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| Jaffa | keesj: is that built from the newly updated mud package? ;-) | 00:13 |
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| dowellconning | How does one determine your OS version? | 00:31 |
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| Jaffa | There's got to be a better way of doing software development for Maemo than all these massive 50MB tarballs - just for Scratchbox (he says, as he installs Chinook on yet-another-machine) | 00:33 |
| gla55 | 50mb for sdk environment doesnt sound bad | 00:35 |
| suihkulokki | Jaffa: it's called sb2 ;) | 00:35 |
| gla55 | some fuckin j2me emulators are in that league | 00:35 |
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| Jaffa | gla55: no, there's about 8 50MB bundles | 00:39 |
| Jaffa | suihkulokki: trouble is, there doesn't seem to be any documentation on how to use Sb2 for Maemo dev - if it's even possible. | 00:40 |
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| db48x | it wasn't possible the last time I checked, but mostly because it didn't work on 64bit linux | 00:42 |
| alterego | http://rubyx.co.uk:3000/home - I designed this one with the tablet in mind ^_^ | 00:43 |
| db48x | maybe that's been fixed in the mean time | 00:43 |
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| db48x | even so you'd still have to install maemo on it, which might be non-trivial | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | alterego: nice design, but fixed width? how 1999. | 00:44 |
| timeless | db48x: vmware :) | 00:44 |
| timeless | or something | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | timeless: how many OSes do I want installed on one machine? ;-) | 00:44 |
| alterego | Jaffa, there's nothing wrong with fixed width :P | 00:44 |
| db48x | timeless: yea, especially since I ended up having to use vmware anyway | 00:44 |
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| timeless | you can vmware a 32bit linux, right? | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | alterego: there's lots wrong with fixed width... but I'm going to bed now ;-) | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | timeless: yup | 00:44 |
| nwidger | has nokia announced the release date for the nokia 810? | 00:44 |
| alterego | In your mind .. | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | nwidger: "mid November". | 00:45 |
| alterego | Some designs have to be built like that. | 00:45 |
| timeless | nwidger: i think the announcement was "before 1/1/2008" :) | 00:45 |
| nwidger | Jaffa: nothing more specific than that? | 00:45 |
| nwidger | ah okay... | 00:45 |
| nwidger | but i want one! :P | 00:45 |
| timeless | you can't preorder? | 00:45 |
| nwidger | i dunno, can you? | 00:45 |
| timeless | dunno | 00:46 |
| nwidger | hm. | 00:46 |
| nwidger | if you can... that would be a smart thing to do | 00:46 |
| dowellconning | My Mum says thanks for noticing alterego =3 | 00:46 |
| alterego | dowellconning, :) | 00:46 |
| timeless | if you can't, that would be the nokia hting not to offer :( | 00:47 |
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| nwidger | timeless: haha | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | alterego: So, my partially sighted friend bumps up the font size a little in his nice big browser window and sees: http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/rubyx.png | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | alterego: or, you say you designed it for the tablet, but if the browser window's not fullscreen, you'll get scrolling. | 00:48 |
| * sciboy yawns a little. | 00:48 | |
| alterego | or? | 00:48 |
| _Monkey | i guess or is the libxrandr just the client side library? | 00:48 |
| alterego | Who browses on the tablet without full screen? | 00:49 |
| alterego | Who zooms in far enough to break the design? | 00:49 |
| sciboy | Someone with bad vision? | 00:49 |
| alterego | I'm not ignorant to these issues but CSS isn't perfect and sometimes you have to work around that. | 00:49 |
| alterego | People that find it hard to read should turn of CSS completely. | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | 1) I browse regularly full screen for quick checks of information because the redraw speed for moving from fullscreen and back again is too painful. | 00:49 |
| Jaffa | Why? Because the designer can't be arsed to do it properly? | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | CSS isn't perfect by a *loooong* shot; however I've yet to see a visual design which couldn't be implemented in a fluid layout, it's just the designer's stubbornness on having it pixel "perfect" (as if that's achievable with HTML) means it's fixed width. | 00:51 |
| alterego | The problems that your capture show are fixed anyhow. | 00:51 |
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| alterego | Well, except the backgrounds, but I'll redo the tiles later. | 00:51 |
| Jaffa | You can't fix having 4 words on a line without losing fixed width. | 00:51 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, I'm not your boss - it's your website, do what you like :-) | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | Personally, I quite fancy getting some sleep... | 00:52 |
| Jaffa | g'night | 00:52 |
| alterego | O_o | 00:52 |
| alterego | What's wrong with being pixel perfect .. | 00:52 |
