| czr | I think it was a seriously good decision from google | 00:00 |
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| pc_speaker1849 | $275,000 to the first guy who manages to run doom :) | 00:00 |
| kaltsi | too late, there was a demo already running quake.. | 00:00 |
| *** pc_speaker1849 is now known as pc_speaker | 00:00 | |
| czr | "The API used to access the 3D capabilities of the platform is the OpenGL ES API." | 00:01 |
| kaltsi | well ok not doom.. | 00:01 |
| db48x | czr: cool | 00:01 |
| czr | I think so too | 00:01 |
| czr | it's used for the GUI composition as well | 00:01 |
| pc_speaker | So mobile google earth possible :) | 00:01 |
| pc_speaker | And no problem with fancy 3d games... | 00:02 |
| czr | sure. there's an api for google map stuff as well | 00:02 |
| pc_speaker | BTW are there some 3d games for N800? | 00:02 |
| czr | pc_speaker, it will depend on the phone in question though | 00:02 |
| czr | pc_speaker, no | 00:02 |
| timeless | what's a 3d game? | 00:02 |
| tigert | pc_speaker: there are no 3d drivers | 00:02 |
| czr | or rather, yes, but not what you mean probably | 00:02 |
| pc_speaker | Besides quake :) | 00:02 |
| lardman|away | pc_speaker: there's doom & quake | 00:02 |
| tigert | and well, for gaming you want a psp | 00:02 |
| pc_speaker | I tryed PSP too... | 00:03 |
| timeless | input methods so far for nokia products are lacking | 00:03 |
| timeless | at least for gaming | 00:03 |
| czr | damn. even their sw stack graph looks much sexier than the ones in maemo ;-) | 00:03 |
| timeless | czr: url? | 00:03 |
| czr | timeless, http://code.google.com/android/images/system-architecture.png | 00:03 |
| pc_speaker | I'll try to run Wolfenstein 3D in the DosBox :))) | 00:03 |
| pc_speaker | And follout too... | 00:03 |
| tigert | czr: hey, nothing looks more sexy than the gnome mobile and embedded graph | 00:04 |
| tigert | !! | 00:04 |
| tigert | :) | 00:04 |
| pc_speaker | But I think fallout won't work well... | 00:04 |
| timeless | interesting | 00:04 |
| timeless | webkit is listed as a library | 00:04 |
| czr | tigert, well. it is also sexy. but I rather like the "information comes first" approach of the android one :-) | 00:04 |
| shackan | tigert: true! (you did it? :)) | 00:04 |
| tigert | shackan: :) | 00:04 |
| czr | timeless, the stock browser will be webkit | 00:05 |
| czr | timeless, I guess the idea is that you can either use a completely different one, or one that uses webkit | 00:05 |
| czr | maybe. /me shrugs | 00:05 |
| daniels | tigert: well, i'll grab you one day in the office, or i can have people rock around here for random shenanigans. i'll let you know when, but i guess not soon, given that you're probably tukholmalle, and i'm away this weekend (funnily enough, tukholmassa). | 00:05 |
| tigert | man, I need to go to a conference soon again | 00:05 |
| tigert | too long since | 00:05 |
| shackan | holy shit, do I read "binder (IPC) driver" ? | 00:05 |
| shackan | are they using openbinder?? | 00:05 |
| czr | shackan, what is it? | 00:05 |
| pc_speaker | Webkit is good for mobile devices since it has small footprint... | 00:05 |
| daniels | tigert: i assume tukholma{lle,ssa} can't possibly be right ... | 00:05 |
| tigert | daniels: yes, tukholmaan, mutta ei pois laivasta | 00:06 |
| pc_speaker | And where is the webkit for N800? | 00:06 |
| timeless | pc_speaker: *cough* | 00:06 |
| timeless | what do you know about web browsers? | 00:06 |
| daniels | tigert: ah, tukholmaan/tukholmas[st]a? | 00:06 |
| tigert | tukholmalle is wrong, tukholmaan is right | 00:06 |
| shackan | czr: a component based ipc system, cool stuff | 00:06 |
| timeless | what makes you an expert? | 00:06 |
| tigert | daniels: gotcha! | 00:06 |
| _Monkey | i think gotcha is you have to patch the system fonts | 00:06 |
| czr | shackan, url? | 00:06 |
| daniels | tigert: ah, noniin :) didn't know you could do -an as well | 00:06 |
| timeless | _monkey forget gotcha | 00:06 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot gotcha | 00:06 |
| czr | and why is it part of the kernel? :-) | 00:06 |
| timeless | _monkey gotcha is <reply> | 00:06 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 00:06 |
| daniels | tigert: only -in, e.g. hki:in | 00:06 |
| pc_speaker | http://www.habrahabr.ru/pictures/00/00/00/08/80/picture_3.png | 00:07 |
| czr | timeless, "LibWebCore - a modern web browser engine which powers both the Android browser and an embeddable web view" | 00:07 |
| tigert | daniels: dont ask me about finnish grammar | 00:07 |
| {abo} | Curious, what's tukholmaan? | 00:07 |
| tigert | daniels: it is insane | 00:07 |
| tigert | daniels: I just don't know | 00:07 |
| tigert | I just know how things are but I have no idea why | 00:07 |
| czr | abo, "into/to stockholm" | 00:07 |
| tigert | :/ | 00:07 |
| timeless | czr: the system-architecture graph is sufficient | 00:08 |
| {abo} | Thought so :) | 00:08 |
| shackan | timeless: I know shit about browsers too, but Alp Toker told me the other day webkit used one third of the memory of firefox in some tests (by kde people) | 00:08 |
| * {abo} is in Stockholm... | 00:08 | |
| czr | timeless, yup | 00:08 |
| timeless | shackan: that's nice | 00:08 |
| skiburr | anybody here like angle drawings? | 00:08 |
| timeless | kinda useless | 00:08 |
| timeless | there are many possible tests | 00:08 |
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| timeless | i'm sure i could show you tests for just about anything | 00:08 |
| skiburr | angel | 00:08 |
| skiburr | sorry | 00:09 |
| db48x | angles are nice | 00:09 |
| shackan | timeless: well, that, and the fact that I have to kill firefox a couple of times a day to free some memory :) | 00:09 |
| timeless | ... | 00:09 |
| timeless | that makes you an expert? | 00:09 |
| daniels | tigert: yeah, native speakers usually only have a tenuous grasp of their own grammar, but for a huge table of special cases | 00:09 |
| {abo} | Buffy was cool too :) | 00:09 |
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| skiburr | I have a drawing that I could never find on the net anymore | 00:09 |
| skiburr | :( | 00:09 |
| shackan | timeless: <shackan> timeless: I know shit about browsers too | 00:10 |
| shackan | see ? | 00:10 |
| _Monkey | i think see is only really good at interfacing with hardware. | 00:10 |
| timeless | _monkey forget see | 00:10 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot see | 00:10 |
| timeless | _monkey see is <reply> | 00:10 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 00:10 |
| alterego | If I was going to do something with android .. | 00:10 |
| alterego | I'd not use Java. | 00:10 |
| alterego | I'd port Ruby ^_^ | 00:10 |
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| shackan | not saying I'm an expert or anything | 00:10 |
| db48x | yea, java is boring | 00:10 |
| czr | alterego, I think you can | 00:11 |
| czr | the primary SDK is for java though | 00:11 |
| shackan | alterego: except many ARM cpus can execute java bytecode natively | 00:11 |
| czr | the base libs are in C though. | 00:11 |
| timeless | maemo: including the n800's | 00:11 |
| timeless | too bad there's no binding for it | 00:11 |
| shackan | right | 00:11 |
| pc_speaker | "CTO Jean-Charles Verdie was kind enough to answer my email and highlighted a number of reasons why they went for the Webkit engine rather than Mozilla engine. | 00:11 |
| pc_speaker | * The licensing model | 00:11 |
| pc_speaker | * Footprint and CPU usage | 00:11 |
| pc_speaker | * A clean source organisation which helped in fast porting. | 00:11 |
| pc_speaker | * A better standard support (acid2, ...) | 00:11 |
| pc_speaker | * Benchmarks on low powered machines reported better performances at the time we began (Mozilla has improved its results since that time)" | 00:11 |
| alterego | shackan, that's good. I can compile ruby into JVM bytecode :P | 00:11 |
| shackan | not, yet :) | 00:11 |
| pc_speaker | Sorry for long message :) | 00:11 |
| shackan | pc_speaker: argh! | 00:11 |
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| czr | alterego, the bytecode is slightly non-standard on the android I think | 00:12 |
| {abo} | So, what's the wordon Maemo/Android synthesis? | 00:12 |
| czr | or maybe I misunderstood something. just causally browsing through the docs | 00:12 |
| tigert | daniels: ye | 00:12 |
| tigert | ah | 00:12 |
| czr | abo, you mean Maeroid? | 00:12 |
| alterego | czr, yeah someone was saying that earlier .. Was that you? ^_^ | 00:12 |
| czr | alterego, I'm not confessing to anything :-) | 00:12 |
| {abo} | czr: Oh, there's a name for it even? :) | 00:12 |
| czr | abo, there could be ;-) | 00:13 |
| alterego | What has Maemo got to do with Android? | 00:13 |
| czr | abo, I have no idea. | 00:13 |
| alterego | Why do people keep asking about some crappy hybrid? | 00:13 |
| czr | Maeroid just sounded like a sufficiently bad name for a project like that. | 00:13 |
| alterego | Want a crappy hybrid? DO IT! ^_^ | 00:13 |
| alterego | Haemoriod | 00:13 |
| czr | yes | 00:13 |
| czr | that was the inspiration for it. | 00:13 |
| shackan | tigert: is it possible to have the os2008 theme without waiting until december? (when os2008 comes out) | 00:13 |
| {abo} | alterego: If you have a device that rund one, you could easily get the idea that it might be useful to be able to run the apps for the other one. | 00:13 |
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| * timeless shrugs | 00:14 | |
| alterego | {abo}, do it | 00:14 |
| timeless | not worth effort | 00:14 |
| {abo} | alterego: Sure. :) | 00:14 |
| * fysabye test | 00:14 | |
| * db48x tries to figure out why his scratchbox doesn't have libidl | 00:15 | |
| alterego | Why not just program in Ruby and it'll run on both devices. | 00:15 |
| pc_speaker | http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/wiki/OwbN800 -- anyone tryed this? | 00:15 |
| czr | ah. transparency is one of the elements I see: http://code.google.com/android/reference/view-gallery.html | 00:15 |
| alterego | You just need to make custom UI and interface with the system. | 00:15 |
| timeless | pc_speaker: fwiw, gecko supports acid2 | 00:15 |
| * {abo} shrugs | 00:15 | |
| timeless | so people making posts about acid2 are usually clueless | 00:15 |
| tigert | shackan: the theme wont work with current os :( | 00:15 |
| pc_speaker | Latest builds of gecko you mean? | 00:15 |
| tigert | shackan: since it relies a lot on the transparency stuff etc that will be in 2008 | 00:16 |
| tigert | though you can get that stuff from sardine already | 00:16 |
| timeless | gecko is gecko | 00:16 |
| timeless | i'm not talking about a 2 or 3 year old gecko | 00:16 |
| pc_speaker | Because my current firefox 2.0.0.9 broke the acid2 test... | 00:16 |
| timeless | what's the point? | 00:16 |
| _Monkey | the point is to make the user happy | 00:16 |
| tigert | but unfortunately the theme is not free, as it is official product theme | 00:16 |
| timeless | most people don't talk about 2 or 3 year old webkits | 00:16 |
| timeless | _monkey forget point | 00:16 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot point | 00:16 |
| timeless | _monkey forget the point | 00:16 |
| _Monkey | timeless, I didn't have anything matching point | 00:16 |
| timeless | _monkey point is <reply> | 00:16 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 00:16 |
| tigert | shackan: but I might have time for an update for plankton at some point | 00:16 |
| tigert | to do the transparency stuff | 00:17 |
| Solarion | tigert! | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | tigert is totally confused :-) | 00:17 |
| db48x | timeless: out of curiosity, why the <reply> bit? | 00:17 |
| tigert | maybe I am :) | 00:17 |
| timeless | _monkey forget tigert | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot tigert | 00:17 |
| db48x | heh | 00:17 |
| timeless | _monkey tigert is <reply> | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 00:17 |
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| tigert | _Monkey: you suck :/ | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | tigert: excuse me? | 00:17 |
| timeless | _monkey tigert is something | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | ...but tigert is <reply>... | 00:17 |
| tigert | _Monkey: you suck. | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | tigert: huh? | 00:17 |
| timeless | it's afiller | 00:17 |
| tigert | :) | 00:17 |
| ||cw | what does <reply> do | 00:17 |
| timeless | _monkey s s is <reply> ! | 00:17 |
| tko | _Monkey is stupid.. | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 00:17 |
| timeless | _monkey s s? | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | ! | 00:17 |
| db48x | timeless: oh, just so it doesn't pick up some new pointless thing? | 00:17 |
| timeless | it replies with empty | 00:18 |
| tigert | _Monkey is mostly annoying | 00:18 |
| timeless | yes | 00:18 |
| timeless | _monkey forget s s | 00:18 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot s s | 00:18 |
| timeless | i.e., it's filler | 00:18 |
| shackan | tigert: woot! :) | 00:18 |
| elb | boo infobots | 00:18 |
| tigert | Solarion: ? | 00:18 |
| alterego | This is getting kind of retarded .. | 00:18 |
| tigert | shackan: so unfortunately the 2008 theme is not free, but at least it looks pretty sweet | 00:18 |
| tigert | it relies a lot on the wallpaper though | 00:19 |
| alterego | free? | 00:19 |
| tigert | and we are going to post some wallpapers made from our photos etc for the community once the theme is out | 00:19 |
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| alterego | Crap .. Those eee's are going pretty quick. | 00:20 |
| tigert | eee? | 00:20 |
| _Monkey | eee is, like, the Asus Eee PC is a tiny, cheap, Linux-powered x86 laptop: http://eeepc.asus.com/ | 00:20 |
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| Solarion | tigert: hi | 00:20 |
| _Monkey | what's up, Solarion | 00:20 |
| db48x | wow, he was useful | 00:20 |
| * alterego starts shaking. | 00:20 | |
| Solarion | _Monkey: how goes? | 00:20 |
| _Monkey | solarion: i don't know | 00:21 |
| alterego | Should I buy one. | 00:21 |
| alterego | There's only 6 left. | 00:21 |
| tigert | db48x: I was just thinking of the same | 00:21 |
| Solarion | tigert: seen you around #gnome-hackers. :) | 00:21 |
| _Monkey | I haven't seen 'you', Solarion | 00:21 |
| tigert | Solarion: yeah | 00:21 |
| db48x | haha | 00:21 |
| tigert | I should join #g-h again | 00:21 |
| alterego | Neah, I'll wait for the next revision. | 00:21 |
| tigert | but gimpnet keeps kicking me out from the server | 00:21 |
| czr | you're not gimpy enough? | 00:21 |
| tigert | I am | 00:21 |
| tigert | but I am lazy too :) | 00:22 |
| czr | hmm. maybe your ISP is not gimpy enough :-) | 00:22 |
| tigert | maybe | 00:22 |
| * Solarion goes back to pulling up floor | 00:22 | |
| alterego | The battery life is supposed to improve in the next revision,. | 00:22 |
| tigert | anyway, gotta sleep so I can wake up for work tomorrow | 00:22 |
| tigert | good night boys and girls! :) | 00:22 |
| czr | night | 00:22 |
| alterego | Talking of battery life. Is OS2008 supposed to last longer? | 00:22 |
| czr | it will last up to the end of 2008. | 00:22 |
| tigert | alterego: if you use viagra, yes | 00:22 |
| alterego | Faster, More efficient, Last Longer? | 00:23 |
| Solarion | czr: that's a longbattery life. | 00:23 |
| alterego | Viagra? Is that like Android? | 00:23 |
| Solarion | alterego: It's a little blue pill | 00:23 |
| czr | Solarion, it would be nice though :-) | 00:23 |
| Solarion | czr: definitely. :) | 00:23 |
| alterego | As opposed to the red pill? | 00:23 |
| tigert | I dunno, I just hear thigns from the big boys | 00:23 |
| shackan | faster! harder! better! stronger! | 00:23 |
| alterego | Is this some new power save mode? | 00:23 |
| * timeless frowns | 00:23 | |
| czr | although I'd need to start using valgrind finally ;-) | 00:23 |
| Solarion | alterego: I wouldn't say that viagra was intended to *save* power.... | 00:24 |
| alterego | If it's not green I'm not interested :P | 00:24 |
| pc_speaker | Enlarge your stylus :) | 00:24 |
| tigert | anyway, definitely the time to sleep | 00:24 |
| alterego | I just need a GPS in my stylus. | 00:24 |
| tigert | I cannot contribute much any useful stuff here anymore | 00:24 |
| tigert | see you tomorrow :) | 00:24 |
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| alterego | Later | 00:24 |
| * alterego goes for a cigarette | 00:24 | |
| czr | alterego, cool. not do you not type suprise correctly, you smoke too. now, if I'd only convince you to switch to python, you'd be a perfect clone to me :-) | 00:26 |
| czr | not only even | 00:26 |
| * czr needs adjustment to his lexical unit | 00:26 | |
| tigert | czr: resistance is futile, your ass will be laminated! | 00:26 |
| czr | tigert, it is very tiny! | 00:27 |
| zerojay | timeless: Glad to see that bug finally entered. | 00:27 |
| czr | tigert, so one would need to be careful. | 00:27 |
| tigert | :) | 00:27 |
| tigert | anyway, night! | 00:27 |
| tigert | zZzZ & | 00:27 |
| czr | night | 00:27 |
| solmumaha | czr: forget python | 00:27 |
| _Monkey | solmumaha: I forgot python | 00:27 |
| timeless | Warning: missing newline at end of file chinook-20071107/release/alsa-plugins-1.0.14s/debian/control | 00:27 |
| czr | haha | 00:28 |
| solmumaha | :p | 00:28 |
| timeless | does debian care about that? | 00:28 |
| Solarion | timeless: it's a warning, not an error | 00:28 |
| timeless | zerojay: yeah, i had to lean on _|NiX|_ | 00:28 |
| czr | solmumaha, your evil jedi tricks might work on _Monkey, but I'm not that easy :-) | 00:28 |
| timeless | solarion: so i cna legally file a bug against it? | 00:28 |
| Solarion | timeless: surewhynot? ;) | 00:28 |
| timeless | solarion: because i don't speak debian | 00:28 |
| Solarion | you can file a bug about anything you want. | 00:28 |
| timeless | chinook-20071107/release/clinkc-av-1.0/config/config.guess: No such file or directory | 00:28 |
| timeless | that sounds like a bug | 00:29 |
| Solarion | yep | 00:29 |
| timeless | (typically it means a link to scratchbox) | 00:29 |
| zerojay | Someone with an N810 feel like helping me check on a bug? | 00:30 |
| timeless | btw, zerojay, meet _|nix|_, _|nix|_ meet zerojay | 00:31 |
| zerojay | _|Nix|_: hiya.. you're the guy working on Pidgin, right? | 00:31 |
| alterego | Nice,. | 00:32 |
| alterego | Where's gnutls13? | 00:32 |
