IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-12-06

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halleyMeh, silly me, tried to reboot while I was away from my computer; it failed to boot.00:02
halleyNow I have to figure out why.00:03
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timelessis there any way to make sed use something other than // as the regexp delim?00:14
|Rtoo many \/ ? :)00:15
halleytimeless, sure, use perl ;)00:16
halleytimeless, is your sed task just a one-liner with just one s/// ?00:16
timelesshalley: perl isn't included in older os's00:16
timelessi'm doing 2 greps and then 2 replaces00:16
halleyLike a PDP-11/4A?00:16
timelessand i don't want to require perl00:17
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|Rtimeless : what's the replacement? or the problem?00:17
timelessOLDUP='<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_scrollLineUp" />'00:17
timelessNEWUP='<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_movePageUp"/>'00:17
timelessthat'd be perl....00:17
timelessbut again, OLDUP is also fed to grep -F atm00:17
halleyYeah, painful.00:18
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halleysed doesn't have a \Q either.00:18
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timelessof course not :)00:18
timelessi guess i just double escape00:18
halleywhack back bo back, slash bash a wo dash...00:19
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* timeless cries00:21
timelesswould someone else please just make this shell magic for me? :)00:21
|Ri would?00:22
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|Ryou just want to match the full OLDUP and replace with the full NEWUP or can i use something smaller?00:22
timelessthe reason i'm using full strings is that i'm afraid their might be other random stuff in the file00:23
timelessand i don't want to change anything that's not *exactly* what i'm looking for00:23
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timelessthere's also an OLDDOWN and NEWDOWN of course00:23
timelesshas the various strings00:23
|R2 sec...00:24
halleyBy the way, timeless, you need a space before your slash in NEWUP.00:24
halleyI think "proper" xml requires a space before that />00:24
xantimeless, you can't do that from your editor or am I missing something?00:24
timeless"polite xhtml" requests a space00:24
halleyxan, he's scripting.00:24
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xanok, I was missing something then00:24
timelessxan: i'm .deb'ing00:24
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timelessxan: if i was local, i could use cp/scp and i wouldn't have any qualms about perl00:26
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halleytimeless, I would have done a (.)> in the pattern, and a \1> in the replacement.00:26
xantimeless, I think we ship perl "by mistake" in OS2008 or something, but maybe you already know this00:27
timelessxan: i think someone thought it was intentional00:27
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timelessbut either way, i want this to work in 2006/200700:27
|R| sed 's/<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_scrollLineUp" \/>/<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_movePageUp"\/>/'00:27
timelessso i don't care if perl is in or out for 200800:27
|Rthis doesn't work?00:27
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|R(testing on the OS2008b now... this was from a stock debian)00:27
timeless|r: it's not very "clean"00:27
timelessremember, there are two consumers00:27
timelessa grep to verify the lines exist00:28
timelessand a sed to replace them00:28
timelessif the grep says "i couldn't find X", it aborts00:28
timelessbut, presumably it'd work00:29
|Rwhy not use sed -e directly on the file ?00:29
|Rsed can edit files...00:29
|Ryou won't have to use grep00:29
timelessthe constraints are readability00:29
timelessand verifying that the file is in a correct state before munging it00:29
timelessif the file is in an unexpected state, i don't want to munge it partway00:30
|Rlet me look at the bug report :)00:30
timelessthe bug report doesn't mention such details :)00:30
|Rhehe ok00:30
|Rthen... what are the variables?00:30
timelessit just has all the strings :)00:30
timelessthose you can get from the bug report :)00:30
|Rok and it this has to be readable because ... ?00:31
|R(i find it readable, but then again i did way too many bash hacks ;)00:31
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timelessnormally only i can read my own scripts00:32
timelessit doesn't technically have to be readable, i suppose00:32
|Rit's to do a package that will fix it ?00:32
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|Ruhm kay... well, and the test you do is grep ?00:32
|Rand if so, how is a full match in sed different from grep ?00:33
timelessthe regexp could be valid for both sed and grep00:34
|Ryou said you didnt want to munch the file00:34
timelessthe key is that right00:34
timelessif the file doesn't have the lines i want changed00:34
timelesse..g it only has 1 of the 2 lines00:34
timelessthen i don't want to change it at all00:34
timelessi want to abort()00:34
|Roh ok00:34
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|Rthen grep both... and then sed the file00:34
timelessbut having each of those very long strings00:35
|Rsed both lines at the same time :)00:35
timelessbecomes fairly hard to read00:35
|Ryeah... do you just want to replace part of the command ?00:36
|Rlike verify you're in between brackets < /> ..00:36
|Rbut i'm not sure you can save much then00:36
timelessthe verification is that the entire lines are present00:36
|Rjust go with a full line, i don't see any real choice00:36
|Rugly lines require ugly lines to be fixed :)00:37
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* |R still has to succeed making a debian package to be able to package fixes ;)00:41
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timelessok, i think i got it00:47
timelessanyone wanna be my victim? :)00:47
|tbb|timeless whatsup00:49
timelesshrm, actually, one more change to make00:49
timelessgimme 10mins00:49
|tbb|for what00:50
* timeless ponders00:50
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timelesssilly question00:50
timelessif someone installs a package which enables 242300:50
timelessand then later chooses to deinstall it00:50
timelessdo i assume they want snav.enabled to be true again?00:50
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halleyI think the custom is to make a .bak on installation, and revert on deinstallation?00:51
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halleyOtherwise, if it was already enabled (the install was a noop), it would be a pita for deinstall to change things.00:52
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|Rwhere is the back stored?00:52
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timelessthat's not going to work00:52
timelessbecause other random prefs might have changed00:53
halleyWell look into it because I see .debbak or something like it...00:53
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halleyMaybe they don't use the backup but they leave it for clues.00:53
|Rtimeless : well just do the reverse sed00:53
timeless|r: that's easy for these two00:53
timelessthe question is for snav.enabled00:54
|Rwhat's that? :)00:54
timelesswhich someone could choose to enable/disable at will00:54
timelessit's the other show00:54
timelessif you don't disable it, the bindings are basically ignored00:54
|Rprompt the user with a question?00:55
halleyapt-get may be run by a gui, |R00:55
halleycan't do things with user prompts really00:55
|Rhalley : yes and they can show questions like application manager no?00:55
halleycan, but try like hell not to00:56
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eidohey has anyone played with the N810's GPS services / mapping?  i'm running a piece o crap windows based GPS in the car now, if i could use the gps mapper on the N810, would give me another reason to get one.  how is it?00:56
Sho_eido: you can read a couple of experiences threads in the forums on internettablettalk.com00:58
spikebikeI've heard it's horid00:58
Sho_eido: people seem to be largely disappointed right now, although the "real" payware car nav software is only going live later this month00:58
eidoSho_, i keep running into you :)00:58
ccookeeido: It's not properly available yet anyway00:58
spikebikeI.e. 30 mintues to get a lock00:58
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eidolonspikebike, ow00:58
eidoloni have no problems paying for a real car nav system that runs on the 810.00:59
spikebikeone a single case00:59
spikebikeonly a single case00:59
spikebikeI'm enjoying a n800 + $50 gps which rocks00:59
Sho_Haven't heard a 30m horror story yet, most people seem to say 40-120s00:59
Sho_The bigger problem is that the free app included with ITOS2008 appears to be utter crap - the payware version would supposedly be better00:59
spikebike40-120 is very reasonable00:59
eidoloni also have an external GPS receiver (bluetooth) if necessar,but i don't want to tie up my BT radio doing GPS00:59
spikebikesho yeah it's about 1% as nice as maemo mapper01:00
spikebikesho and doesn't do routing which I was shocked by01:00
