IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-10-30

L0c-[N800]integrated in aamaemo/hildon ?00:00
alteregoIf you wait a few minutes for the new release to be uploaded to my server I'll point you at it.00:00
alteregoYes, there are full hildon-1 bindings.00:00
zerojayOh, the release is finally ready?00:00
L0c-[N800]ok i'll wait :)00:00
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alteregohildon-fm to be added next week.00:00
alteregoMy upload is horrible. I probably should have done it _as_ I was building all the packages.00:01
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L0c-[N800]is possible to develop in ruby+ggtk in maemo so?00:01
alteregoI'm uploading them as a tarball00:01
alteregoL0c-[N800], yes00:01
alteregoI'll upload the examples.00:02
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LateralusDanyUP: what kind of problems?00:02
L0c-[N800]there is also an homepage/blog/other to see and learn ?00:03
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alteregoL0c-[N800], not really.00:03
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alteregoThere's a very small amount of documentation00:03
alteregoAnd a couple of examples.00:03
DanyUPOk I'll try to explain my problem: I followed maemo tutorial until it says to launch start. But the I get lots of errors about hildon libraries.00:04
DanyUPSomething like /usr/lib/hildon-status-bar/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory00:04
alteregoL0c-[N800], the documentation issue will get better.00:04
alteregoL0c-[N800], I just don't have time to work on it right now.00:05
L0c-[N800]someone whith latest  nokia firmware is using PAN?00:05
DanyUPI looked in /usr/lib and I must admit there are non such libraries00:05
L0c-[N800]alterego, don't worry00:05
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L0c-[N800]seems on the latest firmware bnep.ko module is gone...00:06
DanyUPsomeone knows where do I find these libs?00:06
alteregoOkay, packages are uploaded.00:07
alteregoruby-maemo-0.2.0 is unofficially officially out.00:07
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alteregoOoops, the examples directory seems to be broken.00:08
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DanyUPno one knows?00:15
p|alterego: i'm downloading from current/2007/armel00:15
p|libruby* and ruby*00:15
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alteregop|, that should work for N800 with current firmware and 770 with 2007HE00:15
BlueGenehi :)00:15
alteregop|, you'll need ruby1.8-maemo too if you want to develop Gtk apps.00:16
p|alterego: do i need also files on ext/ dev/  dird ?00:16
alteregoNo, they're optional.00:16
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p|are they useful for ?00:17
alteregoWait a sec, I missed the damn ruby-maemo package!00:17
alterego(most important one)00:17
DanyUPWell... ok... I'll ask for it another time00:17
p|DanyUP: unfortunately i'm a very noob in n800/maemo :D00:18
DanyUPno problem00:18
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DanyUPI'm "noober" since i'm installing the sdk :D00:19
alteregop|, a new package should have just appeared in the directory you're downloading from.00:19
DanyUPthanks anyway00:19
DanyUPbye to all00:19
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alteregoThose three are the only ones you need to develop GUI/Hildon/OSSO/GTK applications00:19
p|alterego: yep00:19
p|is it complete ? can i download it ?00:20
p|there is a 'right sequence' to install all the stuff ?00:20
alteregolibruby, ruby, ruby-maemo00:21
szucsatidoes anyone know where I could buy an N800 EU navkit for a low price? I mean very low..00:21
szucsatior just the software00:21
GeneralAntillesOr, just wait for OS200800:21
p|GeneralAntilles: why ?00:22
p|2008 have a navkit ?00:22
GeneralAntillesThe maps, anyway.00:22
szucsatiGeneralAntilles: there are only usa versions and for the same price as the n800 itself00:23
chellidoes anyone know, if the navicore-software from the N800-Navkit will work under OS2008?00:23
GeneralAntilleschelli, the software would be redundant.00:23
GeneralAntillesBut I'm guessing your license will work fine.00:23
szucsatichelli: as I know you can use your current licence with the 2008 but I don't know what you will get for it00:23
GeneralAntillesszucsati, then just wait for OS200800:23
GeneralAntillesIt's just about two weeks away.00:24
alteregop|, be warned. That it's not very highly tested. So if please submit any bugs you encounter.00:24
chelliGeneralAntilles: yes, that's what i wanted to hear :)00:24
p|alterego: i'm also a ruby noob :)00:24
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p|so i test and learn :D00:24
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alteregoGood plan!00:24
alteregop|, my advise. Play with the Hildon widgets.00:24
szucsatihow will the wayfinder work? will I get a dvd if I buy it like with navicore? and for what price..?00:25
chellii really hope that the licence from the n800-navkit will work with the integrated software in OS2008, we'll see :)00:25
alteregoWhat little documentation I've put up there should be of some help :/ The examples are probably a little bit more helpful.00:25
GeneralAntillesszucsati, maps are bundled, navigation is evidently about $120-$130 USD.00:26
alteregop|, any comments on anything relating to it. The website, the packages, installation whatever. Let me know and I'll try an improve it.00:27
alteregop|, you can view the sources at
p|too much advanced for me alterego ;-)00:28
szucsatiGeneralAntilles: 120-130 USD / year? or lifetime?00:28
szucsatihm.. that wouldn't be too bad00:29
alteregop|, well. You'd be suprised. Just to get an idea of what's in there. Look at the file names. If you want to know what methods are defined in a given class. open the file and look for the init_* function.00:29
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GeneralAntillesOr, just use maemo Mapper for free.00:29
szucsatiwith Maemo Mapper as I know there's no offline route planning :(00:29
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alteregopupnik_, new packages are out :)00:31
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szucsatibtw any news about Maemo Mapper 2.0?00:36
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p|to develop/port software to maemo, is it ok the live cd ?00:37
zerojayszucsati: It's being worked on.00:37
szucsatizerojay: cool :)00:39
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p|time to go to bed here :)00:41
p|good night to all and thanks for help and support :)00:41
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JaffaOK, Darius Jack gets the paranoid mailing list subscriber of the year award.00:53
zerojayDarius gets the "most annoying non-negative poster of the year award".00:55
JaffaFair enough.00:55
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zerojayOh gosh.00:59
zerojayI didn't see what you were refering to until just now.00:59
zerojayWhat a fucking idiot.00:59
zerojayDid you see what he posted on ITT?00:59
zerojay5 people URGENT need N800s!00:59
zerojayWe said "buy them online and have them shipped overnight".00:59
zerojayApparently that wasn't good enough.01:00
JaffaIndeed. That's what he's referring to, AFAICT01:00
zerojayI love how he thinks it's a microsoft project now.01:00
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JaffaFrom two addresses, he's crackers.01:01
* Jaffa 's responding, just to see how he reacts to being told "don't be silly". He could just be being silly, or he could be paranoid delusional.01:01
zerojayI want to see someone bitchslap him back to the stone ages.01:03
zerojayVerbally, of course.01:03
zerojayPhysically would be a bonus.01:03
* Jaffa 's too polite and British to be bitchslapping anyone on a mailing list.01:03
JaffaHowever, I Just spent an hour on the phone with a colleague trying to work out why two of the buttons in our web app weren't appearing for the demo he's doing tomorrow, and eventually find that the person who put together the new look & feel for this customer changed: "width: 480px;" to "width: 320px" in layout.css.01:04 = Ireland?01:04
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JaffaYeah, IIRC01:04
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JaffaClose enough to do the bitchslapping in person01:04
