IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-12-07

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K`zan	GeneralAntilles: Wow, instant first fix, MUCH faster than the GPSMAP76CS and I didn't even have to put it in the window!	00:02
Astro	K`zan: want my .config?	00:02
Astro	features ipv6!	00:02
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, the i-blues are absurdly fast.	00:02
blithe	Which gps unit did you get?	00:02
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GeneralAntilles	I don't think I've ever not been able to get a signal.	00:02
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K`zan	Astro: Sure would, as noted not even a clue as how to start doing this for the n800, but that would be one part of it.	00:03
K`zan	GeneralAntilles: Yes, surprising, took all sorts of work to get first fix on the Garmin (it came from the other side of the country).	00:03
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Astro	K`zan: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html	00:04
K`zan	Astro: Thank you VERY much!	00:06
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K`zan	maemo mapper is just too cool! Only thing it is missing is the zoom in and out touch spots on the screen.	00:14
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\|R	hehe i don't see how using the converted power from the wall is going going to be less green then converting it once more to battery power first... :)	00:32
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GeneralAntilles	I bought 3 extra chargers and leave them plugged in just to spit Nokia.	00:38
GeneralAntilles	*spite	00:39
\|R	haha	00:39
GeneralAntilles	It's such a stupid notice	00:39
GeneralAntilles	and it gets in the way	00:39
GeneralAntilles	I unplug my device, I want to USE it	00:39
GeneralAntilles	Not wait for their retarded notice to die.	00:39
GeneralAntilles	So, VOTE ON MY BUG!	00:40
GeneralAntilles	If Nokia ACTUALLY cared about the environment, they'd stop producing billions of phones a year.	00:40
GeneralAntilles	But shit like this is just lame and hypocritical.	00:40
\|R	well, they do make a good effort to get greener :)	00:42
GeneralAntilles	I'd rather they keep their hypocrisy off my internet tablet.	00:43
Atarii	lol	00:44
Atarii	is there a screeny of this message?	00:44
GeneralAntilles	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285	00:44
GeneralAntilles	#2	00:44
GeneralAntilles	Erm, #1, rather.	00:44
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GeneralAntilles	Actually, I'd be happy if they would just give me an option to turn it off.	00:45
GeneralAntilles	I'll even sign a waiver stating that I understand that I'm dooming us to the downfall of humanity.	00:45
celesteh	that seems like the sort of thing that might be used against you later	00:45
Atarii	lol	00:45
GeneralAntilles	If it saves me from that goddamn notice, I don't care.	00:46
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Atarii	does it just display that message when you unplug the charge, or another message stating 'changer unplugged' aswell?	00:47
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GeneralAntilles	It replaces "Battery full"	00:47
Atarii	for a short-term fix, would it be possible to replace the string in the firmwarE?	00:48
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Vulcanis	Has anyone gotten Quetoo working on a nokia n800 with OS2008?	00:51
johnnynokia	yeh that's annoying, i can't stand that type of nonsense either, vote cast for what its worth	00:51
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GeneralAntilles	Dunno.	00:52
GeneralAntilles	"Nokia management is a bunch of big blubbering hypocrites" ?	00:52
GeneralAntilles	Ah, that would make me happy.	00:52
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inz	IIRC "unused charger" takes about on third of the power of a used one	00:55
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inz	Decide for yourself it that's a lot or not	00:56
inz	I heat my house by electricity, I don't really care during the winter	00:56
inz	;)	00:56
GeneralAntilles	Exactly.	00:56
GeneralAntilles	I'm a free person	00:56
GeneralAntilles	I don't need Nokia telling me what to do.	00:57
GeneralAntilles	Personally, the opportunity cost of crawling under my desk to unplug the stupid wall-wart every time I take me N800 off the charger is high.	00:57
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Atarii	opportunity cost ftw	00:58
inz	but you kill a polar bear every time you don't unplug it	00:58
inz	and you don't even get to eat it	00:58
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GeneralAntilles	Good, fuck the polar bears. They never did anything for us, anyway.	00:59
Atarii	then again that polar bear will help fuel something else in millions of years so its one big cycle	00:59
GeneralAntilles	Really, Nokia should just manufacture on-demand chargers and stop trying to be trendy.	01:00
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celesteh	They're in Finalnd, aren't they?	01:01
celesteh	aside from losing reindeer, they have a lot of gain from global warming	01:02
celesteh	more areable land	01:02
celesteh	northwest shipping passage opening up	01:02
celesteh	the size of their landmass is actually increasing	01:02
celesteh	also, Fins are very tough	01:02
celesteh	They're clearly going to be the major power in a warmer world	01:02
celesteh	so if they're trying to spare us from global warming, this shows that at least they'll be a benevolent empire when they rules us all	01:03
Atarii	"a dark, furry animal that was locally known as the nokia"	01:04
Atarii	that's the best thing ive read all day	01:04
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Vulcanis	So Nokia is a furry, now?	01:13
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msh_	celesteh: hah. thuogh hm, 6300 chargers seem sane when they're not attached. unless my wattmeter is bogus.	02:13
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Rocketman	Standing in line at the post office. The xmas shipping lines are already ginormous	02:18
Rocketman	standing in line used to be much more dull, though	02:19
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Rocketman	So, what is everyone up to?	02:19
anthrobug	installing maps	02:21
anthrobug	u?	02:21
Rocketman	Maemo Mapper or the built in?	02:21
anthrobug	built in - but on a 800	02:21
Rocketman	Would be nice if there were a torrent with all the maps in it	02:23
anthrobug	yeah these things are murder	02:23
anthrobug	friggin 733MB's? are they kidding?	02:24
Rocketman	There server seemed slow too	02:25
Rocketman	I just ran it overnight	02:26
Rocketman	I heard the firmware download site was running at like 3KBps	02:26
anthrobug	yeah, it took about a day to download it	02:27
anthrobug	did it over the weekend	02:27
anthrobug	this map just crapped out at like 20%...	02:27
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anthrobug	there's no other place to download these? I'm under the impression i've got to use this built in client to get the maps	02:28
GeneralAntilles	Do you have at least 1.4GB free?	02:28
anthrobug	yeah, it's a fresh 2GB - i formatted it the first time it failed	02:29
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GeneralAntilles	ITT says fmradio is out for 2008.	02:40
GeneralAntilles	Anybody confirm?	02:40
GeneralAntilles	not coming up when I refresh	02:40
GeneralAntilles	There it is, nevermind.	02:43
GeneralAntilles	K`zan.	02:43
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GeneralAntilles	Well . . . it's really good at hard-freezing the device.	02:52
vlad_	is it possible to kill off X and use the framebuffer directly on the n800/n810?	02:52
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K`zan	GeneralAntilles: Thanks, now to find it :)	03:01
ds3	vlad_, yes.	03:01
vlad_	ds3: any pages with info on how to do so? my googling failed me	03:01
ds3	donno	03:02
ds3	vlad_: IIRC, you will need to disable the right watchdog or it'll reboot	03:03
vlad_	ah, good info, thanks	03:03
vlad_	I want to do some perf tests without X getting in the way	03:03
ds3	ah	03:03
ds3	forgot which watchdog but once you do that, Xomap should be killable. besure to have either ssh/telnet/etc setup or the right cable for the rear pads	03:04
vlad_	nod	03:04
ds3	speaking of which, does anyone sell the right connector for the serial console pads?	03:04
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K`zan	GeneralAntilles: OK, I'll byte, where is fmradio hidden :-)?	03:12
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GeneralAntilles	It's in the repos.	03:14
GeneralAntilles	I had to refresh a couple times before it would show	03:14
GeneralAntilles	Dunno.	03:15
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shackan	GeneralAntilles: can't find it here	03:16
GeneralAntilles	It worked after I ran apt-get upgrade	03:16
shackan	shouldn't the package manager work the same?	03:17
\|penguinbait\|	GA, still no tan?	03:17
GeneralAntilles	Meh, maybe in the spring. :P	03:18
\|penguinbait\|	where abouts are you	03:18
GeneralAntilles	Northerly in Tallahassee.	03:18
\|penguinbait\|	ah	03:18
\|penguinbait\|	they get the fires out yet	03:18
GeneralAntilles	Have there been some in the last few weeks?	03:19
GeneralAntilles	I hadn't noticed.	03:19
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K`zan	GeneralAntilles: Got the app catalog to update finally, got it! Thanks very much	03:35
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zerojay	GeneralAntilles: Did you get my broadcast message on Jablet?	03:41
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K`zan	Camera works much better under 2008!	03:49
Vulcanis	For the n800? it seems to have better fps, yeah.	03:49
Vulcanis	though mine still has random blue splotches	03:50
K`zan	Cool, fmradio and camera, all in one day :-)	03:50
K`zan	Well, it is a crappy camera, but...	03:50
* Vulcanis still wants someone to get Quetoo working for the n800		03:50
Vulcanis	Its also badly placed. :/	03:50
K`zan	Don't know what that is :-).	03:50
Vulcanis	Have to hold the tablet to the side to get your face in it	03:50
Vulcanis	Quetoo is the Quake 2 port	03:50
Vulcanis	theres a working version for OS2007	03:50
K`zan	Ah, not much of a gamer here.	03:50
Vulcanis	But 08 is amazing otherwise.,	03:50
Vulcanis	I just got my tablet... two days ago. Any 2008 apps I should desparately get?	03:51
K`zan	Although I did install the doom thing just to see how it does. I get sick playing doom on the PC.	03:51
Vulcanis	Doom on the tablet... hurts.	03:51
K`zan	:-)	03:51
Vulcanis	great graphics, but I need an external kb to play it, since I can't turn on it easily	03:52
Vulcanis	Quake atleast can use the screen to aim	03:52
ds3	Hmmmm integrate a wii bluetooth accelerometer into the controls...	03:52
Vulcanis	Yeah, you can pair it with wii controllers, last I saw.	03:52
Vulcanis	hacked drivers and whatnot	03:52
K`zan	Dunno, depends on what you want / need :-/. All good although I would like a good organizer I can sync. Got the palm emulator installed, but that only sync's via network so it is kind of a PITA to go back and forth to wincrap in.	03:52
Vulcanis	don't like palm.	03:53
K`zan	Need to look at korganizer and see if it might sync via net (jpilot won't ).	03:53
K`zan	Neither do I anymore, that is why I got the n800 :-).	03:53
