| lardman | derf: Is this an issue?: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071210-nokia-wants-w3c-to-remove-out-ogg-from-upcoming-html5-standard.html | 00:00 |
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| derf | It's certainly an "issue". | 00:01 |
| derf | It made /. and has been posted in here 5 or 6 times already. | 00:02 |
| elb | derf, master of understatement | 00:04 |
| elb | within an order of magnitude of 5 or 6, anyway ;-) | 00:04 |
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| alterego | Heh | 00:05 |
| czr | inz, yes | 00:05 |
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| czr | inz, but I can't tell you any more details | 00:06 |
| derf | I'm glad to see the rest of the world finally found out about it, but the amount of stupid in that comment thread makes baby kittens cry. | 00:06 |
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| czr | inz, you'd have to sign the NDA to hear more. with your blood. all of it. | 00:06 |
| czr | (yes, it's a large NDA) | 00:06 |
| derf | I didn't read the /. thread, because I don't read /. | 00:06 |
| derf | (/. free for 6 years, 30 days). | 00:06 |
| alterego | czr, image 1st, SDK later ;) | 00:06 |
| alterego | Maybe next year ;) | 00:06 |
| * czr whispers to alterego smt about "see if I care" smt. | 00:07 | |
| alterego | :D | 00:07 |
| alterego | I'm tired, but I've got my nicotine fix. | 00:07 |
| czr | ah, you came back? | 00:07 |
| alterego | Yup | 00:07 |
| alterego | I'm quick I know :) | 00:08 |
| alterego | It's too cold to walk slow. | 00:08 |
| inz | czr, do I need to sign all of the NDA or with all my blood? | 00:08 |
| alterego | Though, there was a queue .. | 00:08 |
| inz | czr, event large NDAs usually take only one signature | 00:08 |
| czr | inz, with all of your blood. | 00:09 |
| elb | and 200,000 initials | 00:09 |
| czr | I think the initials thingy is something more american | 00:09 |
| czr | that never quite caught on here. | 00:09 |
| czr | at least not in finland | 00:09 |
| czr | I have trouble explaining what "marking initials" means when people sign RH NDAs | 00:10 |
| elb | really? | 00:10 |
| * czr nods | 00:10 | |
| alterego | Red Hat? | 00:10 |
| elb | that's good to hear | 00:10 |
| * czr nods | 00:10 | |
| elb | because it SUCKS | 00:10 |
| elb | I can't remember what the last long document I had to sign was, but I had to initial every freaking page | 00:10 |
| alterego | Red Hat have NDA's? That's interesting. | 00:10 |
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| elb | it SUCKED | 00:10 |
| czr | alterego, of course. | 00:10 |
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| czr | elb, you felt dirty all over after signing it? | 00:11 |
| lardman | derf: Ah, my PC crashed this arvo, lost all my backlog for the day | 00:11 |
| elb | possibly immigration paperwork | 00:11 |
| czr | I know that feeling. I'm covered with the legaleze foo of many a company | 00:11 |
| alterego | Well, I don't really like Red Hat, though they've done a lot of good work for the OSS movement. | 00:11 |
| elb | czr: well, I don't generally sign NDAs, per se | 00:11 |
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| czr | no amount of showering will make me clean anymore. | 00:11 |
| elb | but financial and etc. documents | 00:11 |
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| alterego | I'm not even allowed to talk about my NDA's .. | 00:11 |
| alterego | Shit .. | 00:12 |
| czr | alterego, they also pay people to work on the problems that no one wants to work on | 00:12 |
| alterego | czr, really? What kind of problems? :D | 00:12 |
| czr | alterego, which is why things eventually get fixed | 00:12 |
| * alterego likes problems. | 00:12 | |
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| czr | documentation, kernel bugs, gtk, all that | 00:12 |
| alterego | Cool. | 00:12 |
| czr | I meant of course that they employ people :-) | 00:12 |
| czr | not that they per for each bug fixed. | 00:12 |
| czr | +pay | 00:12 |
| alterego | Hah | 00:12 |
| alterego | They should. I think a lot more bugs would get fixed ^_^ | 00:13 |
| czr | I doubt it | 00:13 |
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| czr | unless we're talking about large amounts of money ala google. | 00:13 |
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| alterego | I'd fix bugs for a nominal fee. | 00:15 |
| alterego | Though, I guess it depends on the size of the bug .. | 00:15 |
| alterego | If you're talking about rewriting the whole driver system in the kernel .. Well .. Fuck that. | 00:15 |
| lardman | you might do it if you found it interesting though | 00:16 |
| alterego | Yes, there is that. | 00:16 |
| alterego | And no doubt I would find it interesting :) | 00:16 |
| lardman | and had a lot of time on your hands.... :) | 00:16 |
| derf | Good luck getting the kernel to take it. | 00:16 |
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| derf | Red Hat already paid Monty to rewrite the USB scheduler for them, but they didn't want it. | 00:17 |
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| czr | alterego, but how would you know whether a given bug is easy or hard to fix and what price to set to it? :-) | 00:17 |
| alterego | I'd audit it. | 00:17 |
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| alterego | first .. | 00:17 |
| czr | you must be a good auditor ;-) | 00:17 |
| lardman | derf: yes, there is tha | 00:17 |
| czr | a lot of the more evil bugs look pretty trivial at start | 00:18 |
| alterego | I'm good at guessing if that's what you mean ;) | 00:18 |
| czr | alterego, yes. the art of guesstimation | 00:18 |
| czr | I really hate that when I need to estimate the required hours/effort to achieve something which I have never done before | 00:18 |
| alterego | I usually guess, then say, yeah x plus a month or add a month. | 00:18 |
| czr | and obviously working on stuff that I've already done before is too boring so.. | 00:18 |
| alterego | Yeah, I get that alot. | 00:18 |
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| lardman | altergo: about an hour + a month or so :) | 00:19 |
| derf | My strategy was always to just make up something arbitrary, and multiply it by 8. | 00:19 |
| alterego | Hah | 00:19 |
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| lardman | alterego: sorry for the typo | 00:19 |
| alterego | Hah | 00:20 |
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| czr | derf, I've used 9 | 00:21 |
| czr | * 3 because I know it will take 3 times the time it should, and even then, projects tend to last 3 times longer. so 3 * 3 = 9. :-) | 00:22 |
| Atarii | ah the good old rule of 3 | 00:22 |
| * czr nods | 00:23 | |
| czr | best projects have no deadlines | 00:23 |
| * czr really likes to work on those | 00:23 | |
| inz | czr, the bounties could be given to lowest bidder ;) | 00:23 |
| czr | inz, don't divulge trade secrets! | 00:24 |
| inz | Sorry, did I ruineds your evvil plan? | 00:24 |
| czr | inz, heh. no. maybe N's evil plan :-) | 00:25 |
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| czr | my plan is so evil, even I cannot ruin it. | 00:25 |
| penguinbait | uh oh, evil plans? | 00:25 |
| inz | czr, ooh, I need an idiot-proof evvil plan too! | 00:27 |
| * alterego chuckles | 00:27 | |
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| czr | inz, indeed | 00:28 |
| czr | if the plan is evil beyond comprehension, it cannot be ruined, since no one can understand it | 00:28 |
| penguinbait | can I be the judge? | 00:29 |
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| inz | penguinbait, that would be too easy | 00:29 |
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| penguinbait | ok, I just used paypal to order an ACME evil plan kit | 00:30 |
| penguinbait | I'm onboard! | 00:30 |
| czr | heh | 00:30 |
| penguinbait | heh | 00:30 |
| czr | the ACME one SUCKS! | 00:30 |
| czr | they ship Windows ME. | 00:30 |
| czr | not nearly evil enough plan. | 00:30 |
| penguinbait | no wonder the cyote never had a chance | 00:31 |
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| Spastic | Hello | 00:31 |
| Spastic | Does anyone here have Minimo running? | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | What would be the point? | 00:31 |
| alterego | Spastic, something wrong with microb? | 00:31 |
| Spastic | Sorry, what is microb?\ | 00:32 |
| acydlord | it's the mozilla engine browser for maemo | 00:32 |
| penguinbait | Spastic what OS are you running? | 00:32 |
| Spastic | 2006 | 00:33 |
| Spastic | On the 770 | 00:33 |
| alterego | Is there a microb release for 2006? | 00:33 |
| alterego | There should be .. | 00:33 |
| penguinbait | microb is available on that isn't it, or is it only HE | 00:33 |
| pupnik | anybody gotten a usb wifi device working on 770/n8x0? | 00:33 |
| Spastic | They dont have usb ports, do they? | 00:34 |
| pupnik | they have usb ports | 00:34 |
| penguinbait | Nope, but I want to get my usb wifi logeitch joysticks working | 00:34 |
| alterego | pupnik, I've not tried mine. Mainly because the module isn't in the kernel tree. | 00:34 |
| pupnik | hoping some kernel hacker tries it sometime - maybe fanoush | 00:35 |
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| alterego | I will try it. | 00:35 |
| alterego | Just not now, well, maybe in a few minutes when I've finished my release. | 00:35 |
| czr | penguinbait, heh for the coyote | 00:35 |
| penguinbait | speaking of usb devices, I made a cdrom.deb for the kernel modules for 2008OS, it automounts disks, how do I get it to automount the cdrom/dev devices also | 00:35 |
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| penguinbait | :) | 00:36 |
| alterego | I couldn't get usb mass storage to work. | 00:36 |
| alterego | How did you? | 00:36 |
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| penguinbait | I just do an echo, and its working | 00:36 |
| penguinbait | 2008OS | 00:36 |
| penguinbait | N | 00:36 |
| alterego | Damn | 00:36 |
| penguinbait | Nokia usb cable with a Female A to Female A adapter | 00:37 |
| alterego | It worked when I plugged it into my Camera, but not when I plugged it into my card readers. | 00:37 |
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| alterego | penguinbait, yeah. I've got the same setup .. | 00:37 |
| penguinbait | thumb drive was powerer by n800 | 00:37 |
| penguinbait | usb hard disk needed extra power | 00:38 |
| alterego | Well, the lights came on. But the N800 complained about not being able to handle the device. "unrecognised" or something. | 00:38 |
| penguinbait | CDROM/DVD was 110V | 00:38 |
| alterego | 110V?! | 00:38 |
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| alterego | Mine's only 5v .. | 00:38 |
| penguinbait | It will say unrecognized, but it mounts it | 00:38 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 00:38 |
| alterego | I'll have another go in a minute. | 00:38 |
| penguinbait | it was powered by the wall, not the n800 | 00:39 |
| alterego | Obviously. | 00:39 |
| alterego | 110V for a CDROM .. I think you're wrong :P | 00:39 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491 | 00:39 |
| penguinbait | theres the cdrom deb | 00:39 |
| acydlord | he was referring to wall current instead of host powered | 00:39 |
| lardman | things are getting better, I mistranslated a !boundary into cmp64_int(boundary,0)!=0 | 00:40 |
| penguinbait | it will autoload the modules on install, and on future boots | 00:40 |
| alterego | voltage .. Not current. | 00:40 |
| alterego | Didn't want to put it into hal? | 00:40 |
| alterego | hal ? | 00:40 |
| alterego | Hmm .. | 00:41 |
| penguinbait | ? | 00:41 |
| alterego | Maybe I'm thinking of udev. | 00:41 |
| alterego | modprobe probably. | 00:41 |
| alterego | Damnit .. | 00:41 |
| penguinbait | what controls the automount of devices | 00:41 |
| penguinbait | there is no automounter that I can find | 00:42 |
| alterego | Well, udev _can_ do it. | 00:42 |
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| alterego | I'd have to check. | 00:42 |
| penguinbait | nothing in fstab | 00:42 |
| TimRiker | x11vnc does not see the video frames. is there a vnc server that does? ie: is fbvncserver or similar available for the n800/os2007? | 00:43 |
| TimRiker | any other options to remotely see a video call? (yes, I know that performance will suck, this is for a demo nothing more) | 00:43 |
| alterego | Or hotplug .. | 00:43 |
| TimRiker | can I start the complete front end on a remote X server? what about the video call application? will it then push video over X instead of direct to the local fram buffer as it appears to be doing? | 00:44 |
| alterego | TimRiker, not likely. | 00:47 |
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| alterego | They probably should have added the alarm clock feature to the internet readio .. | 00:47 |
| alterego | ~radio .. | 00:47 |
| penguinbait | does n810 have fm radio, or only transmitter? | 00:48 |
| alterego | Neither | 00:48 |
| penguinbait | it has FM transmitter | 00:48 |
| penguinbait | right? | 00:48 |
| TimRiker | is there a full emulated tablet interface in the sdk that can place video calls? | 00:48 |
| alterego | No it doesn't. | 00:48 |
| alterego | The FM transmitter is an accessory .. | 00:48 |
| TimRiker | the nokia internet call invitation beta is over, so can't go that route. | 00:48 |
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| alterego | TimRiker, no. | 00:49 |
| penguinbait | I thought it was built in, bummer | 00:49 |
| alterego | Well, there's a slim possibility you can use the rootfs from a real device in the SDK .. | 00:49 |
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| alterego | Cool, you can make a double click on the power button do something. | 00:52 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 00:53 |
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| TimRiker | alterego: I thought the sdk ran x86 versions? the real device would be arm packages. | 00:54 |
| alterego | TimRiker, how do you think the SDK is able to compile for arm then? | 00:55 |
| TimRiker | compile for, yes. run, no. | 00:55 |
| TimRiker | at least that's what I understood. | 00:55 |
| alterego | Do you think I would have recommended it if it wasn't possible? | 00:55 |
| alterego | Obviously your understanding comes from zero use .. | 00:56 |
| TimRiker | well I thought that's what you meant by "slim possibility" | 00:56 |
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| alterego | No, "slim possibility" meant. You can try it, but qemu isn't perfect .. | 00:56 |
| TimRiker | I've cross compiled apps for the n800, but they are all at the system level and using my own cross compile tools. never messed with the actual sdk. | 00:56 |