| alterego | You're one of those "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folk aren't you?!" :P | 00:53 |
| db48x | the expectation that your design will remain exactly the same across all viewers and devices | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | No, I'm just a pragmatist. You should design to the technical limitations of the medium. The web can't be pixel perfect without having a big image. You're too dependent on colour depths, installed fonts, zoom levels, screen size, configuration, OS etc. | 00:54 |
| db48x | rather than taking a little extra time and effort to make it look good on all viewers and devices, rather than exactly the same but broken | 00:54 |
| alterego | I check on all common browsers. | 00:54 |
| alterego | Edge cases just have to make do. | 00:54 |
| db48x | but anyway, how has scratchbox2 progressed in the last few months | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | For example, one of our fixed widths at work looked lovely on our user's 1024x768 displays - all Windows, all maximised browser windows, with no vertical scrolling even. Lovely. But then loads of people had their windows taskbars at the side of the screen, so we ended up with horizontal scrolling rather than vertical, and it looked shoddy. | 00:55 |
| alterego | That's your fault for making such a wide site .. | 00:55 |
| alterego | I say "your fault" I obviously don't mean _your_ fault :P | 00:56 |
| Jaffa | I'll take the "your" to be the "your company" rather than a first-person personal pronoun ;-) | 00:56 |
| alterego | ;) | 00:56 |
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| Jaffa | My point is that every fixed width design is too wide for some display. Or too narrow. Or just too *fixed*. | 00:56 |
| derf | The vast majority of the time my browser windows are 800x600 or smaller. | 00:56 |
| db48x | yea, but the point is that you can't pick any size that will be ok on all screens | 00:56 |
| * Jaffa 's average around 900x700px | 00:56 | |
| db48x | and window arrangements | 00:56 |
| alterego | Same for mine. | 00:56 |
| alterego | I think that layout looks good. | 00:56 |
| db48x | so you should make a design that can cope with all of them, or as wide a selection of them as possible | 00:57 |
| alterego | Once I create the proper background tiles .. | 00:57 |
| dowellconning | Having a 360* scroll ball on the Apple mouse made me stop making my windows fit webpages | 00:57 |
| Jaffa | I think that layout looks fine. But it could be a variable-width and look identical in your browser, but also look good on 480x320 screen. | 00:57 |
| alterego | Rubbish | 00:57 |
| alterego | Variable width wouldn't be able to place those view panels the way they are and resize correctly. | 00:58 |
| dowellconning | So my browser window is normally about 600 width 1000 height | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | dowellconning, that's great, until that little scroll nipple gets filled with gunk and stops functioning. | 00:58 |
| Jaffa | alterego: they don't resize now, so any resizing would be an improvement ;-) | 00:58 |
| alterego | In your opinion. | 00:58 |
| dowellconning | So true GA | 00:58 |
| alterego | IF you're going to view a site with a 480 width resolution then you should expect it to have problems. | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | alterego: for our non-hypothetical partially sited user, or our user on a non-maximised tablet, or ... | 00:59 |
| alterego | Not even the maemo website works non-fullscreen .. | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, I *guarantee* I could reproduce that design such that it looked identical in your browser, but scaled adequately within a realistic manner from about 480px wide up to 1600px wide. | 00:59 |
| alterego | I understand exactly where you're coming from. | 01:00 |
| alterego | But until CSS allows me to place to floating divs next to each other, where I can specify a percentage width for each and margin. Which doesn't break when the zoom levels are changed I'm not going to bother. | 01:00 |
| alterego | I use resizable designs often. But not exclusively. | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | But your design breaks when zoom levels change anyway! | 01:01 |
| alterego | No it doesn't. | 01:01 |
| alterego | How does it break? | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | You get 4 words to a line with a couple of steps of zoom. That's not exactly readable. | 01:01 |
| alterego | It's perfectly readable. | 01:01 |
| dowellconning | An argument? Over web-standards? How novel! *Monocle* | 01:01 |
| alterego | Maybe because it's lipsum .. | 01:02 |
| Jaffa | Your nav bar starts clashing elements, despite there still being lots of space left in my browser window... | 01:02 |
| alterego | I have trouble reading it at any zoom level. | 01:02 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's bound to happen. | 01:02 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I actually do plan on making the design more fluid. | 01:03 |
| alterego | The reason it isn't now is because the original design had a background image that was of those dimensions. | 01:03 |
| alterego | But I couldn't get the image to look right so I scraped that design and did the one that you just saw. | 01:03 |
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| alterego | And the fixed dimensions are more of a side effect from the first design :P | 01:04 |