Sho_spikebike: routing is the payware feature, yeah01:00
* Sho_ doesn't have his N810 yet, still waiting for that developer discount code to work01:00
spikebikeI thought the pay for version was turn by turn01:00
eidolonTbT navigatio on the 810 would be -just fine-01:00
spikebikein any case the free nokia nav maps are pretty gross01:01
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eidolonwell, as i said.  if there's a commercial version that's good, i'll buy that, assumig it's not like $300 or something.01:01
Sho_eidolon: $130 iirc01:02
eidolonlast bit.  can the 810 act as a client for the BT HFI profiel?  (hands free, aka headphone).  i want to listen to music or the like on the 810, and have it also linked to my BT phone in my backpack so i jut have to have my phone 'somewhere', not at hand.01:02
spikebikeI think ti's something like $50 a year01:02
eidolonsorry, HFP01:03
Sho_I don't actually have a car though, so I can't say I followed it up-close so far ;)01:03
dragornThe gps on the 810 is a lot slower than my sirf3 to lock01:03
dragornbut the sirf3 is a pretty good chipset01:04
eidolonany ideas on the bt profile?01:04
dragornThe maps looked the same as I recall the n800+navkit maps looking, they've got the 1-way data, etc, just missing nav capability w/out paying01:04
dragornI don't think buying the commercial nav stuff gets you new maps, just nav/tbt01:04
* eidolon nods.01:05
dragorneidolon: I didn't see anything to support it in the base OS01:05
dragornif I think of it, and it isn't absolutely frigid out01:05
eidolondragorn, *nods* nuts :(01:05
dragornI'll try to link it to my car tonight when I go out01:05
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eidoloni've been trying to do things like that for years :(01:05
dragorneidolon: Well, depending on the alsa version it should be relatively easy to hack in01:05
eidolonwell, its' a whole bunch of pieces.  you'd need something that would act as the BT HFP profile handelr on the 810, and conect up / listen, then you'd need a control interface of some sort. "answer" "hang up" at the very least.01:06
dragornpcm.bluetooth { type bluetooth; device aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff; } is the standard way w/ hcid01:06
eidolonafter that, you could just bind that to the mic / alsa sound output, and come up with a way to mute music when a call comes in.01:07
dragorntrue, you'd need the answer/hang up reactions01:07
eidolonbut i have a lot more faith in being able to do this on an 810 than on my treo.  *spit*01:07
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dragornwell, I'm willing to see what it does when associated to my car, ping me later tonight and see if I actually did the test01:09
timelessoh right01:09
timelessanyone here remember how to killall a process?01:09
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dragorni don't see anything in the config to handle bt headsets01:09
* eidolon nods.01:09
dragorntimeless: like, in general?  killall procname01:09
eidolonremember, its' the other way around01:09
timelessin maemo :)01:09
eidoloni don't want the 810 to talk to a headset.  i want it to essentiually -be- a headset.01:09
spikebikesaw a discussion on that somewhere01:10
dragorneidolon: ohhh01:10
* timeless frowns01:10
timelesscan someone please explain application manager to me?01:10
dragorneidolon: heh, ok.  well i have to jet, I don't think theres any functionality for that though01:10
timelessi think i managed to get the installer ui w/o the application manager01:10
timelessand i think, um.... it's broken :)01:10
spikebikewhat I want is something that looks like a bluetooth gps to be a bluetooth gsm widget01:10
spikebikefor voice AND data.01:11
spikebikethen I could use my n800 as a cell phone01:11
eidolonspikebike, ummmmm.  oh i see01:11
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geoffegSo i installed scratchbox and the sdk. I'm writing my code in eclipse and saving it to ~/workspace/TestApp but when i launch scratchbox i can't see ~/workspace/TestApp01:20
geoffegI realize that scratchbox gives me my own sandboxed environment and ~ in scratchbox is not ~ outside scratchbox.01:20
geoffegWhat's the best way to be able to develop with eclipse outside of scratchbox and still access the code inside scratchbox?01:21
pupnikuse vi01:21
geoffegno thanks :)01:21
pupnikscratcbox puts all your code into the /scratchbox dir01:23
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derfUse ln -s01:24
geoffegis /scratchbox/users/geoffeg/home/geoffeg the right directory for ~ inside scratchbox? that seems obtuse?01:24
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dragorneidolon: my phone sees the 810 as a headset audio gateway01:30
Atariiso how do i extract the skype bin from the 2008 version?01:31
dragorneidolon: but not a handsfree headset01:31
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* timeless just made prefs.js only readable by root01:41
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* lardman is trying to understand where the error: dld_cmd_spec.l:194: error: `yytext_ptr' undeclared (first use in this function), comes from?01:42
dragornlardman: yacc01:43
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dragornlardman: or yacc generated code01:43
ericzso.. there's no such thing as Skype for the 770, huh? :/01:43
lardmandragorn: yes, the latter01:43
dragornlardman: perhaps a uselessly nonspecific answer01:43
timelessok, someone want to try:
lardmanI had hoped that compiling dsp_dld to emit more debugging info so I could debug this message ( would be easier...01:45
timelessnote: use at your own risk, your device may be destroyed, etc :)01:45
lardmansorry timeless, bit busy atm01:46
timelessnote: browser must not be open when you install the package01:46
* timeless still needs to write the bit where it kills the browser01:46
timelesswhich is of course annoying01:47
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timelesscool, package seems to work other than that detail01:47
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timelessis there a convenient way to prompt "you're about to lose your browser, please confirm" from deb installs on maemo? :)01:48
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lardmanah, flex -l seems to do the trick01:48
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lardmanoops, my new dsp_dld killed it01:53
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lardmannight all02:17
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* timeless discovers that there's some service that tracks urls from this channel :o03:03
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acydlorddidnt monkey track urls03:26
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halleyI really wish the default backup name was an ISO date, not "Backup".03:37
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acydlordthat would be nice halley03:59
acydlordif you backup via rsync you get dates instead of backup03:59
halleyacydlord, rsync by itself doesn't do that, so what backup-by-rsync are you referring?04:00
acydlordi believe there was an rdiff application too04:02
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penguinbaitwhere a monkey when you need one04:31
Igg-manThe jungle?04:34
penguinbaitunder the patio from what I hear04:42
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halleyI got maemocjk working on n810... woo.07:28
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acydlordanyone get xchat working on os2008 yet? i'm too lazy to look around07:31
rip_yep works fine07:32
rip_google for : chinook Xchat07:32
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rip_and it will spit out a skyhusker addy07:32
acydlordcool thanks07:32
acydlordthe one in the repo i have keeps giving me a conflict , i'll check that first07:33
rip_theres an Xchat in the repository for Chinook ?07:34
acydlordi batch added the repos from one of the sites07:35
rip_if you got the bora version, it will prob bomb out07:35
rip_I tried that last time and had a heap of dependencies and conflicts07:35
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acydlordlooks like its the one from maemo-hackers i'm seeing07:36
rip_how sweet is that :p07:37
rip_too bad the wispy's are dirty expencive07:37
dragornThat's w/ no hildonizing, too07:37
dragornso that's the next step07:38
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rip_i'd love to get a wispy :p are there going to be packages available ?07:38
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rip_for OS200807:39
dragorni'll make packages once I hildonize it07:39
rip_cool :)07:39
dragornalso i need to fix the root thing07:39
rip_good work :D07:39
dragornright now it has to be launched as root07:40
rip_ahh ok07:41
rip_you want just a regular user able to launch without sudo ?07:41
|Rjust add a sudoers line?07:41
dragornWell, theres other things implied there07:42
dragornlike you don't get the hildon prefs for the gtk widgets if you just sudo load it07:42
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rip_ahh ok07:42
acydlordsweet, got xchat installed thanks07:42
dragornso i might have to make a little root process which controls the USB and feeds the data up or something07:43