K`zan	Palm has gone from gold (vx/c3) to crap.	03:53
K`zan	Digitizer on the Z31 wanders around all over the place (both of them).	03:54
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Vulcanis	is it sad that I'll probably teach myself how to port apps to maemo just so I can play quake2 before they finish updating it for OS08?	03:57
K`zan	I'm looking at the same thing for jpilot, but that may well not work out unless I can figure out how to get USB to the z31 working - once I do that I don't need the z31 anymore :)	03:58
ds3	I think pilot-link will but no gui	03:58
K`zan	ds3: Thanks, will check that out.	03:59
ds3	K`zan: you just want to extra data or you need to constantly share it?	03:59
K`zan	no kpilot on fedora!?!?	03:59
K`zan	Just for me.	03:59
ds3	then why not backup everything onto an SD card and move that to the 800?	03:59
ds3	or does the 31 lack an SD slot?	04:00
K`zan	I can make it work by booting native 32bit wincrap, syncing with the z31 and then moving it to the n800 user for the emulator and then network syncing...	04:00
K`zan	No, got SD, that might work, hadn't thought of that, thanks!	04:00
K`zan	Only thing useful on it :)	04:00
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ds3	gotten too many "legacy" apps on the Palm to get rid of so GarnetVM was a major major thing	04:02
ds3	now if they can just get VFS implemented, I can chuck the treo for a free phone w/bt	04:02
K`zan	Yes, it is, very nice, but would be nice if it would usb sunc :-)	04:02
ds3	usb sync should just work	04:03
ds3	might have to muck with the USB ids in the driver and recompile	04:03
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K`zan	A thought, going to see what kpilot will do if I can find it here :-)	04:07
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ds3	unless they deprecated the kernel driver in the current 2.6 releases... last time I triedit was around 2.6.12 on the treo	04:08
K`zan	Kpilot is usb only, would still have to use wincrap :-/.	04:08
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truls	any chances of integrating stuff (like subversion) into the filemanager ?	04:09
ds3	nice thing about the kernel driver is jpilot can be convinced to work with it, at least once	04:11
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Vulc\|Bleh	So... What should I get for os2008, and does anyone know when the official release is scheduled?	04:20
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MagicFab	oh, crap. the 801 wen from "backorder" to out of stock in ~12 hours (or less) today in the USA stora	04:32
MagicFab	N810 that is	04:32
dragorn	what store?	04:39
vlad_	circuit city (online)	04:42
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Vulc\|Bleh	nevermind	06:10
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l7	hey, has anyone recieved a tablet that has an uneven backlight?	06:10
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\|R	reallly uneven?	06:10
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Vulc\|Bleh	Which one	06:10
Vulc\|Bleh	which model*	06:10
Vulc\|Bleh	my n800 does not	06:10
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l7	\|R: slightly uneven	06:10
l7	the backlight is dim at the right side of the screen	06:10
l7	and brighter on the left side	06:10
l7	i'm assuming the LCD lamp is on the left side, and it's a little imperfect?	06:10
l7	a thread on forums described this as a "common" issue	06:10
l7	it's noticable in fbreader in full screen	06:10
\|R	loaded note to have a white bg...	06:10
\|R	straight in front i don't notice anything weird	06:10
l7	hrm i think there are lcd lamps on the right side too	06:10
l7	they seem to be pointed towards the back of the unit rather than parallel	06:10
l7	i just heard that returning your unit to nokia for service requires a pretty long time	06:10
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ol_schoola	hi all. still trying to reflash my n800. it currently has IT2008 1.2007.42-18 with Fanoush's "boot from mmc" initfs	06:10
ol_schoola	anytime i try to flash, regardless of the firmware version, it gives this output http://pastebin.ca/807953	06:10
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ol_schoola	i had the backup of the original initfs as recommended in mmc boot writeup, but a recent haphazard housekeeping on my mac wiped it out	06:12
* ol_schoola goes looking for a trout to self-administer		06:12
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ol_schoola	About Product control panel reports Nokia N800 Internet Tablet, <unknown>, Version: <unknown>, WLAN and Bluetooth addresses are normal	06:14
* \|R never played with boot from mmc yet :\|		06:20
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jeddy3	anyone having any tips for encoding h264 with mencoder, os2008 mediaplayer says video is damaged	14:34
lardman	wow a new error message	14:35
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lardman	rather than the generic ones we used to get :)	14:35
jeddy3	i DID interrupt encoding...but rebuild the index, so that _should_ not be a problem...	14:36
lardman	jeddy3: does the gstreamer plugin give you any output to debug it?	14:36
jeddy3	lardman, is gstreamer something i have to isntall?	14:37
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lardman	jeddy3: no, it's what the media player uses as a backend	14:37
jeddy3	ooh, no it just says video clip is damaged, (but in swedish :P)	14:38
L0cutus	mmm	14:38
lardman	yes, but that presumably means it's decided the clip is not to its liking for some reason	14:38
lardman	the question is why	14:39
L0cutus	pan (newsgroups reader) doesn't compile on os2008.	14:39
jeddy3	it's avi file ending, and avi container, is that correct?	14:39
lardman	no idea, sorry	14:39
jeddy3	someone have any mencoder arguments to share?	14:40
jeddy3	i might have encoded it wrong	14:40
jeddy3	lardman, thanks anyway!	14:40
lardman	http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html, scroll down to deployment	14:40
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lardman	see how gst-launch is used with a decoder pipeline	14:40
lardman	I was thinking that if you try decoding the file using this commandline tool (you'll need to work out the pipes) then it might output some useful error information	14:41
jeddy3	lardman, aah, good idea	14:41
kulve	on 2008? playbin seems to be there easying that task quite a lot..	14:42
lardman	kulve: I don't know the specifics, but if you do, please share	14:43
kulve	I think most files play just with "gst-launch playbin uri=file://foo/bar.avi"	14:44
kulve	+/	14:44
lardman	how does it know what the pipeline should be?	14:44
kulve	that's the job of the playbin :)	14:44
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lardman	:)	14:45
lardman	jeddy3: try and see, it may at least give more output than the player	14:45
Screaming	Cool! Just downloaded the new fm radio app for 2008. Its got an alarm clock!!! And it works, Yipee!	14:45
kulve	the plugins tell their mime-types/etc for in/out and the playbin tries to figure out the best pipeline	14:45
kulve	-v gives a bit more output for gst-launch and "GST_DEBUG=*:5 gst-launch" gives more that you want..	14:46
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lardman	kulve: cool, thanks	14:46
X-Fade_	Screaming: Yeah, nice one huh? ;)	14:47
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jeddy3	hmmm, don't even have gst-launch :P	14:47
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Khertan	Hi !	14:48
GeneralAntilles	ol_schoola, add -F in there ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX...	14:48
Screaming	Nice to know they really do listen up there in the cold dark Finland	14:48
jeddy3	os gst-launch-0.10	14:49
jeddy3	s/or/os/	14:49
lardman	install gstreamer-tools	14:49
lardman	I think	14:49
X-Fade_	Screaming: Well, if they would really listen, they would release the source ;)	14:50
GeneralAntilles	I'm surprised they didn't integrate it with the existing alarm function though, Screaming.	14:50
Screaming	X-Fade: One step at a time...	14:50
kulve	jeddy3: yeah, you need gstreamer0.10-tools (or somethink like that). When you know where to get it, let me know too ;)	14:50
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jeddy3	kulve, yeah, was just searching :D ...no luck :P	14:51
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lardman	http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/	14:55
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lopz	buenos dias	14:56
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lardman	http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.13-0osso11_armel.deb to be exact. Or are you not using OS2008?	14:56
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lopz	bye xD	14:59
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Screaming	lopz: Buenas tardes	15:01
kulve	I added the repository.maemo.org and installed less, wget, and gstreamer0.10-tools from there	15:01
kulve	deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free	15:02
kulve	but I think you can get packages from there that are not suitable for the device, so be careful what to install..	15:02
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Screaming	kulve: ...or not...they seem to have packages(eg python2.5) that appear and disappear at the drop of a hat.	15:07
kulve	gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg plays just fine	15:07
GeneralAntilles	Any Nokians about?	15:08
Screaming	Currently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:(	15:08
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kulve	GeneralAntilles: what do you need Nokians for..?	15:09
GeneralAntilles	timeless had me file a bug on the docs yesterday and wanted me to "grab a nokian on friday and make sure it's imported".	15:09
GeneralAntilles	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2499	15:09
kulve	GeneralAntilles: ok. Try to find one then :)	15:10
GeneralAntilles	Hehe, that's what I was doing. ;)	15:10
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kulve	does somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008?	15:11
kulve	(probably won't work)	15:11
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Screaming	GeneralAntilles: Holiday Thursday,day off Friday. In Spain they call it a puente-a bridge.	15:12
GeneralAntilles	I'm just doing what the big, mean browser dev told me to do. :P	15:12
Screaming	GA: You mean the nicest Nokian around.:-)	15:13
GeneralAntilles	Pfft.	15:14
czr	just think of all the karma points ;-)	15:14
* GeneralAntilles doesn't think his garage account is linked to his bugzilla account.		15:14
czr	different email?	15:15
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GeneralAntilles	Good question, don't recall.	15:15
GeneralAntilles	Can you handle the "importing", czr?	15:15
czr	if it's the same email, it should link ok methinks	15:15
czr	no, I'm not a nokee	15:15
GeneralAntilles	Well, damn.	15:15
czr	friday probably is a day off for the finnish nokees	15:16
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czr	yesterday was the independence day and all that	15:16
lardman	kulve: I think he wanted to play h.264	15:16
kulve	lardman: could be. I just proved my point about playbin ;)	15:18
kulve	but I think the device doesn't use playbin for all mimetypes..	15:18
