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| Iogann | Hi everyone! Is 4.0 version already availiable for n800 ? | 01:28 |
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| lardman | evening | 01:38 |
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| lardman | derf: I don't suppose you're about to answer some questions about why ogg_sync_pageseek() frees an empty ogg_page that is passed to it? | 01:40 |
| derf | lardman: I'm about but pretty distracted at the moment. | 01:41 |
| lardman | derf: ok, I'll have a look through and hit you with some questions tomorrow :) | 01:41 |
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| Vulc|Bleh | What essential applications should be gotten for os08? | 01:43 |
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| lardman | night all | 01:54 |
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| skibur_ | hum... | 01:56 |
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| skibur_ | was the new OS2008 going to be release on DEC 15? | 01:57 |
| skibur_ | I remember read that on the Nokia site | 01:57 |
| |R | same day as discount codes get activated? | 01:58 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 02:36 |
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| procto | http://www.mockingeye.com/index.php/2007/12/12/introducing-gargoyle-the-geospatial-web-in-your-pocket/ | 02:46 |
| procto | just finished hacking together the prototype | 02:46 |
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| procto | tested on an N800 | 02:46 |
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| skibur_ | procto | 02:51 |
| skibur_ | what gps do you have? | 02:52 |
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| skibur_ | official nokia brand or 3rd bluetooth device? | 02:52 |
| procto | nokia brand | 02:52 |
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| procto | got it for something really cheap on ebay :> | 02:52 |
| procto | skibur_: why? | 02:52 |
| skibur_ | thinking of buying one | 02:52 |
| skibur_ | I just bought a iGO stowaway bluetooth keyboard | 02:53 |
| skibur_ | its very nice | 02:53 |
| skibur_ | Going all out by buying a GPS for my Noki! | 02:53 |
| procto | hehe yah | 02:54 |
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| procto | I gane that kb, too | 02:54 |
| procto | have* | 02:54 |
| procto | with OS2008 supporting headset profile by default gargoyle finally became viable | 02:54 |
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| procto | imagine walking around, an your nokia whispering to you about your surroundings | 02:54 |
| skibur_ | nice | 02:56 |
| skibur_ | I'm all about knowing what is around me | 02:57 |
| |R | procto : gargoyle eh? ;) | 02:57 |
| skibur_ | location, places, wifi ready, bluetooth ready | 02:57 |
| * |R wish mesh networks + sensor networks + social networks could merge >:] | 02:57 | |
| skibur_ | ... | 02:57 |
| skibur_ | A walking "RED dot" | 02:57 |
| skibur_ | looking for a cheap bluetooth GPS receiver | 02:58 |
| |R | Cheap/Small: Holux M1200 ... a bit less cheap/small but recommended often: i-blue 737 | 03:00 |
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| skibur_ | thanks | 03:07 |
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| procto | |R: yup :> | 03:14 |
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| skibur_ | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&_trksid=m37&satitle=Holux+M1200&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1 | 03:26 |
| skibur_ | nice price shipping is NUTS! | 03:26 |
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| |R | i got it from the 24.95 shipping guy | 03:28 |
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| skibur_ | nice | 03:44 |
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| |R | thoughtfix : seems like most of your readers are avid linux users :-) | 06:18 |
| thoughtfix | I haven't looked at the poll since it was posted | 06:18 |
| thoughtfix | Too busy spanking Bowser and compiling on my EeePC | 06:18 |
| |R | I'm surprised, worstations/laptops is leading! | 06:18 |
| thoughtfix | Wow ... me too | 06:19 |
| thoughtfix | Until the 770, my Linux work was server-only | 06:19 |
| |R | I like the checking polls, no ambiguous answers needed ;) | 06:20 |
| |R | (checked all "yes" answers this time) | 06:20 |
| thoughtfix | Except no? | 06:20 |
| thoughtfix | hehehehe | 06:20 |
| |R | hehe :) | 06:21 |
| thoughtfix | Gah | 06:21 |
| thoughtfix | Adsense is sucking this month | 06:21 |
| |R | oh? | 06:21 |
| thoughtfix | $2.05/day average | 06:21 |
| |R | what's the record? | 06:21 |
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| thoughtfix | For Adsense for a day? $15 | 06:21 |
| thoughtfix | November got $104.40 | 06:22 |
| |R | Never played with adsense, it's just a javascript you add? | 06:22 |
| Vulc|Bleh | its free money, stop complaining | 06:22 |
| thoughtfix | Trying to pay down the credit card after the N810 giveaway so I have money for CES. | 06:22 |
| thoughtfix | Heh | 06:22 |
| thoughtfix | Every dime from the ads go back to the blog in one form or another. | 06:23 |
| thoughtfix | As soon as I get to a "profit" side, I'll just do more give-aways. | 06:23 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Which blog? I'm new to this. | 06:23 |
| |R | an n810 a day keep the windows away? :P | 06:23 |
| thoughtfix | vulc: tabletblog | 06:24 |
| Vulc|Bleh | Ah. | 06:24 |
| thoughtfix | Hahaha | 06:24 |
| thoughtfix | If I could afford to give away an N810 per day... | 06:24 |
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| thoughtfix | That's over $150,000/yr in ad revenue alone. No - I don't think I could give away one per day. | 06:25 |
| thoughtfix | I am shooting for two big give-aways per year and then little ones scattered when I get the chance | 06:25 |
| thoughtfix | All depends on keeping traffic up - which depends on having interesting things to write - which depends on the developers | 06:26 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 06:26 |
| |R | :) | 06:26 |
| |R | pretty fun ecosystem | 06:26 |
| thoughtfix | Well | 06:27 |
| thoughtfix | The developers make good stuff | 06:27 |
| thoughtfix | and I like playing with it, writing about it, and sharing it with others | 06:28 |
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| thoughtfix | If eventually writing becomes my career - so much the better. | 06:30 |
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| thoughtfix | But a VERY small percentage of independent journalists can survive on that writing alone | 06:30 |
| |R | yeah, I'd like to do that too one day... | 06:31 |
| |R | You're a sys admin by day? | 06:31 |
| thoughtfix | Yeah. I'm now the linux guru for a hospice care company | 06:32 |
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| thoughtfix | Just started this gig 3 weeks ago after 5.5 years at my previous evil employer | 06:32 |
| |R | haha what happened? | 06:33 |
| thoughtfix | I finally quit | 06:33 |
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| thoughtfix | I describe their employee treatment as "assrapery" | 06:34 |
| |R | hehe, sounds like !fun :P | 06:35 |
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| thoughtfix | As much fun as getting hit in the head with a small lemon - wrapped in a large gold brick | 06:35 |
| thoughtfix | Ack | 06:35 |
| thoughtfix | Parallels updater wants me to reboot | 06:36 |
| |R | ahh... rebooots... | 06:36 |
| unique311 | tthoughtfix, when you find an employer that actually treats employees nicely please blog about it. doubt it will be in this lifetime. | 06:36 |
| thoughtfix | unique311: My new employer is VERY good to the employees | 06:36 |
| thoughtfix | But then | 06:36 |
| thoughtfix | it's a hospice company | 06:37 |
| thoughtfix | they're all tightly-knit - even those who don't work with patients | 06:37 |
| skibur_ | omg Thoughtfix!!! | 06:37 |
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| skibur_ | my hero!!! | 06:37 |
| skibur_ | :P | 06:37 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:37 |
| thoughtfix | omg skibur_ ! | 06:37 |
| skibur_ | jk | 06:37 |
| unique311 | hero status | 06:37 |
| skibur_ | your the man | 06:37 |
