IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2007-11-25

kaltsiubuntu's numbers are the best.. 7.04 means that it was released in April 2007, and the latest is 7.10 released last month.. the next one will be 8.0400:02
*** playya has joined #maemo00:06
*** p| has joined #maemo00:08
p|buonasera00:10
*** booiiing has quit IRC00:12
*** booiiing has joined #maemo00:13
cbx33yeh i like the ubuntu numbers00:13
cbx33but then I'm a little biased, seeing as I was an ubuntu dev for a while ;)00:14
*** RushPL has quit IRC00:21
*** RushPL has joined #maemo00:22
*** chelli has quit IRC00:23
maddlerdum dee daa...00:26
*** red-zack has joined #maemo00:27
*** k-s has joined #maemo00:27
cbx33great tune there maddler00:32
cbx33:)00:32
K`zancbx33: Per your earlier comment, is ubuntu preferred over deb4 for development?00:36
*** booiiing has quit IRC00:38
cbx33heheh00:39
cbx33I dunno00:39
*** ol_schoola has joined #maemo00:39
cbx33I used debian and had problems like you're describing K`zan00:39
cbx33ubuntu Just Worked (tm)00:39
cbx33and continues for me00:39
K`zanSince I am starting over, I figured it is no problem to install much of anything.00:39
cbx33yeh i get problems occasionally, who doesn't in IT, but they are much less than any other OS I've ever used00:40
*** booiiing has joined #maemo00:40
K`zanDoesn't matter to me, I am not wed to any distro, they all have one problem or another :-).00:40
cbx33indeed00:40
K`zanTrue, exactly.00:40
cbx33personal opinion00:40
K`zanI'll go snarf the latest ubuntu...00:40
cbx33ko00:40
K`zanAn involved persons opinion :-).00:41
cbx33indeed00:41
cbx33though not as involved as I used to be00:41
cbx33been taking a break00:41
*** Tieku has joined #maemo00:41
K`zanSame here, too many distros, too little time.  Spend more time doing things now than masturbating distros :).00:42
cbx33heh00:42
K`zanAnd I can get kubuntu and not have to install kde over gnome.00:42
cbx33heheh00:42
cbx33yup00:42
* K`zan kde junky00:42
* cbx33 gnome junky00:42
K`zanwaiting for kde for the n80000:42
cbx33though atm running blackbox00:42
K`zan:-)00:42
cbx33this laptop is a little crappy00:43
K`zanJust never got inspired with gnome, although there are some nice elements of it.00:43
cbx33is maemo 4 out for development yet?00:43
K`zanAFAIK, that is what I thought I was going to install...00:46
* K`zan may be confused00:46
K`zanFaster from Swedemn than the US mirror...00:46
K`zanHaving to wait a whole hour and 20 minutes for a dvd iso, life is tough :)00:47
*** matt_c has joined #maemo00:50
*** booiiing has quit IRC01:00
*** booiiing has joined #maemo01:02
hugol1hi, Im trying to edit fstab in the n800, how can I do it?01:06
*** playya_ has joined #maemo01:06
hugol1Im trying vi, but how can I press the esc key in n800?01:06
*** rubiks has joined #maemo01:07
Fatalit's the backkey (circled arrow) on 770 atleast01:07
hugol1Fatal:  Ill try01:08
*** playya has quit IRC01:08
*** rubiks has quit IRC01:10
kaltsihugol1: you could also install nano from the bora sdk repository01:11
*** jacques has joined #maemo01:14
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC01:16
*** gnuite has quit IRC01:20
*** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo01:23
*** thoughtfix has joined #maemo01:23
hugol1kaltsi:  got it working, now can anyone tell me or point me to a webpage where I can see how do I have to edit fstab on the n800 so the nfs share will load at starup?01:28
*** Masca has joined #maemo01:35
*** GNUton has joined #maemo01:37
GNUtonHi01:38
*** kf6gpe has joined #maemo01:43
*** p| has quit IRC01:43
*** red-zack has quit IRC01:43
*** l7 has joined #maemo01:50
*** playya_ has quit IRC01:53
thoughtfixEvening01:54
*** pdz- has joined #maemo02:03
GNUtonthoughtfix: hey!02:04
thoughtfixWhat's new?02:04
zerojayHey Dan.02:05
zerojayHmm.. 12 point modified default themes for IT2008.02:06
thoughtfixI am without an OS2008 box02:07
* thoughtfix sobs02:07
zerojayI don't understand the long wait for us coupon users.02:07
*** pdz-_ has joined #maemo02:08
thoughtfixI don't understand it either02:08
thoughtfixbut it's a tough time02:08
zerojayI'd have thought we should be the first to get them, but whatever... probably won't have the money to get it anymore once the coupon does come through.02:09
thoughtfixAnnouncements, holiday season, then CES all in a row02:09
*** harkonen has joined #maemo02:10
*** topster has joined #maemo02:11
*** rubiks has joined #maemo02:11
zerojayI don't want to feel like an ass and complain about it because it's a huge discount, but still.. kind of feels like we were overlooked.02:11
harkonendoes anyone know where to get 2008OS for N800?02:11
zerojaytablets-dev.nokia.com02:12
thoughtfix... When it is released.02:12
harkonenoh02:12
harkonenonly for 810 now huh?02:12
*** bvsciguy has joined #maemo02:12
zerojayI don't think that you'd be all that interested in it right now.02:12
zerojayThe lack of apps...02:12
zerojayThe fact that RSS Reader segfaults...02:12
topsterdoes anyone know if the new skype 2.0b works on maemo? does it work with the webcam?02:13
zerojayThey didn't annouce it for the tablets.02:13
zerojayAnd no, it doesn't.02:13
*** harkonen has left #maemo02:13
rubiksHow do I clear the "Lock Device" option?02:13
zerojayrubiks: Send it to Nokia.02:13
zerojayIf you forgot the PIN.02:13
rubiksyup02:14
zerojayYeah, Nokia.02:14
zerojayThat's why it's written everywhere "DON'T FORGET THE PIN!!"02:15
rubiksif i'm root, can't i just clear it manually?02:15
zerojayNope, don't think so.02:15
zerojayEven after reflash, it's still there (though I think someone said the older original firmwares did clear the PIN at somepoint).02:15
rubikshum well, i guess it will be cleared when i load os2008. ;)02:16
zerojayNo.02:16
zerojayIt won't.02:16
*** tank17 has joined #maemo02:17
rubiksthere has to be something in root i can do.  its linux02:17
zerojayThere's not.02:17
zerojayIt's not like it's stored in the rootfs.02:17
zerojayIf it was, sure you could do something about it.02:18
zerojayBut it's not.02:18
toresbeis OS2008 for the N800 out?02:18
zerojayNot officially, no.02:18
toresbenot *officially*?02:18
*** pdz has quit IRC02:18
zerojayYes, not officially.02:18
toresbe*not* officially?02:18
toresbe:)02:18
zerojay...02:19
toresbezerojay: that is, is it available unofficially?02:19
disqanybody got modest/tinymail debs? don't have access to my build env right now02:19
disqfor chinook02:19
zerojaydisq: I've got some that Yerga sent me from SVN if you're interested.02:19
disqi am :)02:19
zerojayMaybe a week old.02:19
zerojaySend me an msg with your e-mail address.02:20
disqthanks a lot02:20
zerojayNo prob.02:20
zerojayI uninstalled it after playing with it for 5 minutes.02:20
zerojayLooks really good.02:20
toresbezerojay: Is it available on a testing basis?02:21
*** pdz- has quit IRC02:21
rubiks:(02:23
zerojaytoresbe: Are you the kind of user that doesn't mind having nearly no apps ported, files lots of bugs and follows maemo-developer?02:23
zerojaytoresbe: If not, don't ask.02:23
toresbezerojay: Yes, tmmmntja, not as well as I should, and not as ardently as I should.02:24
zerojaytoresbe: You'd be better off not bothering then because you'll probably just reflash back to 2007 for a few weeks anyways.02:24
zerojaydisq: Get it?02:25
toresbebut is it really in *that* bad a state? I mean, I've read Somewhere(tm) that the release is scheduled for november02:25
disqyep. great02:25
zerojayNo, it's not in that bad a state, but it's still unfinished.02:25
zerojayAnd that release was pushed back to December.02:25
toresbeI'll promise to file bugs. :P02:25
toresbeI may well try to work on fmradio if that's not ported. It's my favoritest thing ever.02:26
rubikswhat is the default lock code?02:26
zerojayrubiks: The user manual on your tablet is your friend.02:26
*** sp3000 has quit IRC02:26
zerojaytoresbe: They'll be releasing an update to IT2008 for the N810 in December at the same time as releasing IT2008 for the N800.02:27
toresbezerojay: ah, OK. I can wait it out as a beta tester. :002:27
zerojaySo unless you like an rss feed reader that segfaults every launch (if you even know what segfault means), I'd suggest you'd stay away.02:27
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC02:27
toresbeuh, yeah, I know what a segfault is, thank you.02:27
zerojayJust making sure. :)02:27
toresbehehe, I guess you can't make any assumptions. I'm a coder myself.02:28
zerojayI made the mistake of installing the latest little update to IT2008 which states "improved stability" in the changelog and suddenly RSS just doesn't work anymore.02:28
zerojayThe Home applet still works fine.02:28
toresbehah02:28
toresbeso, where's the link? I promise I won't complain (loudly) about how much isn't working well.02:28
zerojayBut clicking on a link to open the RSS feed reader just... opens the window and it dies right after.02:28
zerojayI already gave it to you.02:29
*** mazzen has quit IRC02:30
zerojaythoughtfix: Enjoying the eee?02:30
thoughtfixHmm02:30
thoughtfixIt's a combination of awesome and suck02:30
thoughtfixhehe02:30
bvsciguyratio?02:30
bvsciguyeh02:30
zerojayI was thinking that the 800x480 resolution on that big a screen would suck.02:30
timelyxkeesj: heh, that's one way to look at it :)02:30
thoughtfixDepends on what you want to do02:30
zerojayOne of my friends was leaning towards getting a tablet (especially after seeing me with mine) but is opting for the eee instead.02:31
toresbezerojay: where?02:31
thoughtfixhttp://flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2061038390/in/photostream/02:31
zerojayHaha.02:31
*** ML-37 has joined #maemo02:31
zerojayAwesome.02:31
_|Nix|_Woah! That thing weighs nearly a kilo ...02:32
toresbezerojay: You didn't give me any links I can find02:32
zerojayYour N95 doesn't write out the EXIF stuff?02:32
zerojaytoresbe: Someone else asked before you.02:32
zerojayScroll up.02:33
toresbeuhm, and they received what answer?02:33
toresbethere hasn't been an http:// link since 22:02.02:34
timelyxrubiks: i think technically as root you can clear the pin02:34
timelyxit's in the cal iirc02:34
rubiks?02:34
thoughtfixWhoa02:35
zerojaythoughtfix: If only Canada had decent data plans, I'd pick up an N95 right away. I decided to fool around with the one we have at work and took a few pictures with it. I was impressed (though a little lost in the UI, so much more used to working on S60).02:35
rubikscal iirc?02:35
thoughtfixflickr's geotagging on the N95+Shozu works perfectly. I'd better turn that off while home.02:35
toresbezerojay: hello?02:35
_Monkeyi heard hello was anyone using pidgen on their device?02:35
toresbezerojay: who did you tell it to? at what time?02:36
zerojayChrist.02:36
thoughtfixOkay... I am going to make a list of Eee "unacceptable omissions"02:36
timelyxrubiks: google.02:37
_Monkeyi guess google is my friend and you should make it your friend too02:37
*** l7_ has joined #maemo02:37
rubiksok02:37
toresbezerojay: there have been three http:// links since I joined. None of them were from you.02:37
thoughtfixLike Bluetooth, kernel sources for the hardware modules, a downloadable kernel source kit, the option to extend mount points to the flash card...02:37
timelyxthere's even a tool for it02:37
* zerojay sighs.02:37
toresbezerojay: *what*?02:38
thoughtfix_Monkey: Pidgin works wonderfully02:38
_Monkeythoughtfix: huh?02:38
toresbeI'm asking for a bloody URL. That has taken me 20 minutes.02:38
toresbefor fuck's sake.02:38
toresbeplease give me the link.02:38
zerojayOpen your eyes then, for fuck's sake.02:38
thoughtfix....02:38
thoughtfixYes. Insolence is exactly what you need to get what you want from IRC02:38
toresbe"insolence"!?02:39
toresbeso02:39
timelyxtoresbe: google02:39
_Monkeygoogle is, like, my friend and you should make it your friend too02:39
toresbeapproximately when did you answer the similar question to an unnamed individual?02:40
zerojaythoughtfix: Have you been finding it useful besides using it to use it?02:40
toresbeI *have* been googling before I asked the question here.02:40
timelyxtoresbe: it made news.com02:40
timelyxi wonder what you sought02:40
toresbetimelyx: but it hasn't made google, clearly02:40
toresbeI don't know the appropriate search terms anyway02:40
thoughtfixWell it was great for music playback and recipe keeping on Thursday. Spent the whole day in the kitchen02:40
zerojay12 point themes aren't anywhere near as useful in 2008, unfortunately.02:40
zerojayWell.. I guess it is fortunate in a way.02:41
timelyxzerojay: eh?02:41
toresbezerojay: can you tell me who the other fellow was that you answered, then?02:41
zerojaythoughtfix: I guess the bigger screen helps when you're in the kitchen following recipies and stuff.02:41
timelyxtoresbe: blah. a simple google search w/ the hints you have.02:42
zerojaytimelyx: http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./themes-chinook02:42
timelyxif you can't figure it out, you shouldn't use it02:42
timelyxheh, indeed, quite useless02:42
toresbezerojay: I finally found it in the backlog. Thanks for being completely useless, and being unfriendly in the process.02:42
zerojaytimelyx: Try them out, but I don't really see the point in using them on 2008 anyways.02:42
timelyxyour font isn't thumbable ;-b02:42
toresbeYou deserve a cookie, or something.02:42
timelyxcookies are delicious delicacies02:43
timelyx_Monkey cookies?02:43
_Monkeycookies are delicious delicacies02:43
timelyxgood bot.02:43
zerojaytoresbe: Yes, I'm useless because I was the one that couldn't find an address and was perfectly friendly up until you expected me to hold your hand, which shows that you clearly aren't ready for installing it to begin with.02:43
zerojaySo enjoy.02:43
toresbesheesh02:44
zerojayI look forward to your complaints.02:44
thoughtfixmmmmm cookies02:44
toresbe01:12 < zerojay> tablets-dev.nokia.com02:44
zerojayCookies would be nice right about now.02:44
toresbethat's the answer, is it?02:44
zerojaytoresbe: Yes.02:44
dasurfrdudeOMG02:44
dasurfrdudehttp://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9816300-7.html02:44
dasurfrdudeThere02:44
zerojaylol02:45
dasurfrdudeif your talking about os200802:45
rubikswhat tool are you talking about?02:45
timelyxrubiks: google02:45
_Monkeyhmmm... google is my friend and you should make it your friend too02:45
toresbeso the N810 software will actually run unmodified on an N800?02:45
zerojaythoughtfix: Since you seem to spend time in the kitchen, got any good recipe sites?02:46
toresbewhy have you been assuming I know this?02:46
rubiksbeen looking02:46
dasurfrdudetoresbe: Yes. Ive done it and gone back. Nothing to worry about02:46
timelyxnot sure if it actually lets you change it directly02:46
zerojayBecause I assumed you used Google at least.02:46
rubikspdf now reading02:46
timelyxbut it at least explains what  acal is02:46
thoughtfixoh most of my recipes are a combination of "something I find" plus "Whatever I have in the kitchen" plus "Ooops. I wonder how that will turn out."02:46
zerojaythoughtfix: Haha.. okay, cool.02:46
*** l7 has quit IRC02:46
toresbezerojay: I do use google. I haven't been using the right phrases, obviously. That's why you tend to interact with humans.02:47
thoughtfixBut since you asked - http://www.epicurious.com/02:47
timelyxthoughtfix: ever killed anyone that way? :)02:47
