IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-11-21

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czr	elb, did you ever find out the fix for the dbus_bus_get core-problem?	00:04
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elb	czr: no, let me try some more directed inquiries	00:05
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czr	elb, no prob :-)	00:05
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elb	czr: does g_return_if_fail(0) cause your application to exit?	00:09
czr	elb, the application will abort internally _in_ dbus_bus_get	00:09
czr	without the functione ever returning to the app	00:09
elb	right, I understand that	00:09
elb	I'm asking a different question	00:09
czr	indeed :-). hmm	00:09
czr	let's see	00:09
czr	ah. let's not see. I'm not using GLib.	00:10
elb	at all?	00:10
elb	so, no Gtk+?	00:10
czr	no GTK+	00:10
elb	hmm	00:10
czr	no GLib	00:10
czr	just libdbus	00:10
czr	(and it's just an example program)	00:10
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maddler	evening all!	00:11
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p\|	wtf....	00:12
edt	is there any place to download a mediacenter deb for bora? Mine seems to be corrupt and I really do not want to reinstall so close to chinook...	00:13
elb	czr: dbu_connection_set_exit_on_disconnect(dbus_connection, FALSE)	00:14
elb	s/dbu_/dbus/	00:14
infobot	elb meant: czr: dbusconnection_set_exit_on_disconnect(dbus_connection, FALSE)	00:14
elb	daggone it	00:14
* alterego wonders why hildon/fm are different modules.		00:14
elb	infobot shows my mistake	00:14
elb	s/dbu_/dbus_/	00:14
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czr	elb, how can I set it if I don't even get a connection to begin with?	00:17
czr	the application aborts on the function which is supposed to get me a dbus connection :-)	00:18
czr	in the function even :-)	00:18
czr	anyhow, I'll rewrite the text around it until I'll find an answer to that. thanks for trying :-)	00:18
elb	when you call dbus_bus_get, what are you passing it?	00:18
TimRiker	has bluetooth PAN support been integrated with any of the OS releases?	00:18
elb	that function is what fixed it for us	00:19
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czr	elb, bus = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SESSION, &error);	00:19
elb	we use DBUS_BUS_STARTER	00:19
elb	if that is relevant	00:19
czr	ah yes, but that's different.	00:19
trunneml_	Hi	00:19
elb	that might be to be a service	00:20
czr	that means that "connect to whichever bus activated this process"	00:20
* TimRiker notes the topic... irc logs are also at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/		00:20
czr	in my case it's always the session bus	00:20
elb	yeah	00:20
elb	I don't know	00:20
czr	elb, but I don't think it's really revelent. the problem is that the application will abort when the dbus envvars are not set.	00:20
trunneml_	Anyone has expierens with chinook armel scratchbox?	00:20
czr	setting the envvars will fix the problem obviously, but the function shouldn't really abort internally in any case.	00:20
elb	right	00:21
elb	I agree	00:21
elb	we thought itw as dumb that we had to turn off exiting on error	00:21
czr	heh. that might be a separate issue alltogether	00:21
czr	and probably is :-)	00:21
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trunneml_	My Scratchbox Chinook ARMEL Target has an empty /usr/share/pkgconfig folder	00:23
trunneml_	is that normal	00:23
mariorz_	any linkage for coding the home desktop applets in python?	00:24
doc\|work	http://fukung.net/images/1673/creationism.jpg	00:25
doc\|work	whoops, wrong channel	00:25
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czr	trunneml_, have you installed the SDK yet?	00:26
elb	czr: I'm looking at the dbus sources here, and it's no surprise it crashes	00:26
trunneml_	yes	00:26
czr	trunneml_, then it shouldn't be empty	00:26
czr	trunneml_, ah sorry. it is :-)	00:27
czr	trunneml_, /usr/lib/pkgconfig/	00:27
trunneml_	hmm	00:27
trunneml_	yes	00:27
trunneml_	super	00:27
trunneml_	thanks alot	00:27
trunneml_	a new question what was the enviroment variable for pkg?	00:28
trunneml_	PKG_PATH?	00:28
elb	czr: looks like compiling dbus with DBUS_DISABLE_ASSERT will "fix" that	00:28
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elb	hmmm, but it still shouldn't be aborting due to that	00:29
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czr	elb, http://pastebin.com/m1b957fba	00:29
czr	elb, that's what output when dbus_bus_get() is invoked.	00:29
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elb	czr: even that should not abort	00:30
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trunneml_	Because all are talking about dbus, I have an application that is calling an dbus service. That is starting when it was running at calling time. Is there a posibillity that it would not start.	00:31
czr	hmm.	00:31
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elb	czr: is there a useful backtrace in the core?	00:31
czr	elb, I haven't looked at the core, let me see	00:31
czr	there is. wasn't expecting one :-)	00:32
czr	http://pastebin.com/m33c3a562	00:32
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czr	hah. that doesn't look very promising :-)	00:32
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czr	line 100 is the bus = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SESSION, &error); one	00:33
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czr	trunneml_n810_, don't do that	00:34
trunneml_n810_	why?	00:35
czr	because it's evil and unnecessary :-)	00:35
czr	and those two things combined are not nice :-)	00:35
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trunneml_	okay sad	00:35
trunneml_	:)	00:35
czr	heh. I'm ok with the nick. just you changing it for no reason 100 times :-)	00:35
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trunneml_	sorry it was to long on the first and second and ... try	00:37
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alterego	That could possibly be more annoying :)	00:39
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trunneml_	I'm searching the lib that includes hildon-widgets in chinook	00:41
trunneml_	any ideas?	00:41
alterego	trunneml_, it's renamed to hildon-1	00:42
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trunneml_	strange I added it but I can't compile	00:42
trunneml_	strange	00:42
czr	_Monkey, mxr?	00:43
_Monkey	i guess mxr is mozilla cross reference, maintained by timeless, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test has a number of references including garage, sardine, and chinook	00:43
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trunneml_	hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h is missing	00:43
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trunneml_	that should be hildon-1 or not?	00:44
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czr	hildon-1	00:44
alterego	It should be hildon	00:44
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czr	ah. for pkg-config hildon-1	00:44
czr	for includes, hildon	00:44
alterego	Yes	00:44
trunneml_	hildon/hildon-program.h	00:44
trunneml_	?	00:44
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alterego	Yes	00:44
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alterego	Well .. That's enough coding for one day me thinks.	00:48
Tieku	on an n800 how do i find out my ip address?	00:48
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alterego	Tieku, Connection Manager -> (MENU) Internet connection -> IP address	00:49
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Tieku	alterego: cheers :)	00:49
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Tieku	is anyone using an n800 to access a samba share?	00:49
alterego	No,	00:50
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alterego	Okay .. Maybe _someone_ is ..	00:50
Tieku	:)	00:50
Tieku	no halm	00:50
trunneml_	whats the root password of the n810?	00:50
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alterego	rootme ?	00:51
_Monkey	rootme is, like, the default pw	00:51
* alterego is jealous .. He wonders if he'll ever get an N810		00:51
trunneml_	no	00:52
trunneml_	rootme doesn't work	00:52
alterego	Meh, just enable r&d mode and use sudo gainroot.	00:52
Tb0n3	you can't just sudo	00:52
Tb0n3	what alterego said	00:52
trunneml_	what?	00:53
Tieku	im trying to log into my n800 via secure shell.does anyone know what username and password to use?	00:54
\|R	root/rootme	00:54
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czr	elb, I think I found the issue: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/dbus-1.0.2/dbus-1.0.2/dbus/dbus-bus.c#442	00:58
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czr	elb, that's called directly from dbus_bus_get.	00:58
czr	it will internally set the exit on disconnect, and then abort after dbus_bus_register fails in the DBUS_ASSERT_ERROR_IS_SET	00:58
czr	so there's nothing that can be done really, without rebuilding the library	00:58
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alterego	Nice,	01:08
* alterego has added gtkmozembed support to ruby-maemo :)		01:08
czr	alterego, does it work? :-)	01:09
alterego	I've also fixed a few bugs. Updated the documentation and sanitized about 25% of the source code :)	01:09
alterego	Yup, it works.	01:09
czr	ah, the old "out-of-the-window"-trick ;-)	01:09
alterego	I added VTE support too.	01:09
alterego	Which is quite neat. Thinking of writing "RTerm" :)	01:09
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czr	just call it rurm	01:10
alterego	:P	01:10
czr	maybe I'll match it later with Pyrm	01:10
czr	and then we can have a death-match!	01:10
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pumpkin-	allo	01:11
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pumpkin-	does anyone know what's providing entropy for /dev/random on the N800 and similar?	01:12
alterego	The only reason I want to write a terminal app is because the current osso-xterm isn't customizable enough.	01:12
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alterego	I need to change the colour palette	01:12
trunneml_	gdbm any Idea where to find it in chinook	01:12
czr	pumpkin-, internal HW RNG	01:12
czr	pumpkin-, at least it should add to the entropy. but you can add into it yourself too, if you wish	01:13
pumpkin-	czr: but if I cat /dev/random it stops after a while	01:13
czr	pumpkin-, of course.	01:13
pumpkin-	and I can definitely see stuff coming in if I tap on teh screen	01:13
pumpkin-	and stuff like that	01:13
czr	pumpkin-, why are you catting /dev/random?	01:13
pumpkin-	I was wondering what other kinds of events went into it	01:13
alterego	cat /dev/czr/brain > /dev/urandom	01:13
czr	alterego, writing to urandom doesn't work :-)	01:13
alterego	Damnit ..	01:13
czr	and reading from czr/brain doesn't work either	01:14
czr	you'll get ENODEV	01:14
alterego	Hah	01:14
pumpkin-	what's czr/brain	01:14
pumpkin-	and can I write to /dev/random?	01:14
czr	pumpkin-, you can. as root.	01:14
pumpkin-	okay	01:14
czr	writing can also be disabled via ioctl, but I doubt it has in the tablets	01:14
elb	/dev/random will start spitting data again once it has collected more entropy	01:14
pumpkin-	yeah, I know	01:14
pumpkin-	I just wanted an idea of how much entropy I was getting	01:15
elb	you don't want to use it for anything for which you need large amounts of random data	01:15
pumpkin-	whether it was only based on "mouse" events	01:15
pumpkin-	or whether it used other sources too	01:15
elb	(if you truly need large amounts of random, and not perturbed pseudorandom, data, you probably need a hardware RNG)	01:15
pumpkin-	nah, I don't need large amounts of it, but I want to make sure there's always a fair amount, even with extremely low hardware interaction with the device by the user	01:16
mariorz	where are the images, videos, docuemtns folders located on the file system?	01:16
elb	the standard Linux entropy pool uses interface devices, network activity, and "random" latencies in various devices	01:16
elb	(e.g. disk seeks)	01:16
alterego	mariorz, /home/user/MyDocs/.*	01:16
pumpkin-	mmkay, and that still works with a flash disk?	01:16
alterego	For some reason they're hidden.	01:16
elb	no, the disk method won't work with flash disks	01:16
pumpkin-	yeah, I had the feeling I'd have less entropy available on an n800	01:17
mariorz	thanks	01:17
elb	system entropy is relatively easy to exhaust, it is not reasonable to assume there's "always a fair amount"	01:17
elb	even on a standard desktop	01:17
pumpkin-	but if I can write stuff into it, I guess I can throw random mic noise into it or something	01:17
pumpkin-	yeah, I know	01:17
pumpkin-	ah well, not a huge deal	01:17
elb	is there a reason that /dev/urandom is not appropriate?	01:17
pumpkin-	not particularly :)	01:18
elb	for virtually any purpose, it is Random Enough	01:18
pumpkin-	I'm just doing some fairly critical crypto	01:18
elb	it is a pseudorandom number stream, but it is perturbed by actual entropy from the system RNG with some frequency	01:18
czr	elb, actually it might, depending on the flash :-)	01:18
czr	elb, it works on non-mmd flash	01:18
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czr	usb flash has non-uniform access times	01:19
elb	non-uniform, but not unpredictable	01:19
elb	disk seeks are effectively impossible to predict past a certain precision, because of mechanical interference	01:20
czr	although using that for entropy is not all that good anyway	01:22
czr	which is what exactly?	01:22
czr	given enough data, the disk seeks are predictable as well	01:22
czr	at least at the resolution of kernel timing sources	01:22
elb	the kernel has excellent timing sources on modern hardware	01:23
elb	and it only uses the lowest-order bits	01:23
elb	the point of the system entropy collection is that any one source is such a small percentage of the overall entropy, that minor patterns disappear	01:23
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elb	virtually none of hte entropy sources are truly unpredictable at a deep enough level	01:24
elb	computers are, by their very nature, predictable	01:24
elb	even the user at the keyboard & mouse becomes predictable when you consider that the sampling rate is not particularly fast to begin with	01:25
doc\|work	what about those crypto boards?	01:25
elb	there are various hardware RNGs which use things like atomic decay or thermal instabilities to create a RNG stream which is truly (at some level) random	01:25
czr	elb, I don't think I disagree with anything you say. just saying that the difference in the entropy you might get from usb flash versus a rotating disk when measuring access times is not that great	01:26
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czr	also, I'm not all that sure that linux uses access times anymore	01:26
czr	a lot of the entropy sources were disabled some months ago	01:27
czr	since they were low-quality	01:27
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pupnik_	oh, and i need an assembly routine to grab OMAP's clock ticks	01:29
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killfill	hi	01:50
killfill	im trying to play some .ogg's with n800 ukmp, and it quits.	01:50
killfill	have gstreamer0.10-plugins-ivorbis installed.	01:50
killfill	is there any way to make this play ogg's?	01:50
pupnik	sure the oggs are there? filesystem not full?	01:53
pupnik	if so, try with different oggs first	01:53
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killfill	can play them with mplayer.. :P	01:53
killfill	hm.. letme start the thing from a terminal	01:54
lardman\|tv	read my mind	01:54
