IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-12-18

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doc\|home	skibur: abiword can I think	00:04
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sgehrman	FM Radio in n810 doesn't do anything	00:09
sgehrman	is it suppose to work?	00:09
derf	I thought the N810 didn't have an FM tuner.	00:10
sgehrman	not sure, but the applet is included	00:10
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sgehrman	its the second applet in the list of installed stuff. It would be strange to include it but to not have a chip right?	00:12
derf	Yes. I agree that would be strange.	00:12
Vulc\|Bleh	its probably included in OS2008 final	00:12
halley	The N810 does not have FM hardware.	00:12
Vulc\|Bleh	It'd be in there for the n800, and they just didn't remove it for the 810	00:12
youam	anyone know about the status of the pimlico tools for os2008?	00:13
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diver_x	hi, is there a way to get or build a kernel module for mppe without flashing the n800 again ? i'm using os2008	00:35
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skibur	abiword?	00:36
skibur	is there a .deb for abiword for OS2008?	00:36
skibur	Wow! Otopia for N800?	00:37
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halley	apt-get often hangs after 'gzip' on chinook/free for some reason; then when I bail it has dupe entries in sources.list to clean up	00:39
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halley	Disconnect has a problem.	00:41
halley	"What we have here is a failure to communicate."	00:41
Fang64	lol	00:41
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skibur	hacking is all I know	00:52
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killfill	hi guys	00:54
killfill	the "mediastreamer" should see daapd servers, right?	00:54
killfill	or just upnp's?	00:54
killfill	anyone?.. :)	00:56
dev	killfill: afaik only upnp	00:56
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killfill	:S	00:57
killfill	whats a daap client (except for canola)	00:57
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killfill	my upnp server is a little buggy..	00:58
killfill	(mediatomb)	00:58
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killfill	whats up with canol2 anyway?.. :P	00:58
killfill	any news?	00:58
dev	killfill: mine works, but mediatomb should be fine too	00:59
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killfill	its a bug with freebsd or something.. it telling something about the swap..	01:00
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penguinbait	its next week, them codes work yet??? :)	02:16
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lopz	hola	02:55
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czr	hey alterego & all	03:29
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alterego	Hey czr enjoying your holiday?	03:38
czr	alterego, yup. although today was slightly cold	03:38
czr	got sun-burned the very first day, just my luck :-)	03:38
* czr looked like a small little piggie		03:38
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czr	alterego, hows things over here?	03:39
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* czr continues relaxing ->		04:01
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Esworp	so, what is scratchbox exactly?	04:13
dragorn	a mix of an emulator, the compilers, and a development environment.	04:14
dragorn	lets you run (most) of the maemo dev as if it were on a device	04:14
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Esworp	ahhhh.	04:15
alterego	It's a cross platform development environment.	04:15
alterego	It's used for building customized linux root filesystems and applications for other architectures.	04:15
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Esworp	i use the gpe caleendar and todo a LOT. can i expect it to work w/os2008? wasn't it going to get updated?	04:16
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kaie	it's unfortunate that device flashing will not reinstall all the apps. how do the maemo developers solve that problem, who probably flash their device all the time?	04:30
kaie	is there a batch-like mechanism that can be used to reinstall all the apps you want? I guess the answer is to login via ssh and do it from the shell via apt-get...	04:31
kaie	( s/device flashing will not/data restore after device flashing/	04:31
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Esworp	i /think/ you can use rsync to basically image things- but as i type that i could imagine that that wouldn't work in the case of a os change.	04:38
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Esworp	ohoh, i got a question about videocenter...	04:42
Esworp	how do you add channels/services? the nokia-provided selection is a little paltry	04:44
unique311	video center available for os2008?	04:47
Esworp	dunno. but it's underutilized in general.	04:51
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lopz	bye	05:31
zerojay	Esworp: I've been working on my own selection for single-click adding of podcasts and videocasts to Video Center.	05:33
zerojay	Waiting for a 2008 version.	05:33
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pupnik	/lastlog code	06:16
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\|R	can anybody summarize the Nokia Open Source License?	06:24
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rhykin	if you're using the n800	06:56
rhykin	can you upgrade to 2008	06:56
rhykin	then back to 2007	06:56
rhykin	or is the hardware change by 2008 going to affect it from downgrading	06:56
rhykin	and does anyone know ifthe hardware unclock will stay in place	06:57
rhykin	unlock*	06:57
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pupnik	you can downgrade	06:59
pupnik	no hardware change, all software	06:59
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ds3	is there a working program that will let me send and receive SMS's with a bluetooth capable phone on either the 770 or N800?	07:07
ds3	found one but the comments suggest it doesn't work well	07:07
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tontsa	doesn't gnokii work just fine, atleast for sending	07:08
rhykin	ds3: phonelink	07:08
rhykin	?	07:08
ds3	think thats the one	07:12
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sarower	hi	07:28
sarower	is there any calendar application for N800?	07:28
pupnik_	yes GPE?	07:29
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sarower	pupnik_: how i can install it in my device.?	07:29
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sarower	is there any calendar application for N800?	07:55
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sarower	how i can install it in the device?	08:02
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sarower	hello......	08:09
sarower	is not there...!	08:09
sarower	is there any calendar application for N800?	08:09
sarower	how i can install it in the device?	08:09
sarower	any body please..!	08:10
unique311	lol	08:10
unique311	application manager	08:10
unique311	google can help ya with that.	08:10
unique311	google maemo gpe	08:11
sarower	<unique311> but there is a .install file only	08:11
sarower	will it work?	08:12
sarower	<unique311>	08:12
sarower	?	08:12
unique311	yes	08:12
sarower	i just double click on it..?	08:12
sarower	<unique311>	08:12
sarower	?	08:12
unique311	open the link where the .install file is on the N800s webbrowser	08:12
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unique311	.install files only work from the devices browser	08:13
sarower	I have already downlooaded it in the Pc	08:13
unique311	no go	08:13
sarower	Then transfered it in the device	08:13
unique311	never did it that route..not sure it will work	08:14
sarower	now if i click on it.. will it work?	08:14
unique311	not sure	08:14
unique311	give it a try	08:14
sarower	sure........	08:14
sarower	Thanx a lot	08:14
sarower	<unique311>!	08:14
unique311	np	08:14
unique311	another way	08:14
sarower	yah	08:14
pupnik	unique311: do you remember what kind of fps you got with desmume?	08:14
unique311	is to open the .install file in word or notepad	08:15
unique311	10 max	08:15
sarower	yah then..?	08:15
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unique311	open app manager and add the repo links to app manager	08:15
sarower	hmm.....	08:15
unique311	when you open the .install file you should see the repo links	08:15
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sarower	ok thank you..	08:16
unique311	hope i was clear....sometimes i confuse myself.	08:16
unique311	pupnik, you can get it higher than 10 i think	08:16
unique311	just the screen was way to small.	08:17
unique311	and i only got a couple of homebrew apps going	08:17
pupnik	ok	08:18
unique311	you know how small garnet vm screen is	08:18
unique311	desmume is smaller than that.	08:19
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unique311	let me know if you get it to compile...i tried to get it compiled for chinook, but didn't get anywhere.	08:19
pupnik	:/ i got it to compile but i don't remember how	08:20
unique311	remove the gl stuff	08:20
pupnik	yeh	08:20
unique311	i think thats how i did it for bora	08:20
pupnik	i'm not interested in it though. tak was just asking about it	08:20
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unique311	what about neopop, had sonic the hedgehog going at 25fps on it.	08:22
pupnik	wow	08:23
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unique311	if you can get pass the segfaults for the chinook compile, i think you will have descent game emu.	08:25
pupnik	i totally missed out on neopop	08:26
pupnik	do you have a tarball of a built neopop?	08:26
pupnik	i see here	08:27
pupnik	NeoPop is a NeoGeo Pocket Color emulator for the Nintendo GameCube. Currently, it is only available in source code form so you must compile it yourself.	08:27
pupnik	ahh	08:27
unique311	http://www.nih.at/NeoPop-SDL/	08:27
unique311	mind you i gave it a go the other day, and only ended up with segfaults...not sure what i'm doing wrong. (chinook)	08:28
L0cutus	buongiorno	08:29
L0cutus	what is the problem with bluez-utils ?	08:29
L0cutus	i'm unable to upgrade it	08:30
L0cutus	from comman line it claim want to remove osso_software_version :-O	08:30
L0cutus	s/comman/command/	08:30
infobot	L0cutus meant: from command line it claim want to remove osso_software_version :-O	08:30
unique311	pupnik here's how sonic look, don't be fooled by the screenshots on the neopop link	08:30
unique311	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADK_3FONefs	08:30
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pupnik	looks great :)	08:32
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pupnik	"A whole range of new apps might be 2008 compatible now that they have improved gtk to 2.10.? + cairo."	08:47
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unique311	pupnik, i got it to work	08:59
unique311	just needed to run it with a certain flag	08:59
pupnik	the cli version?	08:59
unique311	sdl	08:59
unique311	ran in in silent mode.	08:59
unique311	which is -S	09:00
unique311	and it runs	09:00
unique311	51 fps with no game loaded.	09:00
unique311	sonic at 35fps max	09:01
pupnik	nice	09:01
unique311	not bad at all	09:01
pupnik	wow	09:01
pupnik	this is neopop?	09:01
unique311	yes	09:01
pupnik	U want me to host it?	09:02
unique311	need to change some stuff in the source to get a bigger screen.	09:02
pupnik	ok give link pls when you do, source/bin	09:02
unique311	let me mess with it some more.	09:02
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sciboy	Dang, going to have to return this BT keyboard. =(	09:04
unique311	n810 will not have any issues with it...slide keyboard	09:04
unique311	but n800 and 770 users will have problems i think.	09:04
sciboy	It paired but I don't think OS2008 is actually recognising it as a keyboard, just some anonymous device.	09:04
pupnik	this the $39 thing sciboy ?	09:05
sciboy	No, $190	09:05
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sciboy	The mac wireless keyboard is bluetooth right?	09:06
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konttori	morning	09:13
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limepi	wait, neopop?~	09:18
limepi	!!?@? awesome	09:18
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sciboy	Yep, seems I'll probably grab the apple wireless keyboard and be done with it.	09:22
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* konttori has also been considering apple wless		09:31
sciboy	I'm not just considering it, fact is it's the only practical one available in my area.	09:32
sciboy	I was hoping for portable/fold-away, but that idea flopped since they're just too hard to come by, and they aren't as stable.	09:32
sciboy	Once I return this POS, I'll go grab one.	09:33
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\|R	wth is this nokia 8800 at 1500$ i see on eBay?! :P	09:34
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limepi	hmm	09:34
limepi	I considered the apple keyboard	09:34
limepi	but I have a fabric one. it just doesn't work :(	09:35
sciboy	Oh _that_ fabric one.	09:35
sciboy	I avoided it since I want something I could use on my lap.	09:35
sciboy	Plus, I'm addicted to keys that click.	09:36
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* timely ponders		10:28
timely	sp3000?	10:29
timely	suppose itos didn't have application manager	10:29
timely	would it be possible to treat the tablet as something that could be safely given to untrusted people	10:29
timely	(basically just a web browser)	10:29