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| p|_ | is possible to use a bluetooth | 01:18 |
| p|_ | 01:18 | |
| p|_ | Headset | 01:18 |
| p|_ | with nokia n800 ? | 01:18 |
| p|_ | (to use with voip etc...) | 01:19 |
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| sciboy | Oh alterego, forgot to mention that blender does have some paint tools for textures and such, might be fun to play with all that on Maemo | 01:21 |
| alterego | I've used blender a fair amount. | 01:22 |
| alterego | Just not the engine. | 01:22 |
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| sciboy | Really? What kinda stuff have you done in it? | 01:22 |
| alterego | Nothing serious, I was writing my own game engine a while back and I was using it to model weapons etc. | 01:25 |
| alterego | Got 90% through doing a very detailed Berretta 92FS and my computer died and I lost all the data. | 01:26 |
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| alterego | Needless to say, now I perform backups very regularly. | 01:26 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. Another bug in microbe | 01:27 |
| zerojay | What bug is that? | 01:28 |
| alterego | It screwing up the background on my layout :/ | 01:29 |
| sciboy | 2008 or 2007? | 01:29 |
| _Monkey | 2015 | 01:29 |
| alterego | sciboy, how many times are we going to have to tell you it's not out yet? | 01:29 |
| alterego | By we I mean me | 01:29 |
| alterego | I don't care about the others saying it :P | 01:30 |
| sciboy | I don't know if you were one of the people who got their hands on the N810 | 01:30 |
| alterego | I know of 3 people that got one other than Nokia workers. | 01:30 |
| zerojay | The blogging trio. | 01:31 |
| alterego | And I don't think any of those three come in here .. | 01:31 |
| alterego | Yes | 01:31 |
| sciboy | Well I've been holding off on a couple of bugs until 2008 comes round and I can confirm they're still valid. | 01:32 |
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| alterego | There, fluid layout :) | 01:38 |
| sciboy | alterego, I do 2D animation in Blender for the most part. | 01:40 |
| sciboy | Sculpting and modelling for fun, but rarely anything serious. | 01:40 |
| alterego | Yah, same kind of thing with me really. | 01:41 |
| alterego | I find modelling relaxing. | 01:41 |
| alterego | I guess now I find coding quite relaxing I don't need to model. | 01:41 |
| * alterego hugs Ruby | 01:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Modeling is so zen. | 01:41 |
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| sciboy | My main way to relax is doodling in any medium and animating. | 01:42 |
| zerojay | alterego: I was looking at your examples and I noticed a problem with one. | 01:42 |
| alterego | zerojay, yes? | 01:42 |
| sciboy | I pretty much just drop down random lines or colours and play with it for as long as I want, in the end it usually turns into some wierd creature. | 01:42 |
| alterego | There are probably many ;) | 01:42 |
| zerojay | alterego: Let me find which it was... | 01:42 |
| alterego | My examples are all really bad. | 01:43 |
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| alterego | I just blurted them out whilst testing bits of the API and just wanted to show how to use certain things. They're very poorly designed. | 01:43 |
| svenn800 | Does the cam work with skype? | 01:43 |
| zerojay | svenn800: No. | 01:43 |
| alterego | Infact, they're just scripts. I wouldn't even call them programs ;) | 01:43 |
| zerojay | alterego: Okay.. hildon_banner.rb... | 01:44 |
| zerojay | The information banner doesn't work and causes it to die. ;P | 01:44 |
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| zerojay | button.signal_connect("clicked") do | 01:44 |
| zerojay | banner = Hildon::Banner.show_information window, "Information" | 01:44 |
| zerojay | banner.show_all | 01:44 |
| zerojay | end | 01:44 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 01:44 |
| zerojay | banner.show_all appears to be the problem. | 01:44 |
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| zerojay | I dont' remember what the actual error was but I believe it's something like show_all doesn't exist. | 01:45 |
| alterego | Ah, you're using OS2007 .. | 01:45 |
| zerojay | Yeah. | 01:45 |
| alterego | Damnit. | 01:45 |
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| alterego | Sorry, my fault. | 01:45 |
| alterego | maemo3 'banner_show_information' doesn't return anything. maemo4 returns a HildonBanner .. | 01:46 |
| zerojay | No biggie. I wasn't sure if it was my fault or not. ;) | 01:46 |
| alterego | Regardless, that "show_all" shouldn't be there. | 01:46 |
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| alterego | zerojay, thanks for the heads up though. Fixed the example now ;) | 01:47 |
| alterego | Keep the feedback coming. | 01:47 |
| zerojay | Anyways, Ruby looks really good for Maemo. You've done a good job as far as I can tell. :) | 01:48 |
| alterego | zerojay, thank you for saying so. | 01:48 |
| alterego | I've put a lot of effort into it. | 01:48 |
| alterego | Though I've been sloppy with the documentation and testing. | 01:48 |
| alterego | I'd imagine there are ~10 faults in it somewhere. | 01:49 |
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| alterego | That's why I've not officially announced it on the developers list. I was planning on doing some testing this weekend and release it properly in sync with OS2008/N810 | 01:49 |
