| *** ChanServ has joined #maemo | 00:00 | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | 00:00 | |
| *** ChanServ has quit IRC | 00:00 | |
| *** ChanServ has joined #maemo | 00:00 | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | 00:00 | |
| timelyx | tko: i think my favorite is ""even i can't break through the firewall"" | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| *** ChanServ has quit IRC | 00:01 | |
| *** KevinVerma has joined #Maemo | 00:01 | |
| *** chelli has quit IRC | 00:01 | |
| *** KevinVerma has quit IRC | 00:01 | |
| *** KevinVerma has joined #Maemo | 00:01 | |
| disq | lol | 00:01 |
| *** ChanServ has joined #maemo | 00:03 | |
| *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | 00:03 | |
| *** pickl1 has joined #maemo | 00:03 | |
| Robdgreat | wb ChanServ :] | 00:03 |
| *** vivijim has quit IRC | 00:04 | |
| disq | power hug. | 00:04 |
| pickl1 | does anyone feel like giving me a hand getting a simple helloworld running under scratchbox please? | 00:05 |
| pickl1 | I get the following error: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory | 00:05 |
| *** ol_schoola has joined #maemo | 00:05 | |
| pickl1 | I'm using the example from http://maemo4mobile.garage.maemo.org/ | 00:07 |
| timelyx | strange, there's no such file on my device :) | 00:12 |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 00:15 | |
| *** KevinVerma has left #Maemo | 00:16 | |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| pickl1 | i'm using run-standalone.sh ./helloworld to launch the app - does that make any difference? | 00:16 |
| timelyx | it shouldn't | 00:17 |
| timelyx | is dbus running? | 00:17 |
| pickl1 | how do I tell? | 00:17 |
| timelyx | i have /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --session | 00:17 |
| timelyx | ps aux|grep dbus | 00:17 |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 00:17 | |
| timelyx | i also have /usr/bin/bme-dbus-proxy -N | 00:18 |
| pickl1 | i can see /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system | 00:18 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 00:18 | |
| * timelyx doesn | 00:18 | |
| * timelyx doesn't speak dbus | 00:18 | |
| pickl1 | are there any good examples anywhere I can use to check my sdk setup? | 00:19 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 00:19 | |
| kulve | pickl1: usually I don't try to run anything on scratchbox, easier to copy it to the device, and run there | 00:19 |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 00:20 | |
| timelyx | kulve: how many n810 devices have you bought? | 00:20 |
| * timelyx kicks kulve | 00:20 | |
| pickl1 | that means I have to wait for it to arrive though... | 00:20 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=machine-id&find=dbus | 00:20 |
| timelyx | that's what mxr has to say about chinook/dbus | 00:20 |
| timelyx | oh brother | 00:21 |
| timelyx | ok, sorry | 00:21 |
| timelyx | there's some duplication in dbus | 00:21 |
| timelyx | i messed up the cross reference generation | 00:21 |
| timelyx | you can switch to sardine to read it... | 00:22 |
| pickl1 | i didn't even realise i was trying to use it :-/ | 00:23 |
| kulve | running anything complex stuff on sb with qemu is just pain. But have fun. | 00:24 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 00:25 | |
| pickl1 | i'm not using qemu - just installed the chinook sdk on ubuntu and trying to get *anything* to run. | 00:25 |
| pickl1 | I am having fun though :) | 00:25 |
| kulve | arm target, or x86? | 00:25 |
| pickl1 | x86 | 00:25 |
| kulve | ok, that's a bit less pain.. | 00:26 |
| pickl1 | thats reassuring | 00:26 |
| kulve | have you started the environment? With af-sb-init.sh? | 00:26 |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 00:26 | |
| pickl1 | yes - i can see hildon desktop in my xephyr window, so thats all good | 00:26 |
| kulve | dbus-uuidgen creates the missing machine-id, iirc | 00:27 |
| kulve | but it doesn't sound correct that you would need to create it by yourself.. | 00:28 |
| kaltsi | pickl1 I got the hello world from there working | 00:28 |
| pickl1 | dbus-uuidgen creates a uuid to the console, but i still get the same error | 00:29 |
| kulve | copy it to that machine-id file | 00:29 |
| kaltsi | I didn't need to do anything like that.. | 00:29 |
| kulve | it doesn't need anything else, it's just a unique id for the computer | 00:29 |
| pickl1 | kaltsi, did you do anything special? | 00:29 |
| *** truls has quit IRC | 00:29 | |
| kaltsi | I installed the final chinook sdk today and just tried this.. | 00:30 |
| *** cambba_ has quit IRC | 00:30 | |
| kaltsi | I took the helloworld sources from the link provided in maemo4mobile | 00:30 |
| *** truls has joined #maemo | 00:30 | |
| kaltsi | so nothing special I guess | 00:31 |
| *** KevinVerma has joined #Maemo | 00:31 | |
| *** cambba has joined #maemo | 00:31 | |
| kaltsi | how did you compile your hello world? | 00:33 |
| kaltsi | the provided sources had the autotools magic.. I had to do autoreconf -i and then run ./configure | 00:33 |
| pickl1 | got it working now - i had to manually create the machine-id file and put the output of dbus-uuidgen into it | 00:35 |
| pickl1 | thanks guys | 00:35 |
| *** klausade has left #maemo | 00:35 | |
| pickl1 | could this be anything to do with upgrading from the beta sdk? | 00:35 |
| kulve | I have the beta too (arm target), and no machine-id.. | 00:36 |
| kulve | but now I'm off | 00:36 |
| pickl1 | thanks again for your help | 00:36 |
| kaltsi | I don't have a machine-id either but didn't get any dbus complaints | 00:36 |
| pickl1 | i created the source files manually and didn't use autotools | 00:37 |
| pickl1 | so maybe thats it | 00:37 |
| kaltsi | yea could be | 00:37 |
| pickl1 | anyway, at least i can play around a bit now | 00:37 |
| *** etrunko has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| *** lardman has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| *** lardman has joined #maemo | 00:42 | |
| *** bilboed has quit IRC | 00:42 | |
| *** massoud has quit IRC | 00:46 | |
| *** dashepar has joined #maemo | 00:49 | |
| *** KevinVerma has quit IRC | 00:54 | |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 00:55 | |
| *** massoud has joined #maemo | 00:56 | |
| *** dshep has joined #maemo | 01:03 | |
| *** lardman_ has quit IRC | 01:03 | |
| *** cambba has quit IRC | 01:08 | |
| *** truls has quit IRC | 01:08 | |
| *** cambba has joined #maemo | 01:08 | |
| *** truls has joined #maemo | 01:08 | |
| *** dashepar has quit IRC | 01:10 | |
| disq | anybody interested in installing kagu in chinook and testing the player functionalities for us? so that we can verify and upload the deb to chinook-extras | 01:18 |
| *** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo | 01:18 | |
| *** ch4os_ has quit IRC | 01:28 | |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 01:31 | |
| *** fab has quit IRC | 01:38 | |
| alterego | Cool, adding desktop applets to ruby-maemo will be super easy :) | 01:43 |
| p| | samples samples samples pls :D | 01:45 |
| alterego | Of course. | 01:45 |
| alterego | Once I write the bindings :P | 01:45 |
| alterego | Well, the loader. | 01:45 |
| alterego | The cool thing about this is. You don't even need to install ruby, you can just install libruby and ruby-maemo. | 01:46 |
| p| | hehe | 01:46 |
| p| | good good | 01:46 |
| alterego | If I can use the extras repo, It'll give me a opportunity to modularise ruby-maemo a lot more. So you wont have to install everything just to run an applet etc. | 01:47 |
| alterego | I should probably describe the packaging standard for ruby maemo apps. | 01:47 |
| rhykin | i wonder if os2008 will reduce performance on the n800 | 01:48 |
| alterego | It's supposed to increase performance :P | 01:49 |
| *** t0h has quit IRC | 01:49 | |
| *** t0h has joined #maemo | 01:49 | |
| p| | +70mhz ? :) | 01:49 |
| alterego | Well, plus scaling and 70Mhz | 01:50 |
| alterego | Flash has been optimized. | 01:50 |
| alterego | I'm sure it runs just fine. | 01:50 |
| rhykin | wait | 01:50 |
| p| | hope that autoscaling doesn't make system unresponsive... | 01:50 |
| rhykin | with os2008 convert the processor to 4000mhz? | 01:51 |
| rhykin | 400* | 01:51 |
| rhykin | will* | 01:51 |
| * rhykin is eating ;) | 01:51 | |
| p| | si rhykin | 01:51 |
| alterego | Yes, 4Ghz performace ^_^ | 01:51 |
| rhykin | odd | 01:51 |
| rhykin | why habvent they just doen it alreqy | 01:51 |
| rhykin | for os2007 | 01:51 |
| alterego | Because they were developing their power management scheme I'd imagine. | 01:52 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 01:52 | |
| alterego | Maybe there was an issue with the hardware at those speeds they've solved. | 01:52 |
| rhykin | odd | 01:52 |
| alterego | Not really. | 01:52 |
| disq | also because they don't want to run QA twice and delay chinook | 01:52 |
| rhykin | so is the n800 underclocked? | 01:53 |
| alterego | There are a lot more oddities than power management and CPU clock speed :P | 01:53 |
| rhykin | i assume | 01:53 |
| alterego | rhykin, check the spec. | 01:53 |
| alterego | OMAP 2420 | 01:53 |
| rhykin | i knew it was 330mhz, but i didnt think it was underckocked' | 01:53 |
| alterego | Hmm .. I dunno. | 01:54 |
| alterego | It's not really that interesting to me. | 01:54 |
| milhouse | 330mhz is the optimum speed for omap2420 - at 400mhz the dsp actually runs more slowly | 01:55 |
| p| | i found my n800 very fast compared to my htc tytn (400mhz) | 01:56 |
| rhykin | there, now im done eating | 01:56 |
| milhouse | i guess with various power management improvements it became possible to push the cpu harder when it is needed and still end up saving power in the long run | 01:56 |
| rhykin | interesting | 01:57 |
| milhouse | nokia believe it is better (in terms of power usage) to run the cpu faster for a brief period than run it slower for longer | 01:57 |
| rhykin | guess i will upgrade to os'08 when it comes out :) | 01:57 |
| zerojay | Probably allows dynamic speed switching. | 01:57 |
| alterego | Why wouldn't you upgrade? | 01:58 |
| rhykin | because i didnt think it would improve the processor speed | 01:58 |
| rhykin | and theres no programs out from developers yet | 01:58 |
| rhykin | so i was gonna wait | 01:58 |
| milhouse | p| - the operating system may have something to do with that! :) | 01:58 |
| milhouse | rhykin - probably going to be glitches for the first few days... | 01:59 |
| rhykin | i assume we wouldnt be able to use os07 apps, correct? | 02:00 |
| rhykin | theres a lot of software changes | 02:00 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 02:00 | |
| milhouse | yes, i would expect most os2007 apps to be incompatible with os2008 particularly gui apps. command line apps may still work though | 02:00 |
| milhouse | ^ that's just a guess on my part about command line apps :) | 02:01 |
| zerojay | There's a lot of porting work going on, so it might be less of a problem than we might expect. | 02:01 |
| zerojay | But we'll see. | 02:01 |
| *** dshep has quit IRC | 02:02 | |
| rhykin | man | 02:03 |
| rhykin | so far i see no benefit to the n810 | 02:03 |
| rhykin | except the $200 keyboard :P | 02:03 |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 02:03 | |
| zerojay | The screen. | 02:03 |
| zerojay | Transreflective and apparently glass. | 02:03 |
| milhouse | GPS? | 02:03 |
| _Monkey | i think GPS is nice, though | 02:03 |
| zerojay | GPS, yeah.. that'll be nice. | 02:03 |
| zerojay | Especially nice once more apps are location aware. | 02:04 |
| milhouse | smaller? (but heavier, and better looking) | 02:04 |
| milhouse | did anyone find out what the n810 easter egg is/was? | 02:04 |
| p| | 'night all ! | 02:04 |
| *** db48x has quit IRC | 02:04 | |
| milhouse | 'night | 02:04 |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 02:04 | |
| zerojay | The only things I'll miss from the N800 is the rotating camera and the two SD slots. | 02:04 |
| milhouse | you'll miss the rotating camera? imho it's a waste of space | 02:05 |
| zerojay | I used it quite a lot. | 02:05 |
| milhouse | two sd slots - agreed :( | 02:05 |
| milhouse | thought the image was mostly unusable - really poor quality, or duff software not sure which | 02:05 |
| zerojay | The camera was poor quality, but just having it always with me was enough reason to use it. | 02:05 |
| milhouse | i appeared as an orange blob, and i'm not orange | 02:06 |
| zerojay | milhouse: How about this orange blob? http://flickr.com/photos/zerojay/1729497759/ | 02:06 |
| rhykin | lol | 02:07 |
| milhouse | very similar! :) | 02:07 |
| rhykin | hat the | 02:07 |
| rhykin | what the* | 02:07 |
| zerojay | A cop on the corner near work. | 02:07 |
| zerojay | At about noon. | 02:07 |
| zerojay | Too bad he wasn't there an hour later. | 02:07 |
| milhouse | Was he hoping to blend in? | 02:08 |
| zerojay | He might have been able to stop this: http://flickr.com/photos/zerojay/1729212594/ | 02:08 |
| rhykin | i wonder if os2008 will support eap-tls | 02:09 |
| rhykin | if the certificate manager had some work :) | 02:09 |
| zerojay | I'm half tempted to take all the phones we have at work and just dump them on people and take pictures of them. | 02:10 |
| zerojay | like "help, I'm drowning in Nokiaaaaasssss!!!" | 02:10 |
| zerojay | Not sure if 350 phones would be enough though. | 02:10 |
| unique311 | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1710265 | 02:13 |
| unique311 | please view | 02:13 |
| *** pickl1 has left #maemo | 02:14 | |
| zerojay | hah | 02:14 |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 02:15 | |
| unique311 | i get those in my yahoo mail alot. | 02:16 |
| *** _|Nix|_ has quit IRC | 02:16 | |
| *** db48x has joined #maemo | 02:26 | |
| ol_schoola | milhouse: you think the rotating camera could be removed and a 2.5 mm video jack be put in place of it? | 02:31 |
| *** jott has joined #maemo | 02:31 | |
| *** javamaniac has quit IRC | 02:32 | |
| *** ebel has joined #maemo | 02:33 | |
| milhouse | i guess anything is possible... a good chance you might end up with a dead N800 though :) | 02:39 |
| *** javamaniac has joined #maemo | 02:40 | |
| *** netx has quit IRC | 02:40 | |
| l7 | hmm, a 2.5mm video jack is an interesting idea... | 02:41 |
| l7 | how much video can you fit in a 8gb card though? | 02:41 |
| l7 | or even a 32gb one | 02:41 |
| *** aloisiojr has joined #maemo | 02:41 | |
| *** j0tt has quit IRC | 02:43 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 02:45 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 02:53 | |
| *** ebel_ has joined #maemo | 02:54 | |
| *** ebel has quit IRC | 02:54 | |
| *** ebel_ is now known as ebel | 02:54 | |
| ol_schoola | sorry, i was afk. i want to use it with a chip camera mounted on the end of a stick as an inspection camera | 02:56 |
| ol_schoola | the usb port won't do host controller so i'm currently screwed | 02:56 |
| ol_schoola | i was going to hack apart a webcam | 02:56 |
| alterego | You can enable USB OTG mode. | 03:02 |
| alterego | As far as a 2.5m video jave. | 03:03 |
| alterego | ~jack. | 03:03 |
| infobot | A console cd-ripper written in python. URL: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/ | 03:03 |
| alterego | That'll never work. I'm guessing the camera is cmos .. | 03:03 |
| *** ryanfaerman has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| *** unique311 has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 03:10 | |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 03:11 | |
| *** zodman has joined #maemo | 03:11 | |
| *** javamaniac has quit IRC | 03:12 | |
| *** alterego has quit IRC | 03:12 | |
| *** fsmw has quit IRC | 03:14 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 03:16 | |
| *** greentux__ has joined #maemo | 03:16 | |
| *** javamaniac has joined #maemo | 03:16 | |
| *** bedboi has quit IRC | 03:17 | |
| *** fr01 has quit IRC | 03:23 | |
| *** jonty has joined #maemo | 03:25 | |
| *** jonty has quit IRC | 03:27 | |
| *** kenne has quit IRC | 03:29 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 03:32 | |
| *** greentux_ has quit IRC | 03:33 | |