celesteh	untrusted like they might stuff it in a pocket and wander off?	10:30
timely	http://europe.nokia.com/8800sirocco	10:30
timely	celesteh: more like i don't want them changing the system configuration	10:30
celesteh	amy physical access to any machine gives the user access to break in to it	10:30
sp3000	hm	10:31
timely	clearly ICD settings would need to be locked down	10:31
timely	and about:config	10:31
timely	otherwise someone could set a proxy and snoop	10:31
sp3000	without rd mode you can't install stuff from privileged documents I suppose	10:31
sp3000	s/rd mode/root access setup/	10:32
infobot	sp3000 meant: without root access setup you can't install stuff from privileged documents I suppose	10:32
fatal-	does osso or anything else provide an service to play a "beep", ie a notification sound?	10:34
timely	echo ^G doesn't work? :)	10:35
hahlo	I did steps like topic said, but last step didn't work: sb2-init -m maemo maemo $HOME/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-linux-gcc	10:36
fatal-	err...	10:36
hahlo	/usr/bin/sb2-init: illegal option -- m	10:36
hahlo	why is that?	10:37
timely	wow, short topic	10:37
lle2	hahlo: which version of sb2 you have?	10:37
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timely	lle2: you want the topic all to yourself?	10:37
lle2	timely: no :)	10:38
lle2	timely: I originally intended not to hijack it completely, but pressed enter accidentally before completing it	10:39
hahlo	lle2: 1.99.0.19	10:39
lle2	hahlo: too old :)	10:39
hahlo	lle2: where I get newer? I follow instructions and install it with apt-get	10:40
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lle2	hahlo: yup, sorry for jumping the gun a bit with the instructions, but I wanted to get them out before the holidays	10:41
lle2	hahlo: at the moment you need to build it yourself	10:41
lle2	it's not hard	10:41
lle2	the top part of the non-debian guide describes how	10:41
lle2	just uninstall the version that you have now	10:41
hahlo	lle2: ok, thanks	10:41
lle2	leave qemu though, that should be fine	10:42
hahlo	ok	10:42
lle2	hahlo: are you on a 32bit host?	10:44
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hahlo	lle2: yes and I build newer sb2 but still older is in use despite make install went through	10:51
lle2	hahlo: could you uninstall the older one?	10:51
hahlo	I try	10:51
lle2	and add the new one to the path, $HOME/scratchbox2/bin, if you followed the instructions	10:52
hahlo	I followed this: Partial Step by Step Guide for non-Debian i386 Hosts	10:52
lle2	yup	10:52
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Zekquel	hello, anybody using maemo online ?	10:54
timely	?	10:59
Zekquel	i need someone that knows maemo well to help me use it on an arm-based linux	10:59
Zekquel	i have this: http://www.arcom.com/pxa270-xscale-zeus.htm with a touchscreen-lcd and i want to be able to use maemo and maemo applications with it	11:00
lle2	that's not trivial	11:00
timely	"development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets \| http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| http://www.gronmayer.com/it \| http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook	11:01
*** timely changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets \| http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| http://www.gronmayer.com/it \| http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook"		11:01
lle2	yay!	11:01
timely	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=changes+topic+to	11:01
timely	in case you need to fix something in the future :)	11:01
lle2	although I think we should try to make it short	11:02
lle2	er	11:04
lle2	and have a rotation policy for the first 30 characters, so that it can be used effectively for advertising new stuff	11:04
Zekquel	i thought that if it is an open-source platform, someone may have ported it .. not really port	11:04
Zekquel	i run an arm-based linux, exactly as nokia internet tables do	11:04
lle2	yeah, on an xscale	11:04
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Zekquel	yes	11:04
timely	explaining what maemo is requires a PhD	11:04
* timely doesn't have one		11:04
lle2	last I checked xscale was bigendian	11:04
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Zekquel	i kind of know what maemo is	11:05
* pupnik has a foggy idea		11:05
Zekquel	maemo is a set of libraries ( sorry for my bad english )	11:05
unique311	pupnik, mapped a couple of keys, messed with the source and got it fullscreen.	11:05
timely	Zekquel: i'm not sure i could find two people at Nokia who could agree as to what maemo is	11:05
lle2	maemo is a process, a metaphore, a state of mind	11:05
pupnik	coool :)	11:05
unique311	uploading a quick video	11:05
unique311	looks pretty cool	11:05
unique311	i'll send you the source code, and the bin in a minute	11:06
timely	Zekquel: i suspect i could probably get even 5 people to agree to my statement :)	11:06
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unique311	you can hack away at it a little more.	11:06
pupnik	will you make a post on ITT?	11:06
Zekquel	yes timely, but i have a certain true in my statement that maemo is a set of libraies	11:06
lle2	Zekquel: it's definitely a non-trivial thing to port maemo to your hw	11:06
unique311	not sure..	11:06
Zekquel	define non-trivial lle2	11:07
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Zekquel	( sorry for my bad english again )	11:07
lle2	something that I would not do in my freetime	11:07
unique311	you can if you want...if i release it on itt they'll want me to do more work to it.. :)	11:07
unique311	lazy	11:07
timely	Zekquel: well, does maemo include a kernel? because that isn't a library	11:07
lle2	and I hack sb2 as a hobby, so that should put it in perspective	11:07
timely	and does maemo include binaries? because those aren't libraries :)	11:07
syntux	how's OS2008 with N800 so far?	11:08
timely	and each release has a different set of libraries	11:08
Zekquel	lle2, you are right, but i was asking if someone did this before, so i won't have to study it from scratch	11:08
Zekquel	or if nokia provides enough docs to help me start porting	11:08
lle2	Zekquel: as far as I know most of the maemo cruft is in openembedded	11:08
Zekquel	you see.. it's not really porting	11:08
lle2	that supports xscale targets	11:08
Zekquel	porting means to rewrite a program from an architecture to another, from an OS to another	11:09
Zekquel	and in our case the os is the same	11:09
lle2	use openembedded if you want to have results this decade	11:09
hahlo	lle2: export $HOME/scratchbox2/bin said bash: export: `/home/hahlo/scratchbox2/bin': not a valid identifier	11:09
lle2	hahlo: you should do export PATH=$HOME/scratchbox2/bin:$PATH	11:10
hahlo	ah'	11:10
Zekquel	lle2 let me see what is openembedded	11:10
lle2	openembbeded.org tells everything	11:11
Zekquel	yes, i am now browsing it	11:11
hahlo	now sb2 -v gives 1.99.0.22	11:11
lle2	hahlo: since you're on a debian system, you can ignore the rest of the non-debian guide	11:12
lle2	go back to running sb2-init	11:12
Zekquel	lle2	11:13
Zekquel	my linux is also a debian-based linux	11:13
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hahlo	lle2: sb2-init -m maemo maemo $HOME/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-linux-gcc	11:14
hahlo	now works thanks	11:14
lle2	hahlo: great!	11:14
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lle2	Zekquel: mine is not. fedora 8 is good.	11:15
Zekquel	i mean the linux on the embedded device	11:15
lle2	it is?	11:15
lle2	then you don't need openembedded	11:16
lle2	and you don't need maemo	11:16
lle2	debian is almost infinitely better than either of thoes	11:16
Zekquel	yes lle2, but i need a graphical package for my device	11:16
Zekquel	and maemo looks very attractive	11:17
lle2	do you have X server on it?	11:17
Zekquel	yes	11:17
lle2	gtk?	11:17
Zekquel	can install gtk2 too	11:17
lle2	okay	11:17
Zekquel	but i am not very familiar with the x-server	11:17
lle2	hmm, in principle you could take the hildon & related libraries and compile them to your target	11:18
lle2	but you're totally asking for a lot of pain	11:18
timely	lle2: are you discouraging someone from using hildon? how dare you ;-?	11:18
lle2	you might want to look at how openembedded has integrated them into their build system	11:19
Zekquel	never used it before	11:19
Zekquel	i am a programmer	11:19
Zekquel	i am working with gps devices, serial communications	11:19
Zekquel	the graphic-based devices is a new domain to me, that i have to learn how to deal with it	11:19
Zekquel	and the company that provides the embedded board does not have any forum to discuss things..	11:19
Zekquel	and i could not find any embedded-linux dev forums	11:19
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lle2	I cannot recommend simply taking the source packages and recompiling them, as their quality is hilarious	11:19
Zekquel	yes lle2 i have tried this too	11:20
timely	hilarious isn't quite the right word	11:20
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timely	sometimes you'll feel better being the lemming who walks off the cliff	11:20
Zekquel	but yet i have no knowledge about a few things on embedded linux	11:20
Zekquel	windows ce is more documented than embedded linux, but me prefers linux	11:21
lle2	I think you should start by making sure the X server works	11:21
astro76	Zekquel, also consider your device only outputs 640x480, maemo is set-up for 800x480, touch screen, no mouse or cursor	11:21
timely	Zekquel: who's your audience, and what do they need?	11:21
lle2	and after that test gtk2 with some "hello world"ish gui app	11:21
timely	if you can afford to pay for the wince/winem license, and or feel that the price is worth the value of the documentation	11:22
Zekquel	timely, i am only learning the device for now... no audience	11:22
timely	then perhaps the tradeoff is worth it	11:22
timely	documentation is very valuable, people generally don't realize just how valuable	11:22
lle2	once that's out of the way, slowly start looking at compiling the hildon libraries, manually, with no debian packaging	11:22
timely	or how hard it is to buy/pay for good documentation	11:22
Zekquel	lle2 i never heard of hildon libraries before	11:23
timely	Zekquel: hildon is maemo's ui glue	11:23
lle2	Zekquel: from what I remember recent hildon libs support vanilla gtk	11:23
timely	it's something like live.gnome.org/hildon	11:23
lle2	I would prepare to use about a month or two to get the maemo gui stuff built and running	11:24
timely	iirc ubuntu mobile or someone actually started playing w/ or using it	11:24
Zekquel	thanks	11:24
Zekquel	i will try to read more on hildon and openembedded	11:24
timely	also, is there a time frame?	11:25
timely	because there's at least one other embedding platform that will eventually exist	11:25
timely	there's some strange paradox that talks about the best way to do something as being not to start until later	11:25
unique311	ubuntu mobile for i386	11:26
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timely	unique311: but does it use hildon?	11:26
unique311	not intended for arm, which sucks	11:26
unique311	yes	11:26
Zekquel	no time limit.. i started learning embedded as a hobbty	11:26
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pupnik	lle2: yes pcsx just uses the vanilla gtk for e.g.	11:27
unique311	https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile	11:27
unique311	lots of familiar packages	11:27
astro76	I'd be surprised if they don't target ARM eventually	11:28
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lle2	I would hope they target x86 first properly before aiming their buggywagons elsewhere	11:28
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astro76	seems to be their plan	11:29
lle2	spread their bugs far and wide?	11:29
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unique311	not sure why youtube won't play my video of neopop running on the n800	11:32
unique311	don't think i did anything illegal.	11:32
Jaffa	Morning, all	11:33
unique311	good morning	11:33
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tigert	yowz	11:42
unique311	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGmOjeAm2Y	11:43
unique311	there it is..	11:43
unique311	pupnik, check ur PMs	11:43
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* tigert posted some wallpapers in the ui team blog		11:44
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tigert	for those of you who are using os2008	11:44
AD-N770	bon dia / good morning	11:44
tigert	yo mr. dent	11:44
tigert	http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com/	11:44
tigert	I guess it'll be in the planet soon too	11:44
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protocol_	Hi, anybody knows how to use ESD to record sound on maemo platform.	11:46
protocol_	I am trying a simple example application "esdrec" which does not work.	11:46
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bedboi	hi all	11:47
protocol_	It hangs on the sencond read attempt every time I tried.	11:47
protocol_	"esdrec" works perfectly on pc.	11:47
protocol_	Any help would be really appreciated.	11:47
unique311	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGmOjeAm2Y Sonic the hedgehog pocket adventure running on neopop emu (N800)	11:48
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timely	tigert: nice art	11:54
Jaffa	http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/PSP.htm has some nice ones which scale up to 800x480 nicely	11:56
* Jaffa likes "Dewdrop" in there.		11:58
