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| maddler | evening all... | 00:32 |
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| Tieku | evenning... | 00:33 |
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| K`zan | I removed rapsody using application manager, but it is still on the menu, how do I get rid of it from there? | 00:34 |
| K`zan | Also, fmradio doesn't have a menu entry, is there some way to make one for it? | 00:34 |
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| K`zan | Figured out fmradio :). | 00:48 |
| K`zan | Now to get rid of rapsody... | 00:48 |
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| K`zan | Squashed the little bugger... | 00:56 |
| K`zan | :-). | 00:56 |
| K`zan | Less sure would be nice to have... | 00:56 |
| * GNUton wants a n810! :/ | 00:57 | |
| kaltsi | less is in the sdk repository | 00:57 |
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| K`zan | kaltsi: Tried apt-get install less and it didn't work :-(. | 00:57 |
| kaltsi | what did it say? | 00:58 |
| K`zan | hold, lemme move the term over here. | 00:58 |
| K`zan | Nokia-N800-39:/# apt-get install less | 00:58 |
| K`zan | Reading package lists... Done | 00:58 |
| K`zan | Building dependency tree... Done | 00:58 |
| K`zan | elb: Couldn't find package less | 00:58 |
| kaltsi | do you have the sdk repository? | 00:59 |
| kaltsi | repository.maemo.org bora free non-free | 00:59 |
| K`zan | Probably missing the right repository, lets see if I can figure that one out :). | 00:59 |
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| kaltsi | (for os2007) | 00:59 |
| K`zan | Thank you Sir, just what I need! | 00:59 |
| kaltsi | for os2008 otherwise the same but chinook instead of bora | 00:59 |
| K`zan | still on 2007 here... | 00:59 |
| K`zan | Going to wipe the deb vm install and start all over to get the 2008 sdk installed. | 01:00 |
| K`zan | THis time I won't start it after Thanksgiving dinner :) | 01:00 |
| kaltsi | :) | 01:00 |
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| K`zan | Even got it entered in application manager correctly, I think, trying again. | 01:03 |
| kaltsi | hm? | 01:04 |
| kaltsi | you might want to install it from command line (xterm) with apt-get | 01:04 |
| K`zan | kaltsi: Yes, couldn't find it in the application manager, installed from cli with no problem. MUCH appreciated! | 01:05 |
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| kaltsi | no prob :) | 01:05 |
| K`zan | After being stuck with more for the first time in AGES, less is indeed more :-). | 01:06 |
| kaltsi | the app manager needs to be in 'red pill' mode to see it there, but I can't recommend that unless you want to see tons of sdk related packages there too | 01:06 |
| K`zan | kaltsi: Understand, I had red pill set, but changed back because of the quantity shown :). | 01:06 |
| K`zan | Need a button to set and reset it :). LOL. | 01:07 |
| K`zan | FOOD! | 01:07 |
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| GNUton | zZzZz :P | 02:06 |
| GNUton | wake up guys!!!! | 02:06 |
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| tsavola | .o/ | 02:09 |
| GNUton | tsavola: :) | 02:10 |
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| * pupnik rubs his hands hunched over. New developerzzes. Yess eexcellent. | 03:14 | |
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| pupnik | What's happening to the dollar? Here's the answer. http://www.shadowstats.com/cgi-bin/sgs/data | 04:12 |
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| captlloyd | yay, I gots my N810 | 04:19 |
| pupnik | nice! | 04:19 |
| pupnik | screen noticeably better? | 04:20 |
| captlloyd | There's no | on the keyboard | 04:20 |
| captlloyd | I've never used an N800 | 04:20 |
| captlloyd | So I can't say | 04:20 |
| pupnik | ok | 04:20 |
| captlloyd | I need to remap these symbols to things like ` and | | 04:20 |
| pupnik | yeah there should be multiple maps - one for the shell for e..g | 04:21 |
| pupnik | is the shell still busybox? | 04:21 |
| captlloyd | Yeah, i think it was | 04:21 |
| captlloyd | I can look in a minute | 04:21 |
| captlloyd | I'm looking for the download link for the OS2008 update they have out. I can't seem to find it | 04:21 |
| captlloyd | Also Maemo.org appears to be down | 04:21 |
| Thana64 | where exactly i need to request the n810 ? i don't found it on my profile section | 04:22 |
| pupnik | Thana64: not sure :/ | 04:22 |
| Thana64 | In order to apply go to your maemo profile (same login as the so-called Garage account) and make your request there. Please read carefully the instructions, terms and conditions. | 04:23 |
| Thana64 | i don't found anything | 04:23 |
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| Thana64 | seems finished :/ | 04:30 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 04:35 |
| pupnik | maemo.org not responding for me | 04:35 |
| Thana64 | seems down since some minutes, yes | 04:42 |
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| captlloyd | yeah | 04:54 |
| captlloyd | I wonder if they run that site on one of the tablets :) | 04:54 |
| pupnik | :+) | 04:55 |
| pupnik | my site could be hosted on a tablet. all static and under 500MB | 04:56 |
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| dasurfrdude | Hello, does anyone have a second to give me a little run down on the osso-xterm? | 05:56 |
| dasurfrdude | im not totally new at it, i just need a question or two answered | 05:56 |
| dasurfrdude | wow is everyone AFK? | 05:58 |
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| penguinbait | what questions? | 06:03 |
| dasurfrdude | well, i came across this game called the mana world or something of that fancy ona forum | 06:06 |
| dasurfrdude | andi thought i would try it out, but oyu have to install it via xterm | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | internettablettalk | 06:07 |
| _Monkey | internettablettalk is too dark | 06:07 |
| dasurfrdude | yes | 06:07 |
| dasurfrdude | lol | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | ok | 06:07 |
| dasurfrdude | well i couldnt get superuser or root to work | 06:07 |
| dasurfrdude | so i used ssh | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | ok | 06:07 |
| dasurfrdude | and logged in as root@localhost blah blah blah | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | so you were able to login as root over ssh | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | ok | 06:07 |
| penguinbait | im with you so far | 06:08 |
| dasurfrdude | i had all the deb's and lib's on mmc2 and ran them via dpkg -i package.deb | 06:08 |
| dasurfrdude | it did some business | 06:08 |
| dasurfrdude | and thats as far as i got | 06:08 |
| penguinbait | k | 06:08 |
| penguinbait | so did it install or give error? | 06:08 |
| dasurfrdude | how do i run it? | 06:08 |
| penguinbait | ah | 06:09 |
| dasurfrdude | i got no error | 06:09 |
| dasurfrdude | so i assume good install | 06:09 |
| penguinbait | I am not familiar with it | 06:09 |
| penguinbait | but | 06:09 |
| penguinbait | try type m and hit tab, this will tell you all the progs that start with m | 06:09 |
| dasurfrdude | hold on | 06:10 |
| dasurfrdude | lemme grab my nokia | 06:10 |
| pupnik | dasurfrdude: if you need any help lemme know | 06:10 |
| penguinbait | I am not sure how to start it, you need to type the prog name | 06:10 |
| penguinbait | pupnik jump in, I am not familiar with manaworld | 06:10 |
| pupnik | well i can start it but it can't connect on a 770 for some strange reason | 06:11 |
| penguinbait | just trying to help out | 06:11 |
| pupnik | i think you start with 'tmw' | 06:11 |
| dasurfrdude | ok im back | 06:12 |
| dasurfrdude | i have a n800 | 06:12 |
| dasurfrdude | with red pill enabled atm | 06:12 |
| penguinbait | pupnik says run twm | 06:12 |
| dasurfrdude | here, im going to start from scratch | 06:13 |
| penguinbait | sorry tmw | 06:13 |
| dasurfrdude | well how do i do that? | 06:13 |
| penguinbait | type in xterm and hit enter | 06:13 |
| dasurfrdude | well how do i do that? | 06:13 |
| dasurfrdude | oops | 06:13 |
| dasurfrdude | sorry | 06:13 |
| penguinbait | where is da surfer dude from? | 06:14 |
| dasurfrdude | texas | 06:14 |
| dasurfrdude | houston area | 06:14 |
| dasurfrdude | why? | 06:14 |
| penguinbait | what size waves down there? | 06:14 |
| penguinbait | just nosey :) | 06:14 |
| penguinbait | I am up in michigan | 06:15 |
| dasurfrdude | very very small | 06:15 |
| dasurfrdude | lol | 06:15 |
| dasurfrdude | i dont surf anymor | 06:15 |
| dasurfrdude | i wakeboard | 06:15 |
| penguinbait | need to head to honolulu | 06:15 |
| dasurfrdude | haha yeah right | 06:15 |
| dasurfrdude | i will die | 06:15 |
| dasurfrdude | ok im in xterm | 06:16 |
| penguinbait | I went there years ago, 14ft wave 10ft offshore | 06:16 |
| dasurfrdude | what would be something nice to type so xterm will run tmw? | 06:16 |
| penguinbait | tmw | 06:16 |
| penguinbait | enter | 06:16 |
| dasurfrdude | tmw now found :-/ | 06:17 |
| dasurfrdude | im going to re-install | 06:17 |
| penguinbait | pupnik? | 06:17 |
| penguinbait | maybethe name was wrong | 06:17 |
| pupnik | i have to check the package | 06:17 |
| dasurfrdude | would be a problem on my end or your end? | 06:17 |
| pupnik | i don't remumbur where tmw installs stuff | 06:18 |
| penguinbait | do you have it installed pupnik? | 06:18 |
| dasurfrdude | i spend a good hour using 'ls' and 'cd' | 06:18 |
| dasurfrdude | lol | 06:18 |
| pupnik | yeah it should be in /usr/bin/tmw | 06:18 |
| pupnik | checking pkg now | 06:18 |
| pupnik | argh | 06:19 |
| dasurfrdude | argh is bad | 06:19 |
| pupnik | are you in xterm? | 06:19 |
| dasurfrdude | yes | 06:19 |
| pupnik | as root? | 06:20 |
| dasurfrdude | but i just uninstalled tmw and data via ap manager | 06:20 |
| dasurfrdude | not yet | 06:20 |
| dasurfrdude | i can ssh real quick | 06:20 |
| pupnik | ok uhm well i need to repackage this but i can get you running in a jiffy | 06:21 |
| pupnik | reinstall the debs | 06:21 |
| dasurfrdude | ok | 06:21 |
| pupnik | then grab the config | 06:21 |
| dasurfrdude | hold on | 06:21 |
| pupnik | mkdir /home/user/.tmw | 06:21 |
| pupnik | download the config file and mv config.xml /home/user/.tmw | 06:21 |
| pupnik | then mv /usr/games/tmw /usr/bin/tmw | 06:22 |
| penguinbait | Man and people complain about installing KDE :) | 06:23 |
| penguinbait | where is pupnik located on the planet? | 06:24 |
| dasurfrdude | wait, i can put kde on my n800?! | 06:24 |
| cesman | yes | 06:24 |
| pupnik | germany. this is all just a plot to teach tablet users basic linux commands, penguinbait | 06:24 |
| dasurfrdude | well nevermind that | 06:24 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 06:24 |
| dasurfrdude | ok i have all debs and libs on mmc2/Tmw/ | 06:24 |
| penguinbait | get manaworld working first | 06:25 |
| dasurfrdude | dpkg -i them? | 06:25 |
| pupnik | ya | 06:25 |
| dasurfrdude | ok im in root | 06:25 |
| dasurfrdude | installing... | 06:25 |
| _Monkey | installing is pretty fast that way.. | 06:25 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget installing | 06:26 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot installing | 06:26 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: installing is <reply> | 06:26 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 06:26 |
| penguinbait | right turn Clyde! | 06:26 |
| pupnik | hope you've got enough space for it dasurfrdude | 06:26 |
| pupnik | eventually the game data should go to mmc, imo | 06:27 |
| pupnik | and lets hope nokia puts a /usr/local/share on internal mmc someday, or maybe gives us a bigger flash root filesystem | 06:27 |
| penguinbait | n810 has 2GB | 06:28 |
| dasurfrdude | unpacking | 06:28 |
| dasurfrdude | done | 06:28 |
| dasurfrdude | n810 sucks dick for 550 dollars | 06:28 |
| penguinbait | and there is a usr/local now, theres just nothing in it | 06:28 |
| dasurfrdude | sorry, i just got my n800 | 06:28 |
| dasurfrdude | i was mad to hear another came out | 06:28 |
| pupnik | the n800 is a really good deal though | 06:28 |
| penguinbait | I bought my n800 in January, and my 770 a year before that | 06:28 |
| dasurfrdude | ok so everything is unpacked and installed | 06:29 |
| pupnik | mv /usr/games/tmw /usr/bin/tmw | 06:29 |
| penguinbait | yeady for n810, wish it had bigger cpu and memory, but the builtin keyboard lends itself to kde nicely | 06:29 |
| dasurfrdude | ok | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | problem | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | no such dir | 06:30 |
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| pupnik | heh wtf | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | usr/games/tmw | 06:30 |
| gnuite | Has anyone used the new GPS APIs in OS2007? (libgpsbt, libgpsmgr, etc.) | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | oh | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | oops | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | i had to cd / | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | :D | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | done | 06:30 |
| dasurfrdude | now what? | 06:30 |
