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| |tbb| | is the navigation software for os2008 available right now | 00:13 |
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| timeless | |tbb|: it's part of the flash image | 00:21 |
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| timeless | although from what i understand some paid feature is not currently available | 00:21 |
| timeless | i think that's the audio guidance or something | 00:21 |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to use it with n800 | 00:23 |
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| jeremym | anyone here familiar with maemo mapper? | 00:51 |
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| jeremym | I would like to get it to talk to a file (/tmp/nmeaNP) . It only seems to want to talk bluetooth. | 00:52 |
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| GNUton | hi! | 00:54 |
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| lardman|home | soooo, does the week start on a Sunday or a Monday...? | 01:03 |
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| tontsa | that depends on culture | 01:04 |
| lardman|home | for the Finnish, or Spaniards who work for Finnish companies? | 01:04 |
| lardman|home | anyway, my code didn't work when I tried it an hour ago | 01:06 |
| |tbb| | gimme the code i will try it for u ;) | 01:07 |
| lardman|home | N0tAchAnCe | 01:08 |
| lardman|home | but thanks for the offer :) | 01:08 |
| tontsa | weeks start on mondays in finland | 01:08 |
| tontsa | like it's week 51 now | 01:08 |
| derf | They said it would become active next week, but not _when_ during the week. | 01:09 |
| lardman|home | that's true, it's tomorrow over there isn't it | 01:09 |
| lardman|home | derf: I know, wishful thinking | 01:09 |
| tontsa | 1am in monday right now | 01:09 |
| derf | Presumably you'll get e-mail. | 01:10 |
| lardman|home | good point | 01:10 |
| lardman|home | derf: I sidestepped the issues with memcpy() (though I still can't memcpy), now tweaking _checksum() to work with 16bit bytes | 01:11 |
| dragorn | jeremym: the latest version has file support | 01:12 |
| dragorn | jeremym: though I haven't tried it | 01:12 |
| tontsa | i wonder why nokia offers fm-radio app to n810.. or is there actually some special headset that works as antenna | 01:15 |
| timeless | anyone here use modest? | 01:16 |
| timeless | http://www.wirelessgalaxy.com/headsets/productdetails.asp?productid=102 | 01:16 |
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| * timeless wonders what that means (in English) | 01:17 | |
| Sho_ | timeless: The repos is per-OS, not per-Device, I guess | 01:17 |
| Sho_ | tontsa, that is | 01:17 |
| timeless | sho: i wasn't wondering :) | 01:17 |
| timeless | and while the repo is per os | 01:17 |
| timeless | you can easily make a package that means "n800" | 01:17 |
| timeless | and depend on the n800 package | 01:17 |
| Sho_ | timeless: Sorry, tab completion that completes to the most recently active user for the given prefix ;) | 01:17 |
| timeless | or better, make a package that provides "hardware-camera" and "hardware-fmradio" | 01:18 |
| timeless | and depend on that | 01:18 |
| timeless | sho: lesson learned, don't rely on tab completion ;-) | 01:18 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 01:19 | |
| * timeless can't reach nokia.com | 01:19 | |
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| tontsa | i think that HDD-1 is discontinued for some reason | 01:22 |
| tontsa | atleast nokia.fi can't find the product anymore | 01:23 |
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| tontsa | not that either n800 or n810 product specs advertise fm-radio | 01:25 |
| tontsa | ohh.. in n800 it's "hidden" | 01:27 |
| tontsa | pity they changed that to lousy gps-radio in n810 :) | 01:30 |
| tontsa | i finally found out what was killing bluetooth connection, it's the os2008 built-in mail client | 01:31 |
| tontsa | everytime my mailbox had more than 3 or 4 messages, everything would get really slow and eventually bluetooth would be dropped | 01:31 |
| tontsa | although n810 still thought the bluetooth connection is on | 01:31 |
| lardman|home | what's 0^0? | 01:33 |
| tontsa | ? | 01:33 |
| lardman|home | should be 1 | 01:33 |
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| lardman|home | debugging crc code | 01:33 |
| tontsa | glad i'm not into math | 01:33 |
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| tontsa | looks like an emoticon for non math guy | 01:34 |
| lardman|home | :) | 01:34 |
| lardman|home | I'm not having much luck with it, can't quite work out what's causing a bus error | 01:34 |
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| lardman|home | wierd, something in this is causing the bus error: crc_lookup[((crc_reg >> 24)&0xff)^data[j]] | 01:37 |
| lardman|home | but crc_lookup[0] works and =0 | 01:37 |
| lardman|home | and ((crc_reg >> 24)&0xff)^data[j] also works and =0 | 01:37 |
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| timeless | tontsa: you don't like 4=1+1+1? | 01:45 |
| tontsa | what's there to like | 01:46 |
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| timeless | lardman, there are two operations "^", if you have a decent browser, you can ask it: javascript:[0^0,Math.pow(0,0)] -- 0,1 | 01:47 |
| lardman|home | timeless: Octave tells me 1, as expected | 01:48 |
| timeless | typically in cs, the first one is what ^ is, and the second one has the other meaning | 01:48 |
| timeless | s/the other meaning/some other notation/ | 01:48 |
| infobot | timeless meant: typically in cs, the first one is what ^ is, and the second one has some other notation | 01:48 |
| timeless | javascript:(3^1)==2 | 01:49 |
| timeless | true | 01:49 |
| lardman|home | interesting | 01:49 |
| timeless | in cs, ^ = exclusive or | 01:49 |
| lardman|home | ah, I see | 01:49 |
| timeless | (bitwise) | 01:49 |
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| lardman|home | in C I assume it's still pow() | 01:50 |
| timeless | along w/ | and & | 01:50 |
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| timeless | no | 01:50 |
| timeless | c, js, just about every "normal" language uses it for bitwise | 01:50 |
| tontsa | ** is the math equilevant | 01:50 |
| timeless | some languages use ** for the math equivalent | 01:50 |
| timeless | some don't | 01:50 |
| timeless | (js doesn't) | 01:50 |
| lardman|home | aah, I use MATLAB too much | 01:50 |
| fysa | what's needed to get videocenter going on os2008? | 01:51 |
| timeless | anyway, in general, assume that js is close enough to C | 01:51 |
| lardman|home | makes more sense being a logical operation than raising to a power | 01:51 |
| timeless | js can easily be evaluated in most web browsers, as demo'd above | 01:51 |
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| timeless | http://silver.warwickcompsoc.co.uk/mozilla/misc/nserror | 01:53 |
| timeless | is an example of heavy abuse of creatures | 01:53 |
| timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/nsError/shlr.pl | 01:53 |
| timeless | is probably relevant | 01:53 |
| lardman|home | very strange, I can't do this: temp_index=0; crc_lookup[temp_index], but can do this: (ogg_uint32_t)*(&crc_lookup + temp_index) | 01:54 |
| timeless | << is typically how one encounters Math.pow | 01:54 |
| timeless | can't=compile error? | 01:54 |
| timeless | what's the type for crc_lookup? | 01:54 |
| lardman|home | produces a bus error | 01:54 |
| lardman|home | ogg_uint32_t | 01:54 |
| timeless | for crc_lookup? | 01:55 |
| lardman|home | the DSP compiler doesn't like using arrays to access memory it seems | 01:55 |
| lardman|home | yes, crc_lookup is an array of ogg_uint32_t | 01:55 |
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| timeless | 120 typedef __u32 uint32_t; | 01:56 |
| timeless | that just means it's a number, no? | 01:56 |
| timeless | not a pointer? | 01:56 |
| lardman|home | it's just a number, 32bit unsigned | 01:56 |
| timeless | why would you expect 4[5] to do something useful? | 01:56 |
| lardman|home | crc_lookup is an array of 256 elements | 01:57 |
| timeless | oddly, int y; int *x=&y; 0[x]; does something useful | 01:57 |
| timeless | gah, what's the type of the token |crc_lookup| | 01:57 |
| timeless | the whole type, not the type of something related to it | 01:57 |
| nomis | the [] operator is commutative, i.e. a[b] = b[a] | 01:58 |
| timeless | nomis: depends on the language :) | 01:58 |
| timeless | in js, it isn't :) | 01:58 |
| lardman|home | ah, it's an array of ogg_uint32_t, so it's a pointer I suppose | 01:58 |
| * nomis is talking C. Ok. :) | 01:58 | |
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| * lardman|home is also talking C | 01:58 | |
| * timeless frowns | 01:58 | |
| timeless | a bus error, eh? | 01:59 |
| timeless | only on arm, i'm assuming? | 01:59 |
| lardman|home | dsp | 01:59 |
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| skibur | seinor | 01:59 |
| cbx33 | hey all I just updated my howto for maemo 4.0 | 01:59 |
| cbx33 | i think my blog was linked from a bot kb here | 02:00 |
| timeless | what do you mean dsp? | 02:00 |
| lardman|home | the other curious thing is that although I shouldn't need the & in there, I need to put it in | 02:00 |
| cbx33 | if anyone wants to update it give me a shout | 02:00 |
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| timeless | cbx33: "infobot" is "the last bot standing" | 02:00 |
| lardman|home | timeless: Ti C55 DSP | 02:00 |
| cbx33 | timeless, http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 | 02:00 |
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| timeless | cbx33: i don't own the bot, if you can figure out how to operate it, ... i suppose you're the channel's guest :) | 02:01 |
| dragorn | if crc_lookup is an array, then crc_lookup is a pointer to the first element, so foo[4] should be equivalent to *(foo + 4); | 02:01 |
| cbx33 | infobot | 02:01 |
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| dragorn | (ogg_uint32_t)*(&crc_lookup + temp_index) is just... weird badness. :P | 02:01 |
| timeless | lardman: are you using make or gcc directly? | 02:01 |
| timeless | in gecko, i'd use make foo.i | 02:02 |
| nomis | dragorn: which in turn is equivalent to *(4 + foo) and hence is the same as 4[foo] :) | 02:02 |
| dragorn | nomis: but we proved a while ago with whatever weirdass compiler he's using for the DSP, no, it's not :P | 02:02 |
| dragorn | nomis: at least, last week, his compiler threw bounds errors on multi-page maps for array[foo] but not *(array + foo) | 02:02 |
| timeless | lardman: try something like: | 02:02 |
| timeless | gcc -E -o foo.i foopy.c | 02:02 |
| dragorn | timeless: it's not gcc, afaik | 02:03 |
| dragorn | which explains the very weird compiler behavior | 02:03 |
| timeless | what is it? | 02:03 |
| timeless | some ti compiler? | 02:03 |
| cbx33 | timeless, was just letting people know its there and updated ;) | 02:03 |
| nomis | dragorn: ok. I was just so amazed when I learned that 4[foo] thing some time ago, that I cannot stop talking about it ;) | 02:03 |
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| dragorn | nomis: I'm confused by that and not entirely sure it would work, unless the compiler has explicit support for that linguistic structure. It might for some data types. | 02:04 |
| timeless | so, this is a "special" compiler? | 02:04 |
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| nomis | dragorn: I tried it in GCC and it not even triggers a warning. | 02:04 |
| dragorn | timeless: afaik, but I'm letting lardman answer since he's actually dealing with it, I jsut remember previous conversations. | 02:04 |
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| lardman_ | re | 02:04 |
| dragorn | nomis: it must have a language construct for it to inherit the 'foo' type | 02:04 |
| dragorn | lardman: This isn't gcc, is it? | 02:05 |
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| lardman_ | no, it's a Ti compiler | 02:05 |
| timeless | lardman: look for something equivalent to -E | 02:05 |
| nomis | dragorn: no, not really. It really boils down to the *(4 + foo), which is the usual (commutative) pointer arithmetics inside the parentheses. | 02:05 |