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jeddy3	tigert and jaffa: nice!	11:59
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fatal-	err.. How can I make some system service to be run as root?	12:00
fatal-	it seems to be that by default /etc/init.d is being run as user?	12:01
fatal-	yet somehow some of the services manage to be started as root anyhow	12:01
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pupnik	thanks unique311 and merry christmas	12:05
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pupnik	unique311: was fps much better without scaling?	12:09
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florian	good morning	12:17
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maddlah	morning all...	12:20
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X-Fade	Hmm I guess nobody noticed the big news? :)	12:36
wumpus	big news?	12:36
jeddy3	os2008 :)	12:36
jeddy3	?	12:36
X-Fade	yep..	12:36
jeddy3	just read it...	12:37
wumpus	cool	12:37
* tigert is kicking marko in the butt to put his wallpapers in the blog too :)		12:37
bedboi	X-Fade: which news?	12:38
bedboi	ah	12:39
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lle2	must be the 1.99.0.22 release of sb2	12:39
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bedboi	lle2: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html	12:40
bedboi	i'm making a backup	12:41
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L0cutus	wow thanks bedboi !	12:53
L0cutus	i'm downloading	12:53
L0cutus	also my 16Gb SDHC is arrived today :)	12:53
bedboi	16Gb?	12:53
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bedboi	damn it's huge	12:54
rocketman	Someone have a fast download site for the new release for N810?	12:54
bedboi	i don't think it's supported	12:54
bedboi	rocketman: come on, be patient :)	12:54
rocketman	Official download site going at like 15 k/s	12:54
bedboi	ah cool	12:55
bedboi	i'm stealing all the bandwidth	12:55
bedboi	it's 120kb/s	12:55
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L0cutus	<bedboi> i don't think it's supported	12:55
L0cutus	yes, i''m using it now (ext2)	12:55
bedboi	COOL	12:55
bedboi	are you serious?	12:55
L0cutus	plus an 8Gb internal	12:56
rocketman	At this rate, my N810's batteries will be drained by the time it is done downloading and the updater will magically brick my n810	12:56
L0cutus	so total il 24gb :D	12:56
L0cutus	i'm downloading at 110k/sec	12:56
tontsa	does that update work thru application manager too or you need the cable?	12:57
L0cutus	cable	12:57
L0cutus	reflash	12:57
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L0cutus	i don't know if it is 'safe' to backup and then restore all...	12:58
L0cutus	i have beta 1	12:58
tontsa	i have n810 with os2008 already in it	12:58
rothiel	Hello World :)	12:58
L0cutus	ciao ro	12:59
dpb_	tontsa: the new os2008 image that was released today?	12:59
L0cutus	ops	12:59
L0cutus	ciao rothiel	12:59
tontsa	dpb_, no of course not	12:59
L0cutus	http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html	12:59
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L0cutus	date report today	12:59
L0cutus	18/12/07	12:59
rocketman	Here is a file change log	12:59
dpb_	yeah, people here were talking about the new one :)	12:59
rocketman	looks like the gps driver was updated	13:00
tontsa	yeah and i'm wondering if it's just a simple update for n810 folks	13:00
rocketman	as well as libbluetooth2	13:00
tigert	the url lists a changelog I think	13:00
tontsa	good that bluetooth is updated, cause it's very shaky on my n810	13:00
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rocketman	and some new themes	13:00
cosmo_	is there any sensible text editor for device, that can edit any normal text files?	13:01
cosmo_	and doesn't need huge dependencies	13:01
rocketman	I like nano, myself	13:01
rocketman	pretty straightforward	13:01
* jeddy3 hopes for a canola 2 soon also, that would make my weekend		13:01
rocketman	doesn't require reading a book to learn like vi and emacs	13:01
L0cutus	also flashplayer and microb	13:02
cosmo_	is there deb available? i found some nano version which wanted dependencies	13:02
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cosmo_	emacs would be the best ;)	13:02
cosmo_	i'd settle for something like maemopad which wouldn't be limited to MyDocs	13:02
rocketman	Some sip changes too	13:02
jeddy3	rocketman, you have link to changelog?	13:03
rocketman	sorry, thought I posted already	13:03
rocketman	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_comparison.html	13:03
jeddy3	thnks	13:03
rocketman	metalayer-crawler0 unchanged :(	13:04
L0cutus	hope they fixed also the 'softpoweroff' script	13:04
tontsa	hehe. i have something like 42-19 on mine right now	13:04
* rwhitby wonders if they have finally added the GMT+9:30 timezone for Adelaide		13:05
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rocketman	Glad to see chess got updated...cause that was real critical	13:06
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rocketman	RSS reader updated	13:08
L0cutus	don't know why they don't use torrent files....	13:08
* pupnik refreshes		13:08
rocketman	newer xterm	13:08
rocketman	I was listening to "This American Life" and Ira Glass was bitching about the bandwidth bills and how they were like $200,000	13:09
L0cutus	88% ;)	13:10
dpb_	os2008 has xterm installed by default? cool.	13:10
rocketman	I wrote a letter explaining in layman's terms the benefits of torrent distribution	13:10
rocketman	they are still begging for money....	13:11
tigert	cosmo_: I would guess emacs would work just by recompiling the src deb of emacs-nox?	13:11
tigert	cosmo_: it would be pretty big of course	13:11
tigert	but thats emacs for you :)	13:11
tigert	micro-emacs might be useful?	13:11
tigert	anyone remember that one?	13:11
tigert	I had it on the amiga years ago, though I had no clue what it was :)	13:11
_berto_	or joe ;)	13:12
_berto_	with the emacs keybindings (jmacs)	13:12
tigert	was fun to discover it again a few years back when I booted my a500 again after a long time	13:12
tigert	yeah	13:12
Veggen	hmm. download speed not too bad compared to when they released the beta.... :)	13:12
tigert	jmacs was ok	13:12
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rocketman	Anybody managed to download the file yet?	13:15
rocketman	I am sitting at 30% and it is getting slower and slower...	13:16
Veggen	30 of 134 MB now.	13:16
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Veggen	(but I only started a few minutes ago)	13:16
Veggen	around 100 KB/sc.	13:17
rocketman	If someone has finished 44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin could they please host a torrent?	13:17
kulve	is it legal to host that?	13:17
Veggen	probably not.	13:18
L0cutus	ok, flashed	13:18
L0cutus	it have found my backup data and asked for restore	13:18
rocketman	I am always extremely dubious about restoring anything from backup	13:19
rocketman	their backup program basically just overwrites files	13:20
rocketman	and it has been known to have extremely subtle bad consequences in the past	13:20
L0cutus	hem :)	13:20
rocketman	I basically restore my repositories list and bookmarks	13:20
tigert	if you have nothing in the device already (just flashed it) there are not much to overwrite	13:20
tigert	I guess the problems might arise if you have a backup from your 770 os2005 and you want to restore it	13:21
L0cutus	i have many apps to restore	13:21
rocketman	the point is, the backup program when restoring can overwrite configuration files with older, not completely compatible versions of those same files	13:21
rocketman	It caused a lot of problems with microb for instance	13:21
tigert	rocketman: yep, I see the problem	13:21
L0cutus	it is reinstalling all apps	13:22
cosmo_	first crash with the new 2008 ;)	13:25
GNUton	Hi! :)	13:26
rocketman	OS 2008 - Crash Different	13:27
L0cutus	lol cosmo_	13:27
L0cutus	v2 crash different	13:27
rocketman	All hail the new bugs, same as the old bugs	13:27
cosmo_	tried to install fm radio and browser died. on second time it seems to work..	13:27
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rocketman	This is on a n800, right? N810 doesn't have a radio, so that might be your problems	13:28
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cosmo_	n800	13:28
cosmo_	well, the browser shouln't crash even on 810	13:29
tigert	the 2008 has been pretty solid for me lately	13:29
alterego	In an ideal world.	13:29
tigert	you havent even seen the first iterations of the OS :-)	13:29
tigert	its been pretty good now	13:29
cosmo_	ok, the browser died _after_ installing	13:30
cosmo_	hm, this getting started demo is fancy	13:32
rocketman	Oh well, this download is moving like sludge. Going to go get my 3:30 am lunch break	13:32
rocketman	bbl	13:32
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tigert	it's 1337 o'clock soon again! :)	13:34
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inz	oh noes	13:35
inz	1337EET	13:36
tigert	:)	13:36
tigert	yeah!	13:36
alterego	hah	13:36
inz	The eastern americans have it better, they have 1337EST	13:36
tigert	inz: did you compile the fancypants xterm for os2008 yet btw?	13:36
tigert	since it has the stuff we left out for style/consistency reasons from the included one	13:37
tigert	I know some people have requested that one	13:37
* tigert likes the included one though, suits me better than the tabs etc		13:37
rocketman	337 right now :)	13:37
inz	tigert, nah, I read the code of the bundled one and got depressed	13:38
tigert	oh?	13:38
ccooke	fancy terminal? got a link?	13:38
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mgedmin	http://maemo-hackers.org/xterm, wasn't it?	13:44
mgedmin	no	13:45
mgedmin	(maemo-hackers.org is s l o w)	13:45
mgedmin	http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm	13:45
tontsa	now just needs chinook build :)	13:46
kulve	we really do. The "built-in" is horrible (worse that maemo-hackers version at least)	13:48
dpb_	better than nothing though..	13:50
tontsa	the built-in is quite usable	13:50
kulve	I don't like it at all. It doens't have tabs etc	13:51
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tontsa	well my usual use case is just ssh:in to remote host and detaching screen	13:51
tontsa	so lack of tabs doesn't bother me	13:51
kulve	I need to attach to 3 screens :)	13:52
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jumpula	kulve: nested screens, different meta-keys?	13:52
tontsa	well poor you then :)	13:52
kulve	I had desktop files running xterm + "ssh remotehost", but I couldn't do that with the built-int	13:52
dpb_	terminals shouldn't have tabs...	13:54
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pupnik	haha	13:54
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Jaffa	Relatively big bump in macromedia-flashplayer version (2.30-1 to 2.35-1)	13:56
lardman	what we need is a bump in the Nokia shop discount code parsing component	13:56
pupnik	nokia.de reports 'still in stock'	13:57
Jaffa	Indeed. My wife wants this N810 ASAP.	13:57
Jaffa	tablet-browser-controls: 0.1.24-1 to 0.2.2-1.	13:58
pupnik	i just know they'll go on backorder as soon as I get the confirmation	13:58
alterego	I feel like I'm in the lowest depths of Hell ..	13:58
pupnik	you must be coding something	13:59
GNUton	I'm testing hildonmm.. i've compiled a simple application, but it doesn't work.. it crash with this message 'Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory'	13:59
alterego	No, I'm attempting to configure Exim for multiple domains :/	13:59
alterego	GNUton, you need to generate that file.	13:59
alterego	dbus-uuidgen	14:00
alterego	So: sudo sh -c "dbus-uuidgen > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id"	14:00
GNUton	alterego: ok works! :)	14:01
GNUton	done! :)	14:01
alterego	What works?	14:01
alterego	What's done?	14:01
GNUton	alterego: machine-id generated.. and yhe simple program start..! :)	14:01
GNUton	it doesn't crash anymore!	14:01
alterego	Good.	14:02
GNUton	alterego: thank you! :)	14:02
alterego	No problem.	14:02
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Rocketman12	Sitting at Denny's....freaking Denny's	14:03
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Rocketman12	Was going to get myself a big juicy burger at Jack in the Box....but the employees locked themselves in and were asleep on the tables	14:04
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Rocketman12	sometimes I hate working the night shift...	14:05
Jaffa	BTW, am I missing something or does OS2008 have no visual indicator any more as to whether a WLAN is ad-hoc or infrastructure?	14:06
tigert	it has	14:06
tigert	as far as I know	14:07
Rocketman12	So, any first responses to the new release?	14:07
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tigert	Jaffa: should have ·)))) vs ·)))· in the icon?	14:07
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tigert	though I dont have that exact one installed, but the icons were updated a while ago so I guess they should be in that release	14:08
Rocketman12	I think wireless-tools has been released now	14:08
Rocketman12	so you can get all the details you want	14:09
kulve	are the ipv6 tools in some repo for os200x?	14:09
lardman	I'm probably just heading up into purgatory, trying to tweak the OGG bit reading code to use 16bit chars rather than 8bit. Uuurgh	14:10
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pupnik	would someone with a clue talk to lardman please? i can't	14:12
lardman	pupnik: don't worry, I'm making progress	14:13
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lardman	pupnik: crc code is tweaked, but there are more functions which need tweaking	14:13
