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| |R | acydlord haha | 00:05 |
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| mmiller | acydlord: Maybe if you where a cop.. | 00:05 |
| acydlord | why if i was a cop? | 00:05 |
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| |R | put your hands where we _can_t_ see them! | 00:06 |
| |R | (urhm.. what? ;) | 00:06 |
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| mmiller | acydlord: Did you not hear about that one porn star who got out of a speeding ticket and drug charges for having sex with that cop in KY or TN? | 00:06 |
| |R | haha | 00:06 |
| |R | in KY ? :P | 00:07 |
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| acydlord | sure didnt | 00:09 |
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| mozillar | hello | 00:11 |
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| mozillar | Is there a Flickr uploader for Maemo? | 00:11 |
| acydlord | there was, dunno if there still is | 00:12 |
| acydlord | nflick | 00:12 |
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| acydlord | and te mhshottool will upload screenshots to flickr | 00:12 |
| adammelancon | It used to be part of one of the camera apps | 00:12 |
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| tontsa | n810 really needs some kind of assisted gps. took almost 8 minutes to get lock on 4 satellites out in the open | 00:15 |
| FMZ | Skrylar: Hey man | 00:15 |
| |R | tontsa : second time? | 00:15 |
| tontsa | |R, first time i succeed getting any type of lock | 00:16 |
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| Skrylar | And now for fun times in Intel CPU documentation | 00:16 |
| |R | tontsa : ok, maybe it's going to be faster now | 00:16 |
| |R | does the GPS sets the clock? | 00:16 |
| |R | i mean, it's the best NTP you can get ;) | 00:17 |
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| tontsa | i doubt it | 00:17 |
| tontsa | my unit is still in wrong time :) | 00:17 |
| |R | hehe | 00:17 |
| |R | that would be a great software add-on | 00:18 |
| tontsa | not a bad idea though for a script.. since it's quite easy to parse that NMEA | 00:18 |
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| fnordianslip | but GPS time is skewed from GMT. a few years ago it was 13 seconds adrift. not sure about now | 00:19 |
| Skrylar | nosebleed oh noes | 00:19 |
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| |R | fnordianslip : oh, didn't know that, but if it's a well documented and very precise drift, it's still good :) | 00:20 |
| mgedmin | GPS time ignores leap seconds, so the diff accumulates | 00:20 |
| fnordianslip | think GPS time is known as "UTC via USNO" or similar | 00:21 |
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| |R | ok | 00:21 |
| |R | well thus it's not hard to add :) | 00:21 |
| Skrylar | Also note | 00:22 |
| Skrylar | Transmission time between the radio and the orbital can cause time drift :P | 00:22 |
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| fnordianslip | as can your velocity | 00:23 |
| tontsa | well it's doable since there are even rack-units that provide ntp time sources from gps clocks | 00:23 |
| tontsa | but i doubt that is diffrent scenario since the datacenter is not likely to move much | 00:23 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 00:23 |
| tontsa | s/doubt/think | 00:23 |
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| Skrylar | If the datacenter is moving, that means it's either an earthquake or a secret base XD | 00:24 |
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| tontsa | well you could get those Sun shipping container datacenters | 00:24 |
| fnordianslip | moving with respect to what? | 00:25 |
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| Skrylar | FMZ: So how is the gizmo conferencing working out? | 00:28 |
| adammelancon | oops ;) | 00:28 |
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| Skrylar | :P | 00:28 |
| Skrylar | aww, he left | 00:28 |
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| tontsa | anyway.. back to the topic. i want the same assisted gps they added to E90 via software | 00:28 |
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| acydlord | i want an e90 | 00:34 |
| acydlord | if only one didnt have to take out a second mortgage to afford one | 00:34 |
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| TIRC_9099 | cia | 00:35 |
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| Skrylar | I have a Sidekick 3 :( | 00:35 |
| Skrylar | It would be great if it wasn't for the T-Mobile lockdown | 00:36 |
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| acydlord | they sure screwed up on the sidekick slide | 00:37 |
| acydlord | i kind of miss my ogo | 00:37 |
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| Skrylar | I haven't heard much about the slide | 00:38 |
| Skrylar | Other than they took a Sidekick 3, replaced the swing hinge with a slider, and went on to charge 400$ for it | 00:39 |
| Skrylar | Despite Android looming around, threatening the whole user lock-out mentality >_> | 00:39 |
| * Skrylar hoorays for android. | 00:39 | |
| acydlord | ahh, the slide keeps shorting out on people | 00:40 |
| Skrylar | XD | 00:40 |
| acydlord | i remember i had a bunch of friends getting sidekick 3s replaces cause their screen would come off | 00:40 |
| Skrylar | The screen on mine is a little wobbly, but the hinge is still solid | 00:40 |
| acydlord | one of my friends used to shoot his screen at people lol | 00:41 |
| Skrylar | Interestingly the warranty explicitly doesn't cover the fragile hingework in sidekicks | 00:41 |
| Skrylar | lol | 00:41 |
| Skrylar | SK's still have the best keyboards | 00:41 |
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| Skrylar | They need to just make it flip up, laptop style | 00:41 |
| acydlord | yeah | 00:42 |
| acydlord | thats how the ogo was, and the keyboard on it was decent | 00:42 |
| Skrylar | and have the back side of the screen a cheap LED so it can still show a "Bob is calling" message | 00:42 |
| Skrylar | The fancy clockwork is nice and all, but sliders + hinges tend to be very short lived | 00:42 |
| acydlord | i have a samsung a930 for a phone, i love the oled screen on the outside | 00:43 |
| Skrylar | Especially the cheap, under-reinforced junk from china | 00:43 |
| acydlord | true that | 00:43 |
| acydlord | i'm waiting for a modernized version of the 2way pager, since so many people text and email more than they call anymore | 00:44 |
| Skrylar | Cost :/ | 00:44 |
| Skrylar | Sidekicks have cheap data plans | 00:44 |
| acydlord | that they do | 00:45 |
| Skrylar | What is utterly retarded is that I get charged for random SMS messages despite having "unlimited" SMS | 00:45 |
| acydlord | that sucks | 00:45 |
| acydlord | i have like 500 sms a month, i need to up that plan | 00:45 |
| Skrylar | Email, IM and web is covered. | 00:45 |
| Skrylar | I could SMS you, or call you, and the network could gouge me. | 00:45 |
| Skrylar | Or I can just Email to your SMS number >_> | 00:45 |
| acydlord | the ogo had email, im and sms all unlimited for about $20 a month | 00:45 |
| Skrylar | I should've possibly gotten the helio ocean | 00:46 |
| acydlord | but when at&t switched to cingular the first time they scrapped it | 00:46 |
| Skrylar | It's basically the helio version of a sidekick | 00:46 |
| acydlord | yeah, the ocean is nice | 00:46 |
| Skrylar | but they hacked it to run Opera | 00:46 |
| Skrylar | \o\ | 00:46 |
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| Skrylar | T-Mobile has some utterly useless mozilla cripple on the SK3 | 00:46 |
| acydlord | that sucks | 00:47 |
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| Skrylar | It won't report as a mobile device (so you don't get the handheld stylesheets HTML supports) | 00:47 |
| Skrylar | No AJAX, no flash, :/ | 00:47 |
| Skrylar | On the up note, I've only got 1.6 years left of contract :| | 00:47 |
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| acydlord | i have verizon, everything is crippled with them | 00:48 |
| Skrylar | AT&T is going "open" | 00:48 |
| Skrylar | Google Android is pushing the carriers to stop crippling everything | 00:49 |
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| acydlord | i am looking forward to them opening the network up next year as i have about 3 months shy of 2 years left on my contract | 00:49 |
| Skrylar | I wonder if I could take a phone that didn't suck and put my SK3 chip in it | 00:49 |
| Skrylar | It's just a SIM card, I think | 00:49 |
| acydlord | yeah, with t-mobile it's a sim | 00:50 |
| Skrylar | Problem is, there are no cheap tetherable phones | 00:50 |
| Skrylar | You don't even *get* bluetooth until you get in to the 400$ range | 00:50 |
| acydlord | are you serious? | 00:50 |
| acydlord | even my phone supports bluetooth dun | 00:51 |
| acydlord | and it was free | 00:51 |
| Skrylar | wuh? | 00:51 |
| Skrylar | there do exist cheap tethering phones? | 00:51 |
| Skrylar | Link plox :D | 00:51 |
| acydlord | lemme check tmobile's inventory right quick | 00:52 |
| Skrylar | I'm curious if that would show up as "data" from a sidekick | 00:52 |
| dragorn | my vzw phone after contract was like $100 | 00:52 |
| dragorn | and has bt | 00:52 |
| dragorn | most phones do now | 00:53 |
| dragorn | s/most/many/ | 00:53 |
| infobot | dragorn meant: many phones do now | 00:53 |
| dragorn | dammit | 00:53 |
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| Skrylar | Sidekicks have it | 00:53 |
| Skrylar | T-Mobile just made it useless | 00:53 |
| dragorn | anyone know if a2dp is working in the new 2008? | 00:53 |
| Skrylar | Can you even do the OS update right now? oO | 00:54 |
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| Skrylar | The servers were all down yesterday | 00:54 |
| acydlord | http://urltea.com/2ec0 | 00:54 |
| acydlord | one of t-mo's better cheap phones | 00:55 |
| K`zan | I'm waiting for the smoke to clear and see what is going on with it. I really am NOT looking forward to re-installing everything again unless there is VERY good reason. | 00:55 |
| dragorn | Skrylar: there are many links on ITT for mirros | 00:55 |
| dragorn | mirrors | 00:55 |
| Skrylar | K`zan: It's supposed to have better power management so you can run at 400mhz now | 00:56 |
| Skrylar | instead of 330 | 00:56 |
| K`zan | :-) How fast does FB reader have to run :-). | 00:57 |
| acydlord | man, i want that lg voyage | 00:57 |
| acydlord | r | 00:57 |
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| K`zan | I really am not doing that much with it, right now. After transitioning from 2007, I am waiting for apps to catch up again. | 00:57 |
| Skrylar | acydlord: Do they have any tetherables under 100$? | 00:57 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Is there a release date on OS2008 yet? | 00:58 |
| Skrylar | It's out now, supposedly | 00:58 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Linky? | 00:58 |
| acydlord | i didnt see any that are under 100 without renewing | 00:58 |
| Skrylar | Servers are down I think :( | 00:58 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Haha | 00:58 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Everyone tried to | 00:58 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Supposedly, 08 has a "back up all applications to memory card" function | 00:58 |
| Vulc|Bleh | I don't know if the beta has this, but hopefully. | 00:58 |
| Skrylar | such epic new features XD | 00:58 |
| Skrylar | "We added a GUI to tar -cjf ..." | 00:59 |
| acydlord | i havent seen the feature on the beta | 00:59 |
| * thoughtfix yawns | 00:59 | |
| K`zan | I thought it was mostly bug fixes (none of which seem to be affecting me). | 00:59 |
| dragorn | vulc: I know it backs up repos and app lists | 00:59 |
| dragorn | I didn't know it had a way to back up package content | 00:59 |
| dragorn | that'd be handy | 00:59 |
| K`zan | Sure would, I HATE reinstalling :-) | 00:59 |
| acydlord | it has application list on the backup option | 00:59 |
| Vulc|Bleh | give me a sec, going to check | 01:00 |
| dragorn | It's also somewhat unintelligent about restoring stuff, it consistently tries pidgin-otr before pidgin main, but that might be a pkg dep issue, too | 01:00 |
| K`zan | Reinstalling everything makes me thing of wincrap <shudder>. | 01:00 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Don't use pidgin? | 01:00 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Just use AIM/MSN/Whatever teleports through the jablet server | 01:00 |
| Vulc|Bleh | so you can use the built in jabber client thinger. | 01:00 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | Actually, isn't pidgin going to be built in for 08? | 01:01 |
| dragorn | at least it's smart enough to know which of the backed up list has been restored | 01:01 |
| dragorn | that's not a very constructive answer, especially considering that I was talking about OTR | 01:01 |
| dragorn | which isn't available afaik for the builtin stuff | 01:01 |
| dragorn | and I'm not going to redirect my IMs through yet another third party | 01:01 |
| dragorn | I was simply commenting, anyhow, it's not a showstopper bug | 01:01 |
| acydlord | i have way too many people on my buddy lists to use jabber transports for my im | 01:02 |
| dragorn | I don't really care what IM people use, just saying the app restore function sometimes goes stupid, but at least it recovers moderately gracefully | 01:02 |
| Skrylar | Vulc|Bleh: er | 01:03 |
| Skrylar | I believe pidgin is supposed to run on 08 | 01:03 |
| dragorn | It runs on 08, it's not included in the base firmware. | 01:03 |
| Vulc|Bleh | I thought I read somewhere that they were trying to integrate it. | 01:03 |
| Skrylar | Considering I downloaded it from the Nokia site that said it was for '08 ;) | 01:03 |
| dragorn | I suspect the restore problem is the otr package not listing pidgin-main as a dep | 01:04 |
| dragorn | or the restore function just ignores deps | 01:04 |
| NickDe | it is in the "Maemo Extra's" repo that is "disabled" with this new firmware, just need to enable it and install it + any supporting extras like OTR or sounds | 01:04 |
| acydlord | i havent had any luck with the n800 led pidgin plugin =/ | 01:04 |
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| Skrylar | I didn't know there was one | 01:09 |
| acydlord | it's in the garage listed as beta | 01:10 |
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| acydlord | that was obnoxious, my internet connection has been running like crap lately | 01:19 |
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| kaie | pwsafe is not yet available for os2008. is there something equivalent? | 01:25 |
| Skrylar | er, what's the 4byte version of a word? | 01:26 |
| Skrylar | i know it goes word and then dword, then <something> | 01:26 |
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| derf | dword is 4 bytes. | 01:26 |
| derf | But you are thinking qword. | 01:26 |
| Skrylar | qword is 2? | 01:27 |
| derf | qword is 8 bytes. | 01:27 |
| derf | q is for quad, 4 words. | 01:27 |
| Skrylar | argh, a word is apparently 2 | 01:28 |
| Skrylar | I only know these by their C names | 01:28 |
| derf | And this is all x86-specific, of course. | 01:29 |
| Skrylar | Hrmms | 01:29 |
| Skrylar | ~13 bytes, not counting alignment bloat | 01:29 |
| Skrylar | per instruction :( | 01:29 |
| Skrylar | You know | 01:30 |
| Skrylar | IIRC you can make any CISC instruction in to RISC instructions | 01:30 |
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| Skrylar | I should just do that | 01:30 |
| derf | Most modern processors do, internally. | 01:30 |
| Skrylar | The storage of instructions isn't dependent on x86 | 01:30 |
| Skrylar | :) | 01:30 |
| Skrylar | Because what's happening is a decoder is reading the binary code and converting it to SkryCPUVM | 01:31 |
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| Skrylar | which can actually be RISC | 01:31 |
| derf | I'm just saying, this became standard practice over a decade ago. | 01:31 |
| Skrylar | :P | 01:31 |
| Skrylar | I've never messed around this low level before, so I wouldn't know much about it. | 01:32 |
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| Skrylar | ARM is RISC | 01:32 |
| Skrylar | so.. hrm | 01:33 |
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| Skrylar | derf: I think what I need to do is basically do a JIT | 01:33 |
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| Skrylar | Where it does the x86->skvm at runtime so as to be able to arbitrarily execute whatever a program is trying to do, but somehow set it up to recognize common sets of label/return sequences so it can make ARM equivalents of those on the n800 | 01:34 |
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| ds3 | is there a port of qemu for the N800? | 02:14 |
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| port | I was trying to flash new image, but my N800 just got stuck on the initial NOKIA screen. Flasher utility never got passed "Suitable USB device not found". How do I reboot the N800? | 03:11 |
| port | Power button doesn't work | 03:11 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | port: Remove the battery? I think thats the only way to "reset" it | 03:19 |
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| port | Vulc|Bleh: Yeah that worked | 03:24 |
| port | Vulc|Bleh: But is it ever hard to get out. | 03:24 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Yeah | 03:24 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | dunno how well this will work, but try slipping something under and around it before you put it in | 03:25 |
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| port | Is the application restore feature suppposed to have worked between OS2008 Beta -> OS2008 ? | 03:32 |
| gm | ahh yeah, i should upgrade to the final :) | 03:36 |
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| |R | port: ./flasher-3.0 -R maybe ? | 04:05 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | Ok, so, is there anything different between 2008 beta and 2008? | 04:37 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Anything noticeably* | 04:37 |
| Vulc|Bleh | I'm not sure if I flashed the right one, options does not help me | 04:37 |
| Vulc|Bleh | about product gives me "Version: <Unknown>" | 04:38 |
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| jaharkes_ | if extras contains a 'get started' menu item you have the latest 2008 | 04:46 |
| jaharkes_ | (I don't think I saw that in the beta) | 04:46 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | Nope :( | 04:50 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Wait | 04:50 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Restoring from backup would kill that, right? | 04:50 |