lardman\|tv	:)	01:54
pupnik	you can also test the gstreamer plugin with gst-tools	01:54
killfill	gobject.GError: no element "oggdemux"	01:54
pupnik	hi lardman\|tv did you make that gstreamer ivorbis plugin?	01:54
killfill	acuallt the directory has utf8 chats in it.. but look like there is no ogg codec.. :P	01:55
lardman\|tv	I've made one, but it segfaults the dsp kernel, need to debug it but had flu/cold so not been to bothered to program	01:55
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killfill	http://pastebin.ca/791612 thats the whole thing	01:56
killfill	how do i install "oggdemux"?.. i never really understood how gst works.. :)	01:56
pupnik	i never had a gst vorbis plugin installed - maybe post your issue to the ukmp feedback page on garage	01:58
killfill	annot use kagu either.. seems to be something about gsrteamer	01:59
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killfill	(ah.. damn keyboard)	01:59
lardman\|tv	http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/ukmp-16-is-out.html	01:59
lardman\|tv	same error	01:59
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lardman\|tv	See if it's in his bugtracker	02:00
lardman\|tv	tremor dosn't use a demuxer does it?	02:00
lardman\|tv	has its own build in	02:00
killfill	tremor?	02:00
lardman\|tv	perhaps I'm remembering something else	02:00
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lardman\|tv	_Monkey: tremor is an integer only ogg vorbis decoder	02:01
_Monkey	OK, lardman\|tv.	02:01
lardman\|tv	tremor?	02:01
_Monkey	i heard tremor was an integer only ogg vorbis decoder	02:01
lardman\|tv	killfill: that :)	02:01
killfill	ah.. :)	02:02
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*** timelyx changes topic to "maemo - development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ \| http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/"		02:04
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timelyx	people should use the chinook xref more often...	02:05
timelyx	trunneml_'s question is trivially answered by http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=gdbm	02:05
killfill	hm.. http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/	02:05
killfill	os2007 is bora, right?	02:06
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YHYHIAMHERE	YES FINALLY got my nokia working prop	02:06
YHYHIAMHERE	i need a firware update on the router what a donut should of tried that a while back	02:07
timelyx	killfill: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ has the answer for "bora"	02:07
killfill	ah	02:08
killfill	all righty!	02:10
* killfill listening to Zoe... :)		02:10
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killfill	first time can make ukmp works	02:11
killfill	looks more "usable" than kagu and canola.. (today)	02:15
pupnik	it's nice to see three players with strong development	02:16
l7	YHYHIAMHERE: what kind of router problem did you have?	02:17
l7	i was reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800#Problems	02:17
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l7	"According to Nokia customer support the N800 does not support 802.1X authentication with EAP-TTLS and PAP. [citation needed]"	02:17
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l7	i wonder if this is still accurate	02:18
timelyx	afaik it is	02:18
timelyx	why wouldn't it be?	02:18
timelyx	l7: the other one is bogus	02:18
timelyx	what portion of linux based devices support ogg out of the box?	02:18
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lardman\|tv	night	02:19
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czr	night lardman\|gone	02:20
czr	-> gone as well	02:20
timelyx	l7: anyway, there's talk for "problems section?"	02:20
timelyx	i'd vote for deleting the section	02:20
killfill	yup..	02:21
pupnik	i vote for a massive maemo users money drive for lardman :P	02:25
pupnik	300-500 users at 5-10 dollars a pop!	02:26
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oob	hello	02:29
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Tieku	having trouble locating insmod on the n800	02:33
Tieku	has anyone ever used insmod on the n800?	02:33
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killfill	ooh cool.. ukmp has a kinetic thingy too!	02:39
fysa	does it include mplayer?	02:39
fysa	or do we have working mplayer yet?	02:39
fysa	(08)	02:40
killfill	mplayer works fine here..	02:40
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killfill	err.. where is my volume.. :P	02:41
fysa	my mplayer's default volume was really low for some reason :P	02:42
killfill	oh.. its on the buttons..	02:42
Tieku	im inside x terminal how do i change to root?	02:43
Tieku	su: applet reuirs root privilages	02:43
Tieku	requires*	02:43
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killfill	"part mode active"?.. whats this..	02:44
killfill	party	02:44
killfill	ah its like a playlist	02:45
killfill	cool.	02:45
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killfill	hm...	02:53
killfill	on playlist, cannot forward/rewing to the next/prv song.	02:54
killfill	where should i bug report this?.. :P	02:54
pupnik	Tieku: sudo gainroot	02:55
Tieku	pupnik: cheers. appeared to be acting funny. i've ended up logging in through a shell with rootme	02:55
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killfill	svn: Can't convert string from 'UTF-8' to native encoding:	03:01
killfill	:(	03:01
pupnik	it's interesting to see how my web traffic closely tracks how much work i put into new releases	03:01
pupnik	killfill: i really hate those issues - maybe you can putz with your locale settings	03:02
killfill	hm..	03:03
killfill	"set your locale to something which can represent the incoming UTF-8 data"	03:03
killfill	i have to now wich language talks the developer(s)?...	03:04
killfill	(never mind)	03:05
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pupnik	killfill: did you fix?	03:09
pupnik	how?	03:10
killfill	export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8	03:12
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killfill	i actually use LANG=es_ES... just blank LANG, and set that other var.	03:13
killfill	hm.. the playlist thing doesnt really convince me..	03:13
killfill	or its not intuitive.. or it doesnt work as it should (here)... or of course i could be too fool to understand it.. :P	03:13
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killfill	oh...	03:16
killfill	elif CLICKMODE==CLICK_QUEUE:	03:16
killfill	self.playQueue(0,0)	03:16
killfill	aha.. it pops the song when playing it....	03:17
pupnik	if you think UI is unintuitive give suggesstion to konttori	03:18
killfill	(does doesnt really here..)	03:18
* Tieku managed to access a samba share! :D		03:19
killfill	pupnik: actually.. i think the idea is greate.. it like for "dj-ing" on a party.. you just go a pair of song ahead.. not for a full playlist.. :P	03:20
pupnik	oh a dj-ing app would be huge	03:21
killfill	just doesnt really delete the song from the queue after playing...	03:21
pupnik	omgomgomg	03:21
pupnik	use bluetooth headphones to select and monitor next song - headpone jack plugs into sound system	03:22
pupnik	so you can pick out and cue-up next song	03:22
pupnik	beat-matching, then do your crossfade	03:22
pupnik	omg :)	03:22
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killfill	ooh that would be a killer	03:22
killfill	:)	03:22
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pupnik	ok this ... must... be made	03:23
pupnik	killfill: can you hack ukmp to add it?	03:23
pupnik	i think ukmp has the rtsp support	03:23
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oob	digital beatmixing is heresy	03:23
killfill	heh..	03:24
killfill	pupnik: well at least i could try.. :P	03:24
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* killfill trying to motivates to make some time to finnaly do something usefull with his n800.. :P		03:24
killfill	how does people write python proggies?.. directly on the n800?	03:24
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pupnik	the only python program i hacked on - i did it through ssh right on the 770	03:25
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killfill	err..	03:37
killfill	ok sudently i have 135 proceses of ukmp...	03:38
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killfill	oh.. the thing actually runs on a PC..:)	03:55
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* doc\|home just got his n800 :)		04:14
rghosh	from which store?	04:15
doc\|home	ncix.com pricematched against directcanada.com	04:15
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K`zan	Gizmo installs on 2007 and fbreader seems to be working right now...	04:21
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rghosh	i'd like to see an n800 video wall	04:21
rghosh	pointless but fun	04:22
K`zan	LOL, that IS the point, if someone will send me 500 of them, I'll give it a go :-).	04:22
rghosh	heh, indeed. or failing that do it at as a collaborative effort at a conference or whatever	04:23
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K`zan	Would be interesting, but taking it out of the case is a little scary at this point considering I have had it less than a week :).	04:24
doc\|home	well shit, a linux wireless setup that "just works" (tm). Never thought I'd see the day :)	04:27
K`zan	Amazing, isn't it :-).	04:27
K`zan	I felt the same way about the sound stuff at one point...	04:27
doc\|home	hehe	04:28
doc\|home	me too, then they created alsa :o	04:28
doc\|home	hmmm, sooner they get os2008 the better, rendering's not the fastest on scrolling	04:29
K`zan	Still have problems, but basic sound works. WOuld like my USB headset to be a bit easier to get going and the BT headset, but I'm happy it works as well as it does :-).	04:30
pupnik	doc\|home: give the touchscreen a good workout in the first few days - test with sketching apps	04:31
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doc\|home	why's that? bad history?	04:32
pupnik	i couldn't say how many have had problems percentage-wise. but a handful of people have at least.	04:32
doc\|home	I'm liking touch scrolling on the page, much better performance than using the scroll bar	04:32
pupnik	yeah that's really convenient	04:32
* doc\|home ponders heading down to local cafe to show up all those powerbook/macbook pro people ;)		04:33
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* doc\|home "has the intertubes on teeny shiny much cheaper package"		04:33
K`zan	Having an easily portable wifi now, I notice there seem to be a lot of open WAPs named "linksys"...	04:34
doc\|home	K`zan: hehe, yeah, here too	04:34
K`zan	Amount of wifi nodes is rather amazing, just don't know what they story really is on using open WAPs... After they arrested that kid for using the libraries after hours, I'm a bit leery...	04:35
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doc\|home	they have to prove it was you	04:36
K`zan	Gizmo / SIP is really neat on the n800, just talked with a friend I have know for 10 years or so down in .au for about a half hour :-). Quality was great...	04:36
doc\|home	ekiga working?	04:37
K`zan	True, probably as easy as finding out who has the WAPs to ask permission from :).	04:37
doc\|home	hehehe, exactly	04:37
K`zan	Something about easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission...	04:37
doc\|home	does gizmo support pure sip with non-gizmo accounts?	04:37
K`zan	Haven't tried that - I set it up a SIP contact somehow in 2008 and it didn't do squat.	04:37
K`zan	I don't think the leaked 2008 works perfectly on the n800 at this point, sure doesn't on mine.	04:38
doc\|home	I'm removing skype and rhapsody. I'll never use them	04:38
K`zan	Number of small problems. Nothingreally major.	04:38
doc\|home	er, if I can	04:39
K`zan	Good luck, I couldn't delete apps out of the panel under 2008. All I could do is delete folders and moving an app took MANY attempts if it worked at all.	04:39
doc\|home	no updates available, that's somewhat surprising	04:39
doc\|home	seems you're right, lame	04:39
K`zan	Well, 2008 hasn't been released yet, so things like that are not real surprising.	04:39
K`zan	I heard that the n810 is an n800 with a keyboard and GPS, but I don't know for sure.	04:40
doc\|home	oh, wait, yeah, I'm on 2007	04:40
doc\|home	sounds like it, nicer hardware too. more compact	04:40
doc\|home	but the n800 is an even better package than I was expecting	04:40
K`zan	I went back to 2007 last night and a number of things seem to work OK in 2007 that didn't in 2008.	04:41
K`zan	I got a rather abysmal camera in the n800, I'd personally rather be able to choose my GPS and keyboard...	04:41
doc\|home	heh, yeah	04:41
K`zan	I got a good GPS :), just not BT :-(.	04:41
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K`zan	Trying to find that "camera" app....	04:47
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doc\|home	where do you get your lock code?	04:49
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K`zan	Default IIRC is 12345, can change it someplace in control panel.	04:50
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K`zan	Found it...	04:51
doc\|home	sweet, thanks, that did it	04:51
doc\|home	where is it?	04:51
rghosh	anyone know how to differentiate between os2007 and os2008 reliably in python runtime?	04:53
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rghosh	we're afraid platform.uname() may be too specific	04:54
rghosh	we used this up to now to distinguish desktop and tablet at runtime	04:54
K`zan	How does one remove apps from the menu / panel in 2007?!?	04:54
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doc\|home	K`zan: I just created a new folder called unused and dragged them into new folder	04:55
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pupnik	n800 gives you more storage than n810. So it's really the better deal right now.	05:01
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doc\|home	grrrr, mail client is annoying me	05:20
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doc\|home	has maemo.org been really slow the last few days?	05:33
pupnik	yes	05:35
pupnik	new version of claws mail out doc\|home	05:35
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doc\|home	installing it now :)	05:36
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niteOwl	anyone here do and dev/hacking on the pimlico apps?	05:48
niteOwl	err s/and/any/	05:48
mariorz	is there a way to remove the contacts icon from the menu?	05:49
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pupnik	hi niteOwl not me but that's definitly important stufff	06:03
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pupnik	badger badger mushhrrooommmmm http://pupnik.de/pupnik_woods_mushroom.jpg	06:09
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niteOwl	pupnik: I'm poking around it a bit, trying to get my feet under me - first step building dates.	06:11
niteOwl	pupnik: nice looking mushroom	06:12
pupnik	:)	06:12
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doc\|mobile	where do i get libsdl-ttf and libreadline?	06:30
pupnik	repositories?	06:32
_Monkey	repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php	06:32
pupnik	search gronmayer, then add the repository to your application manager	06:32
pupnik	or add the line manually to /etc/apt/sources.list	06:32
pupnik	(the debian way)	06:32
doc\|mobile	thanks	06:37
doc\|mobile	x-chat on n800 ftw :)	06:38
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ToddBrandt	Does anybody in here know what the hildon development channel is?	06:38