| timeless | -E is basically "preprocess, and dump the resulting stuff, but don't compile | 02:05 |
| dragorn | nomis: since the subscript size is determined by the array type, it's got to somehow figure out the right additive at compile time | 02:05 |
| nomis | dragorn: well one argument has to boil down to some integer, otherwise pointer arithmetics won't work. | 02:06 |
| dragorn | nomis: ah, yes. I see, I was being stupid about my pointer addition | 02:06 |
| dragorn | nomis: I believe technically foo[4] expands to *(foo + (sizeof(foo) * 4)) | 02:06 |
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| lardman_ | If I declare crc_lookup[256], I can access crc_lookup[0] (i.e. explicit constant 0), but if the index is a variable I need to do *(&crc_lookup + some_var) | 02:07 |
| dragorn | nomis: vs. *(foo + 4) which is whatever the native pointer type is (uint32 probably) and 4 bytes | 02:07 |
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| lardman_ | I also have to do *(&crc_lookup + some_var) rather than the expected *(crc_lookup + some_var) | 02:07 |
| dragorn | lardman: that seems very broken, since you're dereferencing the address of a pointer plus a number | 02:07 |
| nomis | dragorn: right, pointer arithmetics takes the size of the type the pointer points to into account. | 02:08 |
| lardman_ | dragorn: the compiler should accept both &crc_lookup and crc_lookup as pointers though | 02:08 |
| lardman_ | addresses even | 02:08 |
| nomis | so if you have uint8 foo[5]; foo + 3 will point to the fourth array element. | 02:08 |
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| timeless | you really shouldn't use x for x=2**y as an example number | 02:08 |
| timeless | it can easily lead to confusion | 02:08 |
| dragorn | nomis: yeah. I'm confusing myself at this time. :) | 02:09 |
| dragorn | s/time/point/ | 02:09 |
| infobot | dragorn meant: nomis: yeah. I'm confusing myself at this point. :) | 02:09 |
| dragorn | f'ing infobot. | 02:09 |
| timeless | dragorn: leave off the trailing / | 02:09 |
| dragorn | Wonder if we can feed it a nice long regex and make it go away for a while :P | 02:09 |
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| timeless | infobot will ignore you, the humans who speak regexp will accept it | 02:10 |
| dragorn | lardman: where is crc_lookup defined | 02:10 |
| MrZaius | sorry if this is borderline off topic, but I know there's a dozen or more people in the room that could answer this without thinking: does the n800 ship with two styluses like the n770 did, or should I buy spares along with the device? | 02:10 |
| tontsa | n810 shipped atleast with two | 02:11 |
| * nomis says something long and winded, trying to confuse the regex mechanism of infobot | 02:11 | |
| nomis | s/(((.*)*)*)*n$/buh/ | 02:11 |
| lardman_ | dragorn: in the same file | 02:11 |
| nomis | either it did work or infobot did not understand it :) | 02:11 |
| lardman_ | as a global const | 02:12 |
| timeless | afaik, the 770,n800 and n810 all ship w/ 2 | 02:12 |
| timeless | one in the device and one in the plastic packaging | 02:12 |
| nomis | is infobot still allive? | 02:12 |
| MrZaius | sweet | 02:12 |
| MrZaius | thanks timel | 02:12 |
| nomis | s/allive/alive/ | 02:12 |
| infobot | nomis meant: is infobot still alive? | 02:12 |
| timeless | but that's ok, you'll lose both :) | 02:12 |
| MrZaius | timeless, rather | 02:12 |
| nomis | Mhpf. | 02:12 |
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| timeless | mrzaius: i respond to both timely and timeless | 02:13 |
| MrZaius | kept my n770 stylus for the 6 months it took to break the headphone jack | 02:13 |
| timeless | although i tend to insult irc clients that get stuck between :) | 02:13 |
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| lardman_ | hmm, well at least the checksum code actually works now and returns something, shame it's not what the ogg file thinks it should be :) | 02:13 |
| timeless | how'd you break the headphone jack? | 02:13 |
| MrZaius | http://www.styluscentral.com/fisbulspacpe.html oooooh..... just in case, should buy that | 02:13 |
| MrZaius | timeless: wrapping the headphone chord a little to tight around the device, i'd imagine | 02:14 |
| MrZaius | wiggled a little and now is just mono, unless you hold it just right | 02:14 |
| MrZaius | easy to fix if you know how to use a soldering iron, I'm told | 02:14 |
| MrZaius | but I don't, so I didn't | 02:14 |
| MrZaius | nice excuse for an upgrade | 02:14 |
| timeless | mrzaius: did you at least inform nokia cares? | 02:15 |
| timeless | (or was it nokia care?) | 02:15 |
| MrZaius | timeless: nah | 02:15 |
| MrZaius | picked up a dedicated music player instead | 02:15 |
| timeless | mrzaius: afaik they keep records about such things, so knowing that it happens is feedback to the hardware designers | 02:15 |
| timeless | which is appreciated | 02:15 |
| MrZaius | the OS2007 media player took too long to generate playlists off a 2gb rs-mmc card | 02:15 |
| MrZaius | and it ate up batteries | 02:16 |
| lardman_ | bed time, see you all on the morrow | 02:16 |
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| timeless | mrzaius: think of all the future users! :) | 02:16 |
| MrZaius | but the next owner very well might | 02:16 |
| MrZaius | i'll pass along your concern - bet he'll get it fixed | 02:16 |
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| MrZaius | I just couldn't be without a pda that long, so ordered the n800 which arrives tomorrow | 02:17 |
| MrZaius | and selling the n770 tonight | 02:17 |
| MrZaius | my wife's an author, and she'd kill me in my sleep if I couldn't read ebooks | 02:17 |
| MrZaius | and they don't look right on my bigger displays | 02:17 |
| * timeless hasn't really found any device that displays ebooks "well" | 02:18 | |
| MrZaius | my zaurus and n770 did just fine | 02:18 |
| timeless | i've used an eink (?), 770,n800,n810,n81, windows w/ msreader | 02:18 |
| MrZaius | the trick is to do bright green text on a black background | 02:18 |
| MrZaius | extremely high contrast | 02:18 |
| MrZaius | very easy on the eyes | 02:18 |
| MrZaius | and in the dark | 02:18 |
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| timeless | you mean like the apple ii c/e? :) | 02:19 |
| MrZaius | never gotten my hands on eInk, although I would likely have purchased the amazon one if it hadn't been so badly drm encumbered | 02:19 |
| MrZaius | yup | 02:19 |
| MrZaius | precisely | 02:19 |
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| MrZaius | give it a shot - you might be surprised how well it works | 02:19 |
| MrZaius | in the dark I can set the backlight to the lowest setting I can use w/o touching text files | 02:19 |
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| MrZaius | and it's still crystal clear | 02:19 |
| MrZaius | and the battery lasts a good long while like that, as you'd imagine | 02:20 |
| rhykin | how is the os2008 beta on n800? | 02:20 |
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| * timeless shrugs | 02:21 | |
| timeless | i never found enough ebook content to use on my internet tablets | 02:22 |
| timeless | i found more content for my n81 | 02:22 |
| timeless | (mobireader?) | 02:22 |
| timeless | anyway, nighttime | 02:23 |
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| n800user | Does anyone else have osso-media-server taking ~78 megs of ram? | 03:08 |
| doc|work | o.O | 03:08 |
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| n800user | Yeah, pretty insane memory hog... | 03:09 |
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| n800user | Is there a way to reduce the memory consumption that it takes? I noticed os2008 seems to be very bloated. | 03:10 |
| Jiten | sounds like it leaks or then that's mostly virtual memory consumption. | 03:12 |
| n800user | This is directly after starting up. | 03:13 |
| n800user | All I've done is to start the tablet, open up xterm, then run top. | 03:14 |
| Jiten | what does it show for used, free, cached and buffers? | 03:21 |
| n800user | Mem: 121788K used, 5040k free, 0K shrd, 23044K buff, 37788K cached | 03:25 |
| n800user | Maybe I'll just wait for the official firmware, but everyone has mentioned the speed increase (which I did notice) but it also feels like there's too much stuff loaded into memory | 03:28 |
| zerojay | Don't worry about memory. | 03:28 |
| zerojay | Besides, if less memory is used, it just means it's wasted anyways. | 03:28 |
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| Jiten | I wouldn't call it wasted. Linux kernel tends to make pretty good use of it. | 03:29 |
| n800user | I'm just concerned that the tablet loads so much just for startup. Maybe it's unwarrented but I'm curious to why is uses so much | 03:29 |
| Jiten | top isn't really a reliable measure of the real memory usage. | 03:30 |
| n800user | I have all the applets disabled, and am not running anything besides top within xterm | 03:30 |
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| n800user | Jiten, is there another way to measure performance? | 03:32 |
| Jiten | from those values, it's quite clear that the system is only using around 61 megabytes of memory. | 03:32 |
| n800user | Since it should throw out the memory from buff and cached when needed? | 03:33 |
| smackpotato | it uses as much as possible for caches | 03:33 |
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| Jiten | however, you really don't want the caches to drop to near 0. It causes very noticeable slowdown of the system. | 03:36 |
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| skibur | is there an rss feed link for maemo updates? | 03:53 |
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| lopz | bye | 05:50 |
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| ScisserFeind | hello | 05:52 |
| ScisserFeind | is any one active here? | 05:52 |
| skibur | nope | 05:52 |
| ScisserFeind | shame | 05:52 |
| skibur | everybody asleep | 05:52 |
| ScisserFeind | cuz I was hoping maybe someone could helpme with something | 05:52 |
| ScisserFeind | perhaps? | 05:53 |
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| blast007 | ScisserFeind: usually it's just best to ask a question and wait for a response | 05:54 |
| ScisserFeind | thanks | 05:54 |
| skibur | that is a response, try again | 05:54 |
| ScisserFeind | Does anyone know of anyway of using the Nokia 770 as a Midi Controller? | 05:54 |
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| ScisserFeind | looks like a question to me | 05:54 |
| ScisserFeind | =) | 05:54 |
| skibur | hum... don't | 05:57 |
| ScisserFeind | thats not very helpful | 05:59 |
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| skibur | know | 06:01 |
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| skibur | sorry on my N800 pidgin | 06:02 |
| realcomix | Me too | 06:02 |
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| lle2 | anybody willing to try these: http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | 06:03 |
| ScisserFeind | im just trying to see if I can use it to send midi through usb at the moment | 06:03 |
| halley | It's not a full USB, it's a special kind of USB. | 06:04 |
| skibur | what is the purpose of a midi controller? | 06:04 |
| halley | Well, not sure about the 770 honestly. | 06:04 |
| lle2 | it can do host | 06:04 |
| lle2 | but can't provide power | 06:05 |
| ScisserFeind | i dont need it, I want to use it to manipulate params on a softsynth | 06:05 |
| halley | So you'd want to do one of those USB->MIDI dongles at the minimum, then do whatever other midi apps do with the usb. | 06:06 |
| ScisserFeind | well, ive got the usb cable from n770 to computer | 06:07 |
| ScisserFeind | i just need to see if I can use it to send the data i want | 06:07 |
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| halley | lle2, would love to see if osx could run it without having to use some parallels hack. | 06:08 |
| lle2 | I need some serious help with dylibs on osx | 06:08 |
| lle2 | as in, how are they _really_ linked, not this "use libtool" answer that I keep running into | 06:09 |
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| ScisserFeind | does anyone have any experience with PD or PDa? | 06:51 |
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| sarower | hello | 08:12 |
| pupnik_ | hi | 08:12 |
