IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-10-22

_|Nix|_inz: I'm about to do that :o)00:00
m-voI.e., upstream should be portable and cope with optional packages not being present, but when building for debian, you want a well controlled configuration.00:00
tkom-vo: I almost hope you get to maintain many debian packages that come with build dependencies to mysql and the kitchen sink :)00:01
m-voNow, having more than one well controlled configuration in one debian source package (one for Debian itself, one for Ubuntu, one for Emdebian, one for maemo), that's where it gets interesting.00:01
_|Nix|_*sigh* ... I'm thinking about committing a horrible attrocity: "Build-Depends: ... @AVAHI_DEV_PACKAGE@ ..." + wrapper script for dpkg-buildpackage - at least until etrunko comes through.00:01
* _|Nix|_ dons spacesuit00:02
tkothat's where the madness lies00:02
tkoit's evil enough for SONAME00:02
m-voHmm, what about just leaving it out.  You have to rerelease once avahi becomes available anyway.00:02
_|Nix|_m-vo: I'm not releasing. I'm waiting for upstream's 2.2.2. This is just for me.00:03
m-voAhh, then just build avahi for yourself.00:03
_|Nix|_I just wanna have one command to run that'll build on both Bora and Chinook.00:03
tkojhbuild install :)00:04
m-vo_|Nix|_, right, I get it. Hmm....00:04
_|Nix|_m-vo: ... but then I can't test it on the tablet ... well, I suppose I could install avahi on the tablet. However, this may become an "endless shopping list" (as my QM professor called the dependency tree).00:04
alteregoI wrote a script to do that for ruby-maemo :)00:04
_|Nix|_Attrocity it is ... *wipe hands*00:05
tkoof course you could just tell dpkg to ignore missing build-depends (after verifying that you're missing only the ones blocking on someone else)00:07
m-voHmm, bora is 'obsolete' once chinook comes out, and what you are doing is maintaining a backport of a chinook package for bora.  And you want to make it as easy as possible... maintaining a separate backporting branch is too much work?00:08
_|Nix|_m-vo: Not bora, actually ... gregale.00:08
_|Nix|_gregale and bora are binary-compatible.00:08
alteregoVersion numbers are easier to work out for me.00:09
_|Nix|_So, I could ship one binary for N770 and N800. This will no longer be true once Chinook ships.00:09
alteregoWhat version is gregale?00:09
_|Nix|_alterego: 2.200:09
alteregoWell, 2.2 is binary compatible but there are API changes.00:09
tkog < b < c .. the version/naming scheme almost makes sense00:09
alteregom < g< b < c ?00:10
alteregoI think I'll definitely use numbers instead of those tags.00:10
m-vo_|Nix|_, gregale is the 770 hacker edition?00:10
alteregoIt's confusing to me, I'd hate to think what users would do ..00:10
alteregoNo, gregale is 2.200:11
alteregoHE is 3.200:11
_|Nix|_m-vo: Whatever it is, building against it makes things run on the last N770 firmware00:11
tko2.0 mistral, 2.1 something, 2.2 gregale00:11
_|Nix|_m-vo: ... as well as on all things pre-chinook.00:12
_|Nix|_m-vo: ... one binary.00:12
m-vo2.1, scirocco.00:12
m-vo_|Nix|_, wow, is that by accident or did we plan it?00:12
tkoI got the s correct00:13
tkom-vo: yes, I think so :-P00:13
_|Nix|_m-vo: Dunno, don't care ... WORKSFORME :o)00:13
*** philipl has quit IRC00:13
m-voDidn't we break compatibility with each major release?  I am confused now.00:14
tkoit's a great confusion00:14
m-voAnyway, I know that compatibility is not black and white if you look at a complete OS.00:14
_|Nix|_m-vo: That may be the case on the system as a whole, but, I guess, not on those parts needed for Pidgin.00:14
_|Nix|_m-vo: So, if you had a "Christmas tree" project, you'd need separate binaries.00:14
* _|Nix|_ switches to the Chinook target and tries to build Pidgin. If you hear a loud bang, call me an ambulance :o)00:15
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC00:16
*** zaheer__ has joined #maemo00:18
*** philipl has joined #maemo00:18
JitenI got a rather fresh idea of how slow n800 actually is. I decided to finally see if my program works on the device too.00:21
Jitenapparently not so good idea to implement simple html parser in python. it's _slow_ even for just a couple of lines.00:21
alteregoDoesn't sounds so simple ..00:22
alteregoREXML works pretty well.00:22
Jitenwell, it parses html and sets up gtk.TextView so it shows it as well as it can.00:23
* m-vo pities the little ARM CPU.00:23
JitenI was initially thinking about using gtkhtml instead but couldn't find python bindings00:24
m-voJiten, be happy that it is just slow, and not impossible. :)00:24
Jitenit takes ~200ms to show the text I guess.00:25
JitenI guess I get to learn how to make a python wrapper for gtkhtml.00:28
tkogtkhtml wrapper was in python-gnome IIRC00:29
*** snowmoon has quit IRC00:29
*** guerby has quit IRC00:30
*** Andy80 has quit IRC00:31
Jitenmaemo has a version of gtkhtml from which gnome dependencies have been removed...00:31
*** eichi__ has quit IRC00:32
*** zaheer_ has quit IRC00:35
*** niluth_ has quit IRC00:40
*** mazzen has quit IRC00:42
*** trunneml_ has quit IRC00:42
*** Dregz has joined #maemo00:45
m-voIs there any magic in relational data base theory?  Seems all pretty straightforward to me.00:47
*** fab has quit IRC00:54
*** Protocol- has quit IRC00:56
*** fsmw has quit IRC00:56
Jitenalterego: you're right, the parser I'm using isn't so simple ... that's what you get when you use other people's code.00:57
*** zpol has joined #maemo01:00
*** guardian_ has joined #maemo01:01
*** unique311 has joined #maemo01:01
*** TPC- has joined #maemo01:01
*** JussiP has quit IRC01:05
*** Dregz|Aloof has quit IRC01:06
*** alterego has quit IRC01:06
*** Thanatermesis has quit IRC01:15
*** lopz has quit IRC01:17
*** jacques has quit IRC01:17
*** TPC has quit IRC01:17
*** guardian has quit IRC01:18
*** t_s_o has quit IRC01:18
*** sp3000 has quit IRC01:23
*** zpol is now known as lopz01:27
*** Thanatermesis has joined #maemo01:29
*** blkno1 has joined #maemo01:30
*** ebel has quit IRC01:32
*** Zword has quit IRC01:35
*** kuzew has quit IRC01:37
*** kuzew has joined #maemo01:46
*** snowmoon has joined #maemo01:48
*** Pio has quit IRC01:51
*** erstazi has joined #maemo01:51
*** cesman has quit IRC01:56
*** jonty has quit IRC02:06
*** erstazi has quit IRC02:11
*** philipl has quit IRC02:12
*** philipl has joined #maemo02:13
*** egsavage has joined #maemo02:14
*** Pio has joined #maemo02:15
*** rene4jazz has quit IRC02:28
*** philipl has quit IRC02:28
*** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC02:30
*** GeneralAntilles has joined #maemo02:32
*** philipl has joined #maemo02:33
snowmoonanyone have experience with IT2007HE?  Will it work with a BT headset?  Is there a way to tweak the finger use to be more like IT200602:34
*** fsmw has joined #maemo02:35
*** rene4jazz has joined #maemo02:39
drseashellon the n800, how do i save url of a picture ... to the C+P buffer02:41
*** |tbb| has quit IRC02:42
*** Sulis has quit IRC02:47
*** [31d1] has quit IRC02:48
*** florian has quit IRC02:51
*** [31d1] has joined #maemo02:54
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC03:03
*** henno has quit IRC03:10
*** henno has joined #maemo03:11
*** fsmw has quit IRC03:12
*** Esworp has joined #maemo03:17
*** svu has quit IRC03:19
*** greentux_ has joined #maemo03:19
*** snowmoon has quit IRC03:23
*** sciboy has joined #maemo03:30
sciboyYay! My N800 should arrive either today or tomorrow.03:30
sciboyFinally. =|03:30
*** greentux__ has quit IRC03:37
unique311sciboy, from conceptart?03:40
sciboyunique311, Yep.03:41
unique311you're not on the irc channel03:42
sciboyI'm here much more often than I am over there.03:43
unique311so you getting an N800. been trying to find a descent art program for it forever..compiled a couple of descent ones..03:43
unique311waiting on faint to make its hildon grand entrance..03:43
deejoewhich other channel?03:43
sciboydeejoe, He's just kidding, there is no such thing as other channels.03:44
unique311deejoe, ur first time on irc?03:45
deejoeI've got  . . . 15 channels open, maybe?03:45
unique311sciboy, i saw your nick on conceptart somewhere..and just wanted to know if it was the same individual..03:46
unique311you didn't have to join CA03:46
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC03:46
pupnik_unique311: i've gotten a few developers interested in tablets so far - no purchases yet03:51
*** tchan has quit IRC03:52
sciboyunique311, "faint" what's that?03:53
*** tchan has joined #maemo03:53
*** matt_c has joined #maemo03:55
unique311sciboy, faint is the port of mypaint to maemo03:56
unique311pupnik_, devs03:56
unique311the developer for faint doesn't answer his freaking forum messages.03:57
unique311want to know the status of his port..03:57
unique311think my tablet is dying....03:58
*** Pio has quit IRC03:58
unique311screen went black on me twice, forcing me to take out the battery for a restart..03:58
sciboyunique311, Well I'll be doing some small game dev. or maemo.03:59
unique311not sure but i think it was becuase of gizmo...03:59
unique311was messing with gizmo, the times it went black on me.04:00
unique311game dev..04:00
*** rene4jazz has left #maemo04:00
*** rev` has quit IRC04:01
unique311got a game in mind?04:01
sciboyIn mind? I got full design documents laid out.04:02
sciboyAction adventure, 2d side-scrolling for the most part, non-platformer though.04:02
sciboyand non-shooter.04:02
unique311pupnik_,  what happen to the dev that was working on angstron?04:03
*** svu has joined #maemo04:03
*** blkno1 has quit IRC04:09
*** blkno1 has joined #maemo04:10
unique311sciboy, mtpaint  =   Faint
sciboyAlready found it all with google. =P04:10
pupnik_unique311: neo-04:11
pupnik_haven't seen him around - got a bit frustrated with feedback he was getting04:11
unique311feedback for the game04:11
unique311the game was descent...just needed minor graphic work.04:12
_Monkeysomebody said neostrider was probably building you a checkers game as we speak :)04:12
*** MoRpHeUz has quit IRC04:14
*** matt_c has quit IRC04:14
*** snowmoon has joined #maemo04:15
*** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo04:20
*** matt_c has joined #maemo04:23
*** matt_c has quit IRC04:24
Esworpso,  what can us n800 owners expect for the next internet tablet  os upgrade?04:28
sciboyThe kitchen sink was finally implemented.04:29
GeneralAntilles70MHz CPU boost04:29
unique311still no java...04:29
sciboyunique311, You think that's bad, still no 64-bit plugin.04:30
sciboyUnder any platform. =|04:30
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC04:32
unique31164 bit java04:32
*** k-s[WORK] has quit IRC04:32
unique311i have an amd desktop..and tried 64 bit xp on it once..yeah, very sad was very fast...but the lack of support really sucks.04:33
*** greentux_ has quit IRC04:33
*** svu has quit IRC04:33
*** svu has joined #maemo04:34
*** brontide-770 has joined #maemo04:45
*** cesman has joined #maemo04:58
*** philipl has quit IRC04:58
*** philipl has joined #maemo04:58
*** snowmoon has quit IRC04:58
drseashellso no mtpaint / faint for the n800 yet04:59
unique311its just a compiled version of it on garage..04:59
*** Esworp has quit IRC04:59
unique311question on the garage forum are not being i guess the dev is hard at work on it..04:59
*** lmoura has quit IRC05:16
*** ekim\770 has joined #maemo05:25
ekim\770for some reason my mmc keeps being mounted as read-only05:27
ekim\770is this a know issue?05:27
zerojayAre you on the latest firmware?05:28
zerojayWith the recent mmc fixes?05:28
ekim\770lbut it was working before05:28
zerojayWhen was the last time you updated your firmware?05:28
ekim\7702 montths05:28
zerojayWhen a card is set to read-only, it's because the card's been damaged.05:29
ekim\770i am booting from mmc05:29
zerojayUsually, it's not permanent.05:29
zerojayJust requires reformatting the card.05:29
ekim\770does this mean i have to reinstall  everything05:29
ekim\770and reinstall to the mmc05:30
zerojayThe problem usually stems from people removing a card while it is still being written to (give it some time even after your OS says it's complete).05:30
ekim\770but it was working fine before05:30
zerojayThere's also the recent fix for some card problems that killed larger cards repeatedly where letting the screen dim while the card was being written to would kill it. The latest firmware fixes that.05:31
ekim\770the other thing is , i have 2 partitins on my mmc05:31
ekim\770the boot one is fine05:31
ekim\770but the fat32 one is read only05:32
sciboyCopy the files off it, format/repartition and copy it back on.05:32
zerojayYou probably damaged the partition because it was being read/written to when you removed a card or turned off power to the tablet.05:32
ekim\770so i only need to format that 1 partition05:33
zerojayWell, most likely, yes.. but I can't be sure of it.05:33
zerojayDo yourself a favor and do what I do.05:33
* jeremyb sees lots of repitition in the last 20 lines05:33
ekim\770ok thanks guys05:33
zerojayAlways wait about 2 or 3 minutes after your OS says a transfer is complete to the card before doing anything like removing/turning off the tablet.05:33
zerojayIf it's a very large transfer, give it 5 minutes.05:34
jeremybthat's a lot of latency05:34
ekim\770i always do05:34
zerojayjeremyb: Yeah, but you just want to be sure.05:34
jeremybis there some kind of standby mode?05:34
ekim\770thats a a 'feature'05:34
jeremybzerojay: but what if you want to transfer to or from a desktop and you don't have time to dilly dally?05:35
sciboyjeremyb, My computer has a buffer, it copies a file to the buffer not the card itself so you have to wait for it to finish before unmounting05:35
zerojayThat's also how the card readers work. The writes are flushed to the card reader fast (at which point your OS says it's complete) while the card reader is still writing the rest of it.05:35
zerojayjeremyb: Start your transfer earlier or deal with the reality that you'll have corrupted partitions all the time.05:35
ekim\770also , how come my 770 tuns on when I plug it in05:35
jeremybsciboy: and you can unmount in a matter of seconds after the fd is closed, right?05:35
ekim\770is that another 'feature'05:36
zerojayekim\770: It's not the tablet's fault if this is the kind of thing you're having.05:36
jeremybwell the OS should be aware of when it's still being written and display that05:36
sciboyjeremyb, Not sure what you mean by fd, but afterwards it's instant.05:36
zerojayjeremyb: It can't.05:36
ekim\770one more thing05:37
jeremybsciboy: file descriptor05:37
ekim\770how does the 770 microphone work ?05:37
sciboyBy magic.05:37
jeremybsciboy: you can also force an early flush on your desktop05:37
jeremybcan you on a nokia tablet?05:38
ekim\770how does the 770 microphone work ?...05:38
zerojayThe tablet isn't the problem. It's just the way card readers work.05:38
zerojayHappens on every OS.05:38
ekim\770seriouly...please tell me so I can leave05:39