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pupnik	ToddBrandt: this is the only maemo/hildon channel I know	06:44
ToddBrandt	k	06:44
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pupnik	Re: N810 first impressions: "I took it for a drive on the bike. Wow. What a difference from the 800. No issues seeing the screen at all. "	06:53
niteOwl	pimlico dates - built :-), dbus started, but it complains that it is unable to determine the address of the message bus. dbus-monitor shows sure enough it is using a null destination - ideas on this are welcome...meanwhile I will keep at it.	06:54
doc\|mobile	pupnik: 'the police however were much less impressed'	06:57
K`zan	doc\|home: Found the answer - you have to delete them from the application manager.	07:03
doc\|home	hmmm, ok, thanks	07:04
K`zan	Tapped on the greyed out delete button out of frustration and it told me that :-).	07:04
doc\|home	K`zan: gotten sip working at all? I can't see ekiga	07:04
K`zan	doc\|home: I'm using gismo, that worked perfectly for the one call I made :-).	07:05
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K`zan	gizmo	07:05
doc\|home	hmmm, I can't find a repo for that	07:05
K`zan	http://gizmoproject.com/	07:06
K`zan	Pick install and scroll down for n800 / n810 / n770 versions.	07:07
K`zan	http://gizmoproject.com/download.php	07:08
K`zan	:-)	07:08
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doc\|mobile	sweet, thanks	07:10
K`zan	Glad to help, enjoy!	07:11
doc\|mobile	you have to register with them, even if you use 3rd party sip servers	07:12
doc\|mobile	:/	07:12
K`zan	Dunno, not an issue here :).	07:13
pupnik_	http://youtube.com/watch?v=dywlV40L3rA scrolling and resizing widgets looks dog-slow on this. Not that this is really important, but it doesn't give viewers the idea that the device has good performance. Suggest Nokia invest some programmer-hours into this, and OpenGL based window system.	07:15
pupnik_	i need to find a sip gateway provider for cheap/free	07:15
K`zan	Does such a thing exist?	07:15
doc\|mobile	pupnik_, ekiga.org	07:15
K`zan	Cheap, well, free, dunno...	07:16
K`zan	checking.	07:16
doc\|mobile	free :)	07:16
pupnik_	i think i need to contact my isp/telco about this and threaten a s...	07:16
pupnik_	dialing to landlines free?	07:16
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K`zan	Gotta subscribe there too...	07:17
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doc\|mobile	pupnik_, ah... you didn't day that	07:17
doc\|mobile	*say	07:17
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pupnik_	there was a service that did 1-minute free calls. I'd like to uh... make a lot of calls to Iowa ;)	07:18
doc\|mobile	hah	07:19
pupnik_	ty for the link tho	07:19
doc\|mobile	np	07:19
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doc\|home	found one, rtcomm	07:40
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doc\|home	integrates with os2007, not sure how stable it is though	07:40
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pupnik_	i haven't tried this stuff yet	07:45
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L0cutus	[06:40] <doc\|home> integrates with os2007, not sure how stable it is though	08:01
L0cutus	it's ok for me	08:02
L0cutus	the real problem is the lack of support to bluetooth headset	08:02
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javamaniac	someone has installed os2008 in a n800?	08:04
javamaniac	it enters in a reboot loop, and i'm no sure what i must do	08:05
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oil_	hi, do you know what is the root password for openssh on n810?	08:09
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doc\|home	oil_: rootme?	08:11
_Monkey	rootme is the default pw?	08:11
oil_	rootme nor maemo works	08:11
oil_	also username: maemo, passowrd: maemo does not work	08:12
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doc\|home	how log does it take the n800 to charge?	08:22
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sxpert	doc\|home, 4 to 5 hours or so	08:25
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doc\|home	sxpert: thanks	08:27
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pupnik_	5 days, i think	08:31
K`zan	LOL	08:31
K`zan	My cell phone crank emergency charger will charge the n800 :).	08:32
K`zan	That could be a LONG job :-).	08:32
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doc\|home	heh	08:37
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pupnik_	i'm lookin at portable solar charger, hopefully i'll have my bike fixed up and n810 for a road trip to strasbourg on the tea party day, dec 16 - weather accomodating	08:40
pupnik_	brand new n810 + bike + icy roads -- uhh nope.	08:41
K`zan	Wise :-)!	08:41
K`zan	Discretion is the better part of not having to replace everything :).	08:42
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pupnik_	is the N810 d-pad 8-way?	08:45
K`zan	I think I need a game to test that premise on :-).	08:48
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corevette	does the latest canola still support the 770?	08:51
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lopz	bye	09:03
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K`zan	Night all (here :-).	09:10
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sven-tek	Good morning	10:02
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pupnik_	hallihallo	10:04
sven-tek	iam right about to downgrade my n800 from os2008 to os2007	10:04
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pupnik_	think i'm gonna use the 770 for os2006 and os2007 testing and 810 for os2008	10:05
mariorz	does sshfs need like a sshfs server?	10:05
pupnik_	sshfs?	10:05
_Monkey	sshfs is, like, enough for mgedmin_'s needs	10:06
pupnik_	darn, if anyone finds a wiki or something to teach monkey pls do	10:06
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mariorz	or is that done trough ssh? i.e. if i install ssh on my mac should i be able to connect to the device	10:06
mariorz	with openssh on it	10:06
mariorz	or am i missing s sshfs server?	10:06
mariorz	install sshfs* on my mac	10:07
mariorz	i see afuseport thing on the wiki	10:07
mariorz	not sure if thts what i want	10:08
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pupnik_	i think you need fuse to bind the filesystem in userspace	10:09
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mariorz	that means i have to istall fuse on the device?	10:10
sven-tek	mariorz, do you want to mount at host or at n800	10:12
mariorz	hmm good quesiton	10:12
mariorz	i imagine host add	10:12
mariorz	err host at	10:12
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mariorz	and its n770 but with os2007	10:12
sven-tek	i use to mount folders from my n800 on the host side. therefore i installed sshfs on the ubuntu pc	10:13
sven-tek	the new browser in os2008 annoyes me	10:13
mariorz	ok right so you mount the file system on the device from your desktop? thats what i want	10:13
mariorz	what do you need to install on the device for that just upenssh?	10:13
sven-tek	you only need ssh server on the device and fuse+sshfs on the host	10:14
mariorz	oks, seems to be not working but maybe an issue with macfuse then	10:14
mariorz	thanks	10:14
mariorz	just installed that as well	10:14
sven-tek	ubuntu can run on mac hardware very well :-P	10:15
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mariorz	haha actually this will be running ubuntu as long as i gets me hands on a new laptop that can run jaguar :P	10:15
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mariorz	s/long/soon	10:16
pupnik_	sidux is the penguin that ate new york	10:16
czr	mornin	10:17
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mariorz	so the desktop applets can only be written in c?	10:24
doc\|home	what rez movies will the media player play? I'm getting resolution not supporte	10:26
doc\|home	+d	10:26
pupnik_	mplayer?	10:26
_Monkey	i heard mplayer was a high-performance video player for the tablet OS: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer	10:26
pupnik_	770-encode?	10:27
_Monkey	i guess 770-encode is now known at tablet-encode and can be found at http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/	10:27
pupnik_	doc\|home: transcode to <=400 wide and <=240 high, use a good codec - then play with mplayer	10:27
doc\|home	wow, that's pretty crap :) thanks	10:28
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pupnik_	high definition video is too cpu hungry - remember divx video used to take around a 500mhz pentium to play smoothly	10:29
pupnik_	now some of it can be offloaded onto gpu, but still	10:29
doc\|home	yeah :/	10:30
sven-tek	I use the 770 mediaConverter for converting videos for my n800	10:30
sven-tek	pretty java gui, drag and drop	10:30
sven-tek	needs mplayer	10:31
sven-tek	of ffmpeg i dont recall	10:31
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astro76	mencoder	10:37
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mariorz	does anyone know if this is for os2007? http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/	10:43
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mariorz	or is the plugin rewrite for os2008?	10:44
L0cutus	uff	10:44
L0cutus	unable to install/use mediaserv :(	10:44
astro76	mariorz, the article is from march	10:45
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mariorz	astro76: i saw that but it also says that that version of hildon-desktop is not availabe for n800!	10:46
mariorz	err on the next one http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/29/writing-a-cool-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ sidenotes	10:46
bedboi	gtk_separator_tool_item_set_draw seems to have no effect on hildon	10:47
bedboi	is it a feature?	10:47
astro76	mariorz, could be, it's an upstream gnome project	10:47
mariorz	has anyone written python desktop applets for os2007?	10:47
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khertan	<mariorz> has anyone written python desktop applets for os2007?	10:53
khertan	not possible yet	10:53
khertan	sniff :(	10:53
khertan	binding isn't finished !	10:53
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mariorz	i see	10:53
sciboy	https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/extensions/maemo-google-gears/trunk/gears/README.Maemo	10:53
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mariorz	:( indeed	10:54
khertan	mariorz: and binding isn't finished on chinook too ...L	10:54
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sciboy	I'd kill for some binaries of that, it would allow me to use my todo list offline.	10:54
mariorz	khertan: i just saw some screencast of it working on chinook i think	10:55
mariorz	not sude about the code names but it was working on hildon	10:56
mariorz	hte ones i posted up	10:56
Spakman	has anyone written Ruby desktop applets yet?	10:56
mariorz	i think only c for the desktop applets in os2007	10:57
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doc\|home	pupnik_: tablet-encode did it perfectly, thanks :)	10:58
doc\|home	pupnik_: I'll be watching money as debt on my way to work in the morning :)	10:59
mariorz	watch sicp!	10:59
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doc\|home	wicp?	11:00
doc\|home	er, sicp?	11:00
mariorz	http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/	11:01
doc\|home	funky, I may just do that the day after :) thanks	11:01
mariorz	lol yeah im gonna take them to class and ignore real life teachers will watching that	11:02
doc\|home	hahaha	11:02
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pupnik_	hahaha i have the purple book mariorz	11:03
mariorz	cool im gonna print it tommorro :D	11:04
pupnik_	i had the misfortune of teaching myself to program in BASIC and learning Pascal before taking that course at university	11:04
pupnik_	so i was kind of ruined	11:04
pupnik_	brain... must..rearrange..assumptions	11:05
mariorz	i tought myself php so i guess were kind of on the same boar :S	11:05
mariorz	im recovering	11:05
mariorz	boat	11:05
pupnik_	boar works too	11:05
mariorz	ofc	11:05
pupnik_	hehe	11:06
timelyx	hrm	11:08
timelyx	planet.maemo is still borked?	11:08
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:11
Jaffa	L0cutus: need a hand with mediaserv?	11:11
Spakman	thanks mariorz	11:11
Spakman	what about 0S2008? Other languages?	11:11
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mariorz	Spakman: no idea, sorry	11:12
tsavola	sicp rules	11:12
tsavola	oh they have videos?	11:13
mariorz	Spakman: apparantly you cna use python for the applets i os2008	11:13
mariorz	Spakman: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/	11:14
mariorz	tsavola: yeah torrents are freaking fast	11:14
L0cutus	Jaffa: thanks, but the problem is with perl rather than with mediaserv unfortunately...	11:15
Spakman	ta mariorz	11:15
timelyx	Jaffa: have you fixed your google maps address?	11:16
L0cutus	seems some deps are not met	11:16
tsavola	mariorz: i already read the book, is the movie worth watching? :)	11:16
tsavola	although i did see a finnish version of the play	11:16
mariorz	hahaha	11:17
mariorz	theyre videos from calss lectures at hp or someplace	11:18
X-Fade	timelyx: Planet has been refreshed..	11:25
khertan	<mariorz> khertan: i just saw some screencast of it working on chinook i think	11:27
khertan	mariorz: it s on chinook	11:27
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khertan	mariorz: but with a dev version of the binding	11:28
khertan	and this version of binding seems to be not available anywhere	11:28
khertan	lucasr from blogs.gnome.org is the developper of this binding	11:28
mariorz	i see	11:29
rothiel	Hi guys :)	11:29
mariorz	then again im ona 770 so had already given up on the dessktop applet, ill just write an app	11:29
khertan	but i m really interested by doing my own home applet in python :)	11:30
mariorz	that would rock indeed	11:30
khertan	hi rothiel	11:31
mariorz	khertan: youre working on that?	11:31
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lardman	morning	11:49
_Monkey	aloha	11:49
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timeless	czr: ping	11:52
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timeless	what did you want me to poke?	11:52
czr	pong timeless	11:52
timeless	oh, i know	11:52
* timeless goes hunting		11:52
timeless	btw, is it not ok to just consider flash sizes?	11:52
timeless	that's public :)	11:52
czr	timeless, well. kind of, and yes, I know the problem :-)	11:53
czr	if you're too scared to throw me a ballbark figure for the N810, I'll just wait what will happen when the proper review finishes ;-)	11:53
czr	that way your hands stay clean ;-)	11:53
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AD-N770	bon dia / good morning	11:55
czr	hey AD-N770	11:55
timeless	oh, it's no problem	11:55
timeless	i have qa :)	11:55
timeless	they'll get me a table :)	11:55
czr	:-)	11:55
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timeless	anyway, you also complained about something else	11:59
* timeless goes to find it		11:59
* timeless asks bugs.maemo :)		11:59
czr	timeless, yup. the tech specs page	11:59
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timeless	this is cool	12:00
czr	and I only filed a bug because you were too lazy to send yourself an email! :-)	12:00
timeless	people actually know how to use that product	12:00
timeless	there are 2 bugs there touched in the past 1 day :)	12:00
czr	heh	12:00
timeless	i.e., not just yours :)	12:00
czr	eh?	12:00
czr	let me check the bug num.	12:00
timeless	oh, i found yours	12:01
czr	hmm. what happened to it?	12:01
timeless	but try query:product=product,changedin=1d	12:01
timeless	it's unco	12:01
