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| halley | Meh, silly me, tried to reboot while I was away from my computer; it failed to boot. | 00:02 |
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| halley | Now I have to figure out why. | 00:03 |
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| * timeless cries | 00:13 | |
| timeless | is there any way to make sed use something other than // as the regexp delim? | 00:14 |
| |R | why? | 00:14 |
| |R | too many \/ ? :) | 00:15 |
| derf | \,expression, | 00:15 |
| halley | timeless, sure, use perl ;) | 00:16 |
| halley | timeless, is your sed task just a one-liner with just one s/// ? | 00:16 |
| timeless | halley: perl isn't included in older os's | 00:16 |
| timeless | i'm doing 2 greps and then 2 replaces | 00:16 |
| halley | Like a PDP-11/4A? | 00:16 |
| timeless | os2007 | 00:16 |
| timeless | and i don't want to require perl | 00:17 |
| halley | Understood. | 00:17 |
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| |R | timeless : what's the replacement? or the problem? | 00:17 |
| timeless | OLDUP='<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_scrollLineUp" />' | 00:17 |
| timeless | NEWUP='<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_movePageUp"/>' | 00:17 |
| timeless | REPLACELINES="'s{$OLDUP}{$NEWUP}; s{$OLDDOWN}{$NEWDOWN}'" | 00:17 |
| timeless | that'd be perl.... | 00:17 |
| timeless | but again, OLDUP is also fed to grep -F atm | 00:17 |
| halley | Yeah, painful. | 00:18 |
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| halley | sed doesn't have a \Q either. | 00:18 |
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| timeless | of course not :) | 00:18 |
| timeless | i guess i just double escape | 00:18 |
| halley | whack back bo back, slash bash a wo dash... | 00:19 |
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| * timeless cries | 00:21 | |
| timeless | would someone else please just make this shell magic for me? :) | 00:21 |
| |R | i would? | 00:22 |
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| |R | you just want to match the full OLDUP and replace with the full NEWUP or can i use something smaller? | 00:22 |
| timeless | the reason i'm using full strings is that i'm afraid their might be other random stuff in the file | 00:23 |
| |R | ok | 00:23 |
| timeless | and i don't want to change anything that's not *exactly* what i'm looking for | 00:23 |
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| timeless | there's also an OLDDOWN and NEWDOWN of course | 00:23 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2423#c5 | 00:23 |
| timeless | has the various strings | 00:23 |
| |R | 2 sec... | 00:24 |
| halley | By the way, timeless, you need a space before your slash in NEWUP. | 00:24 |
| timeless | ? | 00:24 |
| halley | I think "proper" xml requires a space before that /> | 00:24 |
| xan | timeless, you can't do that from your editor or am I missing something? | 00:24 |
| timeless | no | 00:24 |
| timeless | "polite xhtml" requests a space | 00:24 |
| halley | xan, he's scripting. | 00:24 |
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| xan | ok, I was missing something then | 00:24 |
| timeless | xan: i'm .deb'ing | 00:24 |
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| timeless | xan: if i was local, i could use cp/scp and i wouldn't have any qualms about perl | 00:26 |
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| halley | timeless, I would have done a (.)> in the pattern, and a \1> in the replacement. | 00:26 |
| xan | timeless, I think we ship perl "by mistake" in OS2008 or something, but maybe you already know this | 00:27 |
| timeless | xan: i think someone thought it was intentional | 00:27 |
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| timeless | but either way, i want this to work in 2006/2007 | 00:27 |
| |R | | sed 's/<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_scrollLineUp" \/>/<handler event="keypress" keycode="VK_UP" command="cmd_movePageUp"\/>/' | 00:27 |
| xan | right | 00:27 |
| timeless | so i don't care if perl is in or out for 2008 | 00:27 |
| |R | this doesn't work? | 00:27 |
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| |R | (testing on the OS2008b now... this was from a stock debian) | 00:27 |
| timeless | |r: it's not very "clean" | 00:27 |
| timeless | remember, there are two consumers | 00:27 |
| timeless | a grep to verify the lines exist | 00:28 |
| timeless | and a sed to replace them | 00:28 |
| timeless | if the grep says "i couldn't find X", it aborts | 00:28 |
| |R | ok? | 00:28 |
| timeless | but, presumably it'd work | 00:29 |
| |R | actually... | 00:29 |
| |R | why not use sed -e directly on the file ? | 00:29 |
| timeless | ? | 00:29 |
| |R | sed can edit files... | 00:29 |
| |R | you won't have to use grep | 00:29 |
| timeless | the constraints are readability | 00:29 |
| timeless | and verifying that the file is in a correct state before munging it | 00:29 |
| timeless | if the file is in an unexpected state, i don't want to munge it partway | 00:30 |
| |R | let me look at the bug report :) | 00:30 |
| timeless | the bug report doesn't mention such details :) | 00:30 |
| |R | hehe ok | 00:30 |
| |R | then... what are the variables? | 00:30 |
| timeless | it just has all the strings :) | 00:30 |
| timeless | those you can get from the bug report :) | 00:30 |
| |R | ok and it this has to be readable because ... ? | 00:31 |
| |R | (i find it readable, but then again i did way too many bash hacks ;) | 00:31 |
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| timeless | normally only i can read my own scripts | 00:32 |
| timeless | it doesn't technically have to be readable, i suppose | 00:32 |
| |R | it's to do a package that will fix it ? | 00:32 |
| timeless | yeah | 00:32 |
| |R | $clear | 00:32 |
| |R | oops | 00:32 |
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| |R | uhm kay... well, and the test you do is grep ? | 00:32 |
| |R | and if so, how is a full match in sed different from grep ? | 00:33 |
| timeless | ? | 00:33 |
| timeless | the regexp could be valid for both sed and grep | 00:34 |
| |R | you said you didnt want to munch the file | 00:34 |
| timeless | the key is that right | 00:34 |
| timeless | if the file doesn't have the lines i want changed | 00:34 |
| timeless | e..g it only has 1 of the 2 lines | 00:34 |
| timeless | then i don't want to change it at all | 00:34 |
| timeless | i want to abort() | 00:34 |
| |R | oh ok | 00:34 |
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| |R | then grep both... and then sed the file | 00:34 |
| timeless | right | 00:34 |
| |R | or... | 00:35 |
| timeless | but having each of those very long strings | 00:35 |
| |R | sed both lines at the same time :) | 00:35 |
| timeless | becomes fairly hard to read | 00:35 |
| |R | yeah... do you just want to replace part of the command ? | 00:36 |
| |R | like verify you're in between brackets < /> .. | 00:36 |
| timeless | no | 00:36 |
| |R | but i'm not sure you can save much then | 00:36 |
| timeless | the verification is that the entire lines are present | 00:36 |
| |R | just go with a full line, i don't see any real choice | 00:36 |
| |R | ugly lines require ugly lines to be fixed :) | 00:37 |
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| * |R still has to succeed making a debian package to be able to package fixes ;) | 00:41 | |
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| timeless | ok, i think i got it | 00:47 |
| timeless | anyone wanna be my victim? :) | 00:47 |
| |tbb| | timeless whatsup | 00:49 |
| timeless | hrm, actually, one more change to make | 00:49 |
| timeless | gimme 10mins | 00:49 |
| |tbb| | for what | 00:50 |
| * timeless ponders | 00:50 | |
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| timeless | silly question | 00:50 |
| timeless | if someone installs a package which enables 2423 | 00:50 |
| timeless | and then later chooses to deinstall it | 00:50 |
| timeless | do i assume they want snav.enabled to be true again? | 00:50 |
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| halley | I think the custom is to make a .bak on installation, and revert on deinstallation? | 00:51 |
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| halley | Otherwise, if it was already enabled (the install was a noop), it would be a pita for deinstall to change things. | 00:52 |
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| |R | where is the back stored? | 00:52 |
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| timeless | that's not going to work | 00:52 |
| timeless | because other random prefs might have changed | 00:53 |
| halley | Well look into it because I see .debbak or something like it... | 00:53 |
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| halley | Maybe they don't use the backup but they leave it for clues. | 00:53 |
| |R | timeless : well just do the reverse sed | 00:53 |
| timeless | |r: that's easy for these two | 00:53 |
| timeless | the question is for snav.enabled | 00:54 |
| |R | what's that? :) | 00:54 |
| timeless | which someone could choose to enable/disable at will | 00:54 |
| timeless | it's the other show | 00:54 |
| timeless | shoe | 00:54 |
| timeless | if you don't disable it, the bindings are basically ignored | 00:54 |
| |R | prompt the user with a question? | 00:55 |
| pupnik | http://antiwar.com/blog/category/antiwar-radio | 00:55 |
| halley | apt-get may be run by a gui, |R | 00:55 |
| halley | can't do things with user prompts really | 00:55 |
| |R | halley : yes and they can show questions like application manager no? | 00:55 |
| halley | can, but try like hell not to | 00:56 |
| |R | urhm | 00:56 |
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| eido | hey has anyone played with the N810's GPS services / mapping? i'm running a piece o crap windows based GPS in the car now, if i could use the gps mapper on the N810, would give me another reason to get one. how is it? | 00:56 |
| Sho_ | eido: you can read a couple of experiences threads in the forums on internettablettalk.com | 00:58 |
| eido | ahh. | 00:58 |
| spikebike | I've heard it's horid | 00:58 |
| Sho_ | eido: people seem to be largely disappointed right now, although the "real" payware car nav software is only going live later this month | 00:58 |
| eido | Sho_, i keep running into you :) | 00:58 |
| ccooke | eido: It's not properly available yet anyway | 00:58 |
| spikebike | I.e. 30 mintues to get a lock | 00:58 |
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| eidolon | spikebike, ow | 00:58 |
| eidolon | i have no problems paying for a real car nav system that runs on the 810. | 00:59 |
| spikebike | one a single case | 00:59 |
| spikebike | only a single case | 00:59 |
| spikebike | I'm enjoying a n800 + $50 gps which rocks | 00:59 |
| Sho_ | Haven't heard a 30m horror story yet, most people seem to say 40-120s | 00:59 |
| Sho_ | The bigger problem is that the free app included with ITOS2008 appears to be utter crap - the payware version would supposedly be better | 00:59 |
| spikebike | 40-120 is very reasonable | 00:59 |
| eidolon | i also have an external GPS receiver (bluetooth) if necessar,but i don't want to tie up my BT radio doing GPS | 00:59 |
| spikebike | sho yeah it's about 1% as nice as maemo mapper | 01:00 |
| spikebike | sho and doesn't do routing which I was shocked by | 01:00 |
| Sho_ | spikebike: routing is the payware feature, yeah | 01:00 |
| * Sho_ doesn't have his N810 yet, still waiting for that developer discount code to work | 01:00 | |
| spikebike | I thought the pay for version was turn by turn | 01:00 |
| eidolon | TbT navigatio on the 810 would be -just fine- | 01:00 |
| spikebike | in any case the free nokia nav maps are pretty gross | 01:01 |
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| eidolon | well, as i said. if there's a commercial version that's good, i'll buy that, assumig it's not like $300 or something. | 01:01 |
