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| alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/LibOSSO-Documentation.html | 00:01 |
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| alterego | That is what I have so far. | 00:01 |
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| alterego | I'm not very happy with it. So I'll probably rewrite it at a later date. But it'll do as a starting point for people interested in Ruby-Maemo | 00:01 |
| alterego | When it's complete that is ;) | 00:02 |
| Jiten | speaking of which, I haven't yet done anything with libosso for my mnemosyne port. I think I read in the tutorials that it has some functions I should I use. | 00:03 |
| Tak | pretty good for a start | 00:04 |
| alterego | Jiten, to do what? | 00:04 |
| Jiten | integrate better into the system? | 00:04 |
| alterego | Yeah, you should at least register the application. | 00:04 |
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| alterego | Tak, I like the idea of having all the documentation on one page. That way people can save it onto their tablets and use it on the move without net access :) | 00:05 |
| Jiten | I'm finally done reorganizing my application so it doesn't do unnecessary display updates and uses object.idle_add for less time critical (and heavy) portions | 00:06 |
| Jiten | now, when I'm running it on my desktop, it feels like greased lightning. | 00:06 |
| pupnik_ | what is mnemosyne? | 00:06 |
| Jiten | http://mnemosyne-proj.sf.net/ | 00:06 |
| alterego | Who cares, it's got a cool name! | 00:07 |
| pupnik_ | neato | 00:07 |
| pupnik_ | Somebody should do a LPI certification set for it | 00:08 |
| Jiten | anyway, I still need to implement a couple of features and get my hands dirty plumbing the internals for a bit more efficient operation with regards to memory and cpu usage | 00:08 |
| Jiten | the damn thing keeps all data in memory. When you've got thousands of flashcards, it's rather heavyweight | 00:09 |
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| Jiten | pupnik_: you sure it's suited for that? | 00:10 |
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| Jiten | is sqlite a standard library on the device? | 00:10 |
| Jiten | ... doesn't look like python bindings have been ported though :/ | 00:12 |
| lmoura | Jiten, sqlite3 is supported by python2.5 | 00:12 |
| disq | sqlite3 is | 00:12 |
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| Jiten | it is? I didn't see a package for it. | 00:13 |
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| ertwroc | hi | 00:16 |
| Jiten | disq: where can I find the package with python bindings for sqlite3? | 00:16 |
| pupnik_ | repositories? | 00:17 |
| _Monkey | i guess repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 00:17 |
| disq | pymaemo? | 00:17 |
| disq | pymaemo.garage.maemo.org | 00:17 |
| Jiten | can't see sqlite there. | 00:18 |
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| ertwroc | I installed osso-xterm but when I am trying to run some programs like ldd I am getting: "sh: ldd: not found". I check file ldd is in /usr/bin. I am using N770 with OS 2006 | 00:21 |
| ertwroc | what is wrong? | 00:21 |
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| pupnik_ | same happens here ertwroc | 00:25 |
| pupnik_ | problem is that /usr/bin/ldd starts out with #!/bin/bash | 00:26 |
| pupnik_ | and there is no /bin/bash interpreter | 00:26 |
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| erstazi | wow, apple's iphone runs every app as root, maybe nokia should build the n900 into a great (open community) alternative | 00:27 |
| ertwroc | pupnik_: ln -s /bin/sh /bin/bash can help? | 00:28 |
| alterego | Eh? | 00:29 |
| pupnik_ | i did ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/bash (sh points to busybox) | 00:29 |
| pupnik_ | but it doesn't run | 00:29 |
| pupnik_ | ldd: applet not found | 00:29 |
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| Andy80 | where can I find aireplay-ng for maemo? | 00:31 |
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| ertwroc | pupnik_: on maemo downloads page is bash, but there is no link to download | 00:31 |
| ertwroc | someone is porting it? | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | ertwroc: looks like it's just a wrapper script - you can run /lib/ld-2.3.6.so -list /path/to/application | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | pardon me --list | 00:32 |
| erstazi | Andy80: honestly, it would be suggested to use a laptop for that type of thing, these tablets do not have enough processing power or ram to handle cracking | 00:32 |
| pupnik_ | that's what i thought too - but some people say they got results. i tried it at home but i had to copy several movies back and forth to get enough iv's | 00:33 |
| erstazi | Andy80: are you talking about: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/? | 00:34 |
| erstazi | I think there might be a port on there | 00:34 |
| Andy80 | erstazi: yes | 00:34 |
| Andy80 | erstazi: I've installed the aircrack-ng packages, but the aireplay-ng is missing | 00:34 |
| flip^ | i had it listed in my app manager once, so it must be on one of the repositories that are easily available | 00:34 |
| flip^ | ah, dunno about that | 00:34 |
| pupnik_ | ertwroc: did that /lib/ld*.so --list work for you? works here | 00:36 |
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| lardman | pupnik: busybox looks to see what it's been invoked as to decide what bit of itself to run | 00:36 |
| lardman | pupnik: is why the symlink may not work | 00:37 |
| pupnik | achka! | 00:37 |
| lardman | better way is to create a script called /bin/bash and have that invoke /bin/sh | 00:37 |
| lardman | I think anyway | 00:38 |
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| pupnik | ok changing ldd line one to #!/bin/sh gets rid of errors, but shows no output | 00:38 |
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| pupnik | i will just alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" | 00:40 |
| lardman | does the n800 have a magnet sensor in the front like the 770? | 00:41 |
| * lardman is reading the "What's the easter egg" thread on itt | 00:42 | |
| ertwroc | pupnik: I got error cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 00:43 |
