| * alterego wonders if the Python GTK bindings implement Widget#show_all as a recursive method calling show, (in python) on all the children) .. | 00:00 | |
| alterego | That would be insanity | 00:00 |
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| alterego | And also really dumb. Ignore me, I'm probably drunk. | 00:00 |
| Jiten | doesn't C-version of gtk+ have a show_all function? | 00:01 |
| gla55 | alterego: fyi, theres also python for s60 | 00:01 |
| alterego | gla55, ruby too ;) | 00:01 |
| alterego | But yes. I've been interested in playing with those on a Symbian device. | 00:01 |
| gla55 | i just wish they would ship the vm's | 00:01 |
| gla55 | with the phones | 00:01 |
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| alterego | Python to JVM bytecode? | 00:02 |
| gla55 | no, i meant ship the python environment with the phones | 00:02 |
| Jiten | I could play with maemo or symbian. I chose to play with maemo. I've got 6120 classic and n800. | 00:02 |
| gla55 | so it would be more feasible to do consumer apps with it | 00:02 |
| gla55 | Jiten: probably keeps you saner | 00:03 |
| alterego | I want to play with Maemo _and_ Symbian :) | 00:03 |
| alterego | I want to get them to play together too. | 00:03 |
| alterego | I'd love to splurt out my plans. But | 00:04 |
| alterego | Well, I want to do them. So I don't want to risk other people doing it before I do :) | 00:04 |
| * alterego hates reinventing the wheel. | 00:04 | |
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| alterego | There's no doubt there's would be better than mine too. | 00:05 |
| Jiten | heh, I don't really mind others doing my ideas :) | 00:05 |
| alterego | Then I'd get depressed. | 00:05 |
| alterego | Jiten, I'm used to that. | 00:05 |
| alterego | So far, no one seems to be working on the kinds of things that I've got planned. | 00:06 |
| alterego | So I'd rather I do them and get all the credit. | 00:06 |
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| * Jaffa yawns | 00:06 | |
| alterego | I'm not after money. Just fame and women. | 00:06 |
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| ds3 | is there a jpeg viewer that will handle really really big JPEGs? | 00:07 |
| alterego | Has anyone noticed a bug with the notes application? Basically, when it's not fullscreen if the toolbar is being displayed. The menu popup that houses the buttons that don't fit on it don't show anything. Just a very small menu popup with very small _blank_ entries .. | 00:08 |
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| sp3000 | alterego: serves you right for installing fonts with long names | 00:09 |
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| alterego | I'm not sure whether it's worth submitting bugs for OS2007 as OS2008 is so close. And all the changes make these kinds of issues at least, not worth talking about until they show up in the new version. | 00:10 |
| alterego | sp3000, I wasn't aware I'd installed any fonts. | 00:10 |
| alterego | Well .. Except those for osso-xterm maybe .. | 00:10 |
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| Andy80 | hi again...from my n770 HE :) | 00:15 |
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| chx | hi. what do you think of mysql-server on N810? I have seen it's available in Debian for ARM | 00:20 |
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| alterego | I can't think of a use for it. But obviously someone has. | 00:21 |
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| chx | alterego: I am a Drupal developer and I want a device to devel... everytime. I need a LAMP stack in my pocket. With a keyboard. Preferably with GPS. With wifi. That's N810. | 00:23 |
| chx | I was eyeing the N800 with sqlite but the N810 with a *keyboard* blows my socks | 00:23 |
| chx | also, what's this with "up to 2gb internal memory" ? http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_en_R1.html | 00:24 |
| TechJunkie | I think they are just referring to the 2gb built in flash storage... comes loaded with a bunch of map data by default.. | 00:25 |
| chx | I was heavily eyeing the openmoko but a small,small phone with bluetooth and an N810 (again, keyboard) seems much better | 00:25 |
| Jiten | chx: I think it's just funny way of saying, comes with 2GB sd-card welded under the hood | 00:25 |
| chx | ah i see | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | ...and that if you uninstall/delete the maps, you've got "up to 2GB" | 00:26 |
| alterego | Nokia are like that. | 00:26 |
| chx | so, if it's in Debian ARM, it's useable w/ N810 too? | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | chx: agreed on the small phone and the tablet, though. Works well with my Sony Ericsson W850i | 00:26 |
| Jiten | ah, right, map storage | 00:26 |
| alterego | Like (up to 128Mb) (includes contact, messages, images, video blah blah blah,. | 00:26 |
| TechJunkie | what I want to know is if that 2gb is is mounted as /media/mmc2 :) It would at least make a nice root partition. | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | chx: you'll need to recompile as Maemo's using the armel EABI now, which Debian/ARM hasn't moved to (yet) | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | There's also some packaging weirdness, so this is where I plug mud-builder. | 00:27 |
| alterego | TechJunkie, I'd imagine there will be a dual booting how-to pretty quickly. | 00:27 |
| alterego | The only packaging weirdness is user/* :P | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | And XB-Maemo-Icon | 00:28 |
| alterego | Maybe debhelper version and icon too. | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | yeah :-p | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | anyway, don't stop me plugging my stuff - there's a device programme in effect ;) | 00:28 |
| alterego | Jaffa, yeah but the icon's are hardly important. Well, even if they are to me ;) | 00:28 |
| alterego | :) | 00:28 |
| chx | thx | 00:28 |
| chx | i am excited | 00:29 |
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| * chx opens an envelope and puts $500 in it and labels N810 | 00:29 | |
| alterego | I'm tired. | 00:29 |
| chx | good night | 00:29 |
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| alterego | G'night | 00:29 |
| * alterego sleeps | 00:29 | |
| Jaffa | g'night | 00:30 |
| koen | chx should exchange that for euros | 00:33 |
| koen | when the n810 comes out the dollar will be even worth less that toilet paper | 00:33 |
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| Jaffa | 1.2m iPhones in one quarter. FFS, that's good. | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only they had a bash prompt. ;) | 00:35 |
| Jaffa | It's mind boggling to me. I'd wager that's order of magnitude more than all Maemo devices put together have sold in 2 years. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to see some solid sales figure on the Maemo devices. | 00:38 |
| timely_changelog | you won't | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Duh | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I can hope | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's telling that I've yet to see, hear or meet anybody with one in my day-to-day interactions. | 00:40 |
| zerojay | I haven't either, but almost everyone that sees me with it asks me about it. | 00:40 |
| zerojay | Last time I went out drinking, I had about 10 people crowding around just to watch me do a google search. :/ | 00:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:42 |
| timely_changelog | well | 00:42 |
