IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-11-24

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maddlerevening all...00:32
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K`zanI removed rapsody using application manager, but it is still on the menu, how do I get rid of it from there?00:34
K`zanAlso, fmradio doesn't have a menu entry, is there some way to make one for it?00:34
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K`zanFigured out fmradio :).00:48
K`zanNow to get rid of rapsody...00:48
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K`zanSquashed the little bugger...00:56
K`zanLess sure would be nice to have...00:56
* GNUton wants a n810! :/00:57
kaltsiless is in the sdk repository00:57
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K`zankaltsi: Tried apt-get install less and it didn't work :-(.00:57
kaltsiwhat did it say?00:58
K`zanhold, lemme move the term over here.00:58
K`zanNokia-N800-39:/# apt-get install less00:58
K`zanReading package lists... Done00:58
K`zanBuilding dependency tree... Done00:58
K`zanelb: Couldn't find package less00:58
kaltsido you have the sdk repository?00:59 bora free non-free00:59
K`zanProbably missing the right repository, lets see if I can figure that one out :).00:59
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kaltsi(for os2007)00:59
K`zanThank you Sir, just what I need!00:59
kaltsifor os2008 otherwise the same but chinook instead of bora00:59
K`zanstill on 2007 here...00:59
K`zanGoing to wipe the deb vm install and start all over to get the 2008 sdk installed.01:00
K`zanTHis time I won't start it after Thanksgiving dinner :)01:00
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K`zanEven got it entered in application manager correctly, I think, trying again.01:03
kaltsiyou might want to install it from command line (xterm) with apt-get01:04
K`zankaltsi: Yes, couldn't find it in the application manager, installed from cli with no problem.  MUCH appreciated!01:05
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kaltsino prob :)01:05
K`zanAfter being stuck with more for the first time in AGES, less is indeed more :-).01:06
kaltsithe app manager needs to be in 'red pill' mode to see it there, but I can't recommend that unless you want to see tons of sdk related packages there too01:06
K`zankaltsi: Understand, I had red pill set, but changed back because of the quantity shown :).01:06
K`zanNeed a button to set and reset it :).  LOL.01:07
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GNUtonzZzZz :P02:06
GNUtonwake up guys!!!!02:06
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GNUtontsavola: :)02:10
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* pupnik rubs his hands hunched over. New developerzzes. Yess eexcellent.03:14
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pupnikWhat's happening to the dollar?  Here's the answer.
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captlloydyay, I gots my N81004:19
pupnikscreen noticeably better?04:20
captlloydThere's no | on the keyboard04:20
captlloydI've never used an N80004:20
captlloydSo I can't say04:20
captlloydI need to remap these symbols to things like ` and |04:20
pupnikyeah there should be multiple maps - one for the shell for e..g04:21
pupnikis the shell still busybox?04:21
captlloydYeah, i think it was04:21
captlloydI can look in a minute04:21
captlloydI'm looking for the download link for the OS2008 update they have out. I can't seem to find it04:21
captlloydAlso appears to be down04:21
Thana64where exactly i need to request the n810 ? i don't found it on my profile section04:22
pupnikThana64: not sure :/04:22
Thana64In order to apply go to your maemo profile (same login as the so-called Garage account) and make your request there. Please read carefully the instructions, terms and conditions.04:23
Thana64i don't found anything04:23
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Thana64seems finished :/04:30
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pupnikhmm04:35 not responding for me04:35
Thana64seems down since some minutes, yes04:42
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captlloydI wonder if they run that site on one of the tablets :)04:54
pupnikmy site could be hosted on a tablet.  all static and under 500MB04:56
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dasurfrdudeHello, does anyone have a second to give me a little run down on the osso-xterm?05:56
dasurfrdudeim not totally new at it, i just need a question or two answered05:56
dasurfrdudewow is everyone AFK?05:58
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penguinbaitwhat questions?06:03
dasurfrdudewell, i came across this game called the mana world or something of that fancy ona forum06:06
dasurfrdudeandi thought i would try it out, but oyu have to install it via xterm06:07
_Monkeyinternettablettalk is too dark06:07
dasurfrdudewell i couldnt get superuser or root to work06:07
dasurfrdudeso i used ssh06:07
dasurfrdudeand logged in as root@localhost blah blah blah06:07
penguinbaitso you were able to login as root over ssh06:07
penguinbaitim with you so far06:08
dasurfrdudei had all the deb's and lib's on mmc2 and ran them via dpkg -i package.deb06:08
dasurfrdudeit did some business06:08
dasurfrdudeand thats as far as i got06:08
penguinbaitso did it install or give error?06:08
dasurfrdudehow do i run it?06:08
dasurfrdudei got no error06:09
dasurfrdudeso i assume good install06:09
penguinbaitI am not familiar with it06:09
penguinbaittry type m and hit tab, this will tell you all the progs that start with m06:09
dasurfrdudehold on06:10
dasurfrdudelemme grab my nokia06:10
pupnikdasurfrdude: if you need any help lemme know06:10
penguinbaitI am not sure how to start it, you need to type the prog name06:10
penguinbaitpupnik jump in, I am not familiar with manaworld06:10
pupnikwell i can start it but it can't connect on a 770 for some strange reason06:11
penguinbaitjust trying to help out06:11
pupniki think you start with 'tmw'06:11
dasurfrdudeok im back06:12
dasurfrdudei have a n80006:12
dasurfrdudewith red pill enabled atm06:12
penguinbaitpupnik says run twm06:12
dasurfrdudehere, im going to start from scratch06:13
penguinbaitsorry tmw06:13
dasurfrdudewell how do i do that?06:13
penguinbaittype in xterm and hit enter06:13
dasurfrdudewell how do i do that?06:13
penguinbaitwhere is da surfer dude from?06:14
dasurfrdudehouston area06:14
penguinbaitwhat size waves down there?06:14
penguinbaitjust nosey :)06:14
penguinbaitI am up in michigan06:15
dasurfrdudevery very small06:15
dasurfrdudei dont surf anymor06:15
dasurfrdudei wakeboard06:15
penguinbaitneed to head to honolulu06:15
dasurfrdudehaha yeah right06:15
dasurfrdudei will die06:15
dasurfrdudeok im in xterm06:16
penguinbaitI went there years ago, 14ft wave 10ft offshore06:16
dasurfrdudewhat would be something nice to type so xterm will run tmw?06:16
dasurfrdudetmw now found :-/06:17
dasurfrdudeim going to re-install06:17
penguinbaitmaybethe name was wrong06:17
pupniki have to check the package06:17
dasurfrdudewould be a problem on my end or your end?06:17
pupniki don't remumbur where tmw installs stuff06:18
penguinbaitdo you have it installed pupnik?06:18
dasurfrdudei spend a good hour using 'ls' and 'cd'06:18
pupnikyeah it should be in /usr/bin/tmw06:18
pupnikchecking pkg now06:18
dasurfrdudeargh is bad06:19
pupnikare you in xterm?06:19
pupnikas root?06:20
dasurfrdudebut i just uninstalled tmw and data via ap manager06:20
dasurfrdudenot yet06:20
dasurfrdudei can ssh real quick06:20
pupnikok uhm well i need to repackage this but i can get you running in a jiffy06:21
pupnikreinstall the debs06:21
pupnikthen grab the config06:21
dasurfrdudehold on06:21
pupnikmkdir /home/user/.tmw06:21
pupnikdownload the config file and mv config.xml /home/user/.tmw06:21
pupnikthen mv /usr/games/tmw /usr/bin/tmw06:22
penguinbaitMan and people complain about installing KDE :)06:23
penguinbaitwhere is pupnik located on the planet?06:24
dasurfrdudewait, i can put kde on my n800?!06:24
pupnikgermany.  this is all just a plot to teach tablet users basic linux commands, penguinbait06:24
dasurfrdudewell nevermind that06:24
dasurfrdudeok i have all debs and libs on mmc2/Tmw/06:24
penguinbaitget manaworld working first06:25
dasurfrdudedpkg -i them?06:25
dasurfrdudeok im in root06:25
_Monkeyinstalling is pretty fast that way..06:25
pupnik_Monkey: forget installing06:26
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot installing06:26
pupnik_Monkey: installing is <reply>06:26
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.06:26
penguinbaitright turn Clyde!06:26
pupnikhope you've got enough space for it dasurfrdude06:26
pupnikeventually the game data should go to mmc, imo06:27
pupnikand lets hope nokia puts a /usr/local/share on internal mmc someday, or maybe gives us a bigger flash root filesystem06:27
penguinbaitn810 has 2GB06:28
dasurfrduden810 sucks dick for 550 dollars06:28
penguinbaitand there is a usr/local now, theres just nothing in it06:28
dasurfrdudesorry, i just got my n80006:28
dasurfrdudei was mad to hear another came out06:28
pupnikthe n800 is a really good deal though06:28
penguinbaitI bought my n800 in January, and my 770 a year before that06:28
dasurfrdudeok so everything is unpacked and installed06:29
pupnikmv /usr/games/tmw /usr/bin/tmw06:29
penguinbaityeady for n810, wish it had bigger cpu and memory, but the builtin keyboard lends itself to kde nicely06:29
dasurfrdudeno such dir06:30
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pupnikheh wtf06:30
gnuiteHas anyone used the new GPS APIs in OS2007? (libgpsbt, libgpsmgr, etc.)06:30
dasurfrdudei had to cd /06:30
dasurfrdudenow what?06:30
penguinbaitGNUITE RULES!!! :)06:30
penguinbaitand um, uh no06:31
gnuiteAhh, thanks, penguinbait. :)06:31
pupniknow tmw should start up, but eventually you'll want to put the config.xml into /home/user/.tmw, and edit that06:31
gnuiteAny idea when we're getting those free N810s? :)06:31
gnuiteI guess not until December....06:31
penguinbaitI am still waiting to hear my coupon can be used :I06:31
dasurfrdudewhat would be the significance of putting the config.xml in there?06:32
gnuiteJussi told me we can get the freebie _and_ use the coupon.06:32
pupniki think the game creates a config.xml for you - mine just has some examples for tweaks - fullscreen and stuff06:32
dasurfrdudeok, and i can use mv?06:32
penguinbaithow is the freebie obtained, I assumed the coupon was full discount06:32
penguinbaitthat would be nice06:33
gnuiteDid you give Jussi your mailing address?06:33
penguinbaitI dont know who Jussi is?06:33