* timelyx is ever the pessimist02:47
thoughtfixtimelyx: An indictment is not a conviction02:47
timelyxtouche02:47
dasurfrdudeI used google. It took me one page of search results to find the news.com article.  Please do NOT argue over irc.02:47
dasurfrdudeIts gay.02:47
timelyxit's :(02:48
* timelyx frowns02:48
toresbewow02:48
zerojayYes, arguements sure do cause same-sex attraction.02:48
rubiksi feel like a dumb ass02:48
zerojayarguments02:48
toresbefirst, failing to use "it's" correctly, then using homosexuality as a negative. You win the intelligence award!02:48
dasurfrdudeWell, I can't imagine a masculine person getting pumped up in a chat room.02:48
zerojayAt least he was able to find the news.com article on Google.02:49
rubikslock device had default pass '12345'02:49
dasurfrdudeProps to zerojay :D02:49
toresbezerojay: I'd googled. "n800 chinook" doesn't get a single hit for news.com02:49
dasurfrdudeI googled "OS2008 on N800" the lower-intellect search phrase02:50
zerojaytoresbe: I guess you don't use the ITT forums or check out Planet Maemo very often then?02:50
toresbezerojay: no, i don't02:50
rubikshttp://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N800_UG_en.pdf02:50
zerojayOkay, that would explain it.02:50
toresbezerojay: for fuck's sake. I asked you a question. You could've replied with a URL.02:50
toresbeIt's as simple as that.02:51
_|Nix|_This is weird. I type "apt-cache policy libnss3" on my N800 and it tells me "http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages". Yet, when I add "deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free" to my N770, and run apt-get update, I get nothing.02:51
_|Nix|_Very strange.02:51
dasurfrdudeIf you ask google a question, it replies with a URL :D02:51
rubiks:)02:51
toresbedasurfrdude: not the right one02:51
timelyx_|Nix|_: um, we shouldn't be in bora02:51
dasurfrdudeIt's all about selection02:51
timelyxwe're supposed to be in extras or something02:51
_|Nix|_timelyx: OK, but this makes no sense. The same repo gives different results for N770 vs. N800?02:52
zerojaytoresbe: I like to help people. I do. I do it often. I don't help people that want to have their hand held through everything and that act like I owe them the help.02:52
* timelyx shrugs02:52
timelyxthere's no such thing as n77002:52
rubiksunofficial os2008 stable?02:52
* timelyx slaps _|Nix|_ with a marketing letter02:52
zerojaytoresbe: It's not my fault you missed the URL repeatedly.02:52
_|Nix|_Whatever ...02:52
toresbeYou _never pasted a URL which answered my question_02:52
dasurfrdudeOK! I posted the URL, everyone is fine now. MOVE ON02:53
toresbeyou pasted a URL to someone else 10 minutes before I asked my question, and after repeatedly saying "you don't want it", you then say "i've already answered" and refused to elaborate02:53
zerojaytoresbe: So go ahead and continue to complain and whine and whatever you choose to do. I told you that I had given the URL already and you made a lazy search through the scrollback. I'm over it and I'm going to go and have a nice dinner. Enjoy.02:53
*** matt_c has quit IRC02:54
toresbetechnically you hadn't given a URL actually, it didn't have the http:// prefix :P02:54
timelyxyou're not going to win points here02:54
timelyxif you can't find it w/ google, you aren't its intended audience02:54
timelyxto the extent such a creature exists02:54
dasurfrdudeLOL02:54
* toresbe facedesks02:54
timelyxas it isn't intended at all02:54
toresbeFFS, I write microcode for CPUs, and I repair problems with a soldering iron. I kinda consider myself to be a competent person.02:55
timelyxgoogle disagrees :)02:55
kaltsi_|Nix|_: I think the architecture for 770 is arm and for n800 it's armel..02:55
timelyxsorry, it's 3am on what was a saturday02:55
toresbeI googled for "chinook n800" and found nothing02:55
_|Nix|_kaltsi: No.02:55
timelyxkaltsi: no02:55
kaltsioh02:56
timelyxfor 2005 it was arm, for 2006/2007 it's armel02:56
kaltsiok :)02:56
_|Nix|_This is weird. After adding all the extras repos, now I get "http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages"02:56
timelyxand "architecture" is a bit of a strange word02:56
_|Nix|_But, WTF?! I had that in there before adding all the extras repos.02:56
timelyx_|Nix|_: apt is "special"?02:56
_|Nix|_Don't get me started.02:56
dasurfrdudeHey, i heard earlier someone say something about KDE on N800. Can anyone just gimme a yes or no on this?02:57
kaltsiarchitecture as in the architecture line in debian control file02:57
toresbedasurfrdude: google02:57
_Monkeygoogle is my friend and you should make it your friend too02:57
*** bedboi has quit IRC02:57
_|Nix|_My fault though ... should've looked on http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo202:57
toresbedasurfrdude: because if you can't find that out without google, you're an idiot02:57
toresbeand you shouldn't be using a Linux device.02:57
timelyx_|nix|_ according to http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ you should be able to read http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/gregale/install/microb-browser.install02:58
dasurfrdudeLol. Shut up dude. I found it on ITT. First result. Suck it up.02:58
*** bvsciguy has left #maemo02:58
timelyxdasurfrdude: there are people who come into this channel talking about it02:58
timelyxyou can read/search the log for the people02:58
timelyxpersonally, i consider it a waste of time02:58
timelyxnot because i have any love for hildon/gnome/gtk (i don't)02:59
dasurfrdudeI saw some pics.  Resolution is kinda off, but suprisingly well.02:59
timelyx_|Nix|_: ooh, the ui looks familiar :)02:59
dasurfrdudeI loathehildon02:59
_|Nix|_*sigh* ... I'm'na have to start a whole new project for pidgin-otr ... I wanna separate it from Pidgin, so that, with Pidgin, I can get away from using maemo-hackers.02:59
timelyx_|Nix|_: please file a bug about that site misspelling 770 :)03:00
_|Nix|_What? Where?03:00
timelyxlast url you listed, in the welcome paragraph03:00
_|Nix|_Mispeled? I don't see it.03:00
timelyx(also fails to use an "and" in the os list, odd given that it includes it in the product list)03:01
_|Nix|_Too bad it's not a wiki.03:01
timelyxHere you will find a collection of repositories for the Nokia N810, N800 and *N770* Internet Tablets running maemo IT OS 2008, 2007, ** 2006.03:01
timelyx**s added ...03:01
_|Nix|_And that's mispeled, how?03:01
timelyx'n' doesn't belong03:02
timelyxit's Nokia 77003:02
toresbeooooh.03:02
timelyxit isn't n series03:02
toresbeOS2008 is *hawt*03:02
timelyx#define hawt buggy03:02
_|Nix|_Whatever.03:02
rubikslater hackers03:03
*** rubiks has quit IRC03:03
*** Atarii has quit IRC03:04
toresbewhoa, holy shit03:05
toresbemy WLAN finder just found the WLAN of a friend of mine who lives four blocks from ehre03:05
doc|homehehe, yeah, the wifi on these things rock03:06
timelyxyeah, *finding* is good03:06
timelyxconnecting is a slightly different story03:06
toresbeheh03:06
doc|homeI've never had any problems03:06
toresbestill, that's fscking impressive, man03:06
toresbethis is downtown Oslo03:06
toresbeand through several buildings03:06
toresbewhat? they switched to microB? :(03:07
toresbeWhere's my Operaaa!03:07
timelyxit's dead jim03:07
timelyxif you want opera, you're free to pay opera software asa whatever they ask for it :)03:08
lopzre03:08
timelyxyou're probably local to them :)03:08
*** shackan has quit IRC03:09
doc|homegecko's kinda slow in general03:10
timelyxcare to be less vague?03:11
* timelyx can't fix "slow in general"03:11
timelyxif you mean slow to launch03:12
toresbetimelyx: yep, I've worked for them too, indirectly :)03:12
* toresbe is a rabid Opera zealot.03:12
doc|homethe gecko engine in comparison to opera, if you use epiphany vs opera, opera renders the pages much more quickly03:12
timelyxi can suggest that you want a less sucky ld toolchain03:12
timelyxdoc: sorry, that's not really less vague03:12
timelyxi mean, at least you're talking about pages and not launch time03:12
toresbe"rendering" is perfectly fine timelyx03:12
doc|homewell, I can't be more specific than that :)03:12
doc|homeI haven't profiled both of them or anything :)03:13
timelyxdoc: leave the profiling to me03:13
timelyxjust provide specific pages03:13
timelyxpreferably dead03:13
toresbeany large HTML page03:13
timelyxtoresbe: do you want me to find a large page where opera sucks?03:13
* timelyx can do it03:13
timelyxalthough, probably not at 3am03:13
* timelyx should sleep03:13
*** xan is now known as xan-afk03:13
doc|hometimelyx: engadget.com03:14
toresbeOpera is faster at damn near everything, while having a smaller binary size, more features, and better standards compliance.03:14
timelyxthat's a site. pick a page03:14
doc|homethe index page03:14
timelyx(preferably static)03:14
timelyxindex pages tend to change too often03:14
timelyxand i don't really feel like skipping sleep cycles03:14
timelyxsleep is apparently of some value/important03:14
timelyxs/t$/ce/03:14
toresbefor every page you find that Opera renders slower, I'm more than happy to show you ten that Gecko will do slower.03:15
doc|homeok, night03:15
timelyxtoresbe: anyway, if you can beat gecko's price w/ opera, someone might listen03:15
timelyxunfortunately atm, i think that price is an obstacle03:15
doc|homeeven if it was free, and open source, it'd still be faster :/03:16
doc|homein my usage ecperience03:16
* timelyx chuckles03:16
doc|home*experience03:16
* doc|home fails at typing today03:16
timelyxyou're saying being free or open source could make a product slower?03:16
doc|homechuckle all you like, few people would argue that03:16
timelyxthat's not very logical03:16
doc|homeno, I'm saying your price angle doesn't really change it being slower, which is the point we're trying to make03:17
timelyxi'm not really arguing speed03:17
timelyxi have two points:03:17
timelyx1. if you aren't complaining about a specific *page*03:17
timelyxi can't do anything03:17
timelyxand you're being annoying03:17
timelyx2. the reason gecko was chosen is probably not speed03:17
doc|homesorry for pointing out a flaw, my bad03:17
timelyxyou weren't pointing out a flaw03:18
timelyxyou were being annoying03:18
* doc|home thought Open development meant discussing these things03:18
doc|homeI'm not being "annoying", you may take it as such03:18
timelyxpointing out a flaw is saying that "on http://a/x/a.html, the page loads 10x slower because of the foo.css file "03:18
timelyxyou're not discussing03:18
timelyxyou're being annoying03:18
doc|homeok, look, forget it03:18
* doc|home does something productive03:18
timelyxfile a bug. include a real static url03:19
timelyxpreferably attach a zip file of the page03:19
doc|homesure, I'll do that, to which, mozilla.org?03:19
timelyxpreferably, yes03:19
timelyxotherwise you'll spend too much time dealing w/ me03:19
timelyxwhich really isn't a good use of anyone's time03:19
timelyxprobably read the top 4 items on http://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla%20performance&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 too03:20
* timelyx gives up pasting specific urls ...03:20
* doc|home avoids asking why those settings aren't defaults for fear it might be taken as being "annoying"03:21
timelyxnot sure which settings you mean03:21
timelyxbut generally speaking the people picking settings were stabbing in the dark03:21
doc|homesorry, thought you had linked me to a tweaks page03:21
timelyxthe results are pretty bad03:21
timelyxwhich one?03:22
timelyxwiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Home_Page03:22
timelyxwww.mozilla.org/quality/help/performance.html03:22
timelyxwww.mozilla.org/performance/tools.html03:22
timelyxwww.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=112303:22
timelyxnone of those /sounded/ like tweak pages to me, although i didn't read them thoroughly03:22
doc|homeand that would be why I said "sorry"03:23
timelyxstill curious which page you got03:23
timelyxi'm moderately interested in reading it03:23
*** greentux_ has joined #maemo03:24
*** cbx33 has quit IRC03:25
*** GreySim has joined #maemo03:26
GreySimDoes anyone know how to hide an application from the app menu in OS2007? I tried adding "NoDisplay=true" to the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon but that seems to get ignored.03:27
_|Nix|_OOooh! Pidgin 2.3.0 is out ... *crack knuckles*03:28
*** ML-37 has left #maemo03:29
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC03:30
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo03:30
*** bvsciguy has joined #maemo03:35
GreySimI guess not. I guess I'll just have to suck it up as yet another example of Hildon *almost* following existing standards but deviating just enough to be frustrating. :\03:36
timelyxGreySim: file a bug?03:36
*** bvsciguy has left #maemo03:36
*** Robdgreat has quit IRC03:36
K`zanNotice that kubuntu assumes a dhcp connection during install...03:38
K`zanBeen scanning the apt mirror for some time now at 82% into the install, sigh...03:38
*** bvsciguy has joined #maemo03:39
*** greentux has quit IRC03:40
GreySimtimelyx: I suppose I should, and will later. But in the meantime I need to finish moving the .desktop files of applications I don't use to .desktop.fake files, and hope there are no unseen repercussions.03:41
*** GreySim has quit IRC03:41
K`zanNever mind, it is that damn wireless router that gives itself out as the gateway, sigh.03:43
K`zanFixed that03:43
_|Nix|_Oh, that's brilliant ... /usr/lib/microb-engine/libnss3.so ...03:46
timelyxwhat's wrong?03:48
_|Nix|_The libs are not in /usr/lib03:48
timelyxthey're not properly versioned03:48
_|Nix|_Pidgin's not picking up nss.03:48
timelyxand don't belong in /usr/lib03:48
timelyxif you want to use them, get a contract from us03:48
timelyxotherwise they may change randomly03:48
timelyx(that's the way it works in real platforms, like solaris)03:49
*** catfarm has joined #maemo03:49
_|Nix|_They don't belong in /usr/lib? O_o03:49
timelyxyeah, polluting /usr/lib (should) require[s] a versioning story03:49
_|Nix|_Well, OKOK, there's a nss.pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig03:50
_|Nix|_So, I just gotta figure it out, I guess ...03:50
Robot101_|Nix|_: don't ptlo/resiak's packages fix that?03:50
_|Nix|_Aaaaah, that's what resiak was talking about ...03:50
_|Nix|_Yes, yes ... he gave me his configure.ac03:50
timelyxRobot101: eh, what's he doing?03:51
_|Nix|_He said he'd push it to i.p.p ...03:51
_|Nix|_timelyx: telepathy-haze03:51
_|Nix|_Meanwhile, I'll push it to omgp.p ...03:51
timelyxhe's just providing a configure.* file?03:51
Robot101timelyx: no, a patch to pidgin's configure.ac03:51
timelyxok03:51
timelyxso long as he isn't changing the system path :)03:52
timelyx_|Nix|_: basically, if someone wants to install minimo03:52
*** ptlo has joined #maemo03:52
*** matt_c has joined #maemo03:52
timelyxand it has a different version of libnss03:52
Robot101no, we know how to package things :)03:52
ptlo'evening03:52
timelyxbad things would happen if either of them are stupid enough to live in /usr/lib03:52
timelyxas such, they don't belong there03:52
timelyxRobot101: sorry, i don't trust packagers :)03:53
timelyx(as it happens, the original packaging of microb wasn't correct)03:53
timelyxso i'm speaking from experience :)03:54
