IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-11-01

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Jaffakeesj: is that built from the newly updated mud package? ;-)00:13
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dowellconningHow does one determine your OS version?00:31
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JaffaThere's got to be a better way of doing software development for Maemo than all these massive 50MB tarballs - just for Scratchbox (he says, as he installs Chinook on yet-another-machine)00:33
gla5550mb for sdk environment doesnt sound bad00:35
suihkulokkiJaffa: it's called sb2 ;)00:35
gla55some fuckin j2me emulators are in that league00:35
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Jaffagla55: no, there's about 8 50MB bundles00:39
Jaffasuihkulokki: trouble is, there doesn't seem to be any documentation on how to use Sb2 for Maemo dev - if it's even possible.00:40
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db48xit wasn't possible the last time I checked, but mostly because it didn't work on 64bit linux00:42
alterego - I designed this one with the tablet in mind ^_^00:43
db48xmaybe that's been fixed in the mean time00:43
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db48xeven so you'd still have to install maemo on it, which might be non-trivial00:43
Jaffaalterego: nice design, but fixed width? how 1999.00:44
timelessdb48x: vmware :)00:44
timelessor something00:44
Jaffatimeless: how many OSes do I want installed on one machine? ;-)00:44
alteregoJaffa, there's nothing wrong with fixed width :P00:44
db48xtimeless: yea, especially since I ended up having to use vmware anyway00:44
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timelessyou can vmware a 32bit linux, right?00:44
Jaffaalterego: there's lots wrong with fixed width... but I'm going to bed now ;-)00:44
Jaffatimeless: yup00:44
nwidgerhas nokia announced the release date for the nokia 810?00:44
alteregoIn your mind ..00:44
Jaffanwidger: "mid November".00:45
alteregoSome designs have to be built like that.00:45
timelessnwidger: i think the announcement was "before 1/1/2008" :)00:45
nwidgerJaffa: nothing more specific than that?00:45
nwidgerah okay...00:45
nwidgerbut i want one! :P00:45
timelessyou can't preorder?00:45
nwidgeri dunno, can you?00:45
nwidgerif you can... that would be a smart thing to do00:46
dowellconningMy Mum says thanks for noticing alterego =300:46
alteregodowellconning, :)00:46
timelessif you can't, that would be the nokia hting not to offer :(00:47
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nwidgertimeless: haha00:47
Jaffaalterego: So, my partially sighted friend bumps up the font size a little in his nice big browser window and sees:
Jaffaalterego: or, you say you designed it for the tablet, but if the browser window's not fullscreen, you'll get scrolling.00:48
* sciboy yawns a little.00:48
_Monkeyi guess or is the libxrandr just the client side library?00:48
alteregoWho browses on the tablet without full screen?00:49
alteregoWho zooms in far enough to break the design?00:49
sciboySomeone with bad vision?00:49
alteregoI'm not ignorant to these issues but CSS isn't perfect and sometimes you have to work around that.00:49
alteregoPeople that find it hard to read should turn of CSS completely.00:49
Jaffa1) I browse regularly full screen for quick checks of information because the redraw speed for moving from fullscreen and back again is too painful.00:49
JaffaWhy? Because the designer can't be arsed to do it properly?00:50
JaffaCSS isn't perfect by a *loooong* shot; however I've yet to see a visual design which couldn't be implemented in a fluid layout, it's just the designer's stubbornness on having it pixel "perfect" (as if that's achievable with HTML) means it's fixed width.00:51
alteregoThe problems that your capture show are fixed anyhow.00:51
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alteregoWell, except the backgrounds, but I'll redo the tiles later.00:51
JaffaYou can't fix having 4 words on a line without losing fixed width.00:51
JaffaAnyway, I'm not your boss - it's your website, do what you like :-)00:52
JaffaPersonally, I quite fancy getting some sleep...00:52
alteregoWhat's wrong with being pixel perfect ..00:52
alteregoYou're one of those "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folk aren't you?!" :P00:53
db48xthe expectation that your design will remain exactly the same across all viewers and devices00:53
JaffaNo, I'm just a pragmatist. You should design to the technical limitations of the medium. The web can't be pixel perfect without having a big image. You're too dependent on colour depths, installed fonts, zoom levels, screen size, configuration, OS etc.00:54
db48xrather than taking a little extra time and effort to make it look good on all viewers and devices, rather than exactly the same but broken00:54
alteregoI check on all common browsers.00:54
alteregoEdge cases just have to make do.00:54
db48xbut anyway, how has scratchbox2 progressed in the last few months00:54
