IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-10-31

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keesjskibur_: checkout
X-Fade_there is a
X-Fade_oops ;)00:04
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flip^timeless: you about?00:51
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flip^I'm curious as to whether the OS2008 thumb keyboard has changed its layout at all, or if it (or the 2007 version) is customisable at all? it's quite a nuisance typing urls and having to switch to basic symbol display to get a / character ;)00:52
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Atariiand the weird placing of the enter and delete keys00:52
pupnik_hehe found out to enable .htaccess i have to pay 5x as much for the site :/00:54
flip^pupnik_: just go with the php script or host it somewhere else then ;)00:54
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db48xsp3000: got a minute? I need to stop mirob from having it's stdout redirected to /dev/null, and I'm told you might know how to do that.01:01
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sciboyGood, got disconnected for a bit there.01:09
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skibur_anybody on n800 right now?01:15
db48xI am01:16
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szucsatime too01:17
szucsatiplaying with maemo mapper01:17
pupnik_Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?01:18
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sciboyI am, just reading, listening to music etc.01:19
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sciboyNo, because it's sitll 50/5001:20
db48xpupnik_: yes, but more importantly, why do you ask?01:20
pupnik_  was just quiet in #maemo01:20
szucsatihas any1 tried any non official car mount for n800?ű01:20
sp3000db48x: hmm01:22
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sp3000pupnik_: what if you prefer goats?01:30
skibur_is N800 a good buy?01:31
rafli wouldn't know why not.01:33
astro76it's an absolute steal with the price reduction01:34
astro76that's about right01:36
astro76I paid $230, amazon now has it for $23601:36
skibur_I'm seeing it right now01:37
skibur_when did you buy it?01:37
astro76about a week ago01:37
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skibur_are you pleased?01:37
skibur_or would you buy a N810?01:37
astro76no, no way I can justify an n810, the price on the n800 is so cheap01:38
astro76just add $50 gps module and you're set01:38
* cesman agrees01:38
skibur_but the keyboard01:38
_Monkeyrumour has it the keyboard is important to have01:38
raflskibur_: i'd rather use an external bluetooth keyboard. those tend to be way more usable than the small keyboard the n810 has.01:39
cesmanskibur_: would you pay $200+ for a keyboard?01:39
astro76skibur_, the finger touch keyboard is essentially the same thing01:39
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skibur_hum... A Keyboard+GPS+400MHZ01:40
skibur_for $20001:40
raflskibur_: afaik the n800 will run at 400 mhz as well if you use os2008.01:40
skibur_got a point01:40
astro76rafl, really? interesting01:40
raflskibur_: it seems to be underclocked at something like 300 mhz righ tnow.01:40
Jaffapupnik_: you switch. Wikipedia explains it, anyone who says it's still 50/50 is wrong. Anyone who says it's 50/50 after having it explained to them is not grasping it.01:41
astro76skibur_, and yes I'm absolutely thrilled with it ;)01:41
sp3000db48x: maemo-summoner /usr/bin/browser.launch, apparently01:41
skibur_I'm on amazon right now01:41
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cesmannot that I use it all that often, bu tthe position and flexibility of the camera on the N800 is better than the N81001:41
skibur_its waiting for me to press the button01:41
cesmanI personally don't see an overwhelming need to get a N810 while I already have a N80001:42
raflwell.. I think the camera is kinda unusable anyway, so its position wouldn't matter much to me.01:42
* cesman plots to break his N800 and get a N810 as a replacement ;)01:42
skibur_I have a feeling that if I buy it, I will leave dslinux (nintendo DS with linux)01:42
skibur_maybe start developing for N80001:42
Atariiooo i use dslinux :p01:44
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db48xsp3000: hrm, that crashes01:47
sp3000db48x: with or without maemo-summoner, in what env?01:50
sp3000I just get all the glib criticals we all know and love so I know it's working :P01:50
db48xoh, but I already had a copy of the browser running01:51
db48xwhich I already know causes it to crash01:51
db48xhrm, this still isn't working01:52
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db48xsp3000: the browser still doesn't print to the console when I use the javascript dump() function01:54
db48xstdout is no longer redirected though, which is nice01:55
sp3000I seem to be connectiong to javascript:dump('hi')01:57
db48xyea, I noticed that :)01:58
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db48xI'm using an html file01:58
db48xyou can test with data:text/html,<script>dump('hi')</script>02:00
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db48xalso, by default in an opt build of gecko, dump is a noop02:00
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db48xyou'll have to go to about:config and turn on a pref02:00
sp3000I think this old build has a broken about:config so I vi'd02:01
db48xbrowser.dom.window.dump.enabled should be true02:01
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sp3000dunno why that wouldn't02:08
sp3000oh, well, this was convenient, I would probably have been confused about that tomorrow as it happens ;)02:13
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sp3000let me know if you find out why it doesn't work02:15
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szucsatimv szucsati /dev/bed03:00
szucsaticat goodnight03:00
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jjessesorry off topic, but can the n770 and the n800 use the same charger?  left mine at  home03:01
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zerojayAnyone here got hosting through Dreamhost or can suggest a hosting company that does Jabber?03:54
doublecsomething like linode would let you run whatever you wanted03:55
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GeneralAntillesmaybe slicehost, too?03:55
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zerojaySlice is backed up for a while.03:58
zerojay3month plan, 11 week wait.03:58
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zerojaylinode looks good.04:00
doubleci use linode, their service is great04:01
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doubleci also use a dedicated hosting box and run vmware server on it for other things. More expensive but useful for running different OS's etc.04:03
c0mpacti'm having a bit of a problem with the certificate manager on the n800, dont know if anyone could help me. Whenever I try to import a user certificate, even though it knows that I have to enter a password for it, it shows up in the authority section.. causing me to not be able to choose it when setting up a EAP network.04:04
c0mpactanyone have any thoughts?04:04
zerojayIs EAP even supported on the tablets?04:04
c0mpactyup, the support seems to be there04:05
c0mpactTLS, TTLS04:05
zerojaydoublec: I'm looking into running a tablet focused site offering services for tablet owners.04:05
zerojaydoublec: Jabber, e-mail, maybe some other stuff.04:05
doublecgood idea04:05
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zerojayTexrat has offered to help as well.04:06
zerojayI know a lot of people don't know crap about Jabber and how to use multiple gateways and stuff. I want to set it up so they don't have to hunt for external jabber servers with the right gateways. I'll have it.04:06
zerojayWith tutorials and shit.04:06
GeneralAntilleswiki tutorials, hopefully. :)04:07
zerojayI think I'll make my site's motto "killing Pidgin installs, one tablet at a time".04:07
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Yeah, wiki's a good idea.04:07
GeneralAntillesWe've already got the tablet school.04:08
GeneralAntillesWhich is great, but only one author.04:08
db48xI use dreamhost04:08
zerojaydb48x: Any idea how many Jabber users you can create?04:08
db48xI think I've created about a dozen04:09
zerojayAny set limit?04:09
db48xI don't recall there being a limit, actually04:09
db48xlemme check04:09
db48xno, it doesn't appear that there is a limit04:09
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zerojaydb48x: What gateways are available?04:11
zerojaydb48x: And is Jabber stable?04:11
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db48xhmm, the jabber server went down for an hour or two at one point04:12
db48xsome months ago04:12
zerojaydb48x: AIM, MSN, Yahoo, any others?04:12
db48xlet me check their wiki04:13
zerojayI did, but didn't get any solid answers.04:13
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zerojayActually, if you have a Jabber client open, you can use discovery.. or just give me a temp account you can delete right after.04:13
db48xthe wiki says that they provide gateways for AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo!04:15
zerojayLink me?04:15
db48xI don't think this client bothers with discovery, since it talks to all of those natively04:16
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|Ranybody knows why flasher-* is proprietary?04:42
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NeoStridermaybe 'cos the hardware design is somewhat closed?04:47
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c0mpacthow would os 2006 programs run on os 2007?04:56
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||cw2c0mpact: from what I understand, unless they are python or some scripts they won't.  different arch05:06
||cw2arm vs armel targets or something05:06
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unique311check out my self portrait.....