| alterego | Your loss then :P | 00:57 |
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| TimRiker | I would not expect normal qemu to expose v4l or other video devices through the emulator, but I've never checked either. :) | 00:57 |
| alterego | Good point .. | 00:58 |
| alterego | I guess you can't do it then. | 00:58 |
| TimRiker | heh | 00:58 |
| lopz | re | 00:58 |
| alterego | What's NJoy me wonders .. | 00:58 |
| alterego | "NJoy Controller" .. | 00:59 |
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| alterego | czr, you dead yet? | 00:59 |
| pupnik | TimRiker: just run your x server without xv extension, and vnc should see the drawn video | 00:59 |
| pupnik | afaik or configure the app to use plain old x11 rendering | 00:59 |
| czr | alterego, nope | 00:59 |
| alterego | czr, have you heard of this "NJoy Controller"? | 01:00 |
| czr | unfortunately to you all, I'm very much alive :-) | 01:00 |
| alterego | It looks like some kind of game controller with flashing lights. | 01:00 |
| czr | alterego, sounds like some stupid marketing typo :-). what is it supposed to do/be? | 01:00 |
| alterego | No reference to it on the internet though .. | 01:00 |
| czr | then it doesn't exist | 01:00 |
| czr | internet knows all. | 01:00 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 01:00 |
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| alterego | I wonder if this is something Nokia are working on. A gamepad for the NSeries .. | 01:00 |
| czr | mayeb related to the ngage-emulator/thingy whatever on the new Nseries | 01:01 |
| alterego | Oh, actually. | 01:01 |
| alterego | This is for a future device. | 01:01 |
| alterego | My mistake. | 01:01 |
| alterego | Looks like they're going to have red green and blue LEDs in the next tablet. | 01:02 |
| alterego | Or a future tablet .. | 01:02 |
| * czr opens the window into the future for alterego | 01:02 | |
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| czr | hmm. n810 has dual color at least | 01:02 |
| czr | never seen it red. but green, blue and white so far. | 01:02 |
| alterego | Ah, that's probably it then :) | 01:03 |
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| alterego | You can configure how the lights play when things happen. | 01:03 |
| alterego | Wow, you can even change the intensity. | 01:04 |
| fysa | for the 810? | 01:04 |
| alterego | Yup | 01:04 |
| fysa | is there intensity on the 800 LED? | 01:04 |
| alterego | Yup | 01:04 |
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| fysa | would be nice to have the number of unread mails/IMs/missed calls raise the intensity of the LED | 01:05 |
| alterego | That's unfortunately not possible. | 01:05 |
| alterego | You can customise it for different things though. | 01:05 |
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| fysa | Modest couldn't implement something like that? | 01:06 |
| alterego | Say IM is low, email is mid, and incomming call is high | 01:06 |
| fysa | ah | 01:06 |
| alterego | Well, I don't know if it's possible to drive the LED's directly. It should be but I don't know how yet :) | 01:06 |
| * alterego suddenly has an evil .. EVIL plan. | 01:06 | |
| fysa | I do wish the 800 had a camera mounted like the 810 does though. That would make for some cool interactivity with the 'motion' application. | 01:07 |
| alterego | Oh, here's a hint. | 01:07 |
| alterego | I just found out. That if the device is locked, opening the camera disables the screen/key lock and starts the call app regardless .. | 01:07 |
| alterego | (dumb configuration choice IMO) | 01:07 |
| fysa | My HTPC uses a webcam to detect if I'm sitting on the couch.. and if it senses me on the couch and not on my computer when an email or private IM hits me during business hours, it speaks the contents of the IM or email on the surround sound system. | 01:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:08 |
| shackan | argh, terrible :D | 01:08 |
| fysa | work from home, sometimes you need creative ways to get yourself to 'work' | 01:08 |
| fysa | ;) | 01:08 |
| fysa | of course, just imagine the hours I wasted scripting all of that when I should have been working. | 01:09 |
| alterego | Right, well. It looks like automounting is handled by gnome-vfs. | 01:09 |
| alterego | I can't find anything else that is likely to take responsibility. | 01:09 |
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| fysa | the same gnome-vfs that is completely sucking our memory away? | 01:09 |
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| alterego | Pfft. | 01:09 |
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| alterego | The only problem I have, is the slow starting times of microb .. | 01:10 |
| fysa | maybe it was a bug or something was crashed, but I thought I saw it using 20MB+ | 01:10 |
| alterego | And the constant hanging :) | 01:10 |
| gpd | web browser keeps crashing on OS2008 on N800 - is this well known? | 01:10 |
| alterego | fysa, I think that's the meta crawler. | 01:10 |
| fysa | microb is so much improved with the render delay fixed. | 01:10 |
| alterego | It doesn't crash for me. It just hangs every now-and-again. | 01:10 |
| K`zan | What is the equivalent of a ctl-alt-del on the n800 - not that I need it, but would be nice to know anyway?!? | 01:10 |
| gpd | no - mine 'goes away' every time i open a url | 01:11 |
| fysa | alterego, can you test this config option and see how it affects you? | 01:11 |
| fysa | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay | 01:11 |
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| fysa | try setting this to 400 - 1200 | 01:12 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m34c22922 - callback function to read data, the function reads the data and prints out a message to tell me, but it doesn't return that value to the _get_data() fn. Any ideas? | 01:12 |
| fysa | the default about:config sets it to -3 for some reason | 01:12 |
| alterego | fysa, what does it do? | 01:12 |
| fysa | which I'm thinking forces it to 0, which is real-time updates | 01:12 |
| alterego | Ah | 01:12 |
| fysa | it's the delay between receiving data before the browser attempts to render the screen | 01:12 |
| fysa | if it's 0, you render in real-time as everything comes down the pipe | 01:12 |
| fysa | which basically causes delay in processing the data because now you're spending this energy drawing something that isn't really viewable yet anyway. | 01:13 |
| skibur_ | I just bought a IGO Slim keyboard | 01:13 |
| fysa | the default is 250ms now | 01:13 |
| skibur_ | how do I pair it? | 01:13 |
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| fysa | but for some reason it's -3 in OS2008 | 01:13 |
| fysa | (default in standard firefox) | 01:13 |
| fysa | I raised mine to 600ms and I'm 99% positive that pages load considerably faster | 01:13 |
| fysa | they don't pop right away, but they don't sit there and load one word at a time anymore. | 01:14 |
| fysa | i.e., the time from loading start to the page being usable seems much improved | 01:14 |
| fysa | if you read the related bugs attached to that article you'll see various experiences related to different values | 01:14 |
| alterego | fysa, Do I just enter '600' into the value field? | 01:15 |
| alterego | Is it ms? | 01:15 |
| fysa | yeah | 01:15 |
| fysa | ms | 01:15 |
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| fysa | just 600 | 01:15 |
| fysa | or higher if you like. 3000 was way too high. | 01:15 |
| fysa | I've only tried 3000 and 600 so far. | 01:15 |
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| alterego | That's like 3 seconds :P | 01:15 |
| fysa | pages with flash aren't as painful anymore | 01:15 |
| alterego | I'd keep it below 1000 to be honest ;) | 01:15 |
| fysa | yeah, wanted to test the extreme to see how long it would take to load a complete page given no rendering | 01:15 |
| fysa | and make sure the option actually worked | 01:16 |
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| fysa | I believe that real-time/0ms delay would cause HTML rendering to be completely bogged down by flash downloading/display also | 01:16 |
| fysa | with a high enough delay, you should be able to pull most of the HTML down before you're hit with the CPU burden of flash | 01:16 |
| alterego | Coo. | 01:17 |
| alterego | I'll play around with it a bit. | 01:17 |
| * alterego would like to know why he keeps getting spam from Apple .. | 01:17 | |
| fysa | there could be another delay relating to DNS lookup or some such also. it seems that every now and then it takes nearly 2 seconds before microb will even 'hit' a remote server | 01:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's annoying too .. | 01:18 |
| fysa | I've setup a squid server with adzapper (filters out flash ads), but microb doesn't like to keep proxy settings so I've not tested it for long periods of time | 01:18 |
| skibur_ | anybody have their IGO stowaway keyboard paired with N800 - OS2008? | 01:19 |
| fysa | I can imagine that this could help considerably -- reduce the delay from your network out for popular pages (mostly google apps) and the latency of WAN ACKs won't hurt as bad | 01:19 |
| fysa | but that's still a hack that is only helpful for using the web around the house. | 01:20 |
| fysa | you can try enabling pipelining or increasing the maximum number of concurrent connections under network.* | 01:22 |
| fysa | pipelining I believe lets you receive multiple pieces of data from a server on a single connection, reducing TCP overhead | 01:22 |
| czr | connection keep-alive? | 01:24 |
| fysa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining | 01:24 |
| alterego | I'd like global compression .. | 01:24 |
| alterego | I was thinking of doing that through an SSH tunnel. | 01:25 |
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| fysa | you might be able to do that with a squid proxy. | 01:25 |
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| db48x | that adds latency | 01:26 |
| czr | fysa, ah. thanks for the link. not the same as keep-alives. | 01:26 |
| fysa | it caches | 01:26 |
| fysa | so it may ad latency the first time around | 01:26 |
| fysa | .. add | 01:26 |
| fysa | http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/ | 01:27 |
| fysa | but it could be a big help on pages with lots of JS/ajax/staticy content | 01:27 |
| fysa | does privoxy remove flash ads? | 01:28 |
| pupnik | i want a browser that lets me click on flash boxes to enable them | 01:30 |
| inz | I want a browser that doesn't have flash boxes... | 01:31 |
| inz | ...oh wait, I have one | 01:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | skibur_: the bluetooth keyboard in control panel is what you want. | 01:32 |
| skibur_ | got it working | 01:32 |
| skibur_ | thanks | 01:32 |
| * czr hands inz an older lady doing window-shopping | 01:32 | |
| czr | no flash boxes in that one. | 01:32 |
| czr | and she's only browsing. | 01:32 |
| * lardman is confused :( | 01:34 | |
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| alterego | Well, my card reader doesn't get mounted,. | 01:43 |
| alterego | It just keeps flashing up the message "USB device not supported" | 01:43 |
| alterego | Continually every second or so. | 01:43 |
| Vulcanis | Maybe it can't read the card you put in it? | 01:45 |
| b0unc3 | I've added a new news on my project, but it is not shown on the garage homepage. why? | 01:46 |
| alterego | Okay, it does work .. | 01:48 |
| alterego | Insuficient power ^_^ | 01:48 |
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| alterego | Nice .. Super storage ^_^ | 01:51 |
| pupnik | with external battery? | 01:51 |
| * pupnik plays guitar wialing sample | 01:51 | |
| alterego | PSU in a powerable mini hub | 01:51 |
| pupnik | and host mode for usb port? | 01:52 |
| alterego | Yup | 01:52 |
| alterego | Piss easy to enable. `echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode` | 01:52 |
| K`zan | But how does one set it back short of a "shutdown -r now" ? | 01:53 |
| alterego | The OS even handles it pretty well. | 01:53 |
| alterego | O_o | 01:53 |
| alterego | What? | 01:53 |
| alterego | After a timeout of inactivity. And no USB connection. It'll go back into it's idle state. | 01:53 |
| lardman | altergo: echo "client" or similar? | 01:54 |
| lardman | aargh, I can't type! | 01:54 |
| K`zan | alterego: Didn't here :-( | 01:54 |
| alterego | Sure, you can force it with: "peripheral" instead of "host | 01:54 |
| alterego | Or force it into idle with "b_idle" | 01:54 |
| K`zan | Cool, thanks! | 01:55 |
| alterego | 3 bloody days. | 01:55 |
| K`zan | Now if it just supported my eithernet dongle or the serial converter :). | 01:55 |
| alterego | Though only 20 minutes of time spent getting that to work ^_^ | 01:55 |
| lardman | isn't that always the way?! | 01:55 |
| alterego | K`zan, if linux supports it and you've got the SDK installed. Compiling the module is easy. | 01:55 |
| lardman | spend bloody ages doing something then realise it could have been done far more easily (if you'd had that knowledge already) | 01:56 |
| alterego | Oh, I've not learned anything. | 01:56 |
| alterego | Well, except the 'b_idle' thing | 01:56 |
| alterego | No, I've just had some dumb moments of not reading dmesg properly. | 01:56 |
| K`zan | alterego: Got the url for that, just need to get to it :). | 01:57 |
| alterego | I was blind to the one error message that was stopping my card readers from working .. | 01:57 |
| lardman | well that's learning isn't it, in a way | 01:57 |
| alterego | "insufficient power" ^_^ | 01:57 |
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| lardman | anyway, time for bed, see you chaps tomorrow | 01:57 |
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| K`zan | alterego: It did drive my SD card reader nicely though, I thought the n800 had no power supply to USB :). | 01:57 |
| alterego | 3.3v 200ma | 01:58 |
| alterego | Obviously my card readers are greedy .. | 01:58 |
| k-s | disq: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/lms/ | 01:58 |
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| k-s | disq: just committed, would you care to take a look | 01:59 |
| k-s | ? | 01:59 |
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| alterego | Tomorrow I'll be aquiring a small USB keyboard :) | 01:59 |
| fierce | Hi all :) New n800 owner here | 01:59 |
| fierce | just arrived in the mail | 01:59 |
| alterego | And an ethernet dongle .. | 01:59 |
| alterego | fierce, cool :) | 01:59 |
| alterego | They're neat aren't they :) | 01:59 |
| fierce | quickest & easiest way to get irssi onto this would be? :) | 01:59 |
| fierce | oh yeah | 01:59 |