| Sho_ | eidolon: $130 iirc | 01:02 |
| eidolon | last bit. can the 810 act as a client for the BT HFI profiel? (hands free, aka headphone). i want to listen to music or the like on the 810, and have it also linked to my BT phone in my backpack so i jut have to have my phone 'somewhere', not at hand. | 01:02 |
| spikebike | I think ti's something like $50 a year | 01:02 |
| eidolon | sorry, HFP | 01:03 |
| Sho_ | I don't actually have a car though, so I can't say I followed it up-close so far ;) | 01:03 |
| dragorn | The gps on the 810 is a lot slower than my sirf3 to lock | 01:03 |
| dragorn | but the sirf3 is a pretty good chipset | 01:04 |
| eidolon | any ideas on the bt profile? | 01:04 |
| dragorn | The maps looked the same as I recall the n800+navkit maps looking, they've got the 1-way data, etc, just missing nav capability w/out paying | 01:04 |
| dragorn | I don't think buying the commercial nav stuff gets you new maps, just nav/tbt | 01:04 |
| * eidolon nods. | 01:05 | |
| dragorn | eidolon: I didn't see anything to support it in the base OS | 01:05 |
| dragorn | if I think of it, and it isn't absolutely frigid out | 01:05 |
| eidolon | dragorn, *nods* nuts :( | 01:05 |
| dragorn | I'll try to link it to my car tonight when I go out | 01:05 |
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| eidolon | i've been trying to do things like that for years :( | 01:05 |
| dragorn | eidolon: Well, depending on the alsa version it should be relatively easy to hack in | 01:05 |
| eidolon | well, its' a whole bunch of pieces. you'd need something that would act as the BT HFP profile handelr on the 810, and conect up / listen, then you'd need a control interface of some sort. "answer" "hang up" at the very least. | 01:06 |
| dragorn | pcm.bluetooth { type bluetooth; device aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff; } is the standard way w/ hcid | 01:06 |
| eidolon | after that, you could just bind that to the mic / alsa sound output, and come up with a way to mute music when a call comes in. | 01:07 |
| dragorn | true, you'd need the answer/hang up reactions | 01:07 |
| eidolon | but i have a lot more faith in being able to do this on an 810 than on my treo. *spit* | 01:07 |
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| dragorn | well, I'm willing to see what it does when associated to my car, ping me later tonight and see if I actually did the test | 01:09 |
| timeless | oh right | 01:09 |
| timeless | anyone here remember how to killall a process? | 01:09 |
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| dragorn | i don't see anything in the config to handle bt headsets | 01:09 |
| * eidolon nods. | 01:09 | |
| dragorn | timeless: like, in general? killall procname | 01:09 |
| eidolon | well | 01:09 |
| eidolon | remember, its' the other way around | 01:09 |
| timeless | in maemo :) | 01:09 |
| eidolon | i don't want the 810 to talk to a headset. i want it to essentiually -be- a headset. | 01:09 |
| spikebike | ah | 01:10 |
| spikebike | saw a discussion on that somewhere | 01:10 |
| dragorn | eidolon: ohhh | 01:10 |
| * timeless frowns | 01:10 | |
| timeless | can someone please explain application manager to me? | 01:10 |
| dragorn | eidolon: heh, ok. well i have to jet, I don't think theres any functionality for that though | 01:10 |
| timeless | i think i managed to get the installer ui w/o the application manager | 01:10 |
| timeless | and i think, um.... it's broken :) | 01:10 |
| spikebike | what I want is something that looks like a bluetooth gps to be a bluetooth gsm widget | 01:10 |
| spikebike | for voice AND data. | 01:11 |
| spikebike | then I could use my n800 as a cell phone | 01:11 |
| eidolon | spikebike, ummmmm. oh i see | 01:11 |
| eidolon | brb | 01:11 |
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| geoffeg | So i installed scratchbox and the sdk. I'm writing my code in eclipse and saving it to ~/workspace/TestApp but when i launch scratchbox i can't see ~/workspace/TestApp | 01:20 |
| geoffeg | I realize that scratchbox gives me my own sandboxed environment and ~ in scratchbox is not ~ outside scratchbox. | 01:20 |
| geoffeg | What's the best way to be able to develop with eclipse outside of scratchbox and still access the code inside scratchbox? | 01:21 |
| pupnik | use vi | 01:21 |
| geoffeg | no thanks :) | 01:21 |
| pupnik | ok | 01:22 |
| pupnik | scratcbox puts all your code into the /scratchbox dir | 01:23 |
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| derf | Use ln -s | 01:24 |
| geoffeg | is /scratchbox/users/geoffeg/home/geoffeg the right directory for ~ inside scratchbox? that seems obtuse? | 01:24 |
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| ccooke | works... | 01:25 |
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| dragorn | eidolon: my phone sees the 810 as a headset audio gateway | 01:30 |
| Atarii | so how do i extract the skype bin from the 2008 version? | 01:31 |
| dragorn | eidolon: but not a handsfree headset | 01:31 |
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| Atarii | nvm | 01:35 |
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| lardman | evening | 01:39 |
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| timeless | ooops | 01:41 |
| * timeless just made prefs.js only readable by root | 01:41 | |
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| * lardman is trying to understand where the error: dld_cmd_spec.l:194: error: `yytext_ptr' undeclared (first use in this function), comes from? | 01:42 | |
| dragorn | lardman: yacc | 01:43 |
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| dragorn | lardman: or yacc generated code | 01:43 |
| ericz | so.. there's no such thing as Skype for the 770, huh? :/ | 01:43 |
| lardman | dragorn: yes, the latter | 01:43 |
| dragorn | lardman: perhaps a uselessly nonspecific answer | 01:43 |
| timeless | ok, someone want to try: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb | 01:45 |
| lardman | I had hoped that compiling dsp_dld to emit more debugging info so I could debug this message (http://maemo.pastebin.com/m369572a6) would be easier... | 01:45 |
| timeless | note: use at your own risk, your device may be destroyed, etc :) | 01:45 |
| timeless | someone? | 01:46 |
| lardman | sorry timeless, bit busy atm | 01:46 |
| timeless | note: browser must not be open when you install the package | 01:46 |
| * timeless still needs to write the bit where it kills the browser | 01:46 | |
| timeless | which is of course annoying | 01:47 |
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| timeless | cool, package seems to work other than that detail | 01:47 |
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| timeless | is there a convenient way to prompt "you're about to lose your browser, please confirm" from deb installs on maemo? :) | 01:48 |
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| lardman | ah, flex -l seems to do the trick | 01:48 |
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| lardman | oops, my new dsp_dld killed it | 01:53 |
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| acydlord | didnt monkey track urls | 03:26 |
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| halley | I really wish the default backup name was an ISO date, not "Backup". | 03:37 |
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| acydlord | that would be nice halley | 03:59 |
| acydlord | if you backup via rsync you get dates instead of backup | 03:59 |
| halley | acydlord, rsync by itself doesn't do that, so what backup-by-rsync are you referring? | 04:00 |
| acydlord | http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups | 04:01 |
| acydlord | i believe there was an rdiff application too | 04:02 |
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| penguinbait | where a monkey when you need one | 04:31 |
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| lopz | bye | 07:17 |
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| halley | I got maemocjk working on n810... woo. | 07:28 |
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| acydlord | anyone get xchat working on os2008 yet? i'm too lazy to look around | 07:31 |
| rip_ | lol | 07:32 |
| rip_ | yep works fine | 07:32 |
| rip_ | google for : chinook Xchat | 07:32 |
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| rip_ | and it will spit out a skyhusker addy | 07:32 |
| acydlord | cool thanks | 07:32 |
| acydlord | the one in the repo i have keeps giving me a conflict , i'll check that first | 07:33 |
| rip_ | theres an Xchat in the repository for Chinook ? | 07:34 |
| acydlord | i batch added the repos from one of the sites | 07:35 |
| rip_ | if you got the bora version, it will prob bomb out | 07:35 |
| rip_ | I tried that last time and had a heap of dependencies and conflicts | 07:35 |
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| acydlord | looks like its the one from maemo-hackers i'm seeing | 07:36 |
| dragorn | http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg | 07:36 |
| dragorn | woot. | 07:36 |
| rip_ | haha | 07:37 |
| rip_ | how sweet is that :p | 07:37 |
| rip_ | too bad the wispy's are dirty expencive | 07:37 |
| dragorn | That's w/ no hildonizing, too | 07:37 |
| dragorn | so that's the next step | 07:38 |
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| rip_ | i'd love to get a wispy :p are there going to be packages available ? | 07:38 |
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| rip_ | for OS2008 | 07:39 |
| dragorn | yeah | 07:39 |
| dragorn | i'll make packages once I hildonize it | 07:39 |
| rip_ | cool :) | 07:39 |
| dragorn | also i need to fix the root thing | 07:39 |
| rip_ | good work :D | 07:39 |
| |R | hehe | 07:40 |
| dragorn | right now it has to be launched as root | 07:40 |
| rip_ | ahh ok | 07:41 |
| rip_ | you want just a regular user able to launch without sudo ? | 07:41 |
| |R | just add a sudoers line? | 07:41 |
| dragorn | Well, theres other things implied there | 07:42 |
| dragorn | like you don't get the hildon prefs for the gtk widgets if you just sudo load it | 07:42 |
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| rip_ | ahh ok | 07:42 |
| |R | oh | 07:42 |
| acydlord | sweet, got xchat installed thanks | 07:42 |
| dragorn | so i might have to make a little root process which controls the USB and feeds the data up or something | 07:43 |
| dragorn | or see if I can change the usb device permissions sanely | 07:43 |
| |R | this absolutely needs a wi.spy device, won't work with internal wifi? :) | 07:44 |
| dragorn | yeah | 07:45 |
| dragorn | sorry | 07:45 |
| |R | np :) | 07:45 |
| |R | just wondering | 07:45 |
| dragorn | totally different voodoo to decode frames vs. raw signal levels | 07:45 |
| dragorn | tho someone could do a gtk kismet client still :P | 07:46 |
| dragorn | that'll be the next thing, history has embittered me to kismet on these things so i was messing w/ the spectools stuff first | 07:46 |
| |R | have you got kismet running on 2008? :) | 07:46 |
| dragorn | since no-one else sent maemo patches I may finally be inspired enough by the 810 to get it going | 07:46 |
| dragorn | especially w/ the built-in gps | 07:46 |
| |R | yeah :) | 07:46 |
| anthrobug | i just got kismet running on 2008 | 07:46 |
| dragorn | maybe try a few usb NICs and see if it has enough juice | 07:46 |
| dragorn | I expect it'll run, I don't know what the drivers look like offhand | 07:47 |
| rip_ | how much is the new wispy these days ? | 07:47 |
| anthrobug | you having trouble with kismet? | 07:47 |
| dragorn | anthrobug: I wrote kismet :P | 07:47 |
| rip_ | I remember it over 500 bucks when I first saw it | 07:47 |
| |R | ;) | 07:47 |
| anthrobug | sweet! | 07:47 |
| anthrobug | it's a dream on the 800 | 07:47 |
| dragorn | anthrobug: There are issues with maemo, always have been, I posted a list of things I wanted to see before I did maemo packages | 07:47 |