| thoughtfix | naw | 06:37 |
| thoughtfix | as we were discussing before | 06:37 |
| thoughtfix | The developers are the "men" (and "women") | 06:37 |
| skibur_ | thanks | 06:38 |
| thoughtfix | I just report on what I find | 06:38 |
| unique311 | women...point them out 0_0 | 06:38 |
| skibur_ | I've been working with DSLinux - Linux on the Nintendo DS | 06:38 |
| thoughtfix | um | 06:38 |
| thoughtfix | There are several women in the maemo development team | 06:38 |
| |R | hehe O_o | 06:38 |
| |R | at nokia? | 06:38 |
| skibur_ | ? | 06:38 |
| unique311 | devs in general | 06:39 |
| skibur_ | hum... wonder why my handle has a "_" | 06:39 |
| unique311 | ghost your original | 06:39 |
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| thoughtfix | http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/team_urho.xhtml#top | 06:40 |
| thoughtfix | Two women there | 06:40 |
| |R | that's good to hear | 06:40 |
| unique311 | promotions | 06:40 |
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| skibur | ok | 06:41 |
| skibur | yeah | 06:41 |
| skibur | it was the Ghost | 06:41 |
| skibur | did I miss something? | 06:41 |
| thoughtfix | Yes | 06:41 |
| skibur | crap :/ | 06:42 |
| unique311 | thoughtfix, pointed out 2 women developers for nok | 06:42 |
| skibur | aww yes... women developers | 06:42 |
| thoughtfix | We had a dozen models, two kegs, and Chumby | 06:42 |
| skibur | I read that women are kick butt in programming | 06:42 |
| |R | so nokia is actually paying people to blog? or that's just a thing they also have to do? :P | 06:42 |
| unique311 | thoughtfix, you usually very active on the irc when something good is about to happen.... | 06:44 |
| unique311 | so what should we be expecting? | 06:44 |
| skibur | lol | 06:44 |
| thoughtfix | um | 06:44 |
| thoughtfix | let me check | 06:44 |
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| skibur | OS2008 with drivers!!! | 06:44 |
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| unique311 | canola on the 14 | 06:44 |
| |R | drivers? :) | 06:44 |
| unique311 | im guessing 08 also | 06:44 |
| |R | developer discounts! | 06:45 |
| thoughtfix | Hey I am not psychic! | 06:45 |
| skibur | multi desktop | 06:45 |
| unique311 | something. | 06:45 |
| unique311 | throw us regular folks a bone | 06:45 |
| skibur | thinking of whipping up Wiimote support to play nes game on my n800 | 06:45 |
| thoughtfix | This is a good one (just saw it on planet maemo) | 06:45 |
| thoughtfix | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ | 06:45 |
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| |R | indeed | 06:46 |
| |R | :D | 06:46 |
| thoughtfix | No new tablets on the FCC site | 06:46 |
| unique311 | don't addons slow down the browser on the IT | 06:46 |
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| thoughtfix | An ad blocker will no doubt speed it up for most users | 06:46 |
| thoughtfix | hehe | 06:46 |
| skibur | http://www.engineer.tamuk.edu/CLeung/index.htm | 06:46 |
| jacques | I just want adblock | 06:46 |
| |R | n820 comming out in a week with 3 full sized SDHC? haha ;) | 06:47 |
| skibur | anybody have trouble clicking on these links? | 06:47 |
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| thoughtfix | Well if there IS a new tablet | 06:47 |
| thoughtfix | it's not on the FCC site | 06:47 |
| |R | skibur : links? | 06:47 |
| Vulc|Bleh | [23:47:03] <|R> n820 comming out in a week with 3 full sized SDHC? haha ;) -- nah, laptop SATA bay for 128gb SSDs | 06:47 |
| thoughtfix | I am told that a WiMax tablet does exist somewhere.... Like ... ONE of them ... and it can't be used yet since there's no network ... | 06:47 |
| skibur | yeah | 06:48 |
| skibur | http://www.engineer.tamuk.edu/CLeung/index.htm | 06:48 |
| |R | skibur : it's an image? | 06:48 |
| skibur | is it? | 06:48 |
| skibur | hum... | 06:48 |
| |R | yeah, right click it ;) | 06:48 |
| skibur | that is strange, because I can with IE 7 | 06:48 |
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| |R | oh yes, a mshtml page... | 06:49 |
| |R | (view source is a big binary blob M$ style... bleh) | 06:49 |
| thoughtfix | Oooh here's some good news | 06:49 |
| thoughtfix | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071213/bs_nm/nokia_qualcomm_itc_dc | 06:49 |
| thoughtfix | Nokia wins! | 06:49 |
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| skibur | o ok | 06:50 |
| |R | i wish they had lost on the ogg thingie though... | 06:50 |
| skibur | I'm done with my Finals so I can work on a project | 06:50 |
| unique311 | give me some news about opengl, or flash for the device being able to access the camera. | 06:50 |
| * |R 's waiting for the n810 to get here i don't know how and for OLSR-PAA to release it's plugin so i can start porting / testing it | 06:51 | |
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| thoughtfix | I too am N810-less | 06:53 |
| * cesman thinks good news would be official suport for ogg... | 06:53 | |
| unique311 | satisfied with my n800 running 2008. | 06:53 |
| dragorn | unique311: No gl, flash seems a little quicker | 06:54 |
| unique311 | could care less bout gps or keyboard, didn't have use for it on the n800. | 06:54 |
| dragorn | afaik the 810 is basically an 800 with a gps | 06:54 |
| unique311 | keyboard | 06:55 |
| dragorn | and os2008 upclocks the cpu to 400. Does that on the 800, too. | 06:55 |
| |R | same thing yeah, +kbd+gps+led/light censor-fullSD | 06:55 |
| unique311 | don't forget the keyboard | 06:55 |
| dragorn | well, yes, and the keyboard. But there isn't anything fundamentally different about the cpu, graphics, etc. | 06:55 |
| dragorn | Personally, the keyboard makes all the difference to me | 06:55 |
| dragorn | I'm very happy with the 810. I'd be a lot happier if there was 3d, faster processing, etc. | 06:55 |
| |R | while travelling i think the n810 will be better than the stowaway keyboard for quick messages... | 06:56 |
| |R | not that much when chatting a lot or working though... | 06:56 |
| thoughtfix | Yeah... I miss the N810 already | 06:56 |
| thoughtfix | My first alarm clock to go off is on the tablet | 06:56 |
| |R | haha _first_ :) | 06:56 |
| thoughtfix | and if I wake to the first alarm (about 1/3 of the time) I lie in bed a bit longer but check my Email | 06:56 |
| thoughtfix | Dude | 06:56 |
| thoughtfix | When you drink as much coffee as I do - waking up is hard | 06:56 |
| |R | Oh! So that's how it works! | 06:57 |
| |R | (i don't drink coffee, it'd kill me ;) | 06:57 |
| thoughtfix | That which does not kill you makes you stronger. | 06:58 |
| thoughtfix | Except maybe dismemberment | 06:58 |
| thoughtfix | or herpes | 06:58 |
| unique311 | model diet, 8 shots of expresso, and lots of nicotine. | 06:58 |
| thoughtfix | Speaking of... | 06:58 |
| thoughtfix | BRB: smoke | 06:58 |
| thoughtfix | Actually I want to quit | 06:59 |
| thoughtfix | but I'm just not "ready" | 06:59 |
| dragorn | ugh making deb pkgs gives me a headache | 06:59 |
| unique311 | don't be a quitter. | 06:59 |
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| thoughtfix | dragorn: What are you packaging? | 06:59 |
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| dragorn | thoughtfix: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg | 07:00 |
| thoughtfix | Oh sweet | 07:00 |
| thoughtfix | time to buy a WiSpy then | 07:00 |
| dragorn | later, kismet, once I get it talking to navcore gps | 07:00 |
| thoughtfix | How much do they run? | 07:00 |
| dragorn | $400 for the wispy2 I think | 07:00 |
| thoughtfix | :( | 07:00 |
| thoughtfix | Time to beg for a review sample loaner ... can you Email me when the software is ready? | 07:01 |
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| jacques | what's a wispy? | 07:05 |
| jacques | sounds interesting | 07:05 |
| jacques | hardware wifi scanner? | 07:05 |
| dragorn | spectrum analyzer | 07:05 |
| dragorn | not wifi-centric | 07:06 |
| jacques | oooh sweeet | 07:06 |
| jacques | what's the freq range? | 07:07 |
| dragorn | 2400-2484, currently. (2.4 ISM band). Others to come, I'm sure | 07:07 |
| jacques | ah ok | 07:07 |
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| skibur | wow | 07:08 |