| fierce | gonna be a blast | 02:00 |
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| alterego | fierce, not a fan of xchat? | 02:00 |
| fierce | oh sure | 02:00 |
| fierce | i love xchat | 02:00 |
| fierce | :-) | 02:00 |
| alterego | Well, you can install xchat. | 02:00 |
| derf | The whole point of irssi is to use it with ssh+screen. | 02:00 |
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| K`zan | alterego: Will be interesthing to hear your experiences with that :) | 02:00 |
| alterego | Yeah .. Not local :D | 02:00 |
| fierce | alterego cool , where should I go for beginner tips on howto install xchat then? :-) | 02:00 |
| derf | Well, I would use it local, too. In screen. | 02:00 |
| alterego | K`zan, well. Having a full size keyboard, a 24/7 connection regardless of position. I think I'll start blogging ;) | 02:01 |
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| alterego | I wouldn't see a point running it local. | 02:01 |
| alterego | Unless you don't have X running .. | 02:01 |
| K`zan | alterego: That is why I built the power injector- primarily for a USB keyboard. | 02:01 |
| alterego | K`zan, you shouldn't need one really. | 02:02 |
| alterego | Not with the N800 | 02:02 |
| K`zan | Normally the thrift shops are crawling in USB keyboards, but not lately. | 02:02 |
| alterego | My idea is .. : 4 port mini hub: USB keyboard, USB -> Nokia charger, USB -> Ethernet, USB -> IDE adapter :) | 02:02 |
| alterego | That way I only need one plug to keep my Nokia charged and use it at the same time. | 02:02 |
| K`zan | If nothing else it serves as an adapter for the different connectors. Might work that way without power. | 02:03 |
| K`zan | Hummm, got a couple 4 port hubs here, perhaps I should try that. | 02:03 |
| alterego | I'm short of a keyboard, USB charger and ethernet. | 02:03 |
| K`zan | Considering I trashed a usb 1.1 hub to get the connetors :). 1.1 should be good enough for ethernet and keyboard. | 02:03 |
| alterego | I'll also construct a battery pack out of an old laptop battery. | 02:03 |
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| K`zan | Look at my power injector (getting link): | 02:04 |
| K`zan | http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/USB-PI/ | 02:05 |
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| K`zan | Seems to work fine. | 02:05 |
| alterego | Ooo .. I've had a cunning idea. | 02:06 |
| K`zan | The black thing between the connectors is for a wall wart. | 02:06 |
| K`zan | n800 camera would be more useful if it just sucked... | 02:06 |
| alterego | I setup a daemon on my home server to keep a port forwarded connection to my static server on the net. Which keeps an ssh connection. | 02:06 |
| K`zan | Can power it from a USB host or wall wart. | 02:06 |
| alterego | So I ssh to my rubyx server but it gets forwarded into my workstation, | 02:06 |
| alterego | better than that dyndns shite :D | 02:06 |
| K`zan | alterego: Yes, they seem to have dropped static for a monthly money nag now. | 02:07 |
| K`zan | err, show activity nag :) | 02:07 |
| alterego | That's a pretty aweful quality picture :P | 02:07 |
| alterego | N800? | 02:07 |
| zerojay | Yep. | 02:08 |
| K`zan | Yes, using a fluorescent lamp on the desk | 02:08 |
| zerojay | I can tell with the fuzz pattern. | 02:08 |
| K`zan | I'm not sure why they bothered. | 02:08 |
| alterego | Cute. | 02:08 |
| TimRiker | disabling XVideo on Xomap just breaks video calling. the app does not fall back to anything apparently. | 02:08 |
| zerojay | Well because it's not meant to be used as a camera. | 02:08 |
| K`zan | Maybe got a discontinued batch of end line ones cheap... | 02:09 |
| zerojay | For something simple like video calls, the camera is just fine. | 02:09 |
| alterego | I think the interference is from the hardware. | 02:09 |
| K`zan | Or they are rat shack floor sweepings :). | 02:09 |
| alterego | I've not bothered trying it in offline mode .. | 02:09 |
| ds3 | K`zan: isn't it easier to do it with a powered hub (and just use the power hub wall wart) | 02:12 |
| K`zan | ds3: In retrospect, probably although I haven't tried it yet. | 02:12 |
| K`zan | ds3: But it was fun to build something. | 02:13 |
| ds3 | heh, can't argue on that ;) | 02:13 |
| alterego | Now to make it wireless ;) | 02:13 |
| ds3 | K`zan: is that the only thing you need to do to make it work? (i.e. are there any flasher switches or other software toggles) | 02:13 |
| K`zan | SOmething changed here, I can hear signals on the radio (the one I got from the thrift store yesterday :-). Normally noise is VERY high here, might build a low power tramsmitter. | 02:14 |
| K`zan | ds3: I'm no expert but you need to echo "host" to a file to get it to work, hold a sec. | 02:14 |
| alterego | Okay, my shiny radio alarm clock is set. | 02:15 |
| alterego | G'night folks. | 02:15 |
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| ds3 | someone here was claiming full OTG support but from my experience with a similar OMAP proc, that's not the state of the usb driver :/ | 02:15 |
| K`zan | I still have not clue one what is different between OTG and USB :) | 02:15 |
| ds3 | K`zan: OTG is a supplement to USB 2.0; it provides for automatic switching between host and device modes | 02:15 |
| K`zan | Ah, apparently not on the n800, I think. | 02:16 |
| ds3 | so if OTG is there, I should be able to plug a host in there an HNP (I think) should figure it out; or if I put a miniA in there, it should become a host unless HNP says otherwise | 02:16 |
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| ds3 | okay, great to have confirmation one isn't miss reading code ;) | 02:16 |
| K`zan | ds3: My ignorance of all this is **legion** | 02:17 |
| ds3 | got to start somewhere, even if it is just little experiments | 02:17 |
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| K`zan | True :-) | 02:18 |
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| DeLe0n | does anyone got accepted in the maemo device program to get a discount for the n810? | 02:18 |
| ds3 | hoping this xmas, I'll get time to try things with a powered hub; got a liIon pack to power it | 02:18 |
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| pupnik | card reader for usb is cool alterego tell us how to do it sometime ok thanks | 02:19 |
| pupnik | typing like a 12-year-old is habit-forming | 02:19 |
| czr | pupnik, what you say? | 02:20 |
| pupnik | :) DeLe0n the developer program is closed | 02:20 |
| * czr should start shutting down servers and thingies | 02:20 | |
| DeLe0n | pupnik: i know... i got accepted | 02:20 |
| pupnik | alterego made a card reader get recognized - that'd be a nice enhancement to the tablets | 02:20 |
| pupnik | so what are you asking DeLe0n | 02:21 |
| ds3 | anyone know what was the reason why Nokia devices insist on wanting 5.5V before charging? | 02:21 |
| DeLe0n | pupnik: but i still dont know when the code will be valid, do u know something about this? | 02:21 |
| pupnik | yes the rumor is mid-december | 02:21 |
| zerojay | We were told it would be around the 15th. | 02:21 |
| zerojay | Direct from Quim himself. | 02:21 |
| pupnik | ds3 i am guessing it helps charging to have a higher voltage than operating voltage? | 02:22 |
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| pupnik | so you know - teh current - it flows downstream - into battery | 02:22 |
| DeLe0n | thanks... i really can't wait, and as i'm in mexico it will be another problem to order it in nokiausa | 02:22 |
| ds3 | pupnik: are there really 5V parts inside it? seems hoard to believe esp. since the battery is nominal 3v | 02:22 |
| pupnik | DeLe0n: it is a hrobil wait | 02:22 |
| pupnik | oh i didnt know that ds3 | 02:22 |
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| user_ | lol xchat on my n800 | 02:33 |
| user_ | this rocks | 02:33 |
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| user_ | how do i stop screen from dimming off so fast | 02:34 |
| zerojay | Open control panel and look around. | 02:35 |
| user_ | cool thanks | 02:35 |
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| ds3 | pupnik: LiIon batteries are 4.2 max (charged) down to about 2.8v... so I couldn't for the life of me figure out why Nokia needs 5.5V to charge other then be difficult | 02:42 |
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| pupnik | user_: you can do it with gconf | 02:46 |
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| pupnik | somebody should doo a 'click to install' package that extends screen blanking timeouts! | 02:46 |
| czr | or you could write a small program that uses libosso to delay the blank :-) | 02:47 |
| zerojay | He's not asking to extend them though. | 02:47 |
| czr | pupnik, I wrote a small libosso program that keeps the backlight on | 02:47 |
| ds3 | isn't there a control panel setting that does it? | 02:47 |
| czr | pupnik, it's licensed under MIT-permissive. | 02:47 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 02:47 |
| czr | the training material includes it. it should've gone public today | 02:47 |
| pupnik | i know how to do it man | 02:47 |
| czr | but it didn't. (it's in the 'maemo Platform Development' material, look for 'flashlight') | 02:47 |
| pupnik | don't question my REAL ULTIMATE POWER | 02:48 |
| czr | floating points? ;-) | 02:48 |
| * czr prefers INTEGER ULTIMATE POWER | 02:48 | |
| pupnik | heheh | 02:48 |
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| pupnik | infobot: backlight delay? | 02:48 |
| pupnik | hmr | 02:48 |
| czr | hmm. anyone worked with pdfs closely? | 02:50 |
| pupnik | infobot: "screen blank delay" is howto increase screen dimming/poweroff timeouts http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704&highlight=blanking+delay+screen | 02:50 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, pupnik | 02:50 |
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| zerojay | Another stupid bot to kill. | 02:52 |
| ds3 | hahah | 02:53 |
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| czr | at least it's not annoying. :-) | 02:53 |
| czr | even if stupid | 02:53 |
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| Tuco800 | GeneralAntilles: hi again | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Tuco800. | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | So? | 02:59 |
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| Tuco800 | One of the reps here his asking if there is an version mplayer for n810 yet | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in the garage's extras-devel | 03:00 |
| Tuco800 | Link please | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Testing Maemo Extras on that page. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=141 | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | That should get you the .install. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty stable, .flv playback isn't as good as the OS2007 version right now. | 03:02 |
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| Tuco800 | Thanks | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure. | 03:04 |
| pupnik | ooh nice - more dimming options .install file for OS2007! https://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/moredimmingoptions/?get_installfile | 03:05 |
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| halley | So far so good, derf. Did crash once after much window open/closing but couldn't reproduce it. | 03:09 |
| derf | That's not what I want to hear. | 03:10 |
| halley | I have been using it a lot, and of course it's not like I lost data when it disappeared. | 03:10 |
| halley | I still haven't gotten a good answer on HOW/WHERE to put icons so they are the right sizes everywhere in the interface. There's a "scalable" icons directory but not even that is scaled right sometimes. | 03:11 |
| derf | I'm sure there's ample documentation on the subject. | 03:12 |
| derf | Locked in a vault and then thrown away, vault and all. | 03:12 |
| halley | I couldn't really find much, but maybe my googlefu isn't what it once was. | 03:12 |
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| dick-richardson | today my n810 officially replace my n800 :D | 03:25 |
| * giskard would say the same thing but the n810 is not yet avaiable in europe | 03:26 | |
| giskard | (yes, uk is shipping it, but not italy, and it seems that the discount code can't be used in uk) | 03:27 |
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| penguinbait | the discount codes cant be used anywhere yet | 03:31 |
| DeLe0n | the discount code can be used at any nokiashop? or just the one u selected? | 03:33 |
| elb | we don't know yet, because they can't be used | 03:33 |
| DeLe0n | haha :O | 03:34 |
| czr | finland/off -> | 03:38 |
| czr | have fun all _o/ | 03:38 |
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| user_ | this thumb-keyboard really isnt too bad i am surprised | 03:46 |
| zerojay | DeLe0n: Just the one you selected as far as we know. | 03:47 |
| DeLe0n | zerojay: is that if its for sale in europe before it will be easier for me, cause i have family living there and they are coming for christmas | 03:48 |
| zerojay | It's for everyone. | 03:49 |
| zerojay | But you might be able to ask them to switch shops. | 03:49 |
| zerojay | Maybe. | 03:49 |
| Atarii | zerojay thanks for the email | 03:49 |
| zerojay | Atarii: Sorry it took so long, i forgot about it completely. | 03:49 |
| DeLe0n | zerojay: nah, i think i'll get it from nokiausa... | 03:49 |
| Atarii | lol its ok, i shudnt be a noob | 03:50 |
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| fierce | Hey all, someone is telling me i need to upgrade my n800 from version 26-8 to something newer | 04:14 |
| fierce | in order to use my SDHC Class 6 card properly | 04:14 |
| fierce | how do I do this? | 04:14 |
| zerojay | Heh.. check the front page of Digg. | 04:15 |
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| Tu13es | anyone using mClock? | 04:23 |
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| halley | zerojay, the ogg crap? | 04:30 |
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| zerojay | yep | 04:32 |
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| Tu13es | so, how long will the backlight in my n800 last? | 04:41 |
| halley | Until the heatdeath of the universe, or until you eat a cheese sandwich, whichever comes first. | 04:41 |
| Tu13es | yesss | 04:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 60k hours, most likely. | 04:43 |
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| lopz | re | 05:07 |
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| lopz | bye | 05:25 |
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| |R | freychef : mtl? :) | 06:28 |