| penguinbait | GNUITE RULES!!! :) | 06:30 |
| penguinbait | and um, uh no | 06:31 |
| gnuite | Ahh, thanks, penguinbait. :) | 06:31 |
| pupnik | now tmw should start up, but eventually you'll want to put the config.xml into /home/user/.tmw, and edit that | 06:31 |
| gnuite | Any idea when we're getting those free N810s? :) | 06:31 |
| dasurfrdude | woohoo | 06:31 |
| gnuite | I guess not until December.... | 06:31 |
| penguinbait | I am still waiting to hear my coupon can be used :I | 06:31 |
| dasurfrdude | what would be the significance of putting the config.xml in there? | 06:32 |
| gnuite | Jussi told me we can get the freebie _and_ use the coupon. | 06:32 |
| pupnik | i think the game creates a config.xml for you - mine just has some examples for tweaks - fullscreen and stuff | 06:32 |
| penguinbait | really, | 06:32 |
| dasurfrdude | ok, and i can use mv? | 06:32 |
| penguinbait | how is the freebie obtained, I assumed the coupon was full discount | 06:32 |
| penguinbait | that would be nice | 06:33 |
| gnuite | Did you give Jussi your mailing address? | 06:33 |
| penguinbait | I dont know who Jussi is? | 06:33 |
| pupnik | dasurfrdude: i don't understand. iirc tmw will now start up in non-fullscreen mode, and you can then enter a user/pass with bluetooth keyboard, synergy, or with xkbd | 06:33 |
| dasurfrdude | how do i move the config file in xterm, with mv? | 06:34 |
| gnuite | Has someone contacted you about your free N810? | 06:34 |
| penguinbait | no | 06:34 |
| penguinbait | I got a coupon only | 06:34 |
| gnuite | Okay, well, I'm sure it will happen eventually. :) | 06:35 |
| penguinbait | Now I am worried :) | 06:35 |
| pupnik | yeah mv config.xml /home/user/.tmw | 06:35 |
| penguinbait | maybe I will send Quim a note | 06:35 |
| pupnik | how does one apply for the coupon? ($75?) | 06:35 |
| dasurfrdude | thank yo uvery uch pupnik | 06:35 |
| gnuite | Maybe that's a good idea. I doubt it's an issue, though, with the delay and everything... | 06:36 |
| penguinbait | Is mapper ready on n810? | 06:36 |
| gnuite | I don't have an N810 yet, so I have no idea. | 06:36 |
| gnuite | There is a patched version on ITT, but I haven't been able to try it. | 06:36 |
| [pablo] | penguinbait: there is a version that works, but I can't figure out how to get it to recognize the builtin gps | 06:37 |
| penguinbait | Also Gnuite, I wanted to ask, any thoughts to a laptop version or maemo-mapper | 06:37 |
| penguinbait | Maemo-Mapper is better than any other linux projust out there | 06:37 |
| gnuite | Focusing on 770/N800/N810 now. When I have free time (baaa hhahahaha), I'll make an arbitrary-sizeable desktop version. | 06:38 |
| penguinbait | It really would be welcome, theres nothing close to it | 06:38 |
| gnuite | Most of the 800x480 specifics are gone - just need to replace all the hildon_* stuff, which should be easier in Chinook, if I recall. | 06:38 |
| gnuite | GPSDrive is kinda close to it - just need a way to get the maps... | 06:39 |
| penguinbait | Outstanding application, best ever made for maemo, in my opinion | 06:39 |
| gnuite | [pablo]: Funny you should mention that, because I'm trying to fix that at the moment, but libgpsbt is not cooperating... | 06:39 |
| [pablo] | i messed around with maemo mapper for a bit and like it MUCH better than the builtin map program on the n810 | 06:40 |
| gnuite | [pablo]: Really? Damn, I was hoping to retire when everyone buys an N810. :) | 06:40 |
| [pablo] | lol | 06:40 |
| penguinbait | I used maemo-mapper cross country, alongside a laptop running microsoft mappoint with a garmin, and maemomapper was much more usefull | 06:41 |
| [pablo] | maemo mapper is much more responsive than the built-in maps program too | 06:41 |
| penguinbait | what do yoo do in real life gnuite? | 06:41 |
| gnuite | All: Don't listen to penguinbait, Maemo Mapper isn't half as awesome as he implies. I think he's my biggest fan; he'd sacrifice his children for Maemo Mapper, if he could. ;) | 06:42 |
| gnuite | I'm a professional software engineer. | 06:43 |
| penguinbait | freelance, or for a large corporate entity? | 06:43 |
| gnuite | Medium-sized defense contracting company. | 06:44 |
| penguinbait | Sorry, I mentioned earlierI was nosey, feel free to tell be to bugger off | 06:44 |
| gnuite | Nosey, yes, but you haven't crossed the line quite yet.... :) | 06:45 |
| penguinbait | I am picturing you writing software to fly those little airplane drones aroung the planet | 06:45 |
| penguinbait | s/aroung/around | 06:46 |
| pupnik | lets get color weather radar into mapper :P | 06:46 |
| penguinbait | ooh ooh ooh | 06:47 |
| penguinbait | :) | 06:47 |
| gnuite | Got a repository we can use? :) | 06:47 |
| pupnik | someone made a webpage for nokias / 800x480 with weather feeds by region | 06:48 |
| pupnik | forgot the url tho | 06:48 |
| captlloyd | I'm trying to install UKMP, and I need libgdbm3, and another library, I've been googling, and I can't find the repo or package I need to install first... | 06:48 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 06:48 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 06:48 |
| doc|home | I'd like to be able to download/sync the maps for a region :/ | 06:48 |
| gnuite | gps? | 06:48 |
| _Monkey | somebody said gps was nice, though | 06:48 |
| gnuite | libgps? | 06:48 |
| gnuite | libgpsmgr? | 06:48 |
| gnuite | libgpsbt? | 06:48 |
| doc|home | finding wireless isn't always easy when you're wandering about | 06:48 |
| captlloyd | Thanks | 06:49 |
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| gnuite | Does anyone know if libgpsbt is supposed to work at all with OS2007? | 06:53 |
| gnuite | Because if it is, I'm at a loss as to how. I somehow had it working 25-50% before, but now gpsbt_start is returning "Invalid argument" all the time, even with gps_saver.... | 06:54 |
| [pablo] | man, I don't know how I missed the first two generations of these tablets | 06:57 |
| [pablo] | i absolutely love this thing | 06:57 |
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| captlloyd | Anyone use NFS on their tablet? | 07:13 |
| captlloyd | I try to mount but my server is telling me "illegal port 49169", I've not encountered this when using NFS from my other computers | 07:13 |
| pupnik_ | did you have to flash with a new kernel? | 07:14 |
| pupnik_ | or is nfs built-in to the n810? | 07:14 |
| captlloyd | I flashed the newest image earlier tonight, don't know if it came with that | 07:14 |
| pupnik_ | mk | 07:16 |
| captlloyd | It seems to be in there, but doesn't want to work :) | 07:16 |
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| [pablo] | captlloyd: there is an option to allow use of higher end ports, can't remember exactly what it is | 07:17 |
| [pablo] | gimme a sec | 07:17 |
| pupnik_ | nfsd takes a -p param, for port num, but i thought that was negotiated | 07:18 |
| [pablo] | captlloyd: in your exports file, on the share you are trying to use add the option 'insecure' without quotes | 07:18 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 07:18 |
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| [pablo] | and let me know if that works because nfs mount on an 810 would be sweeeet | 07:19 |
| captlloyd | k | 07:20 |
| doc|home | [pablo]: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ | 07:21 |
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| [pablo] | doc|home: nice, thank you =) | 07:22 |
| doc|home | np :) | 07:22 |
| captlloyd | I think that worked, 1 sec | 07:24 |
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| captlloyd | when I did insecure my server liked that. But now I am getting "bindresvport: Permission denied" | 07:27 |
| captlloyd | I think I need to be root? | 07:27 |
| captlloyd | dunno how to do that | 07:28 |
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| pupnik_ | to run nfs server you must be root | 07:28 |
| captlloyd | I just want to be a client | 07:28 |
| pupnik_ | oh on the tablet | 07:29 |
| captlloyd | yeah | 07:29 |
| captlloyd | that's what I get on the tablet | 07:29 |
| captlloyd | server says that it authenticated my mount request now, but I get that error on the tablet | 07:29 |
| captlloyd | Is there a way to get root on os2008? | 07:30 |
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| pupnik_ | yeah standard becomeroot procedure | 07:30 |
| pupnik_ | ssh to the device for e.g. | 07:30 |
| pupnik_ | then you can set up a suid script to do the mount | 07:30 |
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| captlloyd | I can't figure out how to ssh in | 07:45 |
| [pablo] | can I not use the openSSH server in os2008 to setup root access? Must I use dropbear? | 07:45 |
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| pupnik_ | openssh? | 07:53 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 07:53 |
| pupnik_ | ssh? | 07:53 |
| _Monkey | somebody said ssh was a 'secure shell' client/server. It lets you get access to the linux shell on a Tablet. See http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ | 07:53 |
| pupnik_ | bleh | 07:53 |
| [pablo] | yeah, openssh is just a seperate implementation of the ssh client/server | 07:56 |
| [pablo] | standard on *nix machines | 07:56 |
| [pablo] | dropbear appears to be the same but compiled for embeded use | 07:56 |
| [pablo] | ie really small | 07:56 |
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| pupnik_ | yes dropbear is smaller - it can't handle some features (blowfish compression iirc) | 09:12 |
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| K`zan | Night all! | 09:16 |
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| [pablo] | pupnik_: but I can use either one to get root access correct? there is nothing special about dropbear right? | 09:34 |
| pupnik_ | right | 09:34 |
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| [pablo] | the wiki says to install dropbear and uninstall openssh if it has been installed | 09:34 |
| pupnik_ | grglh. that seems strange, no? | 09:34 |
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| [pablo] | it does | 09:34 |
| [pablo] | why i asked =) | 09:34 |
| pupnik_ | so ssh root@the.tablet.ip.addr no workee? | 09:35 |
| pupnik_ | anyway one thing to remember is on os2006 and 2007 at least, 'su' doesn't work, instead use 'sudo gainroot' | 09:36 |
| pupnik_ | becomeroot? | 09:36 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 09:36 |
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| pupnik_ | ssh root@the.tablet.ip.addr doesn't work [pablo]_ ? | 09:37 |
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| lopz | bye | 09:52 |
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| [pablo] | pupnik_: i tried sshing to root@localhost from the tablet, it connected okay but the rootme password didn't work | 10:06 |
| [pablo] | did it change with os2008? | 10:06 |
| pupnik_ | hrm | 10:07 |
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| pupnik_ | don't rmemenbr | 10:08 |
| [pablo] | i haven't found anything about it | 10:08 |
| [pablo] | i did just flash to the new version today though, might have changed there | 10:08 |
| swetland | anyone know if the pads next to the battery on N800 have an exposed 3.3v serial port like the N770? | 10:09 |
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| pupnik_ | hi unique311 | 10:32 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.voipbuster.com/en/index.html this seems to allow some free calls per week to USA - what sip client would i use on n770 for it? | 10:46 |
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| truls | anyone else having a problem with svn-buildpackage being broken inside scratchbox? | 10:59 |
| truls | Can't load '/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/SVN/_Core/_Core.so' for module SVN::_Core: /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/libsvn_ra_dav-1.so.0: undefined symbol: RAND_status at /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm line 230. | 10:59 |
| truls | at /scratchbox/devkis/maemo3-tools/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-mullti/SVN/Base.pm line 59 | 10:59 |
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| pupnik_ | what is that for? how is svn_buildpackage different from ./configure && make, or dpkg-buildpackage? | 11:06 |
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| unique311 | whats up pupnik. | 11:20 |
| unique311 | would give voipbuster a try..but my doesn't have a working OS on it. | 11:21 |
| unique311 | think it still has poky on it. waiting for 2008 before i relash | 11:21 |
| unique311 | lol | 11:21 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 11:22 |
| pupnik_ | well gizmo seems to be a pain - i wouldn't call people enough with it | 11:23 |
| pupnik_ | so i'll probably activate sip through my telco | 11:23 |
| pupnik_ | and that voipbuster needs a windows program to verify a registration - doesn't seem to work on my box (wine) | 11:23 |
| unique311 | i setup an account a while back with freecalls and another free(something) | 11:25 |
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| unique311 | to my amazement it was still working last time i checked on my IT | 11:25 |
| unique311 | but only use it when i had to. | 11:25 |