| eijk | No ideas on my scratchbox desktop question? | 00:44 |
| ertwroc | pupnik: sorry - now works fine. thanks | 00:45 |
| lardman | eijk: no idea, I don't tend to run the i386 stuff at all | 00:45 |
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| lardman | night all | 00:47 |
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| ertwroc | ok, what should I do if after run ldd on some app I get: version GLIBC_2.0 not found? | 00:50 |
| zerojay | Let me guess... | 00:50 |
| zerojay | Old Loki game? | 00:50 |
| ertwroc | java vm | 00:50 |
| zerojay | GLIBC 2.0 is *old*. | 00:51 |
| zerojay | You probably have an outdated package. | 00:51 |
| ertwroc | hmm... I can't find another version | 00:52 |
| zerojay | How many of you played with the Microb version of Greasemonkey? | 00:52 |
| ertwroc | Do you know any java vm working on maemo? | 00:53 |
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| zerojay | JamVM. | 00:53 |
| zerojay | Might want to check out.. Jalimo. | 00:53 |
| ertwroc | any link? | 00:53 |
| zerojay | I think it's jalimo.org. | 00:54 |
| zerojay | Don't expect it to give you Java working in a web browser, however. | 00:55 |
| ertwroc | I need only to run console app | 00:55 |
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| zerojay | ertwroc: Should be all you need then. | 01:02 |
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| Ioagann | guys, does maemo support qt | 01:05 |
| Ioagann | ? | 01:05 |
| zerojay | Maemo is based on GTK. | 01:06 |
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| Ioagann | Guys, can one install perl on n800? | 01:14 |
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| luckie | ioagann: look here it talks about perl http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81917 | 01:21 |
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| Ioagann | Thank you! | 01:22 |
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| * Rask330 waves. "Does anyone know if there's a set of debian packages compiled for the processor in the n800, or does everything have to be ported?" o.o | 01:56 | |
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| Rask330 | I'm looking for a zip/unzip package that match... I found zip somewhere, but the unzip package in maemo.org's downloads section just installs a menu icon that doesn't do anything.. | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get install unzip | 02:01 |
| Rask330 | Isn't that the same as installing it in package manager, though? | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just open up xterm and get to unzipping, then. | 02:02 |
| Rask330 | Hmm. Is there a way to remove unwanted icons from the applications menu? :) | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, if you don't want the apps anymore, you can just uninstall them | 02:05 |
| Rask330 | True. But in unzip's case, it installs a useless icon... is there any way to at least hide it? | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other than that, open up Control Panel, go to Navigation and move the menu items around | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bury the stuff you don't want/use very often in a folder somewhere. | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm guessing you can remove the .desktop somehow | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't know A. Where it's located or B. Whether that could break things. | 02:06 |
| Rask330 | Hm... | 02:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody really ought to fix up the maemo wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo | 02:15 |
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| c0ffee | put a marker there that the article needs a clean-up | 02:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody got a diagram of the maemo stack? | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would the GNOME mobile picture from Quim's blog be close to accurate? | 02:20 |
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| Quinlan^ | What would be the main causes for a .deb package working on one 770, but not another? | 02:45 |
| Quinlan^ | I mean besides OS versions. | 02:45 |
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| Rask330 | Hmm. Has anyone successfully used the Stowaway Bluetooth Keyboard successfully with the N800? | 02:47 |
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| Jiten | Rask330: I remember someone saying he uses one... can't recall who it was though. | 02:48 |
| Rask330 | I've seen it mentioned that it's possible... but I'm wondering if it works right with the arrow keys and such. | 02:48 |
| Rask330 | That stuff can be tempermental-- at least it was on my Palm, before I got the N800. | 02:49 |
| Jiten | |R was the one. | 02:49 |
| Rask330 | Cool, thanks :) | 02:49 |
| Jiten | milhouse has also mentioned having one | 02:49 |
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| Jiten | #maemo.10-09.log:04:19 < |R> I got the stowaway ultra-slim, it's nice if you don't think you need a number row / F keys and can do with Fn for numbers :) | 02:50 |
| Rask330 | Cool. :] | 02:50 |
| |R | It's all my fault, i swear! :P | 02:51 |
| |R | you guies have good memories (i mean logs ;) | 02:51 |
| |R | guys | 02:52 |
| Jiten | :D | 02:52 |
| Jiten | logs are sometimes useful so I keep them. | 02:52 |
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| unique311 | seeing the bomberman post on maemo.org does this also mean that the screen on the n810 is multitouch? | 03:00 |
| zerojay | Doubt it. | 03:01 |
| unique311 | keyboard on the N810 makes no sense having those screen buttons | 03:01 |
| celesteh | but multitouch is inherently cool | 03:02 |
| unique311 | if the n810 had that going for it, i think it would be all over the thousands of post on it. | 03:03 |
| celesteh | indeed | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | it looks like balance of the device is good enough to allow easy holding/typing with thumbs | 03:04 |
| Quinlan^ | Im going to get one as soon as I can. | 03:05 |
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| unique311 | slide out is always cool..my pocket pc is a slide..and typing text messages on it rock. | 03:05 |
| unique311 | thats slide out keyboard is a + | 03:06 |