pupnik	ok. please put comments in - maybe someone else can learn from them	14:14
lardman	yeah, I'll do a patch against the original when I get it done	14:14
Jaffa	tigert: you're joking, right? 3 bars rather than 4 is supposed to be the difference? Hollowed vs. filled was bad enough, but how as a user am I supposed to remember which is which (or, if I've only got one type shown, which it is)	14:15
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tigert	no	14:24
tigert	two dots for ad-hoc	14:24
tigert	maybe my ascii borked	14:24
tigert	.)))) vs .))).	14:25
tigert	adhoc has "two peers" in the metaphor	14:25
tigert	even though its not totally correct technically	14:26
tigert	since adhoc is not just peer-peer of course	14:26
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Jaffa	tigert: ok, I'll try reflashing and checking again. I even RTFMed and it said "ad-hoc connections show X, and infrastructure show Y" - but I couldn't see a difference between X & Y.	14:42
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tigert	yeah, hmm	14:44
tigert	i will flash the 2008 on my n800 soon too	14:45
tigert	lets see	14:45
lardman	anyone have experience of updating asm code?	14:46
lardman	I'm trying to work out whether I'd be better off updating some C54 asm to work on the C55, or just implementing the functions in C and possibly tweaking the asm from there	14:46
Jaffa	Maintenance in C is going to be easier for other developers too, I guess.	14:47
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lardman	yes and there are lots of remark and warning messages emitted about this asm, would probably take a fair while to do	14:48
lardman	though it may be necessary in the end to make it fast enough	14:48
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X-Fade	Hmm Nokia triple slider :) http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/12/17/triple-slider-idea-from-nokia/	15:10
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derf	That sounds like either a drink or a baseball pitch... or both.	15:12
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pupnik	http://thankyoudodd.com/ Chris dodd courageously stands up for the constitution	15:15
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Skrylar	pupnik: :D	15:19
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Skrylar	Ouch	15:21
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Skrylar	pupnik: Britain wants to charge thousands of dollars to invite family in to the country :/	15:22
Skrylar	For visits	15:23
giskard	hey	15:23
giskard	do you know when the discount code will be accepted by nokia?	15:23
Veggen	fuck. "repair card" isn't fsck?	15:24
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Veggen	mmf. Internal slot of my card is usable from PC (via usb cable), but not from n800. Anyone seen that before?	15:32
Veggen	it's the slot, not the card. tried switching internal/external card, and several things. things works externally, not in internal slot.	15:33
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fysa	power off/on	15:39
Veggen	removing battery, I guess?	15:40
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Veggen	hmmf, that did it. Why didn't I think of that? (I just turned off/on via menu, although I should know that's not a full reboot)	15:43
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bedboi	is there any gui application to turn on/off usb networking	15:53
bedboi	?	15:53
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pupnik	bah wrong channel	15:57
pupnik	sorry	15:57
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Rocketman	Got my 810 flashed and reasonably restored	16:04
Rocketman	still working on my 800	16:05
Rocketman	3.8 KB/sec	16:05
Rocketman	OS feels much more responsive than that which shipped on my 810	16:06
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Rocketman	Was able to pair my headphones too	16:06
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Rocketman	don't think they are doing a2dp, but wasn't able to pair at all before	16:07
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timeless	jaffa: ping	16:10
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melmoth	GRumble... os2008 is released	16:18
melmoth	but i cannot reflash my n800, what am i doing wrong ?	16:19
melmoth	root@satellite:/home/melmoth/tmp/maemo# /home/melmoth/bin/flasher-3.0-static -f -R RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	16:19
melmoth	flasher v0.9.0 (Jan 19 2007)	16:19
melmoth	Suitable USB device not found, waiting	16:19
melmoth	USB device found found at bus 004, device address 013	16:19
melmoth	Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301	16:19
melmoth	NOLO version 1.1.6	16:19
melmoth	Version of 'sw-release': <no version>	16:19
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Jaffa	timeless: pong	16:20
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timeless	jaffa: /join # please :)	16:25
pupnik	melmoth: what is the problem	16:25
* timeless notes the irony		16:26
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pupnik	are you referring to me timeless ?	16:28
melmoth	pupnik: wrong md5sum actually	16:28
melmoth	downloading the image again	16:28
sp3000	melmoth: you're not specifying a fiasco?	16:30
melmoth	thats true too, when i put the -F it complain about wrong size	16:30
timeless	pupnik: doubtful, see server notices	16:35
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L0cutus	someone is using the wireless apple keyboard with n800 ?	16:52
pupnik	"Unfortunately due to the N800's seperate LCD controller it's practically impossible for it to use the powervr mbx." - m03ez	16:54
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script	L0cutus: i'm using it w/ 770	16:56
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L0cutus	script, it is bluetooth right ?	16:57
script	L0cutus: right	16:57
L0cutus	does it work ok ? no problems ?	16:58
script	L0cutus: it works, usual problems ...	16:58
L0cutus	Fn key does work ?	16:58
script	L0cutus: repeating keys etc	16:58
script	L0cutus: what is Fn?	16:58
L0cutus	Function keys	16:58
L0cutus	F1 F2 etc	16:58
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script	L0cutus: you mean the hardware-keys?	16:58
L0cutus	yes	16:58
script	L0cutus: those are mapped to F1...F4 iirc	16:58
lardman	pupnik: where was that said?	16:59
L0cutus	hum	16:59
script	zoom, home, etc.	16:59
L0cutus	i have a dell XTBT01, but sometime it 'lost' some key	16:59
script	L0cutus: that happens with the apple keyboard too	17:00
L0cutus	backspace, enter etc sometimes 'dead'	17:00
L0cutus	acc	17:00
L0cutus	if i reboot n800 then they back alive	17:00
script	and i don't think thats a problem on the keyboard side ;)	17:00
L0cutus	don't know if it is a n800 problem or keyboard problem	17:01
script	there are even some bugs on bugzilla concerning the problem iirc	17:01
L0cutus	with os2007 never happens to me...	17:02
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pupnik	lardman: on a youtube video :)	17:04
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pupnik	i wonder if the guy knews what he is talking about :)	17:04
fysa	I believe he's talking out his ass.	17:05
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lardman	pupnik: you have an url for the video?	17:08
fysa	That early mplayer 'note' of the slowness of the video subsystem has been propagated to death and hurt our situation more than the original issue ever would have otherwise.	17:09
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lardman	what is the actual bandwidth limit in terms of what resolution at 30fps?	17:10
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lardman	iirc we're not able to achieve that throughput as the video decoding is too slow	17:10
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUOqR_2sACk	17:10
lardman	thanks	17:10
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lardman	if I were him, I'd get off the tower	17:12
pupnik	hhaha	17:12
fysa	Either way, I feel pixel doubling is a perfectly acceptable solution given our insanely high dpi.	17:13
pupnik	absolutely!	17:13
lardman	pupnik: you got a login? ask him why he thinks that	17:13
fysa	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-March/009133.html	17:13
fysa	This is what started it all.	17:13
fysa	These tests need to be rerun on OS2008..	17:14
lardman	he sent a later email with some figures	17:14
X-Fade	Hmm what is this RX-48?	17:15
lardman	N810?	17:15
lardman	RX-34=N800	17:15
X-Fade	Isn't that the RX-44 ?	17:15
lardman	oh yes, sorry	17:16
X-Fade	https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-app-killer/src/osso-app-killer-cud.sh	17:16
X-Fade	RX-48 :)	17:16
lardman	mmmm :)	17:16
lardman	if [ "$HW" = 'RX-44' -o "$HW" = 'RX-48' ]; then	17:16
lardman	so not a typo	17:16
X-Fade	No, check the commit message..	17:17
X-Fade	"added RX-48"	17:17
X-Fade	* Added 'RX-48' to the HW-specific part of CUD. Fixes: NB#78472	17:18
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lardman	that's a rather large bug number	17:18
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X-Fade	lardman: That is the internal bugzilla.	17:18
lardman	still a big number!	17:18
X-Fade	NB= Nokia Bugzilla..	17:18
X-Fade	Nah, all bugs these days are that high..	17:19
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skibur	how can I backup all my programs that i have installed on my OS2008 beta?	17:21
skibur	is there an option?	17:21
Jaffa	X-Fade: don't suppose you could let us know what NB#78472	17:21
Jaffa	...is? ;-)	17:22
X-Fade	Jaffa: I'm not a Nokian, so no..	17:22
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Jaffa	X-Fade: ah, fair enough.	17:23
maddler	skibur: you can use the backup function... :)	17:23
X-Fade	Jaffa: But my guess is: "No support for RX-48 in app killer" :)	17:23
Jaffa	hehe	17:23
lardman	fysa: 80048012bit = 560,000bytes. 560,000bytes * 30fps = 16.48Mbytes/s	17:23
skibur	nice	17:23
skibur	how 0.6mb	17:23
skibur	I backup all my stuff, it is only 0.6mb	17:23
Jaffa	That script is very odd. "only remove [.osso] if there is a certain amount of free space [3.5MB]"	17:23
fysa	does it actually back up your programs? or just the packages you have installed and the repos?	17:24
skibur	OS2008!!!	17:24
skibur	wii	17:24
fysa	(the list of packages, I mean)	17:24
skibur	anybody a seed for OS2008 bin?	17:24
Jaffa	fysa: the latter	17:24
Jaffa	skibur: N810 or N800 image?	17:24
skibur	N800	17:25
fysa	http://labs.mozilla.com/2007/10/prism/	17:25
fysa	I bet WebRunner/Prism could do some good on our platform.	17:25
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* Jaffa 's not yet seen the point of WebRunner		17:26
fysa	You could distribute site-specific GreaseMonkey and CSS in a bundle.	17:26
fysa	a "GMail" bundle.	17:26
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lardman	hmm, shame the Sandvall patch doesn't include anything related to the 16bit byte stuff, and strange that the mailing list entries pointed to by the Tremor wiki page also only mention a few bits	17:26
Jaffa	fysa: Ah, yeah good point - the GreaseMonkey/Stylish type stuff is an obvious one on our platform.	17:27
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czr	hey lardman	17:28
lardman	hi czr	17:28
fysa	I didn't see much point of WebRunner elsewhere, but some popular sites could become much more useful with 'treatment.' -- i.e, instead of requiring apps to use a special API like WebKit (which would never happen), we prepare an environment to make client-side modification of the web app/site as easy as possible.	17:29
Jaffa	fysa: a very neat idea; especially if combined with Google Gears or the Firefox 3 local storage stuff.	17:29
fysa	drop them in like distributable bookmarks.	17:29
Jaffa	Has microb got any of the local storage API stuff?	17:30
fysa	don't know, I'm just getting into microb more now.	17:30
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fysa	final OS2008 comes with a reasonable microb updated it looks like (0.1.x.x to 0.2.x?)	17:31
dpb_	Jaffa: well atleast it's based on the same source tree..	17:31
fysa	update, rather	17:31
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fysa	would have to talk to timeless about it.	17:32
fysa	http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8360022837.html	17:32
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Jaffa	dpb_: yeah, might be very interesting to combine those features with site-specific greasemonkey/css designed for the small screen with a WebRunner-type thing, as fysa suggests.	17:34
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dpb_	yeah	17:34
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wald0	anybody has the md5 of 2.2007.50-2 ?	17:37
lardman	hmm, no derf	17:37
melmoth	89e0661318f60420c691f4e1dd0c6ba3 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	17:38
melmoth	see MD5SUMS file :)	17:38
wald0	thanks :)	17:38
wald0	melmoth: the server is VERY slow, and actually it timeouts giving me the md5 lol	17:39
melmoth	i have been trying/failed to donwload it for an hour or 2 now	17:39
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wald0	melmoth: i have a external download found on google: http://repo.noneus.de/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	17:39
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wald0	melmoth: this is why i wanted the md5 ;)	17:39
melmoth	hmmm.	17:39
skibur	What is microB?	17:39
czr	a very small b	17:40
skibur	I normally just open the browser and surf	17:40
skibur	o ok	17:40
skibur	lol dumb me	17:40