kulve	so there might be handcrafted pipelines for some..	15:18
kulve	bbl	15:18
lardman	k	15:18
jeddy3	GeneralAntilles, you had encoded h.264 for os 2008, right?	15:19
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, didn't go so well.	15:19
lardman	jeddy3: did playbin do anything?	15:19
jeddy3	lardman, the deb you linked to was "uncopatible" according to application manager	15:20
GeneralAntilles	400x240 500-1000Kbps with AAC at 24fps (didn't feel like forcing any of my encoders to mp3)	15:20
jeddy3	GeneralAntilles, and avi file ending?	15:20
GeneralAntilles	.mp4	15:20
lardman	jeddy3: you running OS2007 or 2008?	15:20
jeddy3	aah, that might be it	15:20
jeddy3	lardman, 2008	15:20
lardman	hmm	15:21
lardman	should work	15:21
jeddy3	GeneralAntilles, just change the fileending? not any container arguments or something?	15:21
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Screaming	Does anyone know how to persuade Nokia's legal department to let me agree not to sue them just the once. Not everytime I install something?	15:28
lardman	jeddy3: app manager red pill mode install gstreamer-tools. Works fine for me	15:29
GeneralAntilles	Haha, Screaming.	15:31
GeneralAntilles	I had the same idea for that stupid "Unplugg the charger" notice.	15:31
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GeneralAntilles	I'm going to sue them for pain and suffering instead.	15:31
Screaming	GA: I guess lawyers are a law unto themselves.	15:32
Khertan	"<Screaming> Currently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:(" ....	15:32
Khertan	what s the problem ?	15:32
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Screaming	GA: DONT! They are LAWYERS	15:33
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Screaming	First lesson in lawyerhood. "Heads I win, Tails everybody but me looses."	15:36
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MSameerWork	is there a document on how to extend HIM better than the maemo.org one ?	15:38
jeddy3	hmm, i'm also having sync issues with videos produced with tablet-encode :P	15:41
lardman	After reading about iPhysics on ITT, the actual game looks pretty fun: http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/	15:43
felipec	jeddy3: have you checked http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/transcoding_how-to.html ?	15:43
lardman	(scroll down to the youtube video)	15:43
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Khertan	lardman> funny and as i ve see on itt ... box2D is an open source engine coded in c++ ...	15:46
Khertan	so it could be ported to maemo ...	15:46
Khertan	but the game based on this engine seems not to be open source	15:46
lardman	yes indeed	15:46
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jeddy3	felipec, thanks	15:46
lardman	http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/games/crayon/ is open source though, and is the same sort of thing	15:46
Khertan	hum ... i ve found the source last time :)	15:46
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Khertan	Crayon Physics uses: SDL, SDL_Image, SDL_Mixer and SDL_RotoZoom	15:47
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Khertan	and i dont find any source ... for crayon	15:47
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lardman	Khertan: ah, no I thought I read it was open source	15:47
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Khertan	the graphic and music are under cc	15:48
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lardman	yeah, oh well	15:49
kulve	does somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008?	15:49
kulve	(probably won't work)	15:49
lardman	I can if you insist	15:49
kulve	lardman: I don't :)	15:49
lardman	anything to install to do so? A vorbisidec plugin	15:50
kulve	I'll need to setup a fresh installation on mmc for someday to easily test those on fresh installs..	15:50
kulve	lardman: my ogg-support from maemo.org/downloads and then a new version of ogg-support from the url I'll give	15:50
lardman	ok	15:50
lardman	ah, is this for Os2008?	15:51
kulve	yes	15:51
felipec	jeddy3: there's a script I did inspired by tablet-encode... it has only been tested by me AFAIK	15:51
Screaming	lardman: Looks fun. I prefer CrayonLawyer. Difference is you never lose.	15:51
felipec	kulve: hi :) I'm the one that sent you the patch for OS2008	15:51
jeddy3	felipec, why -noidx?	15:51
kulve	felipec: hi	15:52
kulve	I didn't use it as-is, but copied the idea..	15:52
derf	kulve: How much harder do you think it would be to add Theora support?	15:52
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felipec	kulve: yeap, you get the idea of what needs to be done anyway	15:53
kulve	derf: it has it already	15:53
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derf	!	15:53
derf	Genisu.	15:53
felipec	kulve: wow, and how does it work?	15:53
kulve	felipec: it didn't work out-of-the-box with all devices I tested it with, so I'm now trying to figure out why..	15:53
felipec	(Theora)	15:54
kulve	felipec: umm. what?	15:54
kulve	ah	15:54
kulve	well, it works, but obviously isn't as optimized as mpeg4	15:54
kulve	but the theora just moved from alpha to beta and got x86/x64 asm optimizations, so maybe it'll get those for arm too some day :)	15:55
derf	Not until I learn arm assembly.	15:56
kulve	derf: hmm.. You are a theora dev?	15:56
derf	kulve: Yes.	15:57
kulve	well, thanks for a good codec :)	15:57
derf	Yer welcome.	15:57
kulve	the built-in player plays oggs with theora/vorbis on my device..	15:57
felipec	kulve: for both decoding and encoding?	15:57
derf	I would actually rather do a dsp task, but I'm waiting for lardman to get enough of one working for Vorbis to steal^Wcopy from.	15:58
kulve	encoding? I haven't tried encoding anything..	15:58
felipec	kulve: I mean x86 optimizations for encoding	15:58
kulve	felipec: oh. I didn't check that carefully..	15:58
derf	There are some, yes.	15:59
derf	Hopefully most will still be standing after Monty's done hacking the encoder to bits.	15:59
derf	Red Hat finally let him work on something useful.	15:59
kulve	lardman: thx for testing, even if it didn't work..	16:01
Screaming	derf: kulve: I always reckoned the neat trick for asm optimising was to write ur c code so the optimiser gave you the assembler you wanted. That way it runs anywhere.	16:02
kulve	lardman: gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg	16:02
lardman	derf: I have a dsp task for ogg, just have some issues loading it	16:02
derf	Screaming: The compiler's auto-vectorizer needs some work before it'll be useful enough to do that.	16:03
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lardman	derf: waiting on Nokia to provide some compilable source for dsp_dld so I can add some more debugging output and work out what's wrong	16:03
Screaming	Respect derf!	16:03
Screaming	cu guys, gotta go swim in the sea while its stll nice and warm.	16:04
felipec	lardman: I'm on that ;)	16:04
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lardman	felipec: you a nokian?	16:05
lardman	kulve: works fine with playbin though	16:05
felipec	lardman: yes, on the multimedia team	16:06
lardman	cool	16:06
kulve	lardman: sure. The stupid mp just says "no-go" without even trying..	16:06
kulve	but bbl	16:06
lardman	felipec: you saw my ml post/bug and understand what I'm after then?	16:06
lardman	kulve: bug me thinks	16:07
kulve	lardman: btw. You have know that floating point version of the vorbis. You can just remove the lib to get the integer version..	16:07
kulve	(bug in the ogg-support)	16:07
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lardman	s/know/now ??	16:07
lardman	gst was sat at ~18% cpu	16:07
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felipec	lardman: yes, I think so...	16:08
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lardman	I think I know what I want anyway... :)	16:09
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felipec	lardman: have you checked osso-dsp-loader ?	16:09
lardman	felipec: no, I didn't know that existed	16:10
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dobey	holas!	16:10
lardman	felipec: looks like that's what I want, thanks	16:11
felipec	lardman: me neither :) I was just searching for all the stuff that we have	16:11
lardman	:)	16:12
lardman	I'll post a reply to the list and close my bug	16:12
lardman	assuming i can close bugs that is	16:12
dobey	can anyone tell me how to make networking work for maemo apps inside scratchbox?	16:13
felipec	lardman: which bug?	16:14
lardman	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2498	16:14
lardman	was wondering whether to make it fixed or invalid	16:14
felipec	lardman: well, I guess this needs to be written down somewhere	16:15
lardman	no-one but me uses it to be honest, I now know so can tell people if they want it	16:16
lardman	also, if I add a reply to the mailing list and bug tracker, then close the bug, people can search for it too	16:16
felipec	lardman: let me do that so people know they can ask me too	16:17
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lardman	oops, have already sent a post to the mailing list, with your irc name on it too though	16:17
lardman	do you want to close the bug?	16:18
felipec	lardman: all right	16:18
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lardman	felipec: I've had some interest from someone who wants to write an SBC dsp task, is this worth pursuing or will it soon be duplicated?	16:19
lardman	s/wants to write/wants to collaborate and write	16:20
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felipec	lardman: well, it won't be duplicated work	16:26
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lardman	felipec: okay, sorry to hear that in some ways, but it will give us something else to do :)	16:28
X-Fade_	felipec: Do you know if it is already known that there are some issues with .wmv files. Yuv decoding artifacts, I guess? http://www.discoveryondemand.nl/broadband/broadband.jsp?site=nl&template=freeclipplay&clip_id=41	16:28
alterego	Cool, I think I'll buy a USB gender changer this afternoon	16:29
X-Fade_	felipec: It plays fine in the internal player after you click on the movie logo, but the colors are messed up. You see diagonal tearing..	16:29
alterego	I didn't realise how easy it was to enable OTG host mode :)	16:29
dobey	hmm	16:29
dobey	hey felipec	16:29
shackan	mm, mi 800 is on "charging" since yesterday, should I worry?	16:31
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lardman	shackan: did you leave wifi on?	16:31
lardman	shackan: if so, or it automatically comes on, I wouldn't worry too much	16:31
shackan	lardman: the device itself is off	16:32
lardman	shackan: oh, no idea then	16:32
shackan	strange..	16:32
lardman	shackan: try switching it on and continue charging, see if there's a bug	16:32
lardman	shackan: I doubt many people charge with the device off, so if it just keeps going few would see that	16:33
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shackan	really? I expected it to be the norm to wait until the battery was drained and only then charge it, without anything running, maybe I'm just too cautious	16:34
shackan	(if there was a way to run it on my desk directly from wall power without using the battery at all I'd be much happier, too)	16:35
lardman	I wait until the "battery low" warning comes on and then charge, or if i need to use it just charge when it's on one bar	16:35