| freychef | yup | 06:28 |
| |R | hehe, i'm not alone, wiii! ;) | 06:29 |
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| |R | how are you doing? :) | 06:29 |
| freychef | i'm new to this channel. | 06:29 |
| |R | new to maemo devices? | 06:30 |
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| freychef | yeah, got my n800 back in october, love it. | 06:30 |
| |R | same here :-) | 06:30 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | I got mine four days ago. | 06:31 |
| |R | and you sleep ? | 06:31 |
| freychef | just waiting till they release os2008 and canola. | 06:31 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Hopefully. | 06:31 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Eh, theres a beta of Os2008 that runs quite well | 06:31 |
| |R | wasn't the beta supposed to be released today? | 06:31 |
| |R | (canola) | 06:31 |
| freychef | yes, but not a fan of beta's | 06:31 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | canola beta is today, yeah | 06:32 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | frey: From what I can tell, OS2008beta is more stable than 2007... | 06:32 |
| freychef | well, i'm patient, i'll wait for the official release. | 06:32 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Anyone know when that will be? I heard mid december. | 06:33 |
| freychef | probably just another week or so... | 06:33 |
| |R | yeah, hopefully | 06:33 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | will there be an easier way to flash it? | 06:33 |
| freychef | easier? like how? | 06:33 |
| |R | i don't think so? | 06:33 |
| |R | it's just: boot in home-button-mode (or whatever) and copy paste a line :) | 06:34 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Yeah, but that requires me setting up a linux VM again | 06:34 |
| |R | isn't there mac and windows flasher utils? | 06:34 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Linux does not like my hardware | 06:34 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | only mac and linux, when I flashed 08 | 06:35 |
| |R | (i don't know about those but... i've seen people comment about that) | 06:35 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | 08 beta | 06:35 |
| |R | oh | 06:35 |
| |R | pretty weird | 06:35 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | not really | 06:35 |
| |R | well not that i care... but :) | 06:35 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | OSX runs off of unix | 06:35 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | partially | 06:35 |
| freychef | which linux? and what hardware? | 06:35 |
| |R | well, they could make one for cygwin or something :) | 06:35 |
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| Vulc|Sleeps | Frey: Random sound drivers, some wierd problems with graphics. Kubuntu, for now. | 06:36 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | |R: Yeah, for some reason cyg wouldn't do it for me | 06:36 |
| freychef | hmmm... | 06:36 |
| blithe | Vulc|Sleeps: Where'd you get your n800 from if you don't mind me asking? | 06:36 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | blithe: Newegg. | 06:37 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Why? | 06:37 |
| blithe | I cancelled my buy.com order, as they've procrastinated on shipping it for over a week. | 06:37 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | friend of mine got his from walmart pretty fast, too. only about 10 bucks more | 06:37 |
| blithe | It shouldn't take a week to ship one item that's apparently 'in stock'. | 06:37 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | since I believe newegg is out of stock | 06:37 |
| |R | *cought* walmart ;) | 06:38 |
| |R | -t | 06:38 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | |R: And? Its cheap, and apparently 2day shipping came in one. | 06:39 |
| |R | well, i won't go on rambling about how bad their ethics are... :P | 06:39 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | their ethics are horrible. But if its the only place you can get it for 250$, I'd go for it and then donate the rest to a human rights group or something. | 06:40 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Or wait a week for newegg to get more in stock | 06:40 |
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| Vulc|Sleeps | nevermind, n800 is back | 06:40 |
| |R | :) | 06:40 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | and.. whoa, it costs more than 250 now. | 06:40 |
| |R | urhm | 06:40 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | Yay sales that are over now | 06:41 |
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| Vulc|Sleeps | http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&search_query=n800&Continue.x=0&Continue.y=0&Continue=Find&ic=24_0 -- 240$. | 06:41 |
| blithe | buy.com's taking their pretty little time to refund my money. :( | 06:41 |
| halley | Finally getting some progress on a simple pygame on maemo (nokia n810): http://halley.cc/screenshot05.png | 06:41 |
| Vulc|Sleeps | but its boo, hiss. | 06:41 |
| blithe | I need to wait for that before I reorder somewhere else. | 06:41 |
| |R | halley : oh, an hiragana teaching game :D | 06:42 |
| halley | Yeah, though the library is ready for more in-depth ones too. | 06:42 |
| halley | This is just the first minigame in the set. | 06:42 |
| |R | if i can get an hiragana / katakana and some generic kanji learning game, i'd be happy :) | 06:43 |
| freychef | nice! | 06:43 |
| |R | (going to japan in the end of mars if all goes well) | 06:43 |
| halley | |R, will keep you in mind. | 06:43 |
| halley | "end of mars" --> "end of March"? | 06:43 |
| |R | haha yeah, sorry, french speaker falling asleep ;) | 06:44 |
| |R | i'm typing in frenglish | 06:44 |
| halley | Zut alors! | 06:44 |
| |R | :D | 06:44 |
| halley | Right now I get only ~8 frames per second, because python is SO SLOW on the tablet. | 06:45 |
| pupnik | heh | 06:46 |
| halley | The pixel-pushing isn't the problem, the python in my library is a bit too general-purpose. | 06:46 |
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| pupnik | nice to see your project halley | 06:46 |
| pupnik | design with the tools you have | 06:48 |
| halley | Well, I wrote 95% of the library before I had a NIT in my hands. | 06:48 |
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| freychef | When I plug my n800 into my desktop, how can I get the desktop to read the n800's entire file system and not just the external mem card? Doable? | 06:55 |
| pupnik | i think you can make samba share of your root fs | 06:56 |
| freychef | desktop is a linux box. | 06:56 |
| freychef | is this a root vs user question? | 06:57 |
| halley | freychef, I might be wrong but I think it's just that it's easier to host a block device if the whole hosted entity is one filesystem and filesystem type (e.g., fat32). | 06:59 |
| halley | You would have to do some weird translation stuff if hosting the "root" because root contains branches that are different internal hardware components, filesystems, and even formats. | 07:00 |
| freychef | ok, but isn't the internal memory card also formatted with fat32? | 07:00 |
| halley | No, jffs2 for the root. | 07:00 |
| freychef | ok, that's my problem then, I'll have to dig around a little more. | 07:01 |
| halley | Even if they're the same format, they are different block devices. Hosting happens at the block level, not the file level. | 07:01 |
| halley | Again, I could be wrong, but that is my understanding. | 07:01 |
| freychef | ok, seems to be a good explaination. | 07:02 |
| freychef | thanks. | 07:02 |
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| dragorn | I think the device actually unmounts the card and presents it as a block mass storage device to the host | 07:23 |
| dragorn | so no, it can't present the root and initfs the same way | 07:23 |
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| Fenix-Dark | hey | 07:42 |
| l7 | heya | 07:42 |
| kuzew | hello | 07:42 |
| Fenix-Dark | any of you notice problems with the n800's screen scratching? | 07:42 |
| l7 | hrm, not me, but i use a screen guard | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you take off the factory protector? | 07:43 |
| l7 | not yet | 07:43 |
| Fenix-Dark | i replaced my dead 770 with an n800, i just opened the package, and the screen is all scratched up | 07:43 |
| l7 | should i take it off? | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2523 | 07:44 |
| l7 | i should get around to ordering a glossy boxwave screen guard | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even Quim fails at submitting bugs. | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait until you get another one. | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fenix-Dark, it's the screen protector that's scratched | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | not the screen itself. | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get the anti-glare, l7. | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's much more legible. | 07:45 |
| Fenix-Dark | GeneralAntilles, you're correct | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd leave it on until you get a third party protector | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Boxwave anti-glare ones are very nice. | 07:45 |
| l7 | hrm... | 07:47 |
| l7 | someone else told me that the glossy was "like having nothing on the screen" | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but you get a shitload of glare. | 07:48 |
| l7 | does the anti-glare one seem a bit duller? | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The anti-glare has A. a much better texture (mildly paper-like), and B. anti-glare. | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is, yes, but you wont notice it. | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's maybe a 2-4% reduction in brightness. | 07:48 |
| l7 | now that you mention it, i notice there is some annoying reflections coming from the factory screen guard | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well worth the better feel and the improved legibility in all lighting conditions. | 07:49 |
| l7 | is the glossy one comparable to the factory screen guard in glare? | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The glossy one was on a friends Palm. | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was a while ago | 07:50 |
| l7 | have you tried both screen guards? | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I scratched my factory protector to hell very quickly. | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only tried the anti-glare on my own hardware | 07:50 |
| freychef | i'm looking at their website now...it list a protector for the 770. will that fit on the n800 as well? | 07:50 |
| l7 | i usually use the n800 at home with dim lighting, but it would be annoying to get a lot of glare if i used it outside | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | glossy was on a friend's. | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it had a lot of glare. | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have a page for the N800, too. | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, the screen sizes are the same, freychef. | 07:51 |
| l7 | freychef: i think the screen sizes are the same, but don't quote me | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, also, the anti-glare doesn't finger-print nearly as easily. | 07:51 |
| corevette | screen sizes are same | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | They are the same, l7. | 07:51 |
| l7 | you can quote GeneralAntilles i guess :) | 07:51 |
| freychef | OK thanks. | 07:52 |
| Fenix-Dark | oh wow | 07:52 |
| l7 | GeneralAntilles: have you used the anti-glare screen outdoors? | 07:52 |
| Fenix-Dark | the stylus in the n800 is a lot better than the ones from the 770 | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot, l7. | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's very good. | 07:52 |
| l7 | how does sunlight affect it? | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wont have trouble with glare. | 07:52 |
| l7 | sometimes i wind up hitting myself in the eyes with reflected sunlight from my cell phone | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just the N800's generally poor outdoor visibility. | 07:53 |
| |R | freychef : do you have many friends in montreal with n8x0 devices? | 07:53 |
| l7 | i don't suppose the anti-glare will do much about reflected sun though | 07:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's much more diffused, l7. | 07:53 |
| |R | yeah not perfect but without anti glare i would get directly blinded :) | 07:53 |
| l7 | haha | 07:54 |
| Fenix-Dark | meh, the case with the 770 was better | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then use that case, Fenix-Dark. :P | 07:54 |
| Fenix-Dark | i dont have it anymore | 07:54 |
| l7 | |R: do you have the box wave anti-glare too? | 07:54 |
| freychef | |R: no just me. | 07:55 |
| l7 | hrm, i wonder if there is a poll on preferred screen protectors | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | anti-glare, l7. | 07:55 |
| |R | l7 :yep | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trust me on this one. :P | 07:55 |
| Fenix-Dark | does the n800 work with wpa2 | 07:56 |
| l7 | heh okay, thanks for the advice | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just fine, Fenix-Dark. | 07:56 |
| l7 | Fenix-Dark: it works fine with my airport express | 07:56 |
| Fenix-Dark | wierd, it isnt seeing my network | 07:56 |
| l7 | on wpa2 | 07:56 |
| |R | http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html | 07:56 |
| |R | i'd be curious to try this one though | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Network hidden, Fenix-Dark? | 07:57 |
| astro76 | |R, I can tell you how bad that would be | 07:57 |
| |R | astro76 : oh? | 07:57 |
| Fenix-Dark | GeneralAntilles, nope | 07:57 |
| astro76 | |R, put it on a cell phone once, it's extremely rubbery, very poor texture for touch screen | 07:57 |
| astro76 | takes a lot of moisture to apply too | 07:58 |
| |R | astro76: had it on a D2 (cowon) and it worked well with touch screen, but applying it with the water bottle is a PITA... | 07:58 |
| |R | i just don't remember how it delt with glare... | 07:58 |
| astro76 | I can't imagine it would stop any glare | 07:58 |
| |R | (not that boxwave was very fun to apply either...) | 07:58 |
| astro76 | at least the boxwave is washable/reappliable | 07:59 |
| |R | yeah | 07:59 |
| l7 | hrm, the invisible shield one seems much harder | 07:59 |
| |R | 5 times haha ;) | 07:59 |
| l7 | is it still good after five times? | 07:59 |