| *** ol_schoola has quit IRC | 03:45 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 03:46 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 03:48 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 03:51 | |
| *** dashepar has joined #maemo | 03:52 | |
| *** k-s[WORK] has quit IRC | 03:56 | |
| *** Cwiiis has quit IRC | 03:58 | |
| *** Ryback_ has quit IRC | 04:01 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 04:06 | |
| *** cmarcelo has quit IRC | 04:08 | |
| *** mankod has joined #maemo | 04:09 | |
| *** povbot` has joined #maemo | 04:17 | |
| *** ebel_ has joined #maemo | 04:19 | |
| *** MoRpHeUz has quit IRC | 04:20 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 04:21 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 04:21 | |
| *** ebel has quit IRC | 04:22 | |
| *** ebel_ is now known as ebel | 04:22 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 04:26 | |
| *** povbot has quit IRC | 04:31 | |
| *** rhys has joined #maemo | 04:33 | |
| *** sciboy has joined #maemo | 04:34 | |
| *** red-zack has quit IRC | 04:34 | |
| rhys | UKMP download gives a 500 internal server error from maemo.org | 04:34 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 04:36 | |
| rhys | can anyone make sure it isnt just something with my network? | 04:36 |
| rhys | im assuming 500 error isnt my fault | 04:37 |
| *** smackpotato has quit IRC | 04:38 | |
| *** ol_schoola has joined #maemo | 04:41 | |
| *** itnomad has joined #maemo | 04:48 | |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 04:58 | |
| FMz | Hrmm.. When i try to make a video call from my n800 to a PC with Google Talk, it says that the PC side doesn't support video... | 05:02 |
| *** l7 has quit IRC | 05:04 | |
| astro76 | I've read that it only works n800 to n800, not sure really | 05:08 |
| *** zodman has quit IRC | 05:10 | |
| *** ebel has quit IRC | 05:11 | |
| FMz | Hrmm | 05:15 |
| *** l7 has joined #maemo | 05:16 | |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 05:19 | |
| FMz | I swear this thing was touted as being able to make n800 to PC video calls. | 05:22 |
| *** dashepar has quit IRC | 05:23 | |
| l7 | [B[Bwhat thing? | 05:23 |
| FMz | n800 | 05:24 |
| *** DeLeOn has joined #maemo | 05:24 | |
| *** lord_moonraker has joined #maemo | 05:25 | |
| lord_moonraker | Greetings all | 05:25 |
| FMz | I bought it now so I could video chat with my girlfriend while I am in Denver | 05:25 |
| l7 | does it work? | 05:26 |
| *** sciboy has quit IRC | 05:26 | |
| FMz | Apparently video chat only works between 2 nSeries... and I'm sure not going to buy her one. | 05:27 |
| l7 | oh | 05:27 |
| l7 | can't you skype her? | 05:27 |
| FMz | Yeah, but video still doesnt work | 05:27 |
| l7 | hrm, is there something wrong with the n800's skype client? | 05:29 |
| FMz | Kinda feelin gypped on that | 05:29 |
| FMz | I dont believe so | 05:29 |
| l7 | it just doesn't do video yet? | 05:29 |
| FMz | Yup | 05:30 |
| l7 | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070711-first-look-skype-for-the-nokia-n800-internet-tablet.html | 05:31 |
| l7 | The only thing missing from the N800 Skype client is support for video chat using the N800's built-in video camera. Perusal of the skype-ui package's dependencies on the N800 reveals that it uses the Farsight audio/video communications framework, which means that video support could potentially be added in a future update. | 05:31 |
| l7 | Is there anyway to have video chat between the N800 and a PC? I read | 05:33 |
| l7 | Nokia Internet Call Invitation (Beta) was removed with the latest firmware (not that I had any luck with that) | 05:33 |
| l7 | http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/skype-review-on-nokia-n800.html | 05:33 |
| l7 | interesting | 05:33 |
| *** ab has quit IRC | 05:33 | |
| *** ab has joined #maemo | 05:33 | |
| *** FMz_ has joined #maemo | 05:42 | |
| *** FMz has quit IRC | 05:44 | |
| lord_moonraker | skype doesnt have a video in linux till now, they just got out with a video linux version | 05:44 |
| *** Abulafia has joined #maemo | 05:46 | |
| Abulafia | is there a higher cap battery that fits in the n800? | 05:48 |
| FMz_ | So, Skype video desktop to n800 works? | 05:49 |
| *** |tbb| has quit IRC | 05:50 | |
| lord_moonraker | they havent released maemo version yet | 05:58 |
| lord_moonraker | http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/beta/ | 06:00 |
| lord_moonraker | if you are desperate for video, i think there is some version of a chat client called gizmo project that does video | 06:01 |
| FMz_ | I can't seem to find the right versions of Gizmo... everyone on the forum is talking about almost getting it working with Gizmo 4... but I can't find a Gizmo version 4 anywhere, all I can find is 3.1 | 06:02 |
| FMz_ | I'm not desperate... just a little disappointed that I can't use this in the way I rushed to get it for. | 06:03 |
| rhykin | astro76: what distro do you recommend | 06:03 |
| rhykin | rather | 06:03 |
| rhykin | what distro of linux does anyone recommend | 06:03 |
| rhykin | with the maemo sdk | 06:03 |
| lord_moonraker | ubuntu | 06:04 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that ubuntu is alright | 06:04 |
| lord_moonraker | i had been disappointed that video to pc's where not there | 06:04 |
| *** elb has joined #maemo | 06:04 | |
| lord_moonraker | but its other uses it has for me, far outweighs the lack of video in chat & jerky youtube video | 06:05 |
| FMz_ | What do you use it for most? | 06:08 |
| lord_moonraker | keeping up to date on the net, chat, maps/gps, music, watching video's using mplayer, writing notes at office during conferences, recording audio | 06:09 |
| lord_moonraker | and best of all hacking - (pyaxelwii.garage.maemo.org) | 06:10 |
| DeLeOn | hello, I'm new on this of maemo, i'm installing chinook, I got selected for the n810 device program, and I can't wait to have the n810 and merge fully into this... :D | 06:11 |
| FMz_ | Liking the sound of that heh | 06:11 |
| zerojay | You're installing Chinook? How? | 06:11 |
| DeLeOn | well... the SDK | 06:11 |
| lord_moonraker | hey cool, DeLeOn, welcome to the club! | 06:11 |
| lord_moonraker | are u starting on some project? | 06:12 |
| FMz_ | Does this thing support .bashrc exports? | 06:12 |
| DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: thanks... I hope to be here very often (hopefully helping and not doing a lot of questions) | 06:13 |
| *** metatron has joined #maemo | 06:13 | |
| DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: I'm just beginning with this, so I don't know, I first need to have the N810 in my hands to see what can I do... I hope to help with some porting, I thought of porting "cheese" the "photoboot" clone for gnome | 06:14 |
| shackan | mm, there's a camera app already | 06:15 |
| itnomad | Sorry for the newbie question. If i use scp from an xterm, I can get a file from my desktop computer to my n800. pwd reveals I am in /home/user. I can't see any other folders than MyDocs, apps, and the file that I copied. How do I get the file into the Documents folder, or maybe on to mmc1? | 06:15 |
| DeLeOn | shackan: mmm then I'll think in another stuff hehehe... | 06:16 |
| lord_moonraker | hmm ya, there is one, too bad they didnt put in a 2MP camera in N810 :( | 06:17 |
| lord_moonraker | itnomad, the folder is MyDocs/.documents | 06:19 |
| lord_moonraker | or /media/mmc1 or mmc2 | 06:19 |
| rhykin | how can i install ubuntu on vmware | 06:20 |
| rhykin | which vmware would i need to get? | 06:20 |
| itnomad | lord_moonraker: thanks, I found those, but I can't get to the file from the "Desktop". It doesn't show up in the file manager. | 06:20 |
| itnomad | only from the xterm. | 06:20 |
| lord_moonraker | well copy the file to /media/mmc1 and check memory card folder? | 06:21 |
| DeLeOn | by the way, does someone here knows something about "Aricent"? is an india company that does software for mobiles | 06:23 |
| itnomad | lord_moonraker: thanks, that did it. | 06:23 |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 06:23 | |
| lord_moonraker | k | 06:23 |
| itnomad | I was drawing a blank | 06:23 |
| lord_moonraker | aricent? i think it was Hughes/flextronics | 06:24 |
| DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: yes, something like that... is that they opened an office in my city, and they are hiring,... and made me an offer... | 06:25 |
| DeLeOn | but still don't know if i'll take it | 06:25 |
| lord_moonraker | oh r u in b'lore? | 06:27 |
| DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: no, Monterrey Mexico | 06:27 |
| DeLeOn | we are getting invaded by india companies, hehehe sasken, aricent and wipro came here in the last years... | 06:28 |
| lord_moonraker | : ) I am invading too | 06:30 |
| *** Masca has joined #maemo | 06:30 | |
| DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: where r u from? india? | 06:30 |
| *** |tbb| has joined #maemo | 06:31 | |
| lord_moonraker | yup | 06:32 |
| DeLeOn | lord_moonraker: working for any of this companies? | 06:32 |
| rhykin | i figured it out | 06:32 |
| rhykin | is there a way to install apps to your internal memory card | 06:34 |
| rhykin | instead of like | 06:34 |
| rhykin | on the internal memory itself | 06:34 |
| itnomad | Monterrey Mexico...no kidding! | 06:35 |
| elb | I just roasted a mexican coffee, for whatever that's worth ;-) | 06:36 |
| Masca | elb: are you in every channel over freenode and oftc ?? | 06:37 |
| elb | haha | 06:37 |
| elb | no ;-) | 06:37 |
| elb | I just joined this one, as I'll be getting an 810 soon, and I hope to do some development | 06:37 |
| Masca | me to =) | 06:37 |
| elb | (Pidgin, among other things, of course) | 06:37 |
| Masca | elb: pidgin is ported on maemo | 06:38 |
| DeLeOn | itnomad: you are in monterrey? | 06:38 |
| lord_moonraker | rhykin: what happened r u low on space? | 06:38 |
| Masca | but if you need help in something with pidgin+nokia810 I can help you | 06:38 |
| *** ol_schoola has quit IRC | 06:39 | |
| lord_moonraker | i think u need to free up space or install /dual boot onto the mmc | 06:39 |
| lord_moonraker | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 06:39 |
| shackan | elb: pidgin already works great :) | 06:40 |
| rhykin | lord_moonraker: i would assume i would at some point ;) | 06:40 |
| lord_moonraker | deleon: no tata | 06:40 |
| *** Abulafia has quit IRC | 06:41 | |
| Masca | elb: told you ;-) | 06:42 |
| elb | Masca, shackan: yes, I have worked with the porter (_|Nix|_) | 06:42 |
| elb | Pidgin on Linux already runs, too -- that doesn't mean it's *done* | 06:42 |
| Masca | ohh _|Nix|_ is everywhere to =S | 06:42 |
| shackan | mm, I don't know what's missing | 06:42 |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 06:43 | |
| Masca | a wireless crack ;-) to be connected on every wireless we touch | 06:43 |
| *** DeLeOn is now known as DeLe0n | 06:44 | |
| elb | nix's work has been mostly UI fixes | 06:44 |
| elb | since Pidgin really wasn't designed with a finger-touch screen in mind | 06:44 |
| lord_moonraker | deleon: what do u work in? c, or scripts? | 06:45 |
| DeLe0n | yes, i was talking with Masca about that, do you think its possible to make "aircrack" work on the N810? | 06:45 |
| Masca | lord_moonraker: we work in C | 06:45 |
| DeLe0n | lord_moonraker: mergin into C... | 06:45 |
| Masca | yes, he is a noob =P | 06:46 |
| * Masca is a noob to | 06:46 | |
| Masca | s/to/too/ | 06:46 |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 06:46 | |
| shackan | aircrack is going to kill the poor battery tough :D | 06:47 |
| Masca | shackan: but will give you internet acess | 06:48 |
| DeLe0n | shackan: but it would be nice to have access "everywhere" | 06:48 |
| shackan | *cough* | 06:48 |
| *** rubiks has joined #maemo | 06:48 | |
| shackan | good luck breaking WEAP then | 06:48 |
| lord_moonraker | k I was trying to get some devs for new progs for 810 | 06:49 |
| rubiks | weap? | 06:49 |
| shackan | they're becoming very common | 06:49 |
| shackan | eap | 06:49 |
| dragorn | unless someone has rewritten the wireless drivers (which afaik they haven't), you won't be able to do injection, which makes aircrack pretty useless | 06:50 |
| dragorn | ptw would be feasible on that processor probably, but without injection... no. | 06:50 |
| DeLe0n | :S... | 06:50 |
| lord_moonraker | these seems to be enough unencrypted wifi's around it seems to get u connected anywhere | 06:51 |
| shackan | so unless you live in a country like finland, forget about "everywhere" :) | 06:51 |
| Masca | so, we need some wireless drivers rewrite ... | 06:51 |
| Masca | shackan: finland ? | 06:51 |
| _Monkey | i think finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) | 06:51 |
| lord_moonraker | i.e. in us | 06:52 |
| shackan | Masca: just to say a place with a big wifi penetration | 06:52 |
| DeLe0n | shackan: i know... but here in Mexico we have just like 1 hotspot in the whole country haha | 06:52 |
| Masca | haha | 06:53 |
| shackan | well, at least with the gps you can find it quicker :P | 06:53 |
| DeLe0n | masca: we could go to the macroplaza when we get the N810's to show off... theres a hotspot there hahaha | 06:54 |
| Masca | DeLe0n: really ?? in a restaurant or on the plaza ? | 06:54 |
| shackan | yeah, show it off, best way to get robbed :D | 06:54 |
| DeLe0n | masca: in the whole place... i think cause of the gov offices | 06:55 |
| Masca | ohh one thing to thank the gov | 06:55 |
| DeLe0n | shackan: they would thought we stole the N810's... hahaha | 06:55 |
| *** ol_schoola has joined #maemo | 06:58 | |
| DeLe0n | g2g chat u later... | 07:01 |
| DeLe0n | goin out for beer | 07:01 |
| *** DeLe0n has left #maemo | 07:01 | |
| Masca | yes, beer time | 07:01 |
| rhykin | heh | 07:02 |
| ol_schoola | whoa. sandisk ultra II 2Gb mini sd is 13 pounds in UK and 50-79 dollars US. unbelievable | 07:11 |
| *** rubiks has quit IRC | 07:12 | |
| lord_moonraker | hmm, i got the pqi 2gb for 15$ | 07:18 |
| *** erstazi has quit IRC | 07:19 | |
| *** erstazi has joined #maemo | 07:19 | |
| *** hfwilke_ has joined #maemo | 07:23 | |
| *** rkaway has quit IRC | 07:27 | |
| *** mankod has quit IRC | 07:27 | |
| ol_schoola | ah, the one i was looking at is supposedly wicked fast http://www.valuemedia.co.uk/minisd_chart.htm | 07:28 |
| ol_schoola | that helps a lot when offloading photos (nikon raw) to the laptop | 07:29 |
| *** rkaway has joined #maemo | 07:29 | |
| ol_schoola | i'm hoping an SD->CF adapter won't bottleneck. we'll see. if it works, i can do on-the-fly edits without the heavy as macbook in my backpack | 07:31 |
| ol_schoola | s/as/ass | 07:31 |
| *** aloisiojr has joined #maemo | 07:31 | |
| ol_schoola | one (miniSD) card to rule them all | 07:31 |
| lord_moonraker | i hope the mini sd cards become cheaper soon, | 07:32 |
| metatron | sigh, I was ambivalent, but I think I'm liking the n800 over the n810. | 07:33 |
| lord_moonraker | n | 07:34 |
| lord_moonraker | n810 do come with 2gb | 07:34 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 07:34 | |
| ol_schoola | i'm kinda leary of the 810's cap at 10Gb. map data seems to be HUGE and i want to carry some music with lots of space for photos | 07:37 |
| ol_schoola | i've only had 800 for a week so i'm not certain how it's going to load up under normal use yet | 07:38 |
| *** netx has joined #maemo | 07:39 | |
| lord_moonraker | be wary of the media crawler, it starts searching for media files and use up cpu | 07:40 |
| lord_moonraker | trying to update its database | 07:41 |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 07:42 | |
| ol_schoola | media crawler? the built-in media center? | 07:44 |
| lord_moonraker | ya, i think its metacrrawler | 07:44 |
| ol_schoola | shall i go looking for a daemon to slay? | 07:45 |
| captlloyd | Hmm, 2 more weeks until I get my N810 | 07:45 |
| captlloyd | what to do until then? | 07:45 |
| ol_schoola | hah. i've been waiting forever for a wide angle f2.8 lens from nikon so i bought a n800 to distract me | 07:46 |
| captlloyd | :) | 07:46 |