| rip_ | oh cool | 07:47 |
| rip_ | I love kismet :p | 07:47 |
| dragorn | but I may get around to doing them myself now that I have the 810 | 07:48 |
| anthrobug | did they address what you were looking for? | 07:48 |
| |R | like what? :) | 07:48 |
| anthrobug | It's working great, thank you for this wonderful program | 07:48 |
| dragorn | anthrobug: No-one sent any patches, so, no :P | 07:49 |
| dragorn | Mainly talking to the wifi app to keep it offline, auto-launching in an xterm, figuring out how to clean up after when the drivers get confused | 07:49 |
| rip_ | Wasn't there issues with the Chipset in Maemo with kismet working correctly ? | 07:49 |
| rip_ | or is that all in my head... | 07:49 |
| anthrobug | so far I haven't had a problem with the cleanup - I see the warning but it's been stable after quitting | 07:50 |
| dragorn | and having some mechanism to tie into the gps system | 07:50 |
| dragorn | Well, if the maemo drivers are stable coming out of rfmon now | 07:50 |
| dragorn | thats a big step | 07:50 |
| dragorn | also the newcore ui will get mouse support sometime in the reasonable future | 07:50 |
| dragorn | which would make a tablet ui much saner if I just made newcore packages | 07:50 |
| anthrobug | this is on that beta released two weeks ago | 07:51 |
| anthrobug | yea, the keyboard kills the interface | 07:51 |
| rip_ | ahh ok sweet | 07:51 |
| rip_ | I have the N800, I prefer no keyboard | 07:51 |
| rip_ | but I understand why people want one | 07:51 |
| dragorn | I never liked the 800 hw design | 07:51 |
| * |R still waiting for dev codes activation ... | 07:51 | |
| anthrobug | it's just ugly without a bluetooth keyboard | 07:52 |
| dragorn | the 810 makes me very happy | 07:52 |
| dragorn | I still miss the hard cover from the 770, too | 07:52 |
| rip_ | you owned each version of the tablets ? | 07:52 |
| dragorn | yeah | 07:52 |
| anthrobug | yea, the keyboard really changes the device, im missing it bigtime | 07:52 |
| rip_ | with that photo you posted of wispy on the n810, are you using any special cables ? or just adapters to fit the usb together ? | 07:54 |
| dragorn | It's a micro-a-male to a-male, and an a-a coupler | 07:55 |
| rip_ | ahh ok cool | 07:55 |
| anthrobug | whats that for? | 07:55 |
| rip_ | give me an excuse to fork out some cash with the wispy when the packages will work :) | 07:55 |
| rip_ | cheers | 07:55 |
| dragorn | anthrobug: what's what for? | 07:55 |
| anthrobug | usb cable | 07:55 |
| |R | hehe check the picture ;) | 07:56 |
| anthrobug | male to male, isn't that different than the built in connector? | 07:56 |
| dragorn | the OTG micro-ab needs a micro-a male to put it in host mode | 07:56 |
| dragorn | the cable I found happened to go to A male | 07:56 |
| dragorn | so I had a coupler handy | 07:57 |
| anthrobug | ah, i saw something about that - I'm new to the n800, just figuring all this out | 07:57 |
| dragorn | the 800 is even funnier | 07:57 |
| dragorn | tho you can set host mode programmatically | 07:57 |
| anthrobug | I thought I needed to flash with that host mode to get root, but then I found gainroot | 07:57 |
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| anthrobug | what else do you use host mode for? | 07:58 |
| dragorn | if you set redpill mode I believe it unlocks gainroot | 07:58 |
| |R | anybody ever tried to lock the device then flash it ? | 07:58 |
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| |R | Just curious what it would do, would it lock on first boot? | 07:59 |
| dragorn | anthrobug: Use host mode for? Nothing yet, I only got the cables tonight, then I was out for a few hours, then it took a while to install scratchbox and ubuntu in a vm | 08:00 |
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| anthrobug | have a good night y'all, nice meeting you dragorn & Thank you! | 08:02 |
| * |R wonders how big is the tablet market now for os2008 | 08:02 | |
| |R | see ya anthrobug :) | 08:03 |
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| oil | and good day | 08:05 |
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| acydlord | i just noticed that the devicescape repo that was added from the nokia user site back in the early days went all borked | 08:21 |
| acydlord | and i do not enjoy using vi on my n800 lol | 08:21 |
| |R | i do :P | 08:22 |
| acydlord | i've gotten rusty in my vi commands which is the main part | 08:22 |
| acydlord | i should get that mug with all the vi commands on it | 08:22 |
| |R | hehe and one that fades with heat, so when you refill your coffee you can practice your memory ;) | 08:23 |
| acydlord | lol, that would be a nifty mug | 08:24 |
| K`zan | Should I have two hildon-desktop processes? | 08:24 |
| acydlord | i noticed it has changed from sudo gainroot to sudo gainroot - | 08:24 |
| acydlord | i only had one hildon-destop thread, is one of them gobbling up resources? | 08:25 |
| K`zan | dunno, perhaps a shutdown and restart and check again. | 08:26 |
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| |R | uhm i have 2 | 08:26 |
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| K`zan | Was trying to apt-get update earlier and it couldn't get lock and I can't see why. Been up for over a week so probably won't hurt. | 08:27 |
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| |R | app manager was not open? :) | 08:28 |
| K`zan | No Sir | 08:29 |
| |R | urhm! :) | 08:29 |
| K`zan | Still have two and dups of at least one more. | 08:29 |
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| K`zan | ssh root@n800 | 08:29 |
| K`zan | ww | 08:29 |
| K`zan | OK, now apt-get update runs! | 08:31 |
| K`zan | wumpus: GPG error: http://tuomas.kulve.fi chinook Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY | 08:32 |
| K`zan | That explains it :) | 08:32 |
| |R | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/pgp.txt | 08:32 |
| K`zan | Where does that got to keep apt happy? | 08:32 |
| |R | apt-hey add that :) | 08:32 |
| |R | apt-key | 08:33 |
| |R | get the file | 08:33 |
| |R | apt-key add pgp.txt | 08:33 |
| |R | should work.. | 08:33 |
| K`zan | I will be SO glad when xchat is ready for 2008 :) | 08:33 |
| flatface | I thought it was ported already | 08:33 |
| K`zan | Gonna have to mount the SDs and copy it over that way. | 08:33 |
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| K`zan | wb GeneralAntilles | 08:34 |
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| K`zan | Not anyplace I have seen - 2007 yes, 2008 no :-(. Unless I am missing something | 08:37 |
| K`zan | |R: That worked, thanks much! | 08:38 |
| acydlord | i just googled chinook xchat on my n800 | 08:39 |
| |R | :) | 08:39 |
| acydlord | and opened the deb in the first link for skyhuskers | 08:39 |
| K`zan | acydlord: Where did you find it, just check and all I find is references to bora for xchat. | 08:41 |
| acydlord | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 08:41 |
| acydlord | in the bottom of that dir | 08:41 |
| acydlord | is the white background in the status bar on pidgin and xchat just a gtk issue? | 08:42 |
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| K`zan | no wget LOL | 08:43 |
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| * blithe bahs at buy.com still not shipping his n800. | 08:50 | |
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| blithe | I hope they didn't have to order it themselves first. :P | 08:53 |
| |R | hehe | 08:55 |
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| blithe | Though I have had experiences where a place says something hasn't shipped, and then it shows up at my door. | 08:58 |
| blithe | Can't get my hopes up though. :P | 08:58 |
| flatface | happens all the time with directcanada for me. but I've heard a lot of people saying that their buy.com orders have an estimated date around the 12th. | 08:59 |
| K`zan_800 | acydlord: Works! Thank you Sir! | 09:00 |
| K`zan | Humm, no "|" on the n800 | 09:00 |
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| blithe | Hrm. I pushed mine through google checkout. I wonder if it has an ETA. | 09:04 |
| blithe | flatface: Are these people who ordered the black friday special? | 09:07 |
| flatface | yep. | 09:07 |
| blithe | Dang. I hope I get it before next Saturday. I have to leave then. | 09:07 |
| flatface | good luck | 09:08 |
| blithe | You think it's hopeless? | 09:08 |
| flatface | No, sorry, I was actually being earnest there | 09:08 |
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| blithe | haha | 09:08 |
| blithe | Hard to pick up on sarcasm. :P | 09:08 |
| flatface | I'm normally pretty sarcastic, though | 09:09 |
| * blithe grins | 09:09 | |
| flatface | I got mine though special order at staples, but it did cost a bit more. No shipping cost, employee discount and I had store credit, though. | 09:10 |
| blithe | Oh, there's a thing where I can update my shipping address. | 09:10 |
| blithe | Maybe if it doesn't say shipped by this weekend, I'll change it. | 09:10 |
| flatface | mm, good idea | 09:11 |
| * flatface is kind of glad he wrecked his Palm TX now that he has the n800 | 09:12 | |
| blithe | haha | 09:12 |
| blithe | I'm hearing so many positive things. | 09:12 |
| flatface | It's great. | 09:13 |
| * |R trying to clear marble level 11.. | 09:13 | |
| blithe | I'm hoping it's truly a device I want to carry everywhere. | 09:13 |
| flatface | I'm even spending more time on it than my laptop. | 09:13 |
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| K`zan | Enough fun for the day, night all and THANKS for all the help and all the goodies :). | 09:17 |
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| corevette | i have a memory card for my nokia 770, but when i try to write stuff on it via my computer, it never saves on it? | 09:19 |
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| flatface | corevette: Connected with USB or with a memory card reader? | 09:19 |
| corevette | flatface: memory card reader | 09:20 |
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| corevette | flatface: but i tried both | 09:20 |
| flatface | corevette: What OS? | 09:20 |
| corevette | flatface: ubuntu gutsy | 09:21 |
| flatface | Ah, okay: | 09:21 |
| flatface | Make sure the card's not read only, and once you're done writing to it, you'll have to unmount it. Simply unplugging the card isn't something *nix likes. | 09:22 |
| corevette | yes i do unmount | 09:23 |
| corevette | but how do i check if it's read only | 09:23 |
| flatface | Assuming it's an SD card, there should be a little tab on one of the sides. | 09:23 |
| flatface | The position closest to the pins is where you want it. Away from them is the locked position. | 09:23 |
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| flatface | another way of checking is to plug it in, and when it's mounted, open up a terminal and type mount with no extra parameters. | 09:25 |
| flatface | look for the mountpoint. if it says (rw), it's good, but if it says (ro), it's read only. | 09:25 |
| Dooms | hey can any of you guys watch this video i made? And yes im the girl | 09:25 |
| Dooms | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eXdkyAyOcGo | 09:25 |
| flatface | ..spam? | 09:26 |
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| corevette | flatface: the sd card doesn't have a switch | 09:27 |
| corevette | flatface: it's one of those ones where it's only a half an sd card, and you have to put the extender on it when you use the card reader to get it back out | 09:27 |
| flatface | oh, you're using a mini/microsd card with an adapter? | 09:27 |
| corevette | yes | 09:27 |
| corevette | hold on | 09:28 |
| flatface | the adapter might have a switch. | 09:28 |
| flatface | I know mine does | 09:28 |
| corevette | flatface: http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0180.jpg | 09:28 |
| corevette | http://corevette.googlepages.com/SSPX0180.jpg | 09:28 |
| corevette | sorry for horrible quality | 09:28 |
