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| timely | >If you agree, you have 1 hours of time to download the software after which the acceptance must be renewed. | 00:01 |
| * timely sighs | 00:01 | |
| timely | sp3000: do you see anything wrong w/ that sentence? :) | 00:01 |
| Anastasia | nokia has the worst web presence I have ever seen from a big company :-( | 00:01 |
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| dragorn | felipec: thanks | 00:02 |
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| FMz | This is killin me. | 00:03 |
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| angrymg | ouch | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | timely: does Bugzilla have a "related bug" thing? I've seen blocks/depends on, but no "relateD" | 00:04 |
| timely | only a bug requesting that | 00:05 |
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| halley | http://halley.cc/screenshot10.png http://halley.cc/screenshot05.png | 00:06 |
| sp3000 | Anastasia: it'd be ok but for those darn users | 00:08 |
| sp3000 | try again, it'll come around | 00:08 |
| sp3000 | timely: 1 hours eh | 00:08 |
| skibur | hopes for N800 - OS2008 - Abiword | 00:08 |
| xan | halley, looks pretty neat | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | halley: very cool | 00:09 |
| halley | I think you guys should really give them some slack. Who else but maybe Sun would host a corporate website from their own product? Okay, so a Nokia 770 isn't like a Sunfire. :) | 00:09 |
| Jaffa | hehe | 00:09 |
| * Jaffa beds. | 00:09 | |
| * tigert notices last.fm is down | 00:10 | |
| tigert | suck | 00:10 |
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| skibur | jaffa | 00:12 |
| skibur | how do you send message on irc? | 00:12 |
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| skibur | I see | 00:12 |
| skibur | * Jaffa beds. | 00:12 |
| timely | /me ... | 00:13 |
| skibur | do you use "/msg #maemo beds. | 00:13 |
| * timely ... | 00:13 | |
| * Jaffa uses /me | 00:13 | |
| timely | http://irchelp.org | 00:13 |
| * felipec /me /me | 00:13 | |
| * timeless oddly uses ,me | 00:13 | |
| timeless | /me isn't special here | 00:14 |
| timeless | but that's because i reconfigure this client | 00:14 |
| timeless | /etc/hosts | 00:14 |
| timeless | /etc/passwd | 00:14 |
| timeless | / is too important to reserve for irc commands :) | 00:14 |
| timeless | http://irchelp.org | 00:14 |
| halley | Er, /say /etc/hosts | 00:14 |
| felipec | the exaflood is comming | 00:15 |
| skibur | o ok | 00:15 |
| timeless | try pasting paths :) | 00:15 |
| * skibur beds | 00:15 | |
| halley | Pastes don't trigger / commands on this client. | 00:15 |
| skibur | cool | 00:15 |
| halley | Should say, multiple-line pastes. | 00:15 |
| timeless | my client is console | 00:15 |
| timeless | it doesn't know what a paste is | 00:15 |
| skibur | I can hack the crap out of the Nintendo DS Lite - Linux, but I can't understand irc commands | 00:15 |
| skibur | lol | 00:16 |
| * skibur :P | 00:16 | |
| youam | timeless: irssi knows that words starting with / are *not* irc-commands when they have a second / somewhere in them, and you can escape a starting / with a "/ ", so "/ /me" would be: | 00:16 |
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| youam | /me | 00:16 |
| timeless | take your ds's web browser to irchelp.org | 00:16 |
| skibur | lol | 00:16 |
| timeless | *** Unknown command: A,A | 00:16 |
| timeless | epic clearly doesn't | 00:17 |
| skibur | later peeps | 00:17 |
| skibur | happy hacking | 00:17 |
| * skibur hacking is all I know | 00:17 | |
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| unique311 | maemo repository is down? | 00:32 |
| fnordage_ | ish | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | It sorta works | 00:32 |
| unique311 | guessing thats a yes | 00:33 |
| GAN800 | Enough, maybe, to get some of the info while updating | 00:33 |
| unique311 | sorta...i don't believe in sorta anymore. | 00:33 |
| fnordage_ | perhaps. i'm finally getting some stuff installed, but even nano took ages | 00:33 |
| unique311 | can somebody sorta be dying? | 00:33 |
| ph|ber | y0y0 | 00:34 |
| fnordage_ | yep, we all are, kinda | 00:34 |
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| unique311 | kinda another one i don't believe in | 00:34 |
| unique311 | lol | 00:34 |
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| unique311 | wonder how many people died because of sorta, kinda, maybe, etc... | 00:36 |
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| fnordage_ | they've sorta got WMDs ? | 00:37 |
| unique311 | see | 00:37 |
| unique311 | can really picture him saying that word......thanks for pointing that out fnordage_ | 00:38 |
| fnordage_ | but Alfed Korzybski said "Any proposition containing the word is, creates a linguistic structural confusion that eventually gives birth to serious fallacies." | 00:39 |
| fnordage_ | so "sorta", "kinda" and "probly" seem better to me anyhow | 00:40 |
| unique311 | trying to think of a proposition containing (is).... | 00:41 |
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| tigert | facebook removed the mandatory "is" | 00:42 |
| tigert | and now I want it back :( | 00:42 |
| tigert | it made status updates a bit more fun in finnish at least :) | 00:42 |
| ph|ber | anyone gotten to the OS update on nokia? | 00:43 |
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| GAN800 | Not from Nokia | 00:43 |
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| zerojay | Yep. | 00:43 |
| GAN800 | But there are a thousand and one mirrors on ITT | 00:43 |
| zerojay | For the N800 version anyways. | 00:43 |
| ph|ber | i need 810 | 00:43 |
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| ph|ber | and canola complains about other software. | 00:44 |
| unique311 | no you don't | 00:44 |
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| ph|ber | ? | 00:44 |
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| angrymg | oh yay, my allotted hour must have ended | 00:45 |
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| angrymg | image download just stopped after 35 megs | 00:45 |
| unique311 | you need water ph|ber? | 00:45 |
| unique311 | not an 810 | 00:46 |
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| ph|ber | huh? | 00:46 |
| fnordage_ | angriermg now perhaps? | 00:46 |
| * unique311 still trying to place an (is) in a proposal | 00:46 | |
| fnordage_ | "is you gonna marry me?" | 00:47 |
| unique311 | lol | 00:47 |
| tigert | "i can has cheezburger" | 00:47 |
| ph|ber | anyone have RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin they can put up somewhere? | 00:47 |
| unique311 | oh...i wasn't too sure on using slang | 00:47 |
| fnordage_ | Alfred wouldn't approve of slang | 00:48 |
| unique311 | not sure i would marry a chick, if she came at me that way with the proposal | 00:49 |
| fnordage_ | Especially the morning after. | 00:49 |
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| unique311 | 'is you going to merger with our company or what?" | 00:49 |
| tigert | unique311: "i can has wife?" | 00:49 |
| tigert | that doesnt have is though | 00:50 |
| tigert | :) | 00:50 |
| fnordage_ | rofl | 00:50 |
| * tigert is tired | 00:50 | |
| tigert | time to sleep soon, laters | 00:50 |
| celesteh | you want have engagement ring? | 00:50 |
| unique311 | peace | 00:50 |
| fnordage_ | tra | 00:50 |
| fnordage_ | did u see the "busted" lolcat on cheezbrger ? | 00:51 |
| unique311 | so a question beginning with (is) is also forbidden fnordage_ | 00:51 |
| fnordage_ | is it? | 00:51 |
| unique311 | shit | 00:52 |
| * unique311 is not sure | 00:52 | |
| fnordage_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Korzybski | 00:52 |
| unique311 | "is you going to marry me" is a question. ______ can place (sorta, kinda) but won't. | 00:53 |
| ph|ber | what is the default user and password for the 810?? if you are sshin in | 00:54 |
| fnordage_ | root, rootme | 00:54 |
| fnordage_ | probly | 00:54 |
| unique311 | its rootme | 00:54 |
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| fnordage_ | unique: nicely avoided "is" there | 00:55 |
| angrymg | so, anybody interested in the eula? | 00:55 |
| fnordage_ | i wasn't | 00:56 |
| unique311 | it's | 00:56 |
| fnordage_ | should we be interested in the EULA, if, for example, we've mirrored OS2008, or something? | 00:59 |
| shackan | fnordage_: maybe the eula states wheter you can freely distribute it or not? | 01:00 |
| unique311 | you can't | 01:00 |
| shackan | right | 01:01 |
| shackan | problem solved | 01:01 |
| unique311 | but its happening anayways. | 01:01 |
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| unique311 | so people don't really care for eula | 01:01 |
| fnordage_ | well, maemo.org can't distribute it either | 01:02 |
| * angrymg adapts http://thpinfo.com/2006/soulseduction-wget for downloading IT OS images from tablet-dev | 01:03 | |
| zerojay | Quim thanked people that had put up mirrors, so I don't think we have to worry about them telling us to stop hosting them because an EULA wasn't accepted. | 01:03 |
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| zerojay | Hell, even Texrat was trying to put up a mirror on Jablet and he works for Nokia. | 01:04 |
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| ph|ber | is the gps enabled by default on the 810? | 01:04 |
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| fnordage_ | angrymg: nice idea. | 01:04 |
| ph|ber | nm | 01:04 |
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| fnordage_ | how fast does the cookie expire? | 01:05 |
| zerojay | 1 hour. | 01:05 |
| ph|ber | hrm. yea.. previsious question | 01:05 |
| angrymg | hahaha | 01:05 |
| angrymg | 01:05:15 ERROR 504: Gateway Time-out. | 01:05 |
| angrymg | and no automatic retry | 01:06 |
| ph|ber | yeah, been that way all damn day. | 01:07 |
| fnordage_ | trust apple to push out a leopard security update just now, to prove how this should be done <ducks> | 01:08 |
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| ph|ber | sweet! started download.. | 01:13 |
| ph|ber | @ 13k.. but hey.. im not picky | 01:13 |
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| angrymg | luxury! | 01:13 |
| angrymg | the dial-up modem connected to the nokia's web server must be smoking | 01:14 |
| ph|ber | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 01:14 |
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| ph|ber | ERROR | 01:14 |
| ph|ber | The requested URL could not be retrieved | 01:14 |
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| timeless | angrymg: eula, pleawse | 01:19 |
| angrymg | oops | 01:20 |
| angrymg | don't have it any more | 01:20 |
| fnordianslip | is gronmeyer.com borked aswell? | 01:20 |
| angrymg | I thought | 01:20 |
| angrymg | I thought I saved it in a file, but now I see the file is empty | 01:20 |
| timeless | eh | 01:21 |
| timeless | oh btw | 01:22 |
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| * timeless ponders | 01:22 | |
| timeless | um... hrm... | 01:22 |
| * angrymg wonders if the server really supports partial GET or not | 01:22 | |
| fnordianslip | timeless sounds like a teletubby | 01:22 |
| zerojay | Hahahaha. | 01:23 |
| zerojay | Best completely random line ever. | 01:23 |
| fnordianslip | tnx | 01:23 |
| Anastasia | Anyone else getting this trying to download: An error occurred while processing your request. | 01:23 |
| zerojay | Everyone is. | 01:23 |
| Anastasia | Every time I get in and try it so far I get that. | 01:23 |
| Anastasia | Ah, OK, will be PATIENT :-) | 01:24 |
| Anastasia | Thanks | 01:24 |
| timeless | good :) | 01:24 |
| Anastasia | IG! :-) | 01:24 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a changelog somewhere for the os2008 release? | 01:34 |
| ph|ber | im sure it is. | 01:34 |
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| fnordianslip | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_38-2_changes.html | 01:35 |
| angrymg | that's not a changelog | 01:36 |
| angrymg | that's a diff of package versions | 01:36 |
| angrymg | ... isn't it? | 01:36 |
| fnordianslip | sorry. close though | 01:36 |
| Segnale007 | hi guys | 01:37 |
| Segnale007 | but | 01:37 |
| Segnale007 | all the repos are down today ? | 01:37 |
| sirgt | looks like | 01:38 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 01:43 |
| Toni | hi hi | 01:43 |
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| Toni | ok, it works still :) | 01:48 |
| fnordianslip | anyone remember which repo had xchat for os2008. don't want to enable them all to find it. | 01:48 |
| fnordianslip | ah. it wasn't in a repo. found the deb. | 01:51 |
| FMz | Anyone had any more luck downloading the new OS? | 01:55 |
| ph|ber | im getting it now. | 01:55 |
| ph|ber | @ 13-16k/sec | 01:55 |
| ph|ber | 2 hours left. | 01:55 |
| FMz | Holy crap | 01:55 |
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| ph|ber | cant freaking download the flasher-3.0 though | 01:55 |
| FMz | This is insane. Multimillion dollar corporation can't afford decent web-hosting. | 01:56 |
| fnordianslip | uu want flasher-3.0 for x86? | 01:59 |
| ph|ber | yes | 01:59 |
| fnordianslip | http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/flasher-3.0 | 01:59 |
| ph|ber | ty | 01:59 |
| ph|ber | sweet thanks. | 02:00 |
| fnordianslip | think it'll work. it was on my Ubuntu box in the downloads folder. haven't tried it though. | 02:00 |
| fnordianslip | is also against some kind of eula? | 02:01 |
| fnordianslip | is that, i mean | 02:01 |
| flip^ | i'm getting annoyed with things giving me "error occurred while processing your request" on maemo sites :S | 02:02 |
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| FMz | flip^: I hear ya. | 02:06 |
| FMz | I haven't even gotten to the form yet. | 02:06 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 02:06 |
| tigert | I am sure its not about "affording" | 02:06 |
| flip^ | I got the update off a mirror.. it's trying to get things off repositories thats being a pain now :( | 02:06 |
| tigert | its just probably unexpected surge | 02:06 |
| FMz | flip^: URL? ;) | 02:07 |
| FMz | tigert: I'm sure it wouldn't take much for them to double bandwidth for a week or two, to keep up with demand. :) | 02:07 |
| fnordianslip | i've got the n800 image up if thats what u want? | 02:07 |
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| flip^ | FMz: there're several urls on an ITT topic | 02:08 |
| flip^ | or just as fnordianslip by the sound of it | 02:08 |
| tigert | FMz: I am sure that will happen once people get back to work and see the situation :) | 02:08 |
| fnordianslip | http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.zip | 02:09 |
| FMz | tigert: true... heh | 02:09 |
| tigert | its 2am you know | 02:09 |
| FMz | fnordianslip: I love you. | 02:09 |
| tigert | and I should sleep tpp | 02:09 |
| tigert | too even | 02:09 |
| FMz | Now, that is for the n800, right? | 02:09 |
| fnordianslip | yep | 02:09 |
| FMz | I want your babies. | 02:09 |
| fnordianslip | i'll zip them up and post them | 02:09 |
| FMz | lmao | 02:09 |
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| Skrylar_ | One of these days I'm going to break that TV | 02:14 |
| fnordianslip | why, did you see a maemo advert? | 02:14 |
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| fnordianslip | does anyone have the python2.5-runtime deb for os2008? i've got almost everything i need for now, but that sucker is too big for maemo.org to manage at the mo | 02:17 |
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| alterego | Convert to Ruby, you won't regret it. | 02:18 |
| Skrylar_ | fnordianslip: No.. are there any maemo adverts? | 02:18 |
| alterego | In fact, you'll love me for it. | 02:18 |
| Skrylar_ | Says the ruby porter | 02:18 |
| Skrylar_ | :P | 02:18 |
| alterego | Yup | 02:18 |
| fnordianslip | dunno. i was joking. | 02:18 |
| Skrylar_ | I was going to go hang out downstairs, but of course when I go up to fetch my macbook... my dad steals my seat and turns the horrible TV on | 02:19 |
| Skrylar_ | D: | 02:19 |
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| fnordianslip | 'll take a look at ruby. is it OO? | 02:20 |
| zerojay | Hey Dan. | 02:20 |
| fnordianslip | blame the missing "i" on the MacBook Pro keyboard problem | 02:20 |
| FMz | thoughtfix: Hey man, thanks for the Youtube vids. I bought my n800 a month ago thanks to your reviews. | 02:20 |
| thoughtfix | Yay | 02:20 |
| thoughtfix | Hi | 02:20 |
| FMz | Working on updating it now :) | 02:20 |
| thoughtfix | So much for an OS2008 review. I can't even load tablets-dev | 02:20 |
| penguinbait | Thoughtfix, NIT, really :) | 02:20 |
| thoughtfix | NIT! | 02:21 |
| thoughtfix | Nit wit! | 02:21 |
| FMz | Yeah, it's crazy right now. | 02:21 |
| alterego | thoughtfix, plug ruby-maemo for me :P | 02:21 |
| penguinbait | NIT = lice egg | 02:21 |
| penguinbait | ok maybe nit = lice egg | 02:21 |
| zerojay | NITwit = tablet fan. ;) | 02:21 |
| alterego | Someone should do a "then and _Now!_" article. | 02:21 |
| Skrylar_ | Any word on when Nokia is going to stop being greedy with the N800 version of OS2008? | 02:22 |
| fnordianslip | then and very much later you mean | 02:22 |
| penguinbait | there are a lot of nitwits around here ;) | 02:22 |
| zerojay | Skrylar_: They aren't being greedy whatsoever. | 02:22 |
| thoughtfix | Greedy? | 02:22 |
| FMz | If I thought it legal, I'd host the update binary. | 02:22 |
| Skrylar_ | Last I read they were withholding it | 02:22 |
| thoughtfix | Torrent it <3 | 02:22 |
| thoughtfix | ;) | 02:22 |
| zerojay | Skrylar_: You read wrong. Their servers can't handle demand. | 02:22 |
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| thoughtfix | No one knows YOU posted it on Pirate Bay! | 02:22 |
| thoughtfix | I can't get the update :( | 02:23 |
| fnordianslip | FMz: u get it ok ? | 02:23 |
| Skrylar_ | thoughtfix: A bunch of people were faking 810 serial numbers and downloading it :S | 02:23 |
| FMz | They will when they look at IRC logs... lol | 02:23 |
| FMz | Yeah fnordianslip, I got it :) | 02:23 |
| sp3000 | Skrylar_: ...you've missed both the beta and the final release? | 02:23 |
| thoughtfix | Wait | 02:23 |
| zerojay | Skrylar_: A month or so ago, sure.. but right now you can't even do that. | 02:23 |
| Skrylar_ | oO | 02:23 |
| thoughtfix | Didn't OS2008 for the N800 get official today too? | 02:23 |
| thoughtfix | I must have missed that | 02:23 |
| * Skrylar_ did it... oops. | 02:23 | |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: Yes. | 02:23 |
| FMz | Yeah thoughtfix. | 02:23 |
| thoughtfix | Oh... WERE faking N810 serials. | 02:24 |
| thoughtfix | <-- blond | 02:24 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: I don't think you missed anything. I think Skrylar_ is about a month behind. ;) | 02:24 |
| Skrylar_ | It's possible :P | 02:24 |
| FMz | Wow, Microsoft .NET framework takes a while to install considering it's only 22 mb | 02:24 |
| Skrylar_ | If it came out today, then there's no way I'd have known about it. | 02:24 |
| Skrylar_ | FMz: "Microsoft" should've given that away. | 02:25 |
| thoughtfix | <-- WAY too busy lately | 02:25 |
| FMz | Skrylar_: So true. | 02:25 |
| Skrylar_ | It's got all of those sleep statements that way they can release a later one with less of them, and call it a speed boost. | 02:25 |
| FMz | lmao | 02:25 |
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| FMz | Updating this feels so good, I think I'll need a cigarette afterwards. | 02:26 |
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| Skrylar_ | The lack of daggerfall on the n800 makes me sad :( | 02:26 |
| fnordianslip | i demand the python2.5-runtime deb for OS2008. Now. | 02:27 |
| * Skrylar_ is working on a CPU translator to play daggerfall | 02:27 | |
| Skrylar_ | fnordianslip: I demand Ruby. | 02:27 |
| zerojay | fnordianslip: Demanding just assures you won't get what you want. | 02:27 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 02:27 |
| penguinbait | I got my logitech cordless rumblepad working, now I just need some games | 02:27 |
| edt | ruby IS available on os2008 - it works too | 02:27 |
| fnordianslip | i'm not getting it anyway, so where's the harm. | 02:27 |
| thoughtfix | Hahahaha | 02:27 |
| thoughtfix | So like ... you can dcc me the image right? | 02:27 |
| thoughtfix | ;) | 02:27 |
| edt | and here | 02:28 |
| fnordianslip | is it smaller then python? | 02:28 |
| Skrylar_ | I was under the impression OS2008 was updatable through the wizzard now | 02:28 |
| thoughtfix | haha | 02:28 |
| Skrylar_ | Unless suckage is in progress | 02:28 |
| thoughtfix | Yah but I have OS2008 beta | 02:28 |
| thoughtfix | and it says | 02:28 |
| edt | IF it would not tmie out | 02:28 |
| zerojay | Skrylar_: Again, you're stuck in the past. :) | 02:28 |
| thoughtfix | Wait ... let me get the error | 02:28 |
| Skrylar_ | zerojay: ? | 02:28 |
| Skrylar_ | So.. | 02:28 |
| Skrylar_ | What's going on, then | 02:28 |
| FMz | OK, stupid question, what is the "swap key"? | 02:28 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: You need the final for N800? | 02:28 |
| thoughtfix | "There are no automatic updates available for your device" | 02:28 |
| fnordianslip | thoughtfix. if u want the n800 image, scroll up | 02:29 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: Server's down. | 02:29 |
| FMz | I know how to use it all, I just don't know the names of the keys... heh | 02:29 |
| Skrylar_ | FMz: It's the home button | 02:29 |
| FMz | Awesome, you're a star | 02:29 |
| edt | which is what I get too - tablet-dev times out | 02:29 |
| edt | FMz the home key | 02:29 |
| Skrylar_ | the backwards arrow above it is the Escape key | 02:29 |
| thoughtfix | Scroll where? | 02:29 |
| sp3000 | down? last I checked I got 6/20 requests through | 02:29 |
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| zerojay | thoughtfix: http://szucsati.info/internettablet/firmware/n800/ | 02:29 |
| alterego | The ruby install is marginally smaller than Python I believe. Baring in mind that the python dist has been stripped of stuff that they don't think needs to be on the tablets. I've not quite got around to doing that with Ruby yet :D | 02:29 |
| fnordianslip | ah.. u too late. need link again? | 02:30 |
| thoughtfix | oooooh | 02:30 |
| thoughtfix | Win! | 02:30 |
| fnordianslip | is that a yes? | 02:30 |
| zerojay | I was going to DCC it to ya, but I figure at least this way, you'd probably get it faster. | 02:30 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: Also, the repos are getting nailed so... | 02:30 |
| zerojay | I saw new packages listed. | 02:31 |
| zerojay | camera-test and microphone-test. | 02:31 |
| alterego | Whoever put that there is a bit naughty .. | 02:31 |
| zerojay | Two new themes. | 02:31 |
| alterego | zerojay, I'm starting to think they're on the same machine ;) | 02:31 |
| thoughtfix | And gnotify is back | 02:31 |
| thoughtfix | er | 02:31 |
| thoughtfix | mnotify | 02:31 |
| thoughtfix | I missed that when I was using the N810 | 02:31 |
| penguinbait | Why is everyone in such a hurry to get final 2008 os, KDE runs the same on both? ;) | 02:31 |
| alterego | You think they would have noticed from the last time too :D | 02:32 |
| alterego | KDE is a waste of time. | 02:32 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: You'll have to mention the new Getting Started app. Basically a full screen flash style animation showing you the basics of using the tablet. Perfect for beginners. | 02:32 |
| penguinbait | you don't like my attemtp at humor | 02:32 |
| FMz | o_O KDE on n800? | 02:32 |
| zerojay | Yep. | 02:32 |
| FMz | =/ | 02:32 |
| FMz | Not sure how I feel about that. | 02:32 |
| zerojay | I'm going to have to give it another shot sometime soon. | 02:33 |
| alterego | I feel slightly morbid about it :D | 02:33 |
| penguinbait | alterego, printing and full office suite is not a waste of time to me | 02:33 |
| alterego | I kind of wish KDE would disappear all together anyhow :P | 02:33 |
| zerojay | I love it... but I still find myself rather using the default tablet OS. | 02:33 |
| zerojay | alterego: Why? Gnome needs someone to follow behind. | 02:33 |
| FMz | KDE4, man... give it a chance. | 02:33 |
| alterego | It'd be more use to the community if you helped a full office suite for IT OS .. | 02:34 |