| ol_schoola | bit off more than i can chew! my mythtv systemj is learing at me in the corner of the room, prolly feels neglected :) | 07:47 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 07:47 | |
| ol_schoola | s/lear/leer | 07:48 |
| *** ol_schoola has quit IRC | 07:49 | |
| captlloyd | I looked into getting Internet access by using my mobile phone as a modem. | 07:49 |
| captlloyd | I don't think there's a way I can do it here for less than $60/month | 07:50 |
| captlloyd | at least there's wifi most places I go | 07:50 |
| *** shackan has quit IRC | 07:53 | |
| *** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo | 07:59 | |
| *** hfwilke_ has quit IRC | 08:01 | |
| *** ol_schoola has joined #maemo | 08:06 | |
| *** itnomad has quit IRC | 08:14 | |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 08:18 | |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: fwiw the map data i wanted w/ maemo mapper fit on a 1gb card | 08:20 |
| timelyx | the n810 street maps for usa are something like 1.5g combined (east+west) | 08:20 |
| *** r2d2rogers has joined #maemo | 08:20 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 08:22 | |
| *** sciboy has joined #maemo | 08:22 | |
| metatron | are there china maps? | 08:24 |
| *** metatron is now known as Luria_ | 08:24 | |
| timelyx | now that's a question i haven't seen before | 08:26 |
| * timelyx gets a binary limitation of liability | 08:27 | |
| timelyx | followed by a binary eula | 08:27 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 08:27 | |
| timelyx | note that your map options may vary, as they aren't built into the device, it has to ask the internet for the list | 08:28 |
| timelyx | today the closest it has are turkey and the middle east. no russia/india/australia/japan/china | 08:29 |
| timelyx | please remember that the device is not targeted at china | 08:29 |
| timelyx | we aren't shipping chinese (or japanese or korean or thai) input methods | 08:29 |
| timelyx | the device doesn't go through qa for any such languages (closest is cyrillic/russian, and that isn't close) | 08:30 |
| timelyx | afaik we don't ship fonts for any of those (you can of course download fonts, someone may even make packages to help you) | 08:30 |
| timelyx | there's also no guarantee that installing fonts won't panic/root/reboot your device :) | 08:31 |
| timelyx | (fonts tend to do that sort of thing to desktop os's :) | 08:31 |
| *** r2d2rogers is now known as r2d2rogers|afk | 08:33 | |
| timelyx | heh, they don't have map coverage south of the border (mexico, south america) | 08:34 |
| zoran | timelyx, is there any change in servers configuration, regarding access privilage? | 08:35 |
| timelyx | ? | 08:35 |
| zoran | I have strange error trying to reach servers | 08:35 |
| timelyx | ? | 08:35 |
| zoran | some 10 days ago I stopped to get files via browser and app manager on 770 | 08:36 |
| timelyx | are you using ip over avian carrier? | 08:36 |
| zoran | error mess was "authorization request" etc | 08:36 |
| zoran | nope | 08:36 |
| zoran | domain is "yu" | 08:36 |
| zoran | all providers from that domain have no ability to get maemo files | 08:37 |
| zoran | I ssh to remote box and get files as it should | 08:37 |
| timelyx | sorry, i'm confused | 08:37 |
| zoran | me too | 08:37 |
| timelyx | give me precise steps to reproduce | 08:37 |
| timelyx | you have 5mins, else i'm physically leaving | 08:37 |
| zoran | repository/maemo/org/pool/gregale/free/a/apt | 08:38 |
| timelyx | (well, i'm physically leaving either way) | 08:38 |
| zoran | k | 08:38 |
| timelyx | are you saying you're *physically* somewhere and you think it matters? | 08:38 |
| zoran | yes | 08:38 |
| zoran | I can't refresh app lists on 770 | 08:38 |
| zoran | can't get new files from servers | 08:39 |
| zoran | I filed a bug report | 08:39 |
| zoran | do you need traceroute output of my ip address? | 08:39 |
| timelyx | i'll take the bug id | 08:40 |
| zoran | k | 08:41 |
| *** l7 has quit IRC | 08:41 | |
| zoran | web, servers or something liek that | 08:41 |
| timelyx | bug numbers should have 4 digits | 08:43 |
| zoran | yes, cannot recall now | 08:43 |
| zoran | 2... | 08:43 |
| zoran | in web section | 08:43 |
| timelyx | how about your login? | 08:43 |
| zerojay | Click on My Bugs. | 08:44 |
| zoran | should I login now? | 08:44 |
| zoran | k | 08:44 |
| timelyx | zerojay: won't work if it's unco :) | 08:44 |
| zerojay | Oh really? | 08:44 |
| timelyx | zoran: at this point, you have 1 min to tell me your login name | 08:44 |
| zoran | zoran@fooboo.org | 08:45 |
| zerojay | 2237 | 08:45 |
| zerojay | wtf is a "yu" domain? | 08:46 |
| zerojay | yu.com or blahblah.yu? | 08:46 |
| zoran | former yugoslavia | 08:46 |
| timelyx | attach the web page the web browser sees | 08:46 |
| timelyx | it should have a footer | 08:46 |
| timelyx | footers sometimes are useful | 08:46 |
| timelyx | e./g. they might list a proxy server | 08:46 |
| zoran | sec | 08:47 |
| timelyx | zerojay: can you monitor some of those components and start whacking reporters until they actually give useful reports? | 08:47 |
| *** hircus has joined #maemo | 08:47 | |
| timelyx | zoran: sorry, time expired. i don't care. but your bug won't improve until you do such things | 08:47 |
| zoran | tomorrow | 08:47 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that tomorrow is fine, just as the next week and... | 08:47 |
| zerojay | timelyx: I'll have my shovel with me. | 08:48 |
| zoran | should I give more info? | 08:48 |
| zoran | don't want to bother | 08:48 |
| * timelyx passes zerojay a bucket of aspirin | 08:49 | |
| zerojay | The tablets never were released in Japan, were they? | 08:50 |
| zoran | timelyx, done | 08:50 |
| timelyx | zerojay: correct | 08:50 |
| timelyx | zoran: at this point, you're being managed by zerojay | 08:50 |
| zerojay | So it's pretty doubtful we're going to see Japanese FM radio frequencies added to the FM radio program. ;) | 08:51 |
| timelyx | given that the people who make it are in oulu,fi? | 08:51 |
| timelyx | yeah | 08:51 |
| *** ol_schoola has quit IRC | 08:52 | |
| lopz | bye | 08:52 |
| timelyx | would you expect kanji listings? | 08:53 |
| timelyx | because afaik you can't get the listings in French | 08:54 |
| zoran | zerojay, enough info for now? | 08:54 |
| zerojay | No, this bug was complaining that the FM radio tuner can't tune into Japanese stations because the frequencies used for radio there are different than the EU/US standards. | 08:54 |
| zerojay | Even though the chip supports it with a bit flip. | 08:55 |
| zerojay | zoran: I'll look in a sec. | 08:55 |
| zoran | k | 08:55 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 08:56 | |
| zerojay | Hmm... | 08:56 |
| zerojay | Perhaps Nokia's blocked out countries they knew they didn't sell in... | 08:57 |
| zoran | I think so, also | 08:57 |
| zoran | I bought it over 4 countries and 7 people | 08:57 |
| zerojay | How many .yu domains have you tried it on? | 08:58 |
| alp | zerojay: there is a rounding bug in the algorithm the proprietary tuner app uses | 08:58 |
| zoran | 2 | 08:58 |
| alp | zerojay: we don't have the problem in the managed tuner | 08:58 |
| zoran | but I need my home provider's domain in usage | 08:58 |
| zerojay | Try putting in the .yu domains you tried from as well as a few that did work for you. | 08:59 |
| zerojay | alp: "managed tuner"? | 08:59 |
| zoran | sbb.co.yu and simfonica.co.yu | 08:59 |
| zoran | teh first one is my home domain | 08:59 |
| zerojay | zoran: Add them to the bug. Add in just about anything that even remotely could be helpful. | 09:00 |
| zoran | k | 09:00 |
| *** |tbb| has quit IRC | 09:00 | |
| zerojay | I was going to say that maybe it was your servers blocking them, but then you probably wouldn't be getting those error messages. | 09:00 |
| zoran | error number is 401 | 09:00 |
| alp | zerojay: when they noticed the FM chip i hacked up a c# tuner app for the N800, it's on http://git.ndesk.org/ somewhere | 09:00 |
| zoran | yes, I think nokia changes something | 09:00 |
| zerojay | alp: And it works with Japanese frequencies? | 09:01 |
| alp | zerojay: i don't think anyone has tried, but the tuner scans at steps that work better in some countrie | 09:02 |
| alp | countries | 09:02 |
| zerojay | alp: Have you reported this rounding bug? | 09:02 |
| alp | zerojay: i have no way to confirm it exists in the proprietary tuner because there's no source code | 09:02 |
| alp | so it's just conjecture | 09:03 |
| zerojay | And your program doesn't have the same problem? | 09:03 |
| *** ryanfaerman has quit IRC | 09:04 | |
| alp | zerojay: i think this might have been the fix, http://git.ndesk.org/?p=v4l2-sharp;a=commitdiff;h=94b475d5 -- it's been months, i really don't remember | 09:06 |
| zerojay | If you're up to the task, file a bug so that the people with access to the code for the FM tuner can take a look at it. | 09:08 |
| alp | zerojay: i think it's more effective to provide open, peer reviewed replacements for proprietary components | 09:09 |
| alp | it's difficult to fix a fairly subtle rounding bug like this or even confirm that it exists when you don't have access to the sources | 09:10 |
| zoran | zerojay, I filed comments for #2237. something more needed? | 09:10 |
| zerojay | alp: Agreed, but you have to understand that Nokia's a company that's been used to years and years of everything being closed off and they were successful with it... they're working on opening up further, give it time. | 09:10 |
| zerojay | Also remember that all code has to go through tons of legal crap before it's released as well. | 09:10 |
| zerojay | alp: File the bug. Tell them you want to see the code and they might make it happen. | 09:11 |
| alp | zerojay: i understand very well. i'm working to provide replacements for the proprietary browser and have hacked on various other cool stuff since Maemo came out ;-) | 09:11 |
| zerojay | Well, once IT2008 hits, there won't be a proprietary browser anymore. | 09:11 |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 09:12 | |
| alp | i don't think MicroB is a competent replacement, but i guess i'm highly opinionated ;-) | 09:12 |
| zerojay | zoran: I guess that'll work. We'll see. | 09:12 |
| zerojay | alp: What's incompetent about it? :) | 09:13 |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 09:13 | |
| zerojay | It's going to be interesting to see how the first official release (all others were beta) as part of IT2008 works out, especially with the +70mhz speed jump. | 09:14 |
| *** Luria_ has quit IRC | 09:15 | |
| zerojay | My only real problem is that it's a little slow and sometimes crashes. | 09:16 |
| zerojay | Slower still with Greasemonkey scripts. | 09:16 |
| alp | zerojay: sorry, was doing interactivity benchmarks. i think it is a shame to replace Opera with a slower and less capable browser, that's all. more of my thoughts are here: http://www.atoker.com/webkit/webkitgtk-lce07.pdf | 09:38 |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 09:38 | |
| zerojay | Ugh.. Webkit. | 09:38 |
| zerojay | I wish they didn't change the name. | 09:39 |
| Luria | slower without a doubt, but less capable? | 09:39 |
| zerojay | Opera was far less capable. | 09:39 |
| zerojay | And old as hell. | 09:39 |
| Luria | and totally useless with google | 09:39 |
| Luria | that said, i like the choice of engines | 09:39 |
| zerojay | Having Webkit for the tablets would be great... I just wish they kept the KHTML name. | 09:42 |
| Luria | i really like browser.garage's design | 09:42 |
| Luria | too geeky | 09:43 |
| Luria | and the whole k* thing can be annoying | 09:43 |
| alp | zerojay: i have not said this before since i was indirectly paid by Nokia at the time, but the browser abstraction layer was hard-coded to support either MicroB or Opera. the whole idea of browser choice was a sham (maybe it has changed now) | 09:44 |
| Luria | i wish you could edit/switch the user agent for the browser. sigh. | 09:44 |
| Luria | alp: that's dumb. abstraction is a cool idea. | 09:45 |
| zerojay | If you reflashed and didn't install microb, you'd sometimes get a different set of menu items allowing you to do stuff like enable/disable javascript for all sites or just google.. but it also allowed you to switch engines. | 09:45 |
| zerojay | Engines listed, Opera, MicroB, and Webkit (greyed out). | 09:45 |
| zerojay | So I believe we're getting it eventually. | 09:45 |
| alp | zerojay: do you know how we added WebKit support to the EAL? with a binary hex editor | 09:47 |
| *** ol_schoola has joined #maemo | 09:47 | |
| zerojay | Not a surprise, to be honest with you. | 09:47 |
| zerojay | alp: Got anything released yet? | 09:47 |
| alp | it's funny to hear about this great open development platform and then have to hex edit proprietary abstraction layers to offer an alternative | 09:48 |
| romaxa_ | alp: mda | 09:48 |
| alp | zerojay: i'm not working on the project any more. i think there has been one commit to the EAL repository in the last month, which was to remove an unfinished feature | 09:48 |
| alp | i think there is still potential for a replacement browser but we need a better strategy than the hacks :-) | 09:50 |
| zerojay | Maybe IT2008 will loosen the reigns. | 09:50 |
| *** philipl has joined #maemo | 09:52 | |
| alp | romaxa_: nda? the work i'm talking about was done in spare time as proof of concept | 09:52 |
| zerojay | alp: Have you talked with timeless here before? | 09:53 |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 09:53 | |
| alp | zerojay: i don't remember it being very productive | 09:53 |
| zerojay | lol | 09:54 |
| *** sciboy has quit IRC | 09:54 | |
| romaxa_ | alp: where I can find working Gtk+ application based on webkit? | 09:58 |
| romaxa_ | alp: sources.. | 09:58 |
| _Monkey | sources are there.. you can compile that | 09:58 |
| romaxa_ | I was compiling Webkit for Nxxx ~2 years ago... it was really shit... | 10:00 |
| alp | romaxa_: that's funny. we only really started the gtk+ port a year ago | 10:00 |
| romaxa_ | I was compiling some sources ~ 3 month ago... - nothing was changed | 10:00 |
| alp | maybe you are thinking of gtk-webcore? | 10:00 |
| romaxa_ | alp: maybe | 10:01 |
| romaxa_ | alp: gtk-webcore was very small, at least 2 years ago... | 10:02 |
| alp | gtk-webcore is a different project based on a years-old codebase. i don't know much more than that | 10:03 |
| romaxa_ | alp:size of current webkit ~10Mb | 10:03 |
| romaxa_ | alp: depend on sqlite, cairo..... - I guess it is current webkit? | 10:03 |
| alp | right. SVG, canvas, database, new CSS features all add up but can be disabled at configure time to cut the build to ~6M | 10:04 |
| romaxa_ | alp: I was testing on N800 some webkit port... ~ 2-3 month ago... it was unstable, slow, and without any features... | 10:05 |
| romaxa_ | alp: I was using http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk | 10:08 |
| *** trevarthan has quit IRC | 10:09 | |
| *** trevarthan has joined #maemo | 10:10 | |
| alp | no features? there are some gaps in SVG coverage because the cairo svg backend isn't complete, but i can't imagine how you got a build with no features.. | 10:10 |
| alp | anyway, i think it's more interesting to put real builds side by side. this conversation is not productive ;-) | 10:10 |
| romaxa_ | alp: ./WebKitTools/Scripts/build-webkit -qmakearg=WEBKIT_INC_DIR=$PREFIX/include/WebKit -qmakearg=WEBKIT_LIB_DIR=$PREFIX/lib --gdk | 10:11 |
| romaxa_ | alp: I have build it so.. | 10:11 |
| alp | romaxa_: the "gdk" bit suggests that the build was done before it was even officially the "gtk+" port | 10:11 |
| alp | romaxa_: i think there are some pretty favourable benchmarks. i'll see if i can get permission to blog them | 10:16 |
| alp | (from Trolltech) | 10:17 |
| *** ch4os_ has joined #maemo | 10:22 | |
| *** bilboed has joined #maemo | 10:24 | |
| czr | Jaffa, 'janne johansson' on devml says that dist-upgrade should be possible (don't know if you noticed) | 10:24 |
| *** netx has quit IRC | 10:39 | |
| *** netx has joined #maemo | 10:39 | |
| *** netx has quit IRC | 10:40 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 10:43 | |