timeless	"my bugs" won't find uncos	12:01
czr	ah	12:01
czr	I always file them uncorfimed first	12:01
czr	should I change?	12:01
czr	is there something wrong with me?	12:01
* czr goes soul searching		12:01
timeless	no, but you should save a query that includes unco ;)	12:01
czr	I use 'active' for that :-)	12:02
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czr	not 'my bugs'	12:02
* timeless tries to remember who to bug		12:02
czr	although I didn't add that to active. it was too trivial	12:02
timeless	ok, bug forwarded	12:03
timeless	i wonder if the people i sent it to use bugs.maemo	12:03
timeless	if they do, i could cc them :)	12:03
* czr shrugs		12:04
timeless	nope, they don't :(	12:04
czr	I should get a t-shirt that reads "yes, I'm the guy who bugs you all the time on bugs.maemo". Then I could wear that whenever I'm over at ruoholahti.	12:04
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czr	although I have the distinct feeling that people eye me with an evil eye as it is	12:04
timeless	heh	12:06
timeless	ok, i'm off to haunt some people	12:06
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czr	elb, the same bug actually affects any program that uses LibOSSO too :-)	12:07
czr	elb, since libosso will try to open a connection to the session bus as soon as osso_initialize is used.	12:08
czr	so, all libosso programs will core.	12:08
pupnik_	i like the t-shirt "I read your email"	12:13
czr	I had the bumper sticker on my old laptop	12:13
czr	oddly enough, only one course participant ever chuckled because of it	12:14
czr	maybe the rest assumed that I really read their email /me shugs	12:14
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pupnik_	I wore a 'hacking for jesus' t-shirt to rehearsals of Handel's messiah and got some strange questions about it	12:14
czr	heh	12:14
pupnik_	http://www.phonelosers.org/images/order_shirt_lod_iwt03.jpg	12:16
czr	hmm. I caused the bash of sbox to segfault	12:17
czr	or rather, /scratchbox/login	12:17
timeless	been there done that	12:17
czr	in X86?	12:17
timeless	it wasn't my sbox :)	12:17
* czr itches to write "If your Scratchbox will break at this point, don't worry, it's quite normal."		12:18
timeless	heh	12:18
timeless	s/will break/breaks/ :(	12:18
czr	true :-)	12:18
timeless	/bin/true crashed, it's a symlink to scrathbox :)	12:19
czr	heh	12:19
timeless	but seriously, i don't remember what i did to crash it	12:19
czr	I used dbus-send.	12:19
* timeless goes back to haunting		12:20
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sujan	HI	12:43
_Monkey	hello, sujan	12:43
sujan	do you know, in nokia N800 how can I give write permission to a read only file	12:44
lardman	chmod +w filename	12:44
lardman	you might be able to click and hold the stylus and get properties?	12:44
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sujan	how?	12:45
mariorz	woot got sshfs working	12:45
lardman	do the first one in a terminal, try the second in filemanager	12:45
lardman	either/or	12:46
sujan	in file manager where is /usr/bin	12:47
lardman	you can't access it from filemanager	12:47
sujan	?	12:47
lardman	why do you want to write to a file in /usr/bin?	12:47
lardman	script?	12:47
sujan	no, just a simple text file	12:48
sujan	containing a integer value...	12:48
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lardman	and it's in /usr/bin?	12:49
czr	sujan, /usr/bin is not meant to store data. man hier please.	12:51
czr	sujan, if you want to store data so that the file manager can access it, the correct place will be /home/user/MyDocs (or just ~/MyDocs if using the shell)	12:52
zs	hi, on my 770 i can put only 50 MB data on memory card, is it normal? (i have 1gb kingston card)	12:53
lardman	with that said, if it's already there, you need to use the terminal to change the properties (but presumably you are already using vi to edit it)	12:53
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sujan	can i write any file in /home/user/MyDocs?	12:55
lardman	yes	12:59
lardman	as long as the permissions are correct	12:59
bedboi	is there any gpe-sudoku user there?	13:00
bedboi	i would need some hint on which icon to use for the "guess" mode	13:00
sujan	actually the problem is i have installed a application which executable is in /usr/bin and this executable will read a integer value from file	13:01
lardman	ok, you can put the file anywhere	13:04
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lardman	but not usually in /usr/bin	13:04
Jaffa	sujan: is it just reading the value? Should the user be able to change it?	13:05
Jaffa	If the answer to both is "no", it should probably go in /usr/share/<app>/	13:05
_Monkey	Hmm. No matches for that, Jaffa.	13:05
sujan	yes,user will change it	13:05
Jaffa	_Monkey: shut up	13:05
_Monkey	Jaffa: i'm not following you...	13:05
lardman	sujan: what does the app do with the number?	13:06
lardman	personally I'd create this text file in ~/	13:06
lardman	then you can quickly open the terminal and edit it with vi without needing to cd anywhere	13:07
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sujan	read the number and draw an image with that scaling factor	13:09
lardman	as I said, stick the text file in you home directory ~/ ( = /home/user/)	13:12
* Jaffa agrees, either called .app or in a .app directory in /home/user		13:14
bedboi	oh my god, read this: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/11/19/493	13:14
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lardman	hmm, good to see a Firefox 3 beta is out and MAndriva have yet to make Firefox 2 available for me to install	13:23
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timeless	ukmp?	14:07
_Monkey	hmmm... ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp	14:07
timeless	who works on ukmp?	14:07
X-Fade	timeless: konttori.	14:07
_Monkey	konttori are you still working on UKMP?	14:07
X-Fade	timeless: Works for Nokia too.	14:07
timeless	!seen konttori	14:08
timeless	_monkey seen konttori	14:08
_Monkey	konttori was last seen on #maemo 1 days, 13 hours, 39 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: damn, is it true that os2008 version of python 2.5 doesn't have glade? [Mon Nov 19 22:29:15 2007]	14:08
timeless	it doesn't install for me on 2008...	14:08
timeless	repositories?	14:09
_Monkey	hmmm... repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php	14:09
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timeless	any idea where i can get libgdbm3?	14:13
X-Fade	sdk repository	14:15
_Monkey	somebody said sdk repository was not meant for upgrading	14:15
X-Fade	It should be uploaded to extras..	14:15
X-Fade	maemo-mapper depends on it too.	14:15
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zs	can I upgrade my 770 to the latest OS 2006 under linux?	14:17
lardman	yes	14:19
zs	how?	14:19
lardman	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/	14:20
zs	ok i will try it now, thanks	14:21
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Andy80	hi all	14:39
Jaffa	Can we have our daily "I want my N810" moan yet?	14:49
dpb_	I want my N810~	14:51
dpb_	Happy now?	14:51
Jaffa	Much. Don't need a new toy now :)	14:53
lardman	I still do though!	14:54
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Tak	you're not missing anything - FF3b1 went nuts on me yesterday and ate all my ram	14:55
* lardman feels better now		14:55
lardman	FF3b1?	14:55
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lardman	Come on _Monkey!	14:55
Tak	FF3b1 is Firefox3 beta1	14:56
lardman	ah, well I've still got v1.x	14:57
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Tak	zs: why not 2007he?	14:57
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zs	Tak: i will try it later, now i have a problem with my 770, i can transfer only 50MB, if more transfer slown down to 0 kbps	15:09
Tak	how are you transferring?	15:10
zs	via usb cable	15:11
Tak	hmm - does it eventually start up again?	15:13
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zs	i have tried with 2 memory cards and problem is the same	15:13
zs	no it doesn't, if i unplug device there is no file on memory card	15:14
Tak	heh - are you unmounting it before you're unplugging it?	15:14
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zs	no	15:14
Tak	then it won't show up for sure	15:15
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zs	what i am doing is, i copy some files, if i put less than 50 MB on memory files i can use them, but if i put more data than 50 MB there are only few files	15:18
zs	i can only put 50 MB on my 1GB card	15:18
zs	:/	15:18
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lardman	try fsck'ing the card	15:25
zs	i have got this same problem with other card	15:26
Tak	hmm - I used to have problems with copies failing if I tried to dump data to the card too fast over usb, but those wouldn't hang, they'd just fail	15:27
lardman	zs: what machine is this?	15:30
zs	770	15:30
lardman	I wonder if it suffers from the same problem the n800 did - and that the last FIASCO image was released for?	15:31
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bedboi	guys i have problems installing python2.5-runtime on os2008	15:37
bedboi	is it a known issue?	15:37
Tak	lardman: the sd card thing, or the wifi driver thing?	15:37
X-Fade	bedboi: Add the sdk repository..	15:39
bedboi	sdk?	15:39
_Monkey	i guess sdk is not complete yet, anyway	15:39
bedboi	stupid monkey	15:39
bedboi	X-Fade: you mean: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free	15:42
bedboi	X-Fade: thanks, it's working	15:43
lardman	Tak: SD card thing	15:43
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alterego	It's being one of those loooong days	15:45
L0cutus	lol	15:48
czr	alterego, hey ruby-fella	15:49
* czr prepares the windows for alterego		15:49
alterego	:P	15:50
alterego	Unfortunately I have to complete this work.	15:50
alterego	Otherwise I don't get any money :P	15:50
GNUton	Hi!	15:51
czr	alterego, me too!	15:51
alterego	;)	15:51
czr	although I might not get any money anyway, but who cares..	15:51
alterego	Hah	15:51
alterego	That sucks.	15:51
GNUton	i'm tring to create a package for chinook	15:51
bedboi	GNUton: good for you	15:52
bedboi	:P	15:52
GNUton	but i need flex and libglu1-mesa-dev packages...	15:52
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truls	mesa on n810? ouch	15:53
GNUton	truls: i'm new.. and i don't have a tablet yet.. so i don't know the hardware yet!	15:54
GNUton	yet yet! :/	15:54
alterego	yup yup	15:54
truls	there is no usable 3d hardware	15:54
alterego	I think it's almost time for me to take a break.	15:54
czr	alterego, me too. I'm thinking food actually	15:55
alterego	Yeah, might finish that spag bol from last night.	15:56
GNUton	truls: thank you!	15:56
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truls	GNUton: anytime	16:01
L0cutus	anyone is using mediaserv + videocenter ?	16:02
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L0cutus	i need to know how to add mi server to videocenter	16:02
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GNUton	truls: :)	16:11
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Jaffa	L0cutus: 'lo	16:12
L0cutus	lol	16:12
L0cutus	good to know :)	16:13
elb	czr: hmmm, that's unfortunate	16:13
Jaffa	L0cutus: if nothing else, you can tap & hold on the RSS icon in the folder view in mediaserv, select "Copy link location" and paste that into mediaserv. See the demo video on http://mediaserv.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html which does exactly that	16:13
czr	elb, yup	16:13
czr	elb, esp since the error missage is somewhat misleading	16:13
L0cutus	ha, ok, thanks, i try :)	16:13
Jaffa	L0cutus: alternatively, you should just be able to tap on the video center icon alongside the RSS one and it'll do it all automagically.	16:14
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L0cutus	i've try the second one	16:17
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L0cutus	videocenter is now open and it is adding the source	16:17
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bedboi	is there a way let maemo framework aware of USB network connection?	16:19
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bedboi	the problem is that when you set up a USB network connection i just can use internet from the commandline	16:20
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L0cutus	Jaffa: videocenter rss are buggy :)	16:40
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_berto_	dudes, vagalume 0.3 is out -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2007/11/21/vagalume-03-now-with-some-images-too/	16:52
_berto_	:)	16:52
Jaffa	L0cutus: define "buggy" (and check the README for known problems)	16:54
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X-Fade	_berto_: Now with icon too ;)	16:55
_berto_	:)	16:56
_berto_	yes, all the UI stuff was done in these last two days	16:56
_berto_	so it'll probably change	16:56
_berto_	but at least we have something	16:56
X-Fade	Yeah, nice to see album art too.	16:56
X-Fade	And easy access to love and ban.	16:56
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Andy80	_berto_: I'll test it in few minutes!!! :)	17:00
_berto_	thanks! :)	17:00
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_berto_	if someone tests it in the 770 I'd appreciate feedback	17:00
_berto_	(it should work too but I haven't tested it)	17:01
Andy80	I've N770 but I use 2007 HE :\	17:01
* alterego yawns		17:01
_berto_	so you use the bora version, don't you?	17:01
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Andy80	yes, I use the same N800 version	17:02
solmumaha	_berto_: i can test with 2006 like always	17:02
Andy80	p.s: congratulation for the improvements :) I'm looking at the screenshots!	17:02
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solmumaha	looks nice btw	17:02
_berto_	:)	17:03
_berto_	thanks	17:03
_berto_	let's hope it doesn't break	17:03
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_berto_	I changed several things in the gstreamer part, but it seems stable	17:04
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L0cutus	Jaffa: videocenter show only 13 video out of about 50 files	17:05
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L0cutus	and show also some files that are on subdirs not only on the root dir	17:06
L0cutus	(dunno if this is correct)	17:07
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solmumaha	_berto_: no images on buttons	17:11
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_berto_	solmumaha: no ??	17:11
solmumaha	it works normally	17:12
solmumaha	i don't see images	17:12
_berto_	no images? strange, can you run it from an xterm ?	17:12
solmumaha	sure	17:12
_berto_	I'm loading them with gdkpixbufloader, maybe that version doesn't support png files ... :?	17:13
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solmumaha	ah, prolly a theme thing	17:13
_berto_	I don't think so, they're not stock buttons, I'm loading the images from files included in the package	17:14
_matthias_	are there any news out there regarding the n810 availability in europe?	17:16
kulve	no	17:16
_matthias_	damn !	17:17
kulve	yep	17:17
_matthias_	will call nokia.at tomorrow	17:17
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Andy80	_berto_: I just added the repository to catalog, so it will be easier for me to update	17:17
* _matthias_ would not want fresh and crips devices lying around in some warehouse and freezing		17:17
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_berto_	Andy80: there's a .install file in my page and in maemo.org/downloads :)	17:19
_berto_	http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/vagalume/	17:19
