| dev | k-s[WORK]: I'll be there | 00:00 |
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| k-s[WORK] | lauti: we want to, as well as a2dp | 00:02 |
| k-s[WORK] | lauti: but I'm not sure if it will be available in this first try | 00:02 |
| k-s[WORK] | lauti: however this release will keep living after it's released | 00:03 |
| k-s[WORK] | lauti: unlike previous version :-P | 00:03 |
| k-s[WORK] | lauti: and it support "options" per-screen, so one can easily write a plugin to support extra output devices | 00:03 |
| lauti | k-s: would be cool, this would make it the killer | 00:03 |
| k-s[WORK] | and it will be in python | 00:04 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 00:04 |
| lauti | and i could save a lot of time ;-) | 00:04 |
| k-s[WORK] | dev: present something or what? | 00:04 |
| dev | k-s[WORK]: yeah, I'll talk about Coherence | 00:06 |
| lauti | k-s: so canola has not yet been released officially? | 00:07 |
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| k-s[WORK] | lauti: no, it's beta2 yet | 00:08 |
| k-s[WORK] | lauti: but we aborted that and rewrite it | 00:09 |
| k-s[WORK] | actually, we're still doing | 00:09 |
| k-s[WORK] | C -> Python | 00:09 |
| k-s[WORK] | SDL -> EFL | 00:09 |
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| k-s[WORK] | hopefully it will be more powerful yet smaller (code base) | 00:09 |
| rafl | i wonder how insecure a bluetooth keyboard would be. is there a way for others to sniff what i'm typing via bluetooth? | 00:10 |
| k-s[WORK] | rafl: bluetooth is usually secure | 00:10 |
| rafl | hooray | 00:10 |
| k-s[WORK] | rafl: it operates on a number of channels | 00:10 |
| k-s[WORK] | and change among them very fast | 00:10 |
| _Monkey | k-s[WORK]: that doesn't look right | 00:10 |
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| k-s[WORK] | thus it's hard to snif | 00:11 |
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| k-s[WORK] | you'd have to know the next frequency to snif | 00:11 |
| mk8 | Hi to all ... :) | 00:11 |
| k-s[WORK] | _Monkey: ? | 00:11 |
| _Monkey | k-s[work]: bugger all, i dunno | 00:11 |
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| wumpus | k-s[WORK]: or sniff them all, it's possible | 00:11 |
| k-s[WORK] | wumpus: but other device may be using the channel at that time | 00:12 |
| wumpus | just google on bluetooth and security and you'll find some interesting stuff | 00:12 |
| k-s[WORK] | and thus you'd have a hard time doing that | 00:12 |
| wumpus | they succeeded in hacking some general purpose bluetooth chipset to act as full band sniffer | 00:12 |
| k-s[WORK] | but it's possible, yes... hard to say something is impossible nowadays | 00:12 |
| wumpus | but that doesn't defeat te encryption of course | 00:13 |
| k-s[WORK] | better ask holtmann when he's online at #bluez | 00:13 |
| wumpus | I think the host stacks are quite secure, but you can fool some devices in various ways | 00:13 |
| wumpus | then again, non-bluetooth wireless keyboards are probably even less secure | 00:14 |
| wumpus | as bt at least enforces some security mechanism | 00:14 |
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| lauti | bye folks | 00:17 |
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| amr | how come when i go to instsall canola it goes all through the process then at the very end i get 'unable to install canola' | 01:07 |
| amr | it still shows up as installed, but has an empty library, and it shows up in my installed apps | 01:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What does the log say? | 01:11 |
| amr | mentions somethings about dependencies | 01:12 |
| amr | one minute | 01:12 |
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| amr | whoops i cleared it | 01:14 |
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| zerojay | Finally got mediaserv working. | 01:38 |
| zerojay | My movies all work great. | 01:38 |
| zerojay | None of my TV shows, however. | 01:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's the matter with the TV shows? | 01:41 |
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| zerojay | Media player comes up, as usual, but before it plays them, it stops. | 01:41 |
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| zerojay | I can see mencoder working. | 01:41 |
| zerojay | But it just refuses to play them. | 01:42 |
| zerojay | The only difference I can see is that they're in a separate directory than the movies. | 01:42 |
| zerojay | Both in the same data directory. | 01:42 |
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| macluvjay | how would you take a screenshot on an n800 | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just use VNC. ;) | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there are a couple of screenshot tools in the repos. | 01:55 |
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| rafl | macluvjay: also there's osso-screenshot or something like that. | 03:24 |
| rafl | aww.. note to myself: always read the full backlog before replying. | 03:24 |
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| macluvjay | thanks, found mh shot tool | 03:26 |
| macluvjay | :) | 03:26 |
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| zerojay | It supports Flickr as well. | 03:27 |
| macluvjay | i noticed but have no acct | 03:27 |
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| Esworp | b u r p ! | 05:42 |
| Esworp | :) | 05:43 |
| Esworp | why is it that i don't get to watch youtube videos anymore? i'm promped to install flash again. :( | 05:51 |
| * pupnik_ loves bash | 05:54 | |
| pupnik_ | my rena script for e.g: rena \^- "" \-* | 05:54 |
| pupnik_ | removes leading "-" from all filenames in directory | 05:54 |
| pupnik_ | duno maybe they change formats | 05:57 |
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| Esworp | i think that may be the case, UKTUBE fails, too. | 05:59 |
| Esworp | that sucks. | 05:59 |
| zerojayN800 | Odd. | 06:01 |
| zerojayN800 | Flash just doesn't work, period? | 06:03 |
| Esworp | unimstalling microb seemed to fix it. | 06:03 |
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| zerojayN800 | Next time, open the application menu, Tools -> Plugins and check that Flash is listed and enabled. | 06:05 |
| Esworp | it was shown. | 06:05 |
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| Esworp | uktube seems to hang and the resulting file is unplayable be mplayer. | 06:08 |
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| * Esworp wonders what he broke. | 06:08 | |
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| pupnik | http://www.filesaveas.com/images/psion5mx.jpg still blows me away how good this design is | 06:42 |
| alterego | I had one of those. | 06:43 |
| pupnik | yeah | 06:44 |
| lopz | bye | 06:45 |
| alterego | They were neat. The keyboards were the best I've ever had in a mobile device of that size. | 06:45 |
| pupnik | cu | 06:45 |
| pupnik | I'm hunting for a cheap replacement screen for mine | 06:46 |
| alterego | Good luck :/ | 06:46 |
| alterego | That's what's gone on mine. | 06:47 |
| pupnik | just cable? mine has a crack in screen | 06:47 |
| alterego | I've got a spare screen for a 3c. | 06:47 |
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| alterego | No, I used to have a nasty habit of breaking screens :( | 06:47 |
| alterego | Revo and 5MX both died through cracked screens. | 06:47 |
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| alterego | I think I've got a curse when it comes to portable devices :) | 06:50 |
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| pupnik | crap, the commodore pet used a BASIC licensed from... Bill Gates | 06:59 |
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| |R | Anyone know of a very portable headset with mic that has more power than the cheapo nokia? (I couldn't hear anything unless i pushed them with my fingers very hard with the volume at max while outside... :|) | 07:58 |
| |R | (or a 3 pin to 4pin + mic adapter) | 08:07 |
| c0ffee | i'd hope the bt headset support would work soon | 08:13 |
| |R | it was supported in OS2008 ? | 08:13 |
| |R | s/was/is/ | 08:13 |
| infobot | |R meant: it is supported in OS2008 ? | 08:13 |
| |R | ... and if it is, i need all my apps to be ported too ;) | 08:14 |
| |R | and then find a headset... | 08:14 |
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| c0ffee | oh there was some preliminary thing in os2007 that would only work one way | 08:18 |
| c0ffee | no idea what's the current status :-/ | 08:18 |
| |R | i heard it is now included... i hope it's true :) | 08:18 |
| |R | that would make the n8x0 a killer VoIP phone :) | 08:18 |
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| Rask330 | <pupnik> crap, the commodore pet used a BASIC licensed from... Bill Gates <- Why crap? X) | 08:23 |
| Rask330 | Most compies of the day did that. | 08:23 |
| Rask330 | For some reason, no one else knew how to write BASIC interpreters but MS. | 08:23 |
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| Rask330 | I don't know why... | 08:23 |
| wumpus | yeah my favourite computer back in the days, the MSX, had MS software too, seems even then they had some kind of monopoly :/ | 08:25 |
| cesman | Because M$ was chosen by IBM. If it is good enough for IBM, it is good enough for us. That is my theory at any rate... | 08:25 |
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| wumpus | then again, back in the time software was written specifically to perform well on that kind of hardware, so it wasn't the monster of their today OS's yet :) | 08:27 |
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| ffoegboy | hi all, can anybody tell me how to add a repositry so i can get the aplication loader to load the dependicies? | 08:55 |
| |R | tools -> application manager? | 08:58 |
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| ffoegboy | |R, when i do that i get unmet dependencies? | 08:59 |
| ffoegboy | Im trying to add gnumeric and get missing libxau0 | 09:01 |
| |R | uhm... if you do a search for libxau0 can you find the package for the n800 somewhere? | 09:02 |
| rafl | does karoliina do irc? | 09:02 |
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| czr | rafl, occasionally seen here, not very often | 09:07 |
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| rafl | i see | 09:11 |
| rafl | also sb-- # quilt without makefile glue | 09:11 |
| ffoegboy | |R i can find the package but how do i install it? | 09:14 |
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| |R | ffoegboy: you could always do it by hand in an x-terminal | 09:16 |
| |R | dpkg -i package_name.deb | 09:16 |
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| ffoegboy | |R do i use apt-get libxau0? | 09:20 |
| |R | well, if apt-get works, application manager should have worked | 09:21 |
| |R | (at least i think... i did most install by hand though ;) | 09:22 |
| rafl | what graphics hardware does the n800 have and what kind of output driver does it use? I wonder if one would be able to get some slow gl rendering using mesa. | 09:24 |
| pupnik | someone built mesa for it, and no - forget it | 09:24 |
| pupnik | there are software engines that run fast and are open source | 09:25 |
| pupnik | quake 1, quake 2, descent (d2x), and the duke nukem engine | 09:25 |
| rafl | too bad.. no libclutter then :-( | 09:26 |
| pupnik | neostrider has also written a 3d engine from the ground up for maemo - see the angstron project on garage | 09:27 |
| rafl | aye | 09:27 |
| pupnik | for pocket GL + linux, it's either N900 or Craiginator in 2008 | 09:28 |
| pupnik | neither is a sure bet tho | 09:29 |
| pupnik | but just for a benchmark reference, there's a Quake 3 arena running at 25 fps on the Dell axim with 624mhz xscale and Powervr mbx | 09:31 |