dragornor see if I can change the usb device permissions sanely07:43
|Rthis absolutely needs a wi.spy device, won't work with internal wifi? :)07:44
|Rnp :)07:45
|Rjust wondering07:45
dragorntotally different voodoo to decode frames vs. raw signal levels07:45
dragorntho someone could do a gtk kismet client still :P07:46
dragornthat'll be the next thing, history has embittered me to kismet on these things so i was messing w/ the spectools stuff first07:46
|Rhave you got kismet running on 2008? :)07:46
dragornsince no-one else sent maemo patches I may finally be inspired enough by the 810 to get it going07:46
dragornespecially w/ the built-in gps07:46
|Ryeah :)07:46
anthrobugi just got kismet running on 200807:46
dragornmaybe try a few usb NICs and see if it has enough juice07:46
dragornI expect it'll run, I don't know what the drivers look like offhand07:47
rip_how much is the new wispy these days ?07:47
anthrobugyou having trouble with kismet?07:47
dragornanthrobug: I wrote kismet :P07:47
rip_I remember it over 500 bucks when I first saw it07:47
anthrobugit's a dream on the 80007:47
dragornanthrobug: There are issues with maemo, always have been, I posted a list of things I wanted to see before I did maemo packages07:47
rip_oh cool07:47
rip_I love kismet :p07:47
dragornbut I may get around to doing them myself now that I have the 81007:48
anthrobugdid they address what you were looking for?07:48
|Rlike what? :)07:48
anthrobugIt's working great, thank you for this wonderful program07:48
dragornanthrobug: No-one sent any patches, so, no :P07:49
dragornMainly talking to the wifi app to keep it offline, auto-launching in an xterm, figuring out how to clean up after when the drivers get confused07:49
rip_Wasn't there issues with the Chipset in Maemo with kismet working correctly ?07:49
rip_or is that all in my head...07:49
anthrobugso far I haven't had a problem with the cleanup - I see the warning but it's been stable after quitting07:50
dragornand having some mechanism to tie into the gps system07:50
dragornWell, if the maemo drivers are stable coming out of rfmon now07:50
dragornthats a big step07:50
dragornalso the newcore ui will get mouse support sometime in the reasonable future07:50
dragornwhich would make a tablet ui much saner if I just made newcore packages07:50
anthrobugthis is on that beta released two weeks ago07:51
anthrobugyea, the keyboard kills the interface07:51
rip_ahh ok sweet07:51
rip_I have the N800, I prefer no keyboard07:51
rip_but I understand why people want one07:51
dragornI never liked the 800 hw design07:51
* |R still waiting for dev codes activation ...07:51
anthrobugit's just ugly without a bluetooth keyboard07:52
dragornthe 810 makes me very happy07:52
dragornI still miss the hard cover from the 770, too07:52
rip_you owned each version of the tablets ?07:52
anthrobugyea, the keyboard really changes the device, im missing it bigtime07:52
rip_with that photo you posted of wispy on the n810, are you using any special cables ? or just adapters to fit the usb together ?07:54
dragornIt's a micro-a-male to a-male, and an a-a coupler07:55
rip_ahh ok cool07:55
anthrobugwhats that for?07:55
rip_give me an excuse to fork out some cash with the wispy when the packages will work :)07:55
dragornanthrobug: what's what for?07:55
anthrobugusb cable07:55
|Rhehe check the picture ;)07:56
anthrobugmale to male, isn't that different than the built in connector?07:56
dragornthe OTG micro-ab needs a micro-a male to put it in host mode07:56
dragornthe cable I found happened to go to A male07:56
dragornso I had a coupler handy07:57
anthrobugah, i saw something about that - I'm new to the n800, just figuring all this out07:57
dragornthe 800 is even funnier07:57
dragorntho you can set host mode programmatically07:57
anthrobugI thought I needed to flash with that host mode to get root, but then I found gainroot07:57
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anthrobugwhat else do you use host mode for?07:58
dragornif you set redpill mode I believe it unlocks gainroot07:58
|Ranybody ever tried to lock the device then flash it ?07:58
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|RJust curious what it would do, would it lock on first boot?07:59
dragornanthrobug: Use host mode for?  Nothing yet, I only got the cables tonight, then I was out for a few hours, then it took a while to install scratchbox and ubuntu in a vm08:00
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anthrobughave a good night y'all, nice meeting you dragorn & Thank you!08:02
* |R wonders how big is the tablet market now for os200808:02
|Rsee ya anthrobug :)08:03
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oiland good day08:05
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acydlordi just noticed that the devicescape repo that was added from the nokia user site back in the early days went all borked08:21
acydlordand i do not enjoy using vi on my n800 lol08:21
|Ri do :P08:22
acydlordi've gotten rusty in my vi commands which is the main part08:22
acydlordi should get that mug with all the vi commands on it08:22
|Rhehe and one that fades with heat, so when you refill your coffee you can practice your memory ;)08:23
acydlordlol, that would be a nifty mug08:24
K`zanShould I have two hildon-desktop processes?08:24
acydlordi noticed it has changed from sudo gainroot to sudo gainroot -08:24
acydlordi only had one hildon-destop thread, is one of them gobbling up resources?08:25
K`zandunno, perhaps a shutdown and restart and check again.08:26
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|Ruhm i have 208:26
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K`zanWas trying to apt-get update earlier and it couldn't get lock and I can't see why.  Been up for over a week so probably won't hurt.08:27
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|Rapp manager was not open? :)08:28
K`zanNo Sir08:29
|Rurhm! :)08:29
K`zanStill have two and dups of at least one more.08:29
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K`zanssh root@n80008:29
K`zanOK, now apt-get update runs!08:31
K`zanwumpus: GPG error: chinook Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY08:32
K`zanThat explains it :)08:32
K`zanWhere does that got to keep apt happy?08:32
|Rapt-hey add that :)08:32
|Rget the file08:33
|Rapt-key add pgp.txt08:33
|Rshould work..08:33
K`zanI will be SO glad when xchat is ready for 2008 :)08:33
flatfaceI thought it was ported already08:33
K`zanGonna have to mount the SDs and copy it over that way.08:33
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K`zanwb GeneralAntilles08:34
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K`zanNot anyplace I have seen - 2007 yes, 2008 no :-(.  Unless I am missing something08:37
K`zan|R: That worked, thanks much!08:38
acydlordi just googled chinook xchat on my n80008:39
acydlordand opened the deb in the first link for skyhuskers08:39
K`zanacydlord: Where did you find it, just check and all I find is references to bora for xchat.08:41
acydlordin the bottom of that dir08:41
acydlordis the white background in the status bar on pidgin and xchat just a gtk issue?08:42
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K`zanno wget LOL08:43
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* blithe bahs at still not shipping his n800.08:50
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blitheI hope they didn't have to order it themselves first. :P08:53
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blitheThough I have had experiences where a place says something hasn't shipped, and then it shows up at my door.08:58
blitheCan't get my hopes up though. :P08:58
flatfacehappens all the time with directcanada for me. but I've heard a lot of people saying that their orders have an estimated date around the 12th.08:59
K`zan_800acydlord: Works! Thank you Sir!09:00
K`zanHumm, no "|" on the n80009:00
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blitheHrm. I pushed mine through google checkout. I wonder if it has an ETA.09:04
blitheflatface: Are these people who ordered the black friday special?09:07
blitheDang. I hope I get it before next Saturday. I have to leave then.09:07
flatfacegood luck09:08
blitheYou think it's hopeless?09:08
flatfaceNo, sorry, I was actually being earnest there09:08
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blitheHard to pick up on sarcasm. :P09:08
flatfaceI'm normally pretty sarcastic, though09:09
* blithe grins09:09
flatfaceI got mine though special order at staples, but it did cost a bit more. No shipping cost, employee discount and I had store credit, though.09:10
blitheOh, there's a thing where I can update my shipping address.09:10
blitheMaybe if it doesn't say shipped by this weekend, I'll change it.09:10
flatfacemm, good idea09:11
* flatface is kind of glad he wrecked his Palm TX now that he has the n80009:12
blitheI'm hearing so many positive things.09:12
flatfaceIt's great.09:13
* |R trying to clear marble level 11..09:13
blitheI'm hoping it's truly a device I want to carry everywhere.09:13
flatfaceI'm even spending more time on it than my laptop.09:13
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K`zanEnough fun for the day, night all and THANKS for all the help and all the goodies :).09:17