JaffaFor example, one of our fixed widths at work looked lovely on our user's 1024x768 displays - all Windows, all maximised browser windows, with no vertical scrolling even. Lovely. But then loads of people had their windows taskbars at the side of the screen, so we ended up with horizontal scrolling rather than vertical, and it looked shoddy.00:55
alteregoThat's your fault for making such a wide site ..00:55
alteregoI say "your fault" I obviously don't mean _your_ fault :P00:56
JaffaI'll take the "your" to be the "your company" rather than a first-person personal pronoun ;-)00:56
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JaffaMy point is that every fixed width design is too wide for some display. Or too narrow. Or just too *fixed*.00:56
derfThe vast majority of the time my browser windows are 800x600 or smaller.00:56
db48xyea, but the point is that you can't pick any size that will be ok on all screens00:56
* Jaffa 's average around 900x700px00:56
db48xand window arrangements00:56
alteregoSame for mine.00:56
alteregoI think that layout looks good.00:56
db48xso you should make a design that can cope with all of them, or as wide a selection of them as possible00:57
alteregoOnce I create the proper background tiles ..00:57
dowellconningHaving a 360* scroll ball on the Apple mouse made me stop making my windows fit webpages00:57
JaffaI think that layout looks fine. But it could be a variable-width and look identical in your browser, but also look good on 480x320 screen.00:57
alteregoVariable width wouldn't be able to place those view panels the way they are and resize correctly.00:58
dowellconningSo my browser window is normally about 600 width 1000 height00:58
GeneralAntillesdowellconning, that's great, until that little scroll nipple gets filled with gunk and stops functioning.00:58
Jaffaalterego: they don't resize now, so any resizing would be an improvement ;-)00:58
alteregoIn your opinion.00:58
dowellconningSo true GA00:58
alteregoIF you're going to view a site with a 480 width resolution then you should expect it to have problems.00:59
Jaffaalterego: for our non-hypothetical partially sited user, or our user on a non-maximised tablet, or ...00:59
alteregoNot even the maemo website works non-fullscreen ..00:59
JaffaAnyway, I *guarantee* I could reproduce that design such that it looked identical in your browser, but scaled adequately within a realistic manner from about 480px wide up to 1600px wide.00:59
alteregoI understand exactly where you're coming from.01:00
alteregoBut until CSS allows me to place to floating divs next to each other, where I can specify a percentage width for each and margin. Which doesn't break when the zoom levels are changed I'm not going to bother.01:00
alteregoI use resizable designs often. But not exclusively.01:01
JaffaBut your design breaks when zoom levels change anyway!01:01
alteregoNo it doesn't.01:01
alteregoHow does it break?01:01
JaffaYou get 4 words to a line with a couple of steps of zoom. That's not exactly readable.01:01
alteregoIt's perfectly readable.01:01
dowellconningAn argument? Over web-standards? How novel! *Monocle*01:01
alteregoMaybe because it's lipsum ..01:02
JaffaYour nav bar starts clashing elements, despite there still being lots of space left in my browser window...01:02
alteregoI have trouble reading it at any zoom level.01:02
alteregoYeah, that's bound to happen.01:02
alteregoAnyhow, I actually do plan on making the design more fluid.01:03
alteregoThe reason it isn't now is because the original design had a background image that was of those dimensions.01:03
alteregoBut I couldn't get the image to look right so I scraped that design and did the one that you just saw.01:03
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alteregoAnd the fixed dimensions are more of a side effect from the first design :P01:04
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p|_is possible to use a bluetooth01:18
p|_with nokia n800 ?01:18
p|_(to use with voip etc...)01:19
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sciboyOh alterego, forgot to mention that blender does have some paint tools for textures and such, might be fun to play with all that on Maemo01:21
alteregoI've used blender a fair amount.01:22
alteregoJust not the engine.01:22
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sciboyReally? What kinda stuff have you done in it?01:22
alteregoNothing serious, I was writing my own game engine a while back and I was using it to model weapons etc.01:25
alteregoGot 90% through doing a very detailed Berretta 92FS and my computer died and I lost all the data.01:26
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alteregoNeedless to say, now I perform backups very regularly.01:26
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alteregoHmm .. Another bug in microbe01:27
zerojayWhat bug is that?01:28
alteregoIt screwing up the background on my layout :/01:29
sciboy2008 or 2007?01:29
alteregosciboy, how many times are we going to have to tell you it's not out yet?01:29