ds3css == evil01:05
JaffaFixed widths are evil too, but it's not my design.01:05
ds3pages have no business acting on the size of the browser01:06
GeneralAntillesCSS == so much better than tables01:07
* Jaffa agrees with GeneralAntilles: CSS is a long way from perfect, but it's better than the alternatives.01:07
ds3pages should be independant of browser/device specificities01:07
ds3that way any handheld device can handle it instead of having a billion different versions01:08
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alteregoCSS is nice.01:11
alteregoHTML is bad.01:11
jumpulathey're both crap01:13
zerojayI don't think HTML is bad. It's just that we grew past it too fast and there's not really much to replace it.01:13
alteregoI think it's bad.01:14
alteregoIt's bad because it's not really that good at doing what it's supposed to do. markup content.01:14
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* DRoBeR is away: sleeping on the sidewalk... :D01:35
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szucsatigood night guys, thank for all the help!01:52
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edthow do you repair a gstreamer install that is messed up?  most video will no longer play here (stuff mplayer handles works ok)02:19
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edtI get media codex not supported for video I know work previously02:21
GeneralAntillesWait for 2008 and reflash?02:21
edtthe idea is NOT to have to reinstall02:21
GeneralAntillesWell, you're going to _have to_ reinstall when OS2008 comes out02:21
edtI know that will fix things but its LOTS of work to rebuild my setup02:21
GeneralAntillesso you could just wait.02:21
edtand I want to know what broke THIS setup02:21
edtI will but 2008 in a second partn02:22
edtbut want a working 2007.38 to fall back to which 2008 stabilizes02:22
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edtI have tried reinstalling gst-plugins-farsight gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs gstreamer0.10-id3lib-osso streamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra libgst0.10-dsp02:23
edtwith no luck02:23
edtI have found gstreamer to be a VERY fussy infra on other distributions02:24
edtguess it is here too02:24
edtthe -osso libraries do not seem to be packaged (if they are what is the repo?)02:25
GeneralAntillesWhat did you do to break it in the first place?02:26
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edtIf I knew that fixing would be much easier <grin>.  I just tried video after about a week without and they started give codex failed messages02:27
edtsorry 'codex not supported'.  This is after they are buffered and just as they would normally begin to play02:28
edtthere were probably a few apps installed and updated done between the sucessful and unsucessful attempts to play video02:29
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trevarthanI want to use my n800 as a mouse/keyboard for my mythtv box. Is that currently possible?04:17
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NeoStridertrevarthan:  I guess so04:18
NeoStridervnc hehhe04:18
trevarthanI was thinking more along the lines of synergy04:19
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trevarthanbut actually a cross between synergy and vnc would be more appropriate, I think.04:19
trevarthanI'd like the n800's touch screen to act like a synaptic touch pad. i.e. not absolute screen position, but relative.04:20
NeoStriderDIY, man!04:20
trevarthanyeah. I might. just thinking aloud.04:21
disqyeah. diy. then share. make it act as a bluetooth touchpad04:21
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trevarthanooooooooh. bluetooth. that would be WICKED cool.04:28
trevarthanway beyond me. :) but wicked cool all the same.04:29
trevarthanWhat might not be beyond me is a frontend for synergy.04:30
disqthere's quicksynergy04:30
trevarthanlooks like synergy already has support for relative mouse movements, so maybe all it needs is an easy setup GUI04:34
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trevarthanI'll take a look later. too many cool projects to work on.04:35
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trevarthanummmm... where can I find synergy?05:08
_Monkeysynergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet:   and for 770
trevarthanah. danke.05:08
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Rask330Hmmm.  I don't suppose that any of you know anything about hacking motorola phones?  ^^;05:34
Rask330'Cos I think I just fecked mine up.05:35
trevarthanquicksynergy rocks05:41
|Rgot a mouse pointer showing up?05:42
trevarthanwhy the F aren't those packages in the main repo?05:42
trevarthanno, but I'm using my wireless USB keyboard with my tablet. that's cool05:42
|Ryeah, my main complain is that packages are all over the place... we need a debian-maemo or something ;)05:42
trevarthanthose packages just need to be repackaged for bora and we'd be ok.05:43
trevarthanyou gotta dpkg -i to install them currently.05:43
|R(Actually i've installed most things that way :P)05:43
trevarthanI want to use my tablet as a synaptic touch pad (relative mouse movement pad, like on a laptop)05:44
|Rthat would be cool :)05:44
|RRight now i have one (or maybe two) problems... getting rtcomm to go over my ssh -w (tunnel) and two (if it's needed) to get NAT working to nat the destination so it would work ;)05:45
|RmaximCT got it working 4-5 days ago and i haven't heard about him since :(05:46
trevarthanmmmm. my problem with rtcomm is that it is non-asterisk compliant. that's gay.05:46
|Rwhat do you mean by non-asterisk?05:46
trevarthanfails to re-register.05:46
trevarthanAsterisk as in the PBX.05:46
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|Roh, even with the option of registration frequency or ... can't remember the name?05:47
|Ri got it connecting to my asterisk but didn't test it long enougth yet for that :)05:47
trevarthanyeah. it's fubar. I talked to the devs, ran their tests, and even submitted a bug in their tracker.05:47
|RKeep-alive frequency05:47
trevarthanno luck though. it's a bug in the sofia-SIP stack, so they have to get it fixed upstream.05:48
|RAnyone commented on OS2008/rtcomm yet?05:48
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trevarthanhaven't heard anything, no.05:48
|Rit doesn't support md5secret= either :/05:48
trevarthanlots of unsupported fields, I think.05:49
trevarthankinda minimalistic.05:49
|Rwell, at least it works if needed quickly, i'll have to run more test though... re-registration makes it dies when not in conversations?05:49
|Ror even when talking?05:49
trevarthaneven when talking05:52
trevarthanyeah, just when idle05:52
trevarthanyou can always make calls, but you can't receive them after the re-register timeout.05:53
|Ri dont get what is the authentication user name / password in the advanced options...05:53
straindAnyone running gnumeric successfully?05:54
trevarthan|R: for the proxy maybe? I don't get it either.05:55
|Rtrevarthan : how long before it times out usually? (I just connected to see...)05:56
|R(with a keep-alive of 1)05:56
trevarthan|R: it'll timeout in like 1 second I think.05:59
trevarthanI think the default is 60 seconds. not sure.05:59
|Rso you can never get calls?!06:00
trevarthanset the timeout arbitrarily high, like 120s06:03
trevarthanI need this:
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trevarthanbut for a mouse.06:04
trevarthanhmmmm... I bet I can use that to type text messages on my phone. sweet!06:13
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erstazihi pupnik06:42
GeneralAntillesThis guy on ITT arguing for shortwave and a thermometer baffles me.06:42
erstaziGeneralAntilles: can I see the URL please?06:42
GeneralAntillesStarts around the page 5 or 6 in this thread:
unique311Eee pc will sport touchscreen or not?06:43
GeneralAntillesEee PC seems like a waste of money with the same resolution as the N800 at almost twice the screen size.06:44
unique311thats not money.06:45
trevarthanthe TV/MythTV box that I'm typing this on has a lower resolution than my n800.06:46
trevarthan740x456 or something. NTSC.06:46
unique311hey whats up trevarthan.06:46
trevarthanand the TV is a LOT bigger than my n800. :)06:46