| penguinbait | is it out of beta yet? | 02:34 |
| alterego | Printer support to, it's not like it's hard. | 02:34 |
| zerojay | alterego: KOffice. | 02:34 |
| thoughtfix | I am thinking of KDE ... on my eeepc | 02:34 |
| thoughtfix | Only 27 minutes left to download the image | 02:34 |
| zerojay | As much as I love KDE 3, so far KDE 4 looks like a step down so far. | 02:34 |
| zerojay | er. | 02:34 |
| alterego | We need OOo on the tablet .. | 02:34 |
| zerojay | My brain repeats a lot. | 02:34 |
| alterego | Really, :D | 02:34 |
| FMz | I have to say, first glance, you can easily see the performance boost after the update. | 02:35 |
| zerojay | alterego: No, we really REALLY don't unless you like super slow apps. | 02:35 |
| thoughtfix | alterego: I don't think OOo would be a good platform for the tablet | 02:35 |
| zerojay | alterego: Also, needs Java for OOo. | 02:35 |
| shackan | abiword and gnumeric would be a better fit | 02:35 |
| zerojay | I'm going to try this WeBot thingie. | 02:35 |
| penguinbait | the tablet n900 need 600mhz with 512 ram and 1024x768 :) | 02:36 |
| thoughtfix | Google Docs is still my favorite - especially with the new moz core | 02:36 |
| alterego | OOo wouldn't even run on the tablet. | 02:36 |
| thoughtfix | hahahaha | 02:36 |
| thoughtfix | that's a laptop sir | 02:36 |
| thoughtfix | I wonder | 02:36 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: http://www.webot.com, apparently works on the tablets, streams music/photos from wherever, video coming in the future. | 02:36 |
| zerojay | Works with Windows, Mac OS and Linux. | 02:37 |
| thoughtfix | I am already Emailing them back and forth ;) | 02:37 |
| thoughtfix | <-- bugs PR people | 02:37 |
| zerojay | Ah.. cool. | 02:37 |
| thoughtfix | Except this month, a metric ton of PR people are bugging ME | 02:37 |
| zerojay | really? How did that happen? | 02:37 |
| thoughtfix | CES | 02:37 |
| penguinbait | ZJ are you running KDE on 2008OS? | 02:37 |
| zerojay | Oh, okay. | 02:37 |
| thoughtfix | Come visit us for blah blah blah | 02:37 |
| thoughtfix | booth blah blah blah | 02:37 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: No, I'm not at the moment, but I'm interested in trying it out again sometime soon. | 02:38 |
| thoughtfix | exclusive invite! (and they forgot to bcc 1500 other journalists) | 02:38 |
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| zerojay | lol | 02:38 |
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| shackan | thoughtfix: well, isn't that good? | 02:38 |
| thoughtfix | No they cc'd ... instead of bcc | 02:39 |
| shackan | hehe | 02:39 |
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| edt | nokia needs to figure out a better way to supply updates... | 02:41 |
| alterego | `apt-get update` is the plan I believe ;) | 02:41 |
| penguinbait | zerojay, I sent you some links in PM on ITT | 02:42 |
| edt | along with a suite of mirrors I hope | 02:42 |
| edt | one site is just plain stupid | 02:42 |
| alterego | Right, my image is downloaded. I'm gonna go to bed and flash it in the morning. Good night folks. | 02:42 |
| penguinbait | yeah, you seem a little grumpy ;) | 02:43 |
| penguinbait | get some sleep :) | 02:43 |
| shackan | edt: oh bittorrent wouldn't be so hard to set up | 02:43 |
| alterego | You'd be grumpy too if you'd been working as much as me today -_- | 02:43 |
| alterego | Anyhow, g'night. | 02:43 |
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| zerojay | penguinbait: Thanks. Not sure I'll be trying it yet though... don't really have much space on my cards at the moment.. we'll see. | 02:44 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Well, I'll get curious or something. | 02:44 |
| zerojay | Yeah... might as well. | 02:44 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Thanks. | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | np, use it if you like :) | 02:44 |
| penguinbait | I cant wait to have my n810 in hand, and use it with a built in keyboard | 02:45 |
| zerojay | Same here. | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | that will be very usefull | 02:45 |
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| penguinbait | still somtime this week supposedly right? | 02:45 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: Heh... If you sign up for Webot but don't actually download the bot software, you can't seem to be able to download it ever again. lol | 02:45 |
| zerojay | I'm hoping. | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | me 2 | 02:45 |
| thoughtfix | Re-register with fake credentials? | 02:46 |
| zerojay | guess I could. | 02:46 |
| FMz | This is beautiful | 02:46 |
| FMz | For all that are going through the rigmoroll of updating, it's worth it. | 02:47 |
| thoughtfix | Are you going from OS2007 or OS2008 Beta to OS2008? | 02:47 |
| zerojay | I am. | 02:48 |
| FMz | Nope, OS2007 - OS2008, straight shot | 02:48 |
| thoughtfix | Yes... It's massively reworked since OS2007 | 02:48 |
| thoughtfix | Hehe. I remember OS2005 | 02:49 |
| thoughtfix | It was ... | 02:49 |
| thoughtfix | ... | 02:49 |
| FMz | o_O | 02:49 |
| thoughtfix | Utilitarian? | 02:49 |
| thoughtfix | read: boring! | 02:49 |
| FMz | It's come a LONG way, then... heh | 02:49 |
| thoughtfix | Indeed | 02:50 |
| thoughtfix | I thought my blog would be read by maybe 40-50 fans | 02:50 |
| thoughtfix | 1.2 million pageviews later.... | 02:50 |
| FMz | Wow dude... awesome. You've certainly had an effect on the market. | 02:51 |
| FMz | I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have bought one if it weren't for your in-depth reviews. | 02:51 |
| thoughtfix | Thank you for the compliment. I am lucky I started writing about the right platform at the right time | 02:52 |
| thoughtfix | I could've blogged about PDAs | 02:52 |
| thoughtfix | Or the Sony Mylo | 02:52 |
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| thoughtfix | I started ultramobilegeek for the UMPC platform - which got killed by Vista for a couple years at least | 02:53 |
| thoughtfix | So I transformed that to non-Nokia Linux system blogging | 02:53 |
| FMz | I'd definitely say you backed a winner. | 02:53 |
| FMz | Or, ended up backing a winner... heh | 02:53 |
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| fnordianslip | D'oh. Python2.5.-runtime almost finished then died at the last moment. | 02:54 |
| thoughtfix | No - tabletblog is older | 02:55 |
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| thoughtfix | Started two years ago | 02:55 |
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| thoughtfix | ultramobilegeek started 7 months later, I think | 02:55 |
| thoughtfix | 7 minutes remain until I can update | 02:55 |
| fnordianslip | how long til u post the review? | 02:55 |
| thoughtfix | I could start it now | 02:56 |
| thoughtfix | I know a lot of the changes already | 02:56 |
| thoughtfix | but. ... I'll start from scratch | 02:56 |
| thoughtfix | Notes | 02:56 |
| thoughtfix | etc. | 02:56 |
| thoughtfix | Several hours? | 02:56 |
| fnordianslip | i was betting on 7.1 mins. | 02:56 |
| fnordianslip | :-) | 02:57 |
| fnordianslip | t'll take u longer than a couple of hours to install any apps though | 02:58 |
| thoughtfix | Can't rush good journalism | 02:59 |
| thoughtfix | Naw | 02:59 |
| thoughtfix | I am reviewing it as an OS | 02:59 |
| thoughtfix | not as a platform per se | 02:59 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix: I thought about getting a Mylo at one point.. since I already had a PSP and they could share cards and stuff.. | 02:59 |
| fnordianslip | and blame the missing "i" on the MacBook Pro keyboard | 02:59 |
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| edt | thoughtfix I do hope you mention the lack of response on the nokia sites... They need a setup with more capcity | 03:01 |
| sp3000 | can't rush good bits | 03:02 |
| sp3000 | :P | 03:02 |
| thoughtfix | Heh | 03:03 |
| thoughtfix | yeah | 03:03 |
| thoughtfix | "I got my copy from an anonymous helper" | 03:03 |
| thoughtfix | Already in the article. | 03:03 |
| Skrylar_ | Eww | 03:03 |
| Skrylar_ | Mylo = eww | 03:03 |
| Skrylar_ | Last I checked up on them, they were overpriced and didn't really do anything. | 03:04 |
| thoughtfix | yay starting the flashing (and the pizza rolls) now | 03:05 |
| Skrylar_ | yay for pizza | 03:05 |
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| thoughtfix | Dude | 03:07 |
| thoughtfix | some pizza product is always required for a proper night of geekery | 03:07 |
| Skrylar_ | Doctor Pepper <3 | 03:07 |
| thoughtfix | Flashing is FAST today | 03:07 |
| thoughtfix | I've never seen it flash this fast | 03:07 |
| thoughtfix | 7 seconds left. | 03:07 |
| thoughtfix | aaaaand done | 03:07 |
| fnordianslip | that's be the special trojan image | 03:08 |
| thoughtfix | rofl | 03:08 |
| thoughtfix | OK not doing a restore - just going right to the OS | 03:08 |
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| Skrylar_ | So how much of OS2008's speed increase is optimization, and how much is just the processor overclock? | 03:09 |
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| FMz | From 333Mhz to 400Mhz | 03:10 |
| edt | process is not over clocked - it was previously _under_ clocked | 03:10 |
| |R | it's not overclocked, it's just not underclocked :P | 03:10 |
| edt | to save power... | 03:10 |
| |R | haha :) | 03:10 |
| Skrylar_ | So is it all just clock adjustment? | 03:10 |
| edt | the new kernel has better power management | 03:10 |
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| FMz | The new built-in media player is MUCH better... | 03:11 |
| FMz | I can actually play a number of codecs on it :D | 03:11 |
| * Skrylar_ is charging his las.. er... n800 | 03:11 | |
| edt | it was already better in the beta | 03:11 |
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| FMz | edt: I never went to beta | 03:12 |
| thoughtfix | Tons of photos | 03:13 |
| thoughtfix | Battery warning! Eeeeek! | 03:13 |
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| edt | hey I finally got a download started on the nokia site | 03:14 |
| edt | must have tried 50 times - if not more | 03:14 |
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| edt | eta is bouncing between 3 and 4 hours | 03:16 |
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| edt | make that 3 and 5 hours | 03:16 |
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| FMz | thoughtfix: Do you use Videocenter? | 03:18 |
| thoughtfix | Not currently | 03:19 |
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| FMz | Great app. | 03:20 |
| Edgester | hi, does anyone know where I can get libreadline4 for OS2007? | 03:21 |
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| FMz | Finally, I can download videos straight from Google Video... how awesome. | 03:24 |
| thoughtfix | wait | 03:25 |
| thoughtfix | the "download" worked and played the video? | 03:25 |
| thoughtfix | Or did you watch it on the Google Video page? | 03:25 |
| FMz | Well, it's downloading... that's as far as I am right now. | 03:25 |
| thoughtfix | Ooooh | 03:26 |
| FMz | Watching it on the page works very well. | 03:26 |
| thoughtfix | let me know :D | 03:26 |
| FMz | Will do. | 03:26 |
| FMz | As that is downloading, time for a ciggy | 03:26 |
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| fnordianslippers | what's with the 'En' key offering me other languages on the keybd on OS2008? | 03:30 |
| fnordianslippers | instead of Capslock? | 03:30 |
| Skrylar_ | Lets you type in other languages, I guess. | 03:31 |
| fnordianslippers | what a waste of a key. | 03:31 |
| Skrylar_ | Many have argued that caps lock is a waste of a key. | 03:31 |
| Skrylar_ | I disagree, for tap keyboards though :S | 03:31 |
| fnordianslippers | at least i used it once or twice | 03:31 |
| Skrylar_ | I use it for acronyms | 03:32 |
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| thoughtfix | CAPS LOCK IS LIKE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL | 03:32 |
| FMz | Don't tell me thoughtfix is a /b/tard. | 03:33 |
| fnordianslippers | a Ctrl key would have been better. | 03:34 |
| thoughtfix | oh dear no | 03:34 |
| thoughtfix | I mean | 03:34 |
| fnordianslippers | tell us | 03:34 |
| thoughtfix | I still have all my limbs, at least five brain cells left, and relatively low acne. I am not a /b/tard | 03:34 |
| * FMz is relieved. | 03:35 | |
| thoughtfix | The first rule of /b is you do not talk about /b | 03:36 |
| ph|ber | anyone know where the | is ??? | 03:36 |
| ph|ber | on the 810 | 03:36 |
| FMz | The 34th rule of /b/ is.... well, never mind. | 03:36 |
| thoughtfix | behind the toilet in the bathroom? | 03:37 |
| thoughtfix | Oh the pipe | 03:37 |
| thoughtfix | it's in the symbols | 03:37 |
| ph|ber | ahh k | 03:37 |
| FMz | lol | 03:37 |
| zerojay | thoughtfix did it in the server room with the lead pipe! | 03:37 |
| * zerojay wins. | 03:38 | |
| thoughtfix | YOU SAID THERE WAS NO FILM IN THAT CAMERA | 03:38 |
| thoughtfix | ... | 03:38 |
| thoughtfix | Sorry | 03:38 |
| |R | :P | 03:38 |
| deejoe | digicam | 03:39 |
| fnordianslippers | did what? | 03:39 |
| zerojay | Oh, it was Colonel Mustard in the living room with the revolver. :/ | 03:39 |
| FMz | Poor |R, getting caught up in all these rumors. | 03:39 |
| |R | i know where my | is at least :P | 03:40 |
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| FMz | Just in between your right-angle brackets ;) | 03:40 |
| |R | So you're not only filming thoughtfix, you're also filming me? :P | 03:41 |
| FMz | thoughtfix: Yep, the video download from Google video worked... :D | 03:42 |
| FMz | Though, a little jumpy at times. | 03:42 |
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| thoughtfix | So it plays in the Media Player? What format did you download? | 03:45 |
| FMz | The only option it gave, for iPod / PSP, .avi.mp4 | 03:45 |
| thoughtfix | Nice! | 03:45 |
| thoughtfix | I'll include that in my review. How would you like to be credited? | 03:45 |
| FMz | FMZ is good :) | 03:46 |
| FMz | Thanks! | 03:46 |
| thoughtfix | Thank you! That's a big deal. | 03:46 |
| FMz | Aye, it is for me, too. There are 101 videos I want to watch from Google Video, but I don't have regular internet access. | 03:47 |
| fnordianslippers | the rss reader seems more responsive to me | 03:49 |
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| FMz | The sound-sync seems to wander a little, but it seems tolerable. | 03:49 |
| Anastasia | Been out for a while, anyone put up the new O/S release on a torrent yet? | 03:49 |
| FMz | If I knew how, Anastasia, I'd do it. | 03:50 |
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| Anastasia | FMz: I don't know how ether the entertainment mafias got me scared of it :) | 03:50 |
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| Anastasia | At least we know someone got in and got it :). | 03:51 |
| Anastasia | I keep getting: An error occurred while processing your request. | 03:51 |
| FMz | Someone posted a URL, check above... | 03:51 |
| zerojay | There's been a torrent almost all day. | 03:51 |
| Anastasia | zerojay: Thanks, been busy as hell today, haven't been able to keep up worth spitting at :-/. | 03:52 |
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| zerojay | I think there's one on Pirate Bay and another on Mininova. | 03:52 |
| Anastasia | Scrolled out of the backscroll buffer :-(. | 03:53 |
| ph|ber | im almost done .. ill put it up somewhere | 03:53 |
| FMz | http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.zip | 03:54 |
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| Anastasia | Thanks! | 03:54 |
| FMz | np | 03:55 |
| Anastasia | I hope nokia isn't paying a lot for their website :-). | 03:55 |
| thoughtfix | Okay | 03:55 |
| thoughtfix | three or four more photos | 03:55 |
| thoughtfix | then this thing has to charge and I have to write | 03:55 |
| Anastasia | Next to track down mplayer, my favorite and to have that on the n800 would be just tooooooo cool! | 03:55 |
| FMz | What's your opinion so far thoughtfix? | 03:56 |
| Anastasia | Only one that consistantly works :-) | 03:56 |
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| FMz | Anastasia: My only prob with mplayer is that when I play an mp3, I end up having to go to command line to kill the app, cause no GUI shows | 03:56 |
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| Anastasia | FMz: Never use it for mp3s here. | 03:57 |
| Anastasia | Only video stuff | 03:58 |
| FMz | It's great for that :) | 03:58 |
| Anastasia | Yep, the best :-) | 03:58 |
| Anastasia | 9 gazillion mp3 players to choose from :-) | 03:59 |
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| MoRpHeUz | anybody having problems with repository.maemo.org ? | 03:59 |
| Anastasia | MoRpHeUz: Everyone, rather constantly. | 04:00 |
| FMz | Videocenter needs to support different apps for different filetypes. I like using mplayer for the video-casts I watch, but if I accidentally click an MP3, the problems start. | 04:00 |
| Anastasia | FMz: They will probably get it fixed, they are good about that kind of thing. | 04:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | Anastasia: =/ | 04:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | thanks | 04:00 |
| Anastasia | MoRpHeUz: The update is at someplace else with a working web site, lemme check. | 04:01 |
| FMz | I look forward to it. :) | 04:01 |
| Anastasia | http://homepage.mac.com/darren.long/filechute/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.zip | 04:01 |
| Anastasia | FMz: With linux good things comes to he who waits as well as he who gets into development :-) LOL. | 04:01 |
| Anastasia | Anyone have an MD5 for the update? | 04:02 |
| FMz | Aye... I'd thought about that, too. I do development work, but never really broke into the OSS side of things. | 04:02 |
| FMz | Unfortunately, no :( | 04:02 |
| FMz | Wait, maybe... lemme check | 04:02 |
| Anastasia | I've started but other than getting the sdk installed, I haven't had time to get to actually doing anything <blush> | 04:03 |
| Anastasia | If you got it just do md5sum {UFN} | 04:03 |
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| Anastasia | What I have is: 89e0661318f60420c691f4e1dd0c6ba3 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 04:04 |
| Anastasia | Gotta check on dinner bbiaf | 04:05 |
| thoughtfix | That's it | 04:05 |
| Anastasia | thoughtfix: Thank you Sir! | 04:05 |
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| thoughtfix | OK ... 40 minutes with the new OS - Enough for a review? ;) | 04:06 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 04:06 |
| FMz | :D | 04:07 |
| thoughtfix | I had a few weeks with it with the N810 I borrowed from Nokia | 04:07 |
| thoughtfix | so | 04:07 |
| FMz | I look forward to viewing it on my newly updated n800... heh. | 04:07 |
| FMz | Don't you work for Nokia, mate? | 04:07 |
| FMz | Coulda swore I read that somewhere. | 04:08 |
| thoughtfix | Oh heck no | 04:08 |
| thoughtfix | I have a good relationship with them | 04:08 |
| thoughtfix | They like me for some reason or another | 04:08 |
| thoughtfix | But I like NOT working for them | 04:08 |
| thoughtfix | because when something sucks | 04:08 |
| FMz | heh... no idea why. | 04:08 |
| thoughtfix | (like camera support) | 04:08 |
| thoughtfix | I can say so | 04:08 |
| FMz | Ahhh, good call man. Never thought of that. | 04:09 |
| thoughtfix | But blogging doesn't exactly pay the bills | 04:09 |
| thoughtfix | Costs more than it pays actually | 04:09 |
| thoughtfix | but | 04:09 |
| fnordianslippers | 'En' key sucks! | 04:09 |
| thoughtfix | It's a FUN hobby | 04:09 |
| FMz | But you put out the truth... and truth > money. | 04:09 |
| FMz | American government notwithstanding. | 04:10 |
| thoughtfix | rofl | 04:10 |
| thoughtfix | Truth | 04:10 |
| FMz | ;) | 04:10 |
| |R | haha | 04:11 |
| fnordianslippers | and there's the tablet groupies too | 04:11 |
| |R | the tablet great cause will be saved from the invading armies? :P | 04:11 |
| thoughtfix | Curse me for putting a Class 2 SDHC card in my camera | 04:11 |
| thoughtfix | Next time: Class 6 | 04:11 |
| thoughtfix | This import is taking forever | 04:12 |
| FMz | I'm a tablet groupie now. | 04:12 |
| * FMz throws his panties at his n800. | 04:12 | |
| * FMz cleans his screen. | 04:12 | |
| fnordianslippers | lol | 04:12 |
| thoughtfix | "his panties?" | 04:12 |
| FMz | My... erm... emergency pair... for my girlfriend... | 04:12 |
| FMz | <_< | 04:12 |
| FMz | >_> | 04:12 |
| thoughtfix | Haha | 04:13 |
| thoughtfix | well | 04:13 |
| * Skrylar_ sees what you did there. | 04:13 | |
| thoughtfix | Bikini briefs are comfy | 04:13 |
| thoughtfix | I call them manties | 04:13 |
| * czr prefers tights | 04:13 | |
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| FMz | I'll never watch a thoughtfix video in the same way again. | 04:14 |
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| fnordianslippers | omg, just imagined tf in a bikini. | 04:14 |
| thoughtfix | rofl | 04:14 |
| thoughtfix | Damn I took 60 photos for this review. | 04:14 |
| fnordianslippers | pass the brain bleaach | 04:14 |
| FMz | thoughtfix: Of the device or with it? | 04:14 |
| thoughtfix | Yes | 04:15 |
| thoughtfix | A good 1/3 of them are bad photos | 04:15 |
| thoughtfix | But I covered a lot | 04:15 |
| thoughtfix | Now it's time to write it all up | 04:15 |
| FMz | Nice. | 04:15 |
| thoughtfix | This is going to be huge. People will hate me. | 04:15 |
| thoughtfix | I may turn on feed headers for this post only. | 04:15 |
| FMz | Oh? | 04:15 |
| thoughtfix | Then go back to full content feeds. | 04:15 |
| FMz | Ahh... It's a pretty major overhaul, plenty to cover. | 04:16 |
| thoughtfix | On the N800 it's almost a new device. | 04:16 |
| FMz | Definitely. | 04:16 |
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| FMz | One day I'ma have to find someone to video-chat with, just to play with it. It's a shame you can only video conference between n8x0's. | 04:18 |
| |R | FMz : get your friends to buy n8x0 :P | 04:18 |
| gm | haha | 04:18 |
| FMz | I've tried, none of them are geeky enough... lol | 04:19 |
| |R | change friends then haha | 04:19 |
| FMz | lmao | 04:19 |
| gm | haha | 04:19 |
| FMz | HI FRIENDS!!!! | 04:19 |
| gm | what is up with the battery meter? | 04:19 |
| |R | i think my friend convertion count is up to 4... does that tells something about my friends? haha ;) | 04:19 |
| gm | this is a very long "less than an hour" | 04:19 |
| gm | haha | 04:19 |
| |R | (what, doesn't your mom needs a pocket ssh? :P) | 04:20 |
| gm | pocket basiliskii (as i'm working on now :)) | 04:21 |
| FMz | She does... but her boss keeps seeing her play with it under her desk at work. | 04:21 |
| |R | gm : if you get that old continuum game running on the n800 i owe you a beer if you come to MTL (exporting alcohol is hard hehe ;) | 04:22 |
| |R | that and crystal quest :P | 04:22 |
| gm | i'll give it a try :) | 04:22 |
| gm | mtl? | 04:22 |
| |R | oh, montreal | 04:22 |
| |R | local slang short name , like nyc ;) | 04:23 |
| thoughtfix | OK 32 photos are going in this review | 04:23 |
| gm | ahh :) | 04:23 |
| thoughtfix | Good thing my camera has an excellent macro mode. | 04:23 |
| halley | thoughtfix, use a tripod, small aperture, and fix the whitebalance. Most blogs have SUCKY product images. | 04:24 |
| gm | getting the segfault handler working on arm is a REAL pain | 04:24 |
| thoughtfix | halley: Canon Powershot S5-IS :D | 04:24 |
| * Skrylar_ sighs. | 04:25 | |
| thoughtfix | Good lesson: Turn down the brightness and hold it steady | 04:25 |
| Skrylar_ | Good thing I didn't buy the new rts from the old westwood employees :( | 04:25 |
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| skibur | GUYS and GALS | 04:25 |
| fysa | videocenter for os2008? | 04:25 |
| FMz | Hrmm... RSS Feed Reader keeps crashing every time I open it, even after a reboot. | 04:26 |
| skibur | I found the BEST CASE for the N800 and iGO keyboard!! Trust you will want this!! | 04:26 |
| |R | ? | 04:26 |
| fysa | ! | 04:26 |
| FMz | skibur: Spam? | 04:26 |
| skibur | I was happy as hell | 04:26 |
| skibur | no | 04:26 |
| fysa | (videocenter for os2008?) | 04:26 |
| |R | \O_o/ | 04:26 |
| skibur | ready? | 04:26 |
| fysa | 04:26 | |
| skibur | let me find link | 04:26 |
| fysa | .. | 04:26 |