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| sarower | I need to know: Where the chat history and internet call history remains in the N800 device..? | 08:12 |
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| sarower | I mean in which directory this information is?? | 08:13 |
| sarower | is there anybody? | 08:13 |
| sarower | help me? | 08:13 |
| sarower | Pupnik: I think you are expert... so please say something! | 08:14 |
| pupnik | no idea | 08:14 |
| sarower | any body please......!!! | 08:14 |
| pupnik | but you can use grep to find text on a filesystem | 08:14 |
| sarower | i need to find it in N800 device | 08:15 |
| sarower | what the command could be..? | 08:15 |
| sarower | I use A X-terminal | 08:15 |
| pupnik | in xterm | 08:15 |
| pupnik | cd /home | 08:15 |
| pupnik | grep -ri $string user | 08:15 |
| pupnik | will search subtree of user for $string | 08:16 |
| pupnik | so substitute some text from chat, or a phone number for $string | 08:16 |
| pupnik | that might work | 08:16 |
| sarower | Thanx... | 08:16 |
| sarower | let me try | 08:16 |
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| pupnik | if it is stored in some non-ascii binary format, grep will not find it of course | 08:18 |
| sarower | hmmm | 08:18 |
| pupnik | s/binary// | 08:18 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: if it is stored in some non-ascii format, grep will not find it of course | 08:18 |
| sarower | right | 08:18 |
| pupnik | actually maybe it works with unicode now? i am behind the times | 08:18 |
| sarower | but grep is not working at all....... | 08:19 |
| sarower | in this device there is no user | 08:19 |
| pupnik | cd /home | 08:19 |
| pupnik | ls | 08:19 |
| pupnik | there should be a /home/user no? | 08:19 |
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| sarower | yah there is /home/user | 08:20 |
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| sarower | pupnik: there is a directory /home/user... then/ | 08:23 |
| sarower | ? | 08:23 |
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| jga23 | is there a .bashrc file for aliases for os2008? | 08:25 |
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| sarower | I need to know: Where the chat history and internet call history remains in the N800 device..? | 08:27 |
| sarower | any body please......!!! | 08:28 |
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| pupnik | sarower: the grep command can take a while to finish. what happened when you tried it? | 08:29 |
| sarower | Usage:grep [-rihHnqvs,,,,] PATTERN [FILES......] | 08:30 |
| sarower | then stopping after it. | 08:30 |
| |R | here it is: /home/user/.osso/imlogger | 08:31 |
| |R | and up one level for other types of log (rtcom (sip)) etc... | 08:31 |
| sarower | but the device is not showing these.. (. files and folders) | 08:32 |
| sarower | it is only showing /home/user | 08:32 |
| |R | where? | 08:33 |
| sarower | ther is MyDocs and apps folder only under /home/user | 08:33 |
| sarower | in N800 device | 08:34 |
| |R | how do you make that list show up? | 08:34 |
| sarower | In xter I just write ls | 08:35 |
| sarower | there | 08:35 |
| sarower | and it shows Mydocs and apps folder | 08:35 |
| |R | ls doesn't show up files starting with . unless you use the -a flag | 08:36 |
| sarower | ok then i must use ls -a | 08:36 |
| sarower | ok it is showing... | 08:36 |
| |R | why do you care about the logs anyway? lock your device :) | 08:36 |
| sarower | is .Osso a directory | 08:36 |
| sarower | I need to retrive the history | 08:37 |
| sarower | I am planning to develop an application for N800 device | 08:37 |
| sarower | is not it possible to retrieve the information any way..? | 08:37 |
| |R | better learn some shell skills first :) | 08:38 |
| sarower | why...? | 08:39 |
| sarower | for command..? | 08:39 |
| |R | well if you plan on developing for the n800, i'm guessing your going to need to play around the Maemo SDK | 08:39 |
| |R | which runs on linux :) | 08:39 |
| sarower | yah...... | 08:40 |
| sarower | right....... | 08:40 |
| sarower | you are...... | 08:40 |
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| sarower | there is no /home/user/.osso/imlogger | 08:42 |
| sarower | pupnik. | 08:42 |
| pupnik | hmm | 08:42 |
| pupnik | i only have 770 | 08:42 |
| |R | that example was n800 with OS2008 beta | 08:43 |
| sarower | hmm...... | 08:43 |
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| sarower | WHich type of file imlogger is? | 08:43 |
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| |R | in my path? a folder | 08:44 |
| pupnik | ahh sorry, the maemo grep does not support the -r (recursive) flag | 08:44 |
| |R | pupnik it does | 08:44 |
| |R | at least in 2008 beta :) | 08:45 |
| pupnik | ok, on os2006 busybox it doesn't | 08:45 |
| * corevette wants OS 2008 HE!!!!! | 08:45 | |
| pupnik | sorry for imprecise language | 08:45 |
| |R | but i think that it did in 2007 | 08:45 |
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| steri | graeh, anyway know good mediaplayer for os2008? imho kagu and ukmp both suck | 09:43 |
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| zerojay | Yeah. | 09:49 |
| zerojay | Media Player. | 09:49 |
| steri | this might sound stupid but how I can add one directory which has lots of subdirectories to playlist? | 09:54 |
| pupnik | steri: i don't know, but that's how i would like to add files | 09:58 |
| pupnik | Maybe when xmms is finished for the tablets :) | 09:58 |
| steri | I only found a add file and with 1.5gig mp3's thats insane thing to do | 09:58 |
| pupnik | steri: with what program? | 09:59 |
| steri | media player | 09:59 |
| pupnik | the popular players are kagu, ukmp and canola | 09:59 |
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| pupnik | personally i prefer a more bare-bones app, that will load from directory trees and get out of the way | 10:00 |
| pupnik | no album covers, giant fonts and buttons, no online database search, no filesystem crawler | 10:01 |
| steri | I know, and I just told at imho kagu and ukmp suck :P canola2 is not released yet. maybe I just install older canola now and wait a week(?) until they get that 2.nd version out | 10:01 |
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| pupnik | don't say they 'suck'. the creators put a lot of work and love into them. :) | 10:01 |
| steri | that's the same I want, just some basic app which works on the background. knows how to play randomly etc just basic functions | 10:01 |
| pupnik | yep | 10:02 |
| pupnik | i haven't found that app yet, but it will come eventually | 10:02 |
| steri | pupnik: that's way I said imho :P they look nice etc but they are something different what I luike | 10:02 |
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| steri | like | 10:02 |
| pupnik | ok yes | 10:03 |
| pupnik | i complained about this on the forums but i offended trev too much :) | 10:03 |
| pupnik | I also prefer a native C/C++ app for me, not interpreted language | 10:03 |
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| sarower | I need to know: Where the chat history and internet call history remains in the N800 device..?. | 10:21 |
| sarower | any body please......!!! | 10:21 |
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| jjo__ | sarower: I'm assuming you checked the obvious place (hidden directories in home directory)? | 10:23 |
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| sarower | jjo: right .... | 10:25 |
| sarower | but which directory it may be..? | 10:25 |
| steri | gladly there is commandline mplayer <3 mplayer -shuffle /path/mp3/*/*/* | 10:27 |
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| wplayya | hi | 10:29 |
| wplayya | where can i set the color of normal text in a theme_ | 10:30 |
| sarower | hi.. jjo!! | 10:31 |
| sarower | u there? | 10:31 |
| sarower | n any idea..? | 10:31 |
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| pupnik | themes are in /usr/share/themes i think | 10:40 |
| pupnik | there is a 'thememaker' application that can assist | 10:41 |
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| sarower | jjo u there? | 10:45 |
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| jjo__ | oh, yes | 10:48 |
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| jjo__ | actually I have no idea about the name of the directory it might be but the name is usually related to the program | 10:49 |
| jjo__ | there's no guarantee about that thou ;) | 10:50 |
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| sarower | hmm..... | 10:55 |
| jjo__ | actually it doesn't even seem to save the chat logs unless you save them explicitly | 10:57 |
| sarower | is not there any information saved by the app itsekf..? | 11:01 |
| sarower | like....contact info, chating partner, etc....... | 11:02 |
| sarower | if i get the specific directory then it would be helpful to me | 11:02 |
| sarower | to get the idea clearly...... | 11:03 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:16 |
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| rothiel | Hello World :) | 11:28 |
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| sarower | hello........ | 11:47 |
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| sarower | Where the chat application and internet call application is installed in N800? | 11:47 |
| sarower | anybody please..? | 11:48 |
| sarower | in which directory..? | 11:48 |
| sarower | any body can help...? | 11:48 |
| jeddy3 | sarower, slow down... | 11:48 |
| sarower | sure....... | 11:48 |
| sarower | can you please..! | 11:49 |
| jeddy3 | sarower, in wich directory on filesystem, or in menubar= | 11:49 |
| jeddy3 | ? | 11:49 |
| sarower | filesystemm,,! | 11:49 |
| sarower | jeddy | 11:49 |
| jeddy3 | sarower, hang on | 11:49 |
| sarower | I need to find the information that it stores during chat or in general.. | 11:50 |
| jeddy3 | oh, information | 11:51 |
| jeddy3 | information place != application place | 11:51 |
| sarower | i need to know about both..! | 11:51 |
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| sarower | Information place is important... | 11:52 |
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| sarower | I need to see the history or other information related to chat and internet call | 11:52 |
| sarower | jeddy! | 11:52 |
| jeddy3 | contactinformation is in .osso-abook anyway | 11:53 |
| sarower | yah... i got it | 11:54 |
| sarower | but history log....! | 11:54 |
| jeddy3 | maybe in db/adressbook.db | 11:54 |
| sarower | yah the addressbook...! | 11:55 |
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| sarower | that means the contacts are stored in the /db/addressbook.db | 11:55 |
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| jeddy3 | i have no idea :) | 11:56 |
| sarower | but i need to know where the history is saved when chatting.! | 11:56 |
| sarower | now can you please tell where the application is installed?? | 11:57 |
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| sarower | jeddy..! | 11:57 |
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| jeddy3 | sarower, first of all: doesn't hurt to be polite, second: I already told you, where application is installed have nothing to do with where it store it's information | 12:02 |
| jeddy3 | sarower, have you checked .osso-abook/db/adressbook.db as suggested? | 12:02 |
| sarower | yah......man! | 12:04 |
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| carbonfreeze | so, would this be the place to discuss issues re: n810? | 12:18 |
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| Fang64 | yup and the N800/N770 | 12:20 |
| vegai | for now, it's the place to growl at americans for getting their n810 earlier than everyone else | 12:20 |
| Fang64 | lol | 12:20 |
| vegai | :P | 12:20 |
| Fang64 | or that | 12:20 |
| carbonfreeze | wait, its not MY fault. I had to import my last pda (zaurus c3000) | 12:20 |
| carbonfreeze | having a couple of odd issues; seems the OS likes to ignore settings in the /etc/fstab file.. can't change mount points (device ignores settings upon OS startup) | 12:22 |
| carbonfreeze | ex: the internal sd is mounted to /media/mmc2; but I want to use it as /home. No go, each time device is power cycled, the internal mmc is mounted at /media/mmc2 again | 12:22 |