zerojaySome will, however, complain that the card can't be unmounted yet if attempted while the card reader is writing.05:39
zerojayekim\770: I don't have the 770, so I don't know.05:39
ekim\770k thx bye05:40
*** ekim\770 has quit IRC05:40
kuzewoh boy...05:40
*** matt_c has joined #maemo05:40
jeremybzerojay: well i was thinking more about internal hard drives but i still see no reason the OS couldn't be made aware05:43
jeremybor usb flash for that matter05:43
zerojayjeremyb: The only real reason is that they just weren't made that way. It's stupid.05:44
jeremybzerojay: ok, so why not change it now?05:44
zerojaySame reason we didn't suddenly move to DVDs that were 12GB in size.05:44
zerojayBackwards compatibility with older drives... standards, etc...05:45
* disq remembers the times when the 770 microphone didn't have the driver05:45
zerojayWell, those are my best guesses. I'm not a card reader engineer or anything.05:45
GeneralAntillesSo do I, disq, so do I.05:45
GeneralAntillesOther option is to just not use card readers.05:46
disqunique311: around? seen my solution to the synergy auto cursor show/hide thingy? i posted it as a comment in quicksynergy news05:46
*** jacques has joined #maemo05:46
*** celesteh has quit IRC05:46
jeremybzerojay: i'm not saying everyone should adopt it but i don't see why they should continue being made the way you describe.  is it so much cheaper as is?  and yes i'm keeping compat in mind... is there no room within existing specs to add such a notification for the OS without breaking existing devices/drivers/OSs which are already compliant?05:48
disqanyway i gotta get some sleep, night.05:48
GeneralAntillesjeremyb: I suspect it's mostly necessary to have cache involved in the data transfer for things to run smoothly.05:50
GeneralAntillesand there's no easy way to tell the host machine that the card isn't done writing yet05:50
jeremybGeneralAntilles: i have no objection to using a cache...05:50
jeremybwhy not?05:50
zerojayBecause as far as the card reader is concerned, the OS doesn't need to know.05:51
zerojayIt's lame... but what can you do?05:52
zerojayJust wait until the next standards are being discussed and raise your voice, I suppose.05:52
straindAnyone using xkbd-bthid?05:55
straindor any other means to make your Nokia into a bluetooth keyboard for another device?05:58
GeneralAntillesThat's the only one available05:58
GeneralAntillesOnly have a Mac here, so I haven't been able to use it05:58
GeneralAntilleslooks cool, though.05:58
straindI can't figure out how to get it paired with the other device.06:00
jeremybzerojay: huh?  the OS *does* have a vested interest in knowing06:00
zerojayNo, it doesn't.06:00
GeneralAntillesAs far as it's concerned the filesystem write is over.06:00
zerojayOnce the write is flushed to the card (what the progress bar shows), it's done.06:00
jeremybGeneralAntilles: why can't you use it with a mac?06:01
*** TPC has joined #maemo06:01
zerojayflushed to the card reader, I mean.06:01
GeneralAntilles"Only supports BOOT"06:01
GeneralAntillesNot familiar with bluetooth keyboard profiles06:01
GeneralAntillesbut, evidently, that's only supported on Windows.06:01
jeremybdo i have to run in circles?06:01
zerojayjeremyb: Apparently.06:02
GeneralAntillesNot if you drop it and move on. ;)06:02
zerojayWhat is the OS supposed to do when the card reader signals "write complete" but it's really lying?06:02
*** Pio has joined #maemo06:03
*** keesj has quit IRC06:03
jeremyb...... isn't that the case now?06:04
zerojayThat's what I'm trying to tell you.06:04
jeremybi've understood that for tens of minutes already06:05
jeremybi'm talking about the future06:05
zerojayIn the future, there will be robots.06:05
GeneralAntillesOr lots and lots of glass.06:05
jeremybthere will always be legacy and backward compat to consider and but that's not a reason for refusing improvements that comply with existing standards (and therefore are backwards compat)06:07
zerojayBut it's apparently not.06:07
zerojayWhich I assume is why some cards come with their own special card readers.06:08
jeremybok, wait a sec... this cache is in the reader/writer not the card itself, right?06:08
trulsthe cache is in the driver, right?06:12
* truls meddles06:12
*** unique311 has quit IRC06:15
*** vbattsLit1 has joined #maemo06:16
*** TPC- has quit IRC06:17
vbattsLit1Is there a download for the adobe flash player for the 2007OS06:17
zerojayIt's built-in.06:22
*** alex-weej has quit IRC06:24
vbattsLit1Not the hacker edition, i have an n77006:25
zerojayHacker edition doesn't include proprietary stuff.06:25
zerojayAs far as i know.06:26
zerojayAnyone else?06:26
vbattsLit1i realize that, i'm hunting for if someone could just publish the *.so that i can drop into /usr/lib/beowser/plugins/06:27
_MonkeyHmm.  No matches for that, vbattsLit1.06:27
infobotvbattsLit1 meant: i realize that, i'm hunting for if someone could just publish the *.so that i can drop into /usr/lib/browser/plugins/06:28
_MonkeyHmm.  No matches for that, infobot.06:28
vbattsLit1'dpkg-query -l ' shows a flaah player package, but doesn't contain the needed binaries06:29
*** sciboy has quit IRC06:33
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC06:37
*** dockane has joined #maemo06:39
jeremybtruls: no, it *must* be on some physical device (assuming no emulation).  or at least i can think of no other way to do it06:41
*** egsavage has left #maemo06:45
*** egsavag1 has joined #maemo06:45
*** vbattsLit1 has left #maemo06:47
*** guerby has joined #maemo06:48
*** Pio has quit IRC06:54
*** dockane_ has quit IRC06:55
*** tank1770 has quit IRC07:07
*** blkno1 has quit IRC07:08
*** matt_c has quit IRC07:16
*** dougb has joined #maemo07:17
dougbis the maemo SDK release the full fledged OS? or is it intended only for development?07:18
*** sciboy has joined #maemo07:18
sciboyGosh I can't wait to get my N800 as start developing stuff. XD07:19
*** philipl has quit IRC07:19
*** rkaway has quit IRC07:26
*** rkaway has joined #maemo07:29
dougbhas anyone gotten their hands on maemo 4.0?07:30
*** tank1770 has joined #maemo07:38
*** Astro has quit IRC07:43
*** konttori has joined #maemo07:48
*** nelson has quit IRC07:53
*** booiiing has quit IRC07:53
*** Gray9Mar has quit IRC07:53
*** nelson has joined #maemo07:55
*** Gray9Mar has joined #maemo07:56
*** mbuf has joined #maemo07:56
*** NickDe has joined #maemo08:01
*** Astro has joined #maemo08:02
dougbOGG files aren't supported on maemo?08:03
*** cambba has quit IRC08:06
*** jacques has quit IRC08:08
sciboydougb, There's packages you can install.08:16
*** matt_c has joined #maemo08:16
sciboydougb, I don't know the names though, don't have an N800 yet.08:16
*** cesman has quit IRC08:19
mbufare there any sample screenshots for the arsenik project?08:42
*** greentux has joined #maemo08:42
*** NickDe has quit IRC08:45
*** NickDe has joined #maemo08:46
*** philipl has joined #maemo08:47
*** lardman has joined #maemo08:48
*** Sho_ has quit IRC08:49
*** netx has joined #maemo08:51
*** pleemans has joined #maemo08:52
*** lopz has quit IRC08:52
*** konttori has quit IRC09:00
*** greentux has quit IRC09:03
*** lardman|gone has quit IRC09:04
*** |tbb| has joined #maemo09:04
*** TheNickDe has joined #maemo09:07
dougbdoes maemo 4.0 and hildon 2.0 coencide?09:19
*** NickDe has quit IRC09:20
*** tkharju has joined #maemo09:31
*** rene4jazz has joined #maemo09:31
*** infobot has quit IRC09:32
*** thebanana has joined #maemo09:33
thebananahey all - i'm having trouble transcoding avis for playing on my 770 (w/mplayer)09:35
thebananausing and mediaconverter, i get the video just fine, but all i get is noise for audio09:35
*** infobot has joined #maemo09:39
*** NetBlade has joined #maemo09:44
*** NickDe has joined #maemo09:49
*** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo09:51
*** TheNickDe has quit IRC09:53
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC09:57
*** thebanana has quit IRC10:03
sciboyYay my N800 has arrived, I'll pick it up tomorrow morning. =310:05
*** koen has joined #maemo10:05
timely_changeloginteresting definition of arrived10:05
sciboyIt's 5 minutes away.10:07
sciboyAs far as I'm concerned, it has arrived.10:07
*** NickDe has quit IRC10:08
timely_changelogif 5mins, 8hrs 5mins, same difference, if it isn't in hand, it hasn't arrived10:09
dougbdont rain on his parade ;-)10:12
dougbdoes anyone know the folder structure to get to where files are saved is OS2007?10:16
dougbi'm in /home/user/MyDocs/ but I don't see anything10:16
x2im having an issue10:21
x2i put my filesystem on the mmc card10:21
x2and when i boot10:21
x2it doesnt show the other partition of my mmc10:22
*** unique311 has joined #maemo10:26
*** _Logic_ has joined #maemo10:28
_Logic_howdy. I grabbed the latest VMWarePlayer for the dev distro and so far everything is great!10:28
_Logic_Is there some way I can make that image look/behave/feel more like my native n800?10:29
*** bergie has joined #maemo10:29
*** harobed has joined #maemo10:29
*** bergie has joined #maemo10:29
_Logic_My Menu entries all look like10:30
_Logic_"tana_fi_internet" etc...10:30
*** NetBlade_ has joined #maemo10:32
*** NetBlade has quit IRC10:32
DRoBeR_Logic_, you have uninstalled some basic packages.10:33
DRoBeRI suppose that there are better solutions but I directly used the flash tool when I had that problem.10:38
*** slomo has joined #maemo10:41
*** sKaBoy has joined #maemo10:42
*** dneary has joined #maemo10:42
*** unique311_ has joined #maemo10:47
mik_could it be that bluetooth support is a little bit wacky?10:47
*** x2 has quit IRC10:47
mik_whenever i sdptool browse a windows mobile device i do not get any answers10:48
*** NetBlade_ has quit IRC10:50
*** NetBlade has joined #maemo10:52
*** bilboed has joined #maemo10:53
sciboyOkay I picked it up!10:53
timely_changelogbetter, enjoy :)10:56
dougbi have a smb file shared through ubuntu to the n800, but i can't access the files or folders11:00
dougbis there something i'm missing?11:00
*** pleemans has quit IRC11:00
timely_changelogan error message?11:00
dougbin the file manager, it says "unable to open"11:01
dougbso i tried through ssh and tried to copy the files, and it says "omitting directory" when i try to copy the shared folder to the nokia11:01
dougbit finds it fine, and can list the folders11:01
timely_changelogi'd suggest trying strace (presumably there's a package somewhere)11:01
dougbwhat does that do?11:02
timely_changelogbut it sounds like you have permission problems11:02
*** sp3000 has joined #maemo11:02
_Logic_I started with the vmware player supplied by Nokia this month. I didn't uninstall anything.11:03
* sciboy lets it charge.11:04
sciboyUm, when I start how do I check the version of the firmware?11:04
sciboyI want to do an update before I start installing apps.11:04
timely_changelogabout in control panel11:06
timely_changelogor load /etc/osso_software_version in your web browser11:06
JaffaMorning, all11:06
timely_changelogshut up11:06
* Jaffa 'll assume your berating (perhaps even spanking) the _Monkey.11:07
JaffaDear god. That's atrocious. Very many apologies.11:08
JaffaI blame the painkillers; the time of day; the erm... phase of the moon.11:08
sciboyI'm very impressed with nokia's slick packaging.11:08
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo11:08
*** unique311 has quit IRC11:08
timely_changelogwe have to make something shiny, and the packaging is the easiest bit :)11:08
timely_changelogalthough iirc there are bugs either on the packaging or in the quick start guide, so don't look too closely :)11:09
JaffaThe bit where it says: "Contents: Nokia N810 Nseries Internet Tablet; headphones; carry case; next week's winning lottery ticket; car mount; battery; user guide" ?11:10
*** ab has joined #maemo11:10
sciboyMine didn't come with the car mount and lottery tickets though. =/11:10
timely_changelogi was talking about the n800 package11:10
timely_changelogi haven't looked closely at the n810 box yet11:10
timely_changelogi know that the video shipped w/ the n810 has at least one very obvious visual gaffe which is quite embarrassing, but...11:11
JaffaIt's an iPhone not an N810 in the vid? ;-)11:11
* Jaffa should do some work, rather than procrastinating here.11:11
timely_changelogpersonally i think nokia should go back to shipping Movie trailers, at least those were professional11:12
timely_changelogjaffa: the iPhone wouldn't have rendering bugs if pictured in the video ...11:12
Jaffatimely_changelog: Ouch.11:12
JaffaMovie trailers were nice. Get some cross-product promotion going (i.e. trailers for F4 or Transformers)11:13
timely_changelogit's a standard rule for presentations that you make sure not to demonstrate the rough edges11:13
timely_changelogif necessary you customize screens to hide bugs11:13
timely_changelogand at worst, you use a flash mockup11:14
timely_changelog(or photoshop...)11:14
* timely_changelog wonders if someone has blogged about the glitch11:14
AD-N770good morning11:15
*** x2 has joined #maemo11:15
timely_changelogok, there's no way for me to find a blog entry for it11:16
x2i just flashed hacker11:16
x2time to bring that to my MMS now that I know what im doing11:16
*** _Logic_ has quit IRC11:18
* timely_changelog wonders what chevy chase village is11:18
*** x2 has quit IRC11:21
*** joolz has joined #maemo11:23
*** Ivan_Chelubeev has joined #maemo11:26
* timely_changelog cries11:29
*** zaheer__ is now known as zaheer11:29
*** zaheer is now known as zaheerm11:29
timely_changelogok, the pr people aren't very bright11:29
timely_changelogthey chose a map of the dc area11:29
timely_changelogbut didn't verify that it looks like the dc area11:29
*** Veggen has quit IRC11:33
*** Veggen has joined #maemo11:33
*** Ivan_Chelubeev has left #maemo11:34
*** Ivan_Chelubee1 has joined #maemo11:38
* timely_changelog cries11:40
timely_changelogthe docs people need to consider paying a native speaker to read their content11:40
timely_changelog"make also sure"11:40
timely_changelog(from planet.maemo)11:41
c0ffeeif you have a native speaker, only native speakers can read it easily11:41
c0ffeeif it's written by non-native speakers, all other non-native speakers can read it easily11:41
c0ffeewhat is better?11:41
timely_changelogwell, you'd think by now they know we have a couple11:41
timely_changelogc0ffee: given that the primary market is the USA11:42
timely_changelogand that's native speakers, not recent immigrants11:42
suihkulokkiyou mean indians? ;)11:42
timely_changelognon native speakers can read the docs mistranslated into heir own language11:42
*** dougb has left #maemo11:42
* timely_changelog wants a working t key11:42
c0ffeegot to scoot for diner, it's getting late here11:42
*** pleemans has joined #maemo11:43
*** pleemans has quit IRC11:45
*** dneary_ has joined #maemo11:45
*** pdz has joined #maemo11:52
*** geaaru has joined #maemo11:54
*** pleemans has joined #maemo11:55
sciboyNope, can't get reception in my room.11:55