| pupnik | @ 640x480 | 09:31 |
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| rafl | pupnik: trunk/Toolkit in angstron scm, right? | 09:32 |
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| rafl | i really don't want opengl performance | 09:32 |
| rafl | i just wanted to build nice uis with some basic aimations and bling bling | 09:32 |
| pupnik | i haven't played with angstrom | 09:33 |
| pupnik | from the pictures, OS2008 does alpha compositing - might be interesting to see how when it comes out | 09:33 |
| suihkulokki | pupnik: hildon-desktop etc sources are out already | 09:35 |
| rafl | uh.. angstron has lots of comments, none of them in a language I understand. | 09:35 |
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| sciboy | pupnik, http://www.vincent3d.com/ | 10:09 |
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| pupnik | http://www.futuremark.com/images/products/3dmarkmobile/3dmarkmobilees20/3dmarkmobilees20_shot06_big.jpg?m=v powervr SGX can do a fair amount of polygons | 10:23 |
| pupnik | futuremark measured OpenGl ES1.1 system performance on TI's OMAP2420 processor exceeds 37 frames per second on Game Test 1 for both Operating Systems. http://www.futuremark.com/products/3dmarkmobile06/screenshots | 10:25 |
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| hell_home | hello | 10:40 |
| _Monkey | niihau, hell_home | 10:40 |
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| hell_home | what i can use like osso-xterm in my 4.0 sdk? | 10:40 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:42 |
| hell_home | Jaffa, | 10:43 |
| sciboy | pupnik, Personally I'd be quite happy with fixed-point software rendering at half or quarter res. | 10:44 |
| hell_home | so, btw, there is normal? - [sbox-SDK_BETA_X86: ~] > maemo-select-menu-location bash: maemo-select-menu-location: command not foun | 10:46 |
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| sciboy | pupnik, And that's still for just 2D game dev. simply because 3D animation tools are significantly easier to work with. | 10:46 |
| disq | morning | 10:49 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:49 |
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| disq | Jaffa: I had to add LocalAddr to the HTTP::Daemon constructor in mediaserv. (bogus hostname) | 10:49 |
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| disq | I will test it as soon as I figure out why 770-encode-launched mencoder exits with a 0 byte file but no error | 10:50 |
| sciboy | pixel doublign | 10:51 |
| sciboy | pixel doubling | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | disq: v0.04 *has* a LocalAddr in the HTTP::Daemon constructor | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Unless I fscked something up | 10:52 |
| disq | gah. i was using 0.01 | 10:52 |
| disq | had two seperate tarballs in ~ :) | 10:52 |
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| czr | meh, people writing HTML email should be.. educated. | 10:55 |
| disq | i still need to figure out what's wrong with mencoder though | 10:55 |
| disq | i get "Forcing output FourCC to 58564944 [DIVX]." and then two newlines and then "Exiting..." | 10:55 |
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| unique311 | hello alll | 10:57 |
| sciboy | Hi unique311. | 10:57 |
| unique311 | hey, just learned some good stuff on CA. | 10:58 |
| sciboy | Good to hear. =) | 10:58 |
| unique311 | i just got a digital camera. | 10:58 |
| unique311 | 10.1 megapix | 10:58 |
| sciboy | Sweet, mine doesn't have optical zoom or auto-focus. =/ | 10:58 |
| unique311 | and they told me it wasn't shit, if you don't have a descent lens it..lol | 10:58 |
| sciboy | It's quite useless. | 10:58 |
| unique311 | that sucks.. | 10:59 |
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| unique311 | sciboy, casio? | 10:59 |
| sciboy | Nah, some obscure taiwan brand. | 10:59 |
| unique311 | i have optical zoom.. | 10:59 |
| sciboy | Anyway, I'm installing the 3.1 SDK. | 11:00 |
| unique311 | cool... | 11:00 |
| unique311 | how's the game going? | 11:00 |
| keesj | I am very happy with my 770 SW from olympus . it's the kind of HARD ware i like | 11:00 |
| sciboy | unique311, Still working out engine issues, it doesn't seem like Gecko is going to handle it without some trouble. | 11:00 |
| unique311 | 770 SW from olympus? | 11:00 |
| sciboy | Jeebus, that's a lot of packages. =/ | 11:01 |
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| hell_home | os2008 - chinook? bora - os2007? | 11:02 |
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| unique311 | have to install soon...been screwing around with other stuff.. | 11:03 |
| hell_home | i install 4.0, but there are no packages for it :-) | 11:03 |
| unique311 | new record for me..didn't touch my n800 for 3 dayz. | 11:03 |
| * sciboy gasps. | 11:03 | |
| sciboy | Blasphemy! | 11:03 |
| unique311 | lol | 11:03 |
| sciboy | I've been chewing through PDF's. | 11:04 |
| unique311 | been messing with the ipod video..i know...sad | 11:04 |
| unique311 | i'll probably be all over my n800 once 2008 comes out. | 11:05 |
| sciboy | Same, I've been holding out from doing anything major until the new OS comes out. | 11:05 |
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| unique311 | notice that the ipod weights the same if not more than the n800. | 11:07 |
| sciboy | It has a hard drive... | 11:07 |
| sciboy | Anyway so far I've been quite impressed with the N800. | 11:09 |
| hell_home | so, what can i install, that i can run in emulator? Some different from hello world app | 11:10 |
| Jaffa | disq: this from 770-encode? GeneralAntilles (IIRC) had a similar problem on Mac OS X for no good or apparent reason. You could try `770-encode -m-v -m-v input output' to increase mencoder's verbosity | 11:10 |
| disq | i think it's mencoder | 11:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was mencoder here. | 11:11 |
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| disq | recompiling mplayer, installed some mp3 encoders :) | 11:12 |
| disq | also surprised to see debian's (lenny) mplayer package doesn't include mencoder | 11:13 |
| keesj | unique311: yes frmo olimpus | 11:13 |
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| unique311 | the name is 770 SW | 11:14 |
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| * sciboy tries to trick the sdk installation script into liking his 64-bit system. | 11:20 | |
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| sciboy | So far just linux32 and dpkg --force-architecture | 11:28 |
| sciboy | Not a fan of 32-bit chroots. =P | 11:28 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:30 |
| czr | vmware <3. | 11:30 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:46 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 11:46 |
| czr | hey lardman. how's the framebuffer thingy coming along? | 11:47 |
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| guardian | does the N810 have enabled 3D acceleration ? | 11:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, guardian. | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | No drivers. | 11:55 |
| guardian | ok same as N800 then | 11:56 |
| guardian | i wonder if the iphone has accelerated opengl | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I imagine so. | 11:56 |
| sciboy | It's the same hardware after all. | 11:56 |
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| Jaffa | sciboy: put up a post somewhere if you get anywhere. I don't want a 32-bit chroot either, and using VMware when I've already got a perfectly decent Linux system... | 11:59 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Just tried playing my TV shows from Video Center. They work there... just not when launching directly from the web browser. | 12:01 |
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| sciboy | Jaffa, So far so good. The usual tricks seem to be working. | 12:03 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: Interesting. Given I only demoed it for Youtube from Video Center to get most done in the shortest amount of time, that'd explain it. | 12:05 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: I've updated the bugs list. I'm not sure it's not a bug in microb, though. Similarly it doesn't like opening the .vcfg files which Opera does. Will need to retest when IT OS 2008 is out. | 12:07 |
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| zerojay | k | 12:07 |
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| guardian | what is the status of chinook ? | 12:16 |
| guardian | i installed the beta sdk but it's lacking packaging | 12:16 |
| guardian | and it never updated through apt-get | 12:16 |
| sciboy | Jaffa, This is my first time doing it though so I'm not sure whether what I've done is right in the first place. | 12:16 |
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| dolske | stupid Colloquy. | 12:17 |
| suihkulokki | guardian: ask maemo-devel | 12:17 |
| guardian | yeah i'm searching gmane atm | 12:18 |
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| sciboy | Jaffa, The framework appears to be working although I haven't tried compiling anything yet. | 12:25 |
| hell_home | guardian, same for me | 12:32 |
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| hell_home | guardian, seems like developers does not switch to new platform, even in maemo.org search tool there are no OS2008 tag | 12:34 |
| sciboy | So now I have an environment set up. | 12:35 |
| sciboy | ... =/ | 12:35 |
| guardian | well i don't even know if the filtering has been fixed on downloads.maemo.org | 12:37 |
| guardian | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1409 no update since august | 12:37 |
| guardian | seems migrating to midgard is really far from behind smooth :( | 12:37 |
| guardian | being i meant | 12:38 |
| sciboy | Apparently they have a new to rollout apparently. | 12:38 |
| hell_home | guardian, so, i am beginner in maemo, i don't know, that search never work correctly( | 12:38 |
| sciboy | Apparently ^6e100 | 12:38 |
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| sciboy | new version* | 12:38 |
| sciboy | My brain is fried. | 12:38 |
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| sciboy | Anyway now I have the environment setup do I grab debian armel packages and start building? | 12:40 |
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| sciboy | Oh and is it still recommended to go into "red pill" mode on the n800? | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't bother | 12:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | only activate it if you need something out of there. | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly it just clutters up the app manager. | 12:45 |
| sciboy | K. | 12:45 |
| pupnik | I <3 Spidergoats | 12:47 |
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| sciboy | o_o | 12:49 |
| sciboy | Spidergoats? | 12:49 |
| suihkulokki | google for camel spider <3 | 12:51 |
| * czr thanks suihkulokki for the educational break | 12:55 | |
| czr | now I know :-) | 12:55 |
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| * sciboy makes a sad face. | 13:00 | |
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| L0cutus | re | 13:00 |
| sciboy | Re? | 13:00 |
| czr | really energetic | 13:00 |
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| L0cutus | yup :) | 13:01 |
| sciboy | Hmmm... | 13:01 |
| L0cutus | i need a standard SIP client for my n800 | 13:01 |
| L0cutus | is this: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ ok ? | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be the SIP client | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | minus Gizmo | 13:02 |