| Vulc|Bleh | I only have "Help" in extras | 04:50 |
| jaharkes_ | I think I restored from backups | 04:51 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Well, this sucks. | 04:51 |
| jaharkes_ | but I didn't reshuffle the menus too much | 04:51 |
| Vulc|Bleh | I downloaded the flasher, booted into linux, coppied it over from the NTFS volume because I was lazy, and must have gotten the wrong one | 04:51 |
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| K`zan | Doe they ever update "fresh" on the 2008 downloads page or does a re-release count as a new app there? | 05:00 |
| K`zan | Very confusing and a good chunk of them aren't even there :-(. | 05:01 |
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| pupnik | Thu Dec 20 06:06:18 CET 2007 | 07:06 |
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| FNS_136501 | hi | 07:10 |
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| |R | does iphome for 2007 works with 2008? :) | 07:19 |
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| skibur | I think I found a bug in the browser | 07:37 |
| skibur | I need someone to confirm | 07:37 |
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| pupnik_ | no such thing | 07:38 |
| skibur | ok N800 - OS2008 Application not responding when zooming pass %100 when viewing the Home page of http://internettablettalk.com | 07:41 |
| unique311 | i think the new os as a whole is a bug. | 07:41 |
| unique311 | can't freaking install apps speedy like i use to. | 07:41 |
| unique311 | slow as hell to install stuff. | 07:42 |
| unique311 | takes forever on the dl | 07:42 |
| skibur | Can someone confirm this bug | 07:42 |
| skibur | let me generate the error message | 07:42 |
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| skibur | (!) Web - Internet Tablet Talk no responding | 07:45 |
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| pupnik_ | skibur: how does it work on other sites? | 07:48 |
| pupnik_ | A bug that happens only on one site is generally not a browser fault. | 07:49 |
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| jaharkes_ | heh, last time I tried internettablettalk on my 770 it crashed the browser, kind of ironic to have a site dedicated to internet tablets which doesn't work on them. | 07:49 |
| pupnik_ | works great with links browser :) | 07:51 |
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| pupnik_ | unique311: the slowness is in the download, not in the OS. right? | 07:52 |
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| unique311 | pupnik_, not sure...and really dissapointed. | 07:54 |
| unique311 | yesteday it was 4 repos giving problems. | 07:54 |
| unique311 | today it was only 2 | 07:54 |
| skibur | It works fine on the sites I visit | 07:54 |
| unique311 | but still some of the stuff i was trying to install, didn't want to play well | 07:54 |
| tank-man | maybe too many people are trying to update? | 07:55 |
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| skibur | yeah, its not the OS | 07:56 |
| skibur | everybody is trying to download apps all at once | 07:56 |
| unique311 | why would updating the OS be messing up, installing apps. | 07:56 |
| skibur | links? The terminal browser? | 07:56 |
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| pupnik_ | yeah but with graphics and stylus support | 07:57 |
| pupnik_ | needs a bt keyboard though, or xkbd | 07:57 |
| pupnik_ | never crashes, small and fast | 07:57 |
| skibur | now my browser crashed on me | 07:58 |
| skibur | it has to be a bug | 07:58 |
| skibur | Do you have OS2008 or OS2007 pupnik? | 07:59 |
| unique311 | my application manager crashed alot. | 07:59 |
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| unique311 | so i just gave up on trying to install stuff. | 07:59 |
| pupnik_ | 2006 old skuul | 08:00 |
| skibur | cool | 08:00 |
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| skibur | wow, I have updates for N800 - OS2008 already? | 08:01 |
| skibur | 84k | 08:01 |
| skibur | woah I tried to install it, but it gives me a notice that it is from another untrusted source. | 08:02 |
| pupnik | install what? | 08:03 |
| pupnik | i wonder if anyone has been brave enough to open their n810 yet and post pics | 08:04 |
| pupnik | Ars Technica on the N810: "The absence of spacing between the keys makes it very easy to fatfinger your typing." | 08:06 |
| pupnik | hah new verb: 'fatfinger' | 08:06 |
| skibur | Operating System updates on my OS2008 | 08:07 |
| pupnik | ok. surprising skibur | 08:07 |
| pupnik | you sure it's not an updae of a non-OS package? | 08:08 |
| pupnik | have you installed any non-nokia software? | 08:08 |
| pupnik | maybe the update is for a piece of non-nokia software | 08:08 |
| pupnik | "After using the hardware keyboard on the N810 for several days, I switched back to the N800 for a few days for comparison purposes. " | 08:09 |
| pupnik | "Trying to use the command line on the N800 without the hardware keyboard seems painful to me now." | 08:09 |
| tontsa | well some repos carry newer bluez-utils which you can't install since nokia's stuff depend on specific version | 08:09 |
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| skibur | hum... switching back to the blue pill | 08:13 |
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| skibur | is there a good website that shows all the repos? | 08:14 |
| tontsa | in the topic there's http://www.gronmayer.com/it which is pretty good | 08:15 |
| skibur | I would like to see what apps they have | 08:15 |
| skibur | o ok | 08:15 |
| skibur | thanks | 08:15 |
| pupnik | Ars Technica: "The vast majority of third-party software applications available for OS2007 haven't been ported to OS2008 yet, but users can expect to see a lot more third-party software become available next month when developers begin to get the devices." | 08:15 |
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| tontsa | well there has been quite a lot of new stuff within few days | 08:16 |
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| pupnik | "I have communicated with several developers who work on Maemo ports of popular desktop Linux applications. Many of them are close to completing OS2008 ports and just need to do more testing on an actual device before officially releasing their work." | 08:18 |
| pupnik | I'll STFU about that now. Sorry. | 08:19 |
| pupnik | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/4 | 08:20 |
| kulve | inz: what's "ui-rework-inz-refactor"? | 08:22 |
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| pupnik | Thinking positive doesn't make things better, it makes you a better person | 08:39 |
| tank-man | some would say that is just delusion | 08:40 |
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| Khertan | pupnik: someone have talk with the writer of arstechnica ? | 08:51 |
| pupnik | Khertan: i don't know | 08:52 |
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| skibur | any program that can read doc files? | 09:08 |
| astro76 | Abiword AFAIK | 09:09 |
| hahlo | probably not even strings work | 09:09 |
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| |R | not yet ready for 2008 from what i gathered though... :/ | 09:09 |
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| skibur | o ok | 09:14 |
| skibur | I was hoping for another one | 09:14 |
| skibur | abiword needs work | 09:14 |
| skibur | I was thinking of porting a document converter | 09:14 |
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| skibur | doc to txt txt to doc chm to pdf etc.... | 09:15 |
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| skibur | I know that Slackware has these app based console by default | 09:16 |
| skibur | wondering if it will be useful | 09:16 |
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| hahlo | it would be cool to replace maemo with slack yes | 09:17 |
| skibur | lol | 09:19 |
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| gm | slackware? heh | 09:24 |
| gm | slackware? heh | 09:25 |
| gm | whoops | 09:25 |
| skibur | Slackware is my distro | 09:26 |
| skibur | I´m running Slackware 12 on my desktop and laptop | 09:26 |
| DeLe0n | skibur: i was trying to install armed slack on an at91rm9200 | 09:27 |
| DeLe0n | skibur: have u heard about armed slackware? | 09:28 |
| sbz | but, slackware has poor package managers, so it wouldn't be not interested to write our own slackbuild to get maemo software :/ | 09:28 |
| skibur | I was reading on that myself | 09:28 |
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| skibur | yeah | 09:28 |
| skibur | slacky is to simple that its hard to keep up with updates | 09:29 |
| gm | i'd go debian if anything :) | 09:29 |
| skibur | but at the sametime, I really don´t need features but reliability | 09:30 |
| skibur | debian is good | 09:30 |
| sbz | i prefer freebsd :) | 09:30 |
| gm | ok, you port the kernel then :) | 09:30 |
| skibur | I´m loving my bluetooth iGo Keyboard | 09:30 |
| hahlo | most eastern europe hackers seems to use slack | 09:30 |
| skibur | lol | 09:30 |
| skibur | I´m from TEXAS | 09:31 |
| skibur | way down south | 09:31 |
| DeLe0n | skibur where? | 09:31 |
| skibur | where the murder rate is freak high as well | 09:31 |
| hahlo | I'm from east europe | 09:31 |
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| sbz | gm: i heard about freebsd arm, but i don't know anything about this port | 09:32 |
| gm | it would be rather interesting having freebsd on the nokias though | 09:32 |
| skibur | I near Nuevo Laredo, Mexico | 09:32 |
| skibur | *I´m | 09:32 |
| DeLe0n | skibur: I'm from Monterrey, Mexico | 09:33 |
| skibur | nice | 09:33 |
| DeLe0n | near... | 09:33 |
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| sbz | I'm from Paris, France | 09:33 |
| skibur | skibur = skybur = rubiks | 09:34 |
| DeLe0n | sss paris... i heard a mexican girl fell from the eiffel tower last week... don't know if its true | 09:34 |
| hahlo | sbz: do you know place called louvre? | 09:34 |
| skibur | Laredo? | 09:35 |
| sbz | hahlo: yeah it's an art museum | 09:35 |
| hahlo | sbz: there is computer lab under it. friend works there | 09:36 |
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| sbz | hahlo: you can see lot of painting from different century art movement | 09:36 |
| sbz | hahlo: hehe | 09:37 |
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| skibur | well need to jet | 09:39 |
| skibur | later hackers and users alike | 09:39 |
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| * tigert <3's adblock plus for os2008 | 09:40 | |
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| pupnik | tigert: what kind of adblock database do you use? does a large adblock list slow down browsing? | 09:45 |
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| tigert | I have no clue | 09:49 |
| tigert | it JustWorks(tm) | 09:49 |
| tigert | I think there is no ui to tweak it | 09:49 |
| tigert | will have to look | 09:49 |
| tigert | at my laptop i use filterset.g updater | 09:49 |
| tigert | which works nicely | 09:49 |
| sbz | pupnik: i use this http://adblockrules.org/download.php | 09:53 |
| sbz | it works fine | 09:53 |
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| pupnik | the new browser is the biggest software event in the maemo world imo | 09:56 |
| pupnik | congratulations to everyone who worked on it | 09:56 |
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| pupnik | The little devil on my shoulder is saying "Hildonize Dillo!" | 09:57 |
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| cy3o3 | damn | 10:02 |
| cy3o3 | os2k8 *still* intermittent :( | 10:02 |
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| guerby | wow, the repo situation isn't fixed yet? | 10:33 |
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| timelyx | acydlord: ogo or oqo? | 10:40 |
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| timelyx | Vulc|Sleepysleep: the backup stores the names of apps, not the apps | 10:42 |
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| timelyx | pupnik: i've had links crash :) | 10:46 |
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| pupnik | wow. good job :) | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
| timelyx | morning | 10:49 |
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| L0cutus | the best thing to do for who is reinstalling all after os2k8, is to disable the "delete cached apt packages" in red pill mode and then install all the apps via xterm and apt-get, than save all the packages found on /var/cache/apt/archives/ in SD for backup | 10:56 |
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| L0cutus | after that is possible with dpkg to reinstall all this packages automatically | 10:57 |
| L0cutus | (i've read this on itt) | 10:57 |
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| guardian | morning | 11:12 |
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| L0cutus | seems canola2 is available for install :) | 11:21 |
| L0cutus | but unable to install due to missing deps | 11:21 |
| chenca | L0cutus: wait , in a few minutes Canola 2 will be available | 11:22 |
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| L0cutus | wow :) | 11:24 |
| L0cutus | thanks | 11:24 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:25 |
| jeddy3 | seriuosly? that will make my whole day! :) | 11:26 |
| AD-N770 | the problems with the maemo repository are not fixed yet? | 11:26 |
| jeddy3 | man, have i been missing canola since os2008 upgrade! | 11:27 |
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| chenca | we need to check the rep, hold on | 11:27 |
| AD-N770 | I also will upload nethack and tuner tool for IT2008 today :) | 11:27 |
| AD-N770 | but I've chinook beta and I would like to upgrade to final in order to do the builds, but the repo is not working | 11:29 |
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| timelyx | ad: out of curiosity, if you ping repository.maemo.org, what host does it list? | 11:39 |
| timelyx | from one box, i get akamai and from the other i get edgesuite | 11:39 |
| gpd | kagu is broken on 2008 for me - no such file or directory error | 11:41 |
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| acydlord | timelyx, it was an ogo | 11:43 |
| AD-N770 | timelyx: a515.g.akamai.net (84.53.146.16) | 11:43 |
| timelyx | acydlord: hrm, i'lll have to look that up | 11:43 |
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| acydlord | i just noticed that the maemo.org repo and the firmware update just started working for me again | 11:44 |
| acydlord | timelyx, http://ogo.com | 11:44 |
| acydlord | from the site it looks like they added a phone feature to the ogo and it is out in parts of europe now | 11:44 |
| gpd | kagu is now working on 2008 forme - python2.5-cairo required | 11:44 |
| timelyx | cute, a gameboy for people who like keyboards | 11:44 |
| acydlord | it's pretty much a sidekick without the phone portion, well was when i had it | 11:45 |
| timelyx | so is the repository actually slow? | 11:48 |
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| timelyx | because form my perspective, it seems fast | 11:48 |
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| acydlord | it seems to be going a wee bit sow now | 11:50 |
| acydlord | at least the extras repo is | 11:51 |
| acydlord | havent downloaded anything from the main repo yet other than the new OS image | 11:51 |
| acydlord | but that only took about a minute 30 | 11:51 |
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| acydlord | wow, hildon-application-manager is running at 121% | 11:55 |
| acydlord | 208% lol | 11:55 |
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| timelyx | i'm sure the repository won't appreciate what i'm doing very much, but it seems to be relatively responsive | 11:56 |
| acydlord | lol, what are you doing to it? | 11:57 |
| timelyx | downloading dists/* and pool/* | 11:58 |
| acydlord | no wonder it's laggy for some of us =x | 11:58 |
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| timelyx | i started after you complained | 11:58 |
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| timelyx | it's only giving me ~12K/s | 11:59 |
| acydlord | anyone else have map showing up in availible updates but then complaining about being installed from a different source when you go to update it? | 11:59 |
| timelyx | cute | 12:00 |
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| cy3o3 | Damn | 12:04 |
| cy3o3 | I cannot get os2k8 to finish :( | 12:05 |
| timelyx | "finish"? | 12:05 |
| cy3o3 | yeah, the d/l keeps stopping | 12:05 |
| cy3o3 | 12mb, sometimes 35mb, sometimes 6mb, etc :P Really annoying | 12:05 |
| acydlord | it was giving me timeouts and corrupt files earlier, then about 15 min ago it worked | 12:05 |
| timelyx | please call nokia care and complain :) | 12:05 |
| timelyx | (seriously) | 12:05 |
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| acydlord | well the topic says the problem is being worked on | 12:06 |
| cy3o3 | yeah | 12:06 |
| timelyx | acydlord: complaints are still useful | 12:06 |
| gpd | [canola2 downloads... along with a *lot* of other stuff] | 12:07 |
| acydlord | canola2 released now? | 12:07 |
| * timelyx needs to add -np to these wgets | 12:07 | |
| acydlord | i like this restore applications feature | 12:07 |
| gpd | canola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb | 12:08 |
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| chenca | in a few minutes :-) but, we are testing the repository | 12:09 |
| chenca | so you can test too | 12:09 |
| acydlord | i see | 12:10 |
| gpd | I am running it now - :D | 12:10 |
| chenca | gpd: this version canola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb ??? | 12:11 |
| chenca | or the new one? | 12:11 |
| gpd | no - just the one above - but new to me | 12:11 |
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| * flip^ peers at chenca ... is canola2's beta out? | 12:16 | |
| jeddy3 | canola2 is SWEET! | 12:16 |
| jeddy3 | good work if anyone involved is listening | 12:17 |
| etrunko | flip^: run for it | 12:17 |
| chenca | in a few minutes... I hope | 12:17 |
| etrunko | bora and chinook are available | 12:17 |
| AD-N770 | there's someone that could create a package for me on a final chinook build env? | 12:17 |
| AD-N770 | source is at http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner-0.10.3.tar.gz | 12:17 |
| timelyx | AD-N770: nice package name :) | 12:17 |
| timelyx | or something. whatever n770galaxy is | 12:17 |
