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| ryoohki | is there a yum install for maemo for centos4/rhel4? | 00:13 |
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| Lateralus | Has anyone got gdb on the 810? | 00:24 |
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| Stalwart | anyone got 810? o.O | 00:31 |
| Stalwart | when's release date? | 00:31 |
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| rubiks | another day a work | 00:36 |
| rubiks | any good messengeet | 00:38 |
| rubiks | messenger like for yahoo and messenger | 00:38 |
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| legind | is there any way to have maemo not remember words you type in, e.g. if you're typing a password in xterm | 00:45 |
| Pio | heh | 00:53 |
| Pio | yeah that's fun when it does that | 00:53 |
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| legind | anyone get fuse and fuse-ssh working successfully on the n800? | 00:57 |
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| zerojay | mmmkay. | 01:03 |
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| rubiks | wow I like my n800 so far ;) | 01:21 |
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| legind | rubiks, yeah I just got mine yesterday | 01:26 |
| * legind laughs at all the iphone users that can't run "3rd party apps" | 01:27 | |
| rubiks | me to!!! | 01:29 |
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| Jiten | legind: not to mention they're paying through their nose for the "priviledge" of using it. | 01:30 |
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| Jiten | when I look at my n800's screen at a suitable angle (so light reflects off it), I can see ordered pattern of spots where the virtual keyboard appears :P doesn't take a lot apparently. I haven't really used this much yet. | 01:36 |
| zerojay | same here | 01:36 |
| p| | non 'man' for n800 ? | 01:37 |
| Jiten | p|: I don't quite understand what you're asking. | 01:38 |
| p| | i mean 'man' command from xterm | 01:39 |
| zerojay | No, man is not installed by default. | 01:39 |
| rubiks | where at? On the right side onthe | 01:39 |
| zerojay | You can just use the web for that. | 01:39 |
| p| | but it does exist ? | 01:39 |
| rubiks | touch screen | 01:39 |
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| Jiten | is it possible to cut&paste in the n800 version of X terminal somehow? | 01:44 |
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| pupnik_ | on 770 it works | 01:47 |
| Jiten | does that mean it doesn't on n800? | 01:48 |
| pupnik_ | they should make a 'wo'man command that requires 3-5 invocations to give you a straight answer | 01:49 |
| pupnik_ | Jiten: it should - drag stylus over text, then paste to another application | 01:49 |
| Stalwart | possible with bash aliases :D | 01:49 |
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| legind | Jiten, works with my x terminal | 01:50 |
| Jiten | ah, right, you need to use the menu? | 01:51 |
| legind | yea | 01:51 |
| legind | i want fuse so i can make all the music on my desktop into a folder on my n800 | 01:54 |
| legind | that would be sick | 01:54 |
| flip^ | look up the howto use cifs shares on the maemo web site | 01:54 |
| * flip^ has had all his media available directly on his n800 before ;) | 01:54 | |
| flip^ | and yes, it was sick | 01:54 |
| legind | flip^, well I only have 4gigs on the thing | 01:54 |
| legind | yeah :) | 01:55 |
| flip^ | legind: I shared about 600gb of media to my n800, appearing as a directory on the n800 ;) | 01:55 |
| legind | lol | 01:55 |
| legind | nice | 01:55 |
| flip^ | it upset UKMP a bit :( | 01:55 |
| legind | if you have macaholics you can be like "oh your iphone only has 8gigs?" | 01:56 |
| legind | lol | 01:56 |
| flip^ | I really have got to stop messing about with my n800 tho... I keep getting it set up for useful tasks, and then try and be clever and end up making such a mess a reflash is the easiest way to restore things | 01:56 |
| legind | flip^, does cifs work if your desktop computer is running linux | 01:57 |
| legind | oh its just a share | 01:58 |
| legind | word | 01:58 |
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| trunneml_ | hi | 01:58 |
| trunneml_ | I have this problem: undefined reference to `gps_clear_fix' | 01:59 |
| p| | good night all ! | 01:59 |
| trunneml_ | some one have an idea? | 01:59 |
| trunneml_ | good night | 01:59 |
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| hillct | Good evening all | 02:02 |
| hillct | at some point recently, the rss feed reader began segfalting upon startup | 02:03 |
| hillct | not sure when | 02:03 |
| hillct | not sure what I might have done to cause this | 02:03 |
| hillct | haven't installed anything recently | 02:04 |
| hillct | not many native debugging tools | 02:05 |
| hillct | any way to get a linked library list? | 02:05 |
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| pupnik_ | yes | 02:08 |
| pupnik_ | ldd? | 02:08 |
| hillct | it appears segfailt in console is a red herring though | 02:08 |
| hillct | aparently not | 02:08 |
| pupnik_ | there's an equivalent | 02:08 |
| hillct | no ldd installed? Is it available package? | 02:08 |
| hillct | pupnik_: that was the essance of my wquestion. What equivelent is there? | 02:09 |
| pupnik_ | alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list | 02:09 |
| pupnik_ | " | 02:09 |
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| hillct | what's the filename of thre default feed reader? | 02:11 |
| hillct | osso_rss_feed_reader: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/osso_rss_feed_reader: cannot read file data: Error 21 | 02:11 |
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| pupnik | i don't know | 02:13 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: ldd shows shared libraries used by a program. On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent | 02:13 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: ldd is to show shared libraries used by a program. On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent | 02:14 |
| pupnik | phblbt | 02:14 |
| pupnik | _Monkey, ldd is to show shared libraries used by a program. On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent | 02:14 |