| skibur | that cool | 07:08 |
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| thoughtfix | helloooooo netsplit | 07:14 |
| straind` | helloooooo thoughtfix | 07:15 |
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| jacques | welcome to freenode :-\ | 07:17 |
| unique311 | think its fair to elimate analog? I know alot of people who still don't have cable tv. | 07:17 |
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| |R | i don't have cable, and i don't want cable (for anything else than ipv[46] at least...) | 07:22 |
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| thoughtfix | Damn it | 07:33 |
| skibur | http://users.tamuk.edu/ksjas29/images/screenshot00.png | 07:33 |
| thoughtfix | crying now :( | 07:33 |
| skibur | my handle | 07:33 |
| skibur | I used gimp | 07:33 |
| thoughtfix | Listening to James Kendrick's eulogy of Marc Orchant | 07:33 |
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| thoughtfix | http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/12/farewell-marc-m.html | 07:37 |
| thoughtfix | re: crying | 07:37 |
| thoughtfix | grr | 07:37 |
| thoughtfix | Mobile tech blogging is young | 07:38 |
| thoughtfix | and Marc Orchant is a big loss to us all | 07:38 |
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| |R | /clear | 07:49 |
| |R | oops | 07:49 |
| thoughtfix | Did something embarrassing there? | 07:49 |
| |R | i keep screwing my /clear ;) | 07:50 |
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| |R | (i like my screen empty so i can spot activity ;) | 07:50 |
| skibur | Who was Marc ? | 07:51 |
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| thoughtfix | Hi there | 08:12 |
| t_s_o | hi | 08:12 |
| t_s_o | small world | 08:12 |
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| thoughtfix | Oh? | 08:13 |
| t_s_o | heh, didnt you call chippy on skype during one of his "braodcasts"? | 08:15 |
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| thoughtfix | Yes | 08:18 |
| thoughtfix | Steve's a friend :) | 08:18 |
| t_s_o | ah :) | 08:19 |
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| steri | morning | 08:43 |
| johnx | mornin' | 08:44 |
| steri | I'm not the first one to ask this but does anyone know mirror for canola2? :D that site is bit jammed | 08:45 |
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| |R | steri : sorry to break the news, but i think it's delayed :| | 08:51 |
| steri | oh really :/ | 08:56 |
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| steri | damn, now I finally got that frontpage open and it is delayed :( | 09:21 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! | 09:55 |
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| jkyro | hi, anybody know of mplayer for 2008 | 10:19 |
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| solmumaha | jkyro: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 | 10:20 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 10:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s available in extras-devel repository | 10:23 |
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| * Jaffa 's managed to get hold of an N810 before the discount codes are active. It's very shiny (but not in a gross, chrome way like the N800) | 10:57 | |
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| * doc|home pats his n800 | 10:58 | |
| doc|home | it's ok, he didn't mean it | 10:58 |
| Jaffa | :) | 10:58 |
| Jaffa | It feels very thin. The keyboard's a bit stiff and it's quite heavy in the hand. | 10:59 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm sold already ;) | 11:11 |
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| rothiel | Hello World :) | 11:28 |
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| maddler | morning | 11:33 |
| pupnik_ | the jolly ~candylike~ N810! | 11:34 |
| * flip^ wants a N810 :( | 11:42 | |
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| * jeddy3 doesn't understand why many ppl thinks n800 is ugly...am I the only one that thinks it looks _really_ great IRL | 11:44 | |
| pupnik_ | duno | 11:47 |
| pupnik_ | i doubt many people think it's *ugly* | 11:50 |
| maddler | true... | 11:50 |
| maddler | all the ppl I met have always agreed it's pretty nice... | 11:50 |
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| jeddy3 | yeah thats true, people ive shown it to, nerds and non nerds, are all impressed | 11:52 |
| jeddy3 | but according to reviews, the impression i got was that people thinks it doesn't look good...and also that software is slow :P | 11:52 |
| maddler | slow? :O | 11:53 |
| maddler | btw... OS2008 is damn fast! | 11:53 |
| jeddy3 | yeah i know!? the looking part is more subjective, but how can people think it's _slow_? | 11:53 |
| jeddy3 | have they even tried using windows mobile?? :P | 11:54 |
| maddler | what mobile? ;) | 11:54 |
| jeddy3 | windows mobile OS ;) | 11:54 |
| maddler | no need for windows when you are outside... :D | 11:54 |
| jeddy3 | :D | 11:55 |
| maddler | while windows keeps closing... Linux is open! ;) | 11:55 |
| jeddy3 | ...so that was a positive suprise for me, even os2007 is really fast IMHO | 11:55 |
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| * jeddy3 is bummed about canola delay, but understands the dilemma | 11:58 | |
| maddler | ehhh... | 11:59 |
| maddler | the wait is worth the result... :D | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | jeddy3: Managers and lawyers, always a pain ;) | 11:59 |
| jeddy3 | true | 12:00 |
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| maddler | X-Fade: could you imagine a manager who is a lawyer too? | 12:20 |
| maddler | OMFG! | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | heh ;) | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Any news on Vagalume? :D | 12:21 |
| _berto_ | X-Fade: yeah, new release today or tomorrow | 12:21 |
| _berto_ | :) | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: I wonder if it would be a nice feature to have the screen light up at the beginning of a track. This way you can easily see what track just started (When playin in radio mode) | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | As option ofcourse.. | 12:22 |
| _berto_ | could be a good idea :) | 12:23 |
| _berto_ | i'm a bit busy now, i'll come back later | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | No worries :) | 12:23 |
| _berto_ | solmumaha: are you there? | 12:24 |
| solmumaha | yes | 12:27 |
| * Jaffa was a little disappointed to find no Canola 2 to install this morning | 12:27 | |
| _berto_ | i'll need someone to test it in the 770, if you can of course :) | 12:28 |
| solmumaha | Jaffa: want something to do in the meantime? | 12:28 |
| solmumaha | sure, soon as i get home | 12:28 |
| maddler | Jaffa: ehhhh... | 12:29 |
| maddler | something wrong with planet.maemo.org | 12:29 |
| maddler | feed and and web page are out of sync | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | maddler: Hmm indeed, let me take a look.. | 12:30 |
| maddler | anyone installed Modest beta? | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | maddler: Sure, have been using it for weeks now.. | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | maddler: Although it got a lot more stable the last week.. | 12:33 |
| maddler | it looks like it keeps automatically downloading emails even if I told to not do so... | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | Only the headers of the mails? | 12:34 |
| maddler | not a big problem... if it wasn't that I get a few hundreds email per day ;) | 12:34 |
| maddler | headers... I'm using IMAP | 12:34 |
| inz | X-Fade, maybe it could morse it on the led instead, no need to turn on the display ;) | 12:34 |
| sergio_ | maddler there is an option in tools->settings | 12:35 |
| sergio_ | to auto-retrieve mails every x minutes | 12:35 |
| maddler | ? | 12:35 |
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| X-Fade | inz: Nah, I think that decoding morse code will take more time.. Clicking on the screen is faster ;) | 12:36 |
| inz | X-Fade, decoding morse is lightning fast — if you happend to have teh skillz(0rz) | 12:37 |