| Ryback_ | jeddy3: yep, we're here! | 12:18 |
| AD-N770 | just umpack and run dpkg-buildpackage | 12:18 |
| Ryback_ | jeddy3: we're releasing the site in a few minutes | 12:18 |
| AD-N770 | timelyx: my blog is http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com/ :) | 12:18 |
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| jeddy3 | Ryback_, etrunko, chenca and all others: GOOD work! | 12:19 |
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| timelyx | btw, nethack is one of the few apps i use/like :) | 12:19 |
| gpd | Is it sensible to run my /media/mmc1 as ext2/3 ? | 12:19 |
| chenca | jeddy3: thanks!! | 12:19 |
| Ryback_ | jeddy3: thanks | 12:19 |
| Ryback_ | gpd: nope | 12:19 |
| timelyx | gpd: plan on plugging your device into a mac/pc anytime soon? | 12:19 |
| cmarcelo | jeddy3: if you have a blog, make a post about canola2 ;-) | 12:20 |
| gpd | Ryback_: timelyx I only plug into Linux | 12:20 |
| jeddy3 | cmarcelo, sorry don't have one | 12:20 |
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| Ryback_ | jeddy3: and file bug reports if you find any problems | 12:20 |
| cmarcelo | jeddy3: ...or give some feedback in the new site we'll publish in a few minutes :) | 12:20 |
| Ryback_ | :-) | 12:20 |
| AD-N770 | timelyx: I expect upload packages for IT2k8 of nethack and tuner tool today | 12:21 |
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| chenca | dam designers, always delaying the release :-) | 12:21 |
| jeddy3 | ok...just playing with the interface still...but one thing i thought of right away (and i don't intend to whine, cause overall it's great) ...but movies doesn't fullscreen on clicking them? | 12:22 |
| Ryback_ | lol | 12:22 |
| flip^ | chenca: run... for it..? | 12:22 |
| timelyx | chenca: that doesn't happen here :) | 12:22 |
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| flip^ | still looks like a delay notice on the web site :( | 12:22 |
| jeddy3 | only since you asked for feedback :) | 12:22 |
| Ryback_ | flip^: yep, just a few more minutes to the site be available | 12:22 |
| flip^ | aaah | 12:23 |
| flip^ | you guys the developers, or just in the know? ;) | 12:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | jeddy3: thanks =) (with some delay) | 12:23 |
| jeddy3 | you all earned it | 12:24 |
| etrunko | flip^: it's already available on extras repository | 12:24 |
| flip^ | aah | 12:24 |
| flip^ | are the repositories behaving today, i wonder | 12:24 |
| Ryback_ | jeddy3: the movies should go to fullscreen when you click them | 12:24 |
| chenca | flip^: don't tell to anyone, please :-) | 12:24 |
| flip^ | chenca: i wouldn't dream of it | 12:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe | 12:24 |
| jeddy3 | Ryback_, wait let me double check...no...doesn't happen | 12:26 |
| etrunko | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/canola2 | 12:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | jeddy3: hhmm, strange...I'll take a look on that... | 12:27 |
| jeddy3 | they do go fullscreen on fullscreen button anyway | 12:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | hhmm... | 12:28 |
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| rothiel | Hello World :) | 12:29 |
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| acydlord | hmm, i'm getting an invalid key from the nokia repo | 12:34 |
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| L0cutus | maemo repo are a real disaster... | 12:39 |
| acydlord | that they are | 12:39 |
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| acydlord | well i'm off to bed, hopefully i'll have better luck with the repos in the morning before i leave | 12:40 |
| jeddy3 | how does one get album covers for that canola can read? | 12:40 |
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| MoRpHeUz | chenca: ^^^ | 12:41 |
| chenca | hum... this is not automatically yet, but you can use a python script to do this for you | 12:41 |
| chenca | jeddy3: can you run a python script in your device? (using ssh maybe) | 12:42 |
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| jeddy3 | chenca, yes thats fine with me, i'll wan't to do this for my entire collection for all players anyway | 12:42 |
| jeddy3 | chenca, sure | 12:42 |
| acydlord | is tere a way to dump and refresh the gpg kys for the repos? | 12:43 |
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| chenca | jeddy3: go to this site http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/chenca/canola-tuning.git;a=tree | 12:44 |
| chenca | there you'll find 2 python scripts, one to download album cover from Amazon and Last.Fm and other to generate video thumbnails | 12:45 |
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| jeddy3 | chenca, thanks! | 12:45 |
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| * pupnik refreshes | 12:46 | |
| chenca | Canola2 store the album covers by default in ".canola/covers/<AUTHOR>/<ALBUM/cover-[i].jpg " | 12:46 |
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| * Jaffa still thinks that's a backward step and Canola shouldn't have lost the "use cover.jpg from within the dir" (even if it does then cache it internally. End-users aren't going to download Python scripts from random git trees either ;-) | 12:49 | |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Just change the code if it bothers you? :) | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | Given the funky album art view, and the focus given to the album art within the music player - I'm surprised it's not a show-stopper. | 12:49 |
| * flip^ glares at his canola download sitting about 10% into the 6mb download :S | 12:50 | |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed :-/ | 12:50 |
| * jeddy3 agrees | 12:50 | |
| chenca | Jaffa: I will change the script to look inside the local dirs, so you can get you covers from Amazon, Last.fm or loacl dirs | 12:50 |
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| Jaffa | chenca: that'd be cool. presumably there are plans to bundle the script internally at some point? | 12:51 |
| cosmo_ | i just tested colleague's n810.. i'm VERY impressed | 12:51 |
| chenca | for sure, but I can't say when :-) | 12:51 |
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| pupnik | http://www.mautner.ca/projects/hifi/usbdac.html interfacing a USB DAC to your amplifier for low-noise playback from a linux machine | 12:53 |
| ccooke | Are there any trusted mirrors of the os2008 update? | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | I wonder why the repositories can be so slow. They are hosted by Akamai. They tend to have great geographical caches? | 12:55 |
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| ccooke | pass. Horribly slow, though. | 12:55 |
| tank-man | ive seen it on many torrent sites | 12:56 |
| ccooke | anyone got a good md5sum of the image? | 12:56 |
| tank-man | check the md5sum after downloading | 12:56 |
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| * MoRpHeUz officially launchs Canola2 Beta: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/ | 12:58 | |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 12:58 |
| dorto | yay! | 12:59 |
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| chenca | We are very happy to announce that the new version of Canola is now available! | 12:59 |
| cy3o3 | well I give up on downloading os2k8 for today | 13:00 |
| cy3o3 | christ | 13:00 |
| cy3o3 | heh | 13:00 |
| ccooke | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/all | 13:00 |
| ccooke | much faster downloads there | 13:00 |
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| ccooke | Hmm. Any rules on *not* topicing that url? | 13:03 |
| timelyx | yes | 13:03 |
| ccooke | it looks like it would be useful to people | 13:03 |
| timelyx | the license you agreed to prohibits doing that | 13:03 |
| ccooke | ah ha. | 13:03 |
| ccooke | fair enough, then | 13:03 |
| timelyx | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/272825 | 13:03 |
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| timelyx | those are the rules (forever) that you clearly didn't read | 13:04 |
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| timelyx | ccooke: complain to nokia care | 13:04 |
| timelyx | personally, my favorite part of the rules is that if i have 2 devices, afaict from reading them, i'm expected to download it twice :) | 13:04 |
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| ccooke | the rules also seem to contradict the GPL... | 13:05 |
| timelyx | the rules cover stuff not governed by gpl | 13:06 |
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| timelyx | some of which is stuff nokia has under license | 13:06 |
| ccooke | oh, I know | 13:06 |
| ccooke | and I expect that | 13:06 |
| timelyx | as for "combining" GPL w/ non gpl | 13:06 |
| timelyx | my general understanding is that GPL covers linked and executable binaries | 13:06 |
| ccooke | I just haven't yet found the part where their claims that you can't do anything with the stuff only apply where there isn't another license | 13:07 |
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| timelyx | i don't believe it specifically covers miscellaneous tarballs | 13:07 |
| ccooke | not quite | 13:07 |
| ccooke | This image is a *distribution* | 13:07 |
| timelyx | gpl does have some requirements, but those are honored | 13:07 |
| timelyx | if you ask nokia for sources, they will send you them | 13:07 |
| timelyx | iirc on a cd | 13:07 |
| ccooke | which means that Nokia are compelled by the license to include all sources *and allow you to make derivative works*. | 13:08 |
| ccooke | it's perfectly acceptable, though, for them to block you from altering the rest | 13:08 |
| timelyx | not include | 13:08 |
| timelyx | never include | 13:08 |
| timelyx | only make available to you at request | 13:08 |
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| ccooke | sorry, yes. poor choice of word. | 13:08 |
| timelyx | very different | 13:08 |
| gm | as long as it's not sveasoft-style... | 13:09 |
| timelyx | anyway, keep in mind that if *you* re-distribute GPL files, *you* fall under the GPL obligations | 13:09 |
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| ccooke | timelyx: Naturally. | 13:09 |
| timelyx | so if e.g., you get foo-gpl-1.0 from nokia today | 13:09 |
| ccooke | I have no actual problem with nokia in this regard, btw | 13:10 |
| timelyx | and you put the binary for foo-gpl-1.0 onto a server today | 13:10 |
| timelyx | and nokia stops distributing it today | 13:10 |
| inz | oo, the browser supports ipv6, yay | 13:10 |
| timelyx | and i download it from you tomorrow | 13:10 |
| kulve | inz: really? nice :) | 13:10 |
| timelyx | inz: of course | 13:10 |
| inz | kulve, it's disabled by default, but supported | 13:10 |
| timelyx | then i can complain to you on the very last day of the gpl's license terms asking for source | 13:10 |
| timelyx | but you can't get the source from nokia, because your grant from them would have expired | 13:10 |
| kulve | inz: did you notice my earlier question? | 13:10 |
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| inz | kulve, which one? | 13:11 |
| timelyx | you're then up a very odd creek without a paddle :) | 13:11 |
| kulve | 08:22 | 13:11 |
| ccooke | timelyx: not really | 13:11 |
| * timelyx waits for an explanation | 13:11 | |
| inz | kulve, I tried to fix some code uglinesses in the "ui-rework" osso-xterm | 13:11 |
| ccooke | timelyx: /me double-checks - it's actually been a while since I read the GPL :-) | 13:12 |
| kulve | inz: should the 2008 version support launching the term like "xterm command"? | 13:12 |
| timelyx | i suppose i should pin to a specific version of gpl too | 13:12 |
| inz | kulve, I think it should, not sure | 13:12 |
| kulve | inz: I couldn't get it working with a quick try.. | 13:12 |
| inz | kulve, they might have broken it, I wash my hands of the bundled version ;) | 13:12 |
| ccooke | gotcha. | 13:12 |
| ccooke | timelyx: go on, then? | 13:13 |
| kulve | inz: I want the old version back :) | 13:13 |
| timelyx | gpl2 - http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php | 13:13 |
| ccooke | timelyx: althguoh v2 seems the most sensible for this purpose, being the most common. | 13:13 |
| ccooke | timelyx: Okay, then. I will get you the source. | 13:13 |
| ccooke | timelyx: *at my cost* | 13:13 |
| inz | kulve, it's in the trunk, I guess I should fix it | 13:13 |
| ccooke | timelyx: that cost, if the source is no longer available, may be prohibitive | 13:13 |
| timelyx | see 3.b. | 13:13 |
| inz | kulve, IIRC it doesn't quite compile on any target currently | 13:13 |
| timelyx | 3. You may copy and distribute the Program | 13:14 |
| timelyx | b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three | 13:14 |
| timelyx | years, to give any third party | 13:14 |
| ccooke | timelyx: for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution | 13:14 |
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| * timelyx smells a weasel | 13:15 | |
| kulve | inz: please do :) | 13:15 |
| ccooke | if I have no copy of the source and no original vendor, then I'd have to obtain a copy. I would then pass that cost (and only that cost) to you. | 13:15 |
| timelyx | ccooke: i don't understand how that helps | 13:15 |
| kulve | inz: I'm ready to test it, if there's need | 13:15 |
| timelyx | ccooke: hrm, interesting | 13:15 |
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| timelyx | but you'd be obligated to do that, yes? | 13:15 |
| ccooke | timelyx: oh yes | 13:15 |
| timelyx | if you go bankrupt first and fail to accomplish, can you recover your costs? :) | 13:16 |
| ccooke | timelyx: well, the license makes no statement as to whether you charge *before* or *after* | 13:16 |
| timelyx | hrm | 13:17 |
| ccooke | timelyx: I suspect the only way to do this would be via repeated invoice with due dilligence, to prove I'm using the cheapest methods possible | 13:17 |
| flip^ | hmm, is the upnp stuff not in canola2 after all? | 13:17 |
| timelyx | i believe i'm actually used to people asking for postage in advance | 13:17 |
| timelyx | so yes, i can see that | 13:17 |
| timelyx | but yeah, that'd be i nteresting | 13:17 |
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| lardman | Is canola open source now? | 13:18 |
| ccooke | timelyx: of course... if I *failed* to comply, I'd merely lose the right to distribute that file under the GPL | 13:18 |
| chenca | lardman: some parts are | 13:18 |
| timelyx | ccooke: which i suppose you wouldn't mind losing | 13:18 |
| timelyx | cheater | 13:18 |
| kulve | inz: the kernel doesn't have ipv6 turned on by default, right? | 13:19 |
| chenca | flip^: the UPnP functionality will be provide in a plugin, this plugin will be available soon | 13:19 |
| ccooke | timelyx: and I doubt the whole problem would stand up in court - taking someone to court over something like that would look far too much like a premeditated attempt to cause trouble for somoene | 13:19 |
| lardman | chenca: which parts aren't, or is that on the site somewhere? | 13:19 |
| timelyx | ccooke: anyway, the problem is that the same weaseling can be done by someone bigger | 13:19 |
| flip^ | chenca: ah, cool... it'll be nice to have everything in one media application finally :) | 13:19 |
| timelyx | they could stop distributing their binary on some day | 13:19 |
| timelyx | and stop distributing the sources for it on the same day | 13:20 |
| chenca | lardman: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/developer.html | 13:20 |
| timelyx | claiming they've relinquished the right to distribute that binary :) | 13:20 |
| ccooke | timelyx: *nod* | 13:20 |
| timelyx | which is really not the goal of gpl | 13:20 |
| timelyx | so one would hope that *that* is not really acceptable | 13:20 |
| ccooke | timelyx: on the other hand... they could never then release an updated or *related* version | 13:20 |
| ccooke | and that doesn't work as a business model | 13:20 |
| lardman | Atabake then, the media engine | 13:20 |
| ccooke | timelyx: basically, that's a tactic that would not *work* for any reasonably large company | 13:21 |
| * timelyx nods | 13:22 | |
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| timelyx | ccooke: iirc there have been amusing instances of this sort of thing basically killing small linux distributions | 13:22 |
| ccooke | oh? | 13:23 |
| timelyx | slashdot article from a few years past | 13:23 |
| timelyx | i can't think of any useful way to search for it | 13:24 |
| timelyx | but basically it revolved around distributions which basically collected files from other distributions to make tiny distros | 13:24 |
| ccooke | ahh | 13:24 |
| timelyx | but they didn't have the resources to host the sources | 13:24 |
| timelyx | the sources would of course be much larger than the distro | 13:24 |
| tontsa | that same question was raised with the various ubuntu editions | 13:25 |
| ccooke | (you know, it's really nice using a linux PDA that's got working *USB2*) | 13:25 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: hrm, did you read part 5 of the os license? :) | 13:25 |
| ccooke | (reflashing *should* only take moments) | 13:25 |
| timelyx | sp3000: um,... . | 13:25 |
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| ccooke | tontsa: ... but ubuntu *does* have sources | 13:25 |
| timelyx | yeah i read that | 13:25 |
| timelyx | it was um... odd? | 13:25 |
| tontsa | ccooke, yeah but those various unofficial spin-offs | 13:25 |
| timelyx | oh wait | 13:25 |
| timelyx | right, that means that no matter how many times i download it | 13:26 |
| timelyx | i can still only install it on one device | 13:26 |
| timelyx | gotcha :) | 13:26 |
| timelyx | sp3000: did i misread anything? | 13:26 |
| timelyx | ooh | 13:27 |
| timelyx | i missed that part | 13:27 |
| sp3000 | depends | 13:27 |
| timelyx | you're not allowed to use the old software for more than 90 days after getting newer software | 13:27 |
| timelyx | i wonder if my 770 is in violation | 13:27 |
| timelyx | it's running mistral | 13:28 |
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| timelyx | although, i don't believe i've ever *received* gregale | 13:28 |
| sp3000 | I guess you need to delete cookies or wait for them to expire so you can agree again :) | 13:28 |
| timelyx | ? | 13:28 |
| sp3000 | for the former, not the latter | 13:29 |
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| sp3000 | oh well, enough magic, time for lunch | 13:29 |
| timelyx | i'll see you there | 13:29 |
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| gm | repository.maemo.org is acting very strange | 13:34 |
| gm | it's alternating between coming down at 300k/s, and timing out | 13:34 |