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| Jiten | flip^: maybe you should consider setting up mmc boot and do you clever stuff there first :P | 02:34 |
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| flip^ | Jiten: I have a mmc boot.. technically reflash really means "roll back my mmc boot to what's on the internal flash"... but its still an inconvenience ;) | 02:36 |
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| pupnik | Tech Support: "I need you to boot the computer." | 02:50 |
| pupnik | Customer: (THUMP! Pause.) "No, that didn't help." | 02:50 |
| flip^ | I had someone phone me today that didn't know the word computer, they just kept referring to the black box with the mouse attached to it that wouldn't turn on | 02:51 |
| * pupnik looks at the date. yup... 2007 | 02:54 | |
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| rubiks | kismet working? | 03:12 |
| pupnik | on my 770 yes | 03:12 |
| pupnik | problem is too few generous people running open hotspots in my town | 03:13 |
| pupnik | but i can't blame nokia for that | 03:13 |
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| rubiks | will kismet work for n800? | 03:18 |
| pupnik | not sure | 03:18 |
| derf | I've been told it does. | 03:19 |
| rubiks | hum... | 03:19 |
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| rubiks | can't find it on the webpage | 03:21 |
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| rubiks | what is the root password? | 07:10 |
| _Monkey | the root password is rootme | 07:10 |
| rubiks | that was to fast | 07:10 |
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| zoran | I have a question regarding the battery | 07:38 |
| rubiks | do 770 apps work for n800? | 07:39 |
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| zoran | hm, I tried to start up 770 and after 7-8 secs it went down; does it sound like battery problem? | 07:40 |
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| rubiks | why are some apps not downloadable on maemo.org? | 08:40 |
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| rubiks | like midnight commander | 08:43 |
| rubiks | mc | 08:43 |
| zoran | what device? 770 or n800? | 08:44 |
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| rubiks | n800 | 09:06 |
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| lopz | bye | 09:10 |
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| sciboy | I miss UKTube. =( | 09:28 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:09 |
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| disq | morning | 11:21 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 11:21 |
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| p| | yo | 11:51 |
| * Jaffa applies for "Media Utils" garage project to host 770-encode (albeit renamed to tablet-encode) and mediaserv | 11:55 | |
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| chx | hi. is there any place where the n810 is already in stock? (for eg. the E51 phone is available from german ebay while in general it's not really out yet) | 12:34 |
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| _pcfe_ | if eBäh has anything on sale that the Nokia flagship store in Helsinki does not sell (as of last week both N810 and E51) I would be very weary of the seller. | 12:43 |
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| pupnik | For the emulators, i found a 200 game Amiga CDrom (horrible selection though) and a 500-game C64 CDrom in the supermarket for 5 euro each. | 13:33 |
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| chx | oh | 13:45 |
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| chx | pupnik: and how could someone else put his paws on those? :) | 13:46 |
| pupnik | searching online, or checking out the local software store/supermarket | 13:48 |
| pupnik | I just mentioned it in case people avoid the emulators because they think the only game collections are warez | 13:48 |
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| derf | pupnik: And how do you know all of the games on that CD are legitimately licensed? | 13:55 |
| pupnik | Because most of them suck? :) | 13:57 |
| derf | Well, I suppose that's fair. | 13:58 |
| pupnik | You're right, consumer doesn't know - but violations would be responsiblity of the publisher in this case. | 13:59 |
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| chx | so you are telling me that all http://tinyurl.com/2w2rqg these auctions are scams? would be hard to believe. | 14:17 |
| chx | many powersellers... | 14:17 |
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| derf | chx: For all those that believe in eBay ratings: http://xkcd.com/325/ | 14:22 |
| chx | derf: lol. | 14:23 |
| derf | (don't forget to read the image's tooltip) | 14:23 |
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| alterego | Heh | 14:25 |
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| alterego | eBay is a huge target for exploits. It's a shame because it's such a useful service. But's its success attracts b*stards | 14:26 |
| alterego | Which is why I wouldn't use it :) | 14:26 |
| alterego | Only _very_ rarely,. | 14:27 |
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| chx | dunno. ihad a lot of deals over ebay and never had any probs. | 14:40 |
| alterego | Well, I've used it a bit and not had problems. But don't tempt fate I say ;) | 14:43 |
| alterego | I'm not one of those people that uses eBay for _everything_, like a lot of people tend to do now-a-days. | 14:44 |
| Jiten | there is certain attraction to a "shop" that has everything :) | 14:45 |
| * chx is itching baaaadly for an E51. | 14:45 | |
| Jiten | my n800 + 6120 pair will have to serve me for the next couple of years. Unless one of them breaks, I'm not replacing them before that. | 14:46 |
| chx | yeah but i was only eyeing these tables before the N810 | 14:50 |
| chx | but the sldiing keyboard and the GPS won me over | 14:50 |
| chx | and the E51, it's like a phone built to my order:) | 14:50 |
| chx | much to my shock, they left nothing out | 14:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, the keyboard will make it a lot easier for instant messaging. | 14:50 |
| chx | what about SSH and occssionaly note taking :) ? | 14:51 |
| alterego | ;) | 14:51 |
