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| guerby | hi, I've installed ogg support for OS2008 but when I click on a .ogg file from the file manager it proposes me to choose an application to open it. i choose media player and it works but I wonder if there's a way to get rid of the question | 00:19 |
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| ds3 | arrg. so wish nokia put in a little reset hole like palm did on the treo | 00:22 |
| kala | N770 has a reset hole? | 00:22 |
| ds3 | the 770 does? I am refering the N800. pulling out batteries to reset when messing with the kernel is getting old | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | ah, kernel hacking. | 00:23 |
| ds3 | *nod* | 00:23 |
| ds3 | prehaps a developers cable for the N800? *hint* *hint* =) | 00:24 |
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| pupnik_ | guerby: good question - search internettablettalk.com | 00:38 |
| guerby | pupnik_, I've looked at the ogg stuff but it's mostly about the ogg theora / W3C / Nokia fiasco than anything else of technical interest :) | 00:39 |
| guerby | pupnik_, (on internettablettalk) | 00:39 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 00:39 |
| lardman | evening chaps | 00:39 |
| pupnik_ | then maemo wiki? | 00:39 |
| * pupnik_ salutes | 00:40 | |
| halley | guerby, I'd start searching for things like "mime types" not ogg specifically. | 00:40 |
| derf | guerby: The person you want to talk to is kulve (author of Ogg Support). | 00:40 |
| wumpus | did nokia already realize that ogg isn't propatiary? :') | 00:40 |
| halley | Save it for the forums, this is a fruitless topic, wumpus. ;) | 00:41 |
| wumpus | I was just kidding | 00:41 |
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| lardman | aaaarrrghh | 00:42 |
| lardman | that's much better | 00:42 |
| guerby | halley, derf, thx. | 00:43 |
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| goortza | Does anyone know if Stardict and Whitestork have been ported to OS2008? | 00:51 |
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| lardman | it just gets stranger and stranger | 00:54 |
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| halley | Talking to oneself is odd; typing to oneself in chat is odder. | 00:54 |
| lardman | now my dbg() statement won't print the value of byteRead, but if I assign that value to another unsigned int it will display the value of that var, the difference being the 2nd one is local | 00:55 |
| lardman | halley: staves off madness for a little while longer | 00:55 |
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| lardman | damn! it all comes down to the fact that dbg() can't return the value of long | 00:59 |
| lardman | so all along the variables have been correct, but dbg() just fails and reports 0 instead of the value | 01:00 |
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| ds3 | DOH | 01:02 |
| derf | lardman: :) | 01:02 |
| lardman | so much for the docs saying it's format string is the same as printf() type functions | 01:02 |
| lardman | s/it's/its | 01:03 |
| ds3 | it is the same except when it is not ;) | 01:03 |
| lardman | :) yeah | 01:03 |
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| lardman | at least I'd not quite gone mad | 01:03 |
| ds3 | I wonder if the DSP part you are debugging is accessible via the normal debugging port on the ARM | 01:04 |
| lardman | no idea | 01:05 |
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| ds3 | that dsp is a stock C5500, IIRC? | 01:06 |
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| lardman | yes I think so, difficult to work out the exact subversion of the c55 though | 01:08 |
| shacka1 | lardman, the sdk has *nothing* for debugging ? | 01:08 |
| lardman | If you use the Ti bridge then yes, for the dspgateway, no (afaik) | 01:08 |
| shacka1 | ouch | 01:09 |
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| lardman | it just adds to the fun and excitement ;) | 01:09 |
| lardman | anyway, I'm making progress, I'm now (possibly, depending on whether it's actually a long misreported) up to bytes=oy->fifo_fill=0 (when it should read 1024) | 01:14 |
| pupnik_ | oy | 01:14 |
| derf | Hooray! | 01:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | Is maemo-mapper available for Chinook? | 01:15 |
| halley | Yes, but with limitations. | 01:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | How so? | 01:15 |
| halley | It can't enable N810's builtin GPS nicely, for one. | 01:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | halley: I just want to install the package. | 01:16 |
| _|Nix|_ | Where can I find it? | 01:16 |
| halley | maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 is always a good place to start... | 01:16 |
| halley | I also wish the dataset were google maps, not whatever European maps it has. US coverage is pitiful. | 01:16 |
| _|Nix|_ | You can add Google Maps to Maemo Mapper, AFAIK. | 01:17 |
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| halley | I couldn't see how in the interface, but haven't tried seriously. | 01:17 |
| _|Nix|_ | WTF ?! http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008 --> Server Error | 01:17 |
| _|Nix|_ | halley: You can download map repositories. | 01:18 |
| halley | Did I mention maemo.org is running on an N770 through USB? | 01:18 |
| _|Nix|_ | :o) | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is google maps, halley. | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm fairly certain it can enable the N810's GPS on it's own now, too. | 01:18 |
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| _|Nix|_ | I don't think it's on maemo.org/downloads :o( | 01:19 |
| _|Nix|_ | So, what's the repo for it? | 01:19 |
| lardman | derf: I see an interesting thing here | 01:19 |
| derf | lardman: ? | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gnuite.com/ | 01:19 |
| lardman | derf: _get_next_page calls _get_data calls my read fn and asks for 1024 bytes | 01:19 |
| derf | Okay. | 01:20 |
| halley | apt-get update often freezes and duplicates sources.list entries for some reason. | 01:20 |
| _|Nix|_ | OK, it's in Extras, it seems. | 01:20 |
| lardman | derf: but these are 16bit bytes, so when it returns the value of bytes=oy->fifo_fill it's twice as large | 01:20 |
| lardman | derf: as it has presumably worked that out | 01:20 |
| wumpus | 16 bit bytes? uh oh | 01:20 |
| lardman | tell me about it :) | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | halley, if you go to the Map Repositories settings you can download the Google and VirtualEarth stuff. | 01:21 |
| derf | lardman: This is where my knowledge of what systems without an 8-bit char actually do fails me. | 01:21 |
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| derf | When you feed the DSP "bytes", are they two bytes packed in one char, or one byte per char, using twice the memory? | 01:21 |
| lardman | derf: I'm just wondering if I should actually interpret the amount of data that _get_data() asks for as 8bit bytes (and therefore halve whatever it says) | 01:21 |
| lardman | byte=char=16bits iirc | 01:22 |
| lardman | although I guess I should talk about chars not bytes as they are usually 8bits? | 01:23 |
| derf | lardman: Somewhere, the Ogg bitpacker operates on a fundamental unit of 8 bits. | 01:23 |
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| lardman | ah no, the DSP manual says bytes are also 16bit | 01:23 |
| Zippy | Greetings everyone! ;o) | 01:23 |
| derf | So the things in the _file_ you are playing are 8 bits. | 01:23 |
| lardman | derf: yes, that's fine, and I'm glad to see that it's worked out how large the byte is on the DSP, just wondering about when it asks for data | 01:23 |
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| lardman | derf: I'll keep it in mind and perhaps alter it later on | 01:24 |
| derf | I can't answer the question until you can tell me how the 8-bit data from the file is actually arranged in memory on the DSP. | 01:24 |
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| lardman | 16bit data is arranged like 16bit little endian data on an ARM | 01:25 |
| lardman | 32bit data is arranged as two chunks of LE 16bits, but with the chunks arranged in BE order | 01:25 |
| lardman | just to make things even more exciting | 01:25 |
| zerojay | Adblock+ working for anyone? | 01:26 |
| derf | Good grief. I didn't think anyone still used mixed-endian words. | 01:26 |
| halley | My apt-fu is rusty; how can I ask for just an update of maemo-mapper? | 01:26 |
| goortza | halley: apt-get install maemo-mapper I think | 01:26 |
| |R | zerojay : not me... | 01:26 |
| halley | install twice isn't redundant? | 01:26 |
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| Zippy | Pop quiz guys. Is there any way to remove the default block cursor when using X-Term? | 01:27 |
| goortza | halley: I guess you can think of it as installing a newer version of the package. Personally I would have allowed an argument to upgrade | 01:28 |
| halley | Yeah, too used to rpm semantics there. | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just do it in app manager. | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, it's not working for me. | 01:30 |
| halley | I have the latest maemomapper, according to the apt, but still no GPS enabling. | 01:31 |
| halley | Maybe there's a newer upstream that's not on the repo. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on ITT about it. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like there may have been something mildly non-obvious involved. | 01:32 |
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| lardman | derf: oggbyte_read1() is returning 0 all the time | 01:33 |
| lardman | derf: looks like that's the issue | 01:33 |
| derf | lardman: Okay. I'll try to look at the code later tonight and see what 16-bit byte problems could be causing something like that. | 01:34 |
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| lardman | derf: you have the url of the code I'm using? | 01:34 |
| lardman | which may be modified | 01:34 |
| derf | It's somewhere in my scrollback. | 01:35 |
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| lardman | cool, thanks | 01:35 |
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| lardman | derf: it looks like, amongst other things, the code I have doesn't have ptr in oggbyte_buffer | 01:39 |
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| Zippy | Is there any way to have the cursor not be displayed while using X Terminal? | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cursor isn't displayed in xterm. | 01:46 |
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| Zippy | Yeah, the white block thingabobber. | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, THAT cursor. | 01:47 |
| Zippy | Yep. :o) | 01:47 |
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| Zippy | So is there a way General? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you want to? | 01:54 |
| Zippy | It's kind of messing up the graphics when using Telnet. That's all. | 01:54 |