| gm | 5 seconds apart | 13:35 |
| youam | gm: sounds like a broken load balancer | 13:36 |
| gm | yeah, that's my guess | 13:36 |
| gm | it beats down all the time :) | 13:37 |
| ccooke | So, does anyone know what's changed in the new release? | 13:37 |
| ccooke | I didn't see a changelog or anything on the Nokia site | 13:38 |
| gm | "getting started" is in the help menu | 13:38 |
| lardman | ccooke: there is a changelog | 13:38 |
| ccooke | hmm | 13:39 |
| ccooke | I must be blind, then. *goes to look again* | 13:39 |
| lardman | ccooke: linked from the maemo.org news item, lists changed package versions | 13:39 |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html | 13:39 |
| ccooke | ah, thanks! | 13:39 |
| lardman | np | 13:39 |
| ccooke | ls | 13:41 |
| ccooke | grr | 13:41 |
| lardman | man grr | 13:42 |
| ccooke | No manual entry for grr | 13:43 |
| lardman | I thought it might be the command to scare away segfaults | 13:44 |
| inz | kulve, no it doesn't, and as the ipv6 has hooks everywhere, it is not even enough to have a module, you need the whole kernel | 13:44 |
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| inz | kulve, try http://inz.fi/osso-xterm_0.13.mh25_armel.deb (no guarantees ;) | 13:44 |
| kulve | inz: sorry. I can't test right now because my device is in loan. I'll try it later today or tomorrow :/ | 13:45 |
| inz | kulve, you probably need to install it with dpkg manually, as it's a "downgrade" and you may not replace packages from other repos | 13:46 |
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| lardman | chenca: so you plan to be able to scale running video? | 13:46 |
| lardman | chenca: or rather change the scaling as it's running | 13:46 |
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| lardman | chenca: how do you plan to achieve this, opengl....? | 13:48 |
| chenca | lardman: opengl ? | 13:48 |
| chenca | lardman: no way... | 13:49 |
| lardman | how will you be able to change the scaling of running video? | 13:49 |
| lardman | reading handful's post here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=94999 | 13:49 |
| chenca | lardman: let me see this :-) | 13:50 |
| lardman | or is it just a wishlist? | 13:50 |
| lardman | grep "scale video in realtime" | 13:50 |
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| chenca | lardman: ok, heheheh designers :-) But our intention is to use libXine to help on this | 13:53 |
| lardman | chenca: ok, I was wondering if you had some knowledge about the PowerVR that was behind this statement, but it appears to be a wish rather than a plan | 13:53 |
| chenca | lardman: I believe that handful is talking about a simple and smooth transition from non-fullscreen to fullscreen | 13:54 |
| pupnik | bleh | 13:54 |
| lardman | yes, but is that possible with the processing power available? | 13:54 |
| lardman | i.e. is that wish realistic (unless libXine has some crafty trick up its sleeve)? | 13:56 |
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| chenca | lardman: we don't have the answer yet, but when we start this new version of canola nobody believes in the effects and transitions (photo screen) , but we got | 13:57 |
| flip^ | is the osso-statusbar thingie in a repository that's sane to use with os2008? i forget where it hides | 13:57 |
| lardman | chenca: I'm not knocking it, I think it would be great, I was just angling for info on the PowerVR ;) | 13:57 |
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| chenca | lardman: :-) | 13:58 |
| kulve | inz: does that depend on ttf-bitstream-vera ? | 13:59 |
| dorto | canola on N800/OS2008 doesn't detect any music from the internal memory card(shows them in "Settings" but not in "My Music". Also, no Canola applet. | 14:00 |
| chenca | dorto: Canola-Applet is no longer exist | 14:01 |
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| alterego | Today I'm very hung over. So it's ruby-maemo day :D | 14:03 |
| kulve | inz: nm | 14:03 |
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| chenca | lardman: goes to http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/ and check the Rage application, I think that Handful wants something like this | 14:08 |
| chenca | lardman: is it possible? Ask me in the next year :-) | 14:10 |
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| lardman | chenca: running WinXP at work, looking for a video | 14:12 |
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| chenca | lardman: http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi 26Mb | 14:15 |
| lardman | chenca: thanks, I'll try to have a watch (it just killed Firefox :) ) | 14:17 |
| chenca | lardman: ouch | 14:17 |
| lardman | and WMP won't play it, ~lart Microsoft | 14:17 |
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| chenca | lardman: copy to your N800 and uses Canola :-P | 14:18 |
| lardman | :) | 14:18 |
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| lardman | good idea | 14:18 |
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| lardman | finally got the right set of codecs for WinXP | 14:31 |
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| tmr8612 | Hi all. Anyone trying to up usbnet under OS2008? | 14:33 |
| lardman | chenca: ok, so that's pretty cool, a bit clunky but running ~20 videos at the same time | 14:33 |
| lardman | chenca: but the scaling was only of very small videos to slightly larger ones, I'd be interested to see scaling all the way from the thumbnails up to full screen | 14:34 |
| chenca | lardman: hehehehe hard work, as i said, ask me in the next year :-) | 14:35 |
| jeddy3 | hmmm, canola2 refuses to show cover art in "album cover" view...but shows them in all other views | 14:38 |
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| chenca | jeddy3: really ? | 14:38 |
| jeddy3 | chenca, yes | 14:39 |
| chenca | jeddy3: strange | 14:39 |
| lardman | chenca: something like this would be good: http://www.mdk.org.pl/2007/11/17/gl-colorspace-conversions | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | chenca: Are videos supposed to thumbnail? | 14:39 |
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| chenca | X-Fade: not automatically, yet | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | chenca: Ok ;) Just wondering.. | 14:41 |
| chenca | X-Fade: until now you have to use a python script to generate video thumbnails for you | 14:41 |
| chenca | X-Fade: but this could be a feature soon | 14:42 |
| * pupnik refreshes | 14:42 | |
| chenca | lardman: "hardware-accelerated" is a dream for us !!! | 14:43 |
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| lardman | I thought you were attached to Nokia in some way - can't you push for powervr? | 14:44 |
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| chenca | lardman: No, unfortunately we don't this power | 14:46 |
| lardman | shame | 14:46 |
| chenca | lardman: we don't have | 14:46 |
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| chenca | jeddy3: I made some tests and its working well | 14:58 |
| chenca | jeddy3: Did you install any previous version of Canola or Canola2 ? | 14:59 |
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| jeddy3 | chenca, nope, flashed new os2008 two days ago, installed canola2 when it turned up in extras | 15:02 |
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| jeddy3 | (with libbz2 from fbreader-repo | 15:02 |
| jeddy3 | chenca, used your script on svn to download coverart | 15:03 |
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| chenca | if cover art appears on player Screen, the scripts is working | 15:04 |
| jeddy3 | chenca, probably :) | 15:06 |
| gpd | Is there a fix for the BT-GPS connection issues on OS2008? I thought the new version would fix it but no. | 15:06 |
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| jeddy3 | chenca, one little hickup though: the script ran into some "undefined" problem or something on one image...making canola hang in "cover-flow" screen with that image in view...removing it solved hang-issue, but still...no album cover screen | 15:08 |
| jeddy3 | or rather album cover screen with all question marks | 15:08 |
| chenca | jeddy3: please post a bug report on garage https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=125&atid=1989 | 15:08 |
| chenca | and try to run the script again, use the option "-w all" | 15:09 |
| jeddy3 | oh, bugreport is already there :) | 15:09 |
| chenca | jeddy3: thanks | 15:10 |
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| jeddy3 | chenca, i didn't post it, so i cant take credit =) | 15:10 |
| chenca | jeddy3: we will check this ASAP | 15:10 |
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| jeddy3 | correction: "EvasLoadError: A non-specific error occured" on one image | 15:12 |
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| chenca | jeddy3: can you list to me what files are in the .canola/covers dir? | 15:12 |
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| tmr8612 | does anyone sucess to connect over usbnet? (N800, OS2008, g_ether) | 15:16 |
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| jeddy3_ | chenca, sorry had to change router | 15:17 |
| jeddy3_ | haha, ook: rerunning the script with "-w all" caused the _problematic_ image to be the ONLY one showing up in album cover screen =D | 15:17 |
| jeddy3_ | will remove everything and do again | 15:18 |
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| Jaffa | Interesting that texrat (a Nokia employee) is advocating (entirely unofficially) the use of separately downloaded (and hosted) firmware images. | 15:21 |
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| chenca | jeddy3_: if this doesn't work, No Problem, I will check this later... Now I have to go, I'm wake for 32 hours :-) I need sleep | 15:22 |
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| kenne | chenca, im here | 15:23 |
| jeddy3_ | chenca, thanks for help! go enjoy your successful release! | 15:23 |
| chenca | if someone have questions regarding Canola2, please ask to kenne, he is a Canola developer too | 15:24 |
| chenca | bye | 15:24 |
| kenne | or better yet, join #canola | 15:24 |
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| jeddy3_ | hmmm, browsing cover directory now...cover-small.jpg in every folder except the one now working is broken symlinks to non-existant cover-small-1.jpg | 15:27 |
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| jeddy3_ | aah...the thumbnailer-thread for generating cover-small images seems to crash on first image | 15:29 |
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| killfill | hey.. anyone has flasher-3.0 static somewhere?.. cannot download it from nokia.com.. :S | 15:33 |
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| jeddy3_ | removing album that made thumbnailer crash made everything ok, will have to get home and recopy album to see what can have caused this | 15:38 |
| kenne | jeddy3_, please do a bug report and attach the image | 15:41 |
| jeddy3_ | kenne, will do | 15:41 |
| kenne | great, thanks | 15:41 |
| jeddy3_ | kenne, but i'll have to get home first :) | 15:41 |
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| kenne | that is ok :-) | 15:42 |
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| killfill | "our browser sent a request that this server could not understand" | 15:47 |
| killfill | ? | 15:47 |
| killfill | anyone get that on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 ? | 15:47 |
| Cord | up. | 15:48 |
| dpb_ | yeah | 15:48 |
| Cord | yup. | 15:48 |
| killfill | :S | 15:48 |
| killfill | can you guys borrow me flasher-3.0-static?.. finnaly got the image here.. but no flasher.. :P | 15:48 |
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| dpb_ | borrow? You going to return it then after use? :) | 15:51 |
| killfill | sure!.. :) | 15:52 |
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| killfill | dpb_: do you happend to have it somewhere?.. | 15:53 |
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| jeddy3_ | kenne, another thing :) ...removing album directory and rebuilding database (rescanning directories) DOESN't make albumcover.py NOT wan't to make thumbnails for that specific album | 15:54 |
| dpb_ | Not the official version. | 15:54 |
| killfill | ooh. just found on in my .Trash.. | 15:54 |
| killfill | :) | 15:54 |
| dpb_ | plus this isn't even static.. | 15:55 |
| dpb_ | now that flasher page says: The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause. | 15:56 |
| killfill | well at least it has that string in its name.. :P | 15:56 |
| killfill | yup | 15:56 |
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| jeddy3_ | ok, how do i make nokia internal indexer realise i actually REMOVED a album | 15:59 |
| jeddy3_ | forget that!, my bad | 16:00 |
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| kenne | jeddy3_, hmm, the script reads from the db | 16:04 |
| kenne | but rebuilding the db doesnt means that it has committed the changes | 16:04 |
| kenne | jeddy3_, try exiting canola and try again | 16:05 |
| kenne | like exit canola after updating the db and then run the script | 16:05 |
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| jeddy3_ | kenne, works now, I was me tripping | 16:06 |
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| kenne | :) | 16:06 |
| jeddy3_ | kenne, thanks for all the help | 16:07 |
| milhouse | afternoon chaps | 16:07 |
| kenne | you're welcome | 16:07 |
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| milhouse | pdflush process - anyone else seeing 100% cpu activity while browsing (os2008 on n800)? | 16:08 |
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| milhouse | it's causing the browser to not respond, with the os suggesting it should be killed, when i don't think it's a browser issue | 16:10 |
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| jeddy3_ | kenne, updated bug #1791, but can't find where to attach files... | 16:13 |
| kenne | can you upload it somewhere? and add a link | 16:13 |
| jeddy3_ | kenne sure, hold on | 16:14 |
| kenne | great | 16:14 |
| kenne | thanks for the trouble | 16:14 |
| jeddy3_ | HA! no wonder evas is confused about the "Image" =) | 16:16 |
| jeddy3_ | it's a htlm-file with the 404 message :P | 16:16 |
| kenne | doh! | 16:17 |
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| gpd | Is nobody else having issues with bluetooth GPS (iblue2) in OS2008 on N800 - mine keeps losing the connection to the device - i had no problems in bora. | 16:20 |
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| jaharkes_ | gpd: Had no trouble with OS2008 beta and an iblue 757 | 16:21 |
| gpd | jaharkes_: using maemomapper 2.2? | 16:22 |
| jaharkes_ | yes, just started maemomapper | 16:22 |
| jeddy3_ | kenne, updated the bug...this was what was causing the trouble for me | 16:22 |
| jaharkes_ | this is with the latest os2008 | 16:22 |
| gpd | mine is an iblue 737 - but don't think that makes a difference and I'm now using 52-2 but problems with the beta too | 16:23 |
| kenne | :) | 16:23 |
| jaharkes_ | they should be mostly identical, the 757 has the track log functionality | 16:23 |
| gpd | the connection is fine but then drops away every 5 minutes or so | 16:23 |
| jaharkes_ | gpd: how did you set up MM for the gps? direct connection, or through gpsd? | 16:24 |
| gpd | maybe i should try a reflash with no restore. | 16:24 |
| gpd | jaharkes_: no idea - i will look in the prefs | 16:25 |
| gpd | in maemomapper it is set to bluetooth and my mac address | 16:25 |
| jaharkes_ | that's how I've got it as well | 16:26 |
| gpd | changing to gpsd localhost to see if that helps | 16:26 |
| gpd | jaharkes_: so yours stays connected for long periods without issue? | 16:27 |
| jaharkes_ | haven't really used it for a long time | 16:28 |
| gpd | well - more than 10 minutes would be a good enough test | 16:29 |
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| jaharkes_ | how can you tell your connection has dropped? | 16:30 |
| gpd | in maemomapper it says 'cannot find gps device' or similar | 16:30 |
| gpd | then you click ok and it searches for it - then finds it again - then connects for another 5 -10 minutes | 16:31 |
| gpd | repeat... | 16:31 |
| jaharkes_ | hmm, don't recall seeing that, testing it now. | 16:31 |
| jaharkes_ | ok, MM just crashed on me when I hit a zoom in button | 16:32 |
| keesj | hi | 16:32 |
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| jaharkes_ | and it crashed because the bloody internal mmc card got disconnected again | 16:33 |
| jaharkes_ | I wonder if it is a mechanical issue, like whenever I pick up my n800, the internal card gets ioerrors, I've become totally used to opening/closing the back cover without even looking or thinking about it to get the card recognized again. | 16:36 |
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| tontsa | time to send the unit to service i'd say | 16:38 |
| tontsa | no problems like that with n800 or n810 here | 16:38 |
| gpd | tontsa: wrt jaharkes_ 's problems or mine? | 16:39 |
| jaharkes_ | gpd: probably mine | 16:39 |
| tontsa | jaharkes_'s | 16:39 |
| gpd | any ideas where i could find debug info on errors connecting to gps receiver? | 16:41 |
| milhouse | syslog? | 16:41 |
| milhouse | i would suggest installing syslogd/klog etc. but the state the repositories are in it could take you days... | 16:42 |
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| gpd | milhouse: syslog would be handy - i'll look into setting that up | 16:42 |
| jaharkes_ | gpd: mm been up for the last 10 minutes or so without any disconnections | 16:42 |
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| gpd | jaharkes_: ii maemo-mapper 2.2-os2008 <<- same? | 16:43 |
| lardman | making progress: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/error.txt | 16:43 |
| lardman | vorbis_dsp_headerin: oggpack_read(&opb,8) is almost returnign what it should "vorbis", but I have two 16bit chars prepended to my buffer | 16:44 |
| jaharkes_ | according to dpkg -l, yes | 16:44 |
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| gpd | ok - well mine is not being found at all now :( time for serious measures | 16:44 |
| lardman | hmm, I'm actually getting 0x01, 0x01, v, r, b, b, i; looks like the bit reading code still needs some love | 16:46 |
| jaharkes_ | gpd: one interesting thing, even when I didn't set up mm to use gpsd, it still gives that location applet in the status bar, which to me indicates that gpsd is probably running | 16:47 |
| * lardman tries the Nokia shop, still not working, not much left of this week.... | 16:48 | |