trevarthanhey unique311. what's up?06:46
unique311looking for a new toy on ebay..06:47
trevarthancan't wait for the n810?06:47
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unique311holding out...too much for pretty much a keyboard addon...06:48
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* GeneralAntilles wants his OMAP 343006:49
trevarthansunlight readable screen + GPS makes it worth it for me.06:49
Rask330Haha, the N800 apparently does actually work to play Nanaca crash... albeit somewhat awkwardly.  :D06:49
unique311you are a dev and most like will get a nice discount on you purchase..06:49
trevarthanyeah. hope so.06:49
unique311hope so..06:50
trevarthanI'd probably buy one outright even if I didn't though.06:50
trevarthanbut I'm stupid like that. :)06:50
_Monkeygps is nice, though06:51
trevarthanhey milhouse06:51
_Monkeysomebody said milhouse was the owner of _monkey06:51
trevarthangay is _Monkey06:51
unique311hmm, thought pupnik was your owner06:51
trevarthanman. I set out tonight to code coverflow in Kagu, then I got all distracted by shiny stuff.06:53
trevarthanoh well. probably couldn't have coded it in one night anyway06:53
unique311did you get steve's permission?06:53
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trevarthandidn't know I needed it.06:54
trevarthanit's just a freakin' scrolling album art screen. it's not complicated.06:54
unique311coverflow is not apple's property.06:54
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trevarthanIt might be fun to get sued over something like that anyway.06:55
trevarthanNokia should pay me to duplicate Apple ideas on the n800 in python and get sued for it. that would be cool.06:56
unique311would be cool to play with....will this be for the next release of kagu?06:57
* sciboy yawns.06:58
trevarthanmaybe. dunno06:58
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trevarthan:) sciboy: not a kagu fan?06:58
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unique311sciboy is bored..06:59
trevarthanI'm officially a Violent Femmes addict now.06:59
trevarthanI need to get more of their CDs07:00
unique311a thread on IT discussing why on the new n810 page kagu is not featured, and ukmp is..07:00
trevarthanyeah, like, kontori works for nokia?07:00
trevarthanand also python 2.4 is still the default in chinook, I think.07:01
trevarthankagu still requires 2.507:01
sciboyNah I'm not bored, just woke up.07:01
unique311ukmp does movies.07:01
* trevarthan shrugs07:02
trevarthankagu would do movies if someone really wanted it to.07:02
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trevarthandoesn't seem to be a whole lot of interest in it.07:02
trevarthanI personally don't watch movies on my n800 much.07:03
unique311gave up on that also.07:03
trevarthantranscoding just takes too long. it's a pain.07:03
unique311not a big fan of having to use software to encode...07:03
GeneralAntillesmediaserv . . .07:04
GeneralAntillesIt's fantastical.07:04
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trevarthanI'll watch a lot more when the CPU gets bumped to 400mhz and we can watch youtube.07:04
unique311i told GeneralAntilles this last night..07:04
unique311i think07:04
unique311ipod video...tis the way to go..07:04
GeneralAntillesMaybe once the SDK gets going.07:05
trevarthanI never liked my ipod video much either though.07:05
GeneralAntillesBut without a hi-res screen, it's kinda a one-trick pony.07:05
unique311very true..07:05
GeneralAntillesiPod Touch, that is.07:05
trevarthanyeah. I prefer watching video on my big ass screen.07:05
unique311but when you hold that thing really close to your face..07:05
GeneralAntillesThe screen on the video is just plain too small.07:05
unique311and bump up the sound...07:05
trevarthanlike, a TV or something.07:05
unique311movie theaters...07:05
trevarthannow you're talking07:06
unique3112 inches away from your face..07:06
trevarthanstick a movie theatre in my pocket and then we'll talk07:06
trevarthanstadium seating and all.07:06
GeneralAntillesMarry Poppins07:06
trevarthanwell, I'm off to bed. 1am here.07:08
disqnight trev07:08
trevarthannight folks07:08
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sciboyThat should stop X from segfaulting. =/09:21
pupnikOn It's not a phone?!  "I have a phone, small and cheap which I constantly drop, forget at home, or lose. last thing i want to do is bust out this brick to make a phonecall at a club and have it fall to the ground in my drunken haze. which is the reason why i'm glad it's not a phone." - kingka09:25
czrheh, true words09:26
sciboypupnik, Turns out the N800 has hardware virtual float.09:27
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_MonkeyVFP is a specific floating point instruction set used by ARM09:27
pupnikFor what you wanting FP?09:31
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pupnikSAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Nokia today announced that the Nokia N810 Internet Tablet, the newest device in the company's Nseries line, was honored with LAPTOP's Best of CTIA Award in the Best Overall Product category at the CTIA Wireless IT & Entertainment 2007 Show.10:10
X-Fadepupnik: Old news ;)10:12
X-FadeBut good news though..10:12
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tbfis it normal that there are no applications but the control center and some hello gtk app, after running and
czrtbf, it is normal.10:40
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tbfczr: ah, ok. already thought i'd have messed up somewhere10:40
czrtbf, yup. the SDK is meant for building software. nothing much else :-)10:41
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daefhi there... i have a little dependency problem in my scratchbox / maemo 3.210:46
daefi need SDL_rotozoom.h wich is in libsdl-gfx10:46
daef(i think)10:46
daefbut apt-cache search sdl tells me there is no such package10:46
daefwhat to do?10:47
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mik_daef: maybe you have to do a apt-get update to refresh your repository index10:47
daefi did...10:48
daefno problems with the bora stuff10:48
mik_which repositories are in your sources.list?10:48
daefwhere to dump??10:51
daefwich pastebin to use?10:51
mik_the one you prefer10:51
daefbasically bora free non-free + nokia binaries10:52
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mik_you are missing the extras repository10:55
daefwhich is??10:55
mik_deb bora free non-free10:55
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daefbut the package isn't there neither....11:02
daefmy normal debian-repo's know the package libsdk-gfx - maemo's don't?!?!11:04
JaffaMorning, all11:06
sciboyBrb, trying to get the nvidia drivers on my PC working.11:08
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daefwhy don't i see it after apt-get update??11:09
daefi don't get it!11:09
daefthe extras repo is the first entry in my sources.list - apt-get update doesn't complain about anything - but apt-cache search gfx does not return even one package....11:12
mik_apt-cache search rotozoom?11:13
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daefrotozoom is a headerfile inside the libsdl-gfx-dev package...11:18
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daefmore exact: i need SDL_rotozoom.h and SDL_gfxPrimitives.h11:18
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daefi tried "wget -O- 2>/dev/null | grep gfx | grep ^Package" now - the packages are listed in the Packages file!!!11:21
daefah... it is only in binary-armel - not in binary-i38611:22
mik_ah, ok11:23
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mik_i tried on a real IT11:23
daefso what to do?11:23
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daef?? a real IT ??11:23
mik_internet tablet11:24
daefbut i thought the tablets only have the armel sources?!?11:24
daefah... ok11:24
daefmy fault!11:24
daefso how do i get that cr**py package for my X86 target??11:25
daefanyone an idea?11:33
* daef excuses himself for his bad english...11:33
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daef.... help ....11:36
mik_no idea11:36
mik_i never used scratchbox11:36
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AD-N770bon dia/good morning11:39
