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| skibur | what is wayfinder? | 00:02 |
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| skibur | do I need a GPS device? | 00:02 |
| timelyx | skibur: wayfinder is a mapping service vnedor | 00:03 |
| timelyx | s/ne/en/ | 00:03 |
| infobot | timelyx meant: skibur: wayfinder is a mapping service vendor | 00:03 |
| skibur | o ok | 00:03 |
| timelyx | they're responsible for the Map application in os2008 | 00:03 |
| skibur | tahnks | 00:03 |
| skibur | thanks | 00:03 |
| ||cw | skibur: n810 has gps built in, n800 and 770 need a bt gps | 00:03 |
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| dskippy | I am in the scratchbox and the tutorial tells me after installing it to login and type "sb-conf select CHINOOK_X86" | 00:07 |
| dskippy | But I get "sb-conf: No such target: CHINOOK_X86" when I do | 00:07 |
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| CosmicRay | nokia bought wayfinder, right? | 00:10 |
| timelyx | no | 00:10 |
| CosmicRay | hrm. teleatlas then? | 00:10 |
| timelyx | http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1157198 | 00:10 |
| thoughtfix | Oh I just had a FANTASTIC idea | 00:11 |
| timelyx | http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1072677 | 00:12 |
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| timelyx | those are the two purchases i know of | 00:12 |
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| skibur | Anybody know who is working on the Qtopia project on the Nokia Internet Tablet? | 00:16 |
| thoughtfix | Okay get this | 00:17 |
| Robot101 | OS2008 is so awesome, why ever would you want to do that? :P | 00:17 |
| Solarion | hey Robot | 00:18 |
| thoughtfix | I am going to try to hack my N800 into Access Point mode. Then I will configure the Eye-Fi Wifi SD card to use it and FTP photos to the tablet. From there, I'll have scripts to harvest the photos, resize them, and send them to Flickr or something. Think it'd work? | 00:18 |
| timelyx | FINISHED --14:18:27-- | 00:18 |
| timelyx | Downloaded: 313,508 bytes in 139 files | 00:18 |
| Solarion | what's the word on the street about when the n810 codes will go live? | 00:19 |
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| timelyx | Solarion: no one really knows | 00:19 |
| timelyx | but there'll be an annoucement | 00:19 |
| skibur | YEs iT will Work! | 00:19 |
| Solarion | no rumors? No innuendo? | 00:19 |
| skibur | Do it Thoughtfix | 00:19 |
| czr | they're working silently on it Solarion | 00:20 |
| timelyx | hrm | 00:21 |
| timelyx | czr? | 00:21 |
| timelyx | oh | 00:21 |
| czr | timelyx? | 00:21 |
| timelyx | ok, nm | 00:21 |
| czr | object has no symbol information! | 00:21 |
| thoughtfix | Hmm | 00:22 |
| thoughtfix | I can try | 00:22 |
| czr | btw, a friend asked on another channel, does n810/os2008 support wpa tkip? (i.e., the non-aes thingy) | 00:22 |
| czr | wpa2 tkip even | 00:22 |
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| skibur | I don't get it anymore | 00:22 |
| skibur | Why is the N800 at $129? | 00:23 |
| skibur | what is going to happen with the N800? | 00:23 |
| timelyx | skibur: no more production | 00:23 |
| timelyx | they're clearing out inventory | 00:23 |
| skibur | is that it? | 00:23 |
| thoughtfix | timeless: You sure? | 00:24 |
| chandler | who's selling it at $129? | 00:24 |
| timelyx | no | 00:24 |
| skibur | http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3299981/-/Product.html | 00:24 |
| timelyx | but a price like 129 is pretty much how i picked up my audrey | 00:24 |
| jga23 | on the n810 is there any way to programically controll the LED? | 00:25 |
| skibur | DS lite is also $129 | 00:25 |
| chandler | skibur: oh. I assumed $ meant "US Dollars", not GBP | 00:25 |
| timelyx | jga23: sure | 00:25 |
| thoughtfix | I am guessing OS2007 models will be cleared out and replaced with OS2008 models - just how the OS2005 model 770's were cleared out and replaced with a new box/sku OS2006 | 00:25 |
| timelyx | you can control the n800's led too | 00:25 |
| jga23 | timelyx: is it possible with python? | 00:25 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 00:25 | |
| chandler | I saw the N800 dipped to $180 on buy.com this week, but now it's back up to $230 (the same as I bought it at) | 00:26 |
| timelyx | jga23: iirc you can do it w/ dbus or a commandline | 00:26 |
| * skibur pondring | 00:26 | |
| timelyx | so as long as python can do one or the other | 00:26 |
| timelyx | that's not 129 usd | 00:26 |
| timelyx | that's 129 gbp | 00:26 |
| timelyx | which is closer to 260usd | 00:26 |
| * skibur pondering and wondering | 00:26 | |
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| czr | have fun | 00:27 |
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| timelyx | ok, well, my answer was assuming the 130 was usd :) | 00:27 |
| skibur | so 299 gbp is more the 299 us ? | 00:27 |
| czr | skibur, yes | 00:28 |
| czr | pretty much anything is more than usd nowadays | 00:28 |
| skibur | so this is site took the same numbers for the nokia official site and add gbp ? | 00:28 |
| timelyx | czr: useless | 00:28 |
| skibur | making it cost more? | 00:28 |
| timelyx | it's been 2usd to 1gbp for years | 00:28 |
| timelyx | even before the dollar tanked | 00:28 |
| ryoohki | has the nokia n810 been released yet? | 00:28 |
| timelyx | ryoohki: it was released about a month ago :) | 00:29 |
| czr | timelyx, I know :-) | 00:29 |
| timelyx | it's a matter of getting it into stores | 00:29 |
| ryoohki | really? i haven't seen it in the stores in the us yet | 00:29 |
| timelyx | and no one really seems to understand that :) | 00:29 |
| ryoohki | ok | 00:29 |
| czr | all santa's little helpers are busy delivering christmas presents, none can be spared to deliver N810s | 00:29 |
| ryoohki | what's the cheapest it's been had for yet? i've seen it for aorun $400 | 00:30 |
| ryoohki | aorun = around | 00:30 |
| timelyx | 99usd w/ a dev credit? :) | 00:30 |
| czr | laters | 00:30 |
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| ryoohki | a dev credit? | 00:31 |
| ryoohki | i have to do a dev project on maemo.org? | 00:31 |
| ryoohki | then it's $99? is that right? | 00:31 |
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| ryoohki | how do i sign up for $99 for 1 credit n810? | 00:33 |
| kdean06 | timeless, Nokia is actually offering their developers incentives to use and develop on their devices? They're not unwashed pariahs? | 00:33 |
| timelyx | kdean06: nokia has since the 770 days | 00:34 |
| thoughtfix | The developer program has been filled for some time now | 00:34 |
| timelyx | but it is the cheapest you'll find :) | 00:34 |
| timelyx | don't worry, most devs can't convert their credit into devices | 00:34 |
| timelyx | because they can't find anyone who (1) has devices for sale and (2) accepts the credits | 00:34 |
| timelyx | so they get to wait longer :( | 00:35 |
| kdean06 | I won't name names but there are some other comapnies who actually expect their developers to purchase, at full price, the "next" device. | 00:35 |
| kdean06 | The fact that they offer the incentive, even limited, is pretty neat. | 00:35 |
| kdean06 | Anyone know of any US retailers that actually STOCK the n800s or are they all online only? (Immeditate Gratification!) | 00:36 |
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| Tester_ | kdean06: store.nokia.com ? | 00:37 |
| kdean06 | Is there a typo there? | 00:38 |
| ||cw | compusa used to carry them | 00:38 |
| timelyx | Tester_: that'd be online :) | 00:38 |
| thoughtfix | back when compusa ... existed | 00:38 |
| thoughtfix | ;) | 00:38 |
| timelyx | details... | 00:39 |
| Tester_ | nokia offline store if they exist in your world | 00:39 |
| kdean06 | Apparently their ONLINE store doesn't exist anymore. :P | 00:39 |
| kdean06 | Nor does CompUSA (who's site lists the n800 and the n810 for the same price) | 00:40 |
| kdean06 | So it seems Amazon gets my money. :S | 00:40 |
| kdean06 | Now, which website do I like... | 00:40 |
| thoughtfix | CompUSA got sold to a liquidator | 00:42 |
| thoughtfix | meaning EVERY price starts at MSRP | 00:42 |
| timelyx | ? so it's back to 400+? | 00:43 |
| thoughtfix | And then they start discounting it based on ... the phase of the moon or some crap | 00:43 |
| thoughtfix | Every price at CompUSA anyway | 00:43 |
| timelyx | heh | 00:43 |
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| disq | i'm getting md5sum mismatch and size mismatch errors from extras-devel, trying to install canola2 | 00:45 |
| ryoohki | $410 at Provantage in the USA | 00:45 |
| wolf08 | Same here disq | 00:45 |
| wolf08 | If I get it installed correctly and my n800 doesn't wipe my packages, I'll try and set up a temporary apt repo. | 00:46 |
| disq | and it's not a "one click install" if you have to click two different buttons | 00:46 |
| Rocketman | lots of repository trouble... | 00:46 |
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| timelyx | Rocketman: do you need something? :) | 00:47 |
| disq | i just disabled extras-devel repo maybe it'll help | 00:47 |
| Rocketman | Is there no way to add multiple repositories from a single .install file | 00:47 |
| disq | there is with chinook | 00:47 |
| Rocketman | ? | 00:47 |
| timelyx | not for 2007 or earlier | 00:48 |
| timelyx | well | 00:48 |
| disq | then they should make two different install pages | 00:48 |
| timelyx | i suppose if an install file had a .deb that postinst'd a bunch of repos | 00:48 |
| Rocketman | Is anyone seeing an update for the map application as being available? | 00:48 |
| wolf08 | Yuck, that's ugly | 00:48 |
| timelyx | and then postinst tried to install another deb :) | 00:48 |
| disq | Rocketman: i am, didn't try updating yet | 00:49 |
| Rocketman | One shows up for me, but the version info shows same as what is already installed | 00:49 |
| timelyx | heh | 00:49 |
| timelyx | that's not good :) | 00:49 |
| disq | i was getting too much timeout errors with repo.maemo.org earlier, reverted to apt-get | 00:50 |
| timelyx | this is in application manager? | 00:50 |
| Rocketman | odd, to be sure | 00:50 |
| Rocketman | yeah | 00:50 |
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| * timelyx wonders if there's a way to get application manager to explain | 00:50 | |
| Rocketman | when I click the blue i info button it is showing same version number, exactly | 00:50 |
| wolf08 | Yeah, apt-get seems to be a little more relyable | 00:50 |
| timelyx | Rocketman: depends? | 00:51 |
| Rocketman | none listed | 00:51 |
| alterego | I think I'll hold of flashing my N800 until my N810 comes. | 00:51 |
| alterego | I'm happy with OS2008 beta. | 00:51 |
| timelyx | apt-cache showpkg / apt-cache show / ... ? | 00:51 |
| alterego | For now. | 00:51 |
| Rocketman | I just don't want to update if I don't have to | 00:52 |
| Rocketman | as am on a edge connection | 00:52 |
| timelyx | i certainly haven't heard of any plans to update it | 00:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:52 |
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| timelyx | the 2008 50 release of course should have included a newer map app | 00:52 |
| timelyx | possibly enabling some features | 00:52 |
| * timelyx has no idea what it got | 00:52 | |
| Rocketman | So, what do people think of new Canola? | 00:53 |
| Rocketman | I am running the new firmware | 00:53 |
| wolf08 | Once I'm able to download it.... I'd be glad to tell you | 00:53 |
| timelyx | heh | 00:53 |
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| wolf08 | Most of my downloaded files have a size of 199 bytes | 00:55 |
| wolf08 | The rest say failed.... | 00:55 |
| timelyx | iirc 199 bytes is an error message | 00:55 |
| wolf08 | Ahh, yes it is! | 00:55 |
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| wolf08 | "The Service is temporarily unavailable" | 00:56 |
| timelyx | does it have "inconvinience" ? :) | 00:56 |
| wolf08 | Yes | 00:56 |
| timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2609 | 00:56 |
| wolf08 | lol | 00:57 |
| timelyx | even the error messages are buggy :) | 00:57 |
| timelyx | i had >800 copies of that file | 00:57 |
| wolf08 | Did you ever get it installed? | 00:57 |
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| timelyx | get what installed? | 00:57 |
| timelyx | i'm just downloading the repository, 3 files at a time | 00:58 |
| wolf08 | Sorry, I assumed you were trying to get canola2 | 00:58 |
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| timelyx | well, i think 3 files at a time, maybe 5 files at a time | 00:58 |
| wolf08 | I finally got the repo | 00:58 |
| timelyx | which repository is canola in? :) | 00:58 |
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| wolf08 | Well, it has packages in both extras and extras devel I think | 00:58 |
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| wolf08 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free | 00:59 |
| wolf08 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free | 00:59 |
| timelyx | i don't have *anything* from extras/pool yet | 00:59 |
| wolf08 | Those two repos | 00:59 |
| timelyx | and my pool/chinook dir is empty | 00:59 |
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| timelyx | i'm currently getting pool/maemo2.0 :) | 01:00 |
| timelyx | which is of course very useful | 01:00 |
| wolf08 | lol! | 01:00 |
| timelyx | i have some part of extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/ | 01:00 |
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| timelyx | i'm at free/libp which i'd assume isn't so bad | 01:01 |
| timelyx | it's about halfway through, not counting the source/ directory which will probably be devoid of stuff | 01:01 |
| * timelyx tries to remember how the source/ directory works | 01:02 | |
| timelyx | is it a symlink to .. ? | 01:02 |
| timelyx | 15:02:09 (19.10 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 10651. Retrying. | 01:03 |
| timelyx | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content | 01:03 |
| * timelyx grins | 01:03 | |
| timelyx | it's actually quite cool being able to see all these spiffy http codes used in the real world | 01:03 |
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| timelyx | hrm, that's confusing | 01:05 |
| timelyx | why is libecore in free/e/ecore instead of free/libe/libecore ? | 01:05 |
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| wolf08 | Hmm | 01:07 |
| wolf08 | I'm not sure | 01:07 |
| wolf08 | But I'm seeing the same thing! | 01:09 |
| timelyx | am i wrong in thinking that's /odd/ ? | 01:10 |
| timelyx | hrm, i don't have extras-devel/distros/* yet :( | 01:10 |
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| fnordianslip | anyone else seeing excessive "javascript confirmation' doalogs in microb when searching google or posting on itT? | 01:20 |
| fnordianslip | s/doalog/dialog | 01:21 |
| fnordianslip | Do a log ... <snigger> | 01:21 |
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| fnordianslip | in os2008 to be more specific... | 01:26 |
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| theril_ | fnordianslip: Not anymore in the latest | 01:30 |
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| ljp | skibur: i am working on qtopia | 01:31 |
| theril_ | Maemo repositories seem to be quite hosed | 01:31 |
| fnordianslip | oh. k. most broswers ask if you want to be constantly nagged about sending form contents unencrypted, but this one doesn't | 01:32 |
| theril_ | fnordianslip: Yes, I used to be annoyed by it too, but it seems to be fixed in the latest release | 01:33 |
| fnordianslip | not so, for me, unless there's been an update in the last day | 01:33 |
| fnordianslip | never saw it in th beta | 01:33 |
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| theril_ | Weird | 01:34 |
| fnordianslip | indeed | 01:34 |
| theril_ | Are people able to refresh repository.maemo.org -repositories? | 01:34 |
| theril_ | I'm trying to get the new canola, but no luck | 01:35 |
| fnordianslip | kinda | 01:35 |
| fnordianslip | that's a bit ambitious at the mo | 01:35 |
| theril_ | Yea, seems to be | 01:36 |
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| pupnik | the canola guys did an impressive flash page demo | 01:37 |
| pupnik | with a great music choice (pixies) | 01:37 |
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| wolf08 | Yeah, the maemo repos are shot | 01:37 |
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| theril_ | Maemo.org seems to be running on unbelievebly crappy server | 01:40 |
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| wolf08 | Has anyone here successfully installed canola2 using apt-get? | 01:48 |
| k-s | wolf08: why not? | 01:48 |
| maddler | wolf08: I was | 01:51 |
| ccooke | I'm attempting it now... | 01:54 |
| wolf08 | Ok, if anyone sucessfully installs canola2 via apt-get it means that you still have the install files cached. I can host them for others if I'm able to get them. | 01:55 |
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| timelyx | fnordianslip: the dialog title is misleading | 01:59 |
| timelyx | fnordianslip: the prefs for some strange reason get confused, you can try to force the right prefs, either by using about:config or editing ~/.mozilla/microb/prefs.js | 02:00 |
| timelyx | anyway if all you need are the package lists | 02:00 |
| timelyx | i think i have them for most things | 02:00 |
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| timelyx | hrm, nope | 02:01 |
| timelyx | i'm missing a piece, oops :) | 02:01 |
| timelyx | repositories are too deep :) | 02:01 |
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| timelyx | but right now, repository.maemo.org is very responsive, so please don't use it ;-) | 02:02 |
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| fnordianslip | timelyx: thanks. will try that | 02:09 |
| timelyx | fnordianslip: note that you can't edit prefs.js while the browser is running | 02:10 |
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| timelyx | (you can use about:config from the browser) | 02:10 |
| fnordianslip | k | 02:10 |
| timelyx | the browser will wipe out prefs.js when it quits | 02:10 |
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| slapin_nb | do anybody knows if n810 is sold in Finland yet? | 02:16 |
| slapin_nb | (me waits for notification) | 02:16 |
| pupnik | it's sold in germany since about 1 week | 02:18 |
| pupnik | or more | 02:18 |
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| unique311 | mirrors | 02:27 |
| fnordianslip | timelyx: tnx ... editing prefs.js worked for me | 02:27 |
| jumpula | mirrors, mirros, on the net | 02:27 |
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| unique311 | so what exactly is wrong with the repos | 02:28 |
| jumpula | still another day downtime, wanna bet? | 02:28 |
| unique311 | can't seem to install anything | 02:28 |
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| fnordianslip | they were made of chocolate and melted | 02:28 |
| unique311 | anyone in the NYC area want to purchase nokia n800 tablet | 02:29 |
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| timelyx | heh | 02:30 |
| timelyx | i'm mirroring maemo1.1 | 02:30 |
| timelyx | will that help anyone? :) | 02:30 |
| slapin_nb | timeless, sure | 02:31 |
| unique311 | other linux distros have lots of mirrors. | 02:32 |
| unique311 | same should be done for The Maemo | 02:32 |
| timelyx | slapin_nb: do you know what maemo1.1 is? :) | 02:33 |
| wolf08 | Lets just say that chinook is maemo4.0 | 02:33 |
| unique311 | sardine? | 02:33 |
| timelyx | unique311: if you want to build chinook/sardine from sources, i can offer sources for both :) | 02:33 |
| unique311 | no...i just want to install my applications. | 02:34 |
| fnordianslip | big distcc cluster? | 02:34 |
| wolf08 | unique311: we're all in the same position.... nobody can use the repos atm. | 02:35 |
| unique311 | but is it because everyone is trying to dl at the same time...or just screwed up repos? | 02:36 |
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| slapin_nb | timeless, I had maemo1.0 on device | 02:36 |
| timelyx | slapin_nb: wow | 02:36 |
| timelyx | i've only had 1.0 on devices because i wanted to get the original movies :) | 02:36 |
| slapin_nb | timeless, some old stuff but, sometimes useful. not on nokias though. | 02:36 |
| timelyx | ice age iirc | 02:36 |
| slapin_nb | timelyx, oops, last one intended for you | 02:37 |
| slapin_nb | timeless, sorry | 02:37 |
| * timelyx is timeless | 02:37 | |
| slapin_nb | ah, that;s curious... | 02:38 |
| * timelyx is also timely on occasion | 02:39 | |
| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112500&postcount=197 | 02:39 |
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| unique311 | thats funny | 02:39 |
| * timelyx grins | 02:40 | |
| unique311 | ddos | 02:40 |
| unique311 | vacation theory might be valid | 02:41 |
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| unique311 | hmm, wait till midnight....then try to install apps. | 02:46 |
| unique311 | i think i will try that. | 02:46 |
| timelyx | what time zone? | 02:47 |
| unique311 | eastern | 02:47 |
| unique311 | the americas | 02:47 |
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| * timelyx ponders | 02:47 | |
| unique311 | but i'm guessing everyone who just read me saying this might be trying the same thing tonight. | 02:47 |
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| timelyx | in theory, akamai mirroring contnet | 02:48 |
| timelyx | so yeah, you /should/ be competing w/ people in your time zone | 02:48 |
| timelyx | however, i'm not sure that's correct | 02:48 |
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| unique311 | so right now i'm competing with the american nokia owners, and the insomniac overseas owners | 02:50 |
| Luria | sorry to interject, but is there a deb|repo for abiword on chinook? | 02:50 |
| timelyx | it's only 3am | 02:50 |
| timelyx | Luria: ask gronmeyer (topic) | 02:50 |
| unique311 | so around 12 midnight i'll be competing with the overseas nokia owners, and the insomniac american owners | 02:50 |
| unique311 | still screwed | 02:50 |
| timelyx | yeah, it doesn't really get better | 02:50 |
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| unique311 | i'll try on the weekend. | 02:51 |
| unique311 | should empty then. | 02:51 |
| * timelyx rotfl | 02:51 | |
| hugolp | any one has tried mobile mythtv on the new OS2008? | 02:51 |
| hugolp | on N800 | 02:51 |
| timelyx | do you think people are more likely to update from work, or from home? | 02:51 |
| unique311 | home | 02:52 |
| timelyx | which means, weekends should be better or worse? :) | 02:52 |
| unique311 | shit | 02:52 |
| Luria | if they own ITs, both ;-) | 02:52 |
| unique311 | pardon my french | 02:52 |
| * pupnik is jealous of unique311's painting skill | 02:53 | |
| Luria | gah. app manager has taken to crashing like a kennedy. | 02:53 |
| unique311 | i have something i need to upload to the sketchbook | 02:53 |
| pupnik | and you know what's funny and sad? | 02:53 |
| unique311 | i'll let you know when its up. | 02:54 |
| pupnik | you and me found a ton of stuff nobody else found to port | 02:54 |
| pupnik | that's crazy to me | 02:54 |
| pupnik | that was some real fun | 02:54 |
| unique311 | same here | 02:54 |
| unique311 | i really tried at the hildon stuff. | 02:55 |
| unique311 | i read, and read | 02:55 |
| unique311 | im no good at the coding | 02:55 |
| Luria | wow. when did gronmeyer change to look like that! | 02:55 |
| unique311 | i just get headaches. | 02:55 |
| pupnik | yeah but you made pose worthwhile | 02:55 |
| pupnik | you got gimp running | 02:55 |
| unique311 | maybe i influence garnet on the port.. | 02:56 |
| pupnik | and the flash games | 02:56 |
| pupnik | yep | 02:56 |
| pupnik | but the problem is, unless something gets finished and uploaded into one of the main repositories - it just doesn't get attention from most people | 02:57 |
| unique311 | true | 02:57 |
| pupnik | but i think we put some pressure on people to do stuff | 02:58 |
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| unique311 | speaking of which.....wonder how's the hildonization of Faint coming along. | 02:59 |
| timelyx | Luria: did you make /media/mmc1/core-dumps ? | 02:59 |
| timelyx | getting cores for app manager crashing would be nice | 02:59 |
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| Luria | nope. will try and help. | 03:00 |
| Luria | batt low, brb | 03:00 |
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| timelyx | FINISHED --17:10:37-- | 03:12 |
| timelyx | Downloaded: 350,253 bytes in 1153 files | 03:12 |
| * timelyx sighs | 03:12 | |
| timelyx | 340bytes/minute | 03:12 |
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| timelyx | that's not really such a good transfer speed | 03:12 |
| timelyx | or is that second? | 03:13 |
| timelyx | ok, 340bytes/second | 03:13 |
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| shackan | terrific, in 1970 | 03:13 |
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| fnordianslip | but in 1970, where would you store all that data? | 03:16 |
| fnordianslip | on a crt? | 03:16 |
| timelyx | dunno, it's before my time | 03:17 |
| timelyx | i started w/ floppies that if you used both sides could hold 360k | 03:17 |
| timelyx | i.e., what i downloaded | 03:17 |
| fnordianslip | cool for backup then | 03:18 |
| fnordianslip | maybe they're serving from floppy ;-) | 03:19 |
| timelyx | i still like the idea of using tablets w/ gprs to serve the content :) | 03:19 |
| fnordianslip | p2p? | 03:20 |
| shackan | we have bittorrent, we don't have gprs dataplans | 03:20 |
| timelyx | does bittorrent really work for repositories? | 03:20 |
| shackan | oh, I tought you dowloaded the OS image | 03:21 |
| timelyx | nah, i have no use for the os image | 03:21 |
| shackan | so the repos are crippled as well? | 03:21 |
| shackan | sheeesh | 03:22 |
| timelyx | the speed i'm quoting is for the repository | 03:22 |
| timelyx | technically it's 1 of five concurrent streams i had | 03:22 |
| timelyx | but i think they're being serviced fairly evenly | 03:22 |
| shackan | ping your boss to get some real infrastructure, seriously :) | 03:22 |
| timelyx | my boss doesn't care | 03:22 |
| timelyx | browser is on garage, and that works | 03:22 |
| timelyx | besides, i already mirror garage content | 03:23 |
| shackan | his boss, then | 03:23 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/www/index.html | 03:23 |
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| wolf08 | sigh... This situation is really sad. It would be nice to have a torrent.... | 03:25 |
| shackan | we have torrents for os2008 | 03:26 |
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| wolf08 | True | 03:26 |