| gpd | jaharkes_: yes - i have the satellite icon too with the unit paired in the settings. that too seems to drop the connection so i suspect trouble. guess i'll have to test out the device back in bora and be sure there is no hardware problem. | 16:48 |
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| gpd | milhouse: repositories seem fine wrt syslogd/klogd downloads (slow - but ok) | 16:50 |
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| gpd | milhouse: nothing wrt bt/gps seems to be logged to syslog :| | 17:00 |
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| qos | hey guys | 17:01 |
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| L0cutus | is this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 the definitive guide for cloning os ? | 17:03 |
| milhouse | gpd: :( | 17:03 |
| milhouse | dunno about definitive, but one method and probably the easiest! :) | 17:04 |
| L0cutus | ok,thanks i'll try ;) | 17:05 |
| milhouse | you may have trouble donwloading wget/e2fsprogs - i haven't been able to download jack since the firmware release. | 17:06 |
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| gpd | don't suppose anyone has the 2007.38.2 bin anywhere handy? | 17:06 |
| milhouse | gpd: don't recognise that one | 17:07 |
| timeless | milhouse: memory card fix | 17:07 |
| gpd | RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:07 |
| milhouse | got a 4.2007.36-2 for OS 2007/770 | 17:07 |
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| timeless | (kernel) | 17:07 |
| timeless | for n800 | 17:07 |
| gpd | for n800 - last release before os2008 | 17:08 |
| gpd | want to test the bt gps with old os before panicing | 17:08 |
| milhouse | ah yes... os 2007 (christ these nokia filenames are rubbish!) :) | 17:08 |
| gpd | i am downloading at slow rate from nokia... | 17:08 |
| timeless | gpd: so you just clicked throught he license | 17:08 |
| milhouse | i have it, but by the time i get it uploaded over my 128k upload link you might have it yourself :) | 17:09 |
| timeless | which means you know no one can legally give you taht file | 17:09 |
| gpd | ok - nvm | 17:09 |
| timeless | i'd give you the url, but my gateway timed out :) | 17:09 |
| timeless | (or rather their gateway) | 17:09 |
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| czr | hey timeless, how was rome? | 17:12 |
| timeless | good, thanks | 17:12 |
| * czr nods | 17:12 | |
| L0cutus | <milhouse> you may have trouble donwloading wget/e2fsprogs - i haven't been able to download jack since the firmware release. | 17:12 |
| timeless | there are pictures in my gallery, but i left my good camera in helsinki (i meant to take it), so they're all really poor quality | 17:12 |
| L0cutus | infact... | 17:12 |
| czr | timeless, I'll take a look at them when I get back, I'm on/off here atm | 17:13 |
| L0cutus | i've already e2fsprogs, but not wget unfortunately | 17:13 |
| timeless | l0cutus: do you know where wget should be? | 17:14 |
| timeless | is this chinook or something else? | 17:14 |
| L0cutus | no.. | 17:15 |
| L0cutus | i'm searching.. | 17:15 |
| timeless | i think i have a computer /slowly/ retrieving those items | 17:15 |
| L0cutus | no, it is maemo that is a desperation this deys :) | 17:15 |
| L0cutus | days* | 17:15 |
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| gpd | ok - fresh flash of os2008 with no restore - gps location details ok, tracking... | 17:17 |
| L0cutus | i think i can download from gnu and compile it myself :) | 17:17 |
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| skibur | I've been hacking, lifting weights, running, and kicking butt in 3rd Strike | 17:17 |
| skibur | I like my vacation so far | 17:17 |
| milhouse | i *think* wget is/was in extras (chinook) but since i haven't got a successful apt-get update in days i can't be sure | 17:18 |
| qos | can somebody help me create a sed expression which greps a string consisting of 32 upper-chars? | 17:18 |
| tmr8612 | try again :) | 17:19 |
| tmr8612 | does anyone sucess with usbnet (N800, OS2008)? | 17:19 |
| qos | can somebody help me create a sed expression which greps a string consisting of 32 upper-chars? | 17:20 |
| skibur | usbnet? | 17:20 |
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| tmr8612 | skibur: ethernet other usb (g_ether) | 17:21 |
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| L0cutus | it compile ok | 17:22 |
| skibur | o ok | 17:24 |
| maddler | L0cutus: hi! :) | 17:26 |
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| L0cutus | ciao maddler :) | 17:26 |
| L0cutus | ok, the wget deb is here :) | 17:28 |
| milhouse | oooh, this pdflush process is going nuts on my n800... i may have to reboot | 17:29 |
| timeless | pdflush? | 17:29 |
| milhouse | yeah, it's taking 100% cpu for extended periods of time | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | writing to flash is very CPU-intensive | 17:30 |
| milhouse | i'm not writing anything to flash, it's idle then suddenly pdflush goes nuts | 17:30 |
| milhouse | i'm just connected over an ssh session, tried to type something and no response | 17:30 |
| milhouse | eventually managed to run top and pdflush is running at 97% | 17:31 |
| milhouse | cpu | 17:31 |
| milhouse | just noticed it happening today when browsing, the os suggested to kill the browser but it's not the browser with the problem | 17:31 |
| milhouse | it's pdflush hogging all the cpu, once it calms down the browser is ok again. | 17:31 |
| milhouse | this is with 2.2007.50-2 btw | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | the writing doesn't happen at once, the system caches something in memory and writes it out later | 17:33 |
| milhouse | well something ain't right :) | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | also, the JFFS filesystem does periodic garbage collection which also uses up the CPU | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | otoh if you see a long CPU spike without having written something big (e.g. installing a large package), then something isn't right | 17:34 |
| milhouse | fair enough but it shouldn't stop other apps from responding or hog the cpu for extended periods? | 17:34 |
| mgedmin | I think | 17:34 |
| milhouse | that's what i'm seeing | 17:34 |
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| skibur | i like my find | 17:36 |
| skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13389 | 17:36 |
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| lardman | Does anyone happen to know of any stats on the speed of scaling planar video data vs interleaved video data? | 17:39 |
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| lardman | no video gurus amongst us? | 17:41 |
| keesj | we are a pirate | 17:42 |
| timeless | milhouse: 2.2007.50-2 eh? | 17:43 |
| * timeless finds that number suspicious | 17:43 | |
| lardman | keesj: helping to keep global warming in check then? | 17:43 |
| milhouse | timeless: yes | 17:43 |
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| skibur | The more i see the N810 to more I like my N800 | 17:49 |
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| skibur | the more i like my N800 | 17:49 |
| timeless | milhouse: sorry, i think about that as 2008 50-2 :) | 17:49 |
| milhouse | here's top while running apt-get update (which never works, but then we know why): | 17:49 |
| milhouse | Mem: 108084K used, 18744K free, 0K shrd, 8K buff, 43860K cached | 17:49 |
| milhouse | Load average: 1.29 0.70 0.43 | 17:49 |
| milhouse | PID USER STATUS VSZ PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND | 17:49 |
| milhouse | 113 root RW 0 6 89.1 0.0 pdflush | 17:49 |
| milhouse | 2199 user SW 28704 1039 2.0 22.6 maemo-launcher | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | The more I see my N810, the more I like it compared with an N800 or 770. | 17:49 |
| milhouse | jaffa: stop taunting us! ;) | 17:50 |
| lardman | the more I see people seeing their N810s the more I'd like to be able to get one :) | 17:50 |
| timeless | jaffa: nokia should be happy, mission accomplished | 17:50 |
| milhouse | gonna reboot this sucker and if pdflush still goes nuts on me i'll file a bug... :( | 17:51 |
| maddler | Jaffa: :) | 17:51 |
| maddler | Jaffa: I'd be happy being able comparing mine ;) | 17:52 |
| * Solarion wonders when the n810 codes will go live | 17:52 | |
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| milhouse | <timeless> milhouse: sorry, i think about that as 2008 50-2 :) <--- me too, that's why I find the naming convention quite bizarre! | 17:52 |
| milhouse | hmm.... taking a while for the progress bar to appear.... stuck at nokia logo | 17:53 |
| timeless | milhouse: i presume you can understand the overall naming, right? | 17:53 |
| milhouse | this ain't looking good | 17:53 |
| timeless | it's basically productname,productsubname,year,date,build,imagetype | 17:53 |
| timeless | (the first bit is a hardware class token of sorts) | 17:53 |
| milhouse | timeless - yes, but when people discuss "2.2007.50-2" you have no idea if that could be OS 2007 or OS 2008 | 17:53 |
| * timeless nods | 17:53 | |
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| milhouse | the build year is v confusing | 17:53 |
| milhouse | all will be ok for the first 6 months of next year though! :) | 17:54 |
| timeless | btw, the 2 is actually sorta a major version hint | 17:54 |
| milhouse | yeah, i'm ok with that | 17:54 |
| timeless | 0 is predev, 1 should be first release, 2 should be second release (first service release) | 17:54 |
| milhouse | it's the next number that's confusing | 17:54 |
| timeless | you can kind of use the 2 if available as a hint | 17:54 |
| skibur | Nokia is freaking cool | 17:54 |
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| timeless | becasue for 2007, the number would be >2 by now | 17:55 |
| timeless | s/su/us/ | 17:55 |
| infobot | timeless meant: because for 2007, the number would be >2 by now | 17:55 |
| milhouse | my device came up thank god | 17:55 |
| skibur | N800 and the N810 are some bad Ass devices! | 17:55 |
| milhouse | jffs2_gcd_mtd4 is now going like the clappers taking 98% cpu | 17:55 |
| Spakman_ | < skibur> N800 and the N810 are some bad Ass devices! <---- yeah, they's much better as computers :) | 17:55 |
| skibur | :P | 17:56 |
| Spakman_ | skibur: coulnd't agree more - brilliant devices! | 17:56 |
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| milhouse | timeless - yes, but that's hardly a reliable hint | 17:56 |
| * Solarion would like empirical evidence. | 17:56 | |
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| skibur | Wow, Gnumeric is out for OS2008? | 17:57 |
| skibur | installing now | 17:57 |
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| guerby | repository.maemo still sloooooowww ? | 17:57 |
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| milhouse | guerby: fraid so | 17:57 |
| Solarion | skibur: gnumeric is tasty, tasty stuff. | 17:58 |
| milhouse | guerby: unusable here (uk) | 17:58 |
| Loose | Hey I found this room finally | 17:58 |
| Solarion | (disclaimer: I'm involved in the project and therefore partisan.. ;) | 17:58 |
| guerby | milhouse, wow I really wonder what's going on* | 17:58 |
| milhouse | me too... an announcement would be nice | 17:58 |
| milhouse | just to say, like, we're dealing with it | 17:58 |
| k-s | are you experiencing problems with repository.m.o? | 17:59 |
| milhouse | oh yes | 17:59 |
| guerby | milhouse, may be someone is DOSing them | 17:59 |
| kulve | yeah, like the community | 17:59 |
| guerby | k-s, yep, extremely slow and unreliable | 17:59 |
| k-s | damn | 17:59 |
| andrunko_ | true | 17:59 |
| guerby | kulve, well they know how many they sold relative to the last release | 18:00 |
| k-s | kulve: we have a ogg plugin for canola, but we don't ship it by default | 18:00 |
| milhouse | i'm currently getting a gzip error on an apt-get update | 18:00 |
| milhouse | yesterday it was a host not responding | 18:00 |
| guerby | milhouse, same kind of stuff for me | 18:00 |
| k-s | kulve: it's actually for lightmediascanner, would u add it to your ogg-support? | 18:00 |
| milhouse | either way, can't install jack unless i do it via a deb | 18:00 |
| kulve | k-s: what kind of plugin? | 18:00 |
| k-s | kulve: scanner plugin, to detect the media | 18:01 |
| k-s | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms/lightmediascanner/ | 18:01 |
| k-s | see src/plugins/ogg | 18:01 |
| kulve | k-s: so it's just a .so which is useless without the lightmediascanner? | 18:01 |
| milhouse | timeless: looks like the reboot may have fixed the pdflush problem (fingers crossed) | 18:01 |
| k-s | kulve: basically | 18:01 |
| k-s | kulve: we already ship all other plugins | 18:01 |
| k-s | kulve: just don't ship the ogg because it would depend on your repo | 18:02 |
| Loose | milhouse: you mentioned gnumeric right as I entered... is it being ported to OS2008? | 18:02 |
| k-s | kulve: if you upload your packages to repository.maemo.org/extras, then we could upload it too :-) | 18:02 |
| milhouse | Loose: not me, someone else | 18:02 |
| Loose | Right, it was skibur | 18:02 |
| kulve | k-s: I guess that would be the best solutions? | 18:02 |
| kulve | -s | 18:02 |
| blast007 | Loose: just before you entered: 09:54:12 < skibur> Wow, Gnumeric is out for OS2008? | 18:03 |
| Loose | THANKS | 18:03 |
| k-s | kulve: we think so | 18:04 |
| skibur | wow | 18:04 |
| k-s | kulve: then we could provide the ogg plugin and ogg would be detected automatically | 18:04 |
| skibur | it nice (Gnumeric) | 18:04 |
| skibur | Now I can view my data correctly | 18:04 |
| skibur | Abiword... Fix your (string) problem! :( ;) | 18:05 |
| kulve | k-s: I guess I dare to upload the packages there. It's quite unlikely that they will break anything.. | 18:06 |
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| kulve | k-s: and then I could in the future put new version to my repo for a day or two for testers before uploading to the extras.. | 18:06 |
| skibur | huh? what up? | 18:06 |
| skibur | I need to get to work | 18:07 |
| skibur | working on a converting app | 18:07 |
| skibur | rtf doc xml html chm etc... | 18:08 |
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| pupnik | /lastlog code | 18:11 |
| k-s | kulve: great, let me (or even better: etrunko) know when you have it done | 18:11 |
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| k-s | kulve: etrunko is our package master ;-) | 18:11 |
| Loose | skibur: where is gnumeric for 08? | 18:12 |
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| zoran | any news about maemo repositories? | 18:13 |
| zoran | extras, pool are still down | 18:14 |
| milhouse | if quim is here - please post a quick update on maemo announcements about the repositories and the download situation in general... :) | 18:14 |
| maddler | zoran: they were unreachable for me untile yesterday... this morning they where just *slow*... | 18:14 |
| zoran | also, sadly | 18:14 |
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| milhouse | maddler: they're not responding correctly here, whether thats' due to slowness, timeouts or something else i don't know | 18:15 |
| timeless | milhouse: dunno, i think it's actually relatively reliable | 18:15 |
| zoran | I've read post on users mailin list about download franzie for os2008 | 18:16 |
| milhouse | i've not had a single successful apt-get update since i installed os 2008 50-2 | 18:16 |
| milhouse | thats 3 days ago | 18:16 |
| timeless | milhouse: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ | 18:16 |
| timeless | lists the versions pre 38-2 | 18:16 |
| milhouse | i've got 'em all :) | 18:17 |
| timeless | czr: so are you back enough to take bug feedback? :) | 18:17 |
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| skibur | hold on Loose | 18:18 |
| czr | timeless, no :-) | 18:18 |
| czr | timeless, still in GA | 18:18 |
| * timeless cries | 18:18 | |
| timeless | something really bad is happening here | 18:18 |
| timeless | i have a pointer that doesn't work | 18:19 |
| czr | it's my holiday! :-) | 18:19 |
| timeless | and i can't figure out why | 18:19 |
| timeless | .ga.us ? | 18:19 |
| czr | I refuse to do stuff for other people during my holiday :-) | 18:19 |
| czr | yeah timeless | 18:19 |
| timeless | atl? | 18:19 |
| skibur | http://gronmayer.com/it/ | 18:19 |
| milhouse | here's what i get when trying to update repostories - i'm using standard repositories plus extras and extras-devel. http://pastebin.ca/825463 | 18:19 |
| czr | timeless, savannah | 18:19 |
| milhouse | bums me out :( | 18:19 |
| czr | well, close to savannah really. | 18:19 |
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| czr | ttyl -> house choers | 18:20 |
| czr | chores even. | 18:20 |
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| Loose | Thanks skibur | 18:20 |
| timeless | extras-devel eh? | 18:20 |
| timeless | how many evil top level repositories are there? | 18:21 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/ | 18:21 |
| timeless | i've only started collecting the main repo | 18:21 |
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| skibur | http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 18:23 |
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| timeless | skibur: that's not answering :) | 18:23 |
| |tbb| | hi all | 18:23 |
| skibur | right there ^ Just add that Repos | 18:23 |
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| milhouse | arse... pdflush has just gone nuts on me again | 18:24 |
| milhouse | bugtime :( | 18:24 |
| skibur | a crap | 18:24 |
| skibur | your link | 18:24 |
| milhouse | been running at close to 100% cpu for over 15 seconds solid | 18:24 |
| timeless | sp3000: is eero around? you guys should find out what's up w/ milhouse's fs | 18:24 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows where the backup settings for the os2008 stays and will the n800 settings equal to the n810 so i can restore anything from n800 to n810 both working on os2008 | 18:24 |
| tontsa | milhouse, when that happens how's your memory situation | 18:24 |
| timeless | skibur: mine is a shell it /will/ or /might/ eventually be a mirror of things | 18:25 |
| timeless | atm it's just a shell | 18:25 |
| milhouse | tontsa: i've just rebooted, the only app i'm running is the browser and Application Manager | 18:25 |
| skibur | tschmidt <--- add that Repos | 18:25 |
| skibur | lol | 18:25 |
| skibur | o ok | 18:26 |
| tontsa | milhouse, you have the adblock plus installed? | 18:26 |
| milhouse | tontsa: no - i've not installed anything on this device other than openssh-server | 18:26 |
| milhouse | timeless: looks like extras is the culprit as far as catalogues/repositories are concerned | 18:26 |