| timely_changelog | if you go to gnome confs | 00:42 |
| timely_changelog | you'll see hem | 00:42 |
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| * Jaffa was asked about his N800 on the train on the day of the N810 announcement. One of my colleagues has an N800, and I sold my 770 to another :-) | 00:57 | |
| Jaffa | zerojay: btw, dunno if you saw http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel - but you expressed an interest about it on ITT | 00:58 |
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| doug1 | what is the command to delete something from the terminal? | 01:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Becareful! | 01:36 |
| dolske | hmm, so, I've got the Maemo VM appliance running now... how exactly do I go about pulling and building the sources? | 01:36 |
| dolske | http://maemo.org/development/sources/ et al is... unclear. | 01:37 |
| dolske | actually, hmm... timely_changelog: am I starting down the right path for building MicroB? | 01:38 |
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| doug1 | hmmm | 01:38 |
| jono | hi all | 01:38 |
| doug1 | rm can't remove directories | 01:38 |
| jono | anyone know if it is possible to reset an n800 so all the software resets to the factory default settings? | 01:38 |
| dolske | doug1: rmdir foo, or rm -rf foo. | 01:39 |
| doublec | dolske: I recently went through the pain of building microb if you need help | 01:39 |
| dolske | doublec: have a cheatsheet? :) | 01:39 |
| doublec | i'm plannig to write a blog post about it, but haven't got around to it yet | 01:39 |
| doug1 | dolske: thank you | 01:39 |
| TechJunkie | jono: You just want it as if it was shipped to you fresh? | 01:40 |
| jono | TechJunkie: yep | 01:40 |
| TechJunkie | Well you could just reflash it then with the latest OS image.... do you have a Windows or Linux PC ? | 01:40 |
| doublec | i used the bora sdk - which one are you using? | 01:40 |
| dolske | doublec: should be bora, I just grabbed the preinstalled VMWare appliance that should have the basic environment all there... | 01:41 |
| doublec | ok, grab the microb source from svn | 01:42 |
| doublec | but pull all of it, not just microb-engine | 01:42 |
| doublec | (because you want libidl too) | 01:42 |
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| TechJunkie | jono: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 | 01:42 |
| doublec | svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/ | 01:43 |
| doublec | or get trunk/libidl and trunk/microb-engine | 01:43 |
| dolske | aha, just saw http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html | 01:43 |
| doublec | yeah, but you need to do more than is listed there | 01:43 |
| doublec | You need to build libidl first for example | 01:43 |
| timely_changelog | file a bug :) | 01:44 |
| doublec | timely_changelog: good idea - i'll do that :) | 01:44 |
| timely_changelog | bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Browser | 01:44 |
| jono | TechJunkie: thanks | 01:44 |
| jono | I am trying to install skype and there are lots of missing dependencies | 01:45 |
| timely_changelog | how are you rying to install skype? | 01:45 |
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| jono | timely_changelog: loading it from the web browser download link and it loads in the application manager | 01:45 |
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| dolske | svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine': Could not resolve hostname `garage.maemo.org': Temporary failure in name resolution (https://garage.maemo.org) | 01:46 |
| jono | timely_changelog: any idea how I fix this? | 01:47 |
| dolske | ?! Firefox is working fine. | 01:47 |
| TechJunkie | jono: Just to be clear, that wizard download from Nokia will walk you through re-flashing the N800 with the latest OS. But you will loose any configuration, apps you've installed, etc. It's literally a "fresh start". | 01:47 |
| timely_changelog | dolske: do you have dns properly configured? | 01:47 |
| timely_changelog | usually nswitch.conf or something is corrupt | 01:47 |
| jono | TechJunkie: cool, thanks | 01:47 |
| timely_changelog | (doesn't list dns) | 01:47 |
| timely_changelog | dolske: the other version of this is that you don't have dns in the other file... | 01:48 |
| jono | TechJunkie: have you done this on linux? | 01:48 |
| timely_changelog | jono: wiki.maemo.org covers flashing moderately well... | 01:49 |
| doublec | dolske: echo "hosts: files dns" > /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 01:49 |
| doublec | see: http://www.linuxmachine.net/2007/07/developing-on-the-n800-part-one/ | 01:49 |
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| dolske | what exactly is scratchbox? a VM? | 01:50 |
| jono | ok I will flash it | 01:50 |
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| * jono goes to find a USB cable | 01:50 | |
| timely_changelog | doslke: a messed up chroot | 01:50 |
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| timely_changelog | how it works depends on which emulation kit you use | 01:51 |
| timely_changelog | qemu is one choice, sbrsh is another | 01:51 |
| timely_changelog | in some cases it will actually run the commands on a real device | 01:51 |
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| dolske | cat /etc/resolv.conf | 01:57 |
| dolske | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 01:57 |
| dolske | wrong! now to figure out where that resolv.conf is actually at :/ | 01:57 |
| timely_changelog | dolske: i said it was one of two problems\ | 01:59 |
| timely_changelog | that's the other one :) | 01:59 |
| timely_changelog | usually, you can copy the system one into sb | 01:59 |
| dolske | ok, now we're going... | 02:00 |
| dolske | Error validating server certificate for 'https://garage.maemo.org:443': | 02:01 |
| dolske | - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the | 02:01 |
| dolske | fingerprint to validate the certificate manually! | 02:01 |
| dolske | timely: still owe you a bug on that :-) | 02:01 |
| dolske | oh, hmm, in this particular case it seems to be svn's stupidity, FF trunk loads that fine. | 02:02 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: I happened to see your announcement this morning actually. I haven't tried the server yet, but it looks promising. I'll probably play with it later on tonight. Thanks for the heads-up. ;) | 02:03 |
| dolske | does building for armel imply I'll have to copy binaries to my device to test with, or is there an emulator in this thing? | 02:04 |
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| doublec | there's an emulator | 02:05 |
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| doublec | but i've not tried it personally | 02:05 |
| timely_changelog | you can try using qemu | 02:05 |
| timely_changelog | but it won't work w/ various things | 02:05 |
| dolske | hmm, so I guess I should target x86 until I feel like going through the hassle of testing on a device? | 02:05 |
| timely_changelog | and is officially unsupported | 02:05 |
| dolske | do most things work equally well on x86 vs armel, or is that going to give me hardaches too? :) | 02:06 |
| doublec | x86 seems to work quite well | 02:09 |
| doublec | not that I've stressed it much | 02:09 |
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| dolske | Hmmm... "fakeroot apt-get build-dep microb-engine" I guess the "fakeroot" bit implies that's run outside of scratchbox? | 02:16 |
| TPC | stupid human body needing sleep | 02:18 |