| inz | X-Fade, it would be really useful for the 0.0001% of population (me not included) | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | inz: Sure ;) | 12:38 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:46 |
| hahlo | what distribution you recomend for maemo apps development? | 12:47 |
| tsavola | ubuntu gnu/debian | 12:48 |
| tsavola | debian gnu/ubuntu | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | hahlo: Or just use the maemo vmware image. | 12:48 |
| hahlo | does debian have crosscompilation tools? | 12:49 |
| tsavola | emdebian does, but in the case of maemo you use scratchbox | 12:50 |
| tsavola | which has the relevant cross compiler | 12:50 |
| hahlo | and you can get it with apt-get? | 12:51 |
| tsavola | see maemo.org | 12:51 |
| suihkulokki | inz: hmm.. someone write a morse input method for the tablet? :) | 12:51 |
| tsavola | (you can get scratchbox via apt-get) | 12:51 |
| tsavola | (from scratchbox.org) | 12:52 |
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| inz | suihkulokki, mmh, that would be really useful for the same user group ;) | 12:52 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: sure, how can I help? | 12:52 |
| hahlo | ok, good (just remembering how hard was get build-environment for familiar) | 12:53 |
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| hahlo | had to do qemu-hacks for omap and such shit | 12:55 |
| tsavola | microsoft word - write qemu hacks and shit, yo! | 12:56 |
| tsavola | or maybe the that should be: texas instruments omap - write qemu hacks and shit, yo! | 12:56 |
| hahlo | yes ti sucks | 12:57 |
| tsavola | but then no-one will get the classic irc url reference | 12:57 |
| tsavola | i just came up with a related joke, unfortunately works only in finnish: omap on ongelmas | 12:58 |
| tsavola | translation: "it's your problem" | 12:58 |
| solmumaha | Jaffa: interested on trying to get mediatomb to work with tablet-encode? | 12:58 |
| hahlo | but nice to hear that maemo is easier :) | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: definitely. meeting now, though | 12:58 |
| tsavola | hahlo: don't rejoice yet | 12:59 |
| Jaffa | bbl | 12:59 |
| inz | tsavola, "omap onp ongelmas" sounds better to me, but whatever | 12:59 |
| hahlo | that one can build os images or apps if like | 12:59 |
| solmumaha | Jaffa: k, i'll pm you | 12:59 |
| tsavola | inz: you can send a patch | 13:00 |
| tsavola | (i guess you just did) | 13:00 |
| inz | tsavola, a patch to a oneliner -- that's way smart ;) | 13:02 |
| hahlo | omap ipaqs had encrypted bootloaders and such... | 13:03 |
| Spakman_ | it seems that the centre button the dpad doesn't bring up the thumb keyboard for GTK dialog boxes, it exits the box. What should I use instead so that the thumb keyboard works in 2008? | 13:04 |
| Spakman_ | BTW, this is for a little pop-up window/dialog asking for search terms | 13:04 |
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| wplayya | hi | 13:09 |
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| wplayya | accepts start-stop-daemon --userr user on the n800? | 13:11 |
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| Spakman_ | Can anyone help with my strange .service/.desktop problem? If I have an X-Osso-Service line in my .desktop file and try to launch the app, the whole GUI crashes and restarts (before even tring to launch my app). Any ideas? | 13:46 |
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| Spakman_ | do I need to do anything other than create a .service file to register my app with dbus? | 14:17 |
| inz | Spakman, the application should call osso_initialize() or dbus_bus_request_name() (or binding specific similar function) | 14:21 |
| Spakman_ | inz: thanks, but when I specify a service in my desktop file, my entire desktop crashes and restarts before even calling my app | 14:24 |
| Spakman_ | any thoughts on that? | 14:26 |
| inz | Spak, never heard of such thing... | 14:28 |
| inz | Spak, maybe your service name has invalid characters and the desktop dies when dbus asserts blablabla_is_valid_service_name or something | 14:29 |
| Spakman_ | ah, I do have a hyphen... | 14:29 |
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| inz | I think it should be allowed, but quite sure | 14:30 |
| inz | Do you have extra whitespace in the .desktop? | 14:31 |
| Spakman_ | inz: removing the hyphen stopped my GUI restarting! | 14:33 |
| Spakman_ | My app doesn't actually start, but I'm definitely closer - thanks. | 14:33 |
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| pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=38155&st=4440 finally i get the gp2x guys looking into maemo | 14:36 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: as an OS for the gp2x? | 14:39 |
| pupnik | for the successor which will feature 800x480 and omap3430 | 14:41 |
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| Jaffa | And cost a gazillion dollars from the look of that thread, doesn't sound like it'll be mass produced. | 14:41 |
| pupnik | should be in the n810 range | 14:42 |
| lopz | hola | 14:43 |
| pupnik | hi lopz | 14:43 |
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| * alterego has a nice new computer with pretty compiz effects and KVM virtualization :D | 14:47 | |
| alterego | I'm so happy ^_^ | 14:47 |
| Veggen | need to get something that is nice for that soon, too. I'd like to play with virtualization, more. | 14:47 |
| inz | alterego, now you can spend your time watching your windows wobble and desktops spin instead of doing something useful | 14:49 |
| alterego | inz, yeah. It's kind of like interacting with some 90's pop music channel ^_^ | 14:49 |
| alterego | I keep expecting to see that head guy pop up .. | 14:50 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego: I'm trying to initialise libosso in my ruby-maemo app, like so: OSSO.initialize "myapp", "0.1.0", but it throws an OSSO::InitError "Failed to initialize LibOSSO library.". What does this mean or what can I do to debug it more? | 14:53 |
| alterego | Spakman_, are you using 'run_standalone.sh' ? | 14:54 |
| Spakman_ | no, this is on the device | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, my N810 doesn't like my 6GB Sandisk MicroSDHC card in a MiniSD adapter. But I'm not sure it's inserted properly. | 14:56 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: ah, that does sort it - thanks a lot! | 14:56 |
| alterego | Spakman_, only on command line. If you're running it from the applications menu you'll have to add the service lines and the service file. | 14:57 |
| pupnik | Jaffa: i haven't found many micro-minisd adapters - did you order yours seperately? | 14:58 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, my Micro card came with a USB2 reader and a full-size SD adapter, so spent another quid or so on a Mini adapter | 14:58 |
| * Tak wobbles some windows | 14:59 | |
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| Tak | hmm - I was going to ask pupnik something | 15:00 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: is it enough to have the desktop/service file point to a shell script that runs my app through run-standalone? | 15:01 |
| inz | Spak, you shouldn't need run-standalone when launching via GUI | 15:02 |
| alterego | You don't need run-standalone.sh when using .desktop and .service files. | 15:02 |
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| Spakman_ | hmm, without it I get the init exception thrown | 15:02 |
| Spakman_ | (when using desktop/service files) | 15:03 |
| Tak | aha! pupnik: do you have an opinion about gbc emulators? | 15:03 |
| inz | Spak, when launching from the menu? | 15:03 |
| unique311 | i have one. tak | 15:03 |
| unique311 | why, you have a gba emulator. | 15:04 |
| inz | Spak, the GUI apps (and dbus-daemon) are "already run with run-standalone", which is mostly just exports, so any child of their will inherit everything | 15:04 |
| unique311 | no need for a gbc | 15:04 |
| Tak | well...the gba emulator is extremely slow | 15:05 |
| Tak | some people on ITT were playing with gambatte, a gbc emu | 15:05 |
| unique311 | these people do know that desmume compiled for the n800, right. | 15:07 |
| pupnik | Tak no | 15:07 |
| pupnik | Can't enjoy gbc games, too low res | 15:08 |