| *** netx has joined #maemo | 10:45 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 10:48 | |
| *** unique311 has quit IRC | 10:57 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 11:08 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 11:13 | |
| timelyx | alp: i can see the sources to the proprietary tuner | 11:14 |
| timelyx | tell me what to look for, i'll look | 11:14 |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 11:21 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 11:21 | |
| timelyx | Luria: you can switch the useragent, it's gecko, you change it the same way you would | 11:22 |
| timelyx | for any gecko | 11:22 |
| *** trevarthan has quit IRC | 11:28 | |
| *** sp3000 has joined #maemo | 11:29 | |
| kulve | hmm.. Anybody else having problems logging to bugs.maemo.org? | 11:32 |
| timelyx | as of when? | 11:32 |
| kulve | no matter what I do, it just says "The username or password you entered is not valid." | 11:32 |
| timelyx | i'd have to know my password | 11:33 |
| * timelyx doesn't want to do that | 11:33 | |
| kulve | I can log to garage just fine, but not to bugzilla.. | 11:34 |
| timelyx | they're independent | 11:34 |
| timelyx | zoran: why did you spam 2242? | 11:34 |
| kulve | it sure does seem so | 11:34 |
| timelyx | login worksforme | 11:36 |
| kulve | ah, they *are* independent ;) | 11:36 |
| timelyx | yes, 100% | 11:36 |
| timelyx | different userlist, different password list | 11:36 |
| kulve | I've changed the passwd for garage, but though somehow that it's the same for bugzilla.. | 11:36 |
| *** colinl has joined #maemo | 11:36 | |
| timelyx | if maemo.org switches to ldap, bugzilla could be migrated to use it | 11:37 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 11:40 | |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 11:40 | |
| *** rene4jazz has joined #maemo | 11:42 | |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 11:46 | |
| *** t][s][o has joined #maemo | 11:50 | |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 12:02 | |
| *** rhys has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| *** zchydem_home has joined #maemo | 12:14 | |
| *** sciboy has joined #maemo | 12:14 | |
| *** ch4os_ has quit IRC | 12:18 | |
| *** t][s][o is now known as t_s_o | 12:19 | |
| zchydem_home | good morning folks.. is there a documentation of the maemo platform? Actually I'm interested in about the system boot, logs, scripts, how to disable matchbox and hildon framework etc.. | 12:21 |
| *** procto has quit IRC | 12:26 | |
| kulve | I'm not sure if there are documentation about those, but log in with ssh and experiment.. | 12:27 |
| kulve | if you install syslog, it tells quite much | 12:27 |
| kulve | and iirc, there are even startup scripts for the hildon af, so it should be easy to disable it | 12:27 |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 12:28 | |
| *** slomo has joined #maemo | 12:28 | |
| zchydem_home | ok, thanks | 12:29 |
| kulve | /etc/init.d/af-base-apps | 12:32 |
| kulve | that's something you should check out | 12:32 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 12:33 | |
| *** pna has joined #maemo | 12:34 | |
| *** procto has joined #maemo | 12:34 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 12:36 | |
| kulve | zchydem_home: and remember that some of the services are already started from initfs which is mounted to /mnt/initfs | 12:37 |
| *** db48x has quit IRC | 12:41 | |
| zchydem_home | kulve, ok | 12:43 |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 12:43 | |
| *** db48x has joined #maemo | 12:46 | |
| *** ch4os_ has joined #maemo | 12:48 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 12:48 | |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 12:50 | |
| *** fab has joined #maemo | 12:53 | |
| lord_moonraker | ` | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:58 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| ilrepo | porblems? :) | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| truls | it's all adding up | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| kaltsi | he's being positive | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| *** db48x has quit IRC | 12:59 | |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | what ! ??? | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| * ilrepo waits for excess flood | 12:59 | |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| * Masca add 2 or more + | 12:59 | |
| Masca | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | + | 12:59 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 12:59 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| lord_moonraker | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| Masca | + | 13:00 |
| *** Monkulus has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| *** db48x has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 13:03 | |
| unique311 | fell asleep on the damn keyboard or something | 13:06 |
| *** kpel has joined #maemo | 13:07 | |
| kpel | hi all | 13:07 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 13:09 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 13:10 | |
| *** fsmw has joined #maemo | 13:15 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 13:15 | |
| *** pigeon has quit IRC | 13:16 | |
| kpel | if I want to install Chinook do I have to manually uninstall any previous SDK? | 13:17 |
| *** Luria has quit IRC | 13:18 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 13:24 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 13:29 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 13:35 | |
| *** jonty has joined #maemo | 13:49 | |
| *** VimSi has joined #maemo | 14:04 | |
| *** VimS has quit IRC | 14:06 | |
| *** richieeee72 has joined #maemo | 14:11 | |
| *** richieeee72 has left #maemo | 14:12 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 14:14 | |
| *** guardian has joined #maemo | 14:15 | |
| *** alterego has joined #maemo | 14:15 | |
| *** richieeee72 has joined #maemo | 14:15 | |
| *** richieeee72 has left #maemo | 14:15 | |
| *** zpol has joined #maemo | 14:18 | |
| zpol | hola | 14:18 |
| alterego | Aloha | 14:19 |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #maemo | 14:20 | |
| *** lord_moonraker has quit IRC | 14:33 | |
| *** Dregz has joined #maemo | 14:36 | |
| *** svu has quit IRC | 14:39 | |
| *** Dretches has quit IRC | 14:40 | |
| * DRoBeR is back :) | 14:43 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 14:44 | |
| alterego | Woo! | 14:44 |
| alterego | Anyone know what the idea behind 'hd_plugin_get_objects' is? | 14:45 |
| * alterego is confused. | 14:45 | |
| alterego | I _think_ it's so a plugin can create multiple plugins .. | 14:46 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 14:49 | |
| *** JussiP has joined #maemo | 14:50 | |
| *** db48x has quit IRC | 14:50 | |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 14:57 | |
| *** zpol has quit IRC | 15:01 | |
| *** db48x has joined #maemo | 15:03 | |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 15:06 | |
| *** lardman_ has joined #maemo | 15:09 | |
| *** lardman has quit IRC | 15:09 | |
| *** sciboy has quit IRC | 15:10 | |
| *** m-lund has joined #maemo | 15:11 | |
| m-lund | Hi there: Anyway I can emulate the Nokia N810 experience on my PC before actually buying a N810? | 15:12 |
| m-lund | I mean with Qemu or stuff like that? | 15:12 |
| *** guardian_ has joined #maemo | 15:14 | |
| *** guardian_ has quit IRC | 15:15 | |
| kpel | m-lund: perhaps you could try the SDK (Chinook) | 15:16 |
| m-lund | kpel: Will that give me a complete emulator? | 15:16 |
| kpel | m-lund: it will give you a desktop to run maemo apps. Read this: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html | 15:17 |
| m-lund | kpel: Okay, thanks alot. | 15:17 |
| *** zengeist__ has quit IRC | 15:17 | |
| kpel | obviously things like the camera, the integration with web services etc won't be simulated | 15:18 |
| *** zengeist__ has joined #maemo | 15:18 | |
| m-lund | kpel: fair enough. | 15:18 |
| kpel | m-lund: to be honest the sdk doesn't do justice to the tablet's look and feel. If I had tried the SDK before buying an N800 I wouldn't buy the tablet at all and that would be a shame imho. Your best choice is to go to a Nokia shop and ask them to show you a tablet. | 15:20 |
| *** guardian_ has joined #maemo | 15:20 | |
| kpel | in a few weeks N810 will be in the stores. | 15:20 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 15:20 |
| *** guardian has quit IRC | 15:20 | |
| *** frankl has joined #maemo | 15:20 | |
| m-lund | kpel: From what I've hear from users with the N800, they all seem to be very satisfied. So i might just order one up front. | 15:20 |
| *** guardian_ is now known as guardian | 15:20 | |
| *** frankl is now known as lauti | 15:21 | |
| m-lund | kpel: It will be a nice MythTV frontend. | 15:21 |
| alterego | The SDK is just an environment to test applications you're developing. It doesn't really show how the tablet works or operates in person. | 15:21 |
| kpel | m-lund: I for one am very happy with my N800 :) | 15:21 |
| alterego | Yeah, I love m N800 | 15:21 |
| kpel | i can even play the secret of monkey island on it! | 15:21 |
| alterego | I'm gonna love my N810 more though me thinks ;) | 15:21 |
| m-lund | So are you both going to upgrade it? | 15:21 |
| m-lund | N900 > N810? | 15:21 |
| alterego | Yeah, I got accepted into the device program so I get an N810 super cheap. | 15:22 |
| *** the_weanus has joined #maemo | 15:22 | |
| kpel | i can't afford a second tablet so soon. i bough my n800 in september. | 15:22 |
| alterego | kpel, me too :) | 15:22 |
| m-lund | alterego: Great, sounds cool. | 15:22 |
| alterego | Lucky for the device program ^_^ | 15:22 |
| alterego | I wouldn't have got one either. | 15:22 |
| alterego | I've only had my tablet ~3 months now. | 15:23 |
| kpel | alterego: what is the device program? some internal nokia thing? | 15:23 |
| alterego | It's in the announcements. | 15:23 |
| alterego | So far everytime a tablet has been released they've been giving out discounts to developers, so they can purchase the devices at ~99 EUR. | 15:23 |
| alterego | This year with the N810 they had 500 units on discount and the program was open to anyone. Not just developers. | 15:24 |
| m-lund | I'm a bit curious how it will handle remote X-applications? | 15:25 |
| alterego | Never tried it. | 15:25 |
| m-lund | forwarded through ssh connections. | 15:25 |
| m-lund | This way I can run Open Office from my server. | 15:25 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:25 |
| zerojay | Unless it's VNC, forget about that. | 15:25 |
| m-lund | Tried out the resolution in Xnest. It's actually good enough for typing. | 15:25 |
| alterego | Unfortunately OOo doesn't handle stylus input. | 15:26 |
| alterego | That'd be my guess .. | 15:26 |
| m-lund | Zero_Dogg: It won't be able to handle remote X? Because of the Window-manager? | 15:26 |
| alterego | Yeah, VNC would be a better bet. | 15:26 |
| alterego | m-lund, it's not just the window manager. It's the input methods too. | 15:26 |
| m-lund | alterego: Okay - but I will have to try it anyway :) | 15:27 |
| alterego | What programs do you use in OOo? | 15:27 |
| alterego | You can get gnumeric and abiword for the devices. | 15:27 |
| m-lund | alterego: Yeah, I know. But I think they will fuck up the ODF-documents (not sure, though) | 15:28 |
| alterego | Don't use ODF then .. | 15:28 |
| m-lund | What about freeNX instead of VNC? | 15:28 |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 15:28 | |
| alterego | Again, I don't know. | 15:28 |
| alterego | Never even heard of FreeNX | 15:28 |
| eichi | the new maemo mapper is slower then the older version...maybe couse if the database.. | 15:28 |
| m-lund | alterego: Okay, just have to try it out though | 15:28 |
| alterego | eichi, it's not the database. Read his release notes. | 15:29 |
| dockane | i use postershop and canon network scangear on a windows box via vnc.. works | 15:29 |
| dockane | wonderful | 15:29 |
| alterego | Use google apps ^_^ | 15:29 |
| eichi | alterego, where can i find them? i search simething like this at the moment | 15:30 |
| kpel | alterego: i guess it's not possible to request a tablet now right? i can't do that in my profile. | 15:30 |
| alterego | On the project homepage? | 15:30 |
| alterego | kpel, no. Too late unfortunately. | 15:30 |
| alterego | kpel, maybe you could try next time :)# | 15:30 |
| kpel | alterego: yeah, probably :) | 15:32 |
| eichi | "It | 15:32 |
| eichi | depends on your personal tastes, but the | 15:32 |
| eichi | combination of database use and rotational | 15:32 |
| eichi | functionality have slowed down screen drawing | 15:32 |
| eichi | significantly." | 15:32 |
| kpel | alterego: if i want to install chinook do i have to manually remove the previous sdk? | 15:33 |
| eichi | thats it | 15:33 |
| alterego | kpel, the previous beta chinook SDK? | 15:33 |
| kpel | alterego: i don't think it's chinook but an older one (any way to find out?) | 15:34 |
| alterego | Then no, you don't need to. | 15:34 |
| kpel | will chinook be installed on top of the old one? | 15:35 |
| *** red-zack has joined #maemo | 15:35 | |
| alterego | No | 15:35 |
| alterego | They've changed the SDK naming conventions thank god :) | 15:36 |
| kpel | so in order to have only chinook installed how do i get rid of the old sdk? | 15:36 |
| kpel | do i just remove those debian packages? | 15:36 |
| alterego | sb-conf remove SDK_ARMEL | 15:37 |
| alterego | and: sb-conf remove SDK_X86 | 15:37 |
| kpel | ah, from within the emulator? | 15:38 |
| kpel | ok thanks | 15:38 |
| alterego | From within scratchbox. | 15:38 |
| alterego | It's not an emulator. | 15:38 |
| kpel | my bad. | 15:39 |
| *** fsmw_ has joined #maemo | 15:39 | |
| *** svu has joined #maemo | 15:41 | |
| *** etrunko has joined #maemo | 15:45 | |
| *** shackan has joined #maemo | 15:47 | |
| jjo | you can also use sb-menu to remove the targets if you are unsure of the target names ;) | 15:53 |
| *** fsmw has quit IRC | 15:56 | |
| alterego | sb-conf list --targets | 15:59 |
| alterego | :P | 16:00 |
| Sho_ | By the way, is the "2 GB Flash" of the N810 built into the device in addition to the miniSD slot, or is Nokia simply bundling a 2GB miniSD with the device, i.e. the 2GB actually fill the slot? | 16:02 |
| alterego | Sho_, it's build in. There is no bundled memory card. | 16:02 |
| alterego | s/build/built/ | 16:02 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Sho_, it's built in. There is no bundled memory card. | 16:02 |
| Sho_ | infobot: Ah, ok. I saw a walkthrough video on Internet Tablet Talk where someone was demoing the N810 with a 2GB microSD in a miniSD adapter while mumbling something about "the card I got with [incomprehensible]", so I was wondering | 16:03 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:04 |
| Sho_ | err, alterego, not infobot ;) | 16:04 |
| alterego | ;) | 16:04 |
| Sho_ | (in his defense, my laptop speakers are just plain horrible, so he might in fact be speaking clearly) | 16:06 |
| alterego | :) | 16:06 |
| alterego | You should use a decent pair of headphones or something. | 16:06 |
| alterego | Hmm, require 'hildon-desktop' or 'hildon_desktop' or 'hildon/desktop' | 16:07 |
| alterego | I think I prefer the later. | 16:07 |
| Jiten | http://blog.fishsoup.net/2007/11/10/reinteract-better-interactive-python/ | 16:10 |
| alterego | Funky. | 16:13 |
| daniels | just to debunk something asserted earlier, dist-upgrade from itos2007 to itos2008 is _not_ possible. sucks, but c'est la vie. | 16:14 |
| *** TPC- has joined #maemo | 16:14 | |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 16:14 | |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 16:15 | |
| p| | 'giorno | 16:16 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 16:18 | |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 16:19 | |
| *** pna has joined #maemo | 16:20 | |
| alterego | Is there an extras-devel repository yet? | 16:24 |
| *** KevinVerma has joined #Maemo | 16:28 | |
| Andy80 | lot of people are asking me: what will be the price (in euro or dollar) of the upcoming N810? | 16:30 |