pupnikdasurfrdude: i don't understand.  iirc tmw will now start up in non-fullscreen mode, and you can then enter a user/pass with bluetooth keyboard, synergy, or with xkbd06:33
dasurfrdudehow do i move the config file in xterm, with mv?06:34
gnuiteHas someone contacted you about your free N810?06:34
penguinbaitI got a coupon only06:34
gnuiteOkay, well, I'm sure it will happen eventually. :)06:35
penguinbaitNow I am worried :)06:35
pupnikyeah mv config.xml /home/user/.tmw06:35
penguinbaitmaybe I will send Quim a note06:35
pupnikhow does one apply for the coupon?  ($75?)06:35
dasurfrdudethank yo uvery uch pupnik06:35
gnuiteMaybe that's a good idea.  I doubt it's an issue, though, with the delay and everything...06:36
penguinbaitIs mapper ready on n810?06:36
gnuiteI don't have an N810 yet, so I have no idea.06:36
gnuiteThere is a patched version on ITT, but I haven't been able to try it.06:36
[pablo]penguinbait: there is a version that works, but I can't figure out how to get it to recognize the builtin gps06:37
penguinbaitAlso Gnuite, I wanted to ask, any thoughts to a laptop version or maemo-mapper06:37
penguinbaitMaemo-Mapper is better than any other linux projust out there06:37
gnuiteFocusing on 770/N800/N810 now.  When I have free time (baaa hhahahaha), I'll make an arbitrary-sizeable desktop version.06:38
penguinbaitIt really would be welcome, theres nothing close to it06:38
gnuiteMost of the 800x480 specifics are gone - just need to replace all the hildon_* stuff, which should be easier in Chinook, if I recall.06:38
gnuiteGPSDrive is kinda close to it - just need a way to get the maps...06:39
penguinbaitOutstanding application, best ever made for maemo, in my opinion06:39
gnuite[pablo]: Funny you should mention that, because I'm trying to fix that at the moment, but libgpsbt is not cooperating...06:39
[pablo]i messed around with maemo mapper for a bit and like it MUCH better than the builtin map program on the n81006:40
gnuite[pablo]: Really?  Damn, I was hoping to retire when everyone buys an N810. :)06:40
penguinbaitI used maemo-mapper cross country, alongside a laptop running microsoft mappoint with a garmin, and maemomapper was much more usefull06:41
[pablo]maemo mapper is much more responsive than the built-in maps program too06:41
penguinbaitwhat do yoo do in real life gnuite?06:41
gnuiteAll: Don't listen to penguinbait, Maemo Mapper isn't half as awesome as he implies.  I think he's my biggest fan; he'd sacrifice his children for Maemo Mapper, if he could. ;)06:42
gnuiteI'm a professional software engineer.06:43
penguinbaitfreelance, or for a large corporate entity?06:43
gnuiteMedium-sized defense contracting company.06:44
penguinbaitSorry, I mentioned earlierI was nosey, feel free to tell be to bugger off06:44
gnuiteNosey, yes, but you haven't crossed the line quite yet.... :)06:45
penguinbaitI am picturing you writing software to fly those little airplane drones aroung the planet06:45
pupniklets get color weather radar into mapper :P06:46
penguinbaitooh ooh ooh06:47
gnuiteGot a repository we can use? :)06:47
pupniksomeone made a webpage for nokias / 800x480 with weather feeds by region06:48
pupnikforgot the url tho06:48
captlloydI'm trying to install UKMP, and I need libgdbm3, and another library, I've been googling, and I can't find the repo or package I need to install first...06:48
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
doc|homeI'd like to be able to download/sync the maps for a region :/06:48
_Monkeysomebody said gps was nice, though06:48
doc|homefinding wireless isn't always easy when you're wandering about06:48
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gnuiteDoes anyone know if libgpsbt is supposed to work at all with OS2007?06:53
gnuiteBecause if it is, I'm at a loss as to how.  I somehow had it working 25-50% before, but now gpsbt_start is returning "Invalid argument" all the time, even with gps_saver....06:54
[pablo]man, I don't know how I missed the first two generations of these tablets06:57
[pablo]i absolutely love this thing06:57
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captlloydAnyone use NFS on their tablet?07:13
captlloydI try to mount but my server is telling me  "illegal port 49169", I've not encountered this when using NFS from my other computers07:13
pupnik_did you have to flash with a new kernel?07:14
pupnik_or is nfs built-in to the n810?07:14
captlloydI flashed the newest image earlier tonight, don't know if it came with that07:14
captlloydIt seems to be in there, but doesn't want to work :)07:16
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[pablo]captlloyd: there is an option to allow use of higher end ports, can't remember exactly what it is07:17
[pablo]gimme a sec07:17
pupnik_nfsd takes a -p param, for port num, but i thought that was negotiated07:18
[pablo]captlloyd: in your exports file, on the share you are trying to use add the option 'insecure' without quotes07:18
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[pablo]and let me know if that works because nfs mount on an 810 would be sweeeet07:19
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[pablo]doc|home: nice, thank you =)07:22
doc|homenp :)07:22
captlloydI think that worked, 1 sec07:24
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captlloydwhen I did insecure my server liked that.  But now I am getting "bindresvport: Permission denied"07:27
captlloydI think I need to be root?07:27
captlloyddunno how to do that07:28
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pupnik_to run nfs server you must be root07:28
captlloydI just want to be a client07:28
pupnik_oh on the tablet07:29
captlloydthat's what I get on the tablet07:29
captlloydserver says that it authenticated my mount request now, but I get that error on the tablet07:29
captlloydIs there a way to get root on os2008?07:30
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pupnik_yeah standard becomeroot procedure07:30
pupnik_ssh to the device for e.g.07:30
pupnik_then you can set up a suid script to do the mount07:30
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captlloydI can't figure out how to ssh in07:45
[pablo]can I not use the openSSH server in os2008 to setup root access? Must I use dropbear?07:45
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_Monkeysomebody said ssh was a 'secure shell' client/server.  It lets you get access to the linux shell on a Tablet. See
[pablo]yeah, openssh is just a seperate implementation of the ssh client/server07:56
[pablo]standard on *nix machines07:56
[pablo]dropbear appears to be the same but compiled for embeded use07:56
[pablo]ie really small07:56
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pupnik_yes dropbear is smaller - it can't handle some features (blowfish compression iirc)09:12
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K`zanNight all!09:16
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[pablo]pupnik_: but I can use either one to get root access correct? there is nothing special about dropbear right?09:34
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[pablo]the wiki says to install dropbear and uninstall openssh if it has been installed09:34
pupnik_grglh.  that seems strange, no?09:34
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[pablo]it does09:34
[pablo]why i asked =)09:34
pupnik_so ssh root@the.tablet.ip.addr no workee?09:35
pupnik_anyway one thing to remember is on os2006 and 2007 at least, 'su' doesn't work, instead use 'sudo gainroot'09:36
_Monkeybecomeroot is a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
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pupnik_ssh root@the.tablet.ip.addr doesn't work [pablo]_ ?09:37
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[pablo]pupnik_: i tried sshing to root@localhost from the tablet, it connected okay but the rootme password didn't work10:06
[pablo]did it change with os2008?10:06
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pupnik_don't rmemenbr10:08
[pablo]i haven't found anything about it10:08
[pablo]i did just flash to the new version today though, might have changed there10:08
swetlandanyone know if the pads next to the battery on N800 have an exposed 3.3v serial port like the N770?10:09
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pupnik_hi unique31110:32
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pupnik_  this seems to allow some free calls per week to USA - what sip client would i use on n770 for it?10:46
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trulsanyone else having a problem with svn-buildpackage being broken inside scratchbox?10:59
trulsCan't load '/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/SVN/_Core/' for module SVN::_Core: /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ undefined symbol: RAND_status at /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/ line 230.10:59
truls at /scratchbox/devkis/maemo3-tools/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-mullti/SVN/ line 5910:59
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pupnik_what is that for?  how is svn_buildpackage different from ./configure && make, or dpkg-buildpackage?11:06
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unique311whats up pupnik.11:20
unique311would give voipbuster a try..but my doesn't have a working OS on it.11:21
unique311think it still has poky on it. waiting for  2008 before i relash11:21
pupnik_well gizmo seems to be a pain - i wouldn't call people enough with it11:23
pupnik_so i'll probably activate sip through my telco11:23
pupnik_and that voipbuster needs a windows program to verify a registration - doesn't seem to work on my box (wine)11:23
unique311i setup an account a while back with freecalls and another free(something)11:25
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unique311to my amazement it was still working last time i checked on my IT11:25
unique311but only use it when i had to.11:25
pupnik_mmh ..  bbl11:29
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unique311os2008 i late11:50
unique311for the n81011:50
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unique311is this the brick your n800 update?11:52
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[pablo]haven't tried it on an 80011:53
unique311tempted...but i think i needs to wait11:53
unique311don't ever want to be first.11:53
unique311but nokia is not like apple....don't think we have to worry about nokia bricking devices becuase user are impatient.11:54
unique311RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin NEW11:56