GeneralAntilles	You shouldn't wait until anything.	16:35
GeneralAntilles	Charge it whenever you can.	16:35
lardman	the batteries are relatively cheap, just use it in a convenient way	16:36
GeneralAntilles	Draining it will kill the life of the battery.	16:36
X-Fade_	Li-ion actually likes being charged..	16:36
lardman	I thought they still have a fixed # of charges	16:36
shackan	GeneralAntilles: oh?	16:36
alterego	Yeah, you shouldn't completely discharge Li ion batteries.	16:36
shackan	crap	16:37
lardman	but they probably don't completely discharge do they, they moan about being flat before they are damaged	16:37
alterego	shackan, don't worry about it. The devices wont let the battery completely drain.	16:37
felipec	dobey: hey dobey :) long time no see	16:37
lardman	well before I would imagine	16:37
felipec	dobey: also involved in Maemo?	16:37
dobey	felipec: working on webkit	16:37
alterego	lardman, yes. Pretty much all systems have that logic built in :)	16:37
dobey	felipec: trying to make stuff work inside scratchbox	16:37
felipec	X-Fade_: is there a bug report for that?	16:37
shackan	I tought keeping it plugged would actually damage the battery, now I hear it's the opposite..	16:38
X-Fade_	felipec: Can't find one, but maybe you guys already have it in the internal bugzilla ;)	16:38
X-Fade_	felipec: Which I can't see..	16:38
alterego	shackan, don't worry about it. You can't completey drain the battery anyway :P	16:38
felipec	dobey: oh that's cool, I'm glad I don't have to work so much on scratchbox 1 though	16:38
lardman	X-Fade_: add it anyway, more exposure, etc.	16:38
shackan	alterego: so, when I'm not around, can I keep it on wall power ?	16:39
alterego	Sure	16:39
X-Fade_	Can someone confirm if they see the artifacts too?	16:39
GeneralAntilles	shackan, that's an issue with laptops that run really hot.	16:39
dobey	felipec: yeah, things are easier when you have infinite devices at your request :)	16:39
alterego	Though, it's a bit of a waste. The device should be able to stay on for days without charging it ..	16:39
GeneralAntilles	NITs don't actually generate much in the way of heat.	16:39
alterego	As long as it's not doing anything.	16:39
shackan	aww, great	16:39
dobey	felipec: i don't think my n800 would be happy if i tried to build webkit on it though	16:39
X-Fade_	GeneralAntilles: Try running vagalume ;)	16:40
X-Fade_	GeneralAntilles: Makes it nice and warm.	16:40
cosmo__	li-poly's don't have any memory effect, so charge as you wish. they start losing capacity when they leave factory (even if not used)	16:40
alterego	Heh, a USB ethernet adapter that supports "wake-on-lan" that sounds like a bit of a joke to me ^_^	16:40
shackan	I'll use it a lot more then	16:40
shackan	:)	16:40
GeneralAntilles	Just leave it plugged in when you're at home.	16:41
shackan	well, not always	16:41
alterego	Yeah, mine's pluggin in when I'm at home/work.	16:41
shackan	but it's easier than dragging your laptop ad night to bed just to read something	16:41
alterego	It's only disconnected when I'm mobile :)	16:41
lardman	cosmo__: ok, thanks	16:41
GeneralAntilles	Then you always have it charged when you need it.	16:41
alterego	Yup	16:41
X-Fade_	OS2008 now has a nice environmental message when full. 'Please unplug charger' ;)	16:41
alterego	Keepin' it topped up is a good idea.	16:42
shackan	X-Fade_: don't even get GeneralAntilles started on that :)	16:42
X-Fade_	Although, they display that _when_ your remove the charger..	16:42
alterego	Hah	16:42
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felipec	dobey: heh, I meant I prefer scratchbox 2	16:42
fysa	anyone get evince running on os2008 yet?	16:42
alterego	GeneralAntilles, did you do the test to see if displaying that banner wastes more energy than having a fully charged unit plugged in? :)	16:42
inz	X-Fade, it means you should disconnect the charger from the other end too	16:42
GeneralAntilles	Haha	16:42
dobey	felipec: scratchbox 2?	16:42
GeneralAntilles	Probably. :P	16:42
X-Fade_	inz: yeah ;)	16:42
shackan	inz: right	16:43
X-Fade_	inz: They should just make chargers that don't use power when idle..	16:43
X-Fade_	If they'd really care..	16:43
lardman	ones with a switch you mean?	16:43
alterego	X-Fade_, nokia chargers do that :P	16:43
GeneralAntilles	My point exactly, X-Fade_!	16:43
cosmo__	why don't they put power button to charger.. it's way too much effort to remove it from socket ;)	16:43
X-Fade_	Just add some relais..	16:43
felipec	dobey: yeap, very clean and easy, but I haven't tried a full Maemo SDK in there... maybe it's not ready yet for that	16:43
alterego	The standard Nokia chargers use basically no power when they're not charging the device.	16:44
GeneralAntilles	Vote, vote, vote! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285	16:44
X-Fade_	alterego: I'm pretty sure they still use power..	16:44
lardman	I'm off home to use dsp_dld	16:44
lardman	felipec: thanks for your help	16:44
lardman	bbl	16:44
alterego	X-Fade_, they do. But it's a _very_ small amount. They might aswell be off.	16:44
shackan	lardman: keep us posted :)	16:44
inz	Why can't you unvote bugs	16:44
inz	boring	16:44
lardman	will do, will be back on once I get home & boot the build machine anyway	16:44
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X-Fade_	alterego: What is very small? A few Watts?	16:45
inz	As in "please don't fix this bug"	16:45
dobey	felipec: i don't know what "scratchbox 2" is :)	16:45
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alterego	X-Fade_, no, a few watts is lots.	16:45
dobey	felipec: all i see anywhere is "1.0.8 apophis r4"	16:45
alterego	X-Fade_, I've forgotten the figures. Hang on I'll get my plug monitor thingy.	16:45
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X-Fade_	alterego: Some of them feel warm even when not in use. They must use something..	16:45
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X-Fade_	alterego: Although the one I got with my N95 seems to behave better..	16:46
alterego	X-Fade_, rubbish. Not the switch-mode power supplies that come with the tablets.	16:46
alterego	And most phones ..	16:46
alterego	They don't even take much juice when they're charging.	16:46
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X-Fade_	alterego: I have had lots of Nokia's and have lots of chargers everywhere ;)	16:46
Screaming	Boy, that was nice! Swimming(well ok paddling) a couple of weeks b4 Xmas.	16:46
alterego	Ah :)	16:47
shackan	bedboi: hi	16:47
bedboi	hi there shackan	16:47
shackan	bedboi: do I read correctly you're at supélec ? congrats :D	16:48
bedboi	shackan: yep	16:48
shackan	cool	16:48
bedboi	i'll go back to italy on December 20th	16:48
shackan	I've read a lot about that place	16:48
Screaming	supélec?	16:49
alterego	Right, I'm ordering a USB A female to A female adapter. A USB ethernet adapter and a USB serial adapter.	16:49
bedboi	supelec	16:49
bedboi	Screaming: supelec actually	16:49
alterego	Ooo .. I think I'll get an IrDA adapter too.	16:49
bedboi	shackan: about what?	16:49
Screaming	Ok goigle is my friend.	16:49
shackan	bedboi: the school	16:49
Spakman_	hello - how do I specify commands to run at boot?	16:50
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alterego	Spakman_, create a boot script	16:50
* alterego chuckles.		16:50
Spakman_	:)	16:50
shackan	bedboi: may I ask what you're doing there?	16:50
bedboi	i'm doing research on time delay systems	16:51
alterego	Spakman_, seriously, create a "custom" init.d script stick it in the /etc/init.d directory and symlink it to the appropriate rcX.d directory.	16:51
alterego	Probably 'rc2.d' if you want to run commands when shutting down too a similar scheme can be employed.	16:51
bedboi	shackan: actually it's a cross field, it's in between time-delay systems and networking	16:52
felipec	dobey: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2	16:52
felipec	dobey: it's a totally new beast	16:52
alterego	Neat, a USB -> 2x PS/2 unit. That'd be cool, could plug in a keyboard _and_ a mouse.	16:52
Spakman_	wicked, thanks alterego	16:52
alterego	I'm going crazy ordering USB devices ..	16:52
shackan	bedboi: cool, in a completely unrelated note, when I started using westwood congestion control at home I discovered your lab implemented it, cool stuff	16:52
bedboi	yep, i'm currently workin' on it	16:53
dobey	felipec: oh	16:53
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bedboi	shackan: we hope to release a gigabit version in some time	16:53
alterego	Christmas is going to be very fun this year ^_^	16:54
alterego	I'm gonna be plugging my N8X0's into each other.	16:54
Screaming	allterego! Thats incest.	16:55
Screaming	s/ll/l damn the n800 vkb	16:56
alterego	Heh	16:56
shackan	bedboi: what are france and italy like to a researcher? (compared to italy)	16:56
shackan	s/italy/USA/	16:56
infobot	shackan meant: bedboi: what are france and USA like to a researcher? (compared to italy)	16:56
dobey	felipec: i just want stuff to work :)	16:56
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bedboi	shackan: USA is more application oriented, whereas France is more theoretical oriented	16:56
shackan	(I know it's non of my business but I'm actually interested)	16:57
shackan	s/non/none/ damn	16:57
bedboi	i'm ok with both of them, being both a theoretical guy and a developer	16:57
felipec	dobey: depending on what stuff you are working on sb2 might be better... but I guess you should wait until it comes with the Maemo SDK... if that happens at all	16:57
bedboi	the bad part of france are the fu**ing strikes	16:57
X-Fade_	felipec: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2502	16:57
dobey	felipec: i just spent so much time getting the current sbox stuff working :(	16:58
shackan	uh? well usually italy is far worse in that regard (maybe not right now)	16:58
bedboi	AH!	16:58
bedboi	shackan: last time paris was totally stuck for 9 days	16:58
melmoth	and it s going to be same wednesday apparently....	16:59
shackan	bedboi: but I doesn't happen once a month like here	16:59
alterego	Hmm .. If I get a decent power supply for my mini 4 port HUB. And a USB->Nokia charger connector. I can have powered USB and charger with only one wall plug.	16:59
alterego	That'd be nice.	16:59
shackan	alterego: powering the nokia via usb?	17:00
bedboi	shackan: you are wrong. They announced the third strike in 2 months	17:00
alterego	shackan, yeah.	17:00
Screaming	Anyone know who devs XChat? It's great, shoots pidgin in the head, but I want cut and paste from the log window.	17:00
bedboi	alterego: italian strikes are "soft", French guys have french revolution in mind.	17:00
shackan	alterego: n810 only, I assume?	17:00
bedboi	a/alterego/shackan	17:00
alterego	PSU->USB hub<->N8X0	17:00
alterego	No, it'll work for the N800 too.	17:00
felipec	X-Fade_: ew, you are right	17:01
alterego	I'm looking for a USB->Nokia Power Plug	17:01
shackan	bedboi: mmkay, all I know is that at least once in a month I couldn't go to class unless I used the car	17:01
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X-Fade_	felipec: Looks like yuv decoding. Color looks scaled and n+1 or something like that ;)	17:01
alterego	Oooo .. A DVB USB dongle ..	17:02
alterego	Watching DVB on my N800 would be neat.	17:02