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| unique311 | i think i ran a couple of homebrews on the desmume emulator. | 15:08 |
| unique311 | if they wan't to spend time on gambatte, they should really be working on something worth while like desmume. | 15:09 |
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| unique311 | tak you have a link to the thread | 15:09 |
| Spakman_ | inz: hmm, I still get OSSI initialisation problems when I don't use run-standalone.sh and lauching from the GUI | 15:10 |
| tsavola | ossi? | 15:10 |
| Spakman_ | s/ossi/osso/ :) | 15:11 |
| Tak | unique311: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4573 | 15:11 |
| unique311 | thanks | 15:11 |
| Tak | heh, it's worth mentioning that because something compiles for the n800 doesn't mean it's usable on the device ;-) | 15:12 |
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| unique311 | i used desmume on the device. | 15:14 |
| unique311 | just didn't think it was worth putting it out there. screen size turn me off from doing so. lets just say that desmume screen area made garnet vm screen area look very big. | 15:17 |
| Tak | was the speed ok? | 15:20 |
| alterego | Grrr .. Call out. Later folks. | 15:21 |
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| Tak | heh, if a ds emulator is speedy on the device, vba did something very wrong | 15:21 |
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| unique311 | yes. had to remove gl stuff from the source. | 15:22 |
| inz | Spak, that sounds really weird... | 15:22 |
| unique311 | but then again the stuff i ran where homebrew. | 15:23 |
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| Tak | wow, my network is screwed today - I can't even hit wikipedia | 15:39 |
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| aruiz | hi there | 16:54 |
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| aruiz | I can't flash my N800 using ubuntu and flasher-3.0 | 16:54 |
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| lardman | kulve: you about? | 16:54 |
| aruiz | it doesn't detects the usb device | 16:54 |
| aruiz | and the perl script shown in the maemo wiki doesn't work either | 16:54 |
| lardman | aruiz: you're not flashing through a hub? | 16:54 |
| aruiz | nope | 16:55 |
| aruiz | right into the motherboards usb input | 16:55 |
| lardman | does your pc have an inbuilt hub? | 16:55 |
| lardman | some do | 16:55 |
| aruiz | nope | 16:55 |
| lardman | no idea then, sorry | 16:55 |
| aruiz | lardman, I have tried in different usb ports already | 16:55 |
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| lardman | you're getting the n800 into the right mode I take it? | 16:55 |
| aruiz | with the home button and so? | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | aruiz: perl -pi -e 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-;' -i.backup <flasher> | 16:56 |
| lardman | unplug from power, switch off, plug in usb and start flasher, plug in power | 16:56 |
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| aruiz | lardman, yes | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | aruiz: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage scroll down to "Old Flasher utility on Ubuntu Gutsy, FC5 and other OS's with kernel 2.6.15 or better" | 16:56 |
| lardman | of try 0xFFFF | 16:56 |
| lardman | s/of/or | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | aruiz: It has to do with usbfs not in your kernel.. | 16:57 |
| aruiz | oh | 16:57 |
| lardman | ahhh :) | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | aruiz: That perl string patches your flasher ;) | 16:57 |
| aruiz | X-Fade, thanks | 16:58 |
| aruiz | may I put flasher-3.0 where <flasher> is? | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | aruiz: you might want to translate the html encoded quotes ;) | 16:59 |
| aruiz | X-Fade, I was guessing so.... | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | yep | 16:59 |
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| aruiz | that would be 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-' ? | 17:02 |
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| X-Fade | aruiz: Hmm that doesn't work with 3.0 anymore.. | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | aruiz: strings doesn't reveal that string anymore.. | 17:05 |
| aruiz | X-Fade, :/ | 17:05 |
| aruiz | X-Fade, what should I do then? | 17:05 |
| * lardman has found his ogg_buffers filled with zeros | 17:06 | |
| Tak | sorry, that was me | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | aruiz: Must be something else then :( | 17:06 |
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| lardman | Tak: please give the real data back, especially that magic Oggs at the start! | 17:06 |
| lardman | otherwise I'll just see if I can track down why the data doesn't written to the right place | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Makes sense why it reported 0 bytes read ;) | 17:08 |
| lardman | yeah, the byte-reading code works :) | 17:08 |
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| lardman | and in doing this (sending data back) I've fixed another bug I'd not seen yet (writing to the file on the arm-side), so it's been beneficial, sort of :) | 17:09 |
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| johnnynokia | is it just me or is there no keyboard shortcut to open the apps menu, on the 810. I'm not referring to the per application menu, but the menu that lets you choose between all your programs whatever the correct name of it is.. Rather surprised if so, it's something one hits quite a bit. | 17:22 |
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| Tak | no "home" key? | 17:23 |
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| johnnynokia | that minimizes any current apps to show you the desktop yeh, but doesn't bring up the applications menu ... | 17:26 |
| dragorn | it's a little clunky, but you can go left from the task switcher | 17:27 |
| dragorn | and up to the other menus | 17:27 |
| johnnynokia | ahhhh thank you! | 17:27 |
| johnnynokia | hadn't thought of it | 17:27 |
| dragorn | also i bet you could xmodmap a home button in somewhere | 17:27 |
| johnnynokia | yep that works, clunky is okay, it beats having to take hands off keyboard | 17:28 |
| dragorn | since I think all the hw buttons just generate x kb events | 17:28 |
| johnnynokia | oh good yeh i was musing about that, really hard at least not having tab and pipe commands on keyboard for me. | 17:28 |
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| dragorn | so I'm not the only one who can't find tab :) | 17:29 |
| Tak | hmm, the home key minimizes everything on a short press on the n810? What happens if you hold it? | 17:29 |
| johnnynokia | lol ;) no not at all | 17:29 |
| dragorn | I built xmodmap if you want the binary, but haven't done anything with it | 17:29 |
| johnnynokia | Oh yeh i'd love to have that | 17:29 |
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| johnnynokia | short press brings up list of currently open apps | 17:30 |
| derf | Do you at least have a Ctrl key? | 17:30 |
| johnnynokia | yes, one ctrl | 17:30 |
| dragorn | johnnynokia: http://durandal.kismetwireless.net/~dragorn/xmodmap-chinook | 17:30 |
| derf | Then tab is ^I | 17:30 |
| dragorn | johnnynokia: That's just the xmodmap binary, no packaging or anything | 17:31 |
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| johnnynokia | dragorn: got it, thanks! | 17:31 |
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| Tak | oh - isn't that what you wanted? | 17:32 |
| dragorn | derf: you'd think, not in normal apps though | 17:32 |
| dragorn | derf: I believe ^I is different from KEY_TAB xsym | 17:32 |
| derf | Do normal apps include xterm? | 17:32 |
| dragorn | derf: xterm is a different key interpreter | 17:33 |
| derf | dragorn: Then who cares? | 17:33 |
| dragorn | I care when I'm entering form data, etc | 17:33 |
| dragorn | johnnynokia: I could build you xev if you want too, but you have to share your results reconfiguring things :) | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | dragorn: xev is in extras.. | 17:34 |