| unique311 | wonder what they going for with the next tablet. | 03:06 |
| unique311 | How long till a picture surface | 03:06 |
| unique311 | Quinlan^, sure you don't want to wait for the next release. | 03:07 |
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| unique311 | looks like nokia is putting them out quick now..after the 770 how long was it before the n800 came out? | 03:08 |
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| pupnik | ~1.5 years? | 03:10 |
| unique311 | n800 to n810 | 03:10 |
| Quinlan^ | unique: I still have a 770. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 was announced in November '05 | 03:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Shipped January, I think. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 was announced/shipped on January 8th 2006 | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, 2007 | 03:11 |
| Quinlan^ | So like a year and two months. | 03:12 |
| Quinlan^ | 3. | 03:12 |
| unique311 | should expect another tablet next year. | 03:13 |
| unique311 | the wimax version | 03:13 |
| unique311 | of the n810 | 03:14 |
| pupnik | I really just want a N8xx to build/test packages on | 03:15 |
| pupnik | Still happy with the 770 | 03:15 |
| unique311 | pupnik, you applied for that dev deal? | 03:15 |
| pupnik | yeah, along with the rest of the planet :) | 03:15 |
| unique311 | but you actually put in alot of work.. | 03:16 |
| pupnik | There's a lot more coming :) | 03:16 |
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| pupnik | Gotta package your pose stuff for 770 too | 03:17 |
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| pupnik | Funny how a lot of people got really active here since the N810 was announced :) | 03:17 |
| c0ffee | same when the n800 was announced | 03:18 |
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| c0ffee | lots of new projects started | 03:18 |
| zerojay | Any one else watching the ThoughtFix live show? | 03:18 |
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| unique311 | i just can't wait for the new OS2008...i could care less for anything else...gimme new OS | 03:18 |
| unique311 | now | 03:18 |
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| zerojay | Nice, Ctrl + N is still new window on the keyboard. :D | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Caught the first one, is he doing another now? | 03:19 |
| zerojay | Right now. | 03:19 |
| _Monkey | right now is the time when you can find ps2 full versions in the magazine shelves for a couple of bucks | 03:19 |
| unique311 | want to know how he manage to get the new toy... | 03:19 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thoughtfixs-live-show | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 03:20 |
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| unique311 | thats a cool link.. | 03:22 |
| unique311 | going to put that to use.. | 03:22 |
| |R | yeah, weird :) | 03:24 |
| pupnik | wish ustream had better bandwidth | 03:25 |
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| * pupnik loves the Thoughtfix N810 live shows :) | 03:27 | |
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| |R | why can't anyone chat? :( | 03:34 |
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| celesteh | |R, huh? | 03:34 |
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| |R | i mean, on thoughtfix's live show ;) | 03:35 |
| digilink | I just got an n800 and I want to get SSH working, but I cant pull my ip using ifconfig from an xterm? is there another method I can use to get the IP? and Im also assuming I can remotely log into this device? how would I create a user account if possible and enable root? | 03:36 |
| |R | digilink : openssh-server is installed yet? | 03:36 |
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| digilink | yes | 03:37 |
| |R | you're IP won't be of much use before that | 03:37 |
| |R | ok | 03:37 |
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| |R | then install xterm | 03:37 |
| digilink | got that also | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to register, |R | 03:37 |
| pupnik | wow i didn't know google had street views | 03:37 |
| |R | GeneralAntilles : ok :| | 03:37 |
| digilink | ifconfig comes back with command not found | 03:37 |
| |R | pupnik : yeah, they had a car in my town recently | 03:37 |
| Quinlan^ | digilink: I use a widget called iphome to find my IP. | 03:37 |
| |R | digilink : /sbin/ifconfig | 03:37 |
| _Monkey | i think /sbin/ifconfig is what i do | 03:37 |
| Quinlan^ | That works, too. | 03:38 |
| digilink | ahh crap I didnt think to try that ok | 03:38 |
| |R | the path is borked somehow ;) | 03:38 |
| Quinlan^ | You might want to move it to /bin... | 03:38 |
| celesteh | ooh, street views, cool | 03:38 |
| |R | uhm... just link it | 03:38 |
| celesteh | I once rented an apartment after looking at sctreet views around it | 03:39 |
| |R | just in case a script uses it somewhere at somepoint by calling it's full path | 03:39 |
| Quinlan^ | Oh. how would one link it? | 03:39 |
| celesteh | information which turned out to not be at all useful | 03:39 |
| |R | cd /bin; ln -s /sbin/ifconfig | 03:39 |
| Quinlan^ | Thanks. | 03:39 |
| digilink | ok Im able to hit it now that I have the IP, is there a default user account and how would I enable root? | 03:39 |
| |R | root / rootme | 03:40 |
| |R | then change it ;) | 03:40 |
| pupnik | Man, that dpad is lookin very small | 03:41 |
| digilink | sweet!!!! Im in tnx guys... this the coolest gadget I have ever bought, and best of all it runs linux!!!!!! | 03:41 |
| pupnik | congrats digilink - welcome to the club | 03:41 |
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| Rask330 | digilink: My sentiments exactly XD | 03:42 |
| zerojay | Six months later and it still hasn't worn off on me. | 03:42 |
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| digilink | Im amazed what this thing can do. I was showing my co-worker today and he was blown away with the FM radio after I enabled it | 03:42 |
| digilink | waaaaaay better than the iPod I replaced it with :D | 03:43 |
| Quinlan^ | heh | 03:43 |
| Quinlan^ | Are you planning on developing things? | 03:43 |
| zerojay | I got asked by two people on the bus to work today if what I had was an iPhone. | 03:43 |