bedboi	shackan: it took like 4 hours to get from charles de gaulle to paris, so now you can figure out how strikes are bad in paris	17:02
shackan	ouch	17:02
felipec	X-Fade_: indeed	17:04
alterego	Hah, "VoIP USB handset" ^_^	17:05
alterego	Imagine plugging that into a tablet: http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=49125&doy=7m12	17:08
shackan	haha	17:09
alterego	"Acccess WiFi networks from outer-space"	17:09
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alterego	"Boost your tablet's wireless range to the Orion Nebulae"	17:10
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Khertan	Grrrr one hour to make a methode to convert macroman to utf8 in 4D !	17:11
Khertan	stupid language !	17:11
wumpus	that's very useful for hitchhikers to the galaxy, I guess :P	17:11
shackan	I'm already using a wireless network 200m from here, indoors, without problems	17:11
X-Fade_	felipec: Change the url to 48 and see the effect in a different way..	17:11
Screaming	Alterego: You might manage it if you sat in the middle of a the Arecibo radio telescope	17:12
alterego	Hah	17:12
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alterego	Not seen one of these before: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135027	17:12
Screaming	Given 1000 years or so for a reply	17:12
Khertan	bedboi > and don't mind to go to the sud of paris to the north ... 5 hours !!!	17:12
Khertan	3.5km	17:12
bedboi	Khertan: yep, so cool.	17:13
Khertan	if i know ... i go with my foot ...	17:13
Khertan	RAPT ... Rentre Avec Tes Pieds !	17:13
bedboi	Khertan: so prepare for 12 :)	17:13
bedboi	ahahha	17:13
alterego	Ooo, 2 port USB KVM, That'd be handy for multiple tablets.	17:14
Khertan	(hum ... and it just a part of my travel ... i work in the south of Paris and live at the far north of it) (60km of public transport ... it s also why i ve make a python onboard editor :) )	17:14
alterego	I think I'm gonna mock up a "tablet users christmas gift list" website :)	17:17
alterego	Of course the N810 will be at the top ..	17:17
* alterego chuckles. "Portable USB floppy drive" ^)^]		17:20
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felipec	X-Fade_: yeap, I can see that too, I've filled internal bug reports for those	17:20
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X-Fade_	felipec: Ok, thanks ;)	17:21
lardman	felipec: I see the deps for osso-dsp-loader are wrong, it wants rx-34-kernel-headers, but this doesn't exist and is probably called linux-kernel-headers	17:21
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lardman	or perhaps there should be a package called rx-34-kernel-headers rather than linux-kernel-headers	17:23
felipec	lardman: nope, rx-34 is supposed to be internal nomenclature =/	17:24
lardman	there are some packages in there that match rx-34-*	17:24
lardman	and in fact the kernel source is one of them	17:25
lardman	iirc	17:25
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Screaming	Kertan: pardon the swim break..problem abou ksgu/python is "Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break."	17:25
Screaming	s/ksgu/kagu/	17:26
infobot	Screaming meant: Kertan: pardon the swim break..problem abou kagu/python is "Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break."	17:26
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felipec	lardman: hmm, right, that needs to be fixed	17:27
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lardman	felipec: cool, just thought I'd let you know	17:28
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lardman	hmm :) after asking for the dsp_dld source, it now dawn on me that the info I needed is in the error message anyway	17:31
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lardman	http://maemo.pastebin.com/m369572a6 shows a "text" section exists in the module with a size of 0x2d, where might that come from?	17:32
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VRe	Is there nice way to save/load data from python so that bash script can accept it also (VALUE="what ever")? .. traditional settings file format ..	17:34
shackan	lardman: you mean what's in that section? do you have the linker script?	17:34
lardman	shackan: the dsp linker script? the .cmd file?	17:35
kulve	lardman: why do you want the source for dsp_dld?	17:35
lardman	kulve: I thought I wanted to add some more debugging comments to it	17:36
lardman	kulve: it turns out I was just misreading the debugging output it had already produced	17:36
kulve	have you tried if the "upstream" version works?	17:36
melmoth	VRE http://pastebin.com/m245f8304	17:36
lardman	kulve: yes, wouldn't compile, but we have the oss source anyway, was named something I didn't look for	17:36
Khertan	Screaming > arf ... of course ... but python package are available on maemo repository ...	17:37
melmoth	VRE you may want to get rid of lines 13 and 14	17:37
lardman	"section text: could not find directive. placing it to default memory (DARAM)." was the message, I read it as "this is the section text: ..." rather than "section: text: this is the message"	17:37
shackan	lardman: I don't know how they named it, but there usually is a script in ld(1) syntax which describes what goes where	17:37
VRe	melmoth: thanks	17:38
lardman	shackan: The dsp is a bit funny, you link an object file into the kernel, then strip the kernel out of the object file, then it's dynamically loaded at run-time via dsp_dld	17:38
lardman	strip kernel out of the resultant object file that should read	17:38
shackan	what the.. ?	17:39
lardman	anyway "text" shouldn't exist, ".text" should	17:39
melmoth	VRE you may have to add bit to hande quote in variable , i havent used that.	17:40
shackan	yes, at least usually, maybe the dsp doesn't use the same naming :)	17:40
VRe	melmoth: I think I'll will make quotes illegal in my input, simpler life :)	17:41
shackan	lardman: can you list the sections? like readelf -S ?	17:41
lardman	int memmgr_placetask() in dld_memmgr.c is the function in question	17:41
lardman	shackan: probably, let me have a look	17:41
alterego	Hmm .. What's the kernel source package name? I can't find it because I'm retarded.	17:42
lardman	rx-34-something	17:43
shackan	(44 for the 810)	17:43
alterego	Okay ..	17:43
lardman	hmm, think it's still called 34 in the repo though	17:44
alterego	Okay	17:44
lardman	shackan: can't find any docs, here are the names: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m55741901	17:45
* lardman is sure he's seen some docs somewhere...		17:47
alterego	Heh .. If I get a high capacity laptop battery, I could power my mini HUB, along with all peripherals, _and_ my table with the USB to Nokia charger adapter.	17:47
alterego	That would be nice.	17:47
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shackan	lardman: mm, I meant `readelf -S /lib/dsp/modules/ivorbisidec.o`	17:47
lardman	shackan: I know, but it's not in elf format	17:48
shackan	ah	17:48
shackan	objdump -x then? :D	17:48
lardman	or dis55 in my lingo	17:48
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shackan	ah	17:49
lardman	good call though	17:49
dobey	huh	17:49
lardman	badly named piece of asm	17:49
lardman	missed off the . in the section location	17:49
lardman	thanks	17:49
lardman	right, rebuilt again, will test after the pub :)	17:52
lardman	bbl	17:52
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penguinbait	its pub time :)	17:53
penguinbait	Guiness for all	17:53
penguinbait	Nice tall draught	17:53
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penguinbait	Cheers!!	17:54
guardian	i just had a crazy idea	17:55
guardian	my old P3 box died with my apache , trac and subversion servers	17:56
guardian	could a tablet be used as a personal server :D	17:56
guardian	?	17:56
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dragorn	technically yes	17:57
lopz	re	17:58
alterego	I'd get a USB IDE cable though ..	17:58
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alterego	That way you can have nice storage and you don't cane the flash.	17:58
guardian	yep	17:59
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zoran	or some linksys nas?	18:00
Vulc\|Bleh	Does anyone know if midnight commander has been ported to 2008 yet?	18:06
GeneralAntilles	The bore version should work fine.	18:07
GeneralAntilles	*Bora	18:07
Vulc\|Bleh	Hmm. Do you know where I'd find that? I was looking, though I'm probably braindead from not sleeping well.	18:07
shackan	argh, maemo-statusbar-usbnet was removed from 4.0	18:07
GeneralAntilles	http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?dir=&file=mc_4.6.1-2_armel.deb	18:08
Vulc\|Bleh	Thanks	18:09
Khertan	OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!! Still not yet python binding for hildon-desktop ...... snif	18:10
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GeneralAntilles	Your google-fu is weak, young Padawan learner. :)	18:12
Vulc\|Bleh	Heh, yeah.	18:12
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Khertan	GeneralAntilles ?	18:13
Vulc\|Bleh	he was talking to me	18:13
Vulc\|Bleh	pretty sure.	18:13
alterego	Khertan, migrate to Ruby-maemo :P	18:13
alterego	Like I said the other day ..	18:14
Khertan	alterego> grrrr	18:14
Khertan	:)	18:14
Khertan	Vulc\|Bleh > i want to believe ....	18:14
Vulc\|Bleh	Do you now. Athiesm has more perks.	18:14
zoran	alterego, python is must_have	18:14
alterego	python doesn't have the ability to make desktop applets yet ..	18:14
Khertan	alterego > can we execute python in ruby ?	18:15
alterego	Even though it's been in the SVN for months	18:15
zoran	who needs desktop apps? :)	18:15
Khertan	alterego> ruby hasn't the ability to execute python code :)	18:15
Khertan	zoran> i don't need the app, i need the binding to create it :)	18:15
alterego	Khertan, that's a feature python code isn't as good as ruby code ..	18:15
Vulc\|Bleh	Meh, Quetoo needs to be ported to 2008 soon.	18:15
Khertan	:)	18:15
zoran	ah, python moves space crafts	18:16
Screaming	Khertan: Yep "remote end closed connection" on every python related dowwload. Gonna give up on application manager and wget everything myself	18:16
Khertan	alterego > i know it s in the svn ... but i don't have the ability to compile it ... i get many errors anywhere	18:16
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Khertan	Screaming > strange .. i haven't this problem	18:17
alterego	Khertan, bug the pymaemo developer/s	18:17
alterego	It's really dumb it hasn't been incorporated into the package yet ..	18:18
bedboi	so now n810 is in a lot of nokia shops (usa, spain, france), btw the discount codes do not work yet... any eta on this?	18:18
Screaming	Bummer. Time for yet another reflash:-(. alerego: time for the Ruby python module"	18:19
zoran	encrypted and hidden?	18:19
alterego	I wouldn't use python on the device. Why would I want to add support for it?	18:20
Khertan	alterego > it s not developped by pymaemo developers ... but by lucasr ... from nokia ...	18:20
* alterego continues shopping for tablet accessories.		18:20
alterego	Khertan, that's no excuse ..	18:20
alterego	It's up to the pymaemo developers, so bug them if you want a feature.	18:21
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Khertan	alterego > yes, but i don't like to boring open source developpers which create software for free ... :)	18:21
zoran	???	18:22
GeneralAntilles	Why a reflas, Screaming?	18:22
Khertan	Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break.	18:22