VeggenAD-N770: From Catalonia?11:41
AD-N770Veggen: yes11:41
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VeggenNo, I don't know anything else catalan than "bon dia" :)11:42
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inzdaef, apt-get source it and build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc -us12:05
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_Monkeywhat's up, akai---12:11
akai---does ext3 work at all in maemo?12:15
daefinz: thanks - but i just work in the armel target now - and test the app directly on the n800...12:17
daefso i don't have to care about '2' environments (both targets) and just worry about the ARMEL target - where everything works fine!!12:18
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daefakai---: maybe you'll have to build some modules for ext3 *fg*12:20
inzdaef, with sdl (especially sdlgfx) it's better to test on the device12:20
daefso i do ;)12:20
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daefinz: what about debugging on the device?? is there a universally valid way to get debugging-info's from the n800 to my local valgrind or stuff like?!12:22
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inzdaef, valgrind is x86 only, so no :(12:26
daefor any other debugging possibilities?!12:26
inzdaef, gdb should work on the device, although not perfectly12:26
daefso gdb runs ON the device??12:26
daefnever thought about it that way....12:27
* sciboy pulls out his Quake 2 cd, and tries to find the files for Quetoo12:27
inzBut unless you have enough -dbg packages, the backtraces may not be sane12:27
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daefalway thought i have to "secure remote attatch" to the process12:27
daefnow i get a little segfault when using sdl *fg*12:28
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daefn800 resolution is 800x480 - isnt it?12:31
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mik_daef: what are you trying to develop?12:35
* sciboy stretches and yawns.12:35
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daefmik_: software for disableds12:36
mgedminvalgrind also supports powerpc, according to its home page12:38
mgedminan arm port is "low priority"12:39
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mik_daef: cool, my brother is currently writing his diploma thesis about a similar theme12:40
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pupnikoh you want 386 - silly12:48
daefalready working with the armel one - otherwise i would compile it from source - like inz said!12:48
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pupnikwhat are you working on daef ?12:50
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daefg2g... maybe i'll check back later!!12:51
pupnikthat should get an award12:51
* daef parts away as fast as a ..... ?? fast-away-parting-person...12:52
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pupnikthe n800 is a friendlier looking device than their other unit :)
GeneralAntillesHa. That looks . . . medieval.12:57
pupnikklingon even12:59
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pupnikinteresting to see three people doing medical applications today13:00
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Larisowould someone be able to tell me if /etc/resolv.conf should be a symlink to somewhere?13:02
Larisoi've overwritten it by mistake :/13:03
dpb_It's not a symlink afaik13:03
pupnikis a regular file13:03
Larisoheh i broke something else then13:03
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floriangood morning13:36
lardmandid you get your engine to compile then sciboy?13:42
lardmanhi florian13:42
sciboyI loaded it up with rocket fuel13:42
* lardman wonders whether 3D engines work better with rocket fuel13:43
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sciboyBetter than regular unleaded that's for sure.13:44
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mbuf tar xzvf maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel.tgz returns with "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors", what could be the problem?13:53
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jj-mbuf: tar -xzfv ?13:59
czrjj-, you don't need the - with GNU tar.14:01
czrsince x is not really an option.14:01
czrmbuf, check for error messages14:01
czrmbuf, or add 2> /tmp/errors.txt and inspect that file after running tar14:01
czrthe error message is probably "lost" somewhere in the listing produces with -v14:01
czrproduced even. and s/-//.14:02
mbufczr, lot of "Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted" messages14:03
mbufczr, use sudo?14:03
czrmbuf, what exactly are you trying to do?14:04
mbufczr, extract it to a maemo-root directory14:04
czri.e., why aren't you installing it with the script?14:04
mbufczr, trying scratchbox214:04
mbufczr, sudo tar xzvf ...tar.gz worked14:04
czrhmm. not sure what the proper way of doing it would be then. sudo would work but not sure whether using fakeroot would've been better14:05
mbufczr, i am trying this,;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README14:05
czrmbuf, "good" for you? "This is development code, it is broken. " :-)14:06
mbufczr, hehe, ok14:06
suihkulokkimbuf: you can ignore the error from tar14:08
mbufsuihkulokki, ok14:09
suihkulokkimbuf: you just can't make device nodes as regular user (it's not related to sbox in any way)14:09
mbufsuihkulokki, sure14:09
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zaheermhi i wastrying to install the chinook beta scratchbox and it complains about my kernel module binfmt_misc not being loaded14:17
zaheermso i loaded it14:17
zaheermit is still complaining about it, and noticed it is looking for a file in /proc14:17
zaheermwhich i don't have14:17
zaheermany ideas why?14:17
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czrzaheerm, why you don't have /proc? :-)14:19
sciboyTomorrow is Self-portrait day!14:19
zaheermi have /proc14:19
zaheermjust not that file it looks fort14:19
czrzaheerm, which file is that? /proc/modules?14:20
zaheermit is /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc14:21
czrzaheerm, lsmod | grep binfmt shows what?14:23
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zaheermlsmod | grep binfmt14:23
zaheermbinfmt_misc            11656  014:23
czrwhich distro/kernel are you running?14:23
_Monkeyhmmm... gentoo is not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of lle2's life for no good reason.14:24
czrhah, I almost knew it14:24
czrand for once, monkey is useful too.14:24
zaheermhaha no need to laugh14:24
zaheermi am actually a gentoo dev14:24
czryou've probably disabled the "deprecated sysfs entries" or smt like that14:24
zaheermaah yes14:24
zaheermi think i did14:24
czrnot 100% sure whether they'd affect binfmt, but that's what I'd try first14:25
czrthe correct fix would be fixing the installation scripts to cope with the situation though14:25
czrthey're looking in places which are obsolete14:25
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czrso you might try to locate the same info under /sys somewhere, and then file a bug report against the install scripts14:25
zaheermyah i'll do that14:26
czrif you manage to find something which looks more or less like it's supposed to14:26
czris that a directory or a file?14:26
zaheermcat /sys/module/binfmt_misc/initstate14:26
czrcan you pastebin ls -l of it?14:27
zaheermthat's a dir but the initstate inside it is a file14:27
czror it only has initstate?14:27
zaheermno it has more14:27
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mbufwhat should be in /etc/apt/sources.list file to use Bora packages? Using Debian Etch14:27
czrshould have 'register' and 'status' at least. at least with proc. those are used to control binfmt14:27
czrzaheerm, yup. it's not the right place then14:28
zaheermaah ok14:28
czrthat only contains the generic module stuff (all modules have those)14:28
zaheermnothing in sys has binfmt except that place14:29
czrzaheerm, hmm. maybe binfmt is broken in .2314:29
zuhFWIW, scratchbox assumes it's under proc (see /scratchbox/sbin/register_misc_runner)14:29
zaheermyah but in a location that doesn't exist for my kernel14:30
zaheermlet me check the docs14:30
zaheermi am meant to do this: mount binfmt_misc -t binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc14:31