sciboyWall must be lined with lead or something.11:55
*** Ivan_Chelubee1 has left #maemo11:59
*** booiiing has joined #maemo12:06
*** massoud has quit IRC12:07
*** massoud has joined #maemo12:07
JaffaFor anyone waiting for my on-demand transcoding/RSS toting open source video converter. Here's a screenshot of the web interface for choosing random videos: and one of the same directory open in Video Center:
*** doublec has joined #maemo12:10
*** harobed has quit IRC12:14
sciboyJaffa, Cool. =)12:15
sciboyI have Season 3 of family guy. =P12:16
* Jaffa was planning on making a video to go with the release, unfortunately Mrs. Jaffa's taken the digital camera away with her.12:16
*** tkharju has quit IRC12:20
*** dneary_ has quit IRC12:21
*** |R has quit IRC12:22
*** |R has joined #maemo12:24
*** Tili has joined #maemo12:31
Tilihas anybody got experience with audio on maemo. i have n80012:31
Tilineed some pointers12:31
Tiliportaudio doesnt like it12:32
*** cktakahasi has quit IRC12:38
*** pleemans has quit IRC12:38
onionTili: you should use gstreamer for any audio output/input12:41
*** pvanhoof has joined #maemo12:43
*** hell has joined #maemo12:43
hellE: Downloaded armel rootstrap file failed integrity test.12:43
*** doublec has quit IRC12:43
hellhow can i delete part-downloaded file?12:43
helloh, i find it.12:44
*** booiiing has quit IRC12:44
sciboyWow, that flashed pretty quickly.12:44
*** booiiing has joined #maemo12:45
*** fab has joined #maemo12:46
sciboyNow I need to find myself the relevant respositories.12:47
*** fish__ has joined #maemo12:48
*** fish_ has quit IRC12:48
Tilionion: thanks. i will look for it. may be port to portaudio12:51
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo12:57
sciboyUm, which repository has "libgdbm3"?13:02
robtaylorTili: why portaudio?13:02
Jitensciboy: I think it's the base repository the python2.5 installation process at asks you to install before python itself.13:07
*** florian has joined #maemo13:08
*** booiiing has quit IRC13:08
*** booiiing has joined #maemo13:09
sciboyInstalling python now, cheers. =)13:14
*** t_s_o has quit IRC13:15
Jitenam I just imagining this or is python-gnome package abandoned one? debian only has a version that builds against gtk+ 1.2 and I can't seem to find any pages that have useful information on it.13:18
FatalJiten: itym python-gnome213:19
Jitenah, gnome's ftp has more recent version.13:19
Fataland debian13:20
Jitenso it seems, I wonder if I forgot that "2" from the apt-get source command13:20
Fatalmost likely :)13:21
Jitenapparently, since I got 2.12 now13:21
Jitenok, I need python-gnome2-extras for gtkhtml support it seems13:22
*** greentux has joined #maemo13:22
helldoes newly installed sdk looks like in pic-
*** bueroman has joined #maemo13:22
ptmandoes maemo have python-bindings for gtkhtml?13:23
JitenI didn't find any13:23
ptmanbut you are going to do something about it?13:23
JitenI guess I have to.13:24
ptmanis there anywhere where I can follow your progress?13:24
ptmanI'm sorry that I'm not offering help, but I'm in the middle of a move13:24
Jitennot really, no.13:24
*** pipomolo42 has joined #maemo13:25
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo13:25
JitenI'm also moving this week so I won't be having much time to use on this.13:25
ptmancan we exchange contact info, I'd like to follow up on this later13:26
*** egsavage has joined #maemo13:29
*** zaheerm has quit IRC13:33
sciboyWhat do I need to install to play back XVID videos among other things.13:34
*** fr01 has left #maemo13:36
flip^sciboy: mplayer?13:37
_Monkeymplayer is down, that's what's up13:37
Jaffasciboy: the built-in player can handle them if they're low enough bitrate and have the right FOURCC13:38
sciboyThey're pretty low bitrate already, originally encoded for the gp2x.13:39
JaffaAVIs have a 4 character code which describes their format.13:40
Jaffamplayer's your best bet, TBH - but the built-in player might manage them too13:40
sciboyMPlayer it is, will Canola use it?13:40
sciboyOh and on the same topic what should I install for OGG support?13:41
sciboyNot that any of this is going to matter when 2008 is released.13:42
unique311_there's an ogg player..13:42
unique311_check the garageeee13:42
sciboyI see "Ogg Vorbis support for maemo" and "Ogg support" in the application catelog13:43
unique311_ a player13:44
sciboyI'm not looking for a specialised ogg player.13:45
sciboyGosh it'd be nice if there was wifi in my room. =/13:46
flip^anyone ever dabbled with 's product for streaming to a 770/n800?13:47
*** matt_c has quit IRC13:48
*** NetBlade has quit IRC13:50
*** fr01 has joined #maemo13:51
*** NetBlade has joined #maemo13:52
sciboyThat reminds me, need to check if kagu or canola supports streaming.13:53
unique311_kagu doesn't stream13:55
sciboySo best way to get the music to canola is through a samba share?13:56
*** elmarco|pizza is now known as elmarco13:57
unique311_not sure..used canola once..and removed it.13:57
unique311_put in a request for (kagu) to support streaming..13:59
unique311_i remember playing music from my desktop on my N800.  forgot how i went about doing it.14:00
*** RushPL has quit IRC14:01
*** RushPL has joined #maemo14:01
*** cwiiis has joined #maemo14:01
*** bilboed has quit IRC14:04
sciboyBe back later.14:05
*** sciboy has quit IRC14:05
*** bilboed has joined #maemo14:07
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo14:10
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC14:16
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo14:16
*** celesteh has joined #maemo14:16
*** krau has joined #maemo14:18
*** booiiing has quit IRC14:20
*** booiiing has joined #maemo14:20
*** Quinlan^ has joined #Maemo14:20
*** Quinlan^ has quit IRC14:23
*** mazzen has joined #maemo14:25
*** bilboed has quit IRC14:26
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC14:27
*** greentux has quit IRC14:29
Tiliis there any other way to use audio on maemo except gstreamer. my libraryr/software already uses portaudio and it is too much work  to move to gstreamer14:30
*** fsmw has joined #maemo14:30
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo14:32
*** greentux has joined #maemo14:32
*** bilboed has joined #maemo14:32
*** bergie has quit IRC14:37
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo14:38
*** simon_ has quit IRC14:39
*** mallum has joined #maemo14:41
*** MoRpHeUz has joined #maemo14:43
*** mgedmin has joined #maemo14:43
*** matt_c has joined #maemo14:44
*** NickDe has joined #maemo14:46
*** unique311_ has quit IRC14:46
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC14:49
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo14:49
*** egsavag1 has joined #maemo14:49
pupnik_Tili: interesting14:49
*** ramo102 has joined #maemo14:49
pupnik_Tili: i see libportaudio0 and libportaudio2 in repos so it should work14:50
*** greentux has quit IRC14:50
*** pleemans has joined #maemo14:54
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC14:54
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo14:54
*** vivijim has joined #maemo15:00
*** philipl has quit IRC15:01
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC15:01
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo15:02
*** Sho_ has joined #maemo15:03
*** pupnik_ is now known as pupnik15:04
*** jnettlet has quit IRC15:05
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo15:06
*** egsavage has quit IRC15:06
*** kenne has joined #maemo15:08
*** brontide-770 has quit IRC15:09
*** ijon_ has quit IRC15:10
*** ijon_ has joined #maemo15:11
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC15:12
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo15:13
*** ijon_ has quit IRC15:13
*** luck^ has joined #maemo15:13
*** ijon_ has joined #maemo15:13
*** etrunko has joined #maemo15:14
*** NickDe has quit IRC15:14
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC15:17
*** pupnik_ has joined #maemo15:18
*** greentux has joined #maemo15:19
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo15:20
*** egsavag1 is now known as egsavage15:20
*** cy- has quit IRC15:20
*** cy- has joined #maemo15:20
*** pipomolo42 has quit IRC15:21
*** klausade has left #maemo15:21
*** pipomolo42 has joined #maemo15:21
*** pupnik__ has joined #maemo15:24
*** pupnik has quit IRC15:25
*** pupnik__ is now known as pupnik15:25
*** OgMaciel is now known as GnuKemist15:26
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo15:27
*** hell has quit IRC15:29
*** jnettlet has quit IRC15:29
*** fsmw has quit IRC15:30
*** fsmw has joined #maemo15:30
*** simon_ has joined #maemo15:31
*** birunko has joined #maemo15:32
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC15:32
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo15:32
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo15:33
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC15:36
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo15:36
*** pupnik_ has quit IRC15:36
*** ajturner has joined #maemo15:37
*** Zvjer has joined #maemo15:37
Zvjerhi! :)15:37
Zvjeranyone live here I can say hello to?15:38
*** Thanatermesis has quit IRC15:38
*** birunko has quit IRC15:39
*** Thanatermesis has joined #maemo15:39
JitenZvjer: probably not15:39
Zvjernice :)15:39
*** greentux has quit IRC15:40
Zvjerit may be rude from me to come here and start asking questions, but I need to ask one :)15:40
celestehthis channel is for asking questions15:40
ZvjerI'm searching through maemo site, and I'm not sure is there a tomtom for os2008?15:41
GeneralAntillesThere isn't15:41
GeneralAntillesYou want either Navicore or Maemo Mapper15:41
celestehmaemo mapper is free and excellent15:41
ZvjerI was planning to buy N800 these days, and what a surprise - N810 appeared on internet15:42
GeneralAntillesN810 is a waste of money.15:42
Zvjerwhich maps does maemo mapper support?15:42
Zvjerand why waste of money?15:42
GeneralAntillesYou can buy two N800s for the price of one N81015:42
GeneralAntillessame specs15:42
Zvjeryes but I like integrated gps15:42
Zvjerdoes 70Mhz and integrated gps worth this money?15:43
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper uses Google Satellite/Maps and VirtualEarth15:43
GeneralAntillesLike I said, they have the same specs.15:43
Jitenthat's one damn expensive integrated gps then :)15:43
GeneralAntillesN800 has the exact same CPU15:43
Zvjervirtual earth are the roads, right?15:43
celestehI have a nokie bluetooth gps dongle thingee i use with my n810015:43
GeneralAntillesRoads and satellite.15:43
GeneralAntillesBluetooth GPS receivers are a lot faster and a lot more accurate than built-in ones.15:44
celestehn810 also has a keyboard, which is worth about €8015:44
celestehbluetooth folding pda keyboards cost about €8015:44
celestehin holland15:44
GeneralAntillesA _bluetooth_ keyboard might be worth that15:44
GeneralAntillesWith numbers and real keys15:44
celestehwhere they are also extremely hard to find :p15:44
GeneralAntillesthat I can touch-type on15:44
GeneralAntillesBut a built-in keyboard isn't worth that15:44
celestehi dunno.  i just use the finger keyboard on the n80015:44
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC15:45
GeneralAntillesYeah, the finger keyboard on the N800 works great.15:45
Zvjerthe builtin keyboard is nice but more important is gps to me, because I dont like external gps15:45
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo15:45
celestehi still want a real keyboard, but no income = no keyboard.  meh15:45
GeneralAntilles$280 USD worth?15:45
ZvjerI can handle external gps if N800 is so much cheaper but I dont like :)15:45
GeneralAntillesExternal GPSes use much better chips.15:45
ZvjerN810 is $500 .. how much is N800?15:45
GeneralAntilles$220 USD from buy.com15:45
celestehdamn, i paid too much15:46
GeneralAntillesPlus, you get 3x the storage.15:46
*** cmarcelo has joined #maemo15:46
Zvjer:) .. nice :) .. I live in Croatia15:46
GeneralAntilles2x 16GB SDHC verus 10GB15:46
GeneralAntillesAh, well, you're screwed then.15:46
Jitenn810 does come with more storage integrated though.15:46
GeneralAntillesDiscounts haven't hit Europe.15:46
GeneralAntillesNot really15:46
GeneralAntillesthat 2gb internal is occupied by 1.7GB of maps.15:47
Jitendiscounts have hit Finland already. That's in europe.15:47
Zvjerisnt N800 330MHz?15:47
GeneralAntillesIt's clocked down currently15:47
celestehi find this trash talking the new model to be very seductive as it lessens my jealousy15:47
GeneralAntillesIt'll be 400MHz with OS 200815:47
GeneralAntillesI was hoping for an OMAP 34xx core in the N81015:47
GeneralAntillesHopefully we wont have to wait too long for those.15:47
Zvjeri'm not into trash talking, I'm a new guy who wants to buy something currently unavailable in my country15:47
GeneralAntilles650MHz, same power usage. :D15:47
*** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo15:48
Jitenn810 is smaller and more light weight than n800 though.15:48
GeneralAntillesIt's heavier15:48
ZvjerI like that15:48
GeneralAntillesand not much smaller.15:48
GeneralAntilles20g heavier15:48
Jitenheavier? I heard lighter15:48
Zvjerthe real question about the price is how much does the N800 and N810 cost in EU15:48
GeneralAntillesYou heard wrong.15:48
GeneralAntillesTrust me, it's heavier.15:49
Jitenn800 is available for 270 EUR in Finland. if you remove taxes, that's 210 EUR15:50
Zvjerwhatabout the opentom project? what device is that for?15:50
Zvjerfinland is too far for me to go and buy one device.15:50
Zvjeraustria and germany are ok15:50
GeneralAntillesNever heard of it.15:50
GeneralAntillesUh, the TomTom Go?15:51
JitenZvjer: mail order might be possible.15:51
ZvjerI like tomtom.. I use it on my 6680 nokia, but the problem is that there is no version 6 for my phone15:52
*** jnettlet has quit IRC15:52
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper's quite good, and I hear good things about Navicore15:52
Zvjerso now I'm thinking about not buying a new phone but better to buy N800 or N810 as an addon to my phone15:52
Zvjerwhat maps does navicore swallow?15:53
GeneralAntillesIt's basically what everybody uses.15:53
Zvjermaps are important question for me because I live .. nowhere hehe15:53
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo15:53
*** t_s_o has quit IRC15:54
*** user_ has joined #maemo15:54
*** cambba has joined #maemo15:55
Zvjernavicore only major roads in my country - just had a look. not good for me15:55
GeneralAntillesWell, there's always google satellite.15:55
roopeThe N810 map application is actually quite ok. I've just been playing around with it.15:55
Jitenyeah, maemo mapper can use google maps data.15:56
Zvjergoogle maps croatia coverage is ok. not perfect but ok15:56
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo15:56
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper's free, so what's not to love. :)15:56
Zvjertomtom has better maps in my country, that's why I keep mentioning tomtom15:57