Robot101timelyx: we're not packagers, we're developers. :)03:54
timelyxi don't trust those either, the packaging i believe was done by devs :)03:54
Robot101although about half of the company are also debian developers03:54
timelyxand they're my coworkers :)03:54
Robot101so many of us are both03:54
timelyxanyway, sounds like you aren't hurting too many things, so i'll go nap or something03:55
* timelyx has <5hrs03:55
*** matt_c has quit IRC03:56
*** Bodhammer has joined #maemo03:56
_|Nix|_Robot101: Interestingly, resiak's patch merely checks for microb-engine-nss.pc in addition to nss.pc, however, there is a symbolic link called nss.pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig that points to microb-engine-nss.pc ...03:58
Bodhammerhi all - quick question.  I want to port a command line application to Chinook.  I have the dev environment running as per the tutoriall03:59
Bodhammerhere http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.htm03:59
BodhammerShould I start with GNU sources or a Debian file?04:00
Bodhammerdebian package I mean04:00
timelyxdebian is arguably slightly easier04:03
*** k-s has quit IRC04:04
*** matt_c has joined #maemo04:07
Bodhammerdo I need to look for only ARM ports?04:11
BodhammerBTW - is this the right place for newbie questions?  I do not have a N8xx yes, but seriously condsidering a N81004:11
[pablo]Bodhammer: i'm sure people will be more than willing to answer your questions, i'm a newb too, just got mine and have been receive pretty well =)04:14
*** kf6gpe has quit IRC04:15
*** guardian has quit IRC04:17
_|Nix|_What's the command line to make /etc/ld-2.3.6.so list dependencies for a .so like ldd does?04:17
*** Bodhammer has quit IRC04:17
*** sciboy has quit IRC04:19
*** bilboed has quit IRC04:21
*** bvsciguy has left #maemo04:24
*** ptlo has quit IRC04:30
[pablo]i don't suppose anyone has ever heard of a bluetooth hsdpa modem that is dedicated and not a phone?04:32
*** Tieku has quit IRC04:35
*** topster has quit IRC04:40
GNUtonnight!04:41
_Monkeynight is so feminine...04:41
*** GNUton has quit IRC04:42
MoRpHeUz_Monkey: forget night04:50
_MonkeyMoRpHeUz: I forgot night04:50
catfarmknite04:52
*** lophyte has joined #maemo04:57
*** jeff1f has quit IRC05:00
*** sciboy has joined #maemo05:09
*** eton_ has quit IRC05:11
*** corevette has joined #maemo05:19
corevetteso kde 3 works on nokia internet tablets, has anyone tried kde 4?05:20
*** sciboy is now known as doofatus05:24
*** doofatus has left #maemo05:24
*** ab_ has joined #maemo05:30
*** ab has quit IRC05:30
*** bvsciguy has joined #maemo05:32
*** bvsciguy has left #maemo05:40
*** thoughtfix has quit IRC05:42
*** shackan has joined #maemo05:43
*** dolske has quit IRC05:51
*** dolske has joined #maemo05:54
*** corevette has left #maemo05:55
*** eton has joined #maemo06:01
*** eton has quit IRC06:02
*** tchan has quit IRC06:08
l7_so, did anyone score some good internet tablet gear deals on black friday?06:11
l7_the igo stowaway was 30 bucks on amazon06:11
l7_i'm wondering if there is a nicely discounted gps reciever or sd card out there though06:12
l7_gps?06:16
[pablo]fry's has a 2gig microsd for $806:18
l7_ah nice06:18
[pablo]i wish i woulda seen that before I spent $30 on mine heh06:19
*** ML-37 has joined #maemo06:19
l7_hrm that would be $16 for 4gigs06:19
l7_or $32 for 8gigs06:19
l7_i guess it's a nice deal06:19
[pablo]in seperate cards eyeah06:19
[pablo]the 8gig microSDHC cards should be coming out soon06:19
l7_yeah that's kinda tough06:19
[pablo]definitely getting one of those once they come out06:20
l7_ah you're running the n81006:20
[pablo]that's one thing I don't get about the n810, if they didn't have room for a full SD why not just go with microSD06:20
[pablo]yeah06:20
l7_yeah, i dunno if it's worth it to buy small cards for my n80006:20
[pablo]3 days now06:20
l7_there is a micro to mini adaptor06:20
[pablo]yeah i know, i got one, and i'm pretty sure 80% of 810 users will06:21
[pablo]the other 20% wont know it's an option heh06:21
[pablo]micro has a higher capacity than mini06:21
[pablo]and i dont think they are going to go any higher on mini, because they can just do it with micro06:21
l7_ah06:22
l7_http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=14262906:22
l7_yeah, there doesn't seem to be much incentive to develop mini06:22
[pablo]yeah, i got this little sandisk kit that came with a full sd and a minisd adapter06:23
l7_any idea if the quality of the adaptor matters?06:23
l7_nokia probably should have just given the n810 a microsd06:23
[pablo]that's what I think06:23
l7_i can't understand why they didn't, except as a last minute mistake06:23
[pablo]i also think nokia should make a bluetooth HSDPA modem for thier tablets06:24
l7_unless they really really want to sell their 16gb nokia branded minisds :)06:24
[pablo]if those existed they would be selling tons of them anyways =P06:24
l7_heh06:24
[pablo]if you look at the n810 accessories page on nokias site, it lists microsd cards and not mini lol06:25
l7_doesn't anyone else have HSDPA modems?06:25
[pablo]none that will work on a tablet, short of actual phones06:25
l7_i wonder where you can get dataplans for those anyhow06:25
[pablo]it would be the same as a cellular card for your laptop06:25
[pablo]just connect via bluetooth instead of pcmcia/express/usb06:26
l7_hrm, never had a cellular card06:27
l7_it is a cool idea though06:27
l7_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA#Adoption06:27
l7_So far, 171 device models from 47 suppliers have been launched, comprising: 53 handsets, 35 notebooks, 30 datacards, 19 wireless routers, 15 modems, 11 embedded module, 2 wireless modules, 1 wireless residential gateway, 1 media player, 1 camera, 1 GPS handset, 1 convergence platform & 1 baseband processor. For details, see gsmworld.com/HSPA.06:27
|Rfull SDHC would have been good with 32GB card around the corner next year...06:27
[pablo]yup, cellular speeds don't yet exceed EDR bluetooth speeds, so it wouldn't be a compromise at all, it could replace laptop cards06:27
*** ML-37 has left #maemo06:28
l7_i wonder if anyone out there is trying to hack one together06:28
[pablo]yeah, from what I understand though, they didn't go with full sd because of size issues06:28
pupnikso [pablo] how bout you disassemble your N810 and upload pics? ;)06:30
[pablo]you sir, are going to burn in hell for that LOL06:31
[pablo]i think you hurt it's feelings06:31
pupnik:)06:31
l7_lol06:31
pupniki'm curious whether that 2GB internal is surface mount on a board, or just some kind of card wedged in-to a corner06:32
[pablo] couldn't find anything accessible without removing the cover06:32
[pablo]i looked too06:32
[pablo]heh06:32
l7_there's one sure way to find out...06:32
l7_well two sure ways i guess06:32
[pablo]it's used up almost entirely with map data06:33
*** eton has joined #maemo06:33
[pablo]hopefully once maemo mapper gets to a working condition on the 810, i can remove all that crap and have 2 free gigs of storage =)06:33
pupniki'm confused - whats the diff between maemo mapper and built-in map application06:37
derfThey are not in any way related?06:37
pupnikthe default is gpsdrive?06:38
l7_everyone seems to say that maemo mapper is the best?06:42
pupnikseems so, but i want a map application that can cache a bunch of maps offline06:42
ThomasMAdding cache routines to a downloader is generally pretty trivial, especially if there's a single point of download entry (they all get queued through a specific method or class).06:43
*** tchan has joined #maemo06:44
*** matt_c has quit IRC06:44
l7_hrm, does anyone know which gps model thoughtfix has here?06:46
l7_http://tabletblog.com/2006/01/gps-arrived.html06:46
ThomasMpupnik: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ Looks to handle both having stored files and insta-downloading.06:46
pupnikyaay ty06:46
l7_it looks like an iblue 737, but maybe an older one06:47
ThomasMpupnik: It caches anything it downloads, or you could set something up to download all the maps you wanted in an area (would require a bit of math).06:47
derfNo it wouldn't.06:48
derfThere's a "download area" tab.06:48
ThomasMderf: Heh. A lot simpler than writing it from scratch.06:48
ThomasMI wrote something similar a while back to convert images into tiles that could be used in Google Maps overlays. The math's not non-trivial, but there is some good example code. You could take that to get the tile coordinates, and then set up a download queue, as a separate PC application.06:48
fysaI think Google broke it06:51
fysa?06:51
fysawas using something like that last year.06:51
ThomasMTo download a bunch of maps? You can still do it. You'd want to set your program up to take a while to execute if you're retrieving a huge set of tiles, and throw in extra, random waiting. No sense hammering their servers, especially where you should know you would need that in advance.06:57
ThomasMThere are no sudden "I need all of North Carolina from 8 to 17 zoom" decisions. :)06:57
*** ab_ is now known as ab07:00
K`zanJeez, ubuntu is a frigging MESS.07:00
l7_so who did you guys vote for in the n810 contest?07:01
K`zanBlew network setup totally and I seem to have separate screen resolutions for boot, kdm and user.07:02
K`zanBack to deb4, I'm tired of beating on it.07:02
pupniktry sidux07:03
l7_pupnik: the n810 seems to use this: http://www.wayfinder.com/internettablet07:04
l7_i think the 770 gps kit has the same thing07:05
*** niteOwl has left #maemo07:08
*** pupnik_ has joined #maemo07:09
*** pupnik has quit IRC07:22
*** matt_c has joined #maemo07:24
*** rkaway has quit IRC07:27
*** eton has quit IRC07:27
*** rkaway has joined #maemo07:29
*** ol_schoola has quit IRC07:42
*** ol_schoola has joined #maemo07:43
*** ThomasM has left #maemo07:43
*** l7_ has quit IRC07:45
*** l7 has joined #maemo07:46
*** astro76 has quit IRC07:50
l7coolest idea since the powerglove -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9954407:55
[pablo]tha's a lofty statement07:56
[pablo]the power glove was siiiiick07:56
|R:D07:56
|Ra windows watch?07:57
l7heh07:58
l7|R: an n800 glove!07:58
l7"I love the Power Glove...it's so bad!"07:58
pupnik_tech is not where i'd hoped it would be by 200507:59
|Rindeed...08:00
[pablo]i don't think it's where anyone thought it would be in 2005 =P08:01
*** jacques has quit IRC08:03
l7what do you mean?08:03
l7no flying cars yet?08:04
|Rno aluminium clothes either.. :(08:05
[pablo]ask and ye shall receive ... http://www.medievalware.com/Riveted-Aluminum-Mail-Shirt-p/300138rm.htm08:06
*** matt_c has quit IRC08:06
|Rhaha08:06
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC08:06
[pablo]pimp your self out in the style of the future |R!!!08:06
|Rthe future of the 11th century!08:07
|Rbe in the future, 10 century late :D08:07
*** Robdgreat has joined #maemo08:10
pupnik_ that's pretty cheap08:12
*** mwester-n has joined #maemo08:12
*** catfarm has quit IRC08:19
*** l7_ has joined #maemo08:20
*** l7 has quit IRC08:21
|Rany idea what could be used as a temper proof case with a lock that can be chained to something for the n8x0 ?08:23
|R(i'm thinking of something to lock the n8x0 to a city light or some similar situation)08:23
|RSo it can be used as temporary mesh relay boxes...08:24
[pablo]seems kind of expensive for relay boxes ...08:24
[pablo]plus no easy way to throw in an external antenna08:24
|Ryeah i know... could be something else i guess...08:25
|Rjust trying to figure out a lockable, easily transportable, temper proof case...08:25
*** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo08:25
|R(well not blow torch proof, but good enough to survive 12h in urban areas ;)08:25
[pablo]hmmm08:27
|Rlet's say, create a mesh route along a manifestation's path08:27
|Rso people can stream live to the net video/picture feed ;)08:27
[pablo]cheap firesafe's from wal-mart?08:27
|RDon't these things weight a ton ?08:27
|Ri could just go with huge safes yeah but uhm...08:27
|Rif i can't fit 4-6 in a backpack, it's kind of useless :)08:28
[pablo]oh08:28
[pablo]no truck? heh08:28
|Rhehe no :)08:28
|R(pretty theoretical problem in my head actually...)08:28
|RJust trying to create that crazy geek / cypherpunk utopia ;)08:29
|Rportable open devices + mesh + i2p + credential/openID based social net + whatever...08:29
[pablo]=)08:29
|Rreal p2p for the people :P08:30
zorancypherpunk was so goo idea that it must die08:31
zoran*good08:31
|Rhaha :)08:31
* |R is keepin' the dream alive! ;)08:32
zoranlasts a day to send mail, but who cares08:32
oilhi, would you be able to share your sources.list for n800/os2007 ?08:32
zoranI think all those servers has gone08:32
|Ryou're talking about a specific implementation?08:32
zoran|R, me?08:32
|Ryes? :)08:32
zoranhm, I cannot get account anymore. do you know any working box?08:33
zoranno nym-s or I can't find them08:35
|Rzoran : but you mean... nyms for ...?08:36
|Rwhen i said cyherpunk you seemed to have equated that with a software or product... i was just talking about the concept behind the movement :)08:36
zoranthis days it is not possible to move lines all over, but the idea is good08:36
zoran|R, yes, we are talking about the same thing08:37
|Rhave you tried I2P ?08:37
|Ri haven't yet... but it looks very promising08:37
zorantor is nice idea08:37
|Ronion routing at the IP layer :)08:37
|RI2P is like TOR on drugs08:37
|Rwell, from what i understand ;)08:38
zorantor is hatred from many isp-s etc08:38
zorannow I see how much I forgot about this topic!08:40
zoranmixminion is new term for me08:40
|Rhehe :)08:40
zoranand no more nym ar alike08:40
lopzbye08:44
zoran|R, interesting reading08:44
*** Dregz has quit IRC08:45
*** jacques has joined #maemo08:47
zoranbtw, most anonymous remailers used pgp only some time ago; gnupg now, I hope08:48
*** lopz has quit IRC08:48
|Rhehe haven't heard much about them since anon.penet.fi ;)08:48
zoranah, dead in 13th sentury08:49
zoran*centiry08:49
|Rhehe yeah08:49
zoran*century08:49
zoranI had an account and made files by the hand08:50
zoranit was the pleasure and cannot imagine app doing this08:50
pupnik_|R: cool re mesh08:51
*** jacques has quit IRC08:51
*** jacques has joined #maemo08:51
*** pupnik_ is now known as pupnik08:53
|Rpupnik_ : i talked to the OLSR guys and one guy from the company that paid to get an IP autoconfig plugin coded should release the code within a week08:53
|Rso with that we can get mobile adhoc mesh on / off automagically :]08:53
|R(at least i hope ;)08:53
pupnikwow08:54
|Rit's a good thing i asked08:54
|Rhe said nobody had asked for that code until now... go figure, i would have thought that this would be the most requested feature08:54
|Rmaybe it's still way to obscure or something...08:55
pupnikmaybe you need08:56
pupnika high laptop density08:56
pupnikwhat is the range between mesh nodes?08:57
K`zanNight all08:57
hugol1night? I just woke up08:57
hugol1;)08:57
|Ri still have no clues08:57
|Ri intend to learn at the same time i compile those softwares...08:57
|Rhehe 2 am here :)08:58
hugol1|R:  if I understand you, what you are trying to do is some kind of routing through peoples wifi?08:58
|Rhugol1 : yep08:59
hugol1that be cool, but do you think is doable besides trying to send an email to my neighbour? I mean what range do you think it can achieve in real live?09:00