GeneralAntilles	s/reflas/reflash	18:22
Khertan	grrr	18:22
alterego	Khertan, then you'll likely never get your pymaemo software improved.	18:22
Khertan	two minutes before ... this bug tracker working ....:(	18:23
Khertan	alterego > yes i know	18:23
Screaming	GA I reckon I've probably hacked this one to death. No problem: I gotta copy on MMC.	18:23
alterego	Khertan, well stop complaining about it if you're not prepared to do anything to improve your situation ..	18:24
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Khertan	alterego> in fact i ve post a mail on the mailing list ... and i ve contacted directly lucasr ...	18:24
alterego	Why would lucas help?	18:25
Khertan	who said that it ll be available this week ... it s why i m waiting	18:25
alterego	He's not pymaemo ..	18:25
Khertan	alterego> no but it's the developpers of this binding ...	18:25
alterego	-_-	18:25
Khertan	but yes once the tracker will be available again ... i ll post a report	18:25
alterego	I can't find the kernel source.	18:26
Khertan	s/it/he	18:26
alterego	It doesn't appear to be anywhere in apt-cache O_O	18:26
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Khertan	alterego > does the binding for ruby are simple ?	18:28
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alterego	Khertan, extremely.	18:29
Khertan	maybe i should do it myself :)	18:29
alterego	Or you could compile the one that's already available ..	18:29
Khertan	alterego > i ve tryed :)	18:30
Khertan	but unsuccesfull	18:30
alterego	Oh, well that's a shame. Why don't you try harder :P	18:30
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Khertan	because its a compile error	18:31
Khertan	and don't understand why....	18:31
zoran	error messaage?	18:31
Khertan	it s related to a bug with qemu ...if i understand	18:31
zoran	ah!	18:31
alterego	Oh, it uses python to compile it.	18:32
alterego	I posted a fix for that on the mailing list.	18:32
Khertan	it s a stupid makefile ... !	18:32
Khertan	i hate auto*	18:32
alterego	Or you could use the eabi qemu package ..	18:32
Khertan	yes once i ve understand how to install it...	18:35
Khertan	and once i ve found how i can resolv my dns problem under the sdk vmware or how to install xephyr on the last ubuntu distribution	18:36
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Khertan	last commit on 2007-08-22 .... seems a bit abandonned	18:37
X-Fade_	Hmm nice. I am now using my N95 as BT GPS for my N800 with Maemo Mapper ;)	18:37
Khertan	there is more file for compilation than for the module ... lol	18:39
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L0cutus	anyone have ported 'pan' newsgroup reader to os2008 ?	18:40
felipec_	alterego: is the kernel source supposed to be there? this probably should be on the public omap tree	18:40
alterego	felipec_, yes. I've found it now.	18:41
alterego	kernel-source-rx-34	18:41
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felipec_	alterego: hm, I don't have it in my Chinook =/	18:42
alterego	Check your apt/sources.list file ..	18:43
alterego	There's a kernel compilation how to on the maemo website.	18:43
Khertan	bye ...	18:46
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Jaffa	Morning, all	18:58
L0cutus	ciao Jaffa (18.00 here ;)	18:59
Jaffa	16:58 here, was using UGT ;-)	19:00
L0cutus	hehe	19:00
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zoran	hah, more than 20 Mb	19:32
alterego	I meant compile actually ..	19:32
alterego	I've got 400M left on my /scratchbox partition O_O	19:33
zoran	really need that?	19:33
alterego	I don't know :P	19:33
alterego	I couldn't compile microb ..	19:33
zoran	vi is fine for most people	19:33
alterego	vi sucks.	19:33
zoran	hm!	19:33
alterego	I'd rather use nano ..	19:34
Fatal	vi <3 <3	19:34
Fatal	figures	19:34
zoran	R.Stallman would like alterego	19:34
alterego	R.Stallman worships me :P	19:35
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zoran	someone saw user manual for e51? none on nokia site	19:35
alterego	He loves me and my rubyz	19:35
zoran	ah, RS is in no relationship with love or hate	19:35
zoran	he uses some argentinian distro and probably no graphics	19:36
alterego	I'm gonna go late night accessory shopping.	19:36
alterego	This is my shopping list: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/christmas_list.html	19:36
zoran	woodoo candle for n810?	19:36
alterego	OABI compat?	19:38
alterego	Interesting ..	19:38
alterego	Hmm .. No MISC binary support either .. That's un expected.	19:39
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inz	I wonder whose WLAN I am using...	19:42
alterego	Mine, get off :P	19:43
inz	Unlikely	19:45
inz	Oh well, the network I intended to use worked after all	19:45
inz	I probably just misspelled the WPA key	19:45
alterego	I'm glad I get cheap cell access. Gonna make the trip this weekend more fun.	19:46
inz	I think I could get mobile intternets for 9,99 e/month, but it would about triple my phone bill...	19:46
alterego	I just pay for a day of use.	19:47
alterego	£1 per day	19:47
alterego	Gives me up to 25M	19:47
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GeneralAntilles	What happens if you go over, alterego?	19:51
inz	$$$?	19:52
inz	Or, £££ in this case	19:52
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alterego	GeneralAntilles, it's pretty expensive, though not as bad as normal/	19:55
alterego	Unfortunately it's not HSCDA	19:56
alterego	Only GPRS/EDGE	19:56
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	19:57
GeneralAntilles	The key to using EDGE is to browse and do something else.	19:57
GeneralAntilles	Start loading a website	19:57
GeneralAntilles	then read a book for a little bit.	19:57
hugolp	alterego: thats the best mobile internet you can get in England?	19:57
alterego	Really? Why's that?	19:57
GeneralAntilles	Go back when the website's done.	19:57
alterego	Oh, hah	19:57
alterego	I thought you meant do something else that'll use the connection ;)	19:58
hugolp	in Spain we get 3G for 1'6 euros day (no limit)	19:58
alterego	hugolp, not really, but the UK data plans are pretty crap and that's a quite good deal seeing as I'm PAYG	19:58
hugolp	unfortunatelly the company offering that is young and only has 3G in big cities, the rest is GPRS	19:58
hugolp	but it should get better	19:59
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hugolp	I asumed that would be normal in England, as we allways get the good things years later	19:59
alterego	Neah, mobile internet isn't really that big out of 3G	20:00
* lardman has never considered using the internet over his mobile because it's too bloody expensive		20:01
alterego	lardman, those were my sentiments too. Until I found out about this cheap £1 for a day thing :)	20:01
* GeneralAntilles whistles quietly with his $20/mo unlimited 3G connection.		20:02
hugolp	lardman: 1.6 euros day its almos what a phoneline broadband conection costs in Spain	20:02
alterego	Yeah, I can get that for ~£16 p/m	20:02
hugolp	GeneralAntilles: where are you from?	20:02
alterego	But I pay that for broadband already ..	20:02
GeneralAntilles	Florida, USA. :)	20:02
hugolp	bah...	20:02
hugolp	XD	20:02
GeneralAntilles	Actually, that should be: 8)	20:02
alterego	I heard data plans in American were bad ..	20:03
GeneralAntilles	Or are these sunglasses? B)	20:03
alterego	That's pretty good.	20:03
hugolp	Ive read some things about Japan that make me feel ashame	20:03
GeneralAntilles	Meh, Japan has outrageous population density.	20:03
GeneralAntilles	The government is pouring cash into the tech industry, too.	20:03
GeneralAntilles	It's not as fluffy and wonderful as it sounds	20:04
GeneralAntilles	and certainly isn't sustainable (from an economic, not environmental point of view).	20:04
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lardman	I guess it depends how much you pay for your phone line rental (assuming you pay monthly like I do), for expensive plans (e.g. >£30) you tend to get more Mb of downloads	20:05
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GeneralAntilles	I've got a shared family plan with the folks.	20:05
alterego	Hmm .. why use a USB->RS232 dongle if the tablets already have an RS232 port ..	20:05
GeneralAntilles	$50/mo or so for a pool of 500 shared rollover minutes.	20:05
alterego	Well, serial port ..	20:05
GeneralAntilles	then $5 per additional line	20:06
hugolp	lardman: taxes inclued I pay in my house about 35 euros for the broadband and 15 euros for the line rental	20:06
lardman	GeneralAntilles: that works out ok	20:06
GeneralAntilles	Because it's easier to find and buy one of those than manufacturing a custom connector?	20:06
alterego	Yeah .. You're right there ;)	20:06
lardman	hugolp: for broadband + line rental I pay ~£21/month	20:06
hugolp	21 pounds is like 30 pounds...	20:07
hugolp	30 eruos*	20:07
alterego	Hah	20:07
hugolp	Spain is expensive	20:07
hugolp	in technology	20:07
alterego	I was gonna say. You're loop back exchange rate is a bit high ;)	20:07
GeneralAntilles	I've got an OBD-II reader hooked up to a bluetooth module for car diagnosis with my N800. :D	20:07
lardman	I've got a decent deal as I'm near a loop unbundled exchange	20:07
lardman	otehrwise I'd pay an extra £10	20:07
lardman	GeneralAntilles: I was thinking of getting one of those, how much was the OBD2-BT thingy?	20:08
GeneralAntilles	$130USD all told.	20:09
lardman	not bad	20:09
lardman	but here, it would probably be £130	20:09
alterego	I don't really understand those things.	20:09
alterego	And I don't drive ;)	20:09
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lardman	It sits there and listens on the On Board Diagnostics port, listens to ECU messages	20:09
GeneralAntilles	The computer will throw flags when there's something wrong.	20:10
GeneralAntilles	You can read those flags with an OBD-II reader	20:10
GeneralAntilles	Use CarMan plus the bluetooth module	20:10
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GeneralAntilles	look up the codes on the internet.	20:10
lardman	data are continually sent down the bus, including things like engine speed, throttle pos, and error codes	20:11
alterego	Is there something wrong with your dashboard?	20:11
GeneralAntilles	...	20:11
lardman	would have made some of my PhD work easier - to record the data and analyse the manoeuvres later	20:11
GeneralAntilles	You get info from the O2 sensors and such, too.	20:11
GeneralAntilles	alterego, my dashboard has about a dozen lights	20:11
GeneralAntilles	maybe 5 of them are sometimes useful	20:12
alterego	Interesting	20:12
lardman	otherwise, if you want vehicle data you need to instrument the car yourself	20:12
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GeneralAntilles	and the rest of the flags get thrown into the generic "check engine" light.	20:12
GeneralAntilles	So, if an O2 sensor fails	20:12
GeneralAntilles	then the "check engine" light comes on.	20:12
GeneralAntilles	Which doesn't tell me anything	20:12
GeneralAntilles	With the OBD-II scanner, I can read the flags and see that there's something amiss with the O2 sensor (and which one, as there are often several).	20:13
GeneralAntilles	Saves me a trip to the mechanic. :)	20:13
lardman	can you write to the obd bus? override the throttle position for example?	20:14
GeneralAntilles	Not with Carman	20:14
GeneralAntilles	Doubtful with anything else.	20:14