*** user_ has quit IRC15:57
*** sciboy has joined #maemo15:57
GeneralAntillesGet it?15:58
*** ajturner_ has joined #maemo15:58
ZvjerI'm currently browsing my city through googlemaps15:58
sciboyTyping from my N800!15:58
*** ajturner has quit IRC15:59
GeneralAntillesYou upgrade the firmware to the latest, sciboy?15:59
Zvjerif tomtom go is opensource, why then theres no maemo version? :)15:59
GeneralAntillesUh, because there's not much market there15:59
Juhazit's not15:59
GeneralAntillesand porting it to radically different hardware would be quite expensive.15:59
sciboy2007, Yeah, using an SD card after all.16:00
Juhazthe OS is partly open source, the mapping application is not16:00
*** bergie has joined #maemo16:00
Juhazhardware is hardly "radically" different, though, it'd probably be trivial to port.16:01
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC16:01
sciboyTrying to get a handle on typing on the screen...16:02
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo16:02
GeneralAntillesYou using the thumbbard, sciboy?16:02
Zvjerthis is very funny ... the web site has older maps then google earth16:03
sciboyStylus, what do you recommend?16:03
_Monkeythumbboard is probably nice, but i find the delay frustrating16:03
GeneralAntillesHit the text entry field with a full finger16:03
GeneralAntillesOr press the middle button on the d-pad to bring it up.16:03
ZvjerI see beacuse the roads in google earth are new16:04
sciboyShould I use both thumbs to type?16:04
GeneralAntillesWorks great16:04
GeneralAntillesJust don't hit them at the same time.16:05
GeneralAntillesNot multi-touch16:05
*** sciboy has left #maemo16:05
*** sciboy has joined #maemo16:05
*** etrunko has quit IRC16:06
*** jnettlet has quit IRC16:06
sciboyIs there a shift-key? (not caps)16:07
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo16:07
*** zerojayN800 has joined #maemo16:07
sciboyJust feels a little odd having to hit CAPS twice.16:10
GeneralAntillesIf press a key and move up into the next row and let go you get a shift-letter.16:11
*** snowmoon has joined #maemo16:12
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC16:12
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo16:13
*** RushPL has quit IRC16:14
*** RushPL has joined #maemo16:14
*** mazzen has quit IRC16:14
JaffaYay, it's released:
JaffaComplete with instructions :)16:15
sciboyI'm still a bit bummed about not having WiFi reception in my room. =/16:17
GeneralAntillesGet yourself another router.16:18
cosmoJaffa: wow, looks great16:18
||cwcan that be used to download stuff too or just to play the stream?16:19
JaffaIf you click "Save" rather than "Open" (or the "Download" button in Video Center) it'll also save it to your tablet.16:19
JaffaAnnoyingly, the usage tracking isn't working properly in this version so it'll keep the videos around on the transcoding box too (like GeneralAntilles wanted ;-))16:20
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC16:20
sciboyOnly problem is the price issue. =P16:20
*** kosola_ is now known as kosola16:20
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo16:20
||cwsciboy: pick up a $10 usb wifi and make an ad-hoc from your PC and use the pc as a router16:21
snowmoonJaffa: that what a cron job if for find /dir -mtime 2 -name "conv.mp4" -exec rm {}  \;16:21
Jaffasnowmoon: yeah, that's a decent enough workaround.16:21
*** renatofilho has quit IRC16:22
*** Vudentz has joined #maemo16:22
*** renatofilho has joined #maemo16:22
cosmodid i understand correctly that it contains  a web server that can be used to browse & stream the files?16:23
Jaffacosmo: correct16:23
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC16:23
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo16:24
*** etrunko has joined #maemo16:24
cosmoVERY sweet. perl is powerful.16:24
sciboyI was hoping to avoid having my desktop on. (noise)16:24
*** jnettlet has quit IRC16:26
cosmoJaffa: if you want, i can do debian packaging for it16:26
*** etrunko has quit IRC16:26
*** satd has joined #maemo16:26
Jaffacosmo: That'd be very cool (might want to wait for it to get a bit nicer)16:27
cosmoi'd also prefer running it as a daemon like any other server16:27
sciboyUh oh, it's getting late, chat with you guys later. Thanks for the help.16:27
*** sciboy has quit IRC16:27
GeneralAntillesIck, gotta reinstall Xcode, evidently I need all the legacy SDKs to have cpan installs work right.16:28
cosmoany guesses how powerful pc you need to stream normal definition video?16:28
cosmomy home server is 800mHz, i'm not sure if it's enough..16:29
*** keesj has joined #maemo16:29
*** zwnj has quit IRC16:29
Jaffacosmo: Converting standard def downloaded DivXes to the "smallest" preset (currently hardcoded) has CPU to spare on a 1GHz Via EPIA C3, equivalent to a ~800Mhz P3 IIRC16:29
||cwactualy, at 770's res, slower would work but 800 is probably too slow16:30
cosmook, not bad16:30
GeneralAntillesAny trouble if I change the preset to "mplayer", Jaffa?16:30
||cwmy 3800+ encodes at about 70fps16:30
JaffaGeneralAntilles: nope - needs doing in just one place (i.e. the 770-encode call), should work fine if your machine's fast enough16:30
GeneralAntillesYeah, ffmpeg does a 22 minute show to that quality in about 7 minutes for me.16:31
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo16:31
*** matt_c has quit IRC16:31
*** zwnj has joined #maemo16:32
*** jnettlet has quit IRC16:33
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo16:33
snowmoonCan the n800 accept MMC-RS cards ( the 770 form factor )16:33
JaffaYes, with an adapter.16:33
cosmoi think they also fit without adapter in internal slot16:34
*** etrunko has joined #maemo16:34
JaffaOh, cool.16:34
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC16:35 is taunting me16:35
JitenChinook has minimo I heard. Is it possible to embed that in applications? I didn't see any documentation on that.16:35
_Monkeyit has been said that MicroB is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)16:36
JaffaJiten: microb, not minimo (but both Gecko based)16:36
JaffaOdd. I didn't know the iPod Touch featured a VPN client:
GeneralAntillesToo bad Apple isn't giving us a bash prompt yet.16:38
GeneralAntillesAt least the SDK will be coming soon enough.16:39
JaffaI bet it'll take less than a day from the SDK being released in Feb to having The refreshed eye candy of IT OS 2008 looks like it might sait me for a while, though.16:39
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo16:39
GeneralAntillesWell, until the iPhone/iPod has 800x480 I'm not buying one.16:39
Jaffasnowmoon: Ah, ta. Wondered why I hadn't heard about it.16:40
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Lack of Bluetooth is a killer for me, too.16:40
GeneralAntillesYeah, forgot about that.16:40
snowmoonWith a BT phone and some easily obtained hacks for Verizon I can get on at ISDN speeds anywhere I can get a bar of signal on my phone16:41
*** k-s[WORK] has joined #maemo16:41
GeneralAntillesWish bluetooth tethering weren't limited to 50KB/sec on the N80016:41
Jitenok, so there is a way to embed html widget in my application. Now I guess this one is missing python bindings too?16:42
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine why it's running at half capacity.16:42
JaffaJiten: There's a gtkhtml widget IIRC16:42
Jitenno python bindings for that either.16:43
snowmoonGeneralAntilles: 50KB/sec?  Is that some sort of hardware limitation16:44
GeneralAntillesCan't be16:44
GeneralAntillesSince I get 120KB/sec doing file transfers to/from my computer.16:44
* Jaffa 's not seen that, but not tested the speed either. I find trying to use 3G on the train on the route I take each day in the UK to be too patchy to be usable.16:44
GeneralAntilles3g worked really nicely on the trains when I was on vacation in San Francisco a few months ago.16:45
GeneralAntillesMinus the tunnels, of course.16:45
snowmoon50kbps is still faster than most BT phone as internet can provide ( excpet for excellent EVDO coverage )16:45
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC16:46
GeneralAntillesMy phone does about 350KB/sec16:46
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo16:46
*** pleemans has quit IRC16:46
suihkulokkiJaffa: my god that macworld article... the writer is so full of apple kool-aid16:46
GeneralAntillesIt's Macworld, what do you expect? :P16:46
GeneralAntillesMacAddict was always more interesting16:47
snowmoonI guess a little objectivity would be too much to ask16:47
suihkulokki"The world clock is extremely useful when traveling across time zones, crucial for the jet-setting international exec"16:47
GeneralAntillesThough they've gone into the crapper over the past few years.16:47
JitenJaffa: ah, that's right, gtkhtml is severely lacking in documentation. Know any good examples?16:48
gla55"ooh never seen that in a phone before"16:48
snowmoonanyone had trouble with getting a link-local IP on some WiFi spots that work with laptops16:48
*** Ryback_ has joined #maemo16:48
JaffaJiten: I'm afraid I don't have any to hand.16:48
GeneralAntillesOccassionally, snowmoon16:49
snowmoonGood to know it's not just me.  Also flashed my 770 up to 2007HE and now navigation with my thumbs is much more difficult... I hear the screen "tap" but it never activated the button unless I hit it "just so"16:51
snowmoonIs there a way to tweak it to be more like the it2006 response16:51
shaprFunny, 2007HE was much easier for the thumb keyboard for me.16:51
JaffaThe tap is played on any click, whether over a button or not; very irritating but not particularly easy to fix16:52
snowmoonshapr: Oh, no not the big keyboard, like dialog buttons16:52
Jaffasnowmoon: poked around for various sensitivity options in Control Panel?16:52
snowmoonthe big keyboard ia 100% better16:52
snowmoonJaffa: Yes, they don't seem to do much of anything16:52
*** vbattsAtWork has joined #maemo16:53
snowmoonIt's like the 2007HE is rejecting my sausage presses and 2006 would say "close enough"16:53
snowmoonEspecially annoying since I hate taking the stylus out16:53
*** bilboed has quit IRC16:54
GeneralAntillesTime for some cosmetic surgery to slim down your fingers. :P16:54
snowmoonthings like the network connections in the status bar, I can't activate it under 2007HE, but worked like a charm under 200616:54
shaprI have monster fingers too.16:54
*** birunko has joined #maemo16:54
Zvjerbuy a fingertipstylus16:55
shaprMy hand is wider than the 770 screen.16:55
*** jnettlet has quit IRC16:55
Zvjerthe finger cap sharp little typing thing :)16:55
shaprHm, yeah16:56
*** lsobral has joined #maemo16:56
snowmoon2007HE seems much more responsive and short of the one app bug, more stable as well16:57
Jitenwhen you use your thumbs, it seems to require quite firm presses to react. The requires pressure level is already high enough that I'm somewhat unwilling to press that much.16:58
shaprFor 2007HE, the clock crashed on me yesterday, but I only noticed this morning when the alarm didn't go off.16:58
shaprWhen I tried to check the alarm, *then* the clock really crashed.16:58
* Jaffa has yet to trust IT OS' alarm clock.16:58
snowmoonJiten: actually the oposite for me... I have to light press in order for dialog buttons to operate correctly16:58
*** greentux has joined #maemo16:58
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC17:00
onionJiten: or then the touch screen part is slowly dying as mine did17:01
Jitenthis is practically brand new device still. you mean it might be broken already?17:01
Jitenwith the stylus, there are no problems17:02
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC17:02
onionJiten: It slowly got more and more unresponsive until I had to press like crazy for it to react17:02
onionbut that involved the stylus as well17:02
Jitenanyway, when I want to scroll a web page for example, with my finger, I have to support the device with my other hand. Otherwise it'll simply move with my finger.17:03
Jitenlighter touches are not enough to scroll17:03
*** harobed has joined #maemo17:04
shaprJaffa: I wish the IT OS alarm clock were *extremely* reliable, my life would be much easier.17:05
*** koen has quit IRC17:06
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC17:06
*** koen has joined #maemo17:07
pupniki can't stand fingerprints17:07
snowmooncorrective surgery can fix that17:08
*** saerdnaer has joined #maemo17:08
*** zerojayN800 has quit IRC17:08
*** fsmw has joined #maemo17:09
pupnikone impressive design aspect of apple's devices is how the screen is flush with the case bezel17:09
pupnikthat doesn't seem like an easy feat17:09
*** ab has quit IRC17:09
snowmoonpupnik: while slick I wonder if it increases risk of damaging the glass screen with pressure17:10
*** koen has quit IRC17:11
*** birunko has quit IRC17:11
pupniki would assume so - raised frame of the 800/810 helps a bit - but nothing beats the 770 for ruggedness17:11
snowmoonI just wish the network didn't drop when you put the hardcase on17:11
*** birunko has joined #maemo17:12
Tilipupnik: thanks for msg about 3 hours ago. that link helped. now need to see why it can't find any device.17:15
Tilion emulator17:16
pupnikin scratchbox i don't have sound working Tili17:19
bstockanyone have an actual release date for the 810?17:23
bstockall i keep seeing is 'november'17:23
Jaffa"Mid-November". That's slightly more specific ;-)17:24
bstockheh yeah17:24
snowmoonSo that means sometime before thanksgiving17:24
shaprsnowmoon: Control panel lets you set "disconnect when hardcase is on" or not.17:24
Jaffasnowmoon: bah, some of us don't have additional holidays between now and Christmas17:25
snowmoonshapr: what control panel item17:25
shaprsnowmoon: Connectivity I think17:29
shaprin any case, the network doesn't go off when the hardcase closes for 2007HE17:29
snowmoonheh... hadn't noticed yet, just assumed it did17:29
snowmoondid you find 2007he much faster all around, even web which uses the same software?17:30
shaprA lot of things are faster, a few are slower.17:30
snowmoonI still may pick up the n800 since buy is taunting me17:31
shaprI'm thinking about that too.17:32
snowmooni think there is a 5% off as well as the google checkout that can be stacked17:32
snowmoondo bloetooth headsets work with 2007he?17:33
*** Enok has quit IRC17:33
*** Protocol- has joined #maemo17:36
shaprsnowmoon: I can make an authenticated connection just fine, but I haven't been able to get SCO or A2DP working with my bt headset.17:37
Tilii can't get hildon_file_chooser_dialog.h file. dont see it and OggPlay doesnt compile because of that17:38
Tilipupnik: can we get sound in scratchbox17:38
*** matt_c has joined #maemo17:40
pupnikTili: i test stuff on the device, not in scratchbox17:41
*** ch4os_ has joined #maemo17:41
*** philipl has joined #maemo17:42
*** mbuf has quit IRC17:42
*** sciboy has joined #maemo17:44
Tilipupnik: thanks. i will do same.17:45