| doublec | dolske: you run that inside scratchbox | 02:18 |
| dolske | Hmm. "E: Unable to find a source package for microb-engine" is there a different repository for microb? | 02:21 |
| dolske | I already have a "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras" entry... | 02:21 |
| doublec | i didn't bother running that actually | 02:22 |
| doublec | i went straight to the buildpackage | 02:22 |
| doublec | and retrieved dependancies when it reported the error | 02:23 |
| doublec | which you'll get when it asks for libidl-dev | 02:23 |
| dolske | > fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc | 02:24 |
| dolske | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory | 02:24 |
| doublec | are you in directory microb-engine/microb-engine | 02:24 |
| dolske | no, should I be? | 02:24 |
| doublec | yes | 02:24 |
| dolske | ugh, that's entirely unclear. | 02:25 |
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| doublec | it mentions it on the howto page :) | 02:25 |
| dolske | Sort of... it's under a "Debian Environment, desktop/scratchbox:" header, whatever that means | 02:26 |
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| dolske | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libidl-dev quilt bc libcairo2-dev | 02:27 |
| dolske | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. | 02:27 |
| dolske | dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) | 02:27 |
| doublec | ok, you need to build libidl | 02:27 |
| doublec | which you should have from the svn checkout | 02:27 |
| dolske | yeah, I saw it scroll by. | 02:27 |
| doublec | so in the libidl directory | 02:27 |
| doublec | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc | 02:28 |
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| dolske | Hmm, that wants flex. :) | 02:28 |
| doublec | See this page to fix that: | 02:29 |
| doublec | http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/Apophis-r4 | 02:29 |
| jeremyb | flex? | 02:29 |
| _Monkey | somebody said flex was (for 770) echo " http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free flex" >> /etc/apt/sources list && apt-get update && apt-get install flex | 02:29 |
| doublec | search for 'flex' | 02:29 |
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| * jeremyb hears flex and thinks XUL and/or adobe thing | 02:29 | |
| doublec | under 'Crocodile' | 02:29 |
| doublec | flex = lexical parsing tool | 02:29 |
| jeremyb | oh, hehe | 02:29 |
| doublec | :)\ | 02:30 |
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| doublec | dolske: one you do that libidl should build | 02:30 |
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| dolske | ok, it's building now. | 02:31 |
| doublec | then fakeroot dpkg -i libidl_foo_bar_baz.deb libidl-dev_foo_bar_baz.deb | 02:31 |
| doublec | then change back to microb-engine/microb-engine | 02:31 |
| doublec | and do: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc -d | 02:31 |
| doublec | note the '-d' at the end | 02:31 |
| doublec | to ignore the other dependancies | 02:31 |
| dolske | "foo_bar_baz" literally? | 02:32 |
| doublec | no :) | 02:33 |
| doublec | various version numbers and architecture names | 02:33 |
| dolske | you've lost me, where am I supposed to get that from? | 02:34 |
| doublec | the .deb files should be in the current directory, created by the build | 02:35 |
| doublec | or one directory up, I forget | 02:35 |
| doublec | find .. -name "*.deb" -print | 02:36 |
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| dolske | oh, they're in ../ wtf? | 02:36 |
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| dolske | is microb-engine/tarballs/mozilla.tar.gz all the Nokia patches? | 02:39 |
| dolske | oh, hmm, crapped out again: | 02:39 |
| dolske | Couldn't find quilt. Please install it or add it to the build-depends for this package. | 02:39 |
| dolske | make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 | 02:39 |
| doublec | did you add the -d to buildpackage? | 02:39 |
| doublec | so it ignores dependancies? | 02:39 |
| dolske | yeah, it chugged for a bit with a screen or two of output and then died. | 02:41 |
| dolske | apt-get install quilt works from the host, so I guess I need to hack scratchbox to add it? | 02:42 |
| doublec | i'm pretty sure i didn't have to do that | 02:42 |
| doublec | strange | 02:42 |
| * doublec checks | 02:42 | |
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| doublec | what does fakeroot apt-cache search quilt show? | 02:45 |
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| doublec | (from scratchbox) | 02:45 |
| dolske | nothing. | 02:45 |
| dolske | I'm using the scratchbox that came with the VM, maybe it's older? | 02:46 |
| doublec | mine says: quilt - quilt from scratchbox | 02:46 |
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| doublec | could be | 02:50 |
| doublec | i installed from scratch | 02:50 |
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| massoud | Ehlo again there | 02:54 |
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| massoud | I was wondering how can I add an "extra" menu for the new apps installed (ssh, ...) | 02:55 |
| massoud | with my n770 2007 FW edition | 02:55 |
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| massoud | for instance ssh client (osso) is installed but I don t see how can I acces the bin to run a xterm ? | 02:56 |
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| massoud | I don t see how can I add the extra menu ? | 03:15 |
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| pupnik | massoud - i dunno about 2007 - is there a task navigator in Control panel? | 03:16 |
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| massoud | pupnick : I check | 03:17 |
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| massoud | I don t see it hmm | 03:20 |
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| dolske | wow, scratchbox is not exactly tiny. 176MB! | 03:29 |
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| tmccrary | Does the N810 actually come with a built in FM transmitter? I've seen it mentioned on a few websites, but I don't see any of the official docs mention it. | 03:35 |
| tmccrary | I am looking forward to upgrading my N770 | 03:35 |
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| TPC | tmccrary, no, there is no built in fm transmitter | 03:39 |
| celesteh | the 800 ras an fm receiver. maybe there's confusion about that? | 03:39 |
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| TPC | one page listed it as an add-on you could buy, some other site read it wrong and listed it as built in, then it spread to a few more places, one of which you probably read it on | 03:39 |
| tmccrary | ah, that sucks, but I suppose an add-on will do. Thanks for clearing that up for me :) | 03:40 |
| tmccrary | Is there anyword on when the general public will be able to buy one of these? I've only seen "November" | 03:41 |
| TPC | mid november, not anything more specific than that | 03:42 |
| zerojay | Wouldn't be surprised if it was a month to the day of the announcement. | 03:42 |
| TPC | altought you really should consider getting a N800, the price on them have dropped recently, and the hardware is almost the same | 03:42 |
| TPC | its really worth getting instead if you can live without keyboard and GPS | 03:43 |
| TPC | (can always get an external GPS) | 03:43 |
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| dolske | *sigh* | 04:05 |
| dolske | I updated scratchbox to try and fix the quilt problem, and now dpkg-buildpackage disappeared. | 04:05 |