| dragorn | X-Fade: on os2008? I don't think I've seen it | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | yep.. | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | last item on the list.. | 17:35 |
| dragorn | X-Fade: you are correct. thanks. | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | inz packaged it ;) | 17:35 |
| johnnynokia | dragorn: thanks for the offer regardless, i'll grab it from extras | 17:36 |
| dragorn | btw if anyone has a wispy and wants to beta test nokia support, let me know | 17:36 |
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| inz | X-Fade, itwasn'tmeitwastheotherguy | 17:48 |
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| X-Fade | inz: Heh, i see you as maintainer? | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | inz: I am looking at the mh version. | 17:50 |
| inz | X-Fade, I though you said extras, I've never uploaded anything to xextras | 17:50 |
| inz | -x | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | yeah, hard to see in Application manager. | 17:50 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | hu ! | 17:51 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hi ! | 17:51 |
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| inz | X-Fade, and even on mh, it shouldn't be in chinook repo | 17:53 |
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| kulve | lardman: ping | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | inz: Hehe you are right. Hmm somehow I have the mistral repo in my AM. | 17:55 |
| dragorn | heh usb mode switching in sw on an 800 is very far from stable | 17:58 |
| dragorn | that's sad | 17:58 |
| lardman | kulve: hey, I was wondering if you'd ever tried sending data using private ipbufs which aren't #pragma'd into the ipbuf section? | 17:59 |
| Tak | meh, my 770's headphone port is going bad | 17:59 |
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| Tak | I have to apply upward pressure on the plug to get any audio | 17:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > so this is not hard to fix ... | 18:00 |
| kulve | lardman: uhm | 18:00 |
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| Tak | ? | 18:00 |
| kulve | I tried all kinds of things, but.. | 18:00 |
| kulve | lardman: I can't be sure about the pragma thing. Sorry. And now I'm off again | 18:01 |
| Tak | Khertan_TheReal: you get your home plugin working? | 18:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > in ruby ... not very well ... it s work until i don't set timeout :) | 18:01 |
| lardman | kulve: the data I've sent appears as all zeroes, not sure if this is actually their value or a side effect of where the buffer is in memory | 18:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve contacted alterego ... | 18:01 |
| lardman | kulve: np, I'll just do a test and see what happens | 18:02 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and it s an implementation bug ... | 18:02 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | (he has forgotten to make a clean up :) ) | 18:02 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak> but i ve tryed again to made python binding working | 18:03 |
| solmumaha | _berto_: got something for me? | 18:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | s/i ve/i ven't | 18:03 |
| _berto_ | solmumaha: are you at home? :) | 18:03 |
| * Tak nods | 18:03 | |
| Tak | once he adds the cleanup method, you'll be all set | 18:04 |
| _berto_ | solmumaha: if you can try the vagalume 0.4rc1 in the 770 ... | 18:04 |
| Tak | Khertan_TheReal: so what's your suggested fix for the headphone jack? | 18:04 |
| Tak | _berto_: I'll try it tonight if it's in the repo? | 18:04 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > if your plug need pressure ... it just need to be .... "souder" (wait a few second i look a traduction for this word i ve forgotten) | 18:05 |
| _berto_ | no, i'm compiling it now, it's not the final version | 18:05 |
| Tak | Khertan_TheReal: solder | 18:05 |
| _berto_ | i just want to test that nothing strange happens in the 770 | 18:05 |
| _berto_ | like with v0.3 | 18:05 |
| Tak | ah - then if you give me the url, I'll try it tonight ;-) | 18:05 |
| Tak | or email or something | 18:06 |
| kulve | lardman: I think I used the pragma always.. | 18:06 |
| _berto_ | I'll be here tonight | 18:06 |
| _berto_ | :) | 18:06 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > thanks ... online traductor give me the word "weld" ... i seem s strange word for me ;) | 18:06 |
| bstock | if I have a microSD SDHC-compliant microSD card, and i want to put it in a n810 which has miniSD-slot, will any micro-to-mini adapter work or do i need a special SDHC-compliant adapter? | 18:07 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > many time it s the shield wich need to be solder :) | 18:07 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > take a look on thoughtfix there is a some instruction on how to open an n800 | 18:08 |
| Tak | "weld" would work also, although it's generally used for larger things, not electronics | 18:09 |
| Tak | btw, s/traduct/translat/g ;-) | 18:09 |
| solmumaha | _berto_: i'm ready when you're ready | 18:09 |
| Tak | I'm not going to solder anything, though | 18:10 |
| _berto_ | solmumaha: great! | 18:10 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Tak > tak :) | 18:10 |
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| Jaffa | Given I don't trust everyone to be uploading stuff to extras(-devel), what the the URL of that repository database? | 18:11 |
| Khertan_TheReal | where does you pseudo come from ? a stephen king books ? (tak the devil) | 18:11 |
| Tak | yes. | 18:11 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | lol i ve the same some years ago :) | 18:11 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | but i ve found there are too many "Tak" in the world :) | 18:12 |
| Tak | yeah...but I'm too lazy to change now | 18:12 |
| johnnynokia | Tak a la | 18:13 |
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| Tak | can de lach! mi him en tow! | 18:14 |
| _berto_ | solmumaha: http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.4rc1-1gregale1_armel.deb | 18:14 |
| johnnynokia | lol! yep that's it | 18:15 |
| Tak | oh, gregale | 18:15 |
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| solmumaha | _berto_: seems to work fine | 18:17 |
| _berto_ | look at the new Tag & Recommend dialogs | 18:18 |
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| _berto_ | those are the major changes in the UI | 18:18 |
| _berto_ | (and the first one is still a bit confusing, I'll have to work more on it) | 18:18 |
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| k-s | disq: http://lms.garage.maemo.org/ I added some docs and generated the tarballs | 18:20 |
| k-s | disq: if you can take a look, please | 18:20 |
| solmumaha | seem to work, finds friends etc. | 18:21 |
| _berto_ | great! | 18:21 |
| _berto_ | :) | 18:21 |
| Tak | can you recommend to a group? | 18:21 |
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| _berto_ | I'd like to know how | 18:22 |
| _berto_ | the official client can't (at least the latest version I tried) | 18:22 |
| _berto_ | I also don't know how to recommend to several users at once | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | k-s: is this being used in Canola2? | 18:23 |
| _berto_ | (apart from sending a request for each friend) | 18:23 |
| k-s | Jaffa: yes | 18:23 |
| k-s | Jaffa: I wrote it separated so we could release as open source | 18:23 |
| k-s | Jaffa: so everyone can use | 18:23 |
| Tak | the web interface can, though; although I dunno if they exposed it to the UI | 18:23 |
| Tak | s/UI/API/ | 18:24 |
| infobot | Tak meant: the web interface can, though; although I dunno if they exposed it to the API | 18:24 |
| _berto_ | Tak: yes, I have the same doubt | 18:24 |
| k-s | Jaffa: the core is pretty stable and ready, just lack some plugins | 18:24 |
| k-s | Jaffa: provided are jpeg, id3lib, ogg, m3u, pls | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | k-s: cool. have you chatted with the Nokia folks responsible for meta-crawler to see if they'll use it? | 18:24 |
| _berto_ | I also don't know how to find the lists of groups where a user is in | 18:24 |