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db48xdoes anyone here know the status of scratchbox2?05:25
db48xI tried it once, but it clearly wasn't ready for real use05:25
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c0mpact||cw2: Is OS2006 armel?05:42
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c0mpacti hope os2008 fixes all these wireless problems06:06
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VanyaHi people!06:21
VanyaD'you know anything about maemo dc++ clients, are there any?06:22
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ClarusWorksI'm trying to install the November 2006 OS update on my Nokia 770 and am having a bit of trouble.07:49
ClarusWorksI hold down the home key, hold down power, let go of power as soon as the screen with the Nokia logo comes up, let go of home as soon as a USB icon comes up, but the USB icon then goes away and the tablet just boots normally07:50
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|Rare there really a comunity of 500 developers for the n810 reward program?07:57
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fysakkhas anyone created an alternative vkb that is the mini vkb but slightly larger?08:00
disqthe device program is not a "reward" program, also it's not only for developers08:00
fysakki'd like to enlarge and use more like a thumb keyboard--but able to see the app.08:01
fysakkfound tools to convert to xml, just curious if i'm wasting time08:02
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* |R thinks the n800's timezone isn't fixed for north america08:08
Rask330ooh?  I'd better check..08:11
|Ror maybe i'm crazy but it says i'm one hour earlier than it should08:11
|Rsince it should have been last sunday... and now it's the next08:11
Rask330It's correct on mine.08:11
|Rif i run rdate it goes back 1 hour in the past...08:12
|Ron my gateway it doesn't do that, it's correct08:12
|Rso i don't think i can blame the ntp08:12
Rask330Stupid government. :/08:15
Rask330Honestly, why can't we just do away with DST in full?08:15
|Ri know, it's completely stupid08:15
|Rsaskatchewan did08:16
|Rwe should all do the same :P08:16
Rask330So did Arizona, Hawaii, and half of Indiana...08:16
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* |R still hoping to see maximCT hop back online and tell me how he made rtcomm use the ssh tunnel without binding to the other IP...08:23
Rask330Oh, I got my Stowaway BT keyboard today. :D  It's pretty sweet.08:27
|Rthe small one?08:28
Rask330Mhm. :)08:28
|Ror the 4 3 fold one?08:28
Rask330Small one.08:28
infobot|R meant: or the  3 fold one?08:28
|Rhehe yeah, i like it :)08:28
Rask330If you change the keyboard driver on the N800 to "standard 104-key keyboard", the buttons work a lot better, I found...08:28
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|RRask330 : like what? i should try ;)08:29
Rask330Well, for one thing, home/end work fine. :D08:29
Rask330Also, the apostrophe button was behaving like an accute accent deadkey... but it's fine now.08:30
|Rgeneric 105-key PC it is then!08:30
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|Rdo you know if it is possible to do Fx keys with it? i heard ctrl-left_Fn-number could on some forum...08:30
|RRask330 : ah! good for the apostrophe... though i'd like to get accents too08:31
* |R gets his keyboard out08:31
Rask330I don't need accents... I'm a xenophobic american who speaks english to the exclusion of everything else.  >:D08:31
|RI'm from european decent, not my fault :P08:32
|RThat and Montreal is bilingual :)08:32
Rask330I suspect ctrl-fn-number isn't going to do it... ctrl-fn-1 is likely to just be ctrl-1.08:33
Rask330There is that mystery "cmd" key though.08:33
Rask330What was that app that you mentioned that traps keystrokes?08:33
|Rok, wtf, i had to reboot to change a language setting and now my change in mce.ini for the n800-pidgin-LED plugin are making my led blink every second08:34
|Rxev ?08:35
_Monkeyxev is supposed to show all the X events08:35
* Rask330 tries.08:36
|Rsounds good ;)08:36
|Rin xmodmap package08:36
Rask330The thing is, |R, what would you use the function keys for? o.o08:37
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|RRask330 : i don't know, just to have a complete keyboard, some keys in the control panel seems to be binded by default to Fn keys... which is a bit intriguing :)08:39
Rask330What keys are those?08:40
|Rin control panel -> hardware keyboard -> shortcuts08:40
Rask330Also, this is freakin' sweet... the alt key even inserts an escape in xterm. :D08:41
|Ruhm? :)08:42
Rask330Well, I mean, alt-1 translates as esc 1.  X308:42
Rask330For irssi and such.08:42
|Rcool :)08:42
|Rbetter xterm, yeah! ;)08:42
Rask330Well, way better than what I was using previously.  XD08:43
Rask330I was using pssh on my palm TX.08:43
Rask330Home/End/PgUp/PgDn did -nothing-...08:43
Rask330Esc did nothing either.08:44
Rask330Nor did control.08:44
|Rmy friend just received his n800, i'll see with him if we can make a keyboard hack for accents ;)08:44
Rask330I had to poke on-screen buttons for those.08:44
|Ryeah, pain in the ...08:44
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|Ri guess i could always replace all Fn shortcut by ctrl-alt-n08:49
Rask330I found it. :)08:51
|R? :)08:51
|Ri screwed up my connection to the kbd08:51
Rask330It seems like there's some correspondence between the function keys and Blue Fn + the ASDF row of keys.08:52
Rask330BlueFn + A = F1, BlueFn + S = F2, BlueFn + D = F3, etc.08:53
|Rah cool08:53
|Ruhm, wtf is English (Eire) in keyboard layout?08:53
|Rnever seen that befor :)08:54
Rask330...Wow, all 12 function keys are represented.08:54
Rask330All the way up to BlueFn + Enter = F12.08:54
|Rit didnt work without the 105 key mode08:54
|Rso just that row ?08:54
|Rignoring the blue text on keys then...?08:54
|Rg = f5 ?08:54
Rask330Yup. :]08:55
Rask330The people who designed the firmware on this keyboard were no slackers.08:55
|Ryep, f6 maximises, hooray08:55
Rask330Yeah. :)08:56
Rask330I'm going to have to redefine these so there's some rhyme or reason to them, though...08:57
|Ruhm, french canadien layout is useles on this though08:58
|Ri guess i'll bind cmd to an accent row or something ;)08:58
Rask330Hm, the N800 doesn't seem too willing to let me redefine the function keys...08:59
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|Ryeah, it worked in one of them and freezed in the other09:00
|Rweird... :|09:00
|Rahhh finally, F9, task switcher09:01
|Ri was dying for that :P09:01
* |R needs his "alt-tab"09:01
* |R actually doesn't want a mouse :P09:03
GeneralAntillesAlt-tab would be fantastic.09:05
|RFn-l (F9) does it :)09:05
|Rctrl-Fn doesn't work though09:06
Rask330Arg, this is silly. XD09:07
Rask330The single function keys are stuck where they are, pretty much.09:07
Rask330You can redefine them, but you can't use the function key to which they were previously assigned for anything else.09:08
Rask330I suppose I'd better just get to memorizing the default assignments.09:08
|Rthey stoped working09:09
|Rexcept f4 -> menu09:10
|Rbut f3 doesn't give the apps menu anymore and f9 the alt-tab ..09:10
Rask330Odd.  Did you press fn with any of the keys in the bottom row?09:10
|R(ok yes ;P)09:10
Rask330Yeah.  XD09:10
|Rwhat does that do?09:10
Rask330Push BlueFn+X.09:10
Rask330And try now.09:10
|Ractually, it's C09:11
|Rit seems to break things ;)09:11
Rask330I think they both do.09:11
Rask330They're numlock and scrolllock.09:11
|Roh haha09:11
Rask330And maemo seems to view them as key modifiers...09:11
|Rwhat's wrong with ctrl-s and ctrl-q :P09:11
|Rok :)09:12
JaffaMorning, all09:12
|Rmorning! (uhm 3:10, i should be out of here ...)09:12
Rask330Me too really >.>;09:12
|Rwell, good night all :)09:14
|RTomorrow, maybe the night will tell me how to bind rtcomm to tun0's IP! ;)09:14
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stone1unique311: I am the dev for tunapie. Could you email me to sort out porting it to maemo? jamesmstone at gmail dot com10:23
unique311stone1, i was working on it...but i never followed thru.10:24
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unique311looks like somebody else is working on a port. and has lots done...