| alterego | So it'll probably be updated about once a week until I feel it's stable and I've added the other bindings I want to do before 1.0 | 01:50 |
| zerojay | Well, you've gotten me interested in screwing around with Ruby, so it can't be that bad. ;) | 01:50 |
| alterego | :) | 01:50 |
| alterego | Well, I'm glad. Please do and tell me about all the wonderful bugs you find :D | 01:51 |
| zerojay | Will do, sir. | 01:51 |
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| dowellconning | Why doesn't the Pidgin.install from Maemo.org do anything? o.o | 03:18 |
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| dowellconning | Also I don't suppose anyone knows how to get bash running on a 770 (I don't know the OS version, allthough I\'d | 03:22 |
| dowellconning | like to know how to determine this) | 03:22 |
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| dowellconning | Can anyone point me to a pigdin package that works? | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to set up a Jabber account with transports. | 03:56 |
| dowellconning | Using the built in IM? | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll have to activate the transports with Psi or something on a computer. | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yeah. | 03:59 |
| dowellconning | Kewl, thanks for your advice =3 | 04:00 |
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| Robot101 | I think you'll be able to use the pidgin-based telepathy-haze backend with the inbuilt stuff on OS2008 | 04:00 |
| Robot101 | :) | 04:00 |
| dowellconning | Kewl n.n | 04:02 |
| dowellconning | I have no experience with Jabber, does it matter which server I choose? | 04:02 |
| Robot101 | one with transports? <g> | 04:03 |
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| dowellconning | Which do you use? | 04:03 |
| dowellconning | Or, how do I tell? | 04:04 |
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| dowellconning | Grr... this is all very over complicated o.o; | 04:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.jabbim.com/ | 04:25 |
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| dowellconning | MSN is down on that server apparently | 04:28 |
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| dowellconning | Ah, okay, I had a faulty repository that was stopping my app list refreshing | 04:39 |
| dowellconning | I can get pidgin now n.n | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pidgin is garbage on the tablets. ;) | 04:39 |
| dowellconning | Probally, but better than Gaim I should imagine XD | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's worth it to get the Jabber stuff working | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much lighter weight. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't clog up your RAM and your task bar. | 04:41 |
| dowellconning | I think you are right, I'm just having difficulty with it at the moment :| | 04:41 |
| dowellconning | If I could get the Jabber transports working in 5 mins then I would | 04:42 |
| dowellconning | But I'm going to sleep in 5 mins and would like to have a MSN client working in the morning | 04:44 |
| dowellconning | Aha, this'll do for now, but you are right about the RAM XD | 04:47 |
| dowellconning | I will sort that out tomorrow | 04:47 |
| dowellconning | Thanks for all your help n.n | 04:47 |
| dowellconning | Goodnight | 04:47 |
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| ranjan | hi new N800 user here | 09:10 |
| ranjan | just wanted to say hi to the community and learn a bit | 09:10 |
| ranjan | gmail imap with default email client... does it work right? | 09:12 |
| cesman | hello ranjan | 09:13 |
| cesman | don't know, as I've not tried | 09:13 |
| ranjan | cesman: thanks | 09:15 |
| ranjan | is there a lighter version og google maps? | 09:16 |
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| billsb | HI | 10:46 |
| billsb | Im getting this | 10:47 |
| billsb | pidgin: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.5.3-0) but it is not installable | 10:47 |
| billsb | Im looking for libnuls13 | 10:47 |
| billsb | But I dont have it | 10:47 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
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| pupnik | repositories? | 10:55 |
| _Monkey | repositories is, like, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 10:55 |
| pupnik | search there billsb | 10:55 |
| billsb | So | 10:58 |
| billsb | Srr | 10:58 |
| billsb | Sorry, I was just watching tv... some people doing up a castle | 10:58 |
| billsb | Ill check it out | 10:58 |
| billsb | Nice site | 11:00 |
| billsb | Cheers | 11:00 |
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| billsb | Thanks pupnik | 11:06 |
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| sciboy_ | w00t. IRC without my computer on | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 11:27 |
| czr | ircin on the calculator is the bestest. | 11:27 |
| sciboy_ | Now I can idle more conveniently! | 11:28 |
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| sciboy_ | ... Brb, I just died. | 11:28 |
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| sciboy | Still not use to using this thing, although now I can surf in bed that'll be fixed quickly. | 11:30 |