| flatface | Woah, that's odd. | 09:28 |
| corevette | /dev/sda1 on /media/RICK 770 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree) | 09:30 |
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| corevette | flatface: ^^ | 09:30 |
| flatface | That should work fine. :/ | 09:30 |
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| corevette | so i just drag and drop the files via nautilus, unmount, and put the card back it, the files are gone | 09:31 |
| flatface | I'm running out of ideas here, heh. You sure it's not out of space? also try typing dmesg and seeing if there are any odd errors relating to the card | 09:31 |
| corevette | Free SPace: 1.8G | 09:32 |
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| corevette | flatface: http://pastebin.com/m4d4ef5d2 | 09:33 |
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| flatface | Odd messages indeed. | 09:34 |
| corevette | flatface: linux issue? memory card issue? i know your out of ideas, but can you narrow it down? | 09:35 |
| jeddy3 | corevette, if you sync the device in terminal? ...thats what unmount does in theory, but it's worth a try | 09:35 |
| corevette | what do you mean jeddy3 | 09:36 |
| flatface | I hope I can, but I might not be that good. I/O errors are never good and may be either hardware or a formatting error. I'd try using fsck on it. | 09:36 |
| jeddy3 | open terminal, run command "sync /dev/sdb" or wherever your card resides | 09:37 |
| flatface | jeddy3: you see the dmesg output? pretty sure i/o errors won't be fixed with that | 09:37 |
| corevette | corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ sync /media/RICK\ 770/ | 09:38 |
| corevette | sync: ignoring all arguments | 09:38 |
| corevette | corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ | 09:38 |
| flatface | that's the mountpoint, it has to be run on the device point (/dev/sdxy) | 09:38 |
| flatface | sda in this case | 09:39 |
| jeddy3 | flatface, no didn't check...just thought i'd chip in before scurrying of to meeting :) | 09:39 |
| flatface | jeddy3: well, you taught me a new command today. thanks :D | 09:39 |
| corevette | corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ sync /dev/sda1 | 09:39 |
| corevette | sync: ignoring all arguments | 09:39 |
| jeddy3 | flatface, :D, in theory, i think thats excactly what unmount actually do, but sometimes you can get some extra information from terminal | 09:40 |
| flatface | apparently sync doesn't need any arguments (according to the manpage) | 09:40 |
| * corevette is thinking of giving up | 09:41 | |
| flatface | corevette: unmount it, then fsck /dev/sda1 | 09:41 |
| corevette | sorry to spam | 09:43 |
| corevette | corevette@corevette-desktop:~$ fsck /dev/sda1 | 09:43 |
| corevette | fsck 1.40.2 (12-Jul-2007) | 09:43 |
| corevette | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN | 09:43 |
| corevette | /dev/sda1: 10 files, 2065/62003 clusters | 09:43 |
| flatface | Was that it? | 09:43 |
| corevette | yes | 09:43 |
| |R | why give sync an argument? | 09:43 |
| corevette | well thanks anyways | 09:45 |
| flatface | corevette: I personally think it's a hardware fault, but someone else here might have a better suggestion | 09:45 |
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| blithe | flatface: You really spend more time on it than your laptop? | 10:25 |
| oil | I need to parse XML file to variables on shell script. do you have recommendations which tools to use? | 10:29 |
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| Khertan | Hi | 11:00 |
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| vlad_ | er, is the camera on the n810 usable by anything? | 11:22 |
| vlad_ | I guess video calls work | 11:23 |
| rip_ | what Video apps in the N8x0's can use the camera for chat ? | 11:25 |
| rip_ | only google talk ? | 11:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and Gizmo | 11:25 |
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| jeddy3 | anyone else experiencing power-on problems with n800? | 11:29 |
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| jeddy3 | removed battery for a moment yesterday, and upon powering on it was _completely_ dead ...no charging, not any life whatsoever | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe let it sit on the charger for a little while? | 11:32 |
| jeddy3 | had to remove battery for a couple of hours before it woke up and everything was normal again | 11:32 |
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| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, nope, no reaction...and battery was fully charged | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 11:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never experienced anything like that. | 11:33 |
| jeddy3 | it's working now...and i never intend to turn it of, but it was weird...and others seems to have same problem upon searching...no universal solution though :/ | 11:34 |
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| jeddy3 | atop of that: i forgot to put in my internal sd-card, so i had to turn it of AGAIN =P...and it was the same thing, left it overnight | 11:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You can hot-swap the cards. | 11:35 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, internal also? | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yup | 11:36 |
| jeddy3 | sweet! | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a good idea to make sure your apps are closed with the swap on it. | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | When swapping OUT | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But swapping IN presents no troubles. | 11:36 |
| jeddy3 | sure | 11:38 |
| jeddy3 | one _really_ weird thing also: when not powering on, after removing battery...i had to press the zoom in/maximize/zoom out buttons before powering on to make power button work... :D | 11:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You holding down the power button? | 11:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not an instant-on thing | 11:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to hold for upwards of a second. | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | jeddy3: Sounds like a a stuck button perhaps? | 11:41 |
| jeddy3 | yes, held it down for half a minute sometimes | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | jeddy3: you can only use one button at a time. So if one is stuck, the others won't work. | 11:42 |
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| jeddy3 | X-Fade, no stuck button as i could feel...it sounds really weird, but reproducable both times | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | Hmm just tested it. I can keep a zoom button pressed and use the power button. | 11:43 |
| jeddy3 | i tried _every_ possible combination, thats how i found out :P | 11:43 |
| jeddy3 | X-Fade, hmm | 11:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they hadn't broken soft power-off with OS2008. | 11:47 |
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| Khertan | Hum someone have see that rfcomm isn't anymore in the os2008 ? | 11:50 |
| Khertan | the module is here, but no more /usr/bin/rfcomm | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I have no use for that. I use my N800 in always on, always connected mode. | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You never put it in your pocket? | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Automatically switching to UMTS when out of Wifi reach.. | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure. Just lock the screen? | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's the point of soft power-off. | 11:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Locking is a PITA | 11:52 |
| lardman | morning | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | One button activation > two button activation | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | soft power-off doesn't kill the connection, either. :) | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. | 11:52 |
| lardman | hi GeneralAntilles | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I don't mind the 2 button lock removal. And it stays connected anyway.. | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, soft power-off is the same as locked keys. | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just a lot easier to use. | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Every nokia has menu -> star for locking. I'm used to that ;) | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to have a link handy to a really, really, big image? | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm testing the limits of the OS2008 image viewer. | 11:54 |
| * lardman wonders if the UK is the odd one out - N810 listed in French/German/Spanish Nokia online stores.... | 11:54 | |
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| X-Fade | lardman: I guess you need them to show up at direct.nokia.com for the codes to work? | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | lardman: And there the French etc are also not yet know.. | 11:55 |
| lardman | Yeah, though the other European stores don't work with codes yet either, but at least it shows up for them! ;) | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | As long as this one doesn't work, no fun. http://direct.nokia.com/Countries.aspx?model=n810 | 11:57 |
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| lardman | ah well, T-minus 9 days and counting.... | 11:58 |
| jeddy3 | 6 days for canola, 9 for os2008...interesting times :) | 11:58 |
| jeddy3 | lardman, or what was your ETA for? | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | jeddy3: N810 ;) | 12:00 |
| jeddy3 | X-Fade, ah, my bad :D | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | At developer rate. | 12:00 |
| jeddy3 | X-Fade, but os2008 for n800 seems to be in that time frame also | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | jeddy3: yep. | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | Although you can already use the beta image.. | 12:01 |
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| jeddy3 | X-Fade, yeah i know | 12:02 |
| lardman | jeddy3: yep, N810 | 12:02 |
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| elpaso | Hi | 12:02 |
| elpaso | I've just installed chinook sdk in sb but can't find xterm, do you know where i can find it? | 12:03 |
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| Khertan | re | 12:12 |
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| lardman | elpaso: why do you want xterm? | 12:14 |
| lardman | and what do you want, the source? | 12:14 |
| elpaso | Binary is enough, I want to launch programs from the xterm | 12:15 |
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| elpaso | into xephyr | 12:15 |
| lardman | oh I see | 12:15 |
| elpaso | perhaps I can do run-standalone? | 12:15 |
| lardman | do they need to be run in xterm? Couldn't you just run them in the term? | 12:16 |
| elpaso | from the sb shell? | 12:16 |
| lardman | yes | 12:16 |
| lardman | regarding xterm, I think you'll need to compile it for x86 | 12:16 |
| elpaso | is run-standalone exactly the same as running in osso-xterm? | 12:16 |
| lardman | I don't know, I never use the x86 target | 12:17 |
| lardman | anyone else? | 12:17 |
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| lardman | If we want a source package released, should we file a bug about it? | 12:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Might as well, lardman. | 12:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Though I highly doubt it'll get you anywhere. | 12:26 |
| lardman | There's no reason not to release the source I want | 12:26 |
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| lardman | I've no idea what to file it under though.... | 12:27 |