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x2is there any good media streamer?10:33
x2video :/10:33
x2to stream video10:33
GeneralAntillesComputer . . .10:33
GeneralAntillesYou want to stream media from your computer to your 770, right?10:34
x2ive got it all set10:34
x2just need a decent player for the 77010:34
GeneralAntillesWhat are you streaming with?10:34
x2I thought mplayer could do it..10:34
x2windows media encoder10:34
x2at 800x48010:34
GeneralAntilles400x240 max10:35
GeneralAntillesWith a 770, probably close to 400-600Kbps10:35
GeneralAntillesand wmv wont cut it10:35
GeneralAntillesYou need MPEG410:35
x2what do you recommend?10:35
GeneralAntillesORB or TVersity will transcode10:36
x2live tv?10:36
GeneralAntillesDon't know10:36
GeneralAntillesNever used them.10:36
GeneralAntillesDon't use Windows.10:36
x2lol :(10:36
GeneralAntillesBut, whatever you use, it has to be MPEG-4 at around 400-700kbps total bitrate with a resolution no greater than 400x24010:38
x2i plan to do around 400 kbs10:38
L0cutusGeneralAntilles: this is valid also for n800 ?10:40
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GeneralAntillesN800 is MPEG4 at 1000-1500Kbps total bitrate with no more than 400x240 resolution.10:41
GeneralAntillesMP3 audio recommended for DSP usage.10:41
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librahello everyone£¡10:42
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librawho has the x11vnc deb package for nokia n800?10:43
x2what can I use to steam video on the 770 though?10:44
libra this link can not be opened .10:44
librawho can open this website link
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_Monkeyhey, daef10:48
daef_Monkey loves infobot, does he?10:48
_Monkeywish i knew, daef10:48
daefinfobot loves _Monkey, does he?10:48
daefi have a prob with an undocumented dbus-call10:50
L0cutuslibra: i can open it10:50
daefi read about the dbus-send ......play_media string:file:///../file.wav10:50
GeneralAntillesIt depends on what you're sending, x2.10:51
GeneralAntillesSome streaming solutions have an http interface10:51
GeneralAntillessome work over UPnP10:51
GeneralAntillesIn which case Media Player should handle it if you're on OS200710:51
x2if I use wmv10:51
x2hacker 0710:51
GeneralAntilleswmv doesn't work.10:51
daefbut it cuts a quater to a half second of the file on the end - which is annoying when the file should be a 'click' and sounds totally chopped10:52
x2not at all?10:52
daefi do only need to play .wav files with a delay as small as possible...10:52
GeneralAntillesand I'm going to guess that that microsoft solution is probably something proprietary.10:52
daef...gst-launch is far too slow10:52
GeneralAntillesNo, WMV will not work.10:52
GeneralAntillesYou need MPEG4 at the resolution and bitrate I specified before.10:53
x2wme x6410:53
x2I understand10:53
x2I have to go find an encoder now10:53
x2or transcoder10:53
GeneralAntillesORB or TVersity10:53
daefGeneralAntilles: x2: am i interrupting a discussion about the *sarkasm_on* lovely *sarkasm_off* wmv-format?10:53
x2tversity im getting now10:53
x2more or less10:53
x2i have wmv, I use xvid mainly10:53
GeneralAntillesHe's trying to stream media to his 770.10:54
x2but I need a quick encode from live tv10:54
GeneralAntillesSo, no, it's not a discussion of the format.10:54
GeneralAntillesJust streaming solutions.10:54
x2and in the process getting bashed secretly for using windows :x10:54
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daefonce i've streamed the camera-source from the n800 over wlan to my pc - to view it with vlc - was a handy spycam!!10:54
GeneralAntillesYou could probably hack something together with VLC for live tv transcoding.10:54
daefGeneralAntilles: my words10:55
x2does vlc support tuner cards now?10:55
GeneralAntillesI know CyTV will do it on Mac.10:55
daefvlc is very flexible in terms of streaming10:55
GeneralAntillesDunno what will feed VLC the live tv data on Windows.10:55
GeneralAntillesIf only it had a decent on-demand front-end.10:55
daefwrite a little direct-show plugin10:55
daefwich streams the vid to vlc10:56
daefwich streams the vid to the n80010:56
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* x2 installs linux10:56
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x2i wish I didnt overclock or game..10:57
daefvlc can read from a stream - convert it - buffer it (optional) - and open a streaming server of another kind than the one it is reading from10:57
daefx2: m$ win is kindo' - like a kernelmodule - but for games!!10:57
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x2q6600 @ 3.6 <310:57
x2its like..10:58
x2why use linux when I have plenty hardware10:58
x2unless its a server, then of course linux10:58
daefx2: because you are a masochist?10:58
daeflike me10:58
x2Pc Info:: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 [Speed:: 3.60 GHz | 1.46 v | 400 * 9 | 8MB (2% Load)] [Memory::Used: 1840/4094MB @ ddr2 1000 | 4-4-4-8 2.2v] [HD1:: 34 C HD2:: 36 C Core 0:: 35 C Core 1:: 35 C Core 2:: 32 C Core 3:: 32 C]10:58
daefx2: whatever....10:59
_Monkeywhatever is fun for you.  More power to ya10:59
_Monkeyit has been said that i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now10:59
_Monkeyrumour has it daef is from upper austria10:59
daefinfobot: all hail to the mighty x210:59
x2im nub11:00
daefso is anyone here who knows how to play complete(!) .wav files from a sh-script on the n800 ??11:01
daefgst-launch's gap at the beginning is to big11:01
melmothdaef: i had a script that used to do that11:01
melmothlet me see if i still have it11:02
daefdbus-send > osso_media_server cuts a bit of the end from a wav away11:02
db48xjust use mplayer11:02
daefi tried to compile alsa-utils (to obtain aplay from it) but i get 'configure: error: Sufficiently new version of libasound not found.'11:02
melmothdaef: i have it,i use pygame :)11:02
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daefbut libasound2-dev11:02
melmothdaef: email ?11:02
daefis installed11:02
daefty melmoth11:03
libraL0cutus online?11:03
libracan you download this file for me?11:03
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L0cutus The package here x11vnc_0.8-3_armel.deb11:04
_Monkeyhmmm... DOWNLOAD is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs.11:04
L0cutusthis one ?11:04
melmothdaef: you shall receieve it shortly. I havent playes with it for ages11:04
L0cutuslibra: yes no problem11:04
libramy email address is bupt_011022@163.com11:04
L0cutusabout 500kb11:04
daefmelmoth: what does it use to play snds?11:05
libraL0cutus  thanks!11:05
melmothgstreamer was another option, but i wanted something that play stuff in loop without a break.11:05
daeflet me google pygame - dunno what that is :/11:05
melmothso pygame was much more easy11:06
libraL0cutus  i have been found this package for long time. thank you very much!11:06
melmothit s a python module (sdl stuff i think)11:06
L0cutuslibra: sent :)11:06
libraL0cutus I come from China.are you?11:07
daefmelmoth: my mailsrv pop's the mails all 10mins - that can be horrible long ;)11:07
L0cutusnono, i'm from Italy :)11:07
melmothdaef: gstream should be another option, but the main problem i had was the sink on scratchox are not the same as the one i have on the tablet11:08
melmothso i had to try out everything on the tabler, wich i dislike.11:08
daefgst-launch is too slow11:09
libraL0cutus i'm not access that website. because our goverment has some limits.11:09
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daefit needs 1-2 secs from invoking until the speaker does sth.11:09
KHi all ...11:09
L0cutuslibra: yes i know...11:09
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melmothhmmm, i m not sure you will find pygame more efficient in that respect11:09
libraL0cutus: can i make friends with you?11:09
Khertani'm trying to play with the bluetooth module in python but i always get the same problem11:10
L0cutuslibra: unfortunately i do not write/speak english well :(11:10
