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| |R | ok, i just did to no real success :| | 00:02 |
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| |R | zerojay : with empathy, gossip, kopete... first one doesn't boot... and the others i don't know how i would go about triggering video :| | 00:03 |
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| zerojay | If you want to do it from Kopete, right click and choose send webcam. | 00:06 |
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| zerojay | Not sure it will work though. | 00:06 |
| zerojay | Pretty sure it won't actually. | 00:06 |
| |R | hehe | 00:06 |
| zerojay | Someone else would have figured it out already. | 00:06 |
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| |R | zerojay : uhm, i don't have that action, probably because it needs a local webcam.. damn | 00:10 |
| zerojay | yep | 00:10 |
| |R | doing a call from the n800 doesn't show anything on kopete either | 00:10 |
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| Lateralus | Does the 810 use the same flasher utility as the 800? | 00:12 |
| skibur | I need to verify something with a N800 | 00:12 |
| timeless | yes | 00:13 |
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| skibur | on the device, does the lights on the right side screen suppose to show? | 00:13 |
| timeless | ? | 00:13 |
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| Lateralus | timeless: was that yes directed at me? | 00:13 |
| timeless | yes | 00:13 |
| Lateralus | timeless: thanks | 00:13 |
| skibur | ? | 00:14 |
| skibur | do you know what I mean? | 00:14 |
| lauti | anyone using Eclipse/CDT to cross compile? | 00:14 |
| timeless | no | 00:14 |
| Lateralus | skibur: "lights on the right side screen" makes no sense, can you be more specific? | 00:14 |
| skibur | ok | 00:15 |
| skibur | looking for link | 00:15 |
| skibur | http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpGMuBp99sY on 00:22 Is that normaly? The lights 5 or 4 of them? | 00:16 |
| skibur | N800 | 00:17 |
| skibur | could eveybody check your N800 to see if it not just me | 00:17 |
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| timeless | what do you mean right? | 00:18 |
| |R | i don't get it? | 00:19 |
| timeless | do you mean left? | 00:19 |
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| skibur | no on the right side of the display | 00:19 |
| skibur | in the screen | 00:19 |
| timeless | do you mean the status area? | 00:19 |
| skibur | did you see the video? | 00:20 |
| |R | yes? | 00:20 |
| timeless | i only have 3 or 4 n800s | 00:20 |
| timeless | and an n810 and a 770 or two | 00:20 |
| timeless | your description is at least confused | 00:20 |
| timeless | but you'd be better served by finding a screen capture | 00:21 |
| timeless | instead of a video | 00:21 |
| skibur | its not software | 00:21 |
| skibur | I think its hardware | 00:21 |
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| timeless | pick a time stamp | 00:22 |
| timeless | what frame? | 00:22 |
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| skibur | 00:22 | 00:22 |
| |R | i have it paused on 0:22 | 00:23 |
| |R | it's a bit dark hehe :) | 00:23 |
| |R | now, you mean to light spot from the right side ? | 00:23 |
| timeless | there's a silver border on the device... | 00:23 |
| timeless | it does shine.... | 00:24 |
| |R | hehe | 00:24 |
| skibur | 00:34 | 00:24 |
| skibur | also | 00:24 |
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| timeless | it's not really silver, just metalic | 00:24 |
| timeless | and that's from whatever ligh source was in the room | 00:24 |
| timeless | yeah | 00:25 |
| skibur | does your n800 have that? | 00:25 |
| timeless | that's just glint | 00:25 |
| skibur | I was thinking of returning it | 00:25 |
| * |R more confused :P | 00:25 | |
| * timeless too | 00:25 | |
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| zerojay | He's talking about the LCD lights that you can see on the right side of the N800 screen. | 00:47 |
| zerojay | It's normal. They all do it. | 00:48 |
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| ds3 | is there a easy way of changing the virtual keyboard on the N770 (OS2006) to have the same layout as the N800's? | 00:50 |
| ds3 | the lack of a '|' is easy reach is annoying among other details | 00:50 |
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| skibur | http://youtube.com/watch?v=lPCQuiAi4yg 1:45 N800 Do you have that brown shade (right side on screen) and little tiny lights (glims 5) at the very edge? | 00:52 |
| skibur | N800 | 00:52 |
| skibur | at the 1:45 mark | 00:52 |
| skibur | is that normal? | 00:52 |
| Lateralus | Have any of you seen the error "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture arm does not appear in package's list (armel)" building software using the chinook sdk? | 00:53 |
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| zerojay | skibur: Yes, it's normal. Every N800 has it. | 00:53 |
| zerojay | Let me check your video though. | 00:53 |
| skibur | o ok | 00:53 |
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| zerojay | Yeah, it's not brown, it's just slightly darker. | 00:54 |
| zerojay | It looks better in real life than it does in the video. | 00:54 |
| Lateralus | My target looks similar to my SDK_ARMEL Bora target, which can build software fine. | 00:54 |
| Lateralus | package software fine, that is | 00:54 |
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| zerojay | skibur: Looking at it head on, you rarely ever notice it, by the way. | 00:55 |
| skibur | o ok | 00:55 |
| zerojay | Only when you kind of angle it upwards do you notice it. | 00:55 |
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| Lateralus | What does dpkg-buildpackage use to determine the host architecture? Building software in my bora target the architecture is armel, but it's arm for my chinook target. | 01:27 |
| Stalwart | Lateralus, n800 nxclient? o.O | 01:27 |
| Lateralus | Stalwart: I'm not following you. | 01:28 |
| Stalwart | i'm just curious how good experience is | 01:28 |
| Stalwart | i'm going to buy n810, want to know more about it's possibilities | 01:29 |
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| |R | yé, ipv6 ;) | 01:48 |
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| Lateralus | Can someone give me the output of dpkg-architecture for their Chinook target? | 02:02 |
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| ekim\770 | hey , how can I get tinymail for maemo, OS 2006 | 03:41 |
| ekim\770 | can someone link me a deb ? | 03:42 |
| zerojay | there isn't one. | 03:42 |
| zerojay | As far as I know. | 03:42 |
| ekim\770 | I can only find source | 03:42 |
| zerojay | tinymail is the basis for modest.. which will be the new default e-mail client in a future revision of IT2008. | 03:43 |
| ekim\770 | uhhuhh | 03:43 |
| ekim\770 | modet hasn't releasd any eiles yet | 03:43 |
| ekim\770 | I am talking on my n770 btw | 03:44 |
| ekim\770 | hence the typos | 03:44 |
| zerojay | Nothing's released yet. | 03:45 |
| ekim\770 | :( | 03:45 |
| ekim\770 | what is the msrp of the n810 | 03:46 |
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| zerojay | $479 I think. | 03:47 |
| ekim\770 | dang | 03:48 |
| ekim\770 | I can buy a new laptop for that | 03:48 |
| ekim\770 | I guess thus means I can get a good price on the n800 now though | 03:49 |
| zerojay | Yeah about $230 or so. | 03:50 |
| ekim\770 | what email client do you use zerojay | 03:50 |
| ds3 | supposely the UMPC from ASUS is less then that | 03:50 |
| zerojay | $300, but it doesn't fit in your pocket. ;) | 03:50 |
| ekim\770 | i bought this 770 from amazon for 80 bucks | 03:50 |
| ds3 | ASUS claims ~$200ish | 03:51 |
| ekim\770 | dude , only 200 | 03:51 |
| zerojay | ds3: They revised it to $300. | 03:51 |
| ekim\770 | i sm buyin that | 03:51 |
| Stalwart | eeepc is 400$ | 03:51 |
| zerojay | Stalwart: We're talking about eee. | 03:51 |
| ds3 | zerojay: the EeePC? | 03:51 |
| _Monkey | somebody said the eeepc was with win? | 03:51 |
| zerojay | The lowest version is $300. | 03:51 |
| ekim\770 | yeah , nut that is a laptop isn't it | 03:51 |
| Stalwart | yeah, i read log | 03:51 |
| ds3 | oh :( | 03:51 |
| ekim\770 | eww | 03:51 |
| ekim\770 | windows | 03:52 |
| Stalwart | i'll buy n810 asap | 03:52 |