| Zippy | It's nothing critical, just looking to see if there's a fix. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, telnet. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not one of my use cases. | 01:56 |
| Zippy | Yeah, I'm somewhat behind in the times I guess. | 01:58 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:18 |
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| _berto_ | oops | 02:20 |
| *** _berto_ changes topic to ""development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html"" | 02:21 | |
| _berto_ | sorry | 02:21 |
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| ds3 | whoa this looks nice - | 02:47 |
| ds3 | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=TS32GSSD25-M&cat=HDD&cpc=JAD | 02:47 |
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| derf | Now, if they can just fit it in a micro SD form factor. | 02:48 |
| ds3 | just use the USB port :P | 02:49 |
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| ds3 | btw, anyone tried a SDIO GPS on the N800? | 02:49 |
| ds3 | it is pointed the wrong way for normal use but nevertheless... | 02:50 |
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| acydlord | sure havent | 02:57 |
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| Tak | does itos use any kind of standard thing for swap? | 05:31 |
| Tak | I see there's no swapon/swapoff | 05:31 |
| johnx | I have swapon and swapoff on mine | 05:32 |
| johnx | Are you root? | 05:32 |
| Tak | hah, they're in /sbin, thanks | 05:33 |
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| limepi | how could the bluetooth transceiver be haxed so that I can bluejack over long distances | 06:03 |
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| lopz | re | 06:07 |
| Luria | sigh. anyone symlink modest email? | 06:19 |
| Luria | to replace the stock one | 06:19 |
| Luria | imap idle rocks. | 06:20 |
| dragorn | limepi: not easily. easier to hack usb and use a usb bluetooth device. | 06:21 |
| limepi | "easier" is relative | 06:21 |
| dragorn | You'd have to take apart the unit | 06:22 |
| limepi | the idea is to get someone else to do it for me | 06:22 |
| dragorn | and solder on the pcb | 06:22 |
| limepi | who actually knows how to do it | 06:22 |
| limepi | "lazyweb" | 06:22 |
| dragorn | and even then I don't know that the BT chipset can do anything interesting | 06:22 |
| dragorn | so, while relative, easier is fairly "easy" to determine | 06:22 |
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| kulve | guerby: I made a bug about the filemanager | 06:54 |
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| |R | uhm... newegg has 16GB a-data SDHC cards for 99.99 (+5$ shipping) | 07:17 |
| |R | haven't seen such low prices on 16GB card yet... | 07:17 |
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| vikramb11 | anybody there ? | 09:31 |
| limepi | no | 09:32 |
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| guerby | kulve, thanks for looking into this! | 10:13 |
| derf_ | lardman|gone: Sorry, I didn't get time tonight. This W3C stuff has kept me annoyingly distracted. | 10:14 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi | 11:03 |
| Spakman_ | hey Khertan_TheReal | 11:05 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:22 |
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| jeddy3 | grr, what kind off release time is 10pm brazilian? =P | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | jeddy3: That is just 'tomorrow' for us ;) | 11:25 |
| jeddy3 | X-Fade, indeed | 11:25 |
| mbuf | jeddy3, the time when you release and go for a party? | 11:25 |
| jeddy3 | mbuf, ok thats actually a good reason for it :) | 11:26 |
| Spakman_ | does anyone know how I can create a desktop plugin that looks like the supplied ones? How do I make it a little transparent? | 11:28 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > you are making it in c or in ruby ? | 11:39 |
| Spakman_ | in runy | 11:39 |
| Spakman_ | oops, ruby | 11:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | OH ! | 11:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | maybe you can help me :) | 11:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i'm trying to do one too | 11:40 |
| Spakman_ | I'll try my best... | 11:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but i ve problem with GLIB::Timeout.add | 11:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | as when my plugin is released ... maemo-desktop crash | 11:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so i can only make plugin wich doesn't refresh ... too bad ! | 11:41 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (haven't found too how to make a transparent label) | 11:41 |
| Khertan_TheReal | how do you make refresh in your plugin ? | 11:41 |
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| Sampppa | hey | 11:43 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hi Sampppa | 11:43 |
| Spakman_ | ah, I'm just starting out developing the plugin TBH. I've got an application written that I want it to talk to though. | 11:43 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: what is it you're doing? | 11:43 |
| Sampppa | im flashing os2008 beta for my n800 but i keep getting this error To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 11:43 |
| Sampppa | is there a solution for this? | 11:44 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > i've four plugin in progress (Cpu stats, Mem stats, SD and Home stats, and Net stats) | 11:45 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so after init the plugin, i add a glib timer, but when my plugin is released (unselected in plugin selection form) maemo-desktop crash when the timer call the refresh method | 11:49 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but as in ruby there isn't destroy method ... i can remove the timer... :( | 11:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | too bad ! | 11:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ ? | 11:50 |
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| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: what happens if you just set it to nil? | 11:53 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ if i set the timeout to nil ? | 12:12 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so there is no timeout ? | 12:12 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve tryed ... no refresh | 12:14 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | (ps i can't set it to nil when applet is released as in the applet i don't know when the applet is released) | 12:15 |
| Spakman_ | ah, OK | 12:18 |
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| guardian | hmm i find the browser so slow :( OS2008/N800 | 12:24 |
| guardian | i'm browsing maemo.org/downloads, takes age to navigate and display the screenshots etc | 12:25 |
| doc|home | guardian: yeah, me too, It's really frustrating at times :/ | 12:25 |
| kulve | maybe that's because the maemo.rg is slow? | 12:25 |
| doc|home | guardian: although that server sucks by the way | 12:25 |
| _berto_ | kulve: that's probably the reason :) | 12:25 |
| jeddy3 | kulve, yeah was about to say the same thing...maemo.org is SLOW | 12:25 |
| doc|home | but the browser itself can suck at times | 12:25 |
| guardian | gonna try with other sites | 12:26 |
| guardian | i'm not convinced yet | 12:26 |
| kulve | blaming browser to be slow because of one page is a bit.. hasty. | 12:26 |
| guardian | well it's not that page only | 12:26 |
| guardian | on the same network, the page is ok on my workstation | 12:26 |
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| guardian | is the N810 faster than the N800 ? | 12:33 |
| jeddy3 | guardian, no, same hardware iirc | 12:34 |
| guardian | ok | 12:34 |
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| guardian | same memory bus performance issues ? | 12:34 |
| sp3000 | guardian: long page, fit to width? that can be slow | 12:35 |
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| jeddy3 | guardian, what IS different is that os2007 capped CPU at 330MHz, n810 goes to 400, but n800 with 2008 should do that also | 12:35 |
| pupnik_ | "Voting is clearly and obviously an activity where fraud should have to be done the good old fashioned ways, and not be made more efficient and convenient with technology" - pupnik | 12:36 |
| Wizzard | How to fix this error: im trying apt-get update and getting "GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D" thanks. | 12:37 |
| jeddy3 | guardian, don't know about memory bus...but i think that nokia has said that the hardware is the same | 12:37 |
| pupnik_ | guardian: i don't think there's any difference for video speed | 12:37 |
| guardian | ok thx | 12:37 |
| jeddy3 | guardian, besided keyboard and gps and the obvious stuff :) | 12:37 |
| vegai | anyone in Europe got their N810s yet? | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | Wizzard: maybe like maemo-hackers doesn't have a proper key setup | 12:38 |
| vegai | excluding Nokia employees and such | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | i heard maybe next week | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | .uk has a few in stores | 12:38 |
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| Wizzard | pupnik_, i have same GPG error with http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com / | 12:39 |
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| sarower | hi | 12:42 |
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| inz | Wizzard, it's only warning for apt (hence the W:) | 12:43 |
| sarower | I want to know that..... when email is read in Nokia N800 then where it stores the mail data | 12:43 |
| sarower | any body can help..? | 12:43 |
| inz | Wizzard, the key used to sign maemo-hackers is http://inz.fi/pubkey.txt | 12:44 |
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| inz | Wizzard, use apt-key add to add it to apt keychain | 12:44 |
| sarower | What is the format the mail data....? | 12:44 |
| Wizzard | Okko, thanks | 12:45 |
| Okko | wha? | 12:46 |
| sarower | I want to get access the mail data of the device........ | 12:46 |
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| rothiel | Hello World :) | 12:51 |
| * keesj waves to the world | 12:54 | |
| Veggen | Hmmf. Work motivation. Now I have to look really hard for it... | 12:55 |
| Veggen | company I was gonna start in after christmas, is out of business... | 12:56 |
| Veggen | Seems like I'm gonna stay where I am now. | 12:56 |
| Veggen | But, I *was* gonna have my very last day here on friday. | 12:56 |
| Spakman_ | anyone know where I can get the SQLite3 command line client? | 12:58 |
| Spakman_ | for OS2008 | 12:58 |
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| alterego | I'm guessing none of the 500 have got their codes workin'? | 13:22 |
| sarower | I want to know that..... when email is read in Nokia N800 then where it stores the mail data | 13:23 |
| sarower | I want to get access the mail data of the device........ | 13:23 |