| wolf08 | And that's how I got my os2008 =P (and of course contributed at least that much upload back) | 03:27 |
| crafton | hi here. here's a question.. why canola is not opensource? Is strange in a floss env. | 03:27 |
| timelyx | crafton: asking here isn't useful | 03:27 |
| timelyx | lots of software for the tablets isn't open source | 03:27 |
| timelyx | map, rhapsody, browser-ui, ... | 03:28 |
| timelyx | it often depends on who wrote the software and why | 03:28 |
| timelyx | and sometimes there may be plans to opensource later | 03:28 |
| crafton | I had confused from today, because the enthusiastic community with canola, always make me think that Canola was floss.... | 03:29 |
| timelyx | komodo is a python based ide most customers use it in open source projects | 03:29 |
| timelyx | and it was built on mozilla | 03:29 |
| timelyx | but it was only recently open sourced | 03:29 |
| crafton | ..and maybe canola in a future would be opened? | 03:30 |
| k-s[AWAY] | crafton: we want to | 03:30 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 03:30 | |
| k-s[AWAY] | crafton: so far we help with lots of free software code | 03:30 |
| timelyx | asking in #canola would be better | 03:30 |
| k-s[AWAY] | crafton: like lightmediascanner, python-efl, fixes to efl... | 03:31 |
| timelyx | asking here is like asking why wordperfect or oracle aren't opensourced in #linux | 03:31 |
| k-s[AWAY] | ehehehe | 03:31 |
| crafton | ok, excuxse me timelyx | 03:31 |
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| timelyx | ok, repository is having serious issues | 03:32 |
| timelyx | it's dropped the last couple of attempts a bunch of my clients made | 03:32 |
| crafton | anyways.. canola seems a great software for the Nokia Tablets... from now... trying to download from repos. | 03:32 |
| timelyx | 17:28:31 (13.08 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 9281. Retrying. | 03:32 |
| timelyx | 17:31:36 (5.55 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 12016. Retrying. | 03:32 |
| timelyx | 17:32:06 (0.00 B/s) - Connection closed at byte 46217. Retrying. | 03:33 |
| timelyx | Length: 46,418 (201 to go) [text/plain] | 03:33 |
| * timelyx needs 201 bytes :o | 03:33 | |
| K`zan | :-) this time next week :-) | 03:33 |
| leonardof | is there any chance of installing the full os2008 inside chinook, to try in my PC? | 03:33 |
| timelyx | armel? | 03:34 |
| wolf08 | timelyx what are you dl/ing now? | 03:34 |
| timelyx | iirc it isn't legal | 03:34 |
| timelyx | wolf08: um... | 03:34 |
| leonardof | oh | 03:34 |
| timelyx | => `repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/n/ncurses/libncursesw5-dbg_5.4-3.osso1_armel.deb' | 03:34 |
| timelyx | => `repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo1.1/free/o/osso-core-config/index.html' | 03:34 |
| timelyx | (try: 6) => `repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo2.0rc22/non-free/binary-i386/Packages' | 03:34 |
| wolf08 | so basically the entire repo? | 03:34 |
| timelyx | (try: 5) => `repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo2.0rc22/non-free/binary-armel/Packages' | 03:35 |
| wolf08 | How are you doing that? | 03:35 |
| timelyx | wget in very small pieces | 03:35 |
| timelyx | but yes | 03:35 |
| wolf08 | manually? | 03:35 |
| timelyx | hrm, | 03:35 |
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| timelyx | oops | 03:35 |
| timelyx | that's bad | 03:35 |
| timelyx | i had 2 clients working the same turf | 03:35 |
| * timelyx wonders how that happened | 03:35 | |
| fnordianslip | timelyx DDOS maemo all by himself? | 03:37 |
| leonardof | Can .install files be used in the sdk?? | 03:37 |
| timelyx | leonardof: well.. kinda | 03:40 |
| timelyx | you're missing a browser typically | 03:40 |
| timelyx | but if you can convince application manager to open them, i'd expect they'd work | 03:40 |
| timelyx | probably also depends on whether you're doing armel or i386 | 03:40 |
| timelyx | if you're doing i386, odds are people didn't make i386 binaries anyway :) | 03:40 |
| leonardof | really | 03:41 |
| shackan | why would anyone make for i386 anyway? | 03:42 |
| timelyx | debugging is easier under i386 | 03:42 |
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| timelyx | hrm, my 770 just rebooted | 03:43 |
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| shackan | did it also greet you with "hello, human!" after boot? | 03:44 |
| timelyx | it's muted | 03:45 |
| timelyx | but the splash is supposed to be a vista logo | 03:45 |
| Mozillar | Are there any irc clients for ITOS07 other than xchat? | 03:45 |
| shackan | Mozillar: pidgin | 03:45 |
| timelyx | /proc/boot_reason = 32wd_to | 03:45 |
| timelyx | not really so interesting | 03:45 |
| shackan | I'm unfamiliar with boot codes | 03:45 |
| timelyx | ooh, nice | 03:46 |
| timelyx | JFFS2 warning: (680) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -240 | 03:46 |
| timelyx | shackan: google :) watchdog timeout | 03:46 |
| timelyx | heh | 03:47 |
| K`zan | Whew, ssh update is missing something but it doesn't appear to keep installed ssh from working... | 03:47 |
| timelyx | Argh. No free space left for GC. nr_erasing_blocks is 0. nr_free_blocks is 0. (erasableempty: yes, erasingempty: yes, erasependingempty: yes) | 03:48 |
| shackan | mmm, ff 3.0 memory usage isn't going through the roof yet, good | 03:48 |
| timelyx | 7mb available on / | 03:49 |
| shackan | N-Gage delayed until 2008 | 03:50 |
| timelyx | that's good | 03:50 |
| fnordianslip | that floppy full noow? | 03:51 |
| timelyx | maybe they'll have time to get it right :) | 03:51 |
| shackan | ha, guys never learn not to announce until it's all done | 03:51 |
| fnordianslip | now | 03:51 |
| shackan | timelyx: have you had any chance to use it? | 03:51 |
| timelyx | yes, it's on my phone right now | 03:51 |
| timelyx | Minimum # players needed (1/2) | 03:51 |
| timelyx | and if you think that text is ok... | 03:51 |
| * timelyx grumbles and goes to write a rant | 03:51 | |
| shackan | well, 1 really is the bare minimum | 03:51 |
| shackan | text what? | 03:52 |
| timelyx | that line Min... | 03:52 |
| shackan | oh, right, I forgot not everyone replaces # with 'number' in his mind yet | 03:52 |
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| timelyx | so what does that mean? | 03:53 |
| timelyx | please read it verbatim | 03:53 |
| timelyx | don't tell me what about spirit/intent | 03:53 |
| timelyx | i've used it, i know those | 03:53 |
| shackan | that you can play either alone or in pair | 03:53 |
| timelyx | good guess | 03:54 |
| timelyx | if i told you, that you were wrong, what would you say? | 03:54 |
| shackan | that they totallly screwed up the wording | 03:54 |
| timelyx | good. | 03:54 |
| timelyx | because it doesn't mean that | 03:54 |
| timelyx | it means there's 1 person now, and you need 2 | 03:54 |
| timelyx | it's been sitting that way for 6+ hours | 03:55 |
| halley | Credits Required (1/2) | 03:55 |
| shackan | hahahahahaha | 03:55 |
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| shackan | awesome | 03:55 |
| shackan | I would have liked some real games on the tablets tough :( | 03:56 |
| shackan | majhong gets boring after a while | 03:56 |
| halley | I'm gettin' there. | 03:56 |
| shackan | where? | 03:56 |
| halley | A real game library. | 03:56 |
| shackan | 3d ? | 03:57 |
| halley | 2.5d currently. | 03:57 |
| timelyx | shackan: from Nokia? | 03:57 |
| shackan | the problem is making a game with just four buttons | 03:57 |
| timelyx | might i suggest crazy parking and Nethack? | 03:57 |
| halley | The library is python and supports full 3d but python is slow on arm. | 03:57 |
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| timelyx | both are quite good | 03:58 |
| shackan | timelyx: eww, nethack? | 03:58 |
| shackan | isn't it that crazy text mode rpg for Real Uber Geeks ? | 03:58 |
| timelyx | the version for tablets is gui | 03:58 |
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| timelyx | usr/share/locale/hr/LC_MESSAGES/tuxpaint.mo user/games/tuxpaint | 04:01 |
| * timelyx frowns | 04:01 | |
| timelyx | tuxpaint is a game? | 04:01 |
| halley | Someone was in #pygame yesterday, very proud of their art effots in a weird military soccer isometric game. | 04:02 |
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| Screaming | Anyone notice that on the latest n800/810 image some very bright guy freed up the caps lock key on the vkbd...Smart move. | 04:03 |
| shackan | really? | 04:03 |
| shackan | I might really reflash | 04:03 |
| timelyx | what's there instead? | 04:03 |
| shackan | the beta | 04:04 |
| Screaming | They could have put in the desparately needed ctrl key. | 04:04 |
| timelyx | presumably they did it to help people transition to the hardware keyboard | 04:04 |
| timelyx | where caps is triggered by tapping shift twice | 04:04 |
| shackan | does the backup tool save installed software too? | 04:04 |
| timelyx | application manager can save debs to the internal mmc | 04:04 |
| timelyx | backup saves the names of repositories and installed packages | 04:05 |
| shackan | that's enough :D | 04:05 |
| timelyx | but when you reflash, it defaults to not enabling some things, esp maemo-extras (?) | 04:05 |
| Screaming | But instead they chose to use it for something you can get to with two clicks on the bbottom button...Not sso smart! | 04:05 |
| timelyx | which means that if you try to restore immediately, things fail | 04:05 |
| shackan | timelyx: but if I restore, doesn't it enable the old repositories again? | 04:05 |
| timelyx | i think it explicitly doesn't enable maemo-extras | 04:06 |
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| timelyx | read marius's posts where he explains the behavior | 04:06 |
| shackan | mm, ok, weird tho | 04:06 |
| timelyx | we're noting it for that reason | 04:07 |
| timelyx | although, i should really make sure it's noted in a bug instead of just blogs and irc :) | 04:07 |
| Screaming | Oh well, I guess I will have to learn a second language so I can use the newly bi-lingual keyboard :o | 04:09 |
| shackan | Nokia already planning PSP-style N-Gage handset, like an n800 with sane keys running symbian? | 04:09 |
| shackan | ops, that should go in quotes | 04:09 |
| timelyx | shackan: if nokia were doing such a thing, either they wouldn't tell us | 04:11 |
| timelyx | or they'd tell us not to say | 04:11 |
| fnordianslip | i hear you screaming. my thoughts exactly. | 04:11 |
| timelyx | Screaming: spanish? | 04:12 |
| shackan | timelyx: just reporting random rumors from teh intarweb, I know your policies | 04:12 |
| * timelyx doesn't like tar | 04:12 | |
| fnordianslip | i preferred capslock. at least i used it. | 04:12 |
| Screaming | Yup. Hardly a bad idea since I live there ;-) | 04:13 |
| crafton | fnordianslip : now, for capslock, i thinks it works with doble-tap | 04:13 |
| crafton | doble-tap on 'Shift' | 04:14 |
| * timelyx ponders | 04:14 | |
| fnordianslip | i'm moaning about what it was replaced with | 04:14 |
| timelyx | ari claims the n810 kept him awake | 04:15 |
| fnordianslip | not that it's gone | 04:15 |
| timelyx | fnordianslip: ctrl would have been much nicer, i wonder if it's hackable | 04:15 |
| shackan | timelyx: singing? | 04:15 |
| fnordianslip | yes indeedy | 04:15 |
| crafton | well. in that case i prefer language switcher | 04:15 |
| * Screaming wonders if we can hijack that key . | 04:16 | |
| fnordianslip | hackability required then | 04:16 |
| halley | With maemo-japanese-support, you get scim-anthy tied to the Chr key on hardware, instead of the lame symbol-finder. | 04:16 |
| fnordianslip | was a post on itt askingg about decompiiling xml files | 04:16 |
| fnordianslip | that seemed related | 04:17 |
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| timelyx | fnordianslip: the xml file spec was supposedly public | 04:17 |
| Screaming | Its supposedly modifyable by some kind of xml file | 04:17 |
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| timelyx | i think you can even find a link to it in the logs for this channel | 04:17 |
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| fnordianslip | hmm | 04:18 |
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| macluvjay | upgraded to os2008 on n800 here and osso-xterm is now black on white | 04:19 |
| timelyx | you can switch that | 04:19 |
| macluvjay | how? | 04:19 |
| penguinbait | magic | 04:19 |
| timelyx | from memory, black on white was the default... | 04:19 |
| Screaming | There is also a perl decompiler to get from the binary junk back to to xml. May not work on this version tho. | 04:20 |
| macluvjay | i made xdefaults but isnt effecting | 04:20 |
| timelyx | tools>settings | 04:20 |
| timelyx | why don't people look through the ui before resorting to evil hackery? | 04:20 |
| macluvjay | damnit | 04:20 |
| timelyx | ooh, cool | 04:20 |
| macluvjay | thank you | 04:20 |
| timelyx | you can reorder the toolbars | 04:20 |
| timelyx | s/s$/ buttons/ | 04:21 |
| penguinbait | I can change the background but ont the text? | 04:21 |
| timelyx | um | 04:21 |
| timelyx | who owns xterm | 04:21 |
| macluvjay | yeah it does seem that way | 04:21 |
| penguinbait | perhaps I should upgrade off the stolen 810 os | 04:21 |
| timelyx | in mine there are 2 color squares | 04:21 |
| penguinbait | or perhaps not :) | 04:21 |
| timelyx | a black one and a white one | 04:21 |
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| penguinbait | mine only has one, but again stolen 810 os on 800? pre-beta | 04:22 |
| timelyx | i'm using something from before the n810 os shipped the first time | 04:22 |
| timelyx | it's missing translations for the dialog elements | 04:23 |
| timelyx | :) | 04:23 |
| penguinbait | yeah I suppose its getting to be time to upgrade | 04:23 |
| timelyx | nah | 04:23 |
| timelyx | upgrade when the repositories work :) | 04:24 |
| penguinbait | KDE runs the same on either :) | 04:24 |
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| jga23 | anybody else's gps on the n810 worse after the upgrade? | 04:25 |
| * timelyx wonders how jga23 defines worse | 04:25 | |
| jga23 | take 20 mins instead of 15 | 04:25 |
| timelyx | heh | 04:25 |
| timelyx | i'd suggest buying a real bt gps :) | 04:26 |
| jga23 | yeah, I have one...but it's annoying to have to carry it around | 04:26 |
| macluvjay | penguinbait: I using the update from here https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=26&release_id=409 | 04:26 |
| macluvjay | only can change the bg | 04:26 |
| * timelyx grumbles | 04:26 | |
| timelyx | can someone test something for me? | 04:27 |
| timelyx | load http://europe.nokia.com/phones/n800 | 04:27 |
| timelyx | click "Nokia wireless GPS Module LD-3w " | 04:27 |
| fnordianslip | change the text colour on the fonts settings page | 04:28 |
| timelyx | http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_350700 | 04:28 |
| timelyx | is the gps i use | 04:28 |
| timelyx | it's pretty good :) | 04:28 |
| timelyx | </shameless-plug> | 04:28 |
| timelyx | <disclaimer employer=nokia/> | 04:29 |
| jga23 | timelyx: how much? | 04:29 |
| wolf08 | timely, what about that site? | 04:29 |
| timelyx | <product used-under=test-promotional-license/> | 04:29 |
| macluvjay | dang, thanks fnordianslip | 04:29 |
| fnordianslip | np | 04:29 |
| timelyx | wolf08: do you get a product page? | 04:29 |
| timelyx | jga23: dunno, it came in the box w/ my n81 :) | 04:29 |
| shackan | timelyx: only a firefox geek could repeatedly speak in xml.... | 04:29 |
| wolf08 | I get a "accessories" page | 04:30 |
| jga23 | timely: no product page, accessories page | 04:30 |
| timelyx | the price i pay is 3 months of monitoring on my primary phone | 04:30 |
| wolf08 | that has the bluetooth headset.. oh.. haha | 04:30 |
| timelyx | glad to see i'm not hallucinating | 04:30 |
| * timelyx sighs | 04:30 | |
| jga23 | timelyx: what do you do for nokia? | 04:30 |
| shackan | timelyx: I could use that, my phone is always silent anyway :D | 04:30 |
| timelyx | i work on the browser | 04:30 |
| wolf08 | the webkit based one? | 04:30 |
| wolf08 | s60 browser? | 04:30 |
| * timelyx presumes shackan was hinting to that effect | 04:30 | |
| timelyx | no, the n800/n810 browser | 04:30 |
| wolf08 | cool | 04:31 |
| jga23 | microb or opera? | 04:31 |
| macluvjay | is it mozilla or opera based? | 04:31 |
| shackan | timelyx: yes I was | 04:31 |
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| macluvjay | mozilla it seems, but I hear talk of an opera one also | 04:31 |
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| timelyx | fwiw, i've played whack-a-mole on the n800/n810 product page before | 04:31 |
| timelyx | sadly, ime most of the links went to error pages last time :( | 04:32 |
| wolf08 | I wonder if we could get a webkit based browser... | 04:32 |
| timelyx | macluvjay: 2008 ships w/ a mozilla based engine | 04:32 |
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| macluvjay | ok | 04:32 |
| timelyx | wolf08: the embedding api is open | 04:32 |
| timelyx | you're free to do what you like | 04:32 |
| wolf08 | interesting... | 04:32 |
| timelyx | i know someone looked and wasn't impressed by webkit | 04:33 |
| wolf08 | I wonder what the prospect of qt4.4 on maemo is | 04:33 |
| timelyx | and yes, before mozilla, nokia shipped opera | 04:33 |
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| timelyx | wolf08: it doesn't make sense | 04:33 |
| timelyx | maemo picked gtk | 04:33 |
| wolf08 | I do know that | 04:33 |
| * shackan cries | 04:33 | |
| timelyx | running qt4.4 on the kernel that runs on the device is certainly possible | 04:33 |
| jga23 | has anybody been able to download canola? | 04:34 |
| timelyx | but you're better served by qtopia | 04:34 |
| shackan | as I expected, boost isn't in the repos, this will be a LOOOOOONG night of sweat and blood... | 04:34 |
| wolf08 | Hmm, ok | 04:34 |
| shackan | just like every time I try to build anything | 04:34 |
| timelyx | jga23: i have install files for canola :) - no debs ;-) | 04:34 |
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| macluvjay | jga23: no canola2 for me either | 04:35 |
| macluvjay | gets about 50% through dl and fails | 04:36 |
| timelyx | hrm, repository is starting to be responsive | 04:36 |
| jga23 | same here | 04:36 |
| |R | uhm, did anybody manage to get a sandisk 8GB microSD working on the 810 ? | 04:36 |
| jga23 | anybody play quake on the n810? | 04:38 |
| |R | yep | 04:38 |
| jga23 | how is it? | 04:38 |
| jga23 | worth getting? | 04:38 |
| |R | oh wait n810... that translated to n800+2008 ;) | 04:38 |
| |R | but it's going to be the same... | 04:38 |
| |R | so, well, i guess :) | 04:38 |
| thoughtfix | Hello | 04:38 |
| |R | hi | 04:38 |
| * thoughtfix wanders bak | 04:38 | |
| jga23 | choppy at all? | 04:38 |
| |R | jga23 : in 400x240 it's quite smooth | 04:38 |
| * thoughtfix wanders back | 04:39 | |
| |R | in 800x480 it's a bit choppy | 04:39 |
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| jga23 | |R: thanks, I'll give it a shot | 04:39 |
| |R | :) | 04:39 |
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| * |R can't get canola2 from the repository... | 04:39 | |
| thoughtfix | I don't think anyone can | 04:40 |
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| thoughtfix | I have been hearing "broken canola repository" all day | 04:40 |
| |R | hehe i know, i've been trying all day :P | 04:40 |
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| |R | but it's acting really weird | 04:40 |
| macluvjay | thank you all i should spend more time im here | 04:40 |
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| thoughtfix | Gets a while at very slow speeds, then errors out saying it's corrupt? | 04:41 |
| |R | size mismatch in apt-get | 04:41 |
| timelyx | i'd suggest using wget | 04:41 |
| |R | even with --fix-missing | 04:41 |
| timelyx | it's able to resume from this server | 04:41 |
| |R | good idea :) | 04:41 |
| timelyx | but you'll have to get all the individual dependencies yourself | 04:41 |
| |R | yeah, that 10 lines of dep ;) | 04:42 |
| jga23 | anybody gotten an irc client (xchat or whatever) to work on 2008? | 04:42 |
| * |R trying a last time... but i don't get why it keeps re-getting libeet0 etc as it should continue | 04:43 | |
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| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/eet/ | 04:43 |
| timelyx | that file i have | 04:43 |
| timelyx | just grab it from there | 04:43 |
| |R | jga23 : irssi? | 04:44 |
| jga23 | |R: never heard of that one...I'll try it | 04:45 |
| |R | jga23 : it's console based though | 04:45 |
| |R | jga23 : or else, just try irc in pidgin? | 04:45 |
| * |R ssh back home for irc though :) | 04:45 | |
| |R | timelyx : thanks, but it's not only eet0 that seems to be the problem... apt is acting weirdly :) | 04:46 |
| timelyx | that's the only eet i have at this time | 04:46 |
| |R | (and i had my n800/2008final reboot weirdly just running one microb and a terminal earlier...) | 04:46 |
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| |R | some out of memory reboot or something... 2008 does seem more memory hungry | 04:47 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/3.0/install/libeet0.install | 04:47 |
| magicrobotmonkey | is this the right place to ask if the on screen finger keyboard is supposed to be different then the onscreen stylus keyboard? | 04:47 |
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| |R | magicrobotmonkey : yes? | 04:47 |
| |R | finger is supposed to be full screen | 04:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ahh | 04:48 |
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| |R | http://www.mobilegazette.com/handsets/nokia/nokia-n810/nokia-n810-2.jpg | 04:48 |
| |R | like the bottom image | 04:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i have it checked off in the settings, but cant get it to come up for the life of me | 04:48 |
| timelyx | use your thumb | 04:48 |
| |R | try the middle button of the d-pad | 04:48 |
| timelyx | spread pressure out across your thumb | 04:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | im on the n810 | 04:49 |
| timelyx | oh | 04:49 |
| fnordianslip | xchat on n800 2008 here | 04:49 |
| timelyx | you need to enable stylus input methods on the n810 | 04:49 |
| timelyx | at least, for some keyboards | 04:49 |
| timelyx | otherwise, you don't get much :) | 04:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | oh it doesnt have the finger one onscreen at all? | 04:49 |
| timelyx | they all exist | 04:50 |
| timelyx | but some won't trigger by default | 04:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | hmm ok | 04:50 |
| * timelyx can't remember which | 04:50 | |
| magicrobotmonkey | so whats the deal with the big update? | 04:50 |
| timelyx | yeah, settings>control panel>text input settings> | 04:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | right | 04:51 |
| timelyx | on-screen>Enable stylus input methods: [x] | 04:51 |
| timelyx | ok... | 04:51 |
| magicrobotmonkey | if i uncheck stylus and check finger, i cant get a keyboard onscreen | 04:51 |
| timelyx | w/o that, i can't get either keyboard | 04:51 |
| magicrobotmonkey | with stylus checked i get the little one | 04:51 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ahh | 04:51 |
| magicrobotmonkey | no matter how much i fat finger it, i only ever get the stylus one | 04:53 |
| |R | i had the same thing | 04:54 |
| timelyx | Launch finger keyboard with finger tap: [x] | 04:54 |
| |R | i just switched to clicking the middle d-pad | 04:54 |
| timelyx | is that checked? | 04:54 |
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| |R | because even when it worked in 2007, it was a pain for it to recognize my (it seems not so) fat fingers :P | 04:54 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea got them both checked | 04:55 |
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| timelyx | hrm, now i can't get it to work either | 04:56 |
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| timelyx | i'll try to complain today(friday) in a few hours | 04:56 |
| magicrobotmonkey | heh | 04:57 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | well i havent flashed to the newer version yet | 04:57 |
| timelyx | keep in mind, some people take vacations | 04:58 |
| skrylar_ | Aww, I almost got excited there. | 04:58 |
| timelyx | i'm using a pre release | 04:58 |
| skrylar_ | I got to the EULA screen and then the server went back to bogs :( | 04:58 |
| timelyx | i think i probably had more success w/ newer versions | 04:58 |
| magicrobotmonkey | would this slowness make fmradio not install? | 05:00 |
| skrylar_ | mebbeh I should just put my n800 back together since I don't think I'll be getting the new OS today either :( | 05:01 |
| timeless | sure | 05:03 |
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| * timelyx sighs | 05:06 | |
| timelyx | my irc client got drunk | 05:07 |
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| Alphinux | I know this is nokia, do you know if there is a Motorola room? | 05:08 |
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| skrylar_ | Holy snap, I have os2008 now \o\ | 05:14 |
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| |R | boo :P | 05:20 |
| |R | (as in the french "boo" not the english "boo"... nevermind ;) | 05:20 |
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| thoughtfix | eek! | 05:22 |
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| skrylar_ | rsync is handy <3 | 05:22 |
| skrylar_ | Seems like it would get unruly if you didn't keep everything up to sync religiously though | 05:22 |
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| thoughtfix | cron jobs :D | 05:24 |
| timelyx | rsync is dangerous | 05:24 |
| wolf08 | does anyone have .debs for python2.5-edbus python2.5-efl-utils | 05:24 |
| wolf08 | that's all I need to finish a canola2 archive. | 05:24 |
| timelyx | if you're unlucky and the server goes bad, you can end up losing everything | 05:24 |
| wolf08 | you might have the .debs if you recently installed canola2 | 05:25 |
| thoughtfix | Hey look I got something to install! | 05:25 |
| thoughtfix | ... "camera" | 05:25 |
| wolf08 | Camera? | 05:26 |
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| thoughtfix | Yeah... Cheesy camera app | 05:26 |
| timelyx | hey's it's from nokia! | 05:26 |
| wolf08 | lol | 05:26 |
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| timelyx | (not the people who made the platform) | 05:26 |
| timelyx | another group | 05:26 |
| wolf08 | oh boy | 05:26 |
| timelyx | but, i bet their repository hasn't melted recently | 05:26 |
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| thoughtfix | Dear Repositories | 05:28 |
| thoughtfix | Plz stop sucking. K. thx. | 05:28 |
| thoughtfix | Love, ThoughtFix | 05:28 |
| [pablo] | the maemo repo's are still down? =/ | 05:28 |