| zerojay | It was supposed to be $200 but they blamed the cost on manufacturers. | 03:52 |
| ds3 | EeePC is suppose to be Linux with option to run Windows | 03:52 |
| ekim\770 | dude its 500 buckx | 03:52 |
| ds3 | diff options | 03:52 |
| Stalwart | standard eee is 400$ with xandros linux | 03:52 |
| ekim\770 | do you sleep in a bed of money ? | 03:52 |
| zerojay | Much rather have a N810 than eee. | 03:52 |
| ekim\770 | xandros ? , no ubuntu? | 03:53 |
| Stalwart | you can put any distro you like on it | 03:53 |
| Stalwart | it's generic x86 | 03:53 |
| zerojay | Ubuntu = n00b | 03:53 |
| zerojay | ;P | 03:53 |
| Stalwart | get LFS ;) | 03:53 |
| ekim\770 | no , i just dont like to waste time | 03:53 |
| Stalwart | me too | 03:54 |
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| ekim\770 | why make it harder than it needs to be? | 03:54 |
| ekim\770 | what mail apps do you guys use ? | 03:55 |
| ds3 | elm ;) | 03:55 |
| penguinbait | still trying to get my kmail stable | 03:56 |
| ekim\770 | I want thunderbirs for maemo | 03:56 |
| ekim\770 | thunderbird | 03:56 |
| Stalwart | yuck | 03:56 |
| Stalwart | try sylpheed | 03:56 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Stable on your n800? | 03:57 |
| penguinbait | I compiled 3.5.8 and got kmail to build and work | 03:57 |
| ekim\770 | i am using claws now | 03:57 |
| penguinbait | but it runs for a while and kills the os, can not figure out why | 03:57 |
| penguinbait | kde kills not kmail | 03:58 |
| ekim\770 | k , later guys | 03:59 |
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| zerojay | Probably the OOM killer. | 04:00 |
| penguinbait | OOM? | 04:03 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that OOM is out-of-memory (I think, again) | 04:03 |
| zerojay | penguinbait: Out of Memory killer. | 04:03 |
| zerojay | The OS has run out, so it starts killing processes to keep from crashing the kernel. | 04:04 |
| penguinbait | its a library issue, I tried to keep them seperate but eventually the OS finds some libs in usr/loce and it hoses something | 04:04 |
| penguinbait | # /usr/local | 04:05 |
| penguinbait | it kills the systems and can not reboot, have to reload, and lifeguard infor is useless, at leat to me | 04:05 |
| zerojay | In /usr/local, you mean? | 04:07 |
| zerojay | You could remove /usr/local from PATH.. | 04:07 |
| penguinbait | QT 4.3 needed for KDE4Beta wont compile at all for me yet | 04:07 |
| penguinbait | it does not fix it | 04:07 |
| penguinbait | sometimes I can reapply the flash on top and sometimes I cant | 04:08 |
| penguinbait | its a mystery to me | 04:08 |
| penguinbait | after reloading the OS about 20 times am giving up on that build and starting again | 04:08 |
| penguinbait | its only about 16 hours to compile :) | 04:09 |
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| zerojay | That's not too bad. I remember it taking me something like 60 on my old PII. ;) | 04:11 |
| penguinbait | 1.8p4 | 04:11 |
| zerojay | Still a pain though. | 04:11 |
| penguinbait | I really wish some developers would decide to do this instead of me, They could have a much more stable, integrated, environment | 04:12 |
| zerojay | Well, they're all busy working on the one they already have, I guess. | 04:13 |
| penguinbait | yup | 04:13 |
| zerojay | Wish it were KDE based instead, but what can ya do? | 04:13 |
| penguinbait | make it KDE based | 04:13 |
| penguinbait | :) | 04:13 |
| zerojay | heh. | 04:13 |
| penguinbait | its just, I keep getting stuck on compiling kdepim, its would be awesome to have all of it | 04:15 |
| penguinbait | its failing on gpg support, and I am not smart enough to hack all the code to remove it | 04:15 |
| penguinbait | or fix it | 04:15 |
| penguinbait | its pissing me off | 04:16 |
| penguinbait | kmail was working good, html mail working great | 04:16 |
| zerojay | I believe there's a configure flag for the gpg stuff. | 04:18 |
| penguinbait | to point to it, not to turn it off | 04:22 |
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| skibur | when do we expect OS2008? | 05:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mid november. | 05:23 |
| zerojay | Maemo Mapper 2.0 released. | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just saw that. | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta re-download all those maps. >_> | 05:28 |
| skibur | thanks | 05:29 |
| |R | apt-get upgrade-in' ;) | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, the autocomplete selection thing is a hildon issue. Use the d-pad. | 05:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It really doesn't like to pan. :\ | 05:58 |
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| unique311 | http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1510660&posted=1#post1510660 self portrait day....rocks..... | 06:07 |
| unique311 | sorry for the off topic post... | 06:07 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: D-pad doesn't work either, I don't believe. | 06:10 |
| zerojay | And I found panning to be really smooth. | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, well that's a change from 1.x | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Panning likes to snap back to where it was on me. | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pan half a screen, then it jumps back to the starting position. | 06:11 |
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| zerojay | crap, alterego's not around. | 06:44 |
| |R | uhm, the POI is a bit awkward in MaemoMapper2 | 06:49 |
| |R | (can't compare with before though) | 06:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it is a little weird. | 06:55 |
| rubiks | is firefox good on n800? | 06:56 |
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| astro76 | rubiks, this is the one you want, mozilla based http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:57 |
| astro76 | it works extremely well | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be default with OS2008 | 06:58 |
| astro76 | I can do google maps with streetview on the n800 | 06:58 |
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| rubiks | cool | 06:59 |
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| |R | the number of page of POI downloaded is not listened to... the zoom seems to affect the results... and i get different POI names for the same place and it doesn't deal with double entry either. Besides that, it rocks hehe ;) | 07:05 |
| |R | (oh and the category menu doesn't overwrite the query field after one has been entered unless it is deleted by hand :P) | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a pain to delete the dupes. | 07:06 |
| |R | yep | 07:06 |
| |R | i had to go through all the list unchecking everything except the dupes (one of them) | 07:07 |
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| rubiks | how about email? claw email? | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't bother until modest comes out. | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, maybe, use webmail. | 07:09 |
| |R | claw is huge | 07:13 |
| |R | 8MB just for the base package... | 07:13 |
| * |R still running of the internal ram and wondering how apt could be told to install on the SD and ln -s(-ing) everything... :P | 07:13 | |
| |R | s/ram/rom | 07:14 |
| |R | s/rom/flash | 07:14 |
| |R | anyway :P | 07:14 |
| rubiks | o ok | 07:15 |
| * |R will need to fit Gjiden and fonts / input etc before mars on an N8*0 | 07:16 | |
| rubiks | wow a lot of apps | 07:17 |
| rubiks | tons | 07:18 |
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| skibur | hum... | 07:33 |
| skibur | any program to read excel files | 07:33 |
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| czr | skibur, rm ? | 07:42 |
| czr | oh, it doesn't read them though. | 07:42 |
| skibur | rm? | 07:43 |
| skibur | remove | 07:43 |
| skibur | ok | 07:43 |
| skibur | lol | 07:43 |
| czr | but one could class it as excel file processor :-) if not reader. | 07:44 |
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| |R | gnumeric? if you can get it to install.. | 08:03 |
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| |R | what the hell is GPS-Mouse ? | 08:32 |
| |R | i see this on some bluetooth GPS... | 08:32 |
| |R | GPS is not precise enougth to act as a mouse yet ;) | 08:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now _that_ sounds like an idea. | 08:33 |