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| bergie | I'm starting first-ever contributor karma calculation on maemo.org... this may take a bit of machine resources :-) | 11:47 |
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| czr | bergie, can't you use some other machine to do it? :-) | 11:48 |
| bergie | not ATM | 11:48 |
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| sciboy | I need to find some internet radio. =/ | 11:49 |
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| yannick | Hi! Is there an admin for planet maemo here ? My issue is this: when Nokia R&D Manager, Yannick Pellet blogs, it appears on planet maemo under my name: Yannick Defais. But I can't find his mail address... :( See: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/archive/month/2005/10.html It seems I'm working on Sofia SIP | 12:48 |
| yannick | Reason seems I'm register on maemo using the nick "Yannick". | 12:50 |
| yannick | How can I solve this? | 12:50 |
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| Jaffa | I guess his real name in his Maemo profile was set wrongly. | 12:53 |
| Jaffa | Raise a bug in Bugzilla? | 12:54 |
| bergie | yannick: we need to set the author into the feed then | 12:54 |
| bergie | if the author is not set the importer tries to probe based on what the feed provides as author info | 12:54 |
| yannick | bergie, who could do that? | 13:00 |
| Svenn800 | Yannick.pellet@nokia.com doesnt work? | 13:01 |
| yannick | Svenn800, never tried, let's see... | 13:01 |
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| bergie | yannick: I can look at it once the karma recount finishes... 5561 people have karma now | 13:02 |
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| yannick | bergie, thx | 13:02 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 13:04 |
| Svenn800 | Can you suggest any display protection foils? | 13:04 |
| Svenn800 | What is gizmo | 13:05 |
| _Monkey | gizmo is, like, sip compliant | 13:06 |
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| Svenn800 | But closed source? | 13:07 |
| yannick | yes closed | 13:08 |
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| Stalwart | hi there | 13:40 |
| _Monkey | hello, Stalwart | 13:40 |
| Stalwart | o.O | 13:40 |
| Stalwart | http://aving.net/usa/news/default.asp?mode=read&c_num=64057&C_Code=01&SP_Num=0 <-- here's written that n810 has fm transmitter | 13:41 |
| Stalwart | it's bullshit? | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 13:43 |
| Stalwart | ok | 13:45 |
| Stalwart | can't wait to buy that thing | 13:45 |
| Stalwart | :D | 13:46 |
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| Stalwart | i need to write something as college thesis work | 13:46 |
| Stalwart | i think about good terminal emulator or some game | 13:46 |
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| bergie | yannick: Quim promised to look at the problem | 13:55 |
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| yannick | bergie, thanks | 14:00 |
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| disq | ooh. apple macbook updated, they have santa rosa and x3100 now | 14:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now . . . where are my Mac Pros? :\ | 14:15 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:37 |
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| disq | new gp2x with touchscreen out btw | 15:00 |
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| p| | gp2x ? | 15:01 |
| _Monkey | gp2x is a handheld gaming system. runs linux, very open source and open platform. two 200-250MHz ARM cores (one 920, one 940) | 15:01 |
| p| | wow | 15:03 |
| disq | yeah, a talking monkeybot | 15:04 |
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| disq | ooh i finally got imap in my google apps domain | 15:19 |
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| disq | now gotta install clawsmail | 15:19 |
| bedboi | hi there. | 15:19 |
| disq | hi. | 15:19 |
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| cosmo_ | hm, is there a way to check that app is running on Maemo device in shell script? | 15:28 |
| cosmo_ | easy way (like existance of a file) | 15:29 |
| inz | pidof? | 15:32 |
| inz | pidof -s <binary-name> > /dev/null && echo "Process running" || echo "Process not running" | 15:33 |
| inz | -s is only an optimization and can be omitted | 15:34 |
| cosmo_ | i mean testing (in post-install script) that a package is being installed on device, not on desktop linux | 15:34 |
| inz | Ahh, sorry | 15:34 |
| cosmo_ | actually pidof <maemo only process> might work | 15:34 |
| inz | I misunderstood what you were asking ;) | 15:34 |
| cosmo_ | sorry, it wasn't a clear question ;) | 15:35 |
| inz | You could check something like /etc/osso_software_version | 15:35 |
| inz | Or grep /proc/cpuinfo for something | 15:35 |
| Tak | hmm @ osso_software_version | 15:36 |
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| cosmo_ | those could be good | 15:38 |
| cosmo_ | another q: how to add user to a group? addgroup in maemo does not have -a option | 15:38 |
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| czr | timeless, ah, finally ;-) | 16:07 |
| czr | (the rhapsody web page "bug") | 16:07 |
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| * czr keeps mistyping Internet Tablets as Internet Tables | 16:16 | |
| czr | maybe there is a niche market for those | 16:16 |
| czr | "browse while you drink coffee/beer" | 16:16 |
| czr | "control the browser by spashing coffee over hyperlinks" | 16:16 |