unique311RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  OLD11:56
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[pablo]yeah, i haven't noticed anythign user impacting11:57
[pablo]gps still blows heh11:57
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unique311you installed yet?11:59
unique311[pablo], ??12:00
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[pablo]yeah, on an n810 though12:00
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pupnik_anybody happen to be on gizmo atm?12:03
pupnik_to do a quick test?12:03
[pablo]i can be12:04
pupnik_curious about the feedback supression and quality without headphones12:04
pupnik_my nick is pupnik - feel free to ring up12:04
pupnik_'all calls free status says 'inactive here12:06
pupnik_that worked well12:08
[pablo]better than I had expected12:09
[pablo]my internet connection here at work is nuts though, so that might have had something to do with it12:09
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[pablo]i get like 15 down on a speedtest from the wired network, haven't tried it on the wireless yet12:09
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[pablo]woah, i didn't know the firefox browser in os2008 was firefox 312:18
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[pablo]that's slick =)12:18
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pupnik_hows the dpad working for you [pablo] ?12:29
[pablo]i have to use the very tip of my thumb/finger to press a direction, which i'm not used to, but it works great when I remember to do that12:31
[pablo]otherwise I fat finger it =/12:31
pupnik_what i feared12:31
[pablo]yeah, luckily, i rarely use it12:32
pupnik_going to be pretty useless for games12:32
[pablo]i have not been in a position where I had to either12:32
pupnik_maybe i'll add keys asdwx as alternate dpad12:32
[pablo]yeah as far as gaming goes it's pretty useless as a dpad12:32
[pablo]needs a clip on jostick heh12:33
[pablo]clips right on top of the dpad and presses the buttons for you12:33
pupnik_there are super cheap bluetooth joypads for pdas.  If someone could manufacture one that could clip onto the tablets, that might be interesting12:34
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[pablo]it could work just like the car mount that comes with it12:34
[pablo]with controls on either side12:35
pupnik_hmm.  if it's true that about 300,000 n800s were sold, you might be able to sell 5-10,000 units12:35
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GNUton[pablo]: :)12:35
[pablo]or g'mo'nin' ... because it's never to early for an overabundance of apostraphes12:36
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guerbyhi, anyone with a N810 around?12:52
guerbyif so does the FR PDF manual (that should be somewhere on OS2008) show a picture/drawing of the FR keyboard?12:53
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czrguerby, let me check12:53
guerbyczr, thx!12:53
guerbyif it's there that would be great to post the image somewhere for other kbd than EN :)12:56
czrno image12:57
czrnot a lot of images anyway12:57
czrbut no image of keyboard either, or layout for that matter12:57
guerbyczr, thanks again for checking12:57
guerbyI couldn't find any image on the web / mailing list / forum12:58
guerbymay be none has been produced yet :)12:58
czrmaybe it's Valuable Intellectual Property(tm)12:58
guerbyczr, probably not copyrightable :)12:58
czrianal, but I'd guess they can copyright everything :-)12:59
guerbyczr yeah... I'm thinking about buying it in the US even if I pay VAT it's still only 320 euros13:00
guerbythanks to USD/EUR13:00
czryeah. I'm kind of thinking getting a macmini from US when I go there13:01
czrit's still not dirt cheap but apple still insists on using 1 USD = 1 EUR in pricing.13:02
[pablo]czr: i can take a screenshot of the french keyboard I think13:06
[pablo]one second13:06
czr[pablo], it was guerby that was interested, I'm sure he'll appreciate it13:06
guerby[pablo], yes I'm interested!13:07
ryoohkianyone working on linux for the e90?  or even somehting like cygwoin?13:11
guerby[pablo], I was thinking of the hardware kbd :)13:11
guerby[pablo], thx anyway :)13:11
ryoohkianyone working on linux for e90 or somrthing like cygwin13:11
[pablo]i don't think they have a french version out yet13:12
czrryoohki, no13:12
guerby[pablo], yep it's not for sale for sure13:12
[pablo]i would imagine it would be physically the same, key for key, with the layout in the screensho13:13
[pablo]minus the numpad of course13:14
guerby[pablo], yes there are not that many possibilities :)13:14
guerbyI checked and cheapest EU/USA roundtrip flight I could find are about 350 EUR13:15
[pablo]actually, there are more keys on the soft keyboard than the hardware one13:15
ryoohki yeah, but can it do flashblock?13:15
guerbyif you dump the box and take them with you, two N810 pay the flight ... about ridiculous13:15
czr350 EUR is so unfair. takes minimum of 750 EUR from here13:16
* czr cries13:16
[pablo]the soft keyboard has 11, 12, and 11 in each row from top to bottom, hardware keyboard only has 10 in each13:16
guerbyczr, I looked from Frankfurt to NY13:16
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ryoohki yeah, but can it do flashblock?13:16
czrguerby, I looked from Helsinki to Atlanta :-)13:16
czralthough NY could be cheaper in some cases13:16
guerbyczr, well :)13:16
czrbut it's the .fi bonus13:16
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czreverything costs more here. and it's further away (geopolitically speaking)13:17
guerbyczr, so you have a nice GDP :)13:18
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czrguerby, /me shrugs. somehow it doesn't translate to purchasing power :-)13:19
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guerbyczr, yeah random PPP factors :)13:19
czryeah, broken LCP setup13:19
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pupnikthis is a good time to quit smoking.  since i'm going crazy anyway..13:20
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guerbyczr, interestingly flights prices do respect FX perfectly13:31
czrguerby, FX?13:31
czrah yes13:31
guerbyczr, sorry currency exchange rate13:32
czryeah, I got it :-)13:32
czrthought about "Flaming Xenophobe" for a while, and decided it didn't compute.13:33
czralthough the F could also mean "Furry"13:33
* czr hmms13:33
[pablo]don't furry and flaming go hand in hand?13:34
guerbyForeign eXchange13:34
czr[pablo], no? esp if fur catches fire easily :-)13:34
[pablo]exactly =)13:34
czrheh. right :-)13:35
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czrhmm. slow today?13:49
czralso, seems that my bugzilla info is not linked to my maemo profile somehow (weird). this leads to karma from bugs being 0. any ideas?13:49
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czrhmm. who is the maintainer for maemo bugs?14:10
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alteregoPeople seem to be getting very frustrated about the delay with the N81014:19
alteregoI can understand it if they're paying full price.14:20
alteregoBut for those fortunate 500, if nokia paid us as much as we're saving to wait? Do you think people would still complain ^_^14:20
czrI think there was a similar delay with N800 as well14:20
czrpeople will always complain :-)14:20
alteregoYeah, I wasn't around then :)14:20
czrand hello to you too, alterego14:20
tsavolano there wasn't14:20
alteregoGood afternoon czr :)14:20
czrtsavola, there wasn't? weird. there should've been14:21
tsavolanot this long afair14:21
* czr nods14:21
alteregoI remember hearing something about problems with the discount codes.14:21
czrah. nokia-online problem then14:21
czrfigures :-)14:21
alteregoWell, with respect to the delay. I was expecting it by yesterday.14:21
czr30th is a friday as well btw14:22
alteregoSo in my mind the delay is only just begininning :P14:22
alterego(30th != mid november) :)14:22
* czr adds more delay into alterego's brain14:22
czrah, someone said mid november?14:22
czrI haven't really followed the stuff, since I didn't apply for the dev program anyway14:22
alteregoYes, that was from the official announcement in October.14:22
* czr nods14:22
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czrhmm. tsavola, how do I add multi-arch sources to sources.list?14:23
alteregoI might just auction off my discount code ^_^14:23
tsavolaczr: no idea14:23
czrbut you must know!14:23
alteregoWell .. That's not likely. After watching those videos on ITT14:23
tsavolaczr: no14:24
alteregoDispite reggie's monotone and rather slow speech. The N810 _looks_ real sweet :)14:24
czrtsavola, but you could. in theory14:24
tsavolaczr: absolutely not14:24
czrhmm. I can't really convince you on this one?14:25
alteregoAre you talking about packages ending in "_all.deb" ?14:25
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[pablo]i got mine mid-november14:27
czralterego, no14:27
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[pablo]they just didn't have enough at release time heh14:27
czralterego, I'm mirroring repos.maemo.org14:27
czralterego, trying to figure out how to mirror armel stuff as well14:27
alteregoCould you mirror
czrin theory14:28
alteregoYou should just host it O_O14:28
czrwhy would I bother? :-)14:28
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alteregoI'm bored ..14:28
alteregoI'm lacking motivation to do anything right now :/14:28
czrargh. the arm-side of the repos is broken14:29
czrsuspected as much14:29
pupnik[pablo]: you happy with the speaker quality on the 810?14:29
[pablo]i am, but i never had an n800, thoguhtfix tells me it's not as good, but it's still really good for a device that size14:30
alteregoIt seemed pretty loud on the ITT video14:30
pupniki love electrostatics14:30
pupnikno comparison to a tiny magnet and cone14:31
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czrit wasn't a bug in the repo. at least not yet.14:32
alteregoThe N810 shows up on the products page.14:33
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alteregoIs that false advertising? :D14:33
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czrthe speaker is pretty loud indeed.14:33
czr"lacks bass though"14:33
alteregoYeah, they should install a sub woofer ..14:34
czreven a regular woofer would do14:34
alteregoI don't think you can get 10mm woofers.14:34
czr"I pressed 'play' and this damn thing started barking on me, just "woof woof woof" all the time"14:34
czr155.3 MiB will be downloaded into archive.14:35
czrDownloading 576 archive files using 20 threads...14:35
* alterego yawns ..14:36
alteregoWhat to do ..14:36