| alterego | ruby hacking ;) | 14:51 |
| chx | For a very very long time I was looking at various devices to be able to SSH on the road | 14:51 |
| alterego | Yes, that was one of the reasons I got the tablet. | 14:51 |
| chx | TyTN -- almost. but the keyboard is small, the CPU is slow, and the OS makes me throw up. | 14:51 |
| alterego | I'm on call 24/7 so it's very handy when a server breaks ^_^ | 14:52 |
| chx | me too | 14:52 |
| chx | I am not the sysadmin... I am just the developer team lead but when the code breaks, well, it's showtime for me , regarldess of sday or night. | 14:52 |
| pupnik | http://zodttd.com/ for emus, check out the JXD 301 handheld emulator player - pretty sharp device | 14:55 |
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| zerojay | Hmm.. I thought that to run a Jabber server available publically, it had to have its own domain name. | 15:24 |
| zerojay | I was wrong. | 15:24 |
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| legind | hm it would be more accurate if the "memory" program just read memory info from the df command | 17:51 |
| legind | Storage memory in use: 23.34 GB | 17:51 |
| legind | Storage memory available: 1.19 GB | 17:51 |
| legind | hehe | 17:51 |
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| legind | can you have kagu search only certain directories? | 17:56 |
| zoran | Jiten, I got 6233 | 17:57 |
| rafl | what's the n800s display resolution? | 17:58 |
| zoran | 800x480 | 17:58 |
| _Monkey | 800x480 is probably plenty of room to strech out in, and matchbox makes me feel like penguinbait is in prison | 17:58 |
| rafl | thanks | 17:58 |
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| Jiten | zoran: happy with it? | 17:59 |
| zoran | few hours | 18:00 |
| zoran | not bad, but ugly screensaver | 18:00 |
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| zoran | gonna make my own | 18:00 |
| zoran | this days I looked at people and their phones; human kind is obsessed with little gadget and does not pay attention to outside world | 18:02 |
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| legind | if you type passwords into the onscreen keyboard in a browser is the n800 going to remember those keystrokes? | 18:06 |
| zoran | legind, it should be rather app dependable | 18:07 |
| Robot101 | it knows when you're typing into a password field | 18:07 |
| Robot101 | it's broken in terminals though | 18:07 |
| legind | yeah ok | 18:08 |
| legind | thanks RobAtWork | 18:08 |
| legind | er Robot101 | 18:09 |
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| zpol | hola | 18:18 |
| alterego | aloh | 18:20 |
| alterego | a | 18:20 |
| zoran | how linux manages with usb card readers, apacer am300 in fact? | 18:24 |
| alterego | Works fine with my USB card readers. Better than Windows in fact. | 18:25 |
| zoran | I cannot make it be seen on freebsd | 18:25 |
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| alterego | Maybe you should seek help on a FreeBSD channel then. | 18:25 |
| zoran | linux usb driver is probably much better | 18:25 |
| zoran | ah, I did | 18:26 |
| alterego | Well, I find it hard to believe they got it that wrong. Card readers generally show them selves as generic mass storage devices. | 18:26 |
| zoran | hm, yes | 18:26 |
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| zoran | bsd folks just ignore some problems | 18:27 |
| timelyx | sp3000: i really really feel like kicking something | 18:27 |
| timelyx | i try using this program, and it fails because of a memory card write error | 18:27 |
| timelyx | but i didn't ask it to do a write, i asked it to find helcon for me | 18:27 |
| alterego | Oh, memory card woes :) | 18:27 |
| zoran | not bad topic | 18:28 |
| timelyx | you try using 2gb card and w/ a 4gb partition | 18:28 |
| timelyx | see how well that works... | 18:28 |
| alterego | I've got 2x 2G cards. | 18:28 |
| alterego | One partitioned up the middle. | 18:28 |
| timelyx | yeah, i have lots of cards | 18:28 |
| timelyx | but this is the only one so cleverly partitioned | 18:28 |
| alterego | Sounds like you should fix it :P | 18:29 |
| sp3000 | have you considered re-partitioning :) | 18:29 |
| zoran | 2 cards in one partition? | 18:29 |
| erstazi_ | that seems too complex to mess with | 18:29 |
| zoran | 2 gb is a lot of room | 18:29 |
| timelyx | sp3000: i considered asking windows to look at the card | 18:29 |
| timelyx | i never got around to doing it | 18:30 |
| timelyx | anyway, i'm off to helcon2007 @ vuorimiehenkatu 17 | 18:30 |
| erstazi_ | have fun timelyx | 18:30 |
| timelyx | zoran: i've filled a number of 2gb cards | 18:30 |
| timelyx | this one, i have no idea | 18:30 |
| timelyx | but i'm fairly certain it's mounted ro | 18:30 |
| timelyx | which causes all sorts of amusing errors | 18:30 |
| timelyx | sp3000: remind me to terrorize a few more people on monday | 18:31 |
| timelyx | *grr* | 18:31 |
| zoran | may I ask what is exact problem? | 18:31 |
| timelyx | the card came that way | 18:31 |
| timelyx | 4gb partition on a 2gb card | 18:31 |
| zoran | reading prob? | 18:31 |
| alterego | O_o | 18:31 |
| timelyx | eventually something didn't approve of it and it was mounted readonly | 18:31 |
| timelyx | now, there's this cute app that comes w/ n810s | 18:31 |
| zoran | does reparand reformat help? | 18:31 |
| timelyx | i haven't tried as sp3000 elicited | 18:32 |
| * timelyx puts on a "lazy user hat" | 18:32 | |
| zoran | what is fs? | 18:32 |
| timelyx | ask sp3000? :) | 18:32 |
| timelyx | probably fat32, what else would it be | 18:32 |
| zoran | hey, it's not your card? | 18:32 |
| timelyx | it's not my device | 18:32 |
| timelyx | and calling it a card might be overstepping | 18:33 |
| zoran | has ip address? | 18:33 |
| timelyx | since you can't remove it | 18:33 |
| timelyx | no, among other amusing things, my wifi router refuses to speak wifi to me | 18:33 |
| zoran | buy it a flower | 18:33 |
| timelyx | i.e. the password is top secret from its dedicated user | 18:33 |
| erstazi_ | haha | 18:33 |
| erstazi_ | I been there | 18:34 |
| erstazi_ | forgot the passphrase I gave it | 18:34 |
| timelyx | i've been here for 2months now? | 18:34 |
| erstazi_ | didn't write it down | 18:34 |
| timelyx | it came preconfigured and they told me the password | 18:34 |