| |R | http://www.holux.com/JCore/en/products/products_content.jsp?pno=227 | 08:34 |
| |R | like here | 08:34 |
| |R | Bluetooth + GPS-mouse | 08:34 |
| |R | as an interface... | 08:34 |
| |R | wth | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hire some high school kid to run around in the middle of a field with your GPS. | 08:34 |
| |R | haha | 08:34 |
| |R | jump! yes we have a click! | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | "A little to the left!" | 08:34 |
| |R | any suggestion on what bt gps to get? :) | 08:35 |
| |R | i m looking for something dirt cheap on eBay... | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't buy anything else. | 08:36 |
| |R | oh? | 08:36 |
| |R | what happened? :P | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chipset is better than SiRF III | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lasts 16 hours on a full charge | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, like, forever in standby | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | locks on fast | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | incredibly accurate | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, it takes those Nokia BL-5C batteries, which are everywhere. | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Charges over USB | 08:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, and it has a nice grippy rubber pad on the bottom so it doesn't like around on the dashboard. | 08:38 |
| |R | hehe, how about the 757 with the solar panel? (i guess they're not dirt cheap though ;) | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~$70-80 for the 757 | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | versus ~40-50 for the i-blue (at least the last time I looked) | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | erm, *737 | 08:39 |
| |R | is that company australian? | 08:40 |
| |R | they're all from australia on eBay :P | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 08:40 |
| |R | (25-35$ shipping, arf) | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know they're not US. | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was guessing UK | 08:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Amazon? http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1524817-1829554?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1193985664&sr=8-1 | 08:41 |
| |R | they won't ship to canada for some stupid reason... | 08:41 |
| |R | go figure, amazon.ca doesn't have anything but books | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 08:42 |
| |R | and amazon.com won't ship 100km above their frontier! | 08:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's that pesky border. | 08:43 |
| |R | i guess hehe | 08:43 |
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| |R | is thinkgeek a total ripoff in the states? | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just as soon open the damn thing up. | 08:43 |
| |R | cause here we always end up paying more in shipping and taxes from the than the actual product we bougth :P | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, never shop there. | 08:43 |
| |R | i dont anymore hehe | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | They do have stuff nobody else seems to bother with, though. | 08:43 |
| |R | yeah sometimes they have funny stuff (ok yes, i'm a geek ;) | 08:44 |
| rubiks | nice | 08:44 |
| |R | i got a wifi detector t-shirt for halloween haha ;) | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need an external drive enclosure. . . . | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got 5-slots internal and they're all full. :$ | 08:45 |
| |R | i love how everything looks cheap in £ :P | 08:45 |
| |R | oh yes, only 30! oh wait, that's 65 canadian! :P | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Imagine how USD/CAD looks to them. | 08:46 |
| |R | prices in europe are crazy | 08:46 |
| |R | so they must look at eBay and buy bananas or something hehe :) | 08:47 |
| |R | shipping from hongkong: 18$... shipping from the states: 25$... | 08:47 |
| |R | wtf ! | 08:47 |
| |R | I'm on the east coast... | 08:47 |
| |R | i love how people are trying to hide the price in shipping cost on eBay ;) | 08:48 |
| |R | ok, so MTK over SiRFIII.. urhm | 08:53 |
| rubiks | what version of 2007 is the most current? | 08:53 |
| |R | 38-2 or something (from my head) | 08:54 |
| rubiks | I can find a link to flash my os | 08:54 |
| rubiks | can't | 08:55 |
| |R | http://maemo.org/community/wiki | 08:55 |
| |R | it's right there, on the wiki ;) | 08:55 |
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| rubiks | thanks | 08:55 |
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| |R | is anything from china/hongkong on eBay actually an original? | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somehow I doubt it. | 08:58 |
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| |R | oh, 737 does egnos too | 09:00 |
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| rubiks | I have version 4.2007.26-8 | 09:02 |
| |R | not the latest | 09:02 |
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| rubiks | I will flash it tomorrow :) | 09:02 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles : there seems to be an i-blue 737 version 2... | 09:02 |
| rubiks | good night hackers ;) | 09:03 |
| |R | this is getting confusing | 09:03 |
| |R | rubiks : gn :) | 09:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's a 5hz version, too. | 09:03 |
| |R | what's 5hz? | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | versus 1hz | 09:03 |
| |R | oh | 09:03 |
| |R | ok :) | 09:04 |
| |R | must be eating battery at 5hz too? :P | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the extra accuracy would be quite awesome | 09:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see maemo mapper have support for it. | 09:04 |
| |R | :) | 09:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody'd probably have to buy gnuite one, though. | 09:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.semsons.com/i737blgps5hz.html | 09:06 |
| |R | i just sold my old etrex Legend and an iAudio D2 to get my n800 | 09:08 |
| |R | now i'll by the GPS back, and when i get an OpenMoko, sell it back ;) | 09:08 |
| |R | (and get PANd working to access the gpsd of openmoko or something :P) | 09:08 |
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| mikemorrison | anyone in here have an n810? | 09:13 |
| |R | some have i guess, but most wish :P | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori would be your man | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | but he just left. | 09:15 |
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| |R | http://europe.nokia.com/A4317011 | 09:18 |
| |R | oh i want this | 09:18 |
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| mikemorrison | ok thanks.. just wanted someone to test my program.. bit of a shot in the dark without having something to test it on.. | 09:20 |
| |R | ok, off to bed... | 09:20 |
| |R | see ya :) | 09:20 |
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| pparker | Hi here | 11:02 |
| pparker | I want to install maemomapper 2 | 11:03 |
| pparker | But a dependancy is missing | 11:04 |
| pparker | Libconic0 | 11:04 |
| X-Fade | pparker: You run OS2006? | 11:09 |
| disq | it's available in the gregale repository | 11:10 |
| disq | but you'll need red pill mode or dpkg -i, if you're installing manually | 11:10 |
| pparker | I got it installed | 11:10 |
| pparker | And it's running | 11:14 |
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| amr | how odd, my 770 turns back on when i turn it off | 11:39 |
| amr | same thing if i turn it off holding the power switch at the top or tapping it and pressing switch off | 11:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't want you to kill it. | 12:00 |
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| amr | it has feelings | 13:03 |
| amr | :-( | 13:03 |
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| db48x | amr: yes, it's clearly developed sentience. turning it off would be murder | 13:06 |
| db48x | amr: what was it you installed last? ;) | 13:07 |
| zerojay | I love how absolutely perfect this looks on a tablet screen: http://www.jablet.net | 13:09 |