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corevettei have a memory card for my nokia 770, but when i try to write stuff on it via my computer, it never saves on it?09:19
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flatfacecorevette: Connected with USB or with a memory card reader?09:19
corevetteflatface: memory card reader09:20
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corevetteflatface: but i tried both09:20
flatfacecorevette: What OS?09:20
corevetteflatface: ubuntu gutsy09:21
flatfaceAh, okay:09:21
flatfaceMake sure the card's not read only, and once you're done writing to it, you'll have to unmount it. Simply unplugging the card isn't something *nix likes.09:22
corevetteyes i do unmount09:23
corevettebut how do i check if it's read only09:23
flatfaceAssuming it's an SD card, there should be a little tab on one of the sides.09:23
flatfaceThe position closest to the pins is where you want it. Away from them is the locked position.09:23
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flatfaceanother way of checking is to plug it in, and when it's mounted, open up a terminal and type mount with no extra parameters.09:25
flatfacelook for the mountpoint. if it says (rw), it's good, but if it says (ro), it's read only.09:25
Doomshey can any of you guys watch this video i made? And yes im the girl09:25
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corevetteflatface: the sd card doesn't have a switch09:27
corevetteflatface: it's one of those ones where it's only a half an sd card, and you have to put the extender on it when you use the card reader to get it back out09:27
flatfaceoh, you're using a mini/microsd card with an adapter?09:27
corevettehold on09:28
flatfacethe adapter might have a switch.09:28
flatfaceI know mine does09:28
corevettesorry for horrible quality09:28
flatfaceWoah, that's odd.09:28
corevette/dev/sda1 on /media/RICK 770 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)09:30
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corevetteflatface: ^^09:30
flatfaceThat should work fine. :/09:30
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corevetteso i just drag and drop the files via nautilus, unmount, and put the card back it, the files are gone09:31
flatfaceI'm running out of ideas here, heh. You sure it's not out of space? also try typing dmesg and seeing if there are any odd errors relating to the card09:31
corevetteFree SPace: 1.8G09:32
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flatfaceOdd messages indeed.09:34
corevetteflatface: linux issue? memory card issue? i know your out of ideas, but can you narrow it down?09:35
jeddy3corevette, if you sync the device in terminal? ...thats what unmount does in theory, but it's worth a try09:35
corevettewhat do you mean jeddy309:36
flatfaceI hope I can, but I might not be that good. I/O errors are never good and may be either hardware or a formatting error. I'd try using fsck on it.09:36
jeddy3open terminal, run command "sync /dev/sdb" or wherever your card resides09:37
flatfacejeddy3: you see the dmesg output? pretty sure i/o errors won't be fixed with that09:37
corevettecorevette@corevette-desktop:~$ sync /media/RICK\ 770/09:38
corevettesync: ignoring all arguments09:38
flatfacethat's the mountpoint, it has to be run on the device point (/dev/sdxy)09:38
flatfacesda in this case09:39
jeddy3flatface, no didn't check...just thought i'd chip in before scurrying of to meeting :)09:39
flatfacejeddy3: well, you taught me a new command today. thanks :D09:39
corevettecorevette@corevette-desktop:~$ sync /dev/sda109:39
corevettesync: ignoring all arguments09:39
jeddy3flatface, :D, in theory, i think thats excactly what unmount actually do, but sometimes you can get some extra information from terminal09:40
flatfaceapparently sync doesn't need any arguments (according to the manpage)09:40
* corevette is thinking of giving up09:41
flatfacecorevette: unmount it, then fsck /dev/sda109:41
corevettesorry to spam09:43
corevettecorevette@corevette-desktop:~$ fsck /dev/sda109:43
corevettefsck 1.40.2 (12-Jul-2007)09:43
corevettedosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN09:43
corevette/dev/sda1: 10 files, 2065/62003 clusters09:43
flatfaceWas that it?09:43
|Rwhy give sync an argument?09:43
corevettewell thanks anyways09:45
flatfacecorevette: I personally think it's a hardware fault, but someone else here might have a better suggestion09:45
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blitheflatface: You really spend more time on it than your laptop?10:25
oilI need to parse XML file to variables on shell script. do you have recommendations which tools to use?10:29
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vlad_er, is the camera on the n810 usable by anything?11:22
vlad_I guess video calls work11:23
rip_what Video apps in the N8x0's can use the camera for chat ?11:25
rip_only google talk ?11:25
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GeneralAntillesand Gizmo11:25
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jeddy3anyone else experiencing power-on problems with n800?11:29
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jeddy3removed battery for a moment yesterday, and upon powering on it was _completely_ dead charging, not any life whatsoever11:30
GeneralAntillesMaybe let it sit on the charger for a little while?11:32
jeddy3had to remove battery for a couple of hours before it woke up and everything was normal again11:32
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jeddy3GeneralAntilles, nope, no reaction...and battery was fully charged11:32
GeneralAntillesNever experienced anything like that.11:33
jeddy3it's working now...and i never intend to turn it of, but it was weird...and others seems to have same problem upon universal solution though :/11:34
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jeddy3atop of that: i forgot to put in my internal sd-card, so i had to turn it of AGAIN =P...and it was the same thing, left it overnight11:35
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GeneralAntillesYou can hot-swap the cards.11:35
jeddy3GeneralAntilles, internal also?11:36
GeneralAntillesIt's a good idea to make sure your apps are closed with the swap on it.11:36
GeneralAntillesWhen swapping OUT11:36
GeneralAntillesBut swapping IN presents no troubles.11:36
jeddy3one _really_ weird thing also: when not powering on, after removing battery...i had to press the zoom in/maximize/zoom out buttons before powering on to make power button work... :D11:40
GeneralAntillesYou holding down the power button?11:41
GeneralAntillesIt's not an instant-on thing11:41
GeneralAntillesYou have to hold for upwards of a second.11:41
X-Fadejeddy3: Sounds like a a stuck button perhaps?11:41
jeddy3yes, held it down for half a minute sometimes11:42
X-Fadejeddy3: you can only use one button at a time. So if one is stuck, the others won't work.11:42
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jeddy3X-Fade, no stuck button as i could sounds really weird, but reproducable both times11:42
X-FadeHmm just tested it. I can keep a zoom button pressed and use the power button.11:43
jeddy3i tried _every_ possible combination, thats how i found out :P11:43
jeddy3X-Fade, hmm11:44
GeneralAntillesI wish they hadn't broken soft power-off with OS2008.11:47
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KhertanHum someone have see that rfcomm isn't anymore in the os2008 ?11:50
Khertanthe module is here, but no more /usr/bin/rfcomm11:51
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I have no use for that. I use my N800 in always on, always connected mode.11:51
GeneralAntillesYou never put it in your pocket?11:51
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Automatically switching to UMTS when out of Wifi reach..11:51
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Sure. Just lock the screen?11:51
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's the point of soft power-off.11:52
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GeneralAntillesLocking is a PITA11:52
GeneralAntillesOne button activation > two button activation11:52
GeneralAntillessoft power-off doesn't kill the connection, either. :)11:52
GeneralAntillesHey, lardman.11:52
lardmanhi GeneralAntilles11:52
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I don't mind the 2 button lock removal. And it stays connected anyway..11:53
GeneralAntillesYeah, soft power-off is the same as locked keys.11:53
GeneralAntillesJust a lot easier to use.11:53
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Every nokia has menu -> star for locking. I'm used to that ;)11:53
GeneralAntillesAnybody happen to have a link handy to a really, really, big image?11:54
GeneralAntillesI'm testing the limits of the OS2008 image viewer.11:54
* lardman wonders if the UK is the odd one out - N810 listed in French/German/Spanish Nokia online stores....11:54
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X-Fadelardman: I guess you need them to show up at for the codes to work?11:55
X-Fadelardman: And there the French etc are also not yet know..11:55
lardmanYeah, though the other European stores don't work with codes yet either, but at least it shows up for them! ;)11:56
X-FadeAs long as this one doesn't work, no fun.