| * fysa dies | 04:26 | |
| |R | it's as much stress as waiting for does damn discounts! ;) | 04:27 |
| FMz | fysa: I haven't been able to find it myself. | 04:27 |
| |R | s/does/those/ | 04:27 |
| infobot | |R meant: it's as much stress as waiting for those damn discounts! ;) | 04:27 |
| skibur | http://www.caselogic.com/compact_portable_hard_drive_case/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=80400 | 04:27 |
| skibur | it is a perfect fit for the N800 and iGo stowaway bluetooth keyboard | 04:28 |
| FMz | That is quite nice, actually. | 04:28 |
| fysa | it sucks when the first page of search results on google for "videocenter os2008" contains the #maemo log of me asking about videocenter for os2008. | 04:28 |
| skibur | $20 in Bestbuy | 04:28 |
| skibur | I have a black one | 04:28 |
| gm | fysa: it will contain two logs now :) | 04:28 |
| fysa | (to google readers: it is not out yet. do not read this search result.) | 04:28 |
| FMz | lmao fysa | 04:29 |
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| |R | fysa : haha i feel your pain :) | 04:29 |
| fysa | I think I will try this case: | 04:30 |
| fysa | http://www.sfbags.com/products/keyboardcases/keyboard.htm | 04:30 |
| fysa | http://www.sfbags.com/products/keyboardcases/images/KB-Travel-Fit1-md.jpg | 04:31 |
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| fnordianslippers | skibur...good call. i have one too,and its a good size. | 04:31 |
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| fysa | (apple keyboard doesn't fold) | 04:32 |
| fysa | well, maybe once | 04:32 |
| Skrylar_ | The apple bluetooth keyboard? | 04:32 |
| fnordianslippers | my n800 is in a proporta case and the whole thing fits in their with room to spare | 04:32 |
| Skrylar_ | 'tis overpriced :( | 04:32 |
| FMz | How is latency with Bluetooth keyboards? Can it keep up well? | 04:33 |
| Skrylar_ | I used a bluetooth one for a while on my desktop | 04:33 |
| Skrylar_ | Didn't have any latency issues with it | 04:33 |
| fysa | doesn't feel overpriced to me :) | 04:33 |
| Skrylar_ | Bluetooth mice work pretty well for gaming on a PC, too ;) | 04:33 |
| Skrylar_ | Well | 04:33 |
| Skrylar_ | 70$ for a slab without even a numberpad... | 04:33 |
| fysa | vs desk space | 04:34 |
| fysa | but yeah. | 04:34 |
| Skrylar_ | A bluetooth radio costs 5$, and keyboards can be produced as cheap as 10$ | 04:34 |
| fysa | the hardest part for me is losing the real pgup/pgdwn | 04:34 |
| Skrylar_ | which means given all the markup, you should be able to make a bluetooth keyboard en masse for less than 30$ | 04:34 |
| fysa | have you typed on one yet? | 04:34 |
| fysa | they have a USB version with keypad.. | 04:34 |
| Skrylar_ | I have the wired version of their new one | 04:34 |
| FMz | USB, as in, would plug into the n800? | 04:34 |
| Skrylar_ | It's the same as the macbook key style (which I'm using for IRC right now) | 04:35 |
| fysa | macbook pro style | 04:35 |
| fysa | which has more space between keys than the macbook | 04:35 |
| Skrylar_ | macbook pros have aluminum keys | 04:35 |
| fysa | ah, right | 04:35 |
| Skrylar_ | their usb keyboard is only aluminum cased | 04:35 |
| fysa | but the spacing is like a normal keyboard, which is important for me. | 04:35 |
| fysa | I will buy two more soon, one for HTPC and one dedicated for the desktop (coding) | 04:36 |
| fysa | using it right now on the desktop, but repairing is a huge PITA. | 04:36 |
| fysa | re-pairing | 04:36 |
| * thoughtfix is writing like mad | 04:37 | |
| gm | the macbook pro keys aren't aluminium | 04:37 |
| gm | the case is, the keys are a plastic that looks like the case | 04:37 |
| thoughtfix | If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn? | 04:37 |
| FMz | Keep it up thoughtfix... we're counting on ya :) | 04:37 |
| Skrylar_ | hrm | 04:37 |
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| Skrylar_ | They looked and felt nicer than the normal macbook ones so I guessed they were aluminum :( | 04:38 |
| timely | fnordianslippers: what 'En' key? do you mean 'Fn'? | 04:38 |
| FMz | I had a shirt that said that, thoughtfix... the answer I came up with was "Purple Haze". | 04:38 |
| jacques | rather, if you unchoke a smurf, what color does it turn? | 04:38 |
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| timely | fnordianslippers: note that if you tap "up" aka shift *twice*, you get capslock | 04:38 |
| Skrylar_ | I think it's Zippy who actually makes a keyboard with aluminum keys instead of plastic | 04:38 |
| fnordianslippers | nope. there is an 'En' key on the n800 popup keybd, in place of the CapsLock | 04:38 |
| gm | is repository.maemo.org down? | 04:39 |
| fysa | if I force myself to use a non-keypad keyboard every day, it will eventually be completely natural.. | 04:39 |
| fnordianslippers | i don't mind not having CapsLock, but the En key is, at least for me, a waste of space | 04:39 |
| thoughtfix | Oh lovely | 04:41 |
| thoughtfix | Firefox crashed | 04:41 |
| thoughtfix | :p | 04:41 |
| thoughtfix | Hate blogger.com sometimes | 04:41 |
| Skrylar_ | no it didn't! | 04:41 |
| FMz | You were writing directly into FF? | 04:42 |
| Skrylar_ | windows crashed it! | 04:42 |
| timely | thoughtfix: ping | 04:42 |
| thoughtfix | Pong? | 04:42 |
| thoughtfix | I use a Mac | 04:42 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 04:42 |
| timely | did you see my invite? | 04:42 |
| ph|ber | anyone know how to get canola on the 810? | 04:42 |
| thoughtfix | Yes - Passed for now. Writing like mad | 04:42 |
| halley | ph|ber, you need to turn it off immediately, then prepare a bath of degreasing soap... oh, get canola ON the 810. nebbermine. | 04:43 |
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| ph|ber | funny | 04:43 |
| jacques | hmm, new image download site isn't exactly fast... | 04:45 |
| gm | can anyone else get to repository.maemo.org | 04:46 |
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| jacques | and IIRC nokia doesn't distribute anything better than md5sum, so not sure I trust the other sites | 04:47 |
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| FMz | Anyone want to video-conference, for kicks and giggles? | 04:51 |
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| skibur | its a nice case | 04:54 |
| Skrylar_ | FMz: with the n800 chat thingy? | 04:55 |
| FMz | Yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'd like to try... hhe | 04:56 |
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| Skrylar_ | i think you have to do it through google talk | 04:56 |
| Skrylar_ | Oh holy snap | 04:57 |
| FMz | That's what I've got. | 04:57 |
| FMz | Wha? | 04:57 |
| Skrylar_ | what just happened to mah morrowind :S | 04:57 |
| FMz | It.... crashed? | 04:57 |
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| Skrylar | FMz: Sent a PM | 05:00 |
| skibur | thoughtfix | 05:00 |
| thoughtfix | Yes? | 05:00 |
| skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110857#post110857 | 05:00 |
| skibur | might be good | 05:00 |
| thoughtfix | can you send that to tips@thoughtfix.com for me? I'm backlogged on articles. | 05:01 |
| fnordianslippers | night all. | 05:01 |
| skibur | o ok | 05:03 |
| FMz | Wow... video-conferencing is beautiful. | 05:03 |
| Skrylar | You weren't interrupting :P | 05:03 |
| Skrylar | It doesn't appear to be working oO | 05:03 |
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| FMz | What doesn't? | 05:03 |
| Skrylar | the yellow blobs in the video :P | 05:04 |
| FMz | Ahh... lol | 05:04 |
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| shackan | FMz: video conferencing with another tablet or what? | 05:04 |
| FMz | Yeah, another tablet. Skrylar and I just tested it between us. | 05:05 |
| Skrylar | I'm not sure if you can conference with more than two people tho | 05:05 |
| astro76 | skibur, wow thanks, I have that case and didn't even consider trying to fit the keyboard in there | 05:06 |
| FMz | I don't believe you can. | 05:06 |
| FMz | I'm reading that Gizmo has a beta out to allow conferencing to desktop | 05:06 |
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| skibur | thoughtfix I sent it already | 05:07 |
| thoughtfix | yay thanks | 05:07 |
| skibur | Let me know if you do something with it :P | 05:07 |
| thoughtfix | got it | 05:07 |
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| skibur | cool | 05:08 |
| FMz | Going to test Gizmo n800 to Desktop | 05:09 |
| FMz | (Video conferencing) | 05:09 |
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| * Skrylar wonders if the gizmo in the maemo repository will do it | 05:12 | |
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| mozillar | hello | 05:15 |
| mozillar | is anyone here? | 05:16 |
| mozillar | I need some maemo help | 05:16 |
| mozillar | ? | 05:16 |
| mozillar | ? | 05:16 |
| mozillar | please? | 05:16 |
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| mozillar | hello | 05:18 |
| mozillar | is anyone here? | 05:19 |
| mozillar | can someone help me? | 05:19 |
| FMz | Yo? | 05:19 |
| mozillar | I need help | 05:19 |
| mozillar | yes | 05:19 |
| mozillar | hello | 05:19 |
| FMz | what's up? | 05:19 |
| FMz | Hello | 05:19 |
| mozillar | I saw this program called juploadr that was a flickr uploader | 05:19 |
| mozillar | it is free software, can I compile that for Maemo? | 05:19 |
| zerojay | Do you have the source code? | 05:20 |
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| mozillar | yes | 05:20 |
| mozillar | .tar.gz | 05:20 |
| zerojay | Let me guess, it's Java? | 05:20 |
| FMz | heh | 05:20 |
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| mozillar | oh maemo does not have java vm | 05:21 |
| mozillar | woops | 05:21 |
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| mozillar | so no? | 05:22 |
| zerojay | Yeah. No. | 05:23 |
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| skibur | its not skeebur | 05:25 |
| skibur | its skybur | 05:25 |
| skibur | skibur | 05:25 |
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| skibur | well hackers | 05:27 |
| skibur | need to jet | 05:27 |
| skibur | hack on | 05:27 |
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| mozillar | hello | 05:29 |
| mozillar | is anyone on? | 05:29 |
| zerojay | You can't see the list of over 240 people sitting here idle? | 05:29 |
| zerojay | Ah.. you're using a web browser. | 05:29 |
| zerojay | Never mind. | 05:29 |
| mozillar | I tried the gecko browser | 05:30 |
| mozillar | and I tried overclocking it in about:config | 05:31 |
| mozillar | with allowing pipelining | 05:31 |
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| zerojay | Don't do that. | 05:31 |
| zerojay | That's not overclocking. | 05:31 |
| mozillar | well I went back to opera | 05:31 |
| zerojay | Second, it causes extra load on the servers you are connecting to, which makes website owners very angry. | 05:31 |
| Anastasia | zerojay: Flash the new image the usual way? ./flasher-3.0 -F | 05:31 |
| mozillar | yeah I know | 05:32 |
| Anastasia | First do a backup might be wise too :) | 05:32 |
| zerojay | Anastasia: Flash it whatever way you usually do it. | 05:32 |
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| mozillar | I have a question | 05:32 |
| mozillar | I allways have to hard reset/flash my n800 | 05:32 |
| wiredless | evening all | 05:32 |
| zerojay | Why? | 05:32 |
| Anastasia | zerojay: OK, thanks, that is what I did last time. | 05:32 |
| mozillar | after I change the theme sometimes it messes up | 05:32 |
| zerojay | There's been a bug in the past about restoring from a backup causing graphical issues, but it didn't appear to happen in any recent firmware. | 05:33 |
| mozillar | Also | 05:33 |
| wiredless | would anyone happen to have ( and be kind enough to send me) maemo hackers edition 2007 for 770? | 05:33 |
| zerojay | Just get it from maemo.org. | 05:33 |
| wiredless | tablet dev is wacked today | 05:33 |
| zerojay | It's getting bombarded. | 05:34 |
| wiredless | downloads not happening | 05:34 |
| mozillar | I saw this chatsniff program | 05:34 |
| wiredless | yeah | 05:34 |
| mozillar | free software witha .deb | 05:34 |
| mozillar | and I want to instal lit | 05:34 |
| mozillar | it is not java | 05:34 |
| zerojay | mozillar: It has to be compiled for ARM. | 05:34 |
| wiredless | why im here askin otherwise id download it myself | 05:34 |
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| mozillar | how? | 05:35 |
| wiredless | would like to sell my 770 but u have to get it back to clean working order again | 05:35 |
| zerojay | You'll have to get a .deb that has the program already compiled for ARM. Ask the program's author if he has it. If not, you'll have to learn how to crosscompile and I think that's probably way way out of your league. | 05:36 |
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| mozillar | yes I think it is | 05:36 |
| Anastasia | zerojay: Just FWIW, should I wait to see if there are problems with the 2008SE(etc) release before I have to redo everything after installing it? | 05:37 |
| zerojay | That's up to you. | 05:37 |
| Anastasia | Not sure if it is a beta release or a real one :-). | 05:37 |
| zerojay | The one released today is a final. | 05:38 |
| Anastasia | Still trying to find out what has changed. I'm still pretty new to the n800 and finally got it all set up and hate to think about re-installing everything. | 05:38 |
| gm | heh, nevermind about crosscompilers, i have the full dev environment on my n800 :) | 05:39 |
| Anastasia | I presume that if I flash this, I have to re-install everything? | 05:39 |
| gm | coding anywhere ftw :) | 05:39 |
| mozillar | noob question: is there any way to compile programs using gui? | 05:39 |
| Anastasia | Anyone know if the n800 will use the 16G SDHC cards? | 05:39 |
| gm | i think so if you flash a sdhc kernel on | 05:39 |
| Anastasia | So many questions, sigh. Thanks! | 05:40 |
| Skrylar | FMz: :D | 05:40 |
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| FMz | Awesome dude... that rocks | 05:41 |
| FMz | thoughtfix: Just to let you know, video-conferencing between the n800 OS2008 and Gizmo beta works, if not a little finnicky. | 05:42 |
| FMz | Thanks again for that Skrylar. I'm off for the night, enjoy, bud :) | 05:42 |
| Skrylar | G'night | 05:42 |
| mozillar | has anyone gotten aircrack to work? | 05:44 |
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| Skrylar | Are the update servers still borked? | 05:44 |
| gm | seems so | 05:45 |
| gm | yep | 05:45 |
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| shackan | FMz: on the desktop? | 05:47 |
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| FMz | shackan: Yep | 05:53 |
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| gm | sshfs is cool - i can mount my n800 as a filesystem | 06:11 |
| gm | without having to mess with any filesharing on the n800 | 06:11 |
| Skrylar | I use rsync | 06:12 |
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| _Shurik_ | hola | 06:22 |
| _Shurik_ | anyone got md5 for firmware? | 06:23 |
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| Anastasia | 89e0661318f60420c691f4e1dd0c6ba3 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 06:24 |
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| _Shurik_ | Anastasia: thank you! | 06:24 |
| Anastasia | Most welcome Sir! | 06:24 |
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| * |R wonders why camera record feature was yanked after version 2.7 :* | 06:41 | |
| gm | it had a record feature? | 06:42 |
| zerojay | There never was a record feature. | 06:43 |
| zerojay | Still isn't. | 06:43 |
| |R | yes there was | 06:43 |
| zerojay | No, there wasn't. | 06:43 |
| zerojay | You're talking about a different project. | 06:43 |
| |R | dude, i was using it :P | 06:43 |
| |R | uhm | 06:43 |
| |R | well same interface and all | 06:43 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 06:43 |
| zerojay | But different project. | 06:43 |
| |R | argh | 06:43 |
| |R | :( | 06:43 |
| zerojay | videocamera on Garage. | 06:43 |
| |R | but even there, 2.9 yanked the video i think but not 2.7 | 06:44 |
| zerojay | Nope. | 06:44 |
| |R | ok i'm seriously confused ;) | 06:44 |
| zerojay | The official Nokia versions of camera never had video. | 06:44 |
| zerojay | Only videocamera. | 06:44 |
| |R | yes yes ok | 06:44 |
| zerojay | Which had the name "camera" in the past. | 06:45 |
| |R | but i mean, even their version of record was yanked? (let me try ;) | 06:45 |
| zerojay | 2.7, 2.9, those are version numbers for videocamera. | 06:45 |
| zerojay | Nope. | 06:45 |
| zerojay | Still there in 2.9. | 06:45 |
| |R | uhm ok .. did they have the same version at one point then the nokia one? | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Nope. | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Don't think so. | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Actually, not sure on that. | 06:47 |
| zerojay | Too sleepy to find out. | 06:47 |
| |R | ok, so on garage, videocamera links to camera project with version 2.7 and 2.9... when installing 2.9 i get a nokia EULA... does that makes sense? | 06:47 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 06:47 |
| zerojay | Because videocamera is based upon camera's code. | 06:48 |
| |R | ah ha! | 06:48 |
| |R | :) | 06:48 |
| zerojay | You're far from the only person to be confused about all this, by the way. | 06:48 |
| zerojay | And you should give gps-camera a shot. Even if you don't have GPS, it's a much better program. | 06:49 |
| zerojay | Flickr uploads too. | 06:49 |
| |R | hehe, in 2007 i had camera on old because it always wanted to "upgrade" to a non working (no video) verison ;) | 06:49 |
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| |R | err old -> hold | 06:49 |
| |R | oh, ok then | 06:49 |
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| |R | let's try it before removing the OS2008 camera ;) | 06:50 |
| |R | but urhm, gpscamera only does screenshots? | 06:53 |
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| sgehrman | tried downloading the latest n810 updater | 06:55 |
| sgehrman | it failed | 06:56 |
| sgehrman | what is the deal? | 06:56 |
| sgehrman | anyone know? | 06:56 |
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| sgehrman | Nokia sucks. This n810 is complete crap | 06:56 |
| kupesoft | sgehrman: Thanks for sharing | 06:56 |
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| sgehrman | super slow | 06:57 |
| sgehrman | can't watch videos | 06:57 |
| sgehrman | stutters | 06:57 |
| sgehrman | scrolls super slow | 06:57 |
| sgehrman | real active list | 06:58 |
| sgehrman | I can see why now this OS is so lame | 06:58 |
| sgehrman | I've got some advice | 06:58 |
| sgehrman | this maemo crap is a dead end | 06:58 |
| sgehrman | don't waste your time | 06:59 |
| sgehrman | switch to a real OS | 06:59 |
| kupesoft | You're wasting your time. | 06:59 |
| |R | oh yes, i'm screwed actually, not the same hildon/gtk, i forgot .. | 06:59 |
| kupesoft | Typing all that here, | 06:59 |
| sgehrman | maemo can't even play video without choking | 06:59 |
| sgehrman | it's a joke | 06:59 |
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| sgehrman | this is slower than my 1993 Newton | 07:00 |
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| Skryla1 | Awesomesauce. | 07:01 |
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| * Skryla1 got his bluetooth keyboard hooked up. | 07:01 | |
| sgehrman | who's the genius who came up with the name Maemo | 07:01 |
| sgehrman | i still don't know how to pronounce it | 07:01 |
| Skryla1 | The awkward part, is that it won't work on any PC or Mac but it somehow works on the N800 XD | 07:01 |
| |R | oh crap, no more video then.. :/ | 07:01 |
| msh_ | sgehrman: why'd you buy one then? :) | 07:01 |
| Skryla1 | I always pronounced it may-mo | 07:01 |
| sgehrman | i should return it | 07:01 |
| |R | hehe Ma-eh-mo here :) | 07:02 |
| |R | (but, well, french ...) | 07:02 |
| tank-man | Q: how do I know if i am in red pill mode? i got a used n800 | 07:02 |
| Skryla1 | Unfortunately, the keyboard is about 4x as wide as the N800, lol | 07:02 |
| |R | tank-man options in application managers | 07:02 |
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| |R | there should be a lot more i think (can't remember which though) | 07:02 |
| Skryla1 | F6 appears to be the fullscreen key | 07:03 |
| sgehrman | Here's a name idea for Maemo : MNU | 07:04 |
| sgehrman | Maemo's not usable | 07:04 |
| Skryla1 | :( | 07:04 |
| Skryla1 | It's not that bad of an OS. I've used worse ones. :P | 07:04 |
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| sgehrman | the problem is probably this super slow n810 | 07:04 |
| Skryla1 | oO | 07:04 |
| Skryla1 | I thought N810s weren't supposed to be super slow. | 07:05 |
| Skryla1 | 400mhz or something | 07:05 |
| |R | well, same as n800s... | 07:05 |
| sgehrman | scrolling a web page takes about 4 seconds per millimeter | 07:05 |
| Skryla1 | 400mhz is actually pretty good for mobile devices... | 07:05 |
| sgehrman | doesn't play video at all | 07:05 |
| Skryla1 | You might could attribute it to them changing over to Firefox, which is getting constantly more bloat added to it. | 07:05 |
| ds3 | 4 seconds per 0.039" isn't that horrible :P | 07:05 |
| |R | well it does play video | 07:06 |
| thoughtfix | So who wants to be my copy editor today? | 07:06 |
| sgehrman | one frame per minute | 07:06 |
| thoughtfix | I've been staring at this article for hours now | 07:06 |
| |R | hehe | 07:06 |
| tank-man | sgehrman, you using mplayer to play videos? | 07:06 |
| |R | it's getting to late for me to be able to proof read articles... :/ | 07:06 |
| tank-man | i find it is pretty good | 07:06 |
| |R | too | 07:06 |
| |R | (see! ;) | 07:06 |
| ds3 | thoughtfix: are you the thoughtfix from the mobile blog? | 07:06 |
| Skryla1 | I wonder how hard it would be to just convert KHTML or WebKit down and use that instead of Opera or Firefox. It's not quite as bloaty and it's generally more compatible than opera | 07:07 |
| thoughtfix | No - I just stole his name. Don't tell him | 07:07 |
| thoughtfix | ;) | 07:07 |
| |R | ds3 : no, he's a special modified cloned version doing reviews tonight | 07:07 |
| |R | haha ;P | 07:07 |
| ds3 | ah okay =) | 07:07 |
| Skryla1 | thoughtfix is a clone? Oh teh noes. | 07:07 |
| sgehrman | anyone have a phone number to Nokia? | 07:07 |
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| sgehrman | I want to yell at them for ripping me off | 07:07 |
| Skryla1 | Did you order it straight from Nokia? | 07:07 |
| sgehrman | no | 07:07 |
| Skryla1 | If you don't like it, you could always take it back. Or I assume you could, unless it's been too long. | 07:08 |
| sgehrman | I might, but will wait to see if the new update is better | 07:08 |
| |R | sgehrman : what were you looking for (trying to do) ? | 07:08 |
| Skryla1 | JR: It sounds like he doesn't like the responsiveness. | 07:09 |
| sgehrman | also, I'm on Mac, not Windows or linux | 07:09 |
| thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/12/internet-tablet-os2008-review.html | 07:09 |
| thoughtfix | Gah | 07:09 |
| sgehrman | I can't run the updater | 07:09 |
| thoughtfix | That hurt my head | 07:09 |
| thoughtfix | Let me know if you see any errors or typos | 07:09 |
| Skryla1 | Youtube on the N800 is pretty abysmal, but if you let the video fully download before trying to play then you can actually get a pretty decent FPS. | 07:09 |
| sgehrman | says mac instructions are on the maemo site | 07:10 |
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| sgehrman | i didn't see them | 07:10 |
| Skryla1 | The mac instructions involve ugly console commands I believe. | 07:11 |
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| sgehrman | i ran the windows updater 5 times and it constantly failed | 07:11 |
| Skryla1 | oh, nokia's site is extremely brittle | 07:11 |
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| Skryla1 | I think they're bogged with all the N800 users trying to do an OS update | 07:11 |
| thoughtfix | Hahaha | 07:12 |
| thoughtfix | yes | 07:12 |
| thoughtfix | yes they are | 07:12 |
| thoughtfix | and I mentioned that in my review | 07:12 |
| Skryla1 | This is much nicer with the keyboard. | 07:12 |
| Anastasia | nokia's site has been brittle since I started trying to go to it :-(. | 07:13 |