| digilink | I'd like to take a stab at it, my coding skills are very weak though :( | 03:43 |
| digilink | Im going to look into installing the dev environment here soon | 03:43 |
| Quinlan^ | I think creating the actual .deb packages are harder. | 03:43 |
| SEWilco | My N800 stopped letting me download to external SD. "Save file" "OK" reply: "Not allowed". I'm not finding the meaning of "Not allowed" online. | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, "you see any black plastic here?" | 03:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably corrupted, SEWilco. | 03:44 |
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| pupnik | hahaha yaay Homestarrunner! | 03:44 |
| zerojay | hahaha. | 03:45 |
| zerojay | Awesome. | 03:45 |
| Quinlan^ | zaerojay: You ahould've said you were an Apple Executive and that you'd gotten version 2 of the iphone. | 03:46 |
| zerojay | Fuck that. | 03:46 |
| zerojay | iPhones still aren't on sale here anyways. | 03:46 |
| zerojay | Besides, I have something better. | 03:46 |
| Quinlan^ | That is true. | 03:46 |
| zerojay | Leaving in two minutes.. Guitar Hero 3 is almost done transfering to my PS2. ;) | 03:47 |
| zerojay | Let me know if TF does anything interesting. | 03:47 |
| zerojay | Well.. it's all interesting, but you know what I mean. | 03:48 |
| zerojay | Extra interesting. ;P | 03:48 |
| SEWilco | OK, I read about the flash OS fix. Barely. The cbx33 blog is unreadable with white-on-black; after fixing that I see I just need to update kernel. | 03:48 |
| SEWilco | I also notice that maemo.org tells me to to use an MS-Windows PC for update, but I don't have one of those. Nokia should support updates from Linux desktops. | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | They do. | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 03:49 |
| |R | wtf, i made an account on ustream.tv and it wouldn't let me login after ward it just loops :P | 03:50 |
| SEWilco | Good. Then someone needs to update http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, try the widget up at the top | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a particularly well programmed website. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | RECOMMENDED is different from supported. | 03:50 |
| |R | hehe | 03:51 |
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| pupnik | can you connect to ustream chat with normal irc? | 03:56 |
| pupnik | chat1.ustream.tv wants me to enter a pw with /pass, but there's no /pass command in irssi | 03:57 |
| pupnik | |R: i can't log into chat either | 03:57 |
| |R | :/ | 03:57 |
| pupnik | log out and log in again |R | 03:59 |
| |R | that's what i did... | 03:59 |
| |R | oh well :| | 04:00 |
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| |R | uhm, i just realised i can't sudo su - locally... anything i missed during the install? (i added an ALL ALL etc to sudoers...) | 04:02 |
| pupnik | ? sudo gainroot | 04:03 |
| |R | password denied... do i need to set a password for "user" ? | 04:03 |
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| pupnik | becomeroot? | 04:04 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 04:04 |
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| teprrr | hello, does anyone know if there's documentation available about what dbus calls the base installation has? | 04:04 |
| |R | ok yes, passwd user, i'm tired ;) | 04:06 |
| Quinlan^ | Can I totally format my 770 with flasher-2.0? Its pretty cluttered. | 04:07 |
| Quinlan^ | Er, re-format. | 04:09 |
| pupnik | yes | 04:09 |
| Quinlan^ | Awesome. | 04:10 |
| * |R still can't... wtf | 04:10 | |
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| pupnik | clicking on logout and then login | 04:14 |
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| |R | pupnik : i meant sudo su - | 04:15 |
| |R | hehe | 04:15 |
| |R | it works in ssh, but not in xterm on the n800... user has a password and sudoers is modified... weird | 04:16 |
| |R | ajahahaha | 04:17 |
| * |R slaps himself | 04:18 | |
| |R | i was sshing somewhere else (/me hides in shame ;) | 04:18 |
| |R | can anyone confirm that : | 04:20 |
| |R | grep user /etc/passwd | 04:20 |
| |R | user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 04:20 |
| |R | gives this? | 04:20 |
| |R | (by default, if anyone still has the default setup ;) | 04:20 |
| pupnik | this correct | 04:21 |
| |R | thanks :P | 04:22 |
| |R | now back to thoughtfix | 04:22 |
| |R | hehe | 04:22 |
| pupnik | well mine has a passwd instead of ! | 04:22 |
| pupnik | i gotta set up one-click installs this week | 04:23 |
| |R | weird, even with flashblock/adblock+ disabled, i can't login to ustream so i can't logout either hehe :) | 04:24 |
| |R | oh well, screw this, i'll just listen and shutup :P | 04:24 |
| pupnik | yah | 04:24 |
| pupnik | if you have a question i can paste it | 04:25 |
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| |R | k :) | 04:25 |
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| |R | weird...i can run both gizmo and rtcomm | 04:33 |
| |R | tough gizmo never really worked with SIP/asterisk | 04:34 |
| |R | th | 04:34 |
| pupnik | ah | 04:34 |
| |R | is there bluetooth headset support confirmed/denied yet? | 04:36 |
| |R | thanks :) | 04:36 |
| |R | hehe | 04:37 |
| * |R feels on like he is on the other end of a string can :P | 04:37 | |
| |R | s/on// | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Headset works on OS2008 | 04:37 |
| * pupnik downloads some ramen | 04:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think there's stereo, though. | 04:38 |
| |R | i don't mind, as long as i can get a bone conducting headset working in bars and my VoIP over a VPN i'll be happy :] | 04:38 |
| |R | free cell phone with ssh bonus :P | 04:38 |
| |R | so i need to start shopping for a bluetooth headset; ) | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plantronics Voyager 510 | 04:46 |
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| |R | GeneralAntilles : does it do active noise cancellation / bone conducting? | 04:53 |
| |R | i really want to be able to use this in bars | 04:53 |
| |R | (not dancing bars, more like pubs actually ;) | 04:54 |