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| Rocketman | Does anyone know how to suppress the auto-dim function on the n810? | 12:34 |
| Rocketman | It is constantly activating and it is driving me nuts | 12:35 |
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| Rocketman | they just HAD to put the light sensor right where your finger naturally wants to cradle the device | 12:36 |
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| Jaffa | Rocketman: finally, something which is better for the left-handers :) | 12:41 |
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| Rocketman | I am finding the n810 to be terribly unergonomic | 12:43 |
| Palintheus | Jaffa: +1 | 12:43 |
| carbonfreeze | Rocketman: +1 | 12:43 |
| tontsa | well i don't like the fact that numbers are behind Fn-button. and there's no Fn-button on right side | 12:44 |
| tontsa | so numbers 1-4 you need to use very tricky combo | 12:44 |
| carbonfreeze | no pipe key on keybord, either | 12:44 |
| Rocketman | They should have implemented tap and hold to trigger second functions of keys | 12:44 |
| Rocketman | it is an extremely common thing on Win CE devices | 12:45 |
| carbonfreeze | it would not have bothered me if the device was .5cm taller for another row of keys on kb | 12:45 |
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| Rocketman | everything about the button design just feels wrong to me, except they finally fixed the top buttons (fullscreen, +, -, etc.) | 12:47 |
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| Fang64 | seems like nokia didn't completely think out the device | 12:48 |
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| Rocketman | It seems like after two revisions they should have really been at a very refined stage | 12:49 |
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| Rocketman | the n810 is a real mixed bag imo | 12:50 |
| Rocketman | excellent build quality | 12:50 |
| Rocketman | and more pocketable | 12:50 |
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| carbonfreeze | it would be nice to be able to run full x apps without porting | 12:51 |
| Rocketman | but the switch to mini-sd, crappy ergonomics and sub-par gps have me yearning for my n800 again | 12:51 |
| Rocketman | kinda feel the same way about Vista | 12:52 |
| Rocketman | such a mixed bag | 12:52 |
| Rocketman | yeah, carbonfreeze, hildon is the worst thing about maemo | 12:52 |
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| Rocketman | would see tons more apps without it | 12:53 |
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| carbonfreeze | doing stuff in the current version of gnumeric is driving me nuts | 12:53 |
| carbonfreeze | tap the cell you want to edit, tap the edit field.. etc | 12:53 |
| carbonfreeze | should have some sort of fallback mode for normal x apps, just run them in a smaller window or somesuch | 12:54 |
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| carbonfreeze | i mean, its like 800xsomething res, should be able to handle it. my other pda was 640x480 and i could run GIMP on it with little trouble | 12:54 |
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| Rocketman | no arguments here | 12:57 |
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| carbonfreeze | they should have taken something like the gpe pim apps (contact,calendar,todo,timesheet) and integrated it with the other apps (mail/etc). There should also be the ability to change the default application used for a task (chat/mail/rss/browser), or made the communicate menu customizable | 13:00 |
| sp3000 | Rocketman: hm? fn fn locks fn | 13:00 |
| sp3000 | hold would seem ...slow | 13:00 |
| * sp3000 shrugs | 13:01 | |
| sp3000 | I suppose that'd work, too | 13:01 |
| Rocketman | doing it that way is many keypresses vs just a few via tap and hold | 13:01 |
| carbonfreeze | i cant believe they shipped a linux pda, without a pipe character on the keyboard. its such a pain to work in bash without it | 13:01 |
| sp3000 | you can put it in the onscreen row, right? | 13:02 |
| sp3000 | I mean you need tab all the time too, anyway :) | 13:02 |
| carbonfreeze | yeah, but i forgot the alias for it, and im too lazy to look it up. much easier to complain about faulty keyboard design | 13:03 |
| Rocketman | I've played with 4 different slider keyboard devices in the last few years and this is imo the worst of the lot | 13:07 |
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| carbonfreeze | I liked the keyboard on my spitz the most of any pda ive used, nice button spacing and reachable. | 13:08 |
| Rocketman | spitz? | 13:09 |
| carbonfreeze | sl-c3000 | 13:09 |
| Rocketman | ah, almost ordered one from dynamism | 13:11 |
| carbonfreeze | yeah i picked one up as soon as they had them. great pda. | 13:11 |
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| carbonfreeze | got a 56k modem, wlan & 100 ether CF cards with it. great for travel. | 13:11 |
| Rocketman | but kept working with my Jornada 728 and Netbook Pro for another year or so | 13:11 |
| carbonfreeze | but, the battery was getting old, and i saw the n810 announced, and decided to pick it up | 13:12 |
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| carbonfreeze | spitz battery = $80+shipping | 13:12 |
| Rocketman | until getting my 770 w bluetooth keyboard | 13:12 |
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| Rocketman | I'm almost ready to jump ship for one of the ultra small windows devices | 13:13 |
| carbonfreeze | eh, only if it gets 6hrs+ battery & can run linux | 13:14 |
| carbonfreeze | what bothers me about the n810 is no suspend to ram | 13:14 |
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| carbonfreeze | its always on, would be nice to suspend for more battery life. Unless the CPU/logic is so effecient that its the same | 13:15 |
| Rocketman | like an OQO or Fujitsu U810 | 13:16 |
| carbonfreeze | i mean, its not a cell phone. My last pda could resume from suspend in like 0.3 seconds, why not allow it on this for great battery life | 13:16 |
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| Rocketman | I liked the U810 a lot, except for it's screen | 13:23 |
| Rocketman | too glossy | 13:23 |
| * Jaffa thinks the N810 is one of the best mobile devices he's ever owned (modulo Psion Series 5mx) | 13:23 | |
| Rocketman | I am a big fan of the HPC form factor of the old school win ce devices and the psions | 13:24 |
| Rocketman | owned a lot over the years | 13:24 |
| Rocketman | as well as ultra-compact full windows devices | 13:25 |
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| Rocketman | owned two librettos | 13:25 |
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| gm | is there a way to not mount the SD cards as noexec on the n800 under os2008? | 13:32 |
| carbonfreeze | gm: seems like os2008 ignores fstab changes on boot.. I was having issues changing mount points, and the two may be related. see bug#2575 | 13:35 |
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| gm | yeah | 13:35 |
| gm | thanks | 13:35 |
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| gm | might just do a startup script to do "mount -o remount,exec /dev/mmc1" | 13:36 |
| carbonfreeze | gm: yeah, but it shouldn't ignore fstab. | 13:37 |
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| gm | hmm, even after mounting it as as exec, it still won't run | 13:40 |
| gm | -sh: ./configure: Permission denied | 13:40 |
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| gm | even after a chmod +x configure | 13:40 |
| carbonfreeze | hmm | 13:40 |
| carbonfreeze | permissions on files are ok? you can write? | 13:41 |
| gm | yeah | 13:41 |
| gm | it's just a dir on the memory card | 13:41 |
| carbonfreeze | maybe your user doesnt have permission to write to the dir? | 13:41 |
| gm | i extracted it from the tarball | 13:42 |
| gm | i do have write permissions | 13:42 |
| tontsa | anyone happen to have vncviewer packaged for chinook? | 13:42 |
| Rocketman | there is one up at garage, tontsa | 13:43 |
| gm | tontsa: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1948 | 13:43 |
| tontsa | i have the garage repo in application manager, odd that it doesn't find it | 13:44 |
| carbonfreeze | app manager for these devices drives me nutes. should be a setting to show all packages, not some red-pill repo | 13:45 |
| Rocketman | I think it is considered beta quality, tontsa, so they just have a .deb for it | 13:46 |
| Rocketman | works fine for me though | 13:46 |
| gm | hmmm, there is /usr/sbin/mmc-mount | 13:46 |
| gm | that has noexec in it | 13:46 |
| tontsa | i just hate this bluetooth+packet data. for some reason n810 just disconnects sometimes and doesn't realize it. then only way to get back is disable bluetooth and enable it again | 13:47 |
| gm | dmask? hmmm | 13:47 |
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| gm | carbonfreeze: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount appears to override noexec | 13:50 |
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| gm | that might be why fstab is ignoring it | 13:50 |
| carbonfreeze | gm: ahh, lemmie take a look | 13:50 |
| gm | hmm, my cards won't mount | 13:51 |
| tontsa | gm, thanks. works surprisingly good | 13:51 |
| gm | or was that because i changed dmask | 13:52 |
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| gm | fmask 0133 might have something to do with it | 13:58 |
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| gm | ahh, there we go... ish | 14:02 |
| gm | wait, that failure was unrelated | 14:02 |
| gm | carbonfreeze: you will also need to change fmask in that file if you want to be able to exec | 14:02 |
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| Fang64 | I wondor why I'm having trouble with the ncurses-bin on the n800 and only a few had the same issues I wondor if this has anything to do with me jumping the gun and flashing up to OS2008 then back down to OS2007 | 14:59 |
| gm | shouldn't be - reflashing wipes everything | 15:00 |
| Fang64 | That's what I thought | 15:00 |
| Fang64 | I've been trying different ways to get the package to install correctly seems to be busybox and ncurses-bin not behaving | 15:01 |
| Fang64 | "/bin/usr/clear" is the the file ncurses-bin attempts to overwrite in one version of the package it fails and just doesn't install it, the maemo-hacker repo leaves a entry guess a bad package | 15:02 |
| Fang64 | the only problem I'm having is I've search the directory and only found busybox.clear | 15:02 |
| Fang64 | which i guess causes the issue | 15:02 |
| Fang64 | not really sure about the whole thing I'm just curious why the package is broken | 15:03 |
| Fang64 | tontsa recommended just installing it manually by extracting out the package which I'll probably end up doing at this rate | 15:04 |
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| fnordianslip | i installed some other ncurses packages and clear was installed in /usr/bin | 15:05 |
| Fang64 | uhm | 15:05 |
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| Fang64 | on OS2007? | 15:06 |
| fnordianslip | er, no. 2008. sorry, not paying attention. | 15:06 |
| tontsa | yeah the os2008 ncurses package works just fine | 15:06 |
| Fang64 | lol, it's fine I've been a bit confused why this isn't working right | 15:06 |
| tontsa | maybe the beta-2008 differs from the n810's 2008 | 15:07 |
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| Fang64 | well I didnt flash to the beta 2008 | 15:08 |
| Fang64 | that's the thing | 15:08 |
| Fang64 | I kind of jumped the gun and grabbed the N810 OS2008 and flashed mine to it | 15:08 |
| Fang64 | I got it installed and running then downgraded after looking at the repos and seeing a lack of applications | 15:08 |
| Fang64 | I was running 42-18 which is probably not supported I take it | 15:09 |
| halley | The N810 image is not going to work properly on an N800. | 15:10 |
| Fang64 | I know this | 15:10 |
| Fang64 | but I was dabbling around with it when i first got it | 15:10 |
| Fang64 | anyhow i don't imagine that causing the issue I'm having now | 15:11 |
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| Fang64 | back to the drawing board then | 15:13 |
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| Tak | morning pupnik | 15:18 |