| timelyx | i'm getting ~8M/s | 05:28 |
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| timelyx | so this is the fastest i've had all day | 05:28 |
| thoughtfix | I am referring to canola | 05:28 |
| timelyx | i'm downloading pool/sardine and extras-devel/pool/chinook | 05:29 |
| [pablo] | thoughtfix: so your not doing the show right? | 05:29 |
| timelyx | he blogged a cancel note | 05:29 |
| thoughtfix | That's right. | 05:29 |
| thoughtfix | Are you the pablo I know offline? | 05:29 |
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| [pablo] | yeah I saw it, was just confirming because it had no details, and he showed up | 05:29 |
| [pablo] | thoughtfix: the one and only | 05:30 |
| thoughtfix | Sweet. Can I borrow your N810? ;) | 05:30 |
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| [pablo] | haha for an article? | 05:30 |
| thoughtfix | No. I just miss my review unit. | 05:30 |
| [pablo] | hahaha | 05:30 |
| [pablo] | bite me =P | 05:30 |
| thoughtfix | Would that help? | 05:30 |
| [pablo] | depends on how hard you bite ;] | 05:30 |
| thoughtfix | Dude I was really drunk that night and you swore you would never speak of it | 05:31 |
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| [pablo] | woops, my bad! | 05:32 |
| thoughtfix | I am going to give up on my tablet for the night | 05:33 |
| thoughtfix | Go back to installing ubuntu on my Eee | 05:33 |
| thoughtfix | And playing Mario Galaxy | 05:33 |
| [pablo] | heh | 05:33 |
| skrylar_ | I think my rsync hung up :| | 05:34 |
| [pablo] | thoughtfix: i thought you got rid of your wii? | 05:34 |
| timelyx | skrylar_: which are you rsyncing? | 05:34 |
| skrylar_ | os2008 | 05:34 |
| |R | wtf, my headset doesn't get any sound now in the 2008 final... everything goes through the speakers... did anything change? | 05:34 |
| * timelyx didn't think nokia had an rsync point | 05:34 | |
| thoughtfix | Dude | 05:35 |
| thoughtfix | it's not rsync | 05:35 |
| thoughtfix | It's a CDN | 05:35 |
| |R | Canadian? | 05:36 |
| thoughtfix | Content Distribution Network | 05:36 |
| skrylar_ | I'm rsync'ing from my other computer ;) | 05:36 |
| thoughtfix | oooh | 05:36 |
| skrylar_ | But it looks like it hung up :( | 05:36 |
| skrylar_ | So I ran a splitter on it | 05:36 |
| thoughtfix | Is it well hung? | 05:36 |
| skrylar_ | Though it looks like it's going to jam at 33% no matter what | 05:36 |
| skrylar_ | oh noop, there it goes | 05:37 |
| skrylar_ | the speed is saddening | 05:37 |
| skrylar_ | it goes from 60kb/s to 300kb/s randomly | 05:37 |
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| |R | anybody got his headset working in n800/2008final? | 05:38 |
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| zetheroo | hi there... I am new to the Maemo community .. but not to the Linux one | 05:44 |
| [pablo] | so what exactly is happening to every one else when they try and hit the maemo repo's? I get a bunch of gzip errors, I assume because of an incomplete download | 05:44 |
| wolf08 | Yep | 05:45 |
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| zetheroo | I am thinking of getting the N800 .... but I was wondering if its possible to have the latest OS 2008 installed on it? | 05:45 |
| wolf08 | What's happening is the server is responding with a "sorry, unavaliable" error, and gzip is saying: WTFMATE! | 05:45 |
| [pablo] | wolf08: fantastic =) | 05:46 |
| skrylar_ | hahaha, that time warner business class commercial inadvertently bashes time warner | 05:46 |
| skrylar_ | zetheroo: It can run 2008, yes | 05:46 |
| [pablo] | zetheroo: technically, yes, you can | 05:46 |
| skrylar_ | N800 and N810 isn't a great difference, from what I've seen | 05:47 |
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| zetheroo | skrylar: do I have to buy it? | 05:47 |
| skrylar_ | No | 05:47 |
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| zetheroo | skrylar: so how would one go about installing the newest OS? | 05:47 |
| skrylar_ | You'll have to use the interwebs to find it, or refresh the page 80 times a second to get it to download though :( | 05:47 |
| zetheroo | skrylar: is it possible to sync the N800 with a Linux machine? | 05:48 |
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| skrylar_ | yeah, using rsync | 05:48 |
| zetheroo | I have a Thinkpad T60 with Ubuntu Gutsy | 05:48 |
| skrylar_ | there's a GUI version of rsync for the n800 you can configure, and then you can just run the rsync daemon on your laptop | 05:48 |
| [pablo] | zetheroo: keep in mind rsync is a simple file sync, it won't sync your contacts into the maemo contacts list or anything like that AFAIK | 05:49 |
| zetheroo | oh I see | 05:49 |
| zetheroo | is there a way to do all of that as well? | 05:49 |
| zetheroo | contacts etc? | 05:49 |
| skrylar_ | I don't know that anything does a full sync, save for *maybe* an iSync plugin | 05:49 |
| zetheroo | ok | 05:50 |
| zetheroo | well I can do the contact and bookmarks manually | 05:50 |
| wolf08 | Hey - I know this isn't #canola, but if anyone has python2.5-efl-utils as a .deb for maemo, it's all that I'm missing for a complete mirror of the canola2 libs at http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola | 05:50 |
| skrylar_ | I think there's one gnome project trying to do that kind of sync though | 05:50 |
| zetheroo | as long as I can sync for file transfer | 05:50 |
| qos | wolf08, sure that there aren't some other dependencies missing? | 05:51 |
| zetheroo | do you install apps on the N800 through the internet connection on the unit itself?.... or do you have to install apps through a computer connected to the N800 device? | 05:52 |
| wolf08 | qos: I'm pretty sure that nothing else is missing. I've installed manually with dpkg -i and I'm whittling down the missing libs. | 05:52 |
| qos | how many files are we talking about? | 05:53 |
| skrylar_ | zetheroo: Either one | 05:54 |
| skrylar_ | N800's can download files to internal memory or a card, and then install from there. | 05:54 |
| zetheroo | skrylar: so you have access to the distro's repos on the unit as well? | 05:54 |
| skrylar_ | Through the application manager, yes. | 05:55 |
| skrylar_ | In red-pill mode you can even install some of the less n800 specific linux apps | 05:55 |
| wolf08 | There were 60 libs originally. I was able to batch-get about 40 | 05:55 |
| wolf08 | and then another 15 from another user | 05:55 |
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| wolf08 | so I was hunting for 5 | 05:55 |
| zetheroo | skrylar: sounds good | 05:55 |
| wolf08 | and I'm down to the efl-utils | 05:56 |
| zetheroo | skrylar: I might just get me one... | 05:56 |
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| skrylar_ | Is the macos flasher mirrored anywhere? | 05:59 |
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| skrylar_ | meh, I should go upstairs and just reflash up there instead of copying the file around | 05:59 |
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| qos | wolf08, i checked your files. it seems that there is really just python2.5-efl-util missing | 06:02 |
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| wolf08 | Hmm | 06:03 |
| wolf08 | I definetely just installed it | 06:03 |
| wolf08 | let me check. Did you d/l the tarball? | 06:03 |
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| qos | wolf08, did you get the last one? | 06:08 |
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| wolf08 | Yes I did | 06:08 |
| wolf08 | Quick question - how does one get root access if they can't sudo gainroot (I can, but others can't?) | 06:08 |
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| qos | there is a rootme package somewhere ... but i prefer the --enable-rd-mode | 06:10 |
| wolf08 | That's what I use | 06:10 |
| qos | wolf08, i am now using all your files... and it canola installs like a charm | 06:11 |
| wolf08 | sick, that's what I want to hear! | 06:11 |
| qos | starting up ... | 06:12 |
| qos | using it right now ... | 06:12 |
| wolf08 | It's really smooth =) | 06:12 |
| qos | thanks for your effords ;) | 06:12 |
| [pablo] | wolf08: is the tar file an archive of all the listed files? or is it libraries in addition? | 06:13 |
| wolf08 | It's the libraries needed + canola | 06:14 |
| qos | do you really want to install them all by hand? | 06:14 |
| wolf08 | I did dpkg -i ./* | 06:14 |
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| qos | ok, i moved them in my testing repository on my lan server :) | 06:15 |
| wolf08 | =) | 06:15 |
| wolf08 | I'm going to be going to sleep here in about 10 minutes | 06:16 |
| wolf08 | but I can do anything you want until then. | 06:16 |
| qos | but i can give you the Packages.gz so that others can use your webspace as a temporary repository | 06:16 |
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| wolf08 | http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb | 06:16 |
| wolf08 | There is the gainroot deb | 06:16 |
| wolf08 | Ok, I would love that | 06:16 |
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| qos | wolf08, ever set up an own repository? | 06:17 |
| wolf08 | Yes, once | 06:17 |
| wolf08 | Following directions though.. | 06:18 |
| qos | Which OS do you use? | 06:18 |
| wolf08 | I used ubuntu 7.04 | 06:18 |
| qos | nice | 06:18 |
| wolf08 | My webserver runs centos 4 though.. not my choice | 06:18 |
| wolf08 | but I have a local copy of everything as well | 06:18 |
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| qos_ | re | 06:19 |
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| qos____ | isn't it allowed to send files? | 06:19 |
| wolf08 | =/ | 06:20 |
| wolf08 | you can email them to wolf08 at gmail.com | 06:20 |
| qos____ | ok | 06:20 |
| [pablo] | canola is pretty sick =) | 06:22 |
| wolf08 | qos. I've got very little time left. I'm exhausted and I have exams tomorrow. | 06:23 |
| qos____ | wolf08, its on the way | 06:23 |
| wolf08 | ok =) | 06:23 |
| qos____ | wolf08, i know the problem | 06:23 |
| wolf08 | yeah? | 06:23 |
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| qos____ | wolf08, i was in your position on tuesday | 06:25 |
| wolf08 | hehe | 06:25 |
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| wolf08 | ok I uploaded both Packages.gz and Sources.gz to the directory of the server | 06:29 |
| wolf08 | do I need to do anything else? | 06:29 |
| wolf08 | or is the deb line "deb http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola/ ./"? | 06:29 |
| qos____ | yes | 06:30 |
| K`zan | I knew it wasn't me! | 06:31 |
| qos____ | create the follwing directory structure: /dists/chinook/testing | 06:31 |
| qos____ | mv the both files in it | 06:31 |
| K`zan | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 I screwed up, claims 67, count is 62 and out of those 8 are missing installs. | 06:31 |
| K`zan | Is screwed up. | 06:32 |
| qos____ | then create /chinook/testing | 06:32 |
| qos____ | and move all deb files in it | 06:32 |
| qos____ | that should be all | 06:32 |
| wolf08 | and the deb line? | 06:32 |
| qos____ | rep information should be: http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola/ | 06:33 |
| wolf08 | distribution: chinook | 06:33 |
| K`zan | And "Fresh" means god knows what :). | 06:33 |
| wolf08 | components: testing | 06:33 |
| wolf08 | ? | 06:33 |
| qos____ | dist = chinook | 06:33 |
| qos____ | yeah | 06:34 |
| qos____ | i hope it works :) | 06:34 |
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| qos____ | wolf08, i missed one thing | 06:36 |
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| qos____ | wolf08, the both .gz must go to /dists/chinook/testing/binary-armel/ | 06:36 |
| qos____ | my mistake | 06:37 |
| wolf08 | Ahh, I see this | 06:37 |
| wolf08 | ok | 06:37 |
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| wolf08 | Ok, we're all good | 06:40 |
| wolf08 | Thanks qos | 06:40 |
| qos____ | wolf08, it was a pleasure ^^ | 06:40 |
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| qos____ | wolf08, did you test it? | 06:42 |
| wolf08 | I am | 06:43 |
| wolf08 | Ok, my n800 can grab the repo just fine | 06:43 |
| wolf08 | But do I need to uninstall my canola to install it from the repo? | 06:43 |
| qos____ | i think so... | 06:43 |
| wolf08 | Ok, one sec | 06:43 |
| wolf08 | Alright, I have reports from other users that it's working from the repo | 06:44 |
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| wolf08 | That's good enough for me. Thank you and goodnight | 06:44 |
| qos____ | goodnight | 06:44 |
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| Skrylar | Hmm. Is anyone else saddened by the fact that OS2008's battery life kinda sucks for playing internet radio? | 06:47 |
| Skrylar | For normal IM it reads out that I get an extra hour or two | 06:48 |
| Skrylar | But If I try to make a Gtalk call or listen to web radio, it dumps down to 4 hours on the lowest setting, which is lower than it used to be | 06:48 |
| Skrylar | (lowest setting == lowest brightness) | 06:49 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | Skrylar: Are you using headphones? | 07:02 |
| Skrylar | No, the speakers. | 07:02 |
| Skrylar | News makes me sad :( | 07:04 |
| Skrylar | It's been what, five years? Just now they're going to go ahead and actually try the people in guantanamo. >_> *goes off to do something less depressing* | 07:05 |
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| thoughtfix | Hmm | 07:10 |
| thoughtfix | when I get an N810 back in the house | 07:10 |
| thoughtfix | Should I do a dissection/reassembly video again? | 07:10 |
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| adammelancon | sounds dangerous! | 07:13 |
| |R | man wtf... | 07:14 |
| adammelancon | would hate for you to mess up your N810 | 07:14 |
| |R | after 2nd reboot after a flash i loose my headset for some reasons... | 07:14 |
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| kornblut1 | hello | 07:26 |
| kornblut1 | can anyone answer my question? | 07:27 |
| Skrylar | depends on the question | 07:28 |
| kornblut1 | im begining fiddling with the N800 | 07:28 |
| kornblut1 | and Im a total newb | 07:28 |
| kornblut1 | so if I manage to break the operating system | 07:28 |
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| kornblut1 | I want to know if flashing it will fix it xD | 07:29 |
| Skrylar | If you completely break it you should be able to reflash | 07:29 |
| kornblut1 | is that like a factory reset? | 07:29 |
| kornblut1 | like, everything | 07:29 |
| Skrylar | But I try not to break it so I have no idea | 07:29 |
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| Skrylar | Reflashing? It nukes the entire internal drive and resets it to defaults (basically reinstalls the OS) | 07:29 |
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| kornblut1 | a bit like format c: then ;) | 07:30 |
| kornblut1 | ah good | 07:30 |
| Skrylar | Somewhat, but followed by the installation of linux :P | 07:30 |
| kornblut1 | figured d check before i break it and have to buy another -.- | 07:30 |
| kornblut1 | hehe :) | 07:30 |
| Skrylar | Unless you're cracking open the case itself, you should always be able to un-brick | 07:30 |
| Skrylar | Granted some situations are harder to unbrick from | 07:31 |
| kornblut1 | I read the maemo article on root access | 07:31 |
| kornblut1 | and saw the thing about the broken screen | 07:31 |
| Skrylar | I haven't had a need for root access, to be honest. | 07:32 |
| kornblut1 | and was just a little worried that i could do something permanent | 07:32 |
| kornblut1 | dunno, im just trying to figure out how the machine works so I can tinker with it | 07:33 |
| kornblut1 | I dont know that much about linux | 07:33 |
| Skrylar | Stay out of root if you don't know much about linux :X | 07:33 |
| Skrylar | Pretty hard to screw much up in user mode | 07:34 |
| Skrylar | At the worst, you might bork your settings and you'd just have to reconfigure stuff | 07:34 |
| Skrylar | and really the only way that's going to happen if if you start doing any rm -rf's :P | 07:34 |
| kornblut1 | -.- thats conforting | 07:35 |
| kornblut1 | see i figured i'd get it | 07:35 |
| kornblut1 | got to start somewhere | 07:35 |
| Skrylar | I once deleted the C runtime from my linux computer. | 07:35 |
| Skrylar | Fun times. | 07:35 |
| kornblut1 | im geussing that bad | 07:36 |
| Skrylar | Every single program uses it :P | 07:36 |
| Skrylar | Even the bootloader, apparently. | 07:36 |
| kornblut1 | couldnt you just boot it from another medium and copy a C runtime over | 07:36 |
| Skrylar | I think I installed a new distro | 07:36 |
| Skrylar | That was before I just started using ubuntu for everything | 07:36 |
| kornblut1 | theres one way to do it :) | 07:37 |
| Skrylar | I had heard that linux "never crashed" | 07:37 |
| Skrylar | and used Slackware since one guy I talked to used it | 07:37 |
| Skrylar | Couldn't ever get anything installed right, and what was installed was either ancient or borked | 07:37 |
| Skrylar | The first 3 days of gentoo involved the kernel crashing itself for no discernable reason | 07:37 |
| Skrylar | lol | 07:37 |
| kornblut1 | -.- | 07:38 |
| kornblut1 | i've tried ubuntu | 07:38 |
| thefool_ | It couldn't have anything to do with you bulding it without the correct flags I am sure... | 07:38 |
| kornblut1 | its a very good alternative, but i like my games | 07:38 |
| Skrylar | thefool_: I thought about that, but normally you'd expect the default configuration to work :X | 07:39 |
| thefool_ | LOL, um not with gentoo... | 07:39 |
| thefool_ | what stage install did you do? | 07:39 |
| Skrylar | Oh yeah, Mandrake's sound never worked | 07:39 |
| Skrylar | So that one was of limited use to me XD | 07:39 |
| kornblut1 | hehe, an OS which needs 'fixed' before you can use it | 07:40 |
| Skrylar | Debian, however, was completely painless and everything worked /o/ | 07:40 |
| Skrylar | And Ubuntu is basically the same thing except the console installer was replaced with a LiveCD | 07:40 |
| thefool_ | Gentoo is a compile it yourself for your specific compuer OS | 07:40 |
| Skrylar | that has a GUI installer | 07:40 |
| Skrylar | So it's actually kind of nice since the LiveCD supported my wifi card | 07:40 |
| Skrylar | I could be on IRC 'nstuff during the install | 07:41 |
| Skrylar | thefool_: Did you see the gentoo taunt from debian? | 07:41 |
| thefool_ | no I haven't | 07:41 |
| Skrylar | dpkg spends 8 weeks recompiling *** to find out it runs the same speed as the binaries. | 07:41 |
| Skrylar | or something to that effect | 07:41 |
| thefool_ | I have to admit, I was pretty late jumping onto the Ubuntu bandwagon. I was a bit elitist with my stage 1 gentoo installs and my barebones slackware fluxbox setup. But to be honest ubuntu was just better. Sure it didn't have quite the optimization but it was more than good enough, took much less time to set up, and the important things worked "out of the box" | 07:43 |
| Skrylar | I didn't notice that it was worth it (gentoo) | 07:44 |
| Skrylar | The speed gain was negligible, combined with the excessive need for vigilance in installing Notepad. | 07:44 |
| thefool_ | I still use it on m server, but other than that... | 07:44 |
| Skrylar | "Oh noes, I might've botched that GCC flag. I might have to recompile X11 completely all over again just to use notepad!!" | 07:45 |
| thefool_ | Skrylar: the speed gains depend largely on how well you profile our system | 07:45 |
| Skrylar | FreeBSD does the recomp from source thing as well | 07:45 |
| thefool_ | Skrylar: lol, had that one... | 07:45 |
| Skrylar | except um | 07:45 |
| Skrylar | FreeBSD's works. | 07:45 |
| Skrylar | lol | 07:45 |
| thefool_ | hey now... | 07:46 |
| thefool_ | lol | 07:46 |
| Skrylar | port installs work out of the box, so tweaking it is pretty much just something you do if you really want to. | 07:46 |
| kornblut1 | hmm | 07:46 |
| kornblut1 | i have a gripe | 07:46 |
| Skrylar | I have a grape. | 07:46 |
| thefool_ | Gentoo runs quite nicely on my 486 server...it makes a perfect box to test code on. The way I see it if it does not run "fast enough" on a 486 it is not production quality yet | 07:47 |
| kornblut1 | this is wierd - ive been looking through this root access thing, so some poor git like me goes and gets openssh and the server is automatically configured on the N800. Seeing as you dont set passwords and settings and stuff, in fact, seeing as i didnt have xterm on it theres no options or anything i could set. So without realising it, ive just unwittingly given root acess to anyone who wants to connect to my device | 07:47 |
| Skrylar | And then you.. told a room full of hundreds of people. | 07:48 |
| * kornblut1 looks at his router logs | 07:48 | |
| kornblut1 | :o | 07:48 |
| * Skrylar gives kornblut1 his own spot on the brain crew. | 07:48 | |
| Skrylar | OS2008 comes with an Xterm | 07:48 |
| kornblut1 | kornblut1? | 07:49 |
| Skrylar | But.. I don't think you're running 2008... | 07:49 |
| kornblut1 | damn, i should have stuck with mIRC | 07:49 |
| thefool_ | ok well your first step should most likely be installing a terminal | 07:49 |
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| Skrylar | Or updating to 2008 :D | 07:49 |
| thefool_ | bah | 07:50 |
| Skrylar | Granted | 07:50 |
| Skrylar | I'm not fully sure bout 2008 just yet. Better battery for idling but worse battery for media :( | 07:50 |
| Skrylar | snak: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced/ | 07:50 |
| snak | does 2008 have openssh server running as default? =] | 07:50 |
| Skrylar | Not by default, I don't think. | 07:50 |
| Skrylar | Installable, probably. | 07:50 |
| thefool_ | I would hope so | 07:50 |
| thefool_ | if not though the 2007 binaries should still work | 07:51 |
| snak | Yes, sorry, ive got it now | 07:51 |
| snak | its just it was already running | 07:51 |
| thefool_ | any word on canola2? | 07:51 |
| snak | soo umm | 07:51 |
| snak | how do i turn ssh server off | 07:51 |
| Skrylar | Uninstall it? XD | 07:51 |
| snak | xD | 07:52 |
| Skrylar | thefool_: Imma fraid | 07:52 |
| Skrylar | I tried to install canola but the repository is still being eaten by the bog monster | 07:52 |
| thefool_ | to be honest I don't know normally you would turn it off with /etc/init.d/sshd stop | 07:52 |
| thefool_ | maybe just sshd stop.... | 07:52 |
| Skrylar | you turn it off with fire | 07:53 |
| snak | Ive not had this n800 very long and theres a new OS out -.- is it any good or does it break like all new OS's do | 07:53 |
| thefool_ | Skrylar: bog monster? | 07:53 |
| Skrylar | snak: It's pretty decent so far | 07:53 |
| Skrylar | I think all of the n* devs will be jumping to it since it runs on both 800's and 810's | 07:53 |
| thefool_ | :( my poor 770... | 07:54 |
| Skrylar | :( | 07:54 |
| thefool_ | Skrylar: what did you mean by the repository is being eayen by the bog monster? | 07:54 |
| snak | give the choice between the n800 and n810, i'd have the n800 any day. My sausage fingers cant manage a super small fiddly keyboard - the current onscreen controls are great | 07:54 |
| thefool_ | s/eayen/eaten | 07:55 |
| snak | so, if i want learn how to use or how linux works without reading 50000 lines of source code - any idea where i should go? | 07:56 |
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| thefool_ | how it works is many orders of magnitude more complicated then how to use it | 07:57 |
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| snak | cant be that more complicated than windows | 07:58 |
| Skrylar | thefool_: it's a bit of a joke | 07:58 |
| Skrylar | the servers are [bogged] | 07:58 |
| Skrylar | by a [monster] | 07:58 |
| thefool_ | Skrylar: ah | 07:58 |
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| Skrylar | so it's the [bog monster] | 07:58 |
| snak | im not a total newb when it comes to computers, its just difficult finding advanced stuff | 07:59 |
| thefool_ | I would start by googling for basic linux howtos | 07:59 |
| Skrylar | First off, never run rm -rf / | 08:00 |
| Skrylar | that's bad | 08:00 |
| thefool_ | but I think the best way to learn a OS is the way I learned how to use windows, by trying to do something on it. And when I couldn't do something in an intuitive way search the internet a bit | 08:00 |
| Skrylar | Actually, running any cryptic looking command you don't understand is bad | 08:01 |
| Skrylar | :S | 08:01 |
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| snak | oh, i hear if you put sudo in front of it its ok | 08:02 |
| Skrylar | XD | 08:02 |
| Skrylar | "sudo rm -rf /" gives you cookies! | 08:02 |
| snak | -.- | 08:02 |
| Skrylar | actually it tries to go to the super user and delete your entire system | 08:02 |
| snak | yeah | 08:03 |
| Skrylar | but then you get cookies | 08:03 |
| snak | you mean a slightly crispy n800 | 08:03 |
| Skrylar | sudo doesn't work outside of R&D mode, or does it | 08:03 |
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| snak | how do i try it | 08:04 |
| Skrylar | sudo gainroot <- that's how you get a root shell on the n800, i think | 08:05 |
| snak | it asks me for a password, which - i dont believe i ve set | 08:05 |
| snak | default doesnt work either | 08:06 |
| snak | i thaught gainroot was just like a cheap script | 08:06 |
| Skrylar | gainroot is n800 specific, or so i'd guess | 08:08 |
| Skrylar | Since I've never seen it anywhere else | 08:08 |
| snak | isnt the normal sudo su | 08:09 |
| Skrylar | No | 08:10 |
| Skrylar | su tries to upgrade to the super user | 08:10 |
| Skrylar | and requires the super users' password | 08:10 |
| snak | uuh | 08:10 |
| Skrylar | sudo lets users trusted by root do things as root using their own password | 08:10 |
| Skrylar | sudo is commonly used for single commands, like "sudo make install" so you don't drop to root accidentally | 08:10 |
| Skrylar | though it is possible to "sudo bash" which runs bash as the super user, therefore giving you a root shell | 08:11 |
| snak | uhh | 08:12 |
| snak | the super user is basically root acess | 08:12 |
| Skrylar | yar | 08:12 |
| snak | i tried it but how come the password doesnt work then -.- | 08:12 |
| snak | when i logged in with ssh it worked fine | 08:12 |
| Skrylar | I believe what they say to do, is to log in with ssh and change the password there | 08:13 |
| Skrylar | which can be done with the "passwd" command | 08:13 |
| snak | ah, im not at that bit yet xD | 08:13 |
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| snak | dony you need the original | 08:14 |
| snak | password to set a new one | 08:14 |
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| snak | hey wait | 08:15 |
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| snak | "root user"=="super user"? | 08:15 |
| Skrylar | yes | 08:17 |
| Skrylar | And in unix, no. You don't need the password to change it. | 08:17 |