| *** TPC has quit IRC | 16:31 | |
| *** zchydem_ has joined #maemo | 16:31 | |
| astro76 | Andy80, in USD, sounds like ~ $480 to 500 | 16:31 |
| Andy80 | mmm... about 349 € then... | 16:32 |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 16:33 | |
| lopz | hola | 16:33 |
| ab | "It is expected to start shipping mid November with an estimated retail price of 479 USD (excluding local taxes)." | 16:34 |
| timelyx | Andy80: it doesn't work that way | 16:37 |
| timelyx | it'll probably be 475 USD or 475 EUR | 16:37 |
| timelyx | or 9, whichever | 16:38 |
| timelyx | note that in the states you pay sales tax (sometimes) | 16:38 |
| timelyx | in europe, VAT is included | 16:38 |
| alterego | Oooo | 16:38 |
| astro76 | typically 6-8% in the US | 16:38 |
| Andy80 | ah ok | 16:38 |
| alterego | Hey timelyx | 16:38 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... timelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback | 16:38 |
| *** pna has quit IRC | 16:38 | |
| alterego | shuddup monkey | 16:38 |
| timelyx | hrm, that's not quite right | 16:38 |
| Andy80 | here IVA (something like the VAT) is 20% -__- | 16:38 |
| *** the_weanus has quit IRC | 16:39 | |
| alterego | Depending on the price, I might just get my dad one for Christmas and hold on to my N800 ;) | 16:39 |
| alterego | I really _really_ love my N800 | 16:39 |
| *** fr01 has joined #maemo | 16:41 | |
| zerojay | The card slot on the N810 is a micro or mini SD? | 16:42 |
| db48x | what's the easiest way to compile something to be used with maemo-invoker/maemo-summoner? | 16:42 |
| astro76 | zerojay, mini | 16:44 |
| *** zchydem_home has quit IRC | 16:45 | |
| zerojay | Crap.. I want this microSD 6GB card, but it doesn't come with a mini adapter. | 16:46 |
| timelyx | db48x: redefine main to whatever_main, and compile it as a .so instead of a binary | 16:46 |
| db48x | timeless: so just add a -shared to gcc? | 16:47 |
| timelyx | don't forget to fix the entrypoint, but yeah, that sounds about right | 16:47 |
| db48x | summoner source looks like just wants 'main' | 16:48 |
| timelyx | sounds wrong | 16:48 |
| db48x | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/maemo-launcher-0.24/launcher/prog.c#68 | 16:48 |
| db48x | what would the 'whatever' be? | 16:48 |
| zerojay | N810 supports microSDHC, right? | 16:49 |
| timelyx | hrm, maybe | 16:49 |
| astro76 | zerojay, yes with a mini adapter | 16:49 |
| timelyx | db48x: ok | 16:50 |
| timelyx | my memory must be rusty | 16:50 |
| timelyx | i know i tried chasing this stuff once before | 16:50 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook-20071107/source/maemo-launcher-0.24/launcher/launcher.c#675 | 16:52 |
| timelyx | "documentation" :) | 16:52 |
| db48x | I can't wait until we have mobile devices that run normal operating systems, without all this cruft | 16:53 |
| db48x | timelyx: heh | 16:53 |
| *** anothy_x has left #maemo | 16:53 | |
| alterego | launcher and summoner will be deprecated soon I think. | 16:56 |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 17:00 | |
| alterego | Hildon is starting to become a lot nicer to play with. | 17:00 |
| alterego | Shame it's really poorly documented :/ | 17:00 |
| alterego | At least at the level I'm attempting to get in to. | 17:00 |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 17:05 | |
| *** l7 has joined #maemo | 17:05 | |
| l7 | ello | 17:07 |
| *** fsmw_ has quit IRC | 17:08 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 17:10 | |
| *** Juhaz has quit IRC | 17:10 | |
| alterego | Yah for consistant naming conventions O_O | 17:11 |
| *** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo | 17:12 | |
| db48x | hah, maemo-summoner does fail to pass along the commandline arguments | 17:13 |
| alterego | It's like looking at a repeat performance of the first hildon releases ^_^ | 17:13 |
| *** Juhaz has joined #maemo | 17:13 | |
| db48x | argv contains three empty strings | 17:13 |
| alterego | Did you pass 3 empty strings? | 17:13 |
| db48x | rather than the executable name and the two args I'm passing in | 17:13 |
| alterego | Ah. | 17:13 |
| alterego | That's interesting. | 17:14 |
| alterego | Maybe they're nullified. | 17:14 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 17:14 | |
| *** aloisiojr has joined #maemo | 17:15 | |
| *** ZeroDogg has joined #maemo | 17:19 | |
| czr | resistance is futile. your stack will be zeroed? | 17:20 |
| sp3000 | db48x: http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/8014/contributions/5527/commits/11633505 ? | 17:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:22 |
| db48x | sp3000: that sounds hopeful | 17:22 |
| *** ZeroDogg_ has joined #maemo | 17:24 | |
| db48x | kinda funny to be finding it via ohloh though | 17:25 |
| *** MishaS has quit IRC | 17:26 | |
| *** zengeist__ has quit IRC | 17:30 | |
| db48x | bah | 17:31 |
| db48x | more unmet build dependencies | 17:31 |
| alterego | db48x, do what I did. Just give up! :) | 17:31 |
| alterego | Actually, I submitted a bug report and moved on to something else until it's resolved. | 17:32 |
| *** KevinVerma has quit IRC | 17:36 | |
| db48x | I don't really have that option | 17:36 |
| db48x | well, I suppose I do, but then I don't get paid | 17:37 |
| alterego | :/ | 17:37 |
| db48x | so, what apt repository is libhildon*-dev supposed to come from? | 17:37 |
| *** Zero_Dogg has quit IRC | 17:38 | |
| *** ZeroDogg_ is now known as Zero_Dogg | 17:38 | |
| alterego | repository.maemo.org | 17:38 |
| _Monkey | repository.maemo.org is ok | 17:38 |
| db48x | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 17:38 |
| alterego | Well, mines chinook. | 17:38 |
| db48x | hmm | 17:38 |
| lauti | just for interest: can any one tell me how this weird linking of the scratchbox directory inside of a user's home directory is achieved? It looks like a hard-link but these are not possible for directories are they? | 17:39 |
| alterego | lauti, which directory are you talking about? | 17:40 |
| lauti | '/scratchbox/users/<username>/scratchbox | 17:40 |
| *** ZeroDogg has quit IRC | 17:40 | |
| lauti | the content of the inner scratchbox directory is actually the content of the outer one... actually an infinite recursion ;-) | 17:41 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'm not sure how that's done. | 17:41 |
| lauti | find -samefile also warned about this... | 17:41 |
| lauti | that's crazy, isn't it? | 17:41 |
| lauti | it's not a soft link this is ure | 17:41 |
| lauti | sure | 17:41 |
| db48x | arrg | 17:43 |
| db48x | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 17:43 |
| db48x | hildon-control-panel hildon-control-panel-navigatorapplet hildon-fm-dev hildon-fm1 hildon-lgpl-dev id3search libconbtui0 libogs1.2-1 libosso-abook libosso-abook-dev libosso-certman1 | 17:43 |
| db48x | libosso-video-invitation libossomime-dev libossomime0 maemo-af-desktop maemo-explicit maemo-games-startup-dev maemo-launcher maemo-select-menu-location mission-control-filters | 17:43 |
| db48x | osso-addressbook osso-applet-certman osso-contact-plugin osso-esd-dev osso-help-ui osso-speeddial | 17:43 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:43 |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 17:45 | |
| * db48x resigns himself | 17:45 | |
| *** lardman has joined #maemo | 17:45 | |
| *** lardman_ has quit IRC | 17:46 | |
| *** lardman_ has joined #maemo | 17:49 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 17:51 | |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 17:53 | |
| db48x | well | 17:54 |
| db48x | that's interesting | 17:54 |
| *** lauti has quit IRC | 17:54 | |
| db48x | installing the new maemo-launcher deb made my n800 reboot | 17:54 |
| db48x | it's taking an awfully long time to come back up… | 17:57 |
| *** ryanfaerman has quit IRC | 17:57 | |
| timelyx | it would | 17:58 |
| alterego | Uh on :) | 17:58 |
| timelyx | maemo-launcher is a system service | 17:58 |
| db48x | I think I killed it | 17:59 |
| Cord | lauti: thats a mount with option bind: /home/scratchbox on /home/scratchbox/users/cord/scratchbox type none (rw,bind) | 17:59 |
| db48x | the startup progress bar is holding at 90% of the way | 17:59 |
| timelyx | is ssh enabled on your device? | 17:59 |
| *** itnomad has joined #maemo | 17:59 | |
| db48x | yea | 18:00 |
| db48x | it's not responding though | 18:00 |
| db48x | can't imagine why not | 18:00 |
| zoran | ssh is not responding? | 18:01 |
| db48x | yea | 18:01 |
| zoran | do you have ip address? | 18:01 |
| timelyx | nice brick | 18:01 |
| zoran | could you make nmap search for it? | 18:01 |
| db48x | zoran: obviously it doesn't | 18:01 |
| db48x | it's not even finished booting yet | 18:01 |
| zoran | ah | 18:02 |
| db48x | though I rather suspect it's about as far along as it's going to get | 18:02 |
| * timelyx sighs | 18:03 | |
| db48x | ok, so what's the approved procedure for upgrading things like this? | 18:03 |
| timelyx | even w/ sdwilsh's help, i'm still behind | 18:03 |
| timelyx | test in scratchbox first | 18:04 |
| timelyx | then backup your device | 18:04 |
| timelyx | then attach serial cable | 18:04 |
| timelyx | then brick it | 18:04 |
| timelyx | then reflash | 18:04 |
| db48x | heh | 18:04 |
| timelyx | don't tell me you forgot your serial cable :) | 18:04 |
| db48x | wasn't included | 18:04 |
| db48x | unless you mean usb | 18:04 |
| timelyx | no :) | 18:05 |
| timelyx | well, did you at least test in scratchbox? :) | 18:05 |
| db48x | installing those build deps destroyed my scratchbox environment | 18:05 |
| db48x | it uninstalled af-maemo-desktop and so on | 18:05 |
| timelyx | that wasn't a good hint that you had a problem? :) | 18:05 |
| db48x | it was a good hint that anything debian based sucks | 18:06 |
| db48x | heh, I can still access the memory card in the n800 | 18:07 |
| timelyx | you didn't get that hint from me a couple of years ago? | 18:07 |
| * timelyx is so disappointed | 18:07 | |
| db48x | guess that's autonomic | 18:07 |
| db48x | I remember you mentioning it | 18:07 |
| db48x | and I remember experiencing it every single time I've ever tried to use anything debian based | 18:08 |
| db48x | so I didn't read anything special into this particular example of it | 18:08 |
| db48x | now, where did I put the flasher | 18:08 |
| timelyx | someday people will learn not to ignore me | 18:09 |
| timelyx | but clearly i've been waiting many years for that day | 18:09 |
| alterego | You have a serial cable? | 18:10 |
| timelyx | personally, for the n810? no | 18:10 |
| timelyx | but they technically exist | 18:10 |
| alterego | Hmmm .. | 18:10 |
| alterego | JTag? | 18:10 |
| timelyx | nokia's a phone vendor first | 18:10 |
| timelyx | each phone has a jig which has pins and power and some form of serial cable | 18:11 |
| alterego | Sure, I recognise the mbus port. | 18:11 |
| alterego | I have an mbus cable somewhere. | 18:11 |
| alterego | Without knowing the protocols etc it's pretty useless with a tablet though :) | 18:11 |
| timelyx | personally my view is any software engineer above a certain level using the jig is doing something really wrong | 18:11 |
| timelyx | and db48x is well above that level | 18:12 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:12 |
| alterego | I'm getting so many instruction errors from qemu. | 18:12 |
| timelyx | fwiw, i did actually write a patch to some of the code referenced in that ohloh commit :) | 18:12 |
| alterego | What did nokia screw up with glibc? | 18:12 |
| timelyx | last i checked qemu's abi support was at least one arm level less than the device | 18:13 |
| timelyx | and that used by the compiler :) | 18:13 |
| alterego | :/ | 18:13 |
| alterego | That's really usefull. | 18:13 |
| timelyx | useful would be someone paying someone to fix qemu | 18:13 |
| alterego | Considering a lot of the tools needed to compiles packages are built in sbox first. | 18:13 |
| timelyx | don't ask me if that's being done | 18:13 |
| timelyx | simplest solution is to abandon scratchbox | 18:14 |
| timelyx | proper cross compiling would be better | 18:14 |
| alterego | Hmm. | 18:14 |
| alterego | I wouldn't know where to begin. | 18:14 |
| timelyx | apt-get remove scratchbox | 18:14 |
| alterego | So this is a qemu issue? | 18:14 |
| timelyx | i'm not sure what you're seeing | 18:15 |
| timelyx | but assuming i've picked the right problem, yes | 18:15 |
| alterego | I just keep getting loads of unsupported instruction errors. | 18:15 |
| timelyx | that'd match what i'm describing | 18:15 |
| alterego | Well, that's not good .. | 18:16 |
| *** unique311 has quit IRC | 18:16 | |
| alterego | I have no chance of continuing with ruby-maemo if I can't even compile my software O_o | 18:16 |
| timelyx | glibc is open source, no? | 18:16 |
| alterego | Compile/Test | 18:16 |
| timelyx | presumably you can apt-get source | 18:16 |
| timelyx | and then rebuild w/ a qemu supported arm target | 18:17 |
| timelyx | but it would seem odd for the sdk to not actually *work* | 18:17 |
| alterego | Would a package built in that way still work on the device? | 18:17 |
| timelyx | sure | 18:17 |
| timelyx | theoretically it should be slower | 18:17 |
| alterego | I'll give it a go. | 18:18 |
| *** ebel has joined #maemo | 18:18 | |
| alterego | I'm gonna blame you if my computer explodes though :P | 18:18 |
| db48x | arrg | 18:18 |
| timelyx | if you aren't using vmware to host this stuff, you're nuts | 18:18 |
| timelyx | and i so don't support you :) | 18:18 |
| db48x | you have to take out the battery just to download the latest firmware? | 18:18 |
| timelyx | ? | 18:18 |
| timelyx | for n800? | 18:18 |
| timelyx | not if it's bootable | 18:18 |
| db48x | oh, not on the n800 | 18:18 |
| timelyx | about in control panel has the answer | 18:18 |
| db48x | timelyx: haha, very funny | 18:19 |
| alterego | I'm not using VMWare :P | 18:19 |
| timelyx | alterego: your first mistake | 18:19 |
| timelyx | db48x: confused | 18:19 |
| alterego | If my computer was capable I would .. | 18:19 |
| alterego | I have a very shit computer. | 18:19 |
| timelyx | you can grab any version you like if you have vpn | 18:19 |
| timelyx | i have a p2/450 and a g5/1.6ghz | 18:20 |
| timelyx | which of those is going to run scratchbox well? | 18:20 |
| *** dneary has joined #maemo | 18:20 | |
| db48x | Error reading FIASCO header: Success | 18:21 |
| timelyx | lol | 18:21 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:21 |
| db48x | it's a fiasco all right | 18:22 |
| alterego | Hmm. | 18:22 |
| sp3000 | success not being a fiasco, that's one kind of consistent | 18:22 |
| alterego | Neither. Unless you can get vmware for the g5 :P | 18:22 |
| alterego | I just don't have enough RAM in this craptop. | 18:22 |
| alterego | I'll buy a new laptop next week. | 18:22 |
| timelyx | i have 2 1/4 g in my mac | 18:22 |
| alterego | Not sure I can keep on using this POS for much longer :) | 18:23 |
| timelyx | 150mb free | 18:23 |
| db48x | ah, I see | 18:23 |
| sp3000 | that reminds me, I need to shop for some ram | 18:23 |
| db48x | I just hadn't quite finished downloading the file | 18:23 |
| sp3000 | heh | 18:23 |
| alterego | What are the chances of doing tablet dev on a mac? | 18:23 |
| alterego | Ooo .. With Hypervisor VM .. | 18:23 |
| timelyx | alterego: successfully at this point? not very good | 18:23 |
| timelyx | i looked at sb2 | 18:23 |
| timelyx | and it was really not ready | 18:24 |
| alterego | I was thinking of using the vt extensions. | 18:24 |
| timelyx | so, is there a way to read planet or news based on Hearts? :) | 18:24 |
| db48x | alterego: I tried getting xen to work yesterday | 18:24 |
| * timelyx only wants to read articles w/ 20 hearts :) | 18:24 | |
| alterego | db48x, Any luck? | 18:24 |
| db48x | not really | 18:24 |
| alterego | :/ | 18:25 |
| db48x | the gui control panel didn't always work (buttons that didn't do anything when you clicked them, for example), and the command line stuff sometimes hung forever trying to create a vm | 18:25 |
| alterego | I have no idea how to select a qemu supported arm target .. | 18:25 |