| red-zack | i have a dark one that look pretty on my 770 | 13:10 |
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| red-zack | zerojay: this is an n800 theme. named adria. | 13:10 |
| zerojay | red-zack: I know what it is. | 13:11 |
| Robot101 | jablet...? | 13:11 |
| zerojay | red-zack: I'm talking about the webpage just perfectly fitting on the screen with no scrollbars needed. | 13:11 |
| red-zack | dunno. but i am using jabber right now | 13:11 |
| zerojay | Robot101: Something myself and Texrat are working on. | 13:11 |
| pupnik | that's plankton theme | 13:11 |
| red-zack | zerojay: oh, ok. sry. missunderstood | 13:11 |
| pupnik | adria? | 13:12 |
| zerojay | No. :/ | 13:12 |
| Robot101 | zerojay: what's the plan? | 13:12 |
| zerojay | Robot101: To offer Jabber, e-mail and other things (blogging?) to tablet users... especially aiming for the complete n00bs that don't know what Jabber is, etc. | 13:13 |
| zerojay | Eventually, we're going to have a simple set up program that will ask for your name/pass for AIM/MSN, etc.. and register them automatically with our IM gateways, for instance. | 13:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | This (http://kalle.vahlman.googlepages.com/gimp-on-n800.png) is Plankton, pupnik. ;) | 13:14 |
| zerojay | So you won't need to do it manually on a PC Jabber client. | 13:14 |
| zerojay | We've got big plans. | 13:15 |
| zerojay | We'll see how it goes, but for just coming up with the idea two days ago, we've already come a long way. lol | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | That way, I can stop alluding to the mystical Jabber servers for those poor pidgin schmucks on ITT. :D | 13:15 |
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| pupnik | :) | 13:15 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Exactly. | 13:16 |
| zerojay | One server that you already know has them all working. | 13:16 |
| zerojay | Less guesswork and hunting. | 13:16 |
| zerojay | We're going to eventually move to our own server so we can directly handle everything. | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be sure to let me know when you open up a donations page, zerojay. | 13:17 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Will do. If you're interested in helping out in other ways or if you want an address now (since it's clear you know how to connect ;) let me know and I'll set you up. | 13:18 |
| zerojay | By the way... I'm aiming at keeping all of it 100% free for one and all. | 13:18 |
| zerojay | And off to work I go. | 13:22 |
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| amr | db48x, uhm no idea | 13:38 |
| amr | maemomind i think | 13:39 |
| amr | or battlejeweled | 13:39 |
| * alterego barps | 13:39 | |
| amr | why has no one made plankton for the 770 >:( | 13:40 |
| alterego | So I woke up this morning with a choice. Do I do job work or ruby-maemo work. | 13:40 |
| amr | ruby-maemo | 13:40 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it ruby-maemo is coming along really nicely | 13:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:41 |
| amr | only do job work if its fun | 13:41 |
| amr | :-) | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | amr, flash to OS2007HE | 13:41 |
| alterego | Well, it is pretty fun. | 13:41 |
| alterego | But I've got the whole weekend to do it. | 13:41 |
| amr | i've heard bad things about he | 13:41 |
| amr | so i'm trying to avoid it | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's much faster than 2006 | 13:41 |
| alterego | Hmm, I think I'll start the day off with job work, then do ruby-maemo later on. | 13:42 |
| amr | is it as stable? | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | seatbelt will cure the oom crashes. | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | In some ways more so and some ways less. | 13:42 |
| amr | hm i may have to do that this weekend then | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine has been rock-solid since I installed seatbelt. | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | (2 770s) | 13:43 |
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| amr | 2? | 13:46 |
| amr | :o | 13:46 |
| _Monkey | i heard 2 was kernel | 13:46 |
| lardman | _Monkey ignore 2 | 13:46 |
| _Monkey | lardman: sorry... | 13:46 |
| lardman | _Monkey forget 2 | 13:47 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot 2 | 13:47 |
| amr | lol | 13:47 |
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| * lardman was rather confused by the conversation until he realised it was _Monkey who made the last comment | 13:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | amr, one's from 2005 and the other I bought when they hit woot (mostly for the extra battery and charger for my N800). | 13:51 |
| amr | lol fair enough | 13:51 |
| alterego | The 770 and N800 use the same battery? | 13:51 |
| amr | anyway, time for college | 13:52 |
| lardman | alterego: yeo | 13:52 |
| lardman | yep | 13:52 |
| alterego | Cool. | 13:52 |
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| alterego | So, today is the last day for applying to the device program. | 14:15 |
| disq | wonder how many applications are received so far | 14:16 |
| alterego | Ooo, and the N810 is being released in just a couple of weeks. Cool :) | 14:16 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 14:16 |
| alterego | I'd guess at least 1,00 | 14:18 |
| alterego | 1,000 | 14:18 |
| disq | they had trouble finding 500 *developers* for the n800 program (and afaik gave away remaining codes to bloggers and such) but since the device program is not just for developers any more | 14:21 |
| disq | my guess would be around 3,000 | 14:21 |
| lardman | really? | 14:21 |
| lardman | trouble? | 14:21 |
| _Monkey | trouble is that I'm leaving for India in an hour. | 14:21 |
| disq | _Monkey: lol | 14:22 |
| _Monkey | disq: huh? | 14:22 |
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| alterego | There are only ~350 projects on the maemo garage. | 14:22 |
| lardman | _Monkey: forget trouble | 14:22 |
| _Monkey | lardman: I forgot trouble | 14:22 |
| keesj | 7,203 I would say | 14:22 |
| disq | _Monkey: trouble is <reply> | 14:22 |
| _Monkey | OK, disq. | 14:22 |
| lardman | _Monkey: _Monkey is trouble | 14:22 |
| _Monkey | ...but _monkey is the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | an annoying bot... | 14:22 |
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| lardman | need to change that | to an & | 14:23 |
| alterego | :) | 14:23 |
| bedboi | i have a lot of ideas on how to use the GPS device atop of n810 | 14:30 |
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| Tak | alterego: http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1815291672/ | 14:33 |
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| lardman | bbl | 14:50 |
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| alterego | Tak, that's awesome :) | 14:53 |
| Tak | :-) | 14:56 |
| alterego | Got space to work yet? | 14:56 |
| Tak | moo? | 14:57 |
| alterego | spacebar | 14:57 |
| alterego | ASCII 32 :P | 14:57 |
| Tak | oh - no, it's throwing an exception | 14:57 |
| alterego | ? | 14:58 |
| Tak | the TTF object is throwing an exception when the keyboard tries to render a character with a space | 14:58 |
| alterego | Weird, is that supposed to happen? | 14:59 |
| Tak | No. | 14:59 |
| Tak | I've put that on my "I'll come back to it" list | 15:00 |
| alterego | Yeah | 15:00 |
| alterego | I wonder if it's got anything to do with the unusual way that maemo handles spacebar. | 15:01 |
| alterego | It's different to other "key" presses. | 15:01 |
| alterego | And you're using the Maemo keyboard XML file right? | 15:01 |
| Tak | yeah, but they don't have a character in there for spcae | 15:02 |
| alterego | Ah, | 15:02 |
| Tak | <key size="4" whitespace="WHITESPACE"></key> | 15:02 |
| Tak | where a normal key is like: <key size="3" alpha="ALPHA">z</key> | 15:03 |
| alterego | Interesting | 15:03 |
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| alterego | I think I'll give ruby-maemo a break today and work on my XML editor for maemo :) | 15:04 |
| Tak | cool | 15:04 |
| alterego | Written in Ruby though of course ;) | 15:04 |
| Tak | but of course! | 15:04 |
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| alterego | Have you been using the maemo 4 sdk much? | 15:06 |