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| pupnik | hi | 15:18 |
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| Tak | any emu news? | 15:19 |
| dpb_ | emo news? | 15:20 |
| * Tak stabs dpb_ | 15:20 | |
| * dpb_ dies | 15:20 | |
| pupnik | no just offtopic stuff in my life | 15:20 |
| pupnik | death and taxes, literally | 15:21 |
| Tak | :-/ | 15:21 |
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| Rocketman | sorry to hear that pupnik | 15:22 |
| keesj | I am typing this on a "old" ibm thinkpad 560 with 40 mb ram(runnig puppy linux). it realy makes me wonder how much more I will use the keyboard enabled 810 as opposed to th n800 | 15:23 |
| keesj | anybody already running elinks/screen/ssh as main gui? | 15:23 |
| Rocketman | The problem is that it isn't a very good keyboard keesj | 15:24 |
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| Rocketman | I'm still bringing my BT keyboard around with me | 15:24 |
| keesj | Rocketman: am sorry to hear that! | 15:25 |
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| keesj | I was also thinking of an eeepc, it is getting hard to choose these days | 15:25 |
| Rocketman | I honestly might go back to my n800 | 15:25 |
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| keesj | GPS is not the killer attribute? | 15:26 |
| pupnik | how does the thumby keyboard suck? | 15:26 |
| wumpus | what's wrong with the n810, when just not using the keyboard? | 15:26 |
| Rocketman | The GPS is really bad, keesj | 15:26 |
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| Rocketman | very sub-par performance | 15:27 |
| Rocketman | pupnik: | 15:27 |
| Rocketman | top row of keys too close to screen for easy typing | 15:27 |
| keesj | Well you don't really sound like a happy customer :p | 15:27 |
| Rocketman | keys themselves not raises/convex enough | 15:28 |
| Rocketman | missing several important keys | 15:28 |
| Rocketman | many others on second function | 15:28 |
| keesj | hmm, I don't use a bt keyboard becase I want to "internet" on the go (in bed or in front of th tv) | 15:29 |
| pupnik | all i see are a lot of gaming buttons :) | 15:29 |
| Rocketman | no press and hold for second function as is standard on almost all sliders | 15:29 |
| sp3000 | "on the go, in bed" | 15:29 |
| keesj | sorry on th move in bed | 15:29 |
| Rocketman | d-pad center button oversized and 4 way hard to press | 15:29 |
| pupnik | i hope you don't use the tablet 'on the move in bed' :) | 15:30 |
| Rocketman | with "up" button too close to screen edge as well | 15:30 |
| pupnik | yeah that dpad made me shed a tear or too | 15:30 |
| keesj | pupnik: no , poor video recording quality | 15:30 |
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| pupnik | lol | 15:31 |
| pupnik | well thoughtfix was typing real fast on it in his demo vid | 15:31 |
| Rocketman | All in all, it is an extremely poorly executed slider keyboard | 15:31 |
| pupnik | ah, i'll probably be a schlub who is happy with it based on nothing to compare it to | 15:32 |
| Rocketman | that combined with the sub-par gps, loss of full size sdhc cards, etc will probably drive me back to n800 once OS 2008 is released | 15:33 |
| Rocketman | Pupnik, I have tried out four sliders at length and this is worst of the bunch | 15:33 |
| Rocketman | terrible ergonomics | 15:33 |
| keesj | I must say that the last two projects I started where video driven.(gst-motion-control/and a video game) | 15:34 |
| Rocketman | someone needs to be fired | 15:34 |
| pupnik | well that's constructive negative feedback | 15:34 |
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| Rocketman | I grumble a lot, but I have specific bones to pick | 15:35 |
| Rocketman | :) | 15:35 |
| pupnik | so you'd have preferred maybe 1-2 millimeter more thickness to accomodate a thicker keyboard? | 15:35 |
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| Rocketman | The screen needs to have slid up more, as the top row is extremely hard to press | 15:36 |
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| pupnik | yeah that seems pretty clear. wonder why that wasn't possible | 15:36 |
| sp3000 | or you could borrow my thumbs | 15:36 |
| Rocketman | they don't even need bigger keys necessarily, but the tops of them need to be more curved | 15:37 |
| * sp3000 would like some friction guidance on the caps though | 15:37 | |
| Rocketman | I just don't think they paid enough attention to ergonomics in general | 15:38 |
| Rocketman | At least they fixed the full screen and +/- buttons | 15:38 |
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| Rocketman | The 800 was a step down from the 770 as an ebook reader because of the conjoined top keys | 15:39 |
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| pupnik | what slider keyboard did you like? | 15:41 |
| fysa | nokia has their priorities completely wrong. they have marketing design the product, and the people that actually use it get to put up with their decisions. | 15:42 |
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| pupnik | if only marketing designed it, would it run linux? :) | 15:43 |
| Rocketman | I agree, fysa, I feel too much goes into adding another bullet point for marketing and not enough into useability and customer feedback | 15:43 |
| Rocketman | I took their customer surveys twice | 15:43 |
| keesj | customer feed-back was really "we need a keyboard" and now we hav it | 15:43 |
| pupnik | yep | 15:43 |
| Rocketman | and the questions were always aweful | 15:43 |
| fysa | all they needed was to listen to a single developer there. | 15:44 |
| pupnik | and Rocketman is claiming to know of products with far superior slider keyboards | 15:44 |
| pupnik | i'd be curious what those products are | 15:44 |
| fysa | I've heard bad things about that keyboard from Nokia folk. | 15:44 |
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| Rocketman | stuff on the order of how important is color to you when choosing a lifestyle device | 15:45 |
| fysa | marketing focus group bullshit | 15:45 |
| Rocketman | OQO model 2 keyboard not bad | 15:45 |
| Khertan | Rocketman > it's not the same sized device | 15:45 |
| Khertan | ! | 15:45 |
| fysa | I love Maemo. | 15:45 |
| keesj | I am not trying to say the keyboard is good(I don't have it). But I think that they do listen to the demand(perhaps a bit late, and therefore in device iterations......) | 15:45 |
| fysa | The hardware needs some more love though. | 15:45 |
| fysa | they listened as far as 'we need a keyboard' -- but they didn't bother to test it properly. they half-assed it. | 15:46 |
| nomis | The Psion 3* series keyboard was pretty usable. | 15:46 |
| Rocketman | latest HTC sliders are much improved over first gen | 15:46 |
| fysa | shows lack of leadership somewhere | 15:46 |
| pupnik | when i look at that, i see a lot of my life | 15:46 |
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| pupnik | http://surreality.info/up/success_large.jpg an old graphic about the long road to success, and the pitfalls | 15:47 |
| n800user | people want what they can't have.. like a practical keyboard at such a small size | 15:47 |
| fysa | no, not practical -- just not idiotic | 15:47 |
| fysa | if they a test to an internal developer and asked for feedback, the keys would not be that close to the upper case. | 15:47 |
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| Rocketman | n800user, they could have done much better in the same dimensions | 15:47 |
| fysa | and they would have a bit more curve. | 15:47 |
| n800user | why not use a bt or onscreen keyboard? | 15:47 |
| fysa | for fucks sake | 15:47 |
| fysa | this is the n810 | 15:48 |
| fysa | the entire purpose was to get the slide-out :) | 15:48 |
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| fysa | slide-out is a beautiful idea because it gets you extra screen real-estate | 15:48 |
| fysa | you get to type and see what you're doing | 15:48 |
| keesj | n800user: no no no. I want a working solution. I am ready to even learn a new keyboard type or whatever is required, but it must b a workable solution. | 15:48 |
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| fysa | I'm not giving Nokia a pass for making 'effort' | 15:49 |
| fysa | this is 2007. | 15:49 |
| Rocketman | your average treo or blackberry is more thumb typeable | 15:49 |
| n800user | Rocketman, Yeah, they could've done a better job. | 15:49 |
| keesj | Rocketman: I agree | 15:49 |
| n800user | keesj, a working keyboard that's integrated into the NIT? | 15:50 |
| fysa | the n810 looks gorgeous at least. :) | 15:50 |
| keesj | NIT? I can ready for surgery/ learing a weird 5 key keyboard, | 15:50 |
| Rocketman | I am a form follows function kinda guy | 15:51 |
| fysa | but I will be waiting for the "n900: | 15:51 |
| fysa | " | 15:51 |
| Rocketman | My devices are tools, not freaking fashion accesories | 15:51 |
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| keesj | fysa: why wait, while you can already have fun right now | 15:52 |
| fysa | have a n800 | 15:52 |
| fysa | and a bt keyboard.. | 15:52 |
| fysa | having plenty of fun, but if I spend money on a device in this class right now, it honestly would probably be an EEE. | 15:52 |
| n800user | I like my n800 and bt keyboard & gps | 15:53 |
| fysa | just to use in different occasions | 15:53 |
| pupnik | diffrent class imo | 15:53 |
| fysa | EEE is something that could hang out in my glove box | 15:53 |
| n800user | both perform better then the built in | 15:53 |
| nomis | fysa: the EEE is IMHO not that sexy. | 15:53 |
| fysa | not looking for sexy ;) | 15:53 |
| fysa | I work at the computer all day and always on call some way or another.. | 15:53 |
| fysa | I want freedom | 15:53 |
| keesj | I used an eee for 5 minutes and I lovd it | 15:53 |
| n800user | ditto.. Longer battery life and possible use as a phone would be my two biggest requests | 15:54 |
| fysa | N800 is something that can go with me anywhere, EEE is something I could take somewhere when I want to work out of the house | 15:54 |
| pupnik | the nokia 770 cured me of my psion mourning | 15:54 |
| Rocketman | I am considering a Fujitsu U810 | 15:54 |
| fysa | (or on the plane) | 15:54 |
| keesj | still , I was complaining about they keyboard that was to small for real vi sesisons | 15:54 |
| fysa | yeah, for the EEE? | 15:54 |
| nomis | fysa: The EEE unfortunately is Intel-based and sucks up a lot of enrgy. | 15:55 |
| fysa | I hate to push it again, but the Apple Wireless keyboard is the smallest usable keyboard I've ever tried. | 15:55 |
| nomis | fysa: Also the Keyboard can at best used with a two-finger system. | 15:55 |
| n800user | ooo.. it's kind of cool | 15:55 |
| keesj | eee = more speed , better keyboard , better sound , more memory ...... | 15:55 |
| wumpus | but very bad battery time | 15:56 |
| fysa | full size keys with excellent spacing. it looks like a laptop keyboard, is way lighter than the batteries it takes, and feels nearly as good as my old IBM clicky | 15:56 |
| Rocketman | I found the Librettos and Journadas quite touch-typeable | 15:56 |
| fysa | you can get 2GB into it now | 15:56 |
| nomis | fysa: yeah, the apple KB looks great. | 15:56 |
| n800user | fysa, I like the apple keyboard too, but have you tried the stowaway? it's not too bad either | 15:56 |
| nomis | (does the wireless one also have this caps-lock-hack? | 15:56 |
| fysa | if they extended the EEE screen all the way left/right and ditched the speakers (or put them underneath/elsewhere somehow), I would be happy. | 15:56 |
| keesj | wumpus: my n800 with gmail loaded does not survie a morning, and if by chance I don't plug it in at night it wakes me up! | 15:57 |
| fysa | I really want 1024x480 or so | 15:57 |
| n800user | I loved my libretto. it took a bit of an adjustment to the keyboard but I think they're going for different ways of interacting | 15:58 |
| keesj | I guess the real question is what do you use you n800 for? | 15:58 |
| fysa | I'm trying to shoehorn my life/work into it ;) | 15:58 |
| Rocketman | pupnik, checkout the keyboard on the toshiba portege g900 | 15:58 |
| n800user | n8x0 shouldn't really be a minicomputer... it should just be a mobile device that works with the internet. | 15:59 |
| fysa | caps-lock-hack? | 15:59 |
| fysa | I don't know -- I remap caps lock to CTL | 15:59 |