| pupnik_ | mmh .. bbl | 11:29 |
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| unique311 | os2008 update....am i late | 11:50 |
| unique311 | for the n810 | 11:50 |
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| unique311 | is this the brick your n800 update? | 11:52 |
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| [pablo] | haven't tried it on an 800 | 11:53 |
| unique311 | tempted...but i think i needs to wait | 11:53 |
| unique311 | don't ever want to be first. | 11:53 |
| unique311 | but nokia is not like apple....don't think we have to worry about nokia bricking devices becuase user are impatient. | 11:54 |
| vegai | really? | 11:54 |
| [pablo] | heh | 11:55 |
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| [pablo] | yeah, i haven't noticed anythign user impacting | 11:57 |
| [pablo] | gps still blows heh | 11:57 |
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| unique311 | you installed yet? | 11:59 |
| unique311 | [pablo], ?? | 12:00 |
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| [pablo] | yeah, on an n810 though | 12:00 |
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| pupnik_ | anybody happen to be on gizmo atm? | 12:03 |
| pupnik_ | to do a quick test? | 12:03 |
| [pablo] | i can be | 12:04 |
| pupnik_ | curious about the feedback supression and quality without headphones | 12:04 |
| pupnik_ | my nick is pupnik - feel free to ring up | 12:04 |
| pupnik_ | 'all calls free status says 'inactive here | 12:06 |
| [pablo] | calling | 12:07 |
| pupnik_ | that worked well | 12:08 |
| [pablo] | better than I had expected | 12:09 |
| [pablo] | my internet connection here at work is nuts though, so that might have had something to do with it | 12:09 |
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| [pablo] | i get like 15 down on a speedtest from the wired network, haven't tried it on the wireless yet | 12:09 |
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| [pablo] | woah, i didn't know the firefox browser in os2008 was firefox 3 | 12:18 |
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| [pablo] | that's slick =) | 12:18 |
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| pupnik_ | hows the dpad working for you [pablo] ? | 12:29 |
| [pablo] | i have to use the very tip of my thumb/finger to press a direction, which i'm not used to, but it works great when I remember to do that | 12:31 |
| [pablo] | otherwise I fat finger it =/ | 12:31 |
| pupnik_ | grr | 12:31 |
| pupnik_ | what i feared | 12:31 |
| [pablo] | yeah, luckily, i rarely use it | 12:32 |
| pupnik_ | going to be pretty useless for games | 12:32 |
| [pablo] | i have not been in a position where I had to either | 12:32 |
| pupnik_ | maybe i'll add keys asdwx as alternate dpad | 12:32 |
| [pablo] | yeah as far as gaming goes it's pretty useless as a dpad | 12:32 |
| [pablo] | needs a clip on jostick heh | 12:33 |
| [pablo] | clips right on top of the dpad and presses the buttons for you | 12:33 |
| pupnik_ | there are super cheap bluetooth joypads for pdas. If someone could manufacture one that could clip onto the tablets, that might be interesting | 12:34 |
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| [pablo] | it could work just like the car mount that comes with it | 12:34 |
| [pablo] | with controls on either side | 12:35 |
| pupnik_ | hmm. if it's true that about 300,000 n800s were sold, you might be able to sell 5-10,000 units | 12:35 |
| GNUton | 'morning! | 12:35 |
| [pablo] | g'morning | 12:35 |
| pupnik_ | servus | 12:35 |
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| GNUton | [pablo]: :) | 12:35 |
| [pablo] | or g'mo'nin' ... because it's never to early for an overabundance of apostraphes | 12:36 |
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| guerby | hi, anyone with a N810 around? | 12:52 |
| guerby | if so does the FR PDF manual (that should be somewhere on OS2008) show a picture/drawing of the FR keyboard? | 12:53 |
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| czr | guerby, let me check | 12:53 |
| guerby | czr, thx! | 12:53 |
| guerby | if it's there that would be great to post the image somewhere for other kbd than EN :) | 12:56 |
| czr | no image | 12:57 |
| czr | not a lot of images anyway | 12:57 |
| czr | but no image of keyboard either, or layout for that matter | 12:57 |
| guerby | czr, thanks again for checking | 12:57 |
| czr | np | 12:58 |
| guerby | I couldn't find any image on the web / mailing list / forum | 12:58 |
| guerby | may be none has been produced yet :) | 12:58 |
| czr | maybe it's Valuable Intellectual Property(tm) | 12:58 |
| guerby | czr, probably not copyrightable :) | 12:58 |
| czr | ianal, but I'd guess they can copyright everything :-) | 12:59 |
| guerby | czr yeah... I'm thinking about buying it in the US even if I pay VAT it's still only 320 euros | 13:00 |
| guerby | thanks to USD/EUR | 13:00 |
| czr | yeah. I'm kind of thinking getting a macmini from US when I go there | 13:01 |
| czr | it's still not dirt cheap but apple still insists on using 1 USD = 1 EUR in pricing. | 13:02 |
| [pablo] | czr: i can take a screenshot of the french keyboard I think | 13:06 |
| [pablo] | one second | 13:06 |
| czr | [pablo], it was guerby that was interested, I'm sure he'll appreciate it | 13:06 |
| guerby | [pablo], yes I'm interested! | 13:07 |
| [pablo] | http://flickr.com/photos/bobb/2058770879/ | 13:10 |
| ryoohki | anyone working on linux for the e90? or even somehting like cygwoin? | 13:11 |
| guerby | [pablo], I was thinking of the hardware kbd :) | 13:11 |
| guerby | [pablo], thx anyway :) | 13:11 |
| [pablo] | ohhh | 13:11 |
| ryoohki | anyone working on linux for e90 or somrthing like cygwin | 13:11 |
| [pablo] | i don't think they have a french version out yet | 13:12 |
| czr | ryoohki, no | 13:12 |
| guerby | [pablo], yep it's not for sale for sure | 13:12 |
| [pablo] | i would imagine it would be physically the same, key for key, with the layout in the screensho | 13:13 |
| [pablo] | t | 13:13 |
| [pablo] | minus the numpad of course | 13:14 |
| ryoohki | 13:14 | |
| guerby | [pablo], yes there are not that many possibilities :) | 13:14 |
| guerby | I checked and cheapest EU/USA roundtrip flight I could find are about 350 EUR | 13:15 |
| [pablo] | actually, there are more keys on the soft keyboard than the hardware one | 13:15 |
| ryoohki | yeah, but can it do flashblock? | 13:15 |
| guerby | if you dump the box and take them with you, two N810 pay the flight ... about ridiculous | 13:15 |
| czr | 350 EUR is so unfair. takes minimum of 750 EUR from here | 13:16 |
| * czr cries | 13:16 | |
| [pablo] | the soft keyboard has 11, 12, and 11 in each row from top to bottom, hardware keyboard only has 10 in each | 13:16 |
| guerby | czr, I looked from Frankfurt to NY | 13:16 |
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| ryoohki | yeah, but can it do flashblock? | 13:16 |
| czr | guerby, I looked from Helsinki to Atlanta :-) | 13:16 |
| czr | although NY could be cheaper in some cases | 13:16 |
| guerby | czr, well :) | 13:16 |
| czr | but it's the .fi bonus | 13:16 |
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| czr | everything costs more here. and it's further away (geopolitically speaking) | 13:17 |
| guerby | czr, so you have a nice GDP :) | 13:18 |
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| czr | guerby, /me shrugs. somehow it doesn't translate to purchasing power :-) | 13:19 |
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| guerby | czr, yeah random PPP factors :) | 13:19 |
| czr | yeah, broken LCP setup | 13:19 |
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| pupnik | this is a good time to quit smoking. since i'm going crazy anyway.. | 13:20 |
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| guerby | czr, interestingly flights prices do respect FX perfectly | 13:31 |
| czr | guerby, FX? | 13:31 |
| czr | ah yes | 13:31 |
| guerby | czr, sorry currency exchange rate | 13:32 |
| czr | yeah, I got it :-) | 13:32 |
| czr | thought about "Flaming Xenophobe" for a while, and decided it didn't compute. | 13:33 |
| [pablo] | lol | 13:33 |
| czr | although the F could also mean "Furry" | 13:33 |
| * czr hmms | 13:33 | |
| [pablo] | don't furry and flaming go hand in hand? | 13:34 |
| guerby | Foreign eXchange | 13:34 |
| czr | [pablo], no? esp if fur catches fire easily :-) | 13:34 |
| [pablo] | exactly =) | 13:34 |
| czr | heh. right :-) | 13:35 |
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| czr | hmm. maemo.org slow today? | 13:49 |
| czr | also, seems that my bugzilla info is not linked to my maemo profile somehow (weird). this leads to karma from bugs being 0. any ideas? | 13:49 |
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| czr | hmm. who is the maintainer for maemo bugs? | 14:10 |
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| czr | nm | 14:14 |
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| alterego | People seem to be getting very frustrated about the delay with the N810 | 14:19 |
| alterego | I can understand it if they're paying full price. | 14:20 |
| alterego | But for those fortunate 500, if nokia paid us as much as we're saving to wait? Do you think people would still complain ^_^ | 14:20 |
| czr | I think there was a similar delay with N800 as well | 14:20 |
| czr | people will always complain :-) | 14:20 |
| alterego | Yeah, I wasn't around then :) | 14:20 |
| czr | and hello to you too, alterego | 14:20 |
| tsavola | no there wasn't | 14:20 |
| alterego | Good afternoon czr :) | 14:20 |
| czr | tsavola, there wasn't? weird. there should've been | 14:21 |
| tsavola | not this long afair | 14:21 |
| * czr nods | 14:21 | |
| alterego | I remember hearing something about problems with the discount codes. | 14:21 |
| czr | ah. nokia-online problem then | 14:21 |
| czr | figures :-) | 14:21 |
| alterego | Well, with respect to the delay. I was expecting it by yesterday. | 14:21 |
| czr | 30th is a friday as well btw | 14:22 |
| alterego | So in my mind the delay is only just begininning :P | 14:22 |
| alterego | (30th != mid november) :) | 14:22 |
| * czr adds more delay into alterego's brain | 14:22 | |
| czr | ah, someone said mid november? | 14:22 |
| czr | I haven't really followed the stuff, since I didn't apply for the dev program anyway | 14:22 |
| alterego | Yes, that was from the official announcement in October. | 14:22 |
| * czr nods | 14:22 | |
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| czr | hmm. tsavola, how do I add multi-arch sources to sources.list? | 14:23 |
| alterego | I might just auction off my discount code ^_^ | 14:23 |
| tsavola | czr: no idea | 14:23 |
| czr | but you must know! | 14:23 |
| alterego | Well .. That's not likely. After watching those videos on ITT | 14:23 |
| tsavola | czr: no | 14:24 |
| alterego | Dispite reggie's monotone and rather slow speech. The N810 _looks_ real sweet :) | 14:24 |
| czr | tsavola, but you could. in theory | 14:24 |
| tsavola | czr: absolutely not | 14:24 |
| czr | hmm. I can't really convince you on this one? | 14:25 |
| alterego | Are you talking about packages ending in "_all.deb" ? | 14:25 |
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| [pablo] | i got mine mid-november | 14:27 |
| czr | alterego, no | 14:27 |
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| [pablo] | they just didn't have enough at release time heh | 14:27 |
| czr | alterego, I'm mirroring repos.maemo.org | 14:27 |
| alterego | Ah | 14:27 |
| czr | alterego, trying to figure out how to mirror armel stuff as well | 14:27 |
| alterego | Could you mirror downloads.maemo.org? | 14:27 |
| alterego | :P | 14:28 |
| czr | in theory | 14:28 |
| alterego | You should just host it O_O | 14:28 |
| czr | why would I bother? :-) | 14:28 |
| alterego | :) | 14:28 |
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| alterego | I'm bored .. | 14:28 |
| alterego | I'm lacking motivation to do anything right now :/ | 14:28 |
| czr | argh. the arm-side of the repos is broken | 14:29 |
| czr | suspected as much | 14:29 |
| pupnik | [pablo]: you happy with the speaker quality on the 810? | 14:29 |
| [pablo] | i am, but i never had an n800, thoguhtfix tells me it's not as good, but it's still really good for a device that size | 14:30 |
| alterego | It seemed pretty loud on the ITT video | 14:30 |
| pupnik | i love electrostatics | 14:30 |
| pupnik | no comparison to a tiny magnet and cone | 14:31 |
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| czr | haha | 14:32 |
| czr | it wasn't a bug in the repo. at least not yet. | 14:32 |
| alterego | The N810 shows up on the europe.nokia.com products page. | 14:33 |
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| alterego | Is that false advertising? :D | 14:33 |
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| czr | the speaker is pretty loud indeed. | 14:33 |
| czr | "lacks bass though" | 14:33 |
| alterego | Yeah, they should install a sub woofer .. | 14:34 |
| czr | even a regular woofer would do | 14:34 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:34 |
| alterego | I don't think you can get 10mm woofers. | 14:34 |