| sarower | What is the format the mail data....? | 13:24 |
| sarower | any body can help..? | 13:24 |
| alterego | Seeing the N810 in the UK store and not being able to buy it is evil :/ | 13:24 |
| alterego | sarower, probably in the home directory somewhere | 13:24 |
| sarower | yes... | 13:24 |
| hahlo | Is there howto for Pidgin privoxy tor? (os2007) | 13:25 |
| sarower | alterego: I have got it under "/home/user/apps/email/Mail" directory | 13:26 |
| pupnik_ | that would be useful hahlo - when on public wlans | 13:26 |
| hahlo | yes | 13:26 |
| alterego | sarower: congrats | 13:26 |
| sarower | it is in xml format.. | 13:26 |
| alterego | Woo .. | 13:26 |
| sarower | but the value is encrypted | 13:26 |
| alterego | You think. | 13:27 |
| sarower | alterego: Is there any API so that I can get the email in the Inbox, Outbox, Drafts, Sent.. etc | 13:27 |
| sarower | I am using C++ | 13:28 |
| alterego | No | 13:28 |
| sarower | Altergo: Then I must parse the XML file to get the data... | 13:28 |
| alterego | Yes, | 13:29 |
| sarower | Alterego: Do you know how I can launch an application like email application in OSSO C++/ maemomm? | 13:30 |
| zpol | hello | 13:31 |
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| alterego | sarower I don't like C++. To launch a program you must call it via its' D-BUS service. | 13:33 |
| sarower | May I have your mail address please! so that I can contact with u..! | 13:34 |
| alterego | No | 13:34 |
| sarower | I mean i want to use D-bus service in the programming..? | 13:34 |
| sarower | I have to use... Dbus service | 13:34 |
| alterego | I'm not tech support sarower | 13:34 |
| sarower | to do that..! | 13:34 |
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| alterego | You should read the maemo tutorial sarower .. | 13:35 |
| sarower | yes............ | 13:36 |
| alterego | You should read the training material too. | 13:36 |
| sarower | right........ | 13:36 |
| sarower | where it is? | 13:36 |
| alterego | Coming in here and asking these silly questions after not even looking at how the platform is put together is quite rude in my opinion. | 13:37 |
| alterego | Where is anythingly related to maemo .. | 13:37 |
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| sarower | As the mail data is encrypted .. how can i get the real data (Decrypted).....alterego.? | 13:40 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | ALTEREGO !!!! | 13:44 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hi :) | 13:44 |
| Khertan_TheReal | maybe u can help me :) | 13:44 |
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| alterego | Can you wait a few mins khertan i need breakfast :) | 13:45 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ok ... no prob ... ill too :) | 13:45 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i'm not hurry (2 day that my maemo-desktop crash due to try with ruby ;) ) | 13:45 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so ... don't know how to say it in english : Bon appetit ! | 13:46 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ;) | 13:46 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ll be back | 13:46 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:53 |
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| pupnik_ | braaaak | 14:02 |
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| lardman | it's very quiet this morning | 14:04 |
| X-Fade__ | All waiting for Canola2 and N810, I guess. | 14:06 |
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| lardman | 3 days... | 14:06 |
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| alterego | Khertan_TheReal, you're using 0.4.0 right? | 14:07 |
| lardman | derf: did you get a chance to look at the byte reading code? | 14:07 |
| alterego | Code that reads bytes? That's hard ;) | 14:08 |
| lardman | alterego: I'll point you at it if you want a crack | 14:08 |
| lardman | alterego: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/Tremor-threaded/framing.c | 14:09 |
| * alterego should be quiet and just eat his breakfast like a good boy. | 14:09 | |
| lardman | :) | 14:09 |
| lardman | it is probably reasonably simple - reading various sizes of data from an ogg_buffer | 14:10 |
| lardman | I just need to sit down and work out what's going wrong | 14:10 |
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| alterego | Sure if you know how big those chunks are. | 14:13 |
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| lardman | yeah, there are different functions to read different sized chunks | 14:13 |
| alterego | Not knowing anything about ogg format .. | 14:13 |
| alterego | Is this some kind of variable bityrate thing? | 14:13 |
| lardman | that doesn't matter, this is utility code which is used to read structures out of the ogg page/stream thingy | 14:14 |
| lardman | it currently returns zeros | 14:14 |
| lardman | I'm not sure if the problem is the reading code or the buffer itself, will have to do some more debugging to work it out | 14:14 |
| alterego | Right. | 14:15 |
| lardman | :( | 14:15 |
| lardman | need to write some code to allow me to send back chunks of memory to the ARM without disrupting the Tremor decoder, great! | 14:16 |
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| * alterego thinks of somthing to do. | 14:17 | |
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| alterego | Need to get 0.4.1 out-the-window .. | 14:18 |
| lardman | defenestrated? | 14:19 |
| alterego | Sorry? | 14:19 |
| lardman | out the window ;) | 14:19 |
| alterego | :) | 14:19 |
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| alterego | Interwesting. | 14:23 |
| Khertan_TheReal | re | 14:24 |
| alterego | Khertan_TheReal, you're using 0.4.0 right? | 14:25 |
| alterego | That was a pretty unstable version of hildon/desktop | 14:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum i ll look | 14:25 |
| alterego | 0.4.1 will be available shortly. | 14:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s not instable if don't do nawak | 14:26 |
| alterego | I know 0.4.0 kills the desktop. I've done it a fair few times ;) | 14:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | the problem is that if i want to refresh my widget | 14:26 |
| alterego | Khertan_TheReal, you're obviously getting exceptions. That's what's causing the crashes. | 14:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i call a refresh method by a GLIB::Timeout.add() | 14:26 |
| alterego | Having said that, I've not touched statusbar yet .. | 14:27 |
| alterego | Tested .. | 14:27 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego > yes i think a exception is raise when my widget is unselect do to the fact that the method called by the timeout doesn't exist anymore | 14:27 |
| alterego | Right | 14:28 |
| alterego | 0.4.1 stops crashes and reports errors. | 14:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but if i understand there is no destroy method on ruby called when a object is destroy | 14:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | 0.4.1 stops crashes and reports errors. > cool, but there will be still an error :) | 14:29 |
| alterego | That's to help you fix the bug :P | 14:29 |
| Khertan_TheReal | its ll help for future bug :) | 14:29 |
| alterego | Currently the reporting method is a big messy. | 14:29 |
| alterego | I want to improve it. | 14:30 |
| alterego | That's basically all that's holding up 0.4.1 | 14:30 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but how can i know when my plugin is removed so i can call GLib::Timeout.remove() | 14:30 |
| alterego | Hmm .. | 14:30 |
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| alterego | Ah, that's a bug in my code. | 14:32 |
| alterego | I'll fix that too. | 14:32 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s seems that in the c api .... the second parameter of the register method is the unregister too | 14:32 |
| Khertan_TheReal | a bug ? | 14:32 |
| alterego | I don't have a plugin destroy/cleanup method .. | 14:32 |
| alterego | Must have slipped my mind ;) | 14:33 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so it ll automatically destroy it ? | 14:33 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol | 14:33 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | great ... nothing to do ... it ll be easier | 14:33 |
| alterego | :) | 14:33 |
| Khertan_TheReal | an other question ... is there a way to make transparent background with a gtk.label ? | 14:34 |
| alterego | Good question. | 14:34 |
| alterego | As far as I know, All Gtk widgets can have the alpha set. | 14:34 |
| alterego | But I don't entirely know how. | 14:34 |
| alterego | That's more of a Gtk question though. You'd probably do better asking them or googling for "Gtk transparency" or something. | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | aren't gtk labels already transparent? | 14:35 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: I'd love to know if you find out :) | 14:36 |
| Spakman_ | ah, just read alterego's reply - doh! | 14:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | That's more of a Gtk > but as you seem to well know gtk :) | 14:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | right :) | 14:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ll look a bit more on google | 14:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | mgedmin> on widget made with gtk and ruby gtk::label background is blank | 14:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | s/blank/white | 14:39 |
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| mgedmin | I think the background is drawn by the parent widget (the window?) rather than the label itself | 14:39 |
| mgedmin | but I might be wrong | 14:40 |
| alterego | mgedmin, it's slightly different with plugins I believe. | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | statusbar/homepage plugins, you mean? | 14:41 |
| alterego | status-bar/home/navigator yes :) | 14:41 |
| alterego | I'd love to see a useful navigator plugin. | 14:41 |
| alterego | Maybe replace the web item with a favorites application menu. | 14:42 |
| alterego | Though, it should still have the browser launcher and a sub menu for the bookmarks,. | 14:42 |
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| mgedmin | I know how to make a label with a transparent background for a plugin that sits in the gnome system tray | 14:42 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i'm interested | 14:43 |
| Khertan_TheReal | bkshfsdkfh | 14:43 |
| Khertan_TheReal | how ? | 14:43 |
| * mgedmin looking | 14:43 | |
| mgedmin | I create an EggTrayIcon, put a gtk.HBox inside with an gtk.Image (transparent png) next to a gtk.Label | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | then call show_all | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | no special code to enable transparency | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | I think EggTrayIcon does all the hard stuff | 14:44 |
| Khertan_TheReal | EggTrayIcon ... ? don't know | 14:44 |