JaffaGeneralAntilles: AFAICT, there's no reason 770-encode (and thus mediaserv) couldn't do DVB streaming with a small amount of fiddlign11:10
L0cutuslibra: but if you need somethig, i'm here11:11
libraL0cutus : me too,i'm good at reading english paper.11:11
L0cutusthe english i know come only from some english tech docs. :)11:11
daefmelmoth: i think i won't use pygame - that makes me depend from python and pygame - 2 more dependencies - there are already so many!!11:12
libraL0cutus : but listening and spoking is not good11:12
daefL0cutus: do you know the german meaning of lokus?11:12
libraL0cutus: no11:12
L0cutusdaef: no11:12
L0cutusmy nick comes from Star Trek :)11:13
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daefcomes from locus necessitatis - the place of the nature's call - short: toilet11:13
Khertanwhen i try to connect to my phone with a bluetoothSocket(RFCOMM) on channel 9 (OBEX) i always get  a device or ressource busy11:13
* db48x resists11:13
GeneralAntillesJaffa, I might play around with CyTV and try setting up a link on the mediaserv page that'll send an AppleScript call for it to start.11:13
L0cutusdaef: lol :D11:14
Khertansomeone have succesfully pushed file with python from an n800 ?11:14
daefso does anyone know why dbus-send > osso_media_player.... cut a bit from the end of the wav?11:15
JaffaGeneralAntilles: ah, excellent. 770-encode can do it already.11:15
JaffaGeneralAntilles: so, in fact, it's trivial to add to mediaserv.11:15
libraL0cutus : can you send me another copy to this mail address bupt.011022@gmail.com11:15
TPCI use this for encoding for the n800:
TPCquality is great, and it plays great on the N80011:16
TPChaven't tried it on a 770, but it might work there too11:16
libraL0cutus :do you make some application in N800 or N770?11:17
L0cutuslibra: not for now, i'm really a noob on n80011:17
JaffaTPC: I like my optimised cropping in
L0cutus(just purchased)11:17
libraL0cutus : how much is the n800 in Itlay?11:18
libraL0cutus : the n800 is not saled in China.11:19
L0cutusi've buy from at 257€11:19
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L0cutusnot very cheap...11:19
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libraL0cutus: it is not cheap11:22
L0cutusi know, i've see it on for 239$11:22
L0cutusbut is impossible for extra-US to buy there11:22
libraL0cutus: I get it from nokia research center of China.11:24
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L0cutushow much ?11:25
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libraL0cutus: we have the project with them. they give me ,no money11:27
L0cutusarrgh :)11:27
librai am a postgraduate of state key lab of networking and switching11:29
librado you any IM ? such as msn?11:31
TPCJaffa, optmised cropping?11:31
TPCI use mencoders dsize filter11:31
L0cutusi'm an 'old' man (42 years), i'm a watchmaker :)11:32
TPCJaffa, which checks to see which side is the longest, and crops accordingly11:32
TPCworks great11:32
L0cutuslibra: no, i do not use IM, only irc11:32
TPCJaffa, or wait, I'm being confused here11:32
TPCit scales, not crops11:32
TPCwhy would you crop?11:32
AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:32
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libraL0cutus : can i make friends with you?age is not a problem.11:33
daefyou mean it scales so that max_X or max_Y are reached - whatever reaches first - aspect ratio is kept11:33
daefso if a vid is flatter than 15:9 (or whatever) it will get black boxen on top and bottom11:34
daefnot left and right11:34
TPCthats right11:34
TPCthats what -vf dsize does with mencoder11:34
daefit could also crop to reach the 15:911:35
TPCI don't want to crop11:35
TPCit could cut off a valuable part of the video11:35
daefso every vid would be 'fullscreen'11:35
daefwo cares?11:35
infobotdaef meant: who cares?11:35
GeneralAntillesYou buy your DVDs in fullscreen, don't you daef?11:35
daefi encode videos not for watching the valuable part... i encode video's to have the thing done ;)11:36
GeneralAntillesWhy bother encoding at all, then? :\11:36
daefbut 4:3 cannot be played on the full n800 screen without cropping or stitching11:36
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daefGeneralAntilles: why does mankind exist?11:36
daefwhy cannot cut concatenate files?11:36
daefwhy is the sea green11:37
daefahem /blue11:37
GeneralAntillesHow do you get from video cropping to that? . . .11:37
* daef still doesn't know how to play wav's from cmdline on a n800 in a sane way ;)11:38
pupnik_not very expensive imo11:38
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daefpupnik_: i cannot compile aplay - gst-launch is too slow - dbus-send crops a bit of the end from the wav to play11:40
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pupnik_i think you can play wavs with the gstreamer tools daef11:40
pupnik_from the shell11:40
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daefpupnik_: it needs 1-2 secs from pressing enter until it plays the sound11:41
daefi need it in a sh-script11:41
daefwith much less delay11:41
daefwhen i try to ./configure alsa-utils in my armel_target i get: libasound headers version >= 1.0.12... not present11:41
daefbut libasound2-dev is installed11:41
pupnik_you need 0.5 second delay, 0.1 second delay?11:42
daefas small as possible... 1 second is definetly too mucgh11:43
infobotdaef meant: as small as possible... 1 second is definetly too much11:43
pupnik_well for music, i start mp3s with a system call gst-launch $filename ! dspmp3sink,011:43
daefi only need to play .wav's11:44
pupnik_but this would be too slow - since you use sdl, i think sdl audio and mixer is the way to go11:44
daefi cannot sink wav's in the mp3sink - i need  to use wavparse ! dsppcmsink11:44
pupnik_i think any exec() or execlp() or system() type call might be too slow for your application11:45
daefmy sdl-app is platform independent - it writes the sounds to play into a fifo wich is read by a sh-script wich plays the sounds from cmdline11:48
daefso no system() is needed11:48
pupnik_Mix_LoadWAV(), Mix_PlayChannel()11:48
pupnik_sdl is platform independent11:48
pupnik_just let sdl play the sounds11:48
pupnik_i understand how you wanted to make platform independence11:50
pupnik_where is there time for the program to load the sounds?  when the user is slowly inputting a string of commands11:51
pupnik_so load a .wav after every icon press, while the machine is otherwise idling11:52
pupnik_just some thoughts :)11:52
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bilboedis there a list somewhere of phones that pair perfectly with the NXXX tablets ? Especially the nokia ones12:08
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JaffaPairing "perfectly" is also dependent on your operator setup. My W850i paired perfectly, but wouldn't connect via packet data until I changed the CID in the connection string (UK, Vodafone)12:27
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daefpupnik_: now did it with sdl (for that platform)12:40
daefa little(!) prog which just plays wav's12:40
daefanybody want that crappy thing for his n800??12:40
akai--is there any documentation describing how Xomap works?12:41
pupnik_daef: are you going to integrate wav playing into your main program, or stick with the FIFO?12:43
pupnik_akai--: there's headers and stuff online, and some chat in the maemo-developers mailing list12:43
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GeneralAntillesWell, Jaffa, EyeTV dumps a live tv buffer to disk, so I went ahead and symlinked that into mediaserv's search directory. Works fine, except for the fact that I never managed to get LAME working correctly (it's at least encoding the video now, but the audio just comes out as the most horrifyingly loud static you can imagine--so I'm just using pass-through) and the N800 wont play AC3.13:11
GeneralAntillesBut, anybody with an EyeTV and a working LAME encoder can get live tv with that method.13:12
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L0cutusi'm unable to run apt-get update inside scratchbox13:30