| dolske | Looks like "try building MicroB" will go back to the bottom of the to-do list, maybe tools will be more usuable in a month or three. :( | 04:06 |
| doublec | what instructions did you follow to install scratchbox? | 04:11 |
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| doublec | I followed this: http://www.linuxmachine.net/2007/07/developing-on-the-n800-part-one/ | 04:11 |
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| pupnik | I think the 810 looks byootiful. | 04:34 |
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| pupnik | i need to hear the fceu-test report on N800 | 04:42 |
| pupnik | i mean N810 | 04:43 |
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| doublec | I added a bug about the build documentation for microb: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152 | 05:01 |
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| fASG | @find solutions | 07:52 |
| fASG | @find solutions | 07:53 |
| fASG | !search solutions | 07:53 |
| fASG | !help | 07:53 |
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| Zvjer | morning | 10:26 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:26 |
| Veggen | (pet peeve: Why does _Monkey respond to those?) | 10:29 |
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| Veggen | ...and *who* owns _Monkey? (never got a reply on that one :) | 10:30 |
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| sciboy | Hi fab! | 11:03 |
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| fab | hi sciboy | 11:04 |
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| timely_changelog | hello #maemo | 12:22 |
| timely_changelog | in case people are curious, it does seem to be /almost/ possible to browse https://maemo.org/profile/view/ | 12:23 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, timely_changelog. | 12:23 |
| timely_changelog | ? | 12:23 |
| timely_changelog | anyway, steps: | 12:23 |
| timely_changelog | 1. search garage: https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=people&words=com&Search=Search | 12:23 |
| timely_changelog | 2. pick a name, e.g. zion | 12:24 |
| timely_changelog | 3. load https://maemo.org/profile/view/zion.html | 12:24 |
| timely_changelog | (searching for 'tom\ seems to work better than 'com') | 12:25 |
| c0ffee | hum hum | 12:28 |
| c0ffee | SPASS 3.0 for n800 :) | 12:28 |
| c0ffee | an pretty advanced automated theorem prover | 12:29 |
| c0ffee | also most non-trivial problems will probably hit the resource limits of the n800 faster than you can say bleep | 12:29 |
| DRoBeR | Hello again | 12:29 |
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| b0unc3 | hi | 12:43 |
| _Monkey | que tal, b0unc3 | 12:43 |
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| unique311 | wikipedia asking for donations...wow | 12:58 |
| unique311 | why not just put up a couple of google adds... | 12:59 |
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| bansteen | hello every one | 13:12 |
| bansteen | i can't drag divs in the web browser | 13:12 |
| bansteen | not in google map too | 13:12 |
| zerojay | File a bug. | 13:13 |
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| bansteen | nokia n800 has dragging capabilities | 13:13 |
| Jiten | oh that's right. I was thinking about filing a bug on that but I forgot after I noticed google maps data showing perfectly fine in maemo mapper. | 13:13 |
| bansteen | but why cant i drag in google map | 13:14 |
| bansteen | dragging doest not work in any website | 13:14 |
| zerojay | maybe it's because dragging usually activates scrolling. | 13:14 |
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| bansteen | do u know any solution pal | 13:19 |
| bansteen | zerojay:? | 13:19 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 13:20 |
| zerojay | File a bug. | 13:20 |
| bansteen | zerojay:lol | 13:21 |
| bansteen | zerojay:I have a deadline today | 13:21 |
| bansteen | zerojay:but i will file a bug | 13:22 |
| sp3000 | it works in microb, so... | 13:22 |
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| bansteen | sp3000:r u sure? | 13:25 |
| bansteen | sp3000:i have it installed | 13:25 |
| zerojay | Yeah, if the bug is on Opera, it's just not going to be fixed. | 13:25 |
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| bansteen | i have microb but still i cant drag divs or google map | 13:25 |
| bansteen | inside micro b browser | 13:25 |
| bansteen | i select the engine opera to micro b | 13:26 |
| bansteen | or microb to opera | 13:26 |
| bansteen | it does not change | 13:26 |
| bansteen | it always stays microb | 13:26 |
| zerojay | It just doesn't change which is selected by default in that menu. | 13:26 |
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| zerojay | If you want microb, select it and then restart your browser. | 13:27 |
| bansteen | yes | 13:27 |
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| bansteen | will dragging work then | 13:27 |
| zerojay | Try it. | 13:27 |
| zerojay | Works for me. | 13:27 |
| bansteen | ok trying | 13:27 |
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| bansteen | thnks man | 13:31 |
| bansteen | its working | 13:31 |
| bansteen | thnks a lot | 13:31 |
| zerojay | enjoy. | 13:31 |
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| Jiten | ah, right, you can already install microb. I guess I should try it. | 13:37 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:41 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:41 |
| lardman | Anyone with knowlege of mmus out there? | 13:41 |
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| lardman | I'll even take people with a vague idea of what they are... :) | 13:43 |
| zerojay | memory mapping unit? | 13:44 |
| lardman | yep | 13:44 |
| * zerojay wins a ceee-gar. | 13:44 | |
| lardman | :) | 13:44 |
| mgedmin | any prizes for the second place? | 13:45 |
| lardman | Does anyone know how mmus can share memory - i.e. the ARM mmu and the DSP mmu somehow share memory - this may be by exporting the DSP memory space via a /dev entry (/dec/dsp/mem or something like that) | 13:45 |
| zerojay | A free beta of the Microb browser. ;) | 13:45 |
| lardman | if that's true, the kernel would be talking to the DSP's mmu | 13:46 |
| alterego | Does the DSP have an MMU? | 13:47 |
| lardman | I ask because I've run out of TLB's on the ARM side, and was wondering why. It appears that the ARM mmu only maps 0x10000 bytes of memory to a single tlb | 13:47 |
| lardman | alterego: yes | 13:47 |
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| alterego | Interesting. | 13:47 |
| lardman | alterego: http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspsupporttechdocsc.tsp?abstractName=spru671§ionId=3&tabId=409 | 13:48 |
| alterego | It's okay, I believe you :P | 13:49 |
| alterego | My RSI is playing up a bit today :/ Might have to code with one hand. | 13:49 |
| lardman | alterego: just for completeness' sake :) | 13:50 |
| alterego | :) | 13:50 |
| lardman | Anyway, it appears that the DSP mmu can map in different sized chunks, I was hoping to map 0x100000 words (which the DSP mmu should do with a single tlb), but on the ARM side this is then mapped with lots of tlbs in 0x10000 chunks | 13:50 |
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| alterego | Right | 13:51 |
| lardman | as there are only 32 tlbs on the ARM (so I've read) and I'm getting an error, I thought I'd ask what on earth is going on - i.e. don't tlbs get reused (perhaps not in this case, hence the question about how memory is shared) and can't the ARM use a larger page size? | 13:52 |