| l7 | or is it all wrinkled after five time? | 07:59 |
| astro76 | the invisible shield can also stretch out of shape | 07:59 |
| |R | yeah just what i had to go through to apply... | 07:59 |
| |R | with invisishield you'll probably run out of water in their bottle | 07:59 |
| l7 | ouch | 07:59 |
| l7 | how exactly does the boxwave installation go? | 08:00 |
| |R | anyway, go with boxwave anti-glare :) | 08:00 |
| |R | they're all painfull | 08:00 |
| l7 | i guess step one is removing all dust | 08:00 |
| |R | hehe | 08:00 |
| |R | yeah | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | boxwave wasn't too bad | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just the dust | 08:00 |
| |R | and then step 2 is the same | 08:00 |
| |R | and 3 and 4 and ... i think my house is too old ;) | 08:00 |
| l7 | why can't nokia just install em of us? :/ | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's durable, and reaplicable. | 08:01 |
| l7 | so it's a lot of washing and drying before you get a good install? | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Costs money, l7. | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | A bit | 08:01 |
| l7 | maybe i should move into a clean room... | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It actually helps if you leave it a little damp when you're applying. | 08:01 |
| l7 | yeah i was kidding :/ | 08:01 |
| l7 | leave it damp? how will the moisture get out later? | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got a plastic applicator thing | 08:02 |
| l7 | i assume you don't want moisture in your tablet.. | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | To press out bubbles and such | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just press the few drops out to the edges and wipe them off. | 08:02 |
| l7 | won't that mean the water will be pushed to the edge of the screen where it could get behind the panel? | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Panel is sealed. | 08:03 |
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| l7 | hrm, i guess i will have to just have faith in the unit's construction | 08:03 |
| |R | anyone here in europe? | 08:04 |
| l7 | maybe i should cover the speaker grill with saran wrap or something during the install | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:04 |
| |R | (i know i should stop asking at 01:00 EST) | 08:04 |
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| Fenix-Dark | hrm, i'm trying to pair my apple bluetooth keyboard with my n800, but when i'm pairing the keyboard, the n800 says 'Pairing failed. Device resources exceeded. try again?' | 08:12 |
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| pupnik_ | hrm | 08:16 |
| pupnik_ | sell it | 08:16 |
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| ranjan | hi i have problems with os2008 and skype on N800 | 08:45 |
| ranjan | frequent crashes | 08:45 |
| ranjan | is that a know issue | 08:45 |
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| ranjan | anyone here? | 08:50 |
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| kulve | yes, but I don't use skype | 08:55 |
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| ranjan | ok ty | 08:56 |
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| dhr | I have a 770. I've got it working with a rocketfish bt keyboard but that is big. I'm trying to get it working with a iGo Stowaway Ultra-Slim bt keyboard and am having no luck. Any ideas? Some folks report this keyboard model works with the N800. Linux on a PC, using the rocketfish BT dongle doesn't seem to see the iGo either. | 09:34 |
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| ttmrichter | Is alterego online? | 10:03 |
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| ttmrichter | Has anybody successfully installed from http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/ at all? I can't seem to get the repository working. | 10:13 |
| vegai | Wow, they remove OGG already from html5? | 10:15 |
| vegai | that was snappy. | 10:16 |
| Fatal | silly | 10:17 |
| vegai | I didn't know OGG has any patent risks. Has someone covered this issue somewhere? | 10:17 |
| vegai | from wikipedia: "Ogg is an open standard for a free container format for digital multimedia, unrestricted by software patents and designed for efficient streaming and manipulation. " | 10:17 |
| vegai | and afaik all the related libs are BSD licensed | 10:17 |
| Fatal | to me it all sounds like politics :/ | 10:18 |
| glass_ | it's always politics | 10:19 |
| glass_ | or somebody thinking it would be hard to support on their platform | 10:19 |
| vegai | sometimes politics are actually backed by factual arguments | 10:19 |
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| vegai | in contrast, this seems to be complete bullshit | 10:19 |
| suihkulokki | IÍ„'m not sure if vorbis is problematic, but theora could be | 10:20 |
| vegai | wikipedia: "While VP3 is patented technology, On2 has irrevocably given royalty-free license of the VP3 patents to everyone, letting anyone use Theora and other VP3-derived codecs for any purpose." | 10:21 |
| vegai | ok, that doesn't sound quite as strong as "unrestricted by software patents" | 10:21 |
| vegai | I sincerely hope you're right, though | 10:22 |
| vegai | I kinda like Nokia and wouldn't want to see them stoop that low | 10:22 |
| suihkulokki | vegai: wikipedia is forgetting that ON2 is not the only party with patents in video | 10:22 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! | 10:22 |
| * vegai takes a look at the discussion page | 10:23 | |
| vegai | nothing much there | 10:24 |
| vegai | suihkulokki: you mean there are some sort of general patents? | 10:24 |
| vegai | "Showing images in a rapid fashion, patent #3427984723894" :P | 10:25 |
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| L0cutus | buongiorno | 10:35 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | i like this patent : http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=8&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=clic&s2=mouse&OS=clic+AND+mouse&RS=clic+AND+mouse | 10:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum ... this one is better : http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=43&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=4,734,690&OS=4,734,690&RS=4,734,690 | 10:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | there are many stupid patent .... : http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=4,730,185&OS=4,730,185&RS=4,730,185 | 10:41 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=30&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=4,730,185&OS=4,730,185&RS=4,730,185 | 10:41 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lol | 10:41 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and the result : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/04/mckool_smith_lawsuit_update/ | 10:42 |
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| keesj | Khertan_TheReal: how about not spamming the channel | 11:17 |
| keesj | perhaps use tinyurl? | 11:17 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:23 |
| hahlo | Hi, is there any bluetooth applications for os2007 like simple file transfer or vcard exchange? | 11:24 |
| Khertan_TheReal | keesj> yes perhaps :) | 11:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hahlo > file manager do this ... | 11:27 |
| hahlo | Khertan_TheReal: ok have look closely, with one clance it look more difficult to send and receive bt files than regular pc gnome | 11:28 |
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| pupnik_ | ttp://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ multi-touch demo | 11:46 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | this is not new ... | 11:46 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve see the page one year ago | 11:47 |
| Khertan_TheReal | s/see/seen | 11:47 |
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| oil_ | simple linux question. how to parse number 2 from a variable FOO='<a>1</a> <b>2</b><c>3</c>' ? | 11:55 |
| script | oil_: clean way would probably be an xpath query | 11:56 |
| oil_ | I tried with awk, but it fails when using variable eg: echo $FOO | awk '/<b>/,/<\/b>/' | 11:56 |
| oil_ | script: how to do that? | 11:56 |
| script | oil_: xmlstartlet can do that | 11:57 |
| script | but might be some kind of overkill | 11:57 |
| oil_ | I'm using this with os2008 and if possible, not wish to install external applications. | 11:58 |
| oil_ | can install as well, but better if can do with the tools which are already included | 11:58 |
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| kulve | echo $FOO | sed 's,.*<b>\([0-9]\)*</b>.*,\1,' | 12:03 |
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| oil_ | kulve: kiitos! I'll use that one | 12:05 |
| jumpula | or you can use tr/cut, but that would be cheating | 12:05 |
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| jumpula | and makes semantically less sense | 12:06 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Yes i ve successfully made my first home applet in ruby :) | 12:06 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ! | 12:07 |
| Khertan_TheReal | need a bit more graphics ... ... and transparency | 12:07 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | is it possible to make a transparent gtk label ? | 12:13 |
| oil_ | kulve: one more thing. how to restrict sed to stop on the first </b> on the variable? | 12:14 |
| keesj | perhaps there is a greedy flag? | 12:15 |
| kulve | oil_: sorry, I don't know that much :) | 12:15 |
| oil_ | kulve: anyway thanks for the help. I'll try to find it out. :) | 12:15 |
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| jumpula | doesn't \([0-9]\)* indicate that it would have to stop to first </b>? | 12:27 |
| jumpula | save the trivial case, in which * equals zero | 12:27 |
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| kulve | jumpula: <b>1</b>sdlökas<b>2</b> | 12:30 |
| kulve | I think that was the case addressed above | 12:30 |
| jumpula | yeah, but that contains characters that are not 0-9 | 12:30 |
| oil_ | or better <b foo>asdad</b>adhad<b bar>adskhadskh</b> | 12:31 |
| jumpula | and your regexp specificly says that only characters 0-9 are allowed in between | 12:31 |
| kulve | jumpula: there's two pairs of the b tag. Which one to match? | 12:32 |
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| oil_ | on the xhtml/xml page it has all the characters | 12:32 |
| kulve | the sed sentence had .* in the bedinning and in the end.. | 12:32 |
| jumpula | yes, but shouldn't the 0-9 limit matching | 12:32 |
| kulve | jumpula: still missing the point.. | 12:32 |
| kulve | (I guess) | 12:32 |
| jumpula | might be | 12:33 |
| dpb_ | jumpula: regexp is greedy, it takes the last match | 12:33 |
| jumpula | but i think greedy matching should not be possible in that case | 12:33 |
| jumpula | dpb_: yeah, that i know | 12:33 |
| kulve | jumpula: would my sed sentence match for 1 or for 2 in the example I put there | 12:33 |
| kulve | oil_: you start to sound like you want a real xml parsing.. | 12:33 |
| oil_ | kulve: I think this way would be ok | 12:34 |
| jumpula | aa. now that i read the pattern, i realize the problem. | 12:34 |
| jumpula | i thought the tags were interlapping :) | 12:34 |
| kulve | oil: echo $FOO | sed 's,.*<b>\([^<\)*</b>.*,\1,' | 12:34 |
| kulve | that one would match a bit better, if there can be anything but < inside the tags | 12:35 |
| kulve | hups | 12:35 |
| kulve | oil: echo $FOO | sed 's,.*<b>\([^<]\)*</b>.*,\1,' | 12:35 |
| jumpula | oil_: there's an excellent utility called xml2 which may help you | 12:36 |
| jumpula | it'll change the xml to more sedable form | 12:36 |
| jumpula | the sed scripts often become not trivial when doing proper parsing | 12:36 |
| jumpula | in perl, you can easily give an option to be greedy/non-greedy | 12:37 |
| jumpula | don't know whether sed has the equivalent | 12:37 |
| oil_ | moment gentleman...taking a bit time to test | 12:37 |
| dpb_ | echo $FOO | sed 's,.\?<b>\([^<]\)*</b>.*,\1,' matches the first | 12:37 |
| dpb_ | (only gnu sed though) | 12:37 |
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| kulve | uhm.. Why? | 12:39 |
| dpb_ | well.. in that kulves example line.. doesn't seem to work with <b foo>asdad</b>adhad<b bar>adskhadskh</b>.. | 12:39 |
| kulve | yeah, because you have .? there | 12:39 |
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| dpb_ | why what? | 12:39 |
| kulve | doesn't .? match to any one or zero characters..? | 12:40 |
| kulve | I think the whole substition is a bad idea there.. | 12:41 |
| kulve | one should match and print it.. | 12:41 |
| dpb_ | yeah, that \? matches zero or one character, but as it isn't greedy like *, it matches the first | 12:43 |
| dpb_ | err.. | 12:43 |
| kulve | yeah, err.. | 12:43 |
| dpb_ | yeah, got what you meant now.. :) | 12:44 |
| oil_ | echo $XML | sed 's,.*<p class="welcomenote">\(.*\)</p>.*,\1,' this stil doesn't work | 12:44 |
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| oil_ | that's the actu thing what I try to get | 12:45 |
| kulve | hmm.. Does the $XML include newlines? | 12:45 |
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| oil_ | can we unwrap the sed string. .* = everything, (.*\) prints what is inside the () ? | 12:45 |
| oil_ | kulve. it can, but when doing echo $XML > file , there was no newlines | 12:46 |
| kulve | ok | 12:46 |
| kulve | \(.*\) puts those to variable 1 and the \1 then "prints" it.. | 12:47 |
| oil_ | ok. thanks | 12:47 |
| kulve | what do you mean by "doesn't work"? | 12:47 |
| kulve | prints nothing? Too much? | 12:48 |
| oil_ | sorry. yes. it prints after the </p> as well.. untill the last </p> on the document | 12:48 |
| kulve | that's because you have .* inside the () | 12:49 |
| kulve | . is any char and * is 0-n | 12:49 |
| kulve | replace the .* with [^<] | 12:49 |
| kulve | then it's any character but not < | 12:49 |
| keesj | there is also the great perl xml shell | 12:50 |
| keesj | XSH | 12:50 |
| jumpula | oil_: echo does that | 12:51 |
| jumpula | you get the newlines if you use echo "$XML" | 12:51 |
| oil_ | this will print the whole document echo $XML | sed 's,.*<p class="welcomenote">\([^<]\)</p>.*,\1,' | 12:51 |
| oil_ | 12:51 | |
| jumpula | without quotes, the newlines are not the only things mangled, unless you've customized the IFS | 12:52 |
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| kulve | oil_: do you have the XML somewhere..? | 12:53 |
| kulve | oil_: and now you are missing the * from there.. Sorry, my instructions were invalid.. | 12:53 |