Andy80	_berto_: just installed on os2007 HE. I can see buttons images, but it loose my settings... nothing important eh :P	17:20
_berto_	wtf, settings are stored in the same file, I haven't changed that at all	17:20
_berto_	:)	17:21
X-Fade	_berto_: Settings don't survive a backup and restore..	17:21
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X-Fade	_berto_: I think you need to give the system a notice to also backup your settings..	17:21
_berto_	ah, so you upgraded from 2006 to 2007HE	17:21
Andy80	_berto_: I can assure you :) it loose them :)	17:22
Andy80	anyway it works fine! :)	17:22
solmumaha	_berto_: http://pastebin.com/db85dde7	17:22
joshin	Does anyone know of a full screen clock maemo application? I want to be able to use my 770 (running 2006 or hacker edition) as a clock rado.	17:22
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_berto_	yes, seems a theme thing, strange...	17:23
alterego	joshin, I don't know of one but it'd be easy to write one :)	17:23
Andy80	_berto_: another very little bug: when you let mark a song as "loved" or "hated" you should disable the relative button until the next song.... I think...	17:23
_berto_	Andy80: yes, and the same with the download button	17:23
_berto_	actually you cannot ban a song twice because a ban implies a skip	17:24
_berto_	but you could love it and then ban it, in that case the love setting would have no effect	17:24
_berto_	but yeah, you're reight	17:24
_berto_	*right	17:24
X-Fade	_berto_: Info about backup: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#backup	17:24
_berto_	X-Fade: thanks	17:25
Andy80	_berto_: the download button is always disabled here... it's a my problem or a vagalume problem? maybe I've not the permission to download the song?	17:25
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_berto_	Andy80: it only works with free tracks	17:25
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_berto_	most of the tracks cannot be downloaded, but I put a couple of free tracks in my blog entry	17:26
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Andy80	ok :)	17:26
X-Fade	Andy80: Otherwise it would be illegal ;)	17:26
_berto_	X-Fade: I'd like to know about that, really	17:27
_berto_	is it really illegal to save a stream that you're listening to?	17:27
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derf	Everything is illegal.	17:27
X-Fade	_berto_: Rights are payed by last.fm for streaming.	17:27
zoran	breathing also	17:27
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_berto_	X-Fade: that's what I supposed, yeah	17:27
X-Fade	_berto_: If people can download, you have to pay download fee.	17:28
_berto_	well, I have to work a bit now, see you later	17:28
X-Fade	_berto_: And that requires contracts with all labels..	17:28
derf	I've heard arguments advanced that copying things from one place in RAM to another is illegal.	17:28
Andy80	_berto_: I've an idea about that... I'll tell you later :)	17:28
_berto_	beware, walls have ears :)	17:29
joshin	alterego: Yeah, but I figured I'd ask here first.	17:30
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_berto_	Andy80: I thought about it too, but I cannot write private messages, I'll have to register my nick	17:30
_berto_	:)	17:30
_berto_	well, I'm busy now, really, see you later	17:30
Andy80	ok, the important you received the idea :)	17:30
Andy80	ok, see ya ;)	17:30
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penguinbait	can anyone tell me the purpose of docpurge? how stupid	17:33
lardman	reduce size of .debs?	17:33
penguinbait	if you delete the docs before making the deb, then you dont need docpurge?	17:33
penguinbait	real hackers dont read docs	17:34
penguinbait	bah	17:34
penguinbait	they read all the docs	17:34
lardman	if you delete them before hand then dpkg-buildpackage chokes	17:34
alterego	Sure, but there generally aren't many docs to read O_O	17:35
lardman	Surely docs are just there for padding	17:35
lardman	to make your .deb look bigger and therefore like it's more important?	17:35
penguinbait	cups sits in /usr/share/docs	17:35
penguinbait	if I do not remove docpurge, it eats cups	17:36
lardman	what the cups binaries sit in /usr/share/docs?	17:36
penguinbait	the website	17:36
_Monkey	i think the website is back again	17:36
lardman	ah right	17:36
penguinbait	its crap I tell you	17:37
penguinbait	if you could only hear my bad scottish accent	17:37
lardman	shouldn't those files in under share anyway rather than docs	17:37
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zoran	docs have some meaning for packet manager	17:38
penguinbait	usr/share/docs/cups is default, I could probably change it	17:38
penguinbait	I had it in /usr/local but had some odd problems	17:39
zoran	nokia or desktop?	17:39
Jaffa	joshin: there's mClock - but I've not tried it (just seen screenshots)	17:39
joshin	Jaffa: Thanks, just found it.	17:39
penguinbait	finally mplayer for 2008	17:40
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penguinbait	zoran, what?	17:40
pygi	hello	17:40
zoran	penguinbait, what device makes you a prob with /usr/local dir ?	17:40
zoran	it is normal place to put installed apps	17:40
penguinbait	when I compiled cups, and had its home in /usr/local on Nokia tablet, it had trouble finding all its parts	17:41
lardman	it's not in $PATH on the Nokia machines though	17:41
penguinbait	It is if you install KDE :)	17:41
pygi	anyone actually installed kde on N800 ? :P	17:41
penguinbait	I did	17:42
lardman	lol, overkill methinks	17:42
penguinbait	hehe	17:42
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pygi	funny :D	17:42
pygi	well, we'll see what evil I'll do when n810 comes :)	17:42
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truls	anyone know a os2007 program using both python and compiled C? wouldn't mind an example setup.py to look at	17:42
penguinbait	Cant wait to get n810 in hand	17:42
pygi	penguinbait: I never had a chance to play with earlier versions, so imagine me :)	17:42
penguinbait	2008OS version is running good, with KDE PIM and Koffice	17:43
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penguinbait	Can wait to run on n810 with built in keyboard	17:43
pygi	Koffice? Interesting xd	17:43
zoran	is it worth having kde for jsut that?	17:43
alterego	Pfft.	17:44
penguinbait	I use Konqueror all the time, I can browse remote samba or use fish to browse linux systems	17:44
lardman	hmm, just watched Canola video, it does look very nice, I wonder if it's all pre-cached?	17:44
pygi	well, I also have to play with Mamona ... Enlightment DE :)	17:45
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lardman	I'm going to try Mamona tonight to build an image	17:45
pygi	nice, poke with experiences :)	17:46
lardman	mine will be bad as I'm trying to use OABI and old GCC :)	17:46
pygi	:P	17:46
pygi	also gotta port a CLI IM client based on telepathy :D	17:46
pygi	that'll be funny :p	17:47
lardman	why CLI?	17:47
pygi	why not? :)	17:47
lardman	is that the name?	17:47
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pygi	nop, name is FamaIM	17:47
pygi	lardman: http://fama-im.org	17:47
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lardman	oh, Nokia support telepathy don't they, I've no idea what it does or what they use it for though	17:48
pygi	communication :)	17:48
penguinbait	if they supported telepathy, they would not have added the keyboard on the n810	17:48
penguinbait	:)	17:48
lardman	all over my head, no idea what it does	17:48
pygi	penguinbait: it's still not in a usable-state for everyone ... it doesnt support everyone's brain waves, so they included it as a backup	17:49
pygi	lardman, just read http://fama-im.org :)	17:49
penguinbait	ah	17:49
zoran	pygi, manual looks fine enough	17:50
penguinbait	many humans dont contain the hardware, or useable software :(	17:50
pygi	zoran: :)	17:50
zoran	pygi, ncurses and just like irssi	17:50
pygi	zoran: not as mature as irssi, but ... :)	17:51
lardman	yet another IM program	17:51
pygi	lardman, not true	17:51
lardman	why not?	17:51
pygi	world's first and only CLI IM app based on telepathy :)	17:51
lardman	:)	17:52
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zoran	I thought only win users like im :)	17:53
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pygi	have any other way of communication except mail? :P	17:54
zoran	irc	17:54
Robot101	lardman: telepathy is the cure to "yet another IM program" syndrome	17:54
Robot101	lardman: people can write different UIs and backends and they can all talk to each other	17:54
lardman	Robot101: well that's an admirable idea	17:55
Robot101	it's not an idea, it's a reality	17:55
pygi	zoran: fine, remove irc as well :)	17:55
lardman	concept then	17:55
Robot101	the UIs on the N800 can do IRC, SIP, MSN, AIM, Yahoo, whatever, when you install the appropriate backends	17:55
lopz	hola	17:55
_Monkey	que tal, lopz	17:55
Robot101	we're gonna put some packages out for OS2008	17:55
Robot101	link-local messaging too, see people on your LAN..	17:56
lardman	ah, so the inbuilt Jabber functionality could be extended to do MSN with the right backend>	17:56
lardman	?	17:56
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lardman	Link-local like Bonjour/iChat?	17:56
Robot101	right	17:56
lardman	cool	17:56
Robot101	lardman: yes, the inbuilt functionality is based on Telepathy, so you can put in any telepathy protocol backend if you write a little configuration UI	17:56
lardman	That sounds quite good then	17:56
pygi	haze would probably work fine for a generic support of all that protocols :)	17:57
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Robot101	well, salut is better than libpurple's bonjour impl	17:57
sKaBoy	Robot101, do you know if it's possible to write that UI? I've tried last w-end but i've not found headers or source of osso-accounts.. i've sent a mail to maemo-dev but no reply yet :/	17:57
Robot101	sKaBoy: there are some older headers in rtcomm.garage.maemo.org repo	17:58
pygi	Robot101: that's true	17:58
Robot101	sKaBoy: but they should be in chinook, something is screwed up	17:58
Robot101	I hope more binary stuff to put on top of chinook will release when OS2008 is publically released	17:58
Robot101	maybe...	17:58
sKaBoy	Robot101, i've not found them on chinook.. i'm waiting for the official image to see.. let's hope :)	17:59
penguinbait	anyone else think ITT's new front page is a memory sucking waste of code?	17:59
lardman	+1	17:59
penguinbait	If I can't go there on my tablet, its not much use to me anymore	18:00
Robot101	sKaBoy: what were you working on?	18:00
lardman	but I use firefox on the pc so what's a little bit of extra sucked memory hey?	18:00
lardman	penguinbait: true, it's not all that friendly for the tablets	18:01
penguinbait	My pc works fine, Konq and microb on 2008 not so well	18:01
sKaBoy	Robot101, the "leaked" os2008 for n810 (installed on a n800..) and chinook rep. Compiled telepahy backend for msn w/o problems but i don't see it in the UI.. i think because i need to add the osso-accounts thing	18:01
zoran	penguinbait, cannot tell since I don't load pictures :)	18:01
penguinbait	I dont think its all the pics	18:01
penguinbait	maybe it is	18:01
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pygi	sKaBoy: telepathy-butterfly or?	18:01
penguinbait	Load in 2008 OS, then try to zoom to 120%	18:02
sKaBoy	uhm not, i tried with irc... telepathy-idle sorry :)	18:02
penguinbait	mine chokes a bit	18:02
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pygi	sKaBoy: irc is a special story ... telepathy implementation must support rooms	18:02
pygi	(it probably does there, but just as a notice :P)	18:03
sKaBoy	pygi, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-November/012830.html	18:03
Robot101	idle does support rooms, yes	18:03
pygi	Robot101: I meant the client :)	18:03
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pygi	sKaBoy: just read it, thanks ;)	18:05
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* fysa wants easy font settings for the browser		18:07
fysa	putzing around with zoom at 120% all the time is kind of silly and looks like crap.. Opera with a minimum font of 15 and standard zoom was perfect.	18:08
Robot101	pygi: eh, it does support rooms.	18:08
Robot101	pygi: it doesn't support anonymous rooms	18:08
pygi	Robot101: got it =)	18:08
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K`zan	Be careful out there :-) - http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/11/20/wi-fi-causing-autism/	19:15
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GNUton	Hi	19:20
_Monkey	hey, GNUton	19:20
GNUton	i'm trying to compile a debian package in scratchbox, but the compilation abort with a linker error.. cannot find -lz	19:20
GNUton	but i've got zlib installed!	19:21
timeless	but did you add link paths?	19:21
GNUton	hey _Monkey! :)	19:21
b0unc3	GNUton: tru to run ldconfig	19:21
timeless	don't feed the bots	19:21
b0unc3	try*	19:21
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GNUton	timeless: yes, i think i've added this line export LD_LIBRARY_PATH := $(QTDIR)/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH):/usr/lib/ in my rules	19:22
timeless	eww, qt?	19:23
GNUton	timeless: yes	19:23
GNUton	i'm trying to compile qt4	19:23
GNUton	the deb package is done..	19:23
Tak	GNUton: penguinbait is the person to whom to talk	19:23
GNUton	penguinbait: ping	19:23
GNUton	Tak: ok, thank you! :)	19:24
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* timeless wonders if any nokians are around		19:33
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timeless	anyone here speak italian/french?	19:35
GNUton	timeless: i'm italian!	19:35
timeless	you have os2008?	19:35
bedboi	i'm an italian living in paris :)	19:36
timeless	(os2008, or microb, doesn't really matter)	19:36
timeless	you need to be running italian/french(france) locales to help	19:36
* timeless busy waits		19:37
X-Fade	timeless: Can you poke the image background scaling bug a bit?	19:37
shackan	bedboi: you're not in new mexico anymore? :)	19:38
L0cutus	GNUton: idem :)	19:39
* Tak wants to move to paris		19:39
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Thana64	where idownload the last firmware to upgrade ? (chinook?)	19:42
GNUro	timeless: i'm italian.	19:43
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L0cutus	this is an Italian channel ! :)	19:45
GNUro	L0cutus: are u italian?	19:45
GNUro	eheh :)	19:45
L0cutus	si	19:46
GNUro	creare un canale #maemo-it? no?? :P	19:46
Tak	why split the channel?	19:46
L0cutus	i've already done it on azzurr@ :)	19:46
GNUro	Tak: no... :)	19:47
Tak	if you start that, the nokians will create #maemo-fi and all go there and talk amongst themselves in incomprehensible troll-language	19:47
L0cutus	hehehe	19:47
GNUro	ahah :)	19:47
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murrayc_	There aren't many Fins at Nokia.	19:48
bedboi	shackan: nope.	19:48
bedboi	shackan: i'm quite a globe trotter	19:48
bedboi	shackan: btw, i'm really eager to come back to italy.	19:48
shackan	bedboi: you're kidding, right?	19:49
Thana64	is mamona usable ?	19:49
bedboi	shackan: nope. i miss the good food	19:49
bedboi	italy is still there just for food.	19:49
L0cutus	bedboi: 1/2 of Italian want to go OUT of Italy..	19:49
shackan	L0cutus: I'd say even more than that	19:50
bedboi	i'm in that 50%, but then you miss the food	19:50
L0cutus	yes i know :)	19:50
shackan	food?	19:50
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_Monkey	food is even cheaper in Japan actually ;-)	19:50
* shackan shakes head in disbelief		19:50
Syntra	Hey Guys	19:50
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Syntra	Just got my Apple Wireless Keyboard	19:50