alteregoBy we I mean me01:29
alteregoI don't care about the others saying it :P01:30
sciboyI don't know if you were one of the people who got their hands on the N81001:30
alteregoI know of 3 people that got one other than Nokia workers.01:30
zerojayThe blogging trio.01:31
alteregoAnd I don't think any of those three come in here ..01:31
sciboyWell I've been holding off on a couple of bugs until 2008 comes round and I can confirm they're still valid.01:32
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alteregoThere, fluid layout :)01:38
sciboyalterego, I do 2D animation in Blender for the most part.01:40
sciboySculpting and modelling for fun, but rarely anything serious.01:40
alteregoYah, same kind of thing with me really.01:41
alteregoI find modelling relaxing.01:41
alteregoI guess now I find coding quite relaxing I don't need to model.01:41
* alterego hugs Ruby01:41
GeneralAntillesModeling is so zen.01:41
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sciboyMy main way to relax is doodling in any medium and animating.01:42
zerojayalterego: I was looking at your examples and I noticed a problem with one.01:42
alteregozerojay, yes?01:42
sciboyI pretty much just drop down random lines or colours and play with it for as long as I want, in the end it usually turns into some wierd creature.01:42
alteregoThere are probably many ;)01:42
zerojayalterego: Let me find which it was...01:42
alteregoMy examples are all really bad.01:43
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alteregoI just blurted them out whilst testing bits of the API and just wanted to show how to use certain things. They're very poorly designed.01:43
svenn800Does the cam work with skype?01:43
zerojaysvenn800: No.01:43
alteregoInfact, they're just scripts. I wouldn't even call them programs ;)01:43
zerojayalterego: Okay.. hildon_banner.rb...01:44
zerojayThe information banner doesn't work and causes it to die. ;P01:44
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zerojaybutton.signal_connect("clicked") do01:44
zerojay    banner = Hildon::Banner.show_information window, "Information"01:44
zerojay    banner.show_all01:44
zerojay  end01:44
zerojaybanner.show_all appears to be the problem.01:44
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zerojayI dont' remember what the actual error was but I believe it's something like show_all doesn't exist.01:45
alteregoAh, you're using OS2007 ..01:45
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alteregoSorry, my fault.01:45
alteregomaemo3 'banner_show_information' doesn't return anything. maemo4 returns a HildonBanner ..01:46
zerojayNo biggie. I wasn't sure if it was my fault or not. ;)01:46
alteregoRegardless, that "show_all" shouldn't be there.01:46
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alteregozerojay, thanks for the heads up though. Fixed the example now ;)01:47
alteregoKeep the feedback coming.01:47
zerojayAnyways, Ruby looks really good for Maemo. You've done a good job as far as I can tell. :)01:48
alteregozerojay, thank you for saying so.01:48
alteregoI've put a lot of effort into it.01:48
alteregoThough I've been sloppy with the documentation and testing.01:48
alteregoI'd imagine there are ~10 faults in it somewhere.01:49
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alteregoThat's why I've not officially announced it on the developers list. I was planning on doing some testing this weekend and release it properly in sync with OS2008/N81001:49
alteregoSo it'll probably be updated about once a week until I feel it's stable and I've added the other bindings I want to do before 1.001:50
zerojayWell, you've gotten me interested in screwing around with Ruby, so it can't be that bad. ;)01:50
alteregoWell, I'm glad. Please do and tell me about all the wonderful bugs you find :D01:51
zerojayWill do, sir.01:51
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dowellconningWhy doesn't the Pidgin.install from do anything? o.o03:18
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dowellconningAlso I don't suppose anyone knows how to get bash running on a 770 (I don't know the OS version, allthough I\'d03:22
dowellconninglike to know how to determine this)03:22
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dowellconningCan anyone point me to a pigdin package that works?03:56
GeneralAntillesBetter to set up a Jabber account with transports.03:56
dowellconningUsing the built in IM?03:58
GeneralAntillesYou'll have to activate the transports with Psi or something on a computer.03:59
GeneralAntillesBut, yeah.03:59
dowellconningKewl, thanks for your advice =304:00
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Robot101I think you'll be able to use the pidgin-based telepathy-haze backend with the inbuilt stuff on OS200804:00
dowellconningKewl n.n04:02
dowellconningI have no experience with Jabber, does it matter which server I choose?04:02
Robot101one with transports? <g>04:03
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dowellconningWhich do you use?04:03
dowellconningOr, how do I tell?04:04