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lardmanah well, T-minus 9 days and counting....11:58
jeddy36 days for canola, 9 for os2008...interesting times :)11:58
jeddy3lardman, or what was your ETA for?11:59
X-Fadejeddy3: N810 ;)12:00
jeddy3X-Fade, ah, my bad :D12:00
X-FadeAt developer rate.12:00
jeddy3X-Fade, but os2008 for n800 seems to be in that time frame also12:00
X-Fadejeddy3: yep.12:01
X-FadeAlthough you can already use the beta image..12:01
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jeddy3X-Fade, yeah i know12:02
lardmanjeddy3: yep, N81012:02
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elpasoI've just installed chinook sdk in sb but can't find xterm, do you know where i can find it?12:03
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lardmanelpaso: why do you want xterm?12:14
lardmanand what do you want, the source?12:14
elpasoBinary is enough, I want to launch programs from the xterm12:15
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elpasointo xephyr12:15
lardmanoh I see12:15
elpasoperhaps I can do run-standalone?12:15
lardmando they need to be run in xterm? Couldn't you just run them in the term?12:16
elpasofrom the sb shell?12:16
lardmanregarding xterm, I think you'll need to compile it for x8612:16
elpasois run-standalone exactly the same as running in osso-xterm?12:16
lardmanI don't know, I never use the x86 target12:17
lardmananyone else?12:17
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lardmanIf we want a source package released, should we file a bug about it?12:19
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GeneralAntillesMight as well, lardman.12:26
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GeneralAntillesThough I highly doubt it'll get you anywhere.12:26
lardmanThere's no reason not to release the source I want12:26
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lardmanI've no idea what to file it under though....12:27
lardmanah, multimedia12:27
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X-Fadelardman: Or find the owner of the debian package and mail him?12:28
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lardmanX-Fade: there isn't a debian package12:32
X-Fadelardman: I have been in contact with Terje Bergstrom and Juha Kallioinen. They seem to be in charge of the SDK repository/tools.12:32
lardmanbug #249812:32
lardmanX-Fade: I think the package itself will have to come from the DSP devs though12:32
X-Fadelardman: Yeah, I guess so.12:33
GeneralAntillesVote it, lardman.12:33
X-FadeProbably a different team..12:33
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X-Fadekaltsi: Do you know who is responsible for the dsp_dld code?12:41
kaltsiX-Fade: nope :-/12:42
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X-Fadekaltsi: Or are you able to find that out internally? :)12:42
kaltsimaybe :)12:43
lardmanif you could that would be much appreciated12:43
kaltsibut not today, Finland is closed for independence day12:44
X-FadeIt would help a out a lot. As there is now no way to get the bug to the right person..12:44
kaltsiI missed all previous discussion here.. what's the deal?12:44
lardmanand/or bug #249812:45
kaltsibah now where's monkey when it could have filled its only purpose12:46
lardman~bug #249812:47
lardmanOh well, infobot isn't interested12:47
kaltsiI'll ask around a bit on Friday or next week if no-one's there tomorrow eithere12:47
lardmanthanks :)12:48
X-Fadelardman: Any news on the powervr tools?12:52
lardmanX-Fade: No, I did some "looking" at the module, got rather confused and decided to do some DSP stuff and come back to it with fresh eyes12:53
X-Fadelardman: Hehe ;) So it is all dark magic at the moment..12:54
lardmanX-Fade: indeed :)12:54
lardmanI need to see if I can get the Poky image to build (kept having niggling errors), then we might try running it12:54
lardmanbut the pvr.ko module seemed to insert ok, but then just sat there (do /dev or /proc entries), so I probably need to go through the code and work out where it's going wrong anyway12:55
X-FadeYeah, you need the tools to actually do something..12:55
lardmanyes, that's where the Poky image comes in, hopefully12:55
lardmanthough decoding the comms between the user-space stuff and the kernel module may be a large task12:56
lardmanassuming the module can be made to work that is :)12:56
X-FadeYep, if you could only know for sure that it actually does something ;)12:57
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kaltsilardman: what's on your dsp.h line 61 in the kernel source tree? I'm looking at timeless' MXR thingy and can't understand why it would report a syntax error there12:59
kaltsiI'm also fighting with my new iMac and can't paste from the browser to this xterm so I can't provide a link :)13:00
kaltsithis 'mighty mouse' is all but mighty13:00
lardmanlet me have a look, /me fires up exploree2fs as he's running WinXP atm13:00
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lardmanhere's the whole file
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lardmanline 60 starts "struct omap_dsp_mailbox_cmd {"13:03
kaltsihm ok it's different from what timeless is indexing there13:03
lardmanthis is the latest kernel source 2.6.21-13:04
kaltsiright.. timeless has there .1613:04
lardmanwas .16 for the 770?13:04
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kaltsiI dunno..13:05
lardmankaltsi: The problem is probably not to hard to fix, then I can search for the missing definition and add it, but I just thought it there's a package available it would be easier (as I'm trying to write a tremor sink not debug dsp tools)13:06
kaltsithat __u16 is supposed to be defined in linux/include/asm-arm/types.h try including that13:06
lardmankaltsi: I will when I boot back to Linux13:07
kaltsilardman: yep sure13:07
lardmanI'll take a look this evening and post to the list if I get it to work, but it would still be good to have the source package available with headers, etc.13:07
kaltsihmm the kernel probably was updated at some point during this chinook stuff.. maybe it was .16 when the first image for N810 was released13:10
lardmanOS2007 was .18 iirc13:10
lardmannot to worry13:11
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jeddy3ok, how do i poweroff the device if it doesn't want to do it normally13:13
kaltsitake out the battery13:14
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jeddy3eventhough it's on?13:14
czrkaltsi, was it you who asked for lxr for maemo?13:15
kaltsiwhy doesn't it want to power off normally, what do you mean?13:15
kaltsiczr: hi, yep that's me13:15
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czrkaltsi, thought so :-). you should hang around here more often. timeless setup an working lxr-king-of-thingy (mxr), but I guess you read about that already :-)13:16
czran official one would of course be much nicer, but still.13:16
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jeddy3kaltsi, somethings wrong with does not show any battery status, and if i press powerbutton it gets white, then nokia hands picture, then goes back to somewhat broken grapical interface13:16
kaltsiczr: yes I know about that, I didn't want to advertize that there as I thought timeless would do it himself :)13:17
czrah. sneaky :-)13:17
timelyxhe tricked me!13:17
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* timelyx frowns13:17
* czr adds kaltsi to the list of nominees for "The Sneaky Awards 2008"13:17
timelyxi have no idea why that package turned up13:17
timelyxdo note that the kernel sources probably aren't a dependency for the image13:18
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timelyxwhereas a kernel header would have been13:18
kaltsijeddy3: do you have the power cord plugged in? if yes then try without it..13:18
* czr plays C flat13:18
czrhow's that for a note?13:18
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* czr hides & runs13:18
timelyxkaltsi: that's what the xref found13:18
kaltsia brown note?13:18
timelyxit's "so not my fault"13:18
czrkaltsi, wasn't that disproved in mythbusters? :-)13:19
kaltsitimelyx: eek13:19
timelyxkaltsi: anyway, this is an artifact of the way the build system works13:19
timelyxthe kernel is not part of the image/build13:19
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timelyxit's down w/ some secret magic i have not yet decrypted13:19
timelyxi'm new here, having only worked for more than a year and a half :)13:19
kaltsiI think those need to be updated then.. and they will13:19
jeddy3kaltsi, yes that did the trick with powering off :)...although now it won't turn on :P13:19
* czr adds timelyx to the list of nominees for the "Newbie Awards"13:20
kaltsijeddy3: hehe :) maybe if you plug the power cord back in and let it charge for a while before trying again13:20
timelyxkaltsi: anyway, if you or someone else makes significant changes to chinook13:20
timelyxyou'll have to tell me13:20
timelyxthere's no way i'm going to *know* that chinook has significantly changed13:20
kaltsiyou can listen to the rumors in the hallways!13:21
timelyxi'm in the wrong hallway!13:21
jeddy3kaltsi, will do, thanks for pointers13:21
timelyxthey're literally on the other side of the building :)13:21
kaltsijeddy3: no problem :)13:21
timelyxpick a they (sdk, kernel, core, ...)13:21
kaltsiI'm a they!13:21
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timelyxvisit me on tuesday :)13:22
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timelyxor some day after that when you've changed chinook :)13:22
timelyxmy desk generally has chocolates13:22
timelyxit also has a dated org chart w/ room numbers13:22
czrheh. the secret motivational force13:22
timelyxi'll probably see about updating it in january13:22
kaltsimm.. this new 24 inch iMac looks quite big, now I'll have to buy a bigger apartment too13:23
timelyxanyway, i have to pack for rome13:23