| Skrylar | Root can change anybodys password without needing it | 08:17 |
| snak | thats handy | 08:17 |
| Skrylar | I think though, normal users have to have the password to change theirs though | 08:17 |
| Skrylar | To keep co-workers from walking by and ninja tricking your login | 08:18 |
| snak | well, the default passwords not working | 08:18 |
| snak | oh right | 08:20 |
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| snak | any way to get the user list on this thing then | 08:22 |
| [pablo] | Skrylar: that is correct | 08:22 |
| [pablo] | and /etc/passwd has a list of all users on the system, keep in mind a lot of services have a user they run as though, so identifying which ones are actually accounts can sometimes be difficult | 08:23 |
| snak | eek | 08:24 |
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| skibur | hello | 08:27 |
| [pablo] | hi | 08:27 |
| snak | nice list [pablo] | 08:27 |
| snak | its a little wierd cause sshd is on there and i uninstalled that | 08:27 |
| [pablo] | it doesn't remove itself as a user when you uninstall it | 08:27 |
| [pablo] | is also doesn't remove any known keys in ~/.ssh | 08:28 |
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| [pablo] | usually config files stay around too | 08:28 |
| snak | oh dear, its like unclean uninstalls from windows all over again | 08:28 |
| [pablo] | anything you are allowed to modify pretty much stays around, for upgrades and such | 08:29 |
| [pablo] | no, it's by design, it's smart | 08:29 |
| snak | umm, how so? | 08:29 |
| [pablo] | nothing worse than writing a 2000 line config file for qmail and installing a new version and getting it over written | 08:29 |
| [pablo] | and they aren't 'user accounts' | 08:30 |
| [pablo] | they are just dummy users | 08:30 |
| [pablo] | so it doesn't have to run as root, but have adequate permissions | 08:30 |
| snak | oh ok | 08:31 |
| [pablo] | only users with traditional 'accounts' are users with a home directory and root | 08:31 |
| [pablo] | unless you get all tricksy with add user, then you can pull it off | 08:31 |
| [pablo] | but then you wouldn't be needing this explained to you =) | 08:31 |
| [pablo] | so no worries | 08:32 |
| snak | erk -.- | 08:33 |
| snak | thanks for the info | 08:33 |
| [pablo] | no problem, always nice to be able to help, most of the time i just feel useless =) | 08:34 |
| snak | hey, so passwd has the encrypted password for the superuser in it | 08:40 |
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| snak | seeing as im reading this and im not the super user, is that not ummm bad | 08:41 |
| [pablo] | sort of | 08:42 |
| [pablo] | as long as you can't change it, your pretty much fine | 08:42 |
| [pablo] | but if you give the wrong person a user account who can read it, they could theoretically take it, go and crack it, and come back in 2 or so years with your password heh | 08:43 |
| snak | woo, owned =) | 08:43 |
| [pablo] | heh | 08:47 |
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| * Skrylar is conflicted. | 08:58 | |
| Skrylar | I found an awesome setting for this game, but it also sucks on account of it's missing something | 08:59 |
| * [pablo] 's dependencies are conflicted | 08:59 | |
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| Skrylar | [pablo]: @ password | 08:59 |
| Skrylar | Hopefully you change your passwords more often than 2 years :P | 08:59 |
| Skrylar | Professionally speaking | 08:59 |
| [pablo] | yes heh | 09:00 |
| Skrylar | Strong passwords sticky taped to monitors is rediculous looking | 09:00 |
| [pablo] | that's why i was saying it's not to big of a deal that the passwd file is readable | 09:00 |
| Skrylar | But it works against chinese hackers | 09:00 |
| Skrylar | :D | 09:00 |
| [pablo] | hahaha | 09:00 |
| snak | xD | 09:00 |
| Skrylar | Even more funny is if you have racist passwords | 09:00 |
| Skrylar | and so chinese hackers look at the crack app | 09:00 |
| [pablo] | as long as a dictionary attack wont work, and your at least 8 characters, you are safe I think | 09:00 |
| Skrylar | and it's bad | 09:00 |
| [pablo] | hahaha | 09:01 |
| Skrylar | "chinksdaml3ddp41nt" | 09:01 |
| Skrylar | Imma stop this train though, since I'm about to offend someone. | 09:01 |
| snak | insert some character that arent even on the keyboard | 09:01 |
| Skrylar | Your password is... | 09:01 |
| Skrylar | Alt+0169 | 09:01 |
| snak | i heat you can do and Alt+number | 09:01 |
| Skrylar | you know that works for DOS? | 09:02 |
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| steri | I have stupid question about password :P I installed openssh for my n800 and I dont know the password for it :D | 09:02 |
| Skrylar | I read that you can hide folders by naming it alt+#### something, and windows will freak out and refuse to open it | 09:02 |
| Skrylar | steri: Welcome to the train | 09:02 |
| Skrylar | To your left is snak who has the same problem | 09:02 |
| snak | really? | 09:02 |
| snak | like i was saying earier | 09:02 |
| steri | that other ssh-server it was rootme but it doesn't work with openssh :( | 09:03 |
| snak | steri probably just did what i did | 09:03 |
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| [pablo] | openssh should ask you for a new root passwd upon installation | 09:03 |
| [pablo] | if it didn't, for whatever reason, just install the gainroot package, and you can then change the password | 09:04 |
| Skrylar | That only works in R&D mode, I thought | 09:04 |
| snak | openssh never asked me | 09:04 |
| [pablo] | gainroot? | 09:05 |
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| snak | i did openssh and logged in using rootme | 09:05 |
| [pablo] | worked for me, and i'm not in R&D mode | 09:05 |
| snak | never asked me to det the pass | 09:05 |
| [pablo] | rootme was default on OS2007, it's not on OS2008, at least as far as I can tell | 09:05 |
| steri | sudo gainroot whines about rd mode :) | 09:05 |
| snak | open the /etc/passwd file =) | 09:05 |
| snak | or something | 09:06 |
| [pablo] | steri: i've never had a problem with it on my n810 | 09:06 |
| steri | bah repositories are still overloaded :( | 09:07 |
| [pablo] | yea =/ | 09:07 |
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| madar | Hello room, is there anyplace faster to pull down the latest for the n810, official link is taking forever | 09:12 |
| [pablo] | there are a few mirrors on it itT forum | 09:13 |
| madar | just seeing the topic line about it | 09:13 |
| madar | I guess I can wait yawn, no fun tonight... | 09:13 |
| [pablo] | the mirrors are pretty fast I hear | 09:14 |
| Skrylar | I downloaded OS2008 in about 5 minutes once I found a place to get it | 09:14 |
| Skrylar | Which is kind of scary oO | 09:14 |
| madar | where to get it Skrylar? | 09:14 |
| madar | can you give me a link | 09:14 |
| Skrylar | I don't think I saved it | 09:15 |
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| [pablo] | you didn't save it? what if you have to reflash again heh | 09:16 |
| Skrylar | Oh, I saved the bin ;) | 09:16 |
| [pablo] | madar: I can DCC it to you | 09:16 |
| madar | DCC? | 09:17 |
| Skrylar | A bunch of people are torrenting the bin file, some are also sending it around IRC | 09:17 |
| madar | I'll look for a torrent then | 09:17 |
| [pablo] | did they finally release a torrent of the n810 version? | 09:17 |
| Skrylar | No idea | 09:17 |
| * Skrylar got the N800 version | 09:17 | |
| [pablo] | yeah there was a mirror of those up after about 2 hours | 09:18 |
| [pablo] | after a failed 8 hour download and about 6 hours of sleep and a completed download, there still wasn't a mirror of the n810 version heh | 09:19 |
| madar | lame, not finding a torrent, I guess this can wait till tomorrow, should have been in bed long ago as it is | 09:19 |
| [pablo] | i started uploading my copy to my server, and had to leave, by the time I got back there were 4 or 5 mirrors already | 09:19 |
| Skrylar | It helps if you can get the nokia site to work long enough to get the name | 09:20 |
| madar | where are these mirrors? I didn't see links to mirrors on the main site | 09:20 |
| Skrylar | then you can just copy & paste the "nblahblahblah.bin" in to google and it'll spot one | 09:20 |
| [pablo] | madar: they are unnoficial mirrors | 09:20 |
| madar | ah | 09:20 |
| [pablo] | nokia doesn't have any mirrors | 09:20 |
| [pablo] | they are listed in the itT forum | 09:20 |
| Skrylar | No Mirrors == Reason for uberlag | 09:21 |
| [pablo] | pretty much, the lack of mirrors is pissing everyone off i'm sure heh | 09:21 |
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| [pablo] | downloads have been unreliable for almost 4 days now | 09:21 |
| [pablo] | including the official unofficial repositories | 09:22 |
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| Skrylar | Off topic but | 09:24 |
| Skrylar | would anyone like to play gmod? :D | 09:24 |
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| |tbb| | who else but me has a n810 and a n800 allready?! | 09:30 |
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| steri | bah, cant find on maemo.org howto update n800 with linux | 09:31 |
| [pablo] | it's in the wiki | 09:33 |
| Skrylar | It didn't look hard | 09:33 |
| steri | yea, just found it :P whining in irc always help to find things | 09:33 |
| timelyx | ... | 09:33 |
| |tbb| | steri:plugin the usb-cable - shutdown the device - push power button while pressing the home button then on linux box do -> ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 09:33 |
| Skrylar | A couple people have even made a GUI for it | 09:33 |
| [pablo] | haha | 09:33 |
| |tbb| | oh u got it allready ;) | 09:34 |
| Skrylar | If it's something complicated, I usually ask in IRC and then hit the docs | 09:34 |
| steri | that nokia site is though jammed also and I cant get the flasher... | 09:35 |
| Skrylar | The only way I got flashed was because I already had the windows flasher tool :S | 09:35 |
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| steri | hmm it doesn't flashm, it stays on "Suitable USB device not found" and dmesg can see the device | 09:45 |
| |tbb| | im terribly dissapointed of the screen of the n810! i hope it is fixed with the upgrade of the latest os2008. I got both devices white doesnt look as white, it has an yellow touch, (beige or so). Could i send the unit back, if it doesnt change after flashing the device with latest os. VERY VERY ANNOYING. But Keyboard writing rocks | 09:45 |
| truent | kb writing hah | 09:45 |
| truent | what a lil girl | 09:45 |
| truent | n800 til i die! | 09:45 |
| truent | jk ;p | 09:45 |
| |tbb| | btw. n800 colors really good with the colors! | 09:46 |
| truent | my fingers will be arthritic by wednesday | 09:46 |
| truent | anyone have ruby installed on os2008? | 09:46 |
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| truent | err anyone else tired of hearing bitching about downloads being slo? | 09:48 |
| truent | heh | 09:48 |
| timelyx | truent: ... | 09:48 |
| truent | enough already, big deal not enough bandwidth.. put the thing down for a few days and say hi to your kids | 09:48 |
| truent | ;p | 09:48 |
| solmumaha | slow is putting it nicely ;) | 09:49 |
| truent | you aint lyin, it took me 2 hours to get a 9mb canola2 install.. and thats while everyone was at work.. i can imagine people are still screwed as we speak | 09:49 |
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| solmumaha | lucky you, i was nowhere near getting it even installed | 09:50 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 09:51 |
| truent | smart people have been avoiding release dates when it comes to repo's for a while now.. this aint much new | 09:51 |
| truent | try getting the new ubuntu every six months on release day | 09:51 |
| truent | sol: have you found it yet? | 09:51 |
| truent | AD-N770, good morning | 09:52 |
| steri | any tips for that "device not found" ? | 09:52 |
| solmumaha | truent: getting ubuntu on release day isn't impossible, they have mirrors | 09:52 |
| astro76 | and torrents | 09:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:53 |
| truent | heh i guess you could classify nokia's deal as impossible.. | 09:53 |
| truent | although an everyday guy who doesnt know how to change repo etc.. is fooked with ubuntu | 09:53 |
| truent | steri, hang on | 09:53 |
| truent | steri, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 09:55 |
| steri | Trying with that | 09:55 |
| truent | theres some troubleshooting stuff on there may be your prob | 09:55 |
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| steri | still not helping :/ | 09:59 |
| truent | yeah thats no good | 09:59 |
| steri | have to wait until I get my windows laptop back | 09:59 |
| truent | # PC: "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" is displayed on the console | 10:00 |
| truent | # N800: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N800 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button | 10:00 |
| truent | youve done that? | 10:00 |
| steri | ofcourse, I have to usb-logo upper right corner | 10:01 |
| truent | hmm ive never had a prob.. im definitely not your guy if that stuff doesnt help | 10:02 |
| truent | but so far i'll letcha know.. os2008 is worth it ;p | 10:02 |
| timelyx | truent: eh? | 10:02 |
| timelyx | the flashing instructions all say *unplug* the charging cable | 10:03 |
| steri | I have os2008 beta allready :P | 10:03 |
| steri | just wanted to install that newest version of it | 10:03 |
| pupnik_ | Fri Dec 21 09:03:12 CET 2007 | 10:03 |
| truent | * N800: Unplug charger and switch off the Nokia N800. Connect the tablet to your computer via USB | 10:03 |
| truent | * PC: Execute as root (or as a normal user with rights to use the USB port): | 10:03 |
| truent | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 10:03 |
| truent | * PC: "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" is displayed on the console | 10:03 |
| truent | * N800: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N800 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button | 10:03 |
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| truent | straight from the wiki | 10:03 |
| truent | steri, gotcha | 10:04 |
| truent | steri, happen to have ruby installed? | 10:04 |
| steri | nope | 10:04 |
| snak | is os2008 still beta? | 10:04 |
| truent | nope | 10:04 |
| snak | does it have snes emulator? | 10:05 |
| [pablo] | ruby maemo is pretty slick | 10:05 |
| truent | i have alterego (i think)'s ruby-maemo but the os2008 didnt install.. the maemo3 stuff did | 10:05 |
| truent | err what he classified as os2008 | 10:06 |
| solmumaha | truent: used the .install? | 10:06 |
| solmumaha | worked fine with me | 10:06 |
| truent | lemme try again | 10:07 |
| truent | er | 10:07 |
| snak | im geussing it doesnt have a snes emulator, in which case, its clearly not finished =) | 10:07 |
| truent | solmumaha, you have irb? | 10:07 |
| truent | snak, heh sorry havent seen it | 10:07 |
| solmumaha | no | 10:07 |
| [pablo] | truent: i used this version ... http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/ | 10:07 |
| truent | [pablo], yeah i got the same thing | 10:07 |
| [pablo] | works fine on os2008 for me | 10:07 |
| truent | it works.. just wondering about some libs.. | 10:08 |
| truent | require 'conic' | 10:08 |
| truent | deprecated now? | 10:08 |
| truent | also my metasploit doesnt work | 10:08 |
| [pablo] | i've only gone through the exmaples, haven't messed around with it much | 10:08 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/snes9x.html snak .. | 10:09 |
| [pablo] | but it uses the hildon library and gtk for UI | 10:09 |
| truent | yeah | 10:09 |
| truent | the ruby-maemo stuff is kew | 10:09 |
| solmumaha | just needs a killer app now | 10:09 |
| snak | pupnik: looking good, is the sound the only problem? | 10:10 |
| solmumaha | and ppl using it to catch bugs | 10:10 |
| pupnik | snak: depending on game, speed is between 5 and 25+ fps on N770 | 10:11 |
| pupnik | -N | 10:11 |
| snak | erk | 10:11 |
| pupnik | for a few demos it's smooth, for most real games - like the RPGs i enjoy - very slow | 10:12 |
| snak | needs optimised huh? | 10:13 |
| snak | theres something i could do over christmas | 10:13 |
| snak | =] | 10:13 |
| pupnik | would be cool. the gp2x emus are much better candidates though | 10:14 |
| truent | do it | 10:15 |
| truent | ;) | 10:15 |
| pupnik | i could help if you have problems with the hardware accelerated pixel doubling | 10:15 |
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| snak | gp2x, never heard of them | 10:15 |
| pupnik | arm9, linux based gaming handheld | 10:15 |
| pupnik | clocks around 250-290 mhz | 10:16 |
| snak | hey wait, didnt the os2008 up the n800 clock to 400mhz | 10:17 |
| [pablo] | yes | 10:17 |
| snak | decent fps on os2008 perhaps | 10:17 |
| kulve | decent fps on what? | 10:18 |
| snak | with snes9x | 10:18 |
| kulve | ah, no comment on that :) | 10:18 |
| snak | although is gp2x works, why not try that | 10:18 |
| kulve | (I didn't read the backlog, just started commenting ;) | 10:19 |
| snak | oh, whats with the fm radio | 10:19 |
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| snak | is the headphones the arial? | 10:20 |
| pupnik | well if you're interested in it, sources and bins are up on the site - should be compatible with any ITOS - just dpkg -i it and start from xterm | 10:20 |
| kulve | snak: the headphones are used as the antenna | 10:21 |
| snak | goes gp2x work? | 10:21 |
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| snak | kulve: im geussing its for the fm radio only | 10:21 |
| pupnik | gp2x is a hardware platform snak | 10:22 |
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| truent | ahh i know why metasploit wont work | 10:22 |
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| truent | forgot to install activerecord and rails etc | 10:22 |
| pupnik | porting apps requires building against more standard linuxy libs, and often swapping their framebuffer code for sdl | 10:22 |
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| snak | oh err right | 10:25 |
| snak | so, what does it do? | 10:25 |
| snak | i dont get it -.- | 10:25 |
| pupnik | gp2x is like a nokia linux tablet except with gaming controls, low res screen, no wifi, no bluetooth etc | 10:27 |
| pupnik | the emu coding community for it has some great talent, who make emus that are 2-6 times faster than stock things like snes9x | 10:28 |
| Knirchmas | pandora looks nice | 10:28 |
| Knirchmas | (community GP2X) | 10:28 |
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| pupnik | for example the playstation emulator i ported gets about 0.7 fps. the optimized emulator on the gp2x gets about 12-15 fps | 10:29 |
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| snak | woot | 10:30 |
| snak | that sounds pretty good | 10:30 |
| Knirchmas | http://pandora.bluwiki.org/ <3 hope they realize it | 10:30 |
| |tbb| | anyone has thoughtfix email addy? | 10:31 |
| pupnik | yeah the main dude wrote a dynamic recompiler for the psx cpu to arm cpu | 10:31 |
| Knirchmas | hahaha, gp2x seems to have an interesting clientel considering the faq lists: Pandora will not have these, please don't ask: 3) Dvorak (as default layout) | 10:31 |
| pupnik | interesting Knirchmas | 10:31 |
| pupnik | thanks for the link - that's what used to be called the 'craiginator' | 10:32 |
| snak | Knirchmas: is this made by a company or hobbyists? | 10:32 |
| pupnik | somewhere in between | 10:33 |
| pupnik | i've been trying to get them interested in maemo for a few months | 10:33 |
| pupnik | gutsy of them to go with the clamshell - but very practical | 10:34 |
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| snak | if you can throw it across the room cause you cant get past level 4 without breaking it, it'll be ideal for me | 10:35 |
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| pupnik | those round dials are dual-analog controls | 10:35 |
| |tbb| | again: anyone around who has a n810 and a n800 allready?! | 10:36 |
| pupnik | plus it has wifi and tv-out | 10:37 |
| snak | tv-out? | 10:38 |
| snak | erk | 10:38 |
| snak | can it do divx? =) | 10:38 |
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| pupnik | of course they'll port mplayer | 10:38 |
| pupnik | dual sd slots | 10:39 |
| snak | i wonder if you can do muliplayer gaming over the wireless without any exra nodes | 10:39 |
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| pupnik | yeah. if they would adopt maemo/ITOS we would get a lot of great emus | 10:40 |
| snak | bring it on | 10:41 |
| snak | i couldnt stand carrying 5 different handhelds wih me | 10:41 |
| pupnik | same | 10:41 |
| steri | anyone have that .deb for canola2? | 10:41 |
| gpd | GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 :( | 10:41 |
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| AD-N770 | pupnik, do you have the final chinook devel env installed? | 10:41 |
| pupnik | no | 10:42 |
| pupnik | i'm not doing anything until my N810 arrives | 10:42 |
| AD-N770 | :) | 10:42 |
| timelyx | truent: metasploit?! | 10:43 |
| gpd | Presumably everyone is getting that problem ^^ due to repository crapness? | 10:43 |
| AD-N770 | I did the port for nethack and the tuner tool, but I wanted to reinstall my sbox and I can't due the repository problems | 10:43 |
| pupnik | oh dear sorry to hear it AD-N770 - you have n800? | 10:43 |
| AD-N770 | yes | 10:43 |
| pupnik | i only have os2006 debs cached and a few 2007 | 10:44 |
| truent | timelyx, ? what about it? | 10:44 |
| |tbb| | i wonder why no1 has ever reportet of the crappy looking screen (white looks little bit beige) of the 810 (instead of a n800). | 10:45 |
| [pablo]_ | the white looks very white on my n810 | 10:46 |
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| |tbb| | do u have a n800 also? | 10:48 |
| snak | problems with 0S2008? | 10:48 |
| truent | wht looks good on my n800 | 10:50 |
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| [pablo]_ | |tbb|: no i dont | 10:50 |
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| |tbb| | truent: i know its looking good, for me also, but when i compared the two devices in dark room on highest brightness level, i cant belive my eyes. the n800 screen looks much better and clearly (color:white)! but i have to say, on the n800 igot the officially (latest) os2008 on the n810 i dont have the latest os | 10:53 |
| |tbb| | i cant belive that will fix it, but hope dies at last. | 10:53 |
| |tbb| | could i send the unit back if im not satisfied with the screen colors? | 10:53 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: Walk outside in bright sunlight. Check the N800 there.. | 10:54 |
| X-Fade_ | The N810 will win for sure... | 10:54 |
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| |tbb| | that might be correct, but im mostly sitting on couch while surfing with the tablet and the colors very annoying! btw the colors (white) wont be better on a well lighten room. white isnt white! | 10:57 |
| |tbb| | x-fade do u have both devices? | 10:57 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: I'm living in Europe, guess what ;) | 10:58 |
| |tbb| | im also living in europe but what should i guess? | 10:59 |
| X-Fade_ | Not for sale here yet.. | 10:59 |
| |tbb| | nokia online shop in germany sells it | 10:59 |
| snak | werent people saying that os2008 is taking forever to download? | 10:59 |
| snak | this is going pretty quickly here | 10:59 |
| |tbb| | where | 11:00 |
| |tbb| | when i hit a nokia salespoint they say they cant order until mid january | 11:00 |
| tigert | snak: so they fixed the web issues then | 11:01 |
| snak | my first attempt | 11:01 |
| Mikho | can anyone access tablets-dev.nokia.com? Is there something wrong with the server? It's awfully slow! | 11:01 |
| snak | from my point of view i see not problems | 11:01 |
| |tbb| | snak: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ive entered my mac and it wont work | 11:01 |
| Mikho | any nokia workers around maybe? | 11:01 |
| Mikho | kick the administrators for me | 11:01 |
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| snak | errrrm, im using the "Nokia Internet Software Update Wizard" | 11:02 |
| X-Fade_ | I think I won't get my N810 this year. I can't imagine that they will enable the codes today.. | 11:02 |
| tigert | Mikho: already done | 11:02 |
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| snak | and the downloads almost done | 11:02 |
| snak | already :) | 11:02 |
| Mikho | tigert, thanks :) | 11:03 |
| snak | give them a pat on the back, downloads working fast here =] | 11:03 |
| snak | |tbb|: that website gives me an erro | 11:05 |
| snak | why not use the wizard? | 11:05 |
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| |tbb| | linux box here | 11:06 |
| snak | error* | 11:06 |
| tigert | because it works on windows only | 11:06 |
| snak | -. | 11:06 |
| snak | -.- | 11:06 |
| Mikho | ok... downloading the 60.1 maemo2.2 image with 12.6KB/sec *snore* | 11:06 |
| Mikho | 60.1MB I mean | 11:06 |
| snak | oh yeah, mines done now :) | 11:07 |
| Mikho | so you're the one who's taking all the bandwidth | 11:07 |
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| Mikho | and both of the connections | 11:07 |
| snak | ooooh yeah | 11:08 |
| |tbb| | snak see pm, btw thanks for the hint i will look for a windows box, its a shame to say something like that but there might be not another chance | 11:08 |
| snak | power to the leechers | 11:08 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11618&page=12 | 11:09 |
| snak | ^_^ | 11:10 |
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| * snak is awed by pretty graphics | 11:11 | |
| pupnik | what pretty graphics | 11:13 |
| snak | OS2008 | 11:13 |
| snak | just updated | 11:13 |
| pupnik | yeah it's interesting how less detail in the icons is 'more cool' in 2007 | 11:14 |
| snak | huh? | 11:15 |
| snak | i was thinking os2008 looks cool# | 11:15 |
| pupnik | the os2006 and 2007 icons were little pictures of stuff, the 2008 icons are more iconic, abstract | 11:15 |
| pupnik | not saying that's bad | 11:16 |
| Mikho | argh, would someone have SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin on the hard disk and willing to put it up for download for just a moment? | 11:16 |
| * snak has a wee look for it | 11:17 | |
| snak | dunno where the updater would have put it | 11:17 |
| snak | hey wait | 11:17 |
| snak | isnt that an old one | 11:17 |
| Mikho | yes | 11:17 |
| snak | nope, not go that | 11:18 |
| Mikho | the latest one for 770 | 11:18 |
| snak | O.o | 11:18 |
| pupnik | Mikho: i'll check | 11:18 |
| snak | isnt the 770 supported for os2008? | 11:18 |
| Mikho | i don't think so | 11:18 |
| pupnik | yes | 11:18 |
| pupnik | it is not | 11:18 |
| Mikho | pupnik, great! | 11:18 |
| pupnik | parse the question properly :P | 11:18 |