lardman	that would be useful, otherwise you need an ecu replacement	20:15
lardman	from a university testing perspective at least	20:15
GeneralAntilles	I don't have the cash for tuning of any sort. :P	20:16
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lardman	GeneralAntilles: ah no, not tuning, research	20:16
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I know.	20:16
GeneralAntilles	But I don't have any reason to be doing research, either.	20:17
lardman	lol	20:17
lardman	nor do I anymore	20:17
lardman	well the vorbis dsp task runs, and complains that the ogg file I'm sending it is "Input does not appear to be an Ogg bitstream."	20:17
alterego	Interesting the kernel already has USB ethernet support :)	20:17
lardman	they compiled in a number of useful modules (from looking at the initial dmesg output)	20:18
alterego	Not USB_SERIAL ..	20:19
lardman	a finite number ;)	20:19
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lardman	I'd like to use the address of a structure which is declared globally in one file like so: struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec =	20:27
lardman	{	20:27
lardman	blah }	20:27
lardman	but even if I do: extern struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec; I'm getting bus errors	20:28
lardman	Is this expected, or just a curiosity of the DSP?	20:28
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* alterego plays around with encrypted FS support for his tablet.		20:31
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bedboi	alterego: using fuse?	20:33
alterego	No, CRYPTOLOOP	20:33
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alterego	I'm doing fuse too ..	20:33
shackan	alterego: how do I enable it tough?	20:34
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alterego	You compile the module like me :P	20:34
alterego	Or wait for me to release a package.	20:34
alterego	I want to integrate with the system properly. So it prompts for a password when mounting the device and it shows up in the file manager properly.	20:35
alterego	But we'll see.	20:35
shackan	alterego: sorry, I mean the usb networking	20:36
alterego	Oh, you need to first enable usb host mode, then buy a USB->Ethernet adapter.	20:36
alterego	Other than that I don't know. As I've not got a USB ethernet adapter yet.	20:37
shackan	uh? can't use the usb cable as is?	20:37
alterego	How would you plug it into an ethernet port?	20:37
alterego	O_O	20:37
alterego	If you're talking about the USB networking mode .. Then that's in there too.	20:37
shackan	I don't want to, I've got plenty of usb ports (and my only ethernet is taken)	20:37
alterego	search for g_ether shackan	20:38
alterego	The apropriate modules are already installed by default in OS2008. So it's just a matter of setting it up and configuring it.	20:38
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alterego	You don't need to be in host mode either I don't think.	20:38
shackan	alright, I hoped there was a panel applet to do that, silly me	20:39
alterego	Well, I plan on writing one if that's of any help ;)	20:39
shackan	totally :)	20:40
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shackan	ouch, it's fugly to set up	20:44
Vulc\|Bleh	Does anyone know if mplayer works on 2008 yet?	20:52
alterego	It's in the repository.	20:52
Vulc\|Bleh	Did not see it, do you know which repo?	20:52
alterego	The repository.	20:53
alterego	I don't know.	20:53
alterego	It's in one of them.	20:53
lardman	kulve: when you were suffering from poll errors, did they produce bus errors in your arm-side code?	20:53
lardman	Vulc\|Bleh: yes it does	20:53
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kulve	lardman: iirc, no	20:55
lardman	kulve: I see a poll error message then I get a bus error	20:55
lardman	kulve: anyway, perhaps they're not related	20:55
kulve	did you tried poll disabling?	20:58
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lardman	kulve: The error occurs before hand, it appears that my code doesn't correctly kill itself it this happens	20:59
kulve	poll_disable(task)	20:59
kulve	ok	20:59
lardman	kulve: yeah, I should really sort it out so it returns rather than waiting to be killed	20:59
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K`zan	Wonder if the n800 will drive a usb->serial converter? Anyone know?	21:12
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K`zan	Would be nice for some ham radio apps :-)	21:13
alterego	K`zan, it should do yes.	21:13
alterego	One of the indt guys I believe has had luck without having to use an external power supply.	21:14
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JZA	hi anyone can help me out solving a problem with ncurses	21:15
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JZA	I am trying to install a different ncurses-bin	21:15
JZA	I got the following output	21:15
JZA	http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258039	21:15
* alterego burps.		21:16
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JZA	anyone here?	21:20
lardman	can you force the install somehow?	21:20
JZA	lardman: well if you see the output I got a problem with a program called clear	21:21
lardman	kulve: do you know how to return an error to the arm-side from the dsp via the ioctls?	21:21
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JZA	I am not sure what clear is or where does it depends on it	21:21
lardman	is there a --force switch (or similar) for dpkg?	21:21
JZA	lardman: I guess	21:21
JZA	unfortunately I dont use debian and maemo doesn't has a man	21:21
JZA	but google help	21:21
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JZA	itseems is --force-XXX	21:23
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K`zan	alterego: Thanks, that is exciting, now to find adapers for mini-usb-> regular. May have to make them...	21:23
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Screaming	Cool, the backup/restore apps thingy on 2008 seems to make life almost easy.	21:25
lardman	dpkg install --force-overwrite blah.deb	21:25
lardman	or first of all: dpkg install --force blah.deb	21:26
lardman	JZA: that's what I'd try anyway	21:26
JZA	lardman: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258056	21:27
JZA	same problem	21:27
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alterego	K`zan, I'm just buying an A-female to A-female adapter.	21:29
alterego	They're about £5	21:29
lardman	I wonder why you get: "#	21:29
lardman	mv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/clear': No such file or directory	21:29
lardman	oop	21:29
lardman	copy and paste errors ;)	21:29
lardman	but then also get: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/clear', which is also in package busybox	21:30
lardman	JZA: I don;t know, sorry. Debian packaging isn't really my forte	21:30
JZA	well the problem really is here	21:30
JZA	catching the return	21:31
JZA	is there a log for dpkg	21:31
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JZA	lardman: it says: post-removal script returned error exit status 2	21:31
geoffeg	Any information on embedded the mozilla rendering engine in my own application?	21:31
JZA	is there a way of knowing more info about why it failed	21:31
lardman	there may be a -V switch to make it more verbose, I don't know though	21:32
lardman	supper time	21:32
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geoffeg	stop, supper time	21:32
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alterego	geoffeg, look into gtkmozembed	21:37
geoffeg	will do	21:37
geoffeg	alterego: i was mostly wondering if the moz engine on the device had the required includes and such to be extensible	21:38
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alterego	It has the library.	21:39
alterego	But you need to compile the dev package.	21:39
alterego	As it's not in the maemo repository.	21:40
geoffeg	so do i need to build the dev packages manually?	21:41
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geoffeg	i'm really trying to figure out how i want to do this.. I want to build a better RSS reader.. In some ways I think it'd be very simple to create a web-based RSS reader that uses perl and a simple perl web server on the device. The nokia tablets already have perl and it wouldn't take much perl to make a good RSS reader..	21:42
geoffeg	I've already got liferea and frothing compiled and mostly working but they use gtkhtml..	21:42
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alterego	There is no Perl Gtk/Hildon library for maemo.	21:44
geoffeg	right, but i wouldn't need it.. the interface to the RSS reader would be the web browser.	21:44
geoffeg	and since most of RSS is viewing HTML.. why not use the web browser?	21:45
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alterego	So why would you need to embed gtk into an app?	21:45
alterego	You're not doing that at all ..	21:45
geoffeg	alterego: well that's what i'm trying to figure out.. do i go with the perl/web browser approach or do i get liferea working better?	21:45
geoffeg	the liferea port to maemo needs some interface changes, integration with mozilla, etc	21:46
* alterego contemplates getting a 160G 2.5" USB drive.		21:47
alterego	I could take all my work around with me and use it in whatever machine I happen to be infront of ..	21:48
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alterego	It'd be neat.	21:48
geoffeg	alterego: i've got a 40GB 2.5 USB drive, quite handy for bigger files	21:48
geoffeg	I use it with my laptop.. all my games are on it	21:48
alterego	Cool.	21:48
alterego	Have you used it with the tablet?	21:49
geoffeg	alterego: no, i haven't done any of the work required to power a USB device off the tablet	21:49
geoffeg	alterego: i've got an 8GB SD card in my n800, still haven't come close to filling it up	21:49
alterego	I guess you don't have much music on there.	21:50
geoffeg	alterego: nope, got my ipod	21:50
* alterego spits		21:51
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	21:51
alterego	Bloody iCrap :P	21:51
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GeneralAntilles	I want my 128GB SD cards.	21:51
geoffeg	alterego: it works fine for me.. and the n800 has some sound issues when i use it in my car	21:51
alterego	pfft	21:52
GeneralAntilles	Seriously, alterego. It's just an MP3 player. ;)	21:52
alterego	Damn expensive MP3 player that's prone to breaking and the only reason it's sold so well is because people are fashion following freaks :P	21:53
geoffeg	alterego: my ipod has never broken or had a problem..	21:53
geoffeg	but yes, i'm fashionable, i bought the black one	21:53
geoffeg	I'M SO COOL!	21:53
K`zan	alterego: That, for some reason, makes sense :).	21:53
alterego	And don't get me started on the locked down interface and craptunes ..	21:53
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, neither have the 6 my family has had since the original 10GB.	21:53
geoffeg	GeneralAntilles: the original was 5GB :)	21:54
alterego	Hmm .. I new I should have bought that 6300 yesterday.	21:54
alterego	I could be playing with it right now :(	21:55
GeneralAntilles	The original-10GB	21:55
geoffeg	alterego: i want an n95 :)	21:55
GeneralAntilles	Not the original iPod, but the first 10GB model.	21:55
Vulc\|Bleh	I did not buy my ipod to be cool, or for fasion, etc. I bought it because it actually worked, unlike my Zen Vision.	21:55