Syntra	Has anybody else used one? Cause I'm a little confused.	19:51
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shackan	it's a keyboard, it (supposedly) has keys, what's to be confused from?	19:52
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L0cutus	bt keyboard doesn't work well on n800 while connected via bt phone to internet unfortunately	19:52
mgedmin	I want one, I think	19:52
Thana64	what is hte last system ? i have tried to install minibro and it requeres the system updated, (chinook ? finished/usable ?)	19:52
Syntra	I'm not exactly sure what to do	19:53
Syntra	Attempting to Pair it to the N800 gives me like 2 minutes of "Pairing" then a failed message	19:53
mgedmin	hm	19:54
mgedmin	usually you have to indicate the wish to pair on both devices at more or less the same time	19:54
mgedmin	and then type the same PIN on both (unless one of the devices has a hardcoded PIN)	19:54
Syntra	Do you know how I would tell it I want to pair on my Keyboard?	19:55
Syntra	Cause its quite obvious on my N800	19:55
mgedmin	I've never seen an Apple Wireless keyboard up close	19:55
mgedmin	isn't there some small button on the other side, e.g.?	19:56
Syntra	Theres a power button, but thats it	19:56
mgedmin	is there a manual?	19:56
Syntra	Yeah, it says to "follow the onscreen instructions"	19:57
Syntra	After inserting the CD, that is	19:58
mgedmin	heh	19:58
* mgedmin googles		19:58
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oob	good morning	19:59
alterego	Well .. Doesn't look like I'll be getting an N810 before this weekend then :/	19:59
* alterego starts to weep.		19:59
elb	yeah	19:59
elb	sucks	19:59
mgedmin	this post implies that people did get the apple wireless keyboard to work with a N800: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=86612	20:00
alterego	Sucks because I'm going camping this weekend.	20:00
Syntra	Yeah, I know that it works	20:00
Syntra	Which is why I bought it	20:00
alterego	The GPS would have been cool to play with.	20:00
alterego	Not to mention, writing Ruby-Maemo apps on the top of a mountain sounds kind of fun.	20:01
guardian	is tomboy available for maemo ?	20:02
alterego	No, we have maemo mapper.	20:02
alterego	It's better.	20:02
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elb	how are tomboy and maemo mapper related?	20:06
elb	tomboy is a wiki-like notetaking system, maemo mapper is mapping software	20:06
mgedmin	Syntra: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=89663&postcount=32	20:06
alterego	Oh, I thought he meant the GPS software.	20:07
Syntra	I will read that	20:07
alterego	Tomboy ..	20:07
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alterego	Oh, is that the wiki like note taking program?	20:07
elb	I just said that, word for word, yes	20:07
Syntra	OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!	20:07
Syntra	I have to press buttons on it!	20:07
Syntra	OK then, I think I can get it working.	20:07
alterego	That might explain why I've heard of it,	20:08
elb	what GPS program did you think it was related to?	20:08
alterego	What?	20:08
elb	because if you were thinking of the commercial tomtom software, maemo mapper doesn't even compare	20:08
alterego	Sure it does.	20:08
alterego	I can't modify tomtom software.	20:09
elb	calculating and fetching routes before you leave does not compare to built-in mapping with on-the-fly route calculation ;-)	20:09
alterego	You need a computer to calculate your routes? :P	20:09
elb	no, I mean, they're not comparable as in they don't do at all the same thing	20:09
alterego	The Nokia app does that stuff.	20:09
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elb	I guess you don't drive in strange places, much	20:09
alterego	Unfortunately after deleting it I can't reinstall it without reflashing my tablet.	20:09
alterego	No, I'm just used to working out my own routes.	20:10
elb	yes, one could compare a commercial GPS unit with the Nokia GPS software, that would be reasonable	20:10
Syntra	mgedmin: Thanks a TON For that post!	20:10
Syntra	Got it working 100% now!	20:10
elb	working out your own routes in a strange city means stopping and consulting the map, or having a co-pilot	20:10
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elb	at least, that level of map consultation while moving is irresponsible and dangerous, many people do attempt it	20:11
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alterego	City navigation is different I guess.	20:11
elb	I've been known to employ the "point my vehicle in approximately the right direction until I'm close" method of navigation, but it is fraught with its own perils	20:11
alterego	Meh, taxi drivers are better for city navigation :P	20:12
elb	sure, if you're on the highway with exits coming no more rapidly than every few minutes and a destination that's a thousand miles away, calculating your own routes is trivial!	20:12
Robot101	elb: the worst time I ever had /with/ a GPS was when it took me into the centre of london and started crashing whenever I did and/or it thought I'd deviated from the route, and OOM'd when it was trying to calculate a new one	20:12
Robot101	go Series 60 map software :(	20:12
elb	Robot101: hah nice	20:12
Robot101	and when you have 5 lane roads and you're in the wrong lane, and then it crashes and you're going a totally different way, you're screwed	20:13
Robot101	I had to drive off into random side streets and reload the program	20:13
Robot101	totally lame	20:13
elb	anyway, the point is, comparing maemo mapper to a commercial gps unit's navigation software is disingenuous	20:13
elb	and comparing it to a note-taking package is nonsensical ;-)	20:14
alterego	Oh, so you had a point.	20:14
elb	I made it earlier, and you pooh-poohed it	20:14
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elb	(six minutes ago)	20:15
alterego	I think the point is. I made the mistake of thinking that tomboy was GPS software.	20:15
alterego	I'd completely forgot it, I played with it a little a few years ago.	20:15
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alterego	And regardless. I don't care about route finding software.	20:15
alterego	It's much more interesting to me to just know where I am.	20:16
elb	that's fine, but that doesn't make maemo mapper better than any given piece of software you haven't even identified ;-)	20:16
alterego	Which is what I'd say GPS software is. Whether it's tomtom or whatever.	20:16
elb	I carry a GPS everywhere I go, and it doesn't even have street-level maps -- and I find it useful and entertaining nonetheless	20:16
alterego	Well, it's got to be better than any commercial closed source program right? :P	20:16
elb	not necessarily	20:17
alterego	O_o	20:18
elb	it's perfectly possible for a closed-source application to be better than any given open-source application by any metric except potential (or the nebulous concept of freedom)	20:18
elb	I've used an awful lot of really crappy open source software ;-)	20:18
alterego	Oh, so you count quality above freedom?	20:18
alterego	I'm not sure there's a single aspect in life that freedom doesn't come paramount. (in my opinion)	20:19
elb	true freedom, I agree	20:19
elb	in terms of software ... software is around to get a job done	20:19
truls	ack, just realized maybe using setup.py/distutils for building my application is useless...	20:20
elb	I happen to agree that there exist very few commercial software packages for which there is not an appropriate open source alternative, which is better both in qualitative and idealogical metrics	20:20
alterego	I'd say the freedom to examine and modify software is an essential function :P	20:20
elb	but such packages do exist	20:20
truls	is using configure required when you build stuff?	20:20
truls	to make sure the crosscompling works properly?	20:20
alterego	truls, as long as you use python compiled for your host architecture you should be able to run setup.py files to your hearts content.	20:21
truls	alterego: even if it compiles extensions?	20:21
alterego	I don't know. Python extensions are ugly.	20:22
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truls	heh, yeah	20:22
truls	that's what happens when stuff isn't available in the basic repositories	20:22
alterego	I have a similar issue with Ruby, when needing ruby in the build process of some package. There is a chance that it'll break somewhere.	20:22
truls	(in this case a nice blowfish encryption lib)	20:22
elb	setup.py is capable of cross-compilation	20:23
alterego	So I compiled a ruby interpreter for my host system and placed it in a location that is shared across _all_ scratchbox targets.	20:23
truls	elb: ah, thanks!	20:23
elb	I don't know if a particular setup.py has to take special steps to be able to do so	20:23
truls	hm, i'll try and see what happens i guess	20:23
elb	(in the C world, for example, using autoconf doesn't make your package magically able to cross-compile in any but the simplest cases)	20:23
GNUro	bye!	20:23
truls	ok	20:23
alterego	Many people have hit the qemu glibc arm-eabi issue ..	20:24
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alterego	I thought that was what he was refering to.	20:24
truls	it's kinda hard following the python_maemo_3.x_howto when you also have extensions to compile....	20:25
truls	in this case regarding the debian packaging	20:25
truls	"The main point is that the binary-arch target was emptied and the binary-indep filled, since the application being 100% Python means that it is 100% architecture-independent.	20:25
truls	"	20:25
truls	(regarding changing debian/rules)	20:26
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truls	i guess it would help if i knew what i was doing	20:26
elb	I often feel that way ;-)	20:26
alterego	Heh	20:26
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truls	hm, svn-buildpackage doesnt work so well in armel...	20:48
realitygaps_	hi guys, can anyone explain how to get a2dp working in os2008?	20:48
realitygaps_	or is this the wrong channel	20:48
alterego	If you're looking for an insightful answer. This is definitely the wrong channel ;)	20:50
* alterego wonders what a2dp is anyway.		20:51
Tak	truls: so the rules for building the extensions should be under binary-arch, and the pure python stuff should be under binary-indep	20:51
mgedmin	alterego: a bluetooth profile for hi-quality stereo audio, iirc	20:51
alterego	Ah, like handsfree kit thing?	20:52
mgedmin	no, handsfree kits use sco, which is a bluetooth profile for low-quality mono audio	20:52
truls	Tak: ok, playing around with it now	20:52
truls	Tak: just have all rules under both? :)	20:52
alterego	Right, okay. So more like wireless headphones?	20:52
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mgedmin	I might be using the word "profile" incorrectly, btw, but these are definitely different protocols/whatevers	20:52
truls	they're just a lot of keywords	20:52
alterego	mgedmin, yeah. They generally call them profiles I think ;)	20:53
mgedmin	wireless headphones, yes	20:53
mgedmin	... or I might be misremembering; all I remember about the stereo audio protocol is that it starts with an 'a' and has four letters, one of which is a digit	20:54
mgedmin	People Cannot Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms	20:54
Tak	heh, for my rubygame package, I just put the whole thing under binary-arch	20:54
* Tak lazy		20:54
truls	that's what i'm doing now	20:54
Tak	since it had native extensions	20:54
truls	so if that works, i'm set ;)	20:54
Tak	Works For Me[tm]	20:55
truls	ack, won't show up in the menu...	20:55
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* czr peeks		20:58
* Tak mallets czr		20:58
* mgedmin confuses czr with bzr		20:58
czr	mgedmin, no, it's Pulse Code Modulated Central Intelligence Agency, everybody knows that	20:58
realitygaps_	mgedmin: yeah its the wireless bluetooth protocol. I heard it can be enabled by playing with /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf but havent had much luck	20:58
mgedmin	realitygaps_: I heard some audio players for the n800 have explicit support for it	20:59
* czr becomes azr (malleted and confused)		20:59
mgedmin	which implies that you can't easily redirect all of the n800's audio output to it	20:59
mgedmin	at least, not with the current firmware version	20:59
realitygaps_	mgedmin: kagu does but theres no backend	20:59
realitygaps_	and i had kagu working in 2007 but 2008 no go	20:59
* czr puts on the maemo-virgin-chicken-armor		20:59
mgedmin	hmm	21:00
truls	ack, keep getting almost empty debs	21:00
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truls	which is so strange as the debian/<programname> directory is full of nifty stuff...	21:02
Tak	don't you need a2dpd ?	21:04
realitygaps_	tak: i dont think so everyone keeps saying it just involves changing /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf	21:04
realitygaps_	tak: ive found hints all over but no instructions	21:04
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realitygaps_	oh well i guess i'll live without a2dp for the moment	21:05
* czr hands realitygaps_ r2d2 instead		21:05
czr	it's slightly more obsolete, but bleeps and beeps just as well	21:05
realitygaps_	r2d2 can stream wirelessly?	21:05
Tak	http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RMUG/~3/154350083/bluetooth-headphones-made-easy.html	21:06
czr	realitygaps_, "sure"	21:06
realitygaps_	czr: does r2 run linux i dont remember noticing?	21:06
realitygaps_	tak: thanks thats how i got it working on os2007	21:06
realitygaps_	tak: was thinking that a2dp is more supported on os2008	21:07
mgedmin	wait 2008 is the one in n810	21:07
mgedmin	?	21:07
mgedmin	gaah, too many numbers	21:07
czr	realitygaps_, everything runs linux. even linus runs linux!	21:07
realitygaps_	mgedim: yep n810 os	21:07
czr	realitygaps_, it will be released for N800 too though	21:08
realitygaps_	czr: yep im running it on n800	21:08
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czr	it's not the same thing if you mean the N810 version	21:08
* mgedmin googles maemo roadmap		21:09
realitygaps_	im running the n810 software on the n800, i figured that they are almost the same hardware so there wouldnt be much difference	21:10
mgedmin	"BT headset support" is still on the roadmap, and a3dp is not mentioned	21:10
alterego	a3dp?	21:10
alterego	I thought it was a2dp!	21:10
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* alterego runs around in confused angst		21:10
mgedmin	typo	21:10
mgedmin	a2dp is not mentioned either	21:11
* czr gives some tender caring loving to alterego		21:11
alterego	;)	21:11
mgedmin	not even a1dp...	21:11
* mgedmin hides		21:11
alterego	Woah, calm down there.	21:11
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realitygaps_	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667 was my reference for trying to get it working	21:11
alterego	Now I'm not confused .. Now I'm scared :P	21:11
czr	a2dp = A2-sized paper data-processing, like, when you solve an algorithm on a paper, but using the ISO std size of A2.	21:11
realitygaps_	:-)	21:12
czr	so a1dp would just be easier, and a5dp the ultimate hell!	21:12
mgedmin	wasn't it A2-sized desktop plotter?	21:12
mgedmin	a6dp being the pocketable version	21:12
czr	why would you want to plot on A2 sized desktops?	21:12
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alterego	a6 size dung paper ..	21:13
mgedmin	okay, digital plotter	21:13
mgedmin	for cutting out really large digits	21:13
realitygaps_away	back in a bit, gonna set up scratchbox on the other machine instead of wasting more time on the a2dp	21:13
czr	mgedmin, middle fingers?	21:13