| * alterego looks up gcc arm stuff. | 18:26 | |
| * timelyx shrugs | 18:26 | |
| timelyx | i'm not a build person :) | 18:26 |
| alterego | pfft. | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | Ev'ning, all. | 18:27 |
| timelyx | hi | 18:27 |
| * db48x picks a language | 18:28 | |
| timelyx | ooh, superman 2 is on | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | Kneel before Zod! | 18:28 |
| alterego | :) | 18:28 |
| timelyx | Hot dog? Hot dog. | 18:28 |
| timelyx | Oh could I have some orange juice? Freshly squeezed... | 18:28 |
| alterego | Shame I can't do cputransp. That would solve my problems .. | 18:29 |
| timelyx | bah superman 2 gets the physics right | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | czr: there's also a post about it on the top of p.m.o at the moment :-) | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: http://maemo.org/news/ I suppose | 18:29 |
| timelyx | hey, are they on the american or canadian side? | 18:29 |
| * czr nods at jaffa | 18:30 | |
| sp3000 | for some definition of read | 18:30 |
| sp3000 | unless 20+ hearts aims at 0 items :) | 18:31 |
| timelyx | sp3000: cool | 18:31 |
| timelyx | sp3000: *grumble* everywhere i look, i'm "timeless -" | 18:31 |
| alterego | Okay, got that. Now how do I know which arch qemu will be good at? | 18:31 |
| timelyx | what kind of name is that? | 18:32 |
| * timelyx should go back to tim eless | 18:32 | |
| sp3000 | dashing | 18:32 |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 18:32 | |
| * Jaffa is now N800-less; having sold it to a very eager punter on ITT | 18:34 | |
| alterego | NO Jaffa !!!! | 18:34 |
| Jaffa | I'll appreciate the N810 even more when it arrives having been deviceless for a week or two. | 18:35 |
| Andy80 | :) | 18:35 |
| alterego | When I recieved my N800 ~3 months back. IT was like love at first sight :) | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: thanks for the blog post (which is on pmo) saying dist-upgrade works :) | 18:35 |
| l7 | http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/so-you-want-to-be-nokia-internet-tablet.html | 18:36 |
| *** kenne has joined #maemo | 18:36 | |
| db48x | timeless: so why do you think installing this updated maemo-launcher failed? | 18:36 |
| l7 | hey, is anyone running scratchbox on VMware? | 18:37 |
| alterego | czr, you knew a little about this. I'm trying to compile glibc for a subarch better supported by qemu so I can build packages correctly. Do you know what subarch I should choose? | 18:37 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: nothing :) thanks to Janne Johansson that helpend me on the mailing list :) | 18:37 |
| timelyx | did you lose all your packages? | 18:37 |
| czr | alterego, armel? :-) I have no idea with arm | 18:37 |
| alterego | :/ | 18:37 |
| alterego | I can't compile packages due to unknown instructions >:( | 18:38 |
| db48x | timelyx: I lost a lot of stuff I had installed, yea | 18:38 |
| itnomad | built in gps receiver!!! | 18:38 |
| timelyx | that's probably not so good :) | 18:39 |
| db48x | agreed | 18:39 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: one little note.... the target's name remain the same.... SDK_BETA_x86 and SDK_BETA_ARM... I don't know how to rename them | 18:39 |
| alterego | You can rename them manuall. | 18:39 |
| alterego | You can rename them manually | 18:39 |
| Andy80 | alterego: how? | 18:39 |
| db48x | I hadn't backed much of anything up | 18:39 |
| timelyx | also not good :) | 18:40 |
| alterego | /scratchbox/users/*/targets | 18:40 |
| alterego | You need to change the .config file and rename the directory. | 18:40 |
| db48x | so, if installing this package causes the machine to reboot, the proper method would be to compose a new flash image and update my n800 with it, right? | 18:40 |
| alterego | SBOX_TARGET_NAME and SBOX_TARGET_DIR | 18:40 |
| elb | ugh, why /scratchbox :-P | 18:41 |
| timelyx | db48x: you could try to make sure you don't get other things replaced | 18:41 |
| timelyx | or removed | 18:41 |
| alterego | elb, '/' is relative to the parent directory :P | 18:41 |
| db48x | how? | 18:41 |
| Andy80 | alterego: not so easy... there are a lot of links to fix and rename | 18:41 |
| elb | alterego: not if you use the .debs | 18:41 |
| Andy80 | elb: I used .debs | 18:41 |
| alterego | Andy80, oh. I just thought that'd work :) | 18:42 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 18:42 | |
| alterego | Anyhow, I just edited the nokia installer scripts to install under - maemoX-sdk-armel | 18:42 |
| elb | Andy80: and installed to a different prefix? | 18:42 |
| alterego | or i386 | 18:42 |
| zoran | making environment variables could make an issue less annoying | 18:42 |
| Andy80 | elb: and even after the upgrade, the name remain | 18:42 |
| Andy80 | elb: no... I simply used the script provided by Maemo website | 18:42 |
| Andy80 | and didn't change the prefix or path... | 18:43 |
| elb | (the comments in maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh indicate that it installs to /scratchbox, and that's Just It) | 18:43 |
| elb | Andy80: so your install is in /scratchbox? | 18:43 |
| Andy80 | elb: yes | 18:43 |
| elb | right ... not helpful to me | 18:43 |
| elb | I don't have enough space on / | 18:43 |
| *** vivijim has joined #maemo | 18:44 | |
| timelyx | can't you make a mountpoint for /scratchbox ? | 18:44 |
| * elb tries to trick it with a symlink | 18:44 | |
| Andy80 | one question: what is the difference, once I'm logged into my scratchbox environment, doing: apt-get install something or doing fakeroot apt-get install something ? | 18:44 |
| timelyx | the former should fail? :) | 18:44 |
| elb | timelyx: this is a laptop, and all available partitions are already mounted | 18:44 |
| db48x | wtf | 18:44 |
| db48x | now my wifi doesn't work | 18:44 |
| timelyx | elb: bah, good luck w/ the symlink | 18:45 |
| alterego | Hah | 18:45 |
| alterego | db48x, to a cold boot. Take out battery and wait a few seconds. | 18:45 |
| db48x | hrm | 18:45 |
| db48x | works now | 18:46 |
| db48x | must have been a fluke | 18:46 |
| elb | timelyx: it's doing ... something ;-) | 18:46 |
| * alterego cries. | 18:46 | |
| alterego | How easy is it to make a scratchbox devkit? Like perl? | 18:47 |
| astro76 | is there a trick to getting the battery out of an n800? | 18:47 |
| zerojay | Um.. you pull it out? | 18:47 |
| db48x | screwdriver | 18:47 |
| alterego | astro76, take the back of and tap the front with your hand under the battery. | 18:47 |
| alterego | Then catch | 18:47 |
| timelyx | bang the device against your hand | 18:47 |
| zerojay | You could damage the battery with the screwdriver. | 18:47 |
| astro76 | it won't come out with my fingernail, it's really tight | 18:47 |
| astro76 | tapping is also unsuccessful | 18:48 |
| zerojay | Maybe I don't feel sympathetic because I spent about a year and a half pulling out phone batteries and swapping sims daily. | 18:48 |
| alterego | I'm so crap. I've lost my stylus like 5 times today. | 18:48 |
| alterego | Hah | 18:49 |
| db48x | alterego: I keep doing that too | 18:49 |
| alterego | It just fell down the side of my bed this time :/ | 18:49 |
| db48x | heh | 18:49 |
| alterego | It's very annoying. | 18:51 |
| alterego | I think I'm going to attach a bit of thread to if from my tablet :) | 18:51 |
| *** trevarthan has joined #maemo | 18:52 | |
| itnomad | put a rubber band around your wrist and park your stylus there. | 18:54 |
| alterego | I should just super glue it in place. | 18:54 |
| alterego | Use it as a 5th finger. | 18:54 |
| db48x | heh | 18:55 |
| alterego | The N800 stylus is super comfy compared the the 770's | 18:55 |
| alterego | I wonder what the N810's will be like. | 18:55 |
| itnomad | I think everything about the n800 is better than the 770 | 18:56 |
| alterego | Yeah. | 18:56 |
| itnomad | except maybe the appearance. I like the slick look of the 770. | 18:56 |
| * alterego chuckles. | 18:56 | |
| alterego | I always thought the 770 looked like a toy. | 18:56 |
| itnomad | I fell off my chair when it showed up in that Blue Surfer movie. | 18:57 |
| alterego | The N800 is far more serious a device. | 18:57 |
| timelyx | silver | 18:57 |
| timelyx | yeah, nokia has some marketing connections | 18:57 |
| itnomad | timelyx: indeed..thanks. | 18:57 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:57 |
| alterego | That was funny. | 18:57 |
| timelyx | i see lots of nokia phones placed in movies | 18:58 |
| alterego | Yeah, Matrix .. | 18:58 |
| timelyx | but, i think that's basically money | 18:58 |
| *** pupnik has joined #maemo | 18:59 | |
| timelyx | otoh, it doesn't seem like nokia can get products placed in tv shows | 19:00 |
| alterego | I came up with this cool idea for a desktop applet. | 19:00 |
| timelyx | superman.powers*=0 | 19:00 |
| alterego | Hopefully I'll finish ruby-hildon-desktop this evening and be able to work on it. | 19:00 |
| alterego | After I've released 0.3.0 for maemo4 .. | 19:01 |
| itnomad | I'd like to see a radar detector that pops up on the GPS screen of the n810 when needed | 19:01 |
| timelyx | heh | 19:01 |
| itnomad | :) | 19:01 |
| timelyx | the chinook sdk got 1 thumbs down | 19:01 |
| alterego | I'd say it's an improvement. Though, that's probably from an API perspective. It's hard to tell how things are working at lower lever. | 19:03 |
| alterego | Though, there's a repeat of some bad practises from the old hildon api repeating in the new hildon-desktop API I noticed. | 19:04 |
| alterego | Odd naming conventions. | 19:04 |
| pupnik | 'lower lever' ... huhuhuh </beavis> | 19:04 |
| pupnik | greets | 19:04 |
| alterego | Which means, if they fix it like the did with the old oddities. Then there's another API break .. | 19:04 |
| *** aloisioj1 has joined #maemo | 19:11 | |
| *** red-zack has quit IRC | 19:11 | |
| *** xadap has joined #maemo | 19:12 | |
| *** aloisiojr has quit IRC | 19:12 | |
| xadap | hi :) | 19:12 |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 19:14 | |
| *** red-zack has joined #maemo | 19:15 | |
| pupnik | good $day | 19:15 |
| * db48x yawns | 19:17 | |
| *** red-zack has quit IRC | 19:17 | |
| * pupnik gives lardman 5 internets and a 'huzzah' | 19:20 | |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=92973&postcount=19 | 19:20 |
| lopz | re | 19:24 |
| db48x | yarg | 19:26 |
| db48x | ssh is timing out again | 19:26 |
| *** MoRpHeUz has joined #maemo | 19:26 | |
| Monkulus | timelyx, nokia's not so great at movie product placement. | 19:26 |
| Monkulus | After all, are they in Superman 2? Does Zod conquer with the unholy union of IT and Symbian phone? Does Superman kneel at the sight of a slide out keyboard? | 19:27 |
| *** Monkulus is now known as Luria | 19:27 | |
| Luria | I wonder if anyone paid for placement in Superman 4. I would have sued for damages. | 19:28 |
| pupnik | we saw 770 in a movie i think | 19:28 |
| Luria | pupnik, FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer. | 19:29 |
| Luria | it's Reed Richards's X10 controller, more or less. | 19:29 |
| Luria | plus a world emergency rss feed. | 19:30 |
| alterego | Yeah, that was fun. | 19:30 |
| Luria | I need that. | 19:30 |
| pupnik | Hildon Input Method: Insensitive Press... | 19:32 |
| Luria | meh, I want my os 2008 already, so I can get the two day long hassle of getting everything back to where it was over with. | 19:32 |
| Luria | lol | 19:32 |
| Luria | i searched for "mass attraction" on wikipedia | 19:33 |
| Luria | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=mass%20attraction&go=go&sourceid=customizegoogle | 19:33 |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 19:33 | |
| Luria | i think the search engine took it a bit too literally. | 19:34 |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 19:35 | |
| pupnik | any thoughts about miniSD card brands? | 19:38 |
| *** fr01 has quit IRC | 19:38 | |
| maddler | pupnik: SanDisk... | 19:38 |
| maddler | imho | 19:39 |
| pupnik | wow 2GB only 14 euro | 19:39 |
| pupnik | ty | 19:40 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 19:40 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 19:40 | |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 19:43 | |
| *** xadap has quit IRC | 19:43 | |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 19:45 | |
| *** rubiks has joined #maemo | 19:45 | |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 19:46 | |
| *** killfill has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| killfill | hey.. | 19:51 |
| killfill | cna i install chincook on a N800? | 19:51 |
| killfill | cannot find the image(s)... | 19:51 |
| killfill | :( | 19:51 |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 19:52 | |
| *** alex-weej_ has joined #maemo | 19:52 | |
| alterego | killfill, it's not out yet. | 19:52 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 19:53 | |
| *** killfill has quit IRC | 19:54 | |
| *** killfill has joined #maemo | 19:55 | |
| killfill | anyone alife.. :) | 19:55 |
| alterego | It is not out yet. | 19:55 |
| maddler | hmmm... did anyone noticed the N810's USB connector shape? | 19:55 |
| maddler | killfill: you gotta wait... | 19:56 |
| alterego | maddler, it's smaller than the standard mini. | 19:56 |
| alterego | MicroUSB probably ^_^ | 19:56 |
| maddler | alterego: right... | 19:56 |
| killfill | ah.. its just for 810 today isnit? | 19:56 |
| alterego | It looks identical though. | 19:56 |
| alterego | killfill, no. It will be released for the N800 too. But it's not out yet! | 19:56 |
| killfill | oh.. wanted to add something funny to do this sunday.. :S | 19:57 |
| hircus | maddler: it's confirmed to be micro-USB, from the reviews I've seen | 19:57 |
| zerojay | It'll probably be another two or three Sundays before you can do that on the N800. | 19:57 |
| maddler | yep... | 19:57 |
| maddler | http://europe.nokia.com/A4448100 | 19:57 |
| maddler | CA-101 usb cable... | 19:58 |
| killfill | oh that far away?.. 1 moth?.. | 19:58 |
| killfill | damn. | 19:58 |
| zerojay | A week or two after the N810 launch. | 19:58 |
| Andy80 | maddler: what is microUSB? | 19:58 |
| maddler | ANDY! :D | 19:58 |
| maddler | :D | 19:58 |
| maddler | a smaller USB connector... | 19:58 |
| maddler | just to avoid you can use same cable with all you devices... ;) | 19:59 |
| timelyx | zerojay: jaffa | 19:59 |
| maddler | I hate that!!! | 19:59 |
| timelyx | i think it's designed to support usb-otg | 19:59 |
| *** xadap has joined #maemo | 19:59 | |
| killfill | "OS2008 are both fully compatible with the Nokia N810 and N800".. guess it means it is compatible with n800 in the future.. :P | 20:00 |
| Andy80 | maddler: ahhh ok :) | 20:00 |
| hircus | killfill: as I understand it, the N800 update will be released simultaneously with the N810 launch | 20:00 |
| Andy80 | maddler: the one on the left? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USB_types_2.jpg | 20:01 |
| zerojay | hircus: That's what's been publically stated but someone in the know said they expect it to be a week or two after launch. | 20:01 |
| hircus | it's the exact same hardware, minus the FM and SD reader, plus the GPS, keyboard and mini-SD | 20:01 |
| killfill | aah.. what was release was only the sdk, not the "user" images? | 20:01 |
| hircus | zerojay: ah ok | 20:01 |
| hircus | killfill: the recent Chinook announcement? yes | 20:01 |
| killfill | aAAah... | 20:02 |
| hircus | I was wondering why my SDK had no updates available for weeks, but when I updated yesterday there was an avalanche of updates | 20:02 |
| timelyx | hircus: and the transflexive screen | 20:02 |
| Andy80 | hircus: maybe becase SDK 4.0 final is out :) ?? | 20:02 |
| Andy80 | where can I get more information about the n810 touch screen? is it more similar to iPhone one? | 20:03 |
| hircus | timelyx: yes, but that's not dependent on OS | 20:03 |
| hircus | Andy80: yes, that's what I meant when I told killfill :) | 20:03 |
| timelyx | hircus: ok, ambient light sensor? | 20:03 |
| hircus | oh yes, actually, the light sensor -- you beat me to it | 20:04 |
| *** itnomad has quit IRC | 20:04 | |