| |R | because when i'm out, i'm mostly in pubs haha ;) | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't a clue. :) | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right | 04:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles is tired. | 04:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Noise cancellation, yes. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | No bone conducting | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need a bluetooth throat mic. | 04:55 |
| |R | ever did field tests of this sort? (you know, testing beers haha ;) | 04:55 |
| |R | haha :) | 04:55 |
| |R | eat-a-pill-headset | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never really use it in any high-noise environments. | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mindlink. ENGAGE! | 04:56 |
| |R | http://www.nxzen.com/headsets/nx6000_1.php <- beside the jawbone, i think it's the only other bone headset i found... | 04:57 |
| |R | both have quirks it seems... | 04:57 |
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| pupnik | btw anybody want to work on drpocketSNES ? | 05:20 |
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| * pupnik feels lonely in emu-land | 05:25 | |
| * GeneralAntilles tosses pupnik a box of old carts. | 05:28 | |
| pupnik | :} | 05:28 |
| pupnik | Istation handheld (linux) running psx emulator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dta8OsPYOD4 | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, pupnik, planning on getting an N800 anytime soon? | 05:30 |
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| pupnik | no | 05:33 |
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| * Esworp is impressed with Quiver. | 05:38 | |
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| doublec | apparently google mail supports imap now for selected accounts | 05:43 |
| doublec | so should work with the n800 mail app | 05:44 |
| doublec | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/23/gmail-gets-imap/ | 05:44 |
| _trent | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/23/gmail-gets-imap/ | 05:45 |
| _trent | oops | 05:45 |
| doublec | hehe | 05:47 |
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| |R | http://japwatches.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/citizen-i-virt-84-0321-84-0322-84-0323-84-0324-and-84-0311/ | 06:18 |
| |R | do you think these would work with rtcomm? :P | 06:18 |
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| hillct | Good evening | 06:56 |
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| hillct | I'm seeing a rather strange behavior. I had a 250MB SD card in mmc2 and purchased an 8GB HCSD card which i then placed in mmc2, moving the 250MB card to mmc1 but now whenever I try to write to either card, as root or user, it reports that they're read-only filesystems. I checked the read-only switch on the cards, and the fstab and mtab indicate they're mounted read-wrote | 06:59 |
| hillct | read-write | 06:59 |
| hillct | is this something folks have seen before? | 07:00 |
| zerojay | You damaged them. | 07:00 |
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| hillct | great | 07:00 |
| zerojay | It's not permanent. | 07:00 |
| hillct | reformat? | 07:00 |
| zerojay | Copy the files off the cards and reformat. | 07:00 |
| zerojay | It usually happens when the cards are being written to when removing them or turning off power. | 07:01 |
| hillct | is there an fdisk binary in there somewhere? | 07:01 |
| zerojay | The file manager can format them. | 07:01 |
| hillct | K | 07:01 |
| zerojay | Do you have the latest firmware? | 07:01 |
| zerojay | 4.2007-38-2, I think. | 07:01 |
| hillct | yes | 07:01 |
| zerojay | Do you pull your cards out and put them in a computer or attach the tablet by USB? | 07:02 |
| hillct | I selected 'switch off' before moving the cards around but I was shocked to find when I pushed the power button afterward, it popped right up with the lock screen rather than the normal boot process | 07:02 |
| hillct | nope | 07:02 |
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| zerojay | hmm.. weird. Did you have the tablet plugged in when you did that? | 07:03 |
| hillct | I have a USB SD interface but not for SDHC | 07:03 |
| hillct | yes | 07:03 |
| hillct | that was probably it | 07:03 |
| hillct | anyway, lemme see if I can get this squared away | 07:03 |
| hillct | one sec | 07:03 |
| zerojay | When you shutdown/restart with the tablet plugged in, it doesn't really go off.. it just disconnects from the net but stays on. | 07:04 |
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| hillct | cute | 07:06 |
| hillct | good to know | 07:06 |
| hillct | ok, so when I attempt to format, the SDHC card the options in the card menu are grayed out | 07:06 |
| hillct | when I attempt to format the SD card, it says can't format. card in use | 07:06 |
| hillct | the only app running is the file manager | 07:07 |
| zerojay | You'll have to format them in your PC then. | 07:07 |
| hillct | do I need to umount the cards? | 07:07 |
| hillct | great | 07:07 |
| zerojay | Or run fdisk on them. | 07:07 |
| hillct | gotta get an SDHC reader | 07:07 |
| hillct | hnn | 07:07 |
| hillct | hmm | 07:07 |
| hillct | will try that | 07:07 |
| zerojay | I don't think you need one for that. | 07:07 |
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| zerojay | But I could be wrong. | 07:08 |
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| hillct | the mounted devices are /dev/mmcblk1 which seems reasonable, but the other card has device /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 07:09 |
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| hillct | which seems odd | 07:09 |
| zerojay | Partitioned? | 07:10 |
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| hillct | that would be my guess | 07:14 |
| hillct | interesting. n800 fdisk doesn't have an interactive mode | 07:15 |
| hillct | it's single command line or bust | 07:15 |
| zerojay | Windows fdisk. | 07:15 |
| hillct | not for the SDHC card. no reader | 07:15 |
| hillct | er | 07:15 |
| hillct | wait | 07:15 |
| hillct | will the n800 act as a passthrough reader for installed cards? | 07:16 |
| hillct | that'd be SO cool | 07:16 |
| hillct | Usage: fdisk [-luv] [-C CYLINDERS] [-H HEADS] [-S SECTORS] [-b SSZ] DISK | 07:17 |
| hillct | is what's available in the built-in fdisk | 07:17 |