czrhmm. you could document how to replace the broken qemu with a working one14:37
czrper target14:37
czrthat'd be nice14:37
alteregoWhy would you do it per target?14:37
czrno need to break things that work already (3.2)14:37
czrcall me a pessimist if you will :-)14:38
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alteregoHmm .. I could set up a ruby-maemo repository.14:40
* alterego does that.14:40
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czrhmm. there's a weird inconsistency in the repositories14:41
czrdists/chinook, but pool/maemo4.014:41
czralterego, in the official repos14:41
czrI think I'm the first person ever to attempt mirroring that14:41
czrso I'm running against all kinds of weird foo14:41
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alteregoKnow any good resources on setup/managing a debian repo?14:42
czrnot really. google ought to know though14:42
czrhmm. seems that maemo4.0 should be the proper name for the repo, not chinook14:42
czrtis fucked me say.14:42
alteregoGoogle doesn't know whether somethings good or not :P Just whether it's popular.14:43
czrcause the default sources.list uses 'chinook', not maemo4.014:43
czronly whether it's linked to or not :-)14:43
czryou might ask on #debian though14:43
czr"Description: Debian Nokia repository"14:43
alteregoI'll read the one on the debian site.14:43
czrI wonder what that means :-)14:43
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alteregoIn fact, setting up a debian repository is a good idea.14:48
alteregoIf I can automate the building of rubygems into debs I'll be happy :)14:48
czrbug 2374 :-)14:50
_MonkeyBug 2374 might be found at
* czr is feeling powerful today14:50
czralterego, you might want to write a small wikidoc on it?14:50
czrI think there are already some docs on this, probably quite vague ones, but still14:50
alteregoOn what?14:51
czron setting up custom repos wrt maemo stuff14:51
alteregoYeah, that might be a good idea.14:51
alteregoI'll think about it :P14:52
czrlazyass :-)14:52
alteregoI was under the impression that setting up repositories was frowned upon.14:52
czrwhy is it that people always complain about stuff, but never are willing to fix stuff :-)14:52
alteregoWe're all supposed to adhere to extras/extras-devel14:52
czrextras/extras-devel is under construction methinks14:52
czror at least very dependent on the issues with maemo.org14:53
alteregoBut after not having a reply on the mailing list and continuous unsuccessful attempts at uploading to extras-devel I've given up on that ..14:53
* czr nods14:53
czrhmm. should I attempt at building my pedagodriver for N810?14:53
* czr ponders14:53
alteregoLabel: YourCompany Debian repository14:54
czrbut it's not a Debian repository, is it..14:54
alteregoHmm ..14:54
alteregoNo I guess not.14:54
czrhas nothing to do with Debian per se.14:54
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alteregoWell, if Ubuntu doesn't use Debian then maemo shouldn't either ;)14:55
alteregoWhether Ubuntu do or not I don't know ..14:55
czrlet me see14:55
czr"Description: Ubuntu Feisty 7.04"14:56
czrfor feisty/Release14:56
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czralterego, I appended that bug14:58
czrgood catch. providing with a real example was a good idea14:58
czruh. out of 60 last bugs, 15 are mine.15:00
* czr should get his coat15:00
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alteregoShould I stick everything under extras in my repo?15:04
czrI think you should think about the subrepo name15:05
alteregofree non-free I guess ..15:05
alteregosubrepo name?15:06
czryeah, the "free non-free extras"-bit15:06
alteregoYes, my question :P15:06
czryou're free to decide what names you use there. those are debian-conventions15:06
czrubuntu uses different ones for example15:06
alteregocommon maemo usage shows 'user' 'free non-free'15:06
czrwhy do you think that common maemo usage is correct? :-)15:07
czris all of your code released under a free open source license?15:07
czrif yes, then use just 'free'15:07
alteregoConsistency is more important than being "correct" ;)15:07
czrimho not. especially since the env is changing all the time15:07
czrbut that was just my imho :-) you're free to ignore it of course15:08
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alteregoDon't mind me whilst my computer continually kills itself ..15:11
barisioneI'm going to ask a stupid question, sorry but I'm playing with maemo for the first time :)15:14
barisioneI followed the instructions on and now I have maemo running but with no apps (except for maemopad and hello world)15:14
barisioneif I start the app manager I get "Operation failed"15:14
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alteregoAm I right in thinking that the source directory is optional? I only need the binary dirs right?15:17
czrbarisione, that is a bug in Am15:18
czrbarisione, also, the environment is meant for software development. it is not a device emulator. hence, there are no applications.15:18
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czrbarisione, see bug 231215:19
_MonkeyBug 2312 might be found at
czrbut I doubt you really want to use Application manager for anything15:19
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czrthe software catalog and download feature won't work with it, even if you apply the hack for 2312.15:19
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czrbarisione, you should use 'dpkg -i ' instead, or 'apt-get'.15:20
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JaffaAnyone with their tablet handy able to download (12MB) and tell me how well it plays in Media Player and/or mplayer on OS2007/2008?15:21
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* Jaffa has reduced the number of presets, bumped up the quality and added a sharpness filter to the output in tablet-encode v2.0115:22
czrJaffa, sure15:22
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czrdamn. this is pretty good jaffa15:24
czrsome problems with fast pans, but that's just to be expected.15:24
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JaffaStuttering or just the normal tearing?15:25
czrslow scenes are just perfect15:25
czrnormal tearing I'd say15:25
Jaffaczr: that's the new "best" preset, 800kbps video, 192kbps audio15:25
Jaffaczr: OS2007 or 8?15:25
_Monkeywell, OS2008 is really fast15:25
barisioneczr: thanks15:25
barisioneI know that it' for sw development but I would work on the telepathy-related sutff already in maemo.15:25
barisioneI will just use apt-get15:25
Jaffaczr: cool, thanks15:26
czryou want me to test on 2008/N800 jaffa?15:26
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Jaffaczr: Nah, I'd expect it to be identical.15:26
barisionewhat packages do I need for IM?15:26
czrJaffa, ok.15:26
Jaffaczr: And you were using the normal Media Player or mplayer?15:26
czrJaffa, normal15:26
czrJaffa, I don't have anything extra installed on N81015:26
* alterego tests out his new spangly repository.15:26
czrjust put the url into the browser, clicked "open" and media player started15:27
* Jaffa is going to add auto DVD-language selection and VDR-language selection based on $LANG.15:27
Jaffaczr: cool15:27
czralso reminded me to lower down the volume at some point ;-)15:27
czrthe max vol on N810 is really loud15:27
czrJaffa, what did you use as source for that?15:28
czrbarisione, depends on what IM you mean15:28
czrbarisione, apt-cache search instant  ?15:28
czror whatever you like. some stuff is in the extras repo, for other stuff (most interesting ones) you'll need to modify your sources.list15:29
alteregoWoo .. It werkz!15:29
czralterego, wiki chop chop. or something else :-)15:30
alteregoIt might be working, but it doesn't mean it's finished :P15:30
alteregoI've only done it for chinook armel15:31
alteregoI've still got bora and i386 to do.15:31
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Jaffaczr: DVD. Coupling, series 3, episode 115:34
czrJaffa, ah, cool. Pretty decent quality for DVD. xvid?15:35
czr(output I mean)15:35
czrthe picture was somewhat smooth, but not embarassingly so. and certainly suprised me with the quality.15:35
Jaffaczr: mencoder through tablet-encode. Xvid/MP3 audio. 800kbps/192kbps bitrates, native framerate.15:36
* DRoBeR is back ^_^15:36
czrJaffa, native as in source framerate?15:37
alteregoThis is a bit of a hack job anyway ..15:37
czralterego, not as much of a hack job as this one though:
Jaffaczr: yeah15:38
* czr nods to jaffa15:38
Jaffa25fps for a PAL DVD15:38
czrJaffa, any idea on how long the battery will last with that quality setting?15:38
Jaffaczr: No idea at all.15:38
czrdoes your pipeline do de-interlacing as well?15:38
alteregoThat's my repository.15:38
Jaffaczr: Hmm, good question15:39
alteregoInteresting ..15:39
czrJaffa, I'd imagine one would get better quality with de-interlaced content, since the TFT won't support interlacing anyway15:39
czralterego, hmm. it seems wrong somehow15:39
alteregoMy pretty icon doesn't appear :/15:39
alteregoczr, how so?15:40
czralterego, also, you only have dists. not dists and pool like normally one would expect15:40
alteregoYeah, I know.15:40
Jaffaczr: indeed.15:40
alteregoIt's a very simple repository :)15:41
czrhmm. is it normal to have a binary package without the Source: tag defined in control?15:44
czror not control, but dpkg --info for example15:44
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alteregoWell, I made a pool dir :P15:50
czrgood for you :-)15:50
czrI'm trying to decide whether to write a repo-verification tool or not15:51
czrdamn if I will open a separate bug for each package.15:51
alteregoI need to figure out how to copy acros the maemo icon field :/15:51
czrit's in the control file15:52
alteregoYes, but it's not getting copied to Packages.gz15:52
czrwhat was the icon field name?15:53
alteregoXB-Maemo something 2615:53
czrhmm. interesting15:54
czrthere is Maemo-Icon-26 in one package, let me scan for more15:54
czr(note the lack of XB-)15:54
czractually I think that's a bug15:54
alteregoXB is the tag to say that it's not a standard debian bug.15:54
czrI know15:55
czrbut I'l going through the Packages of the maemo repo now15:55
infobotalterego meant: XB is the tag to say that it's not a standard debian field.15:55
czralterego, the icon field is not present in the repo packages.gz15:55
alteregoOh well.15:55
czrso, I guess it goes into the .deb, but not into packages.gz15:55
alteregoO guess I'll have to manually do it or forget about it.15:56
alteregoGrr .. I can't set the .install file for my projects on downloads maemo because it's down!15:58
alteregoDOWLOADS IS DOWN!15:58