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| Tak | no, not at all | 15:08 |
| Tak | I need to redo my sbox/sdk installations | 15:08 |
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| rubiks | good morning people | 15:43 |
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| rubiks | I'm starting to like my n800, I guess the brown shade at the right of the screen is normal. | 15:45 |
| alterego | rubiks, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about it's dirt/scratch marks from using that side of the screen. | 15:47 |
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| alterego | Probably just on the screen protector. | 15:48 |
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| rubiks | you can barely notice it. | 15:50 |
| alterego | Yeah | 15:50 |
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| rubiks | I was looking at some videos and I saw that I was not the only one that has it :) | 15:52 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I've got some discolouration from dirt and scratches on that side. Obviously from using the scollbar | 15:53 |
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| rubiks | yeah but o well, like i said. "barely noticeable" | 15:55 |
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| alterego | You can always replace the screen protector. | 15:55 |
| alterego | They're pretty cheap. | 15:55 |
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| rubiks | well need to go to class | 15:57 |
| rubiks | happy hacking | 15:58 |
| alterego | Bye | 15:58 |
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| * alterego wonders why there's no pkg-config file for hildonfm .. | 16:07 | |
| alterego | So I'm going to have to do it manually aye .. | 16:07 |
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| zyxulnaga | is there a way to enable RD mode from windows? | 16:14 |
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| keesj | happy happy jow joy | 16:48 |
| keesj | bla bla bla | 16:48 |
| keesj | I hope talking here does not increase me carma :p | 16:48 |
| keesj | me = my | 16:48 |
| penguinbait | karma | 16:48 |
| alterego | I have 3 | 16:49 |
| keesj | yes , ooops | 16:49 |
| penguinbait | 3 alter egos? | 16:49 |
| Tak | keesj: if it did, mine would be a lot higher ;-) | 16:49 |
| alterego | 3 karma points | 16:49 |
| Tak | and _Monkey would blow us all away | 16:50 |
| keesj | indeed | 16:50 |
| keesj | lol | 16:50 |
| penguinbait | ah, thought maybe split personality | 16:50 |
| keesj | _Monkey: do you have karma? | 16:50 |
| _Monkey | no idea, keesj | 16:50 |
| penguinbait | so alterego, is your alterego, alterego? | 16:51 |
| alterego | I dunno. | 16:51 |
| penguinbait | I was confused myself | 16:51 |
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| penguinbait | I just figured if my alterego was penguinbait, then your alterego would be alterego | 16:52 |
| * penguinbait slaps penguinbait around a bit with a large trout | 16:53 | |
| alterego | Ah, | 16:53 |
| alterego | Well I guess you're right. | 16:53 |
| penguinbait | holy crap, I just got kdepim to compile after 50 attempts, korganizer, kontact, kalarm, kmail... now to go test and see if it actually works | 17:00 |
| milhouse | karma _monkey | 17:01 |
| _Monkey | _monkey has karma of 3 | 17:01 |
| milhouse | karma keesj | 17:01 |
| _Monkey | keesj has neutral karma | 17:01 |
| milhouse | keesj++ | 17:02 |
| milhouse | karma keesj | 17:02 |
| _Monkey | keesj has karma of 1 | 17:02 |
| milhouse | penguinbait++ | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 17:08 |
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| keesj | Hi | 17:13 |
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| rubiks | how long does it take flash the n800? | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | The flashing itself takes a few minutes, the reconfiguration/reinstallation of all your third party apps can take a bit longer ;-) | 17:24 |
| rubiks | o ok | 17:25 |
| rubiks | I should wait for os2008 | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | Yeah | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | I would | 17:26 |
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| rubiks | are on your nokia? | 17:27 |
| TPC | maemo mapper 2.0 is nice | 17:27 |
| TPC | altought a bit buggy | 17:27 |
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| rubiks | do you have a gps? | 17:30 |
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| derf | Maemo Mapper has always been a bit buggy. | 17:33 |
| pupnik | dang, diy wlan antennas are fun fun fun | 17:34 |
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| penguinbait | it works KDEPIM is working for KDE on tablet, kmail, korganizer, kontact, and more | 17:49 |
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| zpol | hola | 17:50 |
| penguinbait | hello | 17:50 |
| _Monkey | hi, penguinbait | 17:50 |
| zoran | penguinbait, what libs on tablet? | 17:52 |
| * flip^ installs the PADD theme on his n800, and then regrets it >.< | 17:52 | |
| penguinbait | you have to have KDE already installed | 17:53 |
| penguinbait | ? | 17:53 |
| zpol | heya penguinbait | 17:53 |
| _Monkey | penguinbait is probably running kde, on n800 now | 17:53 |
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| penguinbait | yes I am, now with kmail and html mail and oh I am getting giddy | 17:54 |
| zoran | hm, n800? | 17:54 |
| _Monkey | n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) | 17:54 |
| zoran | n800 is space can | 17:54 |
| penguinbait | I want to run this on 810 with built it keyboard, can't wait!! | 17:55 |
| zoran | you have kde on n800? | 17:55 |
| penguinbait | yes, KDE on n800 | 17:55 |
| penguinbait | you can have it too :) | 17:55 |
| zoran | what libs and how memory goes for it? | 17:56 |
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| penguinbait | kicker using about 12MB, klipper about 8mb, kmail using about 24Mb, after loading 3000+ headers and currently displaying a html email. konqueror is using about 13MB | 17:58 |
| penguinbait | I have 128MB swap with 3MB used | 17:59 |
| zoran | huh! | 17:59 |
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| penguinbait | its not superfast, but its not slow either, very useable. Better with external keyboard, thats why I am looking forward to 810, and not having to drap mu su-w8 nokia keyboard out | 18:01 |
| penguinbait | s/drap mu/drag my/ | 18:01 |
| infobot | penguinbait meant: its not superfast, but its not slow either, very useable. Better with external keyboard, thats why I am looking forward to 810, and not having to drag my su-w8 nokia keyboard out | 18:01 |
| zoran | :) | 18:01 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 18:02 |
| penguinbait | yeah thats it | 18:02 |
| penguinbait | nice bot, thats handy | 18:02 |
| zoran | could infobot digest it once more for me? | 18:02 |
| zuh | infobot is great | 18:02 |
| zuh | s/great/stupid/ | 18:02 |
| infobot | zuh meant: infobot is stupid | 18:02 |
| zoran | s/infobot/click/ | 18:03 |
| infobot | zoran meant: could click digest it once more for me? | 18:03 |
| zoran | yes, please | 18:03 |
| zoran | in what colors infobot comes? yellow for my room? | 18:04 |
| fysafysa | wow, this Apple Wireless keyboard is amazingly light and tidy. | 18:04 |
| keesj | fysafysa: url? | 18:04 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it url is intenionally private :) | 18:04 |
| keesj | does it work with maemo? | 18:05 |
| fysafysa | http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: forget url | 18:05 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot url | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | Why've we both got infobot *and* _Monkey? | 18:05 |
| fysafysa | it would be an excellent HTPC keyboard also. | 18:05 |
| fysafysa | pairing it now.. | 18:06 |
| zoran | _Monkey, forget maemo | 18:06 |
| _Monkey | zoran: I forgot maemo | 18:06 |
| Tak | Jaffa: excellent question. | 18:06 |
| zoran | Jaffa, where it is located? | 18:07 |
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| Jaffa | zoran: what do you mean? And I'm fairly certain _Monkey had a good definition for "Maemo" - but a very bad one for "url" | 18:08 |
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| fysafysa | paired. | 18:08 |
| zoran | Jaffa, why was I at all allowed to change basic options for infobot? | 18:08 |