| czr | "I pressed 'play' and this damn thing started barking on me, just "woof woof woof" all the time" | 14:34 |
| alterego | woooof | 14:35 |
| czr | 155.3 MiB will be downloaded into archive. | 14:35 |
| czr | Downloading 576 archive files using 20 threads... | 14:35 |
| czr | whee | 14:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:36 |
| * alterego yawns .. | 14:36 | |
| alterego | What to do .. | 14:36 |
| czr | hmm. you could document how to replace the broken qemu with a working one | 14:37 |
| czr | per target | 14:37 |
| czr | that'd be nice | 14:37 |
| alterego | Why would you do it per target? | 14:37 |
| czr | no need to break things that work already (3.2) | 14:37 |
| alterego | Right | 14:38 |
| czr | call me a pessimist if you will :-) | 14:38 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. I could set up a ruby-maemo repository. | 14:40 |
| * alterego does that. | 14:40 | |
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| czr | hmm. there's a weird inconsistency in the repositories | 14:41 |
| alterego | ?? | 14:41 |
| czr | dists/chinook, but pool/maemo4.0 | 14:41 |
| czr | alterego, in the official repos | 14:41 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 14:41 |
| czr | I think I'm the first person ever to attempt mirroring that | 14:41 |
| czr | so I'm running against all kinds of weird foo | 14:41 |
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| alterego | Know any good resources on setup/managing a debian repo? | 14:42 |
| czr | not really. google ought to know though | 14:42 |
| czr | hmm. seems that maemo4.0 should be the proper name for the repo, not chinook | 14:42 |
| czr | tis fucked me say. | 14:42 |
| alterego | Google doesn't know whether somethings good or not :P Just whether it's popular. | 14:43 |
| czr | cause the default sources.list uses 'chinook', not maemo4.0 | 14:43 |
| czr | only whether it's linked to or not :-) | 14:43 |
| czr | you might ask on #debian though | 14:43 |
| czr | "Description: Debian Nokia repository" | 14:43 |
| alterego | I'll read the one on the debian site. | 14:43 |
| czr | I wonder what that means :-) | 14:43 |
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| alterego | In fact, setting up a debian repository is a good idea. | 14:48 |
| alterego | If I can automate the building of rubygems into debs I'll be happy :) | 14:48 |
| czr | bug 2374 :-) | 14:50 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2374 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2374 | 14:50 |
| * czr is feeling powerful today | 14:50 | |
| czr | alterego, you might want to write a small wikidoc on it? | 14:50 |
| czr | I think there are already some docs on this, probably quite vague ones, but still | 14:50 |
| alterego | On what? | 14:51 |
| czr | on setting up custom repos wrt maemo stuff | 14:51 |
| alterego | Yeah, that might be a good idea. | 14:51 |
| alterego | I'll think about it :P | 14:52 |
| czr | lazyass :-) | 14:52 |
| alterego | I was under the impression that setting up repositories was frowned upon. | 14:52 |
| czr | why is it that people always complain about stuff, but never are willing to fix stuff :-) | 14:52 |
| alterego | We're all supposed to adhere to extras/extras-devel | 14:52 |
| czr | extras/extras-devel is under construction methinks | 14:52 |
| czr | or at least very dependent on the issues with maemo.org | 14:53 |
| alterego | But after not having a reply on the mailing list and continuous unsuccessful attempts at uploading to extras-devel I've given up on that .. | 14:53 |
| * czr nods | 14:53 | |
| czr | hmm. should I attempt at building my pedagodriver for N810? | 14:53 |
| * czr ponders | 14:53 | |
| alterego | Label: YourCompany Debian repository | 14:54 |
| czr | but it's not a Debian repository, is it.. | 14:54 |
| alterego | Hmm .. | 14:54 |
| alterego | No I guess not. | 14:54 |
| czr | has nothing to do with Debian per se. | 14:54 |
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| alterego | Well, if Ubuntu doesn't use Debian then maemo shouldn't either ;) | 14:55 |
| alterego | Whether Ubuntu do or not I don't know .. | 14:55 |
| czr | let me see | 14:55 |
| czr | "Description: Ubuntu Feisty 7.04" | 14:56 |
| czr | for feisty/Release | 14:56 |
| alterego | Right | 14:56 |
| czr | alterego, http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/Release | 14:56 |
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| czr | alterego, I appended that bug | 14:58 |
| czr | good catch. providing with a real example was a good idea | 14:58 |
| czr | uh. out of 60 last bugs, 15 are mine. | 15:00 |
| * czr should get his coat | 15:00 | |
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| alterego | Grrrr. | 15:01 |
| alterego | Should I stick everything under extras in my repo? | 15:04 |
| czr | I think you should think about the subrepo name | 15:05 |
| alterego | free non-free I guess .. | 15:05 |
| czr | neh | 15:05 |
| alterego | subrepo name? | 15:06 |
| czr | yeah, the "free non-free extras"-bit | 15:06 |
| alterego | Yes, my question :P | 15:06 |
| czr | you're free to decide what names you use there. those are debian-conventions | 15:06 |
| czr | ubuntu uses different ones for example | 15:06 |
| alterego | common maemo usage shows 'user' 'free non-free' | 15:06 |
| czr | why do you think that common maemo usage is correct? :-) | 15:07 |
| czr | is all of your code released under a free open source license? | 15:07 |
| czr | if yes, then use just 'free' | 15:07 |
| alterego | Consistency is more important than being "correct" ;) | 15:07 |
| czr | imho not. especially since the env is changing all the time | 15:07 |
| czr | but that was just my imho :-) you're free to ignore it of course | 15:08 |
| alterego | :) | 15:08 |
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| alterego | Don't mind me whilst my computer continually kills itself .. | 15:11 |
| barisione | I'm going to ask a stupid question, sorry but I'm playing with maemo for the first time :) | 15:14 |
| barisione | I followed the instructions on maemo.org and now I have maemo running but with no apps (except for maemopad and hello world) | 15:14 |
| barisione | if I start the app manager I get "Operation failed" | 15:14 |
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| alterego | Am I right in thinking that the source directory is optional? I only need the binary dirs right? | 15:17 |
| czr | barisione, that is a bug in Am | 15:18 |
| czr | barisione, also, the environment is meant for software development. it is not a device emulator. hence, there are no applications. | 15:18 |
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| czr | barisione, see bug 2312 | 15:19 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2312 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2312 | 15:19 |
| czr | but I doubt you really want to use Application manager for anything | 15:19 |
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| czr | the software catalog and download feature won't work with it, even if you apply the hack for 2312. | 15:19 |
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| czr | barisione, you should use 'dpkg -i ' instead, or 'apt-get'. | 15:20 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone with their tablet handy able to download http://bleb.org/software/maemo/te201-best.avi (12MB) and tell me how well it plays in Media Player and/or mplayer on OS2007/2008? | 15:21 |
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| * Jaffa has reduced the number of presets, bumped up the quality and added a sharpness filter to the output in tablet-encode v2.01 | 15:22 | |
| czr | Jaffa, sure | 15:22 |
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| czr | damn. this is pretty good jaffa | 15:24 |
| czr | some problems with fast pans, but that's just to be expected. | 15:24 |
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| Jaffa | Stuttering or just the normal tearing? | 15:25 |
| czr | slow scenes are just perfect | 15:25 |
| czr | normal tearing I'd say | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | czr: that's the new "best" preset, 800kbps video, 192kbps audio | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | Cool. | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | czr: OS2007 or 8? | 15:25 |
| czr | OS2008 | 15:25 |
| _Monkey | well, OS2008 is really fast | 15:25 |
| czr | N810 | 15:25 |
| barisione | czr: thanks | 15:25 |
| barisione | I know that it' for sw development but I would work on the telepathy-related sutff already in maemo. | 15:25 |
| barisione | I will just use apt-get | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | czr: cool, thanks | 15:26 |
| czr | you want me to test on 2008/N800 jaffa? | 15:26 |
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| Jaffa | czr: Nah, I'd expect it to be identical. | 15:26 |
| barisione | what packages do I need for IM? | 15:26 |
| czr | Jaffa, ok. | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | czr: And you were using the normal Media Player or mplayer? | 15:26 |
| czr | Jaffa, normal | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | cool | 15:26 |
| czr | Jaffa, I don't have anything extra installed on N810 | 15:26 |
| * alterego tests out his new spangly repository. | 15:26 | |
| czr | just put the url into the browser, clicked "open" and media player started | 15:27 |
| * Jaffa is going to add auto DVD-language selection and VDR-language selection based on $LANG. | 15:27 | |
| Jaffa | czr: cool | 15:27 |
| czr | also reminded me to lower down the volume at some point ;-) | 15:27 |
| czr | the max vol on N810 is really loud | 15:27 |
| czr | Jaffa, what did you use as source for that? | 15:28 |
| czr | barisione, depends on what IM you mean | 15:28 |
| czr | barisione, apt-cache search instant ? | 15:28 |
| czr | or whatever you like. some stuff is in the extras repo, for other stuff (most interesting ones) you'll need to modify your sources.list | 15:29 |
| alterego | Woo .. It werkz! | 15:29 |
| czr | alterego, wiki chop chop. or something else :-) | 15:30 |
| alterego | It might be working, but it doesn't mean it's finished :P | 15:30 |
| alterego | I've only done it for chinook armel | 15:31 |
| alterego | I've still got bora and i386 to do. | 15:31 |
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| Jaffa | czr: DVD. Coupling, series 3, episode 1 | 15:34 |
| czr | Jaffa, ah, cool. Pretty decent quality for DVD. xvid? | 15:35 |
| czr | (output I mean) | 15:35 |
| czr | the picture was somewhat smooth, but not embarassingly so. and certainly suprised me with the quality. | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | czr: mencoder through tablet-encode. Xvid/MP3 audio. 800kbps/192kbps bitrates, native framerate. | 15:36 |
| * DRoBeR is back ^_^ | 15:36 | |
| czr | Jaffa, native as in source framerate? | 15:37 |
| alterego | This is a bit of a hack job anyway .. | 15:37 |
| czr | alterego, not as much of a hack job as this one though: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2351 | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | czr: yeah | 15:38 |
| * czr nods to jaffa | 15:38 | |
| Jaffa | 25fps for a PAL DVD | 15:38 |
| czr | Jaffa, any idea on how long the battery will last with that quality setting? | 15:38 |
| alterego | czr, http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/dists | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | czr: No idea at all. | 15:38 |
| czr | does your pipeline do de-interlacing as well? | 15:38 |
| alterego | That's my repository. | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | czr: Hmm, good question | 15:39 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 15:39 |
| czr | Jaffa, I'd imagine one would get better quality with de-interlaced content, since the TFT won't support interlacing anyway | 15:39 |
| czr | alterego, hmm. it seems wrong somehow | 15:39 |
| alterego | My pretty icon doesn't appear :/ | 15:39 |
| alterego | czr, how so? | 15:40 |
| czr | alterego, also, you only have dists. not dists and pool like normally one would expect | 15:40 |
| alterego | Yeah, I know. | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | czr: indeed. | 15:40 |
| alterego | It's a very simple repository :) | 15:41 |
| czr | hmm. is it normal to have a binary package without the Source: tag defined in control? | 15:44 |
| czr | or not control, but dpkg --info for example | 15:44 |
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| alterego | Well, I made a pool dir :P | 15:50 |
| czr | good for you :-) | 15:50 |
| czr | I'm trying to decide whether to write a repo-verification tool or not | 15:51 |
| czr | damn if I will open a separate bug for each package. | 15:51 |
| alterego | I need to figure out how to copy acros the maemo icon field :/ | 15:51 |
| czr | it's in the control file | 15:52 |
| alterego | Yes, but it's not getting copied to Packages.gz | 15:52 |
| czr | hmm | 15:53 |
| czr | what was the icon field name? | 15:53 |
| alterego | XB-Maemo something 26 | 15:53 |
| czr | hmm. interesting | 15:54 |
| czr | there is Maemo-Icon-26 in one package, let me scan for more | 15:54 |
| czr | (note the lack of XB-) | 15:54 |
| czr | actually I think that's a bug | 15:54 |
| czr | heh. | 15:54 |