alteregoOh, actually it's just real slow ..15:58
czralterego, bug 237615:59
_MonkeyBug 2376 might be found at
alteregoI might downgrade ruby-maemo from beta to alpha16:00
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kaltsiczr about having sources in the same directory as binaries (bug 2351) - that's how debian seems to do it too16:14
_MonkeyBug 2351 might be found at
kaltsifor example
czrkaltsi, hmm. let me see16:18
czrso does ubuntu16:18
czrkaltsi, thanks, I'll append the bug report :-)16:18
kaltsino sources symlink though :)16:19
czrkaltsi, yup16:19
czrit's silly16:19
alteregoHow many 500 errors can give me in 10 minutes :/16:19
czralthough I understand why it exists, but still.16:19
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czrkaltsi, refresh :-)16:20
kaltsipointed out by kaltsi.. hehe :)16:21
czrnow you're immortal :-)16:22
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kaltsimaybe it's that Maria Kaltsi that's the first hit in google for kaltsi16:22
* DRoBeR is away: I want to break freak16:23
czrkaltsi, maybe it is!16:23
czrinfact, you could be her for all we know :-)16:24
kaltsime luv you loong time16:24
kaltsioops disregard16:24
* czr is ballmer IRL16:24
czrthe feeling is mutual :-)16:24
czrkaltsi, how did you like my other bugs from today? :-)16:25
czr2374 - 237616:25
* czr spanks _Monkey 16:25
kaltsiI didn't check those.. arr should I16:25
czrnot really. other than for chuckles :-)16:26
kaltsiI've wanted that osso -> maemo change also.. discussion raised some moans16:27
alteregoIt's bloody cold ..16:27
alteregoI'm gonna have to get better windows. These ones are very drafty ..16:27
kaltsimaybe that 2376 will get fixed since the hello-world is being worked on :)16:28
czrkaltsi, it's a separate bug though, easy to miss that one16:29
czrkaltsi, I'm thinking of writing a repo verification tool16:31
czrsince filing each bug separately is insane16:31
czrit would generate a report of issues and I'd just update it once a night -> static pages on my server.16:32
czr"thinking of" != going to do :-)16:32
czrbut I'm seeing a lot of small issues here and there.16:32
kaltsithere's a lot of old crap that gets forgotten easily since things work most of the time16:34
czryup. that's why I'm thinking of a single page report16:35
czrit would be blunt and work off the public repo directly.16:35
czrso the only way to shut it up about something would be fixing the issues16:35
* czr "hee hee"s on the background16:36
sp3000plus, then you can deflect any criticism with "the tool did it!" :)16:36
czrthat is one of the things, yes :-)16:37
czrbut I'll see. have to finish couple of other things first, might take a stab at the tool later16:37
czralso, if someone has a link to nice SVG icons with "traffic signs" with not too restrictive license, I'm all ears16:38
czrwondering whether I should report a bug in apt-mirror as well16:38
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czror rather, not a bug, but an issue that stops it working with maemo repos16:39
zerojayArgh.. Garage down again.16:39
zerojayoh.. up now.16:39
czrit's not down. it's slow16:39
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alteregoSomeone should make a good grease monkey thingy for youtube ..16:40
zerojayThere already are.16:40
* alterego looks.16:40
zerojayI think youtube's one of the sites that has the most scripts.16:40
alteregoThe video playback in OS2008 is pretty impressive16:41
kaltsiczr look at the end of this page
alteregoBut youtube renders like crap ..16:41
zerojayIf your video's on the mobile version, you can play it without dropping a frame.16:41
JaffaOne which tidies up the page so that you don't need to scroll on an 800x480 screen16:41
kaltsiczr there's that traffic signs part where you get different kinds of signs in svg16:41
czrkaltsi, thanks.16:43
czrah. /me thanks germany for putting those into public domain16:43
alteregozerojay, you can have that on the full version. If you wait for it to download/buffer16:45
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zerojayIt's not that smooth even when fully buffered.16:47
zerojayTry it, you'll see.16:47
alteregoI use it all the time ..16:47
alteregoWorks perfectly ..16:47
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zerojayIt still drops frames when viewed in the browser.16:48
alterego ..16:48
alteregoIt works perfectly for me ..16:48
zerojayYou just don't notice it then.16:48
alteregoIf it's dropping frames then I've not noticed.16:48
zerojayI notice it.. screen tearing and frame drops.. but it's nothing major and nothing that I find unacceptable, that's for sure.16:49
zerojayBut the same video on the mobile site played through media player  drops nothing.16:49
zerojayProbably because there's no flash overhead.16:50
alteregoMeh, my N800 must be better than yours :P16:50
zerojayNo, just my eyes. :)16:51
alteregoI doubt that.16:51
czrbleh. forgot my sf password16:51
zerojayI can see scanlines on TVs 50 feet away.16:51
czrI see dead people16:52
czrs/people/open source projects/16:52
infobotczr meant: I see dead open source projects16:52
zerojayAnyways, no.. youtube isn't perfect on IT2008.. but it drops frames a lot less than it used to.16:52
czrbleh, infobot is irritating16:52
zerojayAll the bots are.16:52
czresp ones that speak when not spoken to16:53
zerojayI forgot the way to kill Monkey...16:53
zerojayBut when I find it, I'm just going to repeatedly kill it until the owner gets the hint.16:53
* czr seconds16:54
sp3000vote for change ;)16:56
zerojayBy crashing the bot repeatedly. :)16:56
sp3000didn't it used to die when you said change16:56
zerojayIt's Milhouse that's running the bot.16:57
sp3000someone must have fixed it or there's a nuance I missed :)16:57
zerojayThere was something.. can't remember what it was now though.16:58
sp3000change socks?16:58
_Monkeysp3000: that doesn't look right16:58
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sp3000ah, needs to be followed by a word, or something.16:58
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zerojaychange servers?16:58
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right16:58
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sp3000good to know16:58
* zerojay considers writing a macro to do it for him.16:58
zerojaychange diaper?16:59
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right16:59
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zerojaychange pants?16:59
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right16:59
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zerojaychange firmware?17:00
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:00
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* sp3000 wonders how much space an upgrade to gutsy is likely to need17:00
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zerojaychange distros?17:00
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:00
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zerojaychange providers?17:00
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:00
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zerojayThis is fun.17:00
czrsp3000, from feisty?17:00
zerojayI could do it all day.17:00
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zerojaychange do it all day?17:01
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:01
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sp3000at some point you may need to change how you do that to look like conversation ;)17:01
czrsp3000, depends on how much of cruft you've already have installed. it's not much larger after the update process is complete (at least with xubuntu)17:01
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GNUton_Monkey: ?17:01
_Monkeybugger all, i dunno, gnuton17:01
GNUton_Monkey: ?17:01
_Monkeygnuton: bugger all, i dunno17:01
zerojaysp3000: No worse than the bot.17:01
zerojaychange die?17:01
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:01
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GNUton_Monkey: stupid bot :P17:01
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GNUton_Monkey: stupid bot :P17:01
_MonkeyGNUton: sorry...17:01
GNUton_Monkey: aaaaaaaaaaA?17:02
_Monkeygnuton: bugger all, i dunno17:02
zerojaychange stfu bot?17:02
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:02
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JaffaSearch the logs?17:02
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zerojaychange *boom*?17:02
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:02
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zerojaychange puke?17:03
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:03
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zerojay_Monkey: change death?17:03
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:03
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zerojayanyone have some spare change?17:03
zerojayChange for a $5?17:04
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:04
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zerojayWho changes clothes at 5am?17:04
zerojayWho change clothes at 5am?17:04
alteregoSomeone getting dressed?17:04
zerojaychange your ways, evil doer?17:04
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:04
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zerojaychange you know, it's not that bad, you dumb bot. you don't have to repeatedly annoy the shit out of everyone in the room and sit here even though no one's ever wanted you to be here in the first place?17:05
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:05
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pupnikafkcurse you sp300017:08
zerojaychange that to cursing infobot?17:08
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:08
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zerojayimdb for clerks17:10
pupnikafki should have added a ;) to that17:10
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sp3000pfft ;)17:21
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maddlerhi all!17:22
czrhmm. I wonder whether it's possible to pit _monkey against infobot17:22
zerojayThey run the same software.17:23
czrhmm. maybe I better not try :-)17:23
zerojaychange die bot die!?17:23
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right17:23
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Jaffalo maddler. Thanks for the pointer to Quim's comment.17:31
maddlerJaffa: no problem...17:38
maddlerI mean... after all I'm only trying to know more... :)17:38
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maddlerand quim always had a great attitude... imho...17:39