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| milhouse | (at least for me anyway) | 18:27 |
| tontsa | milhouse, ok.. well then something has definately gone wrong. i have pretty happy browser on 810 | 18:27 |
| milhouse | not sure it's a browser issue at all | 18:27 |
| milhouse | for some reason pdflush just goes nuts | 18:27 |
| milhouse | and whatever app i'm using at the time takes the hit | 18:27 |
| milhouse | extras is in a very bad way | 18:28 |
| zoran | any background process or zombie? | 18:28 |
| timeless | milhouse: i can't find pdflush.... | 18:28 |
| * timeless wonder if it's a kernel thing | 18:28 | |
| milhouse | it is | 18:28 |
| milhouse | seems to be linked to memory management | 18:29 |
| milhouse | and writing to the filesystem | 18:29 |
| tontsa | it's handling the dirty buffers | 18:29 |
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| milhouse | right... i wonder if my jffs2 fs is having problems? | 18:29 |
| milhouse | dmesg looks clean | 18:29 |
| milhouse | although i don't know what to make of this: | 18:30 |
| milhouse | [ 2181.507812] DSP Pausing failed, skipping OP change! | 18:30 |
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| milhouse | i'm not running anything media related... | 18:30 |
| user-770 | morning | 18:30 |
| milhouse | afternoon | 18:30 |
| tontsa | that's happening in every boot on my n810 too | 18:30 |
| milhouse | guess it's nothing to worry about for now then | 18:30 |
| tontsa | i doubt it's anything more than informational | 18:30 |
| user-770 | someone know where I can find info when n810 will be available in each part of world? | 18:31 |
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| tontsa | milhouse, maybe run vmstat 1 when that happens to see what's happening | 18:32 |
| Loose | skibur: Got gnumeric now... muchos gracias! | 18:32 |
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| tontsa | user-770, doubt there's any accurate site.. like n810 was suppose to be available in finland middle of november and it finally hit the streets last week | 18:33 |
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| milhouse | tontsa: i'll give it a try if i can | 18:34 |
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| user-770 | tontsa: ;( | 18:34 |
| timeless | user-770: buy tea leaves | 18:34 |
| timeless | then practice using them | 18:34 |
| user-770 | timeless: ;) | 18:34 |
| timeless | you'll have better answers than anyone else | 18:34 |
| user-770 | probably | 18:34 |
| timeless | much more reliable :) | 18:34 |
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| killfill | hey guys.. does mono run on os2008? | 18:34 |
| milhouse | tonsta: vmstat isn't on my n800... is it in one of the nokia repositories? | 18:35 |
| user-770 | timeless: looking at n800 situation here looks like n810 will be also not available | 18:35 |
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| tontsa | milhouse, procps package is atleast on repository.maemo.org | 18:36 |
| tontsa | dunno if you need to enable Red Pill to see it in App Manager | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I once tried building a procps deb with vmstat | 18:36 |
| tontsa | ohh.. it's for bora | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | the build failed, but it did produce a vmstat binary before failing | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I copied it to my n800 and use it now | 18:36 |
| Locutus6711 | hi everybody. can someone tell me whether the battery life changes, after upgrading to OS2008??? | 18:37 |
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| tontsa | but i guess procps should work on chinook too.. it hasn't changed much in years | 18:37 |
| milhouse | procps won't install - says busybox is already the newest version | 18:38 |
| tontsa | heheh | 18:38 |
| milhouse | (and it can't find a vmstat package) | 18:38 |
| Locutus6711 | nobody? | 18:40 |
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| tontsa | Locutus6711, sure it will since on os2008 the processor is overclocked | 18:40 |
| Locutus6711 | but hasn't the energy-management improved? | 18:41 |
| Locutus6711 | esspecially wlan with display off | 18:41 |
| vegai | have they cancelled the maemo dev program or something? | 18:42 |
| vegai | I haven't heard anything from them | 18:42 |
| Locutus6711 | because I read that the N810 should have 5 days in always-online mode. | 18:42 |
| user-770 | Locutus6711: without screen/bt/wifi/gps and when user will not touch device? | 18:42 |
| milhouse | Locutus: power management has improved, 5 days is a little optimistic | 18:42 |
| Locutus6711 | I mean that is why I am considdering to wait for the N810 or to buy the N800 now. | 18:43 |
| tontsa | milhouse, i guess busybox' nmeter might be usable. like: nmeter '%250d%t %20c int %i bio %b mem %m forks%p' | 18:44 |
| timeless | locutus: may i ask *where* you read that? | 18:44 |
| Locutus6711 | many sides | 18:44 |
| timeless | specific urls | 18:44 |
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| Locutus6711 | http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=3757269§ion_id=530&culture=en-GB | 18:45 |
| Locutus6711 | ther is written: Always online time: up to 5 days | 18:45 |
| milhouse | tonta: no nmeter here :( | 18:46 |
| tontsa | that's very optimistic, for me the battery lasts about 1-2 days | 18:46 |
| milhouse | tontsa: same here and my wifi router (linksys wrt54gs) supports PSM | 18:46 |
| tontsa | milhouse, wow.. really stripped down busybox then. i left my n810 at office | 18:46 |
| Locutus6711 | ok, i think that is enough for me | 18:46 |
| milhouse | tontsa: oh yes indeed! | 18:46 |
| Locutus6711 | and you are always online and available with the N800 ? | 18:47 |
| milhouse | locutus: n810 probably saps more power than the n800 because of the gps, but aside from that they should be very similar | 18:47 |
| tontsa | i have bluetooth connected almost always, running mostly xterm and microb | 18:47 |
| milhouse | locutus: always online, always available (very stable 11g home network) | 18:47 |
| lardman | milhouse: perhaps the lack of an FM radio makes up for it ;) | 18:47 |
| Locutus6711 | and wlan? | 18:47 |
| milhouse | no bluetooth here - only use that when i'm out | 18:48 |
| milhouse | lardman: possibly :) | 18:48 |
| erstazi | yeah, I am still up in arms over getting the n800 or n810... but I might not get either since my 770 has served me perfectly well over the course of its life. | 18:48 |
| milhouse | aesthetically i much prefer the n810 | 18:48 |
| tontsa | i just got 810 for it's keyboard. even though the keyboard is bit lacking, but still very usable | 18:48 |
| tontsa | would be impossible to use wireless keyboard in busses/on the move | 18:49 |
| erstazi | tontsa: I will agree, tapping is difficult on a 770 and n800 heh | 18:49 |
| Locutus6711 | ok, so than I will buy an N800, if you think that the battery-life is more than one day with WLAN switched on | 18:49 |
| milhouse | it will be, as long as you don't use it too much | 18:50 |
| erstazi | Locutus6711: it really depends on how much you use it, same with the 770 | 18:50 |
| milhouse | 2 days tops if you leave it idle but connected | 18:50 |
| Locutus6711 | ok, thank you very much | 18:50 |
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| erstazi | I have friends who have the n800 and I don't see much gain in the battery life | 18:51 |
| Locutus6711 | compared to your 770? | 18:51 |
| erstazi | Locutus6711: not from what I have seen and touched | 18:52 |
| erstazi | Locutus6711: its all how you use it... just like laptops | 18:52 |
| Locutus6711 | yes, sure | 18:52 |
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| lardman | bye | 18:54 |
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| skibur | I just cut a headphones jack to use it as an antenna | 18:55 |
| skibur | :) | 18:55 |
| erstazi | skibur: heh | 18:55 |
| skibur | it was a quick hack | 18:55 |
| skibur | to enable the radio | 18:56 |
| erstazi | skibur: with this headphone jack hack, what is the estimated expansion on the furthest radio station being received? | 18:57 |
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| |tbb| | is there a site of the available shortcuts of using the n810 keyboard, like ctrl + q closes the actually window | 19:02 |
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| skibur | checking | 19:04 |
| skibur | I didn't hack my nokia headphones | 19:05 |
| erstazi | skibur: well, I meant any headphone set | 19:07 |
| Loose | Just find an old headphone set that's busted... I've got plenty | 19:07 |
| erstazi | Loose: this would also require having something newer than the 770 only at hand (: | 19:08 |
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| zoran | erstazi, 770 is good enough for most mundane tasks | 19:12 |
| skibur | not sure about expansion, but I get the same amount of station with my stereo | 19:12 |
| ||cw | |tbb|: ctrl+q would be application specific | 19:13 |
| ||cw | though I think it part of UI guideline for gnome or gtk or something | 19:13 |
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| skibur | as far as the headphone hack, it needs a little bit more wire length :P | 19:14 |
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| erstazi | zoran: hence why I haven't really jumped and bought the n800 or n810 (: | 19:15 |
| zoran | most console apps work fine | 19:15 |
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| erstazi | zoran: have you tried irssi on the 770? | 19:23 |
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| [pablo] | http://flickr.com/photos/bobb/2125306784/ | 19:24 |
| zoran | yep! | 19:24 |
| zoran | works fine | 19:24 |
| zoran | but cannot type so fast ason laptop | 19:25 |
| zoran | mutt works perfectly | 19:26 |
| zoran | and all perl/pythn scripts | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | [pablo]: how is it mounted? | 19:27 |
| [pablo] | via usb | 19:27 |
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| |tbb| | ||cw: thx, a wiki would be nice | 19:29 |
| ||cw | |tbb|: I guess you can start a page, but since the 810 is so new the apps have removed the shortcut notations from the menus to save space on the screen and who knows how many apps even still have the binding left over from the port. in the end, it's all application specific | 19:33 |
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| db48x | do any of the various ebook readers work on the n800/n810? | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | fbreader works | 19:35 |
| truent | i've got an hour for canola2 to finish downloading before i gotta goto work... come on! squeeze those bits down the pipe | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | although I haven't a n810 to test | 19:35 |
| truent | nevermind it just failed at about 55% | 19:36 |
| truent | nice | 19:36 |
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| db48x | mgedmin: well, that's a start | 19:39 |
| |R | canola2 is out? | 19:39 |
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| truent | lol | 19:39 |
| truent | well good luck downloading | 19:39 |
| truent | but yep | 19:39 |
| |R | haha | 19:39 |
| |R | 2008 is out, canola2 is out... n810 discount is not out :| | 19:40 |
| ||cw | great, 99% [4 Packages gzip 0] [Waiting for headers]gzip: Invalid magic Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free Packages | 19:41 |
| |R | truent : i wonder how many people does it get to hammer a server with small packages... | 19:41 |
| truent | apparently they didnt plan enough for this release | 19:41 |
| |R | seems like a constant in the tablet world :P | 19:42 |
| truent | 2008 crippled their servers then canola 2 is gonna drag it out for another few days ;p | 19:42 |
| truent | yeah | 19:42 |
| * |tbb| think they arent plan anything | 19:42 | |
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| milhouse | ||cw - same error here, been like it all day. it seems to be the extras repository that blows up for me. | 19:44 |
| milhouse | on chinook i see you're using mistral... | 19:44 |
| L0cutus | mmm | 19:44 |
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| kdean06 | I'm interested in getting a n800 or 810 but I'm wondering how much of the system utilizes Free Software, or more specifically, what parts require non-free software? | 19:44 |
| |tbb| | milhouse for me too | 19:44 |
| L0cutus | my SD is corrupted :-\ | 19:45 |
| milhouse | truent - quite, the bandwidth issues have most likely scuppered all the hard work of the canola boys, anything dependent on extras is a no go for me | 19:45 |
| truent | oh yeah | 19:45 |
| milhouse | this is just one cock up after another, and nobody even seems to be publicly acknowledging there is a problem. | 19:45 |
| truent | well os2008 for that matter, you cant update or download new programs, good thing we're all geeks and understand the problems.. plus wont give up so easily cuz we know whats in store | 19:46 |
| truent | heh | 19:47 |
| milhouse | i doubt nokia have many more chances to get this right | 19:47 |
| joshin | kdean06: (I am not an expert so take with a grain of salt) Most all of the system is open sourced. The flash plugin, the skype port, and until recently? some of the tools used to compile for the DSP are not OSS. Experts, is this about right? | 19:47 |
| joshin | Oh and opera isn't OSS either. | 19:48 |
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| milhouse | or half of the wifi stack | 19:48 |
| X-Fade | milhouse: It seems to be a Akamai problem this time.. | 19:48 |
| kdean06 | But I assume these things can be removed, if one wished? | 19:48 |
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| milhouse | X-fade: i don't care whose fault it is - the radio silence on behalf of nokia/maemo is shocking | 19:49 |
| milhouse | (no offence meant x-fade) | 19:49 |
| kdean06 | I don't mind what comes "default" if it can be removed but I assume that it contains firmware to function. | 19:49 |
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| milhouse | x-fade: if nokia/maemo actually acknowledged there was a problem i'd feel happier about it | 19:49 |
| |tbb| | any mirror for the latest os2008 for n810 available? | 19:50 |
| _berto_ | |tbb|: the best is probably emule or bittorrent | 19:50 |
| milhouse | |tbb| - check itt, there's a few urls knocking about there | 19:50 |
| X-Fade | I don't get why people need aknowledgement about every fart the system makes ;) | 19:51 |
| milhouse | because it's been almost 3 days now? | 19:51 |
| X-Fade | "Yeah, I heart it too" :) | 19:51 |
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| milhouse | and it's a complete fcking nightmare! :) | 19:51 |
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| milhouse | with no end in sight? | 19:51 |
| |tbb| | md5 sum isnt that secure anymore, is that true? | 19:51 |
| X-Fade | milhouse: Well, at least I can confirm that I see the same problem at my location (NL) :) | 19:51 |
| CosmicRay | is there any alternative download site for the n810 firmware besides tablets-dev.nokia.com? It seems to go at about 3KB/s and hang a few hours into it, with no way to resume. I've been trying 2 days now... and I had this problem with the last update as well, a few weeks ago | 19:52 |
| CosmicRay | though I eventually got it | 19:52 |
| milhouse | x-fade: :) | 19:52 |
| CosmicRay | somebody needs to torrent the thing :-) | 19:52 |
| ||cw | milhouse: yeah, still using OS2006, I haven't been able to actually install anything in at least a week, just now trying to figure out why. oddly, it does download whatever i try to install, but then just says install failed | 19:52 |
| milhouse | |tbb| - not heard that before about md5 | 19:52 |
| truent | its 9mb! torrent? haha | 19:52 |
| X-Fade | CosmicRay: Perhaps you can download it with the Windows software updater ;) | 19:52 |
| truent | they just need something higher than 14.4kbps modem | 19:53 |
| milhouse | |tbb| - i'm assuming you mean md5 is not reliable rather than secure, but even so "spoofing" a hash/digest would be tricky | 19:53 |
| CosmicRay | truent: it's 140MB | 19:53 |
| CosmicRay | X-Fade: aren't you just the funny one :-) | 19:53 |
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| mgedmin | |tbb|: it is possible to create two files that have the same md5sum, if you can set about 128 bytes arbitrarily, iirc | 19:54 |
| X-Fade | CosmicRay: I'm not kidding. Perhaps we need to find out where that flasher gets the image. (Because it _is_ fast) | 19:54 |
| CosmicRay | and, in fact, speak of it... http://www.mininova.org/tor/1051742 | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | I've seen two pdfs that had different text but the same md5 | 19:54 |
| db48x | yea, the only files that md5 is safe for anymore is plain text | 19:55 |
| truent | ahh thought you were talkin about canola ;p | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | I don't think it is currently possible to produce a file with the same md5sum as another file | 19:55 |
| db48x | mgedmin: it is | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | in a reasonable amount of time? | 19:55 |
| milhouse | megedmin: i'm not saying it's impossible, but tricky | 19:55 |
| db48x | sure | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | db48x: link? | 19:55 |
| db48x | lemme find a link | 19:55 |
| db48x | I recall a page that has 12 pdfs, each with a different prediction for the next US presidential election, all with the same md5 hash | 19:55 |
| * |tbb| thinking about downloading it from nokia itself or just goto torrent | 19:56 | |
| ||cw | search for md5 collision | 19:56 |
| db48x | yea, here: http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/Nostradamus/ | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | db48x: that's what I said: you can create two files with the same md5sum | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | but you currently can't create a file with a given md5sum | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | so, if you were nokia, you could create a real OS image and a fake OS image, both having the same md5 hash | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | but if you can't change the original, you can't create a fake one | 19:57 |
| truent | huh. | 19:58 |
| milhouse | downloading a corrupt file that happens to have the same hash as the uncorrupted file is very unlikely. not impossible, but unlikely. manufacturing a file with the same hash as another but different file would also be difficult/tricky, but not impossible. | 19:58 |
| _berto_ | there are some torrents out there: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=os2008%20torrent | 19:58 |