| timelyx | it worked for a while, at some point i think it got reset | 18:34 |
| erstazi_ | did you try admin? | 18:34 |
| erstazi_ | oh | 18:34 |
| timelyx | it's not, it's custom | 18:34 |
| timelyx | corporate magic at work | 18:34 |
| zoran | timelyx, I didn't follow the thread; what is the device? | 18:35 |
| timelyx | anyway, it's mostly amusing, i don't really care (clearly) | 18:35 |
| erstazi_ | yeap | 18:35 |
| timelyx | which. the router is an elisa dsl managed by nokia it | 18:35 |
| timelyx | the n810 is nokia's owned and operated by me | 18:35 |
| zoran | no, device with that strange partition | 18:35 |
| zoran | ah! | 18:36 |
| timelyx | it's a prototype | 18:36 |
| timelyx | the real ones aren't supposed to be like that :) | 18:36 |
| erstazi_ | haha | 18:36 |
| zoran | so, you have no root at this moment? | 18:36 |
| timelyx | i don't have time | 18:36 |
| erstazi_ | but, but, you are timelyx | 18:36 |
| timelyx | i have a map, a desitation, and a goal | 18:36 |
| timelyx | and i personally prefer broken devices | 18:37 |
| timelyx | they show bugs | 18:37 |
| timelyx | e.g. this one in the map application | 18:37 |
| * erstazi_ shall be right back | 18:37 | |
| zoran | I would like better inner card with map, not this one | 18:37 |
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| timelyx | zoran: this is the inner card... | 18:37 |
| zoran | who wants map, puts it in | 18:37 |
| timelyx | but i can't easily get new maps (see lack of working wifi) | 18:37 |
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| timelyx | so i'm not in a hurry to destroy the card | 18:37 |
| zoran | it could be removed? | 18:37 |
| timelyx | no | 18:38 |
| zoran | ah, you see? | 18:38 |
| sp3000 | for some value of could I'm sure | 18:38 |
| zoran | if you could... | 18:38 |
| timelyx | zoran: i'd be stuck w/ no maps | 18:38 |
| timelyx | how does that help? | 18:38 |
| timelyx | i could reformat it too | 18:38 |
| zoran | you could put anything you like | 18:38 |
| timelyx | but not maps | 18:38 |
| zoran | music, films... | 18:38 |
| timelyx | because i have no wifi | 18:38 |
| timelyx | and no maps | 18:38 |
| timelyx | and no wifi | 18:38 |
| zoran | wifi is for pussies | 18:39 |
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| timelyx | how do you magically add films to a memory card w/o wifi? | 18:39 |
| zoran | no, joke | 18:39 |
| zoran | I liek wifi and use it | 18:39 |
| zoran | but have no _so_ broadband | 18:39 |
| sp3000 | so mirror to ext | 18:39 |
| zoran | are maps so important in life? | 18:40 |
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| alterego | "File System" | 18:41 |
| alterego | I think he's trying to play more with the bug in the mapping software he ofund. | 18:45 |
| timelyx | yes | 18:46 |
| alterego | Send your prototype to me. I'll fix it. | 18:47 |
| * alterego runs away. | 18:47 | |
| alterego | I'm sure you'll be able to replace the card with a hammer. | 18:47 |
| * timelyx kicks discovercard.com | 18:48 | |
| alterego | Can you not setup USB net? | 18:48 |
| timelyx | to my mac? | 18:48 |
| alterego | Sure | 18:48 |
| timelyx | maybe | 18:48 |
| timelyx | but i don't have the proper usb cable | 18:49 |
| alterego | Oh | 18:49 |
| timelyx | so while i could try to figure out how in the world to setup the mac side | 18:49 |
| zoran | bt? | 18:49 |
| timelyx | it wouldn't go very far :) | 18:49 |
| alterego | I forgot they changed it didn't they. | 18:49 |
| timelyx | yep | 18:49 |
| timelyx | zoran: again, the question is: why bother? | 18:49 |
| zoran | for art sake | 18:49 |
| timelyx | sp3000's right, the fastest solution is an external mmc, a copy, and a reformat | 18:49 |
| timelyx | but my art is bug finding | 18:49 |
| timelyx | i'm very good | 18:50 |
| zoran | bug terminator? | 18:50 |
| timelyx | or maybe, software is just very buggy | 18:50 |
| timelyx | bug-reporter | 18:50 |
| alterego | I'm very good at ignoring bugs | 18:50 |
| zoran | :) | 18:50 |
| timelyx | fixing bugs is left as an exercise to the responsible party | 18:50 |
| zoran | \/c | 18:51 |
| alterego | I can't seem to get anything done today. | 18:51 |
| zoran | you successfuly type this | 18:51 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. Maybe I'll do some more on ruby-maemo | 18:52 |
| alterego | If _real_ work isn't inspiring me. | 18:52 |
| zoran | hm, I hate when in the exactly the same situation, posters have correct output, but it fails on my box! | 18:54 |
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| L0cutus | wow what a crash :) | 19:01 |
| L0cutus | i'm trying to instal rails on my n800 | 19:01 |
| zoran | heh, whole train? | 19:01 |
| L0cutus | first the terminal | 19:02 |
| L0cutus | than the other parts :) | 19:02 |
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| zoran | seriously, a lot of stuff on 770/800 works just fine | 19:02 |
| zoran | have you ever tried to port something on vms? | 19:02 |
| wumpus | you can run openttd on it, that has trains too :p | 19:03 |
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| ajturner | would be nice to have Rails views render Ruby-Maemo | 19:05 |
| alterego | rubygems on device isn't even worth trying L0cutus | 19:09 |
| alterego | If you want rails you'll have to package it on the SDK. | 19:09 |
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| jkyro | who needs rails when there is django >:) | 19:15 |
| jkyro | runs fine on the device too | 19:15 |
| alterego | I've looked at that. | 19:15 |
| alterego | Rails is nicer. | 19:15 |
| jkyro | nope | 19:15 |
| jkyro | it's easier to start with, yes | 19:16 |
| alterego | More flexible too. | 19:16 |
| alterego | Ruby is nicer than Python as a dynamic language. | 19:16 |
| zoran | shpan800? | 19:16 |
| jkyro | but if you'd like to change a little something there's an assload of stuff you need to write | 19:16 |
| zoran | *n800 | 19:16 |
| alterego | Like what? | 19:16 |
| jkyro | more flexible, I don't think so | 19:16 |
| alterego | What would you need to change in Rails? | 19:16 |
| alterego | I speak from a lot of experience jkyro | 19:17 |
| jkyro | I believ that | 19:17 |
| jkyro | well, maybe it's just me | 19:17 |
| alterego | I'd imagine taste has a lot to do with it. | 19:17 |