skibur	microB	17:40
wald0	microb is on the system of 2008 ?	17:40
wald0	by default*	17:40
tontsa	microB is the name for slimmed down gecko engine	17:40
skibur	Opera Family?	17:40
tontsa	mozilla	17:40
skibur	ok	17:40
tontsa	gonna flash RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin as soon as the thingie has charged battery full	17:41
tontsa	came pretty fast	17:41
tontsa	ohh.. you can't use the windows update utility for this, aargh	17:42
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wald0	mankod: no sabía que tenias un n800 :)	17:42
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mankod	wald0, who are you ?	17:43
wald0	mankod: thana camuflado	17:43
mankod	wald0, :O	17:43
wald0	xD	17:43
mankod	wald0, a pues como ves que si :D	17:43
wald0	how are you mankod ? :)	17:43
mankod	mankos is mankos, are you now :D	17:44
mankod	*mankod	17:44
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wald0	how i upgrade the firmware ? i don't remember... any link ? i have the flasher-3.0 to upgrade my n800 to 2.2007.50-2	17:46
lardman	search the maemo.org wiki for "flasher"	17:48
wald0	\|]/stmp[\| md5sum RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	17:48
wald0	89e0661318f60420c691f4e1dd0c6ba3 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	17:48
wald0	melmoth: seems to be correct :)	17:48
wald0	thx lardman	17:49
skibur	I need a torrent on N800 - OS2008	17:50
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wald0	skibur: im going to put the image on my server...	17:57
tontsa	whee. 50-2 booted succesfully atleast, forgot to make backup though :P	17:59
tontsa	let's see if bluetooth works any better	17:59
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fysa	is there a method for apt-get upgrade?	17:59
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lardman	does anyone understand the Tremor bitwise.c code?	18:01
lardman	http://svn.xiph.org/branches/lowmem-no-byte/Tremor/bitwise.c	18:01
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lardman	you can carry on talking you know	18:10
lardman	don't mind me ;)	18:10
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tontsa	application manager atleast sucks, it's downloading (refreshing) the repos, but gets always stuck after few kilobytes. the sucky part is that you can't know what repo is causing it	18:14
lardman	tontsa: there's a log	18:15
lardman	look in the menus	18:15
tontsa	oh cool. repository.maemo.org	18:15
X-Fade	tontsa: Everybody is restoring their tablets..	18:15
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solmumaha	maybe in 10 hours... :(	18:16
skibur	Nokia Internet Tablet Software Update Wizard 2007 ok to use for OS2008? N800?	18:16
tontsa	i used something like that, dunno was it called 2007 though for N810	18:17
skibur	o ok	18:17
tontsa	how do you gainroot on this new one	18:18
Jaffa	Install becomeroot, `sudo gainroot'. Bosh.	18:18
Jaffa	becomeroot is nice and in a repo, so it should be maintained across reflashes too	18:18
tontsa	yeah would install if i could get any repos working :)	18:19
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dragorn	if you set it to r&d mode with the flasher you can just do sudo gainroot natively	18:20
wald0	How i flash n800 to 2008 WITHOUT remove my personal boot loader ? (i have other system on my mmc card), i want to save my loader	18:20
tontsa	there's no switch in the windows flasher and i'm too lazy right now to boot some linux livecd	18:21
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Khertan_TheReal	Hi	18:23
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kulve	wald0: since the bootloader might included fixes, I recommend flashing it too	18:23
skibur	how big is the N810 bin file?	18:24
skibur	134mb?	18:24
wald0	well, ok	18:24
wald0	skibur: aprox, yes	18:24
skibur	what about N800?	18:24
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tontsa	141227980 bytes with 25292105f0769680828ea2ccd36d6807 md5 (N810)	18:28
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kulve	skibur: maybe you should unpack it and compare the components.. (depending of course why you are comparing them..)	18:29
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ph\|ber	anyone using an 810?	18:29
tontsa	i am	18:30
ph\|ber	what all have you installed to it?	18:30
ph\|ber	mine will be here today.. just wondering.	18:30
tontsa	nothing at the moment, just flashed it to new version that was released today	18:30
ph\|ber	sweet.. is that on maemo.org?	18:31
tontsa	yeah	18:31
tontsa	bluetooth seems to work better atleast	18:31
ph\|ber	cool	18:31
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pupnik	wb Tak	18:32
* Tak set alterego -nonpedantic		18:33
Thanatermesis	is microb the new browser of 2008 by default ?	18:33
Tak	pupnik: thanks	18:33
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUOqR_2sACk unique311 built a new emu tak	18:33
tontsa	yes	18:33
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Tak	uhh - isn't that video on an n82?	18:34
Tak	or was the link unrelated to the comment?	18:34
ph\|ber	my phone is the n95	18:35
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pupnik	sorry	18:37
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGmOjeAm2Y neopop emu	18:37
Tak	hmm - is that significantly different than gngeo?	18:39
pupnik	i haven't looked at it yet	18:40
Tak	hahaha..."The decision to ship American games in cardboard boxes..."	18:41
unique311	pupnik	18:42
unique311	just woke up	18:42
unique311	http://www.nih.at/NeoPop-SDL/neopoprc-fm.html	18:42
pupnik	right after i mentioned neopop you showed up	18:42
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unique311	good stuff	18:43
Tak	yay @ directive error	18:43
unique311	i was responding to a message for the video.	18:43
Tak	so - is that significantly different than gngeo?	18:43
Thanatermesis	what is the default browser on the last firmware update ?	18:43
unique311	gngeo wont compile	18:44
unique311	neopop actually does, with no issues. and runs games at good speeds.	18:45
Tak	hmm, I was almost positive I got gngeo to build	18:45
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Tak	well - do they support significantly different sets of games, or not really?	18:45
unique311	gngeo also looks like the system..	18:46
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unique311	neopop is the pocket version, like a gameboy.	18:47
Tak	yeah	18:47
unique311	but if you got that working, can i get a binary...would like to play that.	18:47
Tak	but it looks like ngpocket had a subset of ng games	18:48
Tak	so I'm wondering if neopop is significantly faster, ec	18:48
Tak	s/ec/etc/	18:48
infobot	Tak meant: so I'm wondering if neopop is significantly faster, etc	18:48
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Thanatermesis	how dosbox works ?	18:48
unique311	tak with graphics size set to default 1 before compiling it...35fps max.	18:49
unique311	i compile it with graphics size set to triple	18:50
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unique311	which slows down fps, but then i up'ed the frameskip. which helps alot.	18:51
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liia	how do you type pipe in n810 xterm?	18:54
Tak	it's in the third tab in the default en_US kb	18:54
penguinbait	is it next week yet?	18:54
X-Fade	penguinbait: nope..	18:54
penguinbait	:( will it really be this week?	18:55
Tak	fuck, I can't build gngeo anymore - it used to build	18:55
X-Fade	penguinbait: I think that all depends on the people operating the online shops ;)	18:55
penguinbait	I feel like a kid, and christmas keeps changing dates :)	18:55
* Tak curses new bora rootstrap		18:55
unique311	wont build in chinook also.	18:56
Thanatermesis	WTF ? i had see a "video converter" on my n800 with chinook and when i try to install it, it try's to download a .exe lol	18:56
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fnordage_	hi all. what do I need to do to update scratchbox for the latest build? "apt-get dist-upgrade" perhaps?	18:56
Atraii	Thanatermesis thats for windows	18:56
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Thanatermesis	Atraii, what's windows ?	18:58
penguinbait	Are there any games for nokia that would use joystick support, I have my usb wifi logitech rumblepad working but no apps to use it with	18:58
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penguinbait	will quake1 use hid joysticks?	18:59
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Thanatermesis	penguinbait, the OS use joystick, not the games, the OS needs to detect it like a joystick, simply	19:00
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penguinbait	so do games, the OS sees it fine, but nothing is using /dev/input/js1	19:00
penguinbait	If I test in KDE its all working	19:01
penguinbait	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13324	19:01
Thanatermesis	penguinbait, try ln -s /dev/input/js1 /dev/js1	19:02
penguinbait	Quake2 should work, but I would have to manually add the bunding, which I need to figure out, I wish quetoo had the menus	19:02
Thanatermesis	some games try to access at the old device tree system	19:02
Atraii	bomberman wud be good	19:02
penguinbait	You still need something to map the inputs to keys or use the inputs direct	19:02
penguinbait	I did notice using the buttons, unblanks the screen	19:02
penguinbait	s/bunding/binding/	19:03
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Tak	penguinbait: xmame?	19:06
penguinbait	joy2key should do the trick, but xmame might also work	19:07
solmumaha	yay, eta only 5 days, can get it flashed before christmas	19:10
Tak	aha, got it built	19:11
unique311	?	19:11
unique311	gngeo	19:11
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fnordage_	so, will an "apt-get dist-upgrade" bring my chinook target up to date in scratchbox, or do i need to do something else?	19:13
Tak	yes.	19:13
Tak	with the cyclone and drz80 core	19:13
Tak	it runs, at least the help message - I'll send you the package for more extensive testing, if you'd like	19:14
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unique311	ya...send it.	19:14
elpaso	Hi all, I'm figthing with latest 0s2008 on N800. Incredibly, I cannot kill a process as root	19:15
Tak	heh, what process?	19:15
elpaso	maemo-mapper	19:15
elpaso	it hangs	19:15
elpaso	killall -9 maemo-mapper don't work	19:16
elpaso	kill -9 pid neither	19:16
nomis	well, then it probably is zombified.	19:16
elpaso	need and exorcist?	19:16
nomis	elpaso: "reboot" is a pretty good exorcist :)	19:17
elpaso	:)	19:17
fnordage_	shoot the device?	19:17
pyhimys	3 ave marias, and reboot should do it	19:17
skibur	Is it safe to use restore from OS2008 Beta to Official OS2008?	19:17
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pyhimys	skibur just trying to do it	19:17
pyhimys	so far the application manager updates repositories	19:18
skibur	I am, but it seems to freeze when It is trying to restore apps	19:18
pyhimys	has been for 30 minutes(?) so far	19:18
skibur	yeah	19:18
pyhimys	skibur: sounds familiar :)	19:18
elpaso	another question while rebooting... I've uploaded tuxpaint in extra-devel chinook but nothing happened, shall I do something in order to push it in extra repository?	19:18
tontsa	yeah some repos are impossible to get.. like the one that has becomeroot	19:19
skibur	Downloading 6kb... It has been like that for about 5+mins	19:19
pyhimys	skibur: maybe the repositories are just hammered at the moment	19:19
skibur	o ok	19:19
skibur	lol	19:19
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skibur	I guess I just try later	19:20
pyhimys	everyone and their friends are updating at the moment	19:20
tontsa	they should have released 800 and 810 images on seperate days :)	19:20
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solmumaha	or maybe get some more bandwidth	19:20
fnordage_	hello.	19:20
lopz	hola	19:20
elpaso	hi	19:20
tontsa	or get those maemo repos atleast on debian's mirroring system	19:21
fnordage_	so, how do i upgrade scratchbox to match chinook	19:21
solmumaha	my image is almost here, only 3 days left	19:21
tontsa	which image are you after	19:21
solmumaha	n800	19:21
tontsa	oh.. i'd have 810	19:21
fnordage_	i have the indt vmware vm, and am wondering if "apt-get dist-upgrade" will do the trick	19:21
milhouse	xterm is still as crap as ever... why didn't they just ship the version we know and love rather than tinker with it and balls it up? ho hum. bah humbug.	19:22
Thanatermesis	what is the default browser on chinook ?	19:23
milhouse	microb	19:23
milhouse	there is not other choice	19:23
milhouse	s/not/no/	19:23
infobot	milhouse meant: there is no other choice	19:23
fnordage_	ok. if my last question was too hard, can someone remind me where to put fonts on the n800. i have the google android ones, which are nice, but can't remember where to put them.	19:23
sp3000	surely someone has made a lynx/links package	19:24
tontsa	/usr/share/fonts and reboot	19:24
milhouse	sp3000: there may have been a version of lynx knocking about for os2007	19:24
Thanatermesis	milhouse, microb sounds good :) since i can use google services... on opera i can't click on the "items" !	19:24
milhouse	opera? never heard of it :)	19:24
Thanatermesis	heh	19:25
fnordage_	tontsa: thanks	19:25
Thanatermesis	well, ppl says that opera is very good	19:25
tontsa	i'm very happy with this os update, bluetooth is finally rock solid	19:25
tontsa	has been up already over 45mins.. before it was just 10-15mins max	19:25