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dowellconningGrr... this is all very over complicated o.o;04:19
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* dowellconning clicks04:27
dowellconningMSN is down on that server apparently04:28
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dowellconningAh, okay, I had a faulty repository that was stopping my app list refreshing04:39
dowellconningI can get pidgin now n.n04:39
GeneralAntillesPidgin is garbage on the tablets. ;)04:39
dowellconningProbally, but better than Gaim I should imagine XD04:40
GeneralAntillesIt's worth it to get the Jabber stuff working04:41
GeneralAntillesMuch lighter weight.04:41
GeneralAntillesDoesn't clog up your RAM and your task bar.04:41
dowellconningI think you are right, I'm just having difficulty with it at the moment :|04:41
dowellconningIf I could get the Jabber transports working in 5 mins then I would04:42
dowellconningBut I'm going to sleep in 5 mins and would like to have a MSN client working in the morning04:44
dowellconningAha, this'll do for now, but you are right about the RAM XD04:47
dowellconningI will sort that out tomorrow04:47
dowellconningThanks for all your help n.n04:47
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ranjanhi new N800 user here09:10
ranjanjust wanted to say hi to the community and learn a bit09:10
ranjangmail imap with default email client... does it work right?09:12
cesmanhello ranjan09:13
cesmandon't know, as I've not tried09:13
ranjancesman: thanks09:15
ranjanis there a lighter version og google maps?09:16
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billsbIm getting this10:47
billsb  pidgin: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.5.3-0) but it is not installable10:47
billsbIm looking for libnuls1310:47
billsbBut I dont have it10:47
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JaffaMorning, all10:49
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_Monkeyrepositories is, like,  and a searchable index at
pupniksearch there billsb10:55
billsbSorry, I was just watching tv... some people doing up a castle10:58
billsbIll check it out10:58
billsbNice site11:00
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billsbThanks pupnik11:06
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sciboy_w00t. IRC without my computer on11:26
czrircin on the calculator is the bestest.11:27
sciboy_Now I can idle more conveniently!11:28
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sciboy_... Brb, I just died.11:28
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sciboyStill not use to using this thing, although now I can surf in bed that'll be fixed quickly.11:30
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bergieI'm starting first-ever contributor karma calculation on this may take a bit of machine resources :-)11:47
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czrbergie, can't you use some other machine to do it? :-)11:48
bergienot ATM11:48
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sciboyI need to find some internet radio. =/11:49
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yannickHi! Is there an admin for planet maemo here ? My issue is this: when Nokia R&D Manager, Yannick Pellet blogs, it appears on planet maemo under my name: Yannick Defais. But I can't find his mail address... :( See: It seems I'm working on Sofia SIP12:48
yannickReason seems I'm register on maemo using the nick "Yannick".12:50
yannickHow can I solve this?12:50
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JaffaI guess his real name in his Maemo profile was set wrongly.12:53
JaffaRaise a bug in Bugzilla?12:54
bergieyannick: we need to set the author into the feed then12:54
bergieif the author is not set the importer tries to probe based on what the feed provides as author info12:54
yannickbergie, who could do that?13:00 doesnt work?13:01
yannickSvenn800, never tried, let's see...13:01
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bergieyannick: I can look at it once the karma recount finishes... 5561 people have karma now13:02
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yannickbergie, thx13:02
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bedboihi there13:04
Svenn800Can you suggest any display protection  foils?13:04
Svenn800What is gizmo13:05
_Monkeygizmo is, like, sip compliant13:06
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Svenn800But closed source?13:07
yannickyes closed13:08
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Stalwarthi there13:40
_Monkeyhello, Stalwart13:40
Stalwart <-- here's written that n810 has fm transmitter13:41
Stalwartit's bullshit?13:41
Stalwartcan't wait to buy that thing13:45
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Stalwarti need to write something as college thesis work13:46
Stalwarti think about good terminal emulator or some game13:46
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bergieyannick: Quim promised to look at the problem13:55
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yannickbergie, thanks14:00