| jkyro | django was easier eince I knew python already | 19:17 |
| jkyro | e=s | 19:18 |
| alterego | Yes, that would certainly help. | 19:18 |
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| alterego | I'd say the exact same thing about Rails. | 19:18 |
| alterego | Substituting Ruby for Python obviously ;) | 19:18 |
| alterego | I prefer Ruby's approach to OO | 19:18 |
| alterego | Blocks and iterators are also a very good thing that Python somewhat miss fires on. | 19:19 |
| alterego | lambda is a joke in Python ^_^ | 19:19 |
| alterego | Obviously Python does perform a lot better with it's bytecode interpreter. Though hopefully Ruby 2.0 will close that gap significantly. | 19:20 |
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| jkyro | OK, i'm no t going into this argument :) | 19:20 |
| jkyro | deeper I mean | 19:20 |
| jkyro | I agree that lambda is a joke but then again it's not that crucial anyway | 19:20 |
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| alterego | Have you used the Python Maemo bindings? | 19:21 |
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| jkyro | yup | 19:21 |
| jkyro | not much tho | 19:21 |
| alterego | What are they like? | 19:21 |
| alterego | I was interested in how it handles callbacks in LibOSSO. | 19:21 |
| jkyro | well, what do you wont to know? | 19:21 |
| jkyro | ok, that I haven't tested | 19:22 |
| jkyro | mut I suspect thsy have ysed pyrex for the bindings as with a load of other stuff as well | 19:22 |
| jkyro | my god, what am I writing? | 19:22 |
| jkyro | I | 19:22 |
| alterego | pyrex? Is that like SWIG? | 19:22 |
| jkyro | something like that yes | 19:23 |
| jkyro | bindings generator | 19:23 |
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| jkyro | (it seems the batteries of the wireless keyboard are running out, apologies) | 19:23 |
| alterego | I wasn't to impressed with the Python LibOSSO bindings. They're very odd. Maybe that's why. | 19:23 |
| ilrepo | my maemo 3.2 upgrade freezes at "Unpacking replacement rx-34-kernel-headers ...", anyone else had problems with that? | 19:23 |
| ilrepo | using ubuntu 7.10 | 19:24 |
| jkyro | the documentation isn't that good either | 19:24 |
| alterego | Hah, at least they've got documentation ;) | 19:24 |
| alterego | I think my main gripe with python maemo at the moment is they just seemed to mirror the C API. | 19:25 |
| alterego | You might as well just code in C :P | 19:25 |
| jkyro | I see what you mean | 19:26 |
| jkyro | the gobject is quite horrible also IMHO | 19:26 |
| L0cutus | alterego: i've made a simple loop-test with ruby and python | 19:26 |
| L0cutus | (on n800) | 19:27 |
| alterego | I spent a good couple of days creating a very friendly Ruby API for libosso. Which I'm quite proud of. | 19:27 |
| L0cutus | and ruby on n800 is faster than python :) | 19:27 |
| alterego | L0cutus, I find that hard to believe. Maybe it's just that particular loop :P | 19:27 |
| L0cutus | possible yes :) | 19:27 |
| L0cutus | for i in 1..1000000 | 19:28 |
| jkyro | I haven't done any benchmarking, python seems fast enough for most cases | 19:28 |
| L0cutus | a=i | 19:28 |
| L0cutus | end | 19:28 |
| alterego | jkyro, as does Ruby. Though start up times aren't great. Once the program is running it's fine. | 19:28 |
| jkyro | but importing stuff is really slow | 19:28 |
| alterego | Really? | 19:28 |
| alterego | Odd. | 19:28 |
| jkyro | yeah, it affects startup quite heavily | 19:29 |
| alterego | Possibly something to do with Gtk/Hildon. It can take a bit of time for those to get initialized. | 19:29 |
| alterego | I think that might be a similar issue with ruby | 19:29 |
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| jkyro | as I said, havent done any real testing to find out if there's a particular culprit | 19:29 |
| * alterego looks for the Python tutorial. | 19:30 | |
| jkyro | anyway, I gotta go. Happy hacking with ruby :) | 19:31 |
| alterego | When the maemo 4 tutorial is released I'll rewrite it for Ruby | 19:31 |
| alterego | Sure, have a nice evening jkyro | 19:31 |
| L0cutus | ciao jkyro | 19:34 |
| L0cutus | i've just reformat my mmc with ext3... | 19:34 |
| zoran | hm | 19:35 |
| zoran | it is said to check too often; cannot confirm if true | 19:35 |
| alterego | I wouldn't use ext3 on an MMC card. | 19:36 |
| zoran | I have ext2 | 19:36 |
| L0cutus | why ? | 19:36 |
| alterego | Well, I wouldn't use it on any kind of flash memory. | 19:36 |
| alterego | The journal L0cutus | 19:36 |
| L0cutus | isn't it more crash+proof ? | 19:36 |
| zoran | lasts not so long with ext3, probably | 19:36 |
| L0cutus | hum | 19:37 |
| alterego | Maybe, but it will shorten your memory cards lifetime. | 19:37 |
| alterego | With all those writes to the same area . | 19:37 |
| L0cutus | argh | 19:37 |
| L0cutus | ok, i'll go back to ext2... :) | 19:37 |
| alterego | I'd use ext2 ;) | 19:37 |
| zoran | no need for v3, indeed | 19:37 |
| derf | I thought the card did auto wear-leveling at the block level, so writes "to the same area" really aren't. | 19:38 |
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| zoran | little magician in mmc cannot do all the stuff | 19:39 |
| L0cutus | it is a 6Gb microsd sandisk class 4 | 19:39 |
| L0cutus | (internal) | 19:40 |
| zoran | why bother with ext2 at all? | 19:40 |
| zoran | *ext3 | 19:40 |
| L0cutus | mmm i thins it also eat more cpu and ram | 19:40 |
| L0cutus | think* | 19:41 |
| L0cutus | just a try after all ;-) | 19:41 |
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| L0cutus | this is my latest buy: http://tinyurl.com/3ygt4k | 19:42 |
| L0cutus | hope it is ok... | 19:42 |
| alterego | L0cutus, yeah. It'd take a little more resources. | 19:42 |
| alterego | Though, you can mount ext3 as ext2 | 19:43 |
| L0cutus | so i do not need to reformat it ? | 19:43 |
| amr | is there another way to make a theme for the 770 besides using thememaker | 19:43 |
| rubiks | red case? | 19:44 |
| L0cutus | yup :) | 19:45 |
| rubiks | nice | 19:45 |
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| L0cutus | does exist some dictionary eng<>ita for n800 ? | 19:46 |
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| rubiks | can we asume that all people that buy a nokia internet tablet know a litttle about linux? | 19:46 |