| snak | cheeky :p | 11:18 |
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| pupnik | i am going to be a grumpy person til mid-january | 11:20 |
| pupnik | my credit card runs out this year, so i won't even be able to order | 11:20 |
| jeddy3 | what happens in mid-january? :) | 11:20 |
| jeddy3 | aah :) | 11:20 |
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| pupnik | looking at when i'll get a n810 | 11:21 |
| snak | order what? | 11:21 |
| snak | ive only just saved up for a n800 >.< | 11:21 |
| pupnik | enjoy your dual sd slots and better speaker placement | 11:21 |
| L0cutus | someone is using apple wireless keyboard with n8x0 ? | 11:22 |
| snak | whaaa? if you know the 810 is worse, why get it? | 11:22 |
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| L0cutus | what i have to do to pair it with my n800 ?!? | 11:22 |
| L0cutus | i don't know how to enter the pin... | 11:22 |
| |tbb| | pupnik: for me the sound is better on the n810, but the position of the speakers arent | 11:22 |
| pupnik | nice! | 11:23 |
| pupnik | i would really like to test games and emus on omap2420 device and i'm waiting for the developer discount to be activated snak | 11:23 |
| pupnik | the code that was mailed november 9th | 11:24 |
| snak | -.- | 11:25 |
| snak | unlucky | 11:25 |
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| snak | maybe they dont appreciated developers | 11:25 |
| |tbb| | i wonderr what allready been ported coded etc. if the discounts working on november | 11:25 |
| snak | appreciate | 11:25 |
| snak | discounts not activated and dev downloads slow xD | 11:26 |
| snak | i figure that most normal people with use windows and hence the updater | 11:27 |
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| snak | well, i g2g - cheers for the help chaps | 11:30 |
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| pupnik | |tbb|: they sure missed out on using developer excitement for this | 11:31 |
| pupnik | burned right through it | 11:31 |
| Mikho | oh, woe! the download disconnected | 11:36 |
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| * |tbb| just install the new os2008 on the n810 with windows updater, works like charm. Nokia puuuhh! | 11:36 | |
| * Jaffa should do that today. | 11:37 | |
| |tbb| | 9:30 minutes to go | 11:37 |
| steri | geez, maybe it was a bit mistake to upgrade that n800 again :S half of the softwares are missing | 11:37 |
| Mikho | oh, but now it restarted with 5x the speed | 11:38 |
| |tbb| | i wonder how the non geeks are disappointed when they received their n810 and trying to install software with the 1 c(shit)lick installer ;= | 11:39 |
| [pablo]_ | i wans't non geeky, but it was my first experience with an internet tablet | 11:40 |
| [pablo]_ | i was slightly dissapointed | 11:40 |
| [pablo]_ | but knew it would come | 11:40 |
| [pablo]_ | still waiting heh | 11:40 |
| steri | umm O_o why canola2 package size changed frtom 6.8meg to 9.33meg | 11:45 |
| Mikho | how about you share the latest 2008 image with each other? Looks like tablets-dev.nokia.com has something like 100KB/sec total upload limit | 11:46 |
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| |tbb| | how can i install python runtime and canola without needing extra repository of maemo? | 11:47 |
| steri | Mikho: if you need the n800 version of it I can upload it to my server | 11:48 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: You can't. Not without all dependencies, which are also in extras. | 11:48 |
| Mikho | no, I need the 770 version, but no one seems to have that file | 11:48 |
| pupnik | Mikho: still there? | 11:50 |
| |tbb| | some trusted person should mirror the maemo repository (when its available ever again) so we can download the stuff then there | 11:50 |
| Mikho | yes | 11:50 |
| steri | there isn't os2008 for n770? correct me if I'm wrong but that what I have understand | 11:50 |
| pupnik | i have it | 11:50 |
| Mikho | pupnik, could you put it up for download somewhere? | 11:51 |
| pupnik | yes am doing - few minutes | 11:51 |
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| |tbb| | where windows will store the downloaded os2008 bin with the update wizard | 11:53 |
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| pupnik | http://41hz.com/main.aspx?pageID=135 this would be fun to build | 12:00 |
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| steri | ummmmm... now it says unable to install canola2. installation file corrupted :S | 12:05 |
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| |tbb| | got the new os2008 now on my n810 (thanks windows update wizard) but still no really white color on the n810 instead of the n800. on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 is really white like the n800, 1 is yellow) it is 7-8 | 12:09 |
| pupnik | Mikho: pm | 12:11 |
| |tbb| | if nobody confirm this is just normal i will send the unit back. with the complaints (i cant install anything maemo.org doesnt work) latest sentence just kidding | 12:11 |
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| tontsa | you have white as yellow? | 12:14 |
| tontsa | on my n810 white is atleast really white | 12:14 |
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| |tbb| | not really yellow but it has a beige touch, first i was thinking it makes me look like that because of the shiny white keyboard backlight, but after i compared it to n800 im very dissapointed | 12:20 |
| L0cutus | latest os2008 have serious problem with pairing bt devices... | 12:20 |
| maddler | morning all! | 12:20 |
| doc|home | |tbb| check the brightness levels | 12:21 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: It is a different display than N800, so that could be it. The 770 was also more yellow-ish. | 12:21 |
| tontsa | l0cutus, i have no issues atleast | 12:21 |
| tontsa | i don't see "yellow-ishness" atleast on my unit | 12:21 |
| |tbb| | tonsa, could u compare it to a n800 | 12:21 |
| |tbb| | same os | 12:21 |
| tontsa | don't have n800 nearby at the moment | 12:22 |
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| tontsa | but i don't see how you could get the white any more white | 12:22 |
| L0cutus | tontsa, at least with bt keyboards... | 12:23 |
| L0cutus | i've tryed with my stowaway and apple bt | 12:23 |
| X-Fade_ | There isn't any color calibration software for N810 or N800 yet ;) | 12:23 |
| L0cutus | and both have had difficulties to pair | 12:23 |
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| tontsa | L0cutus, ok.. i have just tried phones, gps units and hands-frees | 12:24 |
| tontsa | seems to work ok | 12:24 |
| L0cutus | now i try the gps | 12:24 |
| L0cutus | does work with bt headphones now ? | 12:24 |
| tontsa | atleast pairs, don't have any media to test with if there's any sound | 12:25 |
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| L0cutus | i'm using voip | 12:25 |
| L0cutus | so i can try if it does work | 12:26 |
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| L0cutus | mmm no way | 12:36 |
| L0cutus | my nokia hs-11w doesn't work with voip | 12:36 |
| L0cutus | sound still go to speakers... not to headphone | 12:36 |
| kulve | inz: btw. I didn't (yet) test your xterm but friend of mine told that it works just fine | 12:37 |
| |tbb| | tontsa, could u compare it later for me? highest brightness same os for example the controlpanel screen in a dark room then you will see it significant. in brighter rooms you can see it also but not as good in dark rooms | 12:40 |
| tontsa | that'll go after xmas, not going to office before then | 12:41 |
| |tbb| | x-fade_: if it is screen related than this is one more cons of the disadvantages of n810 instead n800 ;( | 12:41 |
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| |tbb| | tonsa, damn, i have to send it back before doesnt wait this long | 12:42 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: I really can't comment on that, I'd have to see it first ;) You need to compare it with another N810 or somebody else who has both devices.. | 12:43 |
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| |tbb| | yeah but no1 has an internettablet in my near location ;( which i know. the stores also doesnt have a n810 until mid january | 12:46 |
| |tbb| | i would like to ask thoughtfix but dont have his email | 12:47 |
| |tbb| | adress | 12:47 |
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| skrylar | thoughtfix is probably awake. | 12:48 |
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| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: I liked the display of the 770 a lot, until I had a N800 and saw them side by side. ;) | 12:51 |
| skrylar | :) | 12:51 |
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| |tbb| | X-Fade i guess you will like your n800 display more if u will see the display color of the n810. (hope im wrong) | 12:55 |
| skrylar | Are the N810 screens bad? | 12:55 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: You are really the first one I hear complain about it.. | 12:56 |
| |tbb| | not really bad, but the white isnt that white as on n800 | 12:56 |
| * Jaffa thinks it's fine - although I've not done a side-by-side | 12:56 | |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: My LCD on my desk is more yellow than N800, it just has a very 'cold' profile.. | 12:57 |
| |tbb| | x-fade: i hope i will be at least the only one! | 12:57 |
| skrylar | My screen is uglified through the slightly hazy screen protector | 12:59 |
| skrylar | :( | 12:59 |
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| |tbb| | x-fade_ i have tried both screens against the sunlight, the n810 is a way better readable 10-20 percent, but the colors really annoying if i dont had both devices i could live with that but so | 13:11 |
| bedboi | is n810 display better than n800 if exposed to the sun? | 13:11 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: I used the N800 a lot this summer on the beach and it was almost not useable at all. | 13:11 |
| bedboi | n800 is quite difficult to use when under direct sunlight | 13:11 |
| X-Fade_ | bedboi: N810 is a reflective display. | 13:11 |
| X-Fade_ | N95 has that too for example.. | 13:12 |
| bedboi | X-Fade_: so it should be better? | 13:12 |
| X-Fade_ | bedboi: A lot ;) | 13:12 |
| |tbb| | for reading at sunlight, yes! | 13:12 |
| |tbb| | x-fade do u own a n810 allready | 13:13 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: Nope.. | 13:13 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: I already told you that ;) | 13:13 |
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| |tbb| | oh i remember, but u speak like u naturally have one | 13:14 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: No, but I have seen pictures in direct sunlight and have a N95 which also has a reflective display.. | 13:15 |
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| |tbb| | waiting for thougthfix answer, if it is him here in the channel | 13:26 |
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| |tbb| | damn, i havent reflash my n800 if i had known that i cant install anything right now (+ that canola is available ) :( | 13:28 |
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| |tbb| | will a magnet harm the n810 in any way if i put it on the batterycover? | 13:37 |
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| ccooke | |tbb|: there's no magnetic storage in the n810, so it would be safe from that angle, at least. | 13:45 |
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| |tbb| | and the lcd or accu? is that a maybe problem | 13:46 |
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| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: The protective case for N800 added a magnet to the back of the the N800(IIRC), so I don't think it is a problem. | 13:47 |
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| |tbb| | i know that but i think some elektronic geeks should known that for sure. thinking is the one thing ....knowing the other | 13:48 |
| skrylar | the n800 uses flash memory doesn't it? | 13:50 |
| skrylar | Solid state isn't affected by EMP I don't think | 13:50 |
| skrylar | I know ROMs aren't at al | 13:50 |
| |tbb| | i wonder if someone has told nokia to the issue, that no1 could download anything from repros. got an n810 with no installable software is near useless ;( | 13:51 |
| skrylar | The repos cleared up for me, albiet for about 10 minutes :( | 13:51 |
| tontsa | i just installed maemo mapper, no problems | 13:51 |
| skrylar | Be glad Nokia doesn't do online activation | 13:52 |
| Jiten | I managed to install software ... I just had to wait several minutes per package | 13:52 |
| skrylar | Bioshock required a phone-home, and the day it came out they killed the servers XD | 13:52 |
| Jiten | that was yesterday | 13:52 |
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| Jiten | they should make sure they can handle the phoning home if they use it :) | 13:52 |
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| skrylar | They should just not use phone-home because the amount of pirates stopped is far less than the amount of legit users crippled. | 13:53 |
| skrylar | sort of a "stop 1 lose 50" thing | 13:53 |
| Jiten | yes, likely is. | 13:54 |
| Jiten | could also be, stop 1 make 2 more. | 13:54 |
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| skrylar | I saw a list earlier that was some of the theores of stopping global warming | 13:57 |
| skrylar | Interestingly, smog clouds cool the environment down. So we've been inadvertently doing that. | 13:57 |
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| Finnnland | oi | 14:32 |
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| cosmo_ | hm, 2k8 says map is updateable, but updating it fails "software contains updates to packages installed from different source.." | 14:36 |
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| Finnnland | anyone here that developes for maemo? | 14:38 |
| halley | just ask an actual question | 14:38 |
| Finnnland | ah, ok :) | 14:38 |
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| Finnnland | well, i'm trying to poll something with g_timeout_add but it never reaches it unit i close the application | 14:39 |
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| Finnnland | in the code it's the last thing initialized before gtk_main(); | 14:41 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | re | 14:42 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! | 14:43 |
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| * yabbas notes the topic | 14:59 | |
| yabbas | scratchbox 2 - yay or nay? | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | Not tried it yet. Looked good in theory | 15:00 |
| * Jaffa is waiting for more proof | 15:02 | |
| yabbas | same here :) | 15:02 |
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| yabbas | that and the maemo servers to come back to life | 15:02 |
| yabbas | :D | 15:02 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, sticking with OS2008 ...42- until the servers get fixed. | 15:03 |
| guerby | Jaffa, I now wonder if they will ever get fixed | 15:03 |
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| Jaffa | guerby: I'll probably reflash tomorrow and try the servers then. Not got much extra software installed yet on this N810, apart from mplayer (which I'm not really needing ATM), Canola2 beta, XGalaga (which I won't reinstall) and LXDoom. | 15:05 |
| * Solarion wants an n810. :( | 15:05 | |
| Solarion | I had hoped to have it on my flight to and from Seattle, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards anymore. :( | 15:06 |
| cosmo_ | is there way to use small menus on 2008? like on 2007? | 15:06 |
| cosmo_ | it pops up large menus even when tapped with stylus and you have to scroll.. not nice | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | Nope, no way of going back to small menus. | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | Generally I prefer the big ones over the unreliable method for determining big/small in OS2007. But it should be an option for always big/always small. | 15:08 |
| yabbas | big is better for me :) | 15:09 |
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| |tbb| | guerby: thats what i say! | 15:11 |
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| pupnik | reading some reviews of amp6 and it's not bad at all | 15:22 |
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| Jaffa | amp6? | 15:23 |
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| pupnik | Yeah 41hz.com has some new class-d audio amplifiers - high efficiency, great sound | 15:24 |
| pupnik | wb doc|home | 15:24 |
| doc|home | hey pupnik | 15:24 |
| pupnik | so i think i'll build the AMP6-Basic over the holidays | 15:24 |
| pupnik | you catch yesterday's scott horton show doc|home ? | 15:26 |
| doc|home | nah, I can't listen to him, he drives me nut | 15:26 |
| doc|home | *nuts | 15:26 |
| pupnik | ok | 15:28 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDFXaqDf8kk hacking with ramzi | 15:28 |
| doc|home | I'm taking a bit of a break from everything, back home so just catching up with friends :) | 15:28 |
| pupnik | yah good plan | 15:28 |
| doc|home | pupnik: hahaha | 15:29 |
| doc|home | oohh, new update for OS2008 | 15:30 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hNQ280Zkk4 razmi thermites his laptop | 15:32 |
| pupnik | *ramzi | 15:32 |
| yabbas | I want to build a tripath amp for the car | 15:32 |
| pupnik | cool :) | 15:32 |
| pupnik | yabbas - picked a design yet? | 15:32 |
| yabbas | not yet - I'm wondering about the feasability tbh. I don't really understand watts et. al. when it comes to audio | 15:33 |
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| yabbas | all I knows is switching amps are better than the old ones - and I drive a 21 year old Scirocco with a 65Amp alternator so I need all the efficiency I can get :) | 15:34 |
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| yabbas | pupnik, the T-Amp stuff is cheap as chips. But can I power a set of 20cm 170 Watt speakers with them? | 15:37 |
| pupnik | sure check 41hz.com and other sites for schematics | 15:39 |
| guerby | |tbb|, I've just sent an email to maemo-users with Quim Gil in Cc on the repo situation | 15:39 |
| |tbb| | oh thanks, i dont hope u where the first one ;) | 15:39 |
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| |tbb| | if it is fixed in the next 2 hours then you are ;) | 15:40 |
| pupnik | man those scirocco's are small in side | 15:40 |
| * yabbas grins | 15:40 | |
| yabbas | small, old and slow...terrible brakes. I love it. | 15:41 |
| yabbas | guerby, what did quim say re the server situation? | 15:42 |
| cosmo_ | hm, i get lot of "file corrupted" errors when installing stuff like ukmp | 15:43 |
| cosmo_ | and maemo extras package list can't be fully downloaded | 15:43 |
| cosmo_ | most apps install fine | 15:44 |
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| * Jaffa wants to follow up to guerby saying "yet again this is a case of the Maemo team not communicating clearly on maemo-developers. What's this list *for* if not that?!"... but won't, cos I'll wait to see what Quim et al say first | 15:45 | |
| |tbb| | cosmo_ welcome to the club | 15:46 |
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| guerby | yabbas, nothing yet, I just sent the email :) | 15:46 |
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| yabbas | guerby, Oh I misunderstood. Thought you said he'd replied with summat. | 15:47 |
| GNUton | Hi | 15:47 |
| cosmo_ | btw is 2008 mail client still the one that sucks or have they upgraded it? | 15:47 |
| hillct | Good morning all | 15:47 |
| hillct | Did the 2008 beta have an automatic expiry date attached to it? | 15:48 |
| doc|home | hillct: I doubt it, why do you ask? | 15:48 |
| doc|home | hillct: although there is a newer version | 15:48 |
| hugolp | hillct: yes, in the 4th of January any machine with the 2008 Beta will explode | 15:48 |
| hillct | I was on my way to the airport the morning of the 18th and found my N800 wouldn't boot | 15:48 |
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| hillct | I freaked out about it for a while and given my limited connectivity while traveling for the holiday, I only this morning came across the official release info | 15:49 |
| hillct | so I'm downloading it now (extremely S L O W L Y) and hoping my N800 will flash properly | 15:50 |
| hillct | I was really hoping it was an intentional thing | 15:50 |
| X-Fade_ | hillct: It surely wasn't. | 15:50 |
| hillct | that's not confidence inspiring :( | 15:50 |
| X-Fade_ | hillct: Make sure your battery is still charged. | 15:51 |
| X-Fade_ | Before flashing ;) | 15:51 |
| yabbas | Does the issue with the repos come across as "Sub-process gzip returned error code (1)" or is that something different? | 15:51 |
| hillct | I'd thought of that | 15:51 |
| |tbb| | cosmo, i would prefer modest beta its like built-in with sp6 | 15:51 |
| hillct | charged it up all last night | 15:51 |
| hillct | it'll be another 40 minutes before I can get the new image downloaded | 15:52 |
| hillct | we'll see hwo it goes | 15:52 |
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| |tbb| | hillct, if u have a windows box then try to install it there it will save much time | 15:52 |
| hillct | how so? | 15:53 |
| * hillct has a linux box only at the moment | 15:53 | |
| rothiel | Hello World :) | 15:54 |
| guerby | yabbas, that is one of the possible symptoms | 15:55 |
| guerby | of the repo issue | 15:55 |
| dpb_ | rothiel: Sorry to disappoint you, but the whole world doesn't fit in here. | 15:55 |
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| yabbas | I did wonder. Just tried an apt-get clean and apt-get update and 2 of the repos on the failing gzip seemed to disappear. Odd. | 15:56 |
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| sp3000 | I suppose you could get an error page in place of a packages gzip | 15:58 |
| sp3000 | in some cases | 15:58 |
| sp3000 | so it's plausible it could manifest with such an error | 15:59 |
| * yabbas nods | 15:59 | |
| yabbas | I wonder if they host any repos on ftp as well as http... | 16:00 |
| magicrobotmonkey | so is the new version still inattainable? | 16:04 |
| cosmo_ | has anyone managed to get fm radio on 2k8 to work? on my tablet it just plays static on all channels | 16:04 |
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| Disconnect | cosmo_: just to cover the basics, did you plug in headphones? | 16:08 |
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| cosmo_ | no | 16:09 |
| cosmo_ | ok, maybe i should rtfm | 16:09 |
| |tbb| | lol my n810 wont turn off after hitting shutdown, first shutdown after os upgrade ;) | 16:10 |
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| |tbb| | hmmh, ive put the minisd card from the n800 into the n810 and closed the whole thing, but the (dunno the word, call it door) always open itself after 1 second | 16:16 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: probably not got it inserted right then. I found it fiddly since there was quite a bit of play, and the slot is quite far back in the hole | 16:18 |
| |tbb| | ah k, thx. i was thinking closing the thing will push the minisd card in the right order | 16:19 |
| k-s | canola users: | 16:21 |
| k-s | which VIDEO and AUDIO formats are missing? | 16:21 |
| k-s | VIDEO: wmv, more? | 16:21 |
| k-s | AUDIO: wma, wav, ra, more? | 16:22 |
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| killfill | hey guys.. i have install becomeroot | 16:26 |
| killfill | how do i enable root ssh login? | 16:26 |
| killfill | aah nm | 16:27 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 16:45 |
| Andy80 | any news about discount codes activation? | 16:45 |
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| * nomis will wait till the next year now anyway. | 16:45 | |
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| jcayzac | Hi | 16:47 |
| jcayzac | it seems maemo's repository is completely fubar | 16:47 |
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| jcayzac | i submitted the following bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617 | 16:47 |
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| jcayzac | but even if i don't install nokia closed binaries, i get tons of "size mismatch" errors when the install script tries to apt-update | 16:48 |
| jcayzac | (for Chinook) | 16:49 |
| jcayzac | can anyone here confirm this? | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | jcayzac: it's related to the repository brokenness: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531 | 16:50 |
| giskard | Andy80, no | 16:51 |
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| jcayzac | Jaffa: thanks for the link! i noticed the connection was very slow (although i have a 100Mb/s internet connection) as well | 16:52 |
| jcayzac | about 50kB/s :-( | 16:52 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | jcayzac > you are lucky ... i get 2ko/s | 16:55 |
| Khertan_TheReal | on a 20Mb/s | 16:56 |
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| jcayzac | Khertan_TheReal> I would not call myself lucky anyway :) | 16:57 |
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| jcayzac | what's bothering me is that this bug was opened 9 days ago and the problem is still there | 16:58 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | whats with maemo extras repo? | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | repository.maemo.org is screwed | 17:01 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | yea just saw your link, thanks | 17:01 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | someone has already successfully make netword by usb with an n800 and a windows xp ? | 17:10 |
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| bedboi | when extra repository is going to be fixed? | 17:12 |
| Khertan_TheReal | when it ll be | 17:12 |
| bedboi | cool | 17:12 |
| jcayzac | anyone has a running scratchbox + maemo sdk running on a coLinux install on windows? | 17:14 |
| _berto_ | jcayzac: I haven't but if you're looking for a way to run the sdk from windows you can use vmware | 17:15 |
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| jcayzac | _berto_: wmware is a lot more expensive than the free coLinux :) | 17:16 |
| _berto_ | s/vmware/qemu, virtualbox/ | 17:16 |
| infobot | _berto_ meant: jcayzac: I haven't but if you're looking for a way to run the sdk from windows you can use qemu, virtualbox | 17:16 |
| _berto_ | nice bot :) | 17:16 |
| jcayzac | _berto_: i hadn't thought about those! | 17:16 |
| jcayzac | thank you ! | 17:16 |
| _berto_ | in fact I have a qemu image with sdk 2, 3 and 4 installed | 17:17 |
| _berto_ | and it runs nicely :) | 17:17 |
| jcayzac | will try that! thx | 17:19 |