| n800user | I'm using mine for the radio atm | 15:59 |
| nomis | fysa: then the apple wireless might bite you: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306811 | 15:59 |
| fysa | that's my only complaint with this keyboard -- it seems to register caps lock more slowly and doesn't work as CTRL so well. | 15:59 |
| nomis | ah, it bit you already :) | 15:59 |
| n800user | messaging, VoIP, maemo mapper | 15:59 |
| fysa | heh | 16:00 |
| n800user | watching movies etc | 16:00 |
| keesj | n800user: OTG? | 16:00 |
| pupnik | Rocketman: the top row is flush against the case | 16:01 |
| n800user | and browsing the net from the couch when I'm too lazy to go to the computer or when I'm annoyed of the fans on my computers | 16:01 |
| keesj | you have some free traffic gprs phone? | 16:01 |
| fysa | get the most use of the n800 in the bathroom ;) | 16:01 |
| n800user | keesj, only maemomapper and watching movies OTG | 16:01 |
| n800user | I also have a iphone so I use that when away from wifi | 16:01 |
| keesj | fysa: how is that? | 16:01 |
| Rocketman | I was referring to the way the keys bulge | 16:02 |
| Rocketman | to make the easy to press | 16:02 |
| keesj | shave app or do you have kids like m? | 16:02 |
| n800user | lol.. yeah, in the bathroom too, I played alot of sudoku | 16:02 |
| fysa | stopped magazine subscriptions, everything is here ;) | 16:02 |
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| keesj | what I really use are "radio" wikipedia(when walking the dog, one article already downloaded) and with it2008 pdf sheets because the pdf reader really is gettint to a very usable state | 16:03 |
| keesj | on it2007 i love to watch natali del conte? | 16:04 |
| n800user | oh yeah, that was the video center wasn't it? | 16:05 |
| keesj | your technology news upload | 16:05 |
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| pupnik | yeah that seems obvious, having a bulge | 16:06 |
| keesj | I hope some day I will be able to use it as video phone | 16:06 |
| n800user | Does anyone really like the new icons? I was hoping for something with color | 16:07 |
| n800user | gizmo? | 16:07 |
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| n800user | I think it can do SIP w/ h.323 | 16:08 |
| keesj | no, gizmo video does not work under linux and my parent's cant install it | 16:08 |
| keesj | but the maemo platform gave me my current job. And I love to see the evolution of the devices. it is also funny that when the n800 came out everybody wanted a cover | 16:10 |
| n800user | Ah.. any idea if wine could run gizmo? | 16:10 |
| n800user | lol.. a cover is still a nice idea | 16:10 |
| keesj | the 810 has a on/off button right? | 16:11 |
| n800user | dunno, only have a n800 | 16:11 |
| inz | keesj, N810 has a power key similar to that of N800 and 770 | 16:12 |
| keesj | thanks | 16:13 |
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| Rocketman | anyways....and now to bed | 16:15 |
| keesj | inz was it you who started a translusive keyboard for the xterm? | 16:15 |
| keesj | 0x2bed | 16:15 |
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| inz | keesj, I was concidering it, but never started implementing | 16:21 |
| keesj | I hav played with it at some point, so It must b somebody else :p | 16:21 |
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| Tak | keesj: there's the one I made using rubygame ;-) | 16:28 |
| keesj | no it was a hack in the xterm "vte" lib or something, the keyboard was movable | 16:30 |
| Khertan | Does someone has already built python binding for gtksourceview ? | 16:32 |
| Tak | I can't imagine that there wouldn't be one | 16:32 |
| Tak | btw, what would be the advantage of moving to sbox2? | 16:32 |
| Khertan | sbox2 ? | 16:34 |
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| Khertan | Hi alterego ! | 16:36 |
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| alterego | Aloha | 16:36 |
| * Tak indicates the topic | 16:38 | |
| keesj | it was jtra | 16:38 |
| alterego | ooo .. What's that then? :D | 16:38 |
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| alterego | What about sbox2 with maemo4 ? Surely that's more appropriate ^_^ | 16:39 |
| inz | Tak, sbox2 is supposed to be thinner, cleaner (and faster?) | 16:39 |
| Tak | can't go wrong with thinner, cleaner, and faster(?) | 16:39 |
| * Tak stabs desmume packagers for unnecessary quilt dep | 16:40 | |
| keesj | jtra.cz !!! | 16:40 |
| lopz | hi | 16:40 |
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| alterego | Well, now I finally appear to have set up my system properly I can install scratchbox into a 32bit KVM :) | 16:42 |
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| alterego | Which I think I'll do now .. | 16:44 |
| pupnik | Tak it's built here | 16:47 |
| pupnik | if i can help let me know | 16:47 |
| pupnik | oh wait, did I lie? | 16:48 |
| Tak | pupnik: how much hacking did you have to do to build it? | 16:48 |
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| Tak | it looks like their "I don't have gtkglext" fallback doesn't compile :-/ | 16:48 |
| L0cutus | hum | 16:49 |
| pupnik | i don't remember anything | 16:49 |
| Khertan | alterego> do u successfully compile gedit last time ? | 16:49 |
| pupnik | shall i tgz it to you? | 16:49 |
| L0cutus | there are some problem with bluez-utils | 16:49 |
| pupnik | then you can diff whatever you want | 16:49 |
| pupnik | desmume-cli is built | 16:49 |
| pupnik | i have no notes | 16:49 |
| Tak | pupnik: sure - email probably best | 16:50 |
| alterego | Khertan, I was making progress. Haven't finished it yet though. | 16:50 |
| alterego | Khertan, my system died, so I've spent the last 4 days building and installing a new one. | 16:50 |
| alterego | building, installing, reinstalling, reinstalling, reinstalling ... Until today :) | 16:51 |
| alterego | Ideally, I'd prefer to use Debian over Ubuntu. Unfortunately there's something very off with the display drivers in Debian that appear to be patched properly in Ubuntu. | 16:52 |
| Tak | moo? what display drivers? | 16:52 |
| alterego | The intel drivers. | 16:53 |
| Tak | hmm - seems to be ok here; maybe I have a lucky chipset ;-) | 16:53 |
| alterego | Tak, the problem seems to affect all from i810 up :) | 16:53 |
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| alterego | Mine was a bit more severe than others though. X wouldn't shut down. It just hung my system. | 16:54 |
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| Tak | hmm - are we talking about etch? | 16:54 |
| alterego | Yes | 16:54 |
| alterego | I even pulled X from testing and unstable but they both suffered the same fault :( | 16:55 |
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| alterego | It's a shame, because the debian gnome desktop _feels_ so much more stable and solid than the Ubuntu gnome desktop :/ | 16:55 |
| Tak | ah - I'm running unstable, and it works ok here | 16:56 |
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| alterego | Thankfully, I appear to have ironed out the issues I had with Ubuntu/gnome/compiz so it feels a bit more solid. | 16:56 |
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| Tak | huzzah! | 16:57 |
| * Tak wobbles some windows in celebration | 16:57 | |
| alterego | :) | 16:57 |
| alterego | I don't like the window wobbling :P | 16:57 |
| alterego | I'm trying to find the option that stops windows going off the edge of virtual desktops. But to no avail. | 16:57 |
| Tak | I do; it gives the windows a more solid feel, which makes it easier to arrange them IMO | 16:58 |
| alterego | Hah, wobbly windows feel more solid to you? :D | 16:58 |
| Tak | heh - I mean, they feel like they have mass | 16:59 |
| alterego | Ah | 16:59 |
| Tak | gnome-compiz-manager might give you more configuration options | 16:59 |
| alterego | Actually, they do seem to snap a bit better around the edges. | 16:59 |
| alterego | That was one of my problems with ubuntu compiz before. | 16:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've been using that. | 16:59 |
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| alterego | I like the "shiver" effect on dialogs :D | 17:00 |
| alterego | It's nice sticking scratchbox/maemo SDK in it's own KVM though. | 17:03 |
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| Khertan | pffffff stupid scratchbox ! | 17:17 |
| Khertan | oups ... ww | 17:18 |
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| Khertan_VM | sourceview is available on os2008 ? | 17:22 |
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| alterego | Khertan, nope. | 17:25 |
| alterego | Though I'm having to package it. So it will be ;) | 17:25 |
| Khertan_VM | arg i think i t was available ... | 17:25 |
| Khertan_VM | /s/i t/it | 17:26 |
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| Khertan_VM | could u make python binding with it ? :-) | 17:26 |
| Khertan_VM | the last version is the 1.6 right ? | 17:28 |
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| alterego | Can't you? | 17:36 |
| alterego | You know I don't do Python :P | 17:36 |
| Khertan_VM | i ll :-) | 17:36 |
| Khertan_VM | i just need the lib and dev :) | 17:36 |
| alterego | Hell, the python binding should already exist. It just needs to be compiled. It should be part of the pygnome/gtk stuff | 17:36 |
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| Khertan_VM | it s exist already, but i m compiling gtksourceview now | 17:37 |
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| alterego | Ah | 17:38 |
| Khertan_VM | E: Couldn't find package gtk-doc | 17:38 |
| Khertan_VM | grrrr ... no make dist ... | 17:39 |
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| Khertan_VM | No package 'gtksourceview-2.0' found | 17:40 |
| Khertan_VM | seem s a make install isn t enought | 17:40 |
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| Khertan_VM | maybe i should try with debian source package | 17:41 |
| alterego | That's a very good idea ;) | 17:42 |
| alterego | But you'll still need gtk-doc | 17:42 |
| alterego | Which is actually installed as a devkit. | 17:43 |
| Khertan_VM | arg ... it s still 1.8.5 on debian | 17:43 |
| Khertan_VM | grrrr | 17:43 |
| alterego | Use unstable or testing | 17:43 |
| Khertan_VM | gtk-doc ? so i should have it | 17:43 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I think you need to add the devkit (doctools) and add the pkg-config path of the devkit into your PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable. | 17:44 |
| alterego | Most of those labels are probably wrong by-the-way. | 17:44 |
| jigo | is there an easy way of autoloading a gui application when the device starts up? I tried adding entries in the /etc/rc*d. but it didn't load automatically | 17:44 |
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| Khertan_VM | uh ? the wmware is a feisty and not a debian | 17:44 |
| Khertan_VM | s/wmware/vmware image | 17:45 |
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| rene4jazz | hi all, I tried to intall nfs-common package on OS 2007 HE for my n770 and because of dependencies it uninstalled osso-core, osso-connectui, etc | 17:46 |
| rene4jazz | now I re-flashed the OS to be capabable of networking again | 17:47 |
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| Jaffa | Going back to earlier: my Eee's very cool, and I love having it (easier to watch videos on with wife than on N810); but it's just not as *fun* as an N810. It's just a small, cheap, laptop. | 17:55 |
| pupnik | Jaffa: yeah- in that category it's a good thing of course | 17:55 |
| pupnik | as prior subnotebooks were very pricey | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | Exactly. | 17:56 |
| Khertan_VM | apt-get source gtksourceview2 | 17:56 |
| Khertan_VM | oups ww | 17:57 |
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| zoran | Jaffa, do you have vanilla xandros or something else on eee? | 17:58 |
| alterego | You really call the eee pc a sub notebook? | 17:58 |
| alterego | I'd have thought it's the perfect notebook size. | 17:58 |
| alterego | But yes, it's cheap :) | 17:59 |
| zoran | doesn't look in the same category as 770/800/810 | 17:59 |
| Khertan_VM | s/wmware/vmware image/scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: debian/control: Permission denied | 18:01 |