*** Tili has left #maemo17:45
sciboySHIT, Forgot the password for my routers control panel17:45
sxpert-worksciboy: use the reset switch luke17:45
sciboyCan't switch the network to ad-hoc17:46
sciboyIf i reset it i'll lose all the isp settings i can't remember either.17:47
sciboyThere isn't a way to connect an AP in ad-hoc mode with a router in infrastructure mode, is there?17:49
*** simon_ has quit IRC17:50
*** Thanatermesis has quit IRC17:50
*** korpios has joined #maemo17:51
*** geaaru has quit IRC17:53
*** apple2 has joined #maemo17:59
*** pna has joined #maemo18:01
*** pna has quit IRC18:01
*** roxfan has joined #maemo18:02
*** Thanatermesis has joined #maemo18:03
*** philipl has quit IRC18:04
*** philipl has joined #maemo18:04
*** Thanatermesis has quit IRC18:06
*** pna has joined #maemo18:10
*** Gray9Mar_ has joined #maemo18:13
sciboyI'll take that as a no...18:13
massoudEhlo there18:15
massoudI am trying to flash my just-received n770 with the SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin FW18:16
Solarionsciboy: I've no idea what you're askign18:16
massoudbut it stopped during the flashing process and now the tablet seems not willing to boot18:16
*** roxfan[work] has quit IRC18:16
massoudI recharged it for an hour18:17
massoudbut still it boots for the Nokia logo and then nothing18:17
*** Gray9Mar has quit IRC18:17
massoudSending and flashing rootfs image (74946 kB)... 12% (9216 of 74946 kB, 1994 kB/s)18:18
massoudWrite failed after 9437184 bytes18:18
massoudwhile I was flashing it18:18
massoudsorry to bother18:18
sciboyI have a router in infrastructure mode and I would like to connect to it while in ad-hoc mode. Is that possible?18:20
Solarionsciboy: only if you have 2 wifi cards, TMK18:20
Solarion(one in infrastructure, one in ad-hoc)18:21
sciboyBugger. The device in question doesn't have that option.18:22
lardmanmassoud: corrupt download?18:22
SolarionI suppose you could always hack it and see, but it may be a hardware limitation18:22
Solarionsciboy: of course, if you can reverse-engineer the firmware and/or daemons and the hardware is winmodem-like (i.e. just enough to drive the antenna) then the world may be your oyster.18:23
massoudlardman : download from the site with my WLAN ID18:23
GeneralAntillesTry downloading again.18:23
lardmanor can someone provide an md5 for it18:23
lardmanmy (working) download is at home so I can't help18:24
*** sciboy has quit IRC18:24
pupnikmd5 what file18:24
lardmana working flash image18:25
*** koen has joined #maemo18:26
pupnik421eac7f6800b5ddee8e7ed9319c434e  SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin18:26
massoudbut I tried twice the flash process and stopped at 9% the 1st time and 12% the 2nd time18:26
lardmancheck the md5sum18:27
zoranany problem with host hardware?18:27
* lardman wonders if the flasher does this anyway18:27
massoudgot it from
*** lmoura has joined #maemo18:28
pupnik2ab52f8a75e17bb7be673a67dca65399  SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin18:29
massoud30ab385dd9a64d9cf14fdbbb531f1315  SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin18:29
lardmandifferent filenames18:30
pupniklooks like i need a newer 200718:30
GeneralAntillesWell, Jaffa, I'm thoroughly confused. 770-encode fails with: mplayer doesn't support FFmpeg lavc encode18:30
GeneralAntillesSomehow, I don't think I have mencoder installed correctly.18:30
massoudwhere did you get the SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin ?18:30
pupnikGeneralAntilles: you are using a 'free' ffmpeg without much codec support18:31
JaffaGeneralAntilles: That sounds like exactly your problem. Where did you get your mencoder from?18:31
pupnikrun ffmpeg -formats18:31
massoudIs there a key combination to have it boot  up and remained up till I connect and flash ?18:31
massoudcause right now I can only boot for 1-2 second (Nokia logo)18:32
Jaffapupnik: no, 770-encode's not using ffmpeg directly. But it does sound like a stripped down mencoder.18:32
GeneralAntillesOK, a better clarification: is there a distinction between ffmpeg and mencoder (uber noob warning. ;))18:32
lardmanmassoud: you should switch off (no power), then start the flasher, then add power & it will boot18:32
GeneralAntillesI pulled mencoder out of Mencoder OSX (a GUI app) and stuck it in /usr/bin18:32
pupniksorry if i had wrong info18:32
JaffaGeneralAntilles: ffmpeg is two things: 1) a library used by mplayer/mencoder; 2) a simple front end for that library.18:32
massoudlardman : I try18:33
lardmanmassoud: where power=external power plug18:33
pupniki just know standard debian ffmpeg is crippled over patent/licensing problems18:33
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Do `mencoder -ovc help' and paste the results somewhere.18:33
Jaffapupnik: indeed. Recent versions work well, though18:34
*** bedboi has joined #maemo18:34
massoudlardman  : doesnt react :(18:34
*** mbjohn has joined #maemo18:34
GeneralAntillesLooks like a bad method to install mencoder. >_>18:35
JaffaGeneralAntilles: nothing too wrong with that, but get a much newer version from
lardmanmassoud: it should at least boot when you apply power18:35
GeneralAntillesI don't see a package anywhere and I don't think Fink has it.18:35
massoudusb plug + flash run + power pligged + switchON button press and nothing18:35
JaffaGeneralAntilles: e.g.
mbjohnhello all!18:35
* GeneralAntilles is downloading.18:35
zoranhome+power buttons18:35
massoudlardman : no reaction when power plugged18:35
zoranhome+power buttons18:36
lardmanhmm, try pulling the battery, then put it back in , then plug usb, start flasher, then apply external power (should be no need to press buttons)18:36
mbjohnI have a quick question, probably one that's been asked and answered (but I didn't find) -- is there anyway to use a BT-enabled cell phone as a regular modem with the 770, without have outrageous data plans?18:37
snowmoonmbjohn: check out howardforums18:37
massouddid work a little bit then :18:37
massoud100% (1239 of 1239 kB, avg. 992 kB/s)18:37
massoudFlashing kernel... Sending request 0x50 failed: Protocol error18:37
snowmoonthe answer is yes, but in a non-trivial way ( depends on phone, provider, plan ... )18:38
massoudand switched off18:38
Jaffambjohn: yes, it supports data calls, as well as packet data. However, that depends on whether or not your phone provider can still identify the GSM call as a data one)18:38
lardmanmassoud: what command line are you using with the flasher?18:38
mbjohnsnowmoon: thanks! I'll look into it! BTW, is there still a lot of interest in the 770? I'm brushing mine off for the first time in a while18:38
snowmoonI just bought one and I use mine with Verizon through an Moto e81518:39
lardmanmbjohn: you probably want to search for DUN18:39
mbjohnlardman: thanks!18:39
JaffaGeneralAntilles: also, `mencoder -oac help' too (newer version still worthwhile, though)18:39
mbjohnI've got verizon with an LG enV (9900 or smething?)18:40
GeneralAntillesWell, the .dmg contains an installer package which installs MPlayer OSX.app18:40
massoudlardman  : ./flasher-3.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R18:40
massoudas ROOT18:41
GeneralAntillesNo mencoder, though.18:41
zoranmassoud, it did not reboot?18:41
GeneralAntillesLittle light on the codecs.18:41
JaffaOK, hang on...18:42
_Monkeyhang on... is it free?18:42
massoudzoran : it did reboot but stopped in the flashing initfs process18:42
lardmanmassoud: I'd be tempted to try flasher-2.018:43
*** saerdnaer2 has joined #maemo18:43
zoranI flashed with 2.0 the last version 200618:43
*** Disconnect has joined #maemo18:43
lardmanmassoud: I seem to remember someone else having some problem that resulted in that Sending request 0x50 failed: Protocol error message18:43
*** xan has quit IRC18:45
JaffaGeneralAntilles: new version of 770-encode at - that should support your mencoder now18:45
*** xan has joined #maemo18:46
massoudzoran : "Unsupported board (id = 0x0000)18:46
massoudwith flasher-2.018:46
lardmanmassoud: this is a 770?18:46
massoudlardman : yes18:46
zoranbattery full?18:47
lardmanperhaps try flasher (1), was flasher 2 for the initial N800 releases?18:47
massoudzoran : no, that might be the pb18:48
zoranif battery full, try to remove mmc crd first18:48
massoudmy batt was not full and not too much charged18:48
massoudshould I have my batt full ?18:48
zoranload it to be full18:48
zorantry that18:48
lardmanmassoud: you ought to have a reasonably fully charged battery in case the external power fails midway through the flashing process18:49
zoranor remove battery first and put it back and then refill18:49
lardmanmassoud: I'd be tempted to try flashing again, but leave off the last -R18:50
massoudzoran, lardman : I try18:50
lardmanmassoud: then try rebooting yourself manually18:50
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo18:50
lardmanmassoud: :) actually try rebooting the 700 manually ;)18:51
massoudwithout -R doesn t help18:52
lardmansame error?18:52
massoudI recharge the batt then18:52
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo18:52
massoudSending kernel image (1239 kB)...18:52
massoud100% (1239 of 1239 kB, avg. 993 kB/s)18:52
massoudFlashing kernel... done.18:52
massoudSending initfs image (1851 kB)...18:52
massoud100% (1851 of 1851 kB, avg. 976 kB/s)18:52
massoudFlashing initfs... Sending request 0x50 failed: Value too large for defined data type18:52
massoudslighlty diff actually18:53
lardmanvery strange18:53
lardmanI think an entry in the bugtracker might be the best bet, give this info - the Nokians will be able to decipher what's causing the problem, but I'd still try downloading again, on the off chance the flash image (and the flasher for that matter) are corrupted18:54
*** greentux has quit IRC18:55
zoranmassoud, could you reflash any file?18:55
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo18:55
zoranlike 3.2006.49-218:55
zoranuse flasher-2.018:55
*** yoran has joined #maemo18:55
snowmoonmassoud: have you tried a different host to flash it from.. possible USB hardware problem on the other end18:55
snowmoondirect connect ( no hubs )18:56
GeneralAntillesWell, with the next 770-encode version I get this with the old mencoder: Went ahead and compiled a newer version of mencoder and now I get this:
lardmanah, what about trying 0xFFFF to do the flashing - should give you more info about what's wrong18:56
*** saerdnaer has quit IRC18:57
*** saerdnaer has joined #maemo18:57
*** yoran has quit IRC18:58
zoranI would advise massoud to recharge the battery first, till he downloads the file again18:58
massoudzoran : I am on it18:58
*** ramo102 has quit IRC18:59
zoransolving problems is 99% of fun18:59
massoudto exclude the batt from the solvings18:59
JaffaGeneralAntilles: mv ~/.mplayer ~/dot-mplayer-old & try again?18:59
zoranwhat box do you use to reflash?19:00
zoranusb 2.0?19:00
*** matan has joined #maemo19:01
*** fab has quit IRC19:01
GeneralAntillesWell, now I get a container19:01
GeneralAntillesBut it doesn't actually do any encoding19:01
JaffaHmm, that's unusual. Can you play back the source video with the companion 'mplayer'?19:02
lardmanno checksums19:03
zoranI read a lot reviews about nokia's 6120 phone and it looks fine19:03
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Hmm. PowerPC mac?19:03
zoranjsut cannot get a point of overheating issue some reviewers mention19:04
JaffaGeneralAntilles: how big's the resulting file - and the source?19:04
GeneralAntillesResult: 0KB Source: 175.4MB19:04
*** |tbb| has quit IRC19:04
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC19:05
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo19:05
JaffaGeneralAntilles: paste of the output again, please?19:05
GeneralAntillesAny way to get more verbose output?19:08
*** saerdnaer2 has quit IRC19:08
JaffaGeneralAntilles: maybe... try perl /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/mediaserv/770-encode -m-v ...19:08
*** jnettlet has quit IRC19:09
JaffaGeneralAntilles: try with -m-vvv ?19:10
JaffaYeah, that might have been a long shot. What about '-s -m-v -m-v -m-v' ?19:12
*** florian has quit IRC19:12
GeneralAntillesNo luck19:12
JaffaOh... hang on: "Building audio filter chain for 48000Hz/2ch/s16be -> 44100Hz/0ch/s8..." - that doesn't look right19:13
*** sKaBoy has quit IRC19:13
lardmanmassoud: good luck with the flashing19:14
lardmannight all19:14
*** lardman is now known as lardman|gone19:14
massoudlardman : seems that it was a batt down issue ... it s flashed19:14
massoudyou have good dreams and good nap19:15
*** dougt has joined #maemo19:15
dougtdoes anyone know what version of pangocairo exists on the n800 or the n810?19:17
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC19:18
JaffaGeneralAntilles: try changing line 129 from "my $af = 'volnorm';" to "my $af = 'volnorm,format=s16ne';" and rerun with the '-s -m-v'. Thanks for your patience, btw.19:18
GeneralAntillesHehe, my patience? No, thank you for _your_ patience. :)19:18
JaffaIt's my tool which isn't working for you ;-)19:19
*** saerdnaer has quit IRC19:20
GeneralAntillesDon't think it did anything.19:21
*** harobed has quit IRC19:22
JaffaBTW, what if you use a different preset, e.g. "best" 770-encode -p best -s -m-v ... ...19:22
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo19:22
GeneralAntillesLooks like no difference.
*** vbattsAtWork has quit IRC19:26
*** korpios has quit IRC19:28
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Let's look for another mencoder then... does contain one?19:31
*** unique311 has joined #maemo19:31
GeneralAntillesInterestingly and unfortunately, no.19:32
JaffaOK, seems to contain some - old, but hopefully not too old.19:32
GeneralAntillesThe one we're using now I built at 1200 EDT19:33
GeneralAntillesDunno if I configured it correctly, though.19:33
JaffaTry the one from inside - I'm sure I heard about a bug in some recent version on OS X19:34
JaffaBut I don't have an OS X box any more19:34
*** Dar has joined #maemo19:35
unique311Jaffa, will your project be made avail for windows boxes?19:37
GeneralAntillesNo change.19:37
Jaffaunique311: hopefully - possibly even as an .exe :)19:37
unique311still trying to reinstall ubuntu...19:38
unique311yeah.  long story.19:38
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC19:38
unique311being lazy...19:39
unique311want to install it natively on a second partition via vmware.19:39
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo19:39
JaffaGeneralAntilles: damn. One last thing: try running `mencoder /Users/ryan/Movies/Miro/1108.avi -o /Users/ryan/Desktop/test123.avi -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=400 -vf-add crop=512:325 -vf-add scale=352:224 -ofps 23.976 -ffourcc DIVX -noidx -endpos 30 -v' directly.19:39
Jitenunique311: should work.19:40
unique311i know...19:40
unique311but different story when actually doing it..19:40
unique311it installs perfectly..19:40
GeneralAntillesDifferent, but still no go.