alterego	geoffeg, I'm suprised you don't want an iCrap/Phone	21:55
Vulc\|Bleh	iPoo'd.	21:56
geoffeg	alterego: d00d! :)	21:56
alterego	Excuse you Vulc\|Bleh :P	21:56
rip__	there is #iphone	21:56
rip__	:P	21:56
rip__	to chat about how awesome they are	21:56
rip__	:P	21:56
kulve	lardman\|food: by returnin non-zero? I.e. MBCMD_EID_*?	21:56
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lardman	kulve: yes, or by calling cmderr()	21:58
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GeneralAntilles	Personally, I think Apple will end up doing a lot of good to spur the competition in the cellular market.	21:58
kulve	lardman: hmm.. ok.	21:59
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lardman	what I really need is a way for my vorbis thread, if there's an error, to close the task down	22:00
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Screaming	Thnx for advice re: python/kagu. Clearly it was my hackery cos they both came in fine. Someone ought to fix the fact you have to install gzip from Maemo Chinook to get python. And the fact you gotta the install python-cairo to get kagu. Its not newbie-obvious I guess.	22:00
lardman	either by returning some value to the arm-side that lets it know to close the device, or by calling some function to close the task, and then the arm-side will cause an error trying to write/read from the device file	22:00
GeneralAntilles	bz2 you mean, right, Screaming?	22:01
Screaming	GA: Sorry, quite right - bzip2	22:01
GeneralAntilles	and it's from Bora, extras, no?	22:02
GeneralAntilles	Everything should go 100% if you have both Chinook and Bora extras.	22:03
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kulve	lardman: Want to try again installing the ogg-support 0.4?	22:12
kulve	lardman: same url, hopefully nothing caches it on your end..	22:12
lardman	kulve: let me see if I have the url in my n800 - I've moved location	22:13
lardman	installing now	22:13
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kulve	thx	22:14
lardman	the moment of truth.....	22:14
lardman	works :)	22:15
kulve	Great	22:15
kulve	but no id3/whatever metainfo on the oggs?	22:15
lardman	no icon in the filemanager tho	22:15
kulve	oh?	22:15
kulve	ah, yes	22:16
kulve	no icon	22:16
lardman	no, just name & duration	22:16
kulve	those just need to be renamed	22:16
kulve	it does know how to get the meta info too..	22:16
kulve	it just don't even try now	22:16
lardman	it may be that my clips have no data	22:17
lardman	they are just test samples for the dsp task	22:17
kulve	no, I don't see them either atm	22:17
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lardman	you should add an icon though, makes it easier to see the file	22:18
lardman	s	22:18
kulve	surew	22:18
kulve	-w	22:18
lardman	well done though :)	22:18
kulve	the icon just need to be named in the same way as the mime type and now it doesn't	22:18
lardman	why were you using libvorbisdec rather than libivorbisidec?	22:18
lardman	i.e. fp vs fixed point	22:19
Screaming	GeneralAntilles: The bzip2 one should go ok if you have the repos. The python-cairo may well be a missing dependency in the .deb cos I had to install it manually to get kagu going.	22:19
kulve	I though to include them both without thinking that the device could choose the wrong one..	22:19
kulve	and ofc it does..	22:19
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kulve	the reason was that I though that if somebody has a hardcoded pipeline using the fp version it would work too..	22:20
lardman	tremor is faster for vfp or non-vfp enabled machines, little point in using the floating point code	22:20
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kulve	sure	22:20
lardman	ah, I see	22:20
kulve	jmspeex: btw: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/05/13/ogg-support-02-speex/	22:21
kulve	jmspeex: I made some "benchmarking" when I added the speex, but those can be wrong too..	22:21
alterego	I wonder how easy it would be to get DVB on my tablet.	22:24
alterego	I think I'll buy a USB DVB dongle tomorrow and see.	22:24
shackan	that would rock	22:24
shackan	how much are they?	22:24
kulve	alterego: what about scaling the video? Don't it take too much cpu power?	22:25
alterego	About 40 USD me thinks.	22:25
lardman	have a look at the openzaurus/angstrom lot	22:25
alterego	kulve, no idea. I'll have to do some tests.	22:25
lardman	www.zaurususergroup.com	22:25
shackan	mmm, and even less in €	22:25
alterego	It's just an mpeg stream ..	22:25
kulve	alterego: yes, with so high bitrate that the tablet will choke on it	22:25
alterego	pfft	22:26
alterego	WEll see	22:26
kulve	you can try the same by loading the stream from a file..	22:26
lardman	e.g. http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18349&hl=dvb	22:27
lardman	hmm, I thought someone had got one to work	22:30
lardman	I'll ask CoreDump at some point over the weekend	22:31
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alterego	Cool	22:32
shackan	I tried a dvb stick from a former housemate of mine once, worked fine in kaffeine (which apparently was the only program which could tune to different channels)	22:32
shackan	I needed to download a piece of firmware tough	22:32
alterego	Well, I'm gonna get one regardless.	22:33
alterego	Just hope it's supported by Linux.	22:33
shackan	(of course that's on a laptop, tablets didn't exists at the time)	22:33
alterego	Lucky I own an internet tablet. I Can check when I'm in the store ;)	22:33
alterego	If it doesn't work with the tablet. It doesn't matter. I'll just use it with meh laptop.	22:33
shackan	uhm, how will you attach it?	22:34
alterego	I'll plug it into my mini powered hub	22:34
shackan	oh	22:34
alterego	I'm presuming it needs power. If not I'll just plug it directly in.	22:34
shackan	so you made/bought a cable? the default one is male on the "big" end	22:35
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alterego	No, I made and bought a female to female adapter	22:36
alterego	A custom cable would be pointless.	22:36
shackan	I see	22:36
alterego	This way I just need one cable for all USB stuff	22:36
alterego	Well, tomorrow I'm gonna buy a USB charger, USB to 10/100/1000 ethernet adapter and a DVB USB stick.	22:39
alterego	That'll keep me occupied for a while.	22:39
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GeneralAntilles	DVB on the tablets?	22:41
GeneralAntilles	That seems highly unlikely to work.	22:41
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alterego	"In early 2000, we were approached by Nokia with a proposal for a new standard Linux DVB API" .. What a coincidence ^_^	22:47
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GeneralAntilles	What format is DVB?	22:49
alterego	MPEG2	22:49
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GeneralAntilles	and you plan to decode that on a tablet?	22:51
alterego	I expect mplayer to	22:52
GeneralAntilles	What sort of bitrates are you talking about?	22:52
alterego	I don't know, I'm reading up on it now	22:53
alterego	I want one for my laptop anyhow. Playing around with it on the tablet is just a gimic :P	22:54
alterego	Depending on it's performance, I might continue it and create a maemo-tv project.	22:54
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=105771#post105771	22:55
GeneralAntilles	Cheapy for any Canadians	22:55
alterego	+	22:56
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lardman\|afk	alterego: You should be able to find a list of compatible chipsets, also from reading, some seem to not output mpeg2 but need to be encoded by the softeare on the PC	23:01
alterego	Yes, I know.	23:02
alterego	That's why I said it's handy having a tablet. I can just go to the shop tomorrow, and if I find a good one check it up on the net whilst in the shop ..	23:03
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GeneralAntilles	I love doing that when shopping for movies or games.	23:12
GeneralAntilles	See something interesting, just pull up the amazon review.	23:12
alterego	:)	23:14
alterego	Yup	23:14
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GeneralAntilles	Love it at the grocery store, too.	23:16
GeneralAntilles	"I want to make meatloaf tonight"	23:16
GeneralAntilles	Pull up a recipe listing off google.	23:16
alterego	Yeah, I like doing that too.	23:17
alterego	I made a really nice thai curry the other week. All thanks to the tablet.	23:17
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lopz	re	23:18
alterego	Just walking around the super market and thought, hmm .. I fancy making a thai curry. So I got out my N800 and found a nice recipe and got the ingredients :)	23:18
shackan	alterego: unfortunately most of us just use the tablets as bulky media players most of the time	23:18
alterego	I was listening to Radiohead at the same time if that's what you mean ;)	23:19
GeneralAntilles	Ha	23:19
GeneralAntilles	My N800 almost makes air travel fun!	23:19
alterego	They are genius devices ..	23:19
sikahakki	I notice that os2007 got quite old kernel, is there more recent images 2.6.20 -> ? or can user compile own kernel?	23:20
GeneralAntilles	The seat and the tray table seem to combine into the least comfortable position for me, though.	23:20
alterego	Now, if I can find a cheap USB charger for my N800, I can use the powered mini hub and charge my tablet at the same time ..	23:20
GeneralAntilles	Set my N800 down on the tray and I have shooting neck pain within 30 minutes.	23:20
alterego	All through one wall plug/car plug	23:20
alterego	Jeez.	23:21
shackan	alterego: what I mean is that we're not blessed with everywhere connectivity	23:21
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alterego	I wouldn't say most shackan, you're probably one of the only ones :P	23:22
shackan	mmm	23:23
celesteh	i got a very cheap mini-usb->nokia adaptor. I can stick it on the end of a miniusb cable	23:23
GeneralAntilles	I am, shackan. :)	23:23
celesteh	i don't even have a charger for my n800 that works in my current country	23:23
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geoffeg	Wasn't that fun!	23:51
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GeneralAntilles	Let's do it again!	23:52
ds3	anyone think more price drops are expected for the N800?	23:52
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geoffeg	i wouldn't think so, the thing is already pretty cheap	23:53
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, ds3, highly unlikely.	23:55
GeneralAntilles	Especially when you consider the 770's price trends.	23:55
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ds3	guess it is time to strike... running out of memory on the 770 is getting old ;)	23:57
GeneralAntilles	ds3, you have no idea how much better the N800 is than the 770.	23:58
ds3	GeneralAntilles: 2 things that immediately would be good for me - real SD slots, more memory; the Google ad crap is a big minus though... anything I miss? (I know about the faster CPU, radio and camera)	23:59
alterego	Hmm, everytime ruby raises an exception it crashes hildon desktop ^_^	23:59
alterego	I'm gonna have to fix that me thinks ..	23:59
glass_	hehe	23:59
glass_	well it would force devs to catch exceptions no?-)	23:59
alterego	Maybe make it pop up a dialog with the exception details in it. That would be useful.	23:59
glass_	not too friendly tho	23:59

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