| amr | i wouldn't | 19:47 |
| amr | is it actually marketed as a 'linux-powered' device? | 19:47 |
| derf | L0cutus: The Whitestork dictionary should be able to handle any general Western languages. | 19:47 |
| derf | Just download the relevant dictionary files. | 19:47 |
| derf | At least that's what I used for Dutch<->English when I was in the Netherlands recently. | 19:48 |
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| rubiks | i need some pda apps | 19:48 |
| L0cutus | tnks derf i'll try | 19:48 |
| amr | rubiks, gpe-pim? | 19:49 |
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| rubiks | hum... will check out | 19:51 |
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| lopz | re | 19:56 |
| alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/python_ruby_osso.txt | 19:58 |
| alterego | Just a small API comparison. | 19:58 |
| alterego | Probably look nicer with syntax highlighting ^_^ | 19:58 |
| alterego | Obviously the major differences here are Python needing an osso context object and then another context object for RPC or what other system is being used. | 20:00 |
| alterego | Ruby's use of Hashes for named arguments isn't exactly ideal in my opinion but it's still quite clear. | 20:01 |
| alterego | Maybe I could work a little more on the API. | 20:05 |
| rubiks | is the an antena just to enable fm radio? | 20:05 |
| rubiks | besides the head phones | 20:06 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 20:06 |
| _Monkey | salut, b0unc3 | 20:06 |
| alterego | rubiks, no. The headphones are the antenna | 20:07 |
| rubiks | :s ok, was just looking for another way | 20:10 |
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| L0cutus | how to restart a daemon un n800 ? | 20:14 |
| L0cutus | un=on | 20:14 |
| L0cutus | (sshd) | 20:14 |
| alterego | /etc/init.d/sshd restart ? | 20:15 |
| sp3000 | same as anywhere I suppose, invoke-rc.d ssh restart | 20:15 |
| sp3000 | yeah, in bb /etc/init.d/... would give you completion which is helpful :) | 20:16 |
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| L0cutus | tnks | 20:16 |
| rubiks | linux | 20:16 |
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| L0cutus | my distro have them into /etc/rc.d :) | 20:18 |
| alterego | Uh oh .. | 20:18 |
| rubiks | can maemo mapper work without gps? | 20:18 |
| Jiten | rubiks: yes | 20:19 |
| rubiks | nice downloading... | 20:19 |
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| Jiten | of course, it won't be able to tell you where you are without it though :) | 20:19 |
| Jiten | but you can look at maps, plan routes and such | 20:20 |
| rubiks | gotcha | 20:20 |
| sp3000 | yeah if it had an ambient light sensor it could at least tell you if you're in finland | 20:20 |
| rubiks | i hope nokia will drop the price on rhe gps kit | 20:20 |
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| alterego | Why get the nokia kit? | 20:22 |
| alterego | You can pick up a BT GPS for ~70 USD | 20:22 |
| rubiks | o really? | 20:23 |
| alterego | Probably less if you look in the right place. | 20:23 |
| alterego | All you need is a BT GPS receiver and then you can use maemo mapper :) | 20:24 |
| rubiks | mapper needs two libs | 20:24 |
| alterego | ? | 20:24 |
| rubiks | maemo mapper | 20:25 |
| _Monkey | i heard maemo mapper was geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ | 20:25 |
| rubiks | version 1.4 | 20:26 |
| rubiks | ? | 20:26 |
| alterego | Oh, that's weird. | 20:29 |
| alterego | The segfault wasn't even in the SDK ^_^ | 20:29 |
| alterego | More of a relief actually. | 20:29 |
| rubiks | libxau0 libgdbm3 | 20:30 |
| rubiks | mapper needs those libs | 20:30 |
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| L0cutus | where is the right place to autostart a dyndns daemon on n800 ? | 20:38 |
| L0cutus | must i create an init.d script ? | 20:38 |
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| alterego | L0cutus, I'd say so, unless you want to start it manually. | 20:40 |
| L0cutus | is possible to enable/disable autostart ? | 20:41 |
| L0cutus | mm i think i must 'study a bit ubuntu & debian startup scripts :) | 20:41 |
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| rubiks | anybody got scratches on their screen protector? | 20:47 |
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| legind | L0cutus, create a script: /etc/init.d/somecommands | 20:50 |
| legind | L0cutus, then you have to determine at which stage or 'runlevel' you want the commands to be run | 20:50 |
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| legind | L0cutus, http://www.help2go.com/Tutorials/Linux%10UNIX/Linux_Runlevels.html this URL explains what runlevels are | 20:51 |
| legind | L0cutus, when you determine that, you have to create a symbolic link: /etc/rc< run level>.d/S< some number between 10 and 99 >somecommand | 20:53 |
| legind | L0cutus, the command would be somethign like: ln -s /etc/init.d/somescript /etc/rc4.d/S44somescript | 20:54 |
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| L0cutus | thanks legind | 20:58 |
| legind | np | 20:59 |
| L0cutus | i have found also an howto that use 'update-rc.d ' | 20:59 |
| legind | is there any music player for the n800 that doesn't database the files, but just plays them, similar to xmms or beep-media-player or winamp | 20:59 |
| L0cutus | mplayer ? | 21:00 |
| _Monkey | mplayer is down, that's what's up | 21:00 |
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| legind | is that command line driven | 21:01 |
| legind | or does it have a nice gui | 21:01 |
| L0cutus | cmdline | 21:02 |
| L0cutus | but i've see there is also kmplayer | 21:02 |
| L0cutus | that have a little gui | 21:02 |
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| legind | hm but it looks like I can't play more than one song at a time? | 21:05 |
| legind | play=add | 21:06 |
| L0cutus | yes... | 21:06 |
| L0cutus | no playlist | 21:07 |
| amr | with kagu can you actually just play 'all songs' | 21:08 |
| amr | instead of adding each one to a playlist | 21:08 |
| amr | its kind of annoying | 21:08 |
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| L0cutus | time to go home, cul8r | 21:11 |
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| Deformati | Are there any apps that provide something like palm's todo list? | 21:20 |