| |R | uhm, get a real fdisk? | 07:18 |
| |R | http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian/pool-armel/main/u/util-linux/fdisk-udeb_2.13-9_armel.udeb | 07:18 |
| |R | maybe this... | 07:18 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it maybe this is why the tablets don't have 'ping' | 07:18 |
| pupnik | or use a cardreader, or use PC to fdisk over usb | 07:18 |
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| hillct | pupnik: an SDHC card reader would make my life quite a bit easier right about now | 07:23 |
| |R | yep, if you extract the binary from that package (here it conflicts with sfdisk from ke-recv) | 07:23 |
| hillct | I don't have one | 07:23 |
| |R | just tried :) | 07:23 |
| * czr morningates all | 07:24 | |
| hillct | I was able to reformat the card in mmc1 after unmounting it | 07:24 |
| hillct | using the file manage menu item | 07:24 |
| hillct | though I didn't see a GUI way to umount | 07:24 |
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| hillct | now, while device is off, switching 8GB card to MMC1 to try anf format assuming it's a function of the 'removable' nature of cards in that slot | 07:25 |
| * |R thinks binutils, coreutils, debianutils, etc should be replacing busybox ;) | 07:25 | |
| |R | MMC1 being internal or external? here the device numbering is flipped with the mount point... (0 -> 2, 1 -> 1) | 07:26 |
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| hillct | 1 being external | 07:27 |
| hillct | LOL | 07:27 |
| hillct | actually, the reason was I was using swap on the 8G card' | 07:27 |
| hillct | duh | 07:28 |
| |R | hehe | 07:28 |
| |R | i had the same problem, now that you mention it ;) | 07:28 |
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| hillct | "BUT I WANT TO FORMAT THE SWAP DEVICE!!!!" | 07:30 |
| hillct | No. | 07:30 |
| hillct | "Please Please!!!" | 07:30 |
| hillct | I guess it's nice that it won't let you do stupid things like that | 07:31 |
| hillct | though you'd think it would setup a swap partition not a file | 07:31 |
| |R | sometimes i wish it did let me do stupid things haha;) | 07:32 |
| * |R erased it's /bin by error last week and should shut up :P | 07:32 | |
| hillct | tha's what red pill is for | 07:32 |
| * |R wonders if the Opportunistic Encryption thought in FreeS/Wan could be done un SSH new tunnel mode >:] | 07:33 | |
| |R | ssh for the people! | 07:33 |
| |R | :P | 07:33 |
| pupnik | Jack Daniels + Red Pill = regret | 07:34 |
| |R | haha | 07:34 |
| |R | i thought regrets = Jack Daniels | 07:34 |
| |R | that's a bad loop right there! | 07:34 |
| |R | :P | 07:34 |
| pupnik | Kind of like waking up in a strange bed and being afraid to look at who's sleeping next to you? | 07:34 |
| |R | haha | 07:35 |
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| |R | I hope that situation isn't a bad loop too ;) | 07:35 |
| czr | |R, it is. it just doesn't repeat all that often :-) | 07:35 |
| * limepi just got his n800 | 07:35 | |
| pupnik | congrats and welcome limepi | 07:36 |
| |R | hehe :) | 07:36 |
| czr | |R, and at some point you just get used to it :-) | 07:36 |
| |R | haha! | 07:36 |
| pupnik | i bet sales are picking up with the price drop | 07:36 |
| limepi | what is the canonical "you are new, here is how to make your thingy awesome" website | 07:36 |
| * |R looks around, fiew, no dead body ;) | 07:36 | |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26 that's one | 07:36 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ | 07:37 |
| hillct | There really should be a single getting started page that explains which repos have the coolest stuff and which packages are geek-critical | 07:39 |
| limepi | awesome :D | 07:39 |
| hillct | I'm still annoyed. I bought mine used on ebay, two days before the price drop | 07:41 |
| hillct | paid $10 more than I could then get a new one on buy.com for and ended up paying shipping too | 07:42 |
| pupnik | how is screen? also test stylus input with sketch app. | 07:43 |
| hillct | pupnik: Me? you mean used vs new? | 07:44 |
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| pupnik | yes i'd be worried about getting a dodgy screen if I bought used | 07:44 |
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| hillct | I had pics | 07:45 |
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| hillct | looked smudged | 07:45 |
| hillct | asked | 07:45 |
| hillct | said it was just fingerprints | 07:45 |
| hillct | which was true | 07:45 |
| hillct | cleaned up nicely | 07:45 |
| hillct | though, yes that'd be a big risk | 07:45 |
| pupnik | any problems tapping areas near the edges? | 07:45 |
| hillct | not that I've seen | 07:45 |
| pupnik | good deal | 07:45 |
| hillct | calibration works fine | 07:45 |
| hillct | thouh I didn't get some of the extra items that come with new | 07:46 |
| hillct | got only one stylus and no headset | 07:46 |
| pupnik | about 15% of the electronics i bought used on ebay had undocumented defects | 07:46 |
| hillct | I've been lucky | 07:46 |
| hillct | so far | 07:46 |
| hillct | although after adding this new 8GB card, it seems to be freezing up a bit | 07:47 |
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| hillct | It's a class 6 card. it should be pretty speedy | 07:47 |
| hillct | Kingston. Got it over at Adorama.com | 07:49 |
| hillct | $20 rebate | 07:49 |
| hillct | so around $55 after rebate | 07:50 |
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| pupnik | good. now get to work | 07:51 |
| pupnik | :P | 07:51 |
| |R | microSD 8GB are starting to show up | 07:53 |
| |R | (if you want to invest in futur proof cards at high price hehe ;) | 07:54 |
| * |R wants a 32GB SDHC for 100$ :| | 07:54 | |
| hillct | heh | 08:01 |
| Rask330 | Does the N800 read SDHC cards? | 08:01 |
| hillct | yup | 08:02 |
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| Rask330 | Hot. | 08:02 |
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| lopz | buenas noches | 08:11 |
| pupnik | muhuu | 08:12 |
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| unique311_ | How come flash sites cannot access the camera on the n800 | 09:07 |
| astro76 | maybe you have to right click on the flash, settings... and allow camera/microphone, because it's disabled by default | 09:11 |