| Khertan_VM | make: *** [clean] Error 1 | 18:02 |
| Khertan_VM | yeah / | 18:02 |
| Khertan_VM | i like that / | 18:02 |
| zoran | Permission denied | 18:02 |
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| Khertan_VM | yes ...but i m root | 18:03 |
| Khertan_VM | :) | 18:03 |
| zoran | linux or bsd? | 18:03 |
| Khertan_VM | linux :) | 18:04 |
| zoran | so, no security levels? | 18:04 |
| Khertan_VM | maemo scratchbox | 18:04 |
| dragorn | Khertan: looks like it's trying to execute debian/control? | 18:04 |
| zoran | maybe the wrong prompt | 18:04 |
| dragorn | or you're not running the pkg build under fakeroot | 18:04 |
| Khertan_VM | it s seem that it try to execute control | 18:04 |
| Khertan_VM | dragorn: i ve running it with fakeroot | 18:05 |
| zoran | Jaffa didn't answer, but there is custom debian distro for eee | 18:06 |
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| Khertan_VM | pffff and it s source from a gutsy packet | 18:09 |
| dpb_ | Khertan_VM: you're not root inside scratchbox | 18:09 |
| keesj | would the whole qemu/sbox run on eee? | 18:09 |
| zoran | probably yes, but is is a small flash ram | 18:09 |
| Khertan_VM | still so boring to compile existing source providing from the gnu community | 18:10 |
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| Khertan_VM | dpb_: you can :) | 18:10 |
| Khertan_VM | i ve try both | 18:10 |
| dpb_ | you can? I thought you couldn't login as root.. | 18:10 |
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| dpb_ | Yeah, you can't. The login script checks for root and doesn't allow root to login. | 18:11 |
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| timeless | dpb: you can log into root | 18:12 |
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| timeless | oh, in scratchbox | 18:13 |
| timeless | yuck, who uses scratchbox? P:) | 18:13 |
| Tak | hah | 18:13 |
| dpb_ | Yeah. :) | 18:13 |
| Khertan_VM | fakeroot sh give you root no ? | 18:13 |
| dpb_ | no, that's just a FAKE root. | 18:13 |
| Khertan_VM | :) oups ... true | 18:13 |
| Khertan_VM | just verified | 18:14 |
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| Khertan_VM | so ... the problem is mainly that the rule debian package try to execute debian/control | 18:14 |
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| dpb_ | what does 'ls -l debian/control' say? | 18:15 |
| Khertan_VM | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3072 Dec 17 11:29 debian/control | 18:18 |
| dpb_ | that surely doesn't look right | 18:19 |
| Khertan_VM | yes | 18:19 |
| dpb_ | are you still running sh with fakeroot? | 18:19 |
| Khertan_VM | no | 18:19 |
| dpb_ | did you get/unpack those sources as root outside of scratchbox? | 18:21 |
| timeless | is this from a debian sourceball? :) | 18:21 |
| Khertan_VM | it s from a ubuntu sourceball | 18:21 |
| timeless | did you do: fakeroot apt-get source? :) | 18:21 |
| Khertan_VM | i m getting the debian package ... | 18:22 |
| timeless | although really, the root bit would only have happened if you either really were root when you did it | 18:22 |
| timeless | or are really confused now :) | 18:22 |
| dpb_ | yeah :) | 18:22 |
| timeless | because only root can actually create or make files with owner/group root | 18:22 |
| Khertan_VM | timeless: yes ... i get using it with sudo apt-get source ... but i should be able to compile it with fakeroot | 18:23 |
| Khertan_VM | and i shouldn t be 777 for all file | 18:23 |
| Khertan_VM | s/i/it s | 18:23 |
| dpb_ | uh, no no | 18:24 |
| dpb_ | apt-get source doesn't need root, run it without sudo | 18:24 |
| dpb_ | so the permissions will be right | 18:24 |
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| timeless | yeah, sudo apt-get source was your problem | 18:26 |
| timeless | "don't do that" | 18:26 |
| Khertan_VM | maybe :) | 18:26 |
| Khertan_VM | samething ... with the ubuntu package | 18:27 |
| timeless | "don't do that" | 18:27 |
| Khertan_VM | seems to work with the debian one | 18:27 |
| Khertan_VM | don't do that ? using ubuntu package yes i know .... :) | 18:28 |
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| timeless | don't do: sudo apt-get source | 18:29 |
| timeless | sudo should be used for installing, not getting sources | 18:29 |
| Khertan_VM | right | 18:29 |
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| Khertan_VM | there is news about discount code ? i ve try the 15th but don t see news | 18:32 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 18:32 |
| Khertan_VM | hi alone :) | 18:32 |
| pupnik | 5 days Khertan_VM | 18:35 |
| dpb_ | Khertan_VM: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/12/15/the-n810-codes-for-maemo-contributors-next-week/ | 18:35 |
| Khertan_VM | thx for the link | 18:36 |
| Khertan_VM | gtksourceview compiled :) | 18:36 |
| |R | 5 days? | 18:37 |
| Khertan_VM | i mainly see that : I’m still reluctant to give any exact day | 18:38 |
| * |R puts 2¢ on the 19th :P | 18:39 | |
| Andy80 | 19 is the last day here (italy) to have it delivered before 25th :P | 18:40 |
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| |R | Considering that Canada just got added, i thought i wouldn't be able to get it before february, so that's good enough for me :D | 18:42 |
| zopodo | can i have skype running while in stanby mode and then have the nokia n800 load up and ring when someone is giving me a skype call? | 18:42 |
| X-Fade_ | |R: Can't be as bad as NL: http://shop.nokia.nl/ ;) | 18:43 |
| X-Fade_ | The shop isn't even open to the public ;) | 18:43 |
| |R | haha indeed :) | 18:43 |
| Khertan_VM | lol | 18:43 |
| Khertan_VM | 499 $ on france store .... hiccccckkkkkk | 18:44 |
| |R | 499 E ! | 18:44 |
| |R | that's more like 750 :P | 18:44 |
| Andy80 | lol :D | 18:44 |
| Khertan_VM | ouch euro i mean | 18:44 |
| |R | 654 USD | 18:44 |
| pupnik | ha ha germany is cheaper | 18:44 |
| Khertan_VM | (swithing between vm ... different keyboard layout) | 18:45 |
| Khertan_VM | spain is 400 Euros | 18:45 |
| pupnik | ! | 18:45 |
| pupnik | spain wins | 18:45 |
| Khertan_VM | :) | 18:45 |
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| Fang64 | Tontsa: I caved in and switched back to OS2008, couldn't get the ncurses-bin package to work right. | 18:45 |
| Khertan_VM | don t why there are this diff | 18:45 |
| |R | weird | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | government regulations | 18:45 |
| |R | germans should be ritcher than french no? | 18:46 |
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| |R | s/t// | 18:46 |
| infobot | |R meant: germans should be richer than french no? | 18:46 |
| Khertan_VM | bof ... | 18:46 |
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| Khertan_VM | the german country is more rich than the french one | 18:46 |
| |R | yeah, but i guess berlin is poor hehe | 18:47 |
| Khertan_VM | but people ... don't know | 18:47 |
| Khertan_VM | dh_pycentral: Command not found | 18:47 |
| Khertan_VM | someknow where i can found this command ? | 18:48 |
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| pupnik | deb helper python crap? | 18:48 |
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| bedboi | |R: in italy it's rated 450 | 18:49 |
| dpb_ | in debian it's atleast in the python-central package | 18:49 |
| bedboi | wtf is this | 18:49 |
| zopodo | can i have skype running while in stanby mode and then have the nokia n800 load up and ring when someone is giving me a skype call? | 18:49 |
| X-Fade_ | bedboi: VAT. | 18:49 |
| * |R wonders what the price will be in north america for discount code holder... | 18:50 | |
| bedboi | X-Fade_: i don't think so. In italy we have 20% | 18:50 |
| X-Fade_ | bedboi: VAT & Shipping? | 18:50 |
| X-Fade_ | And VAT on Shipping ;) | 18:50 |
| dragorn | zopodo: no idea. try it. | 18:50 |
| Tak | |R: supposed to be 99E | 18:51 |
| dragorn | zopodo: depends if skype is wakeup-aware | 18:51 |
| |R | Tak : so 145$ ? | 18:51 |
| Tak | so, depending on current exchange rate, anywhere from $130 to $600 | 18:51 |
| |R | ahha :) | 18:51 |
| Khertan_VM | lol | 18:51 |
| Andy80 | bedboi: "we"? are you italian? | 18:52 |
| Khertan_VM | dh_pycentral not found in debhelper ... | 18:53 |
| kaie | is it possible that network will fall asleep, too? When I'm logged in from my pc to the n810 over ssh, after a while the ssh connection will be frozen | 18:53 |
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| kaie | If the network connection falls asleep, I suppose the skype network will conclude you're offline | 18:54 |
| alterego | Doesn't appear to happen with me. | 18:54 |
| kaie | ? | 18:54 |
| zopodo | has skype been released for the n800? | 18:54 |
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| dragorn | Yes. Though my experiences with the os2008 beta + skype left a lot to be desired | 18:54 |
| Khertan_VM | nor dh-buildinfo | 18:54 |
| keesj | zopodo: yes (for it2007 and it2008 beta) | 18:54 |
| zopodo | is there an option to have skype wake aware? | 18:54 |
| Khertan_VM | repository.maemo.org seem s to be down | 18:55 |
| zopodo | i don't have the n800 yet but if i can have skype wake aware, then i'll most likley get it | 18:55 |
| keesj | what is wake aware? | 18:56 |
| alterego | I wonder, if when maemo is finally fully buildable from source. We'll be able to compile using the host toolchain .. | 18:56 |
| alterego | That'd be neat. | 18:57 |
| keesj | the first skype release for it2008 did not work well for me , it was not possible to have a long disc. I have not tried it yet again | 18:57 |
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| keesj | the host toolchain as in x86? | 18:58 |
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| zopodo | kaie, can i have the n800 in low power mode and have a connection for skype? | 18:59 |
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| kaie | zopodo, I don't know | 19:00 |
| zopodo | does anyone have an example photo or video of the quality of the n800 cam? | 19:01 |
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| kaie | I'm conducting an experiment. I have skype started on the n810, signed in with account A. on the pc I signed in to skype using account B. I'll not touch the n810 for 20 minutes then I'll look what happens when I use the pc to contact A | 19:02 |
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| kaie | feel free to remind in 20 minutes if you're curious about the result | 19:03 |
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| Khertan | bye | 19:08 |
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| bedboi | Andy80: yep, i happen to be italian | 19:10 |
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| zepede | is it possible to have the n800 in standby mode and have WiFi connected at the same time/ | 19:19 |
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| kaie | I just sent a skype message from pc to n810 after 20 minutes not using the device. The n810 made noise, so the connection is apparently still active | 19:23 |
| zepede | is the n810 in standby mode? | 19:24 |
| zepede | what about the n800/ | 19:25 |
| pupnik | it is in dominate world mode | 19:25 |
| zepede | is it in stab pupnik in the eye mode? | 19:26 |
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| * Tak always in that mode | 19:26 | |
| kaie | all I can tell, the display was black and the device had switched to "locked" | 19:26 |
| kaie | how do you define "standby mode"? | 19:27 |
| kaie | in addition, I remember that I have the network idle time disabled, changed to "always keep connection" | 19:27 |
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| zepede | ok | 19:29 |
| zepede | does the battery in the n800 die down after use like the iphone batteries? | 19:30 |
| kaie | zepede, every battery I'm aware of eventually dies down after a lot of use. if that happens, replace the battery I'd say...? | 19:31 |
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| zepede | can you buy replacement batteries for the n800? | 19:31 |
| zepede | or are they proprietary nokia stuff that cost $500? | 19:31 |
| Tak | seems to be a fairly good market for them on ebay and similar | 19:32 |
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| kaie | zepede, have you tried reading the product information pages and info on availably accessiores on nokia.com? | 19:32 |