| oil_ | jumpula: I'm using without quotes. should it be include? | 12:54 |
| kulve | replace the \(.*\) with \([^<]\)* | 12:54 |
| kulve | no.. | 12:54 |
| jumpula | try with echo "$XML" and see the difference | 12:54 |
| kulve | replace the \(.*\) with \([^<]*\) | 12:54 |
| jumpula | but yeah, xml2 should be able to change the tags for you to your favourite separator and then it's much simpler to do things with tr/cut/sed/awk | 12:55 |
| oil_ | bingo! sed 's,.*<p class="welcomenote">\([^<]*\)</p>.*,\1,' | 12:55 |
| oil_ | this one does the work! big thanks for all! | 12:56 |
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| jumpula | that, of course, would add the dependency to xml2 if you're doing a script... | 12:56 |
| oil_ | jumpula: echo with "" does the big difference. thanks. I'll use that info later on! | 12:56 |
| oil_ | the source file is mixture with xhtml and xml and some wierd tags. | 12:57 |
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| jumpula | oil_: if you want to know why there's that difference, man bash and search for IFS :) | 13:00 |
| oil_ | jumpula: ok. checked. :) | 13:02 |
| oil_ | and lessons learned. next time I think life is too easy, I can always get back to regular expressions ;) | 13:02 |
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| rothiel | Hello World :) | 13:04 |
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| Spakman_ | when I load some programs I get a banner like "email loading...". How can I get that for when I boot my application? Is it something in the desktop file? | 13:12 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:27 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Spakman_ > it's in the desktop file and service file ... | 13:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | look at /usr/share/application/hildon/applicationtocopy.desktop | 13:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and /usr/share/dbus-1/services/applicationtocopy.service | 13:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 13:39 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.filecabi.net/video/notanotherskatedog.html [ Not Just another Skateboarding Dog, This one is actually Good. ] | 13:40 |
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| lardman | anyone fancy some ogg vorbis dsp task decoder debugging? | 13:42 |
| lardman | I've been staring at a piece of code and can't see what's wrong with it, I'd appreciate another pair of eyes | 13:43 |
| derf | Man, I wish, but unfortunately people occasionally expect me to do real work. | 13:43 |
| lardman | it's hard isn't it ;) | 13:43 |
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| lardman | If anyone has a minute, here;s the problem: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5d69e065 | 13:47 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ouch really a good skateboarder :) | 13:49 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: I don't see code where you set byteRead? | 13:51 |
| lardman | no, but it does have a value as the dbg() statement returns it | 13:52 |
| lardman | fwiw here's where it's set: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5ba9fac6 | 13:52 |
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| X-Fade_ | Note that your return a size_t and byteRead is int? | 13:53 |
| lardman | yes, the sizes of the types are all a bit screwed up I admit | 13:53 |
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| lardman | size_t should map to unsigned long I think, so it should work ok | 13:53 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Yeah, memcpy expects size_t too ;) | 13:53 |
| lardman | I'll change byteRead to Uns (unsigned int) then, would that make a difference? | 13:54 |
| X-Fade_ | Nah, don't think so. It'll just silence warnings. | 13:55 |
| lardman | I can't see that it would, in one function it has a +ve value, and in the next it is =0 | 13:55 |
| X-Fade_ | Is this multiple threads? | 13:55 |
| lardman | yes | 13:55 |
| X-Fade_ | Maybe timing related? | 13:55 |
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| X-Fade_ | Some race condition? | 13:56 |
| lardman | the two functions in the first pastebin are in the same thread, the function which sets byteRead is in another thread | 13:56 |
| lardman | it shouldn't matter, the problem of transfering the value of byteRead occurs in the same thread | 13:56 |
| X-Fade_ | Maybe you should put a mutex around it to be sure it doesn't change in between? | 13:56 |
| lopz | hola | 13:56 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: ah, that's an option | 13:57 |
| lardman | But... it should never return to =0, not until the last bytes have been read | 13:58 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: It can actually be that you see the results of a second read while still processing the first block.. | 13:58 |
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| X-Fade_ | And that that second read gets 0 bytes.. | 13:58 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: You can test this by just copying the value of byteRead at the begin of ReadDataFromARM. | 13:59 |
| lardman | it's an option, but the second read doesn't get 0 bytes | 13:59 |
| X-Fade_ | And see if it returns that value correctly.. | 13:59 |
| lardman | also, in ivorbisidec_rcv_bksnd a dbg() statement is output before the value of byteRead is changed: dbg(task, "rcv_bksnd"); | 13:59 |
| lardman | we only see this message once in the dmesg output | 14:00 |
| lardman | the other thing is that in ReadDataFromARM() I call bkreqp() which requests data from the ARM. I then wait on a semaphore. When the data arrives and ivorbisidec_rcv_bksnd() is called by the dspgateway, it alters the value of byteRead and posts the semaphore and we continue in ReadDataFromARM | 14:02 |
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| lardman | I don't call bkreqp() again, and if I did I'd see a message. | 14:02 |
| X-Fade_ | Yeah, weird.. | 14:03 |
| lardman | perhaps the compiler doesn't like function pointers? | 14:03 |
| X-Fade_ | I would try to copy the value, just in case. But that shouldn't matter.. | 14:03 |
| lardman | I'll alter the way _get_data() works and just use the global variable and see if that works | 14:04 |
| lardman | glad it's not just an obvious school boy error on my part though | 14:04 |
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| behrad | did any one have list of maemo base cell phone ? | 14:09 |
| X-Fade_ | behrad: Ah that is easy.. | 14:09 |
| glass_ | the list is very short | 14:09 |
| X-Fade_ | none | 14:09 |
| glass_ | as it has no names at all | 14:09 |
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| behrad | X-Fade_, non !!? | 14:10 |
| X-Fade_ | behrad: Yep, maemo is only in use on internet tablets. | 14:10 |
| behrad | X-Fade_, oh sorry its my mistake. list of internet tablets that use meamo | 14:11 |
| BeBraw | behrad: http://www.openmoko.com/ is probably close enough | 14:11 |
| X-Fade_ | behrad: Nokia 770, N800 and N810. | 14:12 |
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| behrad | X-Fade_, BeBraw thanks | 14:12 |
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| BeBraw | hopefully N900 contains phone too... | 14:12 |
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| BeBraw | behrad: another concept you might want take a look into is google's android | 14:13 |
| glass_ | theres no devices running android out though | 14:14 |
| glass_ | nor will be in a while | 14:14 |
| BeBraw | that fic phone is available already though | 14:15 |
| glass_ | neo1973 | 14:15 |
| glass_ | yes, technically available | 14:15 |
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| BeBraw | hopefully next-gen or gen after that devices have rollable/foldable screens | 14:17 |
| glass_ | i doubt that happening in next gen.. | 14:18 |
| glass_ | dunno if i'd dig that even anyways | 14:18 |
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| keesj | BeBraw: to make it possible to use anywhere else then on the floor? | 14:34 |
| BeBraw | keesj: that's a problem for the engineer to solve. i wouldn't mind using such a device | 14:35 |
| glass_ | it would suck if you needed a hard book or something for the back | 14:36 |
| BeBraw | another way the tech could go is augmented reality. once you put on your goggles, you have the screen there | 14:36 |
| glass_ | of course.. but thats not really practical in couple of generations of maemo devices even | 14:37 |
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| oil | huh. I found the reason why the ping times were so slow (also affects to writing shell commands). When the wlan has full powersafe, ping times are 200-300ms. when changin it to intermediate, ping times drop to 5ms, which is far better when doing scripting. | 14:49 |
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| inz | touchscreen + goggles doesn't work, you don't want fingerprints on yer cool shades ;) | 14:53 |
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| oil | btw. is there a way to 'push' the gps location to navicore with the command line? | 14:57 |
| oil | eg. If I wish to share locations with a friend, I could get an the coordinates from the web page, start the navicore and show the location on the map? | 14:57 |
| guardian | hi maemo | 14:58 |
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| lardman | oil: not with navicore, but there's some sort of location tag in jabber communication iirc, there was talk of implementing that in maemo-mapper | 14:59 |
| lardman | oil: sounds cool, but I don;t know the specifics, take a look on itt at the maemo-mapper threads | 15:00 |
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| oil | lardman|lunch: ok. I was looking at the maemo mapper before. I'm thinking if there is a 'last know location' on the navicore files | 15:03 |
| X-Fade_ | oil: You better look into maemo mapper, as Navicore will never let you change anything. | 15:04 |
| oil | X-Fade_: you are correct on that one. still looking for solution which needs as little as possible modifications and application installations | 15:06 |
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| Tak | I'm glad the tablets haven't had phones builtin - I hope nokia doesn't cave and add a phone like they did with the kb | 15:10 |
| inz | Or if they for some reason create a phone-model, they should keep a phoneless one on the side | 15:11 |
| oil | tak: how come? and what is kb? | 15:11 |
| Tak | keyboard | 15:12 |
| Tak | because it's not a damn phone! | 15:12 |
| Tak | and I hope they don't let it degenerate into just another smartphone | 15:12 |
| oil | if tablet would have phone and also gprs/3g/hspa connection, I would not carry my phone anymore. | 15:13 |
| Veggen | well. I'd say it having a gsm-interface *in addition* wouldn't be *that bad*, but if it means locking down things, it would be. | 15:13 |
| Tak | yes, and if I could irc and make calls with my penis, I wouldn't have to carry any electronics at all! | 15:14 |
| X-Fade_ | Do you really want people seeing you call with a big ass tablet against your ear? :) | 15:14 |
| Tak | I hope that Nokia will provide me that functionality in the future. | 15:14 |
| Veggen | X-fade: it'd have to have a good handsfree, of course :) | 15:15 |
| Veggen | but seriously, it's not that a big deal, I don't see it replacing my cell phone anyhow, it's still a little too big for that. | 15:15 |
| Veggen | and I don't want it smaller to be able to replace a cell phone. | 15:15 |
| X-Fade_ | I see more in using the tablet as a BT carkit for you phone. So you can see everything on your tablet. And use it as handsfree. | 15:15 |
| X-Fade_ | See who is calling, answer the call etc.. | 15:16 |
| oil | tak: your idea might be usefull when in a bar. 'Hey pretty, There is a call for you.. down there' :-D | 15:17 |
| Tak | as tempting as it is, I'd better not pursue this line of conversation further | 15:17 |
| oil | anyway. the combination and specially with mobile data connectivity would be great. | 15:17 |
| oil | now we need 2 devices to get the connection on the road. | 15:18 |
| keesj | 3 if you want gps | 15:18 |
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| X-Fade_ | keesj: Nah, I use GPS from my N95 with maemo mapper ;) | 15:19 |
| keesj | special dual output car plugs | 15:19 |
| keesj | and how to you attach the device? | 15:20 |
| Tak | encase it in carbonite on your dashboard | 15:20 |
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| keesj | and run canola on it | 15:23 |
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| oil | hmm. on n800/0s2008 there is a file: /var/lib/gps/gps_last_saved_report which is in data format. using strings does not give any further glue. | 15:23 |
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| Tak | is there a package for sdl-gfx on chinook yet? | 15:30 |
| Tak | there must be; else pygame apps would be blowing up all over the place | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 15:31 |
| Tak | morning jacques | 15:32 |
| Tak | err | 15:32 |
| Tak | Jaffa: | 15:32 |
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| Jaffa | :) | 15:37 |
| Tak | hooray, nokia's not hosting the source package anymore either | 15:37 |
| Tak | s/nokia/maemo.org/ | 15:37 |
| infobot | Tak meant: hooray, maemo.org's not hosting the source package anymore either | 15:37 |
| * Tak stab infobot | 15:37 | |
| Jaffa | Gah, finally shop.nokia.co.uk gets N810s in, but discount codes still don't work :-( | 15:37 |
| Tak | s/$/repeatedly/ | 15:38 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: All libs that are not by default on the device will not be available in the chinook SDK repository. | 15:38 |
| Tak | meh, I'm just going to wait for an email saying, "The discount codes are now active" | 15:38 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: If an application needs them, they should put them in the extras repository.. | 15:38 |
| X-Fade_ | Jaffa: My guess is you need to get them at direct.nokia.com shop.. | 15:39 |
| Tak | heh, I had the impression that sdl-gfx was a nokia-added library in the extras repo | 15:39 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: I had that discussion about libgdbm before ;) | 15:40 |
| Tak | so...my impression is mistaken, and I should upload my sdl-gfx build to chinook extras(-devel?)? | 15:40 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: They want to go to a situation where users should _never_ have to add the sdk repository to install software. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: Yeah, your applications and all it's dependencies that are not on the device by default. | 15:42 |