| alterego | XB is the tag to say that it's not a standard debian bug. | 15:54 |
| czr | I know | 15:55 |
| alterego | s/bug/field/ | 15:55 |
| czr | but I'l going through the Packages of the maemo repo now | 15:55 |
| infobot | alterego meant: XB is the tag to say that it's not a standard debian field. | 15:55 |
| czr | alterego, the icon field is not present in the repo packages.gz | 15:55 |
| alterego | :( | 15:55 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 15:55 |
| czr | so, I guess it goes into the .deb, but not into packages.gz | 15:55 |
| alterego | O guess I'll have to manually do it or forget about it. | 15:56 |
| alterego | Grr .. I can't set the .install file for my projects on downloads maemo because it's down! | 15:58 |
| alterego | DOWLOADS IS DOWN! | 15:58 |
| alterego | Oh, actually it's just real slow .. | 15:58 |
| czr | alterego, bug 2376 | 15:59 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2376 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2376 | 15:59 |
| alterego | I might downgrade ruby-maemo from beta to alpha | 16:00 |
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| kaltsi | czr about having sources in the same directory as binaries (bug 2351) - that's how debian seems to do it too | 16:14 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2351 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2351 | 16:14 |
| kaltsi | for example ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wget/ | 16:15 |
| czr | kaltsi, hmm. let me see | 16:18 |
| czr | interesting. | 16:18 |
| czr | so does ubuntu | 16:18 |
| czr | kaltsi, thanks, I'll append the bug report :-) | 16:18 |
| kaltsi | no sources symlink though :) | 16:19 |
| czr | kaltsi, yup | 16:19 |
| czr | it's silly | 16:19 |
| alterego | How many 500 errors can maemo.org give me in 10 minutes :/ | 16:19 |
| czr | although I understand why it exists, but still. | 16:19 |
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| czr | kaltsi, refresh :-) | 16:20 |
| kaltsi | pointed out by kaltsi.. hehe :) | 16:21 |
| czr | now you're immortal :-) | 16:22 |
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| kaltsi | maybe it's that Maria Kaltsi that's the first hit in google for kaltsi | 16:22 |
| * DRoBeR is away: I want to break freak | 16:23 | |
| czr | kaltsi, maybe it is! | 16:23 |
| czr | infact, you could be her for all we know :-) | 16:24 |
| kaltsi | me luv you loong time | 16:24 |
| kaltsi | oops disregard | 16:24 |
| * czr is ballmer IRL | 16:24 | |
| czr | the feeling is mutual :-) | 16:24 |
| czr | kaltsi, how did you like my other bugs from today? :-) | 16:25 |
| czr | 2374 - 2376 | 16:25 |
| _Monkey | -2 | 16:25 |
| * czr spanks _Monkey | 16:25 | |
| kaltsi | I didn't check those.. arr should I | 16:25 |
| czr | not really. other than for chuckles :-) | 16:26 |
| kaltsi | I've wanted that osso -> maemo change also.. discussion raised some moans | 16:27 |
| alterego | It's bloody cold .. | 16:27 |
| alterego | I'm gonna have to get better windows. These ones are very drafty .. | 16:27 |
| kaltsi | maybe that 2376 will get fixed since the hello-world is being worked on :) | 16:28 |
| czr | kaltsi, it's a separate bug though, easy to miss that one | 16:29 |
| czr | kaltsi, I'm thinking of writing a repo verification tool | 16:31 |
| czr | since filing each bug separately is insane | 16:31 |
| czr | it would generate a report of issues and I'd just update it once a night -> static pages on my server. | 16:32 |
| kaltsi | cool | 16:32 |
| czr | "thinking of" != going to do :-) | 16:32 |
| czr | but I'm seeing a lot of small issues here and there. | 16:32 |
| kaltsi | there's a lot of old crap that gets forgotten easily since things work most of the time | 16:34 |
| czr | yup. that's why I'm thinking of a single page report | 16:35 |
| czr | it would be blunt and work off the public repo directly. | 16:35 |
| czr | so the only way to shut it up about something would be fixing the issues | 16:35 |
| * czr "hee hee"s on the background | 16:36 | |
| sp3000 | plus, then you can deflect any criticism with "the tool did it!" :) | 16:36 |
| czr | that is one of the things, yes :-) | 16:37 |
| czr | but I'll see. have to finish couple of other things first, might take a stab at the tool later | 16:37 |
| czr | also, if someone has a link to nice SVG icons with "traffic signs" with not too restrictive license, I'm all ears | 16:38 |
| czr | wondering whether I should report a bug in apt-mirror as well | 16:38 |
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| czr | or rather, not a bug, but an issue that stops it working with maemo repos | 16:39 |
| zerojay | Argh.. Garage down again. | 16:39 |
| zerojay | oh.. up now. | 16:39 |
| zerojay | nm | 16:39 |
| czr | it's not down. it's slow | 16:39 |
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| alterego | Someone should make a good grease monkey thingy for youtube .. | 16:40 |
| zerojay | There already are. | 16:40 |
| zerojay | Several. | 16:40 |
| alterego | Really? | 16:40 |
| * alterego looks. | 16:40 | |
| zerojay | I think youtube's one of the sites that has the most scripts. | 16:40 |
| alterego | The video playback in OS2008 is pretty impressive | 16:41 |
| kaltsi | czr look at the end of this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_sign | 16:41 |
| alterego | But youtube renders like crap .. | 16:41 |
| zerojay | If your video's on the mobile version, you can play it without dropping a frame. | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | One which tidies up the page so that you don't need to scroll on an 800x480 screen | 16:41 |
| kaltsi | czr there's that traffic signs part where you get different kinds of signs in svg | 16:41 |
| czr | kaltsi, thanks. | 16:43 |
| czr | ah. /me thanks germany for putting those into public domain | 16:43 |
| alterego | zerojay, you can have that on the full version. If you wait for it to download/buffer | 16:45 |
| zerojay | No. | 16:47 |
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| zerojay | It's not that smooth even when fully buffered. | 16:47 |
| zerojay | Try it, you'll see. | 16:47 |
| alterego | I use it all the time .. | 16:47 |
| alterego | Works perfectly .. | 16:47 |
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| zerojay | It still drops frames when viewed in the browser. | 16:48 |
| alterego | .. | 16:48 |
| alterego | It works perfectly for me .. | 16:48 |
| zerojay | You just don't notice it then. | 16:48 |
| alterego | If it's dropping frames then I've not noticed. | 16:48 |
| zerojay | I notice it.. screen tearing and frame drops.. but it's nothing major and nothing that I find unacceptable, that's for sure. | 16:49 |
| zerojay | But the same video on the mobile site played through media player drops nothing. | 16:49 |
| zerojay | Probably because there's no flash overhead. | 16:50 |
| alterego | Meh, my N800 must be better than yours :P | 16:50 |
| zerojay | No, just my eyes. :) | 16:51 |
| zerojay | 20/10. | 16:51 |
| _Monkey | 2 | 16:51 |
| alterego | I doubt that. | 16:51 |
| czr | bleh. forgot my sf password | 16:51 |
| zerojay | I can see scanlines on TVs 50 feet away. | 16:51 |
| czr | I see dead people | 16:52 |
| czr | s/people/open source projects/ | 16:52 |
| infobot | czr meant: I see dead open source projects | 16:52 |
| zerojay | Anyways, no.. youtube isn't perfect on IT2008.. but it drops frames a lot less than it used to. | 16:52 |
| czr | bleh, infobot is irritating | 16:52 |
| zerojay | All the bots are. | 16:52 |
| czr | esp ones that speak when not spoken to | 16:53 |
| zerojay | I forgot the way to kill Monkey... | 16:53 |
| zerojay | But when I find it, I'm just going to repeatedly kill it until the owner gets the hint. | 16:53 |
| * czr seconds | 16:54 | |
| sp3000 | vote for change ;) | 16:56 |
| sp3000 | meh | 16:56 |
| zerojay | By crashing the bot repeatedly. :) | 16:56 |
| sp3000 | didn't it used to die when you said change | 16:56 |
| zerojay | It's Milhouse that's running the bot. | 16:57 |
| sp3000 | someone must have fixed it or there's a nuance I missed :) | 16:57 |
| zerojay | There was something.. can't remember what it was now though. | 16:58 |
| sp3000 | change socks? | 16:58 |
| _Monkey | sp3000: that doesn't look right | 16:58 |
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| zerojay | Hahahaha | 16:58 |
| zerojay | Bingo. | 16:58 |
| sp3000 | ah, needs to be followed by a word, or something. | 16:58 |
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| zerojay | change servers? | 16:58 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 16:58 |
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| sp3000 | good to know | 16:58 |
| * zerojay considers writing a macro to do it for him. | 16:58 | |
| zerojay | change diaper? | 16:59 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 16:59 |
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| zerojay | change pants? | 16:59 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 16:59 |
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| zerojay | change firmware? | 17:00 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:00 |
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| * sp3000 wonders how much space an upgrade to gutsy is likely to need | 17:00 | |
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| zerojay | change distros? | 17:00 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:00 |
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| zerojay | change providers? | 17:00 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:00 |
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| zerojay | This is fun. | 17:00 |
| czr | sp3000, from feisty? | 17:00 |
| zerojay | I could do it all day. | 17:00 |
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| zerojay | change do it all day? | 17:01 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:01 |
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| sp3000 | at some point you may need to change how you do that to look like conversation ;) | 17:01 |
| czr | sp3000, depends on how much of cruft you've already have installed. it's not much larger after the update process is complete (at least with xubuntu) | 17:01 |
| GNUton | O_o | 17:01 |
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| GNUton | _Monkey: ? | 17:01 |
| _Monkey | bugger all, i dunno, gnuton | 17:01 |
| GNUton | _Monkey: ? | 17:01 |
| _Monkey | gnuton: bugger all, i dunno | 17:01 |
| zerojay | sp3000: No worse than the bot. | 17:01 |
| zerojay | change die? | 17:01 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:01 |
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| GNUton | _Monkey: stupid bot :P | 17:01 |
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| GNUton | _Monkey: stupid bot :P | 17:01 |
| _Monkey | GNUton: sorry... | 17:01 |
| GNUton | _Monkey: aaaaaaaaaaA? | 17:02 |
| _Monkey | gnuton: bugger all, i dunno | 17:02 |
| zerojay | change stfu bot? | 17:02 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | Search the logs? | 17:02 |
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| zerojay | change *boom*? | 17:02 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:02 |
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| zerojay | change puke? | 17:03 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:03 |
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| zerojay | _Monkey: change death? | 17:03 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:03 |
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| zerojay | anyone have some spare change? | 17:03 |
| zerojay | Hmm. | 17:04 |
| zerojay | Change for a $5? | 17:04 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:04 |
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| zerojay | Who changes clothes at 5am? | 17:04 |
| zerojay | Who change clothes at 5am? | 17:04 |
| alterego | Someone getting dressed? | 17:04 |
| zerojay | change your ways, evil doer? | 17:04 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:04 |
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| zerojay | change you know, it's not that bad, you dumb bot. you don't have to repeatedly annoy the shit out of everyone in the room and sit here even though no one's ever wanted you to be here in the first place? | 17:05 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:05 |
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| pupnikafk | curse you sp3000 | 17:08 |
| sp3000 | pfft | 17:08 |
| zerojay | change that to cursing infobot? | 17:08 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:08 |
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| zerojay | imdb for clerks | 17:10 |
| zerojay | hmm. | 17:10 |
| pupnikafk | i should have added a ;) to that | 17:10 |
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| sp3000 | pfft ;) | 17:21 |
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| maddler | hi all! | 17:22 |
| czr | hmm. I wonder whether it's possible to pit _monkey against infobot | 17:22 |
| zerojay | They run the same software. | 17:23 |
| czr | hmm. maybe I better not try :-) | 17:23 |
| zerojay | change die bot die!? | 17:23 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 17:23 |