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| L0cutus | thanks | 13:03 |
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| sciboy | Oh fuck | 13:08 |
| sciboy | FUCK | 13:08 |
| sciboy | D= | 13:08 |
| sciboy | Just ran rm -Rf in my REAL root, not the chroot. | 13:08 |
| * sciboy bashes his head against the desk. | 13:08 | |
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| sciboy | I now have a real disconcerting lack of a /bin | 13:09 |
| sciboy | I miss bash already. ;( | 13:10 |
| sciboy | Gotta love those moments of epic fail. | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . don't do things like that. :P | 13:11 |
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| sciboy | I need to back up all my stuff while my computer is still running. Cause it won't be booting up again. | 13:11 |
| czr | sciboy, vmware <3 ;-) | 13:12 |
| sciboy | Damn you | 13:12 |
| sciboy | >=| | 13:12 |
| sciboy | =P | 13:12 |
| czr | besides, sometimes sbox installation gets broken very badly and you end up removing a lot of stuff from your real root anyway. vms just provide the extra protection against stupidity :-) | 13:12 |
| lardman | czr: sorry for my late reply | 13:13 |
| sciboy | Noted. | 13:13 |
| lardman | czr: not bad, making some progress now | 13:13 |
| czr | lardman, np, cool. | 13:13 |
| lardman | I did just post to the list, but my email seems to be very slow today | 13:14 |
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| * czr nods | 13:14 | |
| czr | somehow the messages are not sent immediately to everyone. there have been close to 4 hour differences in people getting the emails. | 13:14 |
| * czr shrugs as to why | 13:14 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: thanks for the good comment on my video :) | 13:15 |
| lardman | czr: Anyway, fb access works on the 770, not on the n800, but I've established that large memory regions can be shared without running out of TLBs (unless they happen to be named FRAMEBUFFER, in which case I need to do more kernel digging to work out what's causing the problems on the n800) | 13:16 |
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| czr | lardman, ah, so it wasn't a TLB problem then? (I did read the emails so far couple of days ago), just the name was "reserved"? :-) | 13:17 |
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| lardman | czr: If a memory section is called FRAMEBUFFER it is handled differently, and we still run out of TLBs for some reason. But at least we now know that it's something specific to this case, rather than that we've run out for some other reason | 13:26 |
| * czr nods | 13:26 | |
| czr | sounds like some special kludge for some specific case ;-) | 13:26 |
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| lardman | yep, I need to look through the kernel code and see how much memory it tries to share for the framebuffer - It may be that it allocates less than 0x100000, in which case lots of TLBs would be needed. But it works on the 770... | 13:28 |
| lardman | ~lart MS Outlook for being rubbish and not telling me it's having troubles sending emails! | 13:30 |
| * infobot turns MS Outlook into a lifesized tux doll for being rubbish and not telling me it's having troubles sending emails! | 13:30 | |
| czr | heh | 13:31 |
| czr | outlook as a tux doll seems a bit radical though. kinky even. | 13:31 |
| lardman | not bad enough a punishment imo | 13:31 |
| czr | depends on who you give the doll to | 13:32 |
| * czr suggests sending it to ballmer | 13:32 | |
| pupnik | lardman: does mplayer use FB on N800? | 13:33 |
| * lardman suggests sticking pins in it a la voodoo | 13:33 | |
| lardman | pupnik: I think so | 13:33 |
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| czr | lardman, into ballmer or the doll? | 13:35 |
| lardman | lol | 13:35 |
| czr | former would be more enjoyable for me at least. | 13:35 |
| lardman | MDK: That's an interesting post about curve rasterization. Does this in any way apply to the N8X0.....? PowerVR, etc.? Or is this all more generic improvements for Cairo? | 13:39 |
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| sciboy | Found it! | 13:40 |
| lardman | the answer? | 13:40 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... the answer is 42. but what is the question | 13:40 |
| lardman | perhaps he found the question? | 13:41 |
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| sciboy | Okay downloading the debian installation image and hoping wodim can still burn it. | 13:45 |
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| sciboy | If it does, I'll be out of any real danger since I can still boot (don't have any live cd's around) | 13:49 |
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| sciboy | Nope didn't burn. =/ | 14:16 |
| sciboy | =( | 14:16 |
| sciboy | Bye. | 14:17 |
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| erstazi | howdy | 14:32 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, erstazi | 14:32 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 14:54 |
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| keesj | http://www.skype.com/intl/en/allfeatures/3skypephone/ | 15:08 |
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| * Tak dips a ruby in poison | 15:30 | |
| alterego | :O | 15:31 |
| Tak | did I tell you I have a rubygame demo running on the device? | 15:31 |
| alterego | Nope, is it cool? :) | 15:31 |
| Tak | lol - the demo isn't cool, because it's ~100li of my noob rubygame code | 15:32 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:32 |
| Tak | http://www.flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1760894875/ | 15:32 |
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| alterego | Well, if the button said "Don't Panic" it might be more useful ;) | 15:33 |
| alterego | That's neat though. Is the button just an image? | 15:34 |
| Tak | the button itself is an image, and the text is programmatically rendered | 15:34 |
| Tak | the rubygame package is only 59k, too | 15:34 |
| alterego | Neat. | 15:35 |
| alterego | Is that including SDL? | 15:35 |
| Tak | no. | 15:35 |
| Tak | do you mean SDL itself, or ruby bindings for SDL? | 15:35 |
| alterego | Ruby SDL bindings. | 15:36 |
| Tak | oh - all you need is rubygame | 15:36 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 15:36 |
| alterego | What does it use to render? | 15:36 |
| Tak | SDL | 15:36 |
| alterego | Or is it an SDL binding in it's own right? | 15:36 |
| Tak | but you ... yes | 15:36 |
| alterego | Oh, that's neat. | 15:36 |
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| alterego | I was about to send a message to the guy that owns the ruby project on maemo garage. | 15:37 |
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| alterego | His project is called ruby185. Which really isn't what I want my project called :/ | 15:37 |
| alterego | Well, my project isn't called that :) | 15:40 |
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| Tak | hmm - you can change the "Descriptive Group Name" | 15:41 |
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| alterego | Sure, but the project name will still be ruby185 which is wrong. | 15:41 |
| Tak | maybe it can be sorted out with the admins | 15:42 |
| alterego | For instance, The ruby version I'm using is 1.8.6-p110 at the moment. | 15:42 |
| alterego | Yes, maybe. Which is why I held off talking to him. I'd like to know more about what could be done in this regard. | 15:42 |
| * Tak nods | 15:43 | |
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| alterego | Because if it can't be renamed then I'd like them to reconsider allowing me to start a new project. Otherwise I'll continue to host everything on my own server. | 15:43 |
| alterego | Though, someone said that I don't have to have a garage project to use the extras repository? I'm not really sure how that all works .. | 15:44 |
| Tak | That's correct | 15:44 |
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| Tak | garage projects and the extras repo are separate | 15:45 |
| alterego | Right, so what benifits would I get from having a garage project? Obviously the maemo announcements of releases would be nice. | 15:45 |
| * Tak shrugs | 15:45 | |
| alterego | The garage is a good idea but it's kind of rubbish in some areas. | 15:47 |
| alterego | For instance, package searching is _really_ bad :/ | 15:47 |
| Tak | actually it seems to be ok on garage, but busted to hell on downloads | 15:48 |
| alterego | Oh, maybe I'm getting confused then :) | 15:48 |
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| alterego | Ideally the downloads section wouldn't exist and everything could be done via the application manager :) | 15:49 |
| Tak | yeah | 15:49 |
| alterego | Though, it's handy if you're thinking of getting a device and want to know what software is available, | 15:49 |
| Tak | if everything was in the extras repo, and the extras repo was enabled at install-time :-) | 15:49 |
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| alterego | Testing all these widgets is a pain in the ass. | 15:51 |
| alterego | It's also very time consuming :. | 15:51 |
| * alterego switches to testing ConIc again. | 15:52 | |
| Tak | I'm sure | 15:52 |
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| alterego | I'd also really like to test on real hardware but as 2008 doesn't come out for a while yet I'm stuck guessing that things might work properly ^_^ | 15:55 |
| Tak | hehehe | 15:58 |
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| alterego | Tak, would you be interested in testing the new packages? | 16:12 |
| alterego | I'm building for 2008 and 2007 at the moment. | 16:12 |
| Tak | sure | 16:13 |
| * Tak 2007HE | 16:13 | |
| _Monkey | 2007HE is really great | 16:13 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's fine. | 16:14 |
| alterego | I'll let you know when I've compiled and uploaded the packages. | 16:14 |
| Tak | cool | 16:14 |
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| alterego | Oh dear .. | 16:16 |
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| alterego | I need to reinstall the SDK .. | 16:19 |
| alterego | Well, my maemo3 targets .. | 16:24 |
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| sciboy | Hi | 16:36 |
| alterego | Aloha | 16:36 |
| * sciboy just finished bootstrapping debian... | 16:36 | |
| alterego | Nice :) | 16:37 |
| sciboy | It feels so wierd installing debian without repartitioning. =/ | 16:37 |
| sciboy | Anyone here familiar with irssi? I want to close a private message window. ("Act") | 16:37 |
| inz | wc? | 16:38 |
| inz | /wc, that is | 16:38 |
| sciboy | Yeah, thanks. =) | 16:38 |
| sciboy | Do I need to keep the server window open? | 16:38 |
| alterego | inz, you might be able to help me with this. I've getting loads of fakeroot errors after a manual SDK installation of 3.2 or 4.0beta :/ | 16:39 |
| sciboy | Oh and FYI, it's rather easy to install scratchbox on a debian amd64 system, dispite the use of 32-bit binaries, no need for chroot. | 16:39 |
| alterego | I've edited the nokia installer scripts to install to maemo{3,4}-sdk-{arm,i386} targets so I don't have to do a manual install. | 16:40 |
| alterego | sciboy, good to know :) | 16:40 |
| sciboy | You take the maemo-scratchbox-installer script and add "--force-architecture" after dpkg, and execute it under linux32 | 16:40 |
| inz | alterego, dunno, have you tried "sb-conf in -f"? | 16:41 |
| alterego | inz, yeah :/ | 16:41 |
| alterego | -F ;) | 16:41 |
| inz | yeah | 16:41 |
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| sciboy | I erased my /bin while trying to reconfirm though. | 16:41 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:41 |