| * Skryla1 wishes he had a tetherable phone so he could run OpenRPG or something on the upcoming road trip :( | 07:13 | |
| Skryla1 | You wouldn't happen to know any Sidekick 3 hacks would you? :P | 07:13 |
| thoughtfix | So - any typos/errors in the review found yet? | 07:14 |
| * Skryla1 goes to read it | 07:14 | |
| thoughtfix | Thanks | 07:14 |
| Skryla1 | Amagad | 07:15 |
| sgehrman | how can I update to the latest version? | 07:15 |
| Skryla1 | Javascript errors! | 07:15 |
| sgehrman | It failed to download at the maemo site and nokias site | 07:15 |
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| sgehrman | here's a question | 07:15 |
| ds3 | nice SDHC default | 07:15 |
| sgehrman | why no .mov format support | 07:15 |
| sgehrman | I've got gigs of videos from my camera, all .mov | 07:16 |
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| lle2 | sgehrman: devices of this category are pretty hard pressed to play any video at all | 07:17 |
| thoughtfix | Huh | 07:17 |
| thoughtfix | I wonder | 07:17 |
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| thoughtfix | (puts his digital camera's card into his N800) | 07:17 |
| Skryla1 | thoughtfix: Lucky you | 07:18 |
| Skryla1 | with your tetherable phone and its data plan :( | 07:18 |
| thoughtfix | Hahah | 07:18 |
| thoughtfix | That tetherable phone cost me $600 | 07:18 |
| thoughtfix | and the data plan: $108/mo after tax for voice and data | 07:18 |
| Skryla1 | iphone? | 07:18 |
| thoughtfix | Nokia N95-3 | 07:18 |
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| Skryla1 | Sidekick 3's might as well not even have bluetooth | 07:19 |
| Skryla1 | T-Mobile crippled it to the point where basically the only good it is, is transferring vcards to other sidekicks | 07:19 |
| thoughtfix | DAMN... My Powershot S5-IS videos can't play on the tablet | 07:19 |
| ds3 | thoughtfix: how you liking the EeePC? | 07:19 |
| Skryla1 | you can't even exchange MP3s or pictures with your computer with it | 07:20 |
| thoughtfix | "File Format Not Supported" | 07:20 |
| Anastasia | thoughtfix: Do I infer that there is a review of the new OS someplace. | 07:20 |
| thoughtfix | ds3: It's a fun pain in the ass | 07:20 |
| thoughtfix | http://thoughtfix.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page | 07:20 |
| Anastasia | thoughtfix: Same problem with my S2IS,,, | 07:20 |
| thoughtfix | ooops | 07:20 |
| thoughtfix | wrong link | 07:20 |
| thoughtfix | http://tabletblog.com/2007/12/internet-tablet-os2008-review.html | 07:20 |
| Anastasia | thoughtfix: thanks. | 07:20 |
| ds3 | thoughtfix: would you have that as your only x86 machine? | 07:20 |
| thoughtfix | No. My iMac Core2 Duo 2.0 is too valuable as an x86 machine ;) | 07:20 |
| Skryla1 | :) | 07:21 |
| Skryla1 | Yay for macs. | 07:21 |
| thoughtfix | When I got heavy into content production - especially VIDEO production - I needed a Mac | 07:21 |
| sgehrman | question. 90% of wifi fails to get an ip address. why does it always fail? | 07:21 |
| sgehrman | no problems on my macbook | 07:21 |
| Skryla1 | Technically you don't /need/ a mac, since you can get adobe premier and after effects on a PC | 07:21 |
| Skryla1 | But Macs are generally really nice | 07:21 |
| thoughtfix | Ahuh | 07:21 |
| thoughtfix | Fast too | 07:22 |
| ds3 | hmmm. okay... been wanting to convert to all ARM but need an x86 around for those odd jobs | 07:22 |
| Skryla1 | oO | 07:22 |
| thoughtfix | Like video conversion? ;) | 07:22 |
| Skryla1 | Why on earth would you convert completely over to ARM? | 07:22 |
| thoughtfix | Skryla1: High electric bill? | 07:22 |
| Skryla1 | Unless you've discovered a 2ghz ARM chip | 07:22 |
| lle2 | in-order execution feels safer? | 07:22 |
| ds3 | DSP for video conversion | 07:23 |
| lle2 | dsp != arm | 07:23 |
| Skryla1 | I didn't get any work done on my x86->ARM VM thingy | 07:23 |
| ds3 | close enuff | 07:23 |
| Skryla1 | Other than a minor pointer fix | 07:23 |
| ds3 | always ARM MP! | 07:23 |
| lle2 | heh | 07:24 |
| lle2 | it only took x86 about 15 years to get scaling going beyond 2 cores, you're going to have to be very careful with the workload | 07:25 |
| Skryla1 | I was reading the intel book on the CPU instructions earlier... does not look like fun stuff. | 07:25 |
| sgehrman | who's the moron who decided to force people to take their batteries out to download the image? | 07:25 |
| lle2 | somebody's having a bad wednesday | 07:26 |
| Skryla1 | :P | 07:26 |
| Skryla1 | The N800 serial number isn't behind the battery | 07:26 |
| sgehrman | i've got an 810 | 07:26 |
| Anastasia | No, it isn't :-) | 07:26 |
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| Skryla1 | I do agree that's pretty idiotic to put the device serial back there, but then again I guess they figure statistically most people are on Windows XP and aren't going to be doing any device hacking. | 07:26 |
| Skryla1 | Though really, are there any non-hacked n800s XD | 07:26 |
| kaie | hmm, no mirror for RX-44 yet | 07:28 |
| Anastasia | I wrote mine down so I didn't have to keep taking the back off :) | 07:28 |
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| Skryla1 | You can also use a fake serial :< | 07:29 |
| Skryla1 | Unofficially, that is. | 07:29 |
| sgehrman | fails to download | 07:29 |
| sgehrman | nokia is doomed | 07:29 |
| sgehrman | they are morons | 07:29 |
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| Anastasia | Yep, their attention to the n* series is pretty abysmal... | 07:29 |
| timeless | sgehrman: use about in control panel instead | 07:30 |
| Skryla1 | N series sales are probably abysmal, Anastasia | 07:30 |
| Anastasia | Has my vote for the worst site on the net. | 07:30 |
| Anastasia | Skryla1: Small wonder :) | 07:30 |
| Skryla1 | The price drop for n800s might fix that a bit though | 07:30 |
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| Anastasia | Not if people have to spend all day to find/get stuff for it... | 07:31 |
| Skryla1 | I'm curious why they advertise Pidgin for OS2008, but their own chat clients only do jabber | 07:31 |
| Skryla1 | Seems like if it's so glorious, you'd just plug in libPurple to your chat app | 07:31 |
| Anastasia | Much for me to learn yet. | 07:31 |
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| timeless | what do you mean advertises pidgin? | 07:32 |
| ds3 | get it via software | 07:32 |
| Skryla1 | The front page for OS2008 | 07:32 |
| timeless | url? | 07:32 |
| Skryla1 | They had in big block letters, "Pidgin for OS2008, universal chat client" | 07:32 |
| Skryla1 | timeless: I don't see how that'd do you any good, seeing as their website is currently down. | 07:32 |
| sgehrman | is there a working URL to get this update? | 07:33 |
| timeless | skryla1: i'm trying to understand which site you're talking about | 07:33 |
| Skryla1 | Timeless: Nokia's | 07:33 |
| timeless | there are 5-10 different content providers | 07:33 |
| tank-man | sgehrman, get it off of a torrent and check the md5sum after | 07:33 |
| timeless | maemo.org, tablets-dev, www.nokia.com | 07:33 |
| ds3 | I wonder if the built in jabber client supports the SSL modes | 07:33 |
| timeless | nseries.com | 07:33 |
| Skryla1 | nokia.com/<something> | 07:33 |
| Skryla1 | ds3: I believe it does, since GTalk uses them | 07:34 |
| Skryla1 | and GTalk is just Jabber with big brother for a host :P | 07:34 |
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| timeless | oh, that site | 07:34 |
| sgehrman | timeless: all those fail | 07:34 |
| timeless | ok, europe.nokia.com/A4579470 | 07:34 |
| Skryla1 | Is there actually a torrent for the update? | 07:35 |
| sgehrman | that was downloading the older update | 07:35 |
| sgehrman | and failed to update | 07:35 |
| timeless | skyrla1: it's not allowed, but that doens't mean people don't ignore the rules | 07:35 |
| Skryla1 | heh | 07:36 |
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| Skryla1 | Guess it helps somewhat when you actually make said something available to the people who gave you money :X | 07:36 |
| timeless | anyway... the reason things like pidgin are on the list | 07:36 |
| sgehrman | does pidgin do video chat? | 07:37 |
| timeless | is that the guy who built content for the site was looking for things that worked reasonably well | 07:37 |
| sgehrman | or AIM? | 07:37 |
| timeless | and there weren't many choices | 07:37 |
| Skryla1 | Pidgin does not do video or audio chat, but it does do text for pretty much all networks | 07:37 |
| timeless | i'm not saying pidgin is good or bad | 07:37 |
| sgehrman | it's useless then | 07:37 |
| Skryla1 | It *might* do file transfers as well | 07:37 |
| timeless | jablet also lets the native client handle pretty much anything | 07:37 |
| Skryla1 | But Nokia's video chat is nigh worthless until recently :P | 07:37 |
| timeless | the person who essentially owns that page isn't beholden to the nokia software team | 07:38 |
| timeless | nokiia is still a hardware group... hardware asks for software, hardware markets itself | 07:38 |
| timeless | hardware markets whatever it feels like marketting | 07:38 |
| Skryla1 | Gizmo 4 on the n* can video out to Gizmo 4 on the PC, but if you aren't running OS2008 on the N* and windows XP on the desktop, it's still somewhat useless | 07:38 |
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| timeless | presumably gizmo would add video for other clients eventually | 07:39 |
| * timeless wonders what webot is | 07:40 | |
| Skryla1 | We didn't check the other protocols | 07:40 |
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| kupesoft | any mirrors for os2008? | 07:44 |
| sgehrman | Why is Nokia so pathetic. Obviously there are people who use Mac OS, but they didn't feel the need to create a mac updater | 07:44 |
| kupesoft | sgehrman: give it a rest, | 07:44 |
| sgehrman | I want an answer | 07:44 |
| sgehrman | why | 07:44 |
| tank-man | sounds like the n810 was an impulse buy for you | 07:44 |
| gm | there is a mac updater | 07:44 |
| sgehrman | where | 07:45 |
| kupesoft | Ask someone who works for Nokia, this channel for maemo | 07:45 |
| sgehrman | I couldnt find it | 07:45 |
| gm | the site that it's on is down | 07:45 |
| gm | it's on maemo.org somewhere | 07:45 |
| sgehrman | i searched, but didn't find it | 07:45 |
| gm | flasher-2.0-macosx is what you want | 07:45 |
| Skryla1 | sgehrman: I would just give it a day or two for the website to cool down, it should be fine then. | 07:45 |
| gm | i have a mac and i managed to put os2008 on my n800 | 07:45 |
| kupesoft | You could live boot linux on your mac, | 07:46 |
| sgehrman | danka | 07:46 |
| gm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5731 | 07:46 |
| gm | or you could compile 0xFFFF yourself | 07:46 |
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| thoughtfix | awww | 07:47 |
| thoughtfix | someone diggd me | 07:47 |
| Anastasia | Lots of folks dig ya :-) | 07:48 |
| thoughtfix | The second OS2007 release with Skype got several hundred diggs | 07:49 |
| thoughtfix | http://digg.com/gadgets/TabletBlog_reviews_OS2008_for_the_Nokia_Internet_Tablets | 07:49 |
| thoughtfix | Hope this one gets at least one dozen :D | 07:49 |
| thoughtfix | (yes I am begging) | 07:49 |
| thoughtfix | ;) | 07:49 |
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| Skryla1 | :P | 07:49 |
| Skryla1 | Use your evil N800 botnet to give yourself hundreds of digs | 07:49 |
| thoughtfix | Good idea! | 07:50 |
| Skryla1 | I bet you could buy 50 diggs from china for $0.20 | 07:50 |
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| thoughtfix | But those are China diggs | 07:51 |
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| Skryla1 | You'd rather have zombie botnet diggs? | 07:51 |
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| thoughtfix | They probably come from some child labor Digg sweat shop | 07:51 |
| * shackan resumes his digg account from the ashes | 07:51 | |
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| * Skryla1 notes that the article has been dugg by both Zombee and Brains | 07:51 | |
| shackan | mm, whom ? | 07:52 |
| shackan | thoughtfix: oww, just one digg? | 07:52 |
| * Skryla1 mmm bowl of fatty potato chips. | 07:52 | |
| thoughtfix | The article is only an hour old if that ;) | 07:53 |
| Skryla1 | :P | 07:53 |
| Skryla1 | It takes a little while to circulate. Most RSS feeds only update every couple hours, if not once a day. | 07:53 |
| Skryla1 | RSS feed readers, that is | 07:53 |
| |R | thoughtfix : now up to 2 ;) (digg) | 07:53 |
| thoughtfix | Right | 07:54 |
| thoughtfix | I am patient | 07:54 |
| thoughtfix | Most of my traffic will be tomorrow morning on that article | 07:54 |
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| * |R can't stand digg anymore though.. | 07:54 | |
| Skryla1 | I read that Halo 3 prevented a recession. | 07:55 |
| * Skryla1 questions the value of news coming off of Something Awful | 07:55 | |
| thoughtfix | Hahahaha | 07:55 |
| |R | haha :) | 07:55 |
| Skryla1 | He said that if we all spent our money wisely, the economy would crash, and so we must buy every halo product that comes out. | 07:55 |
| Anastasia | OK, I gotta go find mplayer. | 07:56 |
| Skryla1 | Because Xblocks keep the economy alive.XD | 07:56 |
| Skryla1 | Mplayer is that way | 07:56 |
| * Skryla1 points | 07:56 | |
| |R | Setting up libpurple0 (2.3.1-0nix1) ... | 07:57 |
| |R | gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source. | 07:57 |
| |R | urhm, and then 300lines of Installed schema :P | 07:57 |
| Skryla1 | oO | 07:57 |
| Skryla1 | What's that from? You don't need to do a source build to use pidgin | 07:57 |
| |R | apt-get install pidgin-otr from it's dependancy libpurple0 | 07:57 |
| |R | its | 07:58 |
| kupesoft | What is r&d mode? | 07:58 |
| Skryla1 | research & development | 07:58 |
| kupesoft | I know, what's it provide that "production" mode doesn't? | 07:58 |
| Skryla1 | root access | 07:58 |
| Skryla1 | for serious hacking | 07:58 |
| kupesoft | I can get root access on my "production mode", though.. | 07:59 |
| Khertan | pffff maemo team wish that all dev upload their deb to their repository extras and extras dev .... but they should change their server !!!! 35min to download 1.35Mo !!!! It's a shame | 07:59 |
| Skryla1 | Production>Red-Pill->R&D | 07:59 |
| Anastasia | incompatible application package :-/. | 07:59 |
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| kupesoft | ^^ What does that mean, | 07:59 |
| kupesoft | Skryla1: what does that mean? | 07:59 |
| |R | am i the only one fed up with the mini-scroller on the desktop RSS ? | 07:59 |
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| Skryla1 | levels of doom | 08:00 |
| Anastasia | kupesoft: Dunno, but it is what I get trying to install mplayer :-( | 08:00 |
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| sgehrman | anyone have a phone number at Nokia headquarters? | 08:01 |
| Skryla1 | those aren't distributed | 08:02 |
| sgehrman | that's why I'm asking | 08:02 |
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| Anastasia | What, you expect them to actually talk to thier cosumers? Silly boy. | 08:03 |
| unique311 | ever heard of The holy mountain. | 08:03 |
| unique311 | http://www.stage6.com/user/piter_roberts/video/1961658/dissertation-834 | 08:03 |
| sgehrman | they won't even email customers | 08:04 |
| sgehrman | I got a form letter back | 08:04 |
| Anastasia | All the big businesses are getting like that. Gimme your $$$ and **** you. | 08:04 |
| Anastasia | Some have customer avoidance systems though :) | 08:05 |
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| Anastasia | I guess I need to go back to 2007 to get mplayer?!? | 08:07 |
| |R | uhm no? | 08:08 |
| Anastasia | incompatible application package :-/. | 08:08 |
| Anastasia | on the n800 2008 OS. | 08:08 |
| Skryla1 | Can you do it in red-pill mode? | 08:09 |
| |R | weird, just did apt-get 15 sec ago | 08:09 |
| Anastasia | Hadn't tried that. | 08:09 |
| Skryla1 | Red-pill turns that off and does a raw apt-pkg install run | 08:09 |
| Anastasia | Turned off red-pill so I could get through the app catalog in the same day :). | 08:10 |
| Skryla1 | You can turn it back off afterwards :P | 08:10 |
| Anastasia | OK, will try that, thanks |R ! | 08:10 |
| Anastasia | Skryla1: I did?!?! | 08:10 |
| Skryla1 | hm? | 08:10 |
| * Skryla1 is now lost :( | 08:10 | |
| Anastasia | Iirc it is a toggle. | 08:11 |
| Skryla1 | No | 08:11 |
| Anastasia | First time turns it on, second turns it off. | 08:11 |
| Anastasia | At least under 2007 | 08:11 |
| Skryla1 | It doesn't toggle, you pick the red pill or the blue pill | 08:11 |
| Skryla1 | :S | 08:11 |
| * |R prefers green pills | 08:12 | |
| Skryla1 | Those pills are hax :( | 08:12 |
| Anastasia | :-) OK, guess I got blue pill then and only 9 million gcompris and pidgeon packages :-). | 08:12 |
| Skryla1 | :S | 08:13 |
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| thoughtfix | Hmm | 08:14 |
| thoughtfix | I have only a white pill and a blue pill | 08:15 |
| thoughtfix | and I take them both | 08:15 |
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| Anastasia | My shrink says to do that too and don't forget even one :) | 08:19 |
| Skryla1 | I wonder how long it would take to write a quick puzzlequest clone for the trip | 08:21 |
| Skryla1 | Considering it's basically a glorified bejeweled, probably not long. :S | 08:22 |
| * Skryla1 continues to talk to himself after everybody has gone to bed due to it being 12am | 08:24 | |
| kulve | 08:24 | 08:26 |
| Anastasia | Nice thing about talking to yourself, you never loose an argument :). | 08:27 |
| Anastasia | Well, not often anyway... | 08:27 |
| Skryla1 | I lose arguments with myself all the time. | 08:27 |
| * Skryla1 is a very lonely person. | 08:27 | |
| Anastasia | There is always IRC :) | 08:27 |
| Skryla1 | Not when everybodys asleep! | 08:28 |
| Anastasia | You can talk to yourself anytime :) | 08:28 |
| Skryla1 | That's no fun. | 08:28 |
| Skryla1 | I already know what I'm going to say to myself. | 08:28 |
| Anastasia | Not me, I surprise myself often. | 08:28 |
| Skryla1 | I saved myself from some bad impulse buying earlier :S | 08:28 |
| Anastasia | onlt 2230 here, you must be in CST. | 08:29 |
| Skryla1 | Was going to get that game the guys from new westwood made | 08:29 |
| Anastasia | Me too, too broke to do it :) | 08:29 |
| Skryla1 | It's not even pirate worthy. | 08:29 |
| Skryla1 | Multiplayer is that stupid Windows LIVE garbage | 08:29 |
| Anastasia | Ewwwww | 08:29 |
| Skryla1 | "lol i bet if we charged 50$ for stuff battle.net doez 4 free, ppl would buy it" | 08:30 |
| * Anastasia doesn't support "entertainment" mafias anymore. | 08:30 | |
| Skryla1 | Such is the Xblock 360 creed, I suppose. | 08:30 |
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| Skryla1 | People are paying yearly to play Halo when every other game out there has no such fee. Even the PC version of Halo 1 is free. | 08:30 |
| Anastasia | Never quite got bitten by the game console bug. | 08:30 |
| Skryla1 | I loathe the xblock | 08:31 |
| Skryla1 | It tends to attract 'tards, with some exceptions. | 08:31 |
| Skryla1 | So the game makers dumb everything down for those tards, so something like Daggerfall and Morrowind get watered down a lot in to Oblivion who's main selling point is "lol it pretty" | 08:31 |
| Anastasia | I no longer do ANTHING m$... | 08:32 |
| Anastasia | Tempted to get COD4 that wasn't bad. | 08:32 |
| Skryla1 | Amusingly, consoles aren't *that* powerful. If you consider the fact that consoles commonly render in 640x480 | 08:32 |
| Anastasia | Got the demo and gave that a go. Unlike something like doom, it didn't make me sick. | 08:32 |
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| Skryla1 | I wasn't ensnared by COD4 | 08:33 |
| Anastasia | I think this box is at least more versatile than a game box. Maybe as fast, dunno. | 08:33 |
| Skryla1 | Quake Wars is tempting, though. | 08:33 |
| Anastasia | I really had a good time with OFP, that was a LOT of fun with a couple good people. | 08:33 |
| Skryla1 | I think my desktop is more powerful than a 360 :| | 08:33 |
| Skryla1 | I even have a 360 controller plugged in to it right now | 08:33 |
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| Anastasia | amd xp4200+/2G PC3200/Nvidia 6600GT/128< | 08:34 |
| Skryla1 | Anastasia: You know, I have been off and on trying to get someone to play operation flashpoint. | 08:34 |
| Anastasia | x2 | 08:34 |
| Anastasia | We used to have a real team but everyone got RL involvements and drifted off. | 08:34 |
| Skryla1 | It's on Gametap, though I've lost my <3 for them since they pulled about 70 games with barely any notice and decided that user communication isn't important | 08:34 |
| Anastasia | Tried a couple of those kind of things, very unimpressive. | 08:35 |
| Anastasia | Lots of (pardon) real asses... | 08:35 |
| Skryla1 | What? Multiplayer OFP? | 08:35 |
| Skryla1 | I found it's best if it's a pre-assembled group from an IRC channel. | 08:36 |
| Anastasia | Did that with a closed and VERY good group (all ex mil except for me :-). | 08:36 |
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| Skryla1 | we did that once with TF2 | 08:36 |
| Anastasia | F2 ? | 08:36 |
| Anastasia | TF2? | 08:36 |
| Skryla1 | Except one guy decided to bring a bunch of his goon troll friends and ruin it for everyone | 08:36 |
| Skryla1 | team fortress 2 | 08:36 |
| Anastasia | Not much of gamer. | 08:36 |
| Anastasia | Those kinds just ruin it big time. | 08:36 |
| Anastasia | I even quit flying vatsim over issues like that. | 08:37 |
| Anastasia | Some folks just got to be important... | 08:37 |
| Skryla1 | I ban SA goons on sight, unless they're just really really cool. | 08:37 |
| Skryla1 | I've noticed they're more problematic than random joiners | 08:37 |
| Anastasia | SA? | 08:37 |
| Skryla1 | something awful | 08:37 |
| Anastasia | Good on ya! | 08:37 |
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| Anastasia | Once we got all the Good Guys(TM) together we had some really GREAT times. | 08:38 |
| Anastasia | Naval carrier ops in m$fs and OFP too. | 08:38 |
| Skryla1 | You know what's a fun game? Patched up Soldner | 08:38 |
| Skryla1 | IGN berated it because it actually has a ton of weapons and vehicles in it | 08:39 |
| Anastasia | Never heard of it, as noted, not much of a gamer. | 08:39 |
| tank-man | you know whats a fun game? counter strike | 08:39 |
| Anastasia | Best thing about OFP was the programmability - sure made that work for us. | 08:39 |
| Skryla1 | Counter Strike is the epitome of boring | 08:39 |
| tank-man | heh | 08:39 |
| Anastasia | AI was just a little unrealistically sharp though. | 08:39 |
| Skryla1 | Whoever came up with the "spectate after death" system is a moron and should be shivved | 08:39 |
| Anastasia | Over my head :-). | 08:40 |
| Skryla1 | I played OFP some until I got a new computer. | 08:40 |
| Skryla1 | Haven't bothered to reinstall it since then. | 08:40 |
| Anastasia | Fun install IIRC. | 08:41 |
| Skryla1 | Not reallly :/ | 08:41 |
| Skryla1 | I just go in and click "Download Game" and wait 30 minutes. | 08:41 |
| Skryla1 | Used to get something like 600kb/s from Gametap's servers | 08:41 |
| Anastasia | Been so long since I booted the m$ partition, I don't know if it made it back in after the last time it committed suicude (m$xp) | 08:41 |
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| Skryla1 | But the service has gone downhill and now I only get 600kb/s on a good day, I usually get 300 or less | 08:41 |
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| Anastasia | Lag is a killer in some of those games. | 08:42 |
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| Anastasia | Combat ops in fs98 was impossible, by the time you done it, it took forever for everyone to update to it. Forgot that fast. | 08:42 |
| Skryla1 | Mech Warrior 3 is also <3 | 08:42 |
| Skryla1 | I've given up the search for a good MMO. | 08:43 |
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| Anastasia | MMO? | 08:44 |
| * Anastasia is so ignorant about gaming stuff :-/. | 08:44 | |
| Skryla1 | Star Wars Galaxies was one of the more likable ones, but Sony's decision to add levels and grind pretty much left it boring, grindy, and with a bit of a dead atmosphere | 08:44 |
| Skryla1 | MMORPG | 08:44 |