| jcayzac | by any chance, qould you already have a ready to use image available online? :) | 17:19 |
| jcayzac | s/qould/would/ | 17:19 |
| infobot | jcayzac meant: by any chance, would you already have a ready to use image available online? :) | 17:19 |
| Khertan_TheReal | jcayzac > there is a free player for wmware ... which is free | 17:20 |
| bedboi | ah, even canola2 is on repository.maemo.org :) | 17:20 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and which can be use to use the vmware image of the sdk | 17:20 |
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| _berto_ | jcayzac: no, mine is not online, but it's easy to install | 17:21 |
| _berto_ | there's a free vmware player, but I'd go for a free software solution :) | 17:21 |
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| jcayzac | Khertan_TheReal: I suspect the vmware image is on the (broken) repository? :) | 17:21 |
| _berto_ | so virtualbox is probably a good choice, I think that qemu in windows is a bit slow | 17:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | arf ... you are right :) there is one on garage.maemo.org | 17:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but there is a torrent too | 17:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:23 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3902602 | 17:23 |
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| jcayzac | thank you :) | 17:26 |
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| * Disconnect works at a content delivery company.. want 50gbit/sec of cheap content delivery (with temporary-url generation)? :) | 17:27 | |
| jcayzac | btw, i just found this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/19/portable-qemu-persistent-pendrivelinux/ | 17:27 |
| * czr peeks | 17:27 | |
| czr | jcayzac, I removed the duplicate bug setting from 2617 | 17:27 |
| jcayzac | I have just seen | 17:28 |
| jcayzac | i marked it as a duplicate since i thought it was the same problem (slow servers) | 17:28 |
| czr | ah. it isn't. :-) | 17:29 |
| jcayzac | ok then :) | 17:29 |
| czr | it's a "spaghetti monster glue thingy" to fix policy so that source packages are found in the same dirs as the binary packages. applied in a weird way. it causes problems when mirroring. | 17:29 |
| * thoughtfix wanders back | 17:29 | |
| czr | try using wget -R on the dir and you'll see what will happen (just reserve some time, like infinite amount of minutes) | 17:30 |
| FMZ | thoughtfix: Thanks for the mention, man. Thanks to you I'm famous, I have two Hollywood film studios fighting over me, and 7 women want my babies. | 17:34 |
| czr | FMZ, you have babies on sale? | 17:35 |
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| FMZ | czr: Not on sale... they are full price... *badump*psh* | 17:36 |
| thoughtfix | So what is new and exciting here? | 17:36 |
| FMZ | Not much, 'twould seem. | 17:37 |
| FMZ | I think everyone is just hanging out awaiting mplayer's release on OS2008 :) | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | Broken maemo.org infrastructure; no discount codes; nearly time for Christmas; boring work | 17:37 |
| jcayzac | czr: It was bug 2531, not 2351 ! | 17:37 |
| jcayzac | sorry ! | 17:37 |
| czr | jcayzac, np :-) | 17:37 |
| Rocketman | what do you mean awaiting? | 17:37 |
| L0cutus | http://www.webot.com/ | 17:38 |
| L0cutus | wow | 17:38 |
| Rocketman | I been running it for quite a while on 2008 | 17:38 |
| thoughtfix | ... | 17:38 |
| thoughtfix | FMZ: Sweet | 17:38 |
| thoughtfix | I get a cut | 17:38 |
| FMZ | Rocketman: As far as I can tell, it hasn't been compiled for OS2008 yet. | 17:38 |
| db48x | I think I may end up shooting this n800 | 17:38 |
| FMZ | thoughtfix: OK, 10%. And one free baby per year for life. | 17:39 |
| FMZ | Rocketman: How do you have that working? | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | FMZ: It's in extras-devel | 17:39 |
| FMZ | Jaffa: Ahh, awesome. I have to go into Red-Pill mode for that, right? | 17:39 |
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| Rocketman | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1932 | 17:40 |
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| Jaffa | FMZ: No, you just have to add the repository | 17:40 |
| db48x | for some reason, after I use scp a few times my n800 is no longer able to connect to that host | 17:43 |
| * FMZ is proud of himself, as he added the new repo without asking a single question. | 17:43 | |
| hillct | When I installed the newest OpenSSH package after flash of OS2008, I was prompted to set a new root password. Does this mean the new package now incorporates the 'gairnoot' functionality? | 17:43 |
| db48x | but wait another 15 minutes or so and it's able to again | 17:43 |
| thoughtfix | FMZ: Okay but can I get mine by Monday? Christmas dinner and all. | 17:44 |
| wumpus | hillct: yes, you can always become root through ssh | 17:44 |
| hillct | LOL | 17:44 |
| hillct | this is contrary to my pervious observations using OS2008 beta | 17:44 |
| zoran | maemo repos are back, but the content is missing! | 17:44 |
| hillct | whereas what you say was true with OS2007 | 17:44 |
| Rocketman | you should change the password if you run the ssh server on hour tablet | 17:45 |
| FMZ | thoughtfix: I... I.... think I just vomited a little in my mouth. Either that, or I'm salivating. | 17:45 |
| hillct | haven't rrued yet with the new 2008 | 17:45 |
| hillct | Rocketman: yes, of course | 17:45 |
| hillct | I was just commenting on the nw package installation prompting for that change as part if the installation. Impressive... | 17:45 |
| thoughtfix | Dude. I love kids. Especially in a nice marsala wine sauce with mushrooms. | 17:45 |
| Disconnect | hmm. any way to fix the tap rate? | 17:46 |
| thoughtfix | Served over linguini ... mmm | 17:46 |
| Disconnect | single clicks (as fast as i can make them) are coming through 2-4 times | 17:46 |
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| Disconnect | hmm. it stopped. maybe load related :( | 17:46 |
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| hillct | db48x: the likely cause is TCP connection timeouts set too high. Probably on the scp target server. Can you connect to other servers durring that 15 minute period? | 17:47 |
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| db48x | hmm, that's easy enough to check | 17:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | umm.. .whats the home button on the n810? | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | What is it? | 17:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8 | 17:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | says to turn it on while holding home | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | that's not strictly speaking necessary | 17:49 |
| thoughtfix | The one that looks like a house? | 17:50 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | It's the "swap" button | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | thoughtfix: it's not a house on the N810 | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | if you run the flasher first, and only then turn on the nokia | 17:50 |
| db48x | hillct: yes, I can | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | magicrobotmonkey: it's the button on the side immediately above back, below the camera. | 17:50 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | ah ok there it goes | 17:50 |
| thoughtfix | I know | 17:50 |
| thoughtfix | My bad | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | the home key is needed when you turn the nokia on first, it asks it to wait for the flasher to connect instead of just booting | 17:50 |
| thoughtfix | It's the one on the front that's not the escape key | 17:50 |
| hillct | db48x: check the SSHd config on your target server for connection timeout settings | 17:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | wow that was quixk | 17:51 |
| dragorn | I've always avoided the home key problem by having flasher running and looking for devices when I turn it on | 17:51 |
| hillct | dragorn: yeah. same here. The docs I always use explicitly say to start the flasher first | 17:52 |
| hillct | I didn't know the other method was even an option | 17:52 |
| dragorn | me either until recently :P | 17:53 |
| FMZ | Can anyone recommend some podcast tracking software (other than Videocenter, which isn't out for OS2008 yet) | 17:53 |
| db48x | hillct: there are no server settings for timeouts | 17:53 |
| db48x | well, there is ClientAliveInterval, but that applies only to active but idle connections | 17:54 |
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| hillct | db48x: that's what you're dealing with. it sounds like the N800 is not peroperly closing the connections | 17:55 |
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| db48x | no, netstat doesn't show any connections still open | 17:57 |
| aspiers | really stupid question: is there any kind of standby mode on the N810? | 17:58 |
| bedboi | is anyone able to download canola2? | 17:58 |
| db48x | aspiers: the screen turns off when you're not using it, after a configurable timeout | 17:58 |
| db48x | and the cpu frequency is scaled back when nothing much is running | 17:58 |
| aspiers | bedboi: 1 click - doesn't work for me on N810 (OS2008) | 17:58 |
| hillct | db48x: then I don't know. it was esentially a guess anyway | 17:58 |
| Jaffa | aspiers: OS2007 had a "soft poweroff" which turned the screen off immediately, locked the keys etc. And someone's found a suspend-like functionality on OS2008 by poking some stuff in /sys | 17:58 |
| aspiers | db48x: that's what I figured, but was hoping for something more immediate | 17:59 |
| bedboi | aspiers: the problem is the actual downloading, it always time out | 17:59 |
| aspiers | including going into offline mode for power saving | 17:59 |
| db48x | aspiers: what do you mean by immediate? | 17:59 |
| db48x | you can turn the delay down to 0 seconds, as I recall | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | aspiers: set the screen dim timeout and tick "dim screen on lock", then just use the slider to lock & dim screen, making it semi-suspended. | 17:59 |
| db48x | hillct: yea, thanks anyway | 17:59 |
| aspiers | Jaffa: ahah! sounds great | 17:59 |
| hillct | db48x: if you do figure it out, please let me know what it was | 18:00 |
| db48x | hillct: will do | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | aspiers: Control Panel > Display. Set "brightness period" and "switch off display" to the same value, then you can just use the lock switch to blank the screen immediately | 18:00 |
| FMZ | What's the URL to extras-devel? | 18:01 |
| thoughtfix | Hmm | 18:01 |
| thoughtfix | Podcast software? | 18:01 |
| thoughtfix | wget ;) | 18:01 |
| FMZ | http://repository.meamo.org/extras-devel/ is 404ing | 18:01 |
| FMZ | lol thoughtfix | 18:01 |
| FMZ | That doesn't tell me what I've already got and what is new etc... :P | 18:02 |
| aspiers | Jaffa: works great, thanks! still need to remember to go offline first though | 18:02 |
| aspiers | is canola2 available for OS2008? | 18:02 |
| Khertan_TheReal | yes if you can get it :) | 18:02 |
| aspiers | ok :) | 18:02 |
| zoran | btw, what is going on with repositories on maemo.org? | 18:02 |
| thoughtfix | zoran: We're all upset by it and we'd all like to know | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | aspiers: that's what the timeouts are for in Control Panel > Connectivity > Idle times | 18:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hosting a repository with a 770 by a gprs bluetooth enabled phone isn't a good idea | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | zoran: no-one knows and no-one from the Maemo team is talking (or aware of the problem, or cares, or ...) | 18:03 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | the next time i ll wait 2 week at least before to upgrade to the new firmware ... | 18:04 |
| zoran | hm, I messed my system with missing libs after trying to update | 18:04 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol | 18:04 |
| Vulc|Bleh | whats the default root password for OS2008? | 18:04 |
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| Jaffa | The account's locked by default now. | 18:06 |
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| Jaffa | Just install becomeroot, or an SSH package which unlocks it by prompting for a new passowrd | 18:06 |
| maddler | you need to be in R&D mode | 18:06 |
| * aspiers compiled emacs 22.1-gtk inside chinook scratchbox and is hoping to produce a .deb soon | 18:07 | |
| ||cw | Vulc|Bleh: there is no password, so you can't log in until you set one AND enable root login via ssh | 18:07 |
| Vulc|Bleh | And how do I do that? | 18:07 |
| k-s | aspiers: I use emacs myself, but why do you need it inside sb? | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | ||cw: or you install becomeroot, or you enable R&D mode. | 18:08 |
| dhdfoo | aspiers: wow, cool | 18:08 |
| zoran | aspiers, there was a zile version for 2006 | 18:08 |
| ||cw | Jaffa: it prompts? hm | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | Can we be accurate about the number of different mechanisms to get root please? SSH isn't the easiest. | 18:08 |
| ||cw | Vulc|Bleh: any reason that ssh as user then `sudo gainroot` isn't good enough? | 18:08 |
| magicrobotmonkey | are any of the media players daap clients? | 18:08 |
| zoran | sudoers file should be read with big glasses | 18:08 |
| aspiers | k-s: I want it on my N810! | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | aspiers: possible to include in http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ ? | 18:08 |
| Vulc|Bleh | ||cw: I believe gainroot is installed and it is still giving me problems | 18:09 |
| * dhdfoo wants it on his N800 too :) | 18:09 | |
| Vulc|Bleh | I'm going to redownload it now, though | 18:09 |
| aspiers | zoran: yeah but I have a load of elisp I want to run | 18:09 |
| zoran | k | 18:09 |
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| Jaffa | Vulc|Bleh: if becomeroot is installed, `sudo gainroot' will work without any prompting. | 18:09 |
| fnordianslip | ssh as user was ok with public-key, but the account has no password | 18:09 |
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| fnordianslip | however, since upgrading to | 18:09 |
| ||cw | install xterm and set a password | 18:09 |
| fnordianslip | oops.. | 18:09 |
| aspiers | Jaffa: I guess so, I'm new to all this. Built rpms for years but never a .deb before | 18:09 |
| zoran | all those problems are sudo related | 18:09 |
| k-s | aspiers: ah | 18:09 |
| fnordianslip | from beta os2008, my authorized-key doesn't seem to work anymore | 18:10 |
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| corevette | is there a new version of HE out? http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/piega/2007/12/21/mirrors_of_the_latest_nokia_770_hacker_e | 18:12 |
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| FMZ | Ahh, for all other newbies like me... make sure you set "components" to: free non-free | 18:14 |
| Vulc|Bleh | which repo is becomeroot under | 18:15 |
| |tbb| | btw what becomeroot do to gain root access? | 18:15 |
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| LoCusF | what is the command for starting up the browser from commans-line? | 18:16 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: it modifies /usr/sbin/gainroot (IIRC) to not check the R&D flag | 18:17 |
| LoCusF | *command | 18:17 |
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| Disconnect | |tbb|: these days you can just install openssh-server and it'll set a root pw - then you can just ssh in and edit gainroot yourself | 18:18 |
| FMZ | canola2 installation file corrupted.... bugger. | 18:18 |
| Disconnect | ugh. 100% of the apps i'm trying to reinstall "installation file is corrupted" | 18:18 |
| dskippy | Has anyone recently used the maemo-sdk installation script? I'm getting the following lines when I run it. I have been since yesterday so I think it mustbe me now, not the server. | 18:18 |
| dskippy | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? | 18:18 |
| dskippy | E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-dev on CHINOOK_X86 target. | 18:18 |
| Disconnect | dskippy: its the server | 18:19 |
| dskippy | Is it? | 18:19 |
| Disconnect | (ooh. only 95% .. mapdownloader installed) | 18:19 |
| dskippy | Any idea if there's an alternative to getting the packages needed for the SDK? | 18:19 |
| dskippy | Or just simply python2.5-runtime for the device itself would help me a great deal too. | 18:20 |
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| |tbb| | disconnect: these days you cant install anything, like you could before | 18:21 |
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| |tbb| | jaffa: how to change the sbin gainroot without having root access ;) | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | |tbb|: it's a deb, it runs as root when you install it. All the packages are installed as root, otherwise they couldn't be put in /usr/bin/... etc. | 18:27 |
| hillct | WOW! The new updated Gronmayer.com site is really impressive | 18:28 |
| |tbb| | ah k, i understand. | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | So user asks App Mgr to install becomeroot, App Mgr invokes apt-get *as root* to install deb. becomeroot deb's postinst script runs as root and modifies /usr/sbin/gainroot. | 18:28 |
| shackan | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/libf/libffi4/libffi4_4.1.0-1osso1_armel.deb Size mismatch | 18:29 |
| shackan | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python2.5/python2.5_2.5.1-1osso3_armel.deb Size mismatch | 18:29 |
| shackan | mm? | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | hillct: annoyingly it doesn't solve the repository problem - and possibly makes it worse. Finding a solution to congregate things in extras(-devel) will fall off the radar now [although after this week, ...]. You still need all the right repos installed before all a package's dependencies will be resolved properly | 18:29 |
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| hillct | Jaffa: true. To some extent though I feel that's the responsibility of the repo maintainers. That is, a repo maintainer should assume that a user has only the base repo and his, installed, so any package with dependencies should have all those dependencies resolved using other packages from the same repo | 18:32 |
| hillct | at least to my way of thinking anyway | 18:32 |
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| Jaffa | hillct: oh, absolutely. But if repo maintainers cared that much about their users (on the whole), they'd be uploading the packages to extras and suffering the bit of pain that invokes, rather than taking the easy route of providing their own repo. | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | true | 18:33 |
| Jaffa | Of course, in the last few days the brokenness of repository.maemo.org is making me change my mind | 18:33 |
| * mgedmin cares only for himself | 18:33 | |
| Tak | I agree @ uploading to extras | 18:34 |
| Jaffa | It's to be expected: OSS is primarily about scratching your own itch, and the barrier to entry to a new repo is lower than that of uploading to extras. | 18:34 |
| hillct | Jaffa: I can see that line of reasoning too | 18:34 |
| Tak | that said, I've been submitting my ruby packages to alterego's repo so that people don't have to preinstall ruby from a different repo before using them | 18:34 |
| hillct | but perhaps the submission process for maemo extras needs to be streamlined somehow to desuade developers from creating their own repos | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | If alterego's ruby port is going to get any traction it'll need to be in extras. | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | hillct: absolutely agreed 100%. And the stability of its server sorted. | 18:35 |
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| hillct | that too | 18:36 |
| Tak | heh, he's finding the extras barrier a bit hight | 18:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | stop with this extra repository ... | 18:36 |
| Tak | what he really needs for traction is 1 "killer" ruby app | 18:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s mainly down ! | 18:37 |
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| Tak | e.g. if canola2 were in ruby | 18:37 |
| dragorn | tak: and the 1.9 ruby release (if it performs better) | 18:37 |
| hillct | I haven't submitted anyting anywhere (yet) so I don't know how painful it is personally | 18:37 |
| Tak | the 1.8 release performs at least as well as python | 18:37 |
| hillct | anyway, Gotta run. Later all. | 18:37 |
| dragorn | tak: Wow, then python performs really bad :P | 18:37 |
| Tak | yes. yes it does. | 18:37 |
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| dragorn | tak: I'm using the one ruby app I care about - metasploit - as a benchmark | 18:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > when hildon-home binding ll get a good garbage ... i ve many home applet to release :) | 18:38 |
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| dragorn | tak: and having a 50-90 second delay every time a new file has to be parsed is unusable. And this is the CLI version, I'm not even trying to do rails :P | 18:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | bye | 18:38 |
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| dragorn | tak: Not that it's alters fault, ruby 1.8 is pretty horribly ugly about how it does memory stuff which is probably the biggest problem on maemo | 18:38 |
| Tak | dragorn: wow, that's painful - I'm dumping vkbs to xml in like 5s | 18:39 |
| dragorn | but until that gets solved, makes having a killer app pretty hard. 1.9 has some very impressive performance results on intel, I have no idea how it might look like in maemo | 18:39 |
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| dragorn | tak: msf does a lot of string manip, but not in the CLI presentation, so I tend to suspect it isn't the code. For codegen I expect they're very ugly, but I don't even get to that point | 18:39 |
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| Spakman_ | dragorn: what memory stuff do you particularly dislike with Ruby on Maemo? | 18:40 |
| Tak | incidentally, adding another 64M swap really improved the performance of my 770 | 18:41 |
| dragorn | Spakman_: Ruby in general does some weird things with how it concats strings, etc, which I suspect is the biggest problem on maemo, since you're doing a lot of memory/bus thrashing | 18:41 |
| _z_ | folks, after having a problem with repos, I cannot make libutis to run cause glibc_2.4 | 18:41 |
| dragorn | Spakman_: But it's been a long time since i've looked into it more, I'm just kind of hoping 1.9 acts better :) | 18:41 |
| Spakman_ | dragorn: me too. Hopefully not long 'till we find out | 18:42 |
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| dragorn | Spakman_: if I recall, adding a char to a string is a second full malloc, mem copy, free, alloc, memcpy back. Something similar to how java handles non-literal strings. It's been a while, like I said. I'm not 100% on the maemo specifics, but embedded stuff often shows sharp performance drops when you're thrashing the memory. | 18:44 |
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| mgedmin | wtf is repository.maemo.org doing? | 18:44 |
| FMZ | I'm seeing people talking about Canola2... it's pretty, but... function is less than great right now. | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | it returns a strange plain-text file instead of .debs | 18:44 |
| FMZ | I can't even seem to download podcasts for later listening. | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | not an error message, just a weird one containing "$filename:\n\n*** Contents" | 18:45 |
| dragorn | speaking of, does anyone know how to get mplayer to behave sanely on startup? gmplayer seems to be indexing all of my drives, resulting in a 90 second startup - it's definitely thrashing the flash, I can see the kernel threads wake up. Or is that just price of admission, get faster flash? | 18:45 |
| _z_ | mgedmin, is it possible to mess glibc via repo update? | 18:46 |
| dragorn | yes, probably. if you've r&d'd your device, you're not going to want to update packages like busybox or glibc | 18:47 |
| _z_ | I did not | 18:47 |
| _z_ | after failing update ofvrepos, /lib/libutils is missing glibc_2.4 | 18:48 |
| dragorn | then you've probably got something which is a borked package that doesn't handle os2008 yet - i've seen a lot of things with weird hildon or syslib deps which aren't valid in os2008 | 18:48 |
| _z_ | 2006 | 18:48 |
| dragorn | or it's some other issue, that's my guess tho | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | _z_: maybe, could you be more specific? | 18:48 |
| b0unc3_ | guys... why http://downloads.maemo.org/OS2007/desktop-environment/ said that wizard-mounter have 3 votes.. but I can't see no one..? | 18:48 |
| _z_ | k, using pythonscripts and socat, I use libutils | 18:49 |
| _z_ | it misses glibc_2.4 | 18:49 |
| _z_ | repo update messed something | 18:50 |
| pupnik | ... this monkey's gone to heaven~ | 18:50 |
| _z_ | how could I roll it back? | 18:51 |
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| GNUton | Hi! | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | _z_ was that in scratchbox or on an actual device? | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | and did you do apt-get upgrade or what? | 18:53 |
| * mgedmin wants to know what 'repo update' means | 18:53 | |
| mgedmin | it could mean 'apt-get update', which is harmless | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | in general, running apt-get upgrade on the device is a recipe for disaster | 18:53 |
| _z_ | 770 | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | when you've got the SDK repo in your apt sources | 18:53 |
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| mgedmin | some system packages from the SDK repo are incompatible with the actual device | 18:53 |
| _z_ | just repos update, nthing more | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | and the actual device doesn't allow you to upgrade certain essential system packages | 18:54 |
| Disconnect | how do i tell the media indexer to ignore certain paths? (or is there a match that it'll always ignore?) its constantly indexing all my maps and such :( | 18:54 |
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| _z_ | not upgrade | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | (the watchdog notices an essential service being restarted and reboots in the middle of an upgrade) | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | ah, repos update = apt-get update | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | no way that would break anything | 18:54 |