jeddy3kaltsi, :D13:23
timelyxkaltsi: in general figuring out where the xref found a package from in chinook/sardine should be trivial13:23
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czrkaltsi, wait till you get a 50" plasma13:24
timelyxjust go to the logical part of pool and see if it's there :)13:24
jeddy3bying things always spawns chains of buying other things it seems :P13:24
czrkaltsi, you'll have to move into a proper city then ;-)13:24
czrtimeless, leaving today?13:24
timelyxyeah in a few hours13:24
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czrcool. have a great trip :-)13:24
timelyxprobably leave my apt @213:24
kaltsitimelyx: yes.. I just wasn't sure what the 'official' kernel version was right now so I thought it might have been that at some point and that it will be updated at some other point13:24
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czrtimelyx, see you in january then I guess13:25
timelyxshows the package13:25
timelyxczr: ok13:25
czrdon't expect me to fix any bugs until then :-)13:25
X-Fadeczr: We will just break some random stuff, so he has some material to file bugs about ;)13:26
timelyxX-Fade: i think i have 2 chapters left that i haven't read13:26
czrX-Fade, "cool" :-)13:26
timelyxand iirc they're longer than the ones i have read13:26
czrI'll start posting bug reports in big-latin13:27
czrpig-latin even13:27
timelyxbig-latin sounds better13:27
czrHERE BE A BVG13:27
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czror maybe I should start writing bug reports in limericks13:28
X-FadeOMG FR3AK1NG P0N13SSS!!1!13:28
czrthat's not a limerick :-)13:28
X-FadeOr lolcat perhaps?13:28
czr(too short, otherwise it could be)13:28
czrI'll just post screenshots demonstrating the bugs and showing some dubious content13:29
czr"Browser renders tubgirl incorrectly"13:29
X-FadeI Can Has Sourcecode?13:29
* timelyx sends czr a picture of a fried kitty13:29
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czrtimelyx, ewww13:30
czrX-Fade, hah13:31
timelyxi'm a browser engineer, we worse stuff than most people can imagine :)13:31
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timelyxactually, that's from a mozilla lolcats group13:32
czryou have twisted sense of humour :-)13:32
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czrlalcats are supposed to be funny or smt :-)13:32
czrlolcats even13:32
timelyxit's not mine!13:32
timelyxalthough i must admit that i'm likely to fall into the curiosity killed the cat category13:33
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czrnokia should sponsor a pic like this: but with the N81013:34
czr"I have maps"13:34
czr"im using your tablet, filing bugs"13:35
X-Fadeur, not your ;)13:35
czryeah, I know, I'm pathetic :-)13:35
* timelyx ponders13:36
timelyxdoesn't that mean that anyone building w/ chinook using headers would get the thing i listed?13:36
timelyxkaltsi: you should check w/ the internal xref to see if there's a different package there13:36
timelyxi'm not going to vpn w/ my cell phone to find out :)13:37
czroh nice. 20 more alerts from network services13:38
czr-> goes looking13:38
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FunkyPenguinafternoon all14:30
FunkyPenguinanyone using navicore on the n800?14:30
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rothielHi guys :)14:33
FunkyPenguinhas anyone managed to do a multi region route in navicaor? im driving from the uk to belgium tonight and cant see how to plan the route :(14:35
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lardmanFunkyPenguin: I read somewhere that that's not possible14:40
lardmanFunkyPenguin: you need to route to somewhere on the border, cross it, then route from there to wherever you're going14:40
lardmanI think that was on a blog linked from maemo news14:43
FunkyPenguinbugger :(14:44
FunkyPenguini've got the whole DVD and then some on my n80014:44
* FunkyPenguin hopes wayfinder on OS2008 is better then14:45
lardmanoh, I thought you meant that14:45
lardmanon n800 with os200814:45
FunkyPenguinnope, im on OS2007 on n80014:45
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lardmanthat was what I read14:49
lardmanso that's probably exactly what you use (2nd post)14:49
FunkyPenguinlardman: thanks14:49
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FunkyPenguinlooks like im in no real rush then to go to 2008 - this is a real dissapointment14:57
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GeneralAntilles"Map" on OS2008 isn't any better.15:00
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GeneralAntillesHell yes there's a rush for OS2008.15:00
GeneralAntillesExtra CPU?15:00
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GeneralAntillesReally, you're much better off sticking with maemo mapper.15:01
GeneralAntillesIt's not shit.15:01
halleyFor n810 on maemo-mapper, what do I put for the settings to find the internal gps?15:02
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halleyAh, I see.15:04
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Tak"std::map - A standard container made up of (key,value) pairs, which can be retrieved based on a key, in logarithmic time."15:27
Takwhere's my constant time?!15:27
* Juhaz waves hand. this is not the language you're looking for15:28
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L0cutushum, on os2008 seems 'softpoweroff' doesn't work as on os2007...16:49
L0cutusdisplay is still alive16:49
L0cutusmmm comment #3 doesn't look very promising...16:52
GeneralAntillesIt'll come when it comes.16:53
* GeneralAntilles shrugs.16:53
GeneralAntillesIt's too bad locking is broken, too.16:54
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johnnynokiaTrying to find the source for 'osso-connectivity-ui' and i can't find it via apt-get source xxxx in scratchbox.  Are there additional urls that need to be put in sources.list does anyone know? I think this is maintained by nokia but i want to see what if anything is available in the source package16:56
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GeneralAntillesafaik, if it's osso, it's Nokia.16:59
GeneralAntillesno telling whether it's open or closed.16:59
GeneralAntillesThere's a page that'll tell you which are which are open and which are closed.17:00
GeneralAntillesI don't remember the URL, though.17:00
johnnynokiaokay, yeh think it's closed just wanted to see "source" so i can tell if can customize at all, before i start looking for replacement or writing one.  I'll try to find that url thanks17:02
GeneralAntillesIf you want to browse.17:02
GeneralAntillesIt's baffling what Nokia decides to open and close.17:04
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johnnynokiaha, I see. Yeh if osso-* is all largely closed, with little room for customizing bummer.  To me a lot of their stuff is very close to what is needed, but not quite. Be nice to be able to extend, but ah well.17:06
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timelessanyone here have os2008 ++ n800 + bt gps17:43
timelessif nyou n use gps, does an icon appear in the status area17:44
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toresbeif you install the official OS2k8 release for the N800, do you still have the Map then?17:45
GeneralAntillesYes, timeless.17:46
GeneralAntilleswith maemo mapper and "Map"17:46
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timelessgot the us user guide17:47
timelessplease turn to page 9 and file a bug17:47
GeneralAntillesWill do.17:47
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timelessit says the icon is only for n810 internal17:47
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timelessbeta indeed17:49
GeneralAntillesDon't see any reason why they shouldn't have it work with an external.17:49
GeneralAntillesWhat do you want it under? Desktop?17:50
timelessdoc writers  often get a17:50
timelesstheir is a doc product17:50
GeneralAntillesAh, right.17:50
timelessuserguideghelp or something17:50
timelessbut please grab a nokian on friday and make sure it+s imported17:51
* timeless wonders what an application is as far as end users and doc writers are concerned17:52
timelessanyone want to guess?17:52
timelessi am on page 10 of the us guide17:53
GeneralAntillesI need to get another copy.17:53
GeneralAntillesDeleted all of 'em last night.17:53
timelessmy flight is scheduled to depart in 2mmins17:54
GeneralAntillesCan't turn off, can you? :P17:54
timelessi will drop off when instructed to do so17:55
timelessi.e. nolw17:55
GeneralAntillesSee yah.17:55
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[pablo]anyone have any experience doing mounting of external devices on the n810?18:05
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GeneralAntillesIt's probably covered somewhere on ITT.18:06
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dragorn[pablo]: as in, usb?18:07
dragornget a micro-a-male cable to throw the device into host mode18:08
[pablo]GeneralAntilles: i searched under n810 and os2008 forums and found nothing =/18:08
[pablo]dragorn: how do I put it in host mode?18:08
dragornand generally things just show up.  It'll whine it's not a supported device, but it'll work, at least if the device doesn't need more power than the tablet can provide18:08
dragornby getting a micro-a-male cable18:08
[pablo]dragorn: i have it plugged in already18:09
dragornhost mode is controlled by the cable pin groundings, you need an A cable, it ships with a B cable.18:09
[pablo]oh, so the cable that came with the n810 will not work?18:09
dragornnot for host mode18:09
dragornusb otg standard uses one of the pins to indicate host or peripheral.  B is peripheral, A is host.18:10
[pablo]i just got a fem a -> fem a gender changer18:10
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dragornYou can, in theory, control it with files in /sys, but while that works on the 800 I couldn't get it working on the 81018:10