| kulve | I would hope google does todo-list and integrates it with the calendar :) | 21:22 |
| Deformati | Yeah, but for now, I am looking for an app for maemo. | 21:23 |
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| Deformati | Anyone? | 21:26 |
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| Jaffa | Deformati: GPE Todo works well-enough | 21:36 |
| Deformati | GPE? | 21:36 |
| _Monkey | GPE is an environment kind of like Maemo | 21:36 |
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| Jaffa | _Monkey: useless | 21:37 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: sorry... | 21:37 |
| lopz | brb | 21:37 |
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| Jaffa | Deformati: As well as being a full-blown palmtop environment, it's PIM suite has been ported to Maemo and features Contacts, Calendar and Todo | 21:37 |
| Deformati | Interesting. | 21:38 |
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| kpel | hi all | 21:53 |
| legind | is there any maemo media player anyone knows of that just gives you the option to "add folder" | 21:55 |
| Deformati | Hmm, I wonder why I cannot copy anything via usb to my 770. | 21:57 |
| Deformati | It never seems to work. | 21:57 |
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| hillct | legind: adding directories is of course a function of file mangement not a media player. GPE file manager does a nice job of offering display/manipulation of the full filesystem | 22:04 |
| hillct | that said, mPlayer seems to allow some basic directory management | 22:05 |
| alterego | He means add directory to playlist. | 22:05 |
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| alterego | @windows << @program.add_window(Hildon::Window.new) | 22:39 |
| alterego | That's neat. | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. What's performance like compared with Python/C on an N800? | 22:40 |
| alterego | It's supposedly similar to Python. | 22:41 |
| alterego | Start up times aren't great. If you need to speed certain parts of your program up though it's easy to integrate with C code. | 22:41 |
| alterego | When I've finished "XML Editor" you can give it a whirl and see for yourself :) | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | Runtime performance doesn't bother me for too much stuff. Startup time being as quick as possible is important for user experience though. Already, too many C apps on Maemo are too slow to start :-( | 22:42 |
| alterego | Yeah | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | alterego: making sure your bindings don't have any busywait loops, I hope ;-) | 22:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:42 |
| alterego | My bindings are speedy. | 22:43 |
| alterego | I'm not sure what's causing slow start ups. | 22:43 |
| alterego | I'll do some experimentation some time in the week. | 22:43 |
| * Jaffa fancies playing with it. I've got Programming Rails on my bookshelf I've not properly got into yet, and prefer Grails and/or Struts to Rails. | 22:43 | |
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| alterego | Have you read the pickaxe book? | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | First few chapters. I need something practical to get my teeth into, though. | 22:44 |
| alterego | I might do a Rails package, but I don't know. | 22:44 |
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| alterego | I don't really see the benifit. Sure, I do the occasional rails hacks on my tablet, but logged into a development server. | 22:45 |
| alterego | I don't see a need to have it actually installed on the device. | 22:45 |
| bedboi | so the developer program application is closed | 22:45 |
| alterego | Yup :) | 22:45 |
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| Jaffa | bedboi: oh yeah | 22:45 |
| alterego | Surely not long now. | 22:46 |
| * Jaffa crosses fingers. | 22:46 | |
| bedboi | Jaffa: me too. | 22:46 |
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| * alterego isn't very superstitious | 22:46 | |
| bedboi | is there any information about the number of applicants? | 22:47 |
| Jaffa | Presumably, it's higher than the N800 programme's applicant count | 22:48 |
| alterego | Well, does it matter? | 22:49 |
| alterego | I guess a great deal of people applied. As it was open to people other than devs. | 22:49 |
| Jaffa | According to game theory, yes. Unless all the people who've applied are less "worthy" than you, the number of applicants is related to your chances of success (probably not directly proportional). | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | But you're right in that it's not possible to change the outcome by worrying about it (not that I am: I'm happy with my N800 enough - IT OS 2008 is the more exciting thing, I think). | 22:51 |
| alterego | Okay, assume that at least 350 devs applied ;) | 22:51 |
| alterego | Yeah, I can't wait for 2008 :) | 22:51 |
| Jaffa | And, having 60ukp spare means more likely to get an Eee (although as a toy, rather than as a luxury item like my N800) | 22:51 |
| Jaffa | TV time. | 22:51 |
| alterego | Eee? | 22:51 |
| _Monkey | Eee is, like, a freaking laptop | 22:51 |
| alterego | O_O | 22:52 |
| skibur | where can I buy an official screen protector screen for my nokia? | 22:56 |
| alterego | Official? | 22:56 |
| alterego | Well .. You can buy a new N800 | 22:56 |
| alterego | They come with official screen protectors. | 22:56 |
| skibur | ? | 22:57 |
| skibur | I have it on and it scratches pretty easy | 22:57 |
| alterego | Yeah, mines covered. | 22:58 |
| alterego | There are plenty of places to get replacements. | 22:58 |
| alterego | I don't see why "official" is important,. | 22:58 |
| skibur | agree | 22:58 |
| skibur | looking for something really good | 22:58 |
| alterego | Someone posted a link yesterday that looked impressive. | 22:59 |
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| alterego | Hang on I'll see if I can pull it up. | 22:59 |
| alterego | skibur, http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html | 23:00 |
| skibur | thanks | 23:00 |
| p| | re | 23:02 |
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| skibur | I can't access root? | 23:32 |