Jitenat least in theory, gutsy (7.10) should install just fine and even work properly if you boot it natively19:40
Jitenthe only thing that might be tricky is installing bootloader19:41
unique311but after a shut complains that the disk has been change..and its like linux was never installed.19:41
Jitenwhat complains exactly?19:41
JaffaGeneralAntilles: OK, I'm stumped - looks like your mencoder doesn't support mp3 encoding (this the one you built yourself)? The one inside should work, but if that's not working, I'm out of ideas. Sorry.19:41
unique311the disk has been change since last boot up.19:41
GeneralAntillesHehe, thanks for your time, Jaffa.19:42
GeneralAntillesI'll keep trying and see if I can get it working.19:42
GeneralAntillesThis is the one from MediaConverter now.19:42
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC19:42
Jitenof course, if you want to avoid problems, you should set the vmware hard disk emulation to look like your real one.19:42
*** greentux has joined #maemo19:42
unique311considering i didnt write it down..thats all i can remember from the 4 line error19:42
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo19:42
Jitenwell, mostly just the linux partitions should be at the same positions in the partition table.19:43
sp3000I like it when people have my ideas and implement them :P19:44
Jaffasp3000: indeed19:44
Jaffasuggestions welcome :)19:44
unique311Jiten, i notice i change the second partition doing the ubuntu install....but in windows...its still says its a fat16 partition.19:44
Jitenunique311: when you boot the computer, does the text "ubuntu" show up anywhere before the error?19:44
*** korpios has joined #maemo19:44
Jitenok, it's the bootloader then.19:44
unique311the first restart after install it boots properly.19:45
unique311but when i shut it down..19:45
Jitenok, now it's starting to sound weird.19:45
unique311and try to start it..thats when it complains..that the disk has been changed..19:45
Jitenas long as you don't mean a reboot inside vmware19:45
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo19:46
Jitenor does it stop working in vmware too?19:46
Jitenthere is also the matter of precise settings you use for the hard disk in vmware.19:46
unique311after the install..19:46
unique311it ask for restart..ubuntu boots up fine.19:47
pupnikJaffa: i don't understand the no-name folders at the top of your screenshot19:47
Jitenin or out of vmware?19:47
Jitenthen the second boot in vmware gives the error?19:49
Jaffapupnik: first is "." - current directory, second is ".." - parent directory. The first shouldn't appear, the second should have a better label.19:49
*** |tbb| has joined #maemo19:49
*** dougt has quit IRC19:49
unique311yes..after i shut down vmware and restart it.19:49
*** xan has quit IRC19:50
*** xan has joined #maemo19:52
unique311think i just need to stop being lazy, and copy the dvd iso to a disk, and install it...19:53
Jitenisn't it simple to reproduce the message so you can give more accurate information?19:53
JitenI used usb-stick for my last install :)19:54
Jitenit required a bit of tweaking to get it to boot the installer though19:54
Jitenmore than it would take to just burn the dvd19:54
Jitenoh, vmware error19:57
Jitenit already tells there what you need to do to fix it19:57
unique311and i did.19:58
*** fsmw is now known as fsmw_19:58
Jitenit didn't fix it then?19:58
* timely_changelog tries to figure out which app listed . and ..19:58
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC19:58
unique311just complain about the disk already existing...19:58
Jaffa`ls -a'19:59
Jitensounds like bug in vmware then19:59
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo19:59
JaffaSuffice to say, the mediaserv README lists the '..' as a bug ;)19:59
Jitenyou did remove the disk before trying to add? right?19:59
Jitenwell, then I'm out of ideas.20:00
unique311i know i partition the disk in vmware...for the ubuntu install..20:01
unique311but in windows..its still showing up as fat16..20:01
unique311so i'm guessing the install i did was not actually to the physical partition.20:01
*** svu has quit IRC20:01
Jitenthat also sounds a bit fishy. do you use the partition as a virtual disk or as a partition in a virtual disk?20:01
unique311but a virtual install.20:01
*** svu has joined #maemo20:02
*** jnettlet has quit IRC20:02
unique311see now thats confusing..20:02
Jitenit's an important distinction :)20:02
unique311i wanted to do a native install to a partition.20:03
Jitenif you don't use the latter option, you can't do what you want.20:03
unique311i think the second option is what went down..20:03
JitenI'm not actually even sure if vmware supports that option20:03
unique311but was not what i was trying to accomplish.20:03
*** greentux has quit IRC20:04
unique311it does..20:04
unique311i've done osx86 installs that way..20:04
unique311where after shutting down the computer..osx was available as an operating system.20:04
Jitenanyway, if you've done the install that way, if you can manage to get the boot process going, it should work with native boot20:04
Jitensince vmware complains about partition table being changed, it's likely the install actually modified it.20:05
Jitenwhich might mean bootloader got installed too20:06
Jitenyou tried booting since the attempt?20:06
unique311boots into windows.20:06
unique311think i know where i went wrong..20:07
Jitenwell, if it was my system, I'd just put an old linux live-cd on the drive, boot up, go install bootloader manually and be done with it.20:07
unique311going to give it one more go...before i take the regular route.20:07
Jitenthat vmware way is rather tricky since you need to be careful of so many things.20:08
unique311I know.20:08
unique311thanks for the help...20:09
*** bedboi has quit IRC20:09
*** pleemans has joined #maemo20:09
*** bueroman has quit IRC20:09
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC20:09
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo20:10
Andy80a little question...20:10
*** dneary has quit IRC20:11
Andy80I'm trying to flash my N770 with Os2007 hacker edition. I run from root: ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f20:11
Andy80having the n770 usb cable attached... it says: Suitable USB device not found, waiting20:11
Andy80then, I power up the N77020:11
Andy80but it boots normally, without flashing anything...20:12
Andy80any ideas?20:12
timely_changelogtry holding home20:12
*** Atarii has joined #maemo20:12
DisconnectAndy80: pull out the memory card20:13
Andy80Disconnect: ok20:13
*** fab has joined #maemo20:13
Disconnect(and hold home, but sometimes just pulling the card is enough)20:15
Andy80oh I didn't press the home button!20:15
Andy80sorry :(20:15
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo20:17
Disconnectnot always necessary, if it sees the flasher it'll go USB-mode automatically20:17
Andy80keeped the Home button... I attached the power cable and the usb icon was showed in the display20:18
Andy80it's still on....20:18
Andy80I see the Nokia logo and the USB icon...20:18
Andy80but in the linux shell nothing happens20:18
Andy80damn... it's locked :S20:19
Andy80nothing happens even if I keep the power button pressed20:19
Andy80I remove the battery...20:19
Takare you directly connected? (e.g. no usb hub?)20:20
Andy80like last time I upgraded the Os 200620:20
Andy80I've started the procedure from begin... I'm following these instructions:
*** playya_ has joined #maemo20:22
Takhmm - is flasher-3.0 not required for 2007HE ?20:23
*** simon_ has joined #maemo20:24
Andy80should I try with flasher-3 ?20:25
*** ian_brasil has joined #maemo20:25
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC20:26
*** elmarco is now known as elmarco|standby20:26
Andy80(it's flashing with 3.0 :) )20:27
inzOlder flashers don't detect newer software versions20:28
Andy80finished flashing... it's rebooting I suppose....20:28
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo20:31
*** playya has quit IRC20:31
*** pipomolo42 has quit IRC20:33
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC20:33
Andy80I'm going to eat now, I'll try it later20:34
Andy80thanks again :)20:34
*** koen has quit IRC20:35
TakAndy80: killer20:35
*** koen has joined #maemo20:35
*** lopz has joined #maemo20:36
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo20:37
*** pipomolo42 has joined #maemo20:39
*** mallum has quit IRC20:39
*** Pio has joined #maemo20:40
*** jnettlet has quit IRC20:40
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC20:40
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo20:41
*** cwiiis has quit IRC20:43
*** kupesoft has joined #maemo20:43
*** Solarion has quit IRC20:44
*** slomo_ has joined #maemo20:47
*** VimSi has joined #maemo20:48
*** vims0r has quit IRC20:48
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC20:53
*** r2d2rogers has joined #maemo20:56
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo20:58
*** slomo has quit IRC21:00
*** slomo_ has quit IRC21:03
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC21:07
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo21:07
Andy80once installed the os2007 HE, do I have to refer to N800 repository to install additional software?21:10
Taka good deal of mistral software will still work on 2007HE, but I have good luck with the bora repos for the most part21:11
Takmeh - what's the voodoo for building an architecture-independent package?21:13
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC21:14
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo21:14
mgedmindebian/control has architecture: all, iirc21:14
Takhmm, it keeps building an armel package21:15
Takoh, duh21:15
* Tak slaps forehead21:15
TakI was trying to specify the arch on the source package21:15
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC21:18
*** pdz- has joined #maemo21:19
Andy80Tak: there is also SkypeUI in the repository :) what happens if I install it? does it work?21:19
*** Pio has joined #maemo21:21
*** pdz has quit IRC21:22
*** konttori has joined #maemo21:22
*** Paavo has quit IRC21:23
TakI suspect not21:24
||cwis the software you are trying to build a package for a binary or just scripts?21:25
*** solmumaha has joined #maemo21:26
_Monkeyscripts is missing21:26
Takworks now; I just added the architecture line to the wrong section like an idiot21:26
||cw_Monkey: forget scripts21:26
_Monkey||cw: I forgot scripts21:26
*** ||cw has quit IRC21:29
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC21:31
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo21:31
*** Pio has quit IRC21:32
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC21:34
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo21:34
*** TechJunkie has joined #maemo21:35
*** florian has joined #maemo21:35
milhousescripts is <reply>21:35
*** Pio has joined #maemo21:36
Andy80Tak: I'm able to install it, and I'm able to start it... but it crashes after 4-5 seconds :(21:37
*** Pinguozzz has joined #maemo21:38
mgedminwhat is <reply>?21:39
mgedmina marker to tell the bot to ignore utterances of the form "foo is bar"?21:39
milhousesee - no answer from the monkey :)21:39
milhouseinfobot guide?21:41
_Monkeysomebody said infobot guide was
infobotguide is probably at
_Monkeyi already had it that way, infobot.21:41
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC21:41
milhousebattle of the bots...21:41
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo21:41
milhouseread the guide to see how to teach the bot21:41
celesteh_Monkey, smack the infobot!21:42
_Monkeycelesteh: sorry...21:42
Tak_Monkey is much more annoying than infobot21:42
celestehalso more amusing21:42
* Tak shrugs21:42
* Tak /ignore21:42
milhouse_monkey good bot21:42
milhouseaha can't self karma21:43
celestehI heard that _monkey was the smartest programmer on IRC21:43
milhousekarma _monkey21:43
_Monkey_monkey has karma of 221:43
milhouseor maybe it can...21:43
milhousekarma _monkey21:43
_Monkey_monkey has karma of 321:43
milhouseindeed so21:43
celestehkarma me21:43
_Monkeycelesteh has neutral karma21:43
*** skibur has joined #maemo21:44
celestehkarma me21:44
_Monkeycelesteh has karma of -121:44
milhousekarma me21:44
_Monkeymilhouse has karma of 421:44
milhouseooh nice21:44
celestehdoes this mean next time I log in, I'll have a worse nick?21:45
milhouseshouldn't do21:45
milhousenothing to do with irc21:45
* celesteh trying to make a karma pun21:45
milhouseor your login21:45
celestehi come back as housefly_celesteh21:45
milhousenickometer celesteh21:46
_Monkey'celesteh' is 0% lame, milhouse21:46
milhousenickometer l33tn1ck21:46
_Monkey'l33tn1ck' is 99.76% lame, milhouse21:46
* sp3000 can't beat that21:46
milhousenickometer sp300021:46
_Monkey'sp3000' is 73% lame, milhouse21:46
milhousenice try thouygh! ;)21:47
infobotmilhouse meant: nice try though! ;)21:47
sp3000and here I was expecting something in the low forties21:47
*** rev has joined #maemo21:48
*** |tbb| has quit IRC21:49
*** richieeee72 has joined #maemo21:49
*** ||cw has joined #maemo21:50
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC21:51
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo21:51
*** ebel has joined #maemo21:51
*** akai--- has joined #maemo21:53
_Monkeysalut, akai---21:53
milhousekarma akai---21:53
_Monkeyakai--- has neutral karma21:53
milhousekarma akai---21:54
_Monkeyakai--- has neutral karma21:54
akai---do you know of any other themes for kagu than the default one21:54
akai---I mean the orange one?21:54
milhousenickometer akai---21:54
_Monkey'akai---' is 97.05% lame, milhouse21:54
milhousehehe :)21:54
milhousei think i read something about the original theme returning at some stage21:55
TakI think they're planning to make the theme selectable21:55
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo21:59
*** ryanfaerman has joined #maemo22:03
*** lmoura has quit IRC22:03
Andy80I tried to use the "seatbelt" for N770, but I cannot open the archive:
Andy80anyone that knows how to install it?22:06
Andy80it's a tar.gz but my system says that it's not a tar.gz :S22:07
*** alterego has joined #maemo22:07
milhousecorrupt download?22:07
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC22:07
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo22:08
* alterego clears his throat22:08
alteregoI meant hi :)22:08
*** pdz has joined #maemo22:09
* alterego wonders if he's had a bit too much to drink to code.22:09
Andy80milhouse: can you try it?22:09
Andy80I tried to download it 3-4 times22:10
milhouseyep give me two ticks22:10
Andy80thanks :)22:10
alteregoAnyone know if Nokia handset terminals still use the AT+ command set?22:11
shaprHas anyone gotten A2DP working on a desktop machine?22:12
milhousegrrrr.... why do garage downloads have to be in https? it means wget is useless22:12
shaprIt's makin me crazee!22:12
alteregomilhouse, have you tried without https?22:12
* Tak agree with milhouse 22:12
*** akai--- has left #maemo22:12
alteregoI.E. changing the URL to http.22:12