| alterego | I'd imagine that's a kernel thing. | 13:53 |
| lardman | oh yes, this is all in the kernel | 13:54 |
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| lardman | hmm, distinct lack of mmu-ishness atm | 14:17 |
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| * alterego wonders if OS2008 will come out before the N810 | 14:25 | |
| Robot101 | alterego: I think they'll be released at the same time, to flash on the N800 at the same time as the N810 comes out | 14:26 |
| alterego | Hmm, | 14:27 |
| alterego | Personally I think it'd be better to release it just before the N810 comes out/ | 14:27 |
| alterego | N800 owners will then have the option to update and those of use that are developing software can update and test. | 14:27 |
| alterego | Then when everyones favorite apps are ready for maemo4 N800 owners can update and N810 owners will have packages ready and waiting :) | 14:28 |
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| alterego | :/ | 14:32 |
| sciboy | WTF! The PDF reader doesn't save your spot when closing a document. | 14:34 |
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| alterego | Nope | 14:36 |
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| sciboy | WTF! The PDF reader doesn't save your spot when closing a document. | 14:39 |
| sciboy | Any suggestions? | 14:39 |
| _Monkey | Any suggestions are welcome | 14:39 |
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| alterego | Heh | 14:39 |
| alterego | Don't close the PDF reader. | 14:40 |
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| * alterego attempts to decide on the best way to make a new ruby/maemo website. | 14:45 | |
| Jiten | I managed to get my mnemosyne port to react as fast as the program menu pops up when you tap on it. | 14:51 |
| Jiten | no, I didn't optimize the code. I just made use of the gobject.idle_add function | 14:52 |
| keesj | alterego: in what sence? | 14:52 |
| Jiten | there was one legitimate usage of cpu power and another (bigger) that I'd like to optimize away completely when I have time. | 14:54 |
| alterego | Wiki, news/blog, documentation blah blah | 14:54 |
| Jiten | no sense doing same calculations over and over again. | 14:54 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 15:03 |
| mbjohn | hello | 15:03 |
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| Andy80 | today my n770 with os2007 rebooted two times :( | 15:04 |
| Andy80 | not so stable.... | 15:05 |
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| sciboy | Is xmoto worth downloading? | 15:14 |
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| keesj | haha :p | 15:16 |
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| keesj | I do play it sometimes, but it's a little slow | 15:17 |
| keesj | I really wonder how much faster it will be on the 810 | 15:18 |
| sciboy | Does it support ugly mode? | 15:18 |
| keesj | yes, but that doens't really speedup | 15:18 |
| script | is there any way to recover passwords on maemo.org? i cannot logon to my account anymore | 15:18 |
| keesj | starting with 640x480 is better of even a little smaller | 15:18 |
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| keesj | script: do you have you n800 now? | 15:19 |
| script | keesj: ? | 15:19 |
| script | keesj: i only have a 770 | 15:19 |
| sciboy | Shame it seems that nokia doesn't want to comit to 3d support. | 15:20 |
| keesj | sorry that was for sciboy :p | 15:20 |
| sciboy | Yes | 15:20 |
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| sciboy | Chatting to you on it. | 15:21 |
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| sciboy | Although there isn't any wifi reception in my room. =/ | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obivously the only way is to setup up a Rails deployment on your N800, alterego. :P | 15:22 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:23 |
| alterego | I guess all I really need is a simple wiki | 15:24 |
| alterego | Everything else I can hack together in a few minutes. | 15:24 |
| keesj | haha | 15:24 |
| alterego | few minutes each ;) | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just make it lightweight and functional. | 15:26 |
| keesj | you should start writing software in ruby to write websites on the maemo platform | 15:27 |
| alterego | keesj, I am. | 15:27 |
| keesj | good! | 15:27 |
| alterego | I'm writing an XML editor and a CSS editor which run standalone but are also embedded into a "Web Builder" application. | 15:28 |
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| alterego | Targetted specifically at tablets :) | 15:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ooh, sounds cool. | 15:29 |
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| Solarion | can maemo.org buy maemo.com please? :) | 15:34 |
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| pupnik_ | ignored | 15:39 |
| keesj | call +82.313880888 and ask http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5c120bec | 15:39 |
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| Solarion | keesj: is that for me? | 15:41 |
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| alterego | Groovy. | 16:39 |
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| lardman | hmm, anyone else having troubles with ITT forum access atm? | 17:26 |
| Tak | seems ok to me - are you having trouble with something in particular? | 17:27 |
| lardman | connection is being reset | 17:27 |
| lardman | ah, just started working again | 17:27 |
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| civodul | Hi! | 17:55 |
| civodul | anyone has experience with MUD? | 17:55 |
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| Tak | MultiUserDungeon, or MaemoUnofficialDebs ? | 17:56 |
| civodul | the latter :-) | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | I once built a single package with mud-builder | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | does that count as experience? | 17:57 |
| Tak | I built a few packages with mud-builder | 17:57 |
| keesj | what are the pins behind the 770? | 17:57 |
| civodul | mgedmin: sure :-) | 17:57 |
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| mgedmin | esp given that that was a long time ago and I forgot everything | 17:58 |
| Tak | what I was really waiting for was autosubmission to garage extras | 17:58 |
| civodul | I'm trying to build Guile 1.8 and I fail miserably | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | keesj: serial console of some kind, afaiu | 17:58 |
| keesj | jtag? | 17:58 |
| keesj | civodul: I can try to help later on today(I think I made moost of the mud packages) | 17:59 |
| civodul | what happens is that MUD fetches a bunch of dependencies and apt-get ends up failing | 17:59 |
| civodul | I suspect the dependency parser breaks: "Need extra deps: provided, Dependency, dpatch, texinfo, by" | 17:59 |
| civodul | keesj: thanks, I'll keep trying in the meantime | 18:00 |
| Tak | hmm, trac's side-by-side diff view needs some work | 18:03 |
| disq | maemo garage needs trac :P | 18:05 |
| civodul | how's one supposed to populate MUD's `sources.list'? | 18:05 |
| Tak | * needs trac :-D | 18:05 |
| keesj | civodul: you can add one in you own mud file | 18:06 |
| keesj | can you paste the mud file on http://paste-it.net/ ? | 18:07 |
| civodul | keesj: "mud file"? you mean the package'ss `.xml' file? | 18:07 |
| * civodul must have missed something :-) | 18:07 | |
| keesj | yes the xml file | 18:07 |
| civodul | ok | 18:07 |