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| db48x | mgedmin: no, you can use the same attack to generate a document with any hash that you want | 19:59 |
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| milhouse | actually manufacturing a collision seems quite easy, but i'd say that it happening due to random chance where a corrupt file has the same hash as an uncorrupted file is still highly unlikely to happen | 20:02 |
| db48x | yea, that's true | 20:02 |
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| L0cutus | Error reading block 196617 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan. Ignore error<y>? yes | 20:06 |
| L0cutus | this just after a mke2fs+fsck.ext2 on my SD | 20:06 |
| * |R thinks nokia's .install should have been torrent wrappers :P | 20:07 | |
| L0cutus | not a good thing.... | 20:07 |
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| mgedmin | db48x: that page talks about creating a pair of documents with a common prefix | 20:11 |
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| mgedmin | or is there a better attack described later on? | 20:11 |
| * mgedmin reads more closely | 20:11 | |
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| |tbb| | nice ive installed the new update of os2008 on my n800 now i cant install anything from the repros ;( , canola is available but no way to install it either, then i have getting a n810 "old" fw and cant install anything ;(( . At first i think nice day, but now ..... | 20:18 |
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| k-s | |tbb|: repositories are suffering from too many accesses | 20:18 |
| * mgedmin fails to find any mention of generating a document that would produce a given md5 hash | 20:18 | |
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| |tbb| | okay then i shout it out loud. everybody plz stop downloading anything from repros! ;) | 20:19 |
| truent | just got canola2 ;P | 20:20 |
| truent | wewp | 20:20 |
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| killfill | damn.. repo is still shoked.. :P | 20:21 |
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| steri | is canola2 out not? | 20:26 |
| steri | now? | 20:26 |
| steri | omg | 20:27 |
| |tbb| | truent how about the speed, does it have kinetic scrolling like ukmp | 20:27 |
| k-s | steri: it's out, but repository.maemo.org/extras is suffering from multiple access | 20:28 |
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| steri | yea :S seems like it | 20:29 |
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| |tbb| | maybe the canola team bombarding the maemo extra repository with dos attacks , to care about her own server ;) | 20:31 |
| truent | lol | 20:31 |
| k-s | ehehehe | 20:32 |
| truent | |tbb|, kinetic scrolling, it works.. hard to test on mine though, at least for photos i just got an sd card with huge photos so it takes a while to load | 20:32 |
| truent | once you're in the viewing mode of anything i'd say its very polished.. looks pretty darn good | 20:33 |
| steri | should I update that new os2008 before installing canola2? | 20:33 |
| |tbb| | steri when you can get the new os | 20:33 |
| k-s | truent: it should save the thumbnails, so big or small pictures should behave the same | 20:35 |
| k-s | (after initial loading) | 20:35 |
| truent | after they're loaded yeah | 20:35 |
| truent | initial loading takes a while, but im talkin 2.5mb each pic and like 200 of em ya know | 20:35 |
| truent | its not easy on my desktop ;p | 20:35 |
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| |tbb| | damn i wish i could hack the keyboard layout for myself (like hitting 2x ctrl button should lock the ctrl button once another key is pressed) | 20:37 |
| truent | caps lock | 20:37 |
| truent | ;p | 20:37 |
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| |tbb| | ? | 20:38 |
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| bucky1 | if a phone isnt on this list: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothdun/ is there no hope, or has it not been tested yet, or is that list not up to date...? | 20:44 |
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| |tbb| | will a magnet be negative for the electronic or the lcd of a n810? | 20:55 |
| kulve | k-s: is there a wiki page / etc. about the extras repository? | 20:56 |
| |tbb| | the battery cover seems to be metal, so if i put the backside of the n810 it on a "magnet wall" will it hurt the machine in any case? | 20:56 |
| k-s | kulve: etrunko is the guy to talk with | 20:57 |
| k-s | kulve: he is our package/repo master | 20:57 |
| |tbb| | or will it hurt the accu | 20:57 |
| kulve | k-s: I think I found the page | 20:58 |
| * timelyx cries | 20:58 | |
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| timelyx | kulve: how much do you know about repositories? | 20:58 |
| kulve | timelyx: well. Something. | 20:59 |
| timelyx | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/273257 | 20:59 |
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| timelyx | i got that error page from that url | 20:59 |
| timelyx | if you use camino/firefox or microb+spellchecker, and look in the textarea, you'll understand my cry | 21:00 |
| kulve | I don't :) | 21:00 |
| |tbb| | ah maemo repository works fine now, faster than ever | 21:01 |
| |tbb| | a little sarcasm, must be allowed | 21:03 |
| MoRpHeUz | |tbb|: hehe | 21:03 |
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| |tbb| | k, gotta leave work now, they dont pay me for waiting downloading something from the repros, but if so i were much richer than now ;) | 21:06 |
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| kulve | k-s: (I'm speaking to you, as you are here and etrunko is not): I just noticed a slight problem preventing me to upload to extras. Some of the source packages has the same name as the ones in the repository.maemo.org | 21:08 |
| etrunko | kulve: here i am! | 21:09 |
| etrunko | :) | 21:09 |
| kulve | e.g. gst-plugins-base0 | 21:09 |
| kulve | etrunko: hi :) | 21:09 |
| skibur | lol | 21:09 |
| skibur | hacking is all I know | 21:09 |
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| etrunko | kulve: may i ask what are you trying to do? | 21:10 |
| kulve | etrunko: did you see my note (I ignore joins and parts, so I don't see when people come and go) | 21:10 |
| etrunko | and what is going on? | 21:10 |
| etrunko | missed it | 21:10 |
| kulve | etrunko: I was about to upload my ogg-support to extras to be better available for your project | 21:11 |
| kulve | repeat: k-s: (I'm speaking to you, as you are here and etrunko is not): I just noticed a slight problem preventing me to upload to extras. Some of the source packages has the same name as the ones in the repository.maemo.org | 21:11 |
| k-s | sorry, I was out | 21:11 |
| k-s | reading... | 21:11 |
| kulve | k-s: well, etrunko is here now too.. | 21:12 |
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| k-s | :-) | 21:12 |
| kulve | technically there's no problem, but if people do "apt-get source gst-plugins-base0.10" they'll get my version and not the maemo version. Although that's going to happen currently too, if they have my repo on the sources.list | 21:13 |
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| etrunko | kulve: that happens if you upgrade the package version number | 21:14 |
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| kulve | and if I wouldn't have it would be even harder to get the version of the source package you want.. | 21:14 |
| etrunko | yup | 21:15 |
| kulve | now one can state the version number for the apt | 21:15 |
| etrunko | actually you need to upgrade it if you have changes | 21:15 |
| etrunko | that's the right thing to do | 21:15 |
| kulve | yeah | 21:15 |
| timelyx | kulve: they can pin the version number | 21:15 |
| kulve | I could have modified the name of the source package too.. | 21:15 |
| etrunko | kulve: let me try to understand it | 21:16 |
| etrunko | you got the gst-plugins-base0.10 from maemo | 21:16 |
| kulve | yup | 21:16 |
| etrunko | changed it a bit | 21:16 |
| kulve | yup | 21:16 |
| etrunko | now you're trying to send it back | 21:16 |
| kulve | well.. Yes. | 21:17 |
| etrunko | so | 21:17 |
| kulve | I changed the name of the binary packages, so they won't collide | 21:17 |
| kulve | but the source packages will. | 21:17 |
| etrunko | hmm | 21:17 |
| kulve | and my source package doesn't provide the binary packages the maemo version does | 21:17 |
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| maddler | evening... | 21:17 |
| kulve | i.e. the only binary my source provides is gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-ogg | 21:18 |
| etrunko | kulve: you should provide the same packages the original one does, plus this one | 21:19 |
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| hugolp | maemo.org is very slow. Is just me? | 21:19 |
| kulve | then it would install my version of the gst base package and I can't know what gcc options etc. the original package might have.. | 21:20 |
| etrunko | hugolp: unfortunately that's for everyone | 21:20 |
| etrunko | kulve: it would install only the gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-ogg | 21:20 |
| etrunko | as the other packages are compatible | 21:20 |
| kulve | yeah, but my version number would be greated | 21:20 |
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| etrunko | and the user would just install your other packages if it runs apt | 21:20 |
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| etrunko | not using the application manager | 21:21 |
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| hugolp | etrunko: do you know if I installed OS2008 beta I can upgrade or do I have to flash for the official one? | 21:21 |
| kulve | hugolp: I think you need to flash it | 21:21 |
| kulve | I have the same problem | 21:21 |
| skibur | K-PAX is a great movie | 21:22 |
| kulve | you can't upgrade e.g. kernel with app.mgr. afaik | 21:22 |
| hugolp | bah | 21:22 |
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| kulve | hugolp: but it should be able to restore apps installed from repositories. Although I saw some blog telling not to restore from the beta.. | 21:22 |
| etrunko | kulve, hugolp: the same applies to the other nokia closed-source binaries | 21:23 |
| kulve | sucks | 21:23 |
| CosmicRay | blat. that bittorrent link for os2008 was the n800 version, not the n810 one. | 21:23 |
| CosmicRay | sigh | 21:24 |
| hugolp | guess Ill have to install over | 21:24 |
| hugolp | not that I have critical data in the N800, but still sucks | 21:24 |
| etrunko | hugolp: yeah :( | 21:24 |
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| hugolp | does anyone know a fm radio player for the N800 with OS2008? | 21:27 |
| FMZ | hugolp: It's in the installable applications list. | 21:27 |
| hugolp | FMZ: what name? | 21:28 |
| hugolp | your right | 21:28 |
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| CosmicRay | is there any way to apply n810 firmware upgrades without losing all my files and settings? | 21:34 |
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| timelyx | you can backup things | 21:35 |
| timelyx | however, i'd like to advise you not do that | 21:35 |
| timelyx | in theory os2008 has support for non flashed updates | 21:36 |
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| timelyx | however there were no plans to use it for this release | 21:36 |
| CosmicRay | timelyx: why not backup? | 21:36 |
| CosmicRay | timelyx: are you speaking of the built-in backup app, or using rsync or something myself? | 21:37 |
| timelyx | some settings or files may be such that you don't want them restored | 21:37 |
| timelyx | either. | 21:37 |
| timelyx | if you have files you personally value, copy them to some other device | 21:37 |
| timelyx | (not the internal mmc which you can easily corrupt) | 21:38 |
| timelyx | you can use the internal backup to backup the list of installed applications | 21:38 |
| timelyx | but in order to restore that list, you'll need to enable some repositories before you restore | 21:38 |
| timelyx | but please don't do a full backup/restore :( | 21:38 |
| * timelyx hates having to make such a request | 21:39 | |
| Vulc|Bleh | [14:38:46] <timelyx> but in order to restore that list, you'll need to enable some repositories before you restore -- And those repositories will not actually all be there if you try today... | 21:39 |
| Vulc|Bleh | some are down because everyone is using them | 21:40 |
| timelyx | oh yeah, that's the other cool part | 21:40 |
| timelyx | personally, if i were you, i'd wait a week | 21:40 |
| timelyx | not because the new software is less stable, and not because i want you to use the old software, because i really don't | 21:40 |
| Vulc|Bleh | The new software really _is_ less stable, though | 21:41 |
| Vulc|Bleh | as far as I've seen... the app manager is crashing more | 21:41 |
| timelyx | but if you have a number of applications you installed, it'll be painful trying to recover them | 21:41 |
| CosmicRay | does the windows updater do a non-destructive install? | 21:41 |
| Vulc|Bleh | nope | 21:41 |
| timelyx | no | 21:41 |
| Vulc|Bleh | all clear everything | 21:41 |
| timelyx | there are no installers | 21:41 |
| CosmicRay | sigh. | 21:41 |
| timelyx | they're only flashers | 21:42 |
| Vulc|Bleh | which repos are down? | 21:42 |
| timelyx | i'm curious, what software have you installed and how much stuff have you configured? | 21:42 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Because mine won't even finish refreshing | 21:42 |
| timelyx | Vulc|Bleh: generally the maemo.org hosted onces are | 21:42 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | yeah, but I got some things from -extras last night | 21:43 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Oh, its working... slowly, but working now | 21:44 |
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| youam | hm. my (one week old) n800 does not power on any more. it shows the nokia logo without the progress bar for a few seconds, then dims the light and shuts down after another few seconds. any ideas what's wrong with it? | 21:47 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | Youam: Try charging it for a day | 21:50 |
| Vulc|Bleh | if that doesn't work... Dunno. Maybe try removing the battery and reseating it | 21:50 |
| youam | tried reseating already, and it's already on the charger (but iirc it said it'd still have a few hours usage time left) | 21:51 |
| youam | it started misbehaving after failing on a system backup :-( | 21:51 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Reflash, if you can | 21:52 |
| Vulc|Bleh | if theres stuff you absolutely need on it... dunno | 21:52 |
| youam | Vulc|Bleh: it turned off before the flasher can connect to it | 21:54 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Did it go into host-mode, though? | 21:54 |
| hugolp | is there something wrong with the repos? | 21:54 |
| hugolp | OS2008 | 21:54 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Repos are down/sluggish because everyone is trying to upgrade at the same time | 21:54 |
| youam | anyway, i'm trying recharging it for now, but it doesn't show the "hey, i'm alive and charging" screen | 21:54 |
| hugolp | Vulc|Bleh: ok | 21:54 |
| hugolp | Ill wait for tomorrow I guess | 21:55 |
| youam | Vulc|Bleh: it showed the usb icon, but didn't stay alive long enough to actually do anything | 21:55 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Ouch | 21:55 |
| youam | funny. if i unplug the charger, the black screen goes alive, shows the nokia logo for a second, then the screen dims, two seconds later it's dead again | 21:56 |
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| timelyx | there's some magic called play dead mode | 21:57 |
| * timelyx doesn't remember the rules | 21:57 | |
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| timelyx | iirc the rules involved removing the battery or switching to r&d mode | 21:57 |
| youam | timelyx: seems to be triggered by the backup tool | 21:57 |
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| * timelyx wonders how to lie about dns to wget | 22:00 | |
| youam | timelyx: the rules for getting it into or out of this mode? :) | 22:00 |
| timelyx | oh i'm pretty sure i remember the rules for getting into it :) | 22:00 |
| timelyx | something like 10 failed boots in a row :) | 22:00 |
| timelyx | the idea being that rebooting continuously is bad for the device :) | 22:00 |
| timelyx | => play dead | 22:01 |
| youam | ah | 22:01 |
| youam | seems that taking the battery out for a minute or two helps. it booted | 22:01 |
| Vulc|Bleh | How do you even take the battery out? | 22:01 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Mine is impossible to find a way to actually grip it | 22:02 |
| timelyx | um, typically you had to put the battery in when you bought it... | 22:02 |
| timelyx | oh, the cheating way is to slap the other part of the device against your hand | 22:02 |
| timelyx | the battery should go flying :) | 22:02 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Heh, I never thought of that :( | 22:02 |
| youam | Vulc|Bleh: it's possible, but not actually as nice as for other devices. | 22:02 |
| timelyx | the more correct way is to use fingernails | 22:02 |
| timelyx | you're supposed to grow those for nit's :) | 22:02 |
| Vulc|Bleh | I have none of those | 22:02 |
| timelyx | fwiw, nails are a definite advantage for nokia tablets | 22:03 |
| timelyx | (they're a major disadvantage for apple's touch devices, it's a product differentiator :) | 22:03 |
| youam | hehe | 22:03 |
| youam | wish me luck, i'm trying the backup again | 22:03 |
| Atarii | lol ur a crazy fool | 22:04 |
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| youam | and it failed again. fsck it. | 22:04 |
| Vulc|Bleh | it could be a bad card | 22:04 |
| youam | my digicam is fine with that card | 22:05 |
| youam | and i just reformatted it within the n800, just to be sure | 22:05 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Hm | 22:05 |
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| timelyx | youam: what's this? | 22:08 |
| youam | timelyx: what? &-) | 22:09 |
| timelyx | the problem you're having | 22:11 |
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| ||cw | hm, /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found | 22:21 |
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| youam | timelyx: i think it really doesn't like the secondary sd card - with the card it's not even possible to move data from the system itself onto the primary card. with the secondary card removed, this does work | 22:24 |