| mgedmin | it's not a solution for maemo, I know that | 14:45 |
| mgedmin | although I did check to see how the load applet and panelclock implemented transparency on maemo | 14:45 |
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| mgedmin | they use gtk Images with transparent backgrounds | 14:45 |
| mgedmin | both are statusbar applets | 14:46 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows where to download canola-beta2 | 14:53 |
| bedboi | |tbb|: it's not available yet | 14:53 |
| bedboi | you have to wait for 10pm brazilian time | 14:54 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > what is the function of the widget you are trying to do ? | 14:56 |
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| tbb | re | 15:00 |
| tbb | whats brazil time in europe time(berlin) | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | tbb: Tomorrow morning.. | 15:01 |
| tbb | could anyone tell me what are the most pro advantages of the modest email client instead of the built in or claws | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | tbb: It actually works ;) | 15:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | tbb: it work ... doen't crash because my box have 15000msg | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | tbb: imap folders work great, better use of screen. | 15:02 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | and support imap offline | 15:02 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | use less data to sync ... | 15:03 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | and really made for a mobile usage | 15:04 |
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| tbb | thx, will try it | 15:14 |
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| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: it will be a search interface to my mapping application | 15:15 |
| alterego | Buy more butter! | 15:16 |
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| alterego | Great, another mapping application :P | 15:18 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: FWIW, this one uses proprietry maps and is just for me :P | 15:20 |
| alterego | How selfish :P | 15:20 |
| alterego | What's your map source? | 15:20 |
| alterego | On a different note. I started coding my own maps application too .. | 15:21 |
| alterego | ^_^ | 15:21 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: OS | 15:21 |
| alterego | Oh, cool. | 15:21 |
| alterego | How much did you pay for those? | 15:22 |
| alterego | (If you paid) | 15:22 |
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| alterego | Or did you just scan them in ;) | 15:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego > an other question about ruby ... is there a help() function like in python ? | 15:23 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | (this help function call help about what is in between () ...) | 15:23 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: scanned 'em | 15:24 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | (for example : help(gtk.label) give method, attribute, constant, and mainly ... explain about all methods) | 15:24 |
| Spakman_ | I guess the engine could be used for the online maps, a la Maemo Mapper, etc. | 15:25 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: what does your map app use? | 15:25 |
| alterego | Khertan_TheReal, in irb you can use 'help' but that requires the rdoc docs to be compiled. | 15:26 |
| alterego | It would be 'help 'Gtk::Label; | 15:27 |
| alterego | It would be 'help 'Gtk::Label' | 15:27 |
| Khertan_TheReal | oki ... | 15:27 |
| alterego | But I've not compiled rdoc. Because rdocs for C bindings are a pain in the ass. | 15:27 |
| alterego | Your best bet is looking at the API references for Gtk at ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp | 15:28 |
| alterego | I know my binding documentation is crap. Maybe I'll have time over Christmas. | 15:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | if only we can have python binding for maemo-desktop .... look what we can port easily : http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/desklets.html | 15:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ;) | 15:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego > rdoc isn't a priority i think | 15:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ll download api reference and read it with microb | 15:29 |
| alterego | Sure, I'm happy to answer questions about how things work via email or here. | 15:29 |
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| alterego | My priority right now is making it stable and testing it all. | 15:29 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 15:29 |
| alterego | Stable and complete. | 15:29 |
| alterego | My bindings for hildon are pretty good, but I lack support for other libraries. | 15:30 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and ... many thanks for your great and usefull answers :) | 15:30 |
| alterego | There's no true dbus library for Ruby so it looks Iike I'm gonna have to write that one myself O_O | 15:30 |
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| Tak | hooray! | 15:30 |
| Khertan_TheReal | you are the only one to port ruby ? | 15:30 |
| alterego | I'm the only ruby-maemo developer. Tak does ruby-game, but I've not had a chance to play with that. | 15:31 |
| Tak | anybody happen to know if there's a way to prompt rexml to quote attributes with double quotes? | 15:31 |
| alterego | Tak, I got your email, yes that slipped my mind ;) I'll sort it out this evening :D | 15:31 |
| Tak | alterego: no problem, no hurry | 15:31 |
| alterego | Why would you want to force double quotes? | 15:31 |
| Tak | to keep as much compatibility as possible with the output of the previous implementation, even where it /shouldn't/ matter | 15:32 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:32 |
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| alterego | To be hones. I think showing up bugs in other peoples code is benificial ;) | 15:33 |
| alterego | Though, if it's compatibility with your own code .. Well, that's different ;) | 15:34 |
| Tak | only when they're likely to fix them ;-) | 15:34 |
| Tak | nah, not my code - I'm using rexml on both sides | 15:34 |
| alterego | Then it should work fine .. | 15:34 |
| alterego | Well, do answer your question. The only way is to override the 'to_string' method. | 15:35 |
| alterego | That's odd, REXML uses a regular expression, just to test for a single character. | 15:36 |
| alterego | I wonder if that's an attempt at being UTF capable. | 15:36 |
| alterego | Anyhow, the 'Attrubyte#to_string' method is only a five line method. So it's really no biggy to copy and paste it into your app and override it with double quotes. | 15:37 |
| Tak | interesting typo | 15:37 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:38 |
| alterego | Attr, Ruby, Byte .. | 15:38 |
| alterego | That's pretty cool | 15:38 |
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| Tak | hmm, so looking at that, I should be able to set Element::context[:attribute_quote] | 15:40 |
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| Tak | s/Element/Document/ | 15:45 |
| * Tak stabs infobot | 15:45 | |
| infobot | Tak meant: hmm, so looking at that, I should be able to set Document::context[:attribute_quote] | 15:45 |
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| Tak | Stabbing: It Always Helps. | 15:49 |
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| gw280 | is there a way of getting bitmap fonts in osso-xterm? | 16:11 |
| inz | gw, AFAIK any font supported by pango/fontconfig should work | 16:13 |
| gw280 | ok | 16:14 |
| gw280 | how do you install fonts then? :) | 16:14 |
| Sampppa | hey.. i got an invitation tuo upload to extras but now there is a problem when filling that invitation with my gpg and ssh keys. What kind of gpg key it should be? It just doesnt allow my public gpg key whic is 1024D DSA. I keep getting Error: the key you provided is not a valid PGP or GPG public key | 16:14 |
| inz | gw, try putting the font to ~/.fonts (i.e. /home/user/.fonts) | 16:14 |
| Tak | Sampppa: mine's 1024D as well, and it accepted it ok | 16:15 |
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| Sampppa | did you just export the key to a file and copypasted it to invitation page? | 16:16 |
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| Tak | as far as I can remember | 16:18 |
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| Sampppa | Tak: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- | 16:20 |
| Sampppa | Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) | 16:20 |
| Sampppa | is it correct version ? | 16:20 |
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| Spakman_ | do I need to do anything special to enable the on-screen thumb keyboard in my Hildon app? I only get the stylus keyboard :( | 16:21 |
| Tak | -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----(newline)Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) | 16:21 |
| Tak | is the header of mine | 16:21 |
| maddler | Sampppa: you have to create a RSA key, IIRC | 16:21 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | noone know a php that create and maintain a debian repository and where we can add a .deb by php to the repository ? :) | 16:22 |
| Tak | Spakman_: push with your thumb? | 16:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak> not on os2008 | 16:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 16:22 |
| Spakman_ | Tak: doesn't want to work for my app | 16:22 |
| Spakman_ | (2008) | 16:22 |
| L0cutus | does exists gnupg for os2008 ? | 16:23 |
| Tak | heh, can't say for 2008 | 16:23 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ use the ok button (center button of the dpad) when focus is a text field | 16:23 |
| L0cutus | ops | 16:24 |
| L0cutus | found it | 16:24 |
| L0cutus | :) | 16:24 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: that OK's the dialog for me, like hitting enter | 16:24 |
| Khertan_TheReal | L0cutus found what ? | 16:24 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | lol ... don't do it in a dialog windows :) | 16:24 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (it s the same problem with gpe) | 16:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | in fact there is a bug in 2008 displaying the thumb keyboard by pression | 16:25 |
| L0cutus | khertan, gpg (command line) | 16:25 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | there is a prefs too for launching thumb keyboard with center dpad button | 16:27 |
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| Sampppa | maddler: i cant create RSA key. when i type gpg --gen-key and select RSA and go trough the steps it finally says: gpg: [internal]:0: invalid algorithm | 16:30 |
| alterego | The thumb board is feckin' annoying .. | 16:30 |
| * Tak <3 the thumb board | 16:30 | |
| alterego | It's good for IM .. | 16:31 |
| alterego | Rubbish in xterm, it's broken. | 16:31 |