| Skryla1 | you know, those crappy everquest clones wherein you do nothing but grind for slightly better armor? | 08:44 |
| Anastasia | No :-) | 08:44 |
| Anastasia | LOL | 08:44 |
| ckn_2k2 | hi, i am new to Maemo. and I want to create my own package for Maemo application. is there any tutorial or example for that | 08:44 |
| * Skryla1 thinks. | 08:45 | |
| Anastasia | Yes, but the site may be overloaded with everyone snarfing the new OS release, lemme get the URL. | 08:45 |
| Skryla1 | Aren't they just debian packages? | 08:45 |
| Anastasia | Yes, but SPECIFICALLY compiled for ARM. | 08:45 |
| Anastasia | http://maemo.org/ | 08:45 |
| Anastasia | ckn_2k2: Look at the development link, it is pretty painless to set up. | 08:46 |
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| Skryla1 | Anastasia: Ultima Online was a legend | 08:47 |
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| Skryla1 | It's pretty much the ONLY MMO that exists that isn't somehow a clone from Everquest | 08:47 |
| Anastasia | My biggie for gaming has been m$fs, but I rarely do that anymore. | 08:47 |
| ckn_2k2 | Skrylal: i know this is a debian packages but how can i add icon to application menu using deskop file and service file and also how should my file structure look. Its confusing on Maemo.org, so if anybody have any simple example then it will be very helpful | 08:47 |
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| Skryla1 | Isn't the app icon just a png or something stored in the share folder? | 08:48 |
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| Anastasia | ckn_2k2: Things are kind of sparse here now and I am sure no developer, sorry. | 08:48 |
| Skryla1 | And referenced from the menu entry's config file | 08:48 |
| * Skryla1 would look if it wasn't for said snarfing. | 08:48 | |
| dragorn | if maemo.org is confusing, just unpack another deb and look at how it does it | 08:49 |
| Skryla1 | Or you could call the nokia headquarters | 08:50 |
| Skryla1 | XD XD XD | 08:50 |
| ckn_2k2 | from where can i get start up info about this maemo application packaging | 08:51 |
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| Skryla1 | I bork how many times I can bork up this bork and it still make bork. | 08:56 |
| Skryla1 | me is lonely again :( | 08:57 |
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| ckn_2k2 | Skrylal: can you guilde for Maemo Application Packaging | 09:02 |
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| kulve | ckn_2k2: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html | 09:06 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: your web site crashed my safari | 09:07 |
| thoughtfix | My personal site or my blog? | 09:07 |
| kulve | timelyx: fix your browser | 09:07 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: first | 09:08 |
| thoughtfix | thoughtfix.com? | 09:08 |
| timelyx | if you don't enable the extras repository, restoring applications won't work right | 09:08 |
| timelyx | please fix your comment about restore to indicate that people really have to enable it first | 09:09 |
| timelyx | http://tabletblog.com/2007/12/internet-tablet-os2008-review.html | 09:09 |
| timelyx | that's yours, right? | 09:09 |
| timelyx | kulve: i can't. it's the newest browser available form apple for os x 10.3.9 | 09:09 |
| timelyx | feel free to buy me a license for 10.5 :) | 09:09 |
| thoughtfix | tabletblog.com and thoughtfix.com both load fine in Safari 3.0.4 on an Intel iMac with Leopard | 09:10 |
| kulve | timelyx: yeah I know. My point just was that bad input is no excuse for any app to crash (even though quite many do) | 09:10 |
| thoughtfix | Switch to Firefox? ;) | 09:10 |
| timelyx | kulve: oh, i'm not defending safari | 09:11 |
| timelyx | bugzilla has a button which i call "click here to crash" | 09:11 |
| kulve | any by "bad input" I didn't mean the content from those blogs ;) | 09:11 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: firefox3 doesn't support 10.3.9 either | 09:11 |
| limepi | they're all terrible. | 09:11 |
| timelyx | so i have my choice of 3 or so old browsers | 09:11 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: this url is yours, right? | 09:11 |
| limepi | but this is like complaining that the model T was "too bumpy" | 09:11 |
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| thoughtfix | Yes | 09:12 |
| timelyx | limepi: thoughtfix complained firefox crashed, i'm merely returning the favor | 09:12 |
| thoughtfix | Hahahaha | 09:12 |
| thoughtfix | I was watching an hour long video on Google Video and had 14 tabs open while researching the article. | 09:12 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: you might want to check the spelling of the os | 09:12 |
| timelyx | (OS 2008, OS2008, ITOS 2008, ...) | 09:13 |
| thoughtfix | Where? | 09:13 |
| timelyx | i have no idea how it should be spelled :) | 09:13 |
| thoughtfix | It's "Internet Tablet OS2008" | 09:13 |
| limepi | I abuse the hell out of my browsers by opening about 15 windows with multiple tabs, and a bunch of open pdfs | 09:13 |
| * timelyx tends to have <4 safari windows w/ 0 tabs | 09:13 | |
| timelyx | (total) | 09:14 |
| Anastasia | Night everyone, have a good one! | 09:14 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: "Mobile Phone wizard" is wrong | 09:14 |
| Anastasia | Thanks for all the help and info! | 09:14 |
| timelyx | since that kinda implies a proper name | 09:14 |
| timelyx | and nokia names never uppercase the second word | 09:14 |
| timelyx | i have no idea what the official internal name is, but i'm sure it isn't that | 09:14 |
| timelyx | i'd probably just say "mobile phone wizard" | 09:14 |
| timelyx | (in the us, i think it's an operator setup wizard or something) | 09:15 |
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| timelyx | of note, you use "mobile phone wizard" later | 09:16 |
| * timelyx wonders what HSDPA is :( | 09:16 | |
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| thoughtfix | high speed download packet access | 09:16 |
| kulve | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA | 09:16 |
| thoughtfix | I fixed the caps on that wizard | 09:17 |
| gm | very very fast mobile net access :) | 09:17 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: check the case for "Getting Started" | 09:17 |
| timelyx | i'd assume it's "Getting started" | 09:17 |
| timelyx | although, consistency isn't really a strong suite, so i could be wrong | 09:17 |
| timelyx | "It's worth _the_ watch" ? :( | 09:18 |
| kulve | timelyx: you are complaining a lot about case errors without knowning the answer ;) | 09:18 |
| timelyx | => It's worth watching. ? | 09:18 |
| timelyx | kulve: i know the rules | 09:18 |
| timelyx | i just don't know offhand who breaks them | 09:18 |
| thoughtfix | It's worth the time to watch | 09:18 |
| timelyx | sold :) | 09:18 |
| thoughtfix | my brain was cooked by the time I finished this article | 09:18 |
| thoughtfix | Thanks for the copy editing :) | 09:18 |
| timelyx | my brain was cooked hours ago, but you'll recover :) | 09:18 |
| timelyx | This means the whole face of the __ gets "themed" when you choose your background. | 09:19 |
| timelyx | the what? | 09:19 |
| timelyx | device? | 09:19 |
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| kulve | desktop? | 09:19 |
| timelyx | "The top right status bar shows fast access to things like brightness, battery status, Google Talk connectivity, volume, etc." | 09:20 |
| timelyx | that's below a picture of the browser menus | 09:20 |
| timelyx | which doesn't show what you're describing :( | 09:20 |
| gm | what's the url for this review? | 09:20 |
| thoughtfix | "home screen" ... added the text. Thanks. | 09:20 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: personal question: were you surprised that we dropped google news? | 09:20 |
| * timelyx is annoyed by that | 09:20 | |
| timelyx | I have no idea how to spell AJAX/Ajax | 09:21 |
| thoughtfix | I don't have a picture of the status bar | 09:21 |
| thoughtfix | Heh | 09:21 |
| timelyx | There are still hiccups in playing some Flash, but most of the Internet should be just fine. | 09:21 |
| gm | i think it's AJAX | 09:21 |
| gm | heh, we're lucky it has flash :) | 09:21 |
| thoughtfix | And no ... I think you'd want to feature RSS over individual news pages. | 09:21 |
| timelyx | gm: i'll argue it's a style choice, if thoughtfix wants to do it Ajax, i suppose he can | 09:21 |
| timelyx | i don't really care. i'm flagging | 09:21 |
| timelyx | i'm pretty sure i write AJAX | 09:22 |
| gm | yeah, i don't care anyway :) | 09:22 |
| timelyx | when you wrote "some Flash", did you mean "some Flash applets" ? | 09:22 |
| timelyx | "some Flash" just sounds wrong | 09:22 |
| gm | but i'd go uppercase because it's an acronym | 09:22 |
| timelyx | the display's power management does not dim when Flash video is playing. | 09:22 |
| gm | personal preference only though | 09:22 |
| timelyx | when => while ? | 09:23 |
| thoughtfix | some Flash animations | 09:23 |
| thoughtfix | for example | 09:23 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: that sounds better :) | 09:23 |
| timelyx | "choose that one"\ | 09:23 |
| thoughtfix | http://www.homestarrunner.com/expfilm.html | 09:23 |
| thoughtfix | Already did. I am doing edits as you give feedback | 09:23 |
| timelyx | (dial 1-800-555-tell to understand "choose that one") | 09:23 |
| timelyx | ok :) | 09:23 |
| timelyx | get __ healthy amount of text on the screen. | 09:23 |
| timelyx | get a? | 09:23 |
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| timelyx | "we should mention the OS2008 User Site. " | 09:24 |
| thoughtfix | yes | 09:24 |
| timelyx | i think that's the first instance of first person plural active or something | 09:24 |
| thoughtfix | hahaha | 09:25 |
| thoughtfix | Again | 09:25 |
| timelyx | earlier you used "My" and i think maybe some singulars | 09:25 |
| timelyx | There are links to the official maemo team in there too__ in case you're curious who put this all together. | 09:25 |
| timelyx | should there be a comma? | 09:25 |
| thoughtfix | 9 hours at the day job. An hour of commuting. Downloading, installing, playing with, and tinkering with OS2008 before a single word was written. | 09:25 |
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| timelyx | "Time to explore more of the tablet." | 09:26 |
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| timelyx | that line doesn't follow/flow | 09:26 |
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| limepi | eh, using tmbg as an example. | 09:26 |
| timelyx | "wholly", hrm, clearly i never use that word, since i didn't recognize its spelling | 09:26 |
| timelyx | points for tmbg | 09:27 |
| thoughtfix | While on the subject of browsing, the OS2008 User Site deserves a note here. Included are links to all the latest software, updates, news, and more. In case you're curious who put this all together, there are links to the official maemo team in there too. | 09:27 |
| timelyx | but i didn't spot that yet | 09:27 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: yeah, that's better | 09:27 |
| timelyx | hrm | 09:27 |
| limepi | i am further down the spiral | 09:27 |
| timelyx | "curious _about_ who" ...? | 09:27 |
| thoughtfix | It's so hard for me to copy edit my own articles - especially the really big ones. | 09:27 |
| limepi | and increasingly annoyed because their new stuff isn't as good as the older stuff | 09:27 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: i have the same problem | 09:27 |
| timelyx | it's much easier for me to copy edit *anyone* else's work | 09:27 |
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| thoughtfix | changing that to "the people who" | 09:28 |
| timelyx | i'm currently relying on 2 or 3 other people to copy edit a much smaller file of mine | 09:28 |
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| timelyx | yeah, that's better | 09:28 |
| timelyx | ok, i'd ask you to consider changing "wholly" to something else | 09:28 |
| thoughtfix | Forgot to tag the post too. | 09:28 |
| * timelyx just plain doesn't like it | 09:28 | |
| limepi | articles? thoughtfix, do you BLOG 4 BUX | 09:28 |
| timelyx | "My Selection" should be "My selection" | 09:28 |
| timelyx | note the picture :) | 09:28 |
| limepi | or are you one of those real-life author people | 09:28 |
| thoughtfix | "wholly" is a valid word | 09:29 |
| thoughtfix | ;) | 09:29 |
| timelyx | yeah, i'm not arguing it's invalid | 09:29 |
| timelyx | just noting i don't like it :) | 09:29 |
| timelyx | Map not Maps | 09:29 |
| thoughtfix | hahaha. I wholly enjoy that word | 09:29 |
| timelyx | note the name Map is IMO a bug | 09:29 |
| timelyx | but... | 09:29 |
| limepi | wait, are you guys parsing the language for maemo | 09:29 |
| limepi | ha | 09:29 |
| thoughtfix | It should be called Wayfinder | 09:29 |
| timelyx | sorry, phone | 09:29 |
| limepi | OSS :D | 09:29 |
| thoughtfix | limepi - no: He's helping me copy edit my review | 09:30 |
| limepi | that is journalistically bankrupt!!!!!!! | 09:30 |
| thoughtfix | Why? | 09:31 |
| gm | repository.maemo.org is up... fianlly | 09:35 |
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| |R | yep, hammering it right now :P | 09:36 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: note that Map can also work w/ internal GPS (although I don't recommend it ;-) | 09:37 |
| timelyx | but it can be upgraded by subscription ($130 for 3 years.) I | 09:37 |
| timelyx | period incorrectly nested in parens | 09:37 |
| thoughtfix | # * Map - This uses Wayfinder's maps to find where you (with a Bluetooth GPS on the N800 and the internal GPS on the N810) | 09:37 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: i use Bluetooth GPS on N810 | 09:38 |
| thoughtfix | No ... Punctuation always lands inside parentheses | 09:38 |
| timelyx | things inside parens can be omitted | 09:38 |
| timelyx | which means "but it can be upgraded by subscription I" | 09:38 |
| timelyx | which isn't what you want | 09:38 |
| thoughtfix | We'll ignore it. I should've gone to bed 2 hours ago ;) | 09:39 |
| timelyx | Media Player => Media player (see picture ;-) | 09:39 |
| timelyx | i'm skipping sleep | 09:39 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: do you want to mention the modest beta near Email? | 09:39 |
| timelyx | File _m_anager | 09:40 |
| timelyx | not sure about PDF Reader, but it's probably wrong too :) | 09:40 |
| timelyx | Control panel, Application manager, Connection manager, Teach handwriting | 09:40 |
| timelyx | can't remember about Backup/Restore | 09:40 |
| timelyx | (fix those globally) | 09:41 |
| timelyx | The Application Manager allows for easy installations, upgrades, and removals of software. | 09:41 |
| timelyx | the 's' on installation/upgrade/removal bothers me | 09:41 |
| * |R is experiencing very not fun crashes with 2008... | 09:41 | |
| timelyx | but the fix requires work (installation, upgrading, and removal) | 09:41 |
| thoughtfix | Me too | 09:41 |
| timelyx | I wouldn't say that Linux handles software differently | 09:42 |
| thoughtfix | ... | 09:42 |
| timelyx | this is Debian and derivatives | 09:42 |
| timelyx | if you use port on OS X you get similar behavior | 09:42 |
| timelyx | Since they're not all managed by Nokia nor are fully supported, | 09:43 |
| timelyx | drop "are" | 09:43 |
| Skryla1 | Are they still busy snarfing the new os update? | 09:43 |
| timelyx | and heck, i think we've shown you can get errors from the Nokia repositories :) | 09:43 |
| timelyx | CODEC is ime no longer written as an acronym | 09:44 |
| timelyx | it's just "codec" | 09:44 |
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| * timelyx edited a BlueZ doc yesterday which used that | 09:44 | |
| Skryla1 | Snake, use your codec | 09:44 |
| thoughtfix | codec = Coder/Decoder ... Modem = Modulation/Demodulation ;) | 09:44 |
| timelyx | whatever, clearly not all caps :) | 09:45 |
| thoughtfix | hah | 09:45 |
| ckn_2k2 | Skrylal: I already went through that page, but its not giving much clear picture | 09:45 |
| timelyx | While we were updating our respective tablets and discussing them on IRC (in #maemo on freenode,) | 09:45 |
| timelyx | ok, so there is a we, i think you should explain who we is more clearly | 09:46 |
| timelyx | it doesn't quite resolve properly to my fuzzled mind | 09:46 |
| timelyx | The Control Panel (showed above) | 09:46 |
| timelyx | shown | 09:46 |
| timelyx | control of the tablet | 09:46 |
| timelyx | of=>over ? (not sure, maybe preference) | 09:46 |
| |R | codec is like transceiver :) | 09:47 |
| timelyx | Nokia N800 and Nokia N810 are not primarily portable media players or gaming devices, | 09:47 |
| timelyx | "nor" | 09:47 |
| timelyx | it is given those abilities to some degree with bundled and third-party applications | 09:47 |
| timelyx | it is => the are | 09:47 |
| timelyx | much more than that which | 09:48 |
| timelyx | too many four letter words :) | 09:48 |
| timelyx | i'm done | 09:48 |
| thoughtfix | You can tell I got worse as the article went on | 09:48 |
| thoughtfix | hehehe | 09:48 |
| thoughtfix | <-- exhausted | 09:48 |
| thoughtfix | THANK YOU | 09:48 |
| thoughtfix | There were a few glaring mistakes in there | 09:48 |
| timelyx | i think a note about modest at the end might be appropriate | 09:48 |
| thoughtfix | haha | 09:49 |
| thoughtfix | you work hard for your plugs | 09:49 |
| thoughtfix | and you earned that one | 09:49 |
| timelyx | it's not even my software | 09:49 |
| timelyx | i'm microb | 09:49 |
| thoughtfix | How'd you like the microb evaluation? ;) | 09:49 |
| Skryla1 | Oh, dern. When I reboot my computer earlier due to crashery I forgot to turn rsync back on. | 09:49 |
| * Skryla1 likes grsync | 09:50 | |
| thoughtfix | Will modest be included in the official OS? | 09:50 |
| timelyx | it's certainly a goal | 09:51 |
| timelyx | fwiw, microb wanted to make the previous release but missed | 09:52 |
| * Skryla1 wonders what modest is | 09:52 | |
| timelyx | modest was scheduled for one release after (i.e. this one) but missed | 09:52 |
| timelyx | hopefully it'll follow the trend and make the next one, but no guarantees | 09:52 |
| thoughtfix | Two plugs for modest | 09:53 |
| timelyx | getting started was wanted for 2007 (or earlier) i believe, they had it almost ready for 2008/n810 but dropped it at the last minute | 09:53 |
| timelyx | so i was shocked to see it in this 2008 | 09:53 |
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| timelyx | especially as the major bug i know of for it is not actually fixed | 09:53 |
| timelyx | :) | 09:53 |
| timelyx | i believe it's reported in bugs.maemo.org already | 09:53 |
| steri | anyone have mirror for that official n800 os2008 package? | 09:54 |
| felipec | steri: it's on mininova | 09:54 |
| steri | cant use torrent on work | 09:54 |
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| ds3 | hmmm Maemo guide to style? | 09:58 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 10:01 |
| bedboi | what's up with repository.maemo.org? | 10:01 |
| thoughtfix | It's on crack | 10:01 |
| bedboi | what do you mean? | 10:02 |
| pupnik_ | i found a killer portable amp to make a ghetto-blaster out of the n810 ... tripath based chips | 10:02 |
| ds3 | thoughtfix: do you know of another x86 based UMPC in the same pricerange as the EeePC? | 10:03 |
| tigert | bedboi: I guess everyone is trying to download the apps at once :-P | 10:03 |
| thoughtfix | Expect the Cloudbook in 1-4 months | 10:03 |
| bedboi | it's happening since yesterday night | 10:03 |
| ds3 | so the EeePC really is just the tip of the iceberg? | 10:03 |
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| bedboi | i just guess the http server is down | 10:04 |
| bedboi | i can ping the server | 10:04 |
| thoughtfix | See every bit of technology surrounding you? That's ALL just the tip of the iceberg. | 10:05 |
| pupnik_ | ds3 x86 will always be an evil of biblical proportions | 10:05 |
| thoughtfix | But no. I won't be able to report more on embedded Linux devices until after CES when everyone is done showing off their wares | 10:05 |
| tigert | in any case it's morning here now | 10:06 |
| bedboi | tigert: yep sadly | 10:06 |
| tigert | at least the folks who can do something about the servers are awake | 10:06 |
| thoughtfix | I have to wake up in 5 hours for work | 10:06 |
| tigert | at least soon :) | 10:06 |
| thoughtfix | I'm done blogging for the night | 10:06 |
| tigert | yo thoughtfix | 10:06 |
| thoughtfix | Thanks for all the feedback :) | 10:06 |
| thoughtfix | Hey Tigert | 10:06 |
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| ds3 | pupnik_: yes, but x86 has its uses for legacy apps. and a tiny UMPC is probally the most space I want to spend on legacy stuff ;) | 10:07 |
| bedboi | ok, trying to catch the RER, later | 10:08 |
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| hahlo | Now that I have working sb2, can I build any package just by 'sb2 apt-get source' and 'sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d' ? | 10:10 |
| timelyx | thoughtfix: as you saw i had no comments about your microb text | 10:11 |
| timelyx | i was of course delighted that you had no complaints :) | 10:11 |
| timelyx | and it's really best to hear that the things you want to do w/ the browser just work | 10:11 |
| thoughtfix | And why would I? There's no better mobile browser available. | 10:11 |
| timelyx | browsers are enablers, if things just work, that's how it should be | 10:11 |
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| timelyx | the only time people here about browsers is when things go wrong | 10:11 |
| thoughtfix | Security holes and crashes | 10:12 |
| thoughtfix | But really | 10:12 |
| thoughtfix | sleep for me | 10:12 |
| timelyx | work for me | 10:12 |
| thoughtfix | I have the "other job" to pay the bills | 10:12 |
| thoughtfix | Thanks again! | 10:12 |
| timelyx | thanks for sticking around to catch feedback | 10:12 |
| thoughtfix | And get your friends to digg it up :D | 10:12 |
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| timelyx | friends? digg? | 10:12 |
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| hahlo | I tried to build tin and got 'configure: error: Cannot link ncursesw library' I miss something or? | 10:29 |
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| GNUton | Hi! :) | 10:37 |
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| t_s_o | heh, looking at the tabletblog review, and the carrypad review side by side is "entertaining"... | 10:40 |
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| timelyx | carrypad? | 10:45 |
| t_s_o | carrypad.com, the "mid" brother of umpcportal.com... | 10:47 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
| GNUton | Hello Jaffa! | 10:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Morning ! | 10:49 |
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| blithe | I love how I have to torrent an official firmware upgrade off TPB. :P | 10:57 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, sounds like there is a impressive amount of users grabbing for the latest update then | 11:09 |
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| blithe | Took me 10 minutes just to get the 40k flasher to download. :P | 11:10 |
| t_s_o | ouch | 11:11 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:27 |
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| blithe | Morning. | 11:30 |
| pupnik | hi blithe | 11:33 |
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| pupnik | Wed Dec 19 10:34:31 CET 2007 | 11:34 |
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| Skryla1 | pewp | 11:40 |
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| Skryla1 | bored | 11:42 |
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| * Skryla1 goes to bed. | 11:46 | |
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| Khertan_TheReal | arg no more wifi at work ... i can't apt-get install | 11:51 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | someone know how to make connection by usb with a stupid windows ? | 11:51 |
| rothiel | Hello World :) | 11:52 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | hello alone ... | 11:53 |
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| hahlo | hehee this sb2 seems to build i386.deb packages for me, instead of arm | 12:03 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:06 |