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| Jaffa | lo maddler. Thanks for the pointer to Quim's comment. | 17:31 |
| maddler | Jaffa: no problem... | 17:38 |
| maddler | I mean... after all I'm only trying to know more... :) | 17:38 |
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| maddler | and quim always had a great attitude... imho... | 17:39 |
| maddler | Jaffa: beside that... I was considering moving all maemopeolple blogs from b2e to wordpress... | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | maddler: As long as there are reasonably decent fluid-width, not overly silly or pervasive themes (I've finally got one I like ;-)) | 17:43 |
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| alterego | Heh | 17:48 |
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| zpol | hola | 17:52 |
| _Monkey | que tal, zpol | 17:52 |
| maddler | Jaffa: hehehe... no problem... "actual" maemopeople won't be affected... I mean... if you feel comfortable with actual blog system... you won't have to change it... :) | 17:53 |
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| Andy80 | maddler: about blogs.... can you suggest me a blog service that support the wiki syntax? blogger and wordpress are ugly when you have to publish an howto, where you have to show commands to type, code examples ecc... | 18:07 |
| alterego | You can use HTML with blogger. | 18:07 |
| zerojay | Andy80: Why don't you just install a wiki then? | 18:08 |
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| Andy80 | zerojay: I've a wiki :) | 18:09 |
| alterego | Why don't you use it then? :P | 18:09 |
| Andy80 | zerojay: but... when I want to publish something on Planet Maemo, for example.... I've to announce it on my blog (maemogeek.blogspot.com) and then write the complete howto in the wiki | 18:10 |
| zerojay | so? | 18:10 |
| Andy80 | two post for the same thing | 18:10 |
| zerojay | Just use the wiki then. | 18:10 |
| Andy80 | would be great if Blogger let me to add box-code or something similar | 18:10 |
| maddler | andy.... there should be a WP plugin in order to support Wiki syntax... | 18:13 |
| Andy80 | maddler: really?? wooow :) | 18:14 |
| maddler | Andy80: btw... using WP advanced editors... it shouldn't be too hard... imho... | 18:14 |
| Andy80 | maddler: advanced editors? I don't know them... I just subscribed yesterday to WP, to evaluate it | 18:14 |
| maddler | WP editor is kinda "advanced" | 18:15 |
| maddler | you can use WYSIWYG to write your posts... | 18:16 |
| maddler | and adding new CSS style is easy... | 18:16 |
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| sp3000 | czr: oh, actually it checks (1483M it says) | 18:20 |
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| hugol1 | hi | 18:20 |
| czr | sp3000, hmm? | 18:20 |
| sp3000 | czr: the gutsy update | 18:20 |
| hugol1 | I just bought the n800 yesterday and cant find what my root password is | 18:20 |
| czr | sp3000, ah. right :-) | 18:20 |
| hugol1 | can anybody tell me where I should look? | 18:21 |
| czr | sp3000, after update the size difference isn't that large. that's what I meant :-) | 18:21 |
| zerojay | The pass is rootme. | 18:21 |
| czr | hugol1, you'll need to enable r&d mode on the device too. | 18:21 |
| kaltsi | czr why do you say that? it's only needed with the sudo gainroot thingy.. otherwise not | 18:21 |
| hugol1 | czr: its not | 18:22 |
| czr | kaltsi, it's needed with 2008 & openssh-server too | 18:22 |
| kaltsi | czr really? didn't know that :-/ | 18:22 |
| czr | well, at least I needed it. couldn't get root login without it via openssh-server. | 18:22 |
| hugol1 | czr: I installed the x-terminal directly into the n800, im not using ssh | 18:22 |
| czr | hugol1, how do you plan to get root privs then? | 18:23 |
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| hugol1 | using sudo? | 18:23 |
| czr | right. | 18:23 |
| hugol1 | if I do sudo su it asks me for a pasword | 18:23 |
| hugol1 | I though maemo was based on Debian | 18:23 |
| kaltsi | it asks for your password, not the root password | 18:23 |
| hugol1 | kaltsi: ok, then whats my password | 18:24 |
| derf | sudo never asks you for someone else's password. | 18:24 |
| kaltsi | and then it says that you don't have sudo rights | 18:24 |
| hugol1 | I havent set the password nowhere | 18:24 |
| hugol1 | kaltsi: ok, so you are saying the only way to get root rights on the n800 is through ssh? | 18:24 |
| kaltsi | no :) | 18:24 |
| kaltsi | I'm trying to find you a link with all the options | 18:25 |
| |R | it's just very easy :) | 18:25 |
| hugol1 | then? | 18:25 |
| czr | btw, if anyone knows of a policy document describing what 'free' and 'non-free' mean in maemo repositories, I'd appreciate a link | 18:25 |
| kaltsi | ssh is one way | 18:25 |
| * czr sees how hugol1 will manage without r&d. | 18:25 | |
| czr | although 2007 openssh doesn't require r&d for root login afair | 18:25 |
| kaltsi | hugol1: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot/ | 18:25 |
| hugol1 | kaltsi: thanks | 18:26 |
| kaltsi | hugol1: that dropbear stuff is for 770. ignore it | 18:26 |
| gla55_ | hendrix castle made of sand | 18:26 |
| gla55_ | fjdfiods | 18:26 |
| gla55_ | wrong channel, sorry | 18:26 |
| kaltsi | O_o | 18:26 |
| hugol1 | kaltsi: ok | 18:27 |
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| kaltsi | hugol1: and if you are new then look at stuff in www.maemo.org .. there are how-to's and a wiki for all kinds of things. It seems to be quite slow at the moment though. | 18:30 |
| hugol1 | kaltsi: I dont need dropbear but I do need openssh right? | 18:30 |
| hugol1 | kaltsi: Ive been looking arround, allredy installed pidgin, kagu, uktube, mplayer, ... | 18:31 |
| hugol1 | the default n800 software is spartan | 18:31 |
| kaltsi | hugol1: yep, you need ssh (or set it up in R&D mode like czr said and then you can just use 'sudo gainroot') | 18:32 |
| hugol1 | kaltsi: whats R&D? | 18:32 |
| kaltsi | to set it up in R&D mode you need to do it from a linux machine with the linux flasher.. | 18:32 |
| * czr smacks kaltsi and hugol1 with a large trout for not believing him | 18:32 | |
| kaltsi | research & development mode | 18:32 |
| hugol1 | I see | 18:32 |
| hugol1 | guess I will try the ssh way | 18:32 |
| kaltsi | czr well I only argued that R&D mode was not needed for the ssh ;-) | 18:33 |
| czr | hugol1, ssh root@localhost should work | 18:33 |
| czr | kaltsi, so only a small trout for you then! | 18:33 |
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| kaltsi | troutlet? | 18:33 |
| czr | heh. yes. | 18:33 |
| czr | Desktop Troutlet | 18:33 |
| hugol1 | I have read that in December the 2008 OS will be ready, is it going to be a big change? | 18:33 |
| czr | hugol1, depends on your definition of big. | 18:34 |
| czr | it's better yes. | 18:34 |
| kaltsi | hugol1: it's an improvement.. maybe not big but noticeable | 18:34 |
| kaltsi | under the hood it's big | 18:34 |
| czr | kaltsi, that just sounds plain wrong :-) | 18:35 |
| czr | esp when taken out of context :-) | 18:35 |
| hugol1 | oh, so its more like underground than flashy change? | 18:35 |
| hugol1 | thats good to hear | 18:35 |
| czr | hugol1, both | 18:35 |
| hugol1 | cool | 18:35 |
| hugol1 | I had my doubts on buying the n800 and Im completely loving it | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | There's also the becomeroot deb which enables `sudo gainroot' without R&D mode, without SSH and without any additional hassle. | 18:36 |
| czr | Jaffa, it's difficult to find btw | 18:37 |
| zoran | regarding so many questions about gaining root, I supose would be better to make su rein the whole thing. | 18:37 |
| hugol1 | Jaffa: you know where I can find this deb? | 18:37 |
| kaltsi | the wiki should be updated too | 18:38 |
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| hugol1 | Jaffa: I think I allredy found it through google | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | czr: it is? | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: becomeroot? | 18:39 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is probably a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 18:39 |
| czr | try finding the deb that works | 18:39 |
| czr | or maybe I was blind | 18:40 |
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| czr | I remember I had some problems finding one which wasn't for 770 | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | It's all the same deb IIRC | 18:40 |
| * czr shrugs | 18:40 | |
| zoran | huh, just compiled centerim for freebsd. Using additional protocols made the whole thing unbelievable. Over 25 mb of source, just to get little app, that none use today. | 18:42 |
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| captlloyd | Anyone know of a good site that has wallpapers or themes for N800/810? | 18:45 |
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| zerojay | zoran: You mean centericq? | 18:48 |
| timelyx | alterego: nokia usa has lots of bogus information on it unfortunately | 18:48 |
| zoran | nope, centerim | 18:48 |
| zoran | it goes after centericq | 18:48 |
| zoran | and what a mess! | 18:49 |
| zerojay | Oh, it's a fork. | 18:49 |
| zoran | yep | 18:49 |
| zerojay | It was a good program. | 18:49 |
| zoran | looks fine | 18:49 |
| zoran | jsut I made a mistake and included more protocols | 18:49 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: fwiw in case it hasn't been mentioned, not all n810s have qwerty keyboards | 18:49 |
| timelyx | some have at least qwertz | 18:49 |
| * timelyx isn't sure if there's an azerty floating around (probably not) | 18:50 | |
| zoran | somebody else, except pygi, uses im nowadays? | 18:50 |
| timelyx | sp3000: yes, that's the bug... *bah* | 18:51 |
| timelyx | that's so unexpected | 18:51 |
| timelyx | is it documented in help? | 18:51 |
| czr | hey timelyx | 18:51 |
| _Monkey | timelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback | 18:51 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget friday | 18:51 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot friday | 18:51 |
| timelyx | _Monkey friday is <reply> | 18:52 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 18:52 |
| timelyx | czr: clearly nokia didn't consult me on that relnote :(~ | 18:53 |
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| * timelyx will need to build an xref to find out what's in that... | 18:54 | |
| czr | timelyx, me neither :-) | 18:54 |
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| timelyx | alterego: could you please file a bug documenting what goes wrong w/ vkb form entry? | 18:55 |
| lopz | re | 18:55 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget Quim Gill | 18:55 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot quim gill | 18:55 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget Quim Gil | 18:55 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot quim gil | 18:55 |
| timelyx | _Monkey Quim Gil is <reply> | 18:55 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 18:55 |
| timelyx | _Monkey Quim Gill is <reply> | 18:55 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 18:55 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget buildroot | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot buildroot | 18:56 |
| timelyx | _Monkey buildroot is <reply> | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 18:56 |
| zerojay | change die? | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 18:56 |
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| zerojay | :D | 18:56 |
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| timelyx | someone killed _Monkey? | 18:56 |
| zerojay | change this works every time? | 18:56 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 18:57 |
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| * czr hopes so | 18:57 | |
| zoran | parrots speak better! | 18:57 |
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| zerojay | change he doesn't like me? | 18:57 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right | 18:57 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget your mom | 18:57 |
| hugol1 | Jaffa: I have installed the repository from http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot but becomeroot package doesnt appear | 18:57 |
| hugol1 | any idea? | 18:57 |
| timelyx | _Monkey your mom is <reply> | 18:57 |
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| hugol1 | (besides using ssh) | 18:57 |
| zerojay | hehe | 18:57 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget yeah, DSP hacking | 18:58 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot yeah, dsp hacking | 18:58 |
| timelyx | _Monkey yeah, DSP hacking is <reply> | 18:58 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 18:58 |
| zoran | timelyx likes to tease animals? | 18:59 |
| hugol1 | Jaffa: my fault, I found it | 19:00 |
| zerojay | Damn it.. the RSS feed reader's completely broken in the new IT2008 update. | 19:01 |
| timelyx | niteOwl2: if the docs are confusing, please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org | 19:01 |
| zerojay | Segfaults on launch every time. | 19:02 |