milhousealterego: http doesn't work, it forwards to https22:13
*** kpel has joined #maemo22:13
kpelhi guys22:13
*** mgedmin has quit IRC22:13
alteregoYeah, the HTTPS is annoying in a few circumstances. Especially when the browsre throws certification errors.22:13
milhousejust downloaded it to my pc, about to filezilla/ssh it over to the 770 and filezilla wants to update itself - a few moments longer...22:14
Andy80milhouse: I was able to doenload it, after 5-6 times! :S22:14
*** greentux has joined #maemo22:14
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC22:15
*** jnettlet_ has joined #maemo22:15
Jitendoes someone have some sort of numbers on how n800's processor's performance compares to, for example 2GHz athlon64?22:16
alteregoJiten, that would be very silly.22:16
milhousehmmm... getting "invalid tar magic" here22:16
JitenI'm profiling my code22:16
alteregoStarters, X86 processors have a floating point accelerator22:16
alteregoThe OMAP's used in the IT's don't.22:17
Jitenright, so if I want meaningful profiling, I have to do it on n80022:17
alteregoThat would be the best way IMO/22:17
milhousealterego: winrar doesn't like it either, says it's corrupt. will try downloading again...22:17
Andy80milhouse: I know... same error as me... I had to download it again for 5-6 times before getting a working one22:17
alteregoThat's not good ..22:18
Jitenat least on my desktop computer, it seems html rendering is not the biggest cpu power user.22:18
Jitenit looks like my problems aren't badly performing html decoder. It really doesn't get called enough to make a dent in the numbers22:19
*** pdz- has quit IRC22:19
milhousealterego: i keep getting the same 601 byte file22:19
Jitenthe core logic of this python application (code I haven't really even taken a look at) is responsible.22:20
alteregomilhouse, that kind of sounds like a divert. What are you downloading? Could you please link me to it,.22:20
milhouseit says 571 bytes, i download 601...22:20
alteregoYeah, HTML rendering, even if it's not particularly efficient shouldn't take much of the users' time.22:20
milhouse(using firefox 2 on windas)22:20
Andy80what is the default password for root in Os2007 HE? I've enabled red pill mode, installed becomeroot, and I can become root with "sudo becomeroot" but how can I ssh into it?22:21
alteregomilhouse, it's a source code tarball.22:21
TakAndy80: rootme22:21
_Monkeyrootme is the default pw?22:21
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC22:21
alteregoUnless you've got something that will open .tar.gz files you might be having issues with that,22:21
*** jnettlet has quit IRC22:21
*** jnettlet__ has joined #maemo22:21
alteregoThe size is about right. It's only ~600B22:21
milhousessh should be available in extra, installable via the app manager (no need for xterm/red pill mode etc.) - install openssh-server22:22
bmidgley2007he won't unmount card... lsof shows "metalayer" has a bunch of maemo-mapper files open22:22
bmidgleyeven after a reboot...22:22
milhousecorrupt file making metalayer-crawler go nuts?22:23
Takis this a reboot while plugged in?22:23
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo22:23
alteregoBad idea .. :)22:23
Andy80_Monkey: yes22:23
_MonkeyAndy80: what?22:23
Andy80just tried and changed :)22:23
*** dolske has quit IRC22:23
milhousealterego: looks like either garage is fcked, or the author of seatbelt didn't bother to test his uploaded package... :)22:23
*** jnettlet has quit IRC22:24
alteregoGarage seems to be fine.22:24
alteregomilhouse, what are you opening the archive with?22:24
milhousealterego: i've tried tar tvzf - no joy, and winrar (which normally has no problems with compressed tar balls) chokes on it too22:24
bmidgleyI rebooted it with no cables22:25
milhousethat's tar on the 770 - actually that's busybox tar. let me try gnu tar.22:25
bmidgleythings were fine for a minute... i could open the latch22:25
bmidgleybut after closing it, metalayer seems to be wedged again22:25
_Monkeysomebody said pastebin was http://maemo.pastebin.org22:26
milhouse_monkey thanks22:26
_Monkeymilhouse: sure thing22:26
alteregomilhouse, works fine for me :/22:26
*** metrox has joined #maemo22:26
bmidgleymaybe I'll just reformat the rsmmc card under ubuntu... hopefully it's not difficult to figure out the optimal vfat settings for 2gb22:27
alteregomilhouse, busybox tar doesn't understand the z flag.22:29
alteregogunzip it first.22:29
alteregoThen untar it22:29
milhousethat was with gnu tar22:29
*** skibur has quit IRC22:29
milhouseand busybox does understand z - just becareful where you put it :)22:30
alteregomilhouse, try that.22:31
*** metrox has left #maemo22:31
Jitenok, python cPickle is easy but surprisingly slow. the program only unpickles on initialise once and then pickles on shutdown. unpickle was 6100ms and pickle was 5300ms22:31
Jitenthat explains the startup and shutdown times22:31
* alterego has no idea what that means :)22:31
Jitenpickle is the standard way in python to save data structures22:32
alteregoAh, serialization?22:32
alteregoHow big is the data?22:32
milhousealterego - that proves dcc works :)22:32
Jitenlets see22:32
alteregomilhouse, yeah, I wasn't sure it'd burst through my firewall ;)22:33
Jitenthe pickled file is 767kb22:33
alteregoThat's pretty big.22:33
*** apple2 has quit IRC22:33
Jitenwell exported to xml the data is still 702kb22:33
alteregoDepending on the nature of the program .. Could you not load incrementally? I.E. having several state files and loading them at different points in startup?22:34
alteregoAlso maybe you could do some threading?22:34
*** jnettlet_ has quit IRC22:34
JitenI haven't looked at how the internal logic works yet22:34
JitenI've only reimplemented the interface22:34
Jitenthere certainly is no need to keep all that data in memory22:35
alteregoAh, well I'd imagine the serialization method doesn't compress. So it's no suprise that the XML representation is around the same size.22:35
*** pleemans has quit IRC22:36
Jitenbzip2 made the xml file 58kb and the pickled one 101kb22:36
alteregoAh, that's indicative of what may be happening.22:36
bmidgleyare the mkfs.vfat defaults reasonable for a 2gb card? I see opts for logical-sector & fat sizes22:36
alteregopickle might be serializing in a psuedo binary format.22:37
alteregoObviously I don't know off hand :)22:37
Jitenit's ascii armored at least, I think22:37
alteregobmidgley, just use the defaults ;)22:37
bmidgleyok here goes22:38
alteregoIt's been 2 years since I used Python.22:38
Jitenwow, both formats are incredibly wasteful. The most important stuff exports into 115kb textfile :)22:38
alteregoYou can guess why I stopped ;)22:38
*** playya_ has quit IRC22:38
*** jnettlet__ has quit IRC22:39
alteregoWell, depending on the complexity of the data-structure/s and the amount of _real_ data. That's not suprising.22:39
Jitenthough, this version does waste some of the data.22:39
alteregoGenerally with serialization the wasteful parts are the saving of the actual structure of data and not the acutal data itself :)22:39
Takalterego: have an opinion on the best place to host xchat-ruby?  I don't think I want to open another garage project just for that...22:41
Jitenok, then     return sum(1 for i in items if i.is_due_for_acquisition_rep())22:41
alteregoTak, well you're welcome to space on
alteregoSVN and all.22:41
alteregoTell me what you need and I'll sort it out.22:42
Jitenthis sort of construct is worth for 4 seconds for it's own code and another 4 in the function it calls.22:42
Jitenthis looks prime candidate for some optimization22:42
*** playya has joined #maemo22:42
Jiten~80k calls to that one :)22:42
Takalterego: what are you planning to do repowise?  garage extras?22:43
*** pdz- has joined #maemo22:43
alteregoTak, I was thinking of doing a ruby debian repository.22:43
alteregoWell it's up to you how you distribute your packages :P22:43
alteregoTo be honest, I don't have much experience with debian repositories or package management. Everything I know I've learned over the past few months since I started ruby-maemo22:44
alteregoI was hoping on serving everything up with one-click installers.22:45
alterego(I don't know how those .install files work yet though) :)22:45
bmidgleywhere do you draw the line between deb repositories and gem repositories?22:46
alteregoI don't22:46
JaffaBest option for that is garage extras, especially since a) they're autogenerated for you there, b) it's available in the standard OS 2008 build22:46
alteregomaemo can't do gems.22:46
JaffaLet's resist any more repo proliferation22:46
bmidgleyno rails devel on maemo then :)22:47
alteregoI've tried using rubygems on the IT's and it is so slow you might aswell walk to the nearest repository and write down copy the file manually .. With a paper and pencile.22:47
TakI'm with Jaffa22:47
alteregobmidgley, well, yes,.22:47
alteregoIf you want to.22:47
alteregoJust don't use gems on the device.22:47
alteregoIt's slow on desktop, it's pretty much a standstill on an embedded device like the IT's :)22:48
Takalterego: any particular reason you don't want to use the garage extras repo?22:48
alteregoTak, no, not at all :)22:48
alteregoI have to have a hosted project though?22:48
JaffaNot at all ;)22:49
alteregoWell, that's settled then :) I got denied when I applied for a ruby-maemo project space. So I just did everything on my own server.22:49
Takwtf, you got denied?  why on earth?22:50
alteregoBecause of a previous ruby "port".22:50
alteregoWhich was just a cross-compilation from 2006 or something.22:50
alteregoIt's kind of sad really.22:51
* Tak agrees22:51
GeneralAntillesYou should write a letter. ;)22:51
Jaffa_Monkey: extras upload?22:51
_Monkeyjaffa: i haven't a clue22:51
*** dolske has joined #maemo22:51
Jaffa_Monkey: extras upload is
_MonkeyOK, Jaffa.22:51
alteregoLike the Google SoC project for some kind of ruby/maemo project that never happened.22:51
bmidgleyalterego take over the old project22:51
alteregobmidgley, yeah. I'll look into that :)22:52
bmidgleyyou could ask the old maintainer22:52
alteregoI'll e-mail the "maintainer" and see what he wants to do :)22:52
*** pdz has quit IRC22:53
Takwhich is it, ?22:53
*** matan has quit IRC22:53
alteregoI'd really like to start a ruby-maemo community. Making some kind of development platform with examples on good ways to create small/medium/large maemo apps in ruby. Tutorials on certain aspects of the platform. A wiki for people to comment on improvements and write howtos and stuff.22:53
alteregoI don't mind doing everything myself. I'd just like it to become bigger than me :)22:54
bmidgleyI go to a ruby usergroup and I'd like to show off maemo but python seems to be the preferred lang22:55
alteregoIt's only prefered because my ruby bindings aren't really as mature.22:55
alteregoI will be releasing 1.1 on Friday. It will include libxml, libsdl, sqlite3, hildon and libosso.22:56
GeneralAntillesSounds like I should learn Ruby.22:56
TakI would contribute to a ruby-maemo community offering22:56
bmidgleyalterego: tutorials?22:57
alteregoSo far I have almost completed the API documentation.22:57
alteregoI have examples but not tutorials or howto's.22:57
konttorione reason why python is good option is that it will be included on the device by default in the future versions (after diablo)22:57
alteregoThose will be my next task :)22:57
*** pdz- has quit IRC22:57
konttorinot dissing ruby in any way22:58
alteregokonttori, it's okay. Python is standard in debian anyhow ;)22:58
alteregoSeriously, I like Python. I just found Ruby to be nicer.22:58
bmidgleyI write ruby all the time for web stuff but I rarely touch python...22:59
*** kb7sqi has joined #maemo22:59
alteregoWell, like I said earlier. I've not used Python in almost 2 years. (since I started Ruby actually ;)22:59
konttoriyeah. both are pretty good, but ruby shines for web development22:59
alteregoRails shines for web development. There is still a distinction.22:59
konttoriI'll rephrase. Both are excellent.22:59
alteregoAlso, Rails is great because of the man that dedicated all that time to it. And the community of developers that followed.23:00
Jitenalterego: what do you think are the most noticeable things that ruby does better than python?23:00
konttorirails? ;)23:00
alteregoJiten, iterators, closures, lambda expressions.23:00
*** kb7sqi has quit IRC23:01
*** pdz has joined #maemo23:01
alteregoIntrospection/reflection and meta-programming23:01
_Monkeyiterators are optimized to do iterations over sequences or any objects23:01
Jitenyes, I knew that much.23:01
alteregoTake this: (0..100).to_a.each {|e| puts e}23:01
*** krau is now known as krau|away23:02
Jitenwhat does that do?23:02
alteregoThat defines a range, that gets converted to an array. Then the result is iterated over outputing each element of the array (range 0..100)23:02
Takyes, much less clunky than in python23:03
alteregoYou could actually do: (0..100).each {|i| puts i}23:03
alteregoBecause a range is iteratable.23:03
alteregoIf that's a real word :)23:03
Jitenfor i in range(100): print i23:03
Jitenthis does the same in python if I understood correctly23:04
alteregoRuby has this nice thing. If you create a class and define an 'each' method. Then you can import a "mixin" which is like an interface which will allow you to use a load of functions like 'map' (lispish) 'select', 'reject' ....23:04
alteregoThere are loads of enumerable methods. And all you need to do is define a single 'each' method :)23:05
JitenI've been toying with haskell so functional constructs are somewhat familiar23:05
alteregoHaskell is nice.23:05
alteregoI've yet to find a place for it in my projects though.23:06
alteregoI spend too much time thinking about design and not code with Haskell.23:06
alteregoRuby really just gets out of your way and allows you to code in a very agile manner.23:06
JitenI do a lot of thinking about the design anyway so haskell didn't really slow me down.23:07
JitenI like clean code23:07
alteregoOh, me too.23:07
alteregoI'm a perfectionist.23:07
alteregoBut ruby allows me to be pragmatic without that dirty feeling you get when you normally prototype ;)23:07
alteregoSince I've been using Ruby, I don't follow my old rewrite 3 times rule :)23:08
MikhoI have a vague recollection of having huge problems with ruby unicode support23:08
Jitenhaskell, in a way, is pure lambda expressions everywhere :)23:08
alteregoI just refactor, it's refreshing.23:08
alteregoMikho, yeah. That used to be a problem. Not anymore. In fact Ruby in ruby-maemo is set to UTF-8 by default so you don't have to worry about it ;)23:09
Jitenyes, I also refactor if I notice I could've done something differently23:09
JitenI just don't have to do it often23:09
Mikhobut UTF-8 causes me problems with scandinavian letters...23:10
alteregoWell, Haskell and also LISP promote very good coding standards. DRY it's very prominent in Ruby to.23:10
shaprmmmm Haskell23:10
shaprI get paid to write Haskell! It's my day job!23:10