L0cutusseems it can't reach internet13:30
L0cutus (it is running inside virtualbox+ubuntu 7.10)13:31
L0cutusany idea on how to fix this ?13:31
red-zackyes, make your networkconnection working13:33
L0cutushehe this is the problem :)13:37
L0cutusi don't know ubuntu nor scratchbox :)13:37
L0cutusmy virtualbox guest work ok on internet13:37
inzmost likely you have a /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf has something not nice13:38
red-zackubuntu hast something not nice..13:38
* red-zack is hating ubunt.13:39
red-zackL0cutus: and. i havent run scratchbox virtual. so cant helf. sry13:39
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akai--what is Xomap using as a "graphics card"?13:43
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cosmo_anyone got experience debugging on device with maemo-summoner?13:50
cosmo_i can't get proper backtraces13:50
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L0cutusseems not to be a dns problem13:55
L0cutussince the command wget get the index....13:56
L0cutusis an apt-get problem13:56
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inzL0cutus, apt-get uses /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf, others use the same in /etc/14:00
L0cutusinz: so wget that i have run inside scratchbox use the /etc/resolv ?14:02
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I did a "770-encode dvb://BBC\ ONE foo.avi" and that worked as expected here, so it'd just be a case of tweaking mediaserv to use arbitrary URLs in servemedia() - which is needed to do the RSS proxying anyway. Should be relatively easy, and mediaserv killing the transcoder after use (in this case) actually makes it useful.14:03
inzL0cutus, yes, (or /scratchbox/users/<username>/targets/<targetname>/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf)14:04
inzL0cutus, you need to fix the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf14:05
L0cutushosts: files dns14:07
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inzthen maybe the resolv.conf there is broken =)14:09
L0cutusit is the same of my ubuntu14:12
L0cutusi have really no idea on where to make my hands :)14:12
infobotL0cutus meant: i have really no idea on where to put my hands :)14:13
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murrayc_You sometimes need to fix nsswitch:
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L0cutusi'm an idiot...14:24
L0cutusi was edit the nsswitch.conf while i'm logged in scratchbox...14:24
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L0cutusinstead of /scratchbox/etc/nssetc...14:25
L0cutusnow all work :)14:25
lcddthe scratchbox installer was kinda bad with a 1GB root fs14:25
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Rothielexcuse me14:41
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Rothielchecking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c14:42
Rothielconfigure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub14:42
Rothielthis missing file14:42
Rothielit's specific to scratchbox or it's an error from my system ?14:42
alteregoI've not heard of anyone successfully using scratchbox under a BSD system.14:44
alteregoI think you're only chance is using VMWare player/server14:44
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Takalterego: how come your new ruby packages have stuff in arm-linux instead of arm-linux-eabi?15:12
alteregoTak, I don't know.15:12
Taklol - ok15:12
alteregoI noticed that myself.15:12
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Takit broke my rubygame package ;-)15:13
alteregoIf you need to install to the sitearch dir, use `ruby -rbconfig -e "print Config::CONFIG['sitearchdir']`15:13
alteregoYeah, that was likely to happen.15:13
Takheh, I'm doing that in scratchbox at package-time15:13
alteregoThe new packages are a bit different to the old ones :)15:14
alteregoTak, yeah. I have to do the same thing for a few of the extensions :)15:14
alteregoTook me a while to figure out that little chesnut.15:14
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Takalthough it occurs to me now that I still have your old packages installed in sbox15:15
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alteregoLuckily it's so easy to reinstall scratchbox targets :)15:16
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alteregoOh, so you're using a 3.x SDK?15:17
Tak3.x == bora?15:17
alteregoI thought you might like to use the 4.0 SDK to be ready for OS2008 ;)15:18
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TakI'm having disk space issues atm15:23
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fysakkhas anyone created an alternative vkb that is the mini vkb but slightly larger?15:25
_Monkeyi already had it that way, fysakk.15:25
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Daniellionhmm id just like the large finger board to be the default15:26
Takafaik there's the mini and the thumb15:26
Daniellioni cant ever get that going reliably with the fat finger approach to come up15:26
fysakkcorrect.  they are defined in a vkb file in usr/share/keyboard15:27
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Daniellioncan you get it to default one way or another?15:28
fysakkthe big one should be mpdified also to have a full time number row w/modifiers15:28
Daniellionwould be nice15:29
Takyou can always swap out your vkb file ;-)15:29
fysakkthere is enough room.. i can nearly thumb the smaller keyboard when i have to.. (xterm/nano)15:30
fysakkwas hoping there was a vkb collection sonewhere15:30
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fysakkchanging the minimum font size in opera makes a big improvement for me..15:34
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fysakkthere is an option to raise simultaneous connections also, i set at 24 instead of 4 and it feels much more responsive--but could be placebo, i need to quantify it15:35
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fysakkraised from 7 to 17 and no longer have to zoom (slow) every page15:42
RothielIs someone uses VistaMax as IDE ?15:44
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waiteHas nayone setup to post blogs from the N800 to maemopoeple (b2evo)?15:45
RothielIt's written on the website that it's compatible with the SDK15:45
Rothielbut the link returns 404 and on the website of the IDE15:45
Rothielthey don't mention maemo :/15:45
DaniellionAnyone hear a release date yet for the 810?15:46
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Rothielin 2 or 3 weeks15:47
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DaniellionYeah excited15:59
DaniellionIm happy about it15:59
DaniellionIt fixed the things i didn't like about the 770 and 80015:59
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Daniellionlots of stuff on youtube botu the 81016:05
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Danielliona bunch of people have em16:05
Daniellionim Guessing testers16:05
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DaniellionI hope the navicore is granular enough to be usefull for walking16:06
DaniellionI hear it had a pedistran mode.. not just a car mode16:06
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DaniellionYeah i cant auth. to our wifi network at work without ttls16:33
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Rothielchecking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c17:11
Rothielconfigure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub17:11
Rothielmake: *** [configure-stamp] Error 117:11
RothielCan anyone explain to me this error please ?17:11
Takyou're missing /bin/sh or ./config.sub ?17:12
RothielWhy care about a BSD-compliant install ?? Don't understand17:12
Takthe second line is unrelated to the first17:12
Rothielthere is no folder sh in my /bin17:13
RothielIt's normal ?17:13
Tak/bin/sh should be an executable17:13
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Rothieloh yes I got it of course :)17:14