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| Tak | I see. | 15:43 |
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| BeBraw | does maemo ui use double tap (click)? (haven't got the device. just curious) | 15:49 |
| Tak | use it for what? | 15:50 |
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| BeBraw | i mean can you use double tap on some program? | 15:51 |
| BeBraw | is it commonly used or do you use just single tap everywhere | 15:51 |
| Tak | I would say it's rarely if ever used | 15:52 |
| Spakman_ | BeBraw: aye, I've just used it in my latest app. I had to change the double click distance and time though since my fingers weren't precise enough. | 15:53 |
| Tak | the only time I ever end up double "clicking" is when I need to click to select something, then click again to open/launch/etc it once it's selected | 15:53 |
| * Tak upload sdlgfx | 15:54 | |
| Spakman_ | I used it in a mapping program. Double clicking zooms into a certain place, like Google Maps | 15:54 |
| BeBraw | k. thanks :) | 15:54 |
| Tak | is there a reason single-click shouldn't do that? | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Tak: ditto | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade_: direct.nokia.com doesn't sell to the UK anymore, it redirects to shop.nokia.co.uk | 15:55 |
| BeBraw | it's a shame the tablet doesn't provide a scroll wheel | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | That happened about 2 weeks after the N800 went on sale, because people buying from direct.nokia.com were getting them about $50 cheaper than buying from shop.nokia.co.uk (at today's exchange rates) | 15:56 |
| X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Hmm indeed ;) | 15:56 |
| Tak | ugh @ thought of exchange rates | 15:56 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: I made some modifications, and the results are still odd: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1f4201b7 | 15:56 |
| keesj | I did sdl-gfx in mud for xmoto before | 15:56 |
| Tak | aha, it was you! | 15:58 |
| Tak | you're behind :-P | 15:58 |
| keesj | yes but I did not get xmoto to compile on 4.0 | 15:58 |
| Tak | hmm, why not? | 15:58 |
| keesj | the autoconf tools are behaving strangely | 15:59 |
| Tak | hmm - I haven't had an issue thus far | 15:59 |
| keesj | it ends with the message arm-gnu.xxxx.g++ -V requires argument (when configure is trying to check the g++ version) | 15:59 |
| Tak | ah, maybe it's a g++-specific problem | 16:00 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Maybe use global for bytesRead? | 16:03 |
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| lardman | X-Fade_: it is global - declared in the body of the file, not in a function | 16:04 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: in the same file as the ReadDataFromARM() fn, but a different one to the _get_data() fn | 16:05 |
| lardman | unless my globalness is not working | 16:05 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: I see the extern. May use that in the _get_data function? | 16:06 |
| X-Fade_ | inside. | 16:06 |
| lardman | put it inside the fn? you can't do that can you?! | 16:07 |
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| X-Fade_ | lardman: Should work? | 16:12 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Just define it in the function. | 16:13 |
| Tak | argh, d.m.o won't let me log in | 16:14 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: define it in the fn as being extern? That works? | 16:14 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: An external variable must be _defined_, exactly once, outside of any function; this sets aside storage for it. The variable must also be _declared_ in each function that wants to access it. | 16:14 |
| lardman | ah, cool | 16:15 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: use m.o/downloads, to be sure.. | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade_ | lardman: pssst: http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/lab/secondyear/cshort/docs/node17.html :) | 16:16 |
| fatal- | is there any command line tool to launch a correct mime type handler for any given name? so that I could start mp3 playing without thinking what should take care of it? | 16:16 |
| Tak | aha, there we are | 16:17 |
| fatal- | just giving the file as a parameter | 16:17 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: Thanks, I ought to do a course rather than learning from a book ;) | 16:17 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: in any case it gives exactly the same answer | 16:17 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: I pasted from that ;) | 16:18 |
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| lardman | :) | 16:19 |
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| X-Fade_ | lardman: I think it will work a bit better for you now? | 16:21 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: how come? | 16:21 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: As now bytesRead actually works? | 16:22 |
| lardman | no | 16:22 |
| lardman | unfortunately not, same as before, it appears to have a value of 0 | 16:22 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: That zero is suspicious.. | 16:22 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: try to initialize bytesRead as another value before your function. Just to see if it actually uses it? | 16:23 |
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| lardman | the whole thing's a bit wierd really - I split the initialisation+declaration of the bytes variable and it does the same, I explicitly called the ReadDataFromARM() fn (rather than a fn pointer) and still the same | 16:24 |
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| X-Fade_ | lardman: Can you post your code? | 16:25 |
| lardman | yes | 16:25 |
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| lardman | you'll have to give me a few minutes though | 16:25 |
| tmccrary | Is there a regular SIP client for the n810? | 16:25 |
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| Tak | gizmo? | 16:26 |
| tmccrary | I meant one that isn't locked into a particular service | 16:26 |
| tmccrary | "Regular" | 16:26 |
| tmccrary | Unless they changed that in recent version of the gizmo client? | 16:26 |
| tmccrary | I tried it a while ago on my n770 and it works okay | 16:26 |
| tmccrary | but you had to use their servers, you couldn't use your own | 16:26 |
| Khertan_VM | test | 16:27 |
| Tak | FAIL | 16:28 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: hmm, if I assign a value to byteRead in the _get_data() fn, it still ignores it | 16:28 |
| tmccrary | Is that a no? | 16:28 |
| Tak | I had the impression that gizmo was a generic sip client | 16:28 |
| Tak | if not, I think ekiga has been ported | 16:29 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: So there really is a bug in your code ;) | 16:29 |
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| lardman | you could say that :) | 16:29 |
| X-Fade_ | Passing it by value perhaps? | 16:30 |
| lardman | it's decalred like so: extern Uns byteRead; | 16:30 |
| lardman | presumably it shouldn't matter | 16:31 |
| X-Fade_ | insite _get_data? | 16:31 |
| X-Fade_ | inside.. | 16:31 |
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| lardman | I've tried both inside and outside, same in both cases | 16:32 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: You do include the header exporting the var in the other file, right? | 16:32 |
| lardman | yes | 16:33 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/ | 16:34 |
| lardman | it's still uploading though | 16:34 |
| lardman | the files in question are dsptask_ivorbisdec.c and vorbisfile.c | 16:35 |
| X-Fade_ | what files should I be looking at? | 16:35 |
| X-Fade_ | ah ;) | 16:35 |
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| X-Fade_ | lardman: I don't see a .h file that exports your byteRead? | 16:37 |
| lardman | it's inline in the file | 16:38 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: But how would vorbisfile.c know about it? | 16:39 |
| lardman | L76 in vorbisfile.c, L50 in dsptask_ivorbisdec.c | 16:39 |
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| lardman | I'd not planned on needing the variable in any other source file, hence the lack of a header to clean things up | 16:40 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: It doesn't get in vorbisfile.c by magic? Are you seeing warnings at compile time? | 16:40 |
| lardman | it's on line 76... | 16:42 |
| X-Fade_ | yeah, but there is no header exporting that.. | 16:42 |
| X-Fade_ | So it just creates an int locally.. | 16:42 |
| lardman | so what would a header do differently? | 16:42 |
| X-Fade_ | Actually give you the value? | 16:43 |
| lardman | I thought that by using extern, you tell the linker to resolve the name at link time? | 16:43 |
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| wumpus | headers don't export anything, they import (using extern :P) | 16:44 |
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| lardman | If I declare it in one file, I don't need a header there, then I should place "extern ..." in a header to import into another file? | 16:44 |
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| lardman | how is that different from not using a header and placing the extern statement in the .c file? | 16:45 |
| wumpus | well, if you want to use the same variable from another file, you should use extern, yes | 16:45 |
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| wumpus | uh, none | 16:45 |
| wumpus | you could paste the content of all header files into every program and it'd still work, there's nothing magical about them | 16:46 |
| Tak | I vote that you paste all the content in every file | 16:46 |
| Tak | you get hyperredundancy that way | 16:46 |
| lardman | my point exactly, I don't have a head file as I didn't expect to need to extern this var | 16:46 |
| lardman | but... if there's a problem with doing it this way I'd like to head about it (and not the unmaintainability thing) | 16:46 |
| wumpus | Tak: that'd be very useful, at least if one file gets corrupted, most still compile! | 16:46 |
| wumpus | you should use a different copy of gcc too for each file, just in case :P | 16:47 |
| lardman | if only I could use gcc.... | 16:47 |
| derf | lardman: Dump the assembly output. | 16:48 |
| wumpus | ah yeah, dsp | 16:48 |
| derf | Seriously. | 16:48 |
| lardman | derf: yes, good idea | 16:48 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: do you think there's something I've done wrong with the declaration? | 16:48 |
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| Jaffa | Next version of tablet-encode also has a simple GUI version: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html#screenshots | 16:52 |
| lardman | got to go back to work - long lunch break, will continue there, bbiab | 16:55 |
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| fatal- | hildon_mime_open_file() method seems to exist at some maemo release, apparently. cant find libhildonmime from anywhere, though | 17:03 |
| lopz | re :P | 17:04 |
| fatal- | err.. hildon_mime_open_file seems to be rather recent stuff; any idea is there anything that would work out of the box on an n770? | 17:06 |
| inz | s/hildon/osso/? | 17:07 |
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| fatal- | hmm | 17:07 |
| fatal- | such a thing seems to exist | 17:07 |
| Fatal | gmm | 17:07 |
| inz | in libossomime that is | 17:07 |
| Tak | isn't there something like maemo-launcher for that kind of thing? | 17:07 |
| fatal- | ok, will try that first | 17:07 |
| inz | Tak, maemo-launcher is used to speed up launching of things | 17:08 |
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| fatal- | well, if there is a standalone proggy that can do mime type handing for any file, please tell me :) | 17:08 |
| inz | Tak, the "binaries" are actually shared objects, the launcher dlopens them and calls their main() | 17:08 |
| X-Fade_ | Hmm this is a nice design: http://www.nokia.com/A4707477 | 17:09 |
| Tak | I see... | 17:09 |
| X-Fade_ | Should be a pretty high resolution device? | 17:09 |
| Tak | X-Fade_: it's a tricorder! | 17:10 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: Yep ;) | 17:10 |
| X-Fade_ | Tak: including scanner device ;) | 17:10 |
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| inz | Tak, try for example ls -l /usr/bin/osso_pdfviewer, it should be a symlink to maemo-invoker | 17:12 |
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| inz | Tak, maemo-invoker then tells maemo-launcher (over a unix socket) to run osso_pdfviewer.launch | 17:13 |
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| hexa | ho yeah crime la connection inet du bureau roskc asteur hehe 10-15mbps de ubuntu.com :) | 17:19 |
| hexa | ca fait bien un dist-upgrade ca ;) | 17:19 |
| Khertan_VM | pffff | 17:20 |
| hexa | oops wrong channel sorry! | 17:20 |
| Khertan_VM | hexa nop ... wrong chan ... but i know now why my x86 scratchbox target don t upgrade | 17:21 |
| Khertan_VM | it was too old ... and dist-upgrade fix it ... thx :) | 17:21 |
| hexa | hahah :) | 17:21 |
| Khertan_VM | it s when i see your post then i ve think of dist-upgrade | 17:21 |
| hexa | lol butterfly effect :) | 17:21 |
| Khertan_VM | mais tres jolie connection de ton bureau :) | 17:22 |
| hexa | Khertan_VM: hehe en effet.. ca fait changement du 100k/sec j'avais.. du quebec ou france? | 17:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | frankreich :) | 17:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | sorry too many vm on my post | 17:23 |
| hexa | hehe k :) .. Quebec ici | 17:23 |
| inz | hexa, 10-15 millibits per seconds, wow, that's slow ;) | 17:23 |
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| inz | -s | 17:23 |
| hexa | inz: hhe I mean Mbps :) | 17:24 |
| lardman | derf: disassembled source is going to take some time to work out | 17:26 |
| |R | ahah qu'est ce qui se passe? | 17:26 |
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| Khertan_VM | and finaly ... my scratchbox x86 is broken ... :( | 17:27 |
| hexa | |R: hehe je me suis juste trompe de chan.. | 17:27 |
| Khertan_VM | a bit more | 17:27 |
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| hexa | Khertan_VM: damm :( | 17:27 |
| Khertan_VM | dpkg: error processing base-files (--configure): gurk | 17:28 |
| |R | :) | 17:28 |
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| Disconnect | is there an sdk for OSX yet? | 17:33 |
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| zoran | yes, in apple headquoters | 17:35 |