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milhouse	think i might put mine away for the night - updating the catalogues in app manager has already taken almost 10 minutes and not completed... installing applications will be very, very painful	19:26
tontsa	i just wanna get openssh or the becomeroot package so i can install fonts	19:27
Inil	i want install maemo on my n75, i can do it?	19:27
tontsa	inil, dream on	19:27
milhouse	inil: unlikely...	19:27
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fnordage_	tontsa: r&d mode?	19:29
timeless	lardman: nokia's bugnumbers are small when compared to mozilla.org, redhat and sun	19:29
timeless	or apple	19:29
tontsa	fnordage_, i'm stuck with windows laptop right now, so no way to flash with options	19:29
timeless	anyone know why repository.maemo.org is very slow right now?	19:29
deejoe	because OS2008 was just released?	19:30
timeless	lardman: and nokia is artifically inflating its bug numbers	19:30
tontsa	timeless, timeouts for me. can get about 1KB and then nothing	19:30
fnordage_	yeah. I'm DDOSing it ;-)	19:30
timeless	deejoe: hrm, but it's a different server, no?	19:30
* deejoe shrugs		19:30
deejoe	dunno	19:30
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deejoe	then again, maybe folks are flashing then hitting the repo for fun stuff	19:30
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tontsa	maemo extras or extras-devel doesn't respond either	19:31
timeless	deejoe: yeah	19:31
timeless	tontsa: it's the same box, they wouldn't	19:31
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tontsa	oh ok	19:32
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timeless	i'm trying to write an email to maemo-devel w/ a url into the repository	19:32
timeless	but um,... kinda hard	19:32
tontsa	i guess next step is to set up mirrors	19:32
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timeless	not sure how doable that is	19:32
timeless	some of the nokia stuff isn't mirrorable	19:32
Ini2	milhouse: impassible?	19:33
timeless	although i'd hope that the repo is	19:33
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tontsa	ohh repos started to respond	19:34
sp3000	timely, rmo isn't slow for me	19:36
milhouse	Ini2: impossible to install maemo on an n75? i've no idea if the n75 is remotely compatible (OMAP1 or OMAP2?) but chances are it would take a lot of effort - screen resolution could confuse a lot of apps assuming you did get it working	19:36
murrayc_	not gonna happen.	19:37
Ini2	milhouse: n76	19:37
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tontsa	oh the new openssh package doesn't ask what to set up as root password.. wonder what's the default one	19:38
czr	rootme is the default one	19:39
czr	but the root account is disabled unless you have enabled r&d mode	19:40
czr	there are many ways to go around this (check the maemo-devel list for the past week for one package that doesn't require too much hacking)	19:40
tontsa	yep.. last time the openssh install asked what to put as root password so everything was ok	19:40
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Ini2	milhouse: thx a lot.	19:44
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Thanatermesis	I can "call" from my n800 (chinook) to a normal computer (linux) ?	19:47
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melmoth	i give up, i ll download the image another day :-(	19:50
\|R	hehe 12k/sec here... and falling...	19:51
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milhouse	excellent - the rss icons on maemo.org don't work in the latest os 2008... doesn't anyone test this crap?	19:52
melmoth	i have been waiting for weeks, i can still wait a couple of days :)	19:52
Mekin	melmoth: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13344 there might be alternative ways to download	19:53
Thanatermesis	melmoth, \|R, the mirror that i have posted before is OK, the md5 is correct (imposible to modify it from the original one), and actually im working on this upgrade without problems (im wald0)	19:55
melmoth	i m too paranoid for this.	19:55
Thanatermesis	yes, "too" is the word then	19:55
Thanatermesis	on the md5, if you modify ONLY one bit, the md5 turns TOTALLY different	19:55
mgedmin	don't you know that md5 has been broken <dramatic music>	19:56
Thanatermesis	the md5 code is from maemo server, then is the original number	19:56
tontsa	so any ideas how to get RD mode activated without using linux flasher? (or get openssh-server install package ask for root password :))	19:56
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\|R	unless you have a good md5 attack tool i guess hehe but thanks (where is that mirror? Though i have to leave now so i'm in no hurry , but for others...)	19:56
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elpaso	tontsa: need becomeroot?	19:56
tontsa	elpaso, can't find it in any chinook repo	19:57
Thanatermesis	http://repo.noneus.de/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	19:57
elpaso	I found it on eko.pl	19:57
Thanatermesis	im working from this firmware now	19:57
\|R	thx :)	19:57
Thanatermesis	and i don't see any problem on the system so far :)	19:57
\|R	Good, i was waiting for a final before reinstalling everything :)	19:58
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Thanatermesis	is a PITA to reconfigure again all the system :/	19:58
\|R	yeah	19:59
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deckel	anybody with a URL for todays OS update for N810? Got mine today and would like to update before I do much configuration.	20:01
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tontsa	i have the image, i can ftp it to you if you /msg with details	20:02
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Thanatermesis	its possible to use the google-talk app for linux too ? (i mean, port it to x86 in a debian system)	20:06
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Thanatermesis	osso-voip-ui, mmmh...	20:10
Thanatermesis	osso apps are the GPL ones ?	20:10
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Thanatermesis	what are the "extra" repositories for chinook ?	20:20
gomiam	mmm... quick question. tablets-dev.nokia.com won't let me get the new image. Is somebody else having the same problem?	20:21
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Thanatermesis	gomiam, firmware ?	20:21
gomiam	Thanatermesis: yup	20:21
gomiam	I wanted to update my N800	20:21
gomiam	and didn't start it yesterday evening because I was at home	20:22
Thanatermesis	gomiam, the server is very slow, you can use a alternative mirror if you have confiance on the md5 of the file that's the same at the original one :P	20:22
Thanatermesis	<Thanatermesis> http://repo.noneus.de/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	20:22
gomiam	alternative mirrors available at...	20:22
Thanatermesis	what about include that on the topic ? :) lol	20:22
* Thanatermesis pings ops...		20:22
gomiam	downloading...	20:23
timeless	um	20:23
timeless	don't mirror that file	20:23
timeless	you're asking for nokia's lawyers to send you a nasty-gram	20:23
gomiam	wait a couple of minutes until I finish downloading it XD	20:24
timeless	delete the file now	20:24
timeless	the os will keep a handle for gomiam	20:24
Thanatermesis	timeless, then request to nokia to use better servers :P	20:24
timeless	thanatermesis: complain to nokia cares	20:24
gomiam	by the way, Thanatermesis, where are you located?	20:24
timeless	that's the only channel i know of that might work	20:24
Thanatermesis	gomiam, spain	20:25
gomiam	ah, entonces ni caso	20:25
Thanatermesis	timeless, well, i would like but... i don't have time for things like that	20:25
Thanatermesis	and i don't think that violates any law since don't has any modification	20:25
timeless	thanatermesis: i had a large organization w/ a large pipe asking to mirror	20:26
gomiam	Thanatermesis: it all hinges on whether Nokia's Terms Of Use allow redistirbution.	20:26
milhouse	mirroring the file would relieve some of the load on nokias clearly inadequate servers/bandwidth/infrastructure so anyone who mirrors would be doing nokia a big favour.	20:26
wumpus	everyone can download it anyway, so why would it matter if you mirror it :')	20:26
timeless	and in no uncertain terms were told not to	20:26
gomiam	wumpus: because _not_ everyone can download it. It's not answering right now	20:26
milhouse	just trying to isntall skype here, it's a waste of time - been trying to download 1kb for 5 minutes	20:26
timeless	milhouse: it's better for nokia's servers to fail	20:27
timeless	and log the amount of unhappy requests	20:27
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timeless	by mirroring you reduce the number of unhappys	20:27
wumpus	gomiam: I know, I mean why would nokia be against mirroring if everyone is allowed to have the file anyway	20:27
timeless	which reduces the groups' ability to make a proper resource request	20:27
milhouse	timeless: this happened last time, didn't anyone notice at Nokia HQ?	20:27
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wumpus	so we should increase the number of unhappys?	20:27
wumpus	no problem :)	20:27
timeless	milhouse: dunno, i'm not at all connected to hq	20:28
gomiam	timeless: I find your definition of "better" hazy at best, more even so after reading milhouse's comments.	20:28
timeless	gomiam: shrug, the group i proxied has lots of bandwidth and a mirror network, i relayed the request and got the answer	20:28
milhouse	timeless: reporting problems to nokia is of questionable benefit, at best. just look at maemo bugzilla as a case in point.	20:28
timeless	and the answer came w/ an expanation	20:28
timeless	milhouse: which bugs?	20:29
milhouse	those that never get fixed from one version of firmware to the next	20:29
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gomiam	could I see the explanation please? (at least the publishable part, that is)	20:29
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timeless	gomiam: i got the response orally, but i believe the short answer is on the tablet-devs page that i can't load :)	20:30
gomiam	XD	20:30
gomiam	woe is me XD	20:30
gomiam	something about "putting all eggs in the same basket" comes to mind	20:31
timeless	gomiam: nah	20:31
timeless	there are 3 or 4 baskets	20:31
Thanatermesis	what is the root password of chinook ?	20:31
timeless	they are just all very small	20:31
Tak	also, nokia has switched to egg substitute	20:32
timeless	thanatermesis:	20:32
timeless	http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb	20:32
timeless	tak++	20:32
Thanatermesis	thx	20:32
Tak	haha	20:32
timeless	thanatermesis: the root password is still rootme, but unless you enable r&d mode, it's useless	20:32
timeless	that package lets you setup ssh to root w/o enabling r&d mode	20:32
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Thanatermesis	timeless, what exactly do enable the R&D mode ?	20:33
timeless	(course, if you can't install ssh, i suppose that could be a problem)	20:33
timeless	thanatermesis: i wouldn't know, i never do it	20:33
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\|tbb\|	hi all, what about a2dp support right now, does it work with the latest rls of os2008	20:33
Thanatermesis	btw, i can set a FIXED ip to my n800 house-wifi network ? i turn crazy everytime i want to ssh on it	20:33
timeless	and whenever anyone does it to my device, i demand they undo it when they're done	20:33
gomiam	Thanatermesis: it would be supposed to allow you tu su to root, and also USB networking	20:34
gomiam	Thanatermesis: of course	20:34
timeless	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667	20:34
timeless	=> \|tbb\|	20:34
gomiam	oncce you have your network configuration basics set up, go to Control Panel and Networks	20:34
gomiam	pretty colors, pretty colors, yay!	20:35
gomiam	XD	20:35
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Thanatermesis	su to root ? mmh... that's very good	20:35
timeless	you could also setup a better dhcp server, but yeah, it's not very hard to do from connection manager or whatever	20:35
Thanatermesis	what you mean per usb networking ?	20:36
gomiam	you can connect the N800 to a PC and use the USB connection to set a LAN	20:36
gomiam	so the PC could act as a router for the N800	20:36
gomiam	(and perhaps viceversa)	20:36
Thanatermesis	hum	20:36
Thanatermesis	and how the PC manages this connection ? needs to have a "service" running ?	20:37
timeless	thanatermesis: just worry about setting up the fixed ip address stuff first	20:37
gomiam	Thanatermesis: you would use the Share connection option	20:37
gomiam	so it would act as a router, but I've never tried it, actually	20:37
Thanatermesis	share connection ?	20:37
Thanatermesis	timeless, where ? in /etc/network/interfaces ?	20:38
gomiam	Thanatermesis: no, use the interface	20:38
timeless	gomaim: give him specific steps	20:38
gomiam	I gather you already have OS2008.	20:38
gomiam	Click on the four-dot icon, select "Ajustes" and then "Panel de control"	20:39
gomiam	(you got it in Spanish, right?)=	20:39
Thanatermesis	yep, let me see	20:39
gomiam	Then "Connectivity" ("Conectividad")	20:40
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gomiam	to open the connection manager, and then "Connections" ("Conexiones") to open your known connections list.	20:40
Thanatermesis	oh.. i found it, thx :)	20:41
gomiam	ok, so you know the rest of the way	20:41
\|tbb\|	timeless: thanks for the link, ive uncomment the line, long time ago but i still get no stereo sound on my a2dp headphone from motrolla ;(	20:41
gomiam	you are welcome	20:41
gomiam	Thanatermesis: do you read my query?	20:41