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| alterego | Well, hopefully this will work. | 16:41 |
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| sciboy | Yeah, rm -Rf * was in my terminal history when I hit UP and enter. | 16:42 |
| sciboy | =( | 16:42 |
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| alterego | You only have to edit 3 lines in the nokia SDK installer scripts to change the target names, and they're right near the top. I'd recommend it to anyone wishing to use multiple targets. | 16:42 |
| alterego | Beats manually setting them up. | 16:42 |
| sciboy | I did it manually after the installer refused to install over itself again. | 16:43 |
| sciboy | and using rm led to my current predicament. | 16:43 |
| alterego | sciboy, just sb-conf remove SDK_ARMEL and SDK_X86 | 16:43 |
| sciboy | But from everything else I assume that the installation with the notes mentioned above, should work perfectly. | 16:43 |
| alterego | Cool. | 16:44 |
| sciboy | Personally, I may just use that vmware image for my own safety. ;| | 16:44 |
| sciboy | One sec, want to try closing the server window. | 16:46 |
| sciboy | Oh never mind, irssi warns that it's immortal. | 16:46 |
| alterego | I suppose the internet tablets would make an awesome MMORPG platform. | 16:47 |
| Tak | hah - I would *love* to see an nwn client | 16:48 |
| sciboy | Depends, if it's asynchronis and supports offline use, damn straight it would be! | 16:48 |
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| alterego | offline use? | 16:48 |
| alterego | You cruel person :P Why would you ever be offline with your tablet! | 16:48 |
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| sciboy | Actually I have a rough idea for a mass multiplayer strategy game, but it's been hiding in the "forget about it" pile due to the needed programming being outside the scope of my own skills. | 16:49 |
| sciboy | alterego: Don't have wifi in my room yet. | 16:49 |
| alterego | Oh, that's a shame. | 16:50 |
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| sciboy | Yeah, I'm keeping an eye open for a spare router to fix that though. | 16:50 |
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| erstazi | sciboy: WRT54GL's are inexpensive | 16:51 |
| erstazi | and you can put linux on them | 16:51 |
| sciboy | erstazi: Most of the stuff I find on ebay is inexpensive, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* | 16:51 |
| erstazi | haha | 16:51 |
| erstazi | sciboy: sometimes, but people go crazy over the Nokia tablets, they overpay! I got my Nokia 770 for $129, on ebay it was going for $150 - $200 | 16:52 |
| sciboy | I don't need any serious, it'll just take the ethernet already in my room and retransmit the signal. | 16:52 |
| sciboy | anything | 16:52 |
| _Monkey | anything is possible | 16:52 |
| erstazi | sciboy: retransmitting the single through adhoc from a pc or laptop? | 16:52 |
| sciboy | I use to think that, but I've become allergic to pain. | 16:52 |
| erstazi | haha | 16:53 |
| sciboy | erstazi: I have a WiFi AP on my door with an ethernet leading to my computer, making the distance that the signal can't. | 16:53 |
| sciboy | The idea is to take a router, pop it where my computer is, add a cable to the computer itself. | 16:54 |
| sciboy | I would go with ad-hoc if it wasn't for the nintendo consoles in the house. =/ | 16:54 |
| erstazi | haha | 16:54 |
| sciboy | I can't help it, I love playing with my Wii | 16:56 |
| sciboy | ... You'd think after some point that'd stop sounding so dirty. | 16:56 |
| alterego | Right, that seemed to have fixed my installation. | 16:57 |
| alterego | I wonder what the problem is. | 16:57 |
| zerojayN800 | someone's still playing wii? | 16:57 |
| alterego | With any luck I might be able to actually start developing applications soon. | 16:58 |
| sciboy | alterego: I wish you better luck than I had. | 16:58 |
| sciboy | And maybe some common sense too. | 16:58 |
| alterego | sciboy, how do you mean? | 16:58 |
| sciboy | Don't do rm -Rf * in your root directory. | 16:59 |
| alterego | Oh, hahah | 16:59 |
| alterego | What on Earth were you doing that as root for? | 16:59 |
| alterego | You shouldn't use your root account at all really. | 16:59 |
| alterego | Only when you really _need_ too .. | 16:59 |
| sciboy | I just finished clearing a directory out that required root permissions. | 16:59 |
| alterego | Though, I have done that myself quite a while ago. | 17:00 |
| alterego | Learned the hardway. Now everything is sudo this and sudo that. | 17:00 |
| sciboy | I moved on, but I hit enter a little too quickly upon using the command history. | 17:00 |
| alterego | Heh, I used to use rm *~ a lot. But sometimes I'd hit enter before I got to the ~ key :( | 17:01 |
| sciboy | A second was enough for it to take out /bin before I hit CTRL+C | 17:01 |
| alterego | Needless to say, now I just leave all the temporary files around the place. | 17:01 |
| alterego | svn ignores them anyway. | 17:01 |
| alterego | And I use svn a lot ;) | 17:01 |
| sciboy | Heh, I try to keep everything as normal user. | 17:01 |
| sciboy | But scratchbox didn't like that. | 17:02 |
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| sciboy | I'm a little deterred from installing it right now. | 17:03 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I just used the scratchbox debian repo to install it on my machine. | 17:03 |
| alterego | After partitioning a /scratchbox partition | 17:04 |
| sciboy | Anyone else want to try getting the blender game engine running at half-res on software rendering? Apparently it's quite easy to get it running, getting decent speeds in another issue altogether. | 17:04 |
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| sciboy | Ultimately I really want to do some super-low-poly games on it. | 17:07 |
| sciboy | Someone else says if you're using mesa to use the soft-float flag. | 17:08 |
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| lardman | why does soft-float mesa perform better than hard-float? | 17:09 |
| alterego | lardman, what hard float? | 17:09 |
| sciboy | lardman: Because kernel-level float emulation is apparently a whole bunch slower. | 17:10 |
| sciboy | At least that's what I read. | 17:10 |
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| lardman | oh I see, you're talking about letting the kernel trap the fp instructions | 17:10 |
| lardman | of course that will be slow | 17:11 |
| lardman | alterego: hardfloat as in hardware floating point on the n800 | 17:11 |
| alterego | The n800 doesn't have hardware floating point. | 17:11 |
| lardman | yes it does | 17:11 |
| alterego | Where? | 17:11 |
| sciboy | Wha? | 17:11 |
| lardman | hardware vfp | 17:11 |
| alterego | O_o | 17:11 |
| sciboy | o_O | 17:11 |
| lardman | most fp instructions are in hardware, some are emulated, it's not used in the Nokia images (binary size issues I think) | 17:12 |
| alterego | I don't remember seeing any FP hardware in the OMAP2410 .. | 17:13 |
| sciboy | Well it still stands, if someone can help me get blenderge going I'd be ready to repay it with game dev. for the N800. | 17:13 |
| lardman | 2420 isn't it? | 17:13 |
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| Tak | yeah, n800 has hardware vfp | 17:13 |
| alterego | lardman, yeah whatever. I didn't see any FP hardware. | 17:13 |
| lardman | Nokia use soft-float, but if you compile with the right flags (-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp) you too can use hw fp. Make sure you compile libm again though | 17:14 |
| lardman | alterego: I'll find you a link, hang on a tick | 17:14 |
| alterego | Cool, thanks. | 17:14 |
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| czr | lardman, do you have any info on the vfp available? clocks and such stuff. i.e., when it makes sense to use the vfp and when just leave at the soft fp | 17:16 |
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| lardman | czr: I don't have anything on actual instruction timings, I do have some benchmark data | 17:17 |
| czr | lardman, hmm. what were you benchmarking? | 17:17 |
| lardman | czr: a variety of benchmarks :) http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/ | 17:18 |
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| czr | so, other than those two flags (and either avoiding libm or rebuilding a private copy), it's really that simple? | 17:18 |
| lardman | yep | 17:19 |
| lardman | there are some bits on the ml too, e.g.: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/15646?page=last | 17:19 |
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| czr | thanks | 17:21 |
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| lardman | alterego: http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM1136JF-S.html | 17:21 |
| alterego | Nice thanks. | 17:21 |
| lardman | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0211j/index.html might be a better bet, technical manual | 17:22 |
| sciboy | Impressive! | 17:22 |
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| lardman | czr: In the url above (people.bath.ac.uk etc.) there's a hardware fp version of libm (static & shared) if you don't want to compile your own (i.e. link in or alter LD_LIBRARY_PATH for your app) | 17:23 |
| alterego | "optional floating point coprocessor" | 17:23 |
| alterego | Are you _sure_ the N800 has one? | 17:23 |
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| lardman | yep | 17:23 |
| sciboy | I'd really appreciate it if someone could get blender going, from the forum thread on the 770 attempt, it apparently compiles against mesa with no edits required. | 17:23 |
| alterego | sciboy, have you tried it yourself? | 17:24 |
| alterego | IF it's that easy, just do a ./configure make make install yourself. | 17:24 |
| czr | lardman, thanks. mainly thinking about 2d vector graphics wrt the fp stuff | 17:24 |
| lardman | alterego: compare the omap2420 processor type to the variant type that ARM say has the vfp unit (then look at the benchmarks ;) ) | 17:24 |
| alterego | If it works I'll think about packaging it. | 17:24 |
| alterego | lardman, okay :) | 17:24 |
| sciboy | alterego: I was going to before... my little accident happened, but honestly it'd take someone with a clue barely any time to do it while it'd take me ages since to be honest, I'm useless with anything low-level. | 17:25 |
| sciboy | C/C++ included. | 17:25 |
| alterego | You don't need to know how to program to compile. | 17:25 |
| alterego | You said this thread said there were no modifications required. | 17:25 |
| sciboy | Yep, although they recommended the softfp flag for mesa. | 17:26 |
| alterego | Don't get me wrong, I'd really like to see it work. I'm just _very_ busy with ruby-maemo | 17:26 |
| czr | lardman, interesting difference between O2 and Os (N800-fp-tests.txt). I thought that x86 was the only crippled CPU that gcc got more out of in Os mode. | 17:26 |
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| alterego | sciboy, the 770 doesn't have FP so you'd have to use softfloat on it. | 17:26 |
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| czr | lardman, damn, the dhrystone stuff looks very promising indeed. thanks man. | 17:27 |
| lardman | czr: np | 17:27 |
| sciboy | I'll brb, need to restart and see if all this bootstrapping business worked out after all. | 17:28 |
| lardman | czr: but I'd test rather than take the optimisation flags at face value, I don't know how the optimisation works, but I presume it's tailored to the code | 17:28 |
| sciboy | alterego: Ultimately though, in order to do decent animation/framerates on it I'd need to get it pixel-doubling. | 17:29 |