| lardman | ah, multimedia | 12:27 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Or find the owner of the debian package and mail him? | 12:28 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: there isn't a debian package | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I have been in contact with Terje Bergstrom and Juha Kallioinen. They seem to be in charge of the SDK repository/tools. | 12:32 |
| lardman | bug #2498 | 12:32 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I think the package itself will have to come from the DSP devs though | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, I guess so. | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vote it, lardman. | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | Probably a different team.. | 12:33 |
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| X-Fade | kaltsi: Do you know who is responsible for the dsp_dld code? | 12:41 |
| kaltsi | X-Fade: nope :-/ | 12:42 |
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| X-Fade | kaltsi: Or are you able to find that out internally? :) | 12:42 |
| kaltsi | maybe :) | 12:43 |
| lardman | if you could that would be much appreciated | 12:43 |
| kaltsi | but not today, Finland is closed for independence day | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | It would help a out a lot. As there is now no way to get the bug to the right person.. | 12:44 |
| kaltsi | I missed all previous discussion here.. what's the deal? | 12:44 |
| lardman | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-December/013173.html | 12:45 |
| lardman | and/or bug #2498 | 12:45 |
| kaltsi | bah now where's monkey when it could have filled its only purpose | 12:46 |
| lardman | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2498 | 12:46 |
| lardman | ~bug #2498 | 12:47 |
| kaltsi | :) | 12:47 |
| lardman | Oh well, infobot isn't interested | 12:47 |
| kaltsi | I'll ask around a bit on Friday or next week if no-one's there tomorrow eithere | 12:47 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Any news on the powervr tools? | 12:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: No, I did some "looking" at the module, got rather confused and decided to do some DSP stuff and come back to it with fresh eyes | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Hehe ;) So it is all dark magic at the moment.. | 12:54 |
| lardman | X-Fade: indeed :) | 12:54 |
| lardman | I need to see if I can get the Poky image to build (kept having niggling errors), then we might try running it | 12:54 |
| lardman | but the pvr.ko module seemed to insert ok, but then just sat there (do /dev or /proc entries), so I probably need to go through the code and work out where it's going wrong anyway | 12:55 |
| lardman | s/do/no | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, you need the tools to actually do something.. | 12:55 |
| lardman | yes, that's where the Poky image comes in, hopefully | 12:55 |
| lardman | though decoding the comms between the user-space stuff and the kernel module may be a large task | 12:56 |
| lardman | assuming the module can be made to work that is :) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | Yep, if you could only know for sure that it actually does something ;) | 12:57 |
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| kaltsi | lardman: what's on your dsp.h line 61 in the kernel source tree? I'm looking at timeless' MXR thingy and can't understand why it would report a syntax error there | 12:59 |
| kaltsi | I'm also fighting with my new iMac and can't paste from the browser to this xterm so I can't provide a link :) | 13:00 |
| kaltsi | this 'mighty mouse' is all but mighty | 13:00 |
| lardman | let me have a look, /me fires up exploree2fs as he's running WinXP atm | 13:00 |
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| lardman | here's the whole file http://maemo.pastebin.com/m660844f1 | 13:02 |
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| lardman | line 60 starts "struct omap_dsp_mailbox_cmd {" | 13:03 |
| kaltsi | hm ok it's different from what timeless is indexing there | 13:03 |
| lardman | this is the latest kernel source 2.6.21- | 13:04 |
| kaltsi | right.. timeless has there .16 | 13:04 |
| lardman | was .16 for the 770? | 13:04 |
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| kaltsi | I dunno.. | 13:05 |
| lardman | kaltsi: The problem is probably not to hard to fix, then I can search for the missing definition and add it, but I just thought it there's a package available it would be easier (as I'm trying to write a tremor sink not debug dsp tools) | 13:06 |
| kaltsi | that __u16 is supposed to be defined in linux/include/asm-arm/types.h try including that | 13:06 |
| lardman | kaltsi: I will when I boot back to Linux | 13:07 |
| kaltsi | lardman: yep sure | 13:07 |
| timelyx | ? | 13:07 |
| lardman | I'll take a look this evening and post to the list if I get it to work, but it would still be good to have the source package available with headers, etc. | 13:07 |
| kaltsi | hmm the kernel probably was updated at some point during this chinook stuff.. maybe it was .16 when the first image for N810 was released | 13:10 |
| lardman | OS2007 was .18 iirc | 13:10 |
| lardman | not to worry | 13:11 |
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| jeddy3 | ok, how do i poweroff the device if it doesn't want to do it normally | 13:13 |
| kaltsi | take out the battery | 13:14 |
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| jeddy3 | eventhough it's on? | 13:14 |
| czr | mornink | 13:15 |
| czr | kaltsi, was it you who asked for lxr for maemo? | 13:15 |
| kaltsi | why doesn't it want to power off normally, what do you mean? | 13:15 |
| kaltsi | czr: hi, yep that's me | 13:15 |
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| czr | kaltsi, thought so :-). you should hang around here more often. timeless setup an working lxr-king-of-thingy (mxr), but I guess you read about that already :-) | 13:16 |
| czr | an official one would of course be much nicer, but still. | 13:16 |
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| jeddy3 | kaltsi, somethings wrong with power...it does not show any battery status, and if i press powerbutton it gets white, then nokia hands picture, then goes back to somewhat broken grapical interface | 13:16 |
| kaltsi | czr: yes I know about that, I didn't want to advertize that there as I thought timeless would do it himself :) | 13:17 |
| czr | ah. sneaky :-) | 13:17 |
| timelyx | he tricked me! | 13:17 |
| kaltsi | :D | 13:17 |
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| * timelyx frowns | 13:17 | |
| * czr adds kaltsi to the list of nominees for "The Sneaky Awards 2008" | 13:17 | |
| timelyx | i have no idea why that package turned up | 13:17 |
| timelyx | do note that the kernel sources probably aren't a dependency for the image | 13:18 |
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| timelyx | whereas a kernel header would have been | 13:18 |
| kaltsi | jeddy3: do you have the power cord plugged in? if yes then try without it.. | 13:18 |
| * czr plays C flat | 13:18 | |
| czr | how's that for a note? | 13:18 |
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| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/l/linux-kernel-headers/ | 13:18 |
| * czr hides & runs | 13:18 | |
| timelyx | kaltsi: that's what the xref found | 13:18 |
| kaltsi | a brown note? | 13:18 |
| timelyx | it's "so not my fault" | 13:18 |
| czr | kaltsi, wasn't that disproved in mythbusters? :-) | 13:19 |
| kaltsi | timelyx: eek | 13:19 |
| timelyx | kaltsi: anyway, this is an artifact of the way the build system works | 13:19 |
| timelyx | the kernel is not part of the image/build | 13:19 |
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| timelyx | it's down w/ some secret magic i have not yet decrypted | 13:19 |
| timelyx | i'm new here, having only worked for more than a year and a half :) | 13:19 |
| kaltsi | I think those need to be updated then.. and they will | 13:19 |
| timelyx | s/down/done/ | 13:19 |
| jeddy3 | kaltsi, yes that did the trick with powering off :)...although now it won't turn on :P | 13:19 |
| * czr adds timelyx to the list of nominees for the "Newbie Awards" | 13:20 | |
| kaltsi | jeddy3: hehe :) maybe if you plug the power cord back in and let it charge for a while before trying again | 13:20 |
| timelyx | kaltsi: anyway, if you or someone else makes significant changes to chinook | 13:20 |
| timelyx | you'll have to tell me | 13:20 |
| timelyx | there's no way i'm going to *know* that chinook has significantly changed | 13:20 |
| kaltsi | you can listen to the rumors in the hallways! | 13:21 |
| timelyx | i'm in the wrong hallway! | 13:21 |
| jeddy3 | kaltsi, will do, thanks for pointers | 13:21 |
| timelyx | they're literally on the other side of the building :) | 13:21 |
| kaltsi | jeddy3: no problem :) | 13:21 |
| timelyx | pick a they (sdk, kernel, core, ...) | 13:21 |
| kaltsi | I'm a they! | 13:21 |
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| timelyx | visit me on tuesday :) | 13:22 |
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| timelyx | or some day after that when you've changed chinook :) | 13:22 |
| timelyx | my desk generally has chocolates | 13:22 |
| kaltsi | :D | 13:22 |
| timelyx | it also has a dated org chart w/ room numbers | 13:22 |
| czr | heh. the secret motivational force | 13:22 |
| timelyx | i'll probably see about updating it in january | 13:22 |
| kaltsi | mm.. this new 24 inch iMac looks quite big, now I'll have to buy a bigger apartment too | 13:23 |
| timelyx | lol | 13:23 |
| timelyx | anyway, i have to pack for rome | 13:23 |
| jeddy3 | kaltsi, :D | 13:23 |
| timelyx | kaltsi: in general figuring out where the xref found a package from in chinook/sardine should be trivial | 13:23 |
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| czr | kaltsi, wait till you get a 50" plasma | 13:24 |
| timelyx | just go to the logical part of pool and see if it's there :) | 13:24 |
| jeddy3 | bying things always spawns chains of buying other things it seems :P | 13:24 |
| czr | kaltsi, you'll have to move into a proper city then ;-) | 13:24 |
| czr | timeless, leaving today? | 13:24 |
| timelyx | yeah in a few hours | 13:24 |
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| czr | cool. have a great trip :-) | 13:24 |
| timelyx | probably leave my apt @2 | 13:24 |
| kaltsi | timelyx: yes.. I just wasn't sure what the 'official' kernel version was right now so I thought it might have been that at some point and that it will be updated at some other point | 13:24 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ | 13:25 |
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| czr | timelyx, see you in january then I guess | 13:25 |
| timelyx | shows the package | 13:25 |
| timelyx | czr: ok | 13:25 |
| czr | don't expect me to fix any bugs until then :-) | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | czr: We will just break some random stuff, so he has some material to file bugs about ;) | 13:26 |
| kaltsi | afk | 13:26 |
| timelyx | X-Fade: i think i have 2 chapters left that i haven't read | 13:26 |
| czr | X-Fade, "cool" :-) | 13:26 |
| timelyx | and iirc they're longer than the ones i have read | 13:26 |
| czr | I'll start posting bug reports in big-latin | 13:27 |
| czr | pig-latin even | 13:27 |
| timelyx | big-latin sounds better | 13:27 |
| czr | AVE | 13:27 |
| timelyx | BIG-LATIN | 13:27 |
| czr | HERE BE A BVG | 13:27 |
| timelyx | NO FOREIGN CHARACTERS ALLOWED | 13:27 |
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| czr | or maybe I should start writing bug reports in limericks | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | OMG FR3AK1NG P0N13SSS!!1! | 13:28 |
| czr | that's not a limerick :-) | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | Or lolcat perhaps? | 13:28 |
| czr | (too short, otherwise it could be) | 13:28 |
| czr | heh | 13:29 |