| _|Nix|_ | zerojay: Yeah. | 00:33 |
| zerojay | _|Nix|_: I guess we're rivals then. ;) | 00:33 |
| _|Nix|_ | Wha ... ? | 00:33 |
| timeless | zerojay: bah, he's the guy nice enough to file the fkb bug :) | 00:33 |
| zerojay | Hehe. | 00:33 |
| zerojay | That's good enough for me. | 00:33 |
| _|Nix|_ | zWhat exactly are we fighting over? | 00:33 |
| zerojay | _|Nix|_: I'm pushing Jabber to kill Pidgin. ;P | 00:33 |
| zerojay | I'm just kidding, of course. | 00:34 |
| _|Nix|_ | zerojay: Oh, you mean those gateways ... | 00:34 |
| _|Nix|_ | Cool. | 00:34 |
| zerojay | I'm running a public Jabber server with all the gateways enabled and working and free for all tablet users. | 00:34 |
| zerojay | Well, anyone, actually. | 00:34 |
| _|Nix|_ | zerojay: Much like a-message.de ... | 00:34 |
| pupnik | if anyone is interested in doing something really helpful, getting xkbd virtual keyboard working with fullscreen SDL apps would be much appreciated... | 00:35 |
| Tb0n3 | ... | 00:35 |
| Tb0n3 | I had a check statement on my bank account, overdrawing | 00:35 |
| Tb0n3 | never wrote it | 00:35 |
| pupnik | working knowledge of X and input handling is probably required | 00:35 |
| zerojay | _|Nix|_: I suppose. We're pushing for other services for tablet users, showing them how to do things... stuff like that. | 00:35 |
| zerojay | One click adding of various podcasts and video casts to video center... | 00:36 |
| zerojay | Fun fun fun. | 00:36 |
| elb | jabber transports and pidgin solve two different problems | 00:36 |
| * timeless wonders what clink-av is | 00:37 | |
| zerojay | I suppose. | 00:37 |
| zerojay | We're just kind of trying to offer everything a tablet user might want in one place. | 00:37 |
| zerojay | Eventually. | 00:37 |
| elb | no harm in that | 00:37 |
| elb | also, as long as jabber does not have the Pidgin concept of contact (which I believe it does not) with respect to transports, it will be shamefully behind ;-) | 00:38 |
| elb | of course, if one uses Pidgin as their jabber client ... | 00:38 |
| elb | ;-) | 00:38 |
| elb | but, I digress from the topic | 00:38 |
| _|Nix|_ | :o) | 00:38 |
| zerojay | I'm going to write up something in PHP for new users... so that they can sign up, add in their MSN, AIM and whatever on the site so they won't need a PC program to add the transports. | 00:38 |
| _|Nix|_ | Yeah ... ever since I've discovered contacts, I've never looked back ... | 00:38 |
| zerojay | elb: That's something that's client-based and almost every decent Jabber program has had that long before Pidgin ever did. :) | 00:39 |
| elb | I doubt that | 00:39 |
| zerojay | Even the N800's Jabber client does that. | 00:39 |
| elb | as when Pidgin sprouted the feature, it was one of the few working jabber clients ;-) | 00:39 |
| zerojay | Pidgin was late to the party. :) | 00:39 |
| elb | it's unfortunate if Jabber treats it as client-based | 00:40 |
| elb | that is a weakness that Pidgin has, by design, but jabber could do better | 00:40 |
| zerojay | Well, Pidgin does the same thing. | 00:40 |
| pc_speaker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg | 00:40 |
| pc_speaker | Android demo | 00:40 |
| elb | pidgin has to, as the various protocols are ignorant of each other | 00:40 |
| elb | but the jabber transport mechanism need not be so | 00:41 |
| zerojay | I'm pretty sure it COULD be done pretty easily... if it wasn't already done. | 00:41 |
| * zerojay will look into that later. | 00:41 | |
| Tb0n3 | holy fucking hell | 00:41 |
| elb | Tb0n3: become a victim of identity theft? | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | I bought a meal at las vegas airport 3 weeks ago and they just fucking charged me last wednesday | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | that's what it was | 00:42 |
| elb | oh | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | 18.95 for 2 burgers at burger king | 00:42 |
| *** Vudentz is now known as Vudentz_AWAY | 00:42 | |
| Tb0n3 | fuck airport prices | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | T_T | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | and their suck ass credit ways | 00:42 |
| elb | that possibly violates card agreements | 00:43 |
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| elb | (I assume it was debit, and not a paper check?) | 00:43 |
| Tb0n3 | debit | 00:43 |
| Tb0n3 | on the 27th | 00:43 |
| Tb0n3 | 11 days later I'm charged | 00:43 |
| elb | if I recall correctly from the last place I was with a card processing station, we were required to process all transactions within 7 business days | 00:43 |
| elb | or perhaps 7 calendar days, I forget | 00:43 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Woah ... the "contacts" icon looks like the Maemo one O_o | 00:44 |
| lardman|away | anyone know if python-central should confilict with debhelper? | 00:45 |
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| timeless | heh | 00:45 |
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| pc_speaker | http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D7C64411AF40DEA5 -- Androidology Architecture Overview | 00:46 |
| _|Nix|_ | Yaaay ... browser history via coverflow ... *sigh* ... | 00:46 |
| timeless | heh | 00:47 |
| _|Nix|_ | Ooooh ... street view ... | 00:48 |
| _|Nix|_ | Brin's accent is /almost/ gone. | 00:48 |
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| alterego | ASUS make phones? | 00:50 |
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| pc_speaker | No, asus made a tiny notebook which some strange people compare to n800... | 00:54 |
| pc_speaker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeepc | 00:55 |
| alterego | They make phones | 00:55 |
| alterego | The Eeepc looks nice. | 00:56 |
| alterego | I think I'll get one. | 00:56 |
| alterego | I need something inbetween my laptop and tablet | 00:56 |
| * alterego chuckles | 00:56 | |
| pc_speaker | Good for people with huge laptops... | 00:56 |
| alterego | Well, mines pretty big. | 00:56 |
| alterego | It's the weight that kills me mostly. I don't drive so I have to walk every where or bus/train. | 00:57 |
| alterego | It takes it's toll after a whole day. | 00:57 |
| alterego | I like walking .. | 00:57 |
| pc_speaker | Useless for guys with 12" or even 11.1" notebooks... | 00:57 |
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| pc_speaker | But very handy for 15.4 and 17 folks :))) | 00:57 |
| alterego | I need a bit more power than those have to offer :) | 00:57 |
| alterego | Yeah, mines 15.4" | 00:58 |
| pc_speaker | eeePC is very underpowered. | 00:58 |
| alterego | 900Mhz isn't underpowered. | 00:58 |
| pc_speaker | But it's x86 | 00:58 |
| pc_speaker | It runs in 634 now. | 00:58 |
| pc_speaker | Until BIOS update | 00:58 |
| alterego | meh | 00:58 |
| pc_speaker | Yeah, very strange. | 00:59 |
| alterego | I think I'll wait till the next iteration. With the lower power CPU (no fan) | 00:59 |
| alterego | Better battery life | 00:59 |
| pc_speaker | And bigger screen :) | 00:59 |
| alterego | Maybe, I dunno :) | 00:59 |
| pc_speaker | Whick takes all available space... | 00:59 |
| alterego | That would be cool. | 00:59 |
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| alterego | 1024x640 | 00:59 |
| elb | I have been demanding a laptop with 12 hour battery life for years | 00:59 |
| ||cw | then where would you put the speakers | 00:59 |
| elb | there's no reason we can't do it | 00:59 |
| alterego | You can do it now. | 01:00 |
| pc_speaker | I wanted the eee but bought n800 and fed my gadget addiction for some time.... | 01:00 |
| alterego | It'd be very heavy though. | 01:00 |
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| elb | I didn't need a 10GHz processor five years ago, and I don't do anything different today than I did then | 01:00 |
| alterego | Yeah, I could probably get away with 800Mhz for most things. | 01:00 |
| alterego | Even maemo development. | 01:00 |
| pc_speaker | YouTube works well | 01:00 |
| pc_speaker | Not like in N800 :)))) | 01:00 |
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| alterego | flash will be better in 2008 | 01:01 |
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| alterego | Hmm, ebuyer sold out of eeepc's anyhow. | 01:02 |
| elb | a laptop could easily be produced with a 500MHz or so ARM or G3-ish generation PowerPC that functioned perfectly well as a general purpose laptop for most of what I use it for; put a 4GB or so solid state disk in it for the main system, as well as a spinning disk for large media (which can be spun down most of the time), omit the massive graphics adapter and attendant power-hungry memory required for 3-D games, and a 12 hour battery life is easily within reach | 01:02 |
| pc_speaker | It will be sold out everywhere soon :))) | 01:02 |
| elb | maybe even more | 01:02 |
| pc_speaker | "500MHz or so ARM or G3-ish generation PowerPC" is to slow for laptom | 01:02 |
| elb | I mean, my iBook G3 got 5 hours on a new battery, and that was in 2001 with a spinning disk that virtually never spun down | 01:03 |
| elb | pc_speaker: not at all | 01:03 |
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| pc_speaker | Don't wake up PAlm Foleo ghost :)))) | 01:03 |
| alterego | Well, you can have the nice low power PowerVR core in the SoC for compiz/beryl :) | 01:03 |
| elb | I'd be perfectly content with a 500MHz G3-class processor | 01:03 |
| alterego | Gotta have some candy every now-and-again ;) | 01:03 |
| alterego | I think 800 is my lower limit as far as a workstation is concerned. | 01:04 |
| derf | I'd rather underclock a newer processor that uses smaller lithography and can dynamically shut pieces of itself off. | 01:04 |
| pc_speaker | I prefer for battery time over effects on mobile platforms... | 01:04 |
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| elb | we're not talking about a workstation, we're talking about a laptop | 01:04 |
| alterego | pc_speaker, the point is it won't severly drain that battery. | 01:04 |
| pc_speaker | Compiz is overkill for pocket devices :)))) | 01:04 |
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| elb | my laptop is a glorified X terminal and web browser a large portion of the time | 01:04 |
| alterego | My laptop .. | 01:05 |
| alterego | Well, it's a POS | 01:05 |
| alterego | ~4 years old | 01:05 |
| alterego | Wasn't particularly good back then either. | 01:06 |
| elb | mine was OK when it was new, but the death of the media bay battery has confined me to 2.5-3h away from mains | 01:06 |
| elb | which is PITIFUL | 01:06 |
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| alterego | The battery doesn't work in mine. | 01:06 |
| elb | anything that won't make a transatlantic flight is pathetic | 01:06 |
| alterego | Has to be plugged in | 01:06 |
| alterego | Hah | 01:06 |
| elb | which means basically all laptops, I guess ;-) | 01:06 |
| shacka1 | elb: puh | 01:06 |
| alterego | And internet tablets :P | 01:07 |
| pc_speaker | http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php | 01:07 |
| timeless | how long are transatlantic flights these days? | 01:07 |
| pc_speaker | OLPC is available too :) | 01:07 |
| * timeless is pretty sure most tablets won't make it | 01:07 | |
| shacka1 | elb: I do as much with an almost new battery, and never drained it yet | 01:07 |
| timeless | i think cranking an olpc counts as cheating | 01:07 |
| zerojay | Aren't they like.. 6 hours? | 01:07 |
| shacka1 | timeless: lol... | 01:07 |
| zerojay | Maybe 8? | 01:07 |
| elb | timeless: about 6:30 one direction and 7:30 the other, I think | 01:08 |
| elb | depends on where to where, of course | 01:08 |
| timeless | theoretically that's doable w/ a tablet | 01:08 |
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| shacka1 | timeless: in standby? | 01:08 |
| timeless | and possibly some laptops w/ that extra battery in the bay and max power configured | 01:08 |
| timeless | not standbye | 01:08 |
| pc_speaker | Not watching a movie :) | 01:08 |
| timeless | no | 01:08 |
| elb | there have been various laptops over the years which could do it, but generally not without some gyrations and luck | 01:08 |
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| pc_speaker | N800 last for one full time movie in mplayer... | 01:09 |
| elb | as I said, my iBook G3 got 5 hours in 2001, that's close | 01:09 |
| alterego | You can plug in the tablets in planes now. | 01:09 |
| pc_speaker | Apple has strong batteries... | 01:09 |
| pc_speaker | Sometimes exploding... | 01:09 |
| elb | Apple *had* !x86 | 01:09 |
| elb | x86 is a filthy power whore | 01:09 |
| pc_speaker | But it's OK :))) | 01:09 |
| elb | the newest generations are better, but still ... | 01:10 |
| daniels | the thinkpad x40 will haul about 6h on the 8-cell battery, and 11h or thereabouts with the extended life battery. | 01:10 |
| alterego | I think I'll strip down my spare noke charger and make a external battery pack this weekend. | 01:10 |
| pc_speaker | BTW can n800 be charged over USB? | 01:10 |
| alterego | Think I'll also get a solar charger for next summer. | 01:10 |
| timeless | no | 01:10 |
| elb | I'm yet to fly even a transatlantic (or transpacific) flight that had power jacks | 01:10 |
| zerojay | I wish Nokia would sell a higher capacity battery. They would fly off the shelves.. if they can put it into the same amount of space, anyways. | 01:10 |
| elb | though people act like they're commonplace | 01:11 |
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| timeless | zerojay: last i checked, nokia batteries were very expensive | 01:11 |
| timeless | but that reminds me | 01:11 |
| elb | maybe they are if you're not in coach, which is where I invariably am ;-) | 01:11 |
| timeless | someone said there was a nokia product that operated on batteries for charging others | 01:11 |
| pc_speaker | Even PSP can by charged over USB :))) | 01:11 |
| zerojay | timeless: I wouldn't know. I've never paid for it. | 01:11 |
| * timeless goes to find it | 01:11 | |
| zerojay | pc_speaker: PSP doesn't charge by USB. | 01:11 |
| timeless | zerojay: iirc it's 50<cur>+ | 01:11 |
| lcdd | hp claims ~14 hour battery life for some of their laptops | 01:11 |
| zerojay | pc_speaker: Only the PSP Slim can. | 01:11 |
| elb | there is a nokia USB power adapter, I saw it on the accessories page | 01:12 |
| alterego | pfft. | 01:12 |
| pc_speaker | PSP Slim is still PSP :))) | 01:12 |
| elb | it plugs into a USB port on one end, and the nokia power port on the other | 01:12 |
| alterego | psp is cack at anything but playing games. | 01:12 |
| alterego | elb yeah. That's possible. | 01:12 |
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| alterego | That would be quite handy actually. | 01:12 |
| zerojay | alterego: Disagree with you there. I used it for all my portable media before the N800. | 01:12 |
| zerojay | anyways.. bbl | 01:12 |
| alterego | Would only need one plug for laptop and tablet. | 01:12 |
| alterego | Yeah, suppose it'd be good for video/audio. | 01:13 |
| alterego | Well, adequate. | 01:13 |
| timeless | bah | 01:13 |
| zerojay | Browser's okay.. nothing special, but helpful when needed. | 01:13 |
| fysa | If the PSP had a touchscreen, it would have taken over the world. | 01:13 |
| pc_speaker | PSP can't play non-converted movies, but N800 can :) | 01:13 |
| alterego | Yes, I refer mainly to the lack of touchscreen. | 01:13 |
| zerojay | fysa: Touchscreens for games suck. | 01:14 |
| timeless | ok, how would one search for a device which has disposable batteries w/ a mini nokia power output plug | 01:14 |
| alterego | Wouldn't be for the games. | 01:14 |
| timeless | for charging nokia phones | 01:14 |
| timeless | someone claims it exists | 01:14 |
| pc_speaker | Yes | 01:14 |
| timeless | but i can't think of how to seek it | 01:14 |
| alterego | "USB phone charger" | 01:14 |
| zerojay | pc_speaker: The PSP can play almost all the same formats the N800 can. | 01:14 |
| timeless | not usb | 01:14 |
| fysa | and/or bluetooth for a keyboard/mouse | 01:14 |
| timeless | standard nokia plug | 01:14 |
| lardman|back | has anyone used opengl on the n800? | 01:14 |
| alterego | timeless, just make one :) | 01:14 |
| alterego | lardman, no, it's not possible. | 01:15 |
| pc_speaker | http://nds3.nokia.com/pressphotos/public/global/enhancements/other/nokia_power_pack_dc1_low.jpg | 01:15 |
| alterego | (yet) | 01:15 |
| lardman|back | alterego: in software it ought to be | 01:15 |
| pc_speaker | Here it is :))) | 01:15 |
| _|Nix|_ | zerojay: "almost"? That's not much, then ... but, I guess I'm no judge ... | 01:15 |
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| alterego | I tried to cross-compile mesa | 01:15 |
| lardman|back | alterego: I compiled it a while back as a dep for something | 01:15 |
| alterego | Didn't get very far. | 01:15 |
| alterego | Though, I didn't actually do anything. | 01:15 |
| alterego | Probably missing deps | 01:15 |
| lardman|back | oh, I've probably got a binary somewhere, no idea if it works or not | 01:15 |
| fysa | but not having to transcode SD TV anymore quickly gets me to forget the PSP | 01:16 |
| alterego | You should team up with sciboy .. He wants blender mobile (real bad) | 01:16 |
| lardman|back | I want some snazzy 3D graphs | 01:16 |
| * timeless grumbles | 01:16 | |
| zerojay | _|Nix|_: No one uses Real anymore, so we can ignore that. ;) | 01:16 |
| pc_speaker | Will N800 blend? :) | 01:16 |
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| * timeless can't figure out how to get nokia's internal purchasing tool to order it | 01:16 | |
| alterego | pc_speaker, what the hell is that? | 01:16 |
| _|Nix|_ | zerojay: I do ... | 01:17 |
| timeless | _|nix|_: any idea? | 01:17 |
| timeless | (dc-1) | 01:17 |
| pc_speaker | Packed with Power: Nokia Power Pack DC-1 | 01:17 |
| pc_speaker | A busy lifestyle means you may not always be conveniently near a power outlet when you need one - but now you can be. The Nokia Power Pack DC-1 has reserve power in a pretty and portable package, so you can take the equivalent of up to three batteries** with you and recharge your mobile device when you most need it. Compatible with Nokia 2mm charging interfaces, the power pack has two charge output cables so you can easily charge two dev | 01:17 |
| pc_speaker | ly, it will cost an estimated 105 euro, without taxes. | 01:17 |
| pc_speaker | These enhancements will be available globally from the fourth quarter of 2007. | 01:17 |