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czrthat pretty much explains it then ;-)14:31
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zaheermmy init scripts probably do this14:32
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mbufwhy do i get this error when i do "sb2 apt-get source fontconfig",
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* Tak futz with app catalog14:43
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mbuffixed, repository had to be in scratchbox target ARMEL etc/apt/sources.list14:50
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daefhi there again14:55
daefis the standard sqlite3 from the repo damaged?? when creating the second table in an empty test.db i get an error - when apt-get source'ing and compiling it myself it works14:56
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RothielHi all :)15:01
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* Tak laughs evilly -
daefdoes anyone know how to read battery state and AC-adapter state from the n800?15:13
czrdaef, by using undocumented d-bus calls into proprietary software ;-)15:13
daefTak: what is funny on that paste?? (i may be too dumb to get the point)15:13
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daefczr: and these undocumentet calls are documentet where?15:14
infobotdaef meant: czr: and these undocumented calls are documented where?15:14
czrdaef, I'd assume Nokia has some docs on them. or maybe not even them.15:14
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czryou get a signal when the ac state changes though, you can see it on the system bus with dbus-monitor15:14
czrbut as to getting the state when your program starts for example, I do not know.15:15
daefcan't i simply query a dumb file?15:15
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daefwhere 1 means on AC and 0 means on battery??15:15
czrwell, if you find one15:15
daefas stupid as that?15:15
daeflet's give it a look15:15
Takdaef: nothing particularly - I'm just inordinately excited at parsing the vkb15:16
daefTak: kk15:16
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inzTak, are you going to make a console vkb?-)15:17
daefsomehow the app in the upper right corner has to query the bat-state and ac-state....15:21
daefwhere do i get that source!?15:21
GeneralAntillesIt's binary-only, afaik.15:21
Takinz: I'm looking at making a vkb in rubygame15:21
daefi thought the whole platform is open15:22
GeneralAntillesWhatever gave you that idea?15:22
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daefthe kernel source is available - so i thought the nokia binaries are open too....15:24
daef..thought with some restricted licenses.... but open15:24
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GeneralAntillesNope, sorry. :)15:25
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kpelhi all15:25
infobotdaef meant: pigcrAp15:25
daefinfobot: i love you!15:25
infobotYou love you!?15:25
daefinfobot: no15:26
daefinfobot: who programmed you15:26
daefinfobot: who programmed you?15:26
daefinfobot: self destruct!15:26
Okkoinfobot: infobot loves infobot?15:27
daefinfobot: Okko is stupid - isn't he15:27
infobotokay, daef15:27
daefOkko: scnr15:27
Okkoit's clearly in your control15:27
daefinfobot: Okko15:28
infobotwell, okko is stupid - isn't he15:28
_Monkeyi already had it that way, infobot.15:28
Okkoinfobot: take it back!15:28
daefinfobot: _Monkey is cool, isn't he?15:28
infobotdaef: okay15:28
daefinfobot: _Monkey15:28
_Monkeyi think i am an annoying bot15:28
infobot_monkey is, like, cool, isn't he?15:28
daefi like infobot15:28
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erstazihi lopz15:31
lopzheya erstazi15:31
_Monkeyerstazi is sure there is a tutorial out there for that15:31
erstazi_Monkey: forget erstazi15:31
_Monkeyerstazi: I forgot erstazi15:31
pupnikhomebrew wlan antennae: relevant to my interests15:31
erstazipupnik: my new WRT54GL is coming in the mail (:15:32
pupnikthis is the hackable linux one?15:32
erstazipupnik: but, do you have an URL for a homebrew wlan antennae?15:33
erstazipupnik: yes, that is correct15:33
pupnik   german sorry15:33
pupniklinks at bottom15:33
daefthe L in GL stands for linux15:33
erstazipupnik: I can read some Deutsch (:15:33
daefi think ddwrt is the best firmware for the wrt15:33
daefbut thats a religious question to flame about... like kde vs xfce vs fluxbox vs gnome15:34
pupnik2.4ghz do not liek steel-reinforced concrete15:34
daefand m$ vs *nix15:34
daefso - does anyone know a 'simple' way to query the n800's battery state?15:35
daefinfobot: do you know anything about that?15:35
infobotyes, I know anything about that.15:35
daefinfobot: you kick ass!15:35
infobotyep, I sure do.15:35
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erstazidaef: dd-wrt is nice, I might try openwrt as well15:35
RothielI have a problem15:35
erstazihi Rothiel15:36
RothielI wanna update to sdk 3.215:36
daeferstazi: openwrt is kinda - childish15:36
Rothielhi erstazi15:36
erstazidaef: haha15:36
Rothiel Could not resolve ''15:36
daefRothiel: have a lot of fun15:36
Rothielit's me ?15:36
daefcheck your /ets/resolv.conf15:36
daefand check your /etc/nsswitch.conf15:36
daefinside the scratchbox15:36
erstazidaef: honestly, with time constraints, I might just end up with dd-wrt15:36
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inzAnd also /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf15:36
daefcheck your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf15:36
daefinz: yes15:37
RothielI'm on it15:37
daefRothiel: pray to god and do some voodoo rituals15:37
erstazipupnik: which one (antennae) are you doing?15:37
daefRothiel: maybe drink the blood of one or two chickins'15:37
Rothiel192.168.1.1... It is'nt the goop ip ?15:38
daefinfobot: what do you know about me15:38
* infobot do you know about me to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion15:38
daefRothiel: are you seriously asking us about a 192.168.*.* ip??15:39
daefthat's like asking petrus if 'markus' is here already - there might be more than one15:39
daefdiff the file with your host's /etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf15:40
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RothielI'm a noob15:41
Rothiel(to explain my last question ^^)15:42
erstaziRothiel: usually, thats the internal IP of your network15:42
erstaziand what I mean by "usually," its around,... mmm 99.9%15:43
Rothielshame on me ;__;15:43
daefRothiel: read following RFC's: 791-793, 826, 894, 213115:43
erstaziRothiel: its ok, everyone is a noob at once15:43
daefinfobot: what do you think about reading rfc's15:43
* infobot do you think about reading rfc's to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion15:43
erstazis/at once/at one time/15:44
infoboterstazi meant: Rothiel: its ok, everyone is a noob at one time15:44
* erstazi says, "Lay off the jack, erstazi!"15:44
daeferstazi: everybody is a noob - some have some particular knowledge - but are noobs in another way ;)15:44
erstazidaef: correct15:44
erstazidaef: which agrees with my statement15:44
* daef excuses himself for his bad english...15:45
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erstazidaef: the difference of an ignorant retard and an intelligent raskel is the intelligent raskel is willing to learn new things15:45
erstazihence, I always prefer the people who ask questions15:45
erstazisincere questions15:45
Rothielno diff between the files15:46
daeflet me ask what a raskel and what a retard is... w815:46
RothielI think that my work's network sucks15:46
daefdoes wget work inside your scratchbox??15:46
erstazidaef: Dummkopf == retard15:46
daeferstazi: got that one - but what is a raskel?15:47
daefRothiel: try "wget" and see if you get a index.html in your working directory15:47
Rothielit's workings for some websites15:49
erstaziits not defined15:49
Rothielbut not repository :/15:49
erstazidaef: I shall reword: I meant someone who is just intelligent15:49
erstaziraskel was just a play word15:49
daeftry "strace apt-get update 2>log" on both - host and scratchbox15:49
daefand compare the to outputs15:49
daeferstazi: kk15:50
erstazidaef: there are still members of my family in Burgenland15:50