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| Fatal | I thought MS did one of those | 16:17 |
| czr | hmm. Internet Chair then! | 16:18 |
| czr | ok. maybe not. | 16:18 |
| Fatal | considering there are so many asses on the net I personally think that's a bad idea | 16:19 |
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| czr | well. I'm sure people over in japan would love the idea. | 16:20 |
| czr | they seem to go after all kinds of crazy stuff anyway :-) | 16:20 |
| zeenix | czr: in st enterprise, they seem to be using both tablets and tables | 16:28 |
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| czr | zeenix :-) | 16:29 |
| Tak | czr: the target device for Japan would be Internet Toilet | 16:32 |
| czr | Tak, true! | 16:32 |
| czr | maybe I should launch the whole series of Internet Furniture, for Home and Lavatories. | 16:32 |
| Tak | Coming Soon: Internet Bidet | 16:33 |
| czr | hmm. the toilet version could be abbreviated into InToilet(tm) | 16:33 |
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| cosmo_ | hm, i have a app that works in sb with run-standalone.sh, but not by itself.. how can i debug it? | 16:39 |
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| czr | cosmo_, you mean how do you use gdb with it? | 16:40 |
| czr | debugging can be done in many ways, not all of which are related to gdb. | 16:40 |
| inz | cosmo, run-standalone.sh gdb <binaryname> | 16:40 |
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| czr | run-standalone.sh gdb appnae parms | 16:40 |
| czr | yyes | 16:41 |
| * czr needs to fix his fingers. | 16:41 | |
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| cosmo_ | inz: thanks, that's what i was looking for | 16:51 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 17:09 |
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| b0unc3 | I've created a .service file for my app... now it starts from the menu... but after some seconds it's quit... someone know why ? | 17:09 |
| inz | b0unc3, you've defined X-Osso-Service in your .desktop file, but your program doesn't register that name in dbus | 17:10 |
| inz | b0unc3, dbus-daemon kills processes it starts, if they don't register the name they were started for | 17:14 |
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| b0unc3 | inz: you are right, now it work fine... thank you | 17:22 |
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| * lardman wonders if the karma rating includes numbers of lines of irc chat | 17:24 | |
| * lardman also wonders whether the number of emails, etc., are rated for content | 17:25 | |
| Tak | obviously not @ irc; mine would be higher :-P | 17:25 |
| lardman | :) | 17:25 |
| lardman | Just an idle thought | 17:25 |
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| inz | I wonder how can I lower my karma | 17:25 |
| Tak | also pupnik's | 17:25 |
| lardman | Does anyone know if the content is filtered/rated? I wonder how this can be achieved? | 17:25 |
| Tak | inz: grind up babies, and feed the result to other babies | 17:25 |
| inz | Do I need to post total rubbinsh onto my blog which will be "thumbed down" | 17:25 |
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| lardman | depends how they weight complete rubbish | 17:26 |
| lardman | vs total rubbish :) | 17:27 |
| czr | inz, you don't have to. it was so low that it just went around methinks :-) | 17:29 |
| * czr thinks of replying to all ml-messages with "yes, I completely agree" or "no, that's poppycock". just randomly selecting which to use for each message. or hmm. maybe should be based on the clock somehow | 17:30 | |
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| inz | czr, so my karma would be something like UINT_MAX-34 | 17:30 |
| inz | czr, sounds about right | 17:31 |
| * czr nods | 17:31 | |
| lardman | Probably NaN | 17:32 |
| czr | or NaaN | 17:32 |
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| czr | hmm. now I know why naan looks so funny | 17:32 |
| lardman | as in -bread? | 17:33 |
| lardman | If the irc logs are ever used for karma, _Monkey will be up there :) | 17:34 |
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| czr | lardman, yes. | 17:40 |
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| mmiller | So anyone install Python 2.5 on there N800 yet? | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | mmiller: Sure.. | 18:11 |
| timeless | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:11 |
| lardman | I think I did so too | 18:11 |
| timeless | sure seems like it's been done an awful lot | 18:11 |
| timeless | google: maemo python 2.5 | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | Kagu uses it? :) | 18:11 |
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| mmiller | X-Fade: So what's the trick to finding all of the dependencies? | 18:14 |
| Tak | has somebody feature-requested that an install file be able to add >1 repo? | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | mmiller: There is none? It is installable via the app manager? | 18:14 |
| timeless | tak: i'm sure... | 18:15 |
| Tak | mmiller: add the "http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free" repo | 18:15 |
| mmiller | App Manager tells me I need libgdbm3 libncurses5 and libreadline4 | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | Tak can read minds ;) | 18:16 |
| disq | Tak: chinook app manager can do that. | 18:17 |