| civodul | keesj: http://paste-it.net/4103 | 18:08 |
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| keesj | is there a source .deb you want to use? | 18:12 |
| civodul | keesj: the one from Debian unstable | 18:13 |
| keesj | it looks like the standards debian repo used does not contain the file | 18:13 |
| civodul | keesj: I tried adding a <deb-src> tag under <fetch> | 18:13 |
| civodul | <deb-src>http://ftp.debian.org/ unstable main</deb-src> | 18:13 |
| civodul | doesn't do the trick, though | 18:13 |
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| keesj | civodul: I will look a little more at home, I can't find the source debian file , not even on the web | 18:30 |
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| keesj | building frmo source looks more promessing http://paste-it.net/4104/raw/ | 18:31 |
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| lopz | hi | 18:34 |
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| alterego | I am right in thinking that LibOSSO will be eventually replaced by muari? | 18:46 |
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| keesj | re | 19:07 |
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| civodul | keesj: building from source looks cool, but one has to somehow tell it what the dependencies are... | 19:10 |
| keesj | I renamed the guile to guile-1.8 and it's now compiling | 19:11 |
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| civodul | keesj: how about the dependencies? readline, libltdl, gmp, etc. | 19:12 |
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| civodul | keesj: BTW, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/guile-1.8/guile-1.8_1.8.2+1.orig.tar.gz | 19:13 |
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| keesj | the first error I met from building from source some other gnu package | 19:14 |
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| keesj | civodul: some are "legal" deps and other "not so much" | 19:15 |
| keesj | gmp == general purpose mouse I guess that you need to "configure" your way out of these packages | 19:15 |
| mgedmin | no, gmp is not gpm | 19:15 |
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| keesj | mgedmin: alright :p | 19:16 |
| civodul | keesj: gmp = GNU Multi-Precision lib | 19:16 |
| shapr | I finally got a2dp working from my desktop. | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | gmp is gnu multiprecision something or other, a library for calculating with very precise numbers | 19:16 |
| keesj | this is where is end now http://paste-it.net/a4ce4ca | 19:16 |
| shapr | In case anyone else wants to do a2dp from their desktop, I can help them through the rough spots. | 19:16 |
| civodul | hmm | 19:16 |
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| civodul | keesj: I went with this: http://paste-it.net/4107/raw/ | 19:17 |
| keesj | civodul: and you named the file guile-1.8 ? | 19:18 |
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| civodul | keesj: and it eventually failed like this: http://paste-it.net/4108/raw/ | 19:18 |
| civodul | keesj: yes, `guile-1.8.xml' | 19:18 |
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| civodul | keesj: note borked line 14 | 19:20 |
| keesj | Ok I guess you show now contentrate on building gdbm the same way you do for guile | 19:20 |
| keesj | I see Jaffa ? | 19:21 |
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| akai--- | hi | 19:22 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, akai--- | 19:22 |
| civodul | //whois akai--- | 19:22 |
| civodul | he ;-) | 19:22 |
| akai--- | http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/_gl_images_/tkzinc-demo1.jpg <-- do you know what theme is this? | 19:22 |
| Tak | n800 default theme? | 19:23 |
| akai--- | hmm | 19:23 |
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| keesj | civodul: I have a different error message at the present time so it's hard to help you | 19:25 |
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| civodul | keesj: it's the output of `dpkg-checkbuilddeps' that's not being parsed correctly in Debian.pm | 19:27 |
| keesj | and the tiger is a well known svg document :p | 19:28 |
| civodul | keesj: for gdbm I get this: http://paste-it.net/4110/raw/ | 19:28 |
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| keesj | ok, so it should just not go on with these deps right? | 19:29 |
| civodul | sort of | 19:30 |
| civodul | it erroneously parses the lines "Dependency provided by Scratchbox" | 19:30 |
| keesj | those are build deps anyway | 19:30 |
| civodul | so it thinks the package depends on "Dependency", "provided", etc. | 19:30 |
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| civodul | perhaps my `dpkg-checkbuilddeps' is not the right version or something | 19:30 |
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| keesj | it might be right I have a 3.2 sdk | 19:32 |
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| civodul | mine is from `maemo3-debian' | 19:32 |
| civodul | (the devkit) | 19:32 |
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| civodul | keesj: I applied a simple patch against MUD that makes it parse the output of `dpkg-checkbuilddeps' correctly: http://paste-it.net/4111 | 19:37 |
| civodul | I was able to build libgdbm3 at least | 19:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Greasemonkey? | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sweet. | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/3/ | 19:41 |
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| onion | hmm, what package am I missing in chinook sdk as dpkg complain about maemo-select-menu-location not being installed ? | 19:50 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 19:57 |
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| lardman | hmm, I see the n810 has a different (hw) audio codec | 20:49 |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10730&page=6 | 20:49 |
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| Atarii | hey, can sum1 just confirm whether microb works with 2007he or not? | 20:55 |
| * Tak hasn't tried | 20:55 | |
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| snowmoon | Atarii: haven't gotten up the nerve to try after how badly it botched 2006 | 20:57 |
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| jon_ | I'm trying to use client certs in a web browser, is this possible? The site says I'm not presenting any though the cert manager shows them installed... | 21:03 |
| ds3 | does the USB port on the N800 supply power (any power)? | 21:07 |
| ds3 | i know the 770 lacks power even in host mode | 21:07 |
| Tak | I thought the power pins weren't connected on either model | 21:07 |
| ds3 | oh :( | 21:08 |
| lardman | I think the N800 probably does supply power | 21:08 |
| * Tak not an authoritative source | 21:08 | |
| lardman | no-one's had got host working on the n800 | 21:08 |
| lardman | though it looks like OS2008 makes it work | 21:08 |
| ds3 | oh | 21:08 |
| * lardman reads his sentence and cringes | 21:08 | |
| ds3 | thought all it was is a flasher option | 21:09 |
| snowmoon | lardman: you don't need a power injector to get host mode to work right anymore? | 21:09 |
| lardman | ds3: take a look at my post to the maemo-devel list a few minutes ago, it has links to the dmesg output from an n800 with os2008 | 21:09 |
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| lardman | I don't know either way, but the dmesg output indicates that the hub is powered | 21:09 |
| ds3 | who's hosting the list currently? the handheld.org one seems to ahve expired in 2006 | 21:11 |