| pc_speaker | *When supported by a compatible mobile device | 01:17 |
| daniels | elb: fwiw, both ba and qantas have laptop power in economy plus and business on uk<->au flights | 01:17 |
| pc_speaker | **with battery capacity of 950 mAh | 01:17 |
| _|Nix|_ | timeless: I dunno ... it was fairly simple for me ... | 01:17 |
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| timeless | _|nix|_: you ordered the dc-1? | 01:17 |
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| alterego | Cool, tablet & phone chargine at the same time ^_^ | 01:17 |
| pc_speaker | 105 euro is overkill... | 01:17 |
| timeless | pc_speaker: if nokia pays, how can i complain? | 01:18 |
| _|Nix|_ | timeless: Dunno what that is (an airplane?). I ordered a PC. /That/ was easy. | 01:18 |
| alterego | That's more than I'm gonna pay for the N810 :/ | 01:18 |
| pc_speaker | Lucky :) | 01:18 |
| timeless | _|nix|_: http://europe.nokia.com/A4487188 | 01:18 |
| fysa | i picked up an iGo universal charger kit the other day. it can do battery charging with nokia/usb/ipod/anything plugs | 01:18 |
| timeless | how much? | 01:19 |
| pc_speaker | N810 and N800 compatible :) | 01:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:19 |
| _|Nix|_ | timeless: nift-o ... | 01:19 |
| fysa | 30 usd + 5-10 per plug end | 01:19 |
| timeless | _|nix|_: now i just need you to help me order it :) | 01:19 |
| lardman|back | ~lart relocation error | 01:19 |
| * infobot DoSes relocation error | 01:19 | |
| elb | daniels: yeah, I hear things like that all the time -- but last time I flew Qantas LAX->SYD and MEL->LAX, I had no such thing | 01:19 |
| _|Nix|_ | No I wonder how much heavier it is charged than empty ... | 01:20 |
| pc_speaker | http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/11/asus-eee-mini-hands-on.html | 01:20 |
| pc_speaker | eeePC and N810 =))) | 01:20 |
| elb | daniels: perhaps I'm just monumentally unlucky :-) | 01:20 |
| daniels | elb: qantas definitely has it in business on their 747s. if you ask the flight attendants, they'll generally take your laptop and put it under a spare seat to charge. | 01:20 |
| fysa | and the plug ends go into either a wall, car or battery charger.. with optional splitter for 2 devices | 01:20 |
| elb | and, no love on Aeroflot (unsurprising, I don't think there were power jacks in 1973) or Delta to/from Moscow | 01:20 |
| timeless | daniels: wow | 01:20 |
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| * alterego wonders how scratchbox will perform on an eeepc | 01:21 | |
| elb | daniels: hah business, that would cement my unfamiliarity with any such service ;-) | 01:21 |
| elb | I would fly baggage if they'd let me | 01:21 |
| alterego | That's mobile development .. Code in your hands .. | 01:21 |
| _|Nix|_ | elb: LOL :o) | 01:21 |
| _|Nix|_ | elb: In Soviet Russia, we had treadmills for power jacks :o) | 01:22 |
| daniels | elb: they're usually pretty fine with it; i've done it a couple of times now on mel<->lhr. | 01:22 |
| elb | daniels: I'll try that with Delta next month on the ATL<->SVO run | 01:22 |
| elb | I'll no doubt exhaust my battery at some point :-P | 01:23 |
| fysa | http://www.amazon.com/iGo-powerXtender-PS00264-0001-Universal-Battery-Operated/dp/B000O2X2OU | 01:23 |
| pc_speaker | Intel promises N800 like devices on x86 next year. That could be interesting... | 01:25 |
| pc_speaker | Will make porting even simplier task... | 01:26 |
| alterego | Yeah .. Wonder about price range. | 01:26 |
| timeless | price range isn't interesting | 01:26 |
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| timeless | battery life is | 01:26 |
| timeless | the price range for a device needs to be less than $300 | 01:27 |
| alterego | Also, I wonder if Nokia will move from ARM to Intel in the future .. | 01:27 |
| pc_speaker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Internet_Device#Menlow_.282008.29 | 01:28 |
| pc_speaker | Like apple moved from ppc :))) | 01:28 |
| pc_speaker | N800 is a MID :) | 01:28 |
| |R | n900 with 1Ghz x86, 1024x600, tilt sensors, tactil screen, 300$... 6h battery while playing quake, i'm all for that :P | 01:28 |
| pc_speaker | 300$ are you kidding? | 01:28 |
| |R | yes | 01:28 |
| |R | :) | 01:28 |
| pc_speaker | Even 810 cost more :))) | 01:28 |
| alterego | Erm .. I don't think the screen should get any bigger. | 01:29 |
| alterego | Or higher res .. | 01:29 |
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| alterego | The N810 screen is almost pixel perfect in my books. | 01:29 |
| alterego | I can't imagine a better screen. | 01:29 |
| pc_speaker | I can :) | 01:29 |
| |R | alterego : well 5", covering the whole front, not taking any more space... with higher res, could be very nice :) | 01:29 |
| pc_speaker | Yes :) | 01:29 |
| alterego | An internal projector capable of 1600 widescreen .. That would be better. | 01:29 |
| ds3 | HMD! | 01:30 |
| |R | haha yeah | 01:30 |
| |R | oh yes | 01:30 |
| |R | give me HMD! | 01:30 |
| pc_speaker | Personal teleportation :) | 01:30 |
| ds3 | I'll settle for NTSC in the mean time ;) | 01:30 |
| |R | i want something like Steve Mann has | 01:30 |
| alterego | Seriously, they're making 1cm^2 projectors. | 01:30 |
| |R | a stealth, in glasses, HMD for one eye | 01:30 |
| |R | that thing is sooo slick | 01:30 |
| |R | let me find a link :) | 01:30 |
| alterego | Add a laser pointing device so you can just rotate/pan the device for point and click on the projector :) | 01:30 |
| alterego | Maybe have corner sensors so it can adjust the image aspect ratio, crop resize trapezoid the image depending on distances between projection and surface. | 01:31 |
| * alterego starts drifting off to sleep again .. | 01:31 | |
| _|Nix|_ | Right ... sleep ... I remember sleep ... | 01:32 |
| alterego | I actually dreamt of a device. Identical to the internet tablet range. With just a few more features in 2001 | 01:32 |
| alterego | The projector was one of those features. Screw TV-Out ;) | 01:32 |
| |R | uhm, can't find it, but there was a freakin' nice HMD :P | 01:32 |
| pc_speaker | Apple Newton! :) | 01:32 |
| * lardman|back prays that gmp3 will actually compile | 01:32 | |
| timeless | in 2001, i had an audrey | 01:33 |
| alterego | In 2001 I had .. | 01:33 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 01:33 |
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| timeless | it was about as fast as the 770, had a touch screen, and cost about what a 770 costs today | 01:33 |
| alterego | 800Mhz PIII and an Acorn RiscPC SA prototype | 01:33 |
| timeless | but it was prettier | 01:33 |
| timeless | audrey = 200mhz geode | 01:33 |
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| alterego | I played with a neat Acorn prototype. It was an SA (233Mhz) A4 size tablet PC. | 01:34 |
| ds3 | NTSC out would let you use a cheap HMD | 01:34 |
| alterego | That thing was awesome. | 01:34 |
| alterego | Way before tablet PC's were as popular as they are now ;) | 01:34 |
| alterego | NTSC is for kids. | 01:35 |
| elb | re: higher-resolution screen, an extremely high resolution B&W reflective display overlaid with the color display (a là OLPC) would be nice | 01:35 |
| * lardman|back 's prayers were answered. Strange how it's a relief to see something finally compile cleanly in scratchbox | 01:35 | |
| timeless | you mean a micro olpc? | 01:35 |
| timeless | or more like some of those ebooks i've seen planned | 01:35 |
| pc_speaker | For micro african kids :) | 01:35 |
| pc_speaker | Pigmeys :) | 01:36 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'd like to try an eInk device. | 01:36 |
| elb | I mean in an "internet tablet"; I was responding to alterego's comment that he didn't see the need for a higher resolution | 01:36 |
| pc_speaker | e-ink is expensive and useless. | 01:36 |
| elb | for color display, he's almost certainly right | 01:36 |
| elb | but for document reading, high-resolution grayscale is a powerful thing | 01:36 |
| alterego | elb, interesting idea. | 01:36 |
| pc_speaker | No backlighting is not good :) | 01:36 |
| elb | pc_speaker: no backlighting is very good for your eyes | 01:37 |
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| czr | hmm. what different deprecation defines are there for hildon? | 01:37 |
| alterego | Yeah, backlights hurt meh eyez | 01:37 |
| alterego | czr, I came across one but I can't remember what it was :P | 01:37 |
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| elb | backlit displays are very tiring for eyes, particularly in low-light situations -- reflective displays encourage sufficient lighting for proper reading | 01:37 |
| pc_speaker | But you can read with very bad light around :) | 01:37 |
| alterego | And I've looked quite deeply at hildon .. | 01:37 |
| pc_speaker | And back scared? | 01:38 |
| alterego | It's bad for your eyez. | 01:38 |
| czr | alterego, any hint? | 01:38 |
| elb | (I keep my office and other workspaces quite dark, but do light sufficiently for reading) | 01:38 |
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| czr | (others are free to answer too :-) | 01:38 |
| alterego | czr, I can tell you the differences and you can look around there. | 01:38 |
| czr | alterego, does not compute. differences of what? | 01:39 |
| alterego | API changes | 01:39 |
| czr | I'm not after API changes | 01:39 |
| * alterego puts on thinking cap. | 01:39 | |
| czr | I'm after the define to drop deprecated stuff | 01:39 |
| czr | similar to ones in GLIB and GTK+ | 01:39 |
| alterego | Yeah, I can tell you the deprecated items and you should be able to find defines there. | 01:39 |
| alterego | If there are any. | 01:39 |
| czr | GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED for example | 01:39 |
| alterego | Am I making sense? | 01:40 |
| pupnik | with OS2008 we're slowly running out of things to want | 01:40 |
| alterego | I'm kind of tired :) | 01:40 |
| czr | maybe I'll just grep for DEPRECATED :-) | 01:40 |
| alterego | czr, perfect ;) | 01:40 |
| alterego | Like I said, I saw one occurance. | 01:40 |
| alterego | Let me know how many you find ;) | 01:40 |
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| pc_speaker | grep for "I don't know how it works so don't touch this" :) | 01:41 |
| czr | HILDON_DISABLE_DEPRECATED, GCONF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED GNOME_VFS_DISABLE_DEPRECATED PANGO_DISABLE_DEPRECATED and others | 01:41 |
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| czr | (+ the regular ones for GLib and GTK+) | 01:41 |
| alterego | Right | 01:41 |
| |R | http://www.trittontechnologies.com/products/TRIUV100.htm | 01:42 |
| |R | VGA out from the USB... | 01:42 |
| pc_speaker | Wow :) | 01:42 |
| |R | now we need a head mounted display for single eye.. | 01:42 |
| ywwg | can someone help me get started with scratchbox, etc? I'm trying to do something simple and it's not working | 01:43 |
| alterego | czr, I'm gonna make a Ruby programmable bluetooth remote control helicopter for indoor use this weekend ^_^ | 01:43 |
| pc_speaker | Samsung sells USB displays BTW :) | 01:43 |
| pupnik | PhoneMEAdvanced MR2 Java CDC/FP version 1.1 VM for the N800 << what is missing from that? http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 | 01:43 |
| alterego | czr, want a "one-click-install" for that? | 01:43 |
| alterego | Oh, it'll be controlled by the tablet. | 01:43 |
| alterego | Or a phone | 01:43 |
| |R | pc_speaker oh :) | 01:43 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... a phone is for voice and data | 01:43 |
| fysa | would that play cell phone games? | 01:43 |
| czr | alterego, I prefer the real rc controls for thos things. they're fun though :-) | 01:43 |
| alterego | _Monkey forget phone | 01:44 |
| _Monkey | alterego: I forgot phone | 01:44 |
| * |R wants to go glogger.mobi style with the n8x0 ;) | 01:44 | |
| alterego | _Monkey phone is <reply> | 01:44 |
| * czr needs more coffee | 01:44 | |
| _Monkey | OK, alterego. | 01:44 |
| pupnik | yes that is my question, i don't know much about java and how it needs to integrate with hildon | 01:44 |
| alterego | Integration with hildon should be easy pupnik. | 01:44 |
| alterego | Just look at the Gtk bindings and add your own hildon stuff. | 01:44 |
| pc_speaker | Java in N800? What's next? Cobol? | 01:44 |
| pc_speaker | :) | 01:44 |
| alterego | I don't know how to make Java C extensions though .. | 01:45 |
| czr | pc_speaker, it's COBOL. | 01:45 |
| elb | I demand a HUD | 01:45 |
| alterego | I presume it's pretty simple once you get usde to it .. | 01:45 |
| czr | besides, porting COBOL would be easy :-) | 01:45 |
| pupnik | well if anybody is curious and interested in java there's the link | 01:45 |
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| czr | and the language does actually have some nice features | 01:45 |
| timeless | ok, fwiw, i'm building a newer xref for chinook, i'll push it in +12 hours | 01:45 |
| doublec | use jna (if possible) | 01:45 |
| czr | too bad it got such a bad reputation :-) | 01:45 |
| doublec | that makes it really easy to use native libraries from java | 01:45 |
| |R | anyone know if the OS2008 for n800 will be a different image than the one for N810? | 01:45 |
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| pupnik | "Right now, Java on the N800 is purely a command line affair, i.e. no Maemo GUI integration exists as yet" | 01:46 |
| timeless | |r: why do you care? | 01:46 |
| zerojay | |R: Same one. | 01:46 |
| zerojay | As far as we know. | 01:46 |
| |R | timeless : to have a boot card that could work on both (for example) | 01:46 |
| |R | zerojay : ok | 01:46 |
| pc_speaker | So there is a way to extract it from 810 and install on 800... | 01:46 |
| pc_speaker | Have anyone tried this? | 01:46 |
| lardman|back | what does ## do in a #define? concatenate? | 01:46 |
| timeless | during development, the images used to be the same | 01:46 |
| czr | what's up with pkg-config in 4.0 sdk? | 01:46 |
| czr | why doesn't it list the installed pc files with --list-all? | 01:47 |
| timeless | it's unclear that this will actually be the case for the release | 01:47 |
| alterego | I don't like JAva so I'm not going to do it. | 01:47 |
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| czr | can anyone verify on 4.0: pkg-config --list-all | grep gconf | 01:47 |
| alterego | Ruby is a far better Java | 01:47 |
| elb | amen | 01:47 |
| timeless | czr: would that require a working sdk? | 01:47 |
| czr | timeless, err, I'd assume so :-) | 01:47 |
| alterego | Like, Python is a better C/C++ | 01:47 |
| czr | alterego, or python is a better ruby. | 01:48 |
| daniels | the kernel and initfs are the same. the bootloader is not the same, though the one fiasco image will almost certainly contain both, as it did during development. the rootfs may or may not be different, but this won't have any functional effect. | 01:48 |
| * czr hides & runs | 01:48 | |
| alterego | czr, not likely. | 01:48 |
| zerojay | Anyone with a N810 can confirm a bug for me? | 01:48 |
| alterego | Python isn't fully OO | 01:48 |
| pc_speaker | Ruby is anime of programming languages... :) | 01:48 |
| daniels | (the rootfs difference, if it exists, will just be documentation: either the n810 or n800 user manual. the software is completely device-agnostic.) | 01:48 |
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| daniels | zerojay: go on | 01:48 |
| |R | zerojay : /msg :) | 01:48 |
| zerojay | |R: I can't send private messages and I'm not registering to do it. | 01:48 |
| alterego | Ruby is Perl/Python/Java/Smalltalk/Lisp | 01:48 |
| |R | oh ok | 01:48 |
| czr | alterego, forcing OO on all people is somehow a good thing? | 01:48 |
| |R | ehhe | 01:48 |
| zerojay | |R: Ouais, par les states. | 01:48 |
| alterego | czr, it's not forced. It's just there. | 01:48 |
| czr | alterego, so it is forced. | 01:49 |
| czr | just like in java. | 01:49 |
| zerojay | daniels: Bug #2265 | 01:49 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2265 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2265 | 01:49 |
| alterego | You can be as procedural or whatever as you like. | 01:49 |
| pc_speaker | Brainfuck IDE fpr N800? Anyone? | 01:49 |
| daniels | wow, that thing was useful | 01:49 |
| |R | zerojay : ok, j'ai mis france parceque j ai de la famille là bas mais je suis en train de me demander si avoir un clavier azerty et le canal wifi 12-13 c est une bonne idée :P | 01:49 |
| zerojay | daniels: Jabber connection issue. | 01:49 |
| daniels | zerojay: i'll have a look tomorrow | 01:49 |
| alterego | czr, Just because "_everything_ is an object" doesn't mean you have to act like it :) | 01:49 |
| timeless | daniels: /join | 01:49 |
| czr | alterego, I'll wait until you come to work for nokia in helsinki and then we'll have a showdown on the streets about this issue. (I'll whoop your ass, or at least attempt to) :-) | 01:49 |
| zerojay | |R: Ouais.. azerty... ca marche pas pour moi. ;) | 01:49 |
| alterego | I didn't like OO much until Ruby | 01:49 |
| daniels | timeless: already did ... | 01:49 |
| zerojay | daniels: Okay, thanks. | 01:50 |
| procto | so, anyone know if the BH-800 Headset will work with the N800? | 01:50 |
| timeless | oops | 01:50 |
| elb | czr: ruby really doesn't force OO at all | 01:50 |
| |R | zerojay : hehe, je mettrai de stickers, tant que c est que de settings logiciel :) | 01:50 |
| alterego | I was more into Lisp and functional programming. | 01:50 |
| elb | it's quite a beautiful language in many ways | 01:50 |
| czr | timeless, what was your question about a working sdk though? | 01:50 |
| procto | I made some progress in getting a regular old bluetooth headset working | 01:50 |
| procto | (that is, not A2DP) | 01:50 |
| elb | and I'm glad to see it's arriving on Maemo ;-) | 01:50 |
| timeless | czr: i have a source xref for chinook | 01:50 |
| procto | but still not so great | 01:50 |
| czr | timeless, and that helps how? :-) | 01:50 |
| alterego | elb, it's pretty usable now. I'm working for desktop plugin support at the moment. | 01:50 |
| czr | ah, you mean you don't have a working sdk setup? | 01:51 |
| timeless | right | 01:51 |
| czr | right. | 01:51 |
| czr | anyone with working 4.0 sdk setup? | 01:51 |
| zerojay | |R: Peut etre un peut problematique avec le backlight du clavier. ;) | 01:51 |
| alterego | czr, yes | 01:51 |
| elb | ruby is my go-to language for pretty much everything that doesn't require super performance | 01:51 |