| luck^ | mmiller, use both install files available at http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html | 18:18 |
| Tak | disq: nice | 18:19 |
| mmiller | bora free non-free are all in the distribution or is bora only in the distribution and free non-free go in the components? | 18:19 |
| Tak | latter | 18:19 |
| _Monkey | i guess latter is /var/log/syslog iirc | 18:19 |
| mmiller | Thanks for your help BTW. | 18:19 |
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| timeless | _monkey forget latter | 18:20 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot latter | 18:20 |
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| timeless | _monkey latter is <reply> | 18:20 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 18:20 |
| zoran | clear | 18:21 |
| lardman | timeless: what does that tell him to do about latter? | 18:21 |
| lardman | latter | 18:22 |
| zoran | _monkey list <reply> | 18:22 |
| _Monkey | zoran: sorry... | 18:22 |
| timeless | _monkey literal latter | 18:23 |
| _Monkey | timeless: latter =is= <reply> | 18:23 |
| timeless | it tells him tha the response to latter is nothing | 18:23 |
| timeless | but nothing is something, so it can't learn something else for that word | 18:23 |
| lardman | too late in the day for me | 18:24 |
| lardman | :) | 18:24 |
| zoran | _monkey literal <> | 18:24 |
| _Monkey | zoran: i'm not following you... | 18:24 |
| mmiller | I figured it out. | 18:25 |
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| mmiller | Thanks for your help X-Fade, Tak and luck^. | 18:25 |
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| zoran | what software is used for \_<upper>M&onkey? | 18:28 |
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| timeless | _monkey infobot? | 18:31 |
| _Monkey | infobot is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot | 18:31 |
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| zoran | k, gonna surf :) | 18:31 |
| timeless | /ctcp _monkey version | 18:31 |
| timeless | *** CTCP VERSION reply from _Monkey: infobot 0.45.3 [Wurm] | 18:31 |
| timeless | infobots can be helpful | 18:31 |
| timeless | _monkey is just annoying | 18:32 |
| Tak | hmm, is garage undergoing scheduled maintenance? | 18:32 |
| Tak | or did somebody really let the disk fill up? | 18:32 |
| timeless | An error occured in the logger. ERROR: could not extend relation "activity_log": No space left on device HINT: Check free disk space. | 18:32 |
| * Tak grins | 18:32 | |
| Tak | I bet the karma system killed it | 18:33 |
| zoran | source has moved to infobot.org | 18:33 |
| timeless | timeless@maemo-gforge:~$ df -h . | 18:34 |
| timeless | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 18:34 |
| timeless | - 15G 14G 0 100% / | 18:34 |
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| onion | everything on / ? | 18:35 |
| timeless | www is 2.6 gb | 18:36 |
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| timeless | ok, reported to ferenc | 18:38 |
| timeless | it was supposed to have at least /some/ space | 18:38 |
| timeless | scheduled maintenance was next week | 18:38 |
| timeless | too bad for ferenc, his evening is shot | 18:38 |
| Tak | aww | 18:38 |
| Tak | I wouldn't have said anything | 18:38 |
| timeless | better you here now than most other possibilities | 18:39 |
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| timeless | anyway, he's on the box now, i'm leaving it alone :) | 18:41 |
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| * timeless rotfl | 18:44 | |
| timeless | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/31/google-docs-need-optimization-for-nokia-mozilla-browser | 18:44 |
| timeless | <link:... - # | 18:44 |
| timeless | # Flame Author> | 18:44 |
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| X-Fade | Garage is back again.. | 18:46 |
| timeless | - 15G 14G 163M 99% / | 18:47 |
| timeless | yeah, that'll really last :) | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Nah ;) | 18:47 |
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| skibur | hello | 18:51 |
| _Monkey | hola, skibur | 18:51 |
| skibur | I will receiving my N800 tomorrow | 18:52 |
| skibur | can't wait to be part of this group | 18:52 |
| timeless | help | 18:53 |
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| timeless | can someone point me to an official nokia page that explains 4.2007.38-2 | 18:53 |
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| timeless | http://europe.nokia.com/A4307030 i guess? | 18:55 |
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| timeless | personally, i'd blame all the new garage project submissions :) | 19:02 |
| zoran | maybe you could make another partition called /dev/nulla and store all those projects there to be safe? | 19:05 |
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| spine | IRCOP HACK JOIN HERE http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139625893 | 19:08 |
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| zoran | like Houdini | 19:20 |
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| quux | Is it possible to pair a bluetooth headset with the Nokia 770? | 19:27 |
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| skibur | so its just a matter of cross compiling using scratchbox to use CL apps on my N800? | 19:30 |
| Tak | and installing osso-xterm ;-) | 19:31 |