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daefi went to school in burgenland15:50
daefi am from upper austria15:50
erstazidaef: know any Keiper15:50
daeferstazi: nope15:50
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erstaziI got to depart15:51
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Takhmm - is there a maemo build of SDL_gfx ?16:25
inzTak, for mistral in extras16:26
inzTak, s/mistral/armel/16:26
Takok, nice16:27
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raflwhat audio driver does the n800 use?16:32
raflpupnik: thanks16:35
raflI think I'll use alsa then.16:35
pupnikdoes it2008 have an ogg vorbis dspsink?16:36
szucsatiis there a difference between the Navicore dvd & licence in the 770 kit and the B800 kit?16:36
szucsatiN800 kit16:36
szucsati(I'm thinking about buying a 770 navkit for a low price and use it's licence with os2008.. if it's possible)16:37
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playya2hi everybody17:06
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pupnikthis is what is?17:10
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pupnikbesides good looking17:10
GeneralAntillesSomething involving Ruby, is my guess.17:11
playya2i have a problem with scratchbox an maemo17:11
Takheh - rubygame-generated onscreen kb17:11
Takand :-P @ GeneralAntilles17:11
playya2the machine is set to arm instead of armel17:12
playya2and so apt searches arm-binary instead of armel-binary on the server17:12
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pupnikplayya2: arm was used in OS2005.  maybe you installed an old 2005 root fs to your target17:14
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raflwhy would dpkg -e some.deb say 'unexpected end of file in version number in some.deb'? after checking control.tar.gz everything seems to be perfectly fine.17:16
raflalso dpkg -e within scratchbox works just fine.17:17
sladenwhat's the name of the maemo 3rd party apt/sources.list line installer  ?17:17
playya2vi ?17:18
_Monkeyrumour has it vi is scarry to me17:18
playya2pupnik: no i have a new one17:19
celestehheh, it sars monkey17:19
playya2it produces compiles which work on the n80017:19
infobotcelesteh meant: heh, it scars monkey17:19
Taksladen: deb bora free non-free17:19
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sladenTak: no, the tool that handles .install files17:20
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sladen(if that's the right terminology)17:20
sladenwhat I'm after is the definition that that file17:21
Tak ?17:22
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fysafysaWhat's the easiest way to get cron working on the N800?  Would like to schedule regular rsyncs and such.17:47
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zoranuse shell script or perl/python17:48
zorandefine variable for time17:49
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sciboyHmmm, want to start converting vids for the N800 using Avidemux17:54
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fysafysaand have the shell script sleep until the specific time?18:01
Jitenis anyone working on using memory cards encrypted?18:01
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fysafysathat's not a horrible idea.18:03
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fysafysaHow about running a screensaver?  Are there any N800 screensavers?18:04
zoranJiten, the only option I've heard is maemokrypt18:04
Disconnectwhy did infoweek just send me "industry status" spam on my email addy? :(18:04
fysafysaI'd like to run the N800 as a bed-side clock at night by launching MClock or some such in power-waste mode if we're plugged in.18:04
fysafysabut MClock is horrible inefficient .. I think it uses almost 8mb of RAM.18:05
fysafysaa simple clock screensaver would do.18:05
zoranisn't it expensive for just a clock?  :)18:05
fysafysayes, that's why it's slowly becoming everything ;)18:06
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fysafysamy goal: rsync 'Sleep Mix' music to the device, turn backlight all the way down, set audio to a specific level, create randomized playlist of Sleep Mix, feed to audio player, launch night time clock18:07
fysafysabut MClock will need to be modified to quit or move-to-back on double touch, so you can easily get back to a browser.18:08
L0cutusa good thing is to port encfs to maemo via fuse :)18:08
fysafysait seems like a crontab 'emulator' for alarmd could be written.18:10
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fysafysanot that I'm signing anyone else up for any of this ;)18:10
fysafysajust a recent N800 convert and on my way to migrating life from desktop to handheld18:11
zorantehre was some talk about python app like cron, but cannot find it right now18:12
fysafysayeah, I don't think that's the right solution.  keeping a python interpreter around to munch on RAM all day is not a good use of our pauper's 128mb.18:12
zoranwalkaround could be to make script that reads $time and sleeps a minut or so; if $time is right, load whatever18:13
fysafysabusybox has crond.18:13
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zoranhm, gonna see it18:13
fysafysaon my OpenWRT router, anyway18:14
fysafysalrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           17 Feb 24  2007 /usr/sbin/crond -> ../../bin/busybox18:14
fysafysacould it be that simple?:18:14
zoranon 3.2006.49-2 no cron/anacron18:15
fysafysacould N800 have a specific busybox built without cron?18:15
fysafysaCurrently defined functions:18:16
Rothielexcuse me18:16
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fysafysa        [, [[, ash, awk, basename, cat, chgrp, chmod, chown, chroot, chvt, clear, cmp, cp, cut, date, dd, df, dirname, dmesg, du, echo, egrep,18:16
fysafysa        env, expr, false, fdisk, fgrep, find, free, fuser, getty, grep, gunzip, gzip, head, hostname, id, ifconfig, ifdown, ifup, insmod, kill,18:16
fysafysa        killall, last, ln, logger, login, ls, lsmod, mkdir, mkfifo, mknod, mkswap, mktemp, modprobe, more, mount, mv, netstat, nslookup, ping,18:16
fysafysa        pivot_root, printf, ps, pwd, readlink, realpath, renice, reset, rm, rmdir, rmmod, route, run-parts, sed, seq, setlogcons, sh, sleep,18:16
fysafysa        sort, stty, su, swapoff, swapon, sync, sysctl, tail, tar, tee, test, time, top, touch, tr, true, tty, umount, uname, uniq, uptime, vi,18:16
fysafysa        wc, which, who, whoami, xargs, yes, zcat18:16
fysafysaSorry for the long paste.18:16
RothielCan someone give me an exemple of a simple Makefile ?18:16
Rothielto build a package of hello world, for example18:16
Rothielplease !18:16
fysafysabusybox would need to be rebuilt with crond, crontab18:17
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fysafysashould probably add wget18:19
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Rothielsomeone to help me please ?18:20
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fysafysawhich is also available for busybox18:20
_Monkeyokay, fysafysa.18:20
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Rothielthanks !18:22
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pupniki think the .install doesn't like my repository18:29
pupnikwhen i click on the .install file, browser shows me a text file18:30
Rothielà toute lesgens18:31
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X-Fadepupnik: You have to use the correct mime-type for .install18:33
X-FadeContent-type: application/x-install-instructions18:33
pupnikthank yooo :)18:34
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pupnikiles with the extension ".install" are recognized by the Internet19:08
pupnikTablet OS to have the mime type "application/x-install-instructions",19:08
pupnikbut you might also need to configure your web server accordingly.19:08
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JitenI went through the process to make my n800 boot from mmc. Now if I only could remember why. I have this faint idea that it was the first step before doing something else. No idea what though.19:17
pupnikX-Fade: i don't own the webhoster,  is there a way to specify content-type in the html link to the .install file?19:17
zoranJiten, any new opinion about nokia 6120 classic?19:18
pupniki tried to add a <head> section in the .install file but that dinno work.