| k-s | Jaffa: and a video-dummy, that does not parse at all, just register know media using the extension | 18:24 |
| k-s | Jaffa: not yet | 18:24 |
| k-s | Jaffa: probably they'll not use it | 18:25 |
| k-s | (dunno why) | 18:25 |
| k-s | :-) | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | No, the media folks don't seem massively involved in the community | 18:25 |
| Tak | k-s: would you accept a ruby api? ;-) | 18:27 |
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| k-s | Tak: for sure! | 18:28 |
| k-s | Tak: I just wrote the Python because we need in Canola, but you can write the Ruby and I'd place in repository | 18:29 |
| * Tak nods | 18:29 | |
| Khertan_TheReal | bye | 18:30 |
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| Tak | I might change "svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms lightmediascanner" to "svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms/lightmediascanner lightmediascanner" on the website ;-) | 18:34 |
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| Tak | k-s: is sqlite>=3.3 a hard requirement? | 18:43 |
| k-s | maybe, I have not tried with older versions | 18:44 |
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| k-s | Tak: but you need at least sqlite3 | 18:44 |
| Tak | yeah, my bora sbox has 3.2 | 18:44 |
| * Tak munge configure.ac and try again | 18:44 | |
| k-s | Tak: ah, ok, it works with sb/bora | 18:45 |
| k-s | but I remember myself using newer version | 18:45 |
| Tak | "../../src/lib/.libs/liblightmediascanner.so: undefined reference to `sqlite3_db_handle'" | 18:46 |
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| tontsa | do you guys happen to know how make n810's xterm to display accented characters(umlauts) instead of drawing boxes (tried diffrent fonts) | 19:11 |
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| inz | ü | 19:14 |
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| dragorn | tontsa: it may not be compiled with multibyte, but that's just a guess | 19:22 |
| dragorn | tontsa: you could also try seeing what LANG is set to | 19:22 |
| tontsa | ok, will do, once i figure out how to terminate my blueetooth connection. clicking Disconnect doesn't do anything and the bt-connection is somehow stuck | 19:24 |
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| tontsa | lang is en_GB, will try fi_FI | 19:26 |
| johnnynokia | on my 810 i've had connectin problems where i have to restart the icd daemon, don't know if restarting it might help | 19:29 |
| tontsa | problem seems to be more "screen". before deteching the screen umlauts work just fine.. so it's some funny terminal emulation problem | 19:30 |
| johnnynokia | ohhh do you have screen for the 810 | 19:31 |
| * johnnynokia drool | 19:31 | |
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| tontsa | nope.. i ssh to my linux box where i detach the screen | 19:33 |
| tontsa | seems to be only irssi that is having the problems.. other windows inside the screen display umlauts just fine | 19:33 |
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| johnnynokia | ahh oic | 19:34 |
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| till1 | hi, i just got a n800, it started one time, than i shut it down and now it does not start again | 19:41 |
| till1 | anyone can help me? | 19:41 |
| melmoth | till1: charge it. | 19:42 |
| melmoth | if it still fail, reflash it. | 19:42 |
| till1 | i try that, but shouldn't there be some status icon on the screen? | 19:43 |
| melmoth | when you charge it, yes, there should be. | 19:43 |
| till1 | well there isn't | 19:43 |
| melmoth | i m clueless then :-( | 19:43 |
| till1 | i tried to flash it an pressed home and power, but nothing happens | 19:44 |
| steri | anyone know new eta for canola2? | 19:44 |
| melmoth | till1: i would try with another charger, hoping this is where the problem is. | 19:44 |
| till1 | nope, already tried with another | 19:44 |
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| till1 | how long do i have to press the power button normaly? | 19:45 |
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| melmoth | 3 to 4 seconds ? | 19:47 |
| melmoth | i do not start mine that often actually, it s alwasy on. | 19:47 |
| till1 | :) | 19:47 |
| melmoth | i think i remember there is the left pad flashing in blue when it start yp | 19:47 |
| hugolp | yes | 19:47 |
| hugolp | it does the blue flash | 19:47 |
| till1 | mine doesn't | 19:47 |
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| melmoth | may be a battery problem then ? | 19:48 |
| till1 | maybe | 19:48 |
| melmoth | trying to put it out (not always easy) and back again for another charge, or trying another battery .... | 19:48 |
| till1 | i checked the battery, it got ~3,6 volt | 19:48 |
| till1 | can i put in a battery from a nokia 6280 ? | 19:49 |
| melmoth | i have no idea at all | 19:49 |
| till1 | should have the same voltage | 19:49 |
| till1 | i read something about a problem with the charge-controller | 19:49 |
| till1 | do you know anything about that? | 19:50 |
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| melmoth | all i rememebr in internettablettalk.com was some people having problem with chargers. | 19:51 |
| melmoth | but as i have no specific problem, i did not read hardware issue post that much | 19:51 |
| melmoth | may be looking for post there and posting if you find nothing could give some hint ? | 19:51 |
| till1 | okay thanks, i think i just put the battery out for a while | 19:52 |
| melmoth | good luck | 19:52 |
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| till1 | i read that you can not flash if the charger is plugged in | 19:52 |
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| melmoth | if i rememebr correclty, you first have to charge it, then start the flasher with no power wire plug in | 19:53 |
| till1 | yeas | 19:53 |
| till1 | -a | 19:53 |
| melmoth | then start the device | 19:53 |
| till1 | i need a way to charge the battery i think | 19:53 |
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| till1 | btw does anyone know if there will be a skype version with video support? | 19:54 |
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| hugolp | is Mplayer for OS2008 available? | 20:13 |
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| Dasaev | hugolp, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 | 20:14 |
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| hugolp | ok | 20:18 |
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| tank-man | is there a price for the os2008 upgrade for the n800 ? | 21:06 |
| tank-man | or is it a free upgrade? i don't have a n800 yet | 21:07 |
| sp3000 | it's a very round figure | 21:08 |
| GAN800 | It's free. | 21:09 |
| tank-man | hope that means 0. I was wondering cause I saw web sites giving info on entering a fake sn# and such | 21:09 |
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| tontsa | those are for the beta images | 21:10 |
| sp3000 | that was N800 owners fetching an N810 update | 21:10 |
| steri | grab the new one from nokia's site | 21:10 |
| tank-man | ok, thanks guys | 21:10 |
| GAN800 | Well, that was for accessing the N*819's image for N800 users. | 21:10 |
| tontsa | very unstable bluetooth on n810, hope they fix it in coming revisions | 21:11 |
| GAN800 | Stupid iGo | 21:11 |
| GAN800 | I need to learn to type on this thing. | 21:11 |
| GAN800 | Howso, tontsa? | 21:11 |
| tontsa | keeps dropping the 3g/gprs connection from phone and then you have to turn off bluetooth and turn it on again to able to connect | 21:11 |
| hugolp | the mediaBox Media center is great | 21:11 |
| hugolp | where did it come from? | 21:12 |
| GAN800 | Weird, don't have any problems with that over here. | 21:12 |
| GAN800 | A developer, hugolp. | 21:12 |
| hugolp | GAN800: no shit | 21:13 |
| hugolp | XD | 21:13 |
| sp3000 | either that or a binary stork | 21:13 |
| dragorn | tontsa: No problems with 810 bt here | 21:14 |
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| johnnynokia | hmm i use it heavily with my tmobile via bt and don't have that problem, i use it like 3 hours a day connected. | 21:19 |