| astro76 | on the pc | 09:11 |
| unique311_ | tried that | 09:13 |
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| unique311_ | flash can't seem to find the built in camera.. | 09:13 |
| unique311_ | trying to use it with blogtv... | 09:13 |
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| unique311_ | i think thoughtfix had a post about this a while back.. | 09:14 |
| unique311_ | for ustream.tv | 09:14 |
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| pupnik | anybody have a Command & Conquer 1 - Red Alert they can part with? | 09:16 |
| unique311_ | the mic is picked up.. | 09:17 |
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| dolske | unique311_: afaik Flash on Linux doesn't support any camera. | 09:27 |
| pupnik | want to test Command & Conquer unique311_ ? | 09:27 |
| pupnik | dolske: ? | 09:27 |
| pupnik | seems to kind of work, except on the device :) | 09:33 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: is it fast enough? | 09:40 |
| solmumaha | ah, how could you tell :) | 09:41 |
| solmumaha | that could actually be a game i would play | 09:41 |
| pupnik | runs in scratchbox - segfaults on device | 09:42 |
| czr | pupnik, there's an arm port of it? | 09:42 |
| pupnik | i have no idea what isn't implemented yet | 09:42 |
| pupnik | apparently combat? lol | 09:42 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/freera_armel_001.tgz | 09:43 |
| czr | who needs combat when you have tesla coils | 09:43 |
| czr | zzzzzzzzz... aaaargh. | 09:43 |
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| pupnik | mmap2(NULL, 61440, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x405f0000 | 09:47 |
| pupnik | brk(0x23e000) = 0x23e000 | 09:47 |
| pupnik | --- SIGSEGV | 09:48 |
| pupnik | doh | 09:48 |
| pupnik | why it want so much memory | 09:48 |
| solmumaha | so it could run on n800? | 09:49 |
| pupnik | yes i think so | 09:49 |
| solmumaha | k, need to test that when i get home | 09:49 |
| pupnik | ./freera -fullscreen -nosound -bpp 16 -w 640 -h 480 | 09:49 |
| solmumaha | if i can get the datafiles from somewhere | 09:50 |
| pupnik | i have included free data files for testing - but the author says it is broken with the demo | 09:50 |
| pupnik | but i was able to build stuff and move units | 09:51 |
| pupnik | wget ftp://ftp.westwood.com/pub/redalert/previews/demo/ra95demo.zip <-- full demo | 09:51 |
| pupnik | and it doesn't seem to use the right mouse button, which is real nice | 09:53 |
| solmumaha | maybe that seat belt would help run it on 770? | 09:53 |
| pupnik | heh what? | 09:53 |
| pupnik | seems to hang on instantiating the Game gsession; | 09:54 |
| solmumaha | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10317.html | 09:54 |
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| pupnik | hrm nope | 10:00 |
| solmumaha | :( | 10:01 |
| solmumaha | needs airbag then | 10:01 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:36 |
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| Jaffa | yay, feedback from people who have mediaserv working :-) | 11:42 |
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| keesj | Hi Jaffa | 11:42 |
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| solmumaha | was it positive? :) | 11:47 |
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| czr | any feedback for oss is great. nevermind positive or negative :-) | 11:51 |
| * czr still is waiting for first feedback for his oss-projects | 11:51 | |
| solmumaha | what are you working on? | 11:52 |
| czr | solmumaha, mainly system level stuff, not relating to maemo | 11:52 |
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| solmumaha | k, no feedback from me then | 11:53 |
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| czr | i.e., the projects aren't nearly enough sexy to be interesting to most folk :-) | 11:53 |
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| flip^ | czr: do you have a web page or anywhere to show off these projects? | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: largely, yes - obviously with issues since it's v0.01 | 11:56 |
| czr | flip^, my homepage contains links to most of the stuff ( http://koltsoff.com/ ). | 11:56 |
| czr | but all of the more completed thingies are on fm as well. | 11:57 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel | 12:01 |
| solmumaha | yes, i saw that | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | Still aiming for a different thing to knots, though | 12:02 |
| solmumaha | yes, there are differences | 12:03 |
| pupnik | yaay i 'convinced' a good game developer to buy a n800 | 12:06 |
| * flip^ peers at czr's site | 12:06 | |
| unique311 | pupnik, i hardly touch my tablet, unless something new is going on that interest me...sorry about last night...i passed out. | 12:07 |
| unique311 | not much into testing games anymore. | 12:08 |
| pupnik | np | 12:08 |
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| unique311 | How that transcoding server...you gave it a go? | 12:09 |
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| pupnik | no. will wait for a newer/better vlc and ffmpeg and just use knots for now | 12:10 |
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| czr | stupid question. is there a dsp-accelerated decoder for h.264 in n800? | 12:11 |
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| czr | (I don't have any test files to play with, otherwise I'd just try. and I'm mainly curious) | 12:12 |
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| L0cutus | re | 12:18 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: bah, I like shiny testers ;-) | 12:27 |
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| * pupnik is feeling sludgy today | 12:28 | |
| solmumaha | pupnik: vlc seems quite broken atm | 12:32 |
| solmumaha | crashes and playback is quite jerky with the same settings | 12:33 |
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| pupnik | ty | 12:33 |
| solmumaha | so i haven't done anything to knots lately, waiting for a new version of mplayer and a working vlc | 12:33 |
| solmumaha | and of course alteregos complete bindings | 12:34 |
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| Jiten | czr: I think h.264 was listed as hardware decoded format for n810. | 12:38 |
| czr | Jiten, great. thanks | 12:39 |