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Jitenzoran: yes, it definitely is the 3G only setting. it hasn't heated up once with combo or 2G only mode.19:19
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zoranI made a tour around stores and found interesting 623319:20
_Monkeyhello, L0cutus19:21
L0cutusi'm trying to build a dev system for maemo...19:21
L0cutus(sdk ecc..)19:21
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L0cutusbut i doesn't know wich file i need to dowload from scratchbox...19:22
Jitenzoran: let's see, S40 based so less of a smartphone. Interface might be more snappy though. Less applications available. No multitasking.19:22
zoranJoten, looks so cute19:23
Jitenno 3G either19:23
zoranbetter keyboard19:23
zoranand yes 3g19:23
zoransmall memory footstep19:23
pupnikdoes launch app manager for anyone (request for test help)19:24
zoranpupnik, I see it in browser as ascii file19:25
pupnikthank you19:25
Jitenzoran: also the web browser is rather limited ... though, I've never planned on using that.19:26
Jitenthe screen doesn't have enough resolution for comfortable web browsing19:26
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Jitenwell, that's the technical differences.19:27
zoranI nad intention to use it as a phone19:27
Jitenyes, it'll work as a phone. Though the internet connection it can do is somewhat limited.19:28
zorannot so good signal here19:28
zoranand pretty expensive19:28
zoranI need perfect phone, with good receive and speaker19:29
zoranI reread my last line and cannot believe I wrote that19:29
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Jitenanyway, it likely has better battery life than 6120 so if that weighs the scales, go for it19:30
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chx could this be useful as a power injector?19:30
zoranlooks a way better battery19:30
zoranthere is some mistery about firmware version, if I see it as I should19:32
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Jitenfirmware version?19:32
zoranyep, 5.10 vs 5.4319:32
zoranfor 6233, to clear out19:33
Jitenwhat's the mystery?19:33
zoransome says one is better, another says it almost crashed my device, another...19:33
zoranno 2 identical opinions19:34
Jitenphones are becoming more computer like19:34
zoranand a lot of indie sellers here19:34
zorandunno what gonna buy in deed19:34
Jitenif it works, don't upgrade the firmware :)19:34
zoranhm, I will not  :)19:35
zoranjust have to buy it first  :)19:35
Jitenmy phone actually has a newer firmware than the one nokia offers on their update website.19:35
zoranthey have some unofficial versions19:36
Jitenn800 came with OS2006 though.19:36
zorandeveloper edition?19:36
_Monkeyi heard developer edition was out19:36
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Jitenumm, developer edition?19:37
_Monkeydeveloper edition is out19:37
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zoranI mantioned first versions of it for developers at $100 rate19:37
Jitenn800, not n81019:38
zoranyes, at january 200719:38
JitenI've had neither of these for a month yet.19:38
JitenI got them as a package. Paying 23€/month for the 24 months for these as a package19:39
Jitenlikely going to be 3-4 years before I'll replace either.19:41
Jitenunless one of them breaks, that is.19:41
zoranah, gizmos go when you don't except them19:42
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zoranI always thought that linux NetWord dictionary should be part of maemo catalog19:43
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zoranpupnik is our friend; we want him happy19:55
pupniki think i would have to set up the .install mime type in apache webserver19:57
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Takwhee -
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sciboyNight, gotta get a few things rolling.20:51
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pupnik  hah nokia CAN put buttons on the right hand side!  :)  (nokia 7710)21:28
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* flip^ is bored... any new fun little tools or games need testing pupnik ?21:30
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||cwwhat is that21:32
||cwthat nokia device21:33
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Okko||cw: it's from somewhere around 2003, a phone21:36
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keesjpupnik: I have played with that device @21:46
pupnikflip^: yeah new game coming21:47
szucsatiwhat's wrong with the buttons on the left side? you have a stylus normally in your right hand when using a tablet21:47
keesjthe screen was to large for the jvm to play nice21:47
keesjszucsati: GAMING21:47
_MonkeyGAMING is, like, priority with gp2x21:47
pupnikszucsati: a) i'm left handed b) gaming21:47
keesjstill it's al fake and we as community have failed big time21:48
szucsatieh.. children :P21:48
szucsatibuy a bt keyboard than21:48
keesjnot wiremote support in game, noturning the sscreen around21:49
keesjbt keyboards are not that good for gaming21:49
pupniknp: Datarock - Computer Camp Love21:49
pupnikbt work fine here, but needs to be sitting on a table21:49
keesjI have this bt keyboard !!,nl21:50
szucsatikeesj: must have benn expensive..21:51
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flip^pupnik: ooh, what's the new game? any previews ;)21:51
keesjabout 170 euro,21:51
keesjI did not get the mouse part to work yet very nicely on the tablet21:51
keesjszucsati: it's very slick , when you touch the keys they light up21:51
szucsatii've ordered a microsoft bt keyboard for 45usd :P21:51
pupnikgood deal21:51
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szucsatiyes, seems to bee a high quality stuff, and I like logitech anyway21:52
keesjstill I can't really use it with my 770 or n800 in bed on on the coutch21:52
keesjor I would require to have the nokia mounted on my head :p21:53
* keesj 's apparenly has been invited by his boss for free drinks21:53
flip^hmm, now there's a gap in the market to be filled... PDA hat mounts...21:54
pupnikflip^: will have something by tomorrow i hope21:54
pupnikright now i'm trying to package stuff and figure out why .install not working21:55
keesjthe 810 has a keyboard I really wonder how that is going to feel21:55
flip^pupnik: very unlike you to package things ;)21:55
szucsatias I heard the buttons are too small and the top buttons are too close to the device, very uncomfy21:56
pupniki like to think of it as encouraging linux skills21:56
keesjecho wget -o -- | sh21:56
flip^szucsati: but apparently it's possible to get used to it21:56
szucsatidepends on your fingers i think21:56
pupnik  do you know how i can make that .install file work there keesj?21:56
pupnikor does my webhoster need to configure his server to set .install to x-application-install mime type?21:57
szucsatibut i don't care, i just changed my 770 to an N800 :)21:57
keesjyou need to set the mime-type21:57