| _z_ | yep | 18:54 |
| _z_ | get it | 18:54 |
| _z_ | what to do? | 18:54 |
| _z_ | python does not work | 18:55 |
| sp3000 | Disconnect: how do your maps sound? | 18:55 |
| _z_ | nor socat | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | hmm :/ | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | where did you get your python from? | 18:55 |
| _z_ | mutt uses libutils | 18:55 |
| Disconnect | sp3000: slow :) | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | the sdk python will probably not work on the actual device | 18:55 |
| _z_ | extras | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | ah, ok, interesting | 18:56 |
| _z_ | not sdk | 18:56 |
| _z_ | 770 | 18:56 |
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| * sp3000 cotemplates a "where stuff came from" script | 18:56 | |
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| sp3000 | cotemplate? that's not a word, but it sounds credibly technical :P | 18:57 |
| * czr gives more templates to sp3000 | 18:57 | |
| czr | more templates, more fun! | 18:57 |
| _z_ | I put mail from mutt to python script and it fails for glibc | 18:57 |
| sp3000 | ooh, now we're cotemplatng! | 18:57 |
| sp3000 | ing! | 18:57 |
| czr | co-templace, the next generation. taking templates where they've never gone before (and shouldn't go, now that we think about it) | 18:58 |
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| czr | template damn it | 18:58 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: you mean, dpkg -S <file> ? | 18:58 |
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| czr | sp3000, cotemplate might be some new feature in C++++ | 18:58 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: pkgs:repos rather than files:pkgs | 18:59 |
| czr | similar to coroutines, but even more confusing that coroutines and templates combined | 18:59 |
| sp3000 | czr, sounds like a plan | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: for installed pkgs or something like gronmayer.com/it/ | 18:59 |
| sp3000 | for installed | 18:59 |
| * czr always thought that ++ operator should increment by two, not by one | 19:00 | |
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| mgedmin | _z_: which exactly os revision do you have? | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | there were three official ones, iirc (mistral, scirocco and gregale) | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | perhaps the python deb you've got is incompatible with the one you're running? | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | what's the version of the python package? | 19:01 |
| _z_ | it worked 2 dys ago | 19:01 |
| _z_ | 2.5 | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | hm, interesting | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | what changed in those 2 days? | 19:01 |
| _z_ | I know | 19:01 |
| _z_ | repos | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | is there a dpkg.log on the 770? | 19:01 |
| _z_ | hm | 19:01 |
| _z_ | missing repo at maemo org | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | mhm | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | random memory corruption? | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | the wifi driver on 770 has it | 19:02 |
| _z_ | could be | 19:02 |
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| sp3000 | mgedmin: doesn't look like os2008 keeps one, at least | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | once apt-get stopped working on my sister's 770 (complained about invalid fields in /var/lib/dpkg/status) | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | I had no xterm on it, and no way to get root | 19:02 |
| Tak | wifi driver is fixed in latest 2007HE | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | I resigned myself to reflashing | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | when I finally found the time (a few weeks later), the problem was just gone | 19:03 |
| _z_ | he-he | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | I assume that was it, and there was probably a reboot during those weeks | 19:03 |
| _z_ | I write on 770 and it works in general | 19:04 |
| _z_ | just /lib/libutils.so.1 misses glibc_2.4 | 19:05 |
| * mgedmin wonders about libutil.so.1 | 19:05 | |
| mgedmin | oh, it's part of glibc | 19:06 |
| _z_ | yes | 19:06 |
| * mgedmin wants to take the 770 back from his sister | 19:06 | |
| mgedmin | maybe I should get her an asus eee pc as a replacement? | 19:06 |
| _z_ | if u find one | 19:07 |
| ||cw | I'm thinking getting an Eee | 19:07 |
| _z_ | if u find one | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | there were three in a local shop... a few... weeks... ago... and one was reserved for someone | 19:08 |
| ||cw | newegg has them in stock | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | hm | 19:08 |
| _z_ | k, how could I cp glibc from somewhere? | 19:08 |
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| mgedmin | the black one is in stock | 19:08 |
| _z_ | don't say reflash | 19:08 |
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| sp3000 | "reflash" | 19:09 |
| ||cw | they even have the 1G/8G but only in perl | 19:09 |
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| sp3000 | scnr, lame is my game | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | in perl? | 19:10 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: something like for p in $(dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}'); do echo -ne $p\\t; apt-cache showpkg $p | sed -n 's,(/var/lib/dpkg/status),,p'; done | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | what are the alternatives? ruby? python? | 19:10 |
| ||cw | woner how hard t would be to dual boot XP on one, most of the time when i use my laptop i use it because I have to have a real windows install, not in vmware | 19:10 |
| sp3000 | although, what that will tell you is not where the installed packages came from, but from where the same version that is installed is available from | 19:10 |
| _z_ | not an idea | 19:10 |
| sp3000 | from from | 19:10 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: perl white | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | _z_: I assume you've already tried rebooting? | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | ah, pearl | 19:10 |
| Disconnect | ||cw: not hard (people have done it) but its got basically no storage | 19:10 |
| Tak | ruby red, python green? | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | scaly :-) | 19:11 |
| _z_ | yes, but will do again | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 19:11 |
| _z_ | bbl | 19:11 |
| ||cw | Disconnect: the 8GB one would be enough, and there's also SD | 19:11 |
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| ||cw | or even install XP to a USB disk | 19:11 |
| FMZ | Anyone got experience with Canola2? | 19:12 |
| ||cw | wonder if you could install windows to a SDHC card | 19:12 |
| FMZ | o_O | 19:12 |
| FMZ | ||cw: The result would be much the same as installing it to a PC... feelings of hopelessness, depression, things that you once enjoyed no longer mean anything to you. | 19:13 |
| Tak | heh, we distribute systems with winxp on doac | 19:13 |
| ||cw | FMZ: only things I need windows for are "fixing" ipods and reflashing smartphones | 19:14 |
| ||cw | i think | 19:14 |
| ||cw | of course, that new little everex is interesting too, and has a 30GB hdd | 19:15 |
| Jaffa | FMZ: I've used it. | 19:16 |
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| pupnik | "If I had my life to live over again, I would have made a rule to read some poetry and listen to some music at least once a week." - Charles Darwin | 19:17 |
| _z_ | mgedmin, for some reason, glibc now works! | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | yay | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | magic | 19:17 |
| _z_ | thank,you | 19:17 |
| * mgedmin has psychic irc bugfixing powers | 19:17 | |
| _z_ | I did reboot fewtimes prviously | 19:17 |
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| Disconnect | ughhhh. repository.maemo.org is returning 200 OK with error pages :( | 19:18 |
| sp3000 | joy | 19:18 |
| shackan | Disconnect: heh :( | 19:18 |
| _z_ | no, you really helped makng the sace curving | 19:18 |
| _z_ | *space | 19:18 |
| sp3000 | Disconnect: that's how they broke acid2 just now at webstandards.org, too :) | 19:18 |
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| FMZ | Jaffa: Have you come across "error during download" when trying to get podcasts? | 19:19 |
| _z_ | and non-free isthe problem | 19:19 |
| sp3000 | people were all omg fx3b2 fails acid2 | 19:19 |
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| db48x | haha | 19:20 |
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| db48x | I still have a 1920×1440 image in my microb start page | 19:20 |
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| sp3000 | db48x: eh, why? :) | 19:21 |
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| db48x | sp3000: the vagaries of software development, I guess | 19:23 |
| Tak | pupnik: excellent news | 19:23 |
| pupnik | ? | 19:23 |
| db48x | I needed to test to see if chrome urls would work in that page, and that image was all I had handy | 19:23 |
| crafton | How are working the maemo repositories now?? | 19:23 |
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| mgedmin | crafton: not very | 19:25 |
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| sp3000 | they seem to be working pretty well for me in the last hour or so, as it happens | 19:27 |
| crafton | I achieved to install pidgin but nothing more | 19:27 |
| crafton | From spain | 19:28 |
| sp3000 | try again, you'll probably get something useful every now and then | 19:28 |
| Tak | http://bayimg.com/iAiMFaaBf | 19:29 |
| sp3000 | for about 15 seconds there I tried to understand what that image is trying to say about repository.m.o | 19:29 |
| sp3000 | it was a confusing 15 seconds | 19:30 |
| Tak | lol | 19:30 |
| Tak | the chick is r.m.o - the guy with the sword is the maemo community | 19:30 |
| sp3000 | what about the guy in the s/m teddybear outfit | 19:31 |
| crafton | Isn't pidgin on r.m.o ? | 19:31 |
| Tak | that's a different image entirely :-P | 19:31 |
| * pupnik is confused by Tak | 19:31 | |
| sp3000 | crafton: yes, extras | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | Repos now fine? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=113185 | 19:32 |
| Tak | pupnik: what's confusing? | 19:32 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: for some, aparently | 19:32 |
| pupnik | oh the picture link | 19:32 |
| pupnik | nice looking! | 19:32 |
| pupnik | any sound yet? | 19:33 |
| Tak | yeah, sound works fine | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: not for me | 19:33 |
| pupnik | great news - looks like best emu so far eh? | 19:34 |
| Tak | yeah - the game selection is a bit limited though :-/ | 19:34 |
| pupnik | (speed) | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: fair enough | 19:34 |
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| Jaffa | LXDoom on the N810 is really cool. I can finally type idkfa and iddqd and do reasonably well. I don't use the stylus anymore either (couldn't get on with it, being left-handed) | 19:34 |
| dskippy | I'm still getting complaints that the python2.5-runtime "Installation file [is] corrupted" | 19:35 |
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| pupnik | hmm i find the quake port has very usable controls | 19:35 |
| Tak | I played through metal slug and neo bomberman while my fiancee was at the dentist, though | 19:36 |
| dskippy | Anyone else able to install python2.5-runtime? | 19:36 |
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| mgedmin | dskippy: repository.maemo.org is broken | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | I doubt anyone is able to install anything from it | 19:37 |
| pupnik | neo geo looks like lots of fighting | 19:38 |
| dskippy | mgedmin, I thought someone just announced that it was fixed in the IRC channel. | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | hah! | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | dskippy: no, I asked a question based on a forum topic. | 19:39 |
| sp3000 | dskippy: the load progress bar gets to about 60% and then complains, yeah | 19:39 |
| dskippy | Awe :( Wishful thinking I guess. | 19:39 |
| sp3000 | it's working a lot faster though :P | 19:39 |
| johnx | fnordianslip: If you're still here and didn't solve it yet, check the permissions on /home/user/.ssh | 19:39 |
| dskippy | sp3000 I get to the end of the 5.26MB download and then it says it's corrupted. | 19:39 |
| johnx | fnordianslip, mine was world writeable and apparently sshd doesn't like that | 19:40 |
| Tak | haha, yeah | 19:40 |
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| sp3000 | oh, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python-runtime/python2.5-runtime_c1.0-2_all.deb tells me The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause. | 19:40 |
| sp3000 | with the aforementioned 200 OK | 19:41 |
| dskippy | Huh. | 19:41 |
| sp3000 | no wonder it works faster ;) | 19:41 |
| dskippy | Well that's at least a quicker place to check to see if it might work right now. | 19:41 |
| |R | which cpu monitoring applet are stable on 2008 ? | 19:42 |
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| fnordianslip | johnx: tnx will take a look | 19:48 |
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| Henry78 | hi all! | 19:58 |
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| Henry78 | is there anything i can do about error with apt- get using the maemo repos? | 19:59 |
| Henry78 | i get a: "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" | 19:59 |
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| pupnik | Henry78: they seem broken. You can download individual files and install them too | 19:59 |
| Henry78 | are they going to be fixed? | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | we hope so | 20:00 |
| Disconnect | hmm. any way to automate importing of old maps into the new maemo mapper? | 20:00 |
| Henry78 | : ) | 20:00 |
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| mgedmin | pupnik: are you sure you can download individual files? | 20:00 |
| Henry78 | ^^ just wanted to ask the same | 20:01 |
| pupnik | no, but you would then get the statusbar from wget | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | but will you get it? | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | I get a 200-byte long plain text file called something.deb | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | but its contents are silly | 20:01 |
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| Disconnect | ugh. now canola is indexing my maps too :( | 20:08 |
| chenca | Disconnect: remove the maps dir on settings | 20:08 |
| Henry78 | where to remove it? | 20:09 |
| Disconnect | it just offers images, removable card, internal card. am i missing something? | 20:09 |
| chenca | unset the MMC | 20:09 |
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| chenca | after that set internal folders on MMC | 20:09 |
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| Disconnect | aaahhh. cool got it now. | 20:10 |
| chenca | :-) | 20:10 |
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| Disconnect | ok now how do i make it actually work? pointed it only at a dir containing 3 subdirs of pics (standard jpeg) .. but it still shows just the maps. (triple-checked hte selections, even rebooted) | 20:18 |
| FMZ | Disconnect: It takes a few to show up | 20:21 |
| FMZ | Make sure you click the little "eye" icon | 20:21 |
| MoRpHeUz | Disconnect: it maybe a bug that we already fixed...try this: | 20:21 |
| Henry78 | how to set the internal folders? | 20:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | Disconnect: click the "eye" icon to "deselect" the folder, select "ok" | 20:22 |
| FMZ | MoRpHeUz: Are you part of the dev-team for Canola? | 20:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | go to photos (there should be nothing there) | 20:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | FMZ: yep | 20:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | Disconnect: than try selecting it again... | 20:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | Disconnect: let me know the result plz =) | 20:22 |
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| MoRpHeUz | FMZ: chenca, cmarcelo, k-s are too | 20:23 |
| FMZ | MoRpHeUz: Any ideas wht I might be getting "Error during download" whenever I try to download one of my podcasts? | 20:23 |
| Disconnect | delected (slashy-eye) all 3 - photos, internal, external. it went 'updating database' .. still lists the maps | 20:23 |
| chenca | FMZ: No left space on Device?? | 20:23 |
| FMZ | 700 mb :) | 20:24 |
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| kenne | well, I show that when the download manager changes state to error | 20:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | Disconnect: in which folder are this maps ? | 20:24 |
| Disconnect | internal -> mapdata -> maemomapper -> mapsource -> {maemo mapper # dirs} | 20:25 |
| Disconnect | trying to get (at a base at least) external -> photos instead | 20:25 |
| kenne | i will improve the error reporting | 20:26 |
| kenne | but i will need to look at the download manager | 20:26 |
| Disconnect | if i select external it will go 'udpating database' again but no change | 20:27 |
| hugolp | Since yesterday I installed the definitive OS2008 I cant put the clock on to 24 hour mode. Its allways on am-pm mode | 20:29 |
| hugolp | any one knows where to change it? | 20:29 |
| k-s | hugolp: install canola, we just provide 24hs clock :-D | 20:31 |
| hugolp | k-s: open source canola and Ill install it | 20:31 |
| hugolp | :) | 20:31 |
| k-s | good one | 20:31 |
| k-s | :-P | 20:31 |
| k-s | I can open source the clock, if you wish | 20:31 |
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| k-s | ehehe | 20:31 |
| hugolp | hahahaha | 20:31 |
| hugolp | we have a deal then? | 20:32 |
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| cbx33 | hey peeps | 20:32 |
| cbx33 | just got my n800 update :D | 20:32 |
| * Disconnect installed it. its a very pretty interface to view random google map squares :P | 20:32 | |
| Disconnect | oooh. bonus. it added the actual pics now too. | 20:33 |
| k-s | Disconnect: ehehehe | 20:33 |
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| FMZ | k-s: Do you have any idea why I might get "error during download" when I try to download my podcasts? I have plenty of disk space. | 20:33 |
| Disconnect | fyi in the dir selector the scrollbar appears when the entries exactly fit (one line too soon - it appears, but there's nothing to scroll) | 20:33 |
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| fnordianslip | damn. just went to copy 3 files totalling abt 135MB onto mmc1 from my MacBook via USB, but copy didn't complete | 20:35 |
| Disconnect | and the menu button inside browsing goes to main menu (which is fine) but the 'back arrow' doesn't go back to the picture, it goes to "want to exit?" (i'm spoiled :P ..) | 20:35 |
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| fnordianslip | n800 rebooted. now mmc1 keeps going RO and I can't copy files from it into my cloned root FS on mmc2. | 20:35 |
| fnordianslip | any ideas, or should i consult the forums for doom and gloom posts | 20:36 |
| FMZ | fnordianslip: Have you checked the physical switch on the card? | 20:36 |
| fnordianslip | never experienced this kind of problem myself under 2007 or 2008 beta, with the same cards | 20:37 |
| k-s | Disconnect: please report on garage :-) | 20:37 |
| fnordianslip | well, it seems to work, giving the correct notifications when i open and close the door | 20:37 |
| k-s | FMZ: no idea, kenne wrote that | 20:37 |
| k-s | FMZ: but maybe it's full, as chenca said | 20:38 |
| k-s | FMZ: notice that we try to finda good mmc, but you may end with that in an UNMOUNTED /media/mmc | 20:38 |
| FMZ | k-s: I've got plenty :) | 20:38 |
| fnordianslip | oh the switch on the card? hmm..unlikely as it hasn't been out of the device | 20:38 |
| k-s | like you have no mmc1, then canola checks and mis-use it, you'll end without flash memory | 20:39 |
| FMZ | k-s: I have memory in both slots... both have over 100mb available. | 20:42 |
| k-s | damn | 20:42 |
| FMZ | So, Canola isn't open source... 'tis a shame, I'd check it out. | 20:42 |
| k-s | kenne: is there any log available from your part or download-manager? | 20:42 |
| FMZ | If I can get this part working, then Canola will be running 75% of the time that the n800 is switched on. | 20:43 |
| k-s | :-) | 20:43 |
| k-s | FMZ: we need to find out what's the blocker there, as we need to fix it :-) | 20:43 |
| chenca | FM:Z: and the other 25% | 20:44 |
| k-s | actually kenne needs to fix it :-) | 20:44 |
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| FMZ | chenca: The other 25% will be the browser. :) | 20:45 |
| k-s | FMZ: hold on and someday you'll be 100% inside canola :-D | 20:45 |
| chenca | FMZ: ^^^ | 20:45 |
| FMZ | Are there any plans to support video-casts, a la Revision3? | 20:45 |
| k-s | FMZ: yes | 20:46 |
| hugolp | anyone using Mobyle Mythtv here? | 20:46 |
| FMZ | Oooh, browser support inside Canola? I like it. | 20:46 |
| hugolp | its not working for me in the new OS2008 | 20:46 |
| FMZ | k-s, chenca: I love you guys. | 20:46 |
| k-s | actually, after we release our UPnP plugin anyone will be able to support new data acquisition services | 20:46 |
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| cbx33 | why won't ssh-client install | 20:50 |
| cbx33 | it says installation file corrupt | 20:50 |
| Disconnect | hugolp: i would be but it doesn't have a mythtv-side for amd64 :( | 20:50 |
| FMZ | k-s: An idea... a Canola applet on the homescreen like the RSS applet, for podcasts, etc. | 20:51 |
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| hugolp | Disconnect: theres no mythtv packages for amd64? | 20:52 |
| hugolp | My computer is actually a amd64 but I run i386 | 20:53 |
| k-s | FMZ: great idea | 20:53 |
| hugolp | not much difference and less trouble | 20:53 |
| k-s | FMZ: I want to provide an easy way to write EFL applets, when I do that I'll write such script | 20:53 |
| k-s | such applet, I mean | 20:53 |
| Disconnect | hugolp: there's no mobile-myth app for amd64 (mobile-myth has 2 halves, it doesn't talk to stock mythtv | 20:54 |
| solmumaha | how do i get canola2 installed? i'm getting lots of size mismatch errors | 20:55 |
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| FMZ | k-s: Awesome :) | 20:56 |
| MoRpHeUz | Disconnect: sorry...I was away...could you workaround the problem ? | 20:58 |
| Disconnect | MoRpHeUz: sorta. working on someting else for now. | 20:59 |
| MoRpHeUz | Disconnect: hhmm...let's see if on our next release it fixes for you...if not, just ping me ok ? (I just fixed some bugs on canola daemon today) | 21:00 |
| Disconnect | sounds good | 21:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | thanks! =) | 21:01 |
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| Disconnect | grr. garnet doesn't work on the new os :( | 21:02 |
| hugolp | Disconnect: I see, so whats missing is Gmyth for amd64 | 21:02 |
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| hugolp | Disconnect: you really think is worth to run the amd64 version? I run i386 on AMD 64 x2 4200. I tried amd64 version and didnt see almos any difference | 21:03 |
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| k-s | FMZ: could you fix the issue with podcast? or at least find out the reason? | 21:06 |
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| ||cw | hugolp: if you have an app that needs more than 2 GB ram or some app that haves a 64bit performance gain (i've yet to see one), only then is 64bit OS worth it | 21:12 |
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| sp3000 | cbx33: because the repository is being evil | 21:16 |
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| sp3000 | rather than slow | 21:17 |
| Disconnect | ||cw: these days, the extra registers tend to be a decent performance improvement. esp for multimedia stuff. | 21:17 |
| sp3000 | cbx33: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/o/openssh/openssh-client_4.6p1-5.maemo1_armel.deb probably explains | 21:18 |
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| Henry78 | another question: is it possible to use claws instead of ossomail? | 21:18 |
| * sp3000 waves a modest flag | 21:19 | |
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| ||cw | Disconnect: like dvd encoding? been a couple years since I tried, but it was like a 2% gain, not worth it for the lib64 issues | 21:19 |
| sp3000 | although its background mail check prefs didn't work for me last I tried | 21:19 |
| sp3000 | it would check regardless :( | 21:19 |
| Disconnect | ||cw: waht issues? and yah, ffmpeg is nicely faster (although it could be even faster, it still generally uses 32bit asm many places) | 21:20 |
| ||cw | just the whole chroot issue when you have to compile stuff that won't work in 64bit for whatever reason | 21:22 |
| djcb | sp3000, please retry with the latest | 21:22 |
| ||cw | haven't had as much of that as I used to though | 21:22 |
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| ||cw | drivers can also be a problem | 21:22 |
| script | damn ... maemo-staff just deleted my .install-files? | 21:22 |
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| sp3000 | djcb: will do, haven't gotten to it post-reflash | 21:23 |
| script | well .. they were broken as far is i know *NOW* | 21:23 |
| script | and now they are deleted | 21:23 |
| sp3000 | script: specify | 21:23 |
| script | this whole thing begins pi**** me off ... i tought moving to official maemo-extras repository was a wise idea | 21:23 |
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| sp3000 | after darius, I get funny vibes from anything that says deleted | 21:24 |
| script | sp3000: i specify: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/vpnc-gui.install | 21:24 |
| script | sp3000: that damn thing used to exists | 21:24 |
| *** mgedmin changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | os2008 download still slow - it's being worked on | repository.maemo.org seems to be" | 21:24 | |
| *** mgedmin changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | os2008 download still slow - it's being worked on | repository.maemo.org is down?" | 21:24 | |
| script | ... seems to be painfully broken .. you meant? | 21:25 |
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| sp3000 | ok, other stuff there seems to exist | 21:25 |