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| sven-tek | Hi! Is there a good podcast-software for n800? | 19:34 |
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| skibur | I will use my N800 for about a good 6 months before I start developing for it | 19:35 |
| skibur | I'm still with Nintendo DS + Linux (DSLinux) project. | 19:35 |
| skibur | is this server chat.freenode.net ? | 19:38 |
| Tak | I always use irc.freenode.net , but I think chat will work as well | 19:39 |
| skibur | so its the same | 19:39 |
| skibur | ok | 19:39 |
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| quux | yes. chat.freenode.net == irc.freenode.net | 19:40 |
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| skibur | osso-xterm good? | 19:41 |
| skibur | I'm a command line person | 19:42 |
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| red-zack | skibur: yes | 19:47 |
| skibur | great, I will get it soon as I get my N800 which is tomorrow | 19:47 |
| Tak | heh - you won't get far on the commandline without osso-xterm | 19:48 |
| skibur | :) | 19:49 |
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| pupnik | i'm still somewhat surprised | 20:01 |
| pupnik | that in the past 6 months I can count on one hand the number of productive developers who have shown up here | 20:01 |
| timeless | eh? | 20:02 |
| pupnik | ok maybe two | 20:02 |
| pupnik | people who just joined up | 20:02 |
| * timeless wonders what kind of people pupnik is counting | 20:03 | |
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| rubiks | ok | 20:06 |
| rubiks | I'm skibur | 20:06 |
| rubiks | I'm at work | 20:06 |
| rubiks | :P | 20:06 |
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| unique311 | turned off my n800 oct29....will not turn back on until chinook update...que sera, sera.... | 20:23 |
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| Tak | hmm, what bluetooth service to I need to enable on a winbox to be able to use the device's FileManager->Send via Bluetooth ? | 20:26 |
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| Tak | aha, finally | 20:35 |
| * Tak enable everything, disable required security on everything | 20:35 | |
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| Tak | http://www.flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1815291672/ | 20:39 |
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| keesj | Tak: nice | 21:08 |
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| sciboy | Kinda wish there was a video encoder on maemo itself, since I would rather wait a long while than have to go through the whole deal of doing it through my computer. | 21:09 |
| Tak | you could probably build mencoder | 21:10 |
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| Tak | keesj: it's almost usable ;-) | 21:12 |
| keesj | and its even more that just graphics! | 21:12 |
| Tak | ? | 21:14 |
| keesj | I just liked the graphics :p | 21:15 |
| Tak | ah | 21:15 |
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| keesj | I did not know it was a working prototype using ruby? | 21:15 |
| Tak | the background, or the buttons? ;-) | 21:15 |
| Tak | yes | 21:15 |
| vivijim | Tak: what is this? | 21:17 |
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| Tak | vivijim: it's an onscreen kb for SDL, using Rubygame | 21:17 |
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| vivijim | uhm it is interesting... and nice | 21:18 |
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| sciboy | Jaffa, Mind helping me a bit with getting mediaserv going? | 21:41 |
| sciboy | Jaffa, I'm getting "Not Found" when I visit the server. | 21:42 |
| sciboy | Jaffa, Never mind, forgot to uncomment it. | 21:44 |
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| |R | zerojay : were you able to make kopete work with n800's video chat? | 22:39 |
| |R | (n800 -> linux-PC) | 22:39 |
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| lauti | hi folks | 23:00 |
| lauti | going to use Eclipse 3.3 with CDT 4.1 for cross-compilation | 23:01 |
| lauti | any hints? | 23:01 |
| lauti | any experiences? | 23:02 |
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| lauti | I am wondering how can manage to let Eclipse builder compiling within the scratchbox environment... | 23:02 |
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| lauti | created a hello world project in Eclipse, project files located within my home folder within scratchbox | 23:12 |
| lauti | added gtk libs of scratchbox to the linker settings | 23:13 |
| lauti | same for include pathes | 23:13 |
| lauti | everything is pointing to the scratchbox variants of gtk, both include paths and libx | 23:13 |
| lauti | libs | 23:13 |
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| lauti | it compiles but when it comes to lining it fails | 23:13 |
| lauti | I can call the eclipse generated make file from within scratchbox, too | 23:14 |
| lauti | this works fine | 23:14 |
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| lauti | so actually I am at least able to edit the project and then compile within Eclipse just for code syntax check | 23:15 |
| lauti | to get a binary i then need to build it again from within scratchbox | 23:15 |
| lauti | it's ok, but not perfect | 23:15 |
| lauti | any hints to get it done better? | 23:16 |
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| zerojay | |R: I've never tried, to be honest. | 23:57 |
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