| czr | lardman, well, I know how gcc batters the code around for x86 with different flags. let's just say that I was suprised to see that the results are in line with expectations that I have on x86 with the different levels. | 17:29 |
| czr | (that being Os/O2 being the fastest normally) | 17:29 |
| lardman | czr: the moon was probably in the right bit of the sky, etc. ;) | 17:29 |
| czr | lardman, tell me about it :-) | 17:30 |
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| sciboy | alterego: And things like the hardware vfp would make a whole lotta difference to the performance. | 17:30 |
| alterego | sciboy, definitely, I'd say it's a must. | 17:30 |
| sciboy | Brb. =) | 17:30 |
| lardman | czr: the optimisation flags appear to me to be rather specific about how they speed up certain bits, it would be interesting to look at how/why some optimisations slow things down, but not enough hours in the day | 17:30 |
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| czr | lardman, they normally just enable/disable a bunch of other optimization flags | 17:31 |
| lardman | are the groupings the same across platforms? presumably not | 17:32 |
| czr | the funny bit is that with each gcc version, you'll need to rerun the benchmarks if you really are trying to find the "ultimateh combination". just not worth it most of the time. | 17:32 |
| czr | mostly yes | 17:32 |
| czr | most of the optimizations are architecture neutral. | 17:32 |
| czr | more to do with how gcc shifts stuff around | 17:32 |
| lardman | While we're looking at the ARM site, this is vaguely interesting ;) :) http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0344b/CHDICIAJ.html | 17:32 |
| lardman | which indicates that Jazelle needs to be enabled by writing to a coprocessor | 17:33 |
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| czr | lardman, any idea on which vfp will be used with gcc? vfp v2? | 17:34 |
| lardman | depends on the processor iirc | 17:35 |
| lardman | is that right? Or am i thinking of something else? | 17:35 |
| * czr does not know | 17:35 | |
| czr | I should probably get a proper arm tech manualset at some point | 17:36 |
| czr | ARMv7-A includes VFPv3 | 17:36 |
| lardman | there was a slightly old version (arm5) on the net somewhere | 17:36 |
| lardman | and a slightly newer one in Japanese that explains more about Jazelle | 17:36 |
| czr | mmh. not that much into jazelle though. | 17:36 |
| lardman | czr: I thought it would be interesting to learn about, but troublesome. | 17:37 |
| czr | yeah. my sentiments exactly | 17:37 |
| czr | I used to write java bytecode (using jasmin to compile into bytecode) many many years ago | 17:37 |
| czr | the whole thing left me feeling dirty and.. dirty. | 17:38 |
| lardman | I need to sumarise my findings and give up on it, too much patent/IP troubles to go any further me thinks | 17:38 |
| czr | indeed | 17:38 |
| lardman | the arm1136 is vfpv2 | 17:38 |
| czr | hmm. any tech ref on it anywhere? | 17:39 |
| lardman | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0274h/index.html | 17:39 |
| czr | ooh. just the thing :-) thanks. | 17:40 |
| zoran | some folks consider using non gcc compilers on linux, particularly on x386 | 17:40 |
| lardman | looks like GCC supports VFPv2 with VFPv3 called Neon | 17:40 |
| lardman | zoran: what for? Java? | 17:40 |
| zoran | tcc for example | 17:41 |
| zoran | not saying it is better | 17:41 |
| czr | tcc doesn't support anything but x86 | 17:41 |
| zoran | ah, c | 17:41 |
| czr | and probably never will. | 17:41 |
| czr | and the compiler had very different goals anyway. | 17:41 |
| zoran | looks correct | 17:42 |
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| czr | lardman: "Except for divide and square root operations, the pipelines support single-cycle throughput for all single-precision operations and most double-precision operations. Double-precision multiply and multiply and accumulate operations have a two-cycle throughput. " | 17:45 |
| czr | but that's for normalized data (it was said somewhere else) | 17:45 |
| lardman | so reasonably fast, I wonder if timings for the softvfp software implementation are available somewhere? | 17:46 |
| czr | and there's also execution timing chart for that.. | 17:46 |
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| czr | the latencies are quite long though. | 17:46 |
| czr | hmmph. | 17:47 |
| lardman | there are also some interesting DSP instructions to do operations in parallel | 17:47 |
| lardman | (that is instructions called "DSP" but which are on the ARM) | 17:47 |
| czr | yup | 17:47 |
| czr | I think that was infact Neon. | 17:47 |
| czr | at least according to the cortex-8 manual | 17:48 |
| asys3 | Does anybody know details about the GPS chip used in the N810? Is it a SIRF III chip ? | 17:48 |
| czr | it shares the fp registers with the vfp (similar to mmx on x86) | 17:48 |
| lardman | there are some on the 1136 as well though, not sure if they are called Neon or not | 17:48 |
| czr | hmm | 17:48 |
| AD-N770 | lardman,czr: some vfp functions that I wrote are at http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/liboil/liboil/liboil/arm/ | 17:48 |
| lardman | AD-N770: ah yes, I'd meant to say that you had experience with these instructions, my apologies | 17:49 |
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| czr | AD-N770, what did you use to model/measure the latency/throughput? | 17:50 |
| AD-N770 | czr: I used liboil features to bench the functions | 17:51 |
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| czr | ah ok. no instruction level modelling then? | 17:51 |
| AD-N770 | czr: but it was just a weekend experiment | 17:51 |
| * czr nods | 17:51 | |
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| AD-N770 | I couldn't find time to go more in depth on this yet | 17:52 |
| tamara | i don't mean to burst in here asking questions but | 17:53 |
| AD-N770 | czr: I found oprofile also usefull to bench some other assembly that I wrote | 17:53 |
| tamara | is there any way to replace busybox with full utils? | 17:53 |
| czr | AD-N770, sure. I was looking for something more low-level though. | 17:54 |
| lardman | tamara: install the utils you want, they will overwrite the busybox symlinks | 17:54 |
| tamara | the debs are in the apt archives for bash, bsdutils, etc | 17:54 |
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| tamara | ok, so just force overwrite and i won't break it? | 17:54 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: where are you reading about DSP instructions? | 17:55 |
| alterego | This is odd .. | 17:55 |
| lardman | AD-N770: on the arm1136 you mean? | 17:55 |
| alterego | My setup script finds hildon_sort_dialog_add_sort_key_reversed, but I get a implicit declaration error whilst compiling the source file :/ | 17:56 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: about your previous comment | 17:56 |
| lardman | AD-N770: can't remember, let me have a look | 17:58 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: are you refering to the edsp extension set that was also on the 770? | 17:58 |
| czr | lardman, AD-N770, thanks guys | 18:00 |
| lardman | AD-N770: That I don't know, what does edsp do? What I was talking about is the SIMD instructions, i.e.: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0211j/I1000175.html?resultof=%22%73%69%6d%64%22%20 | 18:00 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: I think that it refers to arm6 media instructions | 18:02 |
| lardman | it may be the same thing then - lots of acronyms for the same things | 18:02 |
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| AD-N770 | lardman: sample of edsp instructions introduced on arm5e is smultb, see at http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/armv4l/simple_idct_armv5te.S?view=markup | 18:03 |
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| AD-N770 | lardman: sample of arm6 media instruction is smuad at http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/armv4l/simple_idct_armv6.S?view=markup | 18:04 |
| lardman | thanks, I'll take a look | 18:05 |
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| sciboy | back. i'm in maemo now. | 18:07 |
| sciboy | can't seem to install grub on my pc | 18:09 |
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| sciboy_ | I know where you live sciboy! | 18:26 |
| sciboy_ | Oh and I'm back. | 18:27 |
| sciboy_ | Trying to sort out a grub issue. | 18:28 |
| zoran | or read a manual | 18:32 |
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| lmoura | xan, is libglade available somewhere (or will be) for chinook beta? | 18:35 |
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| lopz | hola | 18:40 |
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| xan | lmoura, it should be there AFAIX | 18:43 |
| xan | AFAIK | 18:43 |
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| sciboy | Yay working! | 18:52 |
| lmoura | xan, both default and extras repositories updated here but no glade, and the comparison table between alpha and beta says it was removed from beta. | 18:52 |
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| xan | lmoura, well, then I'm obviously missing something, I'm not involved in the SDK :| | 18:54 |
| lmoura | xan, ok, thanks anyway :) | 18:54 |
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| sciboy | Any devs out there want to help me out and port a 3d game engine over so I can develop some games for the N800 (and N810)? | 18:58 |
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| sciboy | Brb, just got X working. | 19:00 |
| sciboy | exit | 19:00 |
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| sciboy | There we go, now I can keep this darn window open. | 19:01 |
| alterego | sciboy, I might be able to help you soon. | 19:03 |
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| alterego | I've almost finished my release of ruby-maemo :) | 19:03 |
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| sciboy | Cool. =D | 19:03 |
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| zoran | alterego, for what os version and how big it is? | 19:04 |
| sciboy | I'm sorry about nagging, but this is the only major option I have for cranking out games. =/ | 19:04 |
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| mgedmin | bear in mind that there's no hardware 3d acceleration on the n8x0 (due to lack of hardware specs) and the cpu is not a very powerful one for realtime 3d | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | doom runs on a 770/n8x0 | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | I don't know if any more modern 3d game was ever ported | 19:05 |
| alterego | zoran, for 2008 and 2007 | 19:06 |
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| sciboy | Just for the record it uses scons, and you probably want to disable a bunch of options before starting, sound isn't too big a concern, I use python libraries to handle that anyway. | 19:06 |
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| zoran | alterego, gems? | 19:06 |
| alterego | zoran, no rubygems. | 19:06 |
| alterego | ruby, ruby-gnome2, ruby-hildon, ruby-conic, ruby-libosso | 19:07 |
| alterego | sqlite3 and libxml are optional. | 19:07 |
| alterego | Oh and SDL. | 19:07 |
| sciboy | mgedmin, I will be designing games to meet the hardware, if we can get something remotely decent out of the engine. | 19:07 |
| sciboy | mgedmin, I can get away with a bare minimum of 3 planes (6 tris) on screen and still make a good game. | 19:07 |
| alterego | Just as soon as I iron out the creases in my multi target build & packaging script. | 19:07 |
| sciboy | mgedmin, The more it's capable of, the more I can swap out pseudo 3d with real 3d. | 19:08 |
| alterego | I think it's almost done :) | 19:09 |