| timelyx | captlloyd: you can change the hardware keyboard layout, you /might/ prefer the GB | 19:04 |
| zerojay | Ironic, considering the release notes say "added stability". | 19:04 |
| timelyx | (of course, then you get to type blindly, but hey...) | 19:04 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget internettablettalk | 19:04 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot internettablettalk | 19:04 |
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| zerojay | _Monkey die | 19:05 |
| _Monkey | zerojay: what? | 19:05 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget gps | 19:05 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot gps | 19:05 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget yeah, openssh | 19:06 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot yeah, openssh | 19:06 |
| timelyx | _Monkey yeah, openssh is <reply> | 19:06 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 19:06 |
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| timelyx | [pablo] / guerby from memory the hardware keyboard is fairly different | 19:09 |
| timelyx | because of `e | 19:09 |
| timelyx | czr: please get my bug karma fixed ;-) | 19:10 |
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| RobAtWork | nice. | 19:13 |
| lopz | xD | 19:14 |
| RobAtWork | pretty necessary | 19:14 |
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| pupnik | botnet begone | 19:15 |
| czr | timelyx, I added me-too to bug 17something | 19:15 |
| _Monkey | Bug 17 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17 | 19:15 |
| czr | hah | 19:15 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget damn. this | 19:15 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot damn. this | 19:15 |
| timelyx | _Monkey damn. this is <reply> | 19:15 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 19:15 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget slow scenes | 19:15 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot slow scenes | 19:15 |
| czr | timelyx, how do I get list of bugs where I'm CCed? | 19:16 |
| timelyx | _Monkey slow scenes are <reply> | 19:16 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 19:16 |
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| pupnik | quitting smoking is exactly like waiting for a N810 | 19:16 |
| pupnik | how interesting | 19:16 |
| czr | timeless, 2196 | 19:17 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget wp editor | 19:22 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot wp editor | 19:22 |
| timelyx | _Monkey wp editor is <reply> | 19:22 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 19:22 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget and adding new CSS style | 19:22 |
| _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching and adding new css style | 19:22 |
| timelyx | _Monkey and adding new CSS style is <reply> | 19:22 |
| _Monkey | ...but adding new css style is easy...... | 19:22 |
| czr | timelyx, you job is to undo all the stuff that monkey learns during the week? | 19:24 |
| czr | that sounds even sadder than my job :-) | 19:24 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget your mom | 19:24 |
| _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching your mom | 19:24 |
| timelyx | _Monkey your mom is <reply> | 19:24 |
| _Monkey | ...but _monkey's mom is super easy... | 19:24 |
| czr | hah | 19:24 |
| timelyx | not officially | 19:25 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget monkey's mom | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | timelyx, I didn't have anything matching monkey's mom | 19:26 |
| timelyx | _Monkey forget _monkey's mom | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot _monkey's mom | 19:26 |
| timelyx | _Monkey your mom is <reply> | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 19:26 |
| timelyx | change it? | 19:26 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: that doesn't look right | 19:26 |
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| timelyx | good bye. | 19:26 |
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| timelyx | i mostly do this to remind people that monkey is a dumb learner | 19:26 |
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| timelyx | _monkey timelyx mostly do this to remind people that monkey is? | 19:27 |
| _Monkey | i haven't a clue, timelyx | 19:27 |
| timelyx | _monkey timelyx mostly do this to remind people that monkey? | 19:27 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: wish i knew | 19:27 |
| timelyx | hrm | 19:27 |
| timelyx | oh well | 19:27 |
| czr | yeah, but wasting time on _monkey isn't very productive :-) | 19:27 |
| timelyx | it's a saturday night, it's kinda like free entertainment? | 19:27 |
| * czr nods | 19:28 | |
| czr | although I found the whole thing with moms quite funny | 19:28 |
| * czr is a sad person | 19:28 | |
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| timelyx | czr: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2196#c10 | 19:29 |
| timelyx | btw, in case you're curious, that comment is magical | 19:29 |
| czr | :-) | 19:29 |
| czr | it is? how? | 19:30 |
| timelyx | if you look through bugzilla.mozilla.org, you'll find that it was used a lot | 19:30 |
| czr | repeats the previous comment? | 19:30 |
| timelyx | no | 19:30 |
| timelyx | a single . on a line is ignored by mailers | 19:30 |
| czr | and it's purpose is? | 19:30 |
| timelyx | it's like why "From" never appears at the beginning of a line in mail | 19:30 |
| timelyx | (you get >From) | 19:31 |
| timelyx | it meant something like "blank line please, i'm not really done yet" | 19:31 |
| hugol1 | hi, I became root and have installed nfs support on my n800 but I can only access the nfs mount directory throught the x-terminal, anybody can give me a clue on how to access it? | 19:31 |
| captlloyd | timelyx: I only saw English Netherlands as a keyboard layout option, was I looking in the wrong place? | 19:31 |
| timelyx | wait? | 19:31 |
| czr | timelyx, hmm. maybe they borrowed the syntax out of debian control files ;-) | 19:31 |
| czr | or SMTP | 19:31 |
| czr | who knows. | 19:31 |
| timelyx | i have 7 choices | 19:32 |
| timelyx | it's from SMTP | 19:32 |
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| timelyx | captlloyd: it's in control panel/text input, first tab | 19:32 |
| timelyx | oh | 19:32 |
| timelyx | hrm, yeah, you're right, they don't have 2 english layouts | 19:32 |
| timelyx | try german :) | 19:32 |
| czr | hugol1, mount it under /home/user/MyDocs/somewhere. | 19:33 |
| timelyx | sorry, forgot they unified us | 19:33 |
| czr | hugol1, MyDocs is the "root" for the graphical dialogs | 19:33 |
| timelyx | the software layouts for en-US and en-GB are fairly different | 19:33 |
| timelyx | especially wrt | | 19:33 |
| captlloyd | hehe | 19:33 |
| hugol1 | czr: ok, is it posible to use ln in n800? | 19:33 |
| timelyx | from memory, VKB en-GB makes | reachable | 19:33 |
| czr | hugol1, of course. don't know how it will affect the graphical dialogs though. do tell after you try it | 19:33 |
| hugol1 | ok | 19:34 |
| timelyx | czr: speaking of fun bugs | 19:34 |
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| gnuite | What the hey, is libgpsbt/libgpsmgr closed-source in Chinook? | 19:35 |
| b0unc3_ | hugol1: try wizard-mounter ;) | 19:36 |
| hugol1 | b0unc3_: whats wizard-mounter? | 19:36 |
| hugol1 | a graphical interface? | 19:36 |
| b0unc3_ | hugol1: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/wizard-mounter/ | 19:36 |
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| timelyx | hrm | 19:37 |
| timelyx | is the hover thing from being logged into maemo.org supposed to be 90% offscreen left ? :) | 19:37 |
| gnuite | I gave up on that hover thing - it never works for me.... | 19:38 |
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| hugol1 | b0unc3: my n800 doesnt like the .deb of wizard-mounter | 19:42 |
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| hugol1 | it says imposible to install wizard-mounter | 19:43 |
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| b0unc3 | hugol1: strange... try the .install file : http://downloads.maemo.org/OS2007/desktop-environment/ | 19:45 |
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| hugol1 | b0unc3: I allredy have ln in MyDocs directory and its working | 19:46 |
| hugol1 | czr: ln seems to work, Im going to try to play a audio file from the nfs mount now | 19:46 |
| czr | hugol1, can you take a screenshot of the filemanager with the link? | 19:47 |
| czr | does it look like a directory or what? | 19:47 |
| hugol1 | yes it looks like a carpet | 19:47 |
| hugol1 | I created the directory nfs in MyDocs and I can see it in file administrator (or whatever the name is in english, I have it in spanish) | 19:48 |
| czr | carpet. cool :-) | 19:48 |
| hugol1 | but it seems the media player doesnt like it | 19:48 |
| czr | ah | 19:48 |
| hugol1 | its stuck at buffering something | 19:48 |
| hugol1 | no, its working now | 19:49 |
| hugol1 | it took like 20 or 30 seconds to buffer but its working | 19:49 |
| hugol1 | this is so cool | 19:49 |
| czr | with the symlink? | 19:50 |
| hugol1 | I can access all the music collection on my nas through the wifi | 19:50 |
| czr | ok. good to hear that the symlink works | 19:50 |
| hugol1 | czr: yes, with ln. I have mounted in /mnt/media and make a ln -s link to MyDocs | 19:50 |
| czr | should probably work on some gui statusbar thingy for nfs/smb attaching at some point, if could be bothered :-) | 19:50 |
| hugol1 | yep, that be great | 19:51 |
| hugol1 | going to try the kagu music scaner, hope it doesnt go crazy with all the mp3 on my server hd | 19:52 |
| hugol1 | one last thing, I have tried maemo mapper, and looks great, but it doesnt calculate a route without internet access | 19:53 |
| hugol1 | is there any program that can do that? | 19:53 |
| hugol1 | it would be great to be able to download the maps, save them in the memory, and then move arround without needing a internet conection | 19:54 |
| pupnik | yes++ | 19:54 |
| pupnik | data plan is unaffordable for me | 19:54 |
| timelyx | programs do exist | 19:55 |
| timelyx | and the map files are most definitely portable | 19:55 |
| hugol1 | mmm, Im guessing that kagu only looks under the music directory so thats why its not discovering my nfs shares, can anyone confirm this? | 19:55 |
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| * timelyx used a phone demo booth at an airport to collect maps while waiting for a plane | 19:55 | |
| timelyx | yum, free gprs connection :) | 19:56 |
| hugol1 | timelyx: and the program name is? | 19:56 |
| Andy80 | hugol1: wait for Os2008, you'll have Maps application :) | 19:56 |
| hugol1 | Andy80: great | 19:56 |
| hugol1 | Im absolutely loving my n800 | 19:56 |
| timelyx | *shrug* | 19:56 |
| hugol1 | I wonder why nokia didnt make it a phone as well | 19:56 |
| timelyx | i know they exist | 19:56 |
| timelyx | hugol1: there are enough pages w/ speculation explaining why it's nokia probably didn't | 19:57 |
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| timelyx | but there's supposedly an n800 derivative to be shipped w/ sprint in 2008 (?) | 19:57 |
| timelyx | i just used maemo mapper :) | 19:57 |
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| Andy80 | well... for example I can connect to internet using the UMTS connection, from the device and use Skype to make a call :) | 19:58 |
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| hugol1 | Andy80: you are saying that I can use a 3g conection with the n800? | 19:59 |
| Andy80 | hugol1: no... but you can connect to your phone via bluetooth | 19:59 |
| hugol1 | Andy80: yes, ok, but then I have to carry both | 19:59 |
| Andy80 | I've a Nokia N73, and I can connect to internet in two ways: using wifi connection, and using the UMTS connection of the phone... so N800/810 --> N73 --> Internet | 20:00 |
| hugol1 | Andy80: yes I have a k800i with 3g as well, but the point was to carry one device only | 20:00 |
| L0cutus | i think it is better to have 2 devices pda+cell to have the best of the 2 world | 20:00 |
| L0cutus | wha i really need is a good pim on n800 :( | 20:02 |
| timelyx | hugol1: so... one device means it's a lot more expensive | 20:02 |
| timelyx | and nokia is stuck being locked to networks | 20:02 |
| timelyx | and having to deal w/ network / device locks | 20:03 |
| hugol1 | timelyx: dont really know what your talking about, probably nokia has its reasons. | 20:03 |
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| hugol1 | czr: just in case you want to know, I deleted the previous symlinc and I created one at ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ and kagu seems to be scaning the files fine | 20:09 |
| czr | hugol1, ok. | 20:09 |
| oil | what would be the best / easiest way to do automatic media transfer to n800? I'm thinking of some web-gui to mark wanted music/podcasts/videos on my mediaserver so that those files would be synced to the n800 when it will be on home wlan coverage | 20:13 |
| timelyx | rsync ;-) | 20:13 |
| oil | timelyx: I'm thinking of that. normally works perfectly. Just wondering how to create the web-gui for it. | 20:14 |