| fysafysa | I really want a wireless bluetooth optical mouse that you wear as a ring.. | 18:09 |
| Tak | and it makes you invisible? | 18:09 |
| zoran | I thought it was not possible | 18:09 |
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| fysakk | this may take some getting used to | 18:10 |
| fysakk | coming from an IBM M keyboard | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | zoran: I dunno - I don't run the bot. I think the assumption is we wouldn't have random vandalism | 18:11 |
| zoran | _hm | 18:12 |
| zoran | it should be owner accessible only | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | No, that's not the point | 18:12 |
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| zoran | so, my fun made a big disaster | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | Yup ;-) | 18:13 |
| zoran | the bot should be protected | 18:13 |
| zoran | and sorry! | 18:13 |
| zoran | _Monkey, setting maemo is "good linux" | 18:14 |
| _Monkey | OK, zoran. | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 18:14 |
| _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | Actually that's infobot's own out of date one. | 18:14 |
| sp3000 | no, maemo? | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/ | 18:14 |
| _Monkey | ...but maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/... | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/ | 18:15 |
| _Monkey | ...but maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/... | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: forget maemo | 18:15 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot maemo | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/ | 18:15 |
| _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. | 18:15 |
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| sp3000 | it doesn't ...yeah, that | 18:15 |
| sp3000 | interesting, it did at least not include the "no, " ;) | 18:15 |
| sp3000 | in the key | 18:15 |
| zoran | I'm fascinated | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: indeed - you can correct a recent edit, but I obviously wasn't quick enough second time round | 18:16 |
| sp3000 | you can? | 18:16 |
| sp3000 | setting maemo? | 18:16 |
| _Monkey | well, setting maemo is "good linux" | 18:16 |
| sp3000 | :) | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | Oh, ok | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: forget setting maemo | 18:17 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot setting maemo | 18:17 |
| * Jaffa goes to have a cuppa | 18:17 | |
| penguinbait | In case anyone is interested in kdepim, I posted some screen shots | 18:17 |
| penguinbait | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=89882 | 18:17 |
| zoran | _Monkey, tell zoran about maemo | 18:21 |
| _Monkey | i guess maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/ | 18:21 |
| keesj | penguinbait: you are also running kde in maemo? | 18:21 |
| _Monkey | okay, keesj. | 18:21 |
| pupnik | you? | 18:21 |
| keesj | are you.... | 18:22 |
| keesj | I see the kde menu bar here http://penguinbait.com/kdepim4.png | 18:22 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: do you run _Monkey? Is that why he recognised your nick as himself? | 18:22 |
| pupnik | just testing to see whether the impertinent bot responded to you | 18:22 |
| Jaffa | Nope, looks like it's Neil Macleod's. | 18:23 |
| penguinbait | no nothing about monkry | 18:25 |
| penguinbait | monkey | 18:25 |
| _Monkey | monkey is a not-very-smart bot | 18:25 |
| zoran | penguinbait, not bad | 18:26 |
| pupnik | i find the number of spammy interjections just barely bearable | 18:26 |
| alterego | Who's running KDE on their tablet? | 18:26 |
| alterego | That's insane .. | 18:26 |
| penguinbait | not sure what you mean in maemo | 18:26 |
| zoran | not me | 18:26 |
| penguinbait | I am | 18:26 |
| penguinbait | :) | 18:26 |
| alterego | It looks horrible. | 18:27 |
| penguinbait | what looks horrible? | 18:27 |
| alterego | Forgot how much I don't like KDE :/ | 18:27 |
| zoran | my good friend runs kde and I see it as a perfect solution, but for him | 18:27 |
| pupnik | penguinbait's KDE experiments are a valuable source of info | 18:27 |
| zoran | there are just tiny wm's around | 18:28 |
| zoran | something like evliwm | 18:28 |
| penguinbait | I use KDE only pretty much, and maemo-mapper 2.0 is working good in KDE | 18:28 |
| zoran | *evilwm | 18:28 |
| alterego | Not knocking his project. I just forgot how much I think KDE looks ugly :) | 18:28 |
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| penguinbait | no offense taken, I am just the oppisite end, I think its beautiful | 18:28 |
| zoran | alterego, a lot of people recognise linux as kde | 18:29 |
| zoran | s/s/z/ | 18:29 |
| infobot | zoran meant: alterego, a lot of people recognize linux as kde | 18:29 |
| penguinbait | I started trying to compile gnome, and its a freaking pain | 18:29 |
| alterego | zoran, I don't get you. | 18:29 |
| penguinbait | kde is more of a all in one | 18:30 |
| alterego | gnome isn't too hard to compile. | 18:30 |
| zoran | take a look at magazines | 18:30 |
| zoran | not at all | 18:30 |
| alterego | As long as you've got all the required dependencies ^_^ | 18:30 |
| * Tak agree with alterego once again | 18:30 | |
| penguinbait | try it on IT with all the old deps in there | 18:30 |
| penguinbait | not fun at all, that when I went to KDE | 18:30 |
| zoran | environment is not needed at all | 18:30 |
| penguinbait | I personally like KDE over gnome for 10 years | 18:30 |
| alterego | Well, I wouldn't dream of doing it on the IT. | 18:30 |
| penguinbait | I just thought gnome would be easier, so I started there | 18:31 |
| alterego | Well, time has very little meaning in these kinds of debates. | 18:31 |
| alterego | KDE and Gnome 10 years ago were very different. | 18:31 |
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| alterego | They were both bad ^_^ | 18:31 |
| zoran | what makes environment good on pc, not to say 770/800? | 18:32 |
| sciboy | Woo Jaiku! | 18:32 |
| alterego | zoran, ? | 18:32 |
| zoran | why someone uses environment at all? | 18:33 |
| alterego | Graphics. | 18:33 |
| zoran | wm | 18:33 |
| alterego | Not really. | 18:33 |
| zoran | I found fvwm fine to me | 18:34 |
| penguinbait | because I can not make my n800 bootup to console | 18:34 |
| alterego | How would you enter text? | 18:34 |
| alterego | View images? | 18:34 |
| alterego | Make video calls? :) | 18:34 |
| zoran | when x starts it is possible to start anything | 18:34 |
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| penguinbait | Also KDE "keyboard shortcuts" lends itself very nicely to n800/770 with only a couple of keys to use | 18:34 |
| zoran | alterego, fvwm has no diff apart of environ | 18:35 |
| alterego | zoran, I'm sorry but I can't really make out what you're saying half the time. | 18:35 |
| zoran | not so bad; my mom is at 75% | 18:36 |
| alterego | O_o | 18:36 |
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| penguinbait | openbox and xfce work good, but my problem is the browser does not work, and I tried to compile mozilla/seamonkey and others, Konqueror is the only alternative I could make work in the browser arena | 18:36 |
| hugolp | hi | 18:36 |
| _Monkey | privet, hugolp | 18:36 |
| zoran | I use window manager for graphics, not desktop environment | 18:36 |
| alterego | I don't like windows. | 18:37 |
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| alterego | I prefer how maemo does things. | 18:37 |
| zoran | window manager is not windows :) | 18:37 |
| alterego | zoran, I wasn't talking about Microsoft Windows. | 18:37 |
| penguinbait | you don't need a window manager to display graphics | 18:37 |
| hugolp | I am thinking on buying a nokia n800 and developing a aplications. i would like to know if its posible to run a gtk aplication on the n800 or what does the maemo platform use for drawing windows and the rest of the stuff? | 18:38 |
| alterego | I was talking about windows. | 18:38 |
| zoran | k | 18:38 |
| penguinbait | you need it to manage your windows | 18:38 |
| alterego | hugolp, maemo is based on Gtk and other gnome technologies. | 18:38 |
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| hugolp | alterego: cool, is the gtk maemo version different at all from the normal gtk-2.0? | 18:38 |