| keesj | ds3: and there is some power on the usb-port (3.2 volt) | 21:11 |
| lardman | ds3: link http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84835&postcount=159 | 21:11 |
| ds3 | all I want is to be able to use a flash drive | 21:11 |
| snowmoon | self poweing would be a HUGE improvement | 21:11 |
| keesj | that's my volt meter said , and I think it's authoritative, but I don't know how fast I will drop | 21:12 |
| L0cutus | hello | 21:12 |
| keesj | working host woudl be great | 21:12 |
| L0cutus | is nokia n800 usable as a pd a? | 21:12 |
| Atarii | anyone going to game city on thursday? | 21:12 |
| lardman | looks like it does that too - usb drives - look at the rest of the dmesg output | 21:12 |
| snowmoon | L0cutus: Yes and no | 21:12 |
| L0cutus | i think i hae no need sync if it can make backups | 21:12 |
| L0cutus | have* | 21:13 |
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| Jiten | ah, great, then there might be a way to use my usb-stick with my n800 soon? | 21:13 |
| ds3 | hmmm 200mA power budget | 21:13 |
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| Jiten | as long as it doesn't eat too much power | 21:13 |
| lardman | Jiten: I think so | 21:13 |
| ds3 | if that's the case, then all I need now is a tiny USB stick with a miniA connector ;) | 21:13 |
| lardman | :) | 21:13 |
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| ds3 | think there are about 2 things left holding me onto a full laptop - usb sticks and being able to handle a DVD video | 21:14 |
| keesj | haha | 21:15 |
| ds3 | now if I can plug in a self powered DVD drive and the OMAP can decode it too.... | 21:15 |
| lardman | yes, that would be impressive | 21:15 |
| keesj | why not "recode" it first? | 21:16 |
| keesj | and what do you want to put on the usb stick? | 21:16 |
| ds3 | keesj: how? I am talking about being able to be given a DVD at say a trade show and being able to watchit by just putting it in | 21:16 |
| ds3 | the usb stick is for random notes and stuff, maybe PDF files | 21:17 |
| Tak | you just have to adopt a superior attitude | 21:17 |
| Tak | "Pff, DVDs, they're so 20th-century..." | 21:17 |
| Atarii | id like to be able to use external usb wireless cards | 21:17 |
| ds3 | hehehe | 21:17 |
| ds3 | Atarii: what kind of wireless? | 21:17 |
| keesj | I use the nokia's as stick some times | 21:17 |
| Atarii | normal wifi | 21:17 |
| ds3 | what's wrong with the internal wifi? | 21:18 |
| keesj | I have this 4 gig sd card | 21:18 |
| Atarii | the drivers don't support packet injection | 21:18 |
| ds3 | oh fancy stuff | 21:18 |
| keesj | I Think I wil enjoy the gps based stuff very much | 21:18 |
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| Jiten | the reception in the internal wifi is quite good. too bad most access points have worse. | 21:19 |
| ds3 | what's the most flexible USB WiFi stick available? I think the prism3 ones don't do much | 21:19 |
| lardman | Atarii: check the usb modules list | 21:19 |
| keesj | I already did use a BT gps reciever with the 770 | 21:19 |
| Atarii | flexible in what way ds3? | 21:19 |
| ds3 | Atarii: being able to all kinds of stuff, host mode, sniffing, etc | 21:19 |
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| Tak | I have a usb-stick-shaped SD/MMC reader that works well | 21:20 |
| lardman | Atarii: rtl8150, cdc_ether net1080, plusb, rndis_host, cdc_subset, zaurus & usbtest | 21:20 |
| keesj | ds3: I think that openmoko has a quite good page about that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko | 21:21 |
| Atarii | lardman im lost :( | 21:22 |
| Atarii | lol | 21:22 |
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| ds3 | keesj: thanks, that's good info. | 21:24 |
| keesj | not all will be usb based but it's a good list IMHO | 21:24 |
| ds3 | doesn't fully list the capabilities though | 21:25 |
| ds3 | i miss the nonusb prisms being able to do almost anything | 21:25 |
| keesj | I guess you want to hack wifi networks! | 21:25 |
| ds3 | no, I want to debug stuff | 21:25 |
| ds3 | and I don't want to pay the megabux for a proper sniffer | 21:25 |
| lardman | Atarii: those are the interface drivers listed in the dmesg with os2008 | 21:26 |
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| Atarii | ds3 any which use these drivers: http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_drivers | 21:27 |
| ds3 | the N[78][01]0 devices would be great sniffers/test equipment | 21:31 |
| Atarii | indeed | 21:32 |
| keesj | the 770 gets hot when running aircrack | 21:32 |
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| sp3000 | that's ...multimodal feedback! | 21:33 |
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| Atarii | Blackbriar looks interesting | 21:46 |
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| davis | is there a way to do nfs root development with a n770? use the wifi connection as ethernet for it. | 22:06 |
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| maximCT | hmm.. anyone know if there's some sort of "echo-test" for the N800 video call feature? | 22:10 |
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| disq | unfortunately there isn't | 22:18 |
| lardman | hmm, atmasphere just posted to the list that the N810 usb port doesn't provide power out... | 22:19 |
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| Tybor | hi people, anyone got a "freedom universal keyboard"? | 22:24 |
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| sp3000 | post relevant stuff and get syndicated | 22:37 |
| sp3000 | not sure how the latter is triggered | 22:38 |
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| Esworp | hey folks; is there a pdf reader that'll display in portrait? | 22:50 |
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| Esworp | moreso, is anyone fooling around with display rotation in general? | 22:51 |
| flip^ | evince does rotation stuff | 22:53 |
| zaf | just tilt the device 90 degrees, the internal accelerometer will tilt it for you | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: FBReader if you just need text. | 22:53 |
| * zaf hides | 22:53 | |
| Esworp | har de har ha | 22:54 |
| * snowmoon beats zaf with a Apple IIe | 22:54 | |
| |R | there is an accelerometer in the nXXX ? | 22:55 |
| * snowmoon hands |R with a clue stick | 22:56 | |
| |R | :] | 22:57 |
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| * |R doesn't get something with ssh tunnels... | 22:57 | |
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| Tybor | hi people, anyone got a "freedom universal keyboard"? | 22:58 |
| snowmoon | |R: what do you need to know | 22:58 |
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| |R | snowmoon : ssh -w any:any root@192.168.1.3 ... i get a tun0 device, but then everything acts strangely. if i ifconfig eth0 on 192.168.1.3 to 10.0.0.3 ... | 22:59 |
| maximCT | |R: I'm using ssh tunnel from my office to my home pc and run a VPN across for the N800 ... | 22:59 |
| |R | snowmoon: and then on the original 192.168.1.2 set it to 10.0.0.2 ... i can ping 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.2 and 10.0.0.3 ... is there a standard hidden IP with ssh tunnels or what? | 23:00 |
| |R | (10.0.0.1 acts as if it was 10.0.0.3) | 23:00 |
| akai--- | where does one put the cover art so canola shows it? | 23:00 |
| |R | (that's without any route) | 23:01 |
| |R | akai--- : cover.jpg in the album folder? | 23:01 |
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| akai--- | so there has to be an album folder? named exactly like the album? | 23:01 |