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disqooh. apple macbook updated, they have santa rosa and x3100 now14:12
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GeneralAntillesNow . . . where are my Mac Pros? :\14:15
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disqnew gp2x with touchscreen out btw15:00
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p|gp2x ?15:01
_Monkeygp2x is a handheld gaming system.  runs linux, very open source and open platform.  two 200-250MHz ARM cores (one 920, one 940)15:01
disqyeah, a talking monkeybot15:04
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disqooh i finally got imap in my google apps domain15:19
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disqnow gotta install clawsmail15:19
bedboihi there.15:19
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cosmo_hm, is there a way to check that app is running on Maemo device in shell script?15:28
cosmo_easy way (like existance of a file)15:29
inzpidof -s <binary-name> > /dev/null && echo "Process running" || echo "Process not running"15:33
inz-s is only an optimization and can be omitted15:34
cosmo_i mean testing (in post-install script) that a package is being installed on device, not on desktop linux15:34
inzAhh, sorry15:34
cosmo_actually pidof <maemo only process> might work15:34
inzI misunderstood what you were asking ;)15:34
cosmo_sorry, it wasn't a clear question ;)15:35
inzYou could check something like /etc/osso_software_version15:35
inzOr grep /proc/cpuinfo for something15:35
Takhmm @ osso_software_version15:36
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cosmo_those could be good15:38
cosmo_another q: how to add user to a group? addgroup in maemo does not have -a option15:38
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czrtimeless, ah, finally ;-)16:07
czr(the rhapsody web page "bug")16:07
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* czr keeps mistyping Internet Tablets as Internet Tables16:16
czrmaybe there is a niche market for those16:16
czr"browse while you drink coffee/beer"16:16
czr"control the browser by spashing coffee over hyperlinks"16:16
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FatalI thought MS did one of those16:17
czrhmm. Internet Chair then!16:18
czrok. maybe not.16:18
Fatalconsidering there are so many asses on the net I personally think that's a bad idea16:19
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czrwell. I'm sure people over in japan would love the idea.16:20
czrthey seem to go after all kinds of crazy stuff anyway :-)16:20
zeenixczr: in st enterprise, they seem to be using both tablets and tables16:28
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czrzeenix :-)16:29
Takczr: the target device for Japan would be Internet Toilet16:32
czrTak, true!16:32
czrmaybe I should launch the whole series of Internet Furniture, for Home and Lavatories.16:32
TakComing Soon: Internet Bidet16:33
czrhmm. the toilet version could be abbreviated into InToilet(tm)16:33
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cosmo_hm, i have a app that works in sb with, but not by itself.. how can i debug it?16:39
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czrcosmo_, you mean how do you use gdb with it?16:40
czrdebugging can be done in many ways, not all of which are related to gdb.16:40
inzcosmo, gdb <binaryname>16:40
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* czr needs to fix his fingers.16:41
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cosmo_inz: thanks, that's what i was looking for16:51
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b0unc3I've created a .service file for my app... now it starts from the menu... but after some seconds it's quit... someone know why ?17:09
inzb0unc3, you've defined X-Osso-Service in your .desktop file, but your program doesn't register that name in dbus17:10
inzb0unc3, dbus-daemon kills processes it starts, if they don't register the name they were started for17:14
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b0unc3inz: you are right, now it work fine... thank you17:22
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* lardman wonders if the karma rating includes numbers of lines of irc chat17:24
* lardman also wonders whether the number of emails, etc., are rated for content17:25
Takobviously not @ irc; mine would be higher :-P17:25
lardmanJust an idle thought17:25
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inzI wonder how can I lower my karma17:25
Takalso pupnik's17:25
lardmanDoes anyone know if the content is filtered/rated? I wonder how this can be achieved?17:25
Takinz: grind up babies, and feed the result to other babies17:25
inzDo I need to post total rubbinsh onto my blog which will be "thumbed down"17:25
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lardmandepends how they weight complete rubbish17:26
lardmanvs total rubbish :)17:27
czrinz, you don't have to. it was so low that it just went around methinks :-)17:29