| czr | I'll just post screenshots demonstrating the bugs and showing some dubious content | 13:29 |
| czr | "Browser renders tubgirl incorrectly" | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | I Can Has Sourcecode? | 13:29 |
| czr | heh | 13:29 |
| * timelyx sends czr a picture of a fried kitty | 13:29 | |
| czr | aww | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | http://lolcat.com/pcdrivestealer.html | 13:30 |
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| timelyx | http://burntelectrons.org/img/deadcatisdead.jpg | 13:30 |
| czr | timelyx, ewww | 13:30 |
| czr | X-Fade, hah | 13:31 |
| timelyx | i'm a browser engineer, we worse stuff than most people can imagine :) | 13:31 |
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| timelyx | actually, that's from a mozilla lolcats group | 13:32 |
| czr | you have twisted sense of humour :-) | 13:32 |
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| czr | lalcats are supposed to be funny or smt :-) | 13:32 |
| czr | lolcats even | 13:32 |
| timelyx | it's not mine! | 13:32 |
| timelyx | although i must admit that i'm likely to fall into the curiosity killed the cat category | 13:33 |
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| czr | nokia should sponsor a pic like this: http://lolcat.com/pokemanzcats.html but with the N810 | 13:34 |
| czr | "I have maps" | 13:34 |
| czr | "im using your tablet, filing bugs" | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | ur, not your ;) | 13:35 |
| czr | yeah, I know, I'm pathetic :-) | 13:35 |
| * timelyx ponders | 13:36 | |
| timelyx | doesn't that mean that anyone building w/ chinook using headers would get the thing i listed? | 13:36 |
| timelyx | kaltsi: you should check w/ the internal xref to see if there's a different package there | 13:36 |
| timelyx | i'm not going to vpn w/ my cell phone to find out :) | 13:37 |
| czr | oh nice. 20 more alerts from network services | 13:38 |
| czr | -> goes looking | 13:38 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:22 |
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| FunkyPenguin | afternoon all | 14:30 |
| FunkyPenguin | anyone using navicore on the n800? | 14:30 |
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| rothiel | Hi guys :) | 14:33 |
| FunkyPenguin | has anyone managed to do a multi region route in navicaor? im driving from the uk to belgium tonight and cant see how to plan the route :( | 14:35 |
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| lardman | FunkyPenguin: I read somewhere that that's not possible | 14:40 |
| lardman | FunkyPenguin: you need to route to somewhere on the border, cross it, then route from there to wherever you're going | 14:40 |
| lardman | I think that was on a blog linked from maemo news | 14:43 |
| FunkyPenguin | bugger :( | 14:44 |
| FunkyPenguin | i've got the whole DVD and then some on my n800 | 14:44 |
| * FunkyPenguin hopes wayfinder on OS2008 is better then | 14:45 | |
| lardman | oh, I thought you meant that | 14:45 |
| lardman | sorry | 14:45 |
| lardman | on n800 with os2008 | 14:45 |
| FunkyPenguin | nope, im on OS2007 on n800 | 14:45 |
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| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12212&highlight=route | 14:49 |
| lardman | that was what I read | 14:49 |
| lardman | so that's probably exactly what you use (2nd post) | 14:49 |
| FunkyPenguin | lardman: thanks | 14:49 |
| lardman | np | 14:50 |
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| FunkyPenguin | looks like im in no real rush then to go to 2008 - this is a real dissapointment | 14:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Map" on OS2008 isn't any better. | 15:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hell yes there's a rush for OS2008. | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extra CPU? | 15:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Really, you're much better off sticking with maemo mapper. | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not shit. | 15:01 |
| halley | For n810 on maemo-mapper, what do I put for the settings to find the internal gps? | 15:02 |
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| halley | Ah, I see. | 15:04 |
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| Tak | "std::map - A standard container made up of (key,value) pairs, which can be retrieved based on a key, in logarithmic time." | 15:27 |
| Tak | where's my constant time?! | 15:27 |
| * Juhaz waves hand. this is not the language you're looking for | 15:28 | |
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| * Tak gets a glazed look in his eyes and wanders over toward python | 15:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:33 |
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| L0cutus | hum, on os2008 seems 'softpoweroff' doesn't work as on os2007... | 16:49 |
| L0cutus | display is still alive | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2400 | 16:50 |
| L0cutus | mmm comment #3 doesn't look very promising... | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll come when it comes. | 16:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles shrugs. | 16:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad locking is broken, too. | 16:54 |
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| johnnynokia | Trying to find the source for 'osso-connectivity-ui' and i can't find it via apt-get source xxxx in scratchbox. Are there additional urls that need to be put in sources.list does anyone know? I think this is maintained by nokia but i want to see what if anything is available in the source package | 16:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | afaik, if it's osso, it's Nokia. | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | no telling whether it's open or closed. | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a page that'll tell you which are which are open and which are closed. | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't remember the URL, though. | 17:00 |
| johnnynokia | okay, yeh think it's closed just wanted to see "source" so i can tell if can customize at all, before i start looking for replacement or writing one. I'll try to find that url thanks | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to browse. | 17:02 |
| johnnynokia | thanks | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's baffling what Nokia decides to open and close. | 17:04 |
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| johnnynokia | ha, I see. Yeh if osso-* is all largely closed, with little room for customizing bummer. To me a lot of their stuff is very close to what is needed, but not quite. Be nice to be able to extend, but ah well. | 17:06 |
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| timeless | anyone here have os2008 ++ n800 + bt gps | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 17:43 |
| timeless | if nyou n use gps, does an icon appear in the status area | 17:44 |
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| toresbe | if you install the official OS2k8 release for the N800, do you still have the Map then? | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, timeless. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | with maemo mapper and "Map" | 17:46 |
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| timeless | got the us user guide | 17:47 |
| timeless | please turn to page 9 and file a bug | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will do. | 17:47 |
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| timeless | it says the icon is only for n810 internal | 17:47 |
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| timeless | beta indeed | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't see any reason why they shouldn't have it work with an external. | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do you want it under? Desktop? | 17:50 |
| timeless | doc writers often get a | 17:50 |
| timeless | their is a doc product | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 17:50 |
| timeless | userguideghelp or something | 17:50 |
| timeless | but please grab a nokian on friday and make sure it+s imported | 17:51 |
| * timeless wonders what an application is as far as end users and doc writers are concerned | 17:52 | |
| timeless | anyone want to guess? | 17:52 |
| timeless | i am on page 10 of the us guide | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to get another copy. | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Deleted all of 'em last night. | 17:53 |
| timeless | heh | 17:54 |
| timeless | my flight is scheduled to depart in 2mmins | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't turn off, can you? :P | 17:54 |
| timeless | i will drop off when instructed to do so | 17:55 |
| timeless | i.e. nolw | 17:55 |
| timeless | bye | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | See yah. | 17:55 |
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| [pablo] | anyone have any experience doing mounting of external devices on the n810? | 18:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's probably covered somewhere on ITT. | 18:06 |
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| dragorn | [pablo]: as in, usb? | 18:07 |
| [pablo] | yeah | 18:07 |
| dragorn | get a micro-a-male cable to throw the device into host mode | 18:08 |
| [pablo] | GeneralAntilles: i searched under n810 and os2008 forums and found nothing =/ | 18:08 |
| [pablo] | dragorn: how do I put it in host mode? | 18:08 |
| dragorn | and generally things just show up. It'll whine it's not a supported device, but it'll work, at least if the device doesn't need more power than the tablet can provide | 18:08 |
| dragorn | by getting a micro-a-male cable | 18:08 |
| [pablo] | dragorn: i have it plugged in already | 18:09 |
| dragorn | host mode is controlled by the cable pin groundings, you need an A cable, it ships with a B cable. | 18:09 |
| [pablo] | oh, so the cable that came with the n810 will not work? | 18:09 |
| dragorn | not for host mode | 18:09 |
| [pablo] | interesting | 18:09 |
| dragorn | usb otg standard uses one of the pins to indicate host or peripheral. B is peripheral, A is host. | 18:10 |
| [pablo] | i just got a fem a -> fem a gender changer | 18:10 |
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| dragorn | You can, in theory, control it with files in /sys, but while that works on the 800 I couldn't get it working on the 810 | 18:10 |
| dragorn | [pablo]: yeah, a coupler won't do it, you need the B micro connector | 18:10 |
| dragorn | [pablo]: Also: micro, not mini. Be careful. Mini won't fit. | 18:11 |
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| [pablo] | dragorn: so I need to get a micro-usb male to usb b male? | 18:11 |
| dragorn | no | 18:11 |
| [pablo] | and inherently another way to hook it up to my n810 | 18:11 |
| [pablo] | err, my hdd i mean | 18:11 |
| dragorn | you need a micro-usb-A-male to whatever | 18:11 |
| dragorn | I haven't tried anything larger than a flash drive. it definitely won't power a hard drive from the tablet, though it may work w/ an externally powered one | 18:12 |
| [pablo] | okay, so the only problem is in the micro end that plugs into the n810 then | 18:12 |
| dragorn | yes. you need a special end. | 18:12 |
| [pablo] | dragorn: i have a y power cable for the HD | 18:12 |
| dragorn | [pablo]: amazon.com, item USB126002M | 18:13 |
| captlloyd | So, USB flash drives seem to work? | 18:13 |
| dragorn | captlloyd: mine do | 18:14 |
| wumpus | nice, so you could in principe hook an externally powered hdd to it :) | 18:14 |
| [pablo] | dragorn: awesome, thank you =) | 18:14 |
| [pablo] | wumpus: that's my hopes =) | 18:14 |
| [pablo] | this thing will make a great in car media center | 18:14 |
| [pablo] | dragorn: the micro end on that cable looks different than the cable that fits in my n810 | 18:15 |