| |R | akai--- : i don't think so, it just takes the cover.jpg in the current folder | 23:02 |
| akai--- | but if it's named cover.jpg than you still need a folder for every album -_- | 23:02 |
| |R | maximCT : what commands do you use? :) | 23:02 |
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| snowmoon | |R never done that type of tunneling... mostly use -D | 23:03 |
| maximCT | |R: the key one is ppp... | 23:03 |
| maximCT | pppd that is | 23:03 |
| |R | maximCT : but with ssh 4.3+ you don't need that anymore as i understand it | 23:03 |
| |R | snowmoon : ok :) | 23:03 |
| maximCT | |R: ok .. that's news to me... the way I do it I found on this page: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves/2007/03/19/ssh_vpn_on_n800 | 23:03 |
| maximCT | |R: I'll have to look into what you say then | 23:04 |
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| snowmoon | I guess that would be more proxing, but people use the terms interchangeably at times. | 23:04 |
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| |R | maximCT : i think that was done before the introduction of the -w flag in SSH 4.3 :) | 23:04 |
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| |R | ssh -w creates a tun0 device automagically... | 23:04 |
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| maximCT | oh boy... I'm gonna have to play with that then.. :) | 23:05 |
| |R | looking at the release date actually it was already there, but like me, i think nobody noticed this cool feature ;) | 23:05 |
| |R | at least it's basically working here, but I think i'm missing some details ;P | 23:06 |
| Jiten | does anyone here feel like you'd like to test an incomplete maemo port of http://mnemosyne-proj.sf.net/? I've been reimplementing the UI in gtk and just finished some optimizations that removed some half second waits from tap to something happening. | 23:06 |
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| |R | maximCT : have you done VoIP over that tunnel? | 23:06 |
| maximCT | |R: yes... | 23:06 |
| zaf | voip over a tcp tunnel wont be that great | 23:07 |
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| maximCT | |R: with rtcomm ... using ulaw codec I connect to my asterisk box at home. | 23:07 |
| |R | maximCT : which client? | 23:07 |
| |R | oh!! | 23:07 |
| maximCT | worked flawlessly | 23:07 |
| |R | damn! that means... rtcomm isn't buggy? | 23:07 |
| maximCT | it works for me... unfortunately though you can't send any dtmf once the connection is up | 23:08 |
| |R | on ITT forum they said that rtcomm ignored any device other than the base one | 23:08 |
| |R | so you couldn't use tun0 etc | 23:08 |
| maximCT | or there's no possibilities to place calls on hold etc. | 23:08 |
| |R | that's fine for my use | 23:08 |
| |R | zaf : that bad? | 23:08 |
| maximCT | well .. like I said .. I'm using pppd so it goes over the ppp0 device ... | 23:08 |
| maximCT | gonna have to test with ssh -w ... but I ran out of battery and don't have the charger here.. :( | 23:08 |
| |R | yeah, but same problem ppp0 != wlan0... so tun0 should work :) | 23:08 |
| |R | hehe | 23:09 |
| zaf | why would u wanna tunnel it over a vpn? | 23:09 |
| zaf | why not just let it work over the internet natively? | 23:09 |
| maximCT | my VoIP works also via bluetooth and egprs... | 23:09 |
| |R | zaf : so no to expose my sip port to the outside and not to spread my password all over the world :) | 23:09 |
| |R | no/not | 23:09 |
| maximCT | zaf, 'cause I'm in a corporate environment where I don't have native internet connectivity. | 23:09 |
| zaf | every other provider does it | 23:09 |
| |R | and every other provider might have a security problem ehhe | 23:09 |
| zaf | i dont think the password is plaintext | 23:09 |
| maximCT | with SIP password is plaintext. | 23:10 |
| |R | well rtcomm doesn't support asterisk's md5secret= command :( | 23:10 |
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| akai--- | hi _^_ | 23:10 |
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| |R | all my other sip phone / softphone do but not that one, too beta... :| | 23:10 |
| |R | if i at least had md5 handshake that would satisfy me a bit more, but plaintext exchange is a bit weak | 23:11 |
| k-s[WORK] | akai---: you can put it in music's id3v2 | 23:11 |
| playya | onyone tried to install other nokia sdk in linux? | 23:11 |
| |R | (i don't see people doing tcp hijacking in bars hehe ;) | 23:11 |
| k-s[WORK] | akai---: (music image/cover) | 23:11 |
| |R | but sniffing, hell yeah, we got an admin password stolen once for an http session hehe ;) | 23:12 |
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| akai--- | k-s[WORK] that would be way too bothersome -_- I'd go with making album folders | 23:12 |
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| k-s[WORK] | akai---: :-) | 23:12 |
| akai--- | is there a way to extract a list of installed packages out of nokia 770? I don't see any logs there or a feature like that in apt-get -_- | 23:13 |
| akai--- | I may be blind though | 23:13 |
| k-s[WORK] | dpkg -l ? | 23:14 |
| akai--- | lol | 23:14 |
| akai--- | I've forgotten about dpkg -_- | 23:14 |
| akai--- | it logs installing packages somewhere too? | 23:15 |
| k-s[WORK] | akai---: apt-get is just the high-level layer on top of dpkg, does resolve depedency, etc | 23:15 |
| k-s[WORK] | dunno | 23:15 |
| akai--- | k-s[WORK] I kinda use slackware on my pc -_- I get lost in debian | 23:16 |
| |R | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860 | 23:16 |
| |R | that was the bug mentionned on ITT | 23:16 |
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| akai--- | why does /var/log seem to be empty anyway? | 23:19 |
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| k-s[WORK] | akai---: apt-get is just the high-level layer on top of dpkg, does resolve depedency, etc | 23:22 |
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| sp3000 | akai---: probably people don't want to lose space in places they can't really manage in the ui | 23:26 |
| sp3000 | you can install syslogd, likely config /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg to log, etc if you like | 23:26 |
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| eijk | Hi! I just realised from different screenshots on the web, that some scratchbox installations feature a slightly broken looking desktop (like mine). Some look fine. What could that be? It looks as mine is missing some graphics... | 23:47 |
| eijk | Mine looks like this http://gsyc.es/~herraiz/ekiga/04.png | 23:48 |
| eijk | Any ideas how to fix that? | 23:49 |
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| alterego | Urgh, writting API documentation is kind of a pain in the ass. | 23:52 |
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| Tak | heh | 23:56 |
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| disq | alterego: doxygen to the rescue? :P | 23:57 |
| alterego | Not likely. | 23:57 |
| Tak | alterego: http://www.bash.org/?48581 | 23:57 |
| disq | i'm kinda trying out phpDocumentor. not bad, found some bugs tho | 23:57 |
| alterego | It's API for Ruby | 23:57 |
| Tak | rdoc then :-P | 23:57 |
| alterego | Unfortunately rdoc is crap. | 23:57 |
| alterego | :) | 23:57 |
| * Tak shrugs | 23:58 | |
| * Tak likes rdoc | 23:58 | |
| alterego | Well, it's okay. Unless you're writing extensions/bindings like I am. | 23:58 |
| alterego | It's C parsing is well. Inadequate. Not that it's easy. | 23:58 |
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