| hircus | but it's the kind of thing that they could include in the image for N800 and it would not do any harm | 20:04 |
| hircus | (apart from taking up space) | 20:04 |
| timelyx | actually | 20:04 |
| timelyx | i believe it's supposed to behave differently | 20:04 |
| timelyx | although i haven't run itos2008 images on the n800 | 20:04 |
| timelyx | because at least on the n810 you get fewer brightness settings than in itos2007 | 20:05 |
| Andy80 | timelyx: are you using the n810 at the moment? | 20:05 |
| timelyx | one or two | 20:06 |
| _Monkey | 3 | 20:06 |
| Andy80 | wow :) | 20:06 |
| timelyx | three or five | 20:06 |
| _Monkey | 7 | 20:06 |
| Andy80 | what about the screen? | 20:06 |
| timelyx | Andy80: there's no sun here | 20:06 |
| timelyx | ask in may | 20:06 |
| Andy80 | :D | 20:06 |
| *** pleemans has joined #maemo | 20:06 | |
| Andy80 | I was not talking about the readibility under the sun :P I was talking about the touching sensitivity... | 20:07 |
| timelyx | it took me a while before the n800 protos started wearing to the point they were unusable | 20:07 |
| timelyx | i've had <5weeks where i could use an n8100 | 20:07 |
| timelyx | er | 20:08 |
| timelyx | i've had <5weeks where i could use an n810 | 20:08 |
| *** celesteh has joined #maemo | 20:08 | |
| timelyx | and i'm balancing wear across 2 n810s, and maybe 4 n800s | 20:08 |
| timelyx | plus, there's no software to use | 20:08 |
| Andy80 | timelyx: and what do you do with all these devices :) ? | 20:09 |
| timelyx | browse the web | 20:09 |
| timelyx | try to get other people to use them | 20:09 |
| timelyx | find embarrassing bugs | 20:09 |
| Andy80 | with all of them :D ??? you're an octopuss!!! :D | 20:09 |
| Andy80 | I'm joking ;) | 20:09 |
| timelyx | two for me, and 2 for two other people | 20:09 |
| *** dockane_ has joined #maemo | 20:10 | |
| *** alex-weej_ has quit IRC | 20:10 | |
| zerojay | Are you getting wear on the screen like I am? | 20:11 |
| timelyx | on the n800 proto i got wear | 20:11 |
| timelyx | the others haven't suffered too badly | 20:11 |
| zerojay | Mine's starting to cry. | 20:12 |
| zerojay | Selling it as soon as the N810 is up for order to a coworker. | 20:12 |
| zerojay | Not that I want to sell it, but to cover the cost of the N810. | 20:12 |
| *** rubiks has quit IRC | 20:13 | |
| *** killfill has quit IRC | 20:15 | |
| pupnik | haven't seen any wear on the 770 - i assume the material is the same | 20:15 |
| zerojay | Maybe you don't do as much chatting as I do. | 20:16 |
| Andy80 | maddler: I'd like to organize an event, here in Italy, to spread the Maemo platform: introduction to maemo, installing the SDK, available development languages, ecc.... what do you think about? | 20:17 |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 20:17 | |
| maddler | Andy80: that could be interesting... | 20:18 |
| maddler | Andy80: also another friend got the Mail ;) | 20:19 |
| *** KevinVerma has joined #maemo | 20:19 | |
| alterego | Think I've persuaded my dad to get an N810 instead of pinching my N800 :) | 20:22 |
| zerojay | timelyx: E-mail me your address. jay@jablet.net | 20:24 |
| xadap | i've found a battery on ebay, BP-5L | 20:25 |
| xadap | 5€ | 20:25 |
| xadap | would you trust it? :/ | 20:25 |
| alterego | Would I trust anything? | 20:26 |
| xadap | GNU/Linux, of course | 20:26 |
| alterego | Pfft. | 20:26 |
| *** dockane has quit IRC | 20:26 | |
| alterego | Not likely. | 20:26 |
| xadap | haha | 20:26 |
| xadap | the point is that comes from a chinese seller | 20:26 |
| alterego | When it comes to software it's hard to trust anything. | 20:26 |
| xadap | and they doesn't speak spanish very well | 20:27 |
| *** zerojay has quit IRC | 20:28 | |
| *** bedboi has joined #maemo | 20:29 | |
| maddler | xadap: I wouldn't... | 20:29 |
| bedboi | hi there. | 20:29 |
| alterego | I seem to spend more time looking at maemo source than I do my own :/ | 20:29 |
| maddler | hi bedboi | 20:29 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I think I'm nearly done now :) | 20:30 |
| bedboi | is there a way to find out the version of maemo installed? | 20:30 |
| alterego | bedboi, on a tablet? | 20:30 |
| bedboi | nope | 20:30 |
| alterego | SDK? | 20:30 |
| bedboi | at compile time | 20:30 |
| _Monkey | i heard SDK was not complete yet, anyway | 20:30 |
| alterego | bedboi, check for libraries. | 20:30 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: shut your mouth. | 20:30 |
| _Monkey | bedboi: excuse me? | 20:30 |
| alterego | hildon-1 for Maemo4 | 20:30 |
| elb | boo for infobots | 20:30 |
| alterego | hildon-libs for maemo3 | 20:31 |
| bedboi | yep i know this, it would be convenient to have something like MAEMO_VERSION | 20:31 |
| alterego | Not sure about maemo2 | 20:31 |
| *** zerojay has joined #maemo | 20:31 | |
| alterego | Well, you could set that yourself ;) | 20:31 |
| alterego | But no. There is no real way. | 20:31 |
| bedboi | alterego: ok. | 20:31 |
| alterego | You should really just be checking against the libraries you're using though. | 20:31 |
| bedboi | i was doing that way | 20:31 |
| alterego | The Maemo release doesn't matter. | 20:31 |
| alterego | You're not compiling against some Maemo lib after all ;) | 20:32 |
| bedboi | i'll just use ./configure --enable-chinhook | 20:32 |
| bedboi | because my app works on gpe too | 20:32 |
| alterego | chin-hook? Sounds painfull. | 20:32 |
| alterego | ;) | 20:32 |
| bedboi | ahha | 20:32 |
| bedboi | chinook | 20:32 |
| _Monkey | chinook is the tag name for OS2008 | 20:32 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: i said, please shut your bot-mouth | 20:33 |
| _Monkey | bedboi: excuse me? | 20:33 |
| bedboi | :) | 20:33 |
| xadap | is there any trouble with osso-statusbar-cpu and OS2007HE ? | 20:34 |
| alterego | xadap, you tell me. Are you having trouble? :) | 20:34 |
| xadap | yes, but i was asking for already known trouble :) | 20:34 |
| alterego | What is _your_ trouble? | 20:35 |
| xadap | i've installed it without problems and it doesn't wanna run :/ | 20:35 |
| alterego | Have you tried restarting? | 20:35 |
| xadap | twice | 20:35 |
| alterego | Hmm, | 20:35 |
| alterego | reinstalling? | 20:35 |
| xadap | i'm doing it at the moment | 20:35 |
| xadap | that's going to be the 3rd attempt | 20:35 |
| alterego | Doesn't sound too promising. | 20:36 |
| *** playya has quit IRC | 20:36 | |
| xadap | it doesn't work, again | 20:36 |
| alterego | Are you using seatbelt? | 20:36 |
| xadap | i didn't install it since OS2007HE doesn't crash | 20:37 |
| xadap | should I try it anyway? | 20:37 |
| *** cmarcelo has joined #maemo | 20:37 | |
| alterego | Yes | 20:37 |
| alterego | The crashes are programs stopping (or not starting) due to low memory. | 20:37 |
| *** unique311 has quit IRC | 20:37 | |
| xadap | agr, i thought crashes were unwanted reboots | 20:37 |
| alterego | I think that's something else. | 20:38 |
| *** playya has joined #maemo | 20:39 | |
| *** xadap has quit IRC | 20:40 | |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 20:40 | |
| *** xadap has joined #maemo | 20:42 | |
| xadap | this time the computer crashed down, not the nokia | 20:42 |
| *** xadap_ has joined #maemo | 20:44 | |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 20:45 | |
| *** penguinbait has joined #maemo | 20:46 | |
| xadap_ | well | 20:47 |
| xadap_ | seatbelt installed, nokia 770 rebooted | 20:47 |
| xadap_ | and cpu monitor doesn't work yet :/ | 20:48 |
| *** Atarii` has joined #maemo | 20:48 | |
| *** xadap has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** celesteh has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** ajturner has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** aloisioj1 has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** pupnik has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** netx has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** hircus has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** r2d2rogers|afk has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** FMz_ has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** truls has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** cambba has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** tko has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** greedo__ has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** tigert has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** captlloyd has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** hexa has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** rev has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** _matthias_ has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** lnx^ has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** hap has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** wumpus has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** X-Fade has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** jobi has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** zenix has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** xadap_ is now known as xadap | 20:49 | |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 20:49 | |
| xadap | haha | 20:52 |
| xadap | working! | 20:52 |
| _Monkey | i guess working is a big word, bug the content-type is right | 20:52 |
| xadap | in OS2006 mistral it used to be enabled automatically | 20:52 |
| xadap | in bora, i have to enable it from the control panel | 20:52 |
| *** celesteh has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** ajturner has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** aloisioj1 has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** pupnik has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** netx has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** hircus has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** r2d2rogers|afk has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** FMz_ has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** truls has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** cambba has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** hexa has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** X-Fade has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** zenix has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** captlloyd has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** rev has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** lnx^ has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** jobi has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** tigert has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** _matthias_ has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** hap has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** tko has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** greedo__ has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** wumpus has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** truls has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** _matthia1_ has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** truls has joined #maemo | 20:53 | |
| *** _matthias_ has quit IRC | 20:54 | |
| *** happy_ has joined #maemo | 20:54 | |
| l7 | does anyone know if the n800 or n810 will support 16 or 32 gb cards? | 20:55 |
| l7 | mainly wondering about the n800 | 20:55 |
| *** maddler has quit IRC | 20:57 | |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93314 | 20:57 |
| penguinbait | 16GB looks like people are using it | 20:57 |
| *** pleemans has quit IRC | 20:57 | |
| zerojay | Gotta be super expensive. | 20:58 |
| l7 | penguinbait: ah yeah, i'm reading that one | 20:59 |
| l7 | There have been some problems with (in particular) SDHC cards, which could cause data/card corruptions. This has been resolved in the latest OS revision, but technically speaking the problems were caused by cards not fully following the SDHC specifications. | 20:59 |
| *** fsmw has joined #maemo | 20:59 | |
| l7 | Thus, Nokia is presumably a bit conservative with what they 'officially' support, but as mentioned above all types of cards should work as far as the filesystem/addressing is concerned. | 20:59 |
| l7 | the spectre of data corruption concerns me | 21:00 |
| penguinbait | It was a kernel bug | 21:00 |
| penguinbait | nothing to do with not following specs? | 21:00 |
| zerojay | It was a kernel bug, however the reason the cards died is because they weren't following the specs. | 21:00 |
| l7 | he said it was caused by the SDHC cards not following spec.. | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | Ah, I had kingston, | 21:01 |
| l7 | hmm, any problems with kingston? | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | lots of corruption, but the card was always recoverable | 21:01 |
| l7 | hrm | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | not with new firmware | 21:01 |
| xadap | only with SD? | 21:01 |
| zerojay | That's the worst that should happen with cards that follow spec. | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | I have 8gb Kingston | 21:01 |
| l7 | i guess one could use a 16gb or 32gb card for mp3s / movies / maps | 21:02 |
| l7 | or whatever you have a second copy of | 21:02 |
| l7 | and keep stuff like email on an 8gb | 21:02 |
| l7 | if you were really worried | 21:02 |
| *** hap has quit IRC | 21:03 | |
| zerojay | As long as you know how to properly use cards, you should be fine. | 21:03 |
| zerojay | Though it appears that not many do know how to use them properly. | 21:03 |
| Andy80 | one question about os2008: video call is available only with Gizmo or with Skype too? | 21:03 |
| l7 | and as long as the brand is legit i suppose | 21:03 |
| l7 | has anyone had experience with a-data? | 21:03 |
| zerojay | Andy80: Video calling is available in IT2008.. it's the final version of the RTCOMM beta. | 21:04 |
| zerojay | So far just works tablet to tablet though as far as I know. | 21:04 |
| zerojay | Skype doesn't have video calling on the tablets. | 21:04 |
| l7 | i've found mentions of a-data cards corrupting data or being excessively fragile | 21:04 |
| l7 | i guess you pays your money and takes your chances | 21:05 |
| Andy80 | zerojay: so, it only works with Gizmo, right? | 21:05 |
| *** k-s[WORK] has joined #maemo | 21:05 | |
| zerojay | Well, with a beta of Gizmo it worked the one time I tried it. | 21:05 |
| zerojay | But it's all very experimental. | 21:05 |
| zerojay | Don't buy a tablet expecting to video call anyone. | 21:05 |
| Andy80 | mmm... so what is the application that better support video calling on os2008 ? | 21:06 |
| *** hexa00 has joined #maemo | 21:06 | |
| zerojay | ... | 21:07 |
| *** hexa has quit IRC | 21:07 | |
| *** hexa00 is now known as hexa | 21:07 | |
| penguinbait | I am hoping 2008OS brings 800 and 810 together for vide calling | 21:07 |
| Andy80 | sorry... maybe I didn't understand something :\ | 21:07 |
| Andy80 | is it only supported by os2008 API's? | 21:08 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Pretty sure we'll be able to do N800 -> N810 without a problem. | 21:08 |
| penguinbait | Are the camer specs better on 810? | 21:08 |
| zerojay | Andy80: Unless you have a tablet at both ends, there is no video calling solution for you. | 21:08 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: I believe so. | 21:08 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Maybe even VGA. | 21:08 |
| penguinbait | I hope so | 21:09 |
| zerojay | Andy80: Gizmo has a beta, but it doesn't work very well and I believe it was recently removed. | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | God I wish it was released | 21:09 |
| Andy80 | zerojay: ok... so only support from a tablet to another... ok. | 21:09 |
| zerojay | For now, yes. | 21:09 |
| zerojay | Nokia's working on something for it though, I'm pretty sure. | 21:09 |
| zerojay | To replace the call invitation beta they used to have (and that I used to use a lot). | 21:10 |
| *** Atarii` is now known as Atarii | 21:10 | |
| *** Ryback_ has joined #maemo | 21:10 | |
| penguinbait | They need to deliver a useable product, that call invitation was garbage | 21:11 |