| zoran | alterego, how do you handle graphical apps with no windows? | 18:39 |
| alterego | zoran, how is it different to an environment with windows? | 18:39 |
| zoran | no diff | 18:39 |
| alterego | hugolp, it's a bit different. There are also custom widgets for small screen devices which you should look at called Hildon | 18:40 |
| zoran | same platform | 18:40 |
| alterego | Exactly. | 18:40 |
| alterego | Windows are just a way of encapsulating a program into a managable screen context. | 18:40 |
| zoran | yes and I dislike it | 18:41 |
| alterego | matchbox uses a tabular approach which I quite like. | 18:41 |
| penguinbait | hehehehe | 18:41 |
| alterego | I'd prefer a tabular/table approach. | 18:41 |
| penguinbait | matchbox is worst ever wm | 18:41 |
| hugolp | alterego: thanks for the info | 18:41 |
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| alterego | hugolp, no problem. | 18:41 |
| penguinbait | maybe for 320x240 | 18:42 |
| alterego | penguinbait, that's a bold statement. | 18:42 |
| penguinbait | matchbox is worst ever wm for IT | 18:42 |
| penguinbait | that better? | 18:42 |
| alterego | Rubbish | 18:42 |
| zoran | personaly, I could stand it | 18:42 |
| penguinbait | hehe, probably not | 18:42 |
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| alterego | I think the maemo UI is fine. | 18:42 |
| zoran | yes, it is | 18:42 |
| penguinbait | hildon and matchbox are two differnt things | 18:43 |
| zoran | and could be better for me in some other way | 18:43 |
| penguinbait | I said nothing about hildon | 18:43 |
| alterego | penguinbait, who said they were the same? | 18:43 |
| penguinbait | maemo UI ? | 18:43 |
| penguinbait | thats hildon | 18:43 |
| penguinbait | not matchbox | 18:43 |
| alterego | Maemo UI is built on matchbox penguinbait. | 18:43 |
| alterego | Hildon is a set of Widgets for devices with small screens. | 18:44 |
| penguinbait | maemo UI is hildon, its runs on a window manager called matchbox | 18:44 |
| penguinbait | perhaps the definition of small screen can be defined? | 18:44 |
| penguinbait | is it a resolution thing or physical thing which makes it a small screen? | 18:45 |
| alterego | I think this discussion is resolution independant. | 18:45 |
| zoran | alterego, I was very unhappy the very first time I saw maemo; it differs a lot of my every-day-screen; but, it probably cannot be more different for common user to buy it | 18:45 |
| * sp3000 tries to stuff a desktop monitor in his pants | 18:45 | |
| sp3000 | hmm | 18:45 |
| alterego | It[s more about physical size and practicality when it comes to input methods. | 18:45 |
| sp3000 | -> "not small" | 18:45 |
| penguinbait | 800x480 is plenty of room to strech out in, and matchbox makes me feel like I am in prison | 18:46 |
| penguinbait | get in your cell!! | 18:46 |
| alterego | But looking at that KDE screenshot you showed the channel earlier. I'd say KDE is too big for the IT screens. | 18:46 |
| alterego | O_o | 18:47 |
| zoran | for every box, in deed | 18:47 |
| penguinbait | looks fine to me | 18:47 |
| alterego | How does matchbox make you feel in prisoned? | 18:47 |
| zoran | bars? | 18:47 |
| alterego | What bars? | 18:47 |
| penguinbait | perhaps it depends on your vision | 18:47 |
| zoran | on the matchbox screen :) | 18:47 |
| suihkulokki | I guess this is the old "bwaa, too many pixels waisted in the default theme" | 18:47 |
| zoran | yes | 18:48 |
| suihkulokki | and then people forget that that it's a very high-dpi screen | 18:48 |
| suihkulokki | so unless one wants to stick their nose to the screen, big objects on screen is good | 18:48 |
| suihkulokki | even more so now that the gui should be usable with thumb, instead of with stylus | 18:49 |
| alterego | suihkulokki, that was pretty much my point with hildon :) | 18:49 |
| penguinbait | I am not dissing hildon, although I would like some movement in my windows. Its a matter of what you want. If you are happy with what they give you by all means use it. I like to use my stylus, and I do not use my fingers very often at all | 18:51 |
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| zoran | penguinbait, you proved your idea | 18:51 |
| * Tak in suihkulokki's camp | 18:52 | |
| alterego | Well, I don't like windows. | 18:52 |
| zoran | :) | 18:52 |
| alterego | Never have, never will. | 18:52 |
| penguinbait | back to that again, well I dont like matchbox and I never will | 18:52 |
| penguinbait | :) | 18:52 |
| * zoran dislikes carotts | 18:52 | |
| alterego | Well, at least matchbox doesn't waste your time. | 18:52 |
| zoran | uh, carrots | 18:53 |
| penguinbait | I also dont like beets ot walnuts or olives :) | 18:53 |
| alterego | Oh, how big should I make this window, where should I put it. Oh, now I want to put it somewhere else. | 18:53 |
| alterego | Blah blah blah ... | 18:53 |
| zoran | bt monitor? | 18:53 |
| penguinbait | I like running multiple desktops and fullscreen apps on each and I can toggle through them with my home key | 18:54 |
| penguinbait | you do know linux supports multiple desktops right? | 18:54 |
| alterego | How is that different to running multiple applications in maemo? | 18:54 |
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| zoran | probably parts of the one and only desktop | 18:54 |
| penguinbait | its cooler | 18:55 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 18:55 |
| alterego | O_o | 18:55 |
| penguinbait | oh its been a long morning | 18:55 |
| zoran | memory consumption _is_ question, you know | 18:55 |
| penguinbait | thanks for the fun discussions, I am off to propagate KDE :) | 18:55 |
| zoran | \o/ | 18:56 |
| penguinbait | plenty o memory to go around | 18:56 |
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| Tak | heh, matchbox gives you a theoretically infinite number of desktops, each with between 1 and 1 fullscreen windows | 18:57 |
| alterego | Tak, that was my point :/ | 18:58 |
| * Tak nods | 18:58 | |
| * alterego gets back to ruby-maemo | 18:58 | |
| zoran | fuse looks interesting to access fs's; only ssh or there are another options? | 19:05 |
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| alterego | There are many options. | 19:06 |
| alterego | fuse just allows the kernel to use FS drivers that are defined in user space. | 19:06 |
| zoran | I recall sshfs (mgedmin). zfs, ffs? | 19:07 |
| sp3000 | wtfs? | 19:07 |
| Tak | ntfs | 19:07 |
| zoran | ftp would not be so useful | 19:08 |
| zoran | what interface it should use to mount ntfs? | 19:09 |
| zoran | I don't have it, but sounds worthy | 19:10 |
| Tak | interface? | 19:13 |
| _Monkey | interface is lightyears ahead of anything else on the market | 19:13 |
| zoran | Tak, usb, serial, wi-fi; protocol? | 19:13 |
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| Tak | local | 19:24 |
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| zpol | brb | 19:34 |
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| legind | hey, I'm trying to get fuse working in bora, and I'm following the instructions on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/fuseportdevel/ but apparently I need to select debian-devkit first - can anyone tell me how to do this | 19:36 |
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| L0cutus | [OT] what's the best screen protector for my n800 ? | 19:48 |
| alterego | A titanium safe | 19:48 |
| Stalwart | a kitten? | 19:49 |
| sciboy | a condom | 19:52 |
| sp3000 | all of the above | 19:52 |
| amr | not using it | 19:52 |
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| Stalwart | kitten in titanium condom | 19:55 |
| Mikho | *shivers* | 19:55 |
| L0cutus | not a case | 19:55 |
| L0cutus | only the transparent film i mean :) | 19:55 |
| TPC | L0cutus, check out otterbox | 19:56 |
| TPC | oh, transparent film, no idea then | 19:56 |
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| TPC | but otterbox pda cases are nice, water and crush proof boxes, and they float | 19:56 |
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| TPC | and they have a soft membrame on the front so you can use the device while its inside | 19:56 |
| TPC | I have one that I got for my old pda, and my N800 fits nicely inside of it too, and the touch screen works fine trought the membrane | 19:57 |
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| L0cutus | otterbox on google ? | 19:57 |