| skibur | xterm su applet? | 23:32 |
| alterego | The root password is by default 'rootme' | 23:32 |
| alterego | SSH in and change it. | 23:32 |
| alterego | root | 23:32 |
| alterego | gainroot | 23:32 |
| _Monkey | gainroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 23:32 |
| alterego | There's another way. | 23:32 |
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| alterego | Heh, GtkTreeView is still pretty complicated in Ruby ^_^ | 23:37 |
| hillct | can someone explain to me the point of 'gainroot' over the simpler and far more standard method of editing /etc/sudoers ? | 23:39 |
| alterego | Not me :) | 23:39 |
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| timelyx | _Monkey forget eee | 23:47 |
| _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot eee | 23:47 |
| timelyx | _Monkey eee is <reply> | 23:47 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 23:47 |
| timelyx | _Monkey useless is <reply> | 23:47 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 23:47 |
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| alterego | I don't believe it. | 23:48 |
| alterego | You don't even get the arrows in OS2008?! | 23:48 |
| timelyx | alterego: eh? | 23:49 |
| alterego | GtkTreeView's .. | 23:49 |
| alterego | I'm going to have to resort to some kind of theme hack I guess. | 23:49 |
| timelyx | picture.draw_for(timeless) | 23:49 |
| alterego | Either that write some code to make pretty icons appear. | 23:49 |
| kpel | can someone ssh to the tablet as a user? | 23:50 |
| alterego | The later will be more effort though. | 23:50 |
| skibur | wow | 23:50 |
| skibur | mc | 23:50 |
| skibur | nice | 23:50 |
| timelyx | kpel: if you create a normal user and assign a password, sure | 23:50 |
| timelyx | otherwise, by default, "user" will reject ssh attempts (lacking a password?) | 23:50 |
| tigert | what arrows? | 23:50 |
| timelyx | by default if you install sshd, you can ssh as root to the device... | 23:50 |
| alterego | I just installed an ssh key into the 'user' account to allow logins from my laptop. | 23:51 |
| alterego | I also set the root password. | 23:51 |
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| kpel | can i assign a password to user using passwd? | 23:51 |
| timelyx | i don't see why it wouldn't work | 23:51 |
| timelyx | although i wouldn't recommend it | 23:51 |
| alterego | No, you can't assign a password to the 'user' account. | 23:51 |
| timelyx | an ssh key makes a lot more sense | 23:52 |
| tigert | its more or less regular linux under the hood anyway | 23:52 |
| alterego | Well .. You just try setting a password for 'user' and see what happens :P | 23:52 |
| kpel | ok thanks | 23:52 |
| tigert | most things you think of "do work" at least somewhat | 23:52 |
| timelyx | most things break somewhat :) | 23:52 |
| tigert | of course stuff can also break if you do silly things | 23:52 |
| tigert | exactly | 23:52 |
| tigert | but like, | 23:52 |
| timelyx | tigert: wanna try maps w/ a r/o mmc? | 23:52 |
| tigert | cd /home/user/; mkdir .fonts | 23:53 |
| timelyx | it's um... not a particularly pleasant experience | 23:53 |
| tigert | cp the MS web fonts there | 23:53 |
| tigert | etc | 23:53 |
| tigert | that works | 23:53 |
| p| | how can i share a package that i have recompiled for armel ? | 23:53 |
| alterego | Cool. | 23:53 |
| timelyx | "share"? | 23:53 |
| alterego | p|, make a garage project. Stick it in some private space. | 23:53 |
| alterego | How ever you like. | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: eee is the Asus Eee PC is a tiny, cheap, Linux-powered x86 laptop: http://eeepc.asus.com/ | 23:54 |
| _Monkey | ...but eee is <reply>... | 23:54 |
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| Jaffa | _Monkey: forget eee | 23:54 |
| _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot eee | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: eee is the Asus Eee PC is a tiny, cheap, Linux-powered x86 laptop: http://eeepc.asus.com/ | 23:54 |
| _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. | 23:54 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: oh sure, fill _Monkey with useful data, why don't you... | 23:54 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: it won't happen again ;-) | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | _Monkey: foo is bar | 23:55 |
| _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. | 23:55 |
| tigert | eee? | 23:55 |
| _Monkey | eee is probably the Asus Eee PC is a tiny, cheap, Linux-powered x86 laptop: http://eeepc.asus.com/ | 23:55 |
| tigert | eeek | 23:55 |
| Jaffa | Not even _Monkey's *that* dumb ;-) | 23:55 |
| timelyx | just you wait enry iggins! | 23:55 |
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| * timelyx wonders how to pronounce that in en-FI or en-CZ ? | 23:56 | |
| alterego | Neat. | 23:56 |
| alterego | How much are they going to cost? | 23:56 |
| timelyx | Jaffa / tigert: do you two get the reference? | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | alterego: On sale in the UK for Â230ukp incl. postage. i.e. about $400 and *cheaper* than an N810 | 23:57 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: rings a bell, but I can't place it. | 23:57 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 23:57 |
| alterego | Are they hackable? | 23:57 |
| * timelyx busy 'aits on tigert | 23:58 | |
| Jaffa | alterego: indeed. Someone installed straight Ubuntu on one. You can even install XP if you like. | 23:58 |
| alterego | Can't find a spec :/ | 23:58 |
| Jaffa | Runs KDE by default off a Xandros-based distro. | 23:58 |
| Jaffa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC | 23:58 |
| alterego | Yuk | 23:58 |
| legind | is there any equivalent to cron that comes with maemo? | 23:59 |
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| tigert | timelyx: had to resort to google :/ | 23:59 |
| Jaffa | legind: there's an alarm API, but no cron implementation which uses that API (yet) | 23:59 |
| Jaffa | AFAIK. | 23:59 |
| legind | i'm just wondering how /tmp gets dumped | 23:59 |
| legind | and how often | 23:59 |
| tigert | timelyx: but it reminded me of "pahk the cah on the havahd yahd" | 23:59 |
| timelyx | heh | 23:59 |
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