| zerojay | Well, it was labeled a beta so that's kind of to be expected. | 21:11 |
| zerojay | It didn't work all that well. | 21:11 |
| penguinbait | Lots of people bought n800 thinking they could wasily make video calls | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | that was not the case | 21:12 |
| zerojay | Honestly, I don't really care about video calling anymore anyways. | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | s/wasily/easily | 21:12 |
| penguinbait | me either | 21:13 |
| zerojay | The people I used to video call are now living with me so... | 21:13 |
| penguinbait | not the point though, cant advertise it then deliver nothing | 21:13 |
| kpel | so you can't hide from them :) | 21:13 |
| zerojay | They didn't advertize it. I don't think. | 21:13 |
| penguinbait | Internet calling with web camera | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | ? | 21:14 |
| zerojay | Where's that? | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | I am reading my box | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | :) | 21:14 |
| zerojay | It had that. | 21:14 |
| zerojay | They took it away, but they had that. | 21:14 |
| zerojay | I just didn't remember it being on the box. | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | It was, and is on mine,not sure if they removed it? | 21:15 |
| *** richieeee72 has joined #maemo | 21:15 | |
| zerojay | I'll take a look at mine. | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | right on top,of the back, third sentence | 21:16 |
| kpel | so you can't do a video call using a google account ? | 21:16 |
| *** richieeee72 has left #maemo | 21:16 | |
| penguinbait | Agaoin I dont use iteither | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | but | 21:16 |
| hexa | it's in their flash anim for the n800 too ... | 21:17 |
| penguinbait | On another note, I got most of Koffice going this morning :) | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11590&goto=newpost | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | Kspread and Kchart are the only ones not working in the suite | 21:18 |
| TPC- | can you draw in krita using the touch screen? | 21:20 |
| zerojay | Krita should allow you to even use different pressures. | 21:21 |
| *** timelE61i has joined #maemo | 21:22 | |
| timelE61i | today's gem.... | 21:22 |
| penguinbait | Not sure if Krita compiled, loking now | 21:22 |
| penguinbait | ? | 21:22 |
| timelE61i | application manager: | 21:22 |
| timelE61i | (i) Unable to install %s. | 21:23 |
| zerojay | lol | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | Incompatible application package. | 21:23 |
| zerojay | Over escaping? | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | (OK) | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | dunno. Not quite sure i want to look | 21:23 |
| timelE61i | i'd vote for undertesting | 21:24 |
| zerojay | timelE61i: E-mail me your meatspace address. | 21:24 |
| penguinbait | No Krita either, I may have chosen not to compile it because of deps, I will see if I can get it working also when I try to fix kspread and kchart | 21:24 |
| timelE61i | Zerojay: k, lemme walk home | 21:24 |
| zerojay | timelE61i: XviD AVIs burned to DVD alright with you? | 21:25 |
| *** koen has joined #maemo | 21:26 | |
| *** erstazi has quit IRC | 21:27 | |
| *** erstazi has joined #maemo | 21:27 | |
| * timelE61i shrugs | 21:31 | |
| *** unique311 has quit IRC | 21:31 | |
| timelE61i | include commercials :) | 21:31 |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 21:31 | |
| zerojay | Haha.. miss Colgate and McDonalds commercials? | 21:32 |
| timelE61i | we don't get high quality ones here | 21:32 |
| zerojay | Well, these already have commercials cut out, but I could always download a torrent of commercials. heh. | 21:33 |
| *** vivijim has quit IRC | 21:34 | |
| timelyx | we do actually have those two, although they don't seem to be very good and i don't understand them | 21:36 |
| zerojay | Hah. | 21:36 |
| *** vivijim has joined #maemo | 21:37 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 21:41 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 21:42 | |
| *** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo | 21:42 | |
| *** RushPL has quit IRC | 21:42 | |
| *** kpel has quit IRC | 21:44 | |
| *** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo | 21:45 | |
| *** zchydem__ has joined #maemo | 21:46 | |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 21:49 | |
| *** zchydem_ has quit IRC | 21:49 | |
| *** vol has quit IRC | 21:52 | |
| alterego | Woo, we have compilation success! | 21:53 |
| timelyx | what'd you build? | 21:53 |
| alterego | My rubypluginloader | 21:54 |
| alterego | For making desktop plugins, (task navigator, home and statusbar) | 21:54 |
| *** vivijim has quit IRC | 21:54 | |
| alterego | writen in ruby. | 21:54 |
| alterego | Now I've gotta figure out how to use it :) | 21:56 |
| alterego | That is .. Figure out where to put my loader. | 21:57 |
| timelyx | heh, they made an edward scissorhands ballet | 21:58 |
| *** jnettlet has quit IRC | 21:58 | |
| *** jnettlet has joined #maemo | 21:58 | |
| db48x | does the kernel on the n800 support FUSE? | 21:59 |
| * timelyx ponders | 21:59 | |
| timelyx | usbnet is a loadable kernel module, no? | 21:59 |
| kulve | db48x: probably no, but shouldn't be a problem to compile | 22:00 |
| kulve | timelyx: iirc, yes | 22:00 |
| *** hexa has quit IRC | 22:00 | |
| timelyx | if so, the question is basically "does fuse build against kernel x", no? | 22:00 |
| *** hexa has joined #maemo | 22:00 | |
| timelyx | or are not all loadable kernel modules created equal? | 22:00 |
| * timelyx wonders what "Cat's Eye" is | 22:01 | |
| alterego | Bah. | 22:01 |
| alterego | Compiling a kernel module isn't easy for MAemo. | 22:01 |
| db48x | alterego: what does it entail? | 22:02 |
| kulve | alterego: I disagree.. | 22:02 |
| zerojay | timelyx: You think the tablets have some embarassing bugs.. | 22:02 |
| *** RushPL has joined #maemo | 22:02 | |
| zerojay | timelyx: Guitar Hero 3 for the Wii.. a music game... | 22:02 |
| timelyx | i'll gladly trade | 22:02 |
| timelyx | i think i've offered more than enough bugs :) | 22:02 |
| zerojay | timelyx: Their final build has forced mono sound. | 22:03 |
| timelyx | lol | 22:03 |
| zerojay | "oops, forgot to remove that one define there..." | 22:03 |
| db48x | heh | 22:03 |
| db48x | ok, I've got a working maemo-summoner on my n800 | 22:04 |
| db48x | I just can't install that particular deb, so I'll have to keep this separate copy around | 22:04 |
| zerojay | Wii fan on Digg: "My TV only supports mono anyway, but I don't think many people can tell the difference unless they are audiophiles." | 22:05 |
| db48x | hrm. why do I get a permission denied when I try to run something from /media/mmc2? | 22:05 |
| zerojay | wtf | 22:05 |
| *** zenix has quit IRC | 22:05 | |
| kulve | db48x: it's mounted noexec | 22:05 |
| elb | HAH, I was worried about disk space on this laptop, and there's apparently 10GB of an unused Linux install here :-P | 22:05 |
| db48x | zerojay: hah | 22:05 |
| db48x | kulve: ahhh | 22:05 |
| * elb rejiggers scratchbox to be on one of those partitions | 22:06 | |
| * timelyx waves goodbye to elb's linux install | 22:06 | |
| *** koen has quit IRC | 22:06 | |
| elb | Linux has been installed twice on this laptop since ... looks like about 2004 | 22:06 |
| elb | 2005, rather | 22:06 |
| elb | WHO KNEW | 22:06 |
| timelyx | zerojay: they still make tvs w/ mono out? | 22:06 |
| zerojay | timelyx: Like I said, he's a Wii fan. He'll say anything to try not to look bad. | 22:07 |
| db48x | timelyx: most cheap tvs are still mono | 22:07 |
| db48x | though I don't think I've ever seen one that didn't have stereo output | 22:08 |
| zerojay | db48x: Even cheap TVs sold these days have shit like SVIDEO and Stereo.. even simulated surround. | 22:08 |
| *** jnettlet_ has quit IRC | 22:08 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 22:08 | |
| db48x | zerojay: hmm. the cheapo I have is mono, but it has svideo out | 22:08 |
| db48x | err, svideo input | 22:09 |
| *** jnettlet__ has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| * timelyx sighs | 22:09 | |
| timelyx | are Axe commercials as annoying in the states as they are here? | 22:09 |
| kulve | try asking some non-maemo -channel.. | 22:11 |
| elb | timelyx: yes | 22:11 |
| db48x | commercials are almost uniformly annoying | 22:11 |
| timelyx | kulve: wfm :) | 22:11 |
| * db48x makes a backup | 22:11 | |
| * elb hijacks a 6GB used-to-be-FC partition for /scratchbox | 22:12 | |
| db48x | why does the backup utility limit what characters you can use in the filename? | 22:12 |
| timelyx | the target is a fat volume | 22:12 |
| timelyx | what character are you trying to use? | 22:12 |
| db48x | a / | 22:12 |
| pupnik | haha | 22:12 |
| db48x | oh, right. it's fat | 22:12 |
| elb | / is an invalid character on *any* Unix filesystem | 22:13 |
| elb | at least, as far as the VFS is concerned | 22:13 |
| elb | (it's the directory separator) | 22:13 |
| timelyx | elb: ntfs has a way for it to work :) | 22:13 |
| *** zchydem_ has joined #maemo | 22:13 | |
| timelyx | it sticks it into a custom codepage | 22:13 |
| elb | timelyx: presumably they fix it before the VFS gets to it? | 22:13 |
| timelyx | (used for services for macintosh) | 22:13 |
| timelyx | elb: no need | 22:14 |
| elb | (so that, from the Unix side, it looks like som eother character) | 22:14 |
| db48x | yea, I suppose that's true | 22:14 |
| timelyx | it isn't "/" | 22:14 |
| elb | right, that's my point | 22:14 |
| timelyx | it's some unicode character ... | 22:14 |
| alterego | Right, I know where the loader goes .. Now to write a home plugin .. | 22:14 |
| timelyx | but for services for mac, it's a real "/" | 22:14 |
| elb | sure | 22:14 |
| timelyx | because in mac, the path sep was ":" | 22:14 |
| elb | Unicode has a 'record separator' character | 22:14 |
| timelyx | they didn't use that | 22:15 |
| elb | it may even have a path separator character, I forget | 22:15 |
| timelyx | because they had a bunch of characters they needed to map | 22:15 |
| elb | which would be the appropriate *disk* format for a Unicode FS; but the Unix VFS in Linux would still reserve / :-) | 22:15 |
| * timelyx sighs | 22:16 | |
| timelyx | filing a bug against application manager is too hard | 22:16 |
| *** zodman has joined #maemo | 22:17 | |
| *** Ivan_Chelubeev has joined #maemo | 22:18 | |
| db48x | hrm | 22:20 |
| db48x | oh | 22:20 |
| db48x | odd, I'm running Opera again somehow | 22:21 |
| * db48x sighs | 22:21 | |
| *** tuxthepenguin has joined #maemo | 22:22 | |
| db48x | somethign is screwy | 22:26 |
| *** zchydem__ has quit IRC | 22:26 | |
| db48x | I can't get this thing to use microb | 22:26 |
| *** celesteh has left #maemo | 22:27 | |
| db48x | maybe that package isn't actually installed, even though it gives me the option to use it | 22:28 |
| alterego | Unknown Plugin Loader type: ruby :( | 22:29 |
| alterego | That's helpful .. | 22:29 |
| alterego | :) | 22:29 |
| *** red-zack has joined #maemo | 22:33 | |
| * db48x gives up for the day | 22:37 | |
| db48x | stupid browser is crashing now | 22:38 |
| *** javamaniac has quit IRC | 22:38 | |
| *** rhykin has quit IRC | 22:39 | |
| *** fsmw has quit IRC | 22:39 | |
| *** javamaniac has joined #maemo | 22:41 | |
| *** maddler has joined #maemo | 22:47 | |
| maddler | damn... power failure... | 22:47 |
| *** javamaniac has quit IRC | 22:51 | |
| *** Astro has joined #maemo | 22:51 | |
| bedboi | is there any rumor about the OS2008 release date? | 22:53 |
| alterego | ~1 week | 22:53 |
| alterego | People are so impatient. | 22:54 |
| Andy80 | :) | 22:54 |
| alterego | January. | 22:54 |
| alterego | You'll have it by then. | 22:54 |
| Andy80 | maddler: the correct english way to say that is "la maiala dell'enel !!!" :D | 22:54 |
| *** Peikko_bsmt has joined #maemo | 22:55 | |
| maddler | Andy80: "that piggish enel!!!" | 22:56 |
| *** Astro has quit IRC | 22:56 | |
| maddler | btw... it was caused by a defective light switch... | 22:57 |
| Andy80 | maddler: no... if you don't say it in tuscany dialect, it doesn't have any sense ;) | 22:57 |
| *** javamaniac has joined #maemo | 22:57 | |
| maddler | and before discovering that I feared it was a power plug hidden by a HUGE wardrobe! | 22:58 |
| maddler | Andy80: TRUE! | 22:58 |
| maddler | :D | 22:58 |
| maddler | btw... yes... having a local maemo-day sounds nice... | 22:59 |
| maddler | Andy80: do you know Giskard? :) | 22:59 |
| Andy80 | no... what/who is? | 22:59 |
| maddler | he's from Torino | 22:59 |
| maddler | a Gnome/Maemo hacker... :) | 22:59 |
| Andy80 | ah no, don't know him | 22:59 |
| maddler | ok... | 23:00 |
| maddler | btw... we could try to figure out what could be done... | 23:00 |
| maddler | and what we could do alltogether... | 23:00 |
| Andy80 | maddler: we should find a mid-way place to organize something. mmm.... Firenze would be great :) | 23:01 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 23:01 | |
| maddler | why not... | 23:02 |
| *** p|_ has joined #maemo | 23:04 | |
| *** dockane has joined #maemo | 23:05 | |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 23:07 | |
| *** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo | 23:07 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 23:08 | |
| *** booiiing has joined #maemo | 23:08 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 23:11 | |
| l7 | hey, are there any n800 users here who use it with a mac? | 23:11 |
| l7 | i heard that bluetooth file exchange won't work properly with an n800 and a mac :\ | 23:12 |
| alterego | Only when it's raining. | 23:12 |
| l7 | hmm, can you elaborate? | 23:13 |
| Luria | unless it's tuesday | 23:13 |
| alterego | Yes, Tuesdays I stay at home. So it doesn't matter if it's raining. | 23:16 |
| maddler | l7: try asking on maemo users' mailing list... | 23:17 |
| Luria | damn, heavy js is screwing with my firefox | 23:17 |
| alterego | Or ITT | 23:18 |
| Luria | i suspect im going to end up delteing my profile. | 23:18 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 23:18 | |
| l7 | maddler: hmm ok | 23:19 |
| alterego | So, I've wrote a plugin loader. | 23:21 |
| alterego | But it's not being recognised .. | 23:21 |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 23:21 | |
| alterego | Should there be a file describing the plugin loader? | 23:21 |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 23:21 | |
| alterego | Or does hildon dynamically load them all? | 23:21 |
| *** X-Fade_ has joined #maemo | 23:21 | |
| *** dockane_ has quit IRC | 23:22 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 23:25 | |
| *** slomo has quit IRC | 23:28 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 23:29 | |
| *** Peikko_bsmt has quit IRC | 23:33 | |
| *** X-Fade has quit IRC | 23:33 | |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 23:37 | |
| * DRoBeR is away: This geek is out of order | 23:37 | |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 23:37 | |
| *** xadap_ has joined #maemo | 23:38 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #maemo | 23:40 | |
| l7 | i http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/sys/474690035.html | 23:41 |
| *** Monkulus has joined #maemo | 23:44 | |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 23:48 | |
| *** Sulis has joined #maemo | 23:48 | |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 23:48 | |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 23:53 | |
| *** ch4os_ has quit IRC | 23:53 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 23:53 | |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 23:53 | |
| eichi | is there ettercap and wireshark for maemo? | 23:53 |
| *** xadap has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
| *** alterego has quit IRC | 23:56 | |
| pupnik | "There is no try, only do, or do not." - Yoda | 23:56 |
| Andy80 | what is the wifi chipset of the n810? | 23:57 |
| *** Sho_ has quit IRC | 23:59 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