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keesjin the apache configuration (or whatever web-server you use)21:58
pupnikah but i do not control the server - it is on a hosting service21:58
keesjlynx -head returns Content-Type: text/plain21:58
pupnikcan i force the content-type without controlling the webserver?21:59
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keesjwith a .htaccess file if it's apache22:00
keesjor with a php file22:00
flip^you could probably write a php script or something to directly serve up the headers and file too22:00
pupnikhmm ok ty22:00
keesjthis is a "working" example
keesjworking is a big word, bug the content-type is right22:01
keesjJaffa do you watch the mud-builder-users list?22:02
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keesjpupnik: still you package requires the uinput module right?22:04
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pupnikadded line to new file .htacces //  ForceType "application/x-install-instructions" .install22:07
pupnikdoesn't work22:07
pupnikdon't know uinput module22:07
pupnikyou mean a kernel module?22:07
flip^pupnik: would some php code that could do what you need help at all?22:07
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keesjpupnik: is the .htaccess file readable by the web-server and not by the world ?22:08
pupniki just put a .htaccess in the root web dir www22:08
keesjapache it pretty nasty about ownership and rights of the .htaccess file, errors are usualy logged in a error.log22:09
pupnikperhaps http will be necessary.22:09
keesjI run on lighttp so I can no really help you much here , creating it is php could also be nice , specialy to include counters22:11
pupnikok i'll read up on this and if needed call/write the hoster22:11
keesjor even 0install kind of functionality, so you can create a virtual repository for every user22:12
* flip^ has some nice simply php that delivers csv files which would probably work fine for a .install (easy to change the mime type)22:12
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pupnikthanks for saving me time22:12
keesjpupnik: yo,22:12
keesjare there she's in here?22:12
pupnikflip^: thanks if you want to paste that somewhere i'd like to see it22:12
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flip^i forgot how much i hate pastebin's highlighting actually... too much formatting22:14
keesjI like
keesjsleeptime.. 0x2bed22:15
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sciboyHi. =D22:48
flip^hey sciboy22:48
_Monkeyi think sciboy is my username at gp32x?22:48
sciboy... How can I get Monkey to say something different?22:48
sciboyflip^, You up to anything?22:49
flip^sciboy: depends what you mean by 'anything'... idling online, lurking on forums, reading websites to alleviate persisting boredom... any of that count ;)22:50
sciboyYeah. =)22:50
sciboyIt's not much, but it's still something.22:51
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flip^Only just ;)22:51
flip^For a moment I thought you were going to offer something better to entertain me :)22:51
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sciboyNah, I was just curious.22:51
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flip^I'm pondering installing bomberman on my n800 atm22:51
sciboyUnder emulation?22:52
flip^nah, from
sciboyMaemo-recorder has been pretty useful lately.22:53
sciboyIt's nice having a recorder to brain dump into that I can revisit later.22:54
sciboyUgh, forum spam.22:54
* Disconnect never goes back to dumps like that, doesn't work as well :)22:54
* sciboy gets up the mod interface.22:55
Disconnectworks better than nothing since i tend to remember recording it (or sketching it or..) but i never reference it22:55
t_s_o <- showed up on the openmoko mailing list. could it work on maemo also?23:00
sciboyDisconnect, It's like your own private therapy sessions, minus the psychiatrist and the little leprechaun who likes burning things.23:02
* pupnik stares back at the pretty green lemurs23:03
* Disconnect loves Ralph23:03
* Disconnect needs to decide if he's got enough spare time to get heavy into embedded dev again..23:03
Jaffakeesj: yeah, agree with what you said on it. Was just about to reply myself...23:03
sciboypupnik, I like my lemurs blue.23:04
sciboyThey just taste better.23:04
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sciboyGosh I don't like spammers.23:13
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_Monkeysalut, skibur_23:14
sciboyI mean yes, I enjoy expanding my vocabulary with such beauties as "MEGA-DICK", but it wastes so much resources...23:14
skibur_I'm thinking of buying N80023:14
skibur_Does it have bash?23:14
sciboyskibur_, It has a terminal, busybox I think23:15
flip^I think you can get bash on it, but I've not actually needed to as yet23:15
skibur_I use irssi, does it have it?23:15
skibur_o ok23:15
flip^there's a package you can download for irssi, yeah23:15
sciboyI prefer XChat personally.23:15
skibur_I'm a developer for "DSLinux" (Linux for the Nintendo DS).23:16
skibur_o ok23:16
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timelessinstalling a bash debian package would almos certainly break things very badly23:17
sciboyskibur_, Thanks for reminding me, I want to check up on that.23:19
skibur_On DSLinux?23:19
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skibur_if you need anything23:20
doubleci played with DSLinux a bit23:20
sciboyI've since sold my DS though.23:20
doubleca while ago tho. pretty nifty.23:20
skibur_let me know23:21
skibur_it has graphics now23:21
skibur_it has improved so much23:21
skibur_it can now launch Pixil23:22
skibur_an embedded pda app23:22
skibur_still needs work23:22
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sciboyTo be entirely honest, I didn't expect you guys to get graphics going.23:22
skibur_ViewML is a nice web browser with graphics, bit slow, but will improve as well23:22
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skibur_some pictures23:23
skibur_of pixil23:23
sciboyWow, much further along than I expected.23:23
Jaffatimeless: dunno if there's any chance to fix it before IT OS 2008; or if it's already released, but I've just raised against microb.23:24
sciboyskibur_, Kudos to all the devs. =P23:25
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skibur_Can the N800 be loaded with a different distro?23:30
sciboyAny you have in mind?23:31
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Disconnectskibur_: in theory, yes. in practice, no..23:32
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* Tak about sick of reboot loop every few days23:40
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Takyay, total reflash again23:51
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X-Fade_Tak: Install OS on MMC :) That will save you a lot of trouble..23:58
X-Fade_That way you always have a safe boot. And you can mount the 'crashed' partition..23:59
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