alteregoIf I was to familiarize Ruby with other languages. I'd say Ruby is a Perl/Python/Lisp/Smalltalk hybrid :)23:10
alteregoshapr, you're an exceptionally lucky guy :)23:11
alteregoOr girl ;)23:11
Jitenshapr: got any work to share?23:11
shaprI think Ruby's OO model is a bit better than Python's, but I prefer significant whitespace.23:11
alteregoSyntax isn't worth worrying about.23:11
shaprIt's important to me.23:11
alteregoBut you're right. Ruby is purely OO, where as Python isn't.23:11
Mikhopersonally I hate the python "pass" command23:11
shaprJiten: Done any open source Haskell work?23:11
alteregoRuby is OO in the smalltalk sense :)23:12
Jitenshapr: just a small try when I was trying to get my head around the thinking pattern23:12
shaprFrom a Haskell perspective, Ruby does not do anonymous funtions well.23:12
alteregoshapr, in what manner?23:12
alteregoI think it does them well.23:12
shaprJiten: If you get a good track record in the Haskell community, you can probably get a job without too much trouble.23:12
alteregoPython barely does them at all :D23:12
*** tank1770 has quit IRC23:13
shaprYeah, Python's lambda is for one line functions only.23:13
*** unique311 has quit IRC23:13
Jiten my first try at doing something with haskell23:13
shaprJiten: I've been interviewed by three Haskell companies, and had two others try to recruit me via email.23:13
alteregoshapr, so what's wrong with Ruby's "blocks" ?23:14
alteregoThey're closures and everything ^_^23:14
shaprI had some serious problem with them last time I looked, but I don't remember what it was. Maybe I couldn't pass in parameters easily?23:15
shaprI'll see if I can figure it out in a bit.23:15
alteregoshapr, I think maybe you were doing something that was beyond your knowledge of Ruby.23:15
shaprJiten: It does look like you have definite clue in Haskell.23:15
alteregoNo offense, sorry :)23:15
shapralterego: I don't think so, I was just trying to make an anonymous function.23:16
shapralterego: No offense taken, I like to learn new stuff.23:16
alteregoshapr, in what way anonymous?23:16
Jitenshapr: that did take me 2 days though.23:16
Jitenwell, few hours each day23:16
shaprJiten: If you contribute to some of the open source Haskell projects, I think you could get a job.23:17
Jitenhaskell is the first functional language I've even tried.23:17
alteregoIckle example: p = lambda {|*args| args.each {|a| puts a}}23:17
alteregoYou can then do"what", "ever", "you", "like", 1, 2, 3, 4)23:18
alteregoUnfortunately I can't count higher than 423:18
Jitenshapr: that's the only thing I have to show at the moment though. I need to finish the book too. I've only read half of it so far.23:19
shaprJiten: You could hang out on #haskell, you might like it :-)23:20
*** ryanfaerman has quit IRC23:21
alteregoAre they friendlier than the #lisp folks ? :)23:21
shapralterego: I admit, that sure looks like the real deal, and I'm drawing a blank on what I was missing before.23:21
shapralterego: Very much so23:21
alteregoThat's good.23:21
Jitenshapr: that's damn big channel.23:21
alteregoI can't stand arrogant programmers.23:21
alteregoI'm crap, I'll admit it :)23:22
shapralterego: First of all, I started #haskell 6.25 years ago, so if they're not nice, I'll kick ass and take bans....23:22
alteregoNice :)23:22
*** snowmoon has quit IRC23:22
alteregoI'd love to get into Haskell more. But I love Ruby.23:22
alteregoI'm not sure where I'd put Haskell on my shelf. So far I only really need C and Ruby.23:23
shapralterego: Drop by #haskell when you have time, both the channel and the language are fun.23:23
alteregoWell, besides Awk, Sed and Sh :)23:23
*** egsavage has quit IRC23:23
kpelhaskell is fun. "everything is a list" :P23:24
alteregoEvery now-and-again I find myself missing Scheme. I was thinking of doing a scheme port to maemo.23:24
shaprkpel: I'd argue that everything is a function.23:24
alteregoMaybe over Christmas I'll do that ;)23:24
alteregoscheme-maemo ^_^23:24
shaprYeah, a good scheme interpreter on maemo would be nifty.23:24
*** egsavage has joined #maemo23:24
kpelshapr: i agree, one of my lecturers at uni didn't :)23:25
alteregoI dunno, I have too much time on my hands. Maybe I should try and get a "real" job ^_^23:25
derfWhy on earth would you want one of those?23:25
shaprkpel: I think that misconception comes from the fact that strings are lists of characters.23:25
alteregoWhat is a "real job" anyway.23:25
shaprkpel: But I've never had any CS courses, so I'm not sure.23:26
shaprSo after programming for twenty five years, I'm actually going to start a CS degree.23:26
alteregoshapr, I'd imagine with 25 years of experience you should know what you're talking about by now ;)23:26
shaprIn some small areas, yeah...23:27
alteregoWell, a string is conceptually a list of characters. But what's a character?23:27
Takgod damn it23:27
shaprHopefully I won't catch foot in mouth disease.23:27
kpelshadov: the strings are lists as you said, the keyboard "could be seen as an infinite list" blah, blah, blah23:27
shapralterego: Good question. I think there's not an especially good answer.23:27
* Tak infinite-nokia-screen loop23:27
derfA list of charcter-bits!23:27
shapruh oh23:28
alteregoWell, it depend on the "character encoding" I'd imagine :)23:28
shapralterego: Even in UTF-8 that can be hard to answer.23:28
alteregoWell, kind of.23:28
kpela character is a digital represenation of a symbol, right?23:28
alteregoIn C it's simple. There's no such thing as a character.23:28
shaprkpel: I don't think that's specific enough.23:29
* kpel loves C23:29
*** mk8 has joined #maemo23:29
mk8Hi to all23:29
alteregoC is okay.23:29
alteregoToo much head banging for me.23:29
alterego(and I like rock music)23:29
kpelshapr: by definition characters are not specific enough. they rely on the definition of the symbol.23:29
*** Ar-ras has joined #maemo23:30
_Monkeyhello, Ar-ras23:30
Takyah, I get to reflash23:30
alteregoTak, congrats :)23:30
alteregoI'm holding off until 200823:30
Takannoying that you can brick the device by doing a simple package upgrade23:30
alteregoI've not actually flashed the latest image with the SDHC fixes ..23:31
* Tak 2007HE23:31
_Monkey2007HE is, like, really great23:31
Ar-raswhere can i download chinook :D23:32
alteregoGreat .. I'm gonna have to fork out 300 GBP for a smart phone if I want to work on a project I've got planned.23:32
alteregoMaybe I could snap up my brothers N80 or whatever if he gets an N9523:34
gla55some cheapo 3rd eds should be cheaper23:34
alterego3rd eds?23:34
gla55s60 3rd edition devices23:34
gla55like n80 and n9523:34
alteregoErm .. Like .. What models?23:34
alteregoN95 cheap?23:34
alteregoI thought that was the newest one?23:35
gla55n95-8gb is "top of the line"23:35
gla55but theres cheaper23:35
gla55like e50 etc..23:35
alteregohmm .. Maybe I'll just forget about it until I've got more money.23:36
gla55e65 is like 240£23:36
*** Andy80 has quit IRC23:36
Ar-rasS60 3rd sucks23:36
alteregoI _really_ don't want to spend more than 100£ on a phone.23:36
alteregoThey're so expensive ex-contract.23:36
gla556120 classic uner 20023:36
Ar-rascant you unlock the prepaid ones?23:37
alteregoI really needa S6023:37
gla55i'd check reaaally carefully if you can unlock23:37
alteregoSomething I can hack a bit.23:37
Ar-rasalterego forget it23:37
gla55Ar-ras: the alternative being?23:37
Ar-rasif you want to hack the BB5 Phones23:37
kpelspeaking of s60 and N95, there is now a web server available for phones!
Ar-rasthe firmware is RSA protected / signed23:38
gla55kpel: it's been available for a while, had a different name tho23:38
Ar-rasIf you want to write software for it it is possible23:38
alteregoWhen I say hack, I mean write software for :P23:38
Ar-rasok D23:38
Ar-rasbecause i have friends who hack firmware ;)23:38
alteregoAfter doing that with Palms I really don't want to mess at that level again ;)23:39
kpelgla55: i had no idea, discovered it today and sort of liked it. but it's really slow. perhaps when hsupa is deployed things will get better.23:39
Ar-rasalterego with raskal bb5box cheap unlock is possible23:39
gla55kpel: i consider it mostly a toy, i'd rather have the things served from some server and just update the content from the phone23:40
alteregoIt's fun and personally rewarding. It's just you get so annoyed when you can't get certain peripherals working :/ Even something as simple as BT .. When the drivers are OSS O_O23:40
kpelgla55: agreed.23:40
Ar-rasdo you want S60v2 or v3?23:40
alteregoAr-ras, it doesn't matter. Just something I can write some software for to play around with some ideas.23:41
gla55v2's can be picked up dirt cheap.. but if you want to hack something others would use too then they're getting old23:41
alteregoYeah ..23:41
*** pdz- has joined #maemo23:41
alteregov2 is 3650 right?23:41
gla553650 is 1.223:41
Ar-rasi think23:41
Ar-rasif you want23:41
gla557650 is 0.9, after that they went to the edition stupid naming23:41
shaprDoes anyone know how to pair a bluetooth headset to a debian desktop?23:41
Ar-rasthen 6280 (v3) or 6680 (v2)23:42
Ar-rasbut think23:42
alteregoWhat's the current version?23:42
* alterego spits out coffee.23:42
alteregoWell, if I was drinking coffee.23:42
Ar-ras9.2 is N95 i think23:42
gla559.2 is the currently shipping symbian os version..23:42
JitenI guess there is no haskell compiler for maemo?23:42
gla55not s60 version23:42
alteregoYeah, that makes sense :)23:43
gla55fp1 is like 3.1 in nokia internal speech sometimes23:43
suihkulokkiJiten: ghc6 needs a bit of porting for armel, should not be very hard23:43
gla55which is n9523:43
alteregoIt makes more sense not to lock to S60 really.23:43
alteregoSo maybe I should aim at something that's Symbian "generic" ..23:43
gla55if you can do the stuff in j2me then it's good news for you..23:43
gla55hah, good luck23:43
Ar-rasyou must think about devcerts23:44
alteregoIs there a BT API for J2ME?23:44
Ar-rasif you write software for S60 V323:44
gla55alterego: yeah23:44
alteregoHow standard is it across smartphones?23:44
Ar-rasJSR-82 (Bluetooth)23:44
pupnikwhat is it exactly that the Tablets are missing to run java apps?23:44
gla55alterego: unless you need like cellid shit and mess with phone things or do background stuff reliably you can get around with j2me pretty far23:44
alteregopupnik, Java23:44
*** tank1770 has joined #maemo23:45
*** Disconnect has quit IRC23:45
alteregogla55, well. One of my ideas needs cell id ;)23:45
gla55alterego: ouchie.   on some motos you can fetch it from a system property23:45
alteregoWell, to an extent. It doesn't out right rely on it ..23:45
Ar-rasdo you want to calculate gps position of O2 Germany ?23:45
gla55alterego: there's location apis though23:45
Jitensuihkulokki: I've no experience at working with compilers at all. Is that a suitable first project? as in, not too difficult.23:45
alteregoYeah, maybe what I want is do-able with J2ME.23:46
gla55that would save you a lot of hair23:46
alteregoWhat about FS access? How restricted is that at the moment? Or is it mostly user-auth?23:46
*** pdz-_ has joined #maemo23:46
gla55alterego: there's an api for it23:46
Ar-rasfor the most things, there is an api23:47
gla55as restricted as from a regularly signed symbian app i suppose23:47
alteregoWell, you guys have been very informative. I'll look into the details when I think more seriously about this endeavour.23:47
alteregoOh, what about AT+ command set?23:48
alteregoIs that accessible via BT serial ?23:48
gla55forget it.23:48
_Monkeygla55: I forgot it23:48
gla55alterego: maybe on some phone23:48
Ar-rasAT Commands23:48
alteregoIt's the only way I remember of accessing SMS O_O23:48
gla55alterego: you could do a serial to the phone itself.. dunno.  would be highly phone specific. i wouldn't recommend it23:48
gla55alterego: if you're making calls or sending sms's or mms there's apis23:49
Juhazfull file access is insanely restricted, and won't be given for almost anything, some is user grantable.23:49
Jiteninteresting. this window.show_all() (necessary to get me toolbar buttons to show) takes ~4 seconds of real time.23:49
suihkulokkiJiten: If you think it's too hard for you, then it probably is :)23:49
suihkulokkichallenge yourself ;P23:50
Jitensuihkulokki: I'm not thinking I can't do it. I'm just going to run out of interest if it takes weeks.23:50
sp3000seen doublec23:51
_Monkeydoublec was last seen on #maemo 1 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: hi timely_changelog [Sat Oct 20 22:26:33 2007]23:51
alteregoJiten, that sounds insane. You're either miss timing it or the python Gtk bindings are f*cked.23:51
gla55alterego: you can get a general feel of whats possible if you look at pages like , check the jsr's available for the device and skim through them23:51
alteregogla55, thanks :)23:51
alterego4 seconds of real time .. I can't believe that that's possible ..23:52
* sp3000 wonders if he happened to write up a howtobuild microb, seeing as it's "here's a two line doc, have a dozen gotchas"23:52
Jitenalterego: I'm guessing it's c-code it executes since cumulative time equals time in function.23:52
*** pdz has quit IRC23:52
alteregoIs that for a single show all?23:52
Jitenyes, single call23:52
alteregoNot in a loop? :)23:52
alteregoOr in the main loop? ^_^23:53
Jiten        1    3.896    3.896    3.896    3.896 {method 'show_all' of 'gtk.Widget' objects}23:53
alteregoHmm ..23:53
JitenI'm calling it once from my code.23:53
Jitencode that should only get called once23:53
alteregowindow#show_all ?23:53
Jitenyes, hildon.window23:53
alteregoWell .. I feel there's something wrong :/23:54
gla55alterego: no probs... it's sort of my job to be enthuastic about this shit23:55
alteregoIs that output from a python profiler?23:55
alteregogla55, I've been out-of-the-loop from phone tech for a while.23:55
alteregoThe last time I was kind of interested in it was with the 765023:55
gla55that was around the time i got intrested at all23:56
alteregoCoding for that .. It was so limited I just gave up and started getting drunk instead.23:56
Jitenalterego: I took the stats with python2.5 -m cProfile -o mnemosyne.py23:56
gla55very little memory on that one.. hampered the device badly23:56
*** philipl has quit IRC23:56
Jitenand I'm looking at them with pstats module with interactive python23:56
alteregogla55, yeah. I wouldn't have minded that so much if J2ME at the time had more stuff.23:57
alteregoI wrote a small game engine. It was so hacked.23:57
alteregoThat's what stopped me coding for phones :)23:57
*** pdz- has quit IRC23:57
alteregoThere were technologies on the horizon, on the J2ME front. But I couldn't be bothered to wait or afford to get a new phone everytime I wanted to code something, (I was a student at the time)23:58
*** doublec has joined #maemo23:58
alteregoJiten, have you tried profiling a test case? Like a Hildon::Window with a single label in it?23:59
Jitenno, I'm more interested in analysing the parts I can do something about right now.23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!