Rothiel(sorry, I'm a  noob)17:14
Rothielso the problem is config.sub17:14
zoranRothiel, what means "bsd_compatibile"?17:14
Rothielzoran > I guess it means that the application can be run on BSD system too17:15
L0cutusanone is using scratchbox+maemo/nokia sdk with archlinux ?17:16
zoranI thought scratchbox works only on linux17:16
Rothielzoran > me too and it is17:16
RothielI try to create a .deb with the hello_world example17:16
zoranI tried it on freebsd; no luck, even with linux libs included17:16
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zoranthe thing is not even intentioned to work that way17:17
Rothielso, the config.sub that is missing17:18
Rothielit is a file from scratchbox ?17:19
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Rothielor from my system ?17:19
zoranshould be 32 bit bsd and 32 bit linux emulation17:19
alteregoYour system should be completely seperate from scratchbox.17:19
alteregoIf something is going wrong making a package then it is almost certainly with your scratchbox configuration.17:19
zoranRothiel, on what system do you install?17:20
Takbsd-compatible install just means that you have a program called "install" that is compatible with the one in the bsd toolkit, which has become a standard (apparently) - it's standard in configure scripts17:21
alteregoYes, and it has nothing to do with your problem :)17:22
Rothielzoran > ubuntu 7.1017:22
* Tak nods17:22
RothielThanks for the info alterego & Tak17:23
alteregoRothiel, Look at '/bin/sh ./config.sub1' .. Now .. Where do you think the file should be?17:23
zoranif I recall, you could just unzip files, or I'm totaly missing things17:23
alterego- the 117:23
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Rothielalterego > I don't have config.sub in my /bin17:25
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alteregoRothiel, I'll give you another clue. './config.sub' .. Now .. What makes you think it's in the /bin directory?17:26
Rothielbecause it's a binary17:28
alteregoRothiel, this is my final clue. './'17:28
alteregoDo you know what that is?17:28
zoranRothiel, run it in a directory you are in17:28
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Rothiel'./' is used to launch a binary, no ? that's why I learned :/17:29
alterego./ is the _relative_ path to your current directory17:30
zorannot necessary17:30
sxpert-worknot necessarily17:30
Rothielor a path, but . is the current directory17:30
zoranjust do that17:30
alteregoSo what makes you think that ./something is in the bin directory? That's just stupid.17:30
RothielI admit17:31
zoransome systems does not use a lot ascii files as executable17:31
Taktsk, no need for abuse ;-)17:33
alteregoSorry, I was just trying to get him to think a bit more about what was going on ;)17:34
Takinstead, abuse me for not being able to figure out why my vkb stops displaying strings once I enter a space17:34
Rothielno problem Tak =)17:34
alteregoAre you using any regular expressions?17:35
alteregoIs the space actually being out put?17:35
TakI've got puts all over the place telling me what the strings actually are, etc17:36
alteregoAre you outputting every character?17:36
Takcurrently, I'm appending a string and rerendering the label surface when it changes17:37
alteregoBut after a space nothing happens?17:37
Takwtf - if I change the character that key returns to '_' , it works, but with ' ', it's broken17:37
Takafter a space, nothing ever happens again17:38
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Take.g. 'hello maemo' => 'hello'17:38
alteregoIs that the value of the string as output by puts?17:38
Takno, puts outputs the actual string17:38
alteregoJust wondering if the label and puts display the same string.17:38
alteregoSo there's someting wrong with your label rendering code.17:39
Takputs displays the correct string17:39
alteregoMay I see that part?17:39
Takthere must be, but it's not complicated enough for that17:39
alteregoThe bit that updates your label.17:39
alteregoMaybe it's a problem with ruby-game or whatever ..17:39
Tak@background = @font.render_utf8(@text, false, @textcolor)17:39
Takthen later, @background.blit()17:40
Takwell...rubygame is capable of rendering strings with spaces in them; I tried with a little, barebones demo17:40
sp3000are you wrapping?17:41
Taksp3000: not yet17:41
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alteregoTak, try using just 'render' forget about UTF8 for now.17:43
* Tak trying now17:43
alteregoAlso, presuming I'm right, try 32.chr instead of ' '17:44
alteregoIt will help you modularise your keyboard in the future too ;)17:44
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Takhah, you think it's interpreting as an int?17:44
* Tak cough, Fixnum17:45
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Takheh, actually the whitespacing is a special case - everything else gets read from a vkb xml17:45
alteregoI just think 32.chr is better than a load of string "literals" as key tests.17:45
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Taksame thing with render()17:45
alteregoAnd you've done a test case where having a space in a string renders correctly?17:46
alteregoDoes the font have a space character? ^+^17:46
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alteregoSame font and everything?17:47
Takyeah, same font, same color, same size, same args17:47
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Takoh, and so far I can only duplicate on the device :-/17:48
Taksame thing with 32.chr17:48
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zoranis it possible to move files from nokia phones, using bt to 770/800?17:50
|Rit should17:51
* Tak shrugs17:51
Takworks with a laptop using bt17:51
suihkulokkitry before asking? :)17:51
zoranI found that on phone I prefer, micro card has some apps, that have to be copied to another, bigger card17:51
Jaffazoran: yes - it should work. For example, you can send to the N800 using Obex, or send from in the File Manager. *May* have only got really useful in IT OS 2007, I remember it wasn't great before, but can't remember at what version that was.17:52
zoranand I still don't have the very phone yet17:52
zorangonna try, promise17:53
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zoranah, btxfer17:55
cosmo_any common reasons why would osso_initialize fail?17:55
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zoranand you will whitewash it again?17:57
Takit'll be like a halloween decoration17:57
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zoranJaffa, did you mean having obex server on 770/800, from
zoranor simple btxfer from garage?17:59
Jaffazoran: With IT OS 2007 it's all built-in18:00
zoranhm, 200618:00
JaffaHacker Edition is your friend.18:00
therilcosmo_: Running without is quite common18:01
zorandog is not a friend anymore?18:01
cosmo_theril: that doesn't help :/18:02
* Tak continue working on the assumption he'll get ws issue fixed someday18:02
zoranJaffa, what is shown as process, when you do obex data transfer?18:03
Jaffazoran: dunno, I've never checked ps whilst doing it; since it's all GUI based.18:03
zorank, gonna find out already18:03
zoranand it is the most fun thing, making things work18:04
therilcosmo_: Also if d-bus has been shut down or crashed, it will probably fail18:05
therilYou can also try to check errno if some lower-level routine fails18:06
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_Monkeyque tal, lopz18:32
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Rothielbye all18:35
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|Rwhat's the stock software to use for videoconf on the n800?18:51
|Rmy friend just got his n800, i have someone to talk too hehe ;P18:51
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Daniellionim assuming whent he new os refresh is out.. well be able to use skype video and gtalk video.. with anyone not just other nokia users?18:57
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alteregoYou mean you can't already?19:04