| alterego | zoran, rubygems on an embedded device is murder. | 19:11 |
| alterego | Until someone can come up with a fast embedded rubygems client it's not worth using it :/ | 19:11 |
| alterego | Admittedly having rubygems on the device would be amazing. Though it obviously can't compile binary extensions. | 19:11 |
| zoran | maybe gems on the memory card | 19:12 |
| alterego | It's not going to make it any faster :P | 19:13 |
| zoran | surely not | 19:13 |
| alterego | And without a compiler there's no real point IMO | 19:13 |
| zoran | but, it is a matter of proof of the concept | 19:13 |
| alterego | If I get the time. I might setup a gem "proxy" app. | 19:14 |
| * sciboy hugs python. | 19:14 | |
| zoran | some exclusive apps have their purpose for one or few users | 19:14 |
| alterego | Which hijacks scratchbox and cross-compiles the extension. Then caches the gems and sends them to the device. | 19:14 |
| zoran | alterego, I see perl and python as necessery to my 770 usage | 19:15 |
| alterego | Why Perl? | 19:15 |
| zoran | I like it at the first place | 19:15 |
| * alterego doesn't like Perl .. | 19:15 | |
| sciboy | alterego, I was actually considering using gecko to develop games, that quickly proved to be much sillier than getting blender working. | 19:15 |
| zoran | then my poppy pop3 server look up app is written in perl | 19:15 |
| alterego | Ah | 19:16 |
| zoran | and in python are written some great masterpieces: getmail for instance | 19:16 |
| sciboy | If I was completely stuck though, I guess I could get it to work, just with no end to the frustration and testing. | 19:16 |
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| alterego | sciboy, what kind of facilities do you need in a game engine to stop you whining? | 19:17 |
| alterego | :) | 19:17 |
| sciboy | alterego, Graphical development environment and high-level programming. | 19:17 |
| alterego | I still don't see why you don't just pick up pygame & python and hack something. | 19:17 |
| alterego | Bah | 19:17 |
| zoran | or navigate space ship using interactive prompt | 19:18 |
| sciboy | Because then I don't get to do what I'm good at, and spend most of my time rewriting the code instead of focusing on actual gameplay. | 19:18 |
| zoran | must be on arm? | 19:18 |
| sciboy | Which, when I could easily just jump into it on multi-platform development completely removes any prospect of me filling in some of the gaming gap on the maemo platform. | 19:19 |
| zoran | game making is not so easy and fun as one could think | 19:19 |
| zoran | make scenario first and ask people if they like the idea | 19:20 |
| sciboy | I know that, and having a ready-made game engine to abstract a lot of the tedious stuff makes a world of difference. | 19:20 |
| sciboy | Heck, it makes _all_ the difference. | 19:20 |
| zoran | maybe your game is already written | 19:21 |
| sciboy | It isn't, otherwise I would be reusing their engine. | 19:21 |
| alterego | There are lots of engines out there. | 19:22 |
| alterego | Your obsession with blender and graphical environments isn't very helpful. | 19:22 |
| sciboy | I can rapidly prototype new games in a month if I don't have to wrestle with the code all the time. | 19:22 |
| alterego | Not that I think you're obsessed or anything :P | 19:22 |
| alterego | A month? | 19:22 |
| sciboy | Of course I'm obsessed, I love doing this stuff. | 19:22 |
| glass | you could prototype a lot of ideas in a day with any language | 19:22 |
| alterego | I could program a game from scratch in a few days. | 19:23 |
| sciboy | A month, that's full art assets and core gameplay polished. | 19:23 |
| alterego | You said prototype :P | 19:23 |
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| sciboy | I do adventures and stuff, the amount of content tends to make it more demanding. =/ | 19:23 |
| zoran | what kind of games? | 19:23 |
| sciboy | That's a prototype to me, playable but lacking any additional features or major polish. | 19:23 |
| glass | yeah tahts in different ballpark | 19:23 |
| glass | adventures are a lot of scripting and etc | 19:24 |
| glass | whereas, doing a clone of an arcade style game can be very fast | 19:24 |
| sciboy | Bingo, art and scripting are the majority of it, (ignoring story for a bit) | 19:24 |
| zoran | there were text adventures | 19:24 |
| zoran | or elite with a lot of text | 19:25 |
| sciboy | Then scripting and story becomes the priority, still takes ages though. | 19:25 |
| sciboy | Those usually take more than a month, funnily enough graphics allow you to get away with simpler content. | 19:25 |
| zoran | no new idea == only sciboy would play that game | 19:25 |
| glass | there should be adventure game engines out there.. by boatloads, though if they're flexible enough for whats in your mind dunno | 19:25 |
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| sciboy | glass, I do action/adventure, faster paced than point'n'click. | 19:26 |
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| sciboy | Although I respect the shit out of the classics in that department. | 19:26 |
| zoran | my neighbors play a lot of complicated games including making cities, making wars etc; they are all the same, if I see them from aside | 19:27 |
| sciboy | Yeah, complicated games aren't my style, I like to bombard them with content rather than complicated mechanics. | 19:28 |
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| zoran | they _are_ all the same | 19:28 |
| sciboy | Although again when it comes down to it, it's usually only a novelty or two that sets them apart. | 19:28 |
| * glass has an idea for a tetris variation | 19:28 | |
| zoran | another color, another name, the same game | 19:28 |
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| glass | well, what they differ usually is in balances | 19:31 |
| sciboy | The core gameplay is the same, the overlying stuff is what changes. | 19:32 |
| zoran | not related to maemo. does someone use nokia 6233? | 19:33 |
| sciboy | Brb, restart. | 19:34 |
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| sciboy | Back | 19:39 |
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| * alterego watches as his beautiful build system does it's magick. | 19:39 | |
| alterego | I'm so proud I could weep. | 19:39 |
| Daniellion | Oh.. what did you do? | 19:40 |
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| robl^ | does anyone know of an active project to port php-gtk to maemo? | 19:40 |
| zoran | alterego, you sould write a manual etc | 19:40 |
| alterego | Heh, not that special really. I just wrote a script that will automatically build and package my packages for multiple targets. (armel,i386 for chinook and bora) | 19:41 |
| sciboy | robl^, People use PHP-GTK? | 19:41 |
| alterego | O_O | 19:41 |
| sciboy | Awesome! | 19:41 |
| alterego | People use PHP? | 19:41 |
| zoran | no 2006? | 19:41 |
| robl^ | sciboy: yup! and now that php-gtk2 is in beta, I can see more people using it | 19:41 |
| alterego | zoran, I've stopped support for 2006 | 19:41 |
| zoran | k | 19:41 |
| alterego | Packages for it are stull available. | 19:41 |
| zoran | site? | 19:42 |
| _Monkey | i guess site is sending the content in gzip TE | 19:42 |
| sciboy | 2006 is totally obselete. | 19:42 |
| alterego | If someone asks me to do it I will. I just don't see the point. I've not even installed a 2 series SDK in my scratchbox. | 19:42 |
| sciboy | obsolete* | 19:42 |
| zoran | 2006 is os for 770, as I see it | 19:42 |
| alterego | Update to 2007HE | 19:42 |
| zoran | k, no much graph apps for me | 19:42 |
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| sciboy | 770 is officially obsolete. | 19:43 |
| sciboy | 2006 is obsolete by association. | 19:43 |
| sciboy | If people used it on the new devices it might be a different matter though. | 19:44 |
| zoran | 770 is great dude | 19:44 |
| robl^ | and 2007 will soon be obsolete. 2008 is the future! ;-) | 19:44 |
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| sciboy | robl^, It'll take some months but yeah. =P | 19:45 |
| alterego | Yeah, I can't see me building for 2007 much longer. | 19:45 |
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| alterego | The only reason I am is so I can test on the device. | 19:45 |
| alterego | I spent most of the afternoon getting my OS2008 extensions to compile on OS2007 :/ | 19:45 |
| zoran | recall ipaq people supporting 5-8 years old hardware? | 19:45 |
| alterego | zoran, this isn't hardware. | 19:46 |
| zoran | linux on ipaq | 19:46 |
| alterego | This is software. If you're not going to update that's your problem. | 19:46 |
| sciboy | As far as I could tell, the 770 was a test platform to spark development. | 19:46 |
| robl^ | has 2008 been released for the n800 yet? | 19:46 |
| sciboy | It was bound to be dropped rather quickly. | 19:46 |
| alterego | robl^, no. | 19:46 |
| alterego | zoran, do you only have a 770? | 19:47 |
| Daniellion | i worry they will drop the 810 too | 19:47 |
| Daniellion | when do they go on sale anyway? | 19:47 |
| alterego | Of course they will. | 19:47 |
| alterego | Mid Nov. | 19:47 |
| sciboy | Daniellion, They will, not for the next couple of years though. | 19:48 |
| zoran | alterego, yes | 19:48 |
| alterego | zoran, that's a shame. | 19:48 |
| zoran | hm | 19:48 |
| alterego | How long have you had it? | 19:48 |
| zoran | my face is red | 19:48 |
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| zoran | almost a year | 19:48 |
| sciboy | Unless there's serious hardware defects, like the "GPS" leaking antimatter into the atmosphere. | 19:49 |
| alterego | The 770 is still nice. | 19:49 |
| Daniellion | So you think that the 810 will be around a bit | 19:49 |
| zoran | I _really_ liek it | 19:49 |
| sciboy | Then they'll drop it faster than a hot 770. | 19:49 |
| alterego | And with 2008HE being released for it I don't see why people should stop using it. | 19:49 |
| Daniellion | though yeah i keep forgetting they supported the 770 and its been around for years and its still a great device | 19:49 |
| Daniellion | yeah | 19:49 |
| Daniellion | you mean 2007 HE | 19:49 |
| alterego | Officially supporting the hardware is not an issue in my problem. | 19:49 |
| Daniellion | not 2008 | 19:49 |
| Daniellion | 2008 is the 810's right | 19:49 |
| alterego | Daniellion, no, I mean 2008HE | 19:49 |
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| alterego | It will be released. | 19:50 |
| Daniellion | its already being hacked and worked on? | 19:50 |
| sciboy | The 770's will get the hackers edition of 2008. | 19:50 |
| alterego | It's being worked on. | 19:50 |
| alterego | Just like I'm sure the N8X0 will have OS2010HE | 19:50 |
| alterego | :) | 19:50 |
| Tak | haha, I wonder if they'll ramp the 770 cpus up to 250 MHz with os2008 | 19:50 |
| sciboy | Tak, I look forward to the resulting explosions. | 19:51 |
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| zoran | the point would be to tweak consumption down | 19:51 |
| Daniellion | i used to overclock the w-mobile devs | 19:52 |
| Daniellion | they got kinda flaky ehehe | 19:52 |
| sciboy | The LCD chip will be all like "OMG HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER 5000!" and promptly go white before igniting any liquids whether they be incased in meat or not. | 19:52 |
| zoran | no smoke? | 19:52 |
| sciboy | On that note, I'm most likely delirious with sleep deprivation. | 19:52 |
| sciboy | No smoke, just steam. | 19:53 |
| zoran | I recall the smoke my desktop made some time ago | 19:53 |
| sciboy | Super-heated-steam, that melts anything upon contact. | 19:53 |
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| * zoran gone to talk to dragons about fire usage | 19:56 | |
| * sciboy passes his stash of pot to zoran. | 19:56 | |