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| pupnik | N810 micro/miniSD card comparison - share your test results here! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110998#post110998 | 12:13 |
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| gm | flip^: yes, it seems to be having issues | 12:17 |
| flip^ | issues is an understatement | 12:18 |
| GNUton | i'm working on Qt4 hildonization and i'm looking for existing patches... | 12:20 |
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| GNUton | Can i create a Hildon Menu with DBUS? | 12:24 |
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| latzko | hi | 12:26 |
| micron | hi | 12:26 |
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| latzko | can you help me with oprofile, op2calltree and kcachegrind? I have an output that kcachegrind can read but it does not make any graphs only individual nodes | 12:28 |
| latzko | oprofile works well | 12:29 |
| micron | latzko: sorry, I'm here just to collect some informations about nokia n770, I would like to buy it | 12:29 |
| micron | but I don't know if it is still supported by nokia | 12:29 |
| latzko | np :) | 12:29 |
| micron | any hint? | 12:30 |
| pupnik | what do you mean 'support' | 12:30 |
| micron | pupnik: it seems latest OS2008 release doesn't support n770 | 12:30 |
| pupnik | Right | 12:30 |
| GNUton | ciao micron! | 12:31 |
| micron | ciao GNUton, non ti avevo visto! hai un 770? | 12:31 |
| GNUton | micron: "quasi" :) | 12:31 |
| Spakman_ | has anyone played with Frothing (the Liferea port)? | 12:32 |
| micron | another question: as I've read on the web it seems that debian packages for n770 aren't compatible with n800 platform (and vice-versa) | 12:32 |
| micron | is it true? | 12:32 |
| micron | I'm scared because I don't want to spent money for a "dying" gadget | 12:33 |
| GNUton | micron: no, i'm waiting for a N810.. | 12:33 |
| micron | GNUton: ok ;) | 12:34 |
| gm | get a n800 :) | 12:34 |
| gm | they don't cost that much more than the 770 | 12:34 |
| tigert | 770 is so 2005 :) | 12:35 |
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| tigert | it has quite limited memory too etc | 12:35 |
| micron | gm: let me check ebay ;) | 12:35 |
| pupnik | yeah but it's the most durable tablet | 12:36 |
| pupnik | for just surfing normal sites, playing back videos (mplayer) and chat... 770 still a great device | 12:36 |
| gm | yeah, i wish the 800 was the slider design | 12:37 |
| pupnik | well no - not normal sites - html sites (not javascript monsters) | 12:37 |
| micron | pupnik: I would use it as a mail client | 12:37 |
| pupnik | Ah. well there is always a danger of something cool arriving on on OS2008 | 12:38 |
| gm | i wonder if we'll ever see 2008 hacker edition? | 12:38 |
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| pupnik | Well i like the 770 still but then again... | 12:40 |
| pupnik | as they say in Serbia, "Every Gypsy has nothing but praise for his horse" (Svaki Ciga svoga konja hvali) | 12:40 |
| gm | so true :) | 12:40 |
| flip^ | they reckon there'll be a 2008 hacker edition, but it'll probably be further from actual os2008 than he2007 was from os2007 | 12:44 |
| gm | hmmm | 12:46 |
| gm | some components too slow? | 12:46 |
| flip^ | i don't know the reasoning. just one or two people/sites have said that there will be a he2008, but that it won't be just os2008 on a n770 | 12:47 |
| flip^ | nothing more specific than that | 12:47 |
| gm | link? | 12:47 |
| flip^ | er... peer at the maemo irc logs from the topic, i guess? i'm pretty sure i saw it in here | 12:48 |
| flip^ | i might have read it somewhere on ITT actually | 12:49 |
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| flip^ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-10857.html | 12:51 |
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| micron | what are hacker editions? | 12:53 |
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| gm | making unsupported oses run on the 770 | 12:54 |
| gm | i.e. 2007 and in future 2008 | 12:54 |
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| micron | gm: thanks | 12:54 |
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| Tykc | привет всем! | 13:06 |
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| Tykc | рідна мова | 13:08 |
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| lardman | still problems downloading the new image? | 13:30 |
| lardman | I can't even connect to the nokia download site | 13:30 |
| * mgedmin gave up, googled for the filename and found a torrent | 13:31 | |
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| * lardman will wait anyway, otherwise he needs to setup his dsp stuff again | 13:31 | |
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| Khertan_TheReal | lol | 13:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve flashed my n800 ... but it still unusable ... | 13:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | can't install anything ... maemo repository is still down | 13:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | maybe they should try to update the webserver ... use a n810 instead of an n800 with ngix | 13:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 13:35 |
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| guerby | Khertan_TheReal, yep repository looks really slow, I haven't been able to update anything yet | 13:36 |
| Spakman_ | Can anyone tell me how to make the centre button on the d-pad bring up the thumb keyboard on my dialog box, like the rest of OS2008? | 13:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | maybe they use the same server as this one : http://www.spacerogue.net/Camneerg/index.html | 13:37 |
| guerby | I really wonder on what box they run it on, AFAIK repo is just a passive web server, even a P3 with 256MB of RAM could handle the load | 13:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | with this "Motorola 68000 @ 8MHz" you can make a web server :) | 13:38 |
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| pupnik | somebody made a webserver off a 6502 apple ][ once | 13:42 |
| lardman | does anyone else find the rating system for Maemo news quite confusing? | 13:44 |
| lardman | in that new messages pop up somewhere near the bottom so you have to look hard to see them | 13:44 |
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| mgedmin | meh, ratings | 13:45 |
| * mgedmin reads the planet maemo feed only | 13:45 | |
| * mgedmin sees no rating system | 13:45 | |
| lardman | ha, I've just realised that they are categorised on the rhs in date-added order | 13:45 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | pupnik > it s the same guy :) | 13:46 |
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| guerby | a mirror of repository.maemo somewhere? | 13:49 |
| lardman | do we know what's wrong with their servers? I thought they had some downtime to do some fixes recently? | 13:49 |
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| alterego | Much better .. | 13:55 |
| alterego | Sorry for the silly reconnections. Had some issue with my tunnels. | 13:55 |
| kulve | lardman: I would guess it's just overloaded because of the new releasess.. | 13:55 |
| alterego | Damn useless dwarves .. | 13:55 |
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| alterego | No chance of me getting an N810 before Christmas now. | 13:56 |
| alterego | Oh well .. | 13:56 |
| alterego | Knew asking Santa was a long shot .. | 13:57 |
| gm | what does os2008 use for sound? | 13:58 |
| kulve | "use for sound"? | 13:58 |
| gm | what api? | 13:58 |
| Robot101 | dsp madness for most stuff, alsa plugins for compatability, esound for beeps/clicks | 13:59 |
| alterego | Generally .. gstreamer .. | 13:59 |
| gm | alright | 13:59 |
| gm | actually, it supports esd? | 13:59 |
| Robot101 | to access the dsp stuff you use magic gstreamer elements | 13:59 |
| alterego | Not really "supports" it :D | 13:59 |
| kulve | gm: the esd there just uses the same dsp | 13:59 |
| kulve | gstreamer is the supported api | 13:59 |
| gm | well, i can tell an app to use esd, and it will get sound out of the speakers? | 13:59 |
| kulve | gm: I guess it will | 14:00 |
| gm | i'm doing that basiliskii port, and basiliskii supports esd for sound output | 14:00 |
| Robot101 | yes, the dsp has two channels, one is for esd, one is for 'current app', like media player or voip | 14:00 |
| Robot101 | yes esd should work | 14:00 |
| gm | excellent | 14:00 |
| gm | time to recompile, again :) | 14:00 |
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| gm | oh yeah, repository.maemo.org is down | 14:01 |
| gm | yayyy | 14:01 |
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| gm | nope, up | 14:01 |
| gm | but slow | 14:01 |
| kulve | extremely slow | 14:02 |
| kulve | Fetched 7338B in 4m10s (29B/s) | 14:02 |
| gm | this recompile could take a few minutes, the dev environment is on the n800 | 14:03 |
| gm | which is rather cool, but rather annoying at the same time :) | 14:03 |
| milhouse | bug 2531 is probably worth commenting against regarding the poor download performance. | 14:04 |
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| milhouse | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531 | 14:05 |
| alterego | Best wait until this weekend for the update madness to end. | 14:07 |
| alterego | I have the image but I'm not going to flash it until I have my full attention ;D | 14:07 |
| lardman | damn, keyboard gone flat, time to get batteries | 14:08 |
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| * flip^ notes all the repositories just seem to have started working happily | 14:08 | |
| guerby | hmm, what package for ssh 'ssh' or 'openssh' ? | 14:09 |
| flip^ | i used openssh | 14:09 |
| tontsa | openssh | 14:09 |
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| guerby | flip^, tontsa ok thx | 14:09 |
| guerby | stuck at 'downloading' though | 14:09 |
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| flip^ | i've had a lot of that lately | 14:12 |
| flip^ | but things just seem to have improved | 14:12 |
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| flip^ | still hangs now and hten, but working a lot better than it was over the last 24 hours | 14:12 |
| gm | hmm, has anyone had gcc segfault on the n800? | 14:13 |
| guerby | flip^, didn't remember the install of openssh asked for definig the root password | 14:13 |
| gm | i think i may know why... | 14:13 |
| flip^ | it never used to... but it does now for whatever reason | 14:14 |
| gm | i'm compiling stuff off the internal sd | 14:14 |
| gm | picked the device up and shook it round a bit, and bang, segfault | 14:14 |
| flip^ | didn't know there was a working gcc for the device | 14:15 |
| gm | you have to install the maemo sdk repository | 14:15 |
| gm | a little highly un-recommended, but it works | 14:15 |
| gm | hmm, i can't reproduce that now... | 14:15 |
| guerby | cd /usr/bin; mv metalayer-crawler crap | 14:16 |
| guerby | feels better now | 14:16 |
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| gm | what's metalayer-crawler do? | 14:16 |
| gm | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531 | 14:16 |
| gm | whoops | 14:16 |
| flip^ | mostly eat cpu time and battery | 14:17 |
| gm | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=metalayer-crawler&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 14:17 |
| gm | doesn't seem too good :) | 14:17 |
| gm | what negative effects would getting rid of it have? | 14:17 |
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| gm | hmm, it might not be loose internal sd | 14:20 |
| gm | it just segfaulted then, and i didn't move it | 14:20 |
| Khertan_TheReal | someone can help me setting network by usb using windows ? as i m not a windows expert it doesn't work :) | 14:20 |
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| flip^ | gm: never seen any side effects so far ;) | 14:20 |
| gm | alright | 14:20 |
| gm | hmm, it segfaults doing big files... | 14:20 |
| gm | though not consistently | 14:21 |
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| dpb_ | not suprising that.. gcc isn't meant to be used on the device.. | 14:21 |
| gm | yeah, of course :) | 14:22 |
| gm | but it is rather cool to be able to compile stuff on the go | 14:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | when i try to activate the network on windows i just get an error without more information | 14:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | +s | 14:22 |
| gm | heh, i should use the arm segfault handler i just hacked up so it actually would work in basiliskii in gcc :P | 14:23 |
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| gm | ... or just hack it so it starts again when it segfaults, as that seems to work 90% of the time (if not, a third try, etc) | 14:25 |
| gm | compiling runs the battery flat fast though :) | 14:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | listen audio at the same time ... | 14:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | as when you listen a audio file dsp is used ... and cpu frenquency down to 3xxMhz | 14:27 |
| guerby | gm, I found none personnally (don't forget to kill the process after the mv) | 14:27 |
| gm | ok | 14:28 |
| gm | ... or i could just use the charger :P | 14:28 |
| guerby | hmm does the restore application list restore just repo or is supposed to reinstall things? | 14:29 |
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| gm | alright, i just got "using ESD audio output" out of it | 14:30 |
| gm | now will this behave | 14:30 |
| guerby | is the extra / "get started" new? don't remeber seeing it before | 14:31 |
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| gm | sound works :D | 14:32 |
| guardian | any ETA on repository.maemo.org ? | 14:33 |
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| gm | guardian: was up earlier | 14:45 |
| gm | it's up and down | 14:45 |
| guardian | oh ok | 14:45 |
| gm | i wonder if nyud.net would work here | 14:45 |
| gm | http://repository.maemo.org.nyud.net:8090/ | 14:45 |
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| gm | when it's up, use that, so it gets cached | 14:46 |
| Spakman_ | How can I remove words from the built-in dictionary? | 14:46 |
| gm | saving your passwords, is it? | 14:47 |
| Spakman_ | gm: :) | 14:47 |
| flip^ | aww, simplelauncher transparency doesn't work on os2008 :( | 14:47 |
| gm | haha, how'd i guess, that's what 99% of people who ask that question have found | 14:47 |
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| gm | i don't know either... | 14:48 |
| Spakman_ | gm: got an annoyin mis-type that I need to get rid of too | 14:48 |
| gm | heh | 14:48 |
| Khertan_TheReal | someone can help me setting windows to do network by usb ? | 14:49 |
| guardian | thx gm | 14:50 |
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| Tykc | hello! | 15:00 |
| timeless | so, i learned something a moment ago | 15:00 |
| timeless | ah yes | 15:00 |
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| timeless | the correct way to complain about the lack of availability for tablets-dev is indeed to call Nokia Care services | 15:01 |
| gm | well, if we all do that, we might break their phone system :) | 15:03 |
| timeless | http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410063#N95 is the usa contact information | 15:03 |
| sp3000 | two in one! | 15:03 |
| timeless | gm: fine by me :) | 15:03 |
| gm | :P | 15:03 |
| timeless | http://www.nokia.com/A4126576 is the global link | 15:03 |
| timeless | seriously, please find the local / free number and call to complain (make sure you complain while there's a problem) | 15:03 |
| * gm fires up Gizmo | 15:03 | |
| timeless | gm: are you really in a place where there isn't a local number? | 15:04 |
| timeless | nokia care from what i've seen is fairly distributed, and should cover at least all markets where the devices are sold | 15:04 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm expecting a more technical announcement on the other front | 15:04 |
| gm | no, i'm not in a place where there isn't a local number, but my n800 is close at hand (in hand) and the phone isn't | 15:05 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | grrrrr | 15:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | windows sucks ! | 15:05 |
| gm | it took tat long to figure that out :P | 15:05 |
| Tykc | :-) | 15:05 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | i ve no choice at work | 15:06 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | i can't make usb network between windows and my n800 | 15:06 |
| timeless | gm: wow | 15:06 |
| Tykc | May be VirtualBox? | 15:06 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and i don't understand why | 15:06 |
| timeless | Khertan_TheReal: i thought someone claimed to have a way to make that work | 15:06 |
| Tykc | use VirtualBox | 15:07 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve see instruction on maemo.org | 15:09 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | but windaube doesn't want to activate the connection | 15:09 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | and say nothing else that error ... | 15:09 |
| Khertan_TheReal | no error report | 15:09 |
| Khertan_TheReal | no logs ... | 15:09 |
| Khertan_TheReal | this "pseudo" operating system really sucks ! | 15:10 |
| Tykc | may be use VirtualBox or VMware? | 15:10 |
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| gm | hmmm, what package is hildon-program.h in? | 15:11 |
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| dpb_ | gm: libhildon1-dev | 15:14 |
| gm | haha, found it myself the exact second | 15:15 |
| gm | thanks :) | 15:15 |
| giskard | hey guys no news about the activation of the discount code? | 15:15 |
| dpb_ | np :) | 15:16 |
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| gm | libgconf2-dev: Depends: libdbus-glib-1-dev (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed | 15:19 |
| gm | ahh, dependency hell, how i missed it | 15:19 |
| gm | time to break out the old --force-* | 15:19 |
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| gm | that is when repository.maemo.org is up again... was up ~15 mins ago | 15:20 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Tykc > with wmware, windows take control before of the n800 | 15:29 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and i can't use network by usb with the image | 15:29 |
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| Tykc | did u try VirtualBox? | 15:30 |
| gm | grab an ubuntu livecd | 15:30 |
| gm | or better still, install ubuntu | 15:30 |
| Tykc | yep | 15:32 |
| Tykc | or better Gentoo | 15:32 |
| Tykc | from stage0 | 15:33 |
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| gm | haha | 15:33 |
| Tykc | :-) | 15:33 |
| Tykc | ;-) | 15:34 |
| gm | i'd rather not have the system out of date before it's installed :P | 15:34 |
| Tykc | ) | 15:34 |
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| gm | no eyes? | 15:35 |
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| Tykc | :-) | 15:35 |
| gm | ... then again, my smilies lack noses :P | 15:35 |
| Tykc | :-D | 15:36 |
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| gm | alright, when this is hildonized and i can actually take it from the foreground it will be rather cool | 15:36 |
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| guerby | anyone mirroring libgdm3 somewhere? | 15:41 |
| guerby | grumble repository.maemo.org grumble | 15:41 |
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| gm | i do hope nokia get somewhere on fixing the fscking thing | 15:43 |
| ph|ber | m0o | 15:45 |
| hahlo | In my sb2 has deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free repository but apt-get update doesn't get anything from that address, is it correct? | 15:46 |
| hahlo | what repository I should add to get apt working? | 15:47 |
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| dpb_ | hahlo: the repository is haven't problems atm, try again in a few hours/days. | 15:47 |
| gm | yep, that's correct | 15:47 |
| hahlo | ah, ok | 15:48 |
| gm | the repository is screwed, just keep trying, you occasionally get through | 15:48 |
| gm | if you're desperate for packages, curl with a long timeout works occasionally | 15:48 |
| hahlo | ok, if they get it up I should download whole repository on my pc | 15:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tykc > i ll do it at home on my lfs ... | 15:49 |
| dpb_ | (people should stop suggesting keeping trying.. it would be working again sooner if all the people stopped doing that..) | 15:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol dpb_ :) | 15:49 |
| kulve | people should set up scripts to bang it. Nokia has no excuse for such a lame service.. | 15:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i should make a script that change the apt-get update time in application manager ... | 15:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and make it public | 15:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | with a timeout of 30s :) | 15:50 |
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| dpb_ | kulve: true, lets do that then. | 15:51 |
| kulve | dpb_: that might be illegal, so.. :) | 15:52 |
| kulve | I'll just wait and curse | 15:52 |
| gm | heh, it would be working right now if nobody accesses it | 15:52 |
| kulve | gm: how would you know that? | 15:52 |
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| kulve | if nobody could try it.. | 15:53 |
| gm | if a tree falls in the forest, does it still make any noise | 15:53 |
| gm | yes, you got me there :) | 15:53 |
| gm | repository.maemo.org | 15:53 |
| gm | whoops | 15:54 |
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| gm | alright, my n800 is stuck in a dependency mess | 15:54 |
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| gm | time to break out the --force when the repository is back up... | 15:55 |
| gm | i wonder how big the whole repository is | 15:57 |
| tigert | ok, some news on the download stuff is that they're trying to work out the issue | 15:57 |
| tigert | something borked in the caching setup or such I hear | 15:57 |
| ph|ber | anyone got conola installed on the 810? | 15:57 |
| gm | openwrt was good becuase the whole repository was only 50mb, so you could easily locally mirror the whole thing | 15:57 |
| gm | (embedded linux stuff for routers etc, designed to run on devices with low storage) | 15:58 |
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| guerby | tigert, thx for the news | 16:03 |
| ph|ber | anyone? | 16:03 |
| guerby | ph|ber, not me :) | 16:04 |
| guerby | gm, I'm going to read the apt-mirror man page one of these days, this is not the first time maemo.org has issues | 16:04 |
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| dpb_ | is it legal to redistribute nokia's closed source packages from other repos? | 16:06 |
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| vegai | have any finns gotten their discount n810 yet? | 16:10 |
| dpb_ | don't think so | 16:10 |
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| vegai | just noticed that verkkokauppa.com has a few in stock. I wonder why the official shops don't | 16:10 |
| vegai | they got their first batch on 14th already | 16:11 |
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| dpb_ | well, has anyone anywhere gotten the discount device yet? | 16:11 |
| bedboi | is repository.maemo.org still down? | 16:13 |
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| dpb_ | it's never really been "down", just extremely slow | 16:13 |
| dpb_ | and yes, still is. | 16:13 |
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| vegai | maemo.org seems a bit downish too | 16:14 |
| *** tigert changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | os2008 download still slow - it's being worked on" | 16:14 | |
| * flip^ sighs at the maemo rss reader... the os2007 one didn't have scrollbars, but the os2008 has huge great gabs between stories ... can't they just get it right, or make it customisable :( | 16:16 | |
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| lardman | I suppose the gaps are so you can use your fingers | 16:16 |
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| ph|ber | http://slackwaresupport.com/RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:16 |