maddlerJaffa: beside that... I was considering moving all maemopeolple blogs from b2e to wordpress...17:39
Jaffamaddler: As long as there are reasonably decent fluid-width, not overly silly or pervasive themes (I've finally got one I like ;-))17:43
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_Monkeyque tal, zpol17:52
maddlerJaffa: hehehe... no problem... "actual" maemopeople won't be affected... I mean... if you feel comfortable with actual blog system... you won't have to change it... :)17:53
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Andy80maddler: about blogs.... can you suggest me a blog service that support the wiki syntax? blogger and wordpress are ugly when you have to publish an howto, where you have to show commands to type, code examples ecc...18:07
alteregoYou can use HTML with blogger.18:07
zerojayAndy80: Why don't you just install a wiki then?18:08
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Andy80zerojay: I've a wiki :)18:09
alteregoWhy don't you use it then? :P18:09
Andy80zerojay: but... when I want to publish something on Planet Maemo, for example.... I've to announce it on my blog ( and then write the complete howto in the wiki18:10
Andy80two post for the same thing18:10
zerojayJust use the wiki then.18:10
Andy80would be great if Blogger let me to add box-code or something similar18:10
maddlerandy.... there should be a WP plugin in order to support Wiki syntax...18:13
Andy80maddler: really?? wooow :)18:14
maddlerAndy80: btw... using WP advanced editors... it shouldn't be too hard... imho...18:14
Andy80maddler: advanced editors? I don't know them... I just subscribed yesterday to WP, to evaluate it18:14
maddlerWP editor is kinda "advanced"18:15
maddleryou can use WYSIWYG to write your posts...18:16
maddlerand adding new CSS style is easy...18:16
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sp3000czr: oh, actually it checks (1483M it says)18:20
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czrsp3000, hmm?18:20
sp3000czr: the gutsy update18:20
hugol1I just bought the n800 yesterday and cant find what my root password is18:20
czrsp3000, ah. right :-)18:20
hugol1can anybody tell me where I should look?18:21
czrsp3000, after update the size difference isn't that large. that's what I meant :-)18:21
zerojayThe pass is rootme.18:21
czrhugol1, you'll need to enable r&d mode on the device too.18:21
kaltsiczr why do you say that? it's only needed with the sudo gainroot thingy.. otherwise not18:21
hugol1czr:  its not18:22
czrkaltsi, it's needed with 2008 & openssh-server too18:22
kaltsiczr really? didn't know that :-/18:22
czrwell, at least I needed it. couldn't get root login without it via openssh-server.18:22
hugol1czr:  I installed the x-terminal directly into the n800, im not using ssh18:22
czrhugol1, how do you plan to get root privs then?18:23
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hugol1using sudo?18:23
hugol1if I do sudo su it asks me for a pasword18:23
hugol1I though maemo was based on Debian18:23
kaltsiit asks for your password, not the root password18:23
hugol1kaltsi:  ok, then whats my password18:24
derfsudo never asks you for someone else's password.18:24
kaltsiand then it says that you don't have sudo rights18:24
hugol1I havent set the password nowhere18:24
hugol1kaltsi:  ok, so you are saying the only way to get root rights on the n800 is through ssh?18:24
kaltsino :)18:24
kaltsiI'm trying to find you a link with all the options18:25
|Rit's just  very easy :)18:25
czrbtw, if anyone knows of a policy document describing what 'free' and 'non-free' mean in maemo repositories, I'd appreciate a link18:25
kaltsissh is one way18:25
* czr sees how hugol1 will manage without r&d.18:25
czralthough 2007 openssh doesn't require r&d for root login afair18:25
hugol1kaltsi:  thanks18:26
kaltsihugol1: that dropbear stuff is for 770. ignore it18:26
gla55_hendrix castle made of sand18:26
gla55_wrong channel, sorry18:26
hugol1kaltsi:  ok18:27
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kaltsihugol1: and if you are new then look at stuff in .. there are how-to's and a wiki for all kinds of things. It seems to be quite slow at the moment though.18:30
hugol1kaltsi:  I dont need dropbear but I do need openssh right?18:30
hugol1kaltsi:  Ive been looking arround, allredy installed pidgin, kagu, uktube, mplayer, ...18:31
hugol1the default n800 software is spartan18:31
kaltsihugol1: yep, you need ssh (or set it up in R&D mode like czr said and then you can just use 'sudo gainroot')18:32
hugol1kaltsi:  whats R&D?18:32
kaltsito set it up in R&D mode you need to do it from a linux machine with the linux flasher..18:32
* czr smacks kaltsi and hugol1 with a large trout for not believing him18:32
kaltsiresearch & development mode18:32
hugol1I see18:32
hugol1guess I will try the ssh way18:32
kaltsiczr well I only argued that R&D mode was not needed for the ssh ;-)18:33
czrhugol1, ssh root@localhost should work18:33
czrkaltsi, so only a small trout for you then!18:33
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czrheh. yes.18:33
czrDesktop Troutlet18:33
hugol1I have read that in December the 2008 OS will be ready, is it going to be a big change?18:33
czrhugol1, depends on your definition of big.18:34
czrit's better yes.18:34
kaltsihugol1: it's an improvement.. maybe not big but noticeable18:34
kaltsiunder the hood it's big18:34
czrkaltsi, that just sounds plain wrong :-)18:35
czresp when taken out of context :-)18:35
hugol1oh, so its more like underground than flashy change?18:35
hugol1thats good to hear18:35
czrhugol1, both18:35
hugol1I had my doubts on buying the n800 and Im completely loving it18:35
JaffaThere's also the becomeroot deb which enables `sudo gainroot' without R&D mode, without SSH and without any additional hassle.18:36
czrJaffa, it's difficult to find btw18:37
zoranregarding so many questions about gaining root, I supose would be better to make su rein the whole thing.18:37
hugol1Jaffa:  you know where I can find this deb?18:37
kaltsithe wiki should be updated too18:38
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hugol1Jaffa:  I think I allredy found it through google18:38
Jaffaczr: it is?18:39
Jaffa_Monkey: becomeroot?18:39
_Monkeybecomeroot is probably a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
czrtry finding the deb that works18:39
czror maybe I was blind18:40
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czrI remember I had some problems finding one which wasn't for 77018:40
JaffaIt's all the same deb IIRC18:40
* czr shrugs18:40
zoranhuh, just compiled centerim for freebsd. Using additional protocols made the whole thing unbelievable. Over 25 mb of source, just to get little app, that none use today.18:42
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captlloydAnyone know of a good site that has wallpapers or themes for N800/810?18:45
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zerojayzoran: You mean centericq?18:48
timelyxalterego: nokia usa has lots of bogus information on it unfortunately18:48
zorannope, centerim18:48
zoranit goes after centericq18:48
zoranand what a mess!18:49
zerojayOh, it's a fork.18:49
zerojayIt was a good program.18:49
zoranlooks fine18:49
zoranjsut I made a mistake and included more protocols18:49
timelyxJaffa: fwiw in case it hasn't been mentioned, not all n810s have qwerty keyboards18:49
timelyxsome have at least qwertz18:49
* timelyx isn't sure if there's an azerty floating around (probably not)18:50
zoransomebody else, except pygi, uses im nowadays?18:50
timelyxsp3000: yes, that's the bug... *bah*18:51
timelyxthat's so unexpected18:51
timelyxis it documented in help?18:51
czrhey timelyx18:51
_Monkeytimelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback18:51
timelyx_Monkey forget friday18:51
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot friday18:51
timelyx_Monkey friday is <reply>18:52
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.18:52
timelyxczr: clearly nokia didn't consult me on that relnote :(~18:53
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* timelyx will need to build an xref to find out what's in that...18:54
czrtimelyx, me neither :-)18:54
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timelyxalterego: could you please file a bug documenting what goes wrong w/ vkb form entry?18:55
timelyx_Monkey forget Quim Gill18:55
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot quim gill18:55
timelyx_Monkey forget Quim Gil18:55
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot quim gil18:55
timelyx_Monkey Quim Gil is <reply>18:55
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.18:55
timelyx_Monkey Quim Gill is <reply>18:55
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.18:55
timelyx_Monkey forget buildroot18:56
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot buildroot18:56
timelyx_Monkey buildroot is <reply>18:56
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.18:56
zerojaychange die?18:56
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right18:56
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timelyxsomeone killed _Monkey?18:56
zerojaychange this works every time?18:56
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right18:57
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* czr hopes so18:57
zoranparrots speak better!18:57
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zerojaychange he doesn't like me?18:57
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right18:57
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timelyx_Monkey forget your mom18:57
hugol1Jaffa:  I have installed the repository from but becomeroot package doesnt appear18:57
hugol1any idea?18:57
timelyx_Monkey your mom is <reply>18:57
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hugol1(besides using ssh)18:57
timelyx_Monkey forget yeah, DSP hacking18:58
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot yeah, dsp hacking18:58
timelyx_Monkey yeah, DSP hacking is <reply>18:58
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.18:58
zorantimelyx likes to tease animals?18:59
hugol1Jaffa:  my fault, I found it19:00
zerojayDamn it.. the RSS feed reader's completely broken in the new IT2008 update.19:01
timelyxniteOwl2: if the docs are confusing, please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org19:01
zerojaySegfaults on launch every time.19:02
timelyxcaptlloyd: you can change the hardware keyboard layout, you /might/ prefer the GB19:04
zerojayIronic, considering the release notes say "added stability".19:04
timelyx(of course, then you get to type blindly, but hey...)19:04