| czr | alterego, can you verify one thing: pkg-config --list-all | grep gconf | 01:51 |
| elb | which is basically everything ;-) | 01:51 |
| alterego | czr, it's gconf2 I believe | 01:51 |
| czr | alterego, it should show up in the grep | 01:51 |
| |R | zerojay : ah shit... j avais oublié ca haha ... bon, uh... ahh argh oh well, j vais vivre avec q=a etc ;P | 01:51 |
| czr | list-all after all. | 01:51 |
| alterego | I'll just check. | 01:51 |
| procto | so, uh, any news about headsets on any maemo device? | 01:51 |
| alterego | Duplicate definition of variable 'prefix' in '/usr/lib/pkgconfig/sofia-tools.pc' | 01:52 |
| czr | alterego, but no gconf. right? | 01:52 |
| alterego | That's not good. | 01:52 |
| alterego | Right | 01:52 |
| czr | it isn't indeed. --list-all misses a lot of packages | 01:52 |
| zerojay | |R: J'ai jamais utilizer un clavier azerty... ca doit etre un peut.... melangent. | 01:53 |
| czr | the issue was already present in 4.0beta | 01:53 |
| zerojay | |R: Sorry, my french sucks. | 01:53 |
| alterego | It's in /usr/lib/pkgconfig | 01:53 |
| czr | alterego, I know. | 01:53 |
| pupnik | David Weinehall said: "No ogg this time either =( I'm pissed about this too, but it's not my decision. You'll have to take this up with Ari, Anssi Vanjokki or similar instead, to let the management know it's a desired feature" | 01:53 |
| czr | alterego, that wasn't the issue either. | 01:53 |
| |R | zerojay : oh hehe thought it was fine since you were in qc.qc :) | 01:53 |
| |R | took a guess ;) | 01:53 |
| alterego | czr, pkg-config reports correct when it's queried too. | 01:53 |
| czr | alterego, I know that too. that again isn't the issue :-) | 01:53 |
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| pupnik | Feel free to send nokia feedback about ogg support :) | 01:53 |
| alterego | czr, so pkg-config is lazy? | 01:54 |
| alterego | Or are you thinking there's something more sinister ;) | 01:54 |
| czr | alterego, the grep idiom is very useful when you don't exactly remember what you need or maybe a package changed the name (like hildon-libs -> hildon-1 and hildon-fm-2 and such) | 01:54 |
| |R | zerojay : azerty is just well, the same as qwerty except for q=a w=z m=; and some number think that won't matter on the n810 i think | 01:54 |
| czr | I always think sinister. that too, is besides the point :-) | 01:54 |
| alterego | czr, I know. I use grep all the time ;) | 01:54 |
| zerojay | |R: C'est pas un probleme. C'est juste que c'est pas ma langue maternelle (ooops, fucked that up). | 01:54 |
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| czr | alterego, I'll try to do a silly fix | 01:54 |
| |R | zerojay : theoretically mine is Czech but i forgot it in kindergarden ;) | 01:55 |
| alterego | czr, I just didn't know why you were asking me to do that above 'pkg-config --exists' | 01:55 |
| alterego | Now I do :) | 01:55 |
| czr | alterego, ah, sry. should've explained | 01:55 |
| pupnik | if lardman gets his ogg working i am sending him some german beer or something | 01:55 |
| alterego | No matter, I'm heading to bed now. | 01:55 |
| czr | pkg-config stops on the first pc file in which it has problems. moving sofia.pc out of that directly fixed the problem | 01:55 |
| pupnik | cu alterego | 01:56 |
| alterego | Groovy. | 01:56 |
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| alterego | Good night folks. | 01:56 |
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| czr | night alterego | 01:56 |
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| |R | zerojay : in the end having channel 12-13 for wifi might be more useful than a keyboard whose key i won't be looking at when typing... | 01:56 |
| lardman|back | pupnik: ogg's annoying me | 01:56 |
| |R | zerojay : but i'm still hesitating :P | 01:56 |
| lardman|back | pupnik: I don't use it, am feeling quite unmotivated atm | 01:56 |
| czr | where do I report a bug in sofia.pc against? (it's the sip tools library smt) | 01:57 |
| pupnik | this I can understand! | 01:57 |
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| lardman|back | pupnik: I should create a garage project, might get more people helping, and perhaps more motivation | 01:58 |
| timeless | oh right | 01:58 |
| timeless | someone was complaining about radio yesterday | 01:58 |
| timeless | who was that? | 01:58 |
| zerojay | Shit.. don't remember his name. | 02:00 |
| zerojay | But there was a bug filed by some guy in Japan about the frequencies. | 02:00 |
| pc_speaker | N800 is steampunk for Japan :) | 02:00 |
| |R | haha | 02:00 |
| procto | so, it looks like like to get a headset profile going on the n800 | 02:01 |
| pc_speaker | And they laugh on iPhone and N95 :) | 02:01 |
| pupnik | i dunno, sharp hasn't brought out anything cooler | 02:01 |
| procto | I'm going to have to purchase the Jabra A210 | 02:01 |
| zerojay | timeless: #2249 | 02:01 |
| procto | plug that into a 2.5mm->3mm adapter | 02:01 |
| procto | which is plugged into the n800 | 02:01 |
| pupnik | pc_speaker: ok, what does japan have that's better than n800 for mobile linux? | 02:01 |
| procto | and then use my bluetooth headset and pair to that | 02:01 |
| derf | I don't know, they seemed to like my N800 when I was in Japan. | 02:02 |
| pc_speaker | Sony UX :) | 02:02 |
| _|Nix|_ | Wow! It wouldn't let me order an OLPC from my Finnish IP ... even though the shipping address was in Canada ... | 02:03 |
| zerojay | Heh. | 02:03 |
| _|Nix|_ | I had to run it through vnc ... | 02:03 |
| lardman|back | praise be to ASMFLAGS | 02:03 |
| pc_speaker | I wonder why it is limited? | 02:03 |
| * pupnik coughs up coffee | 02:03 | |
| timeless | why what is limited? | 02:03 |
| pupnik | 2699 euro?!?! | 02:03 |
| zerojay | I wonder the same thing about Rhapsody. | 02:03 |
| timeless | each locale added costs a lot of money | 02:03 |
| pc_speaker | OLPC sales... | 02:03 |
| _|Nix|_ | pc_speaker: Well, it clearly says US & Canada only ... | 02:03 |
| pc_speaker | But WHY? :) | 02:04 |
| timeless | rhapsody is a limitation by real, not nokia | 02:04 |
| zerojay | Let's put it on all our internationally sold tablets (not just those with wifi only for channels 1-11). | 02:04 |
| _|Nix|_ | pc_speaker: ... but the system should be smart enough to realize that my parameters lie within those bounds ... | 02:04 |
| zerojay | timeless: Yeah, I know. | 02:04 |
| |R | /clear | 02:04 |
| |R | oops | 02:04 |
| _|Nix|_ | pc_speaker: My IP shoulw be irrelevant. | 02:04 |
| zerojay | timeless: Just sucks for international users that got a taste of it and liked it only to find out they can't pay for it. | 02:04 |
| pc_speaker | OLPC is an interesting piece of technology. | 02:05 |
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| zerojay | I suppose you could always just pay though a proxy. | 02:05 |
| timeless | zerojay: hey, i used rhapsody | 02:05 |
| timeless | it's a great service | 02:05 |
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| czr | bug report a day keeps another release away. | 02:05 |
| * czr sings slightly | 02:05 | |
| zerojay | timeless: Yeah, I liked it too... but when you can't pay for it... :) | 02:05 |
| * timeless shrugs | 02:05 | |
| timeless | nokia's offering me a trial of their service | 02:05 |
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| pc_speaker | I like Real support in N800, I can watch and listem Berkeley lectures on it :) | 02:06 |
| timeless | it's not even worth trying though | 02:06 |
| zerojay | I'd pay for it except I'd have to use an open proxy... and honestly, who wants to send credit card details through those? | 02:06 |
| zerojay | timeless: Ovi? | 02:06 |
| lopz | hola | 02:06 |
| timeless | no | 02:06 |
| timeless | http://musicstore.nokia.com/ | 02:06 |
| zerojay | Ah, okay. | 02:06 |
| timeless | which is a UK only service :) | 02:06 |
| zerojay | timeless: Is that coming to the tablets? | 02:06 |
| timeless | doubtful | 02:06 |
| timeless | they're giving us a phone w/ logging for 3 months | 02:07 |
| zerojay | Oh, okay. | 02:07 |
| timeless | so they log everything we do | 02:07 |
| pc_speaker | Nokia Music. Your music. Your way. | 02:07 |
| timeless | in exchange, i get a decent bt gps | 02:07 |
| pc_speaker | N800? No way! | 02:07 |
| zerojay | To see what they can approve on and so on.. focus group. | 02:07 |
| timeless | pc_speaker: iirc no mac or linux either | 02:07 |
| timeless | zerojay: maybe | 02:07 |
| timeless | they don't seem to have any good way for me to give thousands of bug reports | 02:08 |
| zerojay | Thousands.. haha. | 02:08 |
| timeless | the group is probably much larger than their normal groups | 02:08 |
| daniels | rhapsody is pretty rubbish as far as i'm concerned, the selection is crap, and drm is a dealbreaker | 02:08 |
| timeless | zerojay: consider... | 02:08 |
| pc_speaker | thousands sound scary :) | 02:08 |
| daniels | i'd much prefer to throw my money at bleep | 02:08 |
| * zerojay considers. | 02:09 | |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hmmm ... I had forgotten how sweet Xvnc is ... | 02:09 |
| timeless | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?&y_axis_field=product&query_format=report-table&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&format=table&action=wrap | 02:09 |
| zerojay | I'm screwing around with mp3tunes.. not sure if Rhapsody or mp3tunes would help me much because most of the time I'm at wifi, my music is already with me (at home or at work). | 02:09 |
| timeless | to be fair, that's over closer to 8 years | 02:10 |
| timeless | and i only have 3 months | 02:10 |
| zerojay | Hehehe. | 02:10 |
| timeless | but there are at least 10 products in this stupid phone | 02:10 |
| timeless | and i'm fairly certain i could find at least 10, probably closer to 100 bugs per app | 02:10 |
| zerojay | My company's bugzilla's at 15k.. and I think I own about 2k of it. | 02:10 |
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| zerojay | And I haven't filed a bug in over 8 months. | 02:10 |
| timeless | heh | 02:10 |
| pc_speaker | My bugzilla is biggers than yours! | 02:11 |
| timeless | i file in spurts | 02:11 |
| pc_speaker | :) | 02:11 |
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| timeless | pc_speaker: that's a fun one | 02:11 |
| timeless | at this point, the group w/ the best chance, afaict is sun | 02:11 |
| timeless | if they export a significant portion of their bugtracker, they win | 02:11 |
| derf | lardman|back: I wish I had more time to help with Vorbis. | 02:11 |
| derf | How far did you get? | 02:12 |
| pc_speaker | Extreme programming is when no bugs are fixed. | 02:12 |
| * timeless prefers when no bugs are found | 02:12 | |
| zerojay | It's amazing how many crappy proprietary custom bug databases there are out there. | 02:12 |
| timeless | but the sun people objected to zarro boogs | 02:12 |
| timeless | they were afraid their customers wouldn't get it | 02:12 |
| zerojay | timeless: We changed that too because not most people using ours aren't native english speakers and wouldn't understand. | 02:13 |
| zerojay | Quips off also. | 02:13 |
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| timeless | yeah, i told them to at least moderate quips and probably set quips to off by default | 02:13 |
| timeless | zerojay: you still owe me a list of customizations :) | 02:13 |
| zerojay | Oooh.. right. | 02:13 |
| zerojay | Forgot about that. | 02:13 |
| timeless | i really need to make some sort of survey form system | 02:14 |
| zerojay | The main thing that's customized is the main buglist. | 02:14 |
| timeless | preferably in some way that people can run a script and get the answers | 02:14 |
| zerojay | I like ours so much more than the standard bugzilla look. | 02:14 |
| timeless | then review the answers to verify there's nothing confidential | 02:14 |
| timeless | and then submit them | 02:14 |
| zerojay | Let me see if I've got a picture somewhere. | 02:14 |
| * timeless ponders | 02:14 | |
| timeless | i need to try to find a query that looks for people who have filed bugs in >X products | 02:15 |
| * timeless suspects that isn't possible | 02:15 | |
| timeless | db48x? :) | 02:15 |
| pc_speaker | And then kill all of them? :) | 02:15 |
| timeless | for most X, i think i'm in the set | 02:16 |
| timeless | since i've filed bugs in 25 (?) | 02:16 |
| lardman|back | drat, I've stumbled back upon an old error I'd forgotten about | 02:16 |
| lardman|back | http://www.ginac.de/pipermail/cln-list/2007-February/000269.html | 02:16 |
| db48x | timeless: I don't think that's possible with the query ui | 02:17 |
| lopz | brb | 02:17 |
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| * timeless nods | 02:17 | |
| db48x | wouldn't be difficult with sql, of course | 02:17 |
| timeless | kinda obscure thing to want to do, of course | 02:17 |
| pc_speaker | We need the Black Team for testing... | 02:17 |
| timeless | ? | 02:17 |
| lardman|back | night night chaps | 02:18 |
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| timeless | i'd settle for a team that actually makes sure things like the vkb work | 02:18 |
| pc_speaker | "Finding the last bug was hard, but some testers were better than others. The company formed a group of these particular talented testers and gave them the charter to do final testing on critical software before it was sent to the customers. Thus was born the legendary Black Team." | 02:18 |
| pc_speaker | http://a.mongers.org/clueful/20020402-peopleware-blackteam | 02:18 |
| db48x | find test | perl -le 'print foreach grep { $_ ne "" } map { chomp; split "/"; $d = join "/", @_[0..$#_-2]; $f = $_[-1]; $_ if (-f "$d/$f") } <>;' | 02:18 |
| db48x | oh, wrong window | 02:19 |
| pc_speaker | Wow online sex! :) | 02:19 |
| timeless | > For a while, the company put its efforts into training the customers to make them more tolerant of bugs. | 02:19 |
| pc_speaker | That is how unixoids make love... | 02:19 |
| pc_speaker | find test | perl -le 'print foreach grep { $_ ne "" } map { chomp; split "/"; $d = join "/", @_[0..$#_-2]; $f = $_[-1]; $_ if (-f "$d/$f") } <>;' | 02:19 |
| zerojay | timeless: Maemo's bugzilla is what... 2.20? | 02:19 |
| db48x | hah, tolerant of bugs | 02:20 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2265&ctype=xml | 02:20 |
| timeless | <bugzilla version="2.22.1-debian2" urlbase="https://bugs.maemo.org/" maintainer="bugzilla@maemo.org" exporter="timeless@gmail.com"> | 02:20 |
| * timeless likes how the version isn't compatible | 02:20 | |
| * timeless grumbles | 02:20 | |
| * timeless is pretty sure that's broken | 02:20 | |
| timeless | (there are other ways to ask bugzilla, but that is one you might not know about) | 02:21 |
| pc_speaker | In Soviet Russia Bugzilla asks for you :) | 02:22 |
| db48x | bitten by another debianism? | 02:22 |
| timeless | yes | 02:22 |
| timeless | hrm | 02:22 |
| timeless | did debian fix bookmarks.html | 02:22 |
| daniels | well, they've presumably made enough modifications and applied enough patches such that 2.22.1-debian2 is just as compatible with 2.22.1 as 2.22.0 | 02:23 |
| timeless | it should say <!DOCTYPE NETSCAPE-Bookmark-file-1-debian> | 02:23 |
| zerojay | i think we're on 2.22.0 at work. Pushing to jump to 3. | 02:23 |
| db48x | timeless: heh | 02:24 |
| db48x | yea, I've been trying to get ours upgraded too | 02:24 |
| timeless | daniels: do you usually change file formats when you fork? | 02:24 |
| timeless | i mean, if you took libpng | 02:24 |
| timeless | and maid libdpng | 02:24 |
| db48x | haha | 02:24 |
| daniels | timeless: do you usually change file formats in a patch revision? :) | 02:24 |
| timeless | with the primary change being branding | 02:24 |
| db48x | I could see debian doing that | 02:24 |
| timeless | db48x: clearly, i *do* see debian doing that | 02:25 |
| db48x | yea | 02:25 |
| db48x | what did they change in bookmarks.html, exactly? | 02:25 |
| timeless | db48x: hopefully nothing | 02:25 |
| pc_speaker | They are trying to get Ubuntu behind :) | 02:25 |
| timeless | but functionally what they did to bugzilla is equivalent | 02:25 |
| db48x | ah, I see | 02:25 |
| daniels | timeless: my point is that if 2.22.0 and 2.22.1 are incompatible, you're doing something wrong anyway. so, either your version field is bonghits and you need to sort it out by actually using a proper format field and not the version, or your file format strategy is bonghits and you need to sort it out. | 02:26 |
| timeless | and had it been <!DOCTYPE FIREFOX-Bookmark-file-2> | 02:26 |
| timeless | what would they have done? | 02:26 |
| * timeless cries | 02:27 | |
| timeless | i'm still getting lotto spam @gmail | 02:28 |
| * zeenix points daniels towards the clock | 02:28 | |
| pc_speaker | Is it new context spam? :) | 02:28 |
| timeless | zeenix: it's only 2.30am | 02:28 |
| pc_speaker | Same here :) | 02:28 |
| * timeless tries to remember what time daniels was convinced to sleep yesetrday | 02:28 | |
| pc_speaker | Sleeping is overrated. | 02:29 |
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| pc_speaker | Sunday is the day for it :) | 02:29 |
| timeless | ok, daniels/zeenix/someone | 02:29 |
| timeless | i need a sanity check | 02:29 |
| timeless | this code has some defines, is it unreasonable for me to paste them? | 02:30 |
| daniels | shit, is it 2:30am? | 02:30 |
| timeless | yes | 02:30 |
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| daniels | timeless: what sort of defines? | 02:30 |
| * svu cannot wait for n810 availability.... | 02:31 | |
| svu | daniels, hi:) | 02:31 |
| daniels | svu: evening :) | 02:31 |
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| shacka1 | whoa | 02:32 |
| shacka1 | android wins | 02:32 |
| shacka1 | hands down :( | 02:33 |
| pc_speaker | Very interesting time for mobile development... Androing and iPhone SDK in february... | 02:34 |
| pc_speaker | Will join Windows Mobile and Symbian... | 02:34 |
| pc_speaker | And RIP Palm. | 02:34 |
| pc_speaker | You was good thing before... | 02:34 |
| shacka1 | I just found some palm code in the sdk btw :) | 02:34 |
| pc_speaker | Hope it's not unicode support :) | 02:35 |
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| lopz | re | 02:36 |
| shacka1 | nope, it's the IPC mechanism they bought from BeOS but never put into production (and it was a real shame) | 02:36 |
| pc_speaker | Built in media playes doesn't display russian mp3 tags properly... | 02:36 |
| pc_speaker | And Kanola too... | 02:36 |