* czr thinks of replying to all ml-messages with "yes, I completely agree" or "no, that's poppycock". just randomly selecting which to use for each message. or hmm. maybe should be based on the clock somehow17:30
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inzczr, so my karma would be something like UINT_MAX-3417:30
inzczr, sounds about right17:31
* czr nods17:31
lardmanProbably NaN17:32
czror NaaN17:32
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czrhmm. now I know why naan looks so funny17:32
lardmanas in -bread?17:33
lardmanIf the irc logs are ever used for karma, _Monkey will be up there :)17:34
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czrlardman, yes.17:40
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mmillerSo anyone install Python 2.5 on there N800 yet?18:11
X-Fademmiller: Sure..18:11
lardmanI think I did so too18:11
timelesssure seems like it's been done an awful lot18:11
timelessgoogle: maemo python 2.518:11
X-FadeKagu uses it? :)18:11
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mmillerX-Fade: So what's the trick to finding all of the dependencies?18:14
Takhas somebody feature-requested that an install file be able to add >1 repo?18:14
X-Fademmiller: There is none? It is installable via the app manager?18:14
timelesstak: i'm sure...18:15
Takmmiller: add the " bora free non-free" repo18:15
mmillerApp Manager tells me I need libgdbm3 libncurses5 and libreadline418:16
X-FadeTak can read minds ;)18:16
disqTak: chinook app manager can do that.18:17
luck^mmiller, use both install files available at
Takdisq: nice18:19
mmillerbora free non-free are all in the distribution or is bora only in the distribution and free non-free go in the components?18:19
_Monkeyi guess latter is /var/log/syslog iirc18:19
mmillerThanks for your help BTW.18:19
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timeless_monkey forget latter18:20
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot latter18:20
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timeless_monkey latter is <reply>18:20
_MonkeyOK, timeless.18:20
lardmantimeless: what does that tell him to do about latter?18:21
zoran_monkey list <reply>18:22
_Monkeyzoran: sorry...18:22
timeless_monkey literal latter18:23
_Monkeytimeless: latter =is= <reply>18:23
timelessit tells him tha the response to latter is nothing18:23
timelessbut nothing is something, so it can't learn something else for that word18:23
lardmantoo late in the day for me18:24
zoran_monkey literal <>18:24
_Monkeyzoran: i'm not following you...18:24
mmillerI figured it out.18:25
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mmillerThanks for your help X-Fade, Tak and luck^.18:25
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zoranwhat software is used for \_<upper>M&onkey?18:28
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timeless_monkey infobot?18:31
_Monkeyinfobot is at
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zorank, gonna surf  :)18:31
timeless/ctcp _monkey version18:31
timeless*** CTCP VERSION reply from _Monkey: infobot 0.45.3 [Wurm]18:31
timelessinfobots can be helpful18:31
timeless_monkey is just annoying18:32
Takhmm, is garage undergoing scheduled maintenance?18:32
Takor did somebody really let the disk fill up?18:32
timelessAn error occured in the logger. ERROR: could not extend relation "activity_log": No space left on device HINT: Check free disk space.18:32
* Tak grins18:32
TakI bet the karma system killed it18:33
zoransource has moved to infobot.org18:33
timelesstimeless@maemo-gforge:~$ df -h .18:34
timelessFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on18:34
timeless-                      15G   14G     0 100% /18:34
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onioneverything on / ?18:35
timelesswww is 2.6 gb18:36
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timelessok, reported to ferenc18:38
timelessit was supposed to have at least /some/ space18:38
timelessscheduled maintenance was next week18:38
timelesstoo bad for ferenc, his evening is shot18:38
TakI wouldn't have said anything18:38
timelessbetter you here now than most other possibilities18:39
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timelessanyway, he's on the box now, i'm leaving it alone :)18:41
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* timeless rotfl18:44
timeless<link:... - #18:44
timeless# Flame Author>18:44
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X-FadeGarage is back again..18:46
timeless-                      15G   14G  163M  99% /18:47
timelessyeah, that'll really last :)18:47
X-Fadetimeless: Nah ;)18:47
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_Monkeyhola, skibur18:51
skiburI will receiving my N800 tomorrow18:52
skiburcan't wait to be part of this group18:52
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timelesscan someone point me to an official nokia page that explains 4.2007.38-218:53
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timeless i guess?18:55
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timelesspersonally, i'd blame all the new garage project submissions :)19:02