| X-Fade_ | zepede: You have never owned anthing from Nokia, have you? :) | 19:32 |
| zepede | kaie, yes a bit, and x-fade: no | 19:32 |
| X-Fade_ | zepede: About every phone/device they made since 199x had replacement batteries.. | 19:34 |
| zepede | does x forwarding work? | 19:36 |
| inz | X-Fade, iPhone! | 19:36 |
| inz | X-Fade, sorry, missed the "they" | 19:36 |
| X-Fade_ | inz: Soldering iron battery replacements ;) Fun.. | 19:36 |
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| lardman | re | 19:42 |
| zepede | is $250 a good price for n800? | 19:43 |
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| Fang64 | yo zepede buy.com has them for 228 free shipping | 20:00 |
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| zepede | Fang64: i live in canada | 20:02 |
| Fang64 | zepede ah that's a problem | 20:03 |
| Fang64 | confused me for a bit | 20:03 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 21:22 |
| Pavlz | i got a problem with kismet | 21:23 |
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| blkorpheus | anyone have fuppes compiled and running properly? | 21:24 |
| Pavlz | Server options: none | 21:24 |
| Pavlz | Client options: none | 21:25 |
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| Pavlz | Starting server ... | 21:25 |
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| Pavlz | Waiting for server to start before starting . | 21:27 |
| bedboi | any further info about canola2? | 21:27 |
| alterego | bedboi, it was a hoax. It never really existed. Like the N810 | 21:28 |
| bedboi | eheh | 21:28 |
| Pavlz | /usr/bin/kismet_server : error while loadiy | 21:29 |
| alterego | Probably a typo | 21:29 |
| Pavlz | [1] + Done (127) $ {BIN} /ki} | 21:31 |
| Pavlz | What does mean all this ? | 21:31 |
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| Pavlz | I have not understood the real problem of nokia | 21:32 |
| Pavlz | it seems got a problem with kismet_server | 21:33 |
| Pavlz | anyone can help me ? | 21:34 |
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| Pavlz | i got the os 2006 | 21:34 |
| florian | re | 21:35 |
| Pavlz | i must update to 2007 | 21:35 |
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| Pavlz | I have logged myself using | 21:35 |
| Pavlz | sudo gainroot | 21:36 |
| alterego | Why not 2008? | 21:36 |
| Pavlz | and i have try to use | 21:36 |
| Pavlz | apt-get update | 21:36 |
| Pavlz | apt-get dist-upgrade | 21:36 |
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| Pavlz | but kernel, dependencies... never updated | 21:37 |
| Pavlz | so i am to the old kernel version 2.6.16.27-omap1 | 21:39 |
| Pavlz | ok i try to update my self to the os 2008 | 21:39 |
| giskard | barisione, :P | 21:40 |
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| FMz | Any ideas on the final release date of OS2008 for n800? | 21:42 |
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| Pavlz | i got many problems with this nokia and many times i needed to go to the assistance and last time, they removed me the root access so i needed to use how to become root without have on the screen the image of mounting the debian gnu/linux operating system on the nokia | 21:44 |
| alterego | I didn't understand a word of that. | 21:44 |
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| FMz | Oh wow... that's like Engrish v2.0 | 21:45 |
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| khertan_ | re | 21:45 |
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| Pavlz | where i can download os 2008 for nokia 770 ? | 21:46 |
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| alterego | Oh, you're using one of _those_ .. | 21:50 |
| * alterego doesn't support the 770 | 21:50 | |
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| Pavlz | what is the difference between nokia n800 an n810 ? | 21:54 |
| BeBraw | price, keyboard, gps, screen | 21:55 |
| tontsa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 | 21:55 |
| tontsa | there's what's changed from n800 | 21:55 |
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| Pavlz | and cpu ? | 21:56 |
| alterego | Also, storage options and size. | 21:56 |
| tontsa | same cpu on both | 21:56 |
| tontsa | just see the wikipedia.org article | 21:56 |
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| alterego | (and USB connector) | 21:56 |
| alterego | And buttons. | 21:56 |
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| Pavlz | Thanks | 22:02 |
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| tank-man | does anyone know if the ps3 bluetooth gamepad work with the n800? | 22:13 |
| alterego | Does it work with Linux? | 22:13 |
| tank-man | yea, i think so | 22:13 |
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| tank-man | works with the ps3 with linux installed on it i think | 22:14 |
| alterego | ffs .. | 22:14 |
| tank-man | just wondering if someone has done it with the n800 | 22:14 |
| alterego | Why does everything rely on Python now-a-days. | 22:14 |
| alterego | I can't install the SDK into a base system without python. How lame .. | 22:14 |
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| derf | Because people like writing software in Python. | 22:15 |
| alterego | This is a bash script .. | 22:16 |
| alterego | It probably uses python for something _Really_ lame .. | 22:16 |
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| derf | Probably, but the person writing it found it easier to do it in Python than think about how to do it somewhere else. | 22:16 |
| derf | People use the tools they're comfortable with. | 22:17 |
| derf | It doesn't actually matter much how well-suited those tools are for the task at hand. | 22:17 |
| alterego | Not to them it probably doesn't .. | 22:17 |
| derf | They're the ones writing the code. | 22:18 |
| alterego | Specifically for other people .. | 22:19 |
| derf | Yeah, how much do you think your average developer considers other people? | 22:19 |
| derf | Especially in the open-source world. | 22:19 |
| alterego | Hmm .. This is actually scratchbox .. So I guess that makes it a little better. | 22:19 |
| alterego | I wonder why they don't use their own python .. | 22:20 |
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| * melmoth wonders wich system alterego use that does not comes with python by default. | 22:21 | |
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| alterego | melmoth, debian base install :P | 22:26 |
| alterego | I'm creating a KVM for scratchbox. | 22:26 |
| melmoth | hmm | 22:26 |
| melmoth | i did a xen image for it :) | 22:26 |
| alterego | The idea is having it as minimal as possible you see ;) | 22:26 |
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| melmoth | hmm. i did not care about size, it s stored on an external usb drive anyway. | 22:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:27 |
| melmoth | i just installed debian clicking on next/next/next | 22:27 |
| alterego | I don't like waste. Sorry, I know I'm pretty anal ;) | 22:27 |
| alterego | Hahah | 22:27 |
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| melmoth | i think i even got openoffice installed there. | 22:28 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 22:29 | |
| alterego | Yeah, your probably did the desktop install :) | 22:29 |
| melmoth | must be the default one :) | 22:29 |
| alterego | Yeah, it is. | 22:29 |
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| Tak | alterego: I agree | 22:31 |
| kala | how can I trust some CA in the OS2008 ? | 22:32 |
| alterego | It's on the Control Panel kala | 22:32 |
| alterego | Under "Certificate Manager" or some such. | 22:32 |
| kala | hmm | 22:33 |
| kala | right, the Certificate Manager is there | 22:33 |
| kala | ok, and thereis Import. | 22:34 |
| kala | thanks | 22:34 |
| alterego | hmm | 22:34 |
| alterego | That's okay :P | 22:35 |
| Tak | (doesn't actually work for me) | 22:35 |
| alterego | Great .. segfault .. | 22:36 |
| kala | jee, this fixed my Outlook Web Access crash | 22:38 |
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| * alterego starts from scratch. | 22:41 | |
| alterego | Right, now I know the process works. Time to do it properly. | 22:41 |
| alterego | :D | 22:41 |
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| pat26 | hi. I would like to install a dual boot system with OS2008 as the main system and 0S2007 on a SD card. Is it possible ? | 23:13 |
| alterego | Yes. | 23:16 |
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| pat26 | The link I found is about N770. Any change ? | 23:17 |
| alterego | What's an "N770"? | 23:18 |
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| pat26 | N770 device (mine is an n800) | 23:18 |
| alterego | I don't remember an "N770" do you mean the "770"? | 23:19 |
| alterego | :P | 23:19 |
| pat26 | Nokia N770 | 23:19 |
| shackan | bzzzt, wrong | 23:19 |
| alterego | There is no Nokia "N770" .. | 23:19 |
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| alterego | I can't believe people still think it's N-series :D | 23:19 |
| pat26 | is that so important ? | 23:20 |
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| alterego | No, being correct is never important. | 23:21 |
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| pat26 | could you give me information about dual boot or do you prefer playing with words ? | 23:21 |
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| alterego | The instructions for dual booting an N800 or the 770 should be somewhat applicable. But I'm sure there will be differences. | 23:22 |
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| alterego | (OS2007) that is . | 23:22 |
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| maddler | evening all! | 23:22 |
| protocol_ | Hi | 23:22 |
| alterego | So, by all means. Go ahead, if you have any questions then ask them more specifically. The process should be somewhat similar though. | 23:22 |
| alterego | I think the only difference will be dealing with the initrd .. | 23:23 |
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| protocol_ | I am trying to capture sound on N800 using ESD. There is a example application called "esdrec". "esdrec" works fine on the pc but does not work on N800. Any help would be appreciated regarding ESD on maemo platform. | 23:26 |
| protocol_ | ESD socket is opened successfully but ESD socket reading fails to read correctly thus hangs on the reading phase. | 23:28 |
| protocol_ | Is there some issues using ESD on maemo platform? | 23:28 |
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| protocol_ | Does anybody know how to use esd in maemo platform? | 23:44 |
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| protocol_ | I can not use gstreamer. | 23:44 |
| protocol_ | I have to use esd to capture sound data from microphone. | 23:45 |
| dragorn | I'd guess not. | 23:47 |
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| youam | it's not possible to use larger sd cards than 2gb in the n800, right? | 23:49 |
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| skibur | hello | 23:49 |
| skibur | I'm using N800 - OS2008. Any app that can read .doc files yet? | 23:50 |
| blast007 | youam: on the nseries.com site it says 8GB limit, but in the user manual it says 2GB | 23:51 |
| blast007 | youam: http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n800_en_R1.html | 23:51 |
| blast007 | iirc, amazon.com lists 2GB as well, so I'm just as confused ;) | 23:51 |
| glass_ | 2gb was probably biggest they tried before shipping | 23:51 |
| glass_ | it didn't ship with sdhc support iirc originally | 23:51 |
| youam | anybody tried id with sdhc cards yet? | 23:52 |
| glass_ | thus, 2gb limit on the shipping day specs | 23:52 |
| glass_ | sdhc came in upgraded fw, no? | 23:52 |
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| tontsa | you need sdhc versions if you want to use bigger than 2gb atleast with n810 | 23:53 |
| youam | glass_: is sd vs sdhc a software limitation? i thought it's hardware? | 23:53 |
| glass_ | youam: sw in this case at least | 23:53 |
| glass_ | if you can control the pins i don't know why it would be a hw issue, really... | 23:54 |
| * |R just ordered a 8GB microSD for the n810 to come... :) | 23:55 | |
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