| pc_speaker | This is annoying. | 02:36 |
| pc_speaker | Anyone has the solution? | 02:37 |
| * svu +1 pc_speaker | 02:37 | |
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| pc_speaker | BeOS... They did a nice try. | 02:39 |
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| pc_speaker | BeBox was fun computer. | 02:39 |
| pc_speaker | Anyone knows where are the roots of Nokia tablets? | 02:41 |
| timeless | eh? | 02:41 |
| pc_speaker | Whose idea it was? | 02:41 |
| deejoe | / | 02:41 |
| deejoe | ;-) | 02:41 |
| timeless | not i :) | 02:41 |
| deejoe | hold on | 02:41 |
| pc_speaker | Nokia had some shame based on s90 whick looked like tablet... | 02:41 |
| timeless | the 770 ui specs are derived from s90 | 02:42 |
| pc_speaker | 770 predecessor :) | 02:42 |
| timeless | but if you're asking whose idea it was... that's different than where the bad ideas came from :) | 02:42 |
| svu | is s80 dead completely? | 02:42 |
| pc_speaker | s90 is dead now... | 02:42 |
| svu | it was promising... | 02:42 |
| timeless | not quite dead yet, afaiu | 02:42 |
| pc_speaker | And s80 too... | 02:42 |
| timeless | 9300is still ship | 02:42 |
| procto | I wonder who hard it is to have to a symbian emulator running on the n800? | 02:43 |
| deejoe | oh, not that kind of root | 02:43 |
| procto | there's some s60 software that would be nice to have on the n800 | 02:43 |
| timeless | wht do you mean emulator? | 02:43 |
| timeless | wine like? | 02:43 |
| pc_speaker | It will ruin nokia business :) | 02:43 |
| svu | timeless, "still ships" = "yesterday". "dead" = "no future models" | 02:43 |
| procto | I wasn't being specific on purpose :> | 02:43 |
| timeless | because there isn't enough cpu power to do qemu style... | 02:43 |
| procto | I meant "whatever might work to have s60 apps run on IT devices" | 02:43 |
| timeless | "java" | 02:44 |
| pc_speaker | Cobol :) | 02:44 |
| procto | are they mostly java? | 02:44 |
| timeless | a sizable portion of s60 apps are java | 02:44 |
| pc_speaker | C++ | 02:44 |
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| timeless | so get java, and you can have them | 02:44 |
| pc_speaker | Are you sure? | 02:44 |
| procto | that's another thing the n800 needs :> | 02:44 |
| timeless | writing a symbian portability layer would be more painful | 02:44 |
| pc_speaker | I thought s60 is all about C++... | 02:44 |
| procto | I mean, heck, the cpu is supposed to have java optimizations and stuff | 02:45 |
| timeless | i just installed a couple of java apps on my brand new n81 8gb | 02:45 |
| czr | procto, there's no support for the 'java optimizations and stuff' in maemo | 02:45 |
| pc_speaker | Slow as hell? | 02:45 |
| procto | czr: I know | 02:45 |
| czr | it's not entirely unproblematic too | 02:45 |
| czr | ah, ok | 02:45 |
| procto | :> | 02:45 |
| procto | I just wish that wasn't the case | 02:45 |
| timeless | daniels: so um... how is one supposed to "officially" build the kernel? | 02:46 |
| timeless | it's not part of the normal build infrastructure | 02:46 |
| timeless | which means my primary xref doesn't have it | 02:46 |
| daniels | timeless: git clone git://ok/osso/git/linux-mumble, then make nokia_2420_defconfig | 02:47 |
| daniels | replace mumble with a word ending in e | 02:47 |
| czr | evil | 02:47 |
| * timeless nods | 02:47 | |
| daniels | czr: _ending_ | 02:47 |
| timeless | i have that in an xref | 02:47 |
| czr | evile | 02:47 |
| daniels | timeless: right, then just make nokia_2420_defconfig && make, to build it | 02:47 |
| czr | evil and vile combined. | 02:47 |
| timeless | czr: vile ends in e, evil doesn't | 02:48 |
| pc_speaker | Don't be eval() | 02:48 |
| * czr signs | 02:48 | |
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| czr | should get some sleep though. | 02:48 |
| czr | timeless, I'll bug you with browser bugs then I guess | 02:48 |
| czr | getting a 810 tomorrow methinks | 02:48 |
| hircus | procto: there's a Newton emulator, though | 02:48 |
| hircus | czr: tomorrow? | 02:48 |
| _Monkey | tomorrow is fine, just as the next week and... | 02:48 |
| czr | hircus, yes. | 02:48 |
| hircus | when did it come out? | 02:49 |
| timeless | _monkey forget tomorrow | 02:49 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot tomorrow | 02:49 |
| timeless | _monkey tomorrow is <reply> | 02:49 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 02:49 |
| czr | afaik it didn't hircus. | 02:49 |
| hircus | ah. developer discount? I thought you guys get it at the same time | 02:49 |
| hircus | or.. you're a Nokia employee | 02:49 |
| procto | hircus: I saw that | 02:49 |
| czr | I don't qualify for dev discount. | 02:49 |
| svu | hircus, the promo codes are already broadcasted. so it is only matter of availability in the web shops:) | 02:50 |
| timeless | broadcasted? | 02:50 |
| timeless | drivers/media/radio/ | 02:51 |
| * timeless goes reading | 02:51 | |
| svu | well, sent to the respective developers:) | 02:51 |
| hircus | timeless: emailed, actually | 02:51 |
| timeless | that's different | 02:51 |
| hircus | svu: yup. the Maemo SDK release announcement said the devices are being sent to distribution channels | 02:51 |
| hircus | would love to know exactly when, though. this friday? next week? | 02:51 |
| svu | hircus, so, checking nokia site every 15 mins;) | 02:51 |
| hircus | hopefully before the Thanksgiving break | 02:51 |
| hircus | svu: yeah, that might work. threaten them with a Slashdot-esque DDOS if they don't announce a date :) | 02:52 |
| svu | hircus, :)) precisely | 02:52 |
| * timeless frowns | 02:52 | |
| timeless | http://www.google.com/search?q=TEA5761_TNCTRL_BLIM&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 02:52 |
| timeless | is it me, or do not all drivers agree on the value for that ? | 02:52 |
| czr | i'd expect nokia.com is well prepared against such things | 02:52 |
| czr | timeless, either a byte offset or endianess problem? | 02:53 |
| elb | yeah, I'm hoping to get my 810 before I hare off to Siberia | 02:53 |
| hircus | timeless: maybe the lower 4 bits don't matter | 02:53 |
| timeless | czr: did nokia.com/press ever fix its stupid rss? | 02:53 |
| elb | ideally, in time to get everything working before I go | 02:53 |
| timeless | czr: endianess i suppose... | 02:54 |
| hircus | elb: Siberia -- oil job? | 02:54 |
| czr | timeless, rss? don't know. my beef was with the title of rhapsody | 02:54 |
| elb | hircus: no, family | 02:54 |
| timeless | czr: they fixed that one :) | 02:54 |
| czr | and seriously, I don't know/care. | 02:54 |
| elb | (who do have oil jobs) | 02:54 |
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| czr | ah, ok | 02:54 |
| timeless | http://www.nokia.com/pressrss/rss.xml | 02:54 |
| timeless | no longer has the test entry.... | 02:54 |
| czr | ah, that one. tee-hee :-) | 02:54 |
| hircus | elb: ah. anywhere near where they're doing the Winter Olympics -- Sochi, was it? | 02:55 |
| timeless | ~yes, we did that intentionally last friday~ | 02:55 |
| timeless | ~you did what~!~ | 02:55 |
| czr | heh timeless | 02:55 |
| czr | that's what production systems are for. | 02:55 |
| timeless | seriously, i called them and asked.... | 02:55 |
| timeless | that was pretty much what they said | 02:55 |
| elb | hircus: "near" is *entirely* relative in Siberia ;-) | 02:55 |
| czr | timeless, I've seen worse though | 02:55 |
| hircus | elb: very true. one day by train = near? | 02:55 |
| elb | though Sochi is actually in the European portion of Russia | 02:56 |
| elb | I'll be going just East of the Urals -- probably a full day or more by train from Sochi | 02:56 |
| hircus | elb: ah | 02:56 |
| czr | timeless, lost production capacity in one company because some idiot decided to install some reporting package on one db machine and that whole machine broke down (sw-wise) | 02:56 |
| czr | timeless, and they never even told anyone what they were doing and just left off for a vacation. you can imagine the surprise next monday | 02:56 |
| czr | it was interesting to fix the system though | 02:57 |
| czr | but I think now would be a very fruitful moment for me to retire for the night. | 02:57 |
| czr | night -> | 02:57 |
| * timeless wonders what this is http://www.google.com/search?q=TEA5761_TNCTRL_HLSI&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 02:57 | |
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| daniels | if only the sources were public | 03:04 |
| timeless | for which? radio? | 03:04 |
| daniels | yeah | 03:04 |
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| daniels | (sarcasm) | 03:05 |
| daniels | (sleep) | 03:05 |
| timeless | from memory, certain pieces of the code were really ugly :) | 03:05 |
| * timeless looked about a year ago :) | 03:05 | |
| daniels | yeesh! still are. | 03:05 |
| daniels | that driver was just written by the hw guys, which shows. | 03:06 |
| timeless | i'm not commenting on that :) | 03:06 |
| timeless | oh, and i'm talking about the client, not the driver | 03:06 |
| elb | never give an engineer a compiler ;-) | 03:06 |
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| timeless | ,me chuckles | 03:07 |
| * timeless chuckles | 03:07 | |
| timeless | every time i look for anything radio related, i hit garage/mplayer/trunk/stream/tvi_v4l2.c | 03:08 |
| timeless | hrm | 03:09 |
| timeless | so something can be mono, stereo, or lang1 or lang2 | 03:09 |
| timeless | but it can't be lang1+stereo? | 03:09 |
| timeless | daniels; ok, um | 03:11 |
| timeless | unless i'm missing something, this isn't possible | 03:11 |
| timeless | oh heh | 03:12 |
| pc_speaker | Bye everyone :) | 03:12 |
| * timeless likes that | 03:13 | |
| timeless | the first hit was "Compile tested only" | 03:13 |
| pc_speaker | Maybe sleep is not so bad idea... | 03:13 |
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| timeless | 164 div = (1000 * (frq * 4 / 16 + 700 + 225) ) >> 15; | 03:22 |
| timeless | 165 buffer[1] = (div >> 8) & 0x3f; | 03:22 |
| timeless | 166 buffer[2] = div & 0xff; | 03:22 |
| * timeless tries to figure out what that does | 03:22 | |
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| timeless | oh | 03:25 |
| timeless | that's funny | 03:25 |
| timeless | - Taken from maemo.org N800 kernel package. | 03:26 |
| timeless | what's the point of sending a patch based on what nokia published? | 03:26 |
| zerojay | timeless: Is that from the fm radio player? | 03:27 |
| daniels | timeless: to get it into the mainline kernel | 03:27 |
| timeless | daniels: but shouldn't whomever wrote it push it | 03:27 |
| daniels | yes, but he moved on | 03:27 |
| timeless | instead of someone saying what looks like ~i took this from a source release~ | 03:28 |
| daniels | he wasn't with the company anymore, and i guess no-one else picked up the slack | 03:28 |
| timeless | hrm | 03:29 |
| timeless | one more question before i go home | 03:29 |
| timeless | is it safe to assume the n800 doesn't have japanese regulatory approval to operate its radio in their airspace? | 03:29 |
| zerojay | That's possible. | 03:30 |
| zerojay | I would say it's safe since they never released over there, I don't think. | 03:30 |
| zerojay | WONTFIX. :D | 03:30 |
| timeless | i'm writing a detailed comment | 03:30 |
| timeless | but practically speaking, based on my reading, you can't do it w/ the kernel driver we shipped | 03:31 |
| timeless | the relevant bit doesn't seem to be twiddlable | 03:31 |
| timeless | afaict, the mainline code has been rewritten | 03:31 |
| timeless | and i can not parse it at all :) | 03:31 |
| timeless | (that was the earlier stuff) | 03:31 |
| timeless | weren't you supposed to sleep? :) | 03:33 |
| timeless | daniels: who owns kernel bugs? :) | 03:35 |
| ds3 | is the radio wired up so 'arecord' can record the radio? | 03:37 |
| pupnik | irc can create a zombielike state similar to playing an RPG or watching television | 03:37 |
| derf | I know people who IRC while playing WoW and watching TV. | 03:38 |
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| timeless | ok, very long comment posted to the fmradio bug | 03:58 |
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| * zerojay goes to read. | 03:58 | |
| ds3 | is the audio from the FM radio accessible from ALSA in anyway? | 03:59 |
| timeless | google? | 03:59 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too | 03:59 |
| ds3 | been googling | 03:59 |
| ds3 | everyone says there is a FM radio... no one has commented on how it is hooked up :( | 03:59 |
| timeless | read the bug report i commented in | 04:00 |
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| timeless | it has moderately detailed bits | 04:00 |
| ds3 | how do I get to those? | 04:00 |
| timeless | google? | 04:00 |
| _Monkey | google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too | 04:00 |
| timeless | _monkey google =~ s/\/your/ | 04:00 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless | 04:00 |
| timeless | google? | 04:00 |
| _Monkey | i heard google was my friend and you should make it youryour friend too | 04:00 |
| timeless | _monkey google =~ s/youryour/your/ | 04:00 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless | 04:00 |
| timeless | google? | 04:00 |
| _Monkey | well, google is my friend and you should make it your friend too | 04:00 |
| timeless | _monkey literal google | 04:01 |
| _Monkey | timeless: google =is= _Monkey's friend and you should make it your friend too | 04:01 |
| timeless | good bot | 04:01 |
| shacka1 | timeless: it's your new shiny toy? | 04:01 |
| timeless | which? | 04:01 |
| timeless | _monkey is anything but shiny | 04:01 |
| timeless | and it's certainly not new | 04:01 |
| shacka1 | that leaves toy | 04:01 |
| timeless | kick toy? | 04:01 |
| timeless | kinda, but i can't remember how to kill it | 04:01 |
| l7 | http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=experiences,world24h | 04:02 |
| timeless | oh, heh. i just realized that _monkey's friend is google :) | 04:02 |
| shacka1 | maybe one day IT will remember | 04:02 |
| shacka1 | I don't want to be around then.. | 04:02 |
| * timeless wonders what media streamer is | 04:03 | |
| zerojay | It's a upnp client, I believe. | 04:04 |
| zerojay | Only supports audio. | 04:04 |
| zerojay | Rhapsody is based upon it. | 04:04 |
| zerojay | (Same UI) | 04:04 |
| timeless | zerojay: actually, i'm more interested in this other one | 04:07 |
| timeless | whose name i won't mention | 04:07 |
| timeless | since i can't find a public reference for it :) | 04:07 |
| zerojay | Boo, you're no fun. :) | 04:07 |
| timeless | hey, i wrote a one screenful comment at around 4am | 04:07 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that's an accomplishment. | 04:08 |
| zerojay | And it made sense. | 04:08 |
| timeless | hopefully w/ limited numbers of typos :) | 04:08 |
| * shacka1 check the clock | 04:08 | |
| shacka1 | oh crap | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody know what's in the Rhapsody 2.1 update? | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just the meta package, and seems to be missing the rest of its parts. | 04:19 |
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| timeless | how much music would you expect for ~17usd? | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | More than I get for $12.99 USD? | 04:23 |
| * timeless chuckles | 04:23 | |
| timeless | what do you get for $13? | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rhapsody | 04:23 |
| _Monkey | Rhapsody is a limitation by real, not nokia | 04:23 |
| timeless | grr | 04:23 |
| * timeless kicks _monkey | 04:23 | |
| timeless | search for the vmware image | 04:24 |
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| timeless | good dead bot | 04:24 |
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| timeless | search for the vmware image | 04:25 |
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| timeless | kick toy! | 04:25 |
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| timeless | _monkey forget rhapsody | 04:25 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot rhapsody | 04:25 |
| timeless | is $13 a month subscription? | 04:31 |
| * timeless never paid for rhapsody | 04:31 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, timeless. | 04:32 |
| timeless | so, one album for $17, or one month of happiness for $13 | 04:32 |
| timeless | wow | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Albums are $10-15 around here. | 04:33 |
| timeless | here is UK (8GBP) | 04:33 |
| zerojay | timeless: AHAH! That's how you kill the thing! | 04:36 |
| timeless | one of a couple of ways | 04:37 |
| timeless | it was the first way google reminded me of | 04:37 |
| ds3 | google is too contaminated thesedays | 04:37 |
| timeless | iirc it's typically "find an infobot verb that is misconfigured/disabled" | 04:37 |
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| l7 | ds how is google contaminated? | 04:44 |
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| |R | http://research.nokia.com/people/karim_seada <- i wish they'd release something about their mesh (wireless peer-to-peer) network | 05:02 |
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| ds3 | l7: it is a cesspool of links to vendors hawking their goods | 05:04 |
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| ds3 | 80% of the time I search for something, the first 100 or so links are all: nextag, globalspec, ebay, and sites with random garbage design to match almost anything | 05:05 |
| ds3 | the useful searches require a long list of -'s to remove the garage | 05:06 |
| ds3 | garbage | 05:06 |
| zerojay | Maybe I search for different stuff than you do, but I think I've only had to use - maybe three times in the last year. | 05:06 |
| zerojay | And most of the stuff I want is on the first page. | 05:06 |
| ds3 | must be | 05:06 |
| ds3 | most of my searches are for things that I want info on, not a vendor, esp. not a vendor that just relist stuff w/o added info | 05:07 |
| ds3 | and to make it worse, google is intentionally doing a fuzzy match; if I said stamp, I don't want links relating to stamps or any other spellings of that. and yes, I know about the advance search features and all that | 05:08 |
| ds3 | but enough complaining | 05:08 |
| l7 | yeah, google's been making a lot of ad revenue | 05:09 |
| ds3 | and going down hill as far as being useful | 05:09 |
| |R | ds3 : i agree that as soon as you search for hardware info / review, you only end up finding crap stores and eBay :/ | 05:09 |