| lardman | shame they got rid of the first few lines of the story, that was a quick way to see if you wanted to read further | 16:16 |
| cy3o3 | sup | 16:18 |
| cy3o3 | Is it work upgrading to OS2008 on the n800 ? hmm | 16:19 |
| cy3o3 | I guess as long as everything still works I'm down heh | 16:19 |
| flip^ | most things still work | 16:19 |
| flip^ | it's still a bit of a fight to get past nokia's bandwidth issues for the update and application repositories though, i think | 16:20 |
| cy3o3 | hmm | 16:20 |
| cy3o3 | any idea if kismet works? | 16:20 |
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| chandler | while I admire Nokia's dedication to dogfood, running their web site over an N800 tethered to a GPRS connection may not have been the smartest idea | 16:26 |
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| gm | heh | 16:27 |
| Khertan_TheReal | chandler > lol ... say this 2 or 3 hours before :) | 16:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | maybe they should try 3G+ phone with an n810 | 16:28 |
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| FMZ|afk | =/ My n800 won't start. | 16:47 |
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| FMZ | Umm.. this isn't good. | 16:48 |
| FMZ | I hold the start button until the screen says "Nokia"... then I let go. The screen dims, and then after a second or 2 it switches off. | 16:48 |
| FMZ | Start = power | 16:49 |
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| mgedmin | battery low? | 16:50 |
| FMZ | I just charged it last night... | 16:50 |
| FMZ | Doesn't give me any "low battery" warning. Last night it was fully charged. I switched it on for 5 minutes to show my g/f the new interface, and switched it right back off again. I remember hearing the power-off jingle. | 16:51 |
| cy3o3 | freaking doze doesn't want to recognize my n800 for the OS2008 update :( | 16:51 |
| inz | FMZ, can't say for sure, but it really does sound like battery low situation | 16:51 |
| FMZ | cy3o3: Make sure to follow the "hold the home button" part of the instructions as you turn it on. | 16:52 |
| cy3o3 | Yeah | 16:52 |
| FMZ | Hrmm... guess I'll wait 'til I get home to find out. | 16:52 |
| cy3o3 | I get the USB icon on the screen | 16:52 |
| cy3o3 | wtf | 16:52 |
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| FMZ | cy3o3: Is it recognized at all by Windows? | 16:57 |
| cy3o3 | Newp :( On two different boxes | 16:58 |
| FMZ | Hmm... now that is unusual. Doesn't even recognize as a flash drive? | 16:58 |
| cy3o3 | Nope | 16:58 |
| cy3o3 | Maybe have a hardware problem with my n800 :( | 16:58 |
| FMZ | Are you using the same USB cable it came with? | 16:59 |
| cy3o3 | haven't powered this thing on in months | 16:59 |
| cy3o3 | I have no idea if I'm using the same cable | 16:59 |
| cy3o3 | Is there something special about the cable? | 16:59 |
| FMZ | Might want to try another cable. I don't *think* there is anything special about it, but may as well try to rule the cable out before the tablet ;) | 16:59 |
| cy3o3 | tru dat | 17:00 |
| cy3o3 | well damn, guess this will have to wait :( | 17:00 |
| cy3o3 | only cable I have with me | 17:00 |
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| FMZ | I know the feeling.. heh. Waiting sucks. I gotta wait until I get home to play with my newly updated n800 as the battery seems to be deadeded. | 17:01 |
| cy3o3 | OHH! Found another cable | 17:02 |
| cy3o3 | and look at that | 17:03 |
| cy3o3 | it was the cable | 17:03 |
| cy3o3 | amazing wtf heh | 17:03 |
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| cy3o3 | Update wizard failed tho - "Unsupported device software" | 17:06 |
| cy3o3 | that what the topic is about? | 17:06 |
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| cy3o3 | ahh yeah just can't get the image I guess | 17:08 |
| FMZ | Hmm... | 17:09 |
| FMZ | Not seen that before. | 17:09 |
| chandler | does anyone have a mirror of flasher-3.0 (linux x86)? | 17:11 |
| dpb_ | is it legal to mirror it? <.< | 17:12 |
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| cy3o3 | No network connection - working offline | 17:15 |
| cy3o3 | geeehhh heh | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | you could try 0xFFFF if you're brave: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | ^ that was for chandler | 17:15 |
| chandler | eh. maybe tablets-dev.nokia.com will respond in a minute or two | 17:16 |
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| cy3o3 | chandler: I haven't gotten it to respond for like the last 20-30 mins ;( | 17:16 |
| cy3o3 | woah there it goes tho ! ;) | 17:16 |
| chandler | I got the EULA page a minute ago... | 17:17 |
| cy3o3 | yeah just got the EULA page is all | 17:17 |
| cy3o3 | looks like it doesn't want to do much else :( | 17:17 |
| cy3o3 | An error processing my request! | 17:18 |
| sp3000 | cy3o3: it's been intermittent for about a day... just retry | 17:19 |
| sp3000 | intermittent and slow | 17:19 |
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| cy3o3 | bummer | 17:19 |
| chandler | oo! I found a copy of flasher on another machine | 17:20 |
| chandler | oops. nevermind, no I didn't | 17:23 |
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| dragorn | chandler: hang on | 17:24 |
| cy3o3 | just likes to time out :( | 17:24 |
| cy3o3 | sup dragorn | 17:24 |
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| endorphinum | Hi everyone! | 17:28 |
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| every1 | hi | 17:29 |
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| endorphinum | :) | 17:29 |
| endorphinum | Looks like all people seem to be busy updating to 2008 8) | 17:29 |
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| ph|ber | done with mine. | 17:30 |
| deejoe | or sitting twiddling their thumbs waiting for it to download | 17:30 |
| ph|ber | i have a mirror if you want it. | 17:30 |
| ph|ber | deejoe. | 17:30 |
| adammelancon | Or at least trying to update to 2008, it took me until midnight last night to get python installed | 17:30 |
| endorphinum | ok... maybe i have something for those who are waiting :) | 17:30 |
| deejoe | no, but thank you all the same, ph|ber | 17:31 |
| ph|ber | k | 17:31 |
| endorphinum | You guys want to test out something new on your Maemo and tell me how it looks like? | 17:31 |
| adammelancon | possibly | 17:32 |
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| endorphinum | The first issue of my maemo optimized ezine called ATARASHI is online: http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi/ | 17:33 |
| endorphinum | I would love if someone out there could make a video so that i can see how it works - i do not own a n800 or n180 | 17:34 |
| derf | You know atarashii is spelled with two i's, right? | 17:34 |
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| endorphinum | yes, though i have been japanese for only 2 years by now. i wanted to write it only with one i so that people wont think that it is a Wii ezine *lol* | 17:35 |
| endorphinum | oooops. i mean "i have been learning japanese" .loool. | 17:35 |
| blast007 | hehe | 17:35 |
| endorphinum | I will ask some maemo gadget blogs out there to make a video too, so that i can see how it works and "feels" like. I realy would love to see if the pageflipping with a thumb does work on the maemo. | 17:36 |
| melmoth | /window up | 17:36 |
| melmoth | oups | 17:36 |
| endorphinum | melmoth: what does that mean? | 17:37 |
| melmoth | nothing, i just made a typo | 17:37 |
| endorphinum | *uuff* thanks, i thought i made something wrong ;) | 17:37 |
| endorphinum | is anyone of you guys testing it out on a maemo already? | 17:41 |
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| skibur | hello fellow users | 17:42 |
| endorphinum | Hi there :) | 17:43 |
| skibur | any word on abiword for OS2008? | 17:44 |
| cy3o3 | gehhhh | 17:44 |
| cy3o3 | finally got to the EULA again | 17:44 |
| cy3o3 | gawd | 17:44 |
| derf | I mean, there _is_ a correct way to write it with one i, and that's with a macron: atarashī. | 17:44 |
| chandler | the osso-xterm in the new 2008 still sucks | 17:45 |
| cy3o3 | skibur: word processing on the n800 eh | 17:47 |
| cy3o3 | heh | 17:47 |
| endorphinum | derf: thanks, you are right, maybe i should change that, as the name keeps the same. Have you tried to read it on your maemo? | 17:47 |
| hahlo | any usenet news readers for os2007? tin or pan or something? | 17:49 |
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| tontsa | hahlo, you can search for software from many repos at http://www.gronmayer.com/it | 17:51 |
| cy3o3 | yeesh, finally started grabbing OS2k8 | 17:51 |
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| endorphinum | Hey Tontsa.... can i feature you with that page on the next issue of my ezine? | 17:51 |
| cy3o3 | But I'm on an OC192 and getting 10k/sec :P heh | 17:51 |
| tontsa | endorphinum, not my page really. just a user | 17:51 |
| endorphinum | ah, ok. thanx. | 17:52 |
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| FMZ | cy3o3: I'm coming to visit you. PM me your full address, plzkthx. ;) | 17:52 |
| hahlo | tontsa: tried to do that, haven't found any yet | 17:52 |
| cy3o3 | FMZ: Hehe, at work :P | 17:53 |
| FMZ | I'm fine with that... :D | 17:53 |
| cy3o3 | hehe | 17:53 |
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| hyphn | hi bods | 17:57 |
| tontsa | hahlo, yeah seems bit slim.. there's pan though for 770 :) | 17:59 |
| endorphinum | Tontsa: are you talking to me? | 18:00 |
| tontsa | hahlo, in the beginning assumes i'm talking to nick "hahlo" | 18:01 |
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| hyphn | just trying to connect to an NFS from my N770.... | 18:02 |
| endorphinum | Yeah right, sorry, have not realized that that was a name ;) | 18:02 |
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| hyphn | running it as root, bit it seems that i need a patched kernel or something aswell ? | 18:02 |
| Tak | hmm, gngeo is surprisingly quick on 770 | 18:04 |
| endorphinum | Could anyone please test out my ezine on his or her device? | 18:05 |
| hyphn | @enderphinum what is it? | 18:05 |
| hahlo | tontsa can I build pan for bora? | 18:05 |
| tontsa | hahlo, prolly with some effort | 18:06 |
| endorphinum | hyphn: hyphn: an ezine were i want to present New Stuff. You can view it at http://atarashi.cyberholic.de. It would be awesome if you could check whether it works or not. i do not own a n-series device. | 18:06 |
| adammelancon | I don't trust downloading a zip file from a strange source | 18:07 |
| hyphn | @endorphinum no probs... i have a N770 - checking now | 18:07 |
| endorphinum | Thanks a lot in advance! | 18:07 |
| hahlo | wonder why maemo got so few pacgages comparing to debian | 18:07 |
| adammelancon | No offence, but why not have a link directly to it on your page instead of a zipped file? | 18:07 |
| lardman | In this email: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2004-October/001114.html there's a section about making changes to function oggpack_look(...) to make it run on a DSP. It looks like this chap is using sparse buffers (i.e. only 8bits in each 16bit char) | 18:07 |
| lardman | does it look like that to anyone else? | 18:07 |
| renatofilho | hi guys, Do anybody can give me a link to a example of libalarm use? | 18:07 |
| endorphinum | adammeleancon: you can click on the cover and then it opens directly. The download is only if you want to take it with you. | 18:08 |
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| tontsa | hahlo, maybe you need to compare debian arm-port and maemo port instead of the x86 one | 18:08 |
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| adammelancon | Ah, gotcha, thanks | 18:08 |
| hyphn | @endorphinum erm, that URL is wrong | 18:08 |
| hahlo | tontsa: why, ain't they same source? | 18:09 |
| tontsa | you still need few tweaks here and there to make it really work on maemo | 18:09 |
| tontsa | so lot of effort goes into maintaining the stuff | 18:10 |
| endorphinum | hyphn: a thousand times sorry.... try the direct link at http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi/ | 18:10 |
| dpb_ | and maemo doesn't *need* all the stuff that debian has | 18:10 |
| hahlo | why? | 18:11 |
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| hahlo | you easily can have 4gb or more storage, lot of room to programs | 18:12 |
| dpb_ | Debian also has hundreds of maintainers for packages, Maemo doesn't. | 18:13 |
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| wnd | just because you can doesn't mean you have or even need to | 18:13 |
| hyphn | @endorphinum doesn't seem to load [the flash part] on my N770 | 18:14 |
| wnd | of course if you take it as a challenge it's a different story | 18:14 |
| hyphn | probably because i'm using a stock n770, which comes with flash version 0.0001 (or something) | 18:15 |
| hyphn | why did u choose to do it using flash in the first place? | 18:15 |
| * dpb_ wonders why people use the term 'N770', as there is no such device out there.. only '770'.. | 18:15 | |
| endorphinum | hyphn: as it is 4 Megabytes big it could take a while - is it possible to you to download the zip? I just found one zip tool under the maemo downloads, so i was wondering if zip is supported by maemo.... | 18:15 |
| endorphinum | hyphn: if you test it out on a normal browser you will see that it has a so called "page-flip" effect. This means that you can turn the pages like in real life | 18:16 |
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| endorphinum | ... thats why i have choosen flash :) | 18:16 |
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| hahlo | I accidentally bought n800 cause somebody said that it runs debian system but that is not true | 18:16 |
| hyphn | @dpb_ try googling 770 then try N770 | 18:16 |
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| _berto_ | dpb_: N from Nokia :P | 18:17 |
| hyphn | seen it on a desktop browser, where it works ok | 18:17 |
| _berto_ | (yeah, I know what the official name is) | 18:17 |
| dpb_ | _berto_: then people should use NN800 and NN810.. :) | 18:18 |
| * sp3000 feeds dpb_ to an automatic atm machine | 18:18 | |
| hyphn | the unit itself doesn't have any kind of number/label on it | 18:18 |
| hyphn | perhaps we should just call it the _______ ? | 18:19 |
| shackan | hahlo: but that's not wrong either | 18:19 |
| Fang64 | rofl | 18:19 |
| dpb_ | eek, I'm not automatic food! | 18:19 |
| * zuh often uses NNGGHHH when using my N800, but I guess that doesn't count | 18:19 | |
| mgedmin | hahlo: well, maemo is based on debian | 18:19 |
| hahlo | haven't found even decent browser yet like links2 or dillo | 18:20 |
| shackan | lol.. | 18:20 |
| shackan | hahlo: what does that have to do with debian? | 18:20 |
| hyphn | behind the battery cover... Type: SU-18 Model: 770 | 18:21 |
| _berto_ | dpb_: indeed :D | 18:21 |
| dpb_ | hahlo: you can always port one.. | 18:21 |
| hyphn | SU-18 what's all that about? | 18:21 |
| Tak | download dillo source, run dpkg-buildpackage, enjoy a guinness | 18:21 |
| shackan | Tak: it's not so easy :P | 18:22 |
| dpb_ | shackan: have you tried it? | 18:22 |
| shackan | dpb_: I've tried to build non trivial software, and had to curse every time I had to fetch a dependency by hand | 18:23 |
| Tak | shackan: particularly for me - I have a terrible bottle opener | 18:23 |
| dpb_ | Tak :) | 18:23 |
| zuh | shackan: apt-get build-dep is your friend then... :) | 18:23 |
| zuh | hmm | 18:23 |
| zuh | or not | 18:23 |
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| shackan | zuh: not if the package you depend upon is not among the handful provided by nokia | 18:24 |
| zuh | (if it's not in maemo repos...) | 18:24 |
| zuh | right | 18:24 |
| shackan | exactly | 18:24 |
| tontsa | i'm just happy that someone has built perl for me. that's all i need to be productive | 18:24 |
| dpb_ | you can be productive with perl? :O | 18:24 |
| shackan | tontsa: but I don't obfuscate code for a living :D | 18:24 |
| tontsa | yep. i make lots of money using perl :) | 18:24 |
| tontsa | shackan, it's just brain optimized, not obfuscated :) | 18:25 |
| shackan | tontsa: does this have anything to do with being the only person on earth able to understand and maintain a system you wrote years ago? :D | 18:25 |
| tontsa | nope. my stuff is well documented and got other people too working on the same stuff | 18:26 |
| lardman | derf: do you have experience of the oggpack functions? | 18:26 |
| derf | lardman: Yes. | 18:26 |
| tontsa | you can do bad/obfuscated stuff with any language | 18:26 |
| lardman | derf: looking here for example: http://svn.xiph.org/branches/lowmem-no-byte/Tremor/bitwise.c | 18:26 |
| dpb_ | tontsa: perl leads the way though | 18:27 |
| lardman | derf: assuming a byte is 16bits, I will rpesumably need to remove the 8 and 24bit parts off oggpack_look() | 18:27 |
| tontsa | dpb_, i'g guess on php nowadays since it has 100x more global functions than perl :) | 18:28 |
| tontsa | and random global constants | 18:28 |
| derf | That function certainly seems to be assuming that the bytes are not packed two to a char. | 18:28 |
| derf | And I'm assuming you don't want to waste twice the RAM. | 18:28 |
| lardman | derf: curiously the email from Roland to the mailing list lists that function with no modifications (other than some casts): http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2004-October/001114.html | 18:28 |
| Mikho | Hello, could someone help? I need to create a GtkTreeView model in which there is a column that contains several types of cells, for example images or text. I could consider writing my own GtkCellRenderer, but I'd like to know if it's even possible before I start working | 18:30 |
| derf | "compressed char-buffers" <- sounds like he hadn't gotten that far, yet. | 18:30 |
| lardman | ah yes | 18:30 |
| derf | He apparently was willing to waste twice as much memory. | 18:30 |
| lardman | here's my take on it: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/bitwise.c | 18:31 |
| lardman | must have been a pain to read the data in like that with only 8bits per byte | 18:31 |
| derf | Well, I assume he just unpacked it on the ARM side. | 18:32 |
| derf | Should be a simple for loop, as opposed to completely rewriting the bitpacker. | 18:32 |
| lardman | where's the fun in that?! ;) | 18:32 |
| derf | Yeah, really. | 18:32 |
| lardman | well I've rewritten it, I've got to try it now | 18:33 |
| lardman | going to be some issue with bits in _lookspan() and oggpack_look(), need to sit down and work out how to fix that | 18:34 |
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| hyphn | does anyone know if it is possible to take a complete image of the internal filesystem? | 18:35 |
| hyphn | i want to try out 2007he but want to go back to my existing 2006 if it all goes tits up... | 18:35 |
| milhouse | you mean as you might when cloning the os? | 18:36 |
| hyphn | yes | 18:36 |
| hyphn | (i think)! | 18:36 |
| derf | lardman: The if(...){ ... end+=1;} end=head->length; certainly doesn't look right. | 18:36 |
| milhouse | how did you find this place but manage not to find the dozens of instructions for OS cloning??? | 18:36 |
| milhouse | :) | 18:36 |
| tontsa | i guess hyphn is looking for something like "deflasher" | 18:36 |
| lardman | derf: in _lookspan? | 18:36 |
| derf | lardman: Yes. | 18:37 |
| lardman | derf: ok, I'll have a look at it | 18:37 |
| derf | Why are you incrementing if if you're then assigning to it? | 18:37 |
| lardman | derf: thanks | 18:37 |
| milhouse | if you want to clone your os in really easy steps: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 18:37 |
| lardman | good point, I was just copying from the code above | 18:37 |
| lardman | but _lookspan does something slightly different | 18:37 |
| hyphn | @milhouse groovy - thanks, looking | 18:37 |
| derf | Well, you need to decide if length is the number of bytes or the number of chars in the buffer. | 18:38 |
| lardman | length is 8bit bytes | 18:38 |
| hyphn | @milhouse i keep ending up finding stuff to do with dual booting off of the mmc & all that stuff... this is what i need :-) | 18:39 |
| lardman | derf: home time, should be on later/tomorrow if you have any thoughts | 18:39 |
| derf | Okay, well, in your test in the if() clause, end is always zero, since that's the loop condition. | 18:39 |
| derf | lardman: Okay. | 18:39 |
| lardman | cheers | 18:39 |
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| Tak | pupnik: getting 30fps with samurai shodown on gngeo | 18:44 |
| Tak | on 770 | 18:44 |
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| endorphinum | Tak: how can you check how many fps you have? | 18:45 |
| hahlo | does glxgears work in os2007? | 18:46 |
| Tak | there's an option in this program to display fps | 18:47 |
| Tak | hahlo: no accelerated 3d | 18:47 |
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| pupnik | wow nice | 18:49 |
| pupnik | does it *look* like 30fps? | 18:49 |
| pupnik | i've seen fps counters very off on snes | 18:49 |
| Tak | yeah, it looks like 30fps | 18:51 |
| VRe | Application manager hangs, high depand probably like with the image I suppose | 18:51 |
| Tak | there's some animated fire in the background, and it's really updating quickly | 18:51 |
| pupnik | unscaled, right? | 18:51 |
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| Tak | xsp-scaled to fullscreen | 18:52 |
| pupnik | woohoo | 18:53 |
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| endorphinum | hyphn... are you still there? | 19:08 |
| hyphn | yes | 19:08 |
| ph|ber | is there something special to do to enable the gps on the 810 with maemo mapper?? | 19:08 |
| hyphn | it didn't work on my 770 | 19:08 |
| ph|ber | i have it set to /dev/pgps but says cant. | 19:08 |
| ph|ber | gpsdriver is running. | 19:09 |
| endorphinum | i have put a preloader in front of the file, so that you should - at least - see if there is something happening. | 19:11 |
| endorphinum | It is only now, could you try it again? That would be so awesome! | 19:13 |
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| endorphinum | The link is http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi | 19:13 |
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| lardman | re | 19:13 |
| hyphn | @endorphinum i get the spining circle but not the % progress | 19:14 |
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| hyphn | 770 only has flash version 6 - that might be the problem (?) | 19:15 |
| endorphinum | hyphn: thanks a lot. that should mean that it ain`t the newest flash plugin.... | 19:15 |
| endorphinum | :) | 19:15 |
| gpd | I have got the os2008 image but need flasher3 - anyone have for linux? | 19:15 |
| lardman | derf: I've moved the offending bits+=8 and end+=1 to after the assignment to end, that should then behave more as I want (I think) | 19:16 |
| hyphn | @endorphinum flash is pants on 770 anyway! | 19:16 |
| pupnik | nick reminds me of endurium from the game Star Flight | 19:18 |
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| gpd | If you throw me the flasher3 I can upload the os2008 to my server for faster downloads... :) | 19:19 |
| endorphinum | Hyphn, sorry for not telling that, i thought that it is in there. Thanks a lot | 19:19 |
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| gpd | http://www.pccorner.us/bbttcom/flasher3/flasher-3.0 | 19:21 |
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| hyphn | @endorphinum no probs - cya | 19:22 |
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| L0cutus | any news about cloning to SD the new official os2008 ? | 19:34 |
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| endorphinum | Anyone out there owning a n800 and willing to test out my ezine? | 19:35 |
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| FMZ | endorphinum: If mine were working, I'd happily do it. Battery dead. | 19:44 |
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| FMZ | What's the URL? I'll check it out later. | 19:44 |
| endorphinum | FMZ: Thanks a lot. it is http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi instead of just downloading it, it woulb be great if you could try it out online. But if you want to: download and carrit with you :) | 19:48 |
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| FMZ | Nice... as soon as I get a chance I'll check it out | 19:50 |