| alterego | Though, more likely xterm is broken. | 16:31 |
| L0cutus | no claws-mail plugin for gnupg.... | 16:31 |
| Spakman_ | is there a way to programatically bring up the thumb keyboard? | 16:32 |
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| Tak | probably - check out the HIM docs | 16:34 |
| alterego | Urgh, it's being one of those days. | 16:36 |
| alterego | Can't seem to get anything done. | 16:36 |
| Tak | btw, are you going to want to host rgvkb, or should I host it on garage? | 16:36 |
| Sampppa | hmm only DSA algorithm is supported on my gpg ? | 16:37 |
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| timeless | hello world | 16:40 |
| timeless | could someone please help me? | 16:40 |
| timeless | i'm looking for the repositories that 2007he uses | 16:40 |
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| Tak | timeless: like...apt repos? | 16:42 |
| alterego | Tak, up to you. I'd be happy to host it. | 16:42 |
| Tak | or source control? | 16:42 |
| alterego | Which reminds me. | 16:42 |
| alterego | I should really put in you in the ruby-maemo apt repository. | 16:42 |
| timeless | tak: apt | 16:42 |
| Tak | alterego: the only reason I'd ask you to host is to keep all the ruby stuff in one place | 16:42 |
| Tak | timeless: we just use the bora repos | 16:43 |
| alterego | Tak, yeah. I think that's a good idea. But it's your baby ;) | 16:43 |
| timeless | tak: ok, how do i find out the versions of all packages "shipped" in all 2007he_s_ ? | 16:43 |
| Tak | hah | 16:43 |
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| Tak | step 1, flash 2007HE... | 16:43 |
| timeless | repeat step 1 how many times? | 16:44 |
| alterego | I thought 2007HE used the 2007 repository. | 16:44 |
| Tak | until you don't get infinite reboot loop anymore | 16:44 |
| alterego | "bora" | 16:44 |
| Tak | it does | 16:44 |
| timeless | so.... | 16:44 |
| timeless | how many 2007he's are there? | 16:45 |
| sp3000 | oh, look a modest | 16:45 |
| timeless | a modest/ | 16:45 |
| timeless | did it announce itself? | 16:45 |
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| timeless | gah, why is it so hard to find the 2007he download flash? | 16:46 |
| sp3000 | yeah, http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/ | 16:46 |
| Tak | there have been three releases iirc | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | timeless: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 16:46 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: looks like http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ has all | 16:46 |
| Tak | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php?f=SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:47 |
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| Tak | then dpkg -l '*' | grep '^ii' | awk '{ print $2" "$3 }' should get you installed packages and versions ;-) | 16:49 |
| Sampppa | maddler: where does it say it has to be RSA key? | 16:49 |
| timeless | tak: don't suppose you have a convenient way to do that for me? | 16:50 |
| Tak | more convenient that a one-liner? | 16:50 |
| timeless | that'd require reflashing the device | 16:51 |
| Tak | ah | 16:51 |
| timeless | (finding it first, etc.) | 16:51 |
| Tak | I could run it on my device, but I have extra stuff installed | 16:51 |
| Tak | I guess it might be possible to extract the rootfs, chroot into it, and do that | 16:52 |
| jumpula | dpkg --get-selections | 16:53 |
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| lardman | re | 16:55 |
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| Sampppa | still it doesn accept my key. i made RSA key now | 17:07 |
| Sampppa | Error: the key you provided is not a valid PGP or GPG public key | 17:07 |
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| Tak | alterego: you have any thoughts on http://rafb.net/p/zvKepu37.html ? | 17:16 |
| Tak | I get that in sbox, and on the device, but not on a desktop install | 17:16 |
| sp3000 | timeless: I guess the mounting thing would, but I can't get mtdram to give me a bigger than 100MB ramdisk, which in this one random cases seems to have meant that /var/lib/dpkg/status isn't there | 17:17 |
| alterego | Eesh | 17:17 |
| alterego | Bug in REXML | 17:17 |
| Khertan_TheReal | "RT73 Injection patch Drivers for 2K8 | 17:18 |
| timeless | nice | 17:18 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=107711#post107711 | 17:18 |
| alterego | I think I've seen this before. | 17:18 |
| Khertan_TheReal | have u see the last post | 17:18 |
| alterego | I think it happened to me a while back. | 17:18 |
| Tak | you know of a workaround? | 17:18 |
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| alterego | I think you're supposed to use the REXML::Formatter class for outputing documents. | 17:18 |
| alterego | You'd probably do better asking on the ruby-lang mailing lists or #ruby-lang .. | 17:19 |
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| Disconnect | anyone else having touchscreen problems on their n800? just cuts out periodically, generally for a while, and always about 30-45 seconds after the it finishes booting.. (so - eg - enough time to launch an app, not enough to do anything in it) | 17:27 |
| Disconnect | feels like software somewhere just cuz of the repeatability during boot | 17:27 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Disconnect > It s not a touchscreen problem | 17:30 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s again this stupid meta crawler daemon | 17:30 |
| Khertan_TheReal | which scan all your sd at boot | 17:30 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (in fact each time it is launched) | 17:30 |
| Disconnect | fun | 17:31 |
| Khertan_TheReal | take a look here ://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978 | 17:31 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http :) | 17:32 |
| Khertan_TheReal | there is a solution ... :) | 17:32 |
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| Spakman_ | I'd like to bring my application to the front programatically. Any ideas where to start looking? | 17:32 |
| Disconnect | coool. (and i suspect its unhappy at scanning all the mapper files. got the majority of new york to key west to new orleans in there..) | 17:32 |
| sp3000 | didn't mapper migrate to some db thinger | 17:33 |
| timeless | yes | 17:33 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ launch it again with dbus services | 17:33 |
| sp3000 | that oughta help | 17:33 |
| * sp3000 rather likes files, but, meh | 17:33 | |
| Khertan_TheReal | if it wasn't launch , it ll be launch | 17:33 |
| Khertan_TheReal | if not ... it ll be back to front | 17:34 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | ?? | 17:34 |
| timeless | shh | 17:34 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: thanks a lot, I'll start looking | 17:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ./whois khertan_ | 17:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | grrr | 17:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ctcp khertan VERSION | 17:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | arfg | 17:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | sorry | 17:36 |
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| Disconnect | hmm. that report basically says its fixed in 2008 .. but it isn't (at least on mine) :( | 17:38 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | same thing on mine | 17:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | maybe fix on a more update version of 2008 | 17:39 |
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| Disconnect | oooh. wait. it says its fixed in the latest 2007. | 17:41 |
| Disconnect | but that wasn't true either :( | 17:41 |
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| Tak | alterego: I think I'm just going to do: if(MAEMO) plain output else prettyprint | 17:45 |
| alterego | Oh yes .. Pretty print, that was exactly what happened to me. | 17:46 |
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| Tak | meh, my headphone port is messed up - I /really/ hope it's these headphones | 17:48 |
| Tak | hmm...it's nice to not have an extra dependency, but the ruby version of this script is a lot slower than the perl version :-/ | 17:49 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego: I'm trying to get my Ruby app working with DBUS, but trying to launch it just seems to restart the whole GUI. Is there are way to register a DBUS service in Ruby? | 17:52 |
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| alterego | OSSO | 17:53 |
| Spakman_ | thanks | 17:54 |
| alterego | There is no D-BUS library for Ruby | 17:55 |
| alterego | OSSO works for simple things. | 17:55 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s seems i ve forgotten to close two of my ssh irssi session :) | 17:55 |
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| robtaylor | alterego: https://trac.luon.net/ruby-dbus | 17:57 |
| robtaylor | alterego: looks pretty real to me ;) | 17:57 |
| alterego | robtaylor, as real as dbus-send. | 17:57 |
| robtaylor | alterego: no, read the code | 17:57 |
| robtaylor | alterego: from a quick skim, it looks like a complete ruby implementation of dbus | 17:57 |
| alterego | robtaylor, my point is it's a pure ruby implementation. It's not a proper binding and it doesn't work well with OSSO. Well, at all. | 17:58 |
| robtaylor | alterego: umm, nothing wrond with a pure ruby impl | 17:58 |
| alterego | So, you're stuck with using one or the other. | 17:58 |
| robtaylor | alterego: no reason it shouldn't work | 17:58 |
| alterego | I included that library in my first ruby-maemo release. | 17:58 |
| alterego | Believe me, I've used it. | 17:58 |
| robtaylor | alterego: there's absolutely nothing about dbus that forces languages to bind to libdbus | 17:59 |
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| alterego | It's a POS. | 17:59 |
| robtaylor | alterego: what version? | 17:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman > an other way i do ... in pygtkeditor ... | 17:59 |
| alterego | What version of what? | 17:59 |
| robtaylor | alterego:ruby-dbus | 17:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | create a script that launch your application.rb in /bin | 17:59 |
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| alterego | The version that was around 3 or 4 months ago when I first started ruby-maemo .. | 17:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | create a service file /usr/share/things/truc/application.services | 18:00 |
| robtaylor | alterego: well, as a dbus guy looking at their code, it looks good to me | 18:00 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and create an osso context in your app at launch | 18:00 |
| robtaylor | alterego: definitly not a POS | 18:00 |
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| alterego | Well, you can use it then. | 18:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and when i call pygtkeditor in xterm and is allready launched ... it bring back to front | 18:01 |