dragorn[pablo]: yeah, a coupler won't do it, you need the B micro connector18:10
dragorn[pablo]: Also: micro, not mini.  Be careful.  Mini won't fit.18:11
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[pablo]dragorn: so I need to get a micro-usb male to usb b male?18:11
[pablo]and inherently another way to hook it up to my n81018:11
[pablo]err, my hdd i mean18:11
dragornyou need a micro-usb-A-male to whatever18:11
dragornI haven't tried anything larger than a flash drive.  it definitely won't power a hard drive from the tablet, though it may work w/ an externally powered one18:12
[pablo]okay, so the only problem is in the micro end that plugs into the n810 then18:12
dragornyes.  you need a special end.18:12
[pablo]dragorn: i have a y power cable for the HD18:12
dragorn[pablo]:, item USB126002M18:13
captlloydSo, USB flash drives seem to work?18:13
dragorncaptlloyd: mine do18:14
wumpusnice, so you could in principe hook an externally powered hdd to it :)18:14
[pablo]dragorn: awesome, thank you =)18:14
[pablo]wumpus: that's my hopes =)18:14
[pablo]this thing will make a great in car media center18:14
[pablo]dragorn: the micro end on that cable looks different than the cable that fits in my n81018:15
oil[pablo]: you are also doing mediacenter for the car?18:16
[pablo]oil: trying to =)18:16
captlloyd I think it may not be the same thing18:16
[pablo]it looks like it's the same except the cable I came with has the two lower corners cut at an angle18:16
oil[pablo]: same here. automatic mediasync when coming home with rsync is one part of it.18:16
[pablo]the port looks fairly square though18:16
captlloydOh, maybe its the Micro B and not the Micro A18:16
[pablo]sounds right18:18
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dragorn[pablo]: that part # works, I've got 3 of them sitting on my desk :P18:18
dragorni was going to test an externally powered hdd but my little laptop drive seems to have gone to meet its maker18:18
[pablo]i have a passport drive that i'll be using18:19
[pablo]i found a little 2 port car charger hub thing with a powered usb port to power the drive in my car18:19
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captlloydAnyone used the Nokia FM transmitter?18:23
Takwhat fm transmitter is this?18:23
GeneralAntillesWhy buy Nokia?18:23
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GeneralAntillesJust get a cheap FM transmitter from, like, anywhere.18:23
[pablo]target has one for $20 that takes usb thumb drives and audio inputs, plugs right into your cigarette lighter18:24
[pablo]1/8" audio inputs*18:24
[pablo]can't find it on thier website, but it was in the automotive section at my local super target18:27
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fysaCassette adapter.18:36
glass_fm transmitters are dirt cheap18:38
glass_very handy to have18:38
fysatrue, but cassette adapters sound better.18:38
fysaunfortunate as that is18:39
glass_cars tend to have just cd18:39
glass_new cars anyways18:39
Taknew cars tend to have direct audio input18:39
mgedminnot all of them :(18:39
glass_not really18:39
glass_well ok many new players have inputs at the back and shit18:40
Takhence "tend" and not "are guaranteed" ;-)18:40
fysa2005 Acura still includes a cassette deck, horrifyingly enough18:40
mgedminbut they let you buy options like an ipod connector that (a) only works with ipods and (b) costs silly amounts of money18:40
captlloydYeah, I have a car that's about 2 years old and it has only CD and no audio input18:41
mgedmindirect audio input wasn't even an option18:41
Takfysa: my 02 VW did as well18:41
mgedminI suppose a competent engineer could dismantle the front panel and hook something up18:41
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fysayou can get a deck with USB and line-in for < $10018:42
Tak07 VW has standard audio input, (with option of additional costly ipod-specific connector)18:42
captlloydWhat's the name of an App that I can use to take still photos and/or short videos with my N810?18:42
captlloydDon't find it for OS200718:44
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johnnynokiaWhere's the proper place to report bugs on the nokia they can ignore them :-D18:49
johnnynokiato the maintainer of the package ?18:49
johnnynokiaIf they were open source i'd just fix the damn bugs myself but whatever18:49
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GeneralAntillesIf your head unit has a CD change input, you can get adaptors for about $50-$8018:50
GeneralAntillesYeah, too bad most factory head units aren't of a standard size, fysa.18:50
GeneralAntillesgps-camera, captlloyd.18:50, johnnynokia.18:51
captlloydYeah, my factory deck is odd and what covers it is kinda part of the rest of the dash18:51
GeneralAntillesJust remember to SEARCH FIRST!18:51
captlloydWell I searched for camera18:51
johnnynokiathanks General18:51
GeneralAntillesNot you captlloyd, Mr. Bug Reporter over here. ;)18:51
johnnynokiaAhh well I thought for nokia pacakages it was different18:52
johnnynokiai know about i think i may still email maintainers, i have a feeling anything on is going to get ignored eheh18:52
johnnynokiafor nokia maintained stuff18:53
dragorncaptlloyd: there are some interesting after-market sound mods for some models, my factory radio had an after-market which tied between the cd and the amp and used a blank cd to activate things18:53
captlloydI bet mine has a CD changer input I could use18:54
captlloydI'll look into both of those options, thanks18:54
GeneralAntillesjohnnynokia, IS Nokia.18:55
mgedminis it?18:55
mgedminokay, it is18:55
el-pollo-locoGeneralAntilles, you need to put the tablet down and go get some sun18:55
johnnynokiaOh yeh, good, hopefully they won't blow it off thanks.18:55
mgedmin(in the sense that bugs will probably be looked at)18:55
el-pollo-locoYou live in Florida and are as white as can be18:56
mgedminbut reporting bugs in closed-source packages on feels wrong to me18:56
* Tak pale in florida as well18:56
GeneralAntillesI can only imagine who that is.18:57
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penguinbaitsorry, I didnt realize I was still a crazy chicken :)18:57
captlloydhey, my camera works18:57
* GeneralAntilles color-corrects his ITT photo. :P18:57
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krbvroc1Hello - anyone here working with/on gmyth?19:01
penguinbaitwhats clever?19:01
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GeneralAntillespenguinb8. ;)19:07
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penguinbaitah, its my alternate, for when I get booted off the IRC and when I come back I am still here?19:15
GeneralAntillesThe inflection was a little weird on the end of that one. :P19:19
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LocutusMapt-get install doesn't work19:27
L0cutusit ask about a package isn't authenticated19:29
L0cutusbut even if i type 'y' or 'Y', it doesn't install the package...19:30
scriptmaemo-launcher: no child 20484 found in the kindergarten o_O19:31
scripti love messages like that one ;-)19:31
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Tak|InFullComplitime to launch a missing persons investigation19:32
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scripthas anyone succeeded in running af-sb-init with a VNC-server instead of xephyr?19:37
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ZiriuzHi all!19:46
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ZiriuzHow can I install new modules in python on my itos 2006?19:48
ZiriuzI need module :)19:49
bstockso, anyone know where to find n810 online in the US? it used to be on but not anymore19:49
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johnnynokiai bought it from a place in new york let me check them19:55
bstockalright cool19:56
bstockalso, the port on the device, is it only a micrsd port? the site doesn't really specify19:56
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bstocker, it looks like it's only minisd, if you want microsd you need an adapter19:58
johnnynokiaAhh alas they now show back order, i pre ordered it from them originally and got it a few weeks ago
johnnynokiayeh it's mini sd or micro with adaptor20:00
GeneralAntillesThey'dve done better to put two micro SD slots in there.20:00
* johnnynokia hugs 81020:01
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GeneralAntillesN810 is a waste of money.20:04
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||cwonly if you don't want gps20:05
johnnynokiaWell if you don't give a damn about integrated keyboard maybe20:05
||cwthat too20:05
johnnynokiato me that's everything.20:06
||cwgot an ad today for n800 for $23020:06
GeneralAntillesI get 30-60wpm on the thumbboard20:06
* Tak|InFullCompli would gladly trade integrated keyboard for two fullsize SDHC slots20:06
GeneralAntillesDon't need a crappy damn hardware keyboard. ;)20:06
GeneralAntillesGPS in the N810 is a joke anyway.20:06
Tak|InFullComplithat reminds me, does anybody want to test rubygame vkb?20:07
melmothwhy a joke ?20:07
mgedminBT GPS with the N800 isn't very serious either20:07
||cwI think I'd use my 770 more if it had the keyboard20:07
mgedminrandom losses of connection are not fun20:07
johnnynokiaYeh depends on needs. I need something i can whip out shell into a server on and fix things even if i'm mountain biking20:07
GeneralAntillesYou're kidding, right, mgedmin?20:07
||cwmgedmin: using gpsd?20:07
mgedminespecially when maemo mapper never notices and thinks you're still in the same place you were 15 minutes ago20:07
GeneralAntillesMy BT GPS is 100%.20:07
mgedminGeneralAntilles: no :(20:07
||cwbt gps is rock solid on my n77020:07
mgedmin||cw: I don't think so; I gave maemo mapper my bluetooth MAC address20:07
mgedminI guess that means no gpsd?20:07