| oil | maybe an directory which will contain links (ln -s) to the ablums I wish to rsync to n800 ? | 20:14 |
| timelyx | make web gui let you generate symlinks in a drop folder | 20:14 |
| timelyx | :) | 20:14 |
| oil | ok. that makes sense :) | 20:14 |
| GNUton | bye | 20:15 |
| oil | the idea is to install n800 (when I get the local maps) to the car. when the car is in home, the files would be syncked. | 20:15 |
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| hugol1 | oil: install n800 to the car? | 20:16 |
| hugol1 | you mean fix it to the car? | 20:17 |
| oil | anyway. n800 could be an creat car-computer. it can play all the media. do the navigation (with bluetooth gps), record route, play fm-radio etc. | 20:17 |
| oil | hugol1: yes. that's an idea. wife said that it would be possible to make an console to fit the device.. with not too much of a cost. | 20:18 |
| oil | and it could use gprs/3g as backup connection while on road for chat and email. | 20:19 |
| hugol1 | oil: yep, I think I saw somewhere a linux distribution for the car, with hardware recomendations for a project like this | 20:28 |
| hugol1 | that way you could have a bigger touchscreen | 20:29 |
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| oil | hugol1: what I have in mind is something very simple. just some srcripting on the device and on the serverside. | 20:29 |
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| K`zan | Morning all | 20:35 |
| sciboy | Morning. | 20:36 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 20:36 |
| sciboy | Hmmm, solarwolf would be a nice game to port. | 20:37 |
| sp3000 | oil: what sort of mediaserver | 20:37 |
| * sp3000 watches random things die while upgrading to gutsy | 20:38 | |
| sp3000 | the panel just hiccuped :) | 20:38 |
| sp3000 | also, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=REMIND | 20:38 |
| oil | sp3000: it's just an ubuntu laptop filled with audio and video. Can play out to the home steroes and tv. also works as upnp server. one idea is to make an script which will convert the videos to n800 suitable format. | 20:39 |
| oil | it's laptop so that it would not (hopefully) use so much energy as it's always on. | 20:40 |
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| sp3000 | I'm contemplating some automation to run one of the encoder scripts and syncing some folders | 20:49 |
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| oil | rsync -rvk --delete 192.168.1.1:/trans/n800/music /media/mmc2/music does the trick with links. then the next steps are to create an web page which will do the links for wanted media. | 21:17 |
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| oil | and also how to wake up the process when the tablet is connected to home network | 21:17 |
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| oil | which mediaserver is preferred for videos? friend said that canola is best to support different encodings? | 21:19 |
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| cesman | oil: mplayer | 21:21 |
| _Monkey | mplayer is a high-performance video player for the tablet OS: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer | 21:21 |
| oil | thanks, I'll use that one | 21:22 |
| lsobral | the new canola will use mplayer as the default player for videos | 21:22 |
| cesman | nice! | 21:23 |
| oil | one thing I'm missing is the tv-out on the device. then we could put movies on n800 and display those on tv while traveling | 21:24 |
| zoran | and 4 wheels? | 21:24 |
| oil | nokia n95 has it already. | 21:25 |
| gla55_ | tvout and 3d accel are probably missing for similar reasons(using the external lcd controller..) | 21:27 |
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| hugol1 | whats wrong with maemo.org? | 21:34 |
| pupnik | leeches | 21:36 |
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| rubiks | i don't know | 21:39 |
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| hugol1 | 2 hours ago maemo.org was slow, but is getting unusable | 21:40 |
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| keesj | bug #2368 -> timeless isn't nice | 21:41 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2368 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368 | 21:41 |
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| pupnik | it's nice to see all the pics of the tablets, and the public showings and stuff | 22:06 |
| pupnik | but i guess things like interviews with developers, or a bit of a show of the production facilities are ... secret? | 22:07 |
| pupnik | could almost be a good subject for a short tv sketch | 22:07 |
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| pupnik | more advertising, more sales, more developres... | 22:08 |
| pupnik | the mantra :) | 22:08 |
| sciboy | I'm just glad 2008 was leaked so developers can still try stuff out on the n800. | 22:09 |
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| * toresbe wves | 22:11 | |
| toresbe | is the N810 version out for N800 yet? | 22:12 |
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| pupnik | dno | 22:14 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 22:15 |
| _Monkey | niihau, bedboi | 22:15 |
| bedboi | stupid monkeys | 22:15 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: a poisoned banana for you | 22:16 |
| _Monkey | bedboi: what? | 22:16 |
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| jeff1f | N810 unboxing on the front page of digg | 22:35 |
| vegai | Hrm | 22:36 |
| vegai | This calls for invading America. | 22:36 |
| pupnik | just sell your dollar reserves | 22:37 |
| toresbe | heh, yeah, you might be able to buy an ice cream | 22:37 |
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| ThomasM | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ should be fine for developing simple apps for a new N800, yes? | 22:58 |
| pupnik | the maemo sdk is the full-power thing | 22:59 |
| pupnik | the vmware image is convenient to save install time, and make portable environments | 23:00 |
| ThomasM | I'm on a Windows box for the nonce, and I'd have to do X forwarding or create a new VM for it, so this seems ideal. | 23:00 |
| zerojay | the nonce? | 23:01 |
| ThomasM | "for the nonce" is the same as "at the moment" | 23:01 |
| zerojay | Ah, and where does that come from? Where is that commonly used? | 23:01 |
| ThomasM | http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=nonce Middle English, and generally in old books. :) | 23:02 |
| ThomasM | I don't know that I've ever heard it aloud except from English majors. | 23:02 |
| ThomasM | I think I've heard it in old TV shows and movies. | 23:03 |
| ThomasM | Side question: Why is maemo.org so damned slow? | 23:05 |
| bedboi | yep, damn slow being precise | 23:05 |
| pupnik | ~If you're happy and you know it, syntax error!~ | 23:09 |
| pupnik | Syntax Error. | 23:09 |
| pupnik | ~If you're happy and you know it, syntax error!!~ | 23:09 |
| pupnik | Syntax Error. | 23:09 |
| pupnik | ~If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it if you're happy and you know it, syntax error!~ | 23:09 |
| pupnik | Syntax Error. | 23:09 |
| zerojay | Seg fault would have been better, | 23:09 |
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| K`zan | Yes, it would :) | 23:22 |
| K`zan | May give that skype 3 month freebie sub to a handicapped friend, gonna have to check them out - anyone here using Skype, if so how do you like it? | 23:23 |
| zerojay | I'd use Skype. | 23:23 |
| zerojay | Except that they have no call-in numbers in Canada. | 23:23 |
| zerojay | Still. | 23:23 |
| gla55_ | i use skype mostly for im | 23:24 |
| gla55_ | mostly because i know people who use it who aren't on irc.. | 23:24 |
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| K`zan | She can't use a reguar phone but can still deal with keyboard and to some degree mouse, so for her it might be nice. | 23:24 |
| K`zan | Grousy about proprietary and closed source, but... | 23:25 |
| zerojay | She can't use a phone for physical reasons? | 23:25 |
| K`zan | Yes. | 23:25 |
| K`zan | VERY limited use of hands/arms | 23:25 |
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| zerojay | Wouldn't it be the same thing on the tablet? | 23:26 |
| K`zan | She hates wincrap, but the lack of handicapped stuff for linux I am afraid is going to push her into it :-(, else she is going to sit in a corner and watch tv all day and veg. | 23:26 |
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| K`zan | Yes, it is, but I have kind of hacked her desktop system so she can use it in a limited way. | 23:27 |
| K`zan | vs not at all. | 23:27 |
| K`zan | Types with her nose :-/. | 23:27 |
| K`zan | Getting SLOWLY better, but until it gets much better she deals with it as best she can, gotta give her credit for that. | 23:28 |
| K`zan | She has found something that seems to be reversing her MS, but it is a slow process considering the medical profession (heh) damn near killed her before she found it. | 23:29 |
| K`zan | Great spirit, I will have to give her that. | 23:29 |
| K`zan | Rather isolated because of it, thus the idea on skype and DNS, but getting her to use wincrap is like pulling teeth :-). | 23:30 |
| Hugol2 | K`zan have u thought about buying a voice recognition software? | 23:30 |
| K`zan | Hugol2: Got DNS for her, but she has a serious adversion to wincrap. | 23:30 |
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| cbx33 | hey peeps | 23:30 |
| K`zan | wb | 23:30 |
| cbx33 | hey K`zan | 23:30 |
| cbx33 | did ya get it working? | 23:30 |
| K`zan | Sigh, no I think I screwed it up :-(. | 23:31 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 23:31 |
| cbx33 | :( | 23:31 |
| cbx33 | did you follow my tut? | 23:31 |
| K`zan | Not sure whether I can back up and start or whether I have to wipe / reinstall from deb4 on. | 23:31 |
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| cbx33 | :S | 23:31 |
| K`zan | I started reading it, but it got a bit behind with the Thanksgiving Holiday. | 23:32 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 23:32 |
| K`zan | THat I was totally stuffed like the turkey had a bit to do with screwing it up, I should have just gone to bed... | 23:32 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 23:32 |
| cbx33 | it's nice and easy to start again iirc, | 23:32 |
| K`zan | Hopefully you got some good rest. | 23:32 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 23:32 |
| cbx33 | I'm all rested | 23:32 |
| cbx33 | are we any closer for os2008 on the n800 | 23:33 |
| K`zan | I think I was OK until I installed the nokia proprietary stuff into no target. | 23:33 |
| cbx33 | heh | 23:33 |
| K`zan | Also, I am not sure I have the "cpu transparaency" stuff and whether that is important or not. | 23:33 |
| cbx33 | if you follow the tut it should work | 23:34 |
| K`zan | Thinking I might be able to select a target and proceed from there, dunno. | 23:34 |
| K`zan | Would feel safer just deleting the vm and starting over with a fresh deb install. | 23:34 |
| K`zan | THis time I snapshot it before installing the sdk, etc.... | 23:34 |
| K`zan | And don't eat myself into a stupor :). | 23:35 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 23:35 |
| cbx33 | why not try it on ubuntu? | 23:35 |
| cbx33 | you could probably use ubuntu server, only a 400Mb iso | 23:35 |
| K`zan | WAY too many USB problems with ubuntu here. | 23:35 |
| cbx33 | oh? | 23:35 |
| cbx33 | even in a vm? | 23:35 |
| K`zan | Yes. | 23:35 |
| K`zan | Dunno how a vm would be effected. | 23:35 |
| cbx33 | what problems exactly? | 23:36 |
| K`zan | After all the problems, I am leery of ubuntu | 23:36 |
| cbx33 | oh dear | 23:36 |
| cbx33 | mind if I ask what version/what was the problem | 23:36 |
| cbx33 | we can take this to a pm, if people don't like the non-maemo chatting ;) | 23:36 |
| K`zan | Don't remember exactly now, but it just had all sorts of problems with usb. | 23:36 |
| cbx33 | ok | 23:36 |
| cbx33 | np | 23:36 |
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| K`zan | Went to deb and didn't have the problems and decided to try out fedora and it doesn't either, so I just don't know. | 23:37 |
| K`zan | Previous release of it, grungy badger or something like that :-). | 23:38 |
| cbx33 | breezy badger? | 23:41 |
| cbx33 | man not suprised | 23:41 |
| cbx33 | that's oooolllllddd | 23:41 |
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| K`zan | It was a while back now, 2 distros to be accurate :) | 23:44 |
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| sp3000 | grudgy goat? | 23:53 |
| * sp3000 just upgraded and it didn't fail halfway like the two previous times! | 23:53 | |
| sp3000 | it did break metacity's placement cascade though :( | 23:53 |
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| K`zan | LOL, I rather like numbers rather than clever names myself :) | 23:58 |
| elb | Ubuntu has numbers | 23:58 |
| K`zan | Those too, but the names ARE easier to remember :-). | 23:58 |
| K`zan | IIRC 7.04, but it was a while back. | 23:59 |
| elb | 7.04 was Feisty Fawn | 23:59 |
| * K`zan cornfuzed... | 23:59 | |
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