* mgedmin hides his hands		21:13
realitygaps_away	thanks for your help guys	21:13
* czr slaps realitygaps_away with a trout for doing the nick_afk-thingy		21:13
truls	hm, so what steps of dpkg-buildpackage is responsible for moving stuff from ${DESTDIR} and into the final deb?	21:13
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truls	anything i can affect in my debian/rules?	21:14
czr	alterego, this is what happens when I wake up in the evening. chaos!	21:14
truls	(by affect i mean mess up)	21:14
Tak	dh_builddeb	21:14
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truls	that's there	21:14
truls	final step in binary-arch	21:14
alterego	czr, I've been coding the same website for the past 6 hours straight O_O	21:15
Tak	and you have the arch specified in debian/control ?	21:15
mgedmin	truls: can you pastebin your debian/rules for lazy eyeballing?	21:15
truls	Tak: no :)	21:15
czr	alterego, "coding" and "website" don't mix. unless you're doing it in ruby :-)	21:15
truls	Tak: any	21:15
czr	alterego, I've been sleeping for 4 hours :-)	21:15
alterego	czr, yes, I'm doing it in ruby :P	21:15
czr	alterego, ah, then I forgive you :-)	21:16
truls	mgedmin: sure, let me try changing the arch first	21:16
truls	Tak: what should it be?	21:16
truls	armel?	21:16
_Monkey	hmmm... armel is the new architecture	21:16
truls	heh	21:16
truls	pastebin'd: http://pastebin.com/d13eeefaf	21:18
Tak	any is correct.	21:18
Tak	for an indep package, it would be all	21:18
truls	ok	21:19
mgedmin	hmm... looks ok	21:19
mgedmin	does the package name (yaysafe) match the topmost changelog entry, and also the directory name?	21:20
truls	i must be doing something stupid....	21:20
Tak	hmm, your debian/rules looks ok to me too	21:20
truls	directory name is yaysafe-0.1.0	21:20
mgedmin	and debian/changelog?	21:20
truls	yaysafe (0.1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low	21:20
mgedmin	okay, I give up	21:20
mgedmin	if you get stuff in debian/yaysafe but not in the .deb	21:20
mgedmin	wait, is there a debian/files?	21:21
truls	maybe my armel dpkg-buildpackage is broken...	21:21
truls	no	21:21
mgedmin	hm	21:21
truls	no dirs either	21:21
truls	maybe that's it	21:21
mgedmin	no, I don't think so	21:21
truls	mgedmin: yeah i get stuff in debian/yaysafe	21:21
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mgedmin	aha!	21:22
truls	i keep getting a 2kb deb-file with just the control info and a 10 line list of contents	21:22
truls	w0t?	21:22
truls	:)	21:22
* truls listens intently		21:22
mgedmin	I think you're missing dh_install in your binary-arch:	21:22
* truls adds		21:23
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Tak	oh, haha, it's commented out	21:23
truls	didn't change anything...	21:23
mgedmin	I found the clue in the load-applet debian/rules: it installs stuff into $(CURDIR)/debian/build, and then in binary-arch: does dh_install --sourcedir=debian/build -v before dh_builddeb	21:23
mgedmin	or maybe all dh_install does there is copy stuff from debian/build to debian/$pkgname	21:24
* mgedmin not an expert		21:24
mgedmin	what does dh_installdeb do?	21:25
truls	warning, `debian/tmp/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `Maemo-Icon-26'	21:25
truls	dpkg-deb: building package `yaysafe' in `../yaysafe_0.1.0-1_armel.deb'.	21:25
truls	dpkg-deb: ignoring 1 warnings about the control file(s)	21:25
truls	that's the only warning...	21:25
truls	but that's supposed to be normal... right?	21:26
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mgedmin	okay, for dh_install you also need a debian/$pkgname.install file	21:26
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mgedmin	that lists things like 'usr/share/pixmaps/*'	21:26
* mgedmin looks for a simpler example		21:26
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truls	i dont' have one of those...	21:26
Tak	http://pastebin.com/d72fe2437	21:26
script	damn, are those maemo.org garage.maemo.org accounts _somehow_ synced?	21:28
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mgedmin	the package for less installs stuff into debian/$packagename, doesn't use dh_install, doesn't have debian/*.install, but has a debian/dirs with one entry only ("usr/bin")	21:28
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GNUton	Hi	21:30
script	... or is this whole midgard-stuff just painfully broken ...?	21:30
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truls	Tak: doesnt seem to be any changes in surprising places...	21:31
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chelli	script: i guess its the second one :)	21:31
Tak	script: yes.	21:31
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script	great ...	21:31
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guardian	good evening	21:33
script	so is there anyone here feeling responsive for those login-stuff?	21:33
czr	script, probably not right now	21:34
czr	there was a bug in the bugzilla that you could vote. dealing with general maemo.org unreliailibyt	21:34
czr	can't remeber the bug number now though	21:34
script	sound like a good thing to do :)	21:35
script	+s	21:35
konttori	isn't bt headset supported?	21:35
czr	script, you can try finding bergie as well	21:35
konttori	I thought it was.	21:35
* konttori hasn't ever even taken a look at the bt settings		21:35
bergie	script: we're trying to talk big N over so we could consolidate stuff a bit	21:36
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bergie	but now it is a bit of a mess with multiple systems, and so multiple login systems	21:36
script	bergie: ok, thanks	21:36
czr	bergie, I knew I could blame you! :-)	21:36
bergie	maybe shibboleth or something	21:36
script	bergie: but it seems that my "older" account became completly unusable on https://maemo.org	21:37
bergie	the problem is, whatever we choose we also need to get bugzilla and gforge to support	21:37
bergie	accounts are copied to maemo.org from gforge	21:37
bergie	and last weekend gforge (garage) created a completely broken user transport file	21:38
script	chelli: kann dich nicht msgen, bloedes netz ;)	21:38
bergie	so midgard thought almost all accounts had been disabled and acted accordingly :-(	21:38
script	sounds like a lot of fun ;)	21:38
chelli	script: :)	21:38
czr	script, you have to identify yourself to nickserv in order to privmsg on freenode	21:38
script	chelli: dummerweise hab ich das erst 5 minuten später gemerkt ;)	21:38
script	czr: i know ...	21:38
chelli	script: schon ok :)	21:38
czr	script, ok then.	21:38
script	i just don't like registering everywhere and everything ...	21:38
czr	script, join a bogus channel and invite chelli over then	21:39
GNUton	have somebody compiled qt4 for maemo?	21:39
mgedmin	openid is supposed to fix the reregistering problem, only few websites accept it...	21:39
czr	bleh. sbox segfaulted again	21:42
alterego	Heh	21:43
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czr	I think there's a race with signal handling or something	21:44
czr	something fishy happens. mostly hit the bug when starting something on the background & with run-standalone or doing ctrl+z & bg	21:44
bergie	mgedmin: openid is a second option if shibboleth can't be made to work. Midgard already supports it	21:44
czr	also, noticed that dbus-monitor at least has an issue with signal handling as well. it can't be broken with ctrl+c	21:44
* mgedmin googles shibboleth		21:46
* czr kicks scratchbox		21:46
_berto_	solmumaha: are you there?	21:48
truls	weird... i can build the package manually using dpkg-deb	21:49
truls	i just wonder what parameters dpkg-buildpackages calls dpkg-deb with..	21:49
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truls	hm, calling dh_builddeb manually also works..	21:50
truls	w0t	21:51
truls	now dpkg-buildpackage works too...	21:51
truls	with no actual changes...	21:51
Tak	hooray!	21:51
truls	maybe some temporary files somewhere borked everything...	21:51
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czr	truls, it was tak	21:53
truls	heh	21:53
czr	truls, he broke your build	21:53
* czr is pretty certain		21:53
* Tak rm -rf ~tak && logout		21:53
Tak	I don't even exist; it couldn't have been me.	21:54
truls	all i have to do now is fix the menu-launcher, and i'm set!	21:54
tuxthepenguin	I'd like etags and emacs installed under X86 scratchbox - but if I add the standard bora repositories to the end of /etc/apt/sources.list I notice, it wants to remove at least one hildon package and install and upgrade a bunch of others - anyone know if it's ok to do this or whether it's the wrong approach and I should use some other repository to get these?	21:54
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czr	don't be so westernly limiting in your thought-patterns. you don't exist but it still could've been you :-)	21:54
lardman	is maemo.org down?	21:54
K`zan	No, it just responds *****SLOWLY***** :-)	21:55
mgedmin	works here	21:55
czr	"it chooses the clients it responds to"	21:55
K`zan	LOL	21:55
lardman	:-p	21:55
K`zan	Must...	21:55
alterego	maemo.org would be a good source of entropy czr	21:55
K`zan	Works better in the middle of the night here on the west coast USA...	21:55
lardman	can someone tell the the algorithm in this?: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-August/001782.html	21:55
czr	alterego, heh, true that	21:56
mgedmin	niteOwl: do you have the latest bora SDK installed in your scratchbox? if not, then I'd suspect it wants to upgrade	21:56
truls	yay, and the blowfish also works from python now on the n800!	21:56
truls	yay	21:56
czr	alterego, although I'm slightly worried about the "non-predictable" part. so far maemo.org is pretty predictable ;-)	21:56
czr	it normally fails after finnish office hours	21:56
alterego	Heh	21:56
_berto_	anyone with a 770 with OS2006 here?	21:56
zs	_berto_: upgrade to 2007 ;P	21:57
truls	i guess i just don't understand the format of the debian/<program>.links file	21:57
czr	lardman, it doesn't open. that's the algorithm :-)	21:57
czr	truls, why do you use links?	21:58
truls	right now i'm using:	21:58
truls	/usr/share/applications/hildon/yaysafe.desktop etc/others-menu/extra_applications/0112_yaysafe.desktop	21:58
czr	truls, noo	21:58
truls	czr: to get on the menu	21:58
truls	really?	21:58
czr	truls, forget about that file.	21:58
truls	no?	21:58
_berto_	zs: no, I don't have one :D it's to debug a problem that someone else found in that device	21:58
czr	truls, yes	21:58
truls	woo	21:58
* truls forgets		21:58
truls	so how?	21:58
_Monkey	so how are things?	21:58
czr	truls, it's not required. infact, it's brain damage	21:58
truls	nice	21:58
czr	truls, just put your desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon/	21:58
czr	it will appear under extras by default	21:58
truls	really?	21:58
czr	yes	21:58
czr	the maemo.org howtos (4.0) contain a lot of really obsolete stuff	21:59
truls	so maybe the problem is in my desktop-file	21:59
* truls is on 3.0		21:59
czr	ahh.	21:59
czr	not sure whether you need the links there. my bad	21:59
czr	you don't in 3.2 at least	21:59
mgedmin	fwiw the examples in dh_link(1) imply that you should be using usr/share/... etc, without the leading /	21:59
truls	ok	21:59
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truls	so how to debug taht my application doesnt start when clicking the link?	22:02
czr	bleh. crashed sbox again	22:02
truls	Exec=/usr/bin/yaysafe.py	22:02
truls	and typing /usr/bin/yaysafe.py in the shell works perfectly	22:03
czr	truls, what are you testing on?	22:03
truls	n800	22:03
truls	on the device	22:03
czr	if you run run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/yaysafe.py on the device?	22:03
czr	also, does yaysafe invoke libosso?	22:03
truls	ah, no	22:03
truls	doh	22:03
czr	which one?	22:03
truls	last one	22:04
_Monkey	hmmm... last one is "save"	22:04
czr	truls, first one works?	22:04
truls	yes	22:04
czr	truls, the prog runs without params?	22:04
truls	yes	22:04
czr	you get the icon in the task navigator?	22:04
truls	it requires knowing sys.argv[0] though	22:04
czr	ah	22:04
truls	i don't know if that's a problem	22:04
czr	it could be	22:05
truls	no icon when running from menu	22:05
czr	not sure really. but relying on that is not good.	22:05
truls	jsut the "loading..."	22:05
truls	shy?	22:05
truls	why?	22:05
czr	truls, I mean do you get the app in the extras menu or not?	22:05
truls	you have to rely on it quite alot of times	22:05
truls	yes, it's in the menu	22:05
czr	ok.	22:05
truls	that's where i'm having trouble running it from	22:05
czr	right	22:06
czr	did you install the service file?	22:06
czr	or what's your .desktop like?	22:07
czr	you need both	22:07
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truls	i have both	22:09
truls	i can pastebin them	22:09
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czr	pastebin away. brb (smoke)	22:10
truls	http://pastebin.com/m221b13ff	22:10
inz	how long does it take to start up?	22:11
_berto_	solmumaha: when you're back please try this and tell me what happens -> http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.3test-1N770_armel.deb	22:11
inz	And does it register the net.tangstad.yaysafe name?	22:11
niteOwl	mgedmin: I think so - It's 3.2 Maemo SDK - and I don't want to jump to chinook yet. I am targeting the N800	22:11
mgedmin	apt-get upgrade with 'bora' in the sources list won't upgrade to chinook	22:12
mgedmin	don't know why it wants to remove hildon packages, though	22:12
truls	inz: it gives up after 15 seconds	22:12
niteOwl	just one package from hildon	22:12
niteOwl	it want to remove hildon-status-bar-lib-dev	22:13
inz	truls, I meant how long does it take to start when you run it from terminal	22:13
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niteOwl	oops and more...one sec	22:13
inz	truls, if it takes more than two(?) seconds for the program to register the name in system(?) bus, the bus daemon will terminate your program	22:14
niteOwl	it wants to remove 6 hildon pkgs and several osso, etc	22:14
niteOwl	It wants to do: 37 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 70 to remove and 207 not upgraded.	22:14
truls	about 2-3 seconds	22:14
truls	it's python after all...	22:14
niteOwl	seems a bit much to me	22:14
czr	truls, remove the x-osso-type line	22:15
inz	truls, well then, it might just be that the program gets terminated before it is shown	22:15
czr	truls, and modify X-Osso-Service=net.tangstad.yaysafe	22:15
truls	to what?	22:15
czr	otherwise it will get incorrect name. and you need to register the name (either via python dbus) or use libosso	22:16
czr	truls, to what I wrote	22:16
truls	inz: none of the python-code is run	22:16
czr	from just yaysage	22:16
czr	safe even	22:16
czr	truls, also, version is wrong I think	22:16
czr	in desktop-file	22:16
truls	but the python-code never gets started though	22:16
truls	(i had it write to file, so i could tell)	22:17
czr	fix the version	22:17
niteOwl	ahh I see: I chose the ubuntu repository - of course it wanted to remove unknowns like hildon. I need a better repository aimed at maemo folks - Right now I have deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free	22:17
konttori	did you try to make install package with pypackager?	22:17
niteOwl	apparently it does not contain emacs though :-(	22:17
konttori	It should help you make all you need easily.	22:17
truls	czr: what should it be?	22:17
czr	truls, 1.0	22:18
czr	truls, it gives the version of the desktop file. not your app	22:18
truls	it's not the version of my program?	22:18
czr	no.	22:18
truls	according to the howto, it's the application version	22:18
mgedmin	niteOwl: why don't you do your emacsing from outside scratchbox?	22:18