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| lardman | I seem to remember having some troubles with "extern struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec", but can't remember what they were.... | 17:44 |
| Spakman_ | Khertan_VM: do you develop python-runtime for the tablets? | 17:47 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder if it's converting Uns into something other than what I expect - I can't see a header that would define that, but no compilation failure | 17:48 |
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| Khertan_VM | Spakman_: no i m just an user of python-runtime :) | 17:48 |
| Spakman_ | ah, OK. | 17:48 |
| kpel | hi all | 17:49 |
| Khertan_VM | Disconnect: yes if you use VMWare image | 17:49 |
| Disconnect | yah downloading that now. royal pita tho. | 17:49 |
| Khertan_VM | Spakman_: but i m trying to debug python hildondesktop binding | 17:50 |
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| Khertan_VM | is there a way to make a transparent gtk label ? | 18:09 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | is there ruby dev here ? | 18:18 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i m learning ruby... and i want know if there is a simple way to get method available for an object ? like 'dir()' in python ? | 18:19 |
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| Spakman_ | I'm not sure what dir() does, but my_object.methods will return the methods on an object | 18:21 |
| Spakman_ | but methods.sort might be nicer | 18:22 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | oh ... thanks | 18:24 |
| Khertan_TheReal | dir() in python list methods, properties of an object | 18:24 |
| Khertan_TheReal | thanks Spakman_ | 18:25 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | grrrr i don't know why my home applet disappear at random interval .... | 18:26 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | ouch ... just using my hildon desktop applet (which just show a gtk.label("test")) give me | 18:39 |
| Khertan_TheReal | 23 Mb consummed by hildon-desktop | 18:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | 6Mb/127Mb free | 18:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ouch | 18:40 |
| kulve | check the caches too.. | 18:40 |
| Khertan_TheReal | the caches ? | 18:40 |
| lardman | does top correctly report thread memory usage too? | 18:40 |
| kulve | I have 2gigs of mem on my desktop computer and most of it is in the cache.. | 18:40 |
| lardman | i.e. is shared thread memory is reported more than once? | 18:41 |
| kulve | Khertan_TheReal: I don't remember which tool showed the caches too, maybe top or free. That memory is also freeable is something needs it. | 18:41 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan_TheReal: Linux is not Windows. Linux uses all not used memory as filesystem cache. So free doesn't tell you much.. | 18:41 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | top and /proc/meminfo show it | 18:42 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but i vent see it ... not enough large screen :) | 18:42 |
| lardman | kulve: how familiar are you with gstreamer? | 18:42 |
| kulve | lardman: a bit, not and expret | 18:42 |
| kulve | expert | 18:42 |
| kulve | an | 18:42 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but still 23Mb for hildon-desktop ... not very small | 18:42 |
| kulve | Khertan_TheReal: that includes all the plugins in home, nav and status bar | 18:42 |
| fysa | any decent VNC client for chinook yet? | 18:43 |
| kulve | and if that includes parts of the libraries loaded in the memory.. | 18:43 |
| lardman | kulve: hmm, I was wondering what would be the best way to encapsulate the dsp task | 18:43 |
| Khertan_TheReal | pffff my plugin is really buggy ... hildon-desktop crash anytimes ! | 18:43 |
| kulve | Khertan_TheReal: i.e. The memory stuff is complicated, don't make hasty conclusions :) | 18:43 |
| kulve | lardman: encapsulate? | 18:44 |
| kulve | lardman: I'm now leaving to home, but I can comment after an hour more about the issue.. | 18:44 |
| lardman | atm it takes 2 arg input & output files | 18:44 |
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| lardman | ok, well i still have to figure out why my global's not working/fn pointer called fn doesn't return values, but was wondering whether to shift to shared mem rather than ipbuf that I'm using atm | 18:45 |
| lardman | I'll have a read of the gstreamer tremor wrapper and see what it uses | 18:45 |
| lardman | that sounds wrong, see what will fit sounds better | 18:45 |
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| Tak | IME top shows shared memory more than once | 18:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | IME ? | 18:50 |
| Tak | in my experience | 18:51 |
| skibur_ | ok, where can I submit a bug? | 18:51 |
| lardman | about top? | 18:52 |
| skibur_ | I was using "Notes" application with iGO bluetooth stowaway keyboard and it just crashed. | 18:52 |
| lardman | is Notes a built-in? | 18:52 |
| skibur_ | I was able to type about 5 lines and then it cashed with"Internal error occur in application" | 18:52 |
| lardman | if so use bugs.maemo.org | 18:52 |
| skibur_ | yes | 18:52 |
| skibur_ | ok thanks | 18:53 |
| lardman | can the fault be repeated? | 18:53 |
| skibur_ | restesting | 18:53 |
| skibur_ | retesting | 18:53 |
| skibur_ | ... | 18:53 |
| * Jaffa learnt to save often with Notes. | 18:53 | |
| Jaffa | Or, in fact, any data entry on any Maemo application. | 18:53 |
| lardman | Jaffa: does it output anything over dbus when if falls over? | 18:53 |
| dragorn | skibur_: I've had it crash before too using the 810 keyboard | 18:54 |
| * Jaffa can't remember checking, actually. A lot of these prejudices were based on OS2005, it seemed a lot better in OS2007 | 18:54 | |
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| lardman | I'm not sure i like these generic error messages, would be far better to see the gory details (make debugging easier anyway) | 18:55 |
| lardman | ah yes, i seem to remember that the loader logs failure reasons | 18:55 |
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| lardman | so they might be logged to syslog | 18:55 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | bye | 18:56 |
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| skibur_ | o ok | 18:57 |
| skibur_ | I'm using N800 - OS2008 | 18:57 |
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| skibur_ | must be a buffer or stack not big enough :/ | 18:57 |
| lardman | it might not like the words you type | 18:58 |
| lardman | could be anything with that message ;) | 18:58 |
| skibur_ | lol | 18:58 |
| lardman | you weren't typing "matrix" perchance...? ;) | 18:58 |
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| skibur_ | maybe spell check was like huh? Bomb... crashes! :P | 18:58 |
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| lardman | I'd be tempted to do that, embed a grammar checker and crash and burn everytime someone misused their/they're/there :) | 18:59 |
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| lardman | or insure/ensure for that matter ;) | 19:00 |
| skibur_ | or alot/a lot/allot | 19:00 |
| dragorn | skibur_: No, I wasn't typing a large document when it crashed for me | 19:00 |
| skibur_ | hum | 19:00 |
| skibur_ | I can't recreate it | 19:00 |
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| lardman | not really worth reporting as a bug then | 19:01 |
| dragorn | I had a vague suspicion that it was linked to multiple keystrokes in too short a time | 19:02 |
| dragorn | but couldn't recreate it either | 19:02 |
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| skibur_ | yeah | 19:04 |
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| skibur_ | hum... | 19:17 |
| skibur_ | no F1 - F12 keys on the iGO bluetooth stowaway keyboard? | 19:18 |
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| lardman | bye | 19:35 |
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| lopz | bye | 20:00 |
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| Khertan_n800 | Hi | 20:30 |
| Khertan_n800 | When i do a GLib::Timeout.add(2000) in my home applet in ruby | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n800 | Home-desktop crash when i unselect my applet | 20:31 |
| Tak | are you removing the timeout when you're cleaning up? | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n800 | No i dont know how to do this | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n800 | As i don t know when my applet instance is removed | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n800 | Is there a destroy methode called in ruby as initialize ? | 20:33 |
| elb | no | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n800 | Arg ... | 20:34 |
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| Khertan_n800 | How can i do so ? | 20:34 |
| elb | destroy things explicitly where you need a destructor | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n800 | (Irc in the subway !!!! YEAH :) ) | 20:35 |
| Tak | is there a doc for the ruby home applet api? | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n800 | I vent found it .... | 20:37 |
| Tak | it looks like the C api allows you to specify methods to be called on load and unload | 20:38 |
| Tak | I suspect the ruby api will allow you to do the same | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n800 | hum do u know the name in c ? | 20:39 |
| Tak | (I'm looking at http://tinyurl.com/22yu28 ) | 20:39 |
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| Tak | I suspect he's abstracted away the first three arguments into one | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n800 | I come back in 15 min ... | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n800 | Thanks | 20:40 |
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| khertan | re | 21:17 |
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| khertan | someone have already done home applet in ruby ? i need some help. | 21:49 |
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| lopz | re | 22:16 |
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| mariorz | would it be possible to rewrite the onscreen keyboard to remove some keys/make others bigger? | 22:18 |
| Tak | mariorz: the keyboards are defined by the .vkb files in /usr/share/keyboards - they're modifiable | 22:19 |
| mariorz | realllyy cool | 22:19 |
| Tak | the moderately bad news: they're in a (mostly known) binary format | 22:20 |
| mariorz | so how would one go about editing them? | 22:20 |
| Tak | you could use a hex editor, or you could use one of the existing tools to dump them to xml, then edit the xml | 22:21 |
| Tak | khertan: what arguments does register_plugin take? | 22:21 |
| mariorz | Tak: would you have any linkage by chance to this tools? | 22:22 |
| Tak | http://idoru.metadreams.net/~kimju/src/maemo/decode_vkb/ | 22:23 |
| mariorz | thanks | 22:24 |
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| Tak | also of use may be http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html | 22:25 |
| Tak | and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/26609 | 22:25 |
| mariorz | awesome, thanks :) | 22:26 |
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| * Tak implementing decode_vkb in ruby right now; the info is still fresh | 22:27 | |
| mariorz | really? could you share that? | 22:28 |
| mariorz | oh implementING | 22:28 |
| Tak | hehe, I will share it | 22:29 |
| mariorz | cool | 22:29 |
| Tak | the perl version works well, though - I'm only doing this so I don't have to add an extra dependency to my (ruby) project | 22:29 |
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| mariorz | whats your project? | 22:30 |
| Tak | a sdl-based virtual keyboard using rubygame | 22:30 |
| mariorz | sounds interesting | 22:32 |
| mariorz | how come rubygame? | 22:32 |
| Tak | because I'd just discovered rubygame and wanted to do something interesting with it | 22:33 |
| mariorz | nice | 22:33 |
| mariorz | i'd love to try it out when its ready | 22:33 |
| Tak | it's basically a library for rubygame devs to use to add keyboard input to their rubygame apps | 22:34 |
| mariorz | i see | 22:34 |
| Tak | I expect approximately zero people to use it | 22:34 |
| mariorz | lol | 22:35 |
| Tak | but it's there if anybody wants to | 22:35 |
| Tak | afaik it's the only vkb for an sdl-based toolkit | 22:35 |
| mariorz | wouldnt it also be less useful for the new devices? | 22:35 |
| mariorz | im on a n770 tough | 22:36 |
| Tak | for the n810s, I guess | 22:37 |
| Tak | although vkb still offers a layout flexibility that the hw kb doesn't | 22:38 |
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| khertan | tak > <Tak> khertan: what arguments does register_plugin take? | 22:51 |
| khertan | it s seem it s take only one arguments, a class | 22:51 |
| khertan | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/Examples/ruby_home_plugin.rb.txt | 22:52 |
| Tak | yeah, I saw the example - I was hoping it took a few optional method arguments | 22:52 |
| maddler | evening all | 22:56 |
| khertan | passing argument doesn't raise error | 22:58 |
| khertan | but doesn't seem to do anything | 22:58 |
| Tak | hm. | 23:00 |
| Tak | I'll look at the source later, if I get a chance | 23:00 |
| Tak | obviously if alterego were around, he could answer in 47ms | 23:01 |
| khertan | maybe less :) | 23:03 |
| khertan | but haven't see him today ... | 23:04 |
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| khertan | i'm trying to look at the source too but my wife keep disturbing me ... | 23:04 |
| Tak | haha | 23:05 |
| Tak | women, always wanting you to do stuff with them instead of sit around and code ;-P | 23:06 |
| khertan | always the same things ... | 23:06 |
| khertan | and many times useless things | 23:06 |
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| khertan | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/modest-chinook.install | 23:11 |
| pupnik_ | http://webilus.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/multi-ecrans.jpg Nice music studio - multiscreen | 23:11 |
| Vulcanis | I love how it has the crappy mouse and KB with those screens | 23:12 |
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| disq | looking for an up to date mencoder binary for macosx | 23:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | disq, I stole the one from ffmpegx. | 23:46 |
| disq | i'm using darwinports to build one right now | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was broken when I tried about two months ago. | 23:47 |
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| disq | yes, that worked better | 23:56 |
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