| robtaylor | alterego: what issues did you have exactly? | 18:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > just my two cents... :) | 18:01 |
| alterego | I told you, | 18:01 |
| alterego | You can't use Ruby-DBUS and ruby-OSSO together. | 18:01 |
| robtaylor | alterego: you've said a couple of times its just a wrapper round dbus-send which is bull | 18:01 |
| alterego | Which means you lose out on a _lot_ of functionality. | 18:01 |
| robtaylor | alterego: ah, now, that makes sense | 18:02 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > do u have found how to make transparent gtk::label ? | 18:02 |
| alterego | I never said it was a wrapper around dbus-send. | 18:02 |
| robtaylor | alterego: actually it should work as each will get a seperate bus connection | 18:02 |
| robtaylor | alterego: I guess the biggest problem will be in terms of mainloop usage | 18:02 |
| alterego | I don't think it did work when I tried it. That's why I removed it. | 18:02 |
| robtaylor | alterego: does ruby-OSSo use a glib mainloop? | 18:03 |
| alterego | Of course. | 18:03 |
| alterego | I suppose they could add a hook into the main loop .. | 18:03 |
| robtaylor | alterego: yep, thats all thats needed | 18:03 |
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| robtaylor | alterego: Connection::glibize | 18:05 |
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| robtaylor | alterego: seems its there | 18:05 |
| alterego | I'll look into that at some point. | 18:05 |
| alterego | robtaylor, thanks ;) | 18:06 |
| robtaylor | alterego: though there is some kinda wierd errors I can see. It shouldn't be returning that introspection that it is | 18:06 |
| robtaylor | alterego: hey, just though i'd actually take a look at the code for once ;) | 18:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:07 |
| alterego | If there are just trivial flaws in ruby-dbus I don't mind fixing it. | 18:07 |
| alterego | I can't remember what errors I was getting and what exactly I was attempting to do. | 18:08 |
| alterego | But I'll certainly look back at it as an option. | 18:08 |
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| Tak | why do you want to make a transparent gtk label? | 18:11 |
| zwnj | oki | 18:11 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak ... because ... :) | 18:11 |
| Khertan_TheReal | a home-desktop applet | 18:11 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: I've tried out your suggestion, but the GUI crashes and restarts as soon as I try to start the app when I have the service line in my .desktop :( | 18:11 |
| Spakman_ | any thoughts? | 18:11 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and i'm not the only one ... Spakman_ want too ... | 18:11 |
| Tak | gtk doesn't really deal with transparency/translucency at all | 18:12 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: not tried out the transparent label yet | 18:12 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ u have a .service file too ? | 18:12 |
| alterego | Tak, I think it's something to do with Gdk ;) | 18:12 |
| Spakman_ | yep, pointing to /usr/bin/my-program | 18:12 |
| Khertan_TheReal | alterego > you re right ... but i don't know how to get gdk from a gtk::label (hum i m talking like a ruby program) | 18:13 |
| alterego | Khertan_TheReal, it's in there somewhere. | 18:13 |
| alterego | I actually did this the other day .,. Hang on. | 18:13 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i m looking between two compilation between my work :) | 18:13 |
| gw280 | my N810 seems to be missing a screw :( | 18:14 |
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| alterego | gw280, send it to me. I'll keep it safe for you. | 18:15 |
| gw280 | no | 18:15 |
| alterego | The N810 that is .. | 18:15 |
| gw280 | no | 18:16 |
| gw280 | http://vm.gwright.org.uk/nokian810.jpg | 18:16 |
| alterego | Damn, | 18:16 |
| gw280 | slightly annoyed :( | 18:16 |
| zoran | you need a screw to run n810? | 18:16 |
| gw280 | no | 18:17 |
| alterego | I'd send it back, or take it to a Nokia shop. | 18:17 |
| gw280 | alterego: I've emailed the company I bought it off | 18:17 |
| lardman | is it a missing screw or somewhere to screw in a strap? | 18:17 |
| alterego | They look like standard torq screws. | 18:17 |
| gw280 | lardman: it looks like a missing screw, given that the other side has one in | 18:18 |
| Tak | don't worry, that screw just holds everything together | 18:18 |
| lardman | fair enough, just a though | 18:18 |
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| alterego | I wouldn't even bother talking to them. I'd just get a replacement screw .. | 18:18 |
| zoran | and parts around on the floor | 18:18 |
| alterego | It's not worth the hassle of sending it back and being without it for god knows how many weeks .. | 18:18 |
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| gw280 | alterego: it's been a day... I think that classifies as DOA | 18:19 |
| alterego | Eh? | 18:19 |
| gw280 | in the UK the retailer handles the warranty for the first year anyway | 18:19 |
| lardman | gw280: yeah, if you can take it back in person anyway | 18:19 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: I'm confused. I have a .service file and a .desktop file (both point to /usr/bin/my_app). In my application I do context = OSSO.initialize "my_app", "0.1.0". Yet, when I start the app, the GUI restarts. | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | gw280: I'd visit a Nokia service center. They will get you a new screw.. | 18:20 |
| lardman | gw280: otherwise you'll do well to get a replacement at this time of year | 18:20 |
| gw280 | are there nokia service centres in the UK? | 18:20 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > strange | 18:20 |
| lardman | must be, not sure they're exposed to the users though | 18:20 |
| lardman | or vice versa | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | gw280: http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4228006 | 18:21 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > i can't help you more ... sorry | 18:21 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_TheReal: no worries, thanks for the help so far | 18:21 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > as i do this in python ... and this seems to work | 18:21 |
| zoran | he could be said "your phone is not working" if he find "right" person | 18:21 |
| lardman | gw280: where'd you get it from? | 18:22 |
| Spakman_ | Perhaps my service registration is wrong | 18:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | gw280> if you shake do you hear the screw moving in the case ? | 18:22 |
| gw280 | I can hear something moving, but I don't think it's a screw | 18:23 |
| zoran | pointer? | 18:24 |
| Khertan_TheReal | don't boring you ... return it ... | 18:24 |
| Khertan_TheReal | if a screw is missing there is two possibility ... | 18:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | screw lost between assembly chain and you in transport | 18:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | or misassembled device | 18:25 |
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| zoran | the second is more believable | 18:26 |
| lardman | I wonder if you can tell by looking at the screw thread | 18:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | the two is often bad sign ... and you ll probably discover other problem in few time | 18:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | the screw thread ? | 18:26 |
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| lardman | well the thread in the hole | 18:32 |
| lardman | see if it looks used | 18:32 |
| lardman | probably best to take it back, but if you have to send it back it might take ages as isn't nearly xmas, etc. | 18:32 |
| blurrg | Hi, I have a completely newbie question: Is there an emulator for the n800 or n810 to run tests on apps or do I need to put them on my device to test them with a network and interacting with other apps? | 18:35 |
| zoran | lardman thinks the plastic should change the color or have a sign or usage? | 18:35 |
| Tak | blurrg: have you configured a scratchbox environment? | 18:36 |
| blurrg | yes, | 18:36 |
| blurrg | it does not look like the one in the tutorial, though | 18:36 |
| Tak | that should be all you need... | 18:36 |
| lardman | zoran: oh, it's plastic is it | 18:36 |
| lardman | might still see some sign | 18:36 |
| zoran | I think I would replace it, but it could be a pain in the whatever | 18:38 |
| blurrg | ok, so I have not finished with the tutorial, but does it tell me how to install other applications there? well, I will keep going with it. Thanks | 18:38 |
| Tak | you can install other applications using apt | 18:38 |
| Spakman_ | see ya, folks | 18:41 |
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| Disconnect | anyone got tips on a vpnc server for linux? | 18:43 |
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| zoran | Disconnect, I see the app for os2006 | 18:46 |
| Disconnect | thats the client | 18:46 |
| Disconnect | i need a server to connect the other end :) | 18:46 |
| zoran | maybe they call it vpn concentrator | 18:48 |
| zoran | should work with ios | 18:48 |
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| Disconnect | right. unless someone's gonna send me a router/firewall that doesn't help much. (alternately, openvpn for 2008 would work.) | 18:53 |
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| alterego | I just picked up some free hardware from work. | 18:55 |
| alterego | It was hiding in a really old heavy (and crap looking) 2U rack mount | 18:55 |
| Tak | do they know? :-P | 18:55 |
| zoran | will we see you this months? :) | 18:56 |
| FMz | Any word on OS2008 final release date? | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | wget | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | E: Some packages could not be authenticated | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | /home/user # | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | ops | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | why i'm unable to install (as root) wget from cmd line ?!? | 18:58 |
| sKaBoy | L0cutus, write "s", not "y" :) | 18:58 |
| L0cutus | wth... | 18:59 |
| L0cutus | :) | 18:59 |
| L0cutus | thanks | 18:59 |
| sKaBoy | L0cutus, you italian right? i've seen the same bug.. :) | 18:59 |
| L0cutus | yes | 18:59 |
| sKaBoy | np! | 18:59 |
| Tak | hooray localization! | 18:59 |
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| L0cutus | this got me crazy ;) | 18:59 |
| alterego | Tak, yeah. I asked. | 18:59 |
| alterego | It was being thrown out. | 18:59 |
| alterego | I don't think they realised it had a Core2Due based system with 2G of RAM installed and 2x 500G HDD | 19:00 |
| Tak | damn | 19:00 |
| * alterego checks the speed of the C2D | 19:00 | |
| Tak | it would be great if the language in question's translation of "yes" began with "n" | 19:00 |
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| keesj | :p | 19:01 |