czr	the howto is wrong then	22:18
truls	heh, ok	22:19
mgedmin	niteOwl: symlink ~/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/users/USERNAME/home/USERNAME for extra convenience	22:19
czr	truls, tell me how it goes	22:22
truls	czr: changing version didn't change anything	22:22
czr	repost your files on pastebin	22:22
czr	truls, also, which directory do you install your service file into?	22:22
truls	just changed version up until now	22:22
czr	did you reinstall the file?	22:22
czr	or just modified it in place?	22:23
truls	/usr/share/dbus-1/services/	22:23
truls	reinstalled	22:23
czr	ok. do the other changes and repost the files	22:23
truls	does it have to be com.nokia....?	22:24
czr	no	22:24
czr	I told you what to put there.	22:24
truls	yay, that fixed it, thanks	22:26
truls	so the problem was the names in the service and the desktop-files didn't match then	22:26
* czr nods		22:27
czr	you'll still have to register the name from your app	22:27
truls	which also differs from what the howto says	22:27
czr	otherwise the application killer will kill your process	22:27
truls	yeah	22:27
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czr	truls, you should file bugs against the howto	22:27
czr	maybe some day they will get fixed	22:27
truls	will do	22:28
truls	should get some sleep though, 5.30am	22:28
czr	that's not an excuse :-)	22:28
truls	heh	22:28
czr	"do it for me"	22:28
czr	or just ignore it. I don't care :-)	22:29
truls	i would do it now, but bugzilla forces me to register	22:29
czr	indeed it does	22:29
truls	which is just evil for reporting bugs	22:29
truls	imho	22:29
czr	indeed it is	22:29
czr	but evil is the way of the land :-)	22:29
* truls just moved to that other land, to get away from evil		22:30
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truls	yay, everything seems to work now though, application staying up and everything	22:31
truls	czr: thanks	22:31
czr	truls, np.	22:31
* czr emulates viagra for maemo apps		22:32
czr	"want your app to start and stay up? ask czr"	22:32
* truls realized python is a memory hog		22:32
Thana64	is BORA the lastest version ?	22:32
Thana64	"stable release"	22:33
czr	truls, depends on how you calculate memory usage. but generally yes	22:33
czr	Thana64, no. 4.0 is the latest version	22:33
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czr	Thana64, however, you cannot run applications built with 4.0 on OS2007	22:33
_berto_	solmumaha: so you tried it?	22:33
czr	Thana64, you need OS2008 to run 4.0 apps	22:33
Thana64	czr, yes, ok, that's "chinook" correct ? and has very applications exported to it ?	22:35
Thana64	czr, btw, what is the aprox. delay for every maemo release ?	22:35
czr	Thana64, that is chinook, correct.	22:35
czr	"and has very applications exported to it" = does not compute	22:36
Thana64	where i download it ?	22:36
czr	I don't know about the delays	22:36
czr	Thana64, maemo.org contains the scripts that do the downloading and installing for you	22:36
Thana64	sorry for my english, i mean that my GF has very applications installed (abiword, etc), and i want that she have the same for can work in the university with the n800, i mean if there are a good number of applications ported to 4.0 (extra repositories, not official maemo)	22:37
czr	Thana64, not many applications have been ported to 4.0	22:38
czr	since most people are waiting for their N810 or getting OS2008 for N800	22:38
czr	Thana64, I'd wait if I was you	22:38
solmumaha	_berto_: still no images	22:38
_berto_	can you run it from an xterm?	22:39
_berto_	same output?	22:39
solmumaha	yes	22:39
lopz	re	22:40
_berto_	that means that loading the image doesn't fail	22:40
_berto_	and can you see the icon in the about dialog?	22:40
solmumaha	yes	22:41
_berto_	that's very strange, I don't know why it doesn't work	22:41
_berto_	hmmm	22:41
solmumaha	happens with a friend too so it's not just my device	22:43
Thana64	czr, ok, well, i can install it to the real n800 system (she are working from the system on the mmc) and see	22:43
_berto_	maybe I should set gtk-button-images to true, I'll try now ...	22:43
czr	Thana64, OS2008 for N800 is not out yet	22:43
_berto_	yes, another guy told me the same	22:43
Thana64	oh, is not released ?	22:44
czr	Thana64, it's not.	22:44
Thana64	the other day i have tried to install minibro and i think that it has wanted to upgrade the system first, or something	22:44
* czr does not know minibro		22:44
czr	like a regular brother, but only smaller?	22:44
Tak	boo	22:45
* czr hides Tak into the backroom		22:45
Thana64	lol	22:46
Thana64	there' the ppl has tell me that opera is died and there's a new one for maemo	22:46
czr	microb	22:47
_Monkey	microb is probably the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)	22:47
czr	Thana64, microb is the browser engine on OS2008	22:47
_berto_	solmumaha: I'm building a package, I'll tell you in 5 minutes	22:47
Thana64	that, microb, sorry :)	22:47
solmumaha	k	22:47
keesj	hmm php disabled on garage?	22:47
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Thana64	czr, when OS2008 can be out then ? btw is more light the graphical system (aparently it eat good ram/cpu)	22:48
czr	Thana64, OS2008 for N810 is out. OS2008 for N800 is not. yet. I don't know when.	22:49
Thana64	i can only use chinook for n810 ??	22:49
Thana64	on*	22:49
czr	you use chinook to develop applications for OS2008.	22:49
czr	but for now, yes.	22:49
Thana64	yes, i have the SDK installed on my system	22:49
czr	since there is no OS2008 for N800 yet.	22:49
Thana64	hurmf :/	22:50
czr	Thana64, it's not my fault :-)	22:50
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Thana64	yes, of course	22:50
Tak	actually it is czr's fault	22:50
* czr hides & runs		22:50
czr	nooo	22:50
Thana64	i have just wanted to upgrade the system... and have this f**** browser working with google services (i can't pick in any part)	22:51
* czr calls his cousins vanja and igor to go educate tak in the backroom		22:51
_berto_	solmumaha: http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.3test-1N770_armel.deb	22:51
_berto_	try again	22:51
X-Fade	Thana64: Why don't you just install microb for OS2007?	22:51
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Thana64	czr, i have used wildcards :) that can be "frikin'" :)	22:51
* Tak watches US DHS escort Vanja and Igor to Guantanemo for some waterboarding		22:51
X-Fade	Thana64: That is the same browser as 2008.	22:51
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czr	Thana64, or foolz	22:52
Thana64	X-Fade, my GF has try that and has tell me that the webpage wants to upgrade the system	22:52
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X-Fade	Thana64: Don't believe her then..	22:52
Thana64	maybe i need to make a better look	22:52
X-Fade	Thana64: Good idea ;)	22:52
Thana64	btw, what i do now with the chinook SDK if i can't use my packages to my actual system ?	22:53
Thana64	install the SDK of bora ?	22:53
Tak	gaze wistfully at it	22:53
X-Fade	Test in sdk?	22:53
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X-Fade	Hope that they release OS2008 soon? :)	22:53
X-Fade	Friday is comming up again :D	22:53
solmumaha	_berto_: no :(	22:54
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* alterego yawns. This website is taking forever.		22:54
_berto_	then I don't know what's happening :?	22:54
alterego	I don't like making websites :(	22:54
czr	X-Fade, you say that every wednesday! :-)	22:54
_berto_	I can use stock buttons instead but they won't look so nice	22:54
X-Fade	czr: :)	22:54
X-Fade	czr: It is a fact that a lot of releases have been on friday. But to find out which is the right one, that is hard..	22:55
_berto_	solmumaha: in version 0.2 what did you see in the buttons? icon? text? both things?	22:55
* alterego develops a universal message system for the web app. From now on known as "UNI-MESS".		22:56
czr	X-Fade, I know. I think it's the two least significant bits of the week number. those are significant	22:56
czr	although I haven't quite figured out the exact rule	22:56
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czr	oh yes, and my formula also factors in the position of the moon	22:56
X-Fade	czr: It would take a lot of the fun away ;)	22:57
czr	yes. you know me. always going for max fun.	22:57
* czr grumbles and continues working on the material update..		22:57
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solmumaha	_berto_: 0.2 worked the same on both	22:58
_berto_	I mean, did you see an icon in all buttons, or a text, or what?	22:58
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solmumaha	icons	22:59
_berto_	and no text?	22:59
solmumaha	iirc :)	22:59
_berto_	ok	22:59
czr	iCons	22:59
_berto_	so I'll try again	22:59
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_berto_	solmumaha: http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/vagalume_0.3test-1N770_armel.deb	23:05
_berto_	try again	23:05
_berto_	this one should workd	23:05
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Jaffa	Everyone seen the thread on ITT that the latest N810 release date according to NokiaUSA.com (where USian device programme codes would have to be used, AIUI) is 19-Dec-2007. Fun.	23:08
elb	I hope that's incorrect	23:09
elb	since I leave the country on the 18th :-(	23:09
czr	heh	23:09
czr	I leave on 12th :-)	23:09
solmumaha	_berto_: nope	23:10
_berto_	doesn't work??	23:10
_berto_	ok, last try	23:10
Tak	aww, I don't get to leave the country until July :-(	23:11
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chx	aside from datavis.com is the N810 in stock anywhere?	23:12
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czr	Tak, I can make you leave earlier if you want to	23:15
Tak	sweet	23:15
czr	:-)	23:15
* czr works for Involuntary Travels Corp		23:16
_berto_	solmumaha: ok, try again	23:16
_berto_	:)	23:16
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angelr	Nokia store in nyc have a decent amounts of N810s	23:17
solmumaha	_berto_: small icons and text	23:19
_berto_	and the text says 'YES' and 'NO' for love and ban, I guess	23:20
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czr	"Are you sure you want love?" YES/NO	23:20
_berto_	now all 5 icons are stock icons	23:21
_berto_	and I chosse GTK_STOCK_YES and GTK_STOCK_NO for love and ban	23:21
_berto_	but I don't know why does icons appear	23:21
_berto_	however if I set them with gtk_button_set_image they don't	23:21
* alterego blames czr for the N810 drought		23:23
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czr	yes. I'm stockpiling them	23:23
alterego	Just as I suspected!	23:23
* czr is doing a DDOS on all geeks		23:23
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mariorz	anyone using some kewl splash screens you wanna link :P	23:29
p\|	re	23:29
\|R	excellent news, a Proactive Auto Assignement plugin for OLSR is to be released on SF asap :)	23:29
czr	mariorz, what if you google for "kewl splash screens"? :-)	23:29
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mariorz	czr: i could and check otu devianart.com take out the gimp do the resizing etc..., was thiking maybe someone already did that :)	23:30
czr	mariorz, indeed you could. you could do an app like that. one that would also warn about incorrect usage wrt copyrights etc :-)	23:31
mariorz	heh	23:32
l7	hey, what is the best podcast syncing program for IT2007 or 2008?	23:32
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czr	hmm. weird	23:33
czr	my N800 just spontanously rebooted	23:33
czr	(running OS2008, int release)	23:33
czr	I've seen this happening now on both N800 and N810	23:34
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inz	czr, what is the bootreason?	23:34
czr	inz, where can I find it?	23:34
inz	czr, err... I'll have to check	23:35
czr	inz, do tell :_)	23:35
czr	:-) even	23:35
czr	/proc/bootreason :-)	23:35
czr	inz, "32wd_to"	23:35
inz	Hmm, was that the hardware watchdog...	23:35
czr	looks like watchdog timeout	23:35
czr	yup	23:35
czr	the device wasn't running anything. connected to AC	23:36
czr	been like that for at least 2-3 days	23:36
czr	I've not even ssh:d into it	23:36
czr	hmm. I wonder whether and where I should report this	23:37
czr	and what would be the use really.	23:37
K`zan	Nokia-N800-39:~# cat /proc/bootreason	23:38
K`zan	charger	23:38
K`zan	Interesting...	23:38
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czr	I wonder if these are documented anywhere	23:39
czr	like in public.	23:39
inz	K`zan, it means that you plugged in the charger when the device was powered off	23:41
czr	inz, any ideas on whether and where I should report this?	23:41
K`zan	Probably, but plugging in the charger makes it boot?!?	23:41
czr	doesn't seem like there's a lot of data to go with the report though. but still.	23:41
inz	czr, it doesn't say reboot, only boot	23:41
K`zan	Not that it will be off much :).	23:42
czr	inz, hmm?	23:42
inz	oops, wrong nick	23:42
inz	Again	23:42
K`zan	Gotcha :)	23:42
* czr teaches inz how to spell czr		23:42
inz	czr, your nick was much easier to type than K`zan's ;)	23:42
K`zan	Next week I learn to type :)	23:42
_berto_	solmumaha: ok, I reproduced the problem with SDK 2, I'll work on it	23:42
czr	inz, I know!	23:42
czr	:-)	23:42
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czr	normally cztab is enough.	23:42
czr	unless I hang around some dubious channels	23:43
inz	czr, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/reportingrebootissues/	23:43
inz	czr, I meant to paste you that and then I was interrupted	23:43
czr	inz, ah, cool. didn't know there was a doc like that	23:43
alterego	I can see the end of this project!	23:44
alterego	This is the last leg me feels.	23:44
czr	alterego, you've discovered the wonderful world of heroin?	23:44
alterego	Heh	23:44
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czr	hmm. what's the lifeguard_restarts useful for?	23:45
czr	it tracks how many times each application has gone berserk?	23:45
alterego	I've not heard of it.	23:45
czr	alterego, /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts	23:46
alterego	Interesting.	23:46
czr	hmm. I'll see what the N810 says	23:46
czr	spontanous reboots tend to be quite irritating to me	23:46
_berto_	solmumaha: I think I found it	23:47
alterego	After the work I've done this week. I deserve this weekend (goin' camping):)	23:47
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_berto_	solmumaha: are you there?	23:50
_berto_	czr: you have a 770 too, right?	23:50
czr	_berto_, yes	23:50
czr	but I haven't booted it in ages	23:50
_berto_	i'm building new packages, I think I fixed the problem	23:50
_berto_	ahm, ok	23:50
czr	_berto_, what are you building?	23:50
_berto_	I thought you were using vagalume on the 770 too	23:51
_berto_	sorry	23:51
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czr	oh. not me :-)	23:51
czr	_Monkey, vagalume?	23:51
_Monkey	i haven't a clue, czr	23:51
czr	aww. I vaguely remember asking someone about it. what is it again _berto_ ?	23:51
_berto_	a last.fm player for maemo	23:52
czr	ah yes. that was it.	23:52
czr	I might try it out if I ever decide to get an N800/N810	23:52
czr	or decide to use the 770 for anything. I'll wait for 2008HE for it though	23:52
_berto_	the fact is that I was debugging a problem that only appears in the 770	23:53
_berto_	that's why I needed help	23:53
_berto_	I'll wait for solmumaha to come back	23:53
czr	ah. I see now. I've helped but my 770 is not running anything useful probably	23:54
_berto_	don't worry :)	23:54
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_berto_	solmumaha: install the package again once you're back	23:55
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