timelyx_Monkey forget internettablettalk19:04
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot internettablettalk19:04
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zerojay_Monkey die19:05
_Monkeyzerojay: what?19:05
timelyx_Monkey forget gps19:05
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot gps19:05
timelyx_Monkey forget yeah, openssh19:06
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot yeah, openssh19:06
timelyx_Monkey yeah, openssh is <reply>19:06
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.19:06
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timelyx[pablo] / guerby from memory the hardware keyboard is fairly different19:09
timelyxbecause of `e19:09
timelyxczr: please get my bug karma fixed ;-)19:10
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RobAtWorkpretty necessary19:14
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pupnikbotnet begone19:15
czrtimelyx, I added me-too to bug 17something19:15
_MonkeyBug 17 might be found at
timelyx_Monkey forget damn. this19:15
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot damn. this19:15
timelyx_Monkey damn. this is <reply>19:15
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.19:15
timelyx_Monkey forget slow scenes19:15
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot slow scenes19:15
czrtimelyx, how do I get list of bugs where I'm CCed?19:16
timelyx_Monkey slow scenes are <reply>19:16
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.19:16
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pupnikquitting smoking is exactly like waiting for a N81019:16
pupnikhow interesting19:16
czrtimeless, 219619:17
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timelyx_Monkey forget wp editor19:22
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot wp editor19:22
timelyx_Monkey wp editor is <reply>19:22
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.19:22
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timelyx_Monkey forget and adding new CSS style19:22
_Monkeytimelyx, I didn't have anything matching and adding new css style19:22
timelyx_Monkey and adding new CSS style is <reply>19:22
_Monkey...but adding new css style is easy......19:22
czrtimelyx, you job is to undo all the stuff that monkey learns during the week?19:24
czrthat sounds even sadder than my job :-)19:24
timelyx_Monkey forget your mom19:24
_Monkeytimelyx, I didn't have anything matching your mom19:24
timelyx_Monkey your mom is <reply>19:24
_Monkey...but _monkey's mom is super easy...19:24
timelyxnot officially19:25
timelyx_Monkey forget monkey's mom19:26
_Monkeytimelyx, I didn't have anything matching monkey's mom19:26
timelyx_Monkey forget _monkey's mom19:26
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot _monkey's mom19:26
timelyx_Monkey your mom is <reply>19:26
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.19:26
timelyxchange it?19:26
_Monkeytimelyx: that doesn't look right19:26
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timelyxgood bye.19:26
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timelyxi mostly do this to remind people that monkey is a dumb learner19:26
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timelyx_monkey timelyx mostly do this to remind people that monkey is?19:27
_Monkeyi haven't a clue, timelyx19:27
timelyx_monkey timelyx mostly do this to remind people that monkey?19:27
_Monkeytimelyx: wish i knew19:27
timelyxoh well19:27
czryeah, but wasting time on _monkey isn't very productive :-)19:27
timelyxit's a saturday night, it's kinda like free entertainment?19:27
* czr nods19:28
czralthough I found the whole thing with moms quite funny19:28
* czr is a sad person19:28
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timelyxbtw, in case you're curious, that comment is magical19:29
czrit is? how?19:30
timelyxif you look through, you'll find that it was used a lot19:30
czrrepeats the previous comment?19:30
timelyxa single . on a line is ignored by mailers19:30
czrand it's purpose is?19:30
timelyxit's like why "From" never appears at the beginning of a line in mail19:30
timelyx(you get >From)19:31
timelyxit meant something like "blank line please, i'm not really done yet"19:31
hugol1hi, I became root and have installed nfs support on my n800 but I can only access the nfs mount directory throught the x-terminal, anybody can give me a clue on how to access it?19:31
captlloydtimelyx: I only saw English Netherlands as a keyboard layout option, was I looking in the wrong place?19:31
czrtimelyx, hmm. maybe they borrowed the syntax out of debian control files ;-)19:31
czror SMTP19:31
czrwho knows.19:31
timelyxi have 7 choices19:32
timelyxit's from SMTP19:32
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timelyxcaptlloyd: it's in control panel/text input, first tab19:32
timelyxhrm, yeah, you're right, they don't have 2 english layouts19:32
timelyxtry german :)19:32
czrhugol1, mount it under /home/user/MyDocs/somewhere.19:33
timelyxsorry, forgot they unified us19:33
czrhugol1, MyDocs is the "root" for the graphical dialogs19:33
timelyxthe software layouts for en-US and en-GB are fairly different19:33
timelyxespecially wrt |19:33
hugol1czr:  ok, is it posible to use ln in n800?19:33
timelyxfrom memory, VKB en-GB makes | reachable19:33
czrhugol1, of course. don't know how it will affect the graphical dialogs though. do tell after you try it19:33
timelyxczr: speaking of fun bugs19:34
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gnuiteWhat the hey, is libgpsbt/libgpsmgr closed-source in Chinook?19:35
b0unc3_hugol1: try wizard-mounter ;)19:36
hugol1b0unc3_:  whats wizard-mounter?19:36
hugol1a graphical interface?19:36
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timelyxis the hover thing from being logged into supposed to be 90% offscreen left ? :)19:37
gnuiteI gave up on that hover thing - it never works for me....19:38
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hugol1b0unc3:  my n800 doesnt like the .deb of wizard-mounter19:42
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hugol1it says imposible to install wizard-mounter19:43
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b0unc3hugol1: strange... try the .install file :
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hugol1b0unc3:  I allredy have ln in MyDocs directory and its working19:46
hugol1czr:  ln seems to work, Im going to try to play a audio file from the nfs mount now19:46
czrhugol1, can you take a screenshot of the filemanager with the link?19:47
czrdoes it look like a directory or what?19:47
hugol1yes it looks like a carpet19:47
hugol1I created the directory nfs in MyDocs and I can see it in file administrator (or whatever the name is in english, I have it in spanish)19:48
czrcarpet. cool :-)19:48
hugol1but it seems the media player doesnt like it19:48
hugol1its stuck at buffering something19:48
hugol1no, its working now19:49
hugol1it took like 20 or 30 seconds to buffer but its working19:49
hugol1this is so cool19:49
czrwith the symlink?19:50
hugol1I can access all the music collection on my nas through the wifi19:50
czrok. good to hear that the symlink works19:50
hugol1czr:  yes, with ln. I have mounted in /mnt/media and make a ln -s link to MyDocs19:50
czrshould probably work on some gui statusbar thingy for nfs/smb attaching at some point, if could be bothered :-)19:50
hugol1yep, that be great19:51
hugol1going to try the kagu music scaner, hope it doesnt go crazy with all the mp3 on my server hd19:52
hugol1one last thing, I have tried maemo mapper, and looks great, but it doesnt calculate a route without internet access19:53
hugol1is there any program that can do that?19:53
hugol1it would be great to be able to download the maps, save them in the memory, and then move arround without needing a internet conection19:54
pupnikdata plan is unaffordable for me19:54
timelyxprograms do exist19:55
timelyxand the map files are most definitely portable19:55
hugol1mmm, Im guessing that kagu only looks under the music directory so thats why its not discovering my nfs shares, can anyone confirm this?19:55
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* timelyx used a phone demo booth at an airport to collect maps while waiting for a plane19:55
timelyxyum, free gprs connection :)19:56
hugol1timelyx:  and the program name is?19:56
Andy80hugol1: wait for Os2008, you'll have Maps application :)19:56
hugol1Andy80:  great19:56
hugol1Im absolutely loving my n80019:56
hugol1I wonder why nokia didnt make it a phone as well19:56
timelyxi know they exist19:56
timelyxhugol1: there are enough pages w/ speculation explaining why it's nokia probably didn't19:57
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timelyxbut there's supposedly an n800 derivative to be shipped w/ sprint in 2008 (?)19:57
timelyxi just used maemo mapper :)19:57
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Andy80well... for example I can connect to internet using the UMTS connection, from the device and use Skype to make a call :)19:58
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hugol1Andy80:  you are saying that I can use a 3g conection with the n800?19:59
Andy80hugol1: no... but you can connect to your phone via bluetooth19:59
hugol1Andy80:  yes, ok, but then I have to carry both19:59
Andy80I've a Nokia N73, and I can connect to internet in two ways: using wifi connection, and using the UMTS connection of the phone... so N800/810 --> N73 --> Internet20:00
hugol1Andy80:  yes I have a k800i with 3g as well, but the point was to carry one device only20:00
L0cutusi think it is better to have 2 devices pda+cell to have the best of the 2 world20:00
L0cutuswha i really need is a good pim on n800 :(20:02
timelyxhugol1: so... one device means it's a lot more expensive20:02
timelyxand nokia is stuck being locked to networks20:02
timelyxand having to deal w/ network / device locks20:03
hugol1timelyx:  dont really know what your talking about, probably nokia has its reasons.20:03
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hugol1czr:  just in case you want to know, I deleted the previous symlinc and I created one at ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ and kagu seems to be scaning the files fine20:09
czrhugol1, ok.20:09
oilwhat would be the best / easiest way to do automatic media transfer to n800? I'm thinking of some web-gui to mark wanted music/podcasts/videos on my mediaserver so that those files would be synced to the n800 when it will be on home wlan coverage20:13
timelyxrsync ;-)20:13
oiltimelyx: I'm thinking of that. normally works perfectly. Just wondering how to create the web-gui for it.20:14