*** K`zan has quit IRC09:00
|Rfirst thing first, p2p at OSI layer 1... than, you can work everywhere off net, or with net gateways but rellies less on carriers in emergency and as a ballance to their monopolistic tendancies ;)09:00
|Rhugol1 : range between nodes or overall length of multi-hop mesh networks?09:00
*** astro76 has joined #maemo09:01
*** tchan has quit IRC09:01
|Ri know a guy in australia played with the OLPC mesh and got a link from 2km away from multi-hop i guess (it didn't say in the video)09:01
hugol1|R:  overall lenght09:02
hugol1the best aplication I can see with this is calling your friends for free if they live near09:02
|Rbasically it's going to be 802.11b/g range multiplied by the number of people in a straight line09:03
|Rhehe yes that would be good, or walking in the forest with a group of friend and geotagging each other on a map over a mesh09:03
|Rdistributed music plugins?09:04
|Rwhatever!09:04
|Rhaha ;)09:04
*** tchan has joined #maemo09:04
|RI'd really like to push for more mesh use day to day to get away from carriers...09:05
*** astro76 has quit IRC09:05
|Rand than for I2P over that for a pseudonymous layer...09:05
|Rthan we can go back to the net as it was 15 years ago...09:05
hugol1|R:  geotagging with wifi works with a generous error range09:06
*** astro76 has joined #maemo09:07
|Ri was wondering how we could define trust (ecash/credentials?) to be able to do something like eBay but in a p2p way09:07
|Rhugol1 : but i mean, with GPS, not triangulation :)09:07
hugol1oh, I see09:07
hugol1|R:  actually with the wimax version, this you are talking about could be quite useful09:07
|Ryeah that too, as long as you securely transmit it and only to people you decide...09:08
* |R really has a crush on anything distributed for it's freedom/resilience potential ;)09:09
hugol1by the way, is there any web with a how to on how to get nfs on the n800 automatically, I have installed the packages, but everytime I reboot I have to insmod and then mount09:10
|Ri know there is Wizard Mounter...09:10
|Rbut i haven't tried it after installing it...09:10
hugol1|R:  it didnt worked for me09:10
|R(if that can be of any help, i don't know)09:10
|Rhehe ok09:10
hugol1the installation of the deb file failed09:10
[pablo]has anyone here gotten mplayer working on OS2008?09:11
* |R still waiting for his n810 discount code go signal to get 2008...09:11
zoran|R, there will be a lot of no-no from officials09:12
[pablo]the media that comes with os2008 has been choking on everything I have thrown at it09:12
[pablo]media player*09:12
*** zwnj has joined #maemo09:13
* |R dreams of a world where the n800 boots off an encrypted root (/) partition, mesh with their neighboor, log in to I2P and exchange psedonymously rich multicast-p2p data...09:13
*** Sho_ has quit IRC09:14
*** jott has joined #maemo09:14
zoran|R dreams of n800 having it's own will09:15
|Rhaha09:15
zorannot a big issue09:16
zoranpossible now09:16
|Ractually, i dream of pushing the open nature of technology to its limit09:16
zoranbut why if n800 has sudo as master manager09:16
|Rmaking even the network protocol behave like a human language ... that like real life can carry stuff efficiently in different way depending on your technical culture09:16
zoranteke a look at comp bios-es09:17
zoranthey all come more win friendly09:17
pupnikbluetooth is good for sharing info09:17
pupnikhmm09:17
* |R is way too abstract in general :|09:18
|Ri wrote a couple of articles way back on guerillartivism.net on that subject...09:18
zoranthere is new proposition protocom to replace wimax09:18
|Rwimax is going to be just ISP driven i think...09:18
zoranjust like |R dreams09:18
zorandriven by who wants it, probably09:19
zoranand a lot of people do not want09:19
zoranalmost none09:19
|Rwell, if it's the same price/speed as cable but without a cable... i'd take it i guess09:19
|Rbut it's still not "it"09:20
|Rhehe09:20
|R(but i would ditch my cell phone too)09:20
|Rpeer with my asterisk :)09:20
zoranbetter bandwidth and all gonna loveit09:20
|Ryeah, people are suckers for gizmos before freedom ;)09:21
|Rand thus america will die...09:21
zoranfreedom vs money and leasure time09:21
zoranpeople want one (MS) button with "on/off" on it09:22
pupniktelevision09:23
|Ractually it's more like, M$ wants to have ON/OFF on people's brain09:23
zoranor even w/o button, it shoule itself find when to be on09:23
zoran|R, it did09:23
zorangood friend of mine dislikes linux even he has so many probs with his win box09:24
zoranbetter nothing than linux09:24
zoransomeone saw movie "water machine" ?09:25
zoranabout folk making machine to work on water09:25
pupnik?09:25
|Rany good?09:25
zoranand industry measures to hide and destroy whole thing09:25
zoranfine movie, if you like the genre09:26
*** j0tt has quit IRC09:26
|Rok, going to bed, good night :)09:32
pupnikcheers09:32
[pablo]does anyone know of a repository that has the libmad0 package?09:33
*** l7_ has quit IRC09:36
*** rubiks has joined #maemo09:38
*** eton has joined #maemo09:41
*** cookie has joined #maemo09:43
cookiehello guys09:43
pupniki think this video finally snapped my brain09:43
pupnikhi09:43
_Monkeyhey, pupnik09:43
pupniksorry [pablo]09:43
cookieOn a nokia 770, is it possible to install OS2007 or OS 200809:43
cookie?09:43
pupnik2007HE yes09:44
cookiewhat is the Hacker Edition09:44
_Monkeyi heard the Hacker Edition was my friend.09:44
cookiewhat is the difference09:44
cookie?09:44
*** rubiks has quit IRC09:44
pupnikOS2007 is for N800  2007HE is for 77009:45
cookieyeah, but is there any difference? except this09:45
cookie?09:45
[pablo]pupnik: sorry for?09:45
pupnikdunno... try gronmayer09:45
cookiewhat does flashing mean?09:47
cookieupgrade the version of the os?09:47
pupnikyes09:51
pupnikor more precisely, to reinstall an image of an OS09:51
pupniks/reinstall/install/09:51
infobotpupnik meant: or more precisely, to install an image of an OS09:51
pupnikcookie: cookie 2007HE will be able to run most apps compiled for the N800 / OS200709:54
cookieoooh09:55
cookieIs it possible to run gcc on OS200609:55
cookielatest edition09:55
cookie?09:55
*** eton_ has joined #maemo09:56
pupnikdunno09:56
cookieDoes anybody have gcc installed on nokia 77009:57
cookie?09:57
pupniki don't know anyone who says "i use gcc on the tablet"09:57
cookiecan you install bash09:57
cookie?09:57
pupnikyes09:58
cookieor does it come with a shell09:58
cookie?09:58
pupnikcomes with busybox09:58
cookiewell, on bash you can have gcc09:58
cookieor at least you have apt09:58
cookieand you can use apt to install gcc09:58
pupnikthe shell is unrelated to the compiler.  gcc can be launched from csh, bsh, bash, zsh or busybox :)09:58
cookieyou're right09:59
pupnikbut if you mean, can you run command-line apps - yes it is easy and very much like a little linux computer :)09:59
pupnikis this cookie from angband?09:59
cookieangband09:59
cookie?09:59
cookiewhat is angband09:59
cookie?09:59
pupnikan old ASCII game09:59
pupnikroguelike10:00
cookiewell, it does have apt utilit, right?10:00
pupnikyes - works just like debian10:00
cookieutility*10:00
pupnikapt-get, apt-cache10:00
cookieperfect10:00
pupnikif i had a port open i could let you ssh onto mine and play around :)10:01
cookiethanks10:01
cookieyou can install sshd on the tablet10:01
cookiethat is soo cool10:01
pupnikyou're welcome - yes10:01
cookieand I gues ftpd too10:01
cookiethanks10:02
*** p| has joined #maemo10:02
*** eton_ has quit IRC10:05
*** erstazi has joined #maemo10:06
*** erstazi has left #maemo10:06
*** eton has quit IRC10:10
*** bergie has joined #maemo10:12
*** veriquex_ has joined #maemo10:13
veriquex_exit10:14
*** veriquex_ has quit IRC10:14
*** Ryback_ has quit IRC10:14
[pablo]i found libmad0 in extras-devel on maemo but it wont install =/10:20
[pablo]and adding the repo to my catalogue doesn't make it show up in application manager10:21
[pablo]i manually downloaded the file the repo points to and tried to install it10:21
*** ol_schoola has quit IRC10:24
pupnikwhat was the error?10:25
[pablo]Incompatible application package10:26
*** p| has quit IRC10:26
*** l7 has joined #maemo10:26
*** Pio has joined #maemo10:27
pupnikok do you have a terminal open [pablo] ?10:28
[pablo]yeah10:28
pupnikthen you should be able to install with10:29
pupnikapt-get install libmad010:29
[pablo]i cant get root10:30
pupnikok10:30
pupnikthese lib*** libraries *should* install automatically10:30
pupnikwhenever you install a package that requires them10:30
pupnikbut some packagers fail to include proper dependencies10:30
[pablo]yeah, but it's not showing as available10:30
[pablo]it says it's a dependency that's not provided10:31
pupniksecond - lib*** libraries don't show as regular installable packages in application managers10:31
pupniks/managers/manager10:31
[pablo]really? cuz a lot of them are listed there10:31
[pablo]i tried an apt-cache search for libmad010:31
[pablo]here is what I get ...10:31
pupniki mean in the GUI manager10:31
[pablo]some error about a bad entry in my sources.list10:32
[pablo]for devicescape10:32
*** cookie has quit IRC10:32
[pablo]i need to get root somehow to fix this heh10:32
pupnikyes or change entries in sources.list with app manager10:33
[pablo]i tried, it wont let me edit this one because it's malformed, and it's in /etc/apt/sources.list and not the seperate one for AM10:33
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo10:35
[pablo]sweet i got root =)10:36
oilbtw. do you know if I can make ukmp just to check the new covers, without starting the application itself?10:38
[pablo]well, that did it10:38
*** MoRpHeUz has quit IRC10:38
[pablo]that line in sources.list apparently kept it from updating all the sources not just the malformed one10:39
*** Prez has joined #maemo10:39
[pablo]mplayer showed up in AM and installed just fine once I fixed that10:39
[pablo]stupid devicescape10:39
Prezhello10:39
Prezis there an n800 channel, not specific maemo developer?10:39
[pablo]this is pretty much it, not everyone here is a developer10:39
Prezok, maybe someone can help me, I have checked all over te tablet, how can I remove my email account from n800?  i got too much mail and app doesn't open up and taking up lots of cycles10:40
Prezi want to remove email from tablet10:40
pupnikPrez: you can find the files taking up much room by using the terminal (xterm)10:41
pupnikthen delete them10:41
Prezpupnik: I actually want to disable my email account10:42
pupnikopen xterm10:42
pupniktype10:42
pupnikdu10:42
pupnikdunno how to do that10:42
Prezme either :-)10:42
PrezI cannot find anywhere to disable email like u can disable IM accounts10:42
[pablo]in os2008 you can only do it in the mail client10:44
[pablo]i ran into the same proble10:44
[pablo]m10:44
Prez[pablo]: ok, the internet app finally opened, super slow, trying to refresh ok, i see accounts in menu.. that must be it10:46
Prezmaybe there should be a setting in control panel10:46
Prezso as not to have to open client to configure accounts10:46
[pablo]well, the only reason it was done differently with IM and SIP was for 'presence' purposes10:48
[pablo]im and sip are, in theory, always on features of the tablet10:48
[pablo]mail is not10:48
czrmornink10:57
[pablo]morning10:57
_Monkeyaloha10:57
*** guardian has joined #maemo10:58
[pablo]mmm mplayer, no h264 support though =/10:58
pupnikmplayer seems to play everything i have... is h264 some apple thing?10:59
czrit's the codec used for some hdtv transmissions11:00
czrhardly anything to with apple11:00
czrabout 2-3 times as heavy as mpeg411:00
czrI think it's now part of mpeg4 as well, some high-end profile, might be mistaken as well11:01
pupnikoh yes, that thing that needs a pentium 2ghz to play back11:01
czror more11:01
czra friend is having difficulty decoding canal digital streams with a dual core (open source codec, there's a windows coded that uses both cores that is able to survive the streams)11:01
[pablo]it is being pimped by apple, and it does SD as well as HD11:02
db48xbetter quality though11:02
[pablo]ipod's play h26411:02
czrah. interesting.11:02
czrI thought it was more rare. but I don't follow apple stuff anyway.11:02
[pablo]i wouldn't expect the n810 to do HD h264 heh11:02
[pablo]but most standard quicktime format podcasts these days are encoded in h26411:02
pupnikfuck the word podcast11:03
pupnikpardon me11:04
[pablo]oh it's okay, i agree11:04
pupniki suppose it does have a valid semantic niche, and it's short and understandable11:04
[pablo]but most people look at you dumb when you say independent media or the like11:04
pupnikyeah - it will probably become generic like 'post it'11:05
[pablo]i was involved in independent media way before the term was coined11:05
[pablo]we didn't really call it anything though11:05
pupnikmhm11:05
*** tank17 has quit IRC11:06
[pablo]but yeah, independent media is the only kind I consume as far as broadcast goes11:06
[pablo]i refuse to watch broadcast television anymore11:06
pupnikditto11:07
[pablo]but I love me some entertainment11:07
[pablo]so i'm stuck with netflix and 'podcasts' heh11:07
pupnikyes -11:10
pupnikmuch better than the tv11:10
pupnikso many great clips online11:10
[pablo]i did fall victim to season one of heroes though11:11
[pablo]but i never watched it on tv heh11:11
* czr reminds himself about season 2 heroes11:12
czrI'm way back11:12
[pablo]i refuse to see any until it's all out11:13
czr"I refuse to work until they start running BSG again"11:13
[pablo]i hated being a slave to next weeks episode11:13
[pablo]lmao11:13
czrno need to be a slave :-)11:13
[pablo]oh but i was11:13
[pablo]at the end of a show11:13
[pablo]i just wanted the next one11:13
* czr knows what [pablo] means11:13
*** cmarcelo has quit IRC11:13
[pablo]so i'm just gonna hold out until i can have them =)11:14
czrinteresting strategy11:14
czrdo you hold off using software until it has no reported bugs left too? :-)11:14
*** kenne has quit IRC11:14
* czr hides & runs11:14
[pablo]hell no, that's fun, there is something I can actually do about that =)11:15
*** oil_ has joined #maemo11:15
* czr nods11:15
* czr needs some music to kick off the day11:16
[pablo]i vote for some dynamite hack - boyz in the good11:16
[pablo]hood*11:16
czrnp: Art of Trance: Easter Island (Original)11:16
czrI guess slightly different genre :-)11:16
[pablo]heh =)11:17
[pablo]trance would just put me back to sleep =)11:17
* czr shrugs11:18
[pablo]brb smoke break11:18
*** X-Fade has joined #maemo11:23
*** pdz has joined #maemo11:24
czrbleh. ironic that I'm not getting my sf pwd reset mail in order to send a patch against one program. bleh.11:24
guardianmorning11:25
_Monkeyaloha11:25
*** pleemans has joined #maemo11:27
*** oil has quit IRC11:28
*** X-Fade_ has quit IRC11:36
*** doublec has joined #maemo11:37
*** pdz-_ has quit IRC11:37
*** tank17 has joined #maemo11:41
*** l7 has quit IRC11:42
*** bilboed has joined #maemo11:59
*** Prez has quit IRC11:59
*** VimSi has joined #maemo11:59
*** vims0r has quit IRC12:01
*** ch4os_ has joined #maemo12:03
*** red-zack has joined #maemo12:07
*** playya has joined #maemo12:10
*** Ed77 has joined #maemo12:14
*** bedboi has joined #maemo12:33
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC12:36
*** sp3000 has joined #maemo12:39
*** Hugol2 has joined #maemo12:40
*** Ed77 has quit IRC12:43
*** pleemans has quit IRC12:45
*** playya_ has joined #maemo12:48
*** javamaniac has quit IRC12:53
*** Ed77 has joined #maemo12:56
*** playya has quit IRC12:57
*** Sho_ has joined #maemo13:01
*** red-zack has quit IRC13:06
Ed77Hi guys. Does anyone here happen to have N810 with non-English layout?13:07
*** t_s_o has quit IRC13:08
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo13:09
*** bedboi has quit IRC13:10
*** doublec has quit IRC13:15
*** booiiing has quit IRC13:16
*** bergie has quit IRC13:21
[pablo]Ed77: they don't really exist yet13:25
Ed77Well, I have Russian one :)13:25
[pablo]really?13:25
[pablo]how did you get it?13:25
Ed77Just got it. Never mind.13:26
[pablo]you should put up some pictures of it, it's been a pretty common request because nokia has yet to release any pictures of them13:26
Ed77Do you have N810?13:27
[pablo]a US one yes13:27
Ed77Good. Would you mind to test some application for it?13:27
Ed77It's tuxtype. Keyboard typing trainer.13:27
Ed77???13:29
[pablo]are you having a problem with it?13:29
Ed77Nope. But I want to be sure it works on sombody's else device before releasing it.13:30
[pablo]eh, I tend to stay away from alpha software13:31
Ed77OK. No problem.13:31
Ed77Just one question. How do you manage to distingwish between alpha and production software on maemo? Just curious :)13:33
*** t_s_o has quit IRC13:35
timelyxEd77: production software has been used on 100 devices w/o being officially blamed for deleting files or triggering reboots :)13:41
czrtimelyx, that's like ultra-production then :-)13:42
Hugol2timelyx:  ur too picky ;)13:42
Ed77The question is where to find this kind of info?13:42
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo13:44
czrEd77, the software that comes with the official image should be considered stable13:44
czranything you install from elsewhere depends on that software per se.13:45
* timelyx coughs13:46
timelyxczr: stable is an overstatement13:46
timelyxproduction's ok :)13:46
czrah, I meant to write production :-)13:46
czrstable is something I reserve for software which hasn't have any changes for at least a year normally :-)13:47
Ed77Now I get it. Everything from maemo/downloads and garage is considered unstable or alpha :)13:47
czralthough "unmaintained" is sometimes the same thing :-)13:47
czrEd77, you should check that projects' page and comments from people13:47
timelyxEd77: hrm, i think mameo/downloads might have a couple of things w/ > 100 downloads13:47
timelyxthose should be considered production13:47
* timelyx wouldn't consider anything stable13:48
timelyxheck, hello world is likely to break :)13:48
czrhello-world does break.13:48
czr:-)13:48
czrhello-world-app does at least.13:48
czrwhich is slightly ironic, but who am I to say anything :-)13:48
*** javamaniac has joined #maemo13:48
* truls thinks hello-world should atleast do some form of broadcasting13:48
trulsit's in the name13:48
czrheh13:49
timelyx /wallop13:49
trulsis anyone using scratchbox on ubuntu feisty, and can check if svn-buildpackage works?13:50
[pablo]if it's used been somewhat used(size of platform is taken into account) and hasn't caused any major problems, it's generally safe enough for me13:50
czrtruls, svn-buildpackage? how to check it?13:50
[pablo]if i'm the 1st/2nd person using it and I didn't write it, it's to alpha for me13:50
timelyxs/to/too/13:51
trulsczr: just run the command13:51
czrtruls, http://pastebin.com/m2b6b028413:51
czrincomplete perl install13:51
czrhmm. actually something more serious than that13:52
Ed77I'm using svn-buildpackage, but not on ubuntu. Does it matter if you're inside scratchbox?13:52
trulsczr: same problem i'm having13:52
* czr nods at trusl13:52
trulsEd77: yes, it links to the one outside i think13:52
czrtruls even13:52
Ed77Nope. My host system is old RedHat 9 without any svn-buildpackage.13:53
Ed77scratchbox is isolated environment by definition.13:53
timelyxnot really13:54
timelyxscratchbox is a hack with broken isolation13:54
timelyxit isn't a zone or a xen13:54
czrindeed13:54
* czr smacks tsavola for not using more glue when patching the holes for sbox13:54
timelyxscratchbox is interesting/useful because things can bleed from host13:54
czrwith a trout!13:54
Ed77I tend to disagree. At least for svn-buildpackage. It's isolated as I can see.13:55
timelyxEd77: that depends on how your sbox is configured13:55
timelyxbut technically it isn't true isolation13:55
Ed77Show me some example.13:55
czrif it would be isolated, the pastebin wouldn't show absolute paths wrt real host13:55
czrEd77, http://pastebin.com/m2b6b028413:56
timelyx  Bug 2373 - Garage web space never deletes filies13:57
_MonkeyBug 2373 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237313:57
timelyxpeople need to install the microb spellchecker :(13:57
Ed77those path are not actually real host paths. They exist inside scratchbox.13:57
timelyxanyone here delete horses often?13:57
timelyx(just females)13:57
czrtimeless, it's written using the diminutive form ;-)13:57
timelyxactually, that's probably fillies13:58
czrah, my bad Ed7713:58
Ed77Don't get me wrong. I agree that scratchbox is a hack. But in this case it doesn't matter. Host system has nothing to do with svn-buildpackage inside scratchbox.13:59
czrEd77, so svn-buildpackage is just broken then in the SD13:59
czrSDK even13:59
timelyxEd77: if you stick svn-buildpackage into the passthroughs and don't install it locally ;)13:59
Ed77Yes, it's broken in latest SDK.14:00
Ed77I'm using it in gregale and bora SDK. Works just fine.14:00
trulsi'm using bora sdk14:01
czrhmm. my pastebin was from chinook14:01
trulsbut i'm using newest scratchbox14:02
trulsbecause i first installed chinook and then added bora14:02
Ed77That's the problem may be. I'm still using old one.14:02
trulsso might be using newer maemo3-tools devkit or something14:03
Ed77And my own svn-buildpackage, which I got from Debian and built myself.14:03
czrhmm. I wonder where it's trying to pull RAND_status from14:03
trulsi added /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib (iirc) to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but didn't help14:04
trulsthat atleast made ldd think the stuff was ok14:04
Ed77If you really need it I can give you mine. Wana try it?14:04
czrah.14:05
czrlibcrypto14:05
timelyxczr: please move the xserver/osso-maemo bug to systemsoftware:x14:05
trulsEd77: sure14:05
czrtimeless, number please14:05
trulsEd77: if you just built it i guess i can just build my own though14:05
Ed77truls: Just a moment. I'll upload it somewhere.14:06
timelyxczr: *shrug*14:06
trulsEd77: no need14:06
czrtimeless, so what does the "please move the xserver/osso-maemo bug" then mean :-)14:07
czrI don't even remember having any xserver bugs14:07
timelyxit means i was using longlist and lost the bug number :)14:07
trulsEd77: i'll just fix one myself, but was hoping to fix the real problem in scratchbox14:07
czrtimelyx, bleh. I need a number :-)14:07
czrtruls, post a bug14:07
timelyxi gave you one14:08
czrhmm. seems there are other issues as well14:08
timelyxBugzilla Bug 237814:08
timelyxOS2008 App Manager errors with OS2007 catalogue .install files14:08
_MonkeyBug 2378 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237814:08
timelyxgah, what kind of users are these?14:08
* timelyx offers someone a cluebat14:09
timelyxplease use it14:09
czrtimelyx, it's not related to X in any way. the url is just an example.14:09
trulsczr: where?14:09
timelyxczr: those things are owned by the packagers14:09
timelyxwhich means it really should be one bug per component/packager14:09
czrtimeless, the same bug is repeated for almost every package. you suggest I replicate the bug for each?14:09
timelyxa bug assigned to daniels will probably be addressed14:10
timelyxa generic bug will get lost14:10
Ed77So, guys, does anybody want to test tuxtype on N810?14:10
* timelyx wants breakfast14:10
timelyxit's 2pm14:10
czrtimelyx, I doubt that daniels can single-handedly fix a process bug14:10
czrtruls, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45778/14:10
trulsczr: yeah, i know, strange thing is that's fixed if you add /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib (iirc) to LD_LIBRARY_PATH14:11
trulsbut svn-buildpackage still wont run14:11
timelyxczr: so will you invalidate that bug? :)14:12
czrtimelyx, of course not :-)14:12
timelyxi mean 237814:12
czrarr, give me a sec14:13
czr2378 has nothing to do with me14:13
czror you mean the subject? :-)14:13
czrinvalidating because of that would be just too nasty :-)14:14
timelyxsee expected results?14:14
czrah14:15
timelyxthe reporter does get points for including expected results :)14:15
timelyxotherwise you're right :)14:15
*** slomo has joined #maemo14:15
trulsEd77: replacing svn-buildpackage wouldn't really help, as it's just a perlscript14:16
* truls would have to replace the subversion-libs14:16
Ed77It would if you rename one in scratchbox.14:16
Ed77may be. Try it.14:16
truls?14:17
trulstry what?14:17
trulslike, exactly14:17
* truls can't even build the package yet though, too many tetex deps14:17
Ed77show me 'which svn-buildpackage' output14:18
Ed77should be something like /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn-buildpackage, right?14:18
*** playya_ has quit IRC14:18
truls/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/svn-buildpackage14:18
timelyxczr: wow14:19
timelyxhttp://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=Maemo-Icon-26&find=debian%2Fcontrol14:19
timelyxit really was the only hit14:19
Ed77OK. Go outside scratchbox and rename it to /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn-buildpackage.broken or something.14:19
czrtimelyx, I know14:19
Ed77Then install svn-buildpackage inside scratchbox.14:19
trulsEd77: i'll try when i can get it built14:20
timelyxczr: sorry, including search links is appreciated, it teaches people to use them :)14:20
Ed77I can give you mine if you want.14:20
Ed77I already offered :)14:20
trulsheh, i know :)14:20
trulsthanks14:20
czrtimelyx, what's weird14:21
czrhmmh.14:21
czrtimeless, why does the XB- get stripped when it hits into the Packages list?14:21
czrand why no other package contains this?14:21
czrI thought originally that the header just was misnamed or something14:21
czrbut it seems to be correct in the source control file14:21
czrtimelyx, did you add one?14:23
timelyx?14:24
czr"<timelyx> czr: sorry, including search links is appreciated, it teaches people to use them :)"14:24
timelyxno14:24
timelyxi'm trying to get dressed14:24
timelyxor read about required curvature for bananas14:24
czryou could do both14:24
timelyxplease don't ask me how to spell banana in finnish14:24
timelyxit's something i was supposed to learn on friday14:25
timelyxor whatever day that was14:25
czrhah14:25
* timelyx was supposed to learn the days of the week too14:25
Ed77banaani :)14:25
timelyxbanaaniss:a ?14:26
timelyx(in banana i trust?)14:26
tsavolaczr: lalalalalal i'm not listening14:26
Ed77Nope. that means 'on the banana'14:27
* timelyx grumbles14:27
Ed77or 'in banana' may be14:27
czrtsavola, that's why it was a trout. you cannot ignore a trout.14:27
czrbanaanissa means "in a banana"14:28
czrbanaanin paalla would be closest to "on the banana", but it's not good finnish :-)14:28
czralso, it just sounds plain weird, but I'm guessing it has to do with the unfrequent use of that concept. it's not like people leave their keys on bananas and such.14:29
timelyxi like fudge banaanissa :)14:29
timelyxice cream too14:30
czroddly enough, in finnish you'd say "fudge with banana" instead of using "in".14:30
czror ice cream with banana14:31
timelyxthats totally wrong!14:31
czrno it isn't. you're just incompatible with it :-)14:31
timelyxif i did that, i'd end up w/ a cup containing them14:31
timelyxcertainly that'd be the french result...14:31
czrI don't think "coffee with milk" is that uncommon?14:32
timelyxthat should be milk in its own pouring device14:32
czryou hardly ever hear people say "coffee with milk in it"14:32
timelyxmeasure and stir your own :)14:32
* czr puts timelyx in banaaniin.14:32
czryou're gonna go crazy because of finnish. sooner or later :-)14:33
timelyxwhat happens when i slip on a banana?14:33
timelyxbetter sooner?14:33
czrthat's a difficult question.14:33
czrI assume you'd first try to correct your balance by shiting your hands here and there14:33
Ed77does anyone know what's the right place to put application icon for menu? I put them under14:34
czrassuming that'd fail, you'd prolly next think "oh bugger", and then fall over in some uncomfortable way? :-)14:34
trulsEd77: ack, not buildable, missing debiandoc2pdf14:34
timelyxshiFting? :)14:34
* truls does something else14:34
czrshifting. true :-)14:34
timelyxi was more wondering about how i'd explain it in finnish14:34
czr"liukastuin banaaninkuoreen"14:34
Ed77there: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/hildon/ but menu shows default one.14:34
timelyxczr: which translatesS?14:35
Ed77truls: Well, what I can only repeat my offer :)14:35
czr"liukastuin = I "tripped, but actually more of a sliding thingy"", baanaaninkuoreen = into / because of, but really because an object, "bananapeel"14:35
trulsEd77: heh14:35
czrI'm not very good at translating language things really :-)14:36
czrI'm sure there's a proper translation for 'liukastua', but can't think of any right now14:36
czrkompastua would be "to trip over smt"14:36
czrliukas = slippery. if that helps :-)14:37
timelyxa bit, oddly :)14:37
czrand no. kompas does not mean "trippy" :-)14:37
timelyxheh14:38
hugol1czr:  you know how to get nfs automatically when the n800 reboots?14:38
czrhmm. a similar construct: viisas = wise. viisastua = to wisen up/to learn something14:38
hugol1or where would be the proper place file to put the insmod's?14:38
*** jhassine_ has joined #maemo14:39
czralthough not the same as "to learn" per se. more of a life experience thingy14:39
pupnikwrite a script czr - test for connection - does os2008 have ping yet?14:39
czrpupnik?14:39
pupniki think ITOS uses /etc/rc scripts14:39
czryeah but I'm an innocent bystander :-)14:39
czrhugol1, I don't know. I wouldn't mount nfs automatically14:40
czron boot that is14:40
hugol1czr:  why?14:40
czrhugol1, what happens when there is no network connectivity? what happens when you shut down your server?14:41
timelyxczr: fun hangs14:41
timelyxwhat else? :)14:41
hugol1Ic, so I better get some way of broadcasting music right?14:42
hugol1any opinions on Canola?14:42
hugol1its not open source yet14:42
czror, you could write a script that will do the mount. then write another one that will umount, and use those14:43
czrare build the autofs module for n800/n810 and use that with automounter and hope it works14:44
czrthere are many ways. but mounting nfs at boot is not a good one, with a mobile device especially14:44
pupnikoh sorry i meant hugol114:45
Hugol2Ok14:45
timelyxnot using nfs is best ;-)14:45
timelyxnfs is hazardous to device stability ;-)14:45
Hugol2I think ill broadcast14:46
timelyxshoutcast ;-)14:47
zerojayYes, shoutcast. :)14:48
*** pvanhoof has joined #maemo14:51
*** pvanhoof has joined #maemo15:02
*** tank17 has quit IRC15:03
*** playya has joined #maemo15:04
*** rubiks has joined #maemo15:06
rubiksmorning15:07
_Monkeyaloha15:07
rubikstodo bien?15:08
*** shackan has quit IRC15:21
*** red-zack has joined #maemo15:24
*** shackan has joined #maemo15:27
[pablo]rubiks: do you follow your namesake? =P15:29
rubiksmeaning?15:29
[pablo]rubiks cubes15:30
rubikscan i complete the rubiks cube?15:30
[pablo]you solve?15:30
rubiksyes15:30
[pablo]speed cubing specifically i guess15:30
rubiksyes15:30
rubiks21 secs15:30
[pablo]nice15:30
[pablo]what method?15:30
rubikshum...15:31
rubiksnot sure, because i normally use all methods15:31
rubiksi have chris based15:31
rubiksnot sure of the name15:32
[pablo]*nod*15:32
[pablo]don't run into many cubers outside of that community15:33
rubikshttp://www.speedcubing.com/chris/15:33
rubiksnot sure of the name's method15:34
zerojayDidn't know there was a 6x6.15:34
rubiks:)15:34
zerojayOh, they plan it all ahead of time.15:34
zerojayBleh.15:35
zerojayThat makes it a lot less impressive.15:35
rubiksyeah15:35
rubiksi go by  skibur15:35
[pablo]zerojay: really?15:36
[pablo]they only have 15-30 seconds to plan it15:36
rubikshandle since 199915:36
[pablo]the planning part is the skill15:36
zerojayOn that page he just posted, the guy says he has 2 hours of planning time.15:36
[pablo]i can't quite get that part down15:36
[pablo]for a single solve?15:36
zerojaySo is there special cube grease I don't know about because I've never seen a cube spin that easily.15:37
*** jeff1f has joined #maemo15:37
[pablo]it's not really special15:37
[pablo]most people just use silicon15:38
rubiksI remember when cubers were unique, now we have many buying books15:38
zerojayI had never heard of there even being a community for that until now.15:38
[pablo]i've only been doing it for a couple years15:38
rubiks:)15:38
[pablo]i'm not old skool heh15:38
zerojayI'm not surprised there is one, but just didnt know about it.15:38
zerojayLearn something new everyday.15:39
rubiksI've done it on many talent show15:39
rubiksalways win15:39
rubiksuntil the last one15:39
zerojayMy kid took an interest in it last week when he found mine. He had no idea what it was.15:40
[pablo]nice15:40
[pablo]the little ones learn it so much faster =)15:41
rubiksjudges told me that it was not orginal anymore, so I lost to SINGING and DANCE.  What kinda crap is that!15:41
czrrubiks, next time sing while solving15:42
[pablo]i wonder if that's what the second guy who climbed everest thought .. "you know, this just isn't original anymore, get me off of this rock"15:42
[pablo]lol15:42
rubikslol15:42
czror. hop on one leg15:43
* czr suggests a combination of all three15:43
[pablo]what about blindfolded solving?15:43
czrtoo obvious15:43
czrsolving with hands behind your back15:43
czrthat'd be something15:43
rubiksI can break dance. wind mil while solving the cube. :)15:43
czrthat'd work15:43
[pablo]solve with your feet!15:43
[pablo]oh i've got it!15:44
[pablo]so you have 3 cubes right15:44
[pablo]scramble them all15:44
[pablo]study each for 15 seconds15:44
[pablo]then start juggling them for a minute or so15:44
[pablo]when you're done15:44
[pablo]they are all solved15:44
czrthat'd be pretty impressive15:44
rubikslol15:44
[pablo]singing and dancing? pwned indeed!15:44
czr+ break dance15:45
[pablo]haha water almost came out of my nose just now15:45
[pablo]thanks czr15:45
czrsry :-)15:45
pupniki hated not solving the cube15:45
[pablo]pupnik: then you should have solved it15:46
[pablo]heh15:46
rubikscubing was great, now I just stick to developing for linux on the Nintendo DS.15:46
zerojayOne of the guys in my company got fired for doing the same.15:47
czrbleh. I hate it when crond doesn't pick up on new cronjobs instantly15:47
zerojayNot for working on DS linux, but because he leaked proprietary info on the DS which lead to them figuring out the framebuffer way back.. couple of years ago.15:48
czrsloppy :-)15:48
zerojayHe did it on purpose.15:49
czrsloppy for not using freenet :-)15:49
zerojayJust didn't realize it was proprietary.15:49
czrah. that sucks15:49
zerojayNo, not really.15:49
rubiks:(15:49
zerojayHe was an asshole. lol15:49
czr:-)15:50
rubiksso I'm fueling a criminal?15:50
zerojayTwo years later, he still sings songs about how he was forced to work 80 hour weeks (which never happened).15:50
czrrubiks, depends on whether you're drinking benzene or not :-)15:50
zerojayYes, he wrote a song about it.15:50
czrheh15:50
[pablo]i hope he doesn't literally sing them15:50
[pablo]that would be awkward15:50
zerojayYeah, he does.15:51
rubikslol15:51
[pablo]wow15:51
czr80 is pretty steep though. for couple of weeks doable but after that it's not all that productive15:51
zerojayczr: He never did more than 45 in a week, but was telling everyone he did 80.15:51
czrmaybe he wasn't too good at math :-)15:51
czrhence the singing career15:51
zerojayHeh.. that's bad news for someone that's supposed to be a kick ass programmer. ;)15:52
rubiksI would rather listen 2 alica keys 'no one'15:52
czrhe got his ass kicked, didn't he? :-)15:52
rubiks;)15:52
zerojayNo, because he sings with several other no-talents at parks and stuff.15:52
czrthey're also kicked assed programmers? :-)15:53
[pablo]his name isn't stallman is it? He sings on occasion too15:53
zerojayAnd they tape each other's "gigs".15:53
czrhah pablo15:53
zerojayHaha.15:53
[pablo]such a great song =)15:53
[pablo]lol15:53
rubiks:p15:53
rubikslink?15:54
[pablo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw15:55
*** playya_ has joined #maemo15:55
[pablo]there are better ones15:56
[pablo]but i think that one has more of an RMS feel to it15:56
[pablo]nothing like RMS singing acapella to bring the room down lol15:58
*** kabtoffe has quit IRC15:59
*** kabtoffe has joined #maemo16:04
fysayou can get nfs to not hang with the proper options -- it can quite nearly automount transparently.16:05
rubiksnice16:08
*** playya has quit IRC16:09
rubikswell hackers, making breakfast.  anybody want pancakes?16:09
[pablo]waffles?16:10
[pablo]actually, sleep =)16:10
[pablo]later folks16:10
rubikslater16:11
rubikswell... I'm off 216:11
*** rubiks has quit IRC16:11
Hugol2fysa:  you have a link where i can read about those nfs options?16:14
*** Synchronicity has joined #maemo16:36
*** svu has quit IRC16:44
*** svu has joined #maemo16:45
*** martinh has joined #maemo16:50
*** _pcfe_ has joined #maemo16:53
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo16:53
fysaspacepants:/spacepants/media /spacepants/media nfs soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp,user17:01
fysathat's the fstab I use in my HTPC to automount the fileserver and remount when necessary.17:01
fysait kills locks when the server is down, so apps won't hang.17:02
fysathat same line should work, but you can man mount_nfs or something to see the meanings.17:02
fysabg,soft,intr are the most important for keeping things from locking and automounting17:02
fysamost of the others are performance-related17:02
Hugol2fysa:  sounds great im going to try17:04
fysayou using os2008?17:04
Hugol2No im on n80017:05
*** mazzen has joined #maemo17:05
Hugol2I know some versions of 2008 are out but waiting for the oficial release17:06
Hugol2Does it matter?17:06
*** Atarii has joined #maemo17:11
*** mk8 has joined #maemo17:15
*** jhassine_ has quit IRC17:17
*** martinh has quit IRC17:30
*** astro76 has quit IRC17:32
*** ol_schoola has joined #maemo17:41
*** edt has joined #maemo17:46
edtwhat has to be done to allow networking to work with a box setup for dual boot (os2008 in flash and os2007 on removeable)?17:47
edtIs it just a mater of moving the wifi module from os2008 to os2007 or is a completely different module needed?17:48
pupnikare you sure it's possible to multiboot 2007 and 2008 on a n8x017:49
edtand maybe new utils on the os2007 image?17:49
edtyes17:49
edtbut wifi does not work on the os2007 boot17:49
pupnikaahh17:49
edthense the questions17:49
edtI sort of doubt that the older modules from the .18? kernel work with the .21 kernel on the new image17:50
pupnikmaybe 2007 can be modified to work with 2008 kernel wifi driver17:51
zerojayTry it and find out.17:51
edtpupnik it probably can...  but module formats can change with kernel releases...  I was wondering if anyone else had figured out how to make it work17:52
edtI have a few apps that I would like to have with os2007 that are not available for 08...17:53
*** sven-tek has joined #maemo17:53
edtmind you if the browser & media player are backported I would stay with os2007 for a few more months17:54
pupnikshare your knowledge on a forum thread or wiki, maybe others can help17:54
captlloydMy Internet Phone Call (Google Talk) doesn't work on my N810, I can make calls, but noone hears me and I don't hear them17:54
captlloydNot sure where to start17:54
zerojaycaptlloyd: Most likely a firewall problem.17:54
edtcaptllooyd is this with the image from this friday's update17:54
captlloydits the most recent one, I installed it on Friday17:55
zerojayI might go back to 42-18.. 42-19 has a busted RSS feed reader.17:55
*** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC17:55
captlloydHmm, the feed reader is working fine17:55
captlloydfor me17:55
zerojaysegfaults on every launch for me.17:55
captlloydWeird17:55
zerojayAnd I'm not talking about the home applet.17:55
edtcaptllooyd zerojay is write check your firewall (or isps restrictions) and/or try a different connection17:56
captlloydI use the home applet to launch the reader and it works fine17:56
captlloydHmm17:56
captlloydWhat does my firewall have to do special in order to allow talk I wonder.17:56
captlloydI'll check17:56
edtzerojay what is not working in the rss reader17:56
zerojayMight be NAT.17:56
zerojayedt: Nothing.17:56
zerojayer..17:57
zerojayI mean everything.17:57
zerojayRunning it results in the window popping up and disappearing.17:57
zerojayThe app segfaults.17:57
zerojayMaybe doesn't like one of my feeds.17:57
edtcaptlloynd nat or blocked ports.  Some isp just let a few ports thru (in effect they are web providers NOT internet providers)17:57
*** mwester-n has quit IRC17:57
zoranmd5 check?17:57
zoranah, sorry, wrong screen17:58
edtzerojay does a reboot help17:58
*** freakazoid0223 has joined #maemo17:58
edtI have had rss stall on os2007 and reboots fix it17:58
zerojayLike I said, always segfaults.17:58
zerojayReboot or not.17:58
captlloydI'm using NAT, I'm looking for docs on what ports need to be forwarded17:58
captlloydzerojay: I would think it was maybe a feed it didn't like17:59
edtis textra / geekbrief tv working with the new os2008 image17:59
captlloydI hadn't used it before I upgraded to 19.17:59
hugol1where is the best place to have the system do insmod rpc.ko/insmod lock.ko/insmod nfs.ko at startup?17:59
zerojaylocal.start, perhaps.18:00
hugol1or a better way to have nfs load at startup18:00
zoransoft one18:00
hugol1zerojay:  local.start is suposed to be at /etc?18:01
zerojayhugol1: I don't remember offhand. I think it's supposed to be in rc.d/18:01
zerojayat /etc/rc.d/18:01
zerojayMight be wrong though.18:02
hugol1zerojay:  theres 0 to 6 and S rc.d18:02
edtput it in rd.d18:02
zerojayhugol1: I don't know then. Could be that the tablet doesn't have it.18:03
edtlink to the rc.d copy from rc.218:03
zoranif it is made teh same way as on 770, I could check where I put it18:03
edtsomething linke ln -s ../rc.d/local.start S99local.start18:03
zoranneed time to boot  :)18:04
edtwhen in the rc.d dir18:04
hugol1edt:  if I put the file directly into init.d and do the symlinc to there will be fine as well?18:05
edtI think so18:05
sven-tekWhere are password (hashes) stored? there is no /etc/shadow ? Did not found em yet :-)18:06
zoran/etc/init.d/minircS18:06
zoranjust bellow the path18:06
edthugol1 I found that using the filemanager app with large samba dirs would stall my n800.18:07
edtcommand line was ok though18:07
Ed77sven-tek: there is no shadow there. Only plain passwd.18:08
Ed77I mean shadow is not used at all.18:08
sven-tekplain, wow i did not grep for that :-/18:08
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo18:08
*** yerga has joined #maemo18:09
edtsven-tek at least they did not make it use root all the time - there is some security...18:09
hugol1edt:  with nfs its allright. the filemanager (the gui) loaded like 300 gigs of audio and video fine18:10
hugol1"fine"18:10
hugol1looking arround in google for nfs with n800 I read that nfs offered better performance than samba in the n80018:10
hugol1like 30% better in video or something like that18:11
edtgood to know - samba 'sucked' on the n80018:11
*** ywwg has joined #maemo18:11
edtmaybe sucked is a little to strong a word...18:11
zoranhugol1, the protocols depend on who made storage available18:12
hugol1zoran:  what?18:13
zoransamba, nfs...18:13
hugol1you mean that the performance depens more on the server than on the client?18:13
zoranno, you cannot choose18:14
zoranif I give you nfs, no way to complain18:14
*** Hugol2 has left #maemo18:14
zoranmaybe is the amount of data too much for traffic under18:15
zoranbtw, fuse?18:15
hugol1zoran:  yes, but if Im setting the server as well then I can choose...18:16
zoran:)18:16
zorannfs mounts it18:17
zoranwould be fine to see traffic graphicon with those 2 protocols18:17
*** mk8 has quit IRC18:17
zoranhugol1, is it world readable or just local net?18:18
ol_schooladoes anyone stateside really need an 810, really bad?18:18
ol_schoolai'm going downtown in a few hours to see the Bears game and can stop at the Nokia store18:19
zerojayol_schoola: Sure, why?18:19
zerojayOh.. never mind.18:19
zerojayThanks for the offer.18:19
ol_schoolajust offering. i called them and they have plenty in stock18:19
zerojayGot the dev discount that I still can't use. :/18:19
ol_schoolai'm still having a blast with this month old 800 and don't see the need to upgrade18:20
*** richieeee72 has joined #maemo18:20
ol_schoolabut can pick one up if for anyone having trouble online18:20
*** dneary has joined #maemo18:21
*** richieeee72 has left #maemo18:21
zoranlooks more like buying new device than upgrade  :)18:21
zerojayWish I had the money to just get one straight.18:21
ol_schoolathere's a UPS store right down the way, conveniently with free Wifi18:21
*** ywwg has quit IRC18:25
*** ch4os_ has quit IRC18:28
timelyxzerojay: you guys are looking at the hardware wrong18:29
timelyxinvest your usd in eur, and wait18:29
timelyxthen when you can spend that 100usd, convert back18:29
zerojaytimelyx: Huh? What?18:29
timelyxand take the difference :)18:29
zerojayHah.18:29
zoraneven if it takes 100 years?18:29
sven-tekthink i found a os08 bug, i opened a radio stream (real) in the media player. I can not add that stream to my libary now easy18:29
*** lmoura has quit IRC18:29
timelyxespecially?18:29
timelyxthink about the profit on that original usd :)18:29
*** dockane_ has joined #maemo18:30
*** dockane has quit IRC18:30
timelyxsven-tek: url?18:30
zerojayI'm just happy I can laugh at my American friends about the Canadian dollar being higher. :)18:30
sven-tekhttp://www.radioemscherlippe.de/fileadmin/template/webradiopopup.html18:31
zerojayI've reflashed the 2008 update just in case I missed something the last time which caused the RSS feed reader to segfault.18:31
timelyxhrm, i have a bond movie saved18:31
zoranfine reader is rawdog, written in python18:32
timelyxit's brosnan too18:32
*** chelli has joined #maemo18:32
zerojayDon't want another reader.18:32
zerojayI want this one.18:32
timelyxwhat's my wep key?18:33
zerojaytimelyx: 0xDEADBEEF18:33
*** lmoura has joined #maemo18:34
zoranwhat kind of bluetooth client is on n800/810? something like obexapp or graphical front end over something else?18:35
zerojayNope, still segfaults.18:35
*** k-s has joined #maemo18:35
timelyxsven-tek: what do i click?18:36
edtzerojay I would be nice if nokia provided .debs of packages on the image.  On one of my os2007 images much of mediaplayer does not work.18:37
zerojayYou must have made changes then.18:38
edtnothing I do seems to fix it.  I would love to be able to reinstall just mediaplayer18:38
edtzerojay who know to what?18:38
sven-tektimelyx, are you on n800? there should be a button18:38
timelyxn810...18:38
_Monkeysomebody said n810 was a mixed blessing. sure it got gps and keyboard. but it got one less memory slot...18:38
timelyxwhat do you mean button?18:38
zerojayLooks like removing my backed up feeds now lets the RSS feed reader work.. must have been one of my feeds fucking it up.18:39
* zerojay goes to update his bug.18:39
edtI have tried recoping all gst stuff from a clean install along with the mediaplayer files (as determined with dplg -L) but something is still messed up18:39
timelyxedt: strace ;-)18:39
timelyx(just to get a complete list of interesting files)18:39
edtit loads mediaplayer, buffers the video, then complains18:39
edttimelyz ya18:40
timelyxedt: my guess is nokia doesn't want to make it easy for you to copy selective proprietary bits18:40
timelyxcertainly, i wouldn't18:40
* timelyx pokes sven-tek18:40
timelyxcare to specify what the button says?18:40
timelyxsome of us don't read german18:40
zerojayedt: What video would that be? What resolution?18:41
sven-tekno video, only radio stream18:41
timelyxoh18:41
sven-tekit works playing it on my n800 with os0818:41
timelyxsorry, you should have said to enable the real plugin18:41
* timelyx doesn't enable plugins :)18:41
sven-tekonly thingy i miss is a menu-option to add the stream to my fav18:42
zerojayLook at the page source, perhaps?18:42
sven-tekid like to see noscript and adblock for the browser...18:42
sven-teksure i can find out some way - but os07 had the menu option. os08 not18:42
zerojayI've already got ad blocking with Greasemonkey.18:42
timelyxi asked the noscript author to port noscript18:43
* timelyx needs to bug him18:43
*** Synchronicity has quit IRC18:44
timelyxsven-tek: interesting18:44
timelyxyou could of course save the playlist18:45
timelyxbut that's stupid18:45
timelyxand you can't get clip details18:45
timelyxfile a bug, add media bookmark should arguably prefill w/ the current url18:45
*** the-FoX has joined #maemo18:45
the-FoXhello18:45
the-FoXi try to start mobile mythtv, anyone ever tested this software?18:46
timelyxthe-FoX: google?18:47
_Monkeygoogle is my friend and you should make it your friend too18:47
the-FoXgoogle is my friend too, thanks! i already googled, but didn't find any helpfull informations to resolve my problem18:48
the-FoXthanks and bye18:48
*** sven-tek has quit IRC18:49
*** the-FoX has left #maemo18:53
*** Ryback_ has joined #maemo18:53
*** booiiing has joined #maemo18:54
* sp3000 <3 tracker-search-tool: Results -9 - 0 of 2418:57
timelyxheh18:57
*** _pcfe_ has quit IRC18:57
timelyxnice18:57
*** L0cutusM has joined #Maemo18:58
sp3000it'll let you hit the 'previous' button as many times as you like before it's done figuring out the previous page :)18:58
*** t_s_o has quit IRC19:01
*** skler` has joined #maemo19:07
*** L0cutusM has quit IRC19:08
*** K`zan has joined #maemo19:12
*** GNUton has joined #maemo19:13
GNUtonHi!19:14
maddlerhi19:15
_Monkeyhi, maddler19:15
*** lopz has joined #maemo19:15
maddlerhi19:15
maddlerhmmm... _Monkey how did you did that? :)19:15
maddler[18:15:10]  < maddler> hi19:15
maddler[18:15:10]  < _Monkey> hi, maddler19:15
lopzhola19:15
_Monkeyhey, lopz19:15
GeneralAntillesHe's an evil genius.19:15
maddlerhehehehe19:15
timelyxniihau19:17
timelyxnii hau19:17
* timelyx grumbles19:17
oil_here is a new way to control maemo os2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0awjPUkBXOU19:18
GeneralAntillesBy that time Nokia will be implanting them in our skulls.19:18
pupnika lot of money in society is being mis-allocated away from cool technology19:20
*** dneary has quit IRC19:22
*** Pinguozzz has joined #maemo19:23
*** fsmw has joined #maemo19:23
*** Pinguozzz has quit IRC19:23
*** Pinguozzz has joined #maemo19:23
_|Nix|_Hey! Anyone here know what the proper place for a call to autogen.sh is in a cdbs debian/rules file?19:24
_|Nix|_Currently, I have to issue ./autogen.sh before I can dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot19:24
*** geaaru has joined #maemo19:24
*** Ed77 has quit IRC19:25
pupnik_|Nix|_: grepping for it...19:25
_|Nix|_pupnik: grepping? Wherein?19:25
pupnikscratchbox - not finding any autogen in rules files yet19:26
*** L0cutusM has joined #Maemo19:26
pupnikmaybe it's not called explicitly19:26
_|Nix|_pupnik: I think cdbs assumes you're starting from configure.19:26
_|Nix|_However, I get my sources from a DVCS ...19:26
pupnikcan you download a debian source package and use its' rules file?19:27
_|Nix|_Nowhere near. I spent the whole weekend moving from my own, plain Makefile to a cdbs Makefile. There's no way I'm'na do that again.19:27
pupnik ok i don't understand enough about it19:28
pupnikbbl19:28
_|Nix|_I got it down to where it does everything my old Makefile used to do, plus some nice cdbs benefits, but no call to autogen.sh.19:28
elbyou generally don't want to autogen.sh in a rules file19:28
elbthat's kind of a special circumstance19:28
_|Nix|_elb: I know, but I build from monotone - even if it's a tagged rev.19:29
_|Nix|_I /really/ don't want to go the route of upstream tarball + patch file.19:29
L0cutusMwhat can i use to see my download/upload speed with xterm on n800?19:29
*** MoRpHeUz has joined #maemo19:30
*** cmarcelo has joined #maemo19:30
_|Nix|_L0cutusM: You could use connection manager.19:31
_|Nix|_However, it'll give you totals, not speed.19:31
_|Nix|_Still, you can tell your speed from the totals.19:31
_|Nix|_You could also write a small shell script that'll tell you your speed from the total data reported by ifconfig.19:31
*** fsmw has quit IRC19:32
L0cutusMyes but i know there are some tools that can do that but i can't remember the name19:33
_|Nix|_*shrug*19:33
_|Nix|_Damn! Building with NSS doesn't work on bora :o(19:37
_|Nix|_... and it's not for the lack of the library. It's the damn build system ...19:38
_|Nix|_s/damn/damned/19:38
infobot_|Nix|_ meant: ... and it's not for the lack of the library. It's the damned build system ...19:38
_|Nix|_*shake head*19:38
*** playya_ has quit IRC19:42
*** rubiks has joined #maemo19:44
rubikstorrent19:46
_Monkeytorrent is probably slow shit19:46
*** alex-weej has joined #maemo19:46
*** GNUton has quit IRC19:46
*** SmackPotat has joined #maemo19:46
rubiksapp for n80019:46
rubiksunder system? or communication?19:46
SmackPotatanybody know anything about tslib19:48
*** playya has joined #maemo19:48
rubikswhich torrent app is good for n800?19:49
hugol1rubiks:  Ive seen a soulseek client for n800 arround but not torrent19:50
rubikshum...19:50
hugol1rubiks:  though you really want your n800 to handle the torrent downloads?19:50
rubiksthanks, i will look into that19:50
*** zodman has joined #maemo19:50
rubiksnope19:50
rubikslol19:50
hugol1then?19:51
rubiksjust looking for an app 2 see if will handle it19:51
hugol1why the n800 doesnt mount what its at fstab automatically?19:53
hugol1never mind, my fault19:56
SmackPotatthere is a command line torrent client somewhere19:57
*** L0cutusM has quit IRC19:57
*** murrayc_ has joined #maemo19:58
rubikswhere at?19:58
rubikssearching19:58
rubiks...19:58
hugol1how can I make the n800 run a script everytime it connects to a network?19:59
hugol1wifi19:59
_|Nix|_hugol1: You could have it parse dbus-monitor's output and look for the icd signals emitted upon connection.20:00
_|Nix|_hugol1: However, I've never been able to get around the page buffering when I wanna read one command's output in a shell loop.20:01
_|Nix|_hugol1: That's a question for #bash, I suspec.20:01
_|Nix|_s/\.$/t./20:01
*** canyouscore has joined #maemo20:02
hugol1_|Nix|_:  I c, never touched dbus, puts me off20:02
_|Nix|_hugol1: dbus-monitor is a console binary.20:02
*** kenne has joined #maemo20:03
_|Nix|_dbus-monitor | while read ; do if analyze_what_you_read_and_see_if_it_is_interesting; then run_my_script; done20:03
_|Nix|_s/done/; fi; done20:03
_|Nix|_/say/20:03
_|Nix|_Gah!20:03
hugol1_|Nix|_:  then whats the problem?20:04
_|Nix|_None, really.20:04
hugol1(19:01:29) _|Nix|_: hugol1: However, I've never been able to get around the page buffering when I wanna read one command's output in a shell loop. <- then?20:06
_|Nix|_Oh, that.20:06
_|Nix|_Ask #bash. I'd be interested in knowing, too.20:07
* _|Nix|_ goes pestering the bashians20:07
*** gomiam has joined #maemo20:09
*** Pinguozz has joined #maemo20:11
SmackPotatanyone know anything about tslib or the touchscreen in general20:11
*** Pinguozzz has quit IRC20:12
*** edt has quit IRC20:14
*** L0cutusM has joined #Maemo20:15
*** Masca has quit IRC20:23
_|Nix|_Well, the only difference between building ssl-nss.so on Chinook vs. Gregale is -lrt ... what is -lrt?20:24
*** jeff1f has quit IRC20:24
_|Nix|_Aha! glibc-2.3 vs. 2.5 ...20:25
timelyxwhat's ssl-nss?20:26
_|Nix|_timelyx: libpurple's ssl-via-nss plugin.20:27
_|Nix|_timelyx: As opposed to ssl-gnutls.so20:27
zerojayMessing with Pidgin?20:28
_|Nix|_timelyx: ... which I'm trying to phase out.20:28
_|Nix|_zerojay: Trying to roll 2.3.020:28
_|Nix|_zerojay: I've been told that gnutls is deprecated in favour of nss.20:28
rubiksp2p nicotine20:28
_|Nix|_So, I'm trying to build without gnutls.20:28
zerojay_|Nix|_: I'd help if I could.20:28
_|Nix|_Works fine, but only on Chinook.20:28
rubiksis it good?20:29
_|Nix|_Looks like glibc-2.3 doesn't have the facility to load .sos from non-standard paths.20:29
_|Nix|_I might have to hack it for Bora and Gregale: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/microb-engine run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/pidgin20:30
timelyxerr20:31
timelyxthat's bogus20:31
_|Nix|_timelyx: It's either that, or the gregale armel scratchbox has a crappy libtool that doesn't know how to build .sos such that they request non-standard paths upon loading.20:31
_|Nix|_... for their dependent .sos.20:32
timelyxthat's considerably more likely :)20:32
_|Nix|_timelyx: Well, I'm reluctant to mess with my build env for fear of never again being able to build anything for pre-Chinook.20:33
_|Nix|_I suppose I could back the whole thing up - again.20:33
_|Nix|_Oooh ... not a bad idea ...20:33
timelyxbackup?20:33
timelyxhow reckless20:33
hugol1I have a curious bug, once I start the radio on my nokia n800 if I press stop, all the music stops, not only the radio. I have to leave the radio on with the volume to 0 in order to hear the rest of the programs20:34
hugol1*music programs20:34
* _|Nix|_ turns his palms towards his face ... beholds the third-degree-burn scars.20:34
hugol1is a known bug?20:34
*** zodman has left #maemo20:34
_|Nix|_hugol1: What if you quit the radio?20:34
hugol1_|Nix|_:  im using the widget (or whatever its called on n800)20:35
hugol1so its allways there20:35
zerojayWhy would you be listening to music at the same time as the radio?20:35
_|Nix|_hugol1: Assuming you mean the desktop applet, can you not turn it off from the home menu.20:35
_|Nix|_?20:35
hugol1zerojay:  I wont, but once I have heard some radio and then I press stop, If I open kagu or other music program the musci wont sound (it plays but I get no sound) unless I turn on the radio.20:36
hugol1the solution now is to leave the radio on with radio sound to 020:37
zerojayI remember hearing something about this before.20:37
hugol1_|Nix|_:  let me try to turn off the desktop applet20:37
*** Pio_ has joined #maemo20:38
*** lubyou has joined #maemo20:38
zerojayOdd.. for some reason, my contacts were imported and a lot of the Jabber contacts were marked as Google Talk contacts instead and since I don't have a google talk account, they don't show up with any presence.20:39
zerojayVery odd.20:39
hugol1_|Nix|_:  if I make the radio fm desktop applet go away the kagu music stops playing20:40
hugol1I have to make it show again and press play to get back kagu music20:40
_|Nix|_Wow!20:40
timelyx_|Nix|_: btw, you may wish to examine rpath20:40
_|Nix|_timelyx: Probably.20:41
_Monkeyrumour has it probably is :-)20:41
timelyx_Monkey forget probably20:41
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot probably20:41
timelyx_Monkey probably is <reply>20:41
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.20:41
hugol1guess right now 2007 development has stoped and everything is going onto 2008 right?20:41
*** Pio has quit IRC20:41
*** Pio_ is now known as Pio20:41
hugol1any aproximate date on a oficial 2008 release for the n800?20:42
timelyxwhat do you mean by development20:42
timelyxhugol1: this year, or within 100 weeks20:42
timelyxone or the other20:42
hugol1timelyx:  thanks, very helpfull20:44
hugol1hehe20:44
_|Nix|_Wow! This is crazy ... I'm getting rid of my old scratchbox and my free space is slowly creeping back up ...20:46
_|Nix|_0.1GB every, like, 3 seconds.20:46
timelyx why is this shocking?20:46
*** BULLE has joined #maemo20:46
_|Nix|_I'm not shocked. Merely observing how much overhead it is to delete many small files.20:47
timelyxzfs destroy :)20:47
timelyxmuch faster20:47
_|Nix|_I think it just jumped over my rootstraps ...20:47
_|Nix|_Boy ... still at it.20:48
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC20:48
timelyxzfs ;-)20:49
_|Nix|_Someday, perhaps. But not today.20:49
*** gomiam has quit IRC20:50
_|Nix|_Woah! Didn't even know scratchbox used ccache ... no wonder there are many small files ...20:51
_|Nix|_How do I clear that?20:51
_|Nix|_Can I simply rm -rf /scratchbox/ccache?20:51
timelyxprobably20:53
*** jeff1f has joined #maemo20:53
timelyxccache should be fairly optional :)20:53
_|Nix|_find | grep -E '[0-9a-f]{30}-[0-9][0-9]*(\.stderr)?$' | xargs rm20:55
_|Nix|_Hope it doesn't break it.20:55
*** Pinguozz has quit IRC20:55
*** murrayc_ has quit IRC20:56
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo20:58
*** rubiks has quit IRC21:01
*** vivijim has joined #maemo21:02
*** pleemans has joined #maemo21:04
*** npt has quit IRC21:09
*** npt has joined #maemo21:10
ol_schoolahmmm, n800 with 2008 has no sound, control panel indicates "All Sounds Muted"21:12
ol_schoolacannot unmute for the life of me21:12
ol_schoolamy brother was in town and played with it for a while21:13
ol_schoolaspeaker icon on desktop has red line through it21:13
zerojayI can help you with that.21:14
hugol1ol_schoola:  kill your brother first21:14
hugol1;)21:14
zerojayClick on the speaker icon in your status bar to bring up the volume control.21:14
zerojayNow, click directly on the speaker icon to the left of the volume bar.21:14
*** Masca has joined #maemo21:15
*** nelson has joined #maemo21:15
ol_schoolaomg, i hadn't tried poking the icon on that list, ty21:16
*** nelson has quit IRC21:16
zerojayIt's not obvious. :)21:16
ol_schoolanot exactly, but i should have tried that21:16
zerojayWorked?21:17
* ol_schoola gives himself 2 demerits21:17
ol_schoolayeah, perfect21:17
zerojayGreat/21:17
*** l7 has joined #maemo21:17
ol_schoolanow i can actually listen to mp3 goodness on the new 8gb external21:17
*** pigeon has quit IRC21:18
ol_schoolaFLAC supported?21:18
zerojayDon't think so.21:18
ol_schoolai tried ukmp on 2008, crashes quite often21:19
ol_schoolawon't even start for me most of thew time21:20
*** cambba has joined #maemo21:23
zerojayI find all those media players to be a pain.21:25
zerojayThey all act like all you should be doing is listening to music and nothing else.21:25
zerojayAnd the interfaces are all weird so you don't know how to do anything because it doesn't follow any convention.21:25
K`zanYep...21:26
hugol1zerojay:  so you use?21:26
zerojayAnyone happen to know if lsof runs on the tablets?21:26
zerojayhugol1: Media Player.21:27
_Monkeyi heard media player was the only app running21:27
* K`zan doesn't support the "entertainment" mafias...21:27
hugol1zerojay:  MPlayer or the original n800 media player?21:27
hugol1monteslu:  kagu works fine here21:27
zerojayThe original N800 media player, which is called Media Player.21:28
zerojay_Monkey forget media player21:28
_Monkeyzerojay: I forgot media player21:28
zerojaychange die?21:28
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right21:28
zerojay:)21:28
*** _Monkey has quit IRC21:28
zerojayDie bitch.21:28
*** _Monkey has joined #maemo21:28
GeneralAntillesI've grown a bit fond of UKMP.21:28
GeneralAntillesIt's a nice front-end to mplayer, in any case.21:29
zerojayIf Media Player would show album art, play oggs and allow you to scrobble to last.fm.. it would be pretty much perfect for me.21:30
zerojayAlbum art's not that important.. oggs are important (though not to me personally) and last.fm is important (personally).21:31
hugol1zerojay:  I found art is important as well21:31
zerojayAh... lsof comes on the tablet already.21:32
hugol1*find21:32
hugol1it lets you find things easily21:32
zerojayI've never used album art to find things.21:32
zerojayIt's just something nice to have shown, that's all.21:32
GeneralAntillesHaving grown up in these digital days, album art is pretty meaningless to me. ;)21:32
*** b0unc3_ has joined #maemo21:33
zerojayNot that big a deal to me either.21:33
*** cambba_ has quit IRC21:34
zerojayI think I might extend Maemoscrobbler to also grab Media Player stuff too.21:34
zerojayWithout needing anything added to Media Player.21:34
*** barisione has joined #maemo21:36
czrshould it be Media player btw?21:40
czryes it should21:41
zerojayShould what be Media player?21:41
czrthe name of the sw that comes with the image :-)21:41
czrie. s/Player/player/ :-)21:41
zerojayNokia seems to like only using capitals for the first letter. I don't. :)21:42
czryeah, it's somewhat weird21:42
*** Prez has joined #maemo21:46
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC21:47
*** ab has quit IRC21:48
*** ab has joined #maemo21:48
*** Khertan has joined #maemo21:51
Khertanhi21:52
BULLEanyone here who can fill me in how video playback performance is on n800, from some reading on the mailinglist some time ago it seemed it was close to impossible or even impossible to get full framerate video working ( eg 30fps ) due do hardware issues, is that still true ?, and if, any clues if this issue has been solved for the n810 ?21:53
czrbleh, I always forget there's no ping nor telnet in the SDK21:53
GeneralAntillesBULLE: MPEG4 at 1200-1500Kbps at no more than 400x240 with MP3 audio.21:53
GeneralAntillesWorks 100% every time.21:54
BULLEGeneralAntilles: and you can stretch that to fullscreen ?21:54
GeneralAntillesOf course.21:54
GeneralAntillespixel doubling21:54
GeneralAntilleswhich means it's ultra fast.21:54
BULLEdamn, you shouldnt have told me that21:54
BULLEnow i feel an urge to buy an n81021:55
GeneralAntilleserm, why?21:55
GeneralAntillesWhich has exactly the same video performance21:55
GeneralAntillesGet the N800 from buy.com21:55
GeneralAntillesThe N810 doesn't have nearly the same amount of storage.21:55
BULLEGeneralAntilles: from what i read on the net, n810 has 400mhz cpu, n800 does what, 330 ?21:55
BULLEi thought that would help, a little21:55
GeneralAntilles400Mhz21:55
GeneralAntillesThey're almost exactly the same hardware21:56
GeneralAntillesdifferent screen, keyboard, GPS and 1 microSD versus two fullsize SD.21:56
Khertann21:56
sxpertthe keyboard & gps is what attracts me to the 810.21:56
GeneralAntillesGPS is garbage21:56
sxpertlike 2G of storage is sufficient21:56
BULLEi have no need for the gps stuff, but the keyboard seems nice to have21:56
Khertann810 and n800 have dynamic clocking cpu21:56
Khertanand reading a video switch to 330Mhz for optimizing ration for the DSP21:56
GeneralAntillessxpert, more like 300MB, 1.7 is maps. ;)21:57
Khertans/ration/ratio21:57
sxpertGeneralAntilles, see the thing is that I make MY OWN maps21:57
BULLEKhertan: oh, so even teh n810 will clock down to 330mhz when doing video, to get optimal dsp performance ?21:57
KhertanBULLE: yes21:57
GeneralAntillesRight, BULLE, they're exactly the same hardware.21:57
Khertanbut i found video better than on my Palm TX ..21:58
Khertanon n80021:58
Khertan(still not have n810)21:58
BULLEhmm, so either i buy an n800 for roughly 2300sek, now, or wait and buy a n810 in a few weeks for roughly 4000sek21:58
GeneralAntillesGet the N800.21:58
sxpertGeneralAntilles, so I don't give a rats' ass about the integrated maps from hell21:58
BULLEyes, the n800 seems to be the better deal, if you take price into account21:59
GeneralAntillesWell, unless you're planning on using the device outdoors a lot21:59
GeneralAntillesas the N810 has a transflective screen.21:59
BULLEgps is no issue21:59
BULLEoh,21:59
GeneralAntillessxpert, you make maps for everywhere you travel? :\21:59
sxpertGeneralAntilles, yes, will be perfect for going out and map shit21:59
hugol1BULLE:  you can get a bluetooth gps an leave it in the car, and a external gps will allways have better performance21:59
sxpertGeneralAntilles, I'm one of those OpenStreetMap lunatics21:59
BULLEhugol1: yes21:59
GeneralAntillesAh, right, crazy person. :P ;)21:59
BULLEhugol1: and then use it with my cellphone aswell if i want21:59
hugol1BULLE:  yes22:00
GeneralAntillesThank god for 3g.22:00
GeneralAntillesSaves me from paying Atlanta's ridiculous fees for Wifi. :D22:00
hugol1BULLE:  I just got the n800 2 days ago and im loving it22:00
*** yerga has quit IRC22:00
BULLEhugol1: how much did you pay ?22:01
hugol1230 euros plus taxes, but you know... this is europe and we pay more22:01
BULLEhugol1: im living in europe aswell22:01
GeneralAntillesHa22:01
_|Nix|_timelyx: What's libplds4.so? Is it something nss loads?22:01
hugol1I saw americans get it for 230 dollars...22:01
GeneralAntillesIt's what you get for all that socialist garbage. :P22:02
BULLEhugol1: seems i can order one for about 230 euros including taxes here22:02
BULLEhugol1: ye, thats ridicilously cheap, but i guess its mainly because the dollar is worth close to nothing right now22:02
hugol1BULLE:  where you from?22:02
BULLEhugol1: sweden22:02
GeneralAntilles$190 USD from buy.com right now.22:02
GeneralAntillesBULLE, the dollar being worth less should make imported stuff cost more. ;)22:02
hugol1BULLE:  yes, but hardware companys should realice 1 dollar is not 1 euro22:02
_|Nix|_timelyx: Aha. It's not present on Bora, but it's present on Chinook under /usr/lib/microb-engine22:02
keesjincredible! so much great hardware for a little price I would say22:03
BULLEGeneralAntilles: 190 usd, do buy.com even ship to europe ?22:03
GeneralAntillesNope.22:03
BULLEdunno if its worth the extra time22:03
BULLEso i would have to order my us slave to buy one, and then mail it to me22:03
GeneralAntillesYeppers. ;)22:03
czrhmm. within sbox, does apt-get do getent using the sdk /etc/resolv.conf or the real host /etc/resolv.conf?22:03
* czr is slightly confused why /etc/hosts doesn't seem to affect apt-get22:04
hugol1190 dollars? thats like 120 euros... I payed 230. I feel riped off now22:04
hugol1someone should start bringing n800 from america, its a business22:04
keesj230 is also a good price for such hardware IMHO22:05
BULLEhugol1: i guess you might run into problems with warranty and stuff22:05
BULLEyet another question, ipsec is no harder to get working on an n800 then its on a normal linux distribution ?22:05
BULLEeg, just an ipsec tunnel to get access to servers from outside home22:06
keesjby default I don't think iptables are compiled into the kernel and I guess it's required .22:09
*** matt_c has joined #maemo22:11
*** L0cutusM has quit IRC22:14
*** matt_c has quit IRC22:14
*** eichi has joined #maemo22:17
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo22:18
eichihello i cant install camera cause of an conflict with a gstreamer package and i cant use knips, it doenst work correct22:18
*** matt_c has joined #maemo22:26
*** GNUton has joined #maemo22:27
GNUtonhi22:28
_Monkeywhat's up, GNUton22:28
GNUton_Monkey: hello bot!22:30
_MonkeyGNUton: i'm not following you...22:30
GNUton_Monkey: mmm22:30
_MonkeyGNUton: huh?22:30
GNUton_Monkey: are you a stupid bot?22:30
_Monkeygnuton: no idea22:30
zerojaychange bot?22:30
_Monkeyzerojay: that doesn't look right22:30
*** _Monkey has quit IRC22:30
*** _Monkey has joined #maemo22:31
*** matt_c has quit IRC22:31
czrdamn apt-get22:32
* czr bangs head against wall22:32
czrI'm trying to divert repository.maemo.org to a local mirror server22:32
czr(without touching the original sources.list)22:33
GNUtonwhat's up, _Monkey22:36
_Monkeygnuton: no idea22:36
GNUtonwhat's up, _Monkey22:36
_Monkeyi don't know, gnuton22:36
GNUtonwhat's up, _Monkey22:36
_Monkeygnuton: bugger all, i dunno22:36
*** mzlplx has joined #maemo22:36
GNUtonchange bot?22:36
_MonkeyGNUton: that doesn't look right22:36
*** _Monkey has quit IRC22:36
*** _Monkey has joined #maemo22:36
*** NetBlade has quit IRC22:38
* czr hmhs22:39
czrhow is it possible for me to see external dns traffic hitting my dns server from a sbox setup if sbox setup has no nameservers in resolv.conf at all?22:40
czrdoing apt-get update within sbox. it somehow manages to pull out the dns server from somewhere..22:40
czrargh. /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf22:41
czrlucky me there were only 4 resolv.confs on the system..22:41
*** pigeon has joined #maemo22:46
*** t_s_o has quit IRC22:46
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo22:48
*** captainigloo has joined #maemo22:50
hugol1btw, the bug where you have to be playing the radio to listen music only happens when the headphones are pluged22:59
*** pigeon_ has joined #maemo22:59
czrhugol1, which bug?22:59
*** pleemans has quit IRC22:59
czryay. repository.maemo.org diversion works now.22:59
czr"whee"22:59
*** xand has joined #maemo23:03
xandis there a way of swapping the return and enter keys on an external keyboard?23:03
*** captainigloo_ has joined #maemo23:05
*** doublec has joined #maemo23:08
*** pigeon__ has joined #maemo23:09
*** pigeon has quit IRC23:09
*** pigeon__ is now known as pigeon23:09
*** GNUton has quit IRC23:12
*** Prez has quit IRC23:15
*** b0unc3_ has quit IRC23:15
Khertanarg ... maemo vmware sdk sucks a lot23:15
Khertanno ifconfig23:17
Khertanno network23:17
Khertanno ping23:17
Khertanno telnet23:17
Khertanpfffff23:17
czrKhertan, /sbin/ifconfig23:18
K`zanIs it possible to have multiple user accounts on the n800?23:19
*** pigeon__ has joined #maemo23:19
czrKhertan, also define "no network"23:19
czrK`zan, why?23:19
K`zanJust wondering...23:19
czrK`zan, there's no GUI support for that.23:19
K`zanAh, OK, thanks.23:19
czrand there's no way to switch between the users when booting.23:19
czrso no.23:19
K`zanOk, understand.23:19
czrK`zan, you don't have user profiles on mobile mp3-players or mobile phones either :-)23:20
czror rather, different users. profiles maybe. but for different use.23:20
K`zanTrue, was just wondering since it is linux :).  Can do that on the cli though.23:20
*** pigeon_ has quit IRC23:21
Khertanczr > can't make an apt-get23:22
Khertanupdate23:22
czrKhertan, what's the error?23:22
Khertandon't know why as ifconfig and ping doesn't work23:22
czrKhertan, also, does inet work from the host? (ie, not within sbox)23:22
czrdid you try /sbin/ifconfig ?23:22
czrlack of ping is a problem. but you can use wget http://name-or-ip/ to test23:23
Khertanls : command not found23:23
Khertanhuhu23:23
Khertan!!23:23
czrthat's not good :-)23:23
*** Ub0nty has joined #maemo23:23
Khertanhum ... i think all the image is corrupted23:23
czrthat's the "official" vmware image?23:23
Khertani ll try do download it again23:23
czrdon't they distribute an md5sum or smt to verify it?23:23
*** pigeon has quit IRC23:23
czrKhertan, also, what did you use to download?23:24
czrhttp or torrent?23:24
Khertantorrent23:24
_Monkeytorrent is slow shit23:24
Khertanas http was available when i try to download it23:24
*** nelson has joined #maemo23:25
czrodds of the torrent corrupting _while_ downloading is very small23:25
*** Ub0nty has quit IRC23:25
czrdoesn't mean the original image is working, but the odds of the transfer itself corrupting your copy is near impossible23:25
czrnearly even.23:25
Khertanczr > as torrent download are made on an other network then copied on my dev machine ...23:27
czrKhertan, have you ever used md5sum or shasum?23:27
Khertanit s could be between the last transfer23:27
* czr nods23:27
_|Nix|_timelyx: Thanks for the rpath idea ... that was it.23:27
Khertani was looking for the url of the vmware image site :)23:28
*** pigeon has joined #maemo23:29
Khertanthere is no md5 or sha for checksum23:29
*** bergie has joined #maemo23:30
Khertani ll download it again and try later23:30
Khertanthx for your help czr :)23:30
Khertangood night :)23:30
czrnight23:30
*** mzlplx has left #maemo23:32
czrtsavola, ping?23:33
tsavolahohoo23:34
tsavola!23:34
czrtsavola, are you the proper person to bug about sb-menu "bugs"?23:35
czr:-)23:35
czror, maybe I should just be quiet :-)23:36
tsavolaczr: no23:36
czrtsavola, maemo bugilla, right?23:36
tsavolaczr: scratchbox bugzilla23:36
czrah, ok.23:36
* czr writes this down on a parchment23:36
tsavolaczr: and if you really want something done about it, bug jumpula23:36
* czr nods23:36
*** else58 has joined #maemo23:40
czrhmm. is there a virtual package that I can install to pull all of the sdk that is normally installed with the automatic script (except nokia binaries)23:40
*** pigeon__ has quit IRC23:40
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo23:42
*** geaaru has quit IRC23:45
*** robtaylor has quit IRC23:47
czreww. apt-cache segfaults :_)23:48
czr:-) even.23:48
* czr gets some more coffee. long night ahead.23:48
*** captainigloo has quit IRC23:49
*** captainigloo_ has quit IRC23:49
*** eichi has quit IRC23:50
*** pi_ has joined #maemo23:51
*** slomo has quit IRC23:52
*** JussiP has joined #maemo23:52
*** robtaylor has joined #maemo23:53
*** GNUton has joined #maemo23:53
*** pigeon has quit IRC23:54
GNUtonre23:54
*** pigeon has joined #maemo23:57

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!