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| lopz | re | 19:01 |
| lardman | bye | 19:02 |
| Disconnect | alterego: i've got some old gear but nothing that can handle the various demands of service here. (firewall, logging, vpn, IDS, on a loaded 15Mb line) | 19:02 |
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| zoran | alterego, one would expect opteron/else in 2u | 19:02 |
| * Disconnect is using an openwrt box now, works really well actually | 19:02 | |
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| Disconnect | looks like the old openvpn package might work tho. | 19:03 |
| alterego | zoran, sure, obviously this was just a spare case they threw some desktop hardware in .. | 19:05 |
| zoran | or rather laptop | 19:05 |
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| zoran | btw, barcelona was postponed | 19:06 |
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| alterego | zoran, "or rather laptop"? | 19:09 |
| alterego | Are you calling me a liar? :P | 19:09 |
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| penguinbait | maybe, what are you lying about? | 19:09 |
| alterego | :) | 19:09 |
| alterego | The hardware in this old 2U case. | 19:09 |
| alterego | I need to find an ATX case to put this stuff in. | 19:10 |
| alterego | It's a lot better than anything I've got right now. | 19:10 |
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| alterego | Might actually make me more productive ^_^ this craptop I'm using now is so sloow. | 19:10 |
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| penguinbait | whats amazing to me is I have a dual boot system, linux boots and I am on a webpage in less than 60 seconds, Windows XP tablet edition, same machine, takes me 8 minutes before I can start a browser. Is microsoft ever going to clean it up, or will they just keep depending on more processing power? | 19:13 |
| alterego | I'm guess they all have a coffee whilst things are booting up. | 19:14 |
| alterego | Gives them a good excuse to have a coffee. | 19:14 |
| alterego | Or a cigarette or whatever. | 19:14 |
| penguinbait | maybe I should start smoking again | 19:14 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:14 |
| penguinbait | cigarettes I mean :) | 19:14 |
| alterego | "Windows made me start smoking" | 19:14 |
| penguinbait | I quit cold turkey in 2003, and bought a boat | 19:15 |
| penguinbait | If I would have waited a few more years, I could have afforded a bigger boat :) | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | A boat . . . | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ha | 19:15 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Why a boat? | 19:16 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Zepplins are the way to go. | 19:16 |
| penguinbait | I like water | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would put me right back on cigarettes. | 19:16 |
| penguinbait | nice | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boats are such a pain. | 19:16 |
| Tak | you can't waterski behind a zeppelin | 19:16 |
| penguinbait | I like throwing people off tubes! | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just mean. | 19:17 |
| penguinbait | besides I can swim if I need to | 19:17 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:17 |
| penguinbait | I cant fly | 19:17 |
| alterego | Or fake your death only to return 5 years later. | 19:17 |
| Vulc|Bleh | [12:17:05] <penguinbait> I like throwing people off tubes! -- Hacker! | 19:17 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Oh, tubes, not THE tubes. | 19:17 |
| penguinbait | GA, why is that mean? its fun | 19:18 |
| Tak | plus it keeps them from smoking | 19:18 |
| penguinbait | perhaps if you got out more often, you could work on that tan ;) | 19:19 |
| penguinbait | heh, yes it does | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boat was sold in January. | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good riddance. ;) | 19:19 |
| penguinbait | Well mine has never seen salt water | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah . . . that helps a bit. | 19:20 |
| penguinbait | what was your issues with the boat | 19:20 |
| penguinbait | I heard definition of boat = whole in the water you throw money into | 19:20 |
| penguinbait | hole | 19:21 |
| penguinbait | not whole | 19:21 |
| jumpula | hole world | 19:21 |
| penguinbait | its lunchtime here in michigan, off to grub!! | 19:22 |
| penguinbait | see ya | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Boats are fun, but it's just a tone of work to keep them going. | 19:22 |
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| deejoe | Break Out Another Thousand | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeppers. | 19:22 |
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| Sampppa | can i sign .dep package correctly to be uploaded to extras if i built that .deb with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc -D | 19:27 |
| Sampppa | tutorial says that it should be build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -i | 19:28 |
| Tak | should be ok | 19:29 |
| Sampppa | ok | 19:29 |
| Tak | although -D suggests that your build dependencies are broken | 19:29 |
| Sampppa | guess why i wasnt getting proper gpg key? | 19:29 |
| Tak | ...which might indicate that the installation dependencies will be incorrect as well | 19:30 |
| Tak | why? | 19:30 |
| Sampppa | i was running ubuntu on vmware and some how it fucked it up | 19:30 |
| keesj | funny I have to use --host=arm-linux for moost configure based programs (sdl-gfx) | 19:30 |
| Sampppa | no id did keygen without vmware and it worked | 19:31 |
| Tak | keesj: I didn't | 19:31 |
| Tak | oh, I also got visualboyadvance to build in the chinook env | 19:32 |
| keesj | I am loosing so much time becasue of sbox right now , it was supposed to help me | 19:32 |
| Tak | so I guess it's not a g++ issue | 19:32 |
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| keesj | now figthing with readline | 19:33 |
| keesj | it still is black magic for me where the SDK's are produced | 19:33 |
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| elpaso | Hi | 19:36 |
| elpaso | Any lucky owner of a n810 is willing to test my first chinook tuxpaint port? I still don't have one (yet). | 19:38 |
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| Tak | elpaso: just upload it to extras-devel and let them take their chances ;-) | 19:39 |
| elpaso | I will do it but not now, I just dont' remember how to do it, the last time took me hours :( | 19:39 |
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| Tak | add entry to /etc/dput.cf , then `dput whatever_you_titled_the_entry tuxpaint_whatever.changes` | 19:42 |
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| elpaso | Tak: no debian signature needed? | 19:51 |
| Tak | oh, I figured you'd already signed them | 19:51 |
| Tak | then add a debsign in there | 19:51 |
| elpaso | Tak: the last time I packaged something was more than 6 months ago... my memory leaks | 19:52 |
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| Tak | you should try garbage collection | 19:54 |
| Tak | yay more swap! | 19:55 |
| * Tak consider reinstalling python | 19:55 | |
| L0cutus | what is the right command line to pass to the flasher to flash only a kernel image ? | 19:58 |
| Tak | to flash a kernel image, or to flash the kernel portion of a fiasco image? | 19:59 |
| L0cutus | zImage | 19:59 |
| L0cutus | this one: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kernel-rx-34-2.6.21.0.tar.gz | 20:00 |
| Tak | wouldn't it be `flasher -k kernel_image -f -R ? | 20:00 |
| L0cutus | perfect, thanks :) | 20:00 |
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| elpaso | Tak: just added some DDR2 ECC to my left brain side :) | 20:03 |
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| elpaso | Ok, uploading to extras-devel-chinook... | 20:12 |
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| Tak | huzzah! | 20:13 |
| elpaso | But I did not test it on N810 since I don't have one, just hope that works. | 20:15 |
| Tak | same with all of my packages | 20:16 |
| elpaso | Do they give feedback? | 20:16 |
| Tak | I did get some feedback eventually | 20:16 |
| elpaso | From who? | 20:17 |
| elpaso | Nokia? | 20:17 |
| Tak | no, from somebody who installed the package | 20:17 |
| elpaso | ok, let's wait and see | 20:18 |
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| |R | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 <- hehe nice (ogg) | 20:18 |
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| Sampppa | is it possible to upload extras with scp? | 20:28 |
| Sampppa | without dput? | 20:28 |
| Tak | supposedly | 20:29 |
| keesj | Sampppa: I you manage I would be very interrested! | 20:31 |
| Tak | whoever's doing all the on-mac development is doing it, iirc | 20:32 |
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| Sampppa | how long does it usually takes for application to show up to extras repo after uploading? | 20:38 |
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| Tak | minute or two | 20:41 |
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| Sampppa | there comes no notification if the package is not accepted to extras? | 20:51 |
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| keesj | lame debian sh*t | 20:59 |
| nelson_ | what's lame debian sh*t? | 20:59 |
| nelson_ | Or are you referring to all lame debian sh*t in general? | 20:59 |
| keesj | They win the competution in how to make things difficult , badly documented and just plain anoying. | 21:00 |
| keesj | It still treats me like an idiot : apt-get -d install libreadline4: -> libreadline4 is already the newest version. | 21:00 |
| Tak | keesj: I think you're thinking of gentoo ;-) | 21:01 |
| keesj | I't all just to complicated and that is why there are so much errors in the repositories and such | 21:01 |
| keesj | no, no gentoo has good kerma | 21:02 |
| keesj | karma | 21:02 |
| Tak | apt-get --reinstall --download-only libreadline4 ;-) | 21:02 |
| Tak | + install | 21:03 |
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| keesj | thanks! | 21:04 |
| keesj | all I need are guru's! | 21:04 |
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| K`zan | keesj: Gentoo is wonderful as long as you never try to update it - seems to break something everytime (well, almost) you try :-(. | 22:07 |
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| Atarii | so usb host mode works with 2008OS now? | 22:20 |
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| penguinbait | yes | 22:22 |
| penguinbait | yes it does | 22:22 |
| penguinbait | mass storage and cdrom/dvd devices, and perhaps others | 22:22 |
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| K`zan | Need to get a drive in the usb->ide enclosure and see how that works out. | 22:23 |
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| penguinbait | its works | 22:23 |
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| Atarii | damn even more of a reason to upgrade my 770 | 22:23 |