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| johnnynokia | the phone itself getting connected often has issues, but that's pre-existing. i have same problem with it on my laptop | 21:21 |
| johnnynokia | my bt keyboard seems to work fine, although i can type faster than the characters are displayed. | 21:23 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, that's a bit of a pain. | 21:24 |
| GAN800 | Reminds me a bit of a books in print catalog on an old Pentium II machine I had to use when I was working at a bookstore a few years ago. | 21:25 |
| GAN800 | 5 second delay between keypress and screen. | 21:26 |
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| |R | anyone has a suggestion for a cheap/good webcam under linux? | 21:32 |
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| GAN800 | Probably any of the Logitech line. | 21:32 |
| GAN800 | Find yourself a compatability chart on google first, though. | 21:33 |
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| hugolp | |R: how cheap? | 21:34 |
| hugolp | you can get the philips npc900 for 60 euros, has very good quality, for video as well, and has support in linux | 21:35 |
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| |R | hugolp : well, i guess something not horrible but as cheap as possible (for someone else who needs skype video in linux) | 21:37 |
| johnnynokia | thx maybe i'll checkout logitech, i'm okay with it so far though. | 21:37 |
| GAN800 | For webcam, johnnynokia. | 21:37 |
| lopz | re | 21:38 |
| hugolp | |R: you can find webcams with linux drivers for 30-40 euros, Id check logitech as GAN800 said. For 60 euros you get the philips wich will give you better image and specially better video (it does real 30fps, it even gets more) | 21:39 |
| hugolp | its up to you | 21:39 |
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| |R | hugolp : ok, thanks :) | 21:42 |
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| ds3 | is there a way to just download a zImage with flasher and run it w/o flashing it on the device? | 22:23 |
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| keesj | run? | 22:24 |
| ds3 | yeah as in boot | 22:24 |
| ds3 | seems rather stressful to write it to flash if I am just testing a kernel | 22:24 |
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| keesj | did you look into the mmc / dual boot stuff? | 22:24 |
| Olof | hello, im having some trouble reflashing my N800 | 22:24 |
| ds3 | yes, that does it for userspace only | 22:24 |
| ds3 | i am changing kernels | 22:24 |
| Olof | i have installed the initfs for dualbooting before | 22:25 |
| Olof | but now i just want to remove it and run a single-boot system | 22:25 |
| Olof | how can i achieve this? | 22:25 |
| ds3 | pop out the MMC or rename the init on MMC, I think that's all it checks for | 22:25 |
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| Olof | ds3: did you mean me or someone else? | 22:26 |
| ds3 | Olof: that was for you | 22:26 |
| Olof | okey | 22:26 |
| GAN800 | ds3, read the flasher help? | 22:26 |
| ds3 | GAN800: did that | 22:26 |
| Olof | ds3: i have removed all the memory card and then i runned the internet tablet software updater | 22:27 |
| Olof | ds3: it finds my N800 but then the boot-menu appears | 22:27 |
| GAN800 | -k is for kernel only | 22:27 |
| Olof | and it looses the connection so i cant upgrade | 22:27 |
| ds3 | Olof: Hmmmm it needs to reflash the initrd | 22:27 |
| GAN800 | Basically, follow the steps for flashing the N810 OS2008 firmware onto an N800, but only flash the kernel. | 22:27 |
| ds3 | GAN800: right, it won't accept -k filename; it wants -k filename -f | 22:27 |
| GAN800 | -f is for flash | 22:27 |
| Olof | ds3: yea, thats what i thought but how can i do that? | 22:28 |
| GAN800 | without -f, it doesn't do anything | 22:28 |
| ds3 | yes, I know that. I don't want to write it to flash. I just want to download kernel and have it run it | 22:28 |
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| GAN800 | You've told it where the kernel is, but not what to do. | 22:28 |
| GAN800 | The only way to run the kernel is from flash. | 22:28 |
| ds3 | oh okay | 22:29 |
| GAN800 | Once you're done, just flash back you old kernel. | 22:29 |
| zuh | GAN800: Nope | 22:29 |
| GAN800 | OK, nevermind, then. | 22:29 |
| zuh | -l -b should do it | 22:29 |
| ds3 | with the number of kernel stuffs I am doing, that could be a significant wear on the flash :( | 22:29 |
| zuh | ie. load the kernel and boot it (without flashing) | 22:29 |
| ds3 | let me try -l -b | 22:29 |
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| ds3 | that worked, thanks! | 22:31 |
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| mschoolbus | hello | 22:33 |
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| Olof | ds3: you dont know any solution? | 22:33 |
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| ds3 | Olof: only thing I can think of is to break up the fiasco image and manually force a flash of initrd, kernel, and userspace since what you describe seems to suggest it is being too "smart" about it | 22:34 |
| Olof | hmm ok, is that hard to do? | 22:35 |
| ds3 | no, but I am not walking anyone through it and then get blamed for bricking stuff | 22:35 |
| ds3 | =) | 22:35 |
| ds3 | it is all done with the flasher | 22:35 |
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| Olof | then i need linux, right? | 22:36 |
| ds3 | uh... is there any other viable OS's? =) | 22:36 |
| Olof | for servers, nah ;) | 22:36 |
| BeBraw | they should make winuosx | 22:37 |
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| inz | graah, my blog is getting awfully lot of spam comments that aren't caught by akismet | 22:55 |
| inz | Fortunately I don't get any real comments so I can just "mark all as spam" and "bulk moderate comments" =) | 22:55 |
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| Olof | ds3: made a post now | 23:20 |
| Olof | at the internettablettalk forum | 23:20 |
| Olof | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=108374#post108374 | 23:20 |
| Olof | lets hope someone knows a simple solution | 23:20 |
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| Jaffa | What's the OS2008 root password? | 23:27 |
| inz | Jaffa, same as always, enable r&d -mode | 23:27 |
| Jaffa | inz: Feh, too much hassle since I've not unravelled the special USB cable yet. | 23:28 |
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| glass_ | special usb? | 23:31 |
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| Jaffa | The Micro-A/B cable, whichever it is on the N810 | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | Do I remember seeing something which made copying SSH keys to Maemo devices easier? | 23:34 |
| halley | You coulda gotten this done in the amount of time you've complained about the hassle. | 23:35 |
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| Khertan_n800 | Re | 23:40 |
| tontsa | Jaffa, you can always install openssh and it will set root password for you.. then you can ssh root@localhost | 23:42 |
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| ShyBoy | I am trying to compile some codes, getting this error ---> http://pastebin.ca/815205 | 23:46 |
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| tontsa | well like your error says, you are missing the gtk-- devel libs in their standard location | 23:51 |
| ShyBoy | what is the name of the lib gtk-devel didn't work | 23:52 |
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| ShyBoy | is there anyway to find the packages available for install? like on N800 we can see those on application manager | 23:52 |
| ShyBoy | ? | 23:52 |
| sp3000 | apt-cache search whatnot | 23:53 |
| tontsa | it's debian in maemo, so apt-cache search | 23:54 |
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| milhouse | anyone getting "request or reply is too large" errors on maemo.org? | 23:56 |
| milhouse | could be my squid proxy but doesn't look like it... | 23:57 |
| tontsa | no errors | 23:57 |
| milhouse | hmmm wierd | 23:57 |
| milhouse | (thanks btw) | 23:57 |
| tontsa | i'm liking adblock plus, now the browser is usable | 23:58 |
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