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Jaffaalterego: nope19:07
alteregoI wonder if that's because of codecs.19:08
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Takinteresting - if you subscribe to an event queue, you need to register an additional exception handler19:28
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* ccooke wonders what is most thought of as lacking on the n800/n81019:53
Takdepends by whom19:54
ccookealways :-)19:54
Taklack of 3d video accel19:54
Takinsufficient video bandwidth19:54
Taklack of polished, preinstalled PIM software19:55
Taklack of RHS buttons19:55
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mgedmincompare the quality of OS2005 with 2006 and 200719:55
mgedminthe progress is incredible19:55
mgedminI can't wait for OS201019:56
JaffaUnfortunately, sometimes I think I *can't* wait for OS 2010 :(19:58
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Rask330Is there any well-recommended to-do list software for the N800?20:13
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Rask330Nuts. :(20:15
JaffaSomeone was discussing on ITT about creating a new one. There's GPE Todo but it's a bit... <shrug/>20:15
JaffaIt may do what you want.20:15
Rask330Mayhaps I should just keep a text document of stuff I have to do.  :)20:15
alteregoI use yellow notes.20:16
alteregoThough mine's blue.20:16
Rask330I used to write these things down on scraps of paper, then I graduated to text documents in a folder on my desktop, then I sorta started using my palm... but ultimately, my palm is just a glorified collection of text documents.20:16
alteregoRask330, you should check out "yellow notes"20:17
Rask330Is it a program, or are you just referring to post-its? :P20:17
* Jaffa used Jotter on his Psion a *lot*. However, now I'm trying to use a TiddlyWiki on my laptop; but syncing it to my N800 is a bit of a pain20:17
alteregoRask330, it's an program.20:17
Rask330Hm.  Does it run on a PC or on the N800?20:18
alteregoWe are in Maemo :P I wouldn't have suggested anything else.20:19
alteregoYeah, not sure about syncing.20:19
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alteregoGood evening.20:20
dowellconningI just got my Apple Wireless Keyboard paired with my 770 and it works fine in Osso-Xterm but in nothing else o_O;20:20
dowellconningA good halloween evening to you too n.n20:20
alteregoI just had a load of kids knock on my door.20:21
alteregoI wonder if they knew I put laxatives in their candy .. Muahahah20:21
dowellconningI'm sure they'll find out soon enough20:21
alteregoYes, that's at least 5 children not going to school tomorrow.20:21
Jaffaalterego: truly a scary evening.20:22
alteregoI guess I did them a favour.20:22
dowellconningI was wondering if anyone knew how to get the Maemo environment to recognize this keyboard, seeing as Xterm and the rest of the OS seems to x_x;20:22
Takalterego: You could label them "Skiving Snackboxes" and they'd eat them on purpose20:22
JaffaI can hear lots of shouting and squealing outside (good that it's not the surly teenagers), but only had next door's kids knock on my door (possibly due to me being the only one in and so not having many lights on)20:22
alteregoI didn't really spike their candy. That'd be too cruel. Even for me, and even for me on halloween ^_^20:23
Jaffadowellconning: if you start a new app, such as Notes, does that work?20:23
dowellconningNo it doesn't :|20:23
dowellconningIt only works in Xterm :|20:23
dowellconningI connected it using hidd --connect (I needed to turn on encryption in the conf too)20:24
JaffaDid you then do the hildon-input-method thing?20:24
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dowellconningI did not o.o;20:24
JaffaThat'll be it then.20:24
dowellconningI have no experience with maemo tbh <_<;; I'm a OS X hacker :P20:25
* dowellconning googles for that20:25
dowellconningThanks a lot Jaffa20:25
JaffaThe desktop needs to be told about the input method switch. ISTR it's `hildon-input-method ...', but can't remember the details.20:25
JaffaNo probs20:25
dowellconningThis looks very complex o.o;20:29
alteregoBy OS X hacker do you mean web app designer? ^_^20:30
dowellconningNo no.20:30
dowellconningI mess with the OS X kernel and stuff n.n20:31
alteregoI didn't realise you could do that.20:31
alteregoI thought the kernel was a closed source BSD kernel.20:31
dowellconningYesh, it's open source =D20:31
||cwsome of the drivers are not open though right?20:33
alteregoWell, I don't have a Mac.20:33
||cwyou can run darwin on anything20:33
dowellconningBut I don't have one of those iPhone majiggies, they don't do essentially anything I would want one for.20:33
alteregoNot ever likely to get one either.20:33
* dowellconning nodnods20:33
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alteregoNot until they are more value for money. Though, the mini's are quite cool. I might get one of those some time.20:34
dowellconningSo do I need to write my own input plugin to make this work or should it be much more simple than that?20:35
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dowellconningI'm looking at this:
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n800newuserhello, iam a fresh n800 owner, what pim /calender tools do you suggest?20:47
|Ruhm, i heard about GPE, haven't tried any pim though...20:48
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n800newusera tablet pc without a default calender application, from nokia ... i could not believe that20:50
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Takit's not really meant to be a PIM device20:51
n800newuserthe gpe apps at have not been updated since jan.200620:51
n800newuseri can not believe that works well on os 200720:51
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lautihi, is it advisable to upgrade to os2007 hacker edition on the 770? any drawbacks? or just advantages?20:55
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Jaffan800newuser: Graham Cobb's building regular up-to-date GPE packages.20:57
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lautino comment?20:59
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Jaffalauti: I guess there are disadvantages, otherwise it would be used by everyone.21:00
lautiJaffa: read somewhere there were actually no drawbacks...21:00
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lautiJaffa: i am particularily interested in an update of opera since it crashes by any chance21:01
Taklauti: I'm using 2007HE21:01
Takit uses the same browser engine as os2006, though21:02
lautiTak: and you are satisfied with it?21:02
Takfor the most part, yes21:02
TakI have been having reboot-loop issues, but I suspect it's from software I installed21:02
lautiany hint how to get opera more stabie?21:03
Takhave you enabled swap?21:03
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lautino clue... did not touch it... all on default21:03
MiguelAugustodoes anyone know how to switch the sound output from headphone to loudspeaker in the N800 even when the headphone is connected?21:04
keesjnow I have gmail-imap I am ready to start trying out claws a little more21:05
TakI recommend enabling the largest possible amount of swap, from AppsMenu -> Tools -> Control Panel -> Memory21:05
Takis the code for the fmradio app open?21:05
lautiTak: ok, thx21:06
MiguelAugustoTak, no, its not =/21:06
MiguelAugustoTak, that's the problem :P21:06
keesj "programs are less likely to crash"21:07
keesj(about seatbelt)21:07
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|Rwhy would they close the fmradio program?21:08
MiguelAugustoTak, do you have any idea how could I do that?21:08
|Rit's not like it's advanced technology that would give them a secret advantage ;)21:08
TakMiguelAugusto: sorry, I don't21:09
Takmy guess: it would divulge proprietary information about the fm radio chip21:09
keesjI think that all such apps are close (the apps that come with documentation and slick looks)21:09
MiguelAugustoTak, no problem, thanks any way =D21:09
Takde nada21:10