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| db48x | hrm | 22:28 |
| db48x | my n800 is trying to run this elf binary as a shell script | 22:29 |
| * db48x bets it's the wrong architecture | 22:29 | |
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| timelyx | ||cw: we don't have that file, it's non-fatal, ignore it | 22:32 |
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| ferulo | grgrgr, stupid repository.maemo.org server! | 22:33 |
| ||cw | this this much be the real problem | 22:33 |
| ||cw | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1417 package `osso-af-startup': | 22:33 |
| ||cw | value for `conffiles' has malformatted line ` dc6920fa7d69e82f1a2f0920799dd461' | 22:33 |
| timelyx | youam: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org | 22:34 |
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| timelyx | youam: please include details about your memory card | 22:36 |
| timelyx | i'm not sure where you can get it, maybe dmesg? or syslog (if you can install sysklogd) | 22:37 |
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| ||cw | yup, there's a line with nothing but that value on it, gonna delet it | 22:37 |
| youam | timelyx: will do when i get my new card for the n800, so that i can figure out whether it's because of this card or because of the slot or... | 22:38 |
| ||cw | that worked, wonder what went wrong | 22:38 |
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| timelyx | ||cw: did you keep the line somewhere? | 22:41 |
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| timelyx | great, my n810 killed my n81 | 22:42 |
| thoughtfix | They fought over copyright infringement? | 22:42 |
| thoughtfix | ;) | 22:42 |
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| Knirchmas | :D | 22:43 |
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| timelyx | ok | 22:45 |
| timelyx | ||cw: can you possibly pastebin the conffiles section from osso-af-startup? | 22:46 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: nah, my n810 decided that it was ok to spend time chatting | 22:46 |
| timelyx | my n81 was responsible for the network | 22:47 |
| timelyx | actually, i'm not certain ... i also had gps-maps active and this other thing | 22:47 |
| timelyx | but it seems more likely that telepathy would hurt than stationary bluetooth gps | 22:47 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 22:48 |
| thoughtfix | Ooooh it killed the battery? | 22:48 |
| timelyx | yeah | 22:49 |
| timelyx | thankfully my n81 cried out for help and i gave it life support :) | 22:49 |
| ||cw | timeless: in a bit, update is running | 22:49 |
| maddler | hmmm... looks like BOTH my SD cards are gone... strange... | 22:50 |
| maddler | wasn't there a bug or something about SDs and OS2008? | 22:50 |
| timelyx | maddler: not that i know of | 22:50 |
| maddler | mumble... | 22:51 |
| ferulo | has anyone set up a mirror of repository.maemo.org ? | 22:51 |
| timelyx | maddler: i don't track all bugs for maemo | 22:51 |
| timelyx | ferulo: i'm building one slowly | 22:51 |
| timelyx | but technically repository seems to be akamai'd, just not usefully | 22:51 |
| ferulo | it's really needed, I think I don't have access to p.m.o anymore :) | 22:51 |
| GNUton | does anyone know kkito? | 22:55 |
| timelyx | ferulo: you're preaching to the people in the pit | 22:55 |
| timelyx | infobot seen kkito | 22:55 |
| infobot | kkito <n=offs@227.Red-83-57-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 266d 2h 6m 3s ago, saying: 'Sho_, ah ok'. | 22:55 |
| timelyx | that kkito? | 22:56 |
| GNUton | :( | 22:56 |
| GNUton | kkito had developed a inpute metod fro Qt.. | 22:56 |
| GNUton | s/fro/for | 22:56 |
| GNUton | so i want reuse his code.. | 22:56 |
| timelyx | ok, then um... that's the right kkito :) | 22:56 |
| maddler | sloooooooooooooow... damn... I'm trying since yesterday to reinstall everything... | 22:57 |
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| timelyx | hey, you could be as mean as i am :) | 23:01 |
| * timelyx is making 2 continuous requests to some instance of repository.maemo.org :) | 23:01 | |
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| maddler | timelyx: hehe | 23:06 |
| ccooke | Hmm. | 23:07 |
| ccooke | Anyone else having trouble with the n810's GPS? | 23:07 |
| ccooke | Thus far, it's done... Nothing. | 23:08 |
| maddler | ccooke: I'd be happy to try it... ;) | 23:08 |
| CosmicRay | working fine for me | 23:09 |
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| ccooke | Hmm | 23:09 |
| CosmicRay | though I am having trouble with my device not wanting to power on sometimes | 23:09 |
| ccooke | It's never yet managed to get a location | 23:09 |
| CosmicRay | usually letting it sit and then trying again 30 minutes later fixes that | 23:09 |
| CosmicRay | make sure you aren't covering up the antenna, which is in one of the upper corners | 23:09 |
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| ccooke | in the map application, pressing the satellite button gets a confusing display of (sometimes) some bars and numbers | 23:10 |
| ccooke | but.. that's it. | 23:10 |
| CosmicRay | if you get bars then you're seeing the sats | 23:10 |
| CosmicRay | how long hav eyou waited, and are you outdoors? | 23:10 |
| ccooke | CosmicRay: I've never yet had time to wait more than 15 minutes | 23:10 |
| ccooke | and usually outdoors, yes | 23:11 |
| CosmicRay | shouldn't take that long | 23:11 |
| CosmicRay | clear view of the sky? | 23:11 |
| ccooke | open space at least 40m from anything taller than me? | 23:11 |
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| ccooke | Right now I'm indoors. it's showing a few bars, but I haven't found *anything* about how to read the data | 23:12 |
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| CosmicRay | well close out the gps info screen and look at the map | 23:12 |
| ccooke | a blank green screen. | 23:13 |
| CosmicRay | perhaps you need to take a tour over the help files for the map app. it sounds like you haven't loaded the maps for your region. | 23:13 |
| ccooke | show current location gets me "Location information not available" | 23:13 |
| ccooke | No, the maps are loaded | 23:13 |
| CosmicRay | ok in that case it still doesn't have a fix | 23:13 |
| ccooke | I've been able to find places. | 23:13 |
| ccooke | do you have any idea how to read the GPS display? | 23:14 |
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| ccooke | It's frustrating having this data that does no good | 23:14 |
| CosmicRay | i don't have it in front of me, but it should be showing you the strength of the signals from various satellites | 23:14 |
| ccooke | right. | 23:14 |
| db48x | arrg | 23:14 |
| ccooke | and the numbers beneath the bars? | 23:14 |
| db48x | have you guys seen my stylus? it was around here somewhere earlier | 23:14 |
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| maddler | db48x: try whistling! :D | 23:15 |
| ccooke | right now, for instance, I see three strong bars, with two rows of numbers beneath them | 23:15 |
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| db48x | maddler: heh | 23:15 |
| maddler | damn... I can't install ANYTHING! :| | 23:16 |
| db48x | aha | 23:16 |
| db48x | behind my keyboard | 23:16 |
| maddler | if I knew that... I wouldn't upgrade... :( | 23:17 |
| maddler | db48x: as always ;) | 23:17 |
| inz | ccooke, I would guess the numbers are the numbers of the satellites | 23:18 |
| timelyx | maddler: what do you need? :) | 23:18 |
| maddler | almost everything... :) | 23:18 |
| ccooke | inz: yeah, that was my guess... but each bar has two numbers, one above the other... | 23:19 |
| inz | ccooke, whichi is most likely to reduce width | 23:19 |
| ccooke | inz: if that's the case... then this thing is seeing 51 datellites. | 23:20 |
| ccooke | and still isn't getting a lock | 23:20 |
| inz | ccooke, oh, that's not possible | 23:20 |
| ccooke | see why I doubt this? | 23:20 |
| inz | There's only 24 of them | 23:20 |
| ccooke | yes. Quite. | 23:20 |
| ccooke | I'm wondering if the upper number is "satellites I've locked on to" and the lower number "satellites I can detect" | 23:21 |
| ccooke | but hey. | 23:21 |
| ||cw | timelyx: original http://pastebin.ca/825865 I took out the line with only "dc6920fa7d69e82f1a2f0920799dd461" and it works, though there's probably a conf file that dpkg now no longer knows about | 23:22 |
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| * timelyx nods | 23:25 | |
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| timelyx | 22 Conffiosso-af-init/nice-launch-wrapper-tryrestart.sh cda6727e12a5bdd9b4e85eb8bf9db812 | 23:25 |
| timelyx | 23 | 23:25 |
| timelyx | that's strange | 23:25 |
| timelyx | a-defines.sh seems to be the one | 23:26 |
| ||cw | hm, that line is strange, but it doens't complain about it | 23:26 |
| timelyx | err | 23:27 |
| timelyx | af-defines.sh | 23:27 |
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| ||cw | huh, line 22 isn't what my file looks like... | 23:28 |
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| ||cw | af-defines.sh is in /etc/osso-af-init/? what's its hash? | 23:28 |
| timelyx | sorry, i'm not running official | 23:29 |
| timelyx | find someone else :) | 23:29 |
| timelyx | tell them how to use grep :) | 23:29 |
| etrunko | kulve: are there any -dev packages for mogg? | 23:29 |
| ||cw | I'll just leave it out, not likely to actualy cause a problem since it's a core package and I won't be dis-upgrading | 23:29 |
| timelyx | um | 23:30 |
| ||cw | dist-^ | 23:30 |
| timelyx | we hope to do upgrades eventually | 23:30 |
| ||cw | eventualy, but not likely from 2006 | 23:30 |
| timelyx | you're using 2006? | 23:30 |
| ||cw | yeah, on a 770 | 23:30 |
| ||cw | actualy, I'm more likely to flash it fresh and sell it | 23:31 |
| * timelyx turns on 770 | 23:31 | |
| ||cw | unless 2008HE is more complete than 2007HE | 23:31 |
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| ccooke | *laugh* so *now* the gps gets a signal... I should complain more often | 23:32 |
| timelyx | heh | 23:32 |
| ||cw | does OS2008 on the n800 come with the mapping software and can the maps be downloaded or purchased? | 23:33 |
| ||cw | if I get an 810 it will be for the maps and software, but if I can get those on the 800, I don't mind using bt gps and I'd like the 2 SD slots | 23:34 |
| maddler | OS2008 has no differences on N800 and N810 | 23:34 |
| maddler | :) | 23:34 |
| ||cw | but the maps come on a microsd in the 810 right? | 23:35 |
| ||cw | they don't come with the OS image right? | 23:35 |
| timelyx | um, it's a 2gb stprage slot | 23:35 |
| timelyx | which has *some* regional maps | 23:35 |
| timelyx | up to probably 1.5gb | 23:35 |
| timelyx | which is enough to cover east+west usa | 23:36 |
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| timelyx | everything else, you get to download | 23:36 |
| timelyx | (if you can find space for it) | 23:36 |
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| ||cw | which is where the 2 SD's would be nice | 23:36 |
| timelyx | maps isn't quite that flexible | 23:36 |
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| timelyx | at least, from what i've seen | 23:36 |
| ||cw | does it dl the same way maemo-mapper does or something a bit easier/faster? | 23:37 |
| timelyx | but, it's where an 8gb internal card could help :) | 23:37 |
| timelyx | a lot slower? | 23:37 |
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| timelyx | it downloads an entire region | 23:37 |
| timelyx | which may be huge (say 800mb) | 23:37 |
| timelyx | or tiny (say 8mb) | 23:37 |
| timelyx | a region might be um... | 23:37 |
| ||cw | interesting | 23:37 |
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| ||cw | street only as well? | 23:37 |
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| timelyx | you can see water :) | 23:38 |
| ||cw | or topo's and/or sat images? | 23:38 |
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| timelyx | but no ferry paths that i can see | 23:38 |
| timelyx | just one set of maps | 23:38 |
| timelyx | singapore is 1mb | 23:39 |
| timelyx | usa east is 733mb | 23:39 |
| ||cw | used my 770 on a canoe trip last fall with sat image, was very nice | 23:39 |
| timelyx | i used my 770 traveling through europe and the states | 23:39 |
| timelyx | it worked well | 23:39 |
| timelyx | although it'd have been slightly better in europe w/ a working bt gp | 23:40 |
| timelyx | s | 23:40 |
| timelyx | at one point i borrowed a non working bt gps | 23:40 |
| ||cw | but PoI and actualy downloading the maps is a pain | 23:40 |
| timelyx | fwiw, i have yet to see a map downloader ui i actually liked | 23:41 |
| timelyx | the one for 2008's Map application is by far the simplest | 23:41 |
| timelyx | and when it doesn't fail, it basically works | 23:41 |
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| timelyx | the Nokia Map Downloader (for Nokia Series 60 Maps which is unrelated to the 2008 Map application) is prettier, has more features, but actually bothered me more | 23:42 |
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| timelyx | since it repeatedly failed after hours of downloading and insisted i start over from the beginning | 23:42 |
| timelyx | (it didn't save any of the work, even though it was downloading to my laptop first) | 23:43 |
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| dskippy | I looking for someone to hlep me debug my pymaemo (Python2.5 for the OS2008) install. I'm getting a very breif "download failed" message when I install. I'm working off the tutorial on garage. | 23:43 |
| db48x | yea, that's annoying | 23:43 |
| timelyx | as for maemomapper, its ui might leave the other two to be desired, it works and does what you tell it | 23:43 |
| timelyx | unfortunately it forces you to work w/in certain constraints | 23:43 |
| dskippy | I did this last night with another device and it worked. | 23:43 |
| timelyx | db48x: which phone did you use it w/? :) | 23:44 |
| dskippy | I'm wondering if anyone can help me 1) ensure that it's the site that is misbahaving and 2) help me find a mirrored .deb | 23:44 |
| timelyx | note: the Map application just doesn't let you batch downloads | 23:44 |
| timelyx | so it's not exactly like it's really "better", just "not worse" because it's missing the feature | 23:44 |
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| db48x | timelyx: oh, I'm falling behind. it's annoying that the map app is so inflexible | 23:45 |
| db48x | though fwiw, it has much the same problem with downloads | 23:45 |
| db48x | if the download fails half way through it throws away whatever it managed to download | 23:45 |
| * timelyx nods | 23:45 | |
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| db48x | this is supposed to be the future | 23:46 |
| timelyx | given that corruption can happen | 23:46 |
| timelyx | i'm not quite sure i blame it | 23:46 |
| kdean06 | I'm thinking I'll pull the trigger on on an n800 tonight. When tethering to a mobile phone what internet connection speeds should be expected. I keep seeing "dialup internet through mobile". Does it use dialup (i.e. 14.4) or does it use the data capability of the phone/network? | 23:46 |
| timelyx | my mmc w/ maps is corrupted | 23:46 |
| timelyx | so perhaps starting over isn't such a bad idea ;-) | 23:46 |
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| db48x | well, it can deal with that by hashing the data and making sure it matches up | 23:46 |
| slapin_nb | hi, all! | 23:46 |
| slapin_nb | is there some mirror for repository.maemo.org? | 23:47 |
| timelyx | slapin_nb: no | 23:47 |
| db48x | but there's no excuse for not letting it recover an interrupted download, especially when the files are so large | 23:47 |
| timelyx | in theory there's a mirror network | 23:47 |
| timelyx | db48x: yeah well... i'm not defending maps | 23:47 |
| timelyx | i gave people a long buglist | 23:47 |
| timelyx | and well... | 23:47 |
| dskippy | slapin_nb, are you having issues download and installing from the site? | 23:47 |
| db48x | I'm sure they thanked for that :) | 23:47 |
| * timelyx rolls eyes | 23:47 | |
| dskippy | It wouldn't be pymaemo by any chance would it? | 23:47 |
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| slapin_nb | dskippy, yeah, very slow and sometimes time-outs :( | 23:48 |
| timelyx | actually, i think they kinda thanked me for the big double sized paper where i had scrolled my list | 23:48 |
| timelyx | :) | 23:48 |
| dhdfoo | kdean06: I get 3G speed tethered to my N75 | 23:48 |
| dskippy | slapin_nb, are you trying to download pymaemo? | 23:48 |
| dhdfoo | it's quite usable though there is high latency | 23:48 |
| dskippy | I'm also having a hard time getting python2.5 into the scratchbox today. | 23:48 |
| slapin_nb | dskippy, no, just trying to get indexes for maemo4 using apt :( | 23:49 |
| timelyx | it seems to run in spurts | 23:49 |
| timelyx | slapin_nb: i can probably get you indexes | 23:49 |
| dskippy | I get errors every time I run apt-get inside scratchbox. | 23:49 |
| timelyx | if you have some way to cheat | 23:49 |
| kdean06 | dhdfoo, Excellent, thank you. :) | 23:49 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/ | 23:49 |
| timelyx | slapin_nb: is that what you need? | 23:49 |
| slapin_nb | dskippy, I had no problems before not so long ago | 23:49 |
| slapin_nb | timeless, yes, thanks! | 23:50 |
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| timelyx | slapin_nb: the server is currently fairly hollow, but eventually i'll fill it out | 23:50 |
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| dskippy | slapin_nb, I installed pymaemo on another n800 last night and it worked great. | 23:50 |
| dskippy | Must be the site :( | 23:50 |
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| GNUton | hildon menus is created viaQDbus? | 23:51 |
| GNUton | via Dbus? | 23:51 |
| timelyx | ?? | 23:51 |
| GNUton | can a non hildon application create hildon menu using dbus? | 23:51 |
| slapin_nb | dskippy, it works from time to time, but today I having lots of trouble. | 23:52 |
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| dskippy | slapin_nb, Have you had issues installing stuff from the scratchbox today by any chance? Has anyone? | 23:52 |
| ||cw | kdean06: you should get whatever speeds your phone can get | 23:53 |
| ||cw | dskippy: yes, servers are heavily laoded today | 23:54 |
| dskippy | Hm. Guess that means I'll just have to wait 'til tomorrow. At least it's not my stupidity or bad tutorials. | 23:55 |
| dskippy | Thanks, slapin_nb and ||cw. | 23:55 |
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