| penguinbait | I mounted my 30GB USB drive | 22:23 |
| K`zan | Is the USB in the n800 smart enough to limit the current (200 mA IIRC) if something tries to draw more or does it just burn something up? | 22:24 |
| penguinbait | 770 has always supported USB devices | 22:24 |
| K`zan | 30G on an n800 LOL, love it :) | 22:24 |
| penguinbait | cd/dvd support | 22:24 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491&highlight=cdrom | 22:24 |
| Atarii | penguinbait does usb wifi work on the 770? | 22:25 |
| penguinbait | It provided power to my usb thumb drive, I needed extra power for usb hard drive | 22:25 |
| Atarii | ive read so much stuff on the forums its infomation overload | 22:25 |
| Tak | 770 didn't provide power, though | 22:25 |
| penguinbait | and my cd/dvd use wall power | 22:25 |
| K`zan | I tried a USB-<serial dongle and an ethernet dongle and it said "not supported" but it did that with my USB SD card reader too, but then it mounted it. Dunno. | 22:25 |
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| K`zan | Oh yes, the USB-IDE enclosure has it's down power supply. | 22:25 |
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| penguinbait | no 770 did not provide power, thats correct, you need a split cable 9$ | 22:26 |
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| K`zan | I made up my own power injector :-). | 22:26 |
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| suihkulokki | someone should try a usb-vga adapter :P | 22:26 |
| K`zan | http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI/ | 22:26 |
| K`zan | LOL | 22:26 |
| penguinbait | if I had more adapters, I would compile some more modules | 22:26 |
| penguinbait | :0 | 22:26 |
| K`zan | I found a set of USB adapters at the local thrift store with female A on one side and all sorts on the other. | 22:27 |
| penguinbait | I am using Nokia provided cable, and 1 2$ Female A to Female A gender bender | 22:28 |
| K`zan | Later discovered either a bad adapter or A to A cable, need to get back to checking that out. | 22:28 |
| penguinbait | works great | 22:28 |
| Tak | wtf - is that coax? | 22:28 |
| K`zan | Yep, a double female and a couple cables takes care of a lot of problems :). | 22:28 |
| penguinbait | Cost more for shipping that adapter | 22:28 |
| K`zan | Nope, the black thing is an input for a wall wart. | 22:28 |
| K`zan | Local thrift store gets some good stuff from time to time. | 22:29 |
| penguinbait | were those pictues taken from n800, god thats awful | 22:29 |
| K`zan | Now need to find a serial terminal and look over the modules I downloaded earlier to see if what I have is invluded there. | 22:29 |
| K`zan | Yes, they are. That is why I don't want an n810... | 22:30 |
| penguinbait | hhehe | 22:30 |
| K`zan | If the gps and keyboard are equally shitty, I'll go external BT stuff (as I have :-). | 22:30 |
| K`zan | Camera was a waste IMO | 22:30 |
| penguinbait | it says VGA which is 640x480 n800 was not as high resolution was it? | 22:30 |
| K`zan | Heh, I'm not sure what the res on the n800 actually is 640x something... | 22:31 |
| penguinbait | god I hope the camera is better | 22:31 |
| Tak | did anyone ever make a camera app that averages N frames into an image? | 22:31 |
| K`zan | Yeah, that thing in the n800 is a bad joke. | 22:31 |
| K`zan | Why would anyone bother with the camera in the n800? | 22:31 |
| K`zan | Better than nothing, but not by much. | 22:32 |
| K`zan | The one I had back in the 1990s (casio) was FAR better than that thing :). | 22:32 |
| Tak | it was never supposed to be used for stills, apparently | 22:33 |
| wumpus | for movies it's just as bad :P | 22:33 |
| K`zan | Hopefully my BT keyboad will actually make it here today. Worst shipping experience from Amazon yet. Everything else I ordered from the other side of the country is already here and has been for a few days now. The stuff from Amazon itself (in town here) went to the other side of the country and is slowly making it's way back :-). | 22:34 |
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| K`zan | Was supposed to be here yesterday... | 22:34 |
| K`zan | Glad I didn't take the day off to wait for it :-). | 22:34 |
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| penguinbait | the tech specs on the n800 just says integrated camera, the n810 says VGA which is 640x480, those pictures you show are 640x480. Man I really hope they changed something, the quality of the VGA on n800 is useless, I had really assumed they fixed that. | 22:35 |
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| K`zan | It is supposed to be better outside with good light. Those where shot on the desktop here with a fluorescent ... | 22:36 |
| K`zan | But I agree, if it sucked it would be a major improvement :) | 22:36 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 22:37 |
| penguinbait | major | 22:37 |
| K`zan | In theory (according to DHL tracking) my package from Amazon has finally made it back to scabattle... | 22:37 |
| K`zan | Maybe by Friday... | 22:38 |
| K`zan | Should have ordered it from newegg... | 22:38 |
| bstock | anyone know a good place to get an n810 fairly soon in the US? everywhere I look says backordered 2-3 weeks :( | 22:38 |
| K`zan | Nope, I am not even looking :-) | 22:38 |
| K`zan | n800 camera convinced me that built in stuff was something I didn't need to pay all the extra for. | 22:39 |
| derrick | if you have a compusa in your area try there | 22:39 |
| bstock | nah the one that was here closed down a few months ago | 22:40 |
| K`zan | Looks like buy.com has them: http://www.buy.com/prod/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-Full-Pull-out-QWERTY-Keyboard/q/loc/101/206228943.html | 22:40 |
| K`zan | overnight shipping :-)! | 22:41 |
| bstock | says 'Temporarily Sold Out.' under the add to cart button | 22:43 |
| K`zan | Oops, yes, sorry :-(. | 22:43 |
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| K`zan | Go with an n800 and get a bt gps and keyboard :-). | 22:44 |
| bstock | too much to carry around, i mainly want the built-in keyboard | 22:45 |
| K`zan | Much cheaper :). | 22:45 |
| bstock | i already have bt gps for my 770 | 22:45 |
| bstock | company is paying for it | 22:46 |
| K`zan | I really like having a choice. | 22:46 |
| K`zan | That helps :-) !!! | 22:46 |
| bstock | heh ya | 22:46 |
| K`zan | Get two, one as a backup ;-)! | 22:46 |
| bstock | heh i dunno if they'll go for that | 22:46 |
| K`zan | "Mission Critical(TM)" :-) | 22:46 |
| bstock | they'll say i have my 770 as a backup | 22:47 |
| K`zan | Oh well :-/. | 22:47 |
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| bstock | ya, sucks this isn't available anywhere | 22:47 |
| K`zan | Only if they bought it for you (770) :-) | 22:47 |
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| bstock | ya they did | 22:48 |
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| K`zan | Oops LoL, well it was bloody decent of them. | 22:48 |
| K`zan | I almost got the 770, like the form factor better, but the RS cards killed it for me... | 22:48 |
| bstock | ya. i held off on asking for an n800 since the only real upgrade was speed | 22:48 |
| Tak | yeah, I prefer the 770's form as well | 22:49 |
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| K`zan | "Get your work done faster" :-) | 22:49 |
| K`zan | But if they will get you an 810, go for it. | 22:49 |
| Tak | the real upgrade with the n800 was storage | 22:49 |
| bstock | but with the n810 i'll get speed plus hw keyboard, the keyboard is a major seller since i have to ssh into servers and typing on the onscreen keyboard kinda sucks | 22:49 |
| K`zan | I got 6G in it and have yet to put a real dent in it, maps seem to be the biggie. | 22:49 |
| Tak | heh, music for me | 22:50 |
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| K`zan | Yeah, pecking gets old in a hurry, that is why i ordered the fold up BT keyboard. If it is half as good as the on for my old Palm C3 (vx) it will be wonderful. | 22:50 |
| Tak | although if my headphone jack is really going out, it'll put an end to that | 22:50 |
| K`zan | I quit patronizing the "entertainment" mafias... | 22:50 |
| K`zan | BT stereo headset :-). | 22:51 |
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| K`zan | Would really be nice to have a bt heaset work on the desktop box, being tethered is a REAL PITA. | 22:52 |
| |R | http://www.carrypad.com/journal/2007/12/nokia-n810-unboxing.html <- qwertz keyboard... first time i see something other than qwerty... anyone seen others? | 22:52 |
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| K`zan | But that isn't ready for prime time, yet. Spent a week or so trying, best I did was get it working for music VERY briefly. | 22:52 |
| Tak | K`zan: there's plenty of non-riaa music | 22:53 |
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| K`zan | Tak: Yes, and those I do support. | 22:53 |
| K`zan | I worked in the "entertainment" industry for a while when I was younger and it is a mafia... | 22:54 |
| K`zan | I think my old boss is still in prison :). | 22:54 |
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| dragorn | |R: must be a non-us layout | 22:56 |
| |R | dragorn : yep german :) | 22:56 |
| |R | dragorn : but i'm curious to see the french or other layouts on a small keyboard... | 22:56 |
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| shackan | I have no idea why everyone is creaming himself over ANOTHER MEDIA PLAYER | 23:04 |
| K`zan | Yeah, perplexes me too :) | 23:04 |
| shackan | yes, it plays music, doesn't cure world hunger | 23:04 |
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| Tak | which media player is this? | 23:05 |
| K`zan | Would really like to see a decent PIM that is palm (jpilot) syncable... | 23:06 |
| shackan | the one everybody is waiting for like the second coming of jesus | 23:06 |
| K`zan | LOL | 23:06 |
| Tak | ah | 23:06 |
| Tak | everybody was like that for the first release too | 23:06 |
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| K`zan | I've decided I can be patient or go back to 2007... | 23:07 |
| K`zan | So far managing to be patient :-). | 23:07 |
| vegai | |R: waiting for a decent dvorak variant for that... | 23:08 |
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| |R | vegai :) | 23:09 |
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| penguinbait | dvorak | 23:21 |
| penguinbait | ugh! | 23:21 |
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| keesj | K`zan: gentoo is the only sysem I can keep running for longer than one year | 23:29 |
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| keesj | ubuntu is a good second choice | 23:30 |
| keesj | IMHO of course | 23:34 |
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| K`zan | keesj: Had gentoo here for a couple three years now and as long as I don't try to update it, it does just fine. Haven't touched it in over a year now :-). | 23:47 |
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