zoranmaybe you could make another partition called /dev/nulla and store all those projects there to be safe?19:05
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zoranlike Houdini19:20
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quuxIs it possible to pair a bluetooth headset with the Nokia 770?19:27
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skiburso its just a matter of cross compiling using scratchbox to use CL apps on my N800?19:30
Takand installing osso-xterm ;-)19:31
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sven-tekHi! Is there a good podcast-software for n800?19:34
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skiburI will use my N800 for about a good 6 months before I start developing for it19:35
skiburI'm still with Nintendo DS + Linux (DSLinux) project.19:35
skiburis this server   ?19:38
TakI always use , but I think chat will work as well19:39
skiburso its the same19:39
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quuxyes. == irc.freenode.net19:40
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skiburosso-xterm good?19:41
skiburI'm a command line person19:42
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red-zackskibur: yes19:47
skiburgreat, I will get it soon as I get my N800 which is tomorrow19:47
Takheh - you won't get far on the commandline without osso-xterm19:48
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pupniki'm still somewhat surprised20:01
pupnikthat in the past 6 months I can count on one hand the number of productive developers who have shown up here20:01
pupnikok maybe two20:02
pupnikpeople who just joined up20:02
* timeless wonders what kind of people pupnik is counting20:03
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rubiksI'm skibur20:06
rubiksI'm at work20:06
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unique311turned off my n800 oct29....will not turn back on until chinook update...que sera, sera....20:23
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Takhmm, what bluetooth service to I need to enable on a winbox to be able to use the device's FileManager->Send via Bluetooth ?20:26
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Takaha, finally20:35
* Tak enable everything, disable required security on everything20:35
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keesjTak: nice21:08
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sciboyKinda wish there was a video encoder on maemo itself, since I would rather wait a long while than have to go through the whole deal of doing it through my computer.21:09
Takyou could probably build mencoder21:10
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Takkeesj: it's almost usable ;-)21:12
keesjand its even more that just graphics!21:12
keesjI just liked the graphics :p21:15
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keesjI did not know it was a working prototype  using ruby?21:15
Takthe background, or the buttons? ;-)21:15
vivijimTak: what is this?21:17
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Takvivijim: it's an onscreen kb for SDL, using Rubygame21:17
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vivijimuhm it is interesting... and nice21:18
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sciboyJaffa, Mind helping me a bit with getting mediaserv going?21:41
sciboyJaffa, I'm getting "Not Found" when I visit the server.21:42
sciboyJaffa, Never mind, forgot to uncomment it.21:44
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|Rzerojay : were you able to make kopete work with n800's video chat?22:39
|R(n800 -> linux-PC)22:39
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lautihi folks23:00
lautigoing to use Eclipse 3.3 with CDT 4.1 for cross-compilation23:01
lautiany hints?23:01
lautiany experiences?23:02
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lautiI am wondering how can manage to let Eclipse builder compiling within the scratchbox environment...23:02
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lauticreated a hello world project in Eclipse, project files located within my home folder within scratchbox23:12
lautiadded gtk libs of scratchbox to the linker settings23:13
lautisame for include pathes23:13
lautieverything is pointing to the scratchbox variants of gtk, both include paths and libx23:13
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lautiit compiles but when it comes to lining it fails23:13
lautiI can call the eclipse generated make file from within scratchbox, too23:14
lautithis works fine23:14
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lautiso actually I am at least able to edit the project and then compile within Eclipse just for code syntax check23:15
lautito get a binary i then need to build it again from within scratchbox23:15
lautiit's ok, but not perfect23:15
lautiany hints to get it done better?23:16
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zerojay|R: I've never tried, to be honest.23:57
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