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| Jiten | don't trust my memory, go look it up :P | 12:40 |
| czr | nah, I rather blame you later :-) | 12:40 |
| alterego | :) | 12:40 |
| czr | it's not that important.. | 12:40 |
| czr | hey alterego | 12:40 |
| alterego | Hello | 12:43 |
| alterego | I'm doing a rather drastic rewrite of ruby-libosso. | 12:43 |
| czr | you're converting it into python-libosso bindings? | 12:44 |
| alterego | Hey | 12:44 |
| alterego | :P | 12:44 |
| czr | :-) | 12:44 |
| alterego | No, I don't like the Python libOSSO bindings. | 12:44 |
| alterego | The new API provdes 6 functions | 12:44 |
| alterego | run, system, add_callback, remove_callback, timeout, timeout= | 12:44 |
| alterego | This provides functionality for the whole RPC section. | 12:45 |
| czr | how do you handle errors and differentiate them from methods that return a simple string? | 12:45 |
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| alterego | Well, osso_return_t is checked and raises an exception unless it's OSSO_OK, if it's OSSO_OK the return RPC value is returned to the caller, if not then the return value which should be a string is used as the error message for the exception. | 12:46 |
| alterego | I wrote a function that converts RPC data types into Ruby objects. | 12:47 |
| alterego | And the other way around. | 12:47 |
| czr | and if the call is done async? | 12:47 |
| czr | or you don't support async calls? | 12:47 |
| alterego | Yes, I support async calls. | 12:47 |
| czr | so. then osso_return_t just tells that the launch succeeded | 12:47 |
| alterego | Hmm, I can't remember. Let me check. | 12:47 |
| czr | it tells nothing about errors that can happen later | 12:47 |
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| alterego | Well, again the osso_return_t is checked and will raise an exception if it's not OSSO_OK | 12:49 |
| czr | osso_return_t of what exactly? | 12:49 |
| alterego | The callback gets the return value so it's up the that code what happens. | 12:49 |
| alterego | The async call. | 12:49 |
| czr | yeah, as I said, it only returns the errors that can happen on launch | 12:49 |
| czr | not errors during the execution of the async call (later on) | 12:50 |
| czr | the callback gets the return value, correct. | 12:50 |
| alterego | Yeah .. That's not very handy .. | 12:50 |
| czr | now. how do you differentiate (from the return value) an error from a return value that is just a string. | 12:50 |
| alterego | You can't. | 12:50 |
| czr | this was my point :-) | 12:50 |
| czr | sorry for the long-winded .. winding. | 12:50 |
| alterego | Well, I could grep 'error' or something ;) | 12:50 |
| czr | indeed :-) | 12:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's not really a problem that I'm responsible for though is it :P | 12:51 |
| czr | it's not | 12:51 |
| czr | just wondered how you went along with it | 12:51 |
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| alterego | Yeah, that actually didn't occur to me at the time ^_^ | 12:51 |
| czr | now you know :-) | 12:51 |
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| czr | alterego, similar fun can be had with handling async returns of "void" | 12:54 |
| czr | although that's quite bearable. | 12:54 |
| czr | (returns of void: calling a method which returns void over D-Bus) | 12:54 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 12:55 |
| czr | but you still have to detect the error in that case. | 12:55 |
| czr | the whole interface in libosso for async is.. "limited" to put it in friendly terms. | 12:55 |
| czr | but I don't care. it's not really my problem either :-) | 12:55 |
| pupnik | i want a hardware countdown/watchdog timer i can poll on omap1710 and 2420 | 12:56 |
| alterego | Sure, but OSSO is more of a friendly wrapper for D-BUS, I don't think it's meant for serious D-BUS use. | 12:56 |
| alterego | It's more of a helper library than anything. | 12:56 |
| czr | alterego, I know.. :-) | 12:56 |
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| alterego | Not that I'm defending it. I don't like LibOSSO at all. | 12:57 |
| czr | I love it. it provided me oodles of fun and detective work during night time. | 12:57 |
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| alterego | Heh | 12:59 |
| * czr goes back to work | 12:59 | |
| czr | going without moving. :-) | 12:59 |
| alterego | I like how you can assign multiple callbacks for RPC services but you can only assign single callbacks to events you're interested in. | 12:59 |
| czr | alterego, yeah, it's the ultimate in flexibility :-) | 13:00 |
| alterego | Sorry, that was me being sarcastic. | 13:00 |
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| alterego | I'd like multiple callbacks supported everywhere :) | 13:00 |
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| czr | I saw your sarcasm, and answered with some of my own :-) | 13:01 |
| czr | ttyl | 13:01 |
| alterego | To make this point more clear. My API defines "set_callback" and "remove_callback" for single callbacks. And "add_callback" and "remove_callback" for the RPC multiple callback support. | 13:01 |
| alterego | See you :) | 13:02 |
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| Jiten | ah, right. sqlite3 is a standard part of python 2.5 | 13:22 |
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| mazzen | hi! i ported a nice :) programming language (pike) to maemo. everything works fine, but when i try to start a GTK example from the menu the "old" program launches. i copied the desktop file and changed the Exec entry. would anyone be so kinde and take a look? http://pastebin.com/m423fdac3 thanks! | 13:37 |
| inz | mazzen, remove the X-Osso-Service -line | 13:39 |
| mazzen | inz: thanks a lot! :-) it works now! :-) | 13:40 |
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| playya | hi everybody | 15:33 |
| playya | hi | 15:33 |
| celesteh | hi | 15:33 |
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| playya | any hast experience in gtk_expander_set_label_widget | 15:35 |
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| playya | i added a hbox with entry, check_botton an spin_button but they do not get any signals | 15:35 |
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