| L0cutus | ok found | 19:57 |
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| TPC | they are a bit big, but well worth it if you are outdoors alot | 19:58 |
| TPC | or like me, like to use the device while taking a bath :P | 19:58 |
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| alterego | TPC, that sounds like just what I was looking for. | 19:58 |
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| alterego | Nice, so I'm not the only one that likes bathing with them .. | 19:59 |
| L0cutus | http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html | 19:59 |
| L0cutus | this seems to be ok :) | 19:59 |
| TPC | the one I have is a otterbox 2600, the N800 fits nicely inside of it | 19:59 |
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| alterego | I'm thinking more of a container for the N800 whilst I windsurf. | 19:59 |
| TPC | the only drawback is that you can't use the buttons on the top of the device | 19:59 |
| alterego | Right | 20:00 |
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| alterego | Interesting | 20:01 |
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| legind | has anyone got fuse working with the n800? | 20:22 |
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| L0cutus | does nokia 770 screen have the same size of n800 ? | 20:32 |
| Stalwart | нуы | 20:34 |
| Stalwart | *yes (wrong keymap) | 20:34 |
| alterego | L0cutus, identical, yes. | 20:34 |
| alterego | :D | 20:34 |
| L0cutus | perfect thanks | 20:34 |
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| deejoe | 0 | 21:06 |
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| pupnik | have any hackers tried a USB wifi dongle on 770/800 (ext 5v power)? | 21:12 |
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| Stalwart | usb wifi dongle o.O | 21:18 |
| Stalwart | i'd like to hear results | 21:18 |
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| |R | ehhe with a user friend wep cracker transparantly used in the network login ;) | 21:25 |
| |R | open AP, WEP open AP, WPA* ;) | 21:25 |
| wtfmate | i lvoe how xchat sucks so much on these devices | 21:25 |
| wtfmate | cant close out like any diags | 21:25 |
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| x2 | its so annoying | 21:26 |
| x2 | oh yea.. besides that | 21:26 |
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| Tak | x2: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-xchat/ | 21:26 |
| x2 | today I made they vKB huge | 21:26 |
| x2 | how did I do that? | 21:26 |
| |R | why not use pidgin for irc ? :) | 21:26 |
| x2 | is it good? | 21:26 |
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| |R | didn't try x-chat, so i can't compare... | 21:26 |
| x2 | is it on maemo? | 21:26 |
| |R | and i usually uses irssi/bitchx but hey, it works :) | 21:27 |
| x2 | hrm | 21:27 |
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| |R | yeah it's up there, it does all your IM needs ;) | 21:27 |
| |R | with encryption and all :P | 21:27 |
| x2 | wows | 21:27 |
| x2 | yay! | 21:27 |
| x2 | i need ssl | 21:27 |
| x2 | ok, thats solved, now how do I make teh vkb huge again? | 21:27 |
| |R | i think it does that too | 21:27 |
| x2 | :( | 21:27 |
| |R | with your thumb eheh | 21:28 |
| x2 | ? | 21:28 |
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| x2 | what? lol | 21:28 |
| |R | it's not always easy to trigger, but it senses the difference between a stylus and a big fat finger :P | 21:28 |
| x2 | LOL | 21:28 |
| x2 | anywhere in particular? | 21:28 |
| x2 | i liked when i got it to do it a few times | 21:28 |
| |R | on the text field you're trying to use | 21:28 |
| x2 | put my thumb in it? | 21:29 |
| x2 | lol | 21:29 |
| x2 | hmm | 21:29 |
| |R | maybe not _in_ but on yeah :P | 21:29 |
| x2 | haha | 21:29 |
| x2 | thanks | 21:29 |
| |R | you have to lower the small kbd first i think if it's there | 21:29 |
| |R | but not sure | 21:29 |
| x2 | how I got it up was, had the small kbd up, and I was wiping the screen off to get rid of prints and it poped up | 21:30 |
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| lophyte | hey all.. I'm looking at some of the screenshots in the tutorials, and they've got Application Installer, etc. in their Xephyr session... where can that (and other apps?) be installed from? | 22:01 |
| lophyte | or is that a remote scratchbox session? | 22:01 |
| Jaffa | The Maemo 3.2 rootstraps can contain "Nokia binaries". AFAIK, these have not been released yet for the Chinook SDK. | 22:02 |
| lophyte | I'm using 3.2 in scratchbox and afaik I've installed the nokia binaries | 22:03 |
| lophyte | though, all the "nokia binaries" installed was a contact manager | 22:03 |
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| lophyte | hrm, yeah... I went through the entire maemo 3.2 installation process.. all I've got in my scratchbox is control panel, maemopad and contacts | 22:12 |
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| lophyte | I guess those screenshots are from a remote scratchbox session into an actual Nokia device | 22:17 |
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| p| | 'sera | 22:36 |
| p| | anyone have tryed this: http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ ? | 22:36 |
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| lophyte | p|: nope, but looks cool | 22:40 |
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| Jiten | yes, pluthon does look like it could be useful ... now if it only it was for something else than that memory hog eclipse... (I'm actually hoping this is old information) | 23:12 |
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| p| | java is a memory hog and eclipse is java based | 23:21 |
| Stalwart | Jiten, i guess low ram amount is problem of your pc, not good software suite like eclipse | 23:21 |
| Stalwart | i prefer vim anyway | 23:21 |
| p| | i'm still configuring all for pluthon :) | 23:22 |
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| Stalwart | i hope i will be able to learn emacs someday | 23:22 |
| Jiten | p|: well, even with java, the amount of memory getting hogged depends quite a bit on the program | 23:22 |
| p| | Jiten: i don't know java very well unfortunately.. | 23:23 |
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| Jiten | Stalwart: my machine isn't lacking on memory, this one has 2GB. I just like to keep the most important software running constantly. Considering Eclipse's function, it'd become one of those. | 23:24 |
| lauti | somebody using Laika? | 23:25 |
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| Jiten | then again, 60% of that 2GB is currently functioning as cache. | 23:25 |
| lauti | tried to use it in conjunction with CDT 4... seems not to work properly... just downgraded whole eclipse to 3.2 and CDT 3.1... let's see | 23:25 |
| Jiten | I've just heard horror stories of eclipse eating 1 gigabyte. | 23:26 |
| Stalwart | Jiten, how did you manage to trash 800mb or ram? o.O | 23:26 |
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| Stalwart | even with kde, torrents, amarok and other stuff i rarely get past 700mb mark | 23:27 |
| Jiten | moment, need to recompile exmap module. | 23:27 |
| Stalwart | i guess i'll go watch movie... | 23:27 |
| Stalwart | don't like flamewars | 23:27 |
| Jiten | I'm running a lot of software. Firefox is taking the biggest portion I guess | 23:28 |
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| Jiten | ok, firefox 232MB, X server 82MB, deluge-torrent 55MB, quodlibet 54MB, spamd 35MB, gjiten 27MB, gnome-terminal 26MB, glade-3 25MB, evolution 25MB, perl 23MB (I wonder what this is), pidgin 22MB, ekiga 16MB, scim 14MB, mysqld 14M ... I guess that's the worst offenders. | 23:33 |
| Jiten | I guess maemo stuff is also taking somewhere around 40-50MB total | 23:34 |
| p|_ | mmm | 23:47 |
| p|_ | i've just 'ported' a dyndns client to armel :) | 23:47 |
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| p|_ | pity i'm unable to make a deb file :( | 23:48 |
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| |R | RushPL_: which one ? | 23:58 |
| _Monkey | well, which one is it? :) | 23:58 |
| |R | err | 23:58 |
| |R | pl: | 23:59 |
| p| | inadyn | 23:59 |
| p| | simple command line cli | 23:59 |
| p| | it support also no-ip etc... | 23:59 |
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