keesjI guess its not created inside the osso dep21:10
* Tak reads ITT thread about seatbelt21:10
* keesj used to remeber every freshmeat software tool, but only tries to keep up with maemo news21:11
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keesjthe news archive on should really be longer21:12
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dowellconningDoes anyone know how to stop Osso-Xterm from doing weird [] [] type things when I press Backspace?21:33
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dowellconningAlso I haven't quite sorted out this hildon-input-method thing :|21:35
dowellconningI just want to switch the input method to an external bluetooth keyboard.21:36
dowellconningGrr~ X321:37
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dowellconningWait >_<; It's kinda working :| When I hit F10 It comes up with a menu where I can select Osso Input Method however I still cannot type in Notes or the web browser21:43
keesjdowellconning: are you using it2007 /n800?21:44
dowellconningI don't believe so21:44
dowellconningIt's a N770 with the default OSA21:44
keesjon that case you need to run some command line tool to switch the input method21:45
dowellconningOooh thankies =D21:45
keesjsomething like maemo-gtk-im-switch xim21:46
dowellconningIt works in Osso-Xterm but only as menu thingies in the rest of the system21:46
dowellconningI connected it manually using hidd --conect21:46
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fysafysaNow that we have host mode sort of working..21:53
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dowellconningo_____O; Somehow it fixed itself!21:55
dowellconningI have no idea how though XD21:55
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tkokeesj: we're not installing maemo-gtk-im-switch anymore22:00
tkoin chinook that is22:00
tkoit was trivial anyway22:00
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skibur_I just bought an N80022:02
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dowellconningDoes anyone know if there are keyboard shortcuts to bring up the applications menu?22:04
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dowellconningXD Thats epic22:06
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skibur_hum... 16GB or 2GB?22:08
skibur_ah, N800 :P wins22:09
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dowellconningWow~ I officially love my 770 now *swoons*22:18
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dowellconningApple wireless keyboard + 770 + Xchat = IRC anywhere =D22:20
dowellconningAlso Perl built in22:20
Takdon't forget about ruby ;-)22:21
Rask330ITOS has perl available?22:21
Rask330I thought all the fuss was about Python.22:21
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dowellconningI like Ruby, but then I think I may have been influenced by Why's guide to Ruby X322:24
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alteregoRuby is the language of the Gods.22:27
fysakki want the cursor rocker 'click' for keyboard presses.22:28
dowellconningIs there a way to close a window that doesn't have a close window button in maemo?22:28
alteregodowellconning, how on earth did you manage that one?22:28
dowellconningXChat's utility windows don't have close buttons :<22:29
alteregodowellconning, press the task navigator menu button, and next to the program there's a close window button22:29
||cwre language of the gods
alteregoOh, you can't close dialogs.22:29
Rask330fysakk:  Really?  It would seem like that would get annoying before long.22:29
dowellconningalterego: Is there a way to do it?22:29
alteregoPress the "Cancel" button?22:30
dowellconningThere is none o_o22:30
alteregoYou could close XChat22:30
dowellconningI know, but I'm going to want to open this dialog often... it's the URL grabber one22:31
alteregoWell, I don't use XChat on Maemo, I would love to but there is a lot of UI tweaks needed.22:31
Takthe maemo-xchat build is pretty nice22:31
alteregoI just use pidgin for all my communicative needs.22:31
alteregoTak, it is, it's just there are certain dialogs that are too big for the screen.22:32
dowellconningIs there a better choice of IRC client without going to CLI?22:32
Takalterego: most of those have been resized and/or scrollpaned in maemo-xchat22:32
* Tak uses xchat22:32
dowellconningTak: Is there a way to close the dialogs?22:33
Takthey should all have a close button22:33
dowellconningURL Grabber doesn't seem to :|22:33
Rask330dowellconning:  If you have an external keyboard, you could try ctrl-F4...22:33
dowellconningRask330: I am and I tried that :|22:34
Takyou're using , correct?22:34
alteregoI thought it was ALT-F422:34
dowellconningNeither work22:35
Rask330alterego:  It usually is.  For some reason, though, the default shortcut in maemo is ctrl-F4.22:35
dowellconningTak: I beleive so o.o; There is a chance I got it from a repository though22:35
skibur_anybody have OS2008 on there N800?22:35
alteregoskibur_, it's not out yet.22:36
Takthere was a build of xchat where the dialogs all ran off the screen, etc22:36
dowellconningI'll try downloading the version from that link though22:36
skibur_o ok22:37
dowellconningOh actually, will I have OS 2007 installed? o.o;22:38
dowellconningI have the default OS on a 77022:38
dowellconningThat I bought about a week ago22:38
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dowellconningOr is there some way I can check?22:39
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* dowellconning tries it anyway22:41
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dowellconningNo it said it was unable to install :|22:42
dowellconningBut I have Xchat version 2.6.4-222:43
skibur_is the N800 bigger than the Nintendo DS?22:43
dowellconningIt's as big as Xbox22:44
||cwthe size should be on the spec22:45
alteregoYes, as big as the xbox, when it's compacted by a garbage truck.22:49
davisi have a nokia n77022:49
alteregoSomeone should invent a shrink ray, then they could make devices as small as they wanted.22:49
davisits a little smaller than a hp calculator.22:49
davisit easily fits inside my pants pocket.  too big for a shirt pocket.22:50
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davis"I don't want to boil the ocean, but I would take baby steps before we spread the gospel"22:51
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dowellconningDoes anyone know how I can get Irssi onto my 770? As Xchat is being very silly :|22:55
Takdowellconning: remove the old xchat, install the new xchat?22:56
dowellconningI have to remove the old one first?22:56
Takyou may - I think the packages probably conflict22:57
dowellconningOkay I'm trying that now22:57
dowellconningWow, yes that worked, now to see if that dialog is fixed =D22:58
dowellconningo_o; I can't type # XD23:00
dowellconningOh wait American layout23:00
dowellconningShift and 3 =D23:00
dowellconningAwesome =D Thanks Tak that works perfectly n.n23:01
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keesjwe should start to educate people to not talk about hardware versions but os versions23:09
dowellconningI would love to talk about my OS version, if only I knew what it was o_o;23:12
keesjdowellconning: if you feel lucky try
keesjand if you want to make me happy tell me if it works :)23:13
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dowellconningDownloading now n.n23:45
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dowellconningI think I will keep using XChat for most things now that it is working23:46
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dowellconningwhere does irssi install to?23:46
dowellconningI don't get anything at the prompt23:46
dowellconningoh wait XD23:46
dowellconningI am ssh'd into my iMac lol!23:47
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dowellconningkeesj: It works perfectly =D23:47
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keesjdowellconning: ok thanks23:59
dowellconningYour very welcome23:59

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