oilmaybe an directory which will contain links (ln -s) to the ablums I wish to rsync to n800 ?20:14
timelyxmake web gui let you generate symlinks in a drop folder20:14
oilok. that makes sense :)20:14
oilthe idea is to install n800 (when I get the local maps) to the car. when the car is in home, the files would be syncked.20:15
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hugol1oil:  install n800 to the car?20:16
hugol1you mean fix it to the car?20:17
oilanyway. n800 could be an creat car-computer. it can play all the media. do the navigation (with bluetooth gps), record route, play fm-radio etc.20:17
oilhugol1: yes. that's an idea. wife said that it would be possible to make an console to fit the device.. with not too much of a cost.20:18
oiland it could use gprs/3g as backup connection while on road for chat and email.20:19
hugol1oil:  yep, I think I saw somewhere a linux distribution for the car, with hardware recomendations for a project like this20:28
hugol1that way you could have a bigger touchscreen20:29
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oilhugol1: what I have in mind is something very simple. just some srcripting on the device and on the serverside.20:29
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K`zanMorning all20:35
sciboyHmmm, solarwolf would be a nice game to port.20:37
sp3000oil: what sort of mediaserver20:37
* sp3000 watches random things die while upgrading to gutsy20:38
sp3000the panel just hiccuped :)20:38
oilsp3000: it's just an ubuntu laptop filled with audio and video. Can play out to the home steroes and tv. also works as upnp server. one idea is to make an script which will convert the videos to n800 suitable format.20:39
oilit's laptop so that it would not (hopefully) use so much energy as it's always on.20:40
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sp3000I'm contemplating some automation to run one of the encoder scripts and syncing some folders20:49
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oilrsync -rvk --delete /media/mmc2/music does the trick with links. then the next steps are to create an web page which will do the links  for wanted media.21:17
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oiland also how to wake up the process when the tablet is connected to home network21:17
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oilwhich mediaserver is preferred for videos? friend said that canola is best to support different encodings?21:19
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cesmanoil: mplayer21:21
_Monkeymplayer is a high-performance video player for the tablet OS:
oilthanks, I'll use that one21:22
lsobralthe new canola will use mplayer as the default player for videos21:22
oilone thing I'm missing is the tv-out on the device. then we could put movies  on n800 and display those on tv while traveling21:24
zoranand 4 wheels?21:24
oilnokia n95 has it already.21:25
gla55_tvout and 3d accel are probably missing for similar reasons(using the external lcd controller..)21:27
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hugol1whats wrong with
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rubiksi don't know21:39
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hugol12 hours ago was slow, but is getting unusable21:40
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keesj bug #2368 -> timeless isn't nice21:41
_MonkeyBug 2368 might be found at
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pupnikit's nice to see all the pics of the tablets, and the public showings and stuff22:06
pupnikbut i guess things like interviews with developers, or a bit of a show of the production facilities are ... secret?22:07
pupnikcould almost be a good subject for a short tv sketch22:07
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pupnikmore advertising, more sales, more developres...22:08
pupnikthe mantra :)22:08
sciboyI'm just glad 2008 was leaked so developers can still try stuff out on the n800.22:09
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* toresbe wves22:11
toresbeis the N810 version out for N800 yet?22:12
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bedboihi there22:15
_Monkeyniihau, bedboi22:15
bedboistupid monkeys22:15
bedboi_Monkey: a poisoned banana for you22:16
_Monkeybedboi: what?22:16
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jeff1fN810 unboxing on the front page of digg22:35
vegaiThis calls for invading America.22:36
pupnikjust sell your dollar reserves22:37
toresbeheh, yeah, you might be able to buy an ice cream22:37
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ThomasM should be fine for developing simple apps for a new N800, yes?22:58
pupnikthe maemo sdk is the full-power thing22:59
pupnikthe vmware image is convenient to save install time, and make portable environments23:00
ThomasMI'm on a Windows box for the nonce, and I'd have to do X forwarding or create a new VM for it, so this seems ideal.23:00
zerojaythe nonce?23:01
ThomasM"for the nonce" is the same as "at the moment"23:01
zerojayAh, and where does that come from? Where is that commonly used?23:01
ThomasM  Middle English, and generally in old books. :)23:02
ThomasMI don't know that I've ever heard it aloud except from English majors.23:02
ThomasMI think I've heard it in old TV shows and movies.23:03
ThomasMSide question: Why is so damned slow?23:05
bedboiyep, damn slow being precise23:05
pupnik~If you're happy and you know it, syntax error!~23:09
pupnikSyntax Error.23:09
pupnik~If you're happy and you know it, syntax error!!~23:09
pupnikSyntax Error.23:09
pupnik~If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it if you're happy and you know it, syntax error!~23:09
pupnikSyntax Error.23:09
zerojaySeg fault would have been better,23:09
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K`zanYes, it would :)23:22
K`zanMay give that skype 3 month freebie sub to a handicapped friend, gonna have to check them out - anyone here using Skype, if so how do you like it?23:23
zerojayI'd use Skype.23:23
zerojayExcept that they have no call-in numbers in Canada.23:23
gla55_i use skype mostly for im23:24
gla55_mostly because i know people who use it who aren't on irc..23:24
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K`zanShe can't use a reguar phone but can still deal with keyboard and to some degree mouse, so for her it might be nice.23:24
K`zanGrousy about proprietary and closed source, but...23:25
zerojayShe can't use a phone for physical reasons?23:25
K`zanVERY limited use of hands/arms23:25
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zerojayWouldn't it be the same thing on the tablet?23:26
K`zanShe hates wincrap, but the lack of handicapped stuff for linux I am afraid is going to push her into it :-(, else she is going to sit in a corner and watch tv all day and veg.23:26
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K`zanYes, it is, but I have kind of hacked her desktop system so she can use it in a limited way.23:27
K`zanvs not at all.23:27
K`zanTypes with her nose :-/.23:27
K`zanGetting SLOWLY better, but until it gets much better she deals with it as best she can, gotta give her credit for that.23:28
K`zanShe has found something that seems to be reversing her MS, but it is a slow process considering the medical profession (heh) damn near killed her before she found it.23:29
K`zanGreat spirit, I will have to give her that.23:29
K`zanRather isolated because of it, thus the idea on skype and DNS, but getting her to use wincrap is like pulling teeth :-).23:30
Hugol2 K`zan have u  thought about buying a voice recognition software?23:30
K`zanHugol2: Got DNS for her, but she has a serious adversion to wincrap.23:30
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cbx33hey peeps23:30
cbx33hey K`zan23:30
cbx33did ya get it working?23:30
K`zanSigh, no I think I screwed it up :-(.23:31
cbx33did you follow my tut?23:31
K`zanNot sure whether I can back up and start or whether I have to wipe / reinstall from deb4 on.23:31
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K`zanI started reading it, but it got a bit behind with the Thanksgiving Holiday.23:32
K`zanTHat I was totally stuffed like the turkey had a bit to do with screwing it up, I should have just gone to bed...23:32
cbx33it's nice and easy to start again iirc,23:32
K`zanHopefully you got some good rest.23:32
cbx33I'm all rested23:32
cbx33are we any closer for os2008 on the n80023:33
K`zanI think I was OK until I installed the nokia proprietary stuff into no target.23:33
K`zanAlso, I am not sure I have the "cpu transparaency" stuff and whether that is important or not.23:33
cbx33if you follow the tut it should work23:34
K`zanThinking I might be able to select a target and proceed from there, dunno.23:34
K`zanWould feel safer just deleting the vm and starting over with a fresh deb install.23:34
K`zanTHis time I snapshot it before installing the sdk, etc....23:34
K`zanAnd don't eat myself into a stupor :).23:35
cbx33why not try it on ubuntu?23:35
cbx33you could probably use ubuntu server, only a 400Mb iso23:35
K`zanWAY too many USB problems with ubuntu here.23:35
cbx33even in a vm?23:35
K`zanDunno how a vm would be effected.23:35
cbx33what problems exactly?23:36
K`zanAfter all the problems, I am leery of ubuntu23:36
cbx33oh dear23:36
cbx33mind if I ask what version/what was the problem23:36
cbx33we can take this to a pm, if people don't like the non-maemo chatting ;)23:36
K`zanDon't remember exactly now, but it just had all sorts of problems with usb.23:36
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K`zanWent to deb and didn't have the problems and decided to try out fedora and it doesn't either, so I just don't know.23:37
K`zanPrevious release of it, grungy badger or something like that :-).23:38
cbx33breezy badger?23:41
cbx33man not suprised23:41
cbx33that's oooolllllddd23:41
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K`zanIt was a while back now, 2 distros to be accurate :)23:44
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sp3000grudgy goat?23:53
* sp3000 just upgraded and it didn't fail halfway like the two previous times!23:53
sp3000it did break metacity's placement cascade though :(23:53
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K`zanLOL, I rather like numbers rather than clever names myself :)23:58
elbUbuntu has numbers23:58
K`zanThose too, but the names ARE easier to remember :-).23:58
K`zanIIRC 7.04, but it was a while back.23:59
elb7.04 was Feisty Fawn23:59
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