| |R | ds3 : but for the rest, as zerojay said, i usually have a hit in the top10 that suits my needs | 05:10 |
| ds3 | del.icio.us is another one of those big contaminators | 05:10 |
| |R | oh yeas | 05:10 |
| |R | tag festival | 05:10 |
| ds3 | |R: depends on how obscure what you want is | 05:10 |
| |R | ds3 indeed | 05:10 |
| penguinbait | its funny, I used to think of google as an underdog | 05:10 |
| ds3 | I do not need hits 20 hits that all refer to that one single link | 05:10 |
| |R | let's got back to altavista haha ;) | 05:10 |
| penguinbait | now their as big as microsoft | 05:10 |
| ds3 | google used to have a useful search engine that searched for what you wanted not what someones thinks you wanted | 05:11 |
| |R | penguinbait : not in terms of employee or mass yet, but soon :) | 05:11 |
| * |R trying to find that | 05:11 | |
| |R | oops | 05:12 |
| * |R trying to find that OLSR Pro Active AutoConfig plugin :| | 05:12 | |
| pupnik | it would be nice to have a fifo writeable /dev/sdp | 05:20 |
| pupnik | dsp | 05:20 |
| pupnik | non-blocking of course :) | 05:21 |
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| TPC | when it comes to google, I see it like this: | 05:33 |
| TPC | they used to be a search engine company | 05:33 |
| TPC | now they're an advertising company | 05:33 |
| |R | yep | 05:36 |
| pupnik | Delivering the most useful 'advertising' ever. | 05:37 |
| pupnik | search engine, maps, office apps, collaborative apps etc | 05:37 |
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| ds3 | advertising is useful as mind alterdrugs | 06:15 |
| ds3 | Just say NO to ad pushers | 06:15 |
| |R | choose your own ads | 06:19 |
| |R | hehe | 06:19 |
| |R | I like the Steve Mann's idea of filtering reality ;) | 06:19 |
| * |R wonders if he could get around the OLSR IP distribution problem by using IPv6 proactive autoconfiguration with the MAC of the device... does the n8x0 has ipv6 support? | 06:21 | |
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| pupnik | http://transmetropolitan.org:8080/ some cool projects (very) | 06:41 |
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| timeless | so, fwiw | 06:48 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ | 06:48 |
| timeless | should now have the latest chinook cross referenced | 06:49 |
| |R | :) | 06:49 |
| * timeless sent ~900mb of data to add the updated chinook | 06:49 | |
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| Syntra | Hey guys | 07:27 |
| Syntra | I'm looking to see if anyone knows if the "Apple Wireless Pro Keyboard" is compatible with the N800? | 07:27 |
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| |R | Syntra : if it's HID it should? | 07:34 |
| Syntra | Theres the thing | 07:35 |
| Syntra | I'm not sure if its HID | 07:35 |
| |R | i think i saw some talking about it on internettablettalk | 07:35 |
| |R | check it :) | 07:35 |
| Syntra | Yeah, I'm searching for it right now | 07:35 |
| Syntra | In the topic about Apple's new keyboard someone said the old one is | 07:36 |
| Syntra | But I'm not sure if they meant the Wireless Pro | 07:36 |
| Syntra | I'd like to be 100% sure before buying | 07:36 |
| |R | i don't know :( | 07:36 |
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| cofeineSunshine | good morning | 07:37 |
| cofeineSunshine | cat i install maemo into handalds like hp ipaq h2200 | 07:37 |
| cofeineSunshine | ? | 07:37 |
| cofeineSunshine | *can | 07:37 |
| timeless | not out of some box.... | 07:38 |
| cofeineSunshine | but it is posible? | 07:39 |
| cofeineSunshine | cool! | 07:39 |
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| timeless | well, some portion of maemo is open source | 07:39 |
| timeless | so if you can port whichever pieces are needed... | 07:40 |
| timeless | the question i'd ask is: "is it worth it?" | 07:40 |
| timeless | you can pick up 770s/n800s for fairly cheap | 07:40 |
| vegai | Syntra: don't you have a random linux box you could try that on? | 07:40 |
| lopz | me voy a dormir :) | 07:41 |
| vegai | bon nuit! | 07:41 |
| |R | hehe | 07:41 |
| |R | bonne nuit :) | 07:41 |
| vegai | oh, bonne. | 07:41 |
| |R | yeah don't ask ;) | 07:41 |
| cofeineSunshine | i have ipaq handheld, but familiar-os is heap of crap;/ | 07:41 |
| lopz | bye | 07:42 |
| vegai | the night is so feminine... | 07:42 |
| |R | hehe | 07:42 |
| |R | une journée... le jour ... go figure | 07:42 |
| Syntra | Sorry, was talking to my brother. | 07:43 |
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| Syntra | Vegai: Yeah, why? | 07:43 |
| Syntra | I run Ubuntu | 07:43 |
| Syntra | I'd just rather like to know if it'll work before I buy it. | 07:43 |
| Syntra | I think wikipedia just answered my question | 07:49 |
| Syntra | Apparently there are only two Apple Bluetooth keyboards | 07:50 |
| Syntra | And since one guy said that the Apples Previous Bluetooth keyboard would work with the N800 | 07:50 |
| Syntra | He was therefore referring to the Apple Wireless Pro Keyboard, which I have the intent of purchasing. | 07:51 |
| vegai | I mean... if it works on your random linux box, it most probably works on the N800, no? | 07:52 |
| vegai | btw, does the N810 have hardware opengl? | 07:53 |
| Syntra | Vegai: I have yet to purchase it, is the thing. | 07:54 |
| vegai | Syntra: ohh, ok. | 07:55 |
| Syntra | Another confirmation: | 07:55 |
| Syntra | I currently use the last-gen apple BT with my n800 | 07:55 |
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| pupnik_ | can't wait to try fceu with the N810 | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | vegai: no it does not | 08:07 |
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| kulve | vegai: yes it still does, but no drivers, so the hw is useless. | 09:03 |
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| vegai | kulve: that's silly. | 09:08 |
| vegai | are they trying? | 09:08 |
| kulve | Nokia hasn't made any statement about that | 09:09 |
| L0cutus | <Syntra> I currently use the last-gen apple BT with my n800 | 09:13 |
| L0cutus | have you the bug #2166 ? | 09:13 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2166 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2166 | 09:13 |
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| pupnik_ | http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp OpenGL benchmark on portable devices | 09:29 |
| vegai | can we deduce something from that? | 09:30 |
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| vegai | does the N8xx have a similar chip? | 09:30 |
| vegai | as the N9x | 09:30 |
| pupnik_ | the dell axim has a powervr mbx but a different memory bus than omap2420 - the newer nokias are 2420 based but lower resolution | 09:31 |
| kulve | vegai: it's the same | 09:31 |
| vegai | ok, well that's promising | 09:32 |
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| pupnik_ | ain't nobody promising nuthin :) | 09:32 |
| pupnik_ | the powervr demo videos do look pretty nice | 09:33 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/products/Graphics/MBX/index.asp | 09:35 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:43 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/gallery/ Nokia N810 gallery (flash, music) | 10:56 |
| inz | "Please install flash(r) and turn on javascript" - boo | 10:57 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:05 |
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| bedboi | what's up on planet maemo | 11:21 |
| bedboi | ? | 11:21 |
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| Jaffa | bedboi: I guess Colin's feed has just been added or created and imported all his entries as having been created "now" | 11:34 |
| bedboi | lol, today i felt to be in a nightmare | 11:34 |
| bedboi | i just woke up, turned on my laptop as the first-as-usual-thing-to-do-in-the-morning | 11:35 |
| bedboi | i pointed to planet maemo, and it felt like living in the past | 11:36 |
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| Jaffa | Yeah, very annoying. Might've missed something interesting. | 11:36 |
| unique311 | hello | 11:37 |
| unique311 | found this on ITT | 11:37 |
| unique311 | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/index.html | 11:37 |
| unique311 | POSE isn't needed anymore.. | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, I've got the tab open but not got to it yet. It sounds intriguing from the ITT description | 11:38 |
| unique311 | how isn't this on maemo.org | 11:38 |
| unique311 | 30,000+ os apps | 11:38 |
| bedboi | closed source application. | 11:39 |
| unique311 | if it takes advantage of the internet connection...i will be very happy. | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | It suggests it does (for HotSync, at least - and presumably others) | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | Anyone tried it? | 11:41 |
| unique311 | bout to | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | I never got on with Palm OS, but there's bound to be loads of apps which would be helpful. | 11:42 |
| unique311 | will let you know how it goes | 11:42 |
| Jaffa | Remember OS/2's Windows compatibility killed it. | 11:42 |
| Veggen | The PALM PIM-applications were always quite good. | 11:42 |
| Jaffa | Meh, I found them lacking after my Psion's | 11:42 |
| Veggen | I used my trusty old Palm V for quite a while. | 11:42 |
| Veggen | (eh, Vx) | 11:42 |
| Veggen | and Palm III before that. | 11:42 |
| unique311 | screen size of the applications running still suck from the look on the screenshots | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | unique311: take lots of photos/screenshots if it works. | 11:43 |
| unique311 | k | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | It suggests you can rotate the screen to use the space better (hopefully) | 11:44 |
| unique311 | they even looked out for 770 owners. | 11:44 |
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| Jaffa | I wonder if it's going to be a commercial app, though | 11:45 |
| unique311 | you need to register to download... | 11:45 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 11:45 |
| Jaffa | Not got the email, yet. | 11:45 |
| unique311 | check ur spam folder, maybe | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | Ah, got it now. | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | Engadget have it: http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/13/virtual-palm-os-on-your-nokia-n-series-tablet-hoozah/ | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | Apparently going to be free when released non-beta, too. | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | Looking at the whitepaper, they're positioning it as a technology demo of their software stack for ISVs, OEMs etc. | 11:48 |
| unique311 | engadget crashed my browser when i was looking at it. | 11:48 |
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| milhouse | Access download page: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ | 11:50 |
| unique311 | milhouse, | 11:52 |
| unique311 | that doesn't work | 11:52 |
| milhouse | does for me... | 11:52 |
| X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Hmm massive N810 ad campaign on that page ;) 2 flash banners for N810.. | 11:52 |
| unique311 | you still need to provide the information in order to download | 11:52 |
| milhouse | ah, you mean to actually download it? | 11:52 |
| unique311 | yes | 11:52 |
| milhouse | right sorry was just providing a direct link rather than jump through numerous linked news articles :) | 11:53 |
| unique311 | mak | 11:53 |
| unique311 | ok | 11:53 |
| suihkulokki | hmm.. so now n800 is finally a pda when you install the palm env? :) | 11:53 |
| unique311 | yes | 11:53 |
| unique311 | well not really | 11:53 |
| unique311 | hopefully performance is much better than POSE | 11:53 |
| unique311 | if it is, i don't see why not | 11:54 |
| unique311 | need to fnd some free palm stuff to run | 11:54 |
| milhouse | garnet vm n800 deb: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb | 11:54 |
| unique311 | i'm impress, and i just started it. | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=4 allows you to get back to the planet entries before colin mulliner's :) | 11:55 |
| milhouse | garnet vm n770 deb: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n770.deb | 11:55 |
| unique311 | milhouse, that works. | 11:55 |
| unique311 | feed that link to monkey | 11:56 |
| unique311 | performance is sweet | 11:56 |
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| unique311 | am i the only one running this right now? | 11:57 |
| milhouse | garnetvm? | 11:57 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it garnetvm is available from Access, direct deb downloads 770: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n770.deb, N800 http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb and N810: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n810.deb | 11:57 |
| unique311 | lol | 11:57 |
| unique311 | nice | 11:57 |
| milhouse | doesn't look like it's been picked up on Palm Info Center (http://www.palminfocenter.com/) where all the Palm geeks hang out | 11:58 |
| milhouse | That knob Mike Caine hangs out there, no doubt he'll beat on Nokia | 11:58 |
| milhouse | he's still bitter over his free 770 | 11:58 |
| unique311 | responds much faster than POSE | 12:00 |
| unique311 | try to install some an app see how that goes. | 12:01 |
| Jaffa | unique311: need piccies. I've no device to play with until I get a couple of N810s | 12:01 |
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| unique311 | k | 12:02 |
| unique311 | after i install the app.. | 12:02 |
| unique311 | i will take pics | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | cool | 12:02 |
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| pupnik_ | unique, the screenshots don't show an onscreen keyboard from the palm, does it use the hildon keyboard to type? | 12:04 |
| unit42 | Dammit. Left my 770 at home... | 12:04 |
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| unique311 | hold on | 12:05 |
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| milhouse | when it says 770 I assume ACCESS are talking about OS2006 on 770? Anyone using OS2007HE should use the n800 deb? | 12:06 |
| unique311 | no keyboard while using apps | 12:06 |
| pupnik_ | so you use the jotter pad to enter text? | 12:06 |
| unique311 | right now testing out memopad | 12:06 |
| unique311 | yes | 12:07 |
| unique311 | or you can bring up the palm keybaord. | 12:07 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 12:07 |
| pupnik_ | this is great news | 12:07 |
| rwhitby | it seems to work well on my n800 | 12:08 |
| unique311 | same here | 12:08 |
| unique311 | fast | 12:08 |
| unique311 | trying to install an app | 12:08 |
| rwhitby | you can even choose compatibility with various palmos devices (e.g. treo650 vs tungsten) | 12:08 |
| maddler | nice... being able to run Palm apps on an IT sounds kinda nice... | 12:08 |
| rwhitby | it does graffitti too :-) | 12:08 |
| unique311 | i will post picts whe done | 12:08 |
| milhouse | Does anyone think Palm and ACCESS are trying to kill each other? | 12:08 |
| maddler | milhouse: who knows.. Palm seems to be acting in a kinda dumb way... | 12:09 |
| rwhitby | now I can transfer all the stuff over from my treo650 | 12:09 |
| milhouse | this move by ACCESS isn't great for Palm | 12:09 |
| pupnik_ | whoah, pose only went up to what...? | 12:09 |
| maddler | announcing new devices and OS every now and then... | 12:09 |
| inz | milhouse, and users of OS2008 on N800 should probably use the N810-deb | 12:09 |
| pupnik_ | the dragonball cpus | 12:09 |
| maddler | and then announcing they will be delayed... | 12:09 |
| milhouse | I always thought the move by Palm to develop their own Linux OS was two fingers to ACCESS | 12:09 |
| unique311 | 4 | 12:09 |
| unique311 | i think pupnik_ | 12:09 |
| milhouse | inz: yep, sadly not for another week or two :) | 12:09 |
| pupnik_ | yeah 4, 4.5 something like that and this does newer palm? | 12:10 |
| unique311 | not even | 12:10 |
| unique311 | 3.5 | 12:10 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 12:10 |
| milhouse | and this (Garnet) is 5? | 12:10 |
| unique311 | yes | 12:11 |
| milhouse | wierd - it doesn't do full screen | 12:12 |
| milhouse | wtf is "reformat storage" in settigns? | 12:12 |
| unique311 | lol | 12:12 |
| milhouse | s/settigns/settings/ | 12:12 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: wtf is "reformat storage" in settings? | 12:12 |
| unique311 | i wouldn't try that out yet. | 12:12 |
| inz | milhouse, I would guess it clears out any data stored by the apps | 12:13 |
| milhouse | apparently it's got an expiry date - 31 May 2008 | 12:13 |
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| milhouse | inz: you try it and let me know :) | 12:13 |
| milhouse | holy cow, just ran the prefs app - too wierd. might have looked better in landscape mode | 12:14 |
| unique311 | still beta. | 12:14 |
| inz | milhouse, seems to do nothing at all | 12:15 |
| milhouse | aye | 12:15 |
| milhouse | true | 12:15 |
| inz | oh sorry, it does | 12:15 |
| unique311 | staying away from anything that says format. | 12:15 |
| inz | It removed an event from the date book | 12:16 |
| inz | i.e. it removes any user data (and I guess apps too) | 12:16 |
| milhouse | lol, I can set the time format to 24 hours!! how sophisticated is that? :) | 12:16 |
| milhouse | oops, just crashed it | 12:16 |
| unique311 | installed an app | 12:17 |
| unique311 | first crash.. | 12:17 |
| unique311 | historic. | 12:18 |
| unique311 | cool | 12:18 |
| unique311 | i installed zuma..and its working. | 12:18 |
| unique311 | milhouse what are you running it on? | 12:19 |
| milhouse | N800 | 12:21 |
| milhouse | OS2007 | 12:21 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... OS2007 is better but needs more memory | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: forget OS2007 | 12:21 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot os2007 | 12:21 |
| milhouse | not really sure i'd ever use this though... | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: OS2007 is soon to be obsolete, replaced by OS2008 on the N800 and N810. | 12:22 |
| _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. | 12:22 |
| milhouse | i last used a Palm over 4 years ago | 12:22 |
| milhouse | original slidey Tungsten | 12:22 |