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| sp3000 | though I guess I'd still wait for the randomness to pass before shooting anyone | 21:26 |
| FMZ | k-s: I could give it a good ol' college try... :) | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | mgedmin: doesn't http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/ load for you? | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | or what do you mean by down? | 21:26 |
| FMZ | k-s: I haven't found any other info regarding the problem on the n800 | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | it loads, but try do download any .deb package and look inside | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | it's a text file, not a package | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | right | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | "broken" would be a better word than "down" | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | but the /topic becomes too long and gets truncated | 21:27 |
| * sp3000 isn't sure down describes that well, since the test I would use is to load something, and some things come out just fine | 21:27 | |
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| *** mgedmin changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | os2008 download still slow - it's being worked on | repository.maemo.org broke down?" | 21:27 | |
| mgedmin | better? | 21:27 |
| FMZ | lol | 21:28 |
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| mgedmin | "unusable" is also correct and descriptive -- try apt-get installing anything in scratchbox | 21:28 |
| script | sp3000: do you see any date prior to 23.11.2007 ? | 21:28 |
| sp3000 | something like that I guess | 21:28 |
| script | sp3000: a "bit" odd? | 21:28 |
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| sp3000 | you said they were broken though? | 21:29 |
| script | sp3000: they used to be broken .. because i have a local copy here | 21:30 |
| script | so my guess is: someone recognized that and just deleted them ... | 21:30 |
| sp3000 | maybe someone has a magic script | 21:30 |
| script | and mabye someone doesnt bother telling any developer their install-files were broken and now completely deleted | 21:31 |
| * sp3000 doesn't know if such magic could notify helpfully | 21:31 | |
| sp3000 | if fact, I know nothing relevant at all | 21:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | anybody knows the status of usb-host-mode on n800 ? (chinook) | 21:31 |
| fnordianslip | johnx: belated thanks. permissions resolved the ssh publickey authentication problem. must have got screwed up in the backup process. | 21:33 |
| halley | chmod -R 700 ~/.ssh | 21:34 |
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| sp3000 | yays, bugs.maemo gives me "too many connections" a bit too much :( | 21:37 |
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| sp3000 | (not always mind you) | 21:37 |
| yabbas | N00b question: Does anyone know where to get the sources for the uinput kernel module; and how to compile for N800? | 21:39 |
| fnordianslip | hallet: tnx - fixed it earlier. now to see if i can get ssh-agent working properly on the n800. last time i tried it didn't seem to export the right stuff for ssh-add to work. anyone got it going on OS2008? | 21:41 |
| fnordianslip | halley even | 21:41 |
| halley | I never use ssh-agent, dunno. | 21:42 |
| Henry78 | i try again: anybody knows if it's possible to replace the osso-mailer with claws? | 21:43 |
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| sp3000 | I think I've heard of people using claws on the tablets | 21:46 |
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| sp3000 | as for replace as in integration, dunno | 21:46 |
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| Robot101 | Henry78: did you try modest? | 21:47 |
| Robot101 | it at least integrates to the notifications | 21:47 |
| yabbas | penguinbait, just the guy I wanted to speak to :) | 21:48 |
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| penguinbait | yabbas !! | 21:49 |
| penguinbait | whats up | 21:49 |
| yabbas | penguinbait, mind if we chat in pm for a sec? | 21:49 |
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| mgedmin | fnordianslip: I've got ssh agent working | 21:49 |
| penguinbait | np | 21:49 |
| mgedmin | it's sweet | 21:49 |
| sp3000 | djcb: frankly the real problem is I don't have a mailbox that I'd want notification for | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | my .profile has an ugly hack so that I could find my old ssh agent from previous osso-xterm sessions | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | that'll take some infrastructure wrangling to set up :) | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | (or per-folder notification prefs) | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | fnordianslip_: http://pastey.net/79345 | 21:51 |
| penguinbait | yabbas? | 21:52 |
| yabbas | penguinbait, doh..should've read the stuff on PM'ing users ;) | 21:52 |
| * sp3000 does have a "direct" label in gmail (i.e. imap folder) that would like notifications, however the actual inbox with all the bugspam rather doesn't | 21:52 | |
| fnordianslip_ | mgedmin: thanks. i'm all over the place right now, sorry for tardiness in my responses. | 21:52 |
| yabbas | penguinbait, did you get any messages? | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | I know the feeling | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | no | 21:52 |
| yabbas | gah | 21:53 |
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| Henry78 | dorry, missed that, Robot101. no, i'll have a look at it. | 21:53 |
| Henry78 | err: sorry | 21:53 |
| penguinbait | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! | 21:53 |
| yabbas | penguinbait, /join #penguinchat :) | 21:53 |
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| fnordianslip_ | mgedmin: will try that .profile code in a few minutes. did you manage to get grsync working with it, or have u not tried? | 22:04 |
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| fnordianslip_ | repos seem to be working. bugzilla emal notification suggests that the problems are solved ... | 22:05 |
| Henry78 | hmm...modest is another mail client (maybe i'll try it out). but i was just looking for a way to integrate claws (which i'm already using) to os2008, so the new-mail notification an the popups relate to claws | 22:06 |
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| mikmach | hello, where can I find examples of xml files | 22:11 |
| mikmach | for keys: multiply | 22:11 |
| mikmach | as mentioned in specification on maemo.org | 22:12 |
| mikmach | ? | 22:12 |
| Henry78 | repos aren't working here... | 22:12 |
| mikmach | "modifier" like AltGr also would be welcome | 22:12 |
| fnordianslip_ | hmmm. repos don't seem to be working here either. just a moment of goodness i guess | 22:13 |
| Henry78 | too sad. | 22:13 |
| fnordianslip_ | seems like they just fixed the OS2008 download | 22:13 |
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| |R | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=113361 <- if any of you have BT kbd or headset problems with 2008 final... | 22:17 |
| |R | there seems to be a big screw up somewhere as at least 10 persons have problems : | 22:17 |
| |R | :| | 22:18 |
| halley | mikmach, the Chr key on N810 is seen as AltGr, at least in maemo's pygame. | 22:19 |
| mikmach | I need this for N800 :( | 22:20 |
| mikmach | To create Polish keyboard (diacritics etc.) | 22:20 |
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| mikmach | Slide would solve my problems but it doesn't work in stylus mode | 22:21 |
| mikmach | works as charm in thumb mode but in stylus it is broken | 22:21 |
| sp3000 | |R: oddly enough I don't see a bug link there | 22:22 |
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| |R | sp3000 : indeed, me neither... nobody has created one yet. :| | 22:23 |
| lnx^ | is it just me, or are there some problems with the maemo chinook repo? | 22:24 |
| |R | yep | 22:24 |
| K`zan | lnx^: Looks like it has problems to me. | 22:24 |
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| lnx^ | for how long has it had problems? | 22:24 |
| K`zan | Forever? | 22:24 |
| K`zan | :-) | 22:24 |
| lnx^ | :O | 22:24 |
| lnx^ | i just upgraded to os2008 and am too lazy to download any debs! | 22:25 |
| lnx^ | it throws me a gzip: invalid magic - Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) error | 22:25 |
| K`zan | Decided to check it yesterday and it said 67 apps but I could only find 62 and of those 8 are missing install files. | 22:25 |
| Henry78 | lnx^: at least the last 3 days, couldn't get it to work since upgrade to os2008 | 22:25 |
| lnx^ | bleh, so we have to download the debs manually or what? | 22:26 |
| K`zan | Tried to update ssh and it barked over a missing dependancy, fortunately ssh still works on the n800. | 22:26 |
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| Henry78 | an instlal of openssh worked fine a few hours ago | 22:26 |
| |R | bugs.maemo.org is painful, won't let me login but i can on maemo.org | 22:26 |
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| K`zan | Dunno, might be because it is overloaded, took a number of tries to get the repos updated... | 22:27 |
| mozillar | is there any way to get java vm on maemo? | 22:27 |
| lnx^ | K`zan: you actually got it updated? i've tried at least 10 times, but keep getting the gzip error | 22:28 |
| Henry78 | yes: gzip error, for days... | 22:28 |
| K`zan | It would just hang on one or another of the repos, it it finally did update everything. | 22:28 |
| K`zan | Not sure how many times I did it before it finally got through all of them. | 22:29 |
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| fnordianslip_ | K'zan. me too. also have strange dependency problems with an offered upgrade of libglade2-0 | 22:29 |
| K`zan | Patience is a virtue with 2008 :-). | 22:29 |
| fnordianslip_ | just wait til all the new xmas owners start trying to install stuff too | 22:29 |
| K`zan | I'm holding off on the update for a while, everything I need is working so far. | 22:29 |
| K`zan | <shudder> that should discourage the less enthusiastic of them :-(. | 22:30 |
| Henry78 | : ) | 22:30 |
| Henry78 | are repo-server comunitiy powered, or by nokia? | 22:30 |
| K`zan | That web site is the worst PR for these wonderful little devices. | 22:30 |
| K`zan | Dunno, I thought nokia. | 22:30 |
| K`zan | Geeky types will stick with it, but others are going to be disheartened and pissed... | 22:31 |
| fnordianslip_ | i'm not sure if powered is the right word | 22:31 |
| K`zan | LOL, toooooooo true. | 22:31 |
| mozillar | whois mozillar | 22:32 |
| |R | identity issues? :P | 22:32 |
| mozillar | I'm new to irc | 22:32 |
| sp3000 | lnx^: weeeell, it was slow and intermittent for a few days, now it's fast but gives you error pages for debs :\ | 22:32 |
| K`zan | Welcome to the insanity :) | 22:32 |
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| lnx^ | sp3000: oookay, too bad.. | 22:32 |
| K`zan | sp3000: Sometimes pages don't even load right :-(. | 22:33 |
| czr | they load left! | 22:33 |
| czr | damn leftist pages! | 22:33 |
| K`zan | It is indeed a MESS. | 22:33 |
| * czr curses | 22:33 | |
| K`zan | LOL | 22:33 |
| K`zan | If that is the case, I'm selling my n800 :) | 22:33 |
| Henry78 | yeah: very sad, the update doesn't work... | 22:33 |
| K`zan | Glad I didn't install it, I thought I'd wait until the dust settles. | 22:34 |
| fnordianslip_ | did u see the comment in bugzilla? | 22:34 |
| fnordianslip_ | ------- Comment #19 from ferenc@maemo.org 2007-12-21 21:06 GMT+3 ------- | 22:34 |
| fnordianslip_ | Firmware d/l seems to be solved, the download speed is back to normal. Many | 22:34 |
| lnx^ | where can i get the nano .deb from? doesn't seem to be in the default repos at least | 22:34 |
| fnordianslip_ | thanks to the guys at Nokia Download Services, Akamai and Ixonos! | 22:34 |
| K`zan | 2007 gives me hope though :) | 22:34 |
| lnx^ | oh wait, did i need a red pill for that? | 22:34 |
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| K`zan | Need a page just listing apps, would beat hell out of wading all over the net to find stuff. | 22:35 |
| Henry78 | i found nano for 2007 | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | fnordianslip_: well, yeah, that works fine now, doesn't it? | 22:36 |
| sp3000 | I'm getting full speed for fw dl | 22:36 |
| K`zan | Take a while to mature, as noted, when it gets to the same place as 2007 stuff life will be good :-). | 22:36 |
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| sp3000 | (where full = about 200kBps here) | 22:36 |
| fnordianslip_ | so how come the repos haven't improved then | 22:37 |
| K`zan | Nokia doesn't really care? Devs are too busy deving? | 22:37 |
| sp3000 | that's a different thing? | 22:37 |
| fnordianslip_ | is it? | 22:37 |
| K`zan | As noted, patience is a virtue with things as they are :-). | 22:37 |
| sp3000 | well, if one is working and the other not, clearly it's somewhat different :) | 22:37 |
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| K`zan | It will all ultimately be resolved, riding the leading edge of the wave is always exciting :). | 22:38 |
| fnordianslip_ | don't get all logical on me | 22:38 |
| K`zan | :-), It keeps me from crying :-) | 22:38 |
| Henry78 | exciting...and you fall from time to time | 22:38 |
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| K`zan | Yep, true, I can always go back to my PC-1 if I get too worried :-) :-) :-). | 22:38 |
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| K`zan | http://oldcomputers.net/trs80pc1.html | 22:39 |
| K`zan | :-) | 22:39 |
| Henry78 | yipee! canola2 starts to install! | 22:40 |
| halley | Why o why are people so bent out of shape about media players? Who cares!? | 22:41 |
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| yabbas | halley, they look pretty | 22:41 |
| halley | Full-screen video, or shut the screen off, or do something productive. | 22:42 |
| Henry78 | i don't need it for video. | 22:42 |
| Henry78 | just pics and sound...nice rock! | 22:42 |
| sp3000 | hmm | 22:42 |
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| sp3000 | I just got an actual deb from rmo | 22:43 |
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| sp3000 | oh, but not from this directory | 22:44 |
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| sp3000 | bug 2609 is evil :| | 22:45 |
| yabbas | ARCH_VERSATILE or TI OMAP? | 22:46 |
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| czr | sp3000, that's only because I'm on my vacation! | 22:46 |
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| czr | hah. funny bug that one :-) | 22:47 |
| czr | also, the web server returns incorrect HTTP response code. | 22:47 |
| czr | sp3000, you might check luciano wolfs mail to maemo-devel (just in) about the http response code if you plan to take that bug | 22:47 |
| sp3000 | I don't have anywhere I could take it | 22:47 |
| * czr nods | 22:48 | |
| sp3000 | except maybe for a walk | 22:48 |
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| czr | there's always that | 22:48 |
| czr | or you could teach it The Way of The CoTemplate | 22:48 |
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| sp3000 | I could make something up and go troll on some patterns wiki | 22:49 |
| sp3000 | and confuse the hell out of people | 22:49 |
| sp3000 | 3. profit | 22:49 |
| * sp3000 giggles at "To: This is the main mailing list for Python for Maemo developers <pymaemo-developers@garage...>" | 22:52 | |
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| FMZ | 1. Work hard | 22:53 |
| FMZ | 2. Don't profit | 22:53 |
| sp3000 | consume, be silent, die? | 22:53 |
| Tak | the american dream | 22:53 |
| * cizarro hates silly little wlan-enable switches on laptops | 22:53 | |
| FMZ | Exactly :) | 22:53 |
| sp3000 | I think that's no longer in irc.mozilla.org's motd | 22:53 |
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| sp3000 | too bad | 22:54 |
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| FMZ | It's no surprise they call it the American Dream, you have to be asleep to believe it... - Bill Hicks | 22:54 |
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| K`zan | FMZ: LOL | 22:55 |
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| kenne | FMZ, I heard that you had some comments on the podcast | 22:57 |
| FMZ | kenne: For Canola? | 22:57 |
| kenne | yes | 22:58 |
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| Tak | hmm, anybody have the screenshot link I posted this morning? | 22:59 |
| FMZ | Yup... When I try to download my podcases, I get an "error during download" | 22:59 |
| K`zan | Found a nice little PSP softcase for the n800, not bad and is MUCH better than the glasses case it comes with. | 23:00 |
| Henry78 | link? | 23:00 |
| kenne | FMZ, I will add better error reporting to the download manager | 23:00 |
| halley | I need to find something better for the N810. It's ugly but functional once it loosens up a bit. | 23:01 |
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| FMZ | kenne: Cool, thanks man :) | 23:04 |
| k-s | MoRpHeUz: maybe canolad should close(stderr,stdout) and later reopen those to point to logfile | 23:04 |
| k-s | MoRpHeUz: this way we would log lms errors? | 23:04 |
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| k-s | MoRpHeUz: something like you're doing in a hackish way in python, but this time in a proper unix way :-) | 23:04 |
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| lnx^ | what should i use for e-mailing if my inbox has over 4000 messages? | 23:06 |
| lnx^ | the default e-mail app lags quite a bit and is unusable | 23:06 |
| tontsa | you should use folders and sort your mail :) | 23:06 |
| MoRpHeUz | k-s: I'm just using python's log system, specifing a file.. | 23:06 |
| lnx^ | pssh :P | 23:07 |
| lnx^ | that requires effort | 23:07 |
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| tontsa | seems that it requires effort aswell to find email client that likes your habbits | 23:07 |
| lnx^ | how about modest? | 23:08 |
| tontsa | how about microb and some webmail | 23:09 |
| kenne | FMZ, im looking at it right now :) | 23:09 |
| sp3000 | modest does take some time (a minute or two?) to populate my 30k+ gmail inbox on each startup | 23:09 |
| sp3000 | it might work out ok on 4k | 23:09 |
| lnx^ | sp3000: does it work fine after the startup? | 23:10 |
| sp3000 | as far as I can tell, yeah | 23:10 |
| lnx^ | the default email app is slow all the time :S | 23:10 |
| tontsa | the default mailapp also somehow manages to disconnect my bluetooth based internet if you set it to check mails automatically | 23:11 |
| tontsa | not always, but very often | 23:11 |
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| db48x | tontsa: ouch | 23:12 |
| db48x | I use Gnus for all of my email, but obviously I don't run it on my n800 | 23:13 |
| tontsa | for real email i still use ssh+screen+pine | 23:13 |
| sp3000 | I'd like to set up things so I can be notified of, let's say, sms-parity email | 23:14 |
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| sp3000 | I'm not sure if I can really get that with good coverage without setting up a mail server to fetch and filter for that purpose though | 23:15 |
| db48x | most IMAP servers can notifiy the client when you recieve an email | 23:15 |
| db48x | dunno if the existing clients support that, however | 23:15 |
| sp3000 | that's not the problem, having an inbox that gets the mail I want to be notified of only is the problem :) | 23:16 |
| db48x | :) | 23:16 |
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| sp3000 | sms-parity being an importance and frequency class, here | 23:17 |
| sp3000 | lag is fine, though iirc modest supports idle (don't know if that applies in the background) | 23:18 |
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| acydlord | anyone having touchscreen issues after the new n800 0s2k8 update? | 23:24 |
| ccooke | so, has anyone been able to install canola2 yet? | 23:25 |
| acydlord | yeah, i installed it about 2 minutes after it went live | 23:26 |
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| lnx^ | sp3000: modest indeed seems to work. can we change the default links to point to it, i.e. compose e-mail message & view e-mail box etc | 23:26 |
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| ccooke | acydlord: ah. before the repo trouble, then? | 23:27 |
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| acydlord | during the repo trouble, managed to sneak a couple downloads in | 23:27 |
| ccooke | lucky | 23:28 |
| ccooke | seems to be uninstallable now | 23:28 |
| sp3000 | lnx^: not atm | 23:28 |
| acydlord | i may have to reflash if the issues with my touchscreen are an isolated incident though | 23:28 |
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| cymacs | how come that http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz is giving "The service is temporarily unavailable." while Packages.bz2 (and even the uncompressed one) are working perfectly fine? | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | FUBAR is as FUBAR does. | 23:37 |
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| ||cw | wonder what kind of load the server is on anyway | 23:42 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | how do you hit alt on the n810? | 23:43 |
| ccooke | are there any alternate download locations? | 23:43 |
| halley | Magic, you don't. :) | 23:43 |
| ccooke | there's no alt. what are you trying to do? | 23:43 |
| magicrobotmonkey | crap irssis gonna be tough to use | 23:43 |
| ccooke | magicrobotmonkey: nah. using it now | 23:44 |
| ccooke | escape - number switches window too | 23:44 |
| Tak | there's always xchat ;-) | 23:44 |
| Jaffa | ssh, screen & bitchx | 23:44 |
| ccooke | escape is mapped to the lower of the two buttons on the main face | 23:45 |
| djcb | modest supports IMAP-IDLE | 23:45 |
| ccooke | Jaffa: ugh! angry fruit salad ui! | 23:45 |
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| djcb | and you can turn off auto-download in your settings | 23:45 |
| acydlord | i <3 modest | 23:45 |
| ccooke | modest? | 23:46 |
| Tak | mmm...angry fruit salad... | 23:46 |
| djcb | ccooke, http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/2007/12/automatic-for-people.html | 23:46 |
| acydlord | modest = email client made of less suck | 23:46 |
| ccooke | magicrobotmonkey: also, use screen. then you can remap ctrl-t to tab | 23:46 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ccooke: how do i hit esc number? | 23:47 |
| halley | He already said. | 23:47 |
| halley | The lower half of the button on the front panel is Esc. Then Fn+W is 2. | 23:47 |
| * Jaffa must try it post-reflash tomorrow. Want to know if https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203 is fixed | 23:47 | |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea but i have to hit fn, esc, #? | 23:47 |
| ccooke | magicrobotmonkey: see the non-keyboard button like a spiral arrow anticlockwsise? | 23:47 |
| halley | Esc, Fn, W. | 23:47 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 23:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | k let me see | 23:48 |
| ccooke | magicrobotmonkey: I find it usable | 23:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | gar it keeps exiting term | 23:48 |
| ccooke | (anyone else find the keyboard *much*more usable with clicking on? | 23:48 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | do i hold esc while i hit fn w? | 23:49 |
| ccooke | magicrobotmonkey: no | 23:49 |
| halley | You don't even have to hold Fn. | 23:49 |
| ccooke | indeed | 23:49 |
| Tak | this is beginning to sound like an emacs tutorial | 23:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ah | 23:49 |
| halley | (Unless you use scim-anthy.) | 23:49 |
| ccooke | all-in-all, the n810 is pretty good for irc | 23:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | guess i was making it too hard | 23:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | thanks | 23:50 |
| djcb | Jaffa, if you set the settings to text-mode, you should get the "> " thing | 23:50 |
| Jaffa | djcb: excellent, thanks | 23:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | how about caps lock or fn lock? | 23:50 |
| Tak | gngeo and xmaeme releases up | 23:50 |
| halley | No Fn-lock. | 23:50 |
| halley | Capslock is Shift, Shift. | 23:50 |
| ccooke | halley: there is | 23:50 |
| Jaffa | Fn Fn is Fn-lock | 23:50 |
| ccooke | it is fn fn... | 23:50 |
| sp3000 | magicrobotmonkey: hold esc means close app | 23:50 |
| halley | Guess I didn't try Fn Fn before adding scim-anthy. | 23:51 |
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| Tak | have a good end of year, all | 23:51 |
| sp3000 | so exiting makes sense :) | 23:51 |
| sp3000 | you too, and tak it easy :P | 23:52 |
| magicrobotmonkey | sweet thanks a buch guys | 23:52 |
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| ccooke | now all I need is an xterm that'll remember I want no **** bar at the screen bottom | 23:53 |
| halley | Still want Tab for completions in xterm. | 23:53 |
| ccooke | halley: it's gettable | 23:53 |
| ccooke | do you use screen? | 23:54 |
| magicrobotmonkey | how about links in the term? | 23:54 |
| halley | No, I don't use screen. | 23:54 |
| sp3000 | magicrobotmonkey: tap and hold -> context menu -> ... | 23:54 |
| ccooke | halley: ah. out of luck then | 23:54 |
| ccooke | you can still tab with ctrl-i | 23:54 |
| sp3000 | magicrobotmonkey: mind you, tap and hold on small things can be a bit tricky | 23:54 |
| ccooke | but that's awkward to use | 23:55 |
| ccooke | (ctrl-i is the code tab generates) | 23:55 |
| ccooke | if you use screen, you can redirect ctrl-t to tab with 'bindkey ^t stuff ^i | 23:56 |
| ccooke | that help? | 23:56 |
| * halley shudders. | 23:56 | |
| halley | Ctrl+i is better. | 23:57 |
| ds3 | Okay, what is the current place I should get kismet binaries for OS2006 770's? stuff from google seems to be in varying states of development | 23:57 |
| ccooke | (in screen, that's esc-Â: to get a prompt, then the bindkey) | 23:57 |
| dragorn | ds3: there are no official ones currently | 23:57 |
| dragorn | ds3: However, being recently inspired to work on it again, I've got base functionality mostly working on os2008, and a lot of that will carry back to os2007 | 23:58 |
| ccooke | halley: you have smaller fingers than me, then. not that that surprises me - I'm oversized :-) | 23:58 |
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| halley | I've never met a Cooke who wasn't oversized. ;) | 23:58 |
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| ccooke | halley: oh? | 23:59 |
| halley | Pun... 'cook'. | 23:59 |
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