| sciboy | In case you need to sedate them. | 19:56 |
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| alterego | w00t | 20:02 |
| alterego | ruby1.8-maemo is packaged :) | 20:03 |
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| sciboy | Congrats! | 20:03 |
| Tak | anybody know where the keyboard layout files are stored? | 20:03 |
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| Tak | aha, found in /usr/share/keyboards | 20:07 |
| _gpg_ | hello | 20:08 |
| _Monkey | niihau, _gpg_ | 20:08 |
| _gpg_ | _Monkey niihau | 20:08 |
| _Monkey | salut, _gpg_ | 20:08 |
| _gpg_ | _Monkey salut ! | 20:08 |
| _Monkey | _gpg_: huh? | 20:08 |
| _gpg_ | omg | 20:08 |
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| _gpg_ | i'm having a hard day lol | 20:09 |
| Daniellion | oawww | 20:10 |
| _gpg_ | talking to a bot :) | 20:10 |
| _gpg_ | i've a question more related to the use of linux in embedded system, hope i can have some suggestion | 20:10 |
| Daniellion | Yeah.. thats not healthy | 20:10 |
| Daniellion | ;) | 20:10 |
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| _gpg_ | i finally got agrement from my boss to port our vxworks roject to linux (great, yet annother telematic box running linux) | 20:11 |
| _gpg_ | i know maemo, gmae poject and would like to know if some of you know other projects like them | 20:13 |
| sciboy | http://cgi.4chan.org/gif/src/1193640881680.gif <- I love this stuff. | 20:13 |
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| Jiten | vx: qtopia is another embedded system running on top of linux | 20:23 |
| Jiten | also take a look at openmoko. | 20:24 |
| Jiten | and openembedded | 20:24 |
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| vx | Jiten ty | 20:29 |
| sciboy | GPE? | 20:29 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it GPE is an environment kind of like Maemo | 20:29 |
| sciboy | No wayz | 20:29 |
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| Tak | hmm - is there a sanctioned way of obtaining the keyboard layouts in xml format? | 20:33 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Can someone please help me set up the repo for Pidgin? I can't get the binary-all portion to work. | 20:37 |
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| _|Nix|_ | http://idefix.go-nix.ca/nix/dists | 20:37 |
| _|Nix|_ | I have the "all" architecture listed in the Release file, yet, when I do an apt-get update, it doesn't seem to pick it up. | 20:37 |
| pupnik | new word(bird) | 20:39 |
| * alterego contemplates scheme-maemo | 20:40 | |
| alterego | I wouldn't really use it for anything though. | 20:40 |
| Tak | if(:bird == word) then puts('Everybody knows that the bird is the word!'); end | 20:40 |
| alterego | Ruby maemo would be what I'd use for development. | 20:40 |
| alterego | :) | 20:41 |
| alterego | puts "Everybody knows that there are no bird words!" unless :bird == word | 20:41 |
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| Daniellion | where was a link to the os2008he? i can only google ref. 2007he | 20:43 |
| alterego | Daniellion, OS2008 isn't released yet. | 20:44 |
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| Daniellion | Nods | 20:45 |
| Daniellion | I know | 20:45 |
| Daniellion | I jsut thoght when i walked in someone referenced a hacker ed. of 2008 .. which i thought odd | 20:45 |
| alterego | I said that there will be a 2008HE | 20:46 |
| alterego | I never said it was already out. | 20:46 |
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| Daniellion | Ohhh i see ;) | 20:49 |
| pupnik | did nokia announce a 2008he? | 20:50 |
| Tak | somebody official announced it | 20:51 |
| Tak | maybe quim | 20:51 |
| alterego | Well, psuedo official. | 20:52 |
| alterego | I don't there there's anything official with regards to the 770 anymore ;) | 20:53 |
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| Tak | aha - http://idoru.metadreams.net/~kimju/src/maemo/decode_vkb/ | 21:01 |
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| alterego | Groovy. | 21:03 |
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| * sciboy sighs. | 21:31 | |
| timeless | wanna really sigh? | 21:31 |
| sciboy | My wacom tablet isn't going to work. =/ | 21:31 |
| timeless | try turning off images in your web browser and visiting nokia.com | 21:31 |
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| szucsati | hi | 22:12 |
| szucsati | is there a channel for general hw questions about n800? | 22:13 |
| alterego | This is the only internet related IRC channel I know about. | 22:13 |
| alterego | You might as well ask here :) | 22:13 |
| szucsati | ok :) | 22:14 |
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| alterego | s/internet/internet tablet/ | 22:14 |
| szucsati | so I just got my n800 and there are two strange things about it: | 22:14 |
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| szucsati | the display's color is "cold", colder than 770 was | 22:14 |
| alterego | 1) it's smaller than you thought. 2) It's heavier. | 22:14 |
| alterego | I'm not sure what you mean by "colder". | 22:15 |
| szucsati | and the wifi produces huge packet losses... | 22:15 |
| alterego | Woah, | 22:15 |
| alterego | That that's interesting. | 22:15 |
| alterego | I think you should probably get it looked at. | 22:15 |
| alterego | Unless the packet loss is not related to the N800 | 22:15 |
| robl^ | could be the WAP | 22:16 |
| szucsati | cold: you know you can adjust your monitor's colour profile, there are cold and warm profiles.. so basically blue and red | 22:16 |
| alterego | How are you testing for packet loss? | 22:16 |
| chx | http://www.bell.ca/shop/en_CA_AB/Sme.Sol.Wireless.Hardware.Novatel.U720.page would something like this work with the N8x0 ? With a power injector hack, maybe using a http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html battery like this? | 22:16 |
| chx | szucsati: hey | 22:16 |
| szucsati | i'm pinging it from my desktop | 22:16 |
| chx | szucsati: how much is the N800 in Hungary now? and, is there info when/how much N810 will be ? | 22:16 |
| suihkulokki | szucsati: have you tried more than one access point? what access point do you have? | 22:17 |
| szucsati | because I felt the wifi working bad (for example the application manager's downloads hangs for a while than continues) | 22:17 |
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| alterego | chx, isn't that just a wireless card? | 22:18 |
| szucsati | chx: there's no 770/n800/n810 in the Hungarian market.. :( I bought my 770 in England and ordered my N800 from USA | 22:18 |
| chx | szucsati: that's fien with me | 22:18 |
| chx | alterego: It's a USB modem | 22:18 |
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| szucsati | suihkulokki: I tried it in a public wlan, and I felt the same when I was browsing, sometimes it didn't work and worked again, so I gues there were some packet losses | 22:19 |
| szucsati | my ap is a Fonera router, worked fine with the 770 | 22:20 |
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| szucsati | robl^: how do you mean "could be the WAP"? does the n800 have problems with wap encoding? | 22:21 |
| alterego | Have you tried reflashing it? | 22:22 |
| robl^ | szucsati: I had a wireless access point that was starting to act up. it began dropping packets | 22:22 |
| alterego | Well .. Flashing it .. | 22:22 |
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| suihkulokki | szucsati: fonera has problems with wlan power managment (search their forums) | 22:23 |
| szucsati | it came with the previous firmware, I flashed the latest but both did the same | 22:23 |
| alterego | Sounds like you've got a bad one. | 22:24 |
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| akai--- | hi | 22:26 |
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| szucsati | strange, there's no ping from my n800, but can use the browser.. | 22:29 |
| alterego | Are you sure you're on the same network? | 22:30 |
| alterego | I tried pinging my N800 once, didn't get anything then released I'd been remotely logged into one of my servers the whole time ^_^ | 22:30 |
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| szucsati | :) | 22:31 |
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| szucsati | oh cool, it was because of i was on the fonera's public signal maybe icmp packets are blocked there | 22:32 |
| szucsati | now i'm pinging my main router (wrt54gl), seems to be fine now.. | 22:32 |
| akai--- | can I format my memory card to fat32? and the swap will work then? | 22:33 |
| alterego | akai---, yes | 22:33 |
| szucsati | akai---: yes and you should I think, better than fat16 | 22:33 |
| akai--- | hmm is using gparted from a pc a wise idea when nokia works as the card reader? | 22:34 |
| akai--- | my regular reader doesn't mount this card -_- | 22:34 |
| alterego | akai---, that's how I did all my partioning. | 22:34 |
| alterego | s/partioning/partitioning/ | 22:35 |
| infobot | alterego meant: akai---, that's how I did all my partitioning. | 22:35 |
| flip^ | has anyone ever tried using tversity to provide media (video) to a n800? | 22:35 |
| szucsati | hm.. strange, the ping seems to be fine now | 22:36 |
| alterego | There probably isn't anything wrong. | 22:36 |
| szucsati | let's see if I can download a bigger file | 22:36 |
| alterego | As far as the "cold" screen. I think maybe the backlight on the N800 is more white/blue than the 770's. | 22:37 |
| alterego | The 770 has some weird film over it too. | 22:37 |
| szucsati | yes, but sometimes webpages just doesn't work, but they do on my pc at the same time | 22:37 |
| alterego | Exactly the same time? | 22:38 |
| szucsati | and sometimes I can't refresh application lists because after downloadin a 2KB list the app manager hangs.. | 22:38 |
| alterego | Well, maybe there's something wrong with the web pages. | 22:38 |
| szucsati | one of them was maemo.org :) | 22:38 |
| alterego | Which is far from perfect :P | 22:39 |
| alterego | Well, it may be a hardware failure. | 22:39 |
| alterego | It might also be something wrong with your router. | 22:39 |
| alterego | What is the signal strength like? | 22:40 |
| suihkulokki | 22:23 < suihkulokki> szucsati: fonera has problems with wlan power managment (search their forums) | 22:40 |
| szucsati | 100% the router is 3metres from here, and has a fontenna | 22:40 |
| suihkulokki | ...but feel free to continue to ignore me | 22:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:40 |
| szucsati | suihkulokki sorry I didn't ignore you :$ already opened their site for searching but didn't answer :$ | 22:41 |
| szucsati | so what power management..? | 22:41 |
| alterego | Hmm .. Maybe I should remove tk .. | 22:41 |
| alterego | Pfft, neah. | 22:41 |
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| alterego | I probably should trim down the library a bit though. | 22:42 |
| suihkulokki | szucsati: http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?t=3451&highlight=n800 | 22:43 |
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| pupnik | "You don't see ducks getting on elevators to fly south for the winter." | 22:46 |
| szucsati | suihkulokki: does this happen with the latest 2007HE? or just with N800+2007? | 22:47 |
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| Pretoriano | hi | 22:48 |
| szucsati | hi | 22:48 |
| Pretoriano | anyone can help me with scratchbox? | 22:48 |
| Pretoriano | i'm alredy on #scratchbox but is a little empty | 22:49 |
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| pupnik | what version scratchbox. did you install from tgz, deb or Vmware image? | 22:49 |
| Pretoriano | scratchbox for bora | 22:50 |
| Pretoriano | 3.2 | 22:50 |
| Pretoriano | from tgz | 22:50 |