| milhouse | This emulator might be useful for anyone migrating from Palm to Nokia I guess | 12:23 |
| L0cutus | mmm it doesn't show in landscape mode | 12:23 |
| L0cutus | at least on my n800 | 12:23 |
| milhouse | 320x240 would translate nicely to 800x480 with black bars top and bottom in landscape mode | 12:24 |
| milhouse | l0cutus - portrait only it would seem | 12:24 |
| L0cutus | yes | 12:24 |
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| * unit42 just spread the word among our last Palm users here @work... :-) | 12:25 | |
| unit42 | Treos that are... | 12:25 |
| L0cutus | i think we have a (finally) good pim ? :D | 12:25 |
| milhouse | this vm seems to use hardly any cpu at all | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | ARM apps aren't emulated, according to the whitepaper | 12:26 |
| gla55_ | nice | 12:27 |
| milhouse | anyone installed any of the old 68K apps? | 12:27 |
| milhouse | or doesn't this vm come with the 68K emulation? | 12:27 |
| milhouse | i would understand if it didn't | 12:27 |
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| Jaffa | milhouse: according to the whitepaper, it does have a 68K emulation engine, using JIT-style recompilation techniques. | 12:31 |
| milhouse | nice | 12:31 |
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| milhouse | just looking at palmgear.com trying to find something interesting (and free) to download - good god there's a lot of tat on Palm! | 12:31 |
| unit42 | r0x0r | 12:31 |
| unique311 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/1999158588/ 1 screenshot of memopad | 12:32 |
| unique311 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/1998342079/in/photostream/ zuma running | 12:32 |
| unique311 | very fast | 12:32 |
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| unique311 | i did a short video of zuma running. | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | unique311: no option to use the screen in portrait mode, or non-full screen? | 12:32 |
| unique311 | nothing in settings. | 12:33 |
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| unit42 | Most of the Palm Apps had problems running on full screen on my good old T3. | 12:33 |
| milhouse | so much crap software on offer... everyone is catered for! | 12:34 |
| unit42 | They were unable to use the bigger screen. | 12:34 |
| unique311 | it does the default size of palm devices | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. But the pixel density on the NITs is so high, pixel doubling's pretty much going to be essential ;-/ | 12:35 |
| unique311 | did notice sound on zuma worked when i first ran it. | 12:35 |
| unique311 | but for the video i got no sound. | 12:35 |
| unique311 | it does sound. | 12:37 |
| unique311 | pupnik, it does games. | 12:37 |
| pupnik_ | i still like unique311's skins better http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/627954390/in/photostream | 12:37 |
| unique311 | you will see in the video... | 12:37 |
| unique311 | pretty damn fast | 12:37 |
| unique311 | can use them i think as a background. | 12:38 |
| unit42 | upload in progress? ;-) | 12:38 |
| unique311 | theirs an option under settings to change the background. | 12:38 |
| unique311 | yes | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 12:38 |
| unique311 | i had antishake on so it should be ok...i think | 12:39 |
| pupnik_ | this should get an entry in the big blogs - thoughtfix, ITT etc | 12:39 |
| unit42 | Aye! | 12:40 |
| unique311 | pretty sure he'll blog on about it. | 12:40 |
| unique311 | still early over here. | 12:40 |
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| unique311 | 20 minutes to 6 | 12:41 |
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| Jaffa | Thoughtfix already has. | 12:41 |
| unique311 | he's good | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/free-palmos-emulator-for-nokia-internet.html | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | It's just buried on pmo | 12:42 |
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| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjXeTtOlWgM | 12:45 |
| unique311 | not the best | 12:45 |
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| unique311 | i have that game on my ipod video, performs same way. | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | Do you not have a tripod? ;-) | 12:47 |
| unique311 | no | 12:48 |
| unique311 | but i think i was shaking it worse. | 12:48 |
| unique311 | its a pretty good camera | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | cool vid, ta. | 12:49 |
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| unique311 | i really dislike the expiration date. | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | Fairly standard for betas. Engadget says the real version won't cost either, so here's hoping. | 12:50 |
| unique311 | cool | 12:50 |
| unique311 | if they can take advantage of the screen on the devices..that would be a plus also | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, and the N810's hardware keyboard | 12:51 |
| pupnik_ | wow that's pretty fast | 12:51 |
| unique311 | zuma | 12:51 |
| unique311 | surprise how fast the game ran | 12:51 |
| unique311 | pose had lag. | 12:51 |
| unique311 | tested out a paint program on pose, that wasn't playing nice at all. | 12:52 |
| pupnik_ | i saw the screenshot | 12:52 |
| pupnik_ | gotta crash here - cheers all | 12:52 |
| unique311 | going to try it on this vm. | 12:52 |
| unique311 | so far no crashes here. | 12:53 |
| unique311 | you testing apps pupnik_ ? | 12:53 |
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| pupnik_ | no too sleepy | 12:56 |
| unique311 | just wondering why its crashing. | 12:57 |
| unique311 | no crash here yet. | 12:57 |
| pupnik_ | oh i meant like crash into bed | 12:57 |
| unique311 | ok | 12:57 |
| pupnik_ | oh btw the guy who works on abiword said it works great on os2008 | 12:58 |
| pupnik_ | and this other guy is working on printing support | 12:58 |
| pupnik_ | lots of good things coming | 12:58 |
| pupnik_ | nice budweiser drawing on your flickr site | 12:59 |
| pupnik_ | i haven't had the patience to try using colors like that yet | 13:00 |
| florian | good morning | 13:00 |
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| Jaffa | lo florian | 13:03 |
| unique311 | done on mtpaint pupnik_ | 13:04 |
| unique311 | still waiting on the dev on maemo.org to release a worth while version of faint. | 13:04 |
| unique311 | but i'm going to try a bunch of paint programs on garnet right now. | 13:04 |
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| josephus | im trying to flash a new kernel to my n800 but after the flasher sends the image the device boots up the old kernel | 13:06 |
| josephus | any idea why? | 13:06 |
| josephus | i used " flasher -f -k zImage " | 13:07 |
| kulve | josephus: sounds odd.. There really can't be two kernels.. | 13:08 |
| kulve | josephus: either the flashing fails, or you are flashing the old kernel.. | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/access-garnet-for-maemo-first-look.html too | 13:08 |
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| unique311 | stable video | 13:13 |
| unique311 | damn his good. | 13:13 |
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| kpel | hi all | 13:22 |
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| keesj | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/wiimote-hack-is-wireless-multitouch-tv-321329.php | 13:50 |
| keesj | pretty cool hack | 13:50 |
| keesj | and there are add for the n810 so I guess it is not to much off topic | 13:51 |
| keesj | it feels like we have not talked about real programming for a long time on irc | 13:52 |
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| Gubbe | I have a non-graphical app that needs to run a GMainLoop to poll for ConIcConnection signals, which it now does. However, it also needs to perform something else every n seconds. Before the ConIcConnection thing it would just nanosleep in between iterations, but now I apparently need to set up a timer that sends signals like ConIcConnection does. I'm having trouble discovering what timers I need to use for that. | 13:59 |
| Gubbe | Or am I an idiot for even trying to do it this way? | 13:59 |
| czr | hmm. is there a prebuild ssh-server deb for 810 somewhere? | 14:00 |
| czr | prebuilt even | 14:00 |
| derf | Gubbe: g_timeout_add | 14:01 |
| derf | http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.14/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-timeout-add | 14:01 |
| Gubbe | derf: ah, timeouts! I remember those were mentioned somewhere. Thank you! | 14:01 |
| derf | Yer welcome. | 14:02 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 14:26 |
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| visy | I just submitted my new project to garage | 14:40 |
| visy | it's a port of REminiscence for Maemo | 14:40 |
| visy | works 100% on N800, as far as I can see | 14:40 |
| visy | Flashback rules :) | 14:40 |
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| czr | hmm. pressing left in app manager doesn't "go back" | 14:44 |
| czr | why not? :-) | 14:44 |
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| czr | hmm. is there a way to get root account enabled without bothering to set the rd-mode? | 14:48 |
| acydlord | you can install becomeroot | 14:49 |
| czr | hmm. | 14:49 |
| Tak | on which OS? | 14:49 |
| czr | 2008 | 14:50 |
| Tak | could use ssh in 2007... | 14:50 |
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| czr | well. I installed openssh-server. trying to login as root/rootme. no go. sudo gainroot on the device complains about rd-mode. | 14:50 |
| Khertan | os 2008 :) | 14:52 |
| Khertan | on the sdk ? | 14:52 |
| czr | no. on 810. | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 14:52 |
| mgedmin | ssh root@localhost used to work on os2007 | 14:52 |
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| czr | will try that then (need to download ssh client first though :-) | 14:53 |
| suihkulokki | czr: enable rd-mode with flasher | 14:53 |
| czr | suihkulokki, there is no other way? | 14:54 |
| czr | (I'm feeling extra lazy) | 14:54 |
| kulve | czr: ssh root@localhost is the way I'm using it on n800 | 14:54 |
| czr | kulve, rootme as pw? | 14:55 |
| kulve | czr: yes, until I changed it ;) | 14:55 |
| czr | well. it doesn't work. | 14:55 |
| kulve | what does it say? | 14:55 |
| czr | heh. noticed something funny too. when entering password for ssh, the predictive dictionary wants to suggest all kinds of stuff beginning with rootme.. | 14:55 |
| czr | kulve, permission denied | 14:55 |
| Tak | maybe they prechanged the root passwd on yours to p$&vx909&&#nn#!!%6 | 14:56 |
| czr | (please try again) | 14:56 |
| czr | maybe so. | 14:56 |
| kulve | czr: that sounds odd, but I don't have n810, so I really don't know.. | 14:56 |
| czr | suihkulokki, can I use stock flasher for the r&d mode thingy? | 14:56 |
| czr | stock=n800 one. | 14:56 |
| kulve | czr: at least for n800 you can | 14:57 |
| kulve | stock being the linux flasher tool | 14:57 |
| czr | I know I can use the n800 flasher with n800. that wasn't the question :-) | 15:01 |
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| kulve | try it out | 15:04 |
| kulve | :) | 15:04 |
| kulve | I would guess that it would deny doing anything, if it can't. But that's just a guess ;) | 15:04 |
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| Jaffa | Yay, Mobymemory have delivered my 6GB microSDHC card. | 15:09 |
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| rothiel | Hi :) | 15:12 |
| czr | kulve, the n800 flasher (3.0) doesn't recognize the device | 15:12 |
| czr | 'Suitable USB device not found, waiting' | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | Blimey, microSD is *tiny* | 15:13 |
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| kulve | czr: ok :/ | 15:14 |
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| jjo | czr: works for me | 15:17 |
| jjo | I haven't even seen a newer version of the flasher | 15:18 |
| czr | jjo, k, will recheck. | 15:18 |
| czr | bleh. I'm such a monkey. forgot that the flasher needs the device to boot up properly. | 15:19 |
| czr | somehow expected it to work when the device was already on. | 15:20 |
| * czr hides in shame and runs | 15:20 | |
| czr | jjo, thanks. | 15:20 |
| * tsavola spanks czr | 15:20 | |
| suihkulokki | well flasher could be smart enough to say "hey, looks like there is a powered-on device connected already" | 15:20 |
| tsavola | could it? | 15:21 |
| jumpula | it could have a paper clip telling all these things :) | 15:22 |
| * Tak files feature request for a paperclip | 15:23 | |
| suihkulokki | root me babe, root me harder | 15:23 |
| jumpula | "it looks like you're about to violate the internal memory of the device. are you aware that you will void your warranty?" | 15:23 |
| * czr feels well spanked | 15:23 | |
| czr | thanks tsavola and long time. | 15:24 |
| * zeenix spanks tsavola for changing nicks | 15:24 | |
| tsavola | "you're about to write to ram. are you sure you want to write to the ram?" | 15:24 |
| * jumpula spanks everybody just for the fun of it | 15:24 | |
| zeenix | tsavola: "it may cause severe side-effects" | 15:24 |
| tsavola | zeenix: "timo" is taken on freenode, and i use the silly old nick on ircnet only because i've done so for over a decade | 15:25 |
| czr | zeenix, headache? | 15:25 |
| jumpula | "you're about to ram your ram. you really want to do this?" | 15:25 |
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| tsavola | czr: yes | 15:25 |
| czr | "you have a ram in your device, do you wish to report it to Nokia? No information will be sent!" | 15:26 |
| dpb_ | spankfest? | 15:26 |
| tsavola | october went already | 15:26 |
| czr | tsavola, good friends spank each other during other months as well | 15:26 |
| czr | whee. got root. | 15:27 |
| tsavola | maybe i should go for that fashionable underscore-after-my-name nick | 15:27 |
| *** tsavola is now known as timo_ | 15:27 | |
| timo_ | bah | 15:27 |
| timo_ | already taken | 15:27 |
| czr | hantainen timo | 15:27 |
| timo_ | 12765 - ei voittoa | 15:27 |
| *** timo_ is now known as timo__ | 15:28 | |
| *** timo__ is now known as timo___ | 15:28 | |
| czr | why not omit? | 15:28 |
| timo___ | it's negative | 15:28 |
| timo___ | omit timo | 15:28 |
| timo___ | makes me feel sad | 15:28 |
| czr | hmm. the long minus behind you doesn't? :-) | 15:29 |
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| timo___ | my tail is 3 chars long, you can sit on it | 15:29 |
| czr | indeed I can | 15:29 |
| czr | creature comfort | 15:29 |
| suihkulokki | timo, howabout the rot13 version of your nick? | 15:29 |
| czr | hmm. next, mental damage for the n800 | 15:30 |
| czr | is there any real reason why mini usb was chosen as the cable btw? | 15:30 |
| suihkulokki | alternatively you could have 4-char long tail and call it "my word" | 15:31 |
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| timo___ | suihkulokki: that would defeat the purpose of having your nick based on your real name :) | 15:31 |
| suihkulokki | ok, I'll get me my coat -> | 15:31 |
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| czr | suihkulokki, a shower curtain? | 15:32 |
| timo___ | :DD | 15:32 |
| jumpula | :) | 15:32 |
| suihkulokki | :P | 15:32 |
| jumpula | shower gull, actually | 15:32 |
| timo___ | jumpula: _coat_ | 15:32 |
| jumpula | i should get one? :) | 15:32 |
| timo___ | yep | 15:32 |
| czr | jumpula, sure. but a shower curtain would be the aptest coat for a shower gull, don't you think? | 15:32 |
| jumpula | but this is based on my real name | 15:33 |
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| timo___ | czr: what are you doing nowadays? | 15:34 |
| czr | timo___, same old. | 15:34 |
| jumpula | and besides. no-one else wants this nick. | 15:34 |
| timo___ | i do | 15:34 |
| jumpula | reason enough to keep it :) | 15:34 |
| czr | or rather same old as was back when we used to know each other :-) | 15:34 |
| timo___ | czr: ok | 15:34 |
| czr | timo___, you? | 15:34 |
| timo___ | czr: same old... | 15:34 |
| dpb_ | I bet I could sell the jumpula nick on ebay. | 15:34 |
| timo___ | czr: well, not so much maemo stuff though :) | 15:35 |
| czr | timo___, the universe moves in cycles | 15:35 |
| timo___ | czr: for me, it stands still | 15:35 |
| * jumpula spanks dpb_ | 15:35 | |
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| czr | timo___, a very small cycle for you then :-) | 15:35 |
| dpb_ | Ooh, the spanking again. | 15:35 |
| timo___ | small cycle -> high-frequency spanking | 15:35 |
| dpb_ | Such a gay channel.. <.< | 15:35 |
| jumpula | spank-a-boo | 15:36 |
| timo___ | dpb_: it's the best kind | 15:36 |
| czr | small enough cycle -> a point -> infinite frequency spanking aka the spank infinituum | 15:36 |
| timo___ | sorry i said anything today | 15:37 |
| * timo___ fetches snacks -> | 15:38 | |
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| jumpula | eternity never looks so lovely | 15:39 |
| czr | all this spanking business made me thirsty for coffee | 15:39 |
| czr | heh jumpula | 15:39 |
| dpb_ | Hmm.. A snack would be nice.. | 15:40 |
| czr | seletive negative ack | 15:40 |
| czr | selective even | 15:40 |
| czr | bleh. reflashed 2007 into the 800 by mistake | 15:41 |
| czr | ./flasher --undo | 15:41 |
| czr | ah no. Version of 'sw-release': RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_MR0 was slightly misleading | 15:42 |
| TPC | I wonder if the 2008 flash for 810 would work for 800 | 15:43 |
| svu | is 2008 already available? | 15:43 |
| czr | svu, no | 15:44 |
| svu | ugh. I just thought for a moment... | 15:44 |
| svu | (people discussing it casually...;) | 15:44 |
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| * czr feels very casual today. | 15:45 | |
| czr | it's all the spanking I guess. | 15:45 |
| jumpula | casual tuesday | 15:45 |
| * czr wishes there'd be a "stand" thingy on the 770 | 15:46 | |
| czr | that way I could put all three in a row under one of the displays | 15:46 |
| dpb_ | I read: "spank" thingy on the 770 | 15:46 |
| czr | dpb_, that's an unofficial feature | 15:47 |
| czr | comes with the 2007WE | 15:47 |
| dpb_ | WE? | 15:47 |
| _Monkey | WE are making pressure, because we understand the possibilities... but if they (managers) think other ways... or have other plans... it's complicated.. | 15:47 |