| oil | [pablo]: you are also doing mediacenter for the car? | 18:16 |
| [pablo] | oil: trying to =) | 18:16 |
| captlloyd | I think it may not be the same thing | 18:16 |
| [pablo] | it looks like it's the same except the cable I came with has the two lower corners cut at an angle | 18:16 |
| oil | [pablo]: same here. automatic mediasync when coming home with rsync is one part of it. | 18:16 |
| [pablo] | the port looks fairly square though | 18:16 |
| captlloyd | Oh, maybe its the Micro B and not the Micro A | 18:16 |
| [pablo] | sounds right | 18:18 |
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| dragorn | [pablo]: that part # works, I've got 3 of them sitting on my desk :P | 18:18 |
| dragorn | [pablo]: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg | 18:18 |
| dragorn | i was going to test an externally powered hdd but my little laptop drive seems to have gone to meet its maker | 18:18 |
| [pablo] | =/ | 18:19 |
| [pablo] | i have a passport drive that i'll be using | 18:19 |
| [pablo] | i found a little 2 port car charger hub thing with a powered usb port to power the drive in my car | 18:19 |
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| captlloyd | Anyone used the Nokia FM transmitter? | 18:23 |
| Tak | what fm transmitter is this? | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why buy Nokia? | 18:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just get a cheap FM transmitter from, like, anywhere. | 18:23 |
| [pablo] | target has one for $20 that takes usb thumb drives and audio inputs, plugs right into your cigarette lighter | 18:24 |
| [pablo] | 1/8" audio inputs* | 18:24 |
| captlloyd | Cools | 18:25 |
| [pablo] | can't find it on thier website, but it was in the automotive section at my local super target | 18:27 |
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| lopz | re | 18:34 |
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| fysa | Cassette adapter. | 18:36 |
| captlloyd | :) | 18:37 |
| glass_ | fm transmitters are dirt cheap | 18:38 |
| glass_ | very handy to have | 18:38 |
| fysa | true, but cassette adapters sound better. | 18:38 |
| fysa | unfortunate as that is | 18:39 |
| glass_ | cars tend to have just cd | 18:39 |
| glass_ | new cars anyways | 18:39 |
| Tak | new cars tend to have direct audio input | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | not all of them :( | 18:39 |
| glass_ | not really | 18:39 |
| glass_ | well ok many new players have inputs at the back and shit | 18:40 |
| Tak | hence "tend" and not "are guaranteed" ;-) | 18:40 |
| fysa | 2005 Acura still includes a cassette deck, horrifyingly enough | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | but they let you buy options like an ipod connector that (a) only works with ipods and (b) costs silly amounts of money | 18:40 |
| captlloyd | Yeah, I have a car that's about 2 years old and it has only CD and no audio input | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | direct audio input wasn't even an option | 18:41 |
| Tak | fysa: my 02 VW did as well | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | I suppose a competent engineer could dismantle the front panel and hook something up | 18:41 |
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| fysa | you can get a deck with USB and line-in for < $100 | 18:42 |
| Tak | 07 VW has standard audio input, (with option of additional costly ipod-specific connector) | 18:42 |
| captlloyd | What's the name of an App that I can use to take still photos and/or short videos with my N810? | 18:42 |
| Tak | camera? | 18:42 |
| captlloyd | Don't find it for OS2007 | 18:44 |
| captlloyd | err | 18:44 |
| captlloyd | 2008 | 18:44 |
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| johnnynokia | Where's the proper place to report bugs on the nokia packages...so they can ignore them :-D | 18:49 |
| johnnynokia | to the maintainer of the package ? | 18:49 |
| johnnynokia | If they were open source i'd just fix the damn bugs myself but whatever | 18:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If your head unit has a CD change input, you can get adaptors for about $50-$80 | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, too bad most factory head units aren't of a standard size, fysa. | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | gps-camera, captlloyd. | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org, johnnynokia. | 18:51 |
| captlloyd | Yeah, my factory deck is odd and what covers it is kinda part of the rest of the dash | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just remember to SEARCH FIRST! | 18:51 |
| captlloyd | Well I searched for camera | 18:51 |
| johnnynokia | thanks General | 18:51 |
| captlloyd | Thanks | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not you captlloyd, Mr. Bug Reporter over here. ;) | 18:51 |
| captlloyd | lol | 18:51 |
| captlloyd | ok | 18:51 |
| johnnynokia | Ahh well I thought for nokia pacakages it was different | 18:52 |
| johnnynokia | i know about bugs.maemo.org i think i may still email maintainers, i have a feeling anything on bugs.maemo.org is going to get ignored eheh | 18:52 |
| johnnynokia | for nokia maintained stuff | 18:53 |
| dragorn | captlloyd: there are some interesting after-market sound mods for some models, my factory radio had an after-market which tied between the cd and the amp and used a blank cd to activate things | 18:53 |
| captlloyd | I bet mine has a CD changer input I could use | 18:54 |
| captlloyd | I'll look into both of those options, thanks | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnnynokia, maemo.org IS Nokia. | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | is it? | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | okay, it is | 18:55 |
| el-pollo-loco | GeneralAntilles, you need to put the tablet down and go get some sun | 18:55 |
| johnnynokia | Oh yeh, good, hopefully they won't blow it off thanks. | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | (in the sense that bugs will probably be looked at) | 18:55 |
| el-pollo-loco | You live in Florida and are as white as can be | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | but reporting bugs in closed-source packages on bugs.maemo.org feels wrong to me | 18:56 |
| johnnynokia | :-D | 18:56 |
| * Tak pale in florida as well | 18:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I can only imagine who that is. | 18:57 |
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| penguinbait | sorry, I didnt realize I was still a crazy chicken :) | 18:57 |
| captlloyd | hey, my camera works | 18:57 |
| captlloyd | :) | 18:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles color-corrects his ITT photo. :P | 18:57 | |
| penguinbait | hehe | 18:57 |
| johnnynokia | hehe | 18:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | clever. | 18:59 |
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| krbvroc1 | Hello - anyone here working with/on gmyth? | 19:01 |
| penguinbait | whats clever? | 19:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | penguinb8. ;) | 19:07 |
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| penguinbait | ah, its my alternate, for when I get booted off the IRC and when I come back I am still here? | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The inflection was a little weird on the end of that one. :P | 19:19 |
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| LocutusM | re | 19:27 |
| LocutusM | apt-get install doesn't work | 19:27 |
| L0cutus | it ask about a package isn't authenticated | 19:29 |
| L0cutus | but even if i type 'y' or 'Y', it doesn't install the package... | 19:30 |
| script | maemo-launcher: no child 20484 found in the kindergarten o_O | 19:31 |
| script | i love messages like that one ;-) | 19:31 |
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| Tak|InFullCompli | time to launch a missing persons investigation | 19:32 |
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| script | has anyone succeeded in running af-sb-init with a VNC-server instead of xephyr? | 19:37 |
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| Ziriuz | Hi all! | 19:46 |
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| Ziriuz | How can I install new modules in python on my itos 2006? | 19:48 |
| Ziriuz | I need Gnuplot.py module :) | 19:49 |
| bstock | so, anyone know where to find n810 online in the US? it used to be on amazon.com but not anymore | 19:49 |
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| johnnynokia | i bought it from a place in new york let me check them | 19:55 |
| bstock | alright cool | 19:56 |
| bstock | also, the port on the device, is it only a micrsd port? the nseries.com site doesn't really specify | 19:56 |
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| bstock | er, it looks like it's only minisd, if you want microsd you need an adapter | 19:58 |
| johnnynokia | Ahh alas they now show back order, i pre ordered it from them originally and got it a few weeks ago http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=22832 | 20:00 |
| johnnynokia | yeh it's mini sd or micro with adaptor | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | They'dve done better to put two micro SD slots in there. | 20:00 |
| * johnnynokia hugs 810 | 20:01 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | N810 is a waste of money. | 20:04 |
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| ||cw | only if you don't want gps | 20:05 |
| johnnynokia | Well if you don't give a damn about integrated keyboard maybe | 20:05 |
| ||cw | that too | 20:05 |
| johnnynokia | to me that's everything. | 20:06 |
| ||cw | got an ad today for n800 for $230 | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I get 30-60wpm on the thumbboard | 20:06 |
| * Tak|InFullCompli would gladly trade integrated keyboard for two fullsize SDHC slots | 20:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't need a crappy damn hardware keyboard. ;) | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS in the N810 is a joke anyway. | 20:06 |
| Tak|InFullCompli | that reminds me, does anybody want to test rubygame vkb? | 20:07 |
| melmoth | why a joke ? | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | BT GPS with the N800 isn't very serious either | 20:07 |
| ||cw | I think I'd use my 770 more if it had the keyboard | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | random losses of connection are not fun | 20:07 |
| johnnynokia | Yeh depends on needs. I need something i can whip out shell into a server on and fix things even if i'm mountain biking | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're kidding, right, mgedmin? | 20:07 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: using gpsd? | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | especially when maemo mapper never notices and thinks you're still in the same place you were 15 minutes ago | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | My BT GPS is 100%. | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: no :( | 20:07 |
| ||cw | bt gps is rock solid on my n770 | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | ||cw: I don't think so; I gave maemo mapper my bluetooth MAC address | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | I guess that means no gpsd? | 20:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | an i-blue fits just perfectly in the watch pocket on my jeans | 20:08 |
| derf | mgedmin: Maemo Mapper just crashes for me when the connection drops. | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | right | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You on 2.0, derf? | 20:08 |
| derf | Not ye. | 20:08 |
| ||cw | older mappers had that issue on the 770, gpsd support is supposed to fix that | 20:08 |