| Pretoriano | im having problems compiling a package | 22:50 |
| Pretoriano | sbox-arm-linux-gcc: /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so: No such file or directory | 22:50 |
| Pretoriano | but i'm sure that it exists | 22:50 |
| Pretoriano | lrwxrwxrwx 1 pretoria 5407 26 Oct 28 21:54 /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so -> libpangoxft-1.0.so.0.800.1 | 22:50 |
| suihkulokki | szucsati: I think HE still has the old kernel and wlan driver without wlan power managment support | 22:51 |
| szucsati | hm.. ok.. I had my 770 with HE onlyne for 6,5 hours once :) | 22:51 |
| szucsati | onlyne > online.. | 22:51 |
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| szucsati | and.. does the N800 need the 52mhz + multiblock write hack or is it just for 770+mmc? | 22:56 |
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| szucsati | hm, now i'm having an application downloading hang, but the pings are fine.. | 23:00 |
| alterego | Maybe the problem is somewhere else then. | 23:00 |
| alterego | Why don't you do what suihkulokki said | 23:00 |
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| szucsati | can you ping maemo.org now? | 23:01 |
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| alterego | No | 23:01 |
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| szucsati | wow, great news :) | 23:01 |
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| szucsati | Krinyo says something about the freewlan addon that can help about this power management problem, i'll ask him (i know this guy) about it | 23:02 |
| szucsati | i mean in the topic that suihkulokki linked | 23:03 |
| Jaffa | re | 23:03 |
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| sciboy | Hazzah, computer is now ready to roll! | 23:04 |
| sciboy | Oh, need to get the right time set first. =/ | 23:05 |
| szucsati | suihkulokki: the topic says N800 doesn't work with Fonera anymore - does it mean somebody can't even connect to the router? | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 23:05 |
| sciboy | Woah WTF, daylight savings. | 23:07 |
| * sciboy adjusts _ALL_ his clocks. | 23:07 | |
| szucsati | sciboy: are you late from work? :) | 23:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:07 |
| alterego | Everyone's been complaing about that today. | 23:08 |
| sciboy | szucsati, ... Well if this was recent, I should've been but no i haven't had any complaints yet. | 23:08 |
| sciboy | alterego, You releasing that ruby package soon? | 23:08 |
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| alterego | sciboy, iminently | 23:08 |
| alterego | In about 10 minutes :) | 23:08 |
| szucsati | yesterday we adjusted all the clocks, including dvd, hi-fi etc, today we had a power cut.. | 23:08 |
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| sciboy | Oooh goody. =D | 23:09 |
| alterego | Just compiling the last set of packages now. | 23:09 |
| alterego | Then I've got to upload them. | 23:09 |
| sciboy | To garage? | 23:10 |
| alterego | No, maemo.rubyx.co.uk | 23:10 |
| sciboy | K. | 23:10 |
| szucsati | btw packages: http://tuxrecife.blogspot.com/2007/10/abiword-ready-to-maemo-4x.html | 23:10 |
| alterego | I can't wait to use abiword. | 23:10 |
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| alterego | It'll make documenting more fun. Because I can do it in the pub! | 23:11 |
| * sciboy replies to a debian bug with the fact that an upstream release has had the issue fixed for a couple of months now. | 23:11 | |
| sciboy | You'd think they'd notice, with it being an extremely serious show stopper. =/ | 23:11 |
| alterego | Yeah, you'd think ;) | 23:11 |
| sciboy | Well I don't care either way now, I'm using the upstream version. | 23:11 |
| szucsati | yes abiword will be a big step :) | 23:12 |
| sciboy | Who here has a bluetooth keyboard? | 23:12 |
| alterego | Not me. | 23:12 |
| szucsati | sciboy: i will have in a few days (fingers crossed) | 23:12 |
| alterego | szucsati, does it go fullscreen? | 23:12 |
| sciboy | I was half expecting the entire to chime in with "Me!" | 23:13 |
| sciboy | entire channel* | 23:13 |
| |R | has anyone seen working nat modules for the latest OS2007? | 23:13 |
| szucsati | szucsati: abiword? i don't know, haven't tried, i'm waiting for a deb :) | 23:13 |
| * sciboy changes his assumptions accordingly. | 23:13 | |
| szucsati | i mean alterego, not me.. | 23:14 |
| |R | sciboy : i do | 23:14 |
| alterego | Oh, sorry :) | 23:14 |
| alterego | I thought you did the port. | 23:14 |
| sciboy | alterego, I have a lot of love for interpreted languages, there's nothing quite like rewriting functions while the application (aka. game) is still running and seeing the results. | 23:14 |
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| alterego | sciboy, I think you mean dynamic languages ;) | 23:15 |
| alterego | Sure, Ruby is interpreted. But Python isn't. | 23:15 |
| sciboy | Since when? | 23:15 |
| alterego | And Ruby wont be interpreted for much longer as YARV is being released with Ruby2.0 | 23:15 |
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| alterego | Python gets compiled into bytecode sciboy. | 23:16 |
| alterego | It has a VM and everything :P | 23:16 |
| sciboy | alterego, I swear that still counted as interpreted though. | 23:16 |
| alterego | Well, you could call a VM an interpreter. But it isn't really. It's a VM. | 23:17 |
| szucsati | alterego: nope; wish I could do a porting, i would port extcalc | 23:17 |
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| * sciboy sets up a little sync script for his N800.. | 23:19 | |
| * alterego builds the last module. | 23:20 | |
| alterego | The "ruby-maemo" module .. | 23:20 |
| alterego | :) | 23:20 |
| alterego | This one takes ages though. | 23:20 |
| alterego | Bugger I've lost my stylus. | 23:21 |
| alterego | Aha | 23:21 |
| szucsati | here, take mine | 23:21 |
| szucsati | -----> | 23:21 |
| alterego | I had it behind my ear for some reason .. | 23:21 |
| * |R wonders if anyone is using iptables -t nat or -t mangle on the n800... | 23:23 | |
| szucsati | it seems like the whole maemo.org is half dead, it was just bad luck that I thought my beloved n800 is faulty | 23:24 |
| alterego | Hahah | 23:24 |
| alterego | szucsati, happens to the best of us ;) | 23:24 |
| szucsati | probably nokia's uploading the 2008OS for n800, that's why the server is slow now ;) | 23:25 |
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| alterego | I doubt it. | 23:25 |
| alterego | They only need to upload it once and you'd think they'd have the bandwidth, and some ;) | 23:25 |
| sciboy | maemo.org is always slow for me. | 23:25 |
| alterego | I can't say I've had too many problems with it. Just the occasional SSL area fault. | 23:26 |
| sciboy | Gosh Jaiku is such a tease. | 23:26 |
| sciboy | It's always when you're looking for an invitation you have a hard time getting one. | 23:26 |
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| sciboy | Oh dear, seems that the upstream version is giving me segfaults. | 23:28 |
| sciboy | =| | 23:28 |
| a2ee | Hello folks. Anyone here running POSE on the N800? | 23:29 |
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| a2ee | I'm an old die-hard Palm user, and having a working POSE port in the N800 would make migrating to it really irresistible ;-) | 23:33 |
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| L0c-[N800] | what is pose ? | 23:34 |
| L0c-[N800] | :) | 23:34 |
| sciboy | Palm emulator mainly for developers. | 23:34 |
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| alterego | I have a Palm T|T3 | 23:37 |
| alterego | I installed Linux on it. | 23:37 |
| amr | i used to love my palm | 23:38 |
| alterego | Mine does nothing now. | 23:38 |
| amr | my m515 (old school) sits in my drawer being unused | 23:38 |
| alterego | It's probably completely dead. I stopped using it after I couldn't get BT to work :/ | 23:38 |
| amr | i had infrared | 23:38 |
| amr | that was it :| | 23:38 |
| alterego | :) | 23:38 |
| alterego | I don't think I could get the IR working either. | 23:38 |
| amr | lol | 23:38 |
| a2ee | L0c-[N800]: It's a palm emulator, but not just for developers :-) In fact, when my palm IIIxe died an untimely death a few years ago, I brought up POSE on my laptop and restored my Palm backups into it... was able to go on palming while the replacement didn't arrive | 23:38 |
| alterego | Though I didn't actually try. | 23:39 |
| a2ee | POSE on a linux laptop is quite usable, my question is whether that's the case on a N800 | 23:39 |
| amr | i could never get the serial connection working | 23:39 |
| amr | i swear i saw a palm emulator on ITT | 23:39 |
| a2ee | amr: what's ITT? | 23:39 |
| _Monkey | ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums | 23:39 |
| a2ee | _Monkey: thanks | 23:40 |
| _Monkey | a2ee: de rien | 23:40 |
| alterego | Well, now this is done. I can start to relax a bit more. | 23:41 |
| alterego | Maybe release once every couple of weeks | 23:41 |
| L0c-[N800] | i've see a video on youutube with palmos running on n800 | 23:42 |
| alterego | I thought that was the newton OS | 23:42 |
| L0c-[N800] | dunno if it was a fake or not | 23:42 |
| szucsati | if i have a navkit for n800 will I get a full wayfinder licence after installing os2008 for free? | 23:45 |
| L0c-[N800] | this f*cking bt keyboard while i'm cooonnected via bt whiiith my phone ,doess repeat chars every time :( | 23:45 |
| L0c-[N800] | any idea on how to fix ? | 23:46 |
| a2ee | Loc-[N800]: located the video, it's here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sPF19gypbGo | 23:46 |
| a2ee | Loc-[N800]: thanks for the tip | 23:46 |
| szucsati | L0c-[N800]: i thing n800 doesn't really ready to use keyboards... | 23:46 |
| sciboy | alterego, Again, congrats. =) | 23:46 |
| szucsati | if anyone wants a bt keyboard for cheap I found some on ebay.com, Microsoft Elite keyboard for 16.5usd + p&p | 23:48 |
| szucsati | i hope it will work with my n800 | 23:48 |
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| szucsati | although this is a full size keyboard :( but it's cheap :) | 23:48 |
| alterego | The last compilation. | 23:48 |
| L0c-[N800] | szucsati, is it hid ? | 23:50 |
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| szucsati | I hope yes | 23:50 |
| szucsati | if not I wasted the money | 23:50 |
| pupnik | the end of biological aging and the cure for cancer? | 23:52 |
| pupnik | nm sorry | 23:52 |
| a2ee | pupnik: please add me to your list :-) | 23:53 |
| pupnik | still working out the bugs | 23:54 |
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| DanyUP | hello? | 23:55 |
| szucsati | hello! | 23:55 |
| DanyUP | Can I ask for help here? | 23:55 |
| szucsati | yes, these guys seems to be friendly and helpful :) | 23:56 |
| DanyUP | Nice! I'm having problems installing Maemo SDK Gregale under linux | 23:56 |
| szucsati | seems > seem :$ | 23:56 |
| pupnik | if you don't get an answer right away, try again later | 23:57 |
| alterego | And that's a wrap. | 23:57 |
| pupnik | and leave chat client in channel in case of a response | 23:57 |
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| pupnik | done with conic alterego ? | 23:58 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo-0.2.0 | 23:58 |
| alterego | Including LibConIc, LibOSSO and Hildon-1 | 23:58 |
| pupnik | congrats | 23:58 |
| L0c-[N800] | i want to try ruby on n800 | 23:59 |
| alterego | Then you've come to the right place. | 23:59 |
| L0c-[N800] | is it usable as python ? | 23:59 |
| pupnik | seems to rune fine here | 23:59 |
| alterego | Yup | 23:59 |
| L0c-[N800] | is it usable as python ? | 23:59 |
| L0c-[N800] | ops | 23:59 |
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