| czr | dpb_, as alterego put it yesterday, the wanking edition (HE) | 15:47 |
| dpb_ | ahh, that one | 15:48 |
| dpb_ | :P | 15:48 |
| * czr wonders if there'll be a 2008HE | 15:49 | |
| czr | hmm. I wonder if I deserve spanking for logging as root into the 800 first, then using ssh to log into the 810 as root. | 15:52 |
| * czr needs more devices to chain ssh | 15:52 | |
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| Tak | the HE is supposed to be brought in line with 2008 | 15:54 |
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| czr | Tak, oh. nice to know | 15:54 |
| czr | that'd make it simpler to support it too | 15:55 |
| czr | same arch, right? | 15:55 |
| Tak | mostly | 15:56 |
| czr | gcc-wise I mean | 15:57 |
| czr | sbox-tgt-wise. | 15:57 |
| Tak | targetwise, yes | 15:57 |
| inz | Just don't use vfp ;) | 15:57 |
| Tak | gccwise, it depends how fancy you get with the compiler flags | 15:57 |
| Tak | and don't build specifically for arm11 | 15:57 |
| czr | inz, vfp isn't enabled in 2008, is it? | 15:58 |
| czr | by default I mean | 15:58 |
| inz | czr, dunno, unlikely | 16:00 |
| czr | yup. that's what I'm thinking too. so enabling it by mistake isn't likely | 16:01 |
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| lopz | hola | 16:11 |
| felipec | hola lopz | 16:12 |
| lopz | hey felipec | 16:15 |
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| zeenix | hi mallum | 16:43 |
| mallum | hey zeenix | 16:43 |
| _Monkey | zeenix is just sore since he has trouble learning finnish ;) | 16:43 |
| zeenix | _Monkey: who said i am sore? | 16:44 |
| _Monkey | zeenix: wish i knew | 16:44 |
| solmumaha | it's ok, finnish is quite hard | 16:45 |
| timo___ | it's ok to be sore | 16:45 |
| dpb_ | after spanking | 16:45 |
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| solmumaha | Jaffa: one typo, mediasev | 17:18 |
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| Jaffa | solmumaha: thanks. fixed. | 17:22 |
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| lardman | robtaylor: ping | 17:29 |
| lardman | or anyone else who knows about Python for that matter | 17:29 |
| timo___ | shoot | 17:30 |
| lardman | python-central | 17:30 |
| timo___ | nevermind | 17:30 |
| robtaylor | lardman: pong | 17:31 |
| * robtaylor only pretends to know about python ;) | 17:31 | |
| lardman | robtaylor: do you know anything about python-central vs debhelper? | 17:31 |
| zeenix | lardman: yeah! ask timo___ he wrote an encoder in py :) | 17:31 |
| robtaylor | lardman: yep, what you want to know? | 17:31 |
| lardman | I want to use matplotlib, it requires python-central | 17:31 |
| lardman | python-central conflicts with debhelper | 17:31 |
| czr | yay. code works. now for a short nap -> | 17:32 |
| lardman | can I unconflict them or do I need to do as Ed Bartosh says and change it over to use debhelper | 17:32 |
| robtaylor | lardman: ah, where are you getting python-central from? | 17:32 |
| lardman | debian sid iirc | 17:32 |
| robtaylor | lardman: well, its all very non-trivial. In my repo I have a complately different version of python to pymaemo that allows python-central usage | 17:33 |
| lardman | just grabbed the .tar.gz, .dsc * .diff as per the usual | 17:33 |
| lardman | hmm | 17:33 |
| robtaylor | lardman: but the pymaemo packaging basically requires you to completely repackage any python packages you want | 17:33 |
| lardman | that is bad presumably? | 17:33 |
| robtaylor | yup | 17:33 |
| lardman | mroe work anyway | 17:33 |
| robtaylor | however my repackaging is a lot heavier than the pymaemo packaging | 17:34 |
| robtaylor | and solving that problem is definitly non-trivial | 17:34 |
| lardman | oh, so your system also requires repackaging then, hmm | 17:34 |
| robtaylor | nope,mine'll allow you to rebuild sid packagedpretty much without change | 17:34 |
| lardman | do you have installable python packages - that I can run on the N800 and in scratchbox? | 17:35 |
| lardman | in your repo that is | 17:35 |
| robtaylor | lardman: but theproblem being,ideally python packages for maemo should just install zipped byte-compiled versions | 17:35 |
| robtaylor | lardman: but python-central is predicated on installing the source and byte-compiling on install | 17:35 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 17:35 |
| lardman | is the source then deleted? | 17:35 |
| robtaylor | lardman: nope, not on debian | 17:35 |
| lardman | so it's slow and bloated too | 17:36 |
| robtaylor | lardman: so when you upgrade python, it recompiles for the new python | 17:36 |
| robtaylor | aye | 17:36 |
| robtaylor | well, not slow | 17:36 |
| robtaylor | but bloated | 17:36 |
| lardman | slow doing the recompile I meant, or is that always done anyway? | 17:36 |
| robtaylor | so solving this problem involves rethinking python-central with the debian python guys | 17:36 |
| robtaylor | lardman: thats only done on install, doesnt take long | 17:37 |
| lardman | ok | 17:37 |
| db48x | cool: http://www.botjunkie.com/2007/10/26/n800-nokia-dog-a-tail-wagging-tablet/ | 17:37 |
| lopz | brb | 17:37 |
| robtaylor | so, yeah, the options are, usemy python packages, take space hit, or repackage for maemo | 17:37 |
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| lardman | robtaylor: repackage after it's been compiled? Or alter the build process? | 17:38 |
| milhouse | Dunno if you've seen this already, youtube video of Google Android (doesn't look bad) | 17:38 |
| milhouse | |http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg | 17:38 |
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| lardman | robtaylor: where do I find your packages? I'm more interested in using Python than messing about with its build process to be honest | 17:40 |
| robtaylor | lardman: packages.codethink.co.uk | 17:40 |
| robtaylor | lardman: i havn't touched them for a while, but should still work | 17:41 |
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| lardman | thanks, I'll take a look | 17:41 |
| robtaylor | np | 17:41 |
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| zoran | timelyx, thank you; apps are available in repositories now! | 17:53 |
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| unique311 | good praise for the garnet vm on ITT. | 17:54 |
| unique311 | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/feedback.html | 17:54 |
| unique311 | put that link to use... | 17:54 |
| unique311 | let the people at access know that we need bigger screen res on this vm. | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | yup | 17:57 |
| unique311 | compatibility mode.. | 17:59 |
| unique311 | http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/palm/codenames.html | 17:59 |
| unique311 | choose app you want to run. | 17:59 |
| unique311 | configure | 18:00 |
| unique311 | custom | 18:00 |
| unique311 | and find the company ID and device ID from the link | 18:00 |
| unique311 | it only takes advantage of the internet for hotsync. | 18:01 |
| shackan | unique311: wow, when was this thing announced? | 18:02 |
| unique311 | yes | 18:02 |
| unique311 | early this morning | 18:02 |
| unique311 | still not on maemo yet | 18:02 |
| unique311 | check ITT for some comments on it | 18:02 |
| shackan | so when? :) | 18:02 |
| shackan | wow | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | unique311: where do you expect it on maemo? | 18:03 |
| unique311 | news? | 18:03 |
| shackan | too many good announces in two days | 18:03 |
| shackan | android, os2008, now this :D | 18:03 |
| sxpert-work | android appears full of java cracl | 18:03 |
| sxpert-work | crack even | 18:03 |
| unique311 | java within garnet vm | 18:04 |
| shackan | unique311: garnet is java? | 18:04 |
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| skibur | chimecs | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | unique311: remember it's a beta, but at least 2 articles about it on planet (admittedly buried by the Colin Mulliner blog issue) and another two on https://maemo.org/news/ | 18:05 |
| skibur | ls -l | 18:05 |
| unique311 | failed to check. was on ITT | 18:05 |
| unique311 | sorry bout that | 18:05 |
| skibur | anything new | 18:05 |
| skibur | ? | 18:05 |
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| unique311 | garnet vm skibur | 18:06 |
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| lardman | hmm, I've still not received my email with a download link | 18:11 |
| unique311 | garnetos | 18:12 |
| unique311 | garnetvm | 18:12 |
| _Monkey | garnetvm is available from Access, direct deb downloads 770: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n770.deb, N800 http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n800.deb and N810: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0b_n810.deb | 18:12 |
| unique311 | lardman | 18:12 |
| lardman | lol, thanks | 18:12 |
| unique311 | gmail | 18:13 |
| unique311 | recieved it really fast | 18:13 |
| unique311 | shackan, http://www.palm.com/us/support/jvm/download.html | 18:13 |
| lardman | ah well, thanks, I thought I'd see what all the fuss is about | 18:13 |
| unique311 | downside i can see right now is that danm screen size. | 18:13 |
| lardman | why's that - because the apps are hardcoded? | 18:17 |
| pupnik_ | they made the 'theme' with a jotter pad below the screen instead of to the side, wasting vertical space. | 18:19 |
| unique311 | its a vm. and its doing the palm device screen res. which is 320x??? | 18:19 |
| pupnik_ | they also haven't implemented 90 degree rotation | 18:19 |
| pupnik_ | older palms were more like 160x160 | 18:19 |
| unique311 | you have to uncheck fullscreen pupnik_ | 18:19 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 18:19 |
| unique311 | and it does the portrait mode | 18:19 |
| pupnik_ | heh it does?? sorry | 18:20 |
| unique311 | but still small | 18:20 |
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| unique311 | they are asking for feedback... | 18:20 |
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| unique311 | I doubt they can do anything about that screen res. doesn't it mean rewriting the 30,000+ apps they have out there? | 18:21 |
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| unique311 | to support a bigger screen res | 18:22 |
| lardman | the whitepaper says the display is done on the Linux side, so no reason why they couldn't | 18:23 |
| lardman | Presumably they could remove the scribble area at least | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | unique311: there are apps which can tell things to use the 480x320 res of a Sony PEG-UX50 | 18:25 |
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| Jaffa | Grafitti should be optional if you've got an N810 | 18:25 |
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| unique311 | you can hide the graffiti | 18:26 |
| unique311 | theirs a down arrow. that allows this | 18:26 |
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| Jaffa | unique311: that requires app support, though, doesn' it? | 18:32 |
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| unique311 | its does. | 18:33 |
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| Khertan | many palm libs are missing from the wm | 18:44 |
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| lardman | ~lart WinXP for just losing at its icons | 18:46 |
| * infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs WinXP for just losing at its icons | 18:46 | |
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| Atarii | hmmm shud i download the 770 or the 800 verion of garnetvm for 2007he on 770? | 18:48 |
| Atarii | im guessin 800? | 18:48 |
| Tak | I would default to the n800 version and fall back to the 770 version if that doesn't work | 18:49 |
| Atarii | k thanks, ill give it a whirl | 18:49 |
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| milhouse | atarri: n800 | 18:52 |
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| unique311 | hmmm, just found a gvm conf file that has a screensize set to 320x480 | 19:00 |
| unique311 | maybe it can be changed. | 19:00 |
| unique311 | looks like other roms can possibly be used. | 19:01 |
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| unit42 | Network Support would be nice for the Garnet VM... | 19:16 |
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| unit42 | ...did anyone test some network apps? Network support is listed. But I can find anything in the prefs... | 19:18 |
| unique311 | i did...seems only for hotsync right now | 19:19 |
| unit42 | Ah. Ok. | 19:19 |
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| unique311 | i think the vm can use a different rom. | 19:19 |
| unique311 | have to try that out. | 19:19 |
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| konttori | hey, how long does the upload to maemo extras usually take? | 19:49 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: not long | 19:51 |
| konttori | ahh.. I am trying to get ukmp there | 19:52 |
| konttori | I signed the deb with gpg. | 19:52 |
| konttori | I have the gpgs file and the deb file. | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | Ah. maemo.org seems fscked | 19:52 |
| konttori | I then used scp to upload both to extras/incoming/chinook | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | Garage commit is taking ages | 19:52 |
| konttori | Am I missing something? I mean, how can I know if I did it right? | 19:53 |
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| konttori | anyway, just thought to ask as you have done it a few times Jaffa | 19:57 |
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| Sho_ | Does anyone know if the bug tracker is currently sending out emails at all? My account creation mail never arrived | 20:33 |
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| t_s_o | woa, garnet software on the tablets?! | 20:34 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 20:49 |
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| timeless | hello world | 21:17 |
| timeless | what color depth does maemo use? :) | 21:17 |
| disq | 16 bits | 21:17 |
| niteOwl2 | i'm trying to setup a maemo dev environment and have some questions (probably will ask them a little later) - is this the right channel for that sort of discussion? I looked and could not find a maemo-dev channel | 21:20 |
| Tak | yes. | 21:20 |
| niteOwl2 | good. Thanks. | 21:20 |
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| guardian | evening | 21:31 |
| guardian | how long does it take between garage registration and login on maemo.org ? | 21:31 |
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| TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! | 21:36 |
| TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! | 21:36 |
| TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! | 21:36 |
| TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! | 21:36 |
| elb | guardian: a few minutes or more | 21:37 |
| elb | guardian: for me, I think it was at least 15 | 21:37 |
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| guardian | registered this morning | 21:37 |
| kaltsi | it shouldn't take long but I registered to garage on Friday and the account still doesn't work in maemo.org, there must be something wrong | 21:37 |
| guardian | still cannot login | 21:37 |
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| guardian | k | 21:37 |
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| TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! | 21:38 |
| TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! | 21:38 |
| TOM_AT_OM_ON_STE | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! | 21:38 |
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| b0unc3` | is the ITOS2008 available ? | 21:39 |
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| Tak | why do we never have ops in channel? | 21:43 |
| czr | b0unc3`, no | 21:43 |
| czr | btw, is anyone else getting the maemo-devel mails in "random" order? | 21:44 |
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| sp3000 | the last 9 appear to be in order | 21:48 |
| czr | weird. I've been getting mine in a "random" order for a month (ever since I subbed again) | 21:49 |
| czr | reponses to some discussions come before the original questions, etc. | 21:49 |
| doc|work | Toni_is an op, he's just not opped right now | 21:50 |
| elb | czr: spam/virus/etc. filtering can often cause that | 21:50 |
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| czr | elb, not on my side at least. | 21:50 |
| czr | although not sure whether the confusion arises in iki.fi relay smtp. just annoying. | 21:51 |
| czr | but they shouldn't be doing any filtering either methinks. | 21:51 |
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| timeless | sp3000: i finished writing my next blog article :) | 21:53 |
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| KwisatzHaderach | I am looking for an hackable internet tablet with GSM that can be used in tractors in fields | 21:55 |
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| Tak | s/GSM/GPS/ ? | 21:58 |
| KwisatzHaderach | err. I mean something like GPRS, to use instant messaging for example | 21:59 |
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| kaltsi | these tablets just have wlan, or they can use a phone's gprs over bluetooth | 22:03 |
| b0unc3` | kaltsi: both | 22:05 |
| elb | I think that was a statement, not a question, in response to KwisatzHaderach's question ;-) | 22:05 |
| kaltsi | I think so too :) | 22:05 |
| b0unc3` | ops... sorry :) | 22:06 |
| kaltsi | heh | 22:06 |
| KwisatzHaderach | thank you ;) | 22:06 |
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| pupnik | i wonder if some non-microwave telemetry via USB would work for KwisatzHaderach | 22:17 |
| KwisatzHaderach | It would be for farmer workers, to write their work time on the tablet. The tablet has to query some internet servers | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | then they're perfect, since with a tablet paired to an existing cell phone, they aren't locked into any one service | 22:25 |
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| guardian | does aircrack work on the tablet ? | 22:27 |
| lopz | brb | 22:28 |
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| * Jaffa adds some more stock photograph to http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:33 | |
| Jaffa | ...but it's now time to watch /Heroes/ | 22:33 |
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