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| derf | t. | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | it's not that the connection drops -- the connection appears to be alive, except that no data is ever sent on it | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was a bug in dbus or somesuch that he had to work around. | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been fixed. | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | reconnecting helps, after a few attempts | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | ||cw: I'll have to try that -- doesn't n800 have gpsd builtin? | 20:08 |
| derf | I assumed it wasn't John's fault. | 20:09 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: should be installable | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | :( | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | Things Should Work Out Of The Box | 20:10 |
| derf | But anyway, the only reason my connection ever "drops" is because I forget and shut off the device while I still have mm open. | 20:10 |
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| mgedmin | derf: I know that bug too | 20:10 |
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| derf | Or the battery on it runs out, which is seldom a problem, since it lasts longer than the N800's. | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I do that all the time, derf. | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | I lost one of my tracks when the GPS battery died and maemo-mapper segfaulted | 20:10 |
| ||cw | mgedmin: such the way with 3rd party software | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's actually easier than clicking the close button on the app itself. :P | 20:10 |
| derf | Yeah, mm really needs to save the track progressively as it's collected. | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.0, derf. | 20:11 |
| derf | Awesome. | 20:11 |
| derf | He thinks of everything. | 20:11 |
| ||cw | hm, I haven't had a segfault in a long time, I have had mapper just quit though, but i didn't lose the track | 20:11 |
| celesteh | mm is my favorite n800 app | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most awesome app ever. | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, if I were stuck with just maemo mapper and FBReader I'd be a happy camper. | 20:11 |
| celesteh | it sold me the tablet | 20:11 |
| celesteh | and it just keeps getting better and better | 20:11 |
| derf | Well, sounds like I'll have to upgrade before my next bout of travelling starts up, which is now only a few weeks away. | 20:12 |
| derf | Then I'll be away more often than home until most of February is gone. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd recommend OS2008, too. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since the db caching kinda slows things down. | 20:12 |
| derf | Well, ideally somewhere in there my N810 will show up. | 20:13 |
| celesteh | the release version is like, next week, isn't it? | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 20:13 |
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| L0cutus | i have the bora sdk installed, now i want to install the chinook sdk, can they coexist ? | 20:17 |
| Tak|InFullCompli | yes. | 20:17 |
| L0cutus | thanks | 20:18 |
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| mgedmin | L0cutus: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ | 20:27 |
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| ywwg | I'm trying to build microb-engine from SVN, and it's not getting mozilla.tar.gz from anywhere. Where is that supposed to come from? | 20:38 |
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| foods | hi Dregz | 21:56 |
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| * foods ¿ping? Dregz | 21:59 | |
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| Astro | hi there | 22:18 |
| Astro | I'm desperately looking for the source to hildon-status-bar-display | 22:18 |
| Astro | any clue on how to find it? | 22:18 |
| Screaming | Any nokians about? Or are they all (indepedently) doing the indepen-dance? | 22:18 |
| Astro | I'm a bit unfamiliar with apt-get/apt-cache | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's closed, Astro. | 22:19 |
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| Astro | wtf | 22:21 |
| Astro | why that? | 22:21 |
| Astro | I mean, it's a simple sysfs-writing applet! | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ask Nokia. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no explaining what they open and what they don't. | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Retarded, yes | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it is what it is. | 22:21 |
| Astro | is there any list of closed packages? | 22:21 |
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| deejoe | or a version of vrms ;-) ? | 22:22 |
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| ds3 | is VFS on the Garnet emulator suppose to work so I can see files on the host (770 or N800)? | 22:23 |
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| Astro | kinda deja-vue, I came here for another package before ;( | 22:25 |
| Screaming | Guess that's "No" then. Pity. I was wanting to ask why, since IT2008 was supposed to bring the N8x0 more into line with the standard debian disto, the new version now breaks apps from the debian armel distribution. Ones that worked fine under IT2007. | 22:29 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 22:30 |
| GNUton | are codes working on Nokia Online Shops? | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so just yet, GNUton. | 22:31 |
| GNUton | have you tryed? | 22:32 |
| GNUton | tried | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I didn't apply for one. | 22:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But I would notice if people here started using them. | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could try, though, I guess. | 22:32 |
| Astro | is there a way to build webkit-eal already? | 22:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/08/07/webkit-and-the-n800 | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure if it'll run under OS2008. | 22:36 |
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| Dregz | Someone please tell me why you would name something Ma emo? | 22:40 |
| Dregz | Where's ma emo? | 22:40 |
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| deejoe | it's in the pocket on your bowling shirt | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 22:41 |
| matt_c | GeneralAntilles: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/11/09/webkit-eal-goes-public | 22:41 |
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| ds3 | nix that last Q, according to ITT, that's a currently nonimplemented feature | 22:49 |
| _|Nix|_ | Done :o) | 22:52 |
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| robster | anyone want to test Tasks for Chinook? | 23:00 |
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| robster | johnnynokia: right, is that you volunteering then? | 23:02 |
| johnnynokia | lol | 23:03 |
| robster | if this works I can do dates. | 23:03 |
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| johnnynokia | robster: I might be interested if I have time | 23:04 |
| johnnynokia | what kind of testing, Tasks is your app? | 23:04 |
| robster | johnnynokia: maemo.o-hand.com but where it says bora change to chinook | 23:04 |
| robster | johnnynokia: www.pimlico-project.org | 23:05 |
| blithe | Anyone order an N800 from buy.com recently and have it ship successfully? | 23:05 |
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| johnnynokia | robster: cool i can install on the way home in few hours and happy to test it out. I'll look for you here later or tomorrow, i'm usually lurking | 23:13 |
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| Astro | is the chinook-firmware for n800 still suffering from the input-doubled bug in osso-xterm? I'm having the n810 image on my n800 and am very annoyed by it. | 23:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Astro. | 23:21 |
| Astro | damn | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll probably be fixed by the final in a week or so. | 23:21 |
| Astro | I can do a simple apt-get upgrade then? | 23:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not likely, Astro. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | afaik, apt-get upgrade is slightly likely to brick your install. | 23:24 |
| Astro | o_o | 23:25 |
| Astro | should I use dist-upgrade or the application manager gui? | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could be wrong. | 23:25 |
| Astro | or will I have to reflash? | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reflesh, most likely. | 23:25 |
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| Astro | ok, I'll remember to make a backup :/ | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Reflesh/Reflash | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be much less painful than pre-OS2008 backups. | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It remembers your installed apps. | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The package-only updates are targeted for Diablo. | 23:26 |
| Astro | what maemo version is diablo, elephanta? | 23:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS2009 and OS2010 respectively (5.0/6.0) | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | We may see it before Diablo | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm not Nokia, so I couldn't say. :D | 23:28 |
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| K`zan | My bt gps just arrived :-)!!! Charging while I RTFM (really!). | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a bluetooth GPS | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn it on, use it. ;) | 23:43 |
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| K`zan | As soon as I finish the manual, no idea how to connect it to the n800 at this point. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just connect it. :P | 23:51 |
| K`zan | Heh, somehow with bluetooth, which I turned off after the bt heaset wouldn't work. | 23:51 |
| K`zan | headset | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just go to Control Panel and hit the GPS item. | 23:52 |
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| K`zan | Heh, actually turned it off last night for the first time since I got it :). | 23:53 |
| K`zan | Gonna have to compile my own kernel, tired of the green begs... | 23:54 |
| Astro | I just did my 1st working kernel yesterday | 23:54 |
| Astro | be sure to exclude PREEMPT and keep the null cpufreq governor | 23:55 |
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| Astro | unfortunately I've found nothing about framebuffer console on teh intarweb :-( | 23:55 |
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| K`zan | Astro: At this point I am clueless about doing this for the n800. Def preempt, why that is NOT the default evades me. | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | "green begs"? | 23:57 |
| K`zan | GeneralAntilles: That was easy enough, the longer I have this thing the more I love it. | 23:58 |
| K`zan | "something along the lines of: Your battery is charged, unplug the charger to save energy. Really, this crap is geting past absurd... | 23:58 |
| Astro | K`zan: I guess modules compiled w/o PREEMPT don't work on PREEMPT kernels | 23:59 |
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| Astro | K`zan: mine just rebootet upon connecting wifi | 23:59 |
| K`zan | As soon as I unplug the charger it needs to be charged :) | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285 | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That pisses me off to no end | 23:59 |
| K`zan | Astro: SO much to learn here.... | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me know if you manage a fix, I'll take that in a heartbeat. ;) | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody vote on that bug! | 23:59 |
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