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\|tbb\|	anyone knows if it is possible to make a call from n810 to n800 with an adhoc connection for using it as a babyphone for example	20:42
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timeless	\|tbb\| the comment says you'd need to do a lot more than just changing one line	20:43
timeless	from talking to him, he basically explained what's written in that comment	20:43
timeless	namely to get it working fully they need to do some magic w/ the mixer	20:43
timeless	but they are working on it	20:43
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timeless	of course, they can't give commitments to dates	20:43
timeless	and i certainly can't since i'm not related to that project	20:43
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timeless	gah	20:45
* timeless hates trac		20:45
\|tbb\|	k hope the will release it soon, tbb thinks to replace his autoradio with n800	20:46
timeless	can someone help me try to edit http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/Audio ?	20:46
* timeless can't find the edit button		20:47
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* Tak <3 trac		20:47
timeless	tak: so, where's the edit button?	20:48
Tak	it looks like they have editing turned off for un-logged-in users	20:48
timeless	logged in as timeless	20:48
timeless	where's the edit button :)	20:48
Tak	I dunno; I'm not logged in :-P	20:49
timeless	where should it be? :)	20:49
\|tbb\|	anyone knows if its possible to make a call from n810 to n800 with an adhoc connection?	20:50
Tak	should be at the bottom	20:50
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Tak	http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/Audio?action=edit	20:51
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Tak	\|tbb\|: do the calls connect through a central server, or no?	20:52
\|tbb\|	not through a server	20:53
\|tbb\|	connection only between to devices	20:53
\|tbb\|	using it as babyphone, spycam whatever	20:53
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Vudentz_	timeless, what do you want to change in bluez wiki?	20:55
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timeless	vudentz: spellings mostly	20:57
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timeless	alsa=>ALSA, plugin=>plug-in, acheive=>achieve, enconding=>encoding, subdirectory=>sub-directory, Handsfree=>Hands-Free	20:58
Vudentz_	timeless, can you post the change you want, if they are big use a pastebin site	20:58
timeless	sure	20:58
timeless	diff form or just raw inline changes so you can diff?	20:58
Tak	does the ?action=edit link give you a permission error message?	20:58
Thanatermesis	timeless, i have installed capture-root, how i use it ?	20:59
Thanatermesis	i mean, in what consists ? i dont remember it	20:59
Vudentz_	timeless, just raw inline is good enough	20:59
timeless	thanatermesis: it only lets you install if you have a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys	20:59
timeless	once you've installed, you can ssh to root@device using any key that was accepted by that file	20:59
timeless	403 Forbidden (WIKI_MODIFY privileges are required to perform this operation)	21:00
gomiam	this penguin goes back home to keep fiddling with his Tablet	21:01
Vudentz_	we changed the wiki so only admins can edit it, there were some users abusing it	21:01
gomiam	have fun.	21:01
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* Tak nods		21:02
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Olof	does anyone have a download link for the latest firmware?	21:03
Olof	nokias server seems down..	21:03
gomiam	Olof: it doesn't seem to. It is	21:03
gomiam	overwhelmed at least	21:03
Olof	gomiam: ok :/	21:03
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Olof	if someone would get me the firmware i could put it a my server	21:04
Olof	at*	21:04
gomiam	there are some unofficial mirrors, but it would seem Nokia doesn't like that.	21:04
Olof	wouldnt care less about what nokia thinks	21:04
Olof	if they cant keep their own servers running its just nice that someone else are helping with that	21:05
timeless	vudentz_: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/270392	21:05
tontsa	which firmware are you after	21:05
Olof	tontsa: the latest for N800	21:05
Thanatermesis	what is the extra lines for sources.list of 2008 ?	21:05
timeless	(raw "text" version is at the bottom	21:05
tontsa	oh. i just have 810	21:05
timeless	note that because i can't edit it, i can't get the wikiversion	21:05
Olof	tontsa: ok :/, thanks anyway	21:05
gomiam	tontsa: they're the same, AFAIK	21:06
timeless	so what i have is what gecko converted the wiki into when i select all/copied	21:06
tontsa	gomian, they aren't	21:06
gomiam	tontsa: oh, ok.	21:06
tontsa	atleast md5sums differ	21:06
gomiam	Thanatermesis: extra is the repository for maemo.org, IIRC	21:06
gomiam	I'll have a look at it later at home, anyway	21:07
gomiam	have fun	21:07
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Thanatermesis	i mean unnoficial, i want to install ssh	21:07
Thanatermesis	and be f*** root	21:07
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timeless	the default repos include ssh as an installable	21:07
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timeless	http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=ssh.*debian/control	21:08
timeless	/openssh-3.8p1/debian/control	21:08
Thanatermesis	i don't see anything on that Packages manager GUI	21:08
Thanatermesis	only 6 packages available to install	21:08
timeless	hrm	21:09
* timeless wonders if it only includes the client		21:09
timeless	that'd suck	21:09
timeless	ok, i'm going	21:09
Thanatermesis	[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-build world	21:11
Thanatermesis	bash: apt-build: command not found	21:11
Thanatermesis	=)	21:11
Thanatermesis	ok... well, how i be root ?	21:11
Tak	hmm, is there a way to clone an sqlite3* instance?	21:11
* Thanatermesis turning crazy		21:11
skibur	what kinda of update is OS2008?	21:12
skibur	Its like the Beta Version	21:12
sp3000	Thanatermesis: enable the extras repo in the appmgr?	21:12
sp3000	or did you lose it somehow	21:13
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Thanatermesis	skibur, i think that's the no-beta version of chinook	21:13
sp3000	(not in the going crazy sense :P)	21:13
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Thanatermesis	sp3000, erf, now!, i can't have see that thing disabled (of course since im not root i can't edit sources.lsit...)	21:14
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ph\|ber	is tablets-dev.nokia.com down?	21:15
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Thanatermesis	nice! a lot of things to install now :]	21:17
tontsa	ph\|ber, their backend servers seem down. the frontend proxy still works :)	21:17
skibur	o I see	21:18
tontsa	too many geeks have bought the device	21:18
ph\|ber	sheet.	21:19
skibur	I hope that we will see some cool features on the next update like MORE Brightness levels.	21:19
ph\|ber	can someone put up the new os for the n810..	21:19
skibur	My burn when I us the nokia at night at the lowest setting	21:19
skibur	eyes	21:19
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sp3000	I think there might be a bug on that	21:20
tigert	N800?	21:20
unique311	Tak, AROUND?	21:21
Thanatermesis	sp3000, is there a problem with the "extra" repository or is my connection ? i can't download anything	21:21
sp3000	Thanatermesis: it's been intermittent	21:22
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tontsa	try every 15 minutes or so and eventually you get to those repos	21:22
tontsa	i have now happily installed openssh+becomeroot and own my device again :)	21:23
tontsa	also adblock plus seems to work lot better than in previous version	21:23
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ph\|ber	where are the main howtos?? like howto gain root etc??	21:29
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Atraii	ph\|ber http://maemo.org/community/wiki/	21:33
Atraii	to gain root i recommend installing the becomeroot package	21:33
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ph\|ber	Atraii: where would that be in the software lists?	21:37
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skibur	:)	21:50
skibur	hum...	21:50
skibur	anybody have Abiword deb for N800 - OS2008?	21:52
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flip^	my n800 doesn't seem to like the update to os2008 :(	21:53
skibur	?	21:53
skibur	why?	21:53
skibur	are you also restoring applications?	21:53
flip^	i've not even got that far	21:53
flip^	i hadn't updated to any of the betas or anything... os2007 before	21:53
skibur	you can't seem to flash it?	21:54
ph\|ber	shit.. i cant even download the new os..	21:54
* ph\|ber waits.		21:54
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flip^	i've flashed it...	21:54
flip^	now when i turn it on, i get the nokia logo, and little blue bar runs along the bottom, and then it just hangs	21:54
* flip^ has downloaded the image from another source now, and is going to try that		21:54
skibur	o I c	21:54
skibur	good luck	21:54
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Henry78	Hello ereybody	21:55
Henry78	just a short question: are the links to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ outdated?	21:56
skibur	kde on the Nokia N800/N810?	21:57
flip^	still hangs >.<	21:57
Henry78	kde on the n800? are you sure you want that?	21:58
skibur	if it runs smooth then yes	21:58
Vulc\|Bleh	it most likely will not.	21:58
tigert	does it make sense on a handheld? no.	21:59
skibur	why?	21:59
Henry78	yes. and it would be hard to tap on all the widgest.	21:59
tigert	eh, if your use of the device is "I play with it next to my laptop in my desk" then maybe	21:59
Vulc\|Bleh	nothing is really finger sized, either.	21:59
tigert	if you walk around chatting with your friends and surfing the web in the bus	21:59
Henry78	^^	21:59
tigert	then no	21:59
tigert	movable windows and that stuff do not really make any sense in a small screen	22:00
Vulc\|Bleh	also, the OSK would be fairly sucky	22:00
tigert	it probably "works" ok	22:00
skibur	hum... so Qtopia should be alot better	22:00
tigert	I mean, we compiled and ran enlightenment on N800	22:00
tigert	it worked reasonably ok	22:00
tigert	but similarly	22:00
tigert	it didnt make any sense except for the novelty value	22:00
tigert	not even hack value	22:00
tigert	since it was just configure; make; make install -easy	22:01
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Henry78	me question again: is there another source for the flasher and os2008? tablets-dev.nokia.com doesn't work	22:01
Vulc\|Bleh	nothing will amaze me more than Quake2 multiplayer on the n800.	22:01
Henry78	gg	22:01
skibur	hum...	22:01
Vulc\|Bleh	Which is... Not that laggy, the times I've used it.	22:01
skibur	yes	22:01
skibur	henry78	22:01
Henry78	so...	22:01
skibur	checking	22:03
Henry78	nice	22:03
skibur	I using 770 version	22:04
skibur	I'm	22:04
flip^	Henry78: ITT has loads of mirrors, but so far the two i've downloaded have left my n800 hanging and not booting :(	22:04
Henry78	hu!	22:05
konttori	hey, anyone who has recently flashed, can you try to install ukmp from the .install link?	22:05
konttori	http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/ukmp/	22:05
konttori	I just want to know whether all needed repositories are in the .install file	22:05
konttori	so, as vanilla as possible is good candidate.	22:06
Henry78	i thought it is a very genric, easy and straight-forware procedure to install the os2008	22:06
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skibur	http://www.opendrivers.com/freedownload/237639/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-software-update-wizard-os-2007-edition-v.3.2007.10-7-windows-2000-xp-download.html	22:06
tigert	Henry78: nothing wrong with the procedure. its just that everyone seems to be wanting to download them at once	22:06
skibur	I used that one	22:06
skibur	yeah	22:06
skibur	I have it already	22:07
ph\|ber	the ukmp better than the kagu?	22:07
Henry78	ok, I just try it.	22:07
skibur	I downloaded it from this person. It was zipped at 110MB	22:07
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skibur	15 mins to download	22:07
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skibur	brb	22:10
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konttori	ph\|ber: they are different. I'd say canola is better than either of them.	22:27
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sbaturzio	Aloha!	22:33
Henry78	canola looks nice, i'll give it a try	22:33
Henry78	see ya	22:33
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ph\|ber	konttori: did you get canola on the n810?	22:34
konttori	well, I have tested it	22:34
ph\|ber	i tried the download... wouldnt install	22:35
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sven-tek	hi! my n800 with os2008 just began to reboot sometimes. It happens with not interaction. And so it did right about now.	22:40
konttori	I only tested it with indt device	22:40
konttori	canola 2 is not out yet. hopefully they will get it out soon though.	22:41
konttori	in the meanwhile, use ukmp	22:41
sven-tek	hi konttori, i like your converter and audio player :-)	22:41
konttori	thanks	22:41
sven-tek	its me to say thanks :-)	22:42
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Tepa^^^	I cannot download scratchbox or sdk installer script from here http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html Can somebody tell me another location from where to download?	22:44