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GeneralAntillesan i-blue fits just perfectly in the watch pocket on my jeans20:08
derfmgedmin: Maemo Mapper just crashes for me when the connection drops.20:08
GeneralAntillesYou on 2.0, derf?20:08
derfNot ye.20:08
||cwolder mappers had that issue on the 770, gpsd support is supposed to fix that20:08
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derf      t.20:08
mgedminit's not that the connection drops -- the connection appears to be alive, except that no data is ever sent on it20:08
GeneralAntillesIt was a bug in dbus or somesuch that he had to work around.20:08
GeneralAntillesIt's been fixed.20:08
mgedminreconnecting helps, after a few attempts20:08
mgedmin||cw: I'll have to try that -- doesn't n800 have gpsd builtin?20:08
derfI assumed it wasn't John's fault.20:09
||cwmgedmin: should be installable20:09
mgedminThings Should Work Out Of The Box20:10
derfBut anyway, the only reason my connection ever "drops" is because I forget and shut off the device while I still have mm open.20:10
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mgedminderf: I know that bug too20:10
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derfOr the battery on it runs out, which is seldom a problem, since it lasts longer than the N800's.20:10
GeneralAntillesYeah, I do that all the time, derf.20:10
mgedminI lost one of my tracks when the GPS battery died and maemo-mapper segfaulted20:10
||cwmgedmin: such the way with 3rd party software20:10
GeneralAntillesIt's actually easier than clicking the close button on the app itself. :P20:10
derfYeah, mm really needs to save the track progressively as it's collected.20:11
GeneralAntilles2.0, derf.20:11
derfHe thinks of everything.20:11
||cwhm, I haven't had a segfault in a long time, I have had mapper just quit though, but i didn't lose the track20:11
celestehmm is my favorite n800 app20:11
GeneralAntillesMost awesome app ever.20:11
GeneralAntillesHonestly, if I were stuck with just maemo mapper and FBReader I'd be a happy camper.20:11
celestehit sold me the tablet20:11
celestehand it just keeps getting better and better20:11
derfWell, sounds like I'll have to upgrade before my next bout of travelling starts up, which is now only a few weeks away.20:12
derfThen I'll be away more often than home until most of February is gone.20:12
GeneralAntillesI'd recommend OS2008, too.20:12
GeneralAntillesSince the db caching kinda slows things down.20:12
derfWell, ideally somewhere in there my N810 will show up.20:13
celestehthe release version is like, next week, isn't it?20:13
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L0cutusi have the bora sdk installed, now i want to install the chinook sdk, can they coexist ?20:17
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ywwgI'm trying to build microb-engine from SVN, and it's not getting mozilla.tar.gz from anywhere.  Where is that supposed to come from?20:38
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ZiriuzIs it possible to install external modules in pymaemo?20:42
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foodshi Dregz21:56
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* foods ┬┐ping? Dregz21:59
* foods ┬┐ping? GeneralAntilles21:59
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Astrohi there22:18
AstroI'm desperately looking for the source to hildon-status-bar-display22:18
Astroany clue on how to find it?22:18
ScreamingAny nokians about? Or are they all (indepedently) doing the indepen-dance?22:18
AstroI'm a bit unfamiliar with apt-get/apt-cache22:18
GeneralAntillesIt's closed, Astro.22:19
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Astrowhy that?22:21
AstroI mean, it's a simple sysfs-writing applet!22:21
GeneralAntillesAsk Nokia.22:21
GeneralAntillesThere's no explaining what they open and what they don't.22:21
GeneralAntillesRetarded, yes22:21
GeneralAntillesbut it is what it is.22:21
Astrois there any list of closed packages?22:21
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deejoeor a version of vrms ;-) ?22:22
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ds3is VFS on the Garnet emulator suppose to work so I can see files on the host (770 or N800)?22:23
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Astrokinda deja-vue, I came here for another package before ;(22:25
ScreamingGuess that's "No" then. Pity. I was wanting to ask why, since IT2008 was supposed to bring the N8x0 more into line with the standard debian disto, the new version now breaks apps from the debian armel distribution. Ones that worked fine under IT2007.22:29
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GNUtonare codes working on Nokia Online Shops?22:30
GeneralAntillesDon't think so just yet, GNUton.22:31
GNUtonhave you tryed?22:32
GeneralAntillesI didn't apply for one.22:32
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GeneralAntillesBut I would notice if people here started using them.22:32
GeneralAntillesYou could try, though, I guess.22:32
Astrois there a way to build webkit-eal already?22:35
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GeneralAntillesNot sure if it'll run under OS2008.22:36
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DregzSomeone please tell me why you would name something Ma emo?22:40
DregzWhere's ma emo?22:40
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deejoeit's in the pocket on your bowling shirt22:40
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ds3nix that last Q, according to ITT, that's a currently nonimplemented feature22:49
_|Nix|_Done :o)22:52
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robsteranyone want to test Tasks for Chinook?23:00
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robsterjohnnynokia: right, is that you volunteering then?23:02
robsterif this works I can do dates.23:03
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johnnynokiarobster: I might be interested if I have time23:04
johnnynokiawhat kind of testing, Tasks is your app?23:04
robsterjohnnynokia: but where it says bora change to chinook23:04
robsterjohnnynokia: www.pimlico-project.org23:05
blitheAnyone order an N800 from recently and have it ship successfully?23:05
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johnnynokiarobster: cool i can install on the way home in few hours and happy to test it out. I'll look for you here later or tomorrow, i'm usually lurking23:13
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Astrois the chinook-firmware for n800 still suffering from the input-doubled bug in osso-xterm? I'm having the n810 image on my n800 and am very annoyed by it.23:20
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GeneralAntillesYes, Astro.23:21
GeneralAntillesIt'll probably be fixed by the final in a week or so.23:21
AstroI can do a simple apt-get upgrade then?23:21
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GeneralAntillesNot likely, Astro.23:24
GeneralAntillesafaik, apt-get upgrade is slightly likely to brick your install.23:24
Astroshould I use dist-upgrade or the application manager gui?23:25
GeneralAntillesI could be wrong.23:25
Astroor will I have to reflash?23:25
GeneralAntillesReflesh, most likely.23:25
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Astrook, I'll remember to make a backup :/23:25
GeneralAntillesIt'll be much less painful than pre-OS2008 backups.23:25
GeneralAntillesIt remembers your installed apps.23:26
GeneralAntillesThe package-only updates are targeted for Diablo.23:26
Astrowhat maemo version is diablo, elephanta?23:27
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GeneralAntillesOS2009 and OS2010 respectively (5.0/6.0)23:28
GeneralAntillesWe may see it before Diablo23:28
GeneralAntillesBut I'm not Nokia, so I couldn't say. :D23:28
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K`zanMy bt gps just arrived :-)!!!  Charging while I RTFM (really!).23:42
GeneralAntillesIt's a bluetooth GPS23:43
GeneralAntillesTurn it on, use it. ;)23:43
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K`zanAs soon as I finish the manual, no idea how to connect it to the n800 at this point.23:50
GeneralAntillesJust connect it. :P23:51
K`zanHeh, somehow with bluetooth, which I turned off after the bt heaset wouldn't work.23:51
GeneralAntillesJust go to Control Panel and hit the GPS item.23:52
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K`zanHeh, actually turned it off last night for the first time since I got it :).23:53
K`zanGonna have to compile my own kernel, tired of the green begs...23:54
AstroI just did my 1st working kernel yesterday23:54
Astrobe sure to exclude PREEMPT and keep the null cpufreq governor23:55
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Astrounfortunately I've found nothing about framebuffer console on teh intarweb :-(23:55
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K`zanAstro: At this point I am clueless about doing this for the n800.  Def preempt, why that is NOT the default evades me.23:56
GeneralAntilles"green begs"?23:57
K`zanGeneralAntilles: That was easy enough, the longer I have this thing the more I love it.23:58
K`zan"something along the lines of:  Your battery is charged, unplug the charger to save energy.  Really, this crap is geting past absurd...23:58
AstroK`zan: I guess modules compiled w/o PREEMPT don't work on PREEMPT kernels23:59
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AstroK`zan: mine just rebootet upon connecting wifi23:59
K`zanAs soon as I unplug the charger it needs to be charged :)23:59
GeneralAntillesThat pisses me off to no end23:59
K`zanAstro: SO much to learn here....23:59
GeneralAntillesLet me know if you manage a fix, I'll take that in a heartbeat. ;)23:59
GeneralAntillesEverybody vote on that bug!23:59

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