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| _Shurik_ | os2008 - I Like! Great Success ( C) Borat | 19:53 |
| Fang64 | lol | 19:54 |
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| _Shurik_ | if only I could figure out why my GPS is not being recognized now | 19:54 |
| _Shurik_ | or I have to use mapper only? | 19:54 |
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| Fang64 | endorphium: that's pretty cool | 19:56 |
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| FMZ | endorphinum: Great idea on the eZine (viewing it on my desktop right now) | 19:58 |
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| Fang64 | yup doing the same here lol | 19:59 |
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| _Shurik_ | so gps, anyone? | 19:59 |
| _Shurik_ | works for you or no? (n800) | 19:59 |
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| tontsa | i might be bored enough to try it soon. i have n810 and also external bt-gps module | 20:00 |
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| ol_schoola | endorphinum: ping? | 20:01 |
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| ol_schoola | endorphinum: Web- atarashi - 800 x 4800 optimized ezine is not responding. Close app? | 20:03 |
| FMZ | endorphinum: A quick navigation (index?) would be helpful, as well as a link to go straight to it. | 20:03 |
| ol_schoola | 4800 is not a typo | 20:03 |
| FMZ | Impressive resolution you got there ol_schoola ;) | 20:04 |
| _Shurik_ | 10 n800s stacked vertically?? :) | 20:04 |
| ol_schoola | not me ;) just what the browser kicked back to me. that would be one TALL tablet | 20:05 |
| L0cutus | FMZ, there is a 'goto page' | 20:05 |
| FMZ | Ahh, I see that now... a link back to it from any page would be very helpful tho. | 20:05 |
| ol_schoola | reloaded, works now. very nice | 20:07 |
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| Thanatermesis | dual boot is supported on 2008 ? i can flash the init menu stuff safely ? | 20:19 |
| ph|ber | whats up with the maemo repo.. | 20:19 |
| ph|ber | slow... at best.. | 20:19 |
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| Tak | hmm - that was actually 30fps with soft-scaling | 20:19 |
| _Shurik_ | I can't even download dbm3 | 20:19 |
| hahlo | why no mirrors? | 20:20 |
| _Shurik_ | probably not enough traffic daily | 20:20 |
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| _Shurik_ | but now everyone is updating | 20:20 |
| _Shurik_ | so might just wait couple of days | 20:20 |
| Thanatermesis | hahlo: because maemo is too lazy to sign packages and now don't have confiance on mirrors :) | 20:21 |
| hahlo | whois maemo.org anyway, nokia? | 20:21 |
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| ol_schoola | _Shurik_: it has BEEN a couple of days. i'm a patient person but this is ridiculous. NOKIA. they are not struggling for capital or operational funds. something is wrong, wrong wrong with the whole maemo thing | 20:23 |
| _Shurik_ | I guess... that's the problem with "free" | 20:23 |
| ol_schoola | maemo is where the open source ppl meet and organize their work. it is run by Nokia ppl that are responsible for thew closed source end of things (i think that's how it goes) | 20:24 |
| * Thanatermesis spank nokia big-fish-boss hard :) | 20:24 | |
| hahlo | it could be political matter too | 20:25 |
| Tak | is that the one where you need the grappling hook? | 20:25 |
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| ol_schoola | i don't think there's anything to stop the open/third-party dfevelopers from just blowing off maemo, using their own lists, get a real trac site going, mediawiki for the wiki -- forget the broke-as-poo enviro they have now, what's it called? | 20:25 |
| hahlo | one of they employee spoke that gsm/gprs chip left out in purpose cause they OS is symbian | 20:26 |
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| Thanatermesis | _Shurik_: no, thats the problem of "enterprises" and comercial interests ;) | 20:26 |
| Tak | why mediawiki if you've already got trac? | 20:26 |
| ol_schoola | Thanatermesis: indeed | 20:27 |
| ol_schoola | trac's wiki blows chunks | 20:27 |
| ol_schoola | take a look at how MythTV organized their online resources | 20:27 |
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| hahlo | rubber boot factory apparently wants people use symbian, not linux | 20:27 |
| _Shurik_ | Thanatermesis: I'm from former USSR, "Enterprises and commercial interests" do work I tell you :) | 20:27 |
| * Tak likes trac's wiki | 20:27 | |
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| _Shurik_ | aa yeah, Paired GPS | 20:28 |
| _Shurik_ | had to take battery out | 20:28 |
| Thanatermesis | haha | 20:28 |
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| ol_schoola | trac's may be fine for some but some of the elders here have already expressed disdain for it, i said mediawiki because it is pretty much universally known, and it works | 20:29 |
| Thanatermesis | well _Shurik_, anyways, if there's more "free" than what is... ppl can made MIRRORs where's no problem to use the repositories | 20:29 |
| Thanatermesis | _Shurik_: since the packages are signed, there's no any reason to worry about anything | 20:30 |
| ol_schoola | Thanatermesis: my original idea was to take EVERYTHING non-official-Nokia and bring it to a new home, not run by Nokia | 20:30 |
| Thanatermesis | ol_schoola: well, this is a problem for that... | 20:31 |
| _Shurik_ | So yes, mirrors would be nice | 20:31 |
| ol_schoola | but by the community, which seems to be VERY eager to provide a better solution | 20:31 |
| Thanatermesis | ol_schoola: if there's not payed workers... who can "lost" his full day on this hobby to finally make a very good READY-to-use system ? :) | 20:31 |
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| Thanatermesis | ol_schoola: everytime, the community is more eager, yes, also since more new users come to the "free happy world" | 20:32 |
| ol_schoola | Thanatermesis: what about all the guys like Dag and Axel that do the Fedora repos? They seem to have managed to work it into their free time. I'm just saying it IS possible | 20:32 |
| hahlo | I think I try mamona if it would be any better | 20:33 |
| ol_schoola | and I refer back to Myth again. totally free/open project. all volunteer. | 20:33 |
| Thanatermesis | Tak: ol_schoola: mediawiki on maemo.org ? nokia got crazy ? lol, if there's blocked servers due to the repositories only... i can't imagine what happens if they install the pretty-bloated mediawiki lol | 20:33 |
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| Thanatermesis | and i agree, Trac wiki r00lz! | 20:33 |
| * Tak agree and ^5 Thanatermesis | 20:33 | |
| Thanatermesis | :) | 20:34 |
| ol_schoola | Thanatermesis: reread what i suggested. | 20:34 |
| Thanatermesis | ol_schoola: well, i don't mean that's not possible, but i don't see ANY system actually in the level of maemo OS, that ready-to-use... i mean, the end-user not needs to open a terminal for any thing, on reality (for example configure the network, lol) | 20:35 |
| hahlo | if mamona is as bad as this os2007/os2008 I give this tablet to fishs | 20:35 |
| ol_schoola | let Nokia handle their official repo as they see fit. all the non-Nokia stuff get's it's own home, not on Nokia network | 20:35 |
| ol_schoola | run by the community | 20:35 |
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| Thanatermesis | anyways, is mamona the only "free alternative" available ? | 20:36 |
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| hahlo | somebody said that openmoko can be run with many diffrent devices, dunno if this rubber tablet thou | 20:38 |
| thoughtfix | Rubber tablet? Huh? ;) | 20:39 |
| birunko | lol | 20:39 |
| Thanatermesis | and how good "ready" is mamona actually ? | 20:40 |
| Thanatermesis | In Brazilian Portuguese Mamona means the castor oil plant | 20:42 |
| Thanatermesis | lol, on spanish (very like to portuguese), means a insult for a girl | 20:42 |
| Tak | hmm, I hadn't heard that one | 20:43 |
| * Tak add "mamona" to vocabulary | 20:43 | |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe | 20:43 |
| birunko | ow god | 20:43 |
| thoughtfix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamona | 20:43 |
| birunko | it again | 20:43 |
| ol_schoola | hmmm, mamona was started by INdT. aren't they part of Nokia? | 20:44 |
| birunko | lol | 20:44 |
| thoughtfix | It's ... beautiful | 20:44 |
| thoughtfix | Nokia and INdT are affiliated but I don't know how much | 20:44 |
| Tak | "...is said to lead one down the wrong path" | 20:44 |
| Tak | what an excellent choice for a project name | 20:44 |
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| _berto_ | yeah, mamona in spanish is an insult | 20:45 |
| Thanatermesis | mamona is a OS or a build-environment ? | 20:45 |
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| aCiDBaSe | (es)mamona -> (pt_BR)boquete | 20:45 |
| andrunko | lol | 20:46 |
| fnordianslip | hi. is the user-inflicted DDOS of maemo.org now over? if, er, my friend was mirroring the n800 binary, should he take it down now? | 20:46 |
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| _berto_ | (es)boquete -> (en)hole | 20:46 |
| Thanatermesis | who DDOS maemo.org ? mr gates ? | 20:46 |
| birunko | aCiDBaSe, portuguese classes? | 20:46 |
| birunko | lol | 20:47 |
| fnordianslip | we did | 20:47 |
| Thanatermesis | mmh, or maybe mr jobs :) | 20:47 |
| aCiDBaSe | (es)boquete -> (pt_BR)buraco | 20:47 |
| fnordianslip | Mr Job helped "my friend" mirror the n800 image on his .mac sever ;-) | 20:48 |
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| Thanatermesis | maybe the iphone's of the world has a ping -f to maemo.org daemon lol | 20:48 |
| Masca | any new on the tickets? | 20:48 |
| fnordianslip | <missing chars blamed on MacBook Pro keyb bug> | 20:48 |
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| vivijim | Thanatermesis: Mamona is an OS that you can use as SDK emulated in your PC. You can use it to compile your code to armv6 but we don't have any maemo compatibility yet... | 20:48 |
| Thanatermesis | fnordianslip: what keys ? | 20:48 |
| thoughtfix | Mmm. haha | 20:48 |
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| _berto_ | aCiDBaSe: buraco is pt_PT too ;) | 20:49 |
| Thanatermesis | vivijim: ok | 20:49 |
| thoughtfix | Why don't we suggest that Nokia release all subsequent software releases AS torrents? | 20:49 |
| fnordianslip | normally the first one i hit when i haven't typed in a while, plus scattered others | 20:49 |
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| aCiDBaSe | _berto_: yes, s/_BR// | 20:50 |
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| Jiten | thoughtfix: it's been suggested and rejected plenty of times. They want some sort of access control. | 20:52 |
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| thoughtfix | Blah | 20:52 |
| Thanatermesis | is not there a way to recompile ALL the debian repository to the maemo "version" ? apt-build maybe ? | 20:52 |
| thoughtfix | Access control? Void the tracker :D | 20:53 |
| fnordianslip | Maybe they should mail out CDs ... | 20:53 |
| inz | Thanatermesis, all of debian, how big of a compile farm do you have? | 20:53 |
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| Jiten | thoughtfix: I mean, currently the people calling the shots at Nokia think they have access control since the most obvious way to get at the files is through a form that requires S/N of n8x0 device to let you download. | 20:54 |
| glass_ | Jiten: they could make their own torrent client.. nokia already has their crappy download manager thingy | 20:54 |
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| glass_ | torrentlike client | 20:54 |
| Thanatermesis | inz: well, my amd64 X2 don't sleep, i can run it on a nice -n 15 maybe :) | 20:54 |
| Thanatermesis | inz: on that way we can have ALL the packages possible to install, abiword, gnumeric, w00t! | 20:55 |
| inz | Thanatermesis, by the time it's finished, Nokia has released ITOS2015 ;) | 20:55 |
| Jiten | Of course, I guess that could be solved by torrenting a password protected zip or something and only giving the password through the S/N form | 20:55 |
| inz | Thana, and all the packages you built would be outdated | 20:55 |
| Thanatermesis | inz: really ? how much time takes that ? | 20:56 |
| inz | Thana, well, not quite that long, but quite long enough anyway | 20:56 |
| Thanatermesis | well, at least we can have packages available :) | 20:56 |
| ph|ber | maemo needs a freakin mirror | 20:56 |
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| Thanatermesis | the problem is, how to do "apt-build world" since the system is other ? | 20:57 |
| Thanatermesis | i mean... the debootstrap is from maemo, but the deb-src is from debian... the dependencies are different, apt-build needs to build first the dependencies, correct ? | 20:57 |
| Thanatermesis | mmh, or use packages from debian, that's not possible ? (maybe a bit ugly) | 20:58 |
| ol_schoola | fnordianslip: i've just begun to notice that on my mbp lately. when did you first start seeing it? | 20:59 |
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| fnordianslip | hmmm. think it was there before leopard, but only had it about 2 weeks before 10.5 came out, and that may have been finger trouble, with me getting used to the keyboard... the very recent update doesn't seem to have fixed it, but that could also be finger trouble | 21:02 |
| ol_schoola | hmm, still running tiger and i see it but just in the last month or so, seems to be when i roust the backlight back to full intensity, it skips a stroke or two | 21:03 |
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| fnordianslip | oesn't seem related to my keyb lights (there we go...notice the missing d) | 21:04 |
| Thanatermesis | ol_schoola: fnordianslip, what keys not works on your mbp ? | 21:05 |
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| fnordianslip | well, all of them work, but not when they are the first char i type in a while | 21:06 |
| Thanatermesis | fnordianslip: ol_schoola, i need to go out of X now, maybe you got interessed on http://www.elivecd.org/Download/MacBook | 21:07 |
| Thanatermesis | see ya | 21:07 |
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| fnordianslip | cheers. i'll have a gander | 21:08 |
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| fnordianslip | hmmm...only 66% geek...must be a mistake | 21:12 |
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| BeBraw | fnordianslip: what's the rest 34%? | 21:17 |
| fnordianslip | idiot, i think. | 21:17 |
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| FMZ | thoughtfix: kudos on the review | 21:30 |
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| thoughtfix | Thank you | 21:31 |
| thoughtfix | the review kicked my ass last night | 21:31 |
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| Tak | damn | 21:41 |
| Tak | pupnik: 40-50 fps with xsp doubling | 21:41 |
| Tak | and it really does seem like that | 21:41 |
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| timelyx | thoughtfix: nokia paid for a mirror network | 22:19 |
| timelyx | specifically akamai as people have noted in some ping traces | 22:19 |
| timelyx | unfortunately some portion of things are misconfigured | 22:20 |
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| thoughtfix | Huh | 22:32 |
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| thoughtfix | Akamai and I have had deals in the past. Bad deals. | 22:32 |
| thoughtfix | If I were to choose a CDN, it'd probably be Limelight | 22:32 |
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| maddler | where the hell is Application Manager supposed to store data about repository? | 22:40 |
| adammelancon | in /etc/apt/ | 22:40 |
| maddler | I tried removing /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon* | 22:40 |
| maddler | but they still show in AppMan... | 22:40 |
| * timelyx frowns | 22:40 | |
| maddler | even after rebooting... | 22:40 |
| adammelancon | might have to refresh after removing | 22:40 |
| timelyx | Nokia continues to own | 22:40 |
| timelyx | the copy of the Software and the physical media contained in the sales | 22:40 |
| timelyx | package and any other copy that You are authorized to make pursuant to | 22:40 |
| timelyx | this Agreement. | 22:40 |
| timelyx | -- | 22:40 |
| adammelancon | refresh your app list | 22:40 |
| timelyx | nokia owns the physical media?? | 22:40 |
| adammelancon | it still has the old cache | 22:41 |
| timelyx | maddler: /etc/app/sources.list ? | 22:41 |
| timelyx | s/app/apt | 22:41 |
| maddler | timelyx: is empty... :) | 22:41 |
| maddler | damn... | 22:42 |
| timelyx | on my device /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list has everything | 22:43 |
| adammelancon | yep, mine too | 22:44 |
| maddler | same here... the point is that I want to remove all existing repositories... | 22:44 |
| adammelancon | after deleting it, you may just have to refresh your application list in application manager | 22:44 |
| adammelancon | or type in apt-get update at the command line | 22:44 |
| timelyx | apt-get update :) | 22:44 |
| maddler | *but* if I remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list repos keep showing in App Manager :) | 22:44 |
| maddler | let's try | 22:44 |
| adammelancon | yes, because you didn't refresh your cache yet | 22:45 |
| adammelancon | just a guess though | 22:45 |
| maddler | noway! | 22:45 |
| maddler | still there after apt-get update | 22:45 |
| maddler | it seems to me like there is no direct link between /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 22:46 |
| maddler | and repositories shown in app manager | 22:46 |
| timelyx | strace :) | 22:47 |
| timelyx | or read the code | 22:47 |
| maddler | even IF when you refresh application list hildon*.list is being used... | 22:47 |
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| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ | 22:47 |
| maddler | timelyx: hehe | 22:48 |
| maddler | :) | 22:48 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=%2Fetc%2Fapt&find=application-manager.*%2Fsrc%2F&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=chinook | 22:48 |
| maddler | strange behaviour... | 22:48 |
| maddler | I deleted /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 22:48 |
| maddler | then changed a repo from within App Manager | 22:49 |
| maddler | and... tadaaaaaa... /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is back! | 22:49 |
| maddler | so... yes... App Man stores repositories infos somewhere else... and write to hindon-application-manager.list | 22:49 |
| maddler | but it doesn't read from it... | 22:49 |
| thoughtfix | mmm | 22:50 |
| maddler | so... this basically means I cannot change repositories from command line... :| | 22:50 |
| thoughtfix | I'm getting to the point where I NEED an N810 | 22:50 |
| adammelancon | probably either in /proc or /tmp | 22:50 |
| maddler | odd behaviour from my point of view :D | 22:50 |
| adammelancon | you should be able to edit hildon-application-manager.list | 22:50 |
| maddler | thoughtfix: don't tell that to me... :) | 22:50 |
| maddler | adammelancon: I am... | 22:50 |
| thoughtfix | Heh. | 22:51 |
| thoughtfix | Well | 22:51 |
| thoughtfix | More blogging to be done | 22:51 |
| maddler | but changes won't actually reflect in APp Manager configuration... :) | 22:51 |
| maddler | hehehe... true... true... | 22:51 |
| cosmo_ | colleague bought 810 this week.. hopefully i get to play with it tomorrow | 22:51 |
| adammelancon | i think i backed mine up manually and restored it and it work... from what I can remember | 22:51 |
| adammelancon | hummm | 22:51 |
| maddler | thoughtfix: sounds like I'll have to wait until Jan 10th... :( | 22:52 |
| cosmo_ | it mighth be that i also NEED one after that ;) | 22:52 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/src/confutils.h#33 | 22:52 |
| timelyx | 31 /* The file where we store our catalogues for ourselves. | 22:52 |
| timelyx | 32 */ | 22:52 |
| timelyx | 33 #define CATALOGUE_CONF "/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues" | 22:52 |
| timelyx | time it took to read: not ery long | 22:52 |
| adammelancon | well... there you go | 22:52 |
| maddler | timelyx: yup... | 22:52 |
| maddler | it's an XML file... | 22:53 |
| timelyx | not my problem :) | 22:54 |
| timelyx | but please take advantage of the cross reference | 22:54 |
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| maddler | timelyx: sorry... can't get what you mean... :) | 22:54 |
| maddler | (my english sometimes fails) | 22:54 |
| timelyx | see url in topic for mxr-test/chinook | 22:55 |
| timelyx | it has all the sources for the open components of chinook | 22:55 |
| timelyx | and there are also sources for other arrangements | 22:55 |
| maddler | oh... sorry... | 22:55 |
| maddler | wasn't showing here... | 22:55 |
| timelyx | if you want to know how something in chiinook works, it's a lot easier to search/read | 22:55 |
| maddler | irss on console... :) | 22:55 |
| timelyx | than asking | 22:55 |
| timelyx | um... the topic was changed recently... and it's been there for a while :) | 22:56 |
| timelyx | anyway, now you know | 22:57 |
| timelyx | hrm... sp3000 / thoughtfix... if i read this license correctly | 22:57 |
| timelyx | you aren't allowed to take a downloaded version of the os and install it on more than one device :) | 22:58 |
| p| | re | 22:58 |
| maddler | yep... my fault... but I leave my irssi connection always on... :) | 22:59 |
| * timeless too | 23:00 | |
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| sp3000 | my irssi comes with a fan in my bedroom | 23:01 |
| * sp3000 should use a nit for a home server :P | 23:01 | |
| thoughtfix | Hahah | 23:01 |
| sp3000 | timeless: I guess you need to download another copy for that :P | 23:02 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: yep | 23:08 |
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| Tak | oh yeah - now I just need some images for buttons | 23:23 |
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| thoughtfix | Shh that's him! | 23:30 |
| * |R was hoping for the good news today... maybe tomorrow :P | 23:31 | |
| thoughtfix | Which goodnews? | 23:31 |
| |R | activated developer n810's coupon | 23:32 |
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| |R | I was hoping to get it before christmas... oh well | 23:33 |
| maddler | |R: same... | 23:33 |
| |R | If i can have it before new year eves that's fine too ;) | 23:33 |
| maddler | I'll have to wait until january... when I'll be back from holidays | 23:33 |
| thoughtfix | I don't have a developer coupon as I am not a developer - When I sent back my prerelease N810, I was told I'd get a production N810 eventually. Hope it arrives before CES or I'll have to buy/borrow one for the event. | 23:34 |
| |R | hehe :) | 23:34 |
| |R | Well, if you get it free, that's an even better deal :) | 23:34 |
| thoughtfix | Right... IF ;) | 23:37 |
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| dragorn | thoughtfix: if you're near NYC, the flagship store has had them fairly consistently | 23:42 |
| skibur | hello people | 23:42 |
| skibur | I just installed pidgin on my computer | 23:42 |
| skibur | its nice | 23:42 |
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| * |R is going to order pizza and fix his n800 ... | 23:46 | |
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| thoughtfix | I'm in Phoenix :( | 23:48 |
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| maddler | thoughtfix: I can send some pizza anyway... :) | 23:48 |
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| acydlord | I'm gonna miss ces this year :( | 23:53 |
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| |R | how interesting is it? | 23:54 |
| |R | the only time i went to vegas was for Defcon... | 23:55 |
| acydlord | i havent been to defcon in a few years, depressing | 23:55 |
| acydlord | i liked ces when i went 2 years ago | 23:55 |
| |R | defcon was 2002 i think for me | 23:55 |
| |R | but i'm far up in the north east ;) | 23:56 |
| mmiller | I don't like going to CES due to the AES going on at the same time.. | 23:56 |
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