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fnordage_	you could try the vmware image. it is over 1GB but at least it isn't on maemo.org :-)	22:47
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L0cutusM	Tepa^^^, wait few days, all are downloading os2008 these days ;)	22:51
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maddler	evening all! :D	22:52
maddler	locutussulo! :D	22:53
maddler	off topic: any good suggestion for a virtual server provider?	22:53
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dick-richardson	is there a changelog somewhere for the os2008 release?	23:00
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fnordage_	maddler: try "rimu hosting". i found their name so funny, I gave them a go, and they are good and cheap	23:02
maddler	fnordage_: thx...	23:03
ph\|ber	maddler: hostgator	23:03
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maddler	ph\|ber: thx :)	23:03
ph\|ber	yeop	23:03
ph\|ber	you already on them??	23:04
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ph\|ber	or have heard of them?	23:04
elpaso	Hi, anybody knows the icon size for the .desktop file?	23:04
* sp3000 plays the end user experience game with tablets-dev.n.c		23:04
elpaso	In maemo 4 is bigger than before?	23:04
ph\|ber	shit.. i wish nokia would kick their servers in the rear	23:04
sp3000	16 requests, I already have 4 out of 6	23:05
maddler	ph\|ber: heard of them... but never tried...	23:05
* sp3000 is still missing the file table, and the image		23:05
ph\|ber	i host there.. really fast pipes and cheap for what you get.	23:05
sp3000	s/table/table (second pass, not cached)/	23:06
fnordage_	its just one big DDOS at the mo ;)	23:06
ph\|ber	i get like a tb of space and tb of transfer a month for like 9 bucks.	23:06
maddler	elpaso: are you from Turin?	23:06
elpaso	No, monza	23:06
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maddler	elpaso: oh... ok? :)	23:06
maddler	elpaso: your name misleaded me :)	23:06
elpaso	maddler: Why?	23:06
fnordage_	maddler: rimu give virtual root servers if that's what you're after	23:07
fnordage_	well, rent, not give	23:07
maddler	fnordage_: exactly...	23:07
maddler	:)	23:07
ph\|ber	anyone have probs downloading through the wireless????	23:07
maddler	elpaso: there is a squat in Torino... El Paso :)	23:07
ph\|ber	trying to dl openssh says 687kb but taking forever.	23:08
elpaso	maddler: I will move to Piedmont next June	23:08
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mgedmin	so, os2008 final is out and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com appears to be completely slashdotted	23:08
blithe	Woo! Finally got my n800!	23:09
mgedmin	can't nokia afford decent bandwidth?	23:09
* blithe does a little dance.		23:09
ph\|ber	shit.. figures....	23:09
ph\|ber	no wonder i cant get to it.	23:09
* mgedmin grumbles about corporate paranoia and scalability of torrents		23:09
jeff1f	is there a torrent?	23:09
ph\|ber	the /. effect sucks.	23:09
mgedmin	no, nokia is paranoid and requires your device ID before it lets you to download the image (slowly)	23:09
ph\|ber	they should mirror everything they write on.	23:10
fnordage_	they should write on mirrors	23:10
ph\|ber	and you are linked to their mirror.	23:10
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angrymg	mirror-writing is hard to read	23:10
fnordage_	redrum redrum redrum	23:10
fnordage_	i can't even install nano, and it's tiny	23:12
ph\|ber	i could just kick /. in the ding ding	23:14
fnordage_	probably quicker to fetch the source and compile it myself	23:15
blithe	Are the maemo repos down for anyone else right now?	23:16
ph\|ber	slow at best.	23:16
ph\|ber	blithe: .	23:16
* angrymg used 'slashdotted' metaphorically, and now wonders if slashdot really linked to tablets-dev.nokia.com		23:16
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ph\|ber	angrymg: i thought you were serious.	23:16
angrymg	I was	23:16
angrymg	'slashdotted' to me means 'melted down under heavy load following an announcement of some kind'	23:16
angrymg	and I mean 'melted down' metaphorically, again	23:17
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ph\|ber	is there a repo for canola for the 810?	23:21
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blithe	Anyone know where I can get additional keyboard layouts for an n800?	23:38
skibur	I'm back	23:38
halley	CompUSA?	23:39
* halley ducks.		23:39
skibur	lol	23:39
timely	blithe: the wikis probably list a couple, do you really want a random layout	23:39
skibur	rocks!	23:39
timely	or do you have a specific one in mind?	23:39
timely	,pst [ep[;e dpm	23:39
timely	^ that	23:39
blithe	I need a dvoark layout.	23:39
* sp3000 took a break and is now at http request #18		23:39
timely	's a key layout	23:39
skibur	skibur throws rocks at halley	23:39
timely	sp3000: nice	23:39
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blithe	dvorak rather	23:39
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Jaffa	tigert: it's interesting what you say about movable windows on handheld (rather than laptop or desktop) computers: I completely agree and have found the movable home applets on OS2008 a right pain for moving when I don't want them (as well as the bug where they don't move when you do want them to)	23:40
skibur	hacking is all I know	23:40
Webspot	Does anyone have a mirror of flasher-3.0? I can't really get to it on nokia servers at the moment, with the mass demand for os2008.	23:40
Jaffa	BTW, 800x480 background for people who want an iPhone: http://xs222.xs.to/xs222/07512/Peni.png	23:40
sp3000	Jaffa: yeah, not having a checkitem in the menu toplevel to lock items is weird	23:40
halley	Jaffa, is that a "free" image?	23:40
Jaffa	hally: it's not the iPhones directly. It's something similar done by someone else AFAICT	23:41
* Jaffa makes no guarantees blah blah blah. But given all the OS2008 firmware image download URLs knocking about, (c) violation of a picture should be the least of this channel's worries ;-)		23:41
Jaffa	sp3000: agreed, "lock layout" would be really handy	23:42
youam	Webspot: one second	23:43
Webspot	youam: Cheers	23:43
timely	sp3000: we refuse to emulate the good features from windows	23:43
timely	:)	23:43
FMz	So, does anyone know when the planned release date of OS2008 for n800 is?	23:43
sp3000	FMz: uh, today	23:44
fnordage_	when the servers start working	23:44
FMz	o_O	23:44
angrymg	timely: take the one from gnome then	23:44
halley	So, does anyone know when the bot will be given ops to kick those who ask for the planned release of OS2008?	23:44
sp3000	FMz: welcome to 11 hours ago :P	23:44
tigert	Jaffa: yeah	23:44
halley	;)	23:44
tigert	Jaffa: one does kinda want to arrange the home applets though	23:44
Jaffa	tigert: not all the time though	23:44
* angrymg already downloaded an amazing 7 megs of the new os2008 image in just 45 minutes!!!		23:44
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timely	halley++	23:45
tigert	Jaffa: but I agree - it is a bit nasty. there is a move threshold though so they shouldnt move too easily	23:45
tigert	but its a bit painful, I kno	23:45
tigert	w	23:45
FMz	halley: I have checked on the maemo website every day for a week, and hadn't seen anything on there about it, also the Nokia site. I figured someone here would be able to give an answer faster than doing 2 hours of searching.	23:45
sp3000	tigert: so windows toolbars in various places have had draggable handles and a lock in the context menu forever	23:45
Jaffa	tigert: are there internal bugs?	23:45
Anastasia	Anyone got this as a torrent yet, I have been spinning for quite some time now with the page still not loading :-(.	23:45
timely	Jaffa: they're not worth reading	23:45
flip^	hmm, seems a memory card was corrupt that stopped it from booting :S... os2007 was fine	23:45
tigert	Jaffa: about this?	23:45
Jaffa	tigert: yeah	23:46
Jaffa	or whether I should raise an RFE	23:46
youam	would it be possible to upgrade via the programm manager thingy / apt-get if the servers where available?	23:46
tigert	Jaffa: will have to check	23:46
timely	Jaffa: file it	23:46
youam	(from the latest beta, that is)	23:46
Anastasia	Err, the links finally loaded, it looks like it is for the n810 rather than the n800?	23:46
tigert	Jaffa: but file it yeah	23:46
timely	it doesn't matter whether an internal exists	23:46
timely	what matters is that an external must exist	23:46
* Jaffa offers it around as his karma's pretty good ATM ;)		23:47
tigert	youam: no	23:47
timely	heh	23:47
sp3000	Jaffa: ...what thy said, the external bugzilla is a fine todo tool for people to check for internal bugs	23:47
sp3000	they even	23:47
Jaffa	indeed	23:47
sp3000	I use it :P	23:47
youam	tontsa: too bad. why not?	23:47
tigert	sp3000: yeap	23:48
youam	s/tontsa/tigert/ argh	23:48
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tigert	:)	23:48
tigert	youam: because it is not tested	23:48
dragorn	Anyone know if this means they've unlocked the navkit for 2008?	23:49
tigert	we suck :) but maybe someday it will work	23:49
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timely	tigert: are changelogs considered public?	23:49
sp3000	hey, the final downloads twice as fast as the beta did	23:49
sp3000	improvement!	23:49
* timely tries to figure out why someone would want to read a global changeset delta		23:49
youam	tigert: argh. welcome back in the early nineties of linux distributions	23:49
timely	sp3000: really?	23:49
timely	2K/s instead of 1K/s ?	23:49
sp3000	(that's, uh, 2.5h vs 5h)	23:49
tigert	youam: I know	23:49
FMz	Jaffa: Are you going to host it somewhere?	23:49
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Jaffa	FMz: what?	23:50
sp3000	so 14 vs 7 :)	23:50
halley	I need to find/work out a good pygame-hildon wrapper, such that the minimize/windowcaption/dbus junk is taken care of cleanly.	23:50
Anastasia	Is this the right page for the n800?: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php	23:50
dragorn	youam: because the kernel and initfs are different portions of the flash. those aside, it's unfortunate that the user portion isn't more easily upgradeable	23:50
tigert	youam: in theory it might, but I think a) the non-free packages do not exist on repo's and b) nobody has tested it	23:50
timely	Anastasia: "no"	23:50
sp3000	Anastasia: look at the part before .php	23:50
FMz	Jaffa: I saw you say "I'll offer it around"... thought you might be hosting... ;)	23:50
sp3000	the N810 part specifically	23:50
timely	tigert: last i checked non-free indeed do not exist on repositories	23:50
tigert	timely: then only b) applies I guess	23:51
youam	tigert: i think i don't want most of the non-free anyway ;)	23:51
Anastasia	timely: I am confuzed, I think I'll wait until this gets sorted out and will download in less than 2 day :-). Thanks.	23:51
tigert	timely: or wait	23:51
tigert	I read wrong	23:51
tigert	yeah	23:51
sp3000	Anastasia: you want http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php for N800	23:51
Jaffa	FMz: I meant, I'll offer the chance to raise the "there should be a way of locking home applets positions" bug around, to gain extra karma which'll contribute to some future N900/N820 device programme, if such a device - and such a programme - exists.	23:51
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FMz	Jaffa: Ahh, k... sorry for the misunderstandin mate	23:51
Jaffa	FMz: no probs	23:51
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timely	FMz: as far as we're concerned mirroring is forbidden	23:52
timely	An error occurred while processing your request.	23:52
timely	Reference #97.d1a4f57.1198014644.259b37df	23:52
sp3000	he'll host the bug on bugzilla, that's what ;)	23:52
timely	sp3000, how's that for a root page? :)	23:52
dragorn	mininova seems to have torrents	23:52
FMz	timely: May I ask why?	23:52
sp3000	timely, I have several more of those	23:52
* angrymg got Reference #97.d1a4f57.1198014445.25945c2a		23:52
angrymg	feels like a lottery	23:52
timely	FMz: you're free to ask, but the answer is on a page i can't read	23:52
angrymg	what's the winning ticket?	23:52
Anastasia	Argh, another hour waiting for the n800 page to load, sigh.	23:52
Jaffa	I'd guess at licencing of third party software - primarily Flash now, I guess.	23:53
sp3000	oh, actually, I kept two, and then got bored and started just counting requests without copypaste	23:53
FMz	timely: Ahhh... k.	23:53
procto	anyone know if Carman runs on OS2008?	23:53
timely	sp3000: heh, i printed my previous error page	23:53
timely	i figure i'll frame it	23:53
timely	maybe outside ferenc's office :)	23:53
sp3000	I got through the obstacle course of front page, mac form, agreement form, file list, md5sums, file list again, image in just 20 requests it turns out	23:54
timely	sp3000: do you have a cache for those things?	23:54
sp3000	hmm which things?	23:54
timely	probably agreemoent form	23:55
timely	s/oe/e/	23:55
infobot	timely meant: probably agreement form	23:55
sp3000	I think they mostly don't like to be cached	23:55
timely	ok, would the next person who sees that form please keep a copy? :)	23:55
sp3000	(hence the file list twice)	23:56
felipec	there are some torrents for N8x0	23:56
dragorn	timely: Which form are you looking for?	23:57
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timely	the agreement that you have to click through to get the file	23:57
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Anastasia	An error occurred while processing your request. - might be worth waiting on...	23:59
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dragorn	ah. I'm just trying to get the md5 for the 810 image actually.	23:59

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