| mgedmin | the comment facility could really use a 'preview' button | 00:02 |
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| mgedmin | how was I supposed to know it didn't escape '<'> | 00:02 |
| timeless | heh | 00:02 |
| mgedmin | omg, ( ! ) Fatal error: Call to undefined function mgderrstr() in /usr/share/midgard/svn/midcom/trunk/src/net.nehmer.co | 00:03 |
| doc|work | would it be a really evil question to ask if there's a working nfs client for maemo? :o | 00:03 |
| timeless | maemo.org/community/wiki/howtonfs_06/ | 00:03 |
| czr | need for speed 06 | 00:03 |
| * czr hides & drives away | 00:04 | |
| doc|work | thanks :) | 00:04 |
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| doc|work | would mean less screwing about with sd cards for one | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | doc|work: there was once, iirc | 00:05 |
| timeless | czr? | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | you had to flash a custom kernel for nfs support, etc | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | early in the 770 days | 00:05 |
| timeless | is it ITOS2007, IT OS 2007, IT OS2007, ITOS 2007, or something else? | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | I use sshfs nowadays | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | better than mucking about with sd cards or usb cables | 00:06 |
| timeless | nfs is only good if for kicks, giggles, and stuck mounts | 00:06 |
| timeless | nfs? | 00:06 |
| _Monkey | well, nfs is so much better | 00:06 |
| doc|work | mgedmin: that howto looks like it should work | 00:06 |
| timeless | _monkey forget nfs | 00:06 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot nfs | 00:06 |
| timeless | nfs is only good if for kicks, giggles, and stuck mounts | 00:06 |
| timeless | nfs is not so much better :) | 00:06 |
| timeless | doc: feel free to edit the wiki to fix "Application manager" (capital A, lowercase m) on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ :) | 00:07 |
| czr | timeless, nack | 00:07 |
| czr | back even | 00:07 |
| p| | <mgedmin> I use sshfs nowadays | 00:08 |
| p| | ? | 00:08 |
| p| | does it work on n800 ? | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | depends on what you mean | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | I use sshfs on my laptop to connect to the ssh server on my n800 | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | and then I can use whatever file manager I like to transfer files back and forth | 00:09 |
| p| | ha ok :) | 00:09 |
| doc|work | timeless: I would if I didn't have to register :) | 00:09 |
| p| | i'd like to have also encfs... :) | 00:09 |
| doc|work | it'd be easy, copy to text editor, replace all, save. But the registration process? blegh :) | 00:09 |
| timeless | doc: i think atm you can't even log in | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | quake 2 runs on n800?? | 00:10 |
| * mgedmin didn't expect that | 00:10 | |
| timeless | but you have my sympathies | 00:10 |
| doc|work | timeless: heh, nice | 00:10 |
| timeless | technically the code can be built to run elsewhere (we have ifdefs to deal w/ !hildon) | 00:10 |
| timeless | and there are people who have built it on something that wasn't maemo | 00:11 |
| timeless | otoh, i'm not sure i care | 00:11 |
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| timeless | they were still an embedded system | 00:11 |
| timeless | and i see little reason to lump them away from us w/ Linux | 00:11 |
| timeless | gah, and i see no reason to lump us away from linux, but that's another story | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | what's up with this URL: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/games/?org_openpsa_qbpager_org_openpsa_products_product_dba_page=4 ? | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | org_openpsa_qbpager_org_openpsa_products_product_dba_page? | 00:14 |
| doc|work | heh | 00:14 |
| kaltsi | one thing.. it's a bit short | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | is midgard written in Java, or something? | 00:14 |
| timeless | php, no? | 00:14 |
| doc|work | kaltsi: heh | 00:14 |
| timeless | which has the same sort of stack tracings | 00:14 |
| mgedmin | but anyway I wanted to ask: why is ScummVM listed twice on that page (once near the top, second time at the end) | 00:15 |
| czr | mgedmin, if you run into performance issues, I'd suggest you collect URLs and timestamps and such | 00:15 |
| czr | mgedmin, then add them to the bug whose number I forgot | 00:15 |
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| czr | kulve closed it already | 00:15 |
| czr | but I think that'd be the best place to add information | 00:15 |
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| timeless | oh wow | 00:16 |
| * timeless likes the nfs instructions for 2007 | 00:16 | |
| timeless | they manually install nfs :) | 00:16 |
| czr | link? | 00:16 |
| timeless | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/#3aa70fb4ecdace0c1b0ceec114d4da54 | 00:16 |
| * czr wants to chuckle as well | 00:16 | |
| sp3000 | heh, you said 3aa70fb4ecdace0c1b0ceec114d4da54 | 00:16 |
| czr | eww, md5 hashes in URLs. evil | 00:16 |
| timeless | aren't md5 hashes shorter? | 00:17 |
| czr | I don't think so | 00:17 |
| czr | but I'm drunk.. | 00:17 |
| mgedmin | shorter than what? | 00:17 |
| czr | than 16 characters | 00:17 |
| czr | hmm. that's longer that 16 characters | 00:17 |
| czr | than even | 00:17 |
| sp3000 | nah, that's md5sum size | 00:17 |
| czr | 32 chars. md5 | 00:18 |
| mgedmin | 128 bits, iirc | 00:18 |
| sp3000 | 16 bytes, of course :) | 00:18 |
| timeless | Nokia-N800-26:~/nfstmp# cd /lib/modules/current/ | 00:18 |
| timeless | Nokia-N800-26:~/nfstmp# ls -l | 00:18 |
| sp3000 | which could confuse | 00:18 |
| timeless | what kind of magical shell is this? | 00:18 |
| sp3000 | heh | 00:18 |
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| kaltsi | hahah.. that's my baby :) | 00:19 |
| czr | there's no lib/modules on the devices | 00:19 |
| * czr pities the fools | 00:19 | |
| kaltsi | there is /lib/modules after you install the modules | 00:19 |
| czr | that doesn't count! | 00:20 |
| czr | that's like.. cheating! | 00:20 |
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| flatface | Okay, my N800 just arrived today and I'm setting it up. I'm new to Maemo and all of this (but not Linux), so should I start messing with it and wait for 2008, or find and install 2008 now? | 00:20 |
| czr | "there's /lib/modules after you run mkdir /lib/modulers. har"-kind of cheating! | 00:20 |
| timeless | Nokia-N800-26:~# apt-get install rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules | 00:20 |
| czr | flatface, there's no OS2008 for N800 | 00:20 |
| timeless | czr: like that? | 00:20 |
| pygi | flatface: not yet :) | 00:21 |
| czr | timeless, that also is cheating! | 00:21 |
| flatface | I've read that you can use 2008 from the N810 firmware. | 00:21 |
| czr | anything that will create /lib/modules = cheating.. :-) | 00:21 |
| kaltsi | sour grapes.. | 00:21 |
| timeless | flatface: either way you're going to need to reinstall everything in a few weeks | 00:21 |
| czr | flatface, you can. but it doesn't mean that the firmware is meant for N800. | 00:21 |
| timeless | where few is something between 1 and 100 | 00:21 |
| timeless | conservatively :) | 00:21 |
| timeless | personally, i'd probably go w/ 2008 | 00:21 |
| kaltsi | don't reveal the release dates like that | 00:21 |
| flatface | Eh, true enough. I may as well fool around with it now :D | 00:22 |
| timeless | kaltsi: 100 weeks takes me to when? | 00:22 |
| kaltsi | 1-100 weeks is too accurate :) | 00:22 |
| czr | kaltsi, 1-100 is pretty ok in my books :-) | 00:22 |
| czr | and how's going to trust timeless anyway! | 00:22 |
| czr | who's even. | 00:22 |
| kaltsi | how who? | 00:22 |
| czr | my typing is getting progressively worse :-) | 00:22 |
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| timeless | flatface: i'd enable redpill and ask Application manager to save all debs to an mmc | 00:23 |
| flatface | btw, just some general info: if you don't want to order it off of the Internet or anything, Ingram Micro is able to ship it. From Staples, it cost me $276.28 to special order it, no shipping cost. (CAD) | 00:23 |
| timeless | otherwise i tend to be very frustrated when things i've installed disappear | 00:23 |
| flatface | timeless: debs, as in .DEB (debian package format)? | 00:23 |
| timeless | yes | 00:23 |
| flatface | roger | 00:23 |
| czr | debit evil bastards | 00:23 |
| timeless | flatface: of course, as a nokian, i would never recommend that you do this :) | 00:24 |
| czr | timeless, nokeneeze | 00:24 |
| flatface | heh | 00:24 |
| timeless | and as someone who has reported about at least one really bad ui facing bugs in 2008 | 00:24 |
| kaltsi | hmm the Application manageR has a small inconsistency with its graphics.. the menu icon and the TN icon have a + in the up-left corner but when the app man opens up there's a graphic with a tilted square in place of the + | 00:25 |
| timeless | especially for n800 users | 00:25 |
| timeless | i wouldn't really want to install it | 00:25 |
| flatface | I own an E62... I'm disappointed at the speed of it, but from what I hear, it's not the best Nokia device. So I'm giving them another shot. | 00:25 |
| czr | kaltsi, let me check. SDK or dev? | 00:25 |
| kaltsi | both | 00:25 |
| timeless | kaltsi: ain't visual refreshes grand? | 00:25 |
| timeless | someone forgot to refresh the inner artt | 00:25 |
| kaltsi | it's hard to miss :) | 00:25 |
| flatface | I think I'm gonna end up waiting for the real deal to come out | 00:25 |
| timeless | there clearly wasn't a note saying "this is related to art elsewhere" | 00:25 |
| timeless | flatface: it's mostly ok unless you try using the finger keyboard :) | 00:26 |
| czr | kaltsi, you mean the large "image" when Am starts isn't the same as the icon? | 00:26 |
| kaltsi | yes | 00:26 |
| timeless | czr: yeah | 00:26 |
| czr | kaltsi, the icon also has an image of an CD for .. | 00:26 |
| timeless | kaltsi: file a bug :) | 00:26 |
| czr | how on earth does a CD relate to IT? | 00:26 |
| kaltsi | czr CD where? | 00:26 |
| czr | give me a sec | 00:27 |
| timeless | czr: what cd? | 00:27 |
| czr | I'll amaze you with another screenshot | 00:27 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/screenshot-tool-1.21/screenshot-tool.c | 00:27 |
| timeless | definitely doesn't handle help :) | 00:27 |
| timeless | but if you don't include any args, it gives help :) | 00:27 |
| kaltsi | timeless I just fixed it.. releasing tomorrow :) | 00:27 |
| timeless | kaltsi: yeah yeah | 00:27 |
| doc|work | flatface: not bad, I got mine for 264 from ncix.com with a pricematch against directcanada.com (pickup so no delivery) | 00:27 |
| timeless | but that was in my window and i forgot to paste it | 00:27 |
| doc|work | (+ taxes of course) | 00:27 |
| * doc|work spits | 00:27 | |
| czr | timeless, kaltsi : http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/amazing-cd.png | 00:27 |
| czr | notice the discrepancy there? | 00:28 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ | 00:28 |
| kaltsi | czr ahh that's just in the sdk | 00:28 |
| mgedmin | timeless: how non-unixish; I'd expect a screenshot tool to spew binary data to stdout when run without args ;-) | 00:28 |
| timeless | czr: i think tha'ts non branded | 00:28 |
| czr | kaltsi, but you said BOTH | 00:28 |
| czr | damn.. | 00:28 |
| _Monkey | damn is a very sad thing to say | 00:28 |
| timeless | mgedmin: not true | 00:28 |
| kaltsi | czr and I want to retract my previous statement.. I didn't check the sdk graphics.. just assumed they were same.. shame on me! :( | 00:28 |
| timeless | timeless@swift:/tmp/microb-l10n% /sbin/zfs | 00:28 |
| timeless | missing command | 00:28 |
| timeless | usage: zfs command args ... | 00:28 |
| timeless | where 'command' is one of the following: | 00:28 |
| timeless | -- | 00:29 |
| timeless | on solaris, i get detailed usage instructions | 00:29 |
| flatface | doc|work: That's pretty good. I work at Staples, so I was able to sweet talk my GM into giving me a credit for my Palm TX (broken scren), plus I got a 10% associate discount. | 00:29 |
| * czr spanks kaltsi with stereo-trouts | 00:29 | |
| kaltsi | boo.. I don't even like fish :( | 00:29 |
| timeless | timeless@swift:/tmp/microb-l10n% /sbin/zfs 2>&1|wc -l | 00:29 |
| timeless | 44 | 00:29 |
| czr | kaltsi, yeah, the SDK graphics are quite different | 00:29 |
| * czr notices the problem now | 00:29 | |
| doc|work | flatface: nice! :) | 00:30 |
| flatface | Oh, man... I'm at the main menu... Default skin and high resolution = sexy as hell | 00:30 |
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| flatface | I'm enjoying it already. | 00:31 |
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| czr | hell isn't sexy | 00:31 |
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| czr | hell = hot + blisters. | 00:31 |
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| czr | so mainly sweat and pain | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | unless it froze over | 00:32 |
| flatface | Maybe a succubus from Hell? | 00:32 |
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| czr | mgedmin, that'd mean that a) nokia would've documented all the APIs + b) maemo.org wouldn't fall down all the time | 00:32 |
| czr | somehow, I don't see that happening any time soon :-) | 00:33 |
| mgedmin | or apple open-sourced the iPhone firmware | 00:33 |
| czr | it will all happen on the same day | 00:33 |
| timeless | interesting | 00:34 |
| timeless | hildon-application-manager didn't make the chinook beta | 00:34 |
| czr | yeah | 00:34 |
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| czr | it didn't | 00:34 |
| czr | I could've told you that | 00:34 |
| timeless | hrm | 00:34 |
| timeless | well, my xref told me :) | 00:34 |
| timeless | but this is odd | 00:34 |
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| czr | in 3.2 you had to install it separately | 00:34 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=app.*man.*debian%2Fcontrol&tree=chinook&hint= | 00:35 |
| czr | in 4.0 it's installed by default | 00:35 |
| timeless | can you explain why there are 2 debian/ dirs? | 00:35 |
| mgedmin | how can one request removal of an obsolete project from the app catalog? | 00:35 |
| czr | which is an improvement, except that you can't really do anything with it in SDK without my EVIL HACKS. | 00:35 |
| * timeless nods | 00:35 | |
| timeless | been there, heard|read that | 00:35 |
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| czr | timeless, 1_2.0.1 looks like an extra copy | 00:36 |
| * timeless nods | 00:36 | |
| timeless | afaik that's the only case of it though... | 00:36 |
| czr | but it is 2.0.1, so it's supposed to be _twice_ as good as the previous one, right? ;-) | 00:37 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=%2F.*%2F.*%2Fdebian%2Fcontrol&tree=chinook&hint= | 00:37 |
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| timeless | ok, wireless-tools has the same thing | 00:37 |
| czr | timeless, one of them is under mircob | 00:37 |
| czr | :-) | 00:38 |
| timeless | that's different | 00:38 |
| czr | the hdparm under cdbs seems weird | 00:38 |
| timeless | that one is actually a gecko package iirc | 00:38 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/microb-engine-1.0.3/mozilla/build/package/debian/CVS/ | 00:38 |
| czr | the one under defome looks really broken | 00:38 |
| czr | defoma even | 00:38 |
| * timeless nods | 00:38 | |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/%7Barch%7D/ | 00:39 |
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| timeless | the defoma one really scares me | 00:39 |
| czr | ,,inode-sigs? | 00:39 |
| czr | argh | 00:39 |
| * czr spanks whoever inveted that dirname | 00:39 | |
| czr | invented even | 00:39 |
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| timeless | interesting | 00:40 |
| czr | timeless, btw, mxr doens't want to show those files at all | 00:40 |
| czr | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/{arch}/,,inode-sigs/ | 00:40 |
| * timeless nods | 00:40 | |
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| suihkulokki | it's great linux desktop has mono theys days | 00:40 |
| timeless | not sure what it doesn't like | 00:40 |
| timeless | the files do /seem/ to exist | 00:40 |
| timeless | oh | 00:40 |
| * czr sticks a "mono" up suihkulokkis private place | 00:40 | |
| timeless | hrm | 00:40 |
| suihkulokki | ...unfortunatly all the .net apps are hidden inside installshield exes that wine refuses to rin | 00:41 |
| czr | mono = skii'ing boot in finnish | 00:41 |
| suihkulokki | ..including nokia map loader | 00:41 |
| czr | ski'ing even | 00:41 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: whoa, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/{arch}/%2C%2Cinode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%252525defoma--debian--1.0--base-0 works :D | 00:41 |
| timeless | czr: ok, clearly one of the characters upsets it | 00:41 |
| timeless | sp3000: so it was %? | 00:41 |
| czr | timeless, { ? | 00:41 |
| czr | maybe it's trying to do shell globs on it | 00:42 |
| timeless | no | 00:42 |
| timeless | it's url encoding issues | 00:42 |
| timeless | the '%' char in the filename | 00:42 |
| timeless | hence sp3000's url worked | 00:42 |
| czr | but that's just %% | 00:42 |
| sp3000 | timeless: I seem to actually see the redirects go in the url, from %252525 to %2525 to %25 with that ;) | 00:42 |
| czr | heh | 00:42 |
| timeless | sp3000: yeah, that was whacky | 00:42 |
| timeless | no idea what drove that | 00:43 |
| czr | what do you people expect? it is a frigging red carnivore smiling at a post industrial town! | 00:43 |
| czr | (the mozilla.org logo) | 00:43 |
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| czr | and a dinosaur too | 00:43 |
| czr | this is why I love perl so much: | 00:44 |
| czr | 26 my $y = $x; | 00:45 |
| czr | 27 $y =~ s/^\s*//s; | 00:45 |
| czr | 28 $y =~ s/\\\n//sg; | 00:45 |
| czr | 29 $y =~ s/\s*$//s; | 00:45 |
| timeless | which is that? | 00:45 |
| * timeless doesn't really feel like searchig for y =~ s | 00:45 | |
| czr | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ifupdown-0.6.7osso/_darcs/current/debian/upgrade-from-0.5.x.pl | 00:45 |
| Andy80 | some ascii picture :D | 00:45 |
| suihkulokki | line noise? | 00:45 |
| czr | "some magical script whose author thought that perl is so sexy that no comments are really ever necessary" | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | hm, that previous url isn't actually what worked, rather http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/%7Barch%7D/%2C%2Cinode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%252525defoma--debian--1.0--base-0 | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | er | 00:46 |
| timeless | czr: what i like is that the perl is actually reasonably highlighted :) | 00:46 |
| sp3000 | ok, I'm confused | 00:46 |
| * sp3000 blames chatzilla or something | 00:46 | |
| czr | timeless, kind of, yeah :-) | 00:46 |
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| suihkulokki | yes, perl is great: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html | 00:46 |
| czr | timeless, at least it shows the $:s using a different color ;-) | 00:46 |
| czr | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ident?i=m | 00:47 |
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| czr | chick on the _m_ on line 16 of: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ifupdown-0.6.7osso/debian/upgrade-from-0.5.x.pl | 00:47 |
| czr | hah | 00:47 |
| czr | mxr <3 | 00:47 |
| * timeless loves how many hits m has | 00:47 | |
| * sp3000 declines to try understanding why that linkifies ...erm | 00:48 | |
| czr | _who_ in their right might defines _anything_ important as 'm' | 00:48 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ident?i=m | 00:48 |
| timeless | erp | 00:48 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/dpkg-1.13.25.osso7/scripts/dpkg-source.pl#908 | 00:48 |
| sp3000 | if I launch or drag the urls, it doesn't work, but copy works :( | 00:48 |
| * sp3000 worries | 00:48 | |
| timeless | 908 my $m; | 00:48 |
| timeless | 912 $m= `md5sum`; $? && subprocerr("md5sum $f"); $m =~ s/\n$//; | 00:48 |
| timeless | 913 $m = readmd5sum( $m ); | 00:48 |
| timeless | 914 $m eq $md5sum{$f} || &error(sprintf(_g("file %s has md5sum %s instead of expected %s"), $f, $m, $md5sum{$f})); | 00:48 |
| sp3000 | (or, copy link location, which makes it weird) | 00:48 |
| czr | my m? bleh :-) | 00:48 |
| czr | what happened to honest 'i'? | 00:48 |
| khertan_ | lol totally unmaintainable. ! | 00:49 |
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| timeless | m stands for md5sum | 00:49 |
| timeless | don't you get it? :) | 00:49 |
| czr | timeless, no it doesn't | 00:49 |
| czr | it stands for 'me be guruhaxor who no need comments lolor' | 00:49 |
| suihkulokki | czr: it was renamed to justAnotherGenericVariableForTemporaryUsage=1; | 00:49 |
| czr | suihkulokki, ahhh. thanks :-) | 00:49 |
| doc|work | back in my day loops were what happened when the tape got stuck! </oldPerson> | 00:50 |
| * mgedmin wants to know what happens when $f == "`xclock&`" | 00:50 | |
| timeless | czr: unfortunately mxr doesn't say how many people use m as identifiers :( | 00:50 |
| czr | doc|home, yeah, that's why there are two separate works in finnish for "loop" | 00:50 |
| timeless | but boy the list is long :) | 00:50 |
| czr | timeless, or what their home address is! | 00:50 |
| czr | kiersio and silmukka | 00:50 |
| doc|work | czr: that and because you like to fuck up the foreigners | 00:50 |
| czr | kiersio (o + umlatus) | 00:51 |
| czr | is the official form for programming loops | 00:51 |
| czr | of course no one uses it because it just sounds too sad | 00:51 |
| doc|work | just for programming loops? | 00:51 |
| czr | yeah | 00:51 |
| * sp3000 hasn't even heard of it :O | 00:51 | |
| doc|work | do you have a department for creating finnish words? | 00:51 |
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| doc|work | Ireland has one for the Irish language | 00:51 |
| czr | there's an office of official finnish language things | 00:52 |
| doc|work | riomhaire = computer | 00:52 |
| czr | "Suomen Kielitoimisto" | 00:52 |
| timeless | sp3000: so what's the story w/ %s? | 00:52 |
| doc|work | iirc | 00:52 |
| czr | silmukka is closests to "spool" really | 00:52 |
| timeless | is the problem that the % needs to be double escaped? | 00:52 |
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| czr | closest even | 00:52 |
| czr | or noose. | 00:52 |
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| czr | it's much older than programming, so doesn't really convey the action of "repeating" | 00:53 |
| czr | cause obviously there's just a limited number of times you can apply a noose to anything (esp. a person) etc | 00:53 |
| timeless | sp3000: oh ! | 00:53 |
| timeless | it's the stupid {}s | 00:53 |
| czr | so, hence was born "kiersio" | 00:53 |
| czr | timeless, told you so! | 00:53 |
| czr | <czr> timeless, { ? | 00:54 |
| czr | <czr> maybe it's trying to do shell globs on it | 00:54 |
| sp3000 | timeless: what, do they trigger some magic? | 00:54 |
| timeless | it's not shell globs i don't think | 00:54 |
| czr | well, told you so / 2. | 00:54 |
| czr | maybe some printf formatting thingy in perl | 00:54 |
| czr | or rather, print "foo" thingy | 00:55 |
| timeless | ok, i really really don't get this | 00:55 |
| * czr gladly pronounces that the universe is still safe. i > m: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ident?i=i | 00:56 | |
| timeless | heh | 00:56 |
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| timeless | wait | 00:57 |
| timeless | sp3000? | 00:57 |
| czr | timeless, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/mxrrr.png | 00:57 |
| doc|work | so, just as a matter of interest, why is it that nokia ships the machine with a kind of a crappy screen protector? | 00:57 |
| czr | doc|work, so that you'd buy N900 or whatever comes out next? | 00:58 |
| sp3000 | so the screen doesn't get things on it before the customer gets to put things on it, presumably | 00:58 |
| timeless | czr: you complaining about something? | 00:58 |
| czr | ah that one, yes | 00:58 |
| czr | timeless, yeah. the boxes | 00:58 |
| sp3000 | unless you mean the pouch or such | 00:58 |
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| timeless | yeah figures | 00:58 |
| czr | "as member of flass f[box] [box]VB" | 00:58 |
| doc|work | czr: I'd probably do that anyway | 00:58 |
| timeless | that's kinda how it encodes certain bits | 00:58 |
| timeless | it's clearly corrupt | 00:58 |
| timeless | i don't want ot think about that now | 00:58 |
| timeless | but feel free to file a bug | 00:59 |
| czr | timeless, but finland is the least corrupt country in the europe, how dare you! | 00:59 |
| timeless | does it happen in the other chinook (the older one) and sardine? | 00:59 |
| doc|work | sp3000: I meant the plastic, easily scratched, layer on the screen | 00:59 |
| czr | timeless, just was wondering whether you knew about it or not :-) | 00:59 |
| timeless | czr: good thinkg timeless.justdave.net is hosted in the good old us of a :) | 00:59 |
| timeless | i've seen it occasionally, not recently | 00:59 |
| czr | hmm. right. | 00:59 |
| czr | well, do an ident search on "i" the next time you need motivation to fix something :-) | 01:00 |
| timeless | (mind you, that reference came from swift which is on my desk here in finland) | 01:00 |
| timeless | sp3000: so.... | 01:00 |
| czr | timeless, so you're screwed..! | 01:00 |
| timeless | the url doesn't seem to be stable | 01:00 |
| timeless | am i right? | 01:00 |
| timeless | is that an ff bug? | 01:01 |
| czr | heh. <3 mxr.. this is why I love C++: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/gcc-3.4-3.4.4cs2005q3.2/gcc-2005q3-2/gcc/testsuite/g++.dg/template/memfriend7.C | 01:01 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: yeah, it's weird | 01:01 |
| czr | no wonder all symbian people end up in the loonies | 01:01 |
| timeless | sp3000: wanna file a bug? | 01:02 |
| timeless | (against minefield, not mxr!) | 01:02 |
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| teprrr | czr, looks like autogenerated file for me :P | 01:02 |
| czr | teprrr, it's not. it's a test-file | 01:02 |
| timeless | teprrr: those tend to be reduce testcases iirc | 01:02 |
| czr | but still. any language that allows that kind of crap deserves to die | 01:03 |
| teprrr | czr, yes I Know that.. | 01:03 |
| czr | _imho_ :-) | 01:03 |
| teprrr | but just thinking that it could be autogenerated with some precompiler :p | 01:03 |
| timeless | czr: like finnish? :) | 01:03 |
| teprrr | s/could be/could have been/ | 01:03 |
| timeless | actually, my first lesson is today | 01:03 |
| infobot | teprrr meant: but just thinking that it could have been autogenerated with some precompiler :p | 01:03 |
| czr | timeless, sure. | 01:03 |
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| teprrr | s/with/by/ | 01:04 |
| infobot | teprrr meant: but just thinking that it could be autogenerated by some precompiler :p | 01:04 |
| czr | timeless, but you have to remember that I'm not really a finn :-) | 01:04 |
| timeless | you're a russian or something? | 01:04 |
| teprrr | it's always nice when someone fixes your sentences.. :-) | 01:04 |
| czr | timeless, I don't know. human mostly | 01:04 |
| czr | never got a chance to establish a personal nationality | 01:04 |
| czr | so I just "am" most of the time. | 01:05 |
| timeless | and the rest of the time, you are not? | 01:05 |
| czr | the rest of the time I read CPU and chip databooks and breathe binary. or drink alcohol. either of the two :-) | 01:06 |
| sp3000 | timeless: oh, hm. yeah, I've seen minefield eat %escapes in its display, but this one's freaky | 01:06 |
| sp3000 | I suppose the double-escape part is an mxr bug | 01:08 |
| timeless | what should mxr do? | 01:09 |
| * timeless tries ie | 01:09 | |
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| sp3000 | fx2 acts quite a bit saner :) | 01:10 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/%7Barch%7D/,,inode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%2525defoma--debian--1.0--patch-1 | 01:10 |
| timeless | works fine in ie | 01:10 |
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| sp3000 | right | 01:10 |
| timeless | it's also stable | 01:10 |
| timeless | so yes, please file a bug about minefield | 01:10 |
| timeless | it's definitely borked | 01:10 |
| sp3000 | the jumping about seems to be a fx3 ui thing | 01:10 |
| lardman | Ah, cool, chap just contacted me and is interested in writing/helping with SBC (a2dp) dsp task | 01:10 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/defoma-0.11.7osso/{arch}/,,inode-sigs/gus@inodes.org--debian%2525defoma--debian--1.0--patch-1 | 01:10 |
| timeless | also works in ie | 01:10 |
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| timeless | ok, last half of the question | 01:11 |
| sp3000 | that explains why it acted differently when the url was dispatched not from the location bar | 01:12 |
| timeless | what url is the correct url? | 01:12 |
| sp3000 | %25 I believe would be | 01:12 |
| timeless | ok | 01:12 |
| timeless | so the problem isn't the encoder | 01:12 |
| timeless | it's the decoder | 01:12 |
| Tieku | timeless, crzm you helped me earlier by recomending i use rcS.d to run a script at boot. I'm given that a go. looking at other scripts in the folder they start with #!/bin/sh | 01:12 |
| Tieku | -e. do you know what the -e is for and if i need it? | 01:12 |
| sp3000 | -e Exit immediately if a simple command (see SHELL GRAMMAR above) exits with a non-zero sta‐ | 01:13 |
| timeless | no :) | 01:13 |
| sp3000 | tus. The shell does not exit if the command that fails is part of the command list imme‐ | 01:13 |
| sp3000 | diately following a while or until keyword, part of the test in an if statement, part of a | 01:13 |
| sp3000 | && or ││ list, or if the command’s return value is being inverted via !. A trap on ERR, | 01:13 |
| * czr thinks now is the prefect time to retire | 01:13 | |
| sp3000 | if set, is executed before the shell exits. | 01:13 |
| * sp3000 wins at wrapping | 01:13 | |
| timeless | heh | 01:13 |
| * mgedmin teaches sp3000 about pastebins | 01:13 | |
| czr | with a trout mgedmin | 01:13 |
| czr | trout is imporant | 01:14 |
| Tieku | thanks sp3000 | 01:14 |
| * sp3000 would just wrap the trout badly and paste it back | 01:14 | |
| zerojay | Friends don't let friends root while drunk. | 01:14 |
| mgedmin | oh crap, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/xmodmap/ has no install link | 01:14 |
| * mgedmin needs xmodmap and xev | 01:14 | |
| zerojay | And I don't mean it in that Aussie "rooting = fucking" sort of way. | 01:15 |
| czr | "rootme" | 01:15 |
| * czr hides and runs | 01:15 | |
| zerojay | Yeah, I always kind of laughed at that. | 01:15 |
| czr | to sleep | 01:15 |
| czr | aye. night all -> | 01:15 |
| kaltsi | mgedmin: xev is in the sdk repository x-debug-tools package | 01:15 |
| mgedmin | at least the homepage link is sane (doesn't point to upstream) | 01:16 |
| mgedmin | kaltsi: thanks | 01:16 |
| mgedmin | but what about xmodmap? | 01:16 |
| kaltsi | maybe you can port it and put it to the extras repo? :) | 01:16 |
| * mgedmin should | 01:17 | |
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| sp3000 | dammit | 01:19 |
| * sp3000 tries to file the bug but can't manage to spell broken | 01:19 | |
| sp3000 | hey, third time's the charm | 01:19 |
| sp3000 | borken? broekn? | 01:19 |
| zerojay | b9rked\ | 01:20 |
| zerojay | oops | 01:20 |
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| mgedmin | broked | 01:23 |
| mgedmin | augh! | 01:23 |
| lardman | geborken surely | 01:25 |
| timeless | sp3000: ok, i think i might have found the problem, maybe | 01:29 |
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| sp3000 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405038 | 01:34 |
| sp3000 | it's late, so I didn't try to make sense about how it should work and why, except for the round-trip part which should be obvious | 01:35 |
| sp3000 | but presumably it should only screw around with characters that can be displayed without escaping, presumably there's some sort of anti-obfuscation of canonicalization deal there | 01:36 |
| sp3000 | s/of/or/ | 01:36 |
| infobot | sp3000 meant: but presumably it should only screw around with characters that can be displayed without escaping, presumably there's some sort or anti-obfuscation of canonicalization deal there | 01:36 |
| mgedmin | sp3000: what firefox version is this? | 01:38 |
| mgedmin | I can't reproduce with ffox 2.0 on linux | 01:38 |
| sp3000 | mgedmin: why, the future | 01:38 |
| sp3000 | (Version: [Trunk|v] | 01:38 |
| sp3000 | ) | 01:38 |
| mgedmin | cool | 01:38 |
| sp3000 | cool, I didn't mention any specific version in comment 0 | 01:39 |
| * sp3000 needs a nap, clearly :) | 01:39 | |
| timeless | i'm still mucking w/ mxr | 01:39 |
| timeless | i'll stop shortly | 01:39 |
| * mgedmin tries to weigh the potential amusement value and the work needed to check out and build mozilla trunk | 01:39 | |
| timeless | oh | 01:39 |
| * timeless gets it | 01:39 | |
| sp3000 | mgedmin: nightly builds | 01:39 |
| sp3000 | unless you specifically want build amusement ;) | 01:40 |
| timeless | sp3000: ok, got it | 01:40 |
| timeless | http_wash is doing me in | 01:40 |
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| mgedmin | if someone ported gnome-open to maemo, would gnome-open http://some.url work? | 01:40 |
| * mgedmin suspects the answer is "no" | 01:40 | |
| * mgedmin tries to remember the 130-character long dbus-send command line to open a url in the browser | 01:41 | |
| * mgedmin fails | 01:41 | |
| lopz | hola | 01:41 |
| sp3000 | dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url 'string:urlurl' | 01:41 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 01:43 |
| mgedmin | there should be a shell script | 01:43 |
| mgedmin | built-in | 01:43 |
| doc|work | x-chat on maemo, does is there anyway to get it to do url handling like it does on the desktop? | 01:44 |
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| timeless | sp3000: ok, i'm very confused | 02:03 |
| timeless | if the url bar says %25 | 02:04 |
| timeless | the wire seems to only send % | 02:04 |
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| sp3000 | from whom? | 02:04 |
| sp3000 | I hope you're not using something crazy like fx3 | 02:04 |
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| sp3000 | I think it eats one 25 on input and another on display :) | 02:10 |
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| pupnik | date | 02:20 |
| sp3000 | pe 23.11.2007 02:20:42 +0200 | 02:20 |
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| pupnik | :/ | 02:24 |
| pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=UZlVotSGOto ITT's Reggie with jolly candy-like N810 | 02:27 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 02:42 |
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| pupnik | moo | 02:45 |
| penguinbait | bahhhhahhahah | 02:45 |
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| doc|work | *lamb | 02:46 |
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| penguinbait | uh er, bah humbug | 02:47 |
| penguinbait | ducks | 02:47 |
| * pupnik runs | 02:47 | |
| doc|work | oh, duck, now you're clouding the issue :/ | 02:47 |
| doc|work | *blam* lamb it is | 02:47 |
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| GNUton | penguinbait: have you compiled Qt4 for maemo? | 02:51 |
| penguinbait | I was working on it, but I was having issues | 02:51 |
| GNUton | penguinbait: i've packaged it! :) | 02:52 |
| penguinbait | sweet, I will be happy to use your when building KDE4 | 02:52 |
| penguinbait | will it be in garage, or can you send me a link? | 02:52 |
| GNUton | it will be in garage soon.. | 02:53 |
| penguinbait | nice, 4.3.2? | 02:53 |
| GNUton | yeah! :) | 02:53 |
| penguinbait | are you building qt apps for maemo? | 02:54 |
| GNUton | no, i'm a kde developer... | 02:55 |
| GNUton | and i'ven't got a maemo device yet.. | 02:55 |
| gw280 | GNUton: cool, what do you hack on in KDE? | 02:55 |
| GNUton | i'm working on kblogger! | 02:55 |
| GNUton | kblogger for KDE4 | 02:55 |
| penguinbait | So are you poring KDE4 for maemo | 02:55 |
| penguinbait | porting | 02:55 |
| _Monkey | well, porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html | 02:55 |
| GNUton | penguinbait: i'hope | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | stupidmonkey | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | I just finished 3.5.8 | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | with kdepim, koffice and cups | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | 338qt | 02:56 |
| GNUton | kblogger for KDE4 it's really powerful | 02:56 |
| GNUton | but it's not complete yet.. it doesn't manage thumbnail... | 02:56 |
| penguinbait | I had kblogger in the 3.5.8 version | 02:56 |
| GNUton | kblogger for KDE3 sucks! | 02:57 |
| penguinbait | ah, I never used it | 02:57 |
| gw280 | GNUton: ah | 02:57 |
| penguinbait | Can you tell me what you did to compile qt432 in scratchbox? | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | When I tried it blows up | 03:00 |
| penguinbait | did you patch? | 03:00 |
| GNUton | penguinbait: i've patched the code, and i've modified the package.. | 03:01 |
| GNUton | rules, control.. ecc... | 03:01 |
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| penguinbait | so you will be building KDE4 and all its prereq's and putting them in garage? | 03:02 |
| GNUton | penguinbait: i hope! | 03:05 |
| penguinbait | Well its very good to have you | 03:06 |
| GNUton | :) | 03:07 |
| penguinbait | I am not a developer at all, so If I can make it run and printand work pretty darn good, I can only imagine what someone who knows what they are doing, can do :) | 03:07 |
| GNUton | i'm happy to see other people that want's run kde/qt apps on maemo! :) | 03:08 |
| pupnik | penguinbait is our point man in that department | 03:08 |
| pupnik | i hope we can someday do multiple-kernels on the device | 03:09 |
| penguinbait | I also never put anything together but giat tarballs, so easy installation would be a welcome to many | 03:09 |
| penguinbait | s/giat/giant/ | 03:09 |
| infobot | penguinbait meant: I also never put anything together but giant tarballs, so easy installation would be a welcome to many | 03:09 |
| penguinbait | me too pupnik | 03:09 |
| pupnik | tarball + shellscript is a good way | 03:09 |
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| penguinbait | I am so happy about the 2GB on the 810, its just an untar and your done | 03:10 |
| pupnik | i'd like a "oh you'd like to try out a different OS on your device? which partition? ok here we goo..." | 03:10 |
| penguinbait | might need to find somewhere to put your maps though | 03:10 |
| penguinbait | yup | 03:10 |
| pupnik | installing the multi-boot loader changed my 'tablet life' | 03:11 |
| pupnik | back up partitions, screw around with things, restore them | 03:12 |
| pupnik | it's amazing how the N810 release announcement has slowed time. | 03:12 |
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| penguinbait | hehe | 03:12 |
| penguinbait | I want my n810 and the last month has been crawling by | 03:13 |
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| |R | haha indeed :| | 03:13 |
| penguinbait | I actually accomplished more in the last month, than I did in the last year messing with KDE | 03:14 |
| penguinbait | I just want a device to play with it on now | 03:15 |
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| captlloyd | penguinbait: Yeah, same here | 03:42 |
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| captlloyd | I've had mine on order for almost 4 weeks | 03:42 |
| captlloyd | It should be here tomorrow.... hopefully.. | 03:42 |
| penguinbait | your way ahead of me | 03:43 |
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| pupnik | strange how motivation to work on things waxes and wanes | 04:02 |
| pupnik | i should keep track of my productive time and graph it | 04:02 |
| timeless | i track people by http access logs :) | 04:02 |
| timeless | hrm, i haven't done that in a while | 04:02 |
| pupnik | "An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates | 04:03 |
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| doc|fail | hey, how do you fast forward under mplayer? fast seek does nothing | 05:11 |
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| dick-richardson | I received my n810, but it doesn't appear I can install anything I was using my n800 for (ssh, gpodder, gnumeric, vnc viewer, gpe calendar, openvpn, or nano). Do they need to be ported, ie...I just need to use the n800 yet for a while? | 05:12 |
| K`zan | Last I looked there were 26 apps for 2008 and 191 for 2007, so yes, it might be a while :). | 05:13 |
| K`zan | I upgraded my n800 to 2008 and in reasonably short order flashed it back to 2007. | 05:13 |
| K`zan | Just takes time to get everything ported. | 05:14 |
| doc|fail | heh | 05:14 |
| * doc|fail wants cpu throttling :/ | 05:14 | |
| K`zan | Don't pick on me doc|fail :-). | 05:14 |
| doc|fail | i'd probably have done the same :) | 05:14 |
| dick-richardson | alright, having used debian and its derivitives for a while, it's odd not being able to apt-get dist-upgrade | 05:15 |
| K`zan | 2008 is going to be nice, I eagerly await for the n800 release. | 05:15 |
| dick-richardson | will it allow for dist-upgrades, do you know? | 05:15 |
| doc|fail | so, mplayer ideas anyone? | 05:16 |
| K`zan | Not sure it can flash itself while it is running, probably not. | 05:16 |
| K`zan | 22 minutes to CHOW! | 05:16 |
| * K`zan is starving :-) | 05:16 | |
| dick-richardson | os2008 is REALLY nice. great improvements. after 3rd party app support is there it will be dominate | 05:16 |
| K`zan | Yep, agree. | 05:16 |
| K`zan | 2007 is certainly not shabby though. | 05:17 |
| dick-richardson | no, it really isn't | 05:17 |
| dick-richardson | can you flash '07 onto the n810? that way I could use my new hardware with my old apps and sell my 800 off | 05:18 |
| dick-richardson | probably not i'd guess | 05:18 |
| K`zan | Dunno, I seemed to have some odd problems with 2008 on the n800, but it COULD have just been me and my current level of ignorance. | 05:18 |
| dick-richardson | the gps maps included don't have a great deal of detail for where I live (NE corner of South Dakota) | 05:20 |
| [pablo] | is there no osso-screenshot-tool on OS2008? | 05:20 |
| doc|fail | dick-richardson, openstreetmap based? | 05:20 |
| dick-richardson | doc|fail: I don't believe so...not sure where they're getting their maps | 05:22 |
| dick-richardson | lemme look | 05:22 |
| doc|fail | dick-richardson, if it's openstreetmap, then yeah, they're lacking here too, and i'm in downtown vancouver :) | 05:23 |
| doc|fail | it's wiki-like so they'll get better | 05:23 |
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| doc|fail | mplayer anyone? :/ | 05:30 |
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| K`zan_800 | What do I do about this?: | 07:01 |
| K`zan_800 | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit | 07:01 |
| K`zan_800 | I may have screwed up and installed that without a target selected... | 07:01 |
| K`zan_800 | Just start over from scratch (re-install scratchbox and the sdk) when I am less tired :)? | 07:02 |
| K`zan_800 | Probably a good idea. | 07:03 |
| K`zan_800 | Never mind :). | 07:03 |
| K`zan_800 | Night all. | 07:03 |
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| captlloyd | Anyone got their N810 yet this week? | 07:03 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 07:26 |
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| khertan_ | /users | 08:01 |
| khertan_ | oups ... ww | 08:01 |
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| pupnik_ | there is a cups WIP project | 08:01 |
| Khertan | yes !!! There is now a wmware for the final chinook sdk | 08:02 |
| Khertan | ! | 08:02 |
| pupnik_ | good | 08:02 |
| timeless | wmware? | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | guessing khertan is german | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | oops, no sorry :) | 08:06 |
| * timeless doesn't follow :) | 08:06 | |
| pupnik_ | germans pronounce 'w' the way english speakers pronounce 'v' | 08:07 |
| K`zan | Khertan: Where, I'm muddling through setting it up in a vm and am pretty sure I screwed it up :-(. | 08:07 |
| timeless | pupnik: but he's in france :) | 08:08 |
| timeless | and has a name that could be french or italian, but not german :) | 08:08 |
| lopz | bye | 08:11 |
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| K`zan_800 | Sure would be nice to have a vm appliance for the 2008 sdk. | 08:12 |
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| K`zan_800 | Grrr. Did anyone post a url for the vm appliance for the sdk? | 08:16 |
| captlloyd | No | 08:17 |
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| K`zan_800 | Found some but which ones they are wasn't clear, going to look more. | 08:18 |
| K`zan | Looks like they are for 2006 and 2007 :-(. | 08:21 |
| K`zan_800 | Enough, night all. | 08:23 |
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| Khertan | pupnik_: i 'm french ... but my old girl friend was german ... maybe that :) | 08:25 |
| Khertan | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 08:26 |
| Khertan | here there is a vmware image with the chinook sdk ... (i'm still downloading it) | 08:26 |
| pupnik_ | sure it contains chinook sdk? or just installer script? | 08:29 |
| Khertan | hum ... not sure | 08:29 |
| Khertan | it said : This release (0.4, "Not So Fat") is loaded with a lot of goodies: Maemo 4.0 (Chinook) and Maemo 3.2 (Bora) with Nokia Binaries Installer | 08:30 |
| Khertan | so i ll know once the download ll be finished | 08:30 |
| Khertan | only a fucking torrent ! | 08:31 |
| Khertan | there are now a download by http | 08:31 |
| Khertan | bye ... must go to work :) | 08:32 |
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| konttori | sweet. thanks for the latest vmware image tip | 08:42 |
| * konttori is downloading now | 08:42 | |
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| * konttori will be seeding for the rest of the day | 08:43 | |
| * timeless goes back to haunting konttori | 08:43 | |
| konttori | cool. but what kind of haunting? | 08:44 |
| konttori | Casper the ghost type of haunting or something else? | 08:45 |
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| pupnik_ | thx for seeding | 08:57 |
| timeless | konttori: are you on site? | 09:01 |
| timeless | what's neil macleod's irc nick? | 09:02 |
| timeless | oh brother | 09:02 |
| * timeless kicks nokia.com | 09:02 | |
| timeless | it linked me to the 2007 version of ukmp | 09:02 |
| timeless | that's going to work well | 09:02 |
| timeless | X-Fade->IsSleeping() | 09:03 |
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| rothiel | Hi guys :) | 09:32 |
| czr | mornink | 09:34 |
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| timeless | milhouse: ping | 09:55 |
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| timeless | hrm | 10:16 |
| timeless | did someone file a bug asking for os2008 to be to the right of os2007? | 10:16 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Why would you want that? | 10:17 |
| timeless | because numbers in English increase from left to right | 10:17 |
| timeless | it's not logical for them to do otherwise | 10:18 |
| timeless | it's counterintuitive | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | The most relative one first? | 10:18 |
| timeless | no | 10:18 |
| timeless | smallest | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | Relevant.. | 10:18 |
| timeless | nope | 10:18 |
| timeless | you can do: | 10:18 |
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| timeless | 2008 | 10:18 |
| timeless | 2007 | 10:18 |
| timeless | 2006 | 10:18 |
| timeless | or | 10:18 |
| timeless | 2006 2007 2008 | 10:18 |
| timeless | you can not do | 10:18 |
| timeless | 2008 2007 2006 | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | I simply don't agree ;) Newest first seems logical to me.. | 10:19 |
| X-Fade | But file a bug, let Quim decide.. | 10:19 |
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| X-Fade | I have just filed one for marking all Nokia provided applications as such.. | 10:20 |
| timeless | Bug 2367 Submitted | 10:25 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2367 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2367 | 10:25 |
| timeless | x-fade: i looked a bit closer, the problem is probably partly because the colors are bad | 10:25 |
| timeless | not enough contrast, shapes too similar | 10:25 |
| timeless | it'd probably have been less of a problem for 2007/2008/2009 :o | 10:25 |
| timeless | hrm | 10:25 |
| timeless | no, that's not a better set | 10:25 |
| timeless | 2001/2002/2003 :) | 10:26 |
| X-Fade | timeless: We had different colors for each OS at first. But that was rejected. | 10:26 |
| * timeless nods | 10:26 | |
| timeless | i'm not suggesting you use colors | 10:26 |
| timeless | merely noting that the colors contribute to the problem | 10:26 |
| timeless | the absolute lack of brandability in the numbers is a bigger problem | 10:26 |
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| timeless | the numbers 2, 3 and 4 would work better though :) | 10:26 |
| timeless | fwiw, i'm bugging Quim and others about the os name right now | 10:27 |
| timeless | (context is in scrollback/logs) | 10:27 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Good luck. Nokia is actively promoting that name ;) | 10:27 |
| timeless | which? | 10:28 |
| timeless | os2006? | 10:28 |
| _Monkey | i think os2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 | 10:28 |
| timeless | os2007? | 10:28 |
| _Monkey | os2007 is soon to be obsolete, replaced by OS2008 on the N800 and N810. | 10:28 |
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| timeless | os2008? | 10:28 |
| _Monkey | os2008 is really fast | 10:28 |
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| timeless | wow | 10:28 |
| timeless | we went from valuable to noise in two steps | 10:28 |
| timeless | btw, your alternate text sucks :) | 10:29 |
| timeless | image: http://maemo.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-ad948dee8c9011dcb47d619b18f5a144a144/thumbnail_bomberman_game | 10:29 |
| timeless | alternate text: Click on the screenshot to see a larger one! | 10:29 |
| timeless | that's not valid alternate text | 10:29 |
| timeless | do you have minefield/firefox? | 10:29 |
| X-Fade | Yep. | 10:30 |
| timeless | right click on an item in http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007 | 10:30 |
| timeless | choose properties | 10:30 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 10:38 |
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| pupnik | hi AD-N770 :) | 10:40 |
| pupnik | someday i hope to get around to learning about your NetHack | 10:41 |
| timeless | oh wierd | 10:41 |
| timeless | ok second half | 10:41 |
| timeless | tools>options (or edit>preferences?) > content > click exceptions... by load images automatically | 10:41 |
| timeless | enter maemo.org and click block | 10:41 |
| timeless | click close, close | 10:41 |
| timeless | reload the page | 10:42 |
| * timeless has no idea why the alt text doesn't appear | 10:42 | |
| X-Fade | timeless: Check the source ;) | 10:42 |
| timeless | anyway, the message "Click on the screenshot to see a larger one!" | 10:42 |
| timeless | isn't professional :) | 10:42 |
| timeless | x-fade: evil css? | 10:43 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Nah, css can't change the alt text ;) | 10:43 |
| * timeless gives up | 10:44 | |
| * timeless needs sleep | 10:44 | |
| timeless | what's the answer? | 10:44 |
| _Monkey | the answer is 42. but what is the question | 10:44 |
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| timeless | curses foiled by a bot is <reply> yep, haha, get some sleep | 10:44 |
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| L0cutus | buongiorno | 10:46 |
| doc|home | buona notte :) | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
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| * timeless curses foiled by a bot | 10:50 | |
| _Monkey | yep, haha, get some sleep | 10:50 |
| pupnik | Nokia N810 selling for 275 euro. in stock. In the USA | 10:50 |
| Jaffa | 275eur in .us? | 10:50 |
| timeless | http://www.google.com/search?q=275+eur+in+usd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 10:51 |
| pupnik | Yes, $409. dollar is at 0.6725 euro now | 10:51 |
| timeless | 275 Euros = 405.4875 U.S. dollars | 10:51 |
| timeless | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qBU&q=1+eur+in+usd&btnG=Search | 10:51 |
| timeless | 1 Euro = 1.4745 U.S. dollars | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | But the US hasn't joined the Eurozone yet ;-) | 10:51 |
| timeless | the dollar is plummetting | 10:51 |
| timeless | jaffa: is the us elligible at this point? | 10:51 |
| timeless | don't you need a stable currency? :) | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | Good point :) | 10:52 |
| timeless | just take your EU visa w/ you | 10:52 |
| timeless | pay from your Euro noted bank | 10:52 |
| dpb_ | it was 1.48something yesterday | 10:52 |
| timeless | dpb: so the dollar gained a bit of ground? | 10:52 |
| dpb_ | a tiny bit it seems | 10:53 |
| * Jaffa is in .uk - no euro here either. But at least I've got a euro cash machine just around the corner from my office. Very handy when visiting the inlaws who live just opposite the UK end of the Channel Tunnel :) | 10:53 | |
| timeless | is that legal? | 10:53 |
| dev | timeless: no, it was over 1.50 for some short time this morning | 10:54 |
| timeless | hey, how's the euro doing against the pound? | 10:54 |
| timeless | afaicr the pound has always been 2 to 1 against the dollar | 10:55 |
| timeless | and it still seems fairly close | 10:55 |
| timeless | which to me kinda implies the euro is gaining against it, am i wrong? | 10:55 |
| czr | probably there's transfer from USD to EUR going on | 10:55 |
| czr | OPEC and China to blame. they're fed up by USD sliding down. which is ironic, since now it will slide down even faster :-) | 10:56 |
| czr | and good morning all | 10:56 |
| pupnik | anybody know where the N810s are being produced? | 10:56 |
| czr | pupnik, in my basement | 10:56 |
| timeless | the protos were made in finland | 10:56 |
| timeless | dunno about the real devices | 10:56 |
| timeless | http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html | 10:57 |
| timeless | doesn't show 1.5 | 10:57 |
| pupnik | amazed at how cheap they're selling in the USA | 10:57 |
| timeless | pupnik: it's not cheap | 10:57 |
| timeless | cheap is $299 | 10:57 |
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| timeless | anything over that is "expensive" | 10:57 |
| timeless | and for the time being european companies can't afford to break 1x=1x markings | 10:57 |
| timeless | it'd mean losing the market to american companies | 10:57 |
| timeless | that's the funny part | 10:58 |
| * czr considers helping the US economy by buying a macmini to bring back with him | 10:58 | |
| timeless | while it hurts some parts of the us | 10:58 |
| czr | apple uses the evil 1=1 ratio | 10:58 |
| dev | timeless: was in the news here around 2h ago | 10:58 |
| timeless | it helps american tech firms | 10:58 |
| timeless | since they can sell to europe cheaper :) | 10:58 |
| timeless | or make more profit, whichever | 10:58 |
| timeless | (of course, that assumes that supplies don't reprice, but i think atm they aren't) | 10:59 |
| pupnik | this situation will really hurt germany | 10:59 |
| czr | germany is doing pretty well still, last I hear | 10:59 |
| czr | heard even | 10:59 |
| timeless | you mean poor german automotive industry? | 10:59 |
| timeless | or do you mean fr/de airbus? | 10:59 |
| * timeless looks for a tear to shed | 10:59 | |
| pupnik | them too | 10:59 |
| * timeless decides not to find one | 10:59 | |
| * czr gives one | 10:59 | |
| timeless | sorry, airbus is state sponsored | 11:00 |
| timeless | it does not get any sympathy | 11:00 |
| czr | everything is state sponsored | 11:00 |
| * timeless actually thinks the product is inferrior too | 11:00 | |
| czr | the food you eat is state sponsored :-) | 11:00 |
| czr | it'd be interesting if all of the sudden there'd be exactly same taxation and other things all over the world in all countries, and all forms of subsidies would be banned | 11:01 |
| czr | I wonder what would happen | 11:01 |
| timeless | that's not sufficient | 11:01 |
| dev | pupnik: no, that will have little to none imapct | 11:01 |
| timeless | you need regulation and enforcement | 11:01 |
| timeless | w/o that, the chinese still have unfair advantages | 11:01 |
| timeless | they can use lead paint on toys | 11:02 |
| timeless | or add the lead paint later | 11:02 |
| czr | true. | 11:02 |
| * czr proposes a single dictatorship to govern all earth | 11:03 | |
| czr | that way same rules would apply to everyone :-) | 11:03 |
| dev | the USD is overrated for a long time, and was more or less only on that level cause it is(was) the currency for oil and other federal banks bought USD to support it | 11:03 |
| timeless | dev: you're an ecconomist? | 11:04 |
| timeless | s/cc/c/ | 11:04 |
| infobot | timeless meant: dev: you're an economist? | 11:04 |
| dev | timeless: not really, but looked at it in some detail for some "talk" a gave a few monts ago | 11:04 |
| dev | +h | 11:04 |
| pupnik | M3 growing at ca. 14% apr right now | 11:05 |
| timeless | m3? | 11:05 |
| pupnik | a measure of the dollar supply | 11:05 |
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| dev | if you are interested in understanding that USD vs. EUR thing you need to start with Bretton Woods | 11:05 |
| pupnik | i have studied this | 11:06 |
| timeless | pupnik: but thehy stopped publishing m3 in march, no? :) | 11:06 |
| dev | pupnik: nice | 11:07 |
| sv-en | Is it complicated to run and manage a own repository? Any docs out there? | 11:08 |
| timeless | maintaining a repository can be easy or hard | 11:08 |
| timeless | depending on how much you're managing and how fast it's changning | 11:08 |
| * timeless should have slept last night | 11:08 | |
| Jaffa | But it's almost certainly better to use extras-devel and/or extras (from a user point of view) | 11:09 |
| timeless | yes | 11:09 |
| sv-en | Only my own packages | 11:09 |
| timeless | more repositories are bad | 11:09 |
| timeless | that way lies the dark side | 11:09 |
| Jaffa | sv-en: no-one else if ever going to use them? | 11:09 |
| timeless | or something | 11:09 |
| timeless | :) | 11:09 |
| Jaffa | timeless: :) | 11:09 |
| sv-en | Perhaps, who knows it yet | 11:09 |
| timeless | oh, that was march of 2006 :) | 11:10 |
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| sv-en | I ve tested os2008... its crap. menu to large and the browser breaks the websites layout often. No realplayer (yet)... | 11:13 |
| timeless | no realplayer? | 11:13 |
| timeless | confused | 11:13 |
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| timeless | Media player supports some real audio/video formats | 11:13 |
| timeless | and what web sites? | 11:13 |
| dev | timeless: yes, last year, since 18months the fed doesn't tell anymore how much presidents they print ;-) | 11:14 |
| timeless | and are you using fit width to view? | 11:14 |
| sv-en | It said unsupportes codec with my os07 bookmarks | 11:14 |
| timeless | sv-en: bugs.maemo.org | 11:14 |
| _Monkey | somebody said bugs.maemo.org was configured to use UTF8, and i've recoded all the people i could find who were using ISO-8859-1 | 11:14 |
| timeless | if it doesn't handle .. oh brother | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | sv-en: if something worked before, doesn't work now and hasn't changed at the other end, raise a bug (or two) | 11:14 |
| timeless | _monkey forget bugs.maemo.org | 11:14 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot bugs.maemo.org | 11:14 |
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| timeless | bugs.maemo.org is \where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications | 11:15 |
| timeless | bugs.maemo.org! | 11:15 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it bugs.maemo.org is where people should report problems about software relating to maemo core applications | 11:15 |
| timeless | good bot | 11:15 |
| sv-en | Iam back on os07, but if i find time ill bug it | 11:15 |
| timeless | if you don't, you're unsubstantiated rumor mongling | 11:15 |
| timeless | fudd isn't good :) | 11:16 |
| timeless | if you have urls you remember not working, you can share them here | 11:16 |
| timeless | someone will gladly test and help you report the bug | 11:16 |
| timeless | no requirement for you to reflash | 11:16 |
| timeless | actually, maybe elmer was good | 11:16 |
| Jaffa | Not particulalry at hunting wabbits | 11:16 |
| * czr was impressed with the speed that 2348 was fixed | 11:16 | |
| czr | took 20 hours! | 11:17 |
| czr | slightly less even | 11:17 |
| timeless | czr: it doesn't say what it's for :! | 11:17 |
| timeless | Latest releases | 11:17 |
| timeless | * maemo 4.0 'chinook' | 11:17 |
| timeless | * maemo 3.2 'bora' for Nokia N800 development | 11:17 |
| timeless | * maemo 2.2 'gregale' for Nokia 770 development | 11:17 |
| czr | ah, true :-) | 11:17 |
| czr | I'll amend the bug :-) | 11:17 |
| timeless | :) | 11:17 |
| Jaffa | Woohoo, I'm on the front page of http://maemo.org/profile/list now. Just need to maintain that until the (N810 + x) gets released ;-) | 11:18 |
| timeless | hrm, i'm not | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | Of course, maybe I shouldn't be holding my breath for the N810 either... :-/ | 11:18 |
| timeless | gah | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | timeless: which seems odd with all your bugzilla activity and helping on IRC | 11:18 |
| timeless | there i am | 11:19 |
| timeless | page 6 | 11:19 |
| timeless | -, timeless | 11:19 |
| * timeless sighs | 11:19 | |
| czr | page 8 for me | 11:20 |
| * czr has only bad karma | 11:20 | |
| suihkulokki | irc destroys spermcells^Wproductivity | 11:21 |
| suihkulokki | -> bad karma | 11:21 |
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| czr | although, bad karma is still better than bad korma. | 11:21 |
| * timeless files another bug | 11:21 | |
| timeless | bugzilla_reported 8 | 11:22 |
| timeless | what kind of score is that? | 11:22 |
| czr | infinite with 90 degree rotation = bestest. | 11:22 |
| czr | was that a trick question? :-) | 11:22 |
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| timeless | ReporterNumber of bugs | 11:25 |
| timeless | quim.gil@nokia.com128 | 11:25 |
| timeless | jarmo.tikka@nokia.com94 | 11:25 |
| timeless | tommi.komulainen@nokia.com51 | 11:25 |
| timeless | timeless@gmail.com50 | 11:25 |
| timeless | i'm #4 | 11:25 |
| timeless | how can i have such a bad karma? | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | Email addresses now lining up? | 11:26 |
| timeless | ? | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | s/now/not/ | 11:26 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Email addresses not lining up? | 11:26 |
| timeless | it'd be 0 otherwise, no? | 11:26 |
| timeless | there's only 1 timeless in each, and they're all the same | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. | 11:26 |
| timeless | ok, how does one search for a user? | 11:27 |
| timeless | what's a "listd"? | 11:27 |
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| Jaffa | I don't think you can search, you can just go directly to profiles | 11:29 |
| timeless | Bug 2370 Submitted | 11:29 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2370 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2370 | 11:29 |
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| timeless | ok, http://maemo.org/profile/view/jaffa | 11:30 |
| timeless | bugzilla_reported 32 | 11:30 |
| czr | damn, you stole 70 from me! | 11:30 |
| czr | oh hmm. never mind, forgot I was appending a bug instead of filing a new one :-) | 11:30 |
| timeless | ReporterNumber of bugs | 11:30 |
| timeless | andrew@bleb.org14 | 11:30 |
| timeless | you could have filed a new bug :) | 11:30 |
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| czr | I decided against it | 11:31 |
| czr | since I want only bad karma | 11:31 |
| timeless | heh | 11:31 |
| czr | but yes, I could've :-) | 11:31 |
| timeless | jaffa: this is no fair | 11:31 |
| czr | ( 2369 ) | 11:31 |
| _Monkey | 2369 | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | timeless: very odd. I think bugzilla_reported is misnamed (although there's no explanation as to what any of the categories are), I *think* it really means "bugzilla participation/usage" | 11:31 |
| timeless | um, ok... | 11:31 |
| timeless | hrm, i get points for favorites and burries? | 11:32 |
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| * timeless needs to go bury some things | 11:32 | |
| timeless | nah, first i'll file a bug on planet | 11:32 |
| timeless | x-fade/jaffa: ok, i don't get it | 11:35 |
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| timeless | the link sizes are 0px x 0px | 11:36 |
| timeless | for fav / bury | 11:36 |
| * Jaffa 's not looked at the HTML, I assumed it was of the form <a href="..."><img src="fav" width="16" height="16" /></a> | 11:37 | |
| timeless | strange | 11:38 |
| timeless | it works on my tablet | 11:38 |
| czr | timeless, 2369 :-) | 11:38 |
| timeless | "Task navigator", "from which to pick" | 11:39 |
| czr | not Task Navigator, right? | 11:40 |
| timeless | right | 11:40 |
| czr | was thinking about that, but wasn't really sure | 11:40 |
| timeless | i suppose i could try to figure out how to prove that | 11:40 |
| timeless | the style says only first words | 11:40 |
| timeless | but that second word doesn't apear anywhere | 11:40 |
| czr | I think it's the same issue as with "Application damager" | 11:41 |
| timeless | yes | 11:41 |
| timeless | s/referrred to/referenced/ | 11:41 |
| timeless | gah | 11:41 |
| czr | I know my language sucks in the bug-reports | 11:42 |
| czr | I don't spent too much time writing them anyway | 11:42 |
| timeless | ok, lunch, then Finnish lessons | 11:42 |
| czr | added the TN issue | 11:42 |
| timeless | have an interesting weekend | 11:42 |
| czr | timeless, oh, you won't be around 1:35? | 11:42 |
| timeless | i will | 11:43 |
| timeless | call | 11:43 |
| czr | ah, ok. I'll ping you then :-) | 11:43 |
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| czr | damn all this i18n stuff is scary. my emails contain chinese nowadays! | 11:57 |
| czr | and the glyphs are pretty too. except for numerals. | 11:57 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 12:11 |
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| bedboi | anyone knows where mpeg2dec gst plugin is located? | 12:13 |
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| GNUton | bedboi: whereis mpeg2dec | 12:17 |
| GNUton | or dpkg -S mpeg2dec | 12:17 |
| bedboi | it should be in plugins-ugly | 12:18 |
| bedboi | i'll try to port them to os2008 | 12:19 |
| GNUton | :) | 12:22 |
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| czr | bedboi, is there also plugins-pretty? :-) | 12:26 |
| bedboi | :) | 12:26 |
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| * czr crosses them too | 12:31 | |
| czr | pair coding taken to the next level. the first person will code with fingers crossed why the other makes sure that they're crossed all the time. | 12:32 |
| * L0cutus need a port of gnucash to Os2007/Os2008 :) | 12:33 | |
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| GNUton | Ciao L0cutus! :) | 12:37 |
| GNUton | L0cutus: you can try to port it yourself! :P | 12:38 |
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| L0cutus | lol | 12:38 |
| GNUton | L0cutus: :) | 12:38 |
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| * L0cutus is lacking of know how :) | 12:41 | |
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| mgedmin | isn't it time to retire http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog (delete all content, replace it with a link to maemo.org/downloads)? | 13:15 |
| mgedmin | are there any apps in there that aren't present in the app catalog? | 13:16 |
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| trickie | cd .. | 13:18 |
| trickie | oops :) | 13:18 |
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| lardman | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135027 cut down internet tablet over gpsr | 13:34 |
| gla55_ | ah that one | 13:35 |
| gla55_ | 20h per month for "no charge" isn't that much | 13:36 |
| gla55_ | considering you pay for the connection with buying the device | 13:36 |
| lardman | I'd never seen anything like it | 13:36 |
| gla55_ | proxyservers sit in between too | 13:36 |
| gla55_ | saw a review for it somewhere... | 13:37 |
| gla55_ | hmmmmmm | 13:37 |
| gla55_ | maybe on el reg | 13:37 |
| lardman | sponsored links | 13:37 |
| lardman | supposed to be part of its revenue model | 13:37 |
| gla55_ | after reading the review i wasnt that sure that they'd be around for few years.. | 13:38 |
| gla55_ | it's like a poor mans e90 | 13:38 |
| lardman | true, in which case I suppose one could stick a new sim card in | 13:38 |
| lardman | yeah, with no voice | 13:38 |
| gla55_ | lardman: the sw inside probably wont workout without their proxy servers | 13:38 |
| gla55_ | that re-enc pics etc to cut down on traffic | 13:39 |
| gla55_ | and make easier to render | 13:39 |
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| lardman | I was looking to see what the actual hw is, but can't see any mention, and whether anyone's tried to hack it yet | 13:39 |
| lardman | anyway, I don't think it'll knock the N810 off its perch | 13:40 |
| gla55_ | hehe | 13:40 |
| gla55_ | certainly not | 13:40 |
| gla55_ | the hw is probably quite light | 13:40 |
| gla55_ | cheap | 13:41 |
| gla55_ | dunno if parts of the browser tech come from opera or such | 13:41 |
| lardman | supposed to do flash, etc. | 13:41 |
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| gla55_ | hmm? it is? | 13:41 |
| gla55_ | never seen mention of that | 13:41 |
| gla55_ | and the compression tech is opera mini-ish | 13:42 |
| lardman | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/13/preview_datawind_pocketsurfer_2/page3.html | 13:42 |
| lardman | Datawind said its browser can handle all the key webpage components - ActiveX, Flash, PDF, Java, JavaScript, SSL security and so on - and HTML elements like frames, and while we didn't have an opportunity to try all these out last night, we can confirm some of them do work and work well. | 13:42 |
| gla55_ | i find that a bit of a stretch | 13:43 |
| gla55_ | activex especially | 13:43 |
| gla55_ | .. | 13:43 |
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| lardman | might be pocketpc based | 13:44 |
| lardman | do they do activex? | 13:44 |
| gla55_ | not that i know, properly at least | 13:44 |
| gla55_ | maybe some special for-pocket-ie version of activex.. | 13:44 |
| gla55_ | googling for pocket ie activex finds some stuff | 13:45 |
| gla55_ | seems like special arm stuff though, of course... | 13:46 |
| gla55_ | for components you install yourself | 13:47 |
| lardman | ah well, who cares about all that ActiveX stuff anyway! | 13:50 |
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| gla55_ | maybe someone doing some custom app for some client they can dictate to use some confusing system | 13:50 |
| pupnik | we hates it (gollum) | 13:50 |
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| gla55_ | that pocketsurfer is very regionally limited too though | 13:51 |
| gla55_ | so no intrest for me at all :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | likewise, just saw a shiny gadget | 13:51 |
| lardman | pupnik: you'll be glad to hear I've started work on debugging the tremor task, and spotted a schoolboy error with the mp3 one that was making it fail | 13:52 |
| pupnik | nice | 13:53 |
| lardman | I've also had a chap from Bristol contact me who's interested in working on an SBC (a2dp) task | 13:54 |
| lardman | I do wonder if Nokia are working on that though, in which case it doesn't make much sense for us to start anyway | 13:55 |
| pupnik | yeh i was hoping your work would inspire others too (and help pave the way with code) | 13:55 |
| lardman | yeah, seems to be slow progress, but I'm sure we'll get there | 13:55 |
| * pupnik hands lardman a freshly sharpened machete | 13:56 | |
| lardman | if the mp3 task works, then it will make porting easier as everything can be done in a seperate thread (i.e. no major changes to structure of a decoder) just with semaphores added | 13:56 |
| lardman | I see the dsp kernel is ~200kb larger on os2008, I must check and see if they've added sbc in there and not told us :) | 13:56 |
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| pupnik | you're doing your own mp3 player or trying to build the existing one? | 14:01 |
| pupnik | i'm missing something here | 14:02 |
| lardman | Serge sent me some code someone had written | 14:02 |
| lardman | He's interested in an open source one as there are some issues with the closed source one | 14:02 |
| lardman | it's good to see how someone else writes decoders, rather than just the arm-side stuff we've got for the closed source ones | 14:03 |
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| timeless | sp3000: ping | 14:27 |
| timeless | can you try banning images from maemo.org in minefield and loading http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 14:27 |
| timeless | when i do it, i don't see the fav/bury links | 14:28 |
| timeless | but on my n810 i do when i disable loading images | 14:28 |
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| Minti | i am using tree_store and attaching "row-activated" signal to treeview but this signal is not able to capture on maemo side | 14:31 |
| Minti | how it is possible? | 14:31 |
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| Minti | why it is not able to connect ? can anyone ans plz ? | 14:33 |
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| guardian | hi | 14:36 |
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| alterego | Urgh .. | 14:54 |
| alterego | The sound of a hang over. | 14:55 |
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| * keesj had a work-party yesterday | 15:01 | |
| alterego | I could do with going back to bed. | 15:03 |
| alterego | I feel pretty ill :S | 15:03 |
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| alterego | I'm gonna work from bed today me thinks. | 15:12 |
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| Khertan | hi | 15:20 |
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| lardman | anyone know if a2dp works on the 770? | 15:55 |
| lardman | has anyone tried it? | 15:55 |
| alterego | Can BT 1.1 handle it? | 15:56 |
| * pupnik whistles atonally | 15:58 | |
| lardman | I'm not sure | 15:58 |
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| lardman | surely there must have been a 770 user who wanted to try, somewhere... | 16:00 |
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| alterego | Who's Sherly? | 16:02 |
| lardman | don't call me shirley! | 16:03 |
| alterego | Ah, that's how you spell it. | 16:03 |
| * lardman must watch Airplane soon | 16:04 | |
| alterego | Not a very common name ;) | 16:04 |
| lardman | not really here either, 20 years ago it probably was | 16:04 |
| alterego | Yes, 20 years ago. Just before the mass Shirley culling? | 16:04 |
| lardman | exactly | 16:04 |
| lardman | one can only hope for a Britney culling | 16:05 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:05 |
| alterego | I'd vote for that. | 16:05 |
| * Jaffa was going to make a reference to "hoping for an N810 sometime soon"; but thing I've also done one of those comments today, so will refrain | 16:05 | |
| Jaffa | s/thing/think/ | 16:05 |
| lardman | +1 from /me | 16:06 |
| czr | /0 from me | 16:07 |
| * alterego hopes the N810 will arrive in the UK today. | 16:07 | |
| lardman | any reason (to think that)? | 16:07 |
| alterego | No | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | Hope over experience? | 16:07 |
| alterego | I'm just hoping :) | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | It's nearly too late for next day delivery to be monday | 16:08 |
| lardman | I'll add my hopes too then | 16:08 |
| alterego | Yeah | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | If we all hope simultaneously... | 16:09 |
| lardman | Anyone here with 770HE? | 16:09 |
| alterego | :) | 16:09 |
| czr | it will be delivered in 4 weeks | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | ...and we'll die from suffocation. | 16:09 |
| alterego | (Clap your hands if you believe the N810 exists) | 16:09 |
| lardman | what, hacker edition? | 16:09 |
| * czr only sees N00 | 16:09 | |
| Jaffa | I want a new toy. I want it before I go on holiday next week | 16:09 |
| alterego | I think the N810 is some sick april fools joke. | 16:09 |
| czr | alterego, ssh | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | well, next week == start of dec. | 16:10 |
| lardman | To someone with a 770 running hacker edition, do the dsp tasks work? I.e. can you play mp3s, etc.? | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | czr: maybe it's just an internal joke to play on gullible consumers. | 16:10 |
| alterego | Yeah | 16:10 |
| czr | Jaffa, it goes much deeper than that. even people inside N think they're developing software for it. | 16:10 |
| czr | those fools.. | 16:10 |
| alterego | I bet the N810 photo's are fake. Like the moon landing. | 16:10 |
| * Jaffa doesn't understand how it can be launched officially in the US, but without the discount codes working and only available in-store; and not launched anywhere else. It's totally fubar. | 16:10 | |
| alterego | Seriously? | 16:11 |
| alterego | It's only available in US shops? | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | The N810 is based on alien technology recovered from Roswell, so the CIA has now stopped Nokia from launching it anywhere except in US physical stores. Possibly as some kind of mind-control device. | 16:11 |
| alterego | Not nokia usa? | 16:11 |
| alterego | Ah, that makes sense. | 16:12 |
| lardman | I don't see a big issue there really, we're getting a big discount (why should we be first), the US is large = lots of customers | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | Nope. NokiaUSA.com says 2007-12-19 as the release date. | 16:12 |
| tsavola | aliens used linux back in 1940's | 16:12 |
| alterego | lardman, we should be first because we're developing software for it ;) | 16:12 |
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| lardman | pupnik: you about? | 16:12 |
| tsavola | linus just ported it to the i386 in 1991 | 16:12 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 16:12 |
| czr | tsavola, explains why your eyes glow green in the dark :-) | 16:12 |
| Khertan | tsavola > lol | 16:12 |
| tsavola | czr: not to mention my pen.. | 16:12 |
| alterego | So how come Nokia USA get a release date whilst the rest of us are left in the dark? | 16:13 |
| czr | tsavola, no reason to get _that_ personal! | 16:13 |
| tsavola | czr: you don't like my pen? | 16:13 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:13 |
| czr | tsavola, I think it's too long to be of any real use. | 16:13 |
| tsavola | :D | 16:13 |
| Veggen | alterego: could be just educated guesses? | 16:13 |
| czr | tsavola, don't people complain about it? | 16:13 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: don't worry, it seems to change on a daily basis. And again, doesn't make much sense when Nokia US have put out a press release saying it's now available to buy (but not from them online) | 16:13 |
| Khertan | alterego: a gamble between N Team ? :) | 16:13 |
| tsavola | czr: they like to borrow it | 16:13 |
| alterego | Veggen, Nokia USA is owned by Nokia do you think they'd put false information on their own site? (intentionally of course) | 16:13 |
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| pupnik | yes lardman | 16:13 |
| czr | tsavola, that's just evil :-) | 16:13 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 16:13 | |
| tsavola | czr: i get good money renting its use | 16:14 |
| pupnik | just dealing with some massive idiocy | 16:14 |
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| Veggen | alterego: Friends of mine write a technical book. Way long before it was finished, it was available for pre-order, and with "213 pages" in the description ;) | 16:14 |
| lardman | pupnik: you run HE? | 16:14 |
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| Jaffa | Veggen: heh | 16:14 |
| alterego | Hah, maybe they just new how long it'd be ;) | 16:14 |
| pupnik | no, and i'm sorry to say i don't have an image handy on mmc | 16:14 |
| * alterego gives up on the 212th hypothetical page. | 16:14 | |
| pupnik | but i need to, and i plan to | 16:14 |
| lardman | pupnik: do you know how well it supports the hw? Ie. does the DSP now work? | 16:15 |
| Khertan | i don't know if you have see but there is an other firmware to leak :) | 16:15 |
| pupnik | lardman: yes dsp works - just needed a little change in a config | 16:15 |
| Khertan | RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:15 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:15 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | Oooh, interesting. Very interesting: Use nokia.co.uk's search to find references to "N810" and the only one is yesterday, the support site going live: http://www.nokia.co.uk/EUROPE_NOKIA_COM_3/Get_Support/RSS/supportnews.xml | 16:15 |
| alterego | Jaffa, that's good news .. | 16:16 |
| pupnik | it's possible that the various internationalization / keyboards are the reason for delay in europe | 16:16 |
| czr | tsavola, have you thought about franchising your pen? | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: Someone @Nokia told me UK & US ones are the same (although obviously chargers & packaging are probably different) | 16:16 |
| alterego | I guess that's a good reason. | 16:16 |
| czr | "Fello Americans! You too can now Experience the T. Savola Pen!" | 16:17 |
| czr | +w | 16:17 |
| alterego | I think I prefered the alien technology one better. | 16:17 |
| Veggen | seems the book is at 184 pages, now. | 16:17 |
| Veggen | I think it's in the print, now. | 16:17 |
| alterego | Jaffa, there's a product information page too. | 16:18 |
| Khertan | it's possible that the various internationalization / keyboards are the reason for delay in europe > NO PLEASE ! I want a QWERTY keyboard | 16:18 |
| pupnik | same here, but i'll take anything | 16:19 |
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| alterego | It's not just the mapping, for instance in the UK the currency is £ not $ | 16:20 |
| alterego | Which is reflected in the key mapping (usually) | 16:20 |
| alterego | Anyone watch that BSG Razor thingy? | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/devices/n810/n810_02_web_low.jpg shows that the QWERTY keyboard has USD, EUR & GBP | 16:21 |
| alterego | Worth a peek? | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | alterego: definitely. it's very *very* good | 16:21 |
| alterego | Cool, there's an ep on tomorrow. | 16:21 |
| Khertan | alterego > i see it ... ... bof bof | 16:21 |
| alterego | I'll watch the one that aired in October in a few minutes. | 16:21 |
| Khertan | alterego > maybe i ve waited too long time ... | 16:22 |
| Khertan | alterego > maybe i'm asking too much | 16:22 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:22 |
| alterego | What are you on about? | 16:22 |
| Khertan | alterego > it a good double episode ... not less, not much | 16:22 |
| alterego | Cool. | 16:23 |
| Khertan | alterego > sometime a bit slow ... | 16:23 |
| alterego | Well, it's 1 1/2 hours long ^_^ | 16:23 |
| Khertan | yes :) | 16:24 |
| alterego | I want to see Roswell Aliens in BSG | 16:24 |
| alterego | More aliens! | 16:24 |
| alterego | Maybe Xenomorphs | 16:24 |
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| alterego | Starbuck Vs. Ripley | 16:25 |
| sp3000 | timeless: 169161 I suppose | 16:25 |
| sp3000 | which is odd, I'd have thought that would be essential or something | 16:25 |
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| L0cutus | maemo.org RIP | 16:27 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:28 |
| alterego | Someone should consider mirroring that site for Nokia ;) | 16:28 |
| alterego | czr, 'selector.flip.flop.to_blob' Ruby poetry ;) | 16:29 |
| alterego | Maybe Ruby rap .. | 16:29 |
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| Khertan | L0cutus > maemo is dead like all friday ... as nokia announce new thing friday i think there are too many connections | 16:30 |
| * czr smacks alterego around with a trout called "Flip Flop" | 16:30 | |
| alterego | :) | 16:30 |
| L0cutus | lol | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: there's a new thing announced today? | 16:30 |
| L0cutus | too many nXXX users out there... | 16:30 |
| alterego | That's cute. Do you name all of your fish? | 16:30 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > i don't think :) | 16:30 |
| czr | alterego, it's my neighbours | 16:30 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:30 |
| czr | mine go by numbers | 16:31 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > there is a new firmware for n810 :) (still installable on n800 :) | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: ah, yeah. | 16:31 |
| czr | hmm. does it fix anything? | 16:31 |
| czr | on n810 I mean | 16:32 |
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| Khertan | don't know | 16:32 |
| * czr nods | 16:32 | |
| Khertan | there is no changelog in firmware pages :) | 16:32 |
| czr | there's no changelogs anywhere :-) | 16:32 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:32 |
| Khertan | lol ... | 16:32 |
| czr | or rather, there might be, but they're normally pretty non-verbose and cryptic | 16:32 |
| shackan | again!? | 16:33 |
| alterego | Khertan, if you find out any changes let me know ;) | 16:33 |
| Khertan | czr> maybe in there own bug tracker at nokia | 16:33 |
| czr | Khertan, maybe | 16:33 |
| Khertan | alterego> don't see one | 16:33 |
| czr | or maybe they write the changelogs in white ink, so that people using white background in terminals won't see the secret message | 16:33 |
| * czr shrugs | 16:33 | |
| Khertan | there is also an new support page for the n810 on the nokia europe | 16:33 |
| alterego | Hang on .. Shouldn't you be able to update with apt-get upgrade ? | 16:33 |
| alterego | Khertan, yes. We were talking about that earlier. | 16:34 |
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| Khertan | ah lol don't see it :) | 16:34 |
| lardman | what about a binary diff of the rootfs's | 16:34 |
| czr | Khertan, try changing the background color in your terminal | 16:34 |
| Khertan | it s google alert wicch send me a mail :) | 16:34 |
| Khertan | czr> it's already yellow foreground on pink background | 16:35 |
| czr | pink background? that explains it | 16:35 |
| alterego | lardman, I think a filesystem tree diff would be better ;) | 16:35 |
| czr | you've hit the "Linux is unstable with pink background"-bug | 16:35 |
| Khertan | czr> lol | 16:35 |
| lardman | alterego: yeah, compression | 16:35 |
| alterego | I'll run a comparison myself actually :) | 16:36 |
| Khertan | maybe i should try to use hachoir on the firmware :) | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: indeed, we noticed about half an hour ago. | 16:36 |
| Jaffa | (on the support page :-)) | 16:36 |
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| lardman | what days were the 770 and N800 released on? | 16:37 |
| czr | friday | 16:38 |
| _Monkey | i guess friday is comming up again :D | 16:38 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:39 |
| lardman | _Monkey: coming is the correct spelling | 16:39 |
| _Monkey | OK, lardman. | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey in insightful and humourous comment shocker. | 16:39 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: i'm not following you... | 16:39 |
| vegai | as the spanish like to say... manana | 16:39 |
| * vegai cannot type the fancy n ;-/ | 16:39 | |
| lardman | oh no, what have I just taught _Monkey | 16:39 |
| czr | the finnish replace that with maanantaina | 16:39 |
| lardman | coming? | 16:39 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that coming is the correct spelling | 16:39 |
| lardman | lol | 16:39 |
| vegai | cuming? | 16:39 |
| lardman | _Monkey: vegai is rude | 16:40 |
| _Monkey | OK, lardman. | 16:40 |
| lardman | vegai? | 16:40 |
| _Monkey | vegai is, like, rude | 16:40 |
| vegai | he got me. | 16:40 |
| lardman | vegai: unteach him if you want | 16:40 |
| czr | _Monkey, unlearn being a useless bot! | 16:41 |
| _Monkey | czr: what? | 16:41 |
| czr | lardman, doesn't work.. | 16:41 |
| czr | an useless even. | 16:41 |
| lardman | czr: I wonder what "forget everything" does? | 16:41 |
| * czr runs in shame | 16:41 | |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget coming | 16:41 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot coming | 16:41 |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget vegai | 16:41 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot vegai | 16:41 |
| pupnik | don't forget to set <reply> | 16:42 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: coming is <reply> | 16:42 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 16:42 |
| pupnik | which is totally annoying to have to do | 16:42 |
| captlloyd | Nov 23, 2007 7:54 AM At local FedEx facility <--- I think I get it today, yay :) | 16:42 |
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| Jaffa | captlloyd: not a way to win friends ;-p | 16:44 |
| Khertan | coming | 16:44 |
| sp3000 | tmi | 16:44 |
| Khertan | _Monkey coming | 16:44 |
| _Monkey | Khertan: what? | 16:45 |
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| Khertan | _Monkey | 16:45 |
| _Monkey | Khertan? | 16:45 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:45 |
| GNUton | bye | 16:45 |
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| pupnik | i'm pondering a raised plastic ring for the N810 dpad | 16:46 |
| lophyte | morning all | 16:46 |
| pupnik | would need to have some stickyness but not too much - maybe double-sided tape | 16:46 |
| Khertan | me i hope the sliding keyboard will not be too fragil | 16:48 |
| Khertan | http://www.redferret.net/Images/eleksen2sidedfabrickeyboard_small.jpg < very funny | 16:50 |
| lardman | alpha on one side & calc on the other? | 16:51 |
| Khertan | http://europe.nokia.com/A4680127 the changelog for the new firmware :) | 16:51 |
| Khertan | many explications, details on the changes ... | 16:52 |
| czr | "This release includes a fix for stability improvement. We recommend everyone to upgrade to this software release." | 16:52 |
| lardman | :) | 16:52 |
| czr | they fixed the stability improvement! | 16:52 |
| captlloyd | YAY! | 16:52 |
| captlloyd | Stability improvement | 16:52 |
| czr | now it's unstable again. | 16:52 |
| Khertan | lol | 16:52 |
| captlloyd | yeah, I am so glad they fixed that. | 16:53 |
| czr | it really got on my nerves :-) | 16:53 |
| captlloyd | the tablets were just TOO stable before the fix | 16:53 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:53 |
| czr | captlloyd, yeah, how on earth does Nokia suppose people can even use them for development? :-) | 16:53 |
| alterego | Yeah, stability is for people who like being robots. | 16:53 |
| czr | yeah! | 16:54 |
| Khertan | the bug wich i hope they fix is on the thumb keyboard ... double all my sentence each time | 16:54 |
| alterego | I'd like them to sort out the vkb in microb .. | 16:54 |
| L0cutus | hu ? | 16:55 |
| Khertan | ha ! | 16:55 |
| alterego | Using it for form entry is a joke. | 16:55 |
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| * lardman could do with a beer, all this waiting is stressful | 16:56 | |
| L0cutus | a new firmware to leak ? :) | 16:56 |
| alterego | Urgh .. Don't .. My hangover has only just subsided ;) | 16:56 |
| Khertan | using it is a joke :) | 16:56 |
| lardman | alterego: hair of the dog | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | L0cutus: it's not a leak, the N810 is launched in some US shops | 16:57 |
| * Jaffa 's brother is round for dinner tonight. Mrs. Jaffa will have to suffer some beer consumption | 16:57 | |
| L0cutus | i mean for our n800 :) | 16:57 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | Well, "leak" is still wrong - "hack" is better :) | 16:57 |
| alterego | Mrs. Jaffa .. That's cute ;) | 16:57 |
| L0cutus | hehe | 16:57 |
| alterego | Well, it would be more cute if you were Jabba | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | TTOTD: Women don't like being referenced as Jabba *ever*. | 16:58 |
| alterego | ;) | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | Trust me, I've learnt this from personal experience ;-) | 16:58 |
| alterego | Hahah | 16:58 |
| alterego | I'm not that stupid :P | 16:58 |
| lardman | lol | 16:58 |
| czr | we can't know that alterego | 16:59 |
| alterego | Well .. I'm not _that_ stupid ;) | 16:59 |
| alterego | I openly admit I'm a huge dumbass ;) | 16:59 |
| czr | we can't know _that_ either :-) | 16:59 |
| lardman | it may be that every time you say something like that she knocks you unconsicious and you forget what you did wrong | 16:59 |
| czr | heh | 16:59 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:00 |
| alterego | Yes, that sounds plausible. | 17:00 |
| czr | hmm. that could work at work too. "Why isn't your stuff done yet?!" "I Don't know. I started working on it last week, and then somehow monday turned into friday. I have no idea" | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | And then aliens abduct you, to experiment on the best way to torture a developer waiting for the N810 release. | 17:00 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 17:01 |
| alterego | I'm still convinced that the N810 is just a bad joke :P | 17:01 |
| bedboi | lol | 17:01 |
| lardman | there's surely only one worse torture, to see the web stores come on line one by one, but not your one! | 17:01 |
| czr | you could fake one lardman | 17:02 |
| czr | no one would ever know the difference | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | New phishing scam to collect loads of device codes ;-) | 17:02 |
| czr | err. why do you even need to collect them :-) | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | Sell them on, make a huge profit. Retire to a desert island and never worry about Maemo again | 17:02 |
| * L0cutus wait for n900 :) | 17:02 | |
| alterego | They'll carry on with this release stuff. Then I'll order one, December 25th some fat guy in a red coat will knock on the door, open up his bag and give me an empty box with a note in it saying "Fooled You! MERRY CHRISTMAS!" | 17:02 |
| czr | just get the OID list and test those | 17:02 |
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| czr | alterego, "And I'm a woman btw!" | 17:03 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:03 |
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| Jaffa | And real :) | 17:04 |
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| alterego | Quim Gill is a women?! | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | Quim Gil is fat? | 17:05 |
| czr | yeah. that's where the Gill Sans font got the name! | 17:05 |
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| czr | (sans = without in latin) | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | heh | 17:05 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:06 |
| shackan | lardman, any luck with pvr.ko ? | 17:06 |
| czr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill_Sans | 17:06 |
| lardman | Latin? French too | 17:06 |
| * czr shrugs | 17:06 | |
| alterego | lardman, you know where French came from don't you ;) | 17:06 |
| lardman | shackan: I've been battling with OE to build an image with GCC 3.4.4, oldish libc and OABI | 17:06 |
| lardman | alterego: yeah, not England, so it must be rubbish? | 17:07 |
| alterego | lardman, couldn't you just use buildroot? | 17:07 |
| lardman | alterego: ;) | 17:07 |
| alterego | lardman, it's not like you need a full system is it? | 17:07 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:07 |
| shackan | lardman: sounds like you're spending a whole weekend getting it work :) | 17:07 |
| lardman | Yes, I want to run the opengl stuff too if possible | 17:07 |
| alterego | buildroot is super easy .. | 17:07 |
| lardman | what's buildroot? | 17:07 |
| _Monkey | buildroot is, like, super easy | 17:07 |
| alterego | lardman, sure you can compile X with buildroot | 17:07 |
| shackan | lardman: have you tried the vincent3d port linked on ITT ? | 17:08 |
| alterego | _Monkey buildroot is a cross-platform rootfs from scratch building tool. | 17:08 |
| _Monkey | ...but buildroot is super easy ..... | 17:08 |
| czr | lardman: do you want to continue? Yes/Yes | 17:08 |
| lardman | shackan: no, I'm not bothered with opengl per se (his port is software only), I want to decipher the comms between the kernel driver and the user-space side code | 17:08 |
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| shackan | I know it's software only | 17:09 |
| alterego | _Monkey your mom is super easy | 17:09 |
| _Monkey | OK, alterego. | 17:09 |
| lardman | I think I should be able to create a Poky image, I met some bugs, they should have been fixed | 17:09 |
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| lardman | shackan: I have spent all this week, every evening (gf not best pleased) trying to debug my OE build though | 17:10 |
| czr | lardman, why would your GeForce mind? | 17:11 |
| alterego | lardman, seriously buildroot can help :) It'll even generate a jffs or squashfs image for you :) | 17:11 |
| shackan | lardman: ouch :) | 17:11 |
| lardman | czr: lol | 17:11 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:11 |
| shackan | lardman: gonna use mmiotrace on the driver once it works ? | 17:11 |
| lardman | alterego: do you have an url, I'll take a look if OE doesn't work (it does the same thing though) | 17:11 |
| alterego | lardman, it's part of the uclibc project. | 17:11 |
| lardman | shackan: to tell the truth I haven't the faintest idea, I learn as I go along | 17:12 |
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| alterego | lardman, http://buildroot.uclibc.org/ | 17:12 |
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| shackan | lardman: I see, you hacked with the DSP too haven't ya? | 17:12 |
| lardman | alterego: ah, I thought it was maemo specific, in that case OE does the same job so I'll stick with what I know (but will take a look at the link, thanks) | 17:12 |
| alterego | Well, if OE is dying on you. buildroot is simple and just works :P | 17:13 |
| lardman | shackan: yeah, DSP hacking is still going on, just got sidetracked with Jazelle & PowerVR | 17:13 |
| shackan | lardman: could it be used (I mean, would it make sense to use it) to accelerate some ogl functions ? | 17:14 |
| lardman | alterego: but does it just work for an old setup (ie old gcc, old libc, old ABI)? - that's the problem with OE, these things are old and therefore have broken | 17:14 |
| shackan | lardman: of course just to learn dsp coding, mostly | 17:14 |
| alterego | It should do you can select the versions of packages to install. | 17:14 |
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| kulve | lardman: what do you need from the oabi rootfs? | 17:14 |
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| lardman | shackan: it's possible, but I think the hardware is pretty good (if it could be made to work). I understand that the link isn't that fast ARM<->DSP, which is why Nokia stopped doing video there | 17:14 |
| lardman | kulve: I'm after an entire rootfs + kernel - I want to run the opengl + powervr mbx stuff and see if it works | 17:16 |
| lardman | shackan: you are doing some DSP stuff too? | 17:16 |
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| kulve | "entire" i.e. X and everything it needs? | 17:16 |
| * lardman is getting behind in the typinhg | 17:16 | |
| shackan | lardman: oh not yet, sounded like a fun thing to do | 17:17 |
| lardman | kulve: perhaps, some of the binaries will just test the hardware, talk to it, but if I can match the X11 version then that would be pretty cool too | 17:17 |
| kulve | what x11 version would you need? | 17:17 |
| shackan | lardman: what kernel version is your blob built for ? | 17:18 |
| lardman | shackan: blob is 2.6.14, but that can be stripped and I've inserted it in the current kernel (though it just sits there and does nothing) | 17:18 |
| lardman | kulve: let me look, hang on | 17:19 |
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| lardman | Well I have libX11.so.6.2.1 | 17:20 |
| lardman | though how one can tell whether it's kdrive, or this or that I don't know | 17:20 |
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| lardman | actually X version doesn't matter, it all comes as binaries as it's been patched | 17:21 |
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| * vegai looks at his empty hands. No 810 | 17:21 | |
| lardman | give away is the fact that usr/bin/Xmbx is called that | 17:21 |
| lardman | vegai: did you screw your eyes up and think very very hard about an N810? | 17:22 |
| * czr makes monkey generate some content for vegai's empty hands | 17:22 | |
| czr | _Monkey, 800 + 10 | 17:22 |
| _Monkey | 810 | 17:22 |
| czr | there | 17:22 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:22 |
| lardman | _Monkey: 200Nm in lb.ft | 17:22 |
| _Monkey | lardman: sorry... | 17:22 |
| lardman | doesn't do torque | 17:22 |
| lardman | nor does google, disappointing | 17:22 |
| alterego | _Monkey 99 EUR in GBP | 17:23 |
| _Monkey | alterego: excuse me? | 17:23 |
| alterego | Meh, | 17:23 |
| alterego | Rubybot used google for that stuff :) | 17:23 |
| lardman | convert ... perhaps | 17:23 |
| Khertan | i ve made an screenlet to monitoring the change on the europe nokia store :) | 17:24 |
| vegai | lardman: there one sacrificed goat I'll never see again :-/ | 17:25 |
| pupnik | nothing happens for me until i get the email from maemo.org anyway | 17:25 |
| pupnik | this waiting stuff is horrible though. i wish i could stop thinking about it | 17:25 |
| lardman | vegai: :) | 17:26 |
| czr | pupnik, learn arm asm meanwhile? | 17:26 |
| * czr is proud of his "NAO OK!" button making it | 17:27 | |
| lardman | czr: only takes a day ;) | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | ARM assembler's lurvely | 17:27 |
| czr | lardman, poop. :-) | 17:27 |
| pupnik | i'm slogging through my dosbox frontend right now | 17:27 |
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| czr | nothing can be learned properly in a day | 17:28 |
| czr | except finding out what kind of people lawyers are really | 17:28 |
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| lardman | czr: true, took a couple of week's worth of evenings I reckon | 17:29 |
| * czr nods | 17:30 | |
| czr | one of the more interesting archs to learn was EPIC | 17:30 |
| czr | it was/is really something. | 17:31 |
| lardman | it's actually hard to find stuff on the internet, ARM is in Intel syntax and everything about inline asm is in AT&T, bloody frustrating! | 17:31 |
| * czr nods | 17:31 | |
| * czr hates the at&t "syntax" | 17:31 | |
| czr | although, the mcs assemblers from intel actually used a very similar syntax as well | 17:31 |
| lardman | same here | 17:31 |
| czr | mcs-51 ones | 17:31 |
| * czr hugs objdump for -m intel | 17:32 | |
| czr | makes the blurb at least semi-readable | 17:32 |
| lardman | I should really buy a book, as I do sometimes need to know things (like the preamble and postamble or whatever they're called) and can't remember where I found it on the net | 17:32 |
| pupnik | i have a snes emu lying around that just needs a high-resolution timer - nice little arm hack project | 17:32 |
| czr | I write notes to myself. normally do a separate 'play' project for each arch and write commented examples there | 17:33 |
| czr | that way I can find the stuff easily afterwards | 17:33 |
| czr | my svn is filled with all kinds of small projects like that | 17:33 |
| lardman | czr: good plan | 17:33 |
| * czr shrugs. works for me at least | 17:33 | |
| czr | like I never quite remember which include files to use with gcc for xmm intrisics | 17:34 |
| czr | or how to do the inline asm version of rdtsc and such | 17:34 |
| lardman | beyond me, I just learned what I needed to to hack Jazelle | 17:34 |
| czr | oh. that's for x86. I don't do arm really. | 17:35 |
| lardman | so coprocessor access, other basic bits and all inline | 17:35 |
| * czr chuckles at one correction on paper | 17:36 | |
| czr | ample should be sample. but it shouldn't really. bleh :-) | 17:36 |
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| Khertan | someone know if there is documentation about using camera on n800 with python ? | 17:43 |
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| czr | food-time(tm) -> | 17:43 |
| lophyte | Khertan, there's a python API called "easy" that makes it simple | 17:44 |
| lophyte | Khertan, easy.garage.maemo.org | 17:44 |
| lophyte | its as simple as easy.click("mysnapshot.jpg") | 17:44 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:49 |
| _Monkey | salut, lopz | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | Hmm Adam Curry seems to have got his N810. http://m-uk.podshow.com/media/21/episodes/88366/dailysourcecode-88366-11-23-2007.mp3 | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | Talks a lot about it about 5 minutes into the podcast.. | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | Had it since Tuesday according to http://www.curry.com/ | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | Yep. | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | And is running Video center.. | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | Which is not available yet.. | 17:51 |
| Okko | what's video center? | 17:52 |
| Jaffa | Video Center is http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:52 |
| Okko | has nokia recruited curry? | 17:53 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: VC not available for OS2008? | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | Okko: No, but he owned a N800 too. Talked a lot about it.. | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Nope. | 17:54 |
| Okko | Jaffa: thanks | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: yet ;) | 17:54 |
| Khertan | lophyte> thanks i ll get a look to this api ... but it s seems not available yet for chinook | 17:54 |
| Khertan | but i could look how they do :) | 17:54 |
| lophyte | Khertan, ah, yeah I don't know about chinook... | 17:54 |
| lophyte | I'm on bora atm | 17:54 |
| Okko | X-Fade: just wondering since he has visited the nokia hq | 17:55 |
| * alterego yawns | 17:55 | |
| X-Fade | Okko: Yeah, podshow is going to sell them too. With discounts.. | 17:55 |
| alterego | I'm gonna watch Razor. | 17:55 |
| * alterego idles | 17:55 | |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: given it's just Python it should work fine on Chinook unless the DBUS calls it uses have changed | 17:55 |
| lophyte | that's true too | 17:56 |
| Khertan | really easy to use :camera.click('filename') | 17:56 |
| Okko | wonder when the nexst model will come out | 17:57 |
| Okko | -s | 17:57 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > as i don't like depending on framework for small program i could look at their source :) | 17:57 |
| Okko | planning to skip N810 in the product line :) | 17:57 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: seems odd to re-invent the wheel, TBH. Happens all too often in software development, it's probably problem #1 in s/w engineering at the moment | 17:58 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > it's true ... but framework are often ... too heavy ... for small things | 18:00 |
| vegai | problem #2 is that the old wheels were round, the new wheels are octahedrons | 18:00 |
| Khertan | jaffa > but as this framework seem's to be really well build ... i could use only the camera module without loading and integrated the other | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: one would hope - otherwise you could raise it as a bug :) | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | In fact, it looks like camera.py only depends on easy_exceptions and the rest is "normal" | 18:02 |
| Khertan | problem #3 : many framework can do many things, use many ressources, need more time to implements instead for using only one function | 18:02 |
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| Jaffa | problem Â#4: even small programs become big programs eventually | 18:03 |
| GNUton | http://www.gnuton.org/blog/2007/11/23/qt4-on-maemo-screenshots/ | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | GNUton: cool | 18:03 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > problem #5 : many people want one program for doing all things where there are already others program for doing all this thing | 18:04 |
| GNUton | Jaffa: :) | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | GNUton: any chance of a Qt theme to better fit the gtk one? Is there a Gtk/Qt bridge you could use to do the menu integration? | 18:04 |
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| Jaffa | Doh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99027#post99027 | 18:05 |
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| Khertan | GNUton> very nice site | 18:05 |
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| Jaffa | Short version: Nokia Europe said "the N810 will not be avaialble for a few weeks (December for sure) in Europe" | 18:06 |
| GNUton | Jaffa: i'll try to write some patch for Qt! | 18:06 |
| GNUton | Khertan: thank you | 18:06 |
| Khertan | great wp theme | 18:06 |
| Khertan | and nice content | 18:07 |
| GNUton | Khertan: :) | 18:07 |
| Khertan | do you have a traduction for this doc ? : http://www.gnuton.org/blog/docs/realizzare-un-repository-debian/ | 18:07 |
| lardman | translation | 18:08 |
| Khertan | translation sorry :) thanks lardman | 18:08 |
| Khertan | speaking in english with keyboard and in french on phone isn't easy :) | 18:09 |
| GNUton | Khertan: no, i'm sorry | 18:09 |
| lardman | Khertan: I can imagine | 18:09 |
| GNUton | i have to go! bye! | 18:10 |
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| lardman | to the pub! | 18:10 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:10 |
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| Khertan | i like the class easy_exception from the framework easy : class EasyError(Exception): pass | 18:13 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:13 |
| Khertan | nice error managment :) | 18:13 |
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| Khertan | bye | 18:24 |
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| Jaffa | Heh, two blog posts pretty much at the same time on the same issue (N810 delays, availability and discount codes) both currently top on pmo | 18:30 |
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| ramo102 | Hi everybody | 18:31 |
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| ramo102 | I tries to run a .wav file with mplayer, but it doesn't work... neither with -ao option... some hints? | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | .wav is a container format; the contents could be unsupported. | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | Need to see command line and full mplayer output | 18:33 |
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| ramo102 | http://pastebin.com/d5a39b94a | 18:50 |
| Jaffa | Not seen that before. Looks like it's a straight forward WAV. Perhaps raise on mplayer.garage.maemo.org ? | 18:52 |
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| lopz | re | 19:02 |
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| pupnik | Scott horton show on now - http://listen64.kaos959.com ;) | 19:07 |
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| lopz | brb | 19:43 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 19:47 |
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| Tieku | hi | 19:48 |
| * Andy80 writing from n770 with os2007 HE :) | 19:48 | |
| Tieku | haha pretty cool | 19:49 |
| Jaffa | lo andy80 | 19:49 |
| Tieku | i jsut bought an n800, so impressed considering getting an n770 :) | 19:50 |
| Andy80 | I know why n810 will arrive later here in europe... | 19:50 |
| Andy80 | Nokia signed an agreement with Santa Klaus and he will bring us our devices :p | 19:52 |
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| Tieku | :) | 19:53 |
| Tieku | its an amazing piece of hardware.... and open source | 19:53 |
| * Tieku in ore | 19:53 | |
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| mgedmin | well, parts of it are open source | 20:02 |
| * mgedmin sighs | 20:02 | |
| pupnik | what are you missing? | 20:03 |
| lophyte | Tieku, why would you want a 770 if you have the n800 o_o | 20:03 |
| Tieku | lophyte: Its cheap to pick up second hand and means i can hack across the two plateforms :) i want to write useful tutorials | 20:04 |
| lophyte | haha | 20:04 |
| lophyte | true enough | 20:04 |
| lophyte | I'm kinda anxious to start developing on it but I'm at a loss for project ideas, lol | 20:05 |
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| Tieku | I just spent a couple of nights managing to access my samba share across the network :D | 20:05 |
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| * Tieku very pleased with his small success | 20:06 | |
| pupnik | lophyte: many things to do. do you know any GTK or SDL? | 20:06 |
| shackan | what a sick way to spend the night | 20:06 |
| lophyte | yeah but I'm a python dev, not C | 20:06 |
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| * lophyte is looking for pygtk projects to work on | 20:10 | |
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| suihkulokki | fuck | 20:31 |
| lardman|away | ? | 20:32 |
| suihkulokki | where is libqdm3 ? | 20:32 |
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| suihkulokki | or whaterver is the lib maemo mapper it2008 wants | 20:32 |
| lardman | no idea, I've not installed it yet | 20:33 |
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| lardman | still no n810 in the uk store :( | 20:34 |
| flatface | I'm having trouble trying to connect to my college's wifi with the n800/os2k8, using WPA/PEAP/MSCHAPv2... It just says "Authentication failed. Try again". Is there any way of viewing a logfile or something? There's nothing of interest in /var/log/. | 20:35 |
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| keesj | flatface: did you try dmesg? | 20:36 |
| kulve | flatface: or install syslog | 20:36 |
| kulve | (it floods alot, so don't keep it on when you don't want it) | 20:36 |
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| flatface | I'll try that, keesj, thanks | 20:37 |
| flatface | kulve: Will do, if I find out how to tether it to my laptop (or copy the deb file over) | 20:38 |
| flatface | Nothing in dmesg | 20:39 |
| kulve | I think the sysklogd depends on klogd. Connect the n800 to your laptop, copy the file to usb mass storage, install the deps | 20:43 |
| flatface | kk. | 20:44 |
| * flatface starts to doze off while waiting for maemo.org to load | 20:49 | |
| lardman | it's all the automatic news announcement checker scripts | 20:49 |
| flatface | Ack. Aren't they using RSS? | 20:50 |
| lardman | I'm only joking, they have other issues for some reason | 20:51 |
| flatface | Ah, heh | 20:51 |
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| flatface | Hm, can't find klogd or syslog at downloads.maemo.org under os2k7. Is it part of the SDK? | 20:52 |
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| flatface | Aha! Got it connected. I had to set it up like explained on some forum thread... I tried connecting, it gave me an error, I reconnected, it gave me a different message, but it works fine now | 21:03 |
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| flatface | Thanks for the suggestions | 21:04 |
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| K`zan | Morning all | 21:18 |
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| flatface | Morning. | 21:27 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 21:27 |
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| niteOwl | Working on debugging dates crash issue - I seem to be a bit rusty on this debugging stuff in particular use of LD_LIBRARY_PATH. So I guess it's time to ask for a little help...I have a debug version of libecal and have tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to it, yet when I run run-standalone.sh gdb ./dates and reproduce the crash it still does not give me the line number of the crash - and various messages mentionin | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | I've heard that you won't get any useful debugging info from armel binaries unless you recompile them without the -fomit-frame-pointer flag | 21:35 |
| niteOwl | The man page on ld is a bit confusing - my memory says that I should use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for link time changes, and LD_RUN_PATH for run-time changes of search path - I have tried both and neither seem to work as I hope them to | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | people usually recommed debugging in a x86 target in scratchbox | 21:35 |
| niteOwl | mgedmin: thanks - interesting. So far I'm using SDK_X86 for my target though | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | ah, okay | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | hm, LD_LIBRARY_PATH ... no idea | 21:37 |
| niteOwl | yes, I thought LD_LIBRARY_PATH would work too. That is what you are saying? right? | 21:38 |
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| Andy80 | is maemo.org down at the moment? | 22:01 |
| kulve | seems to be | 22:06 |
| kulve | (again) | 22:06 |
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| kulve | and it's friday. Maybe it's back up on monday.. | 22:06 |
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| X-Fade | It works for me at the moment? | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | ditto | 22:18 |
| rubiks | wow n810 pushed back | 22:24 |
| X-Fade | rubiks: It isn't pushed back. They sell loads of them. | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | On the other side of the pond ;) | 22:25 |
| rubiks | o ok | 22:25 |
| rubiks | i c now | 22:25 |
| rubiks | so os2008 still for dec? | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | I guess they wanted to have enough there for Thanksgiving orso :D | 22:25 |
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| X-Fade | It is anyones guess when OS2008 will be out for N800. On a friday most likely. But which one... | 22:27 |
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| niteOwl | any maemo hackers here? | 22:39 |
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| niteOwl | I'm trying to decipher the maemo wiki page on debugging setup | 22:39 |
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| Andy80 | hey people! | 22:40 |
| niteOwl | something about native gdb versus maemo gdb (why is there even a difference?) under scratchboc | 22:40 |
| Andy80 | a new Os2008 release for N810 is out! | 22:40 |
| Andy80 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:40 |
| Andy80 | really don't know what it fixes, but it's out | 22:41 |
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| p| | yes, we have see :) | 22:41 |
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| Andy80 | ah ok ;) | 22:42 |
| Andy80 | ok, see ya later :) | 22:42 |
| niteOwl | In addition the page describes the native gdb as being located at /usr/bin/gdb and the one which should be used for debugging particularly if one cares about threads - yet goes on to describe setting up an alias which seems to set the sb scratchbox ignore redirect environ var - which, as I understand it from earlier on the page - is how you get to the NON-NATIVE or maemo version of gdb... | 22:42 |
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| niteOwl | great - conflicting info it seems to me - at the least confusing | 22:42 |
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| niteOwl | This make sense to anyone else? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html Am I wrong in my understanding - perhaps I have it backwards and one must use that variable to get the native gdb | 22:43 |
| niteOwl | ..confused | 22:43 |
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| niteOwl | The doc remains confusing - due in part to introducing more terminology. First they describe "scratchbox supplied gdb" , then the other variety which is "maemo gdb" Then proceed to say always to use something called "native gdb" - Apparently this means the one installed by apt-get install gdb otherwise known as "maemo gdb". I will try this...and see if it works | 22:49 |
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| K`zan | niteOwl: Yes, it is. Started installing 2008 dev in a vmware vm last night after the stuff fest (Thanksgiving) and I think I screwed it up being in a too much food induced coma at the time :-). Going to see if I can recover today :-). | 22:51 |
| K`zan | Wish there was a vmware appliance for 2008, but all there is, is for 2006 and 2007... | 22:52 |
| K`zan | I knew I should have snapshotted that before I started after dinner :). | 22:53 |
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| lophyte | I accidentally uninstalled osso-browser.. is there a way to restore it? | 22:55 |
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| kulve | lophyte: apt-get install osso-browser? | 23:05 |
| lophyte | doesn't exist | 23:05 |
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| kulve | hmm.. so it seems.. | 23:06 |
| lophyte | yeah | 23:09 |
| lophyte | hence why I asked | 23:09 |
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| K`zan | Any dev's around that might be able to tell me if, presuming I screwed up the dev stuff install, if I can just start over or do I need to re-install deb again before I do? | 23:14 |
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| niteOwl | scratchbox borken: :-( maemo-af-desktop did not exit properly on the previous session. All home plugins will be disabled. | 23:19 |
| niteOwl | any ideas? | 23:19 |
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| niteOwl | ok broken sb fixed - just needed to run af-sb-init.sh stop | 23:40 |
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| niteOwl | still need to figure out why LD_LRARY_PATH is not helping me easily switch to using a debug version of the library where a problem is occuring... | 23:41 |
| niteOwl | LD_LIBRARY_PATH (of course) | 23:41 |
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| czr | niteOwl, there was another envvar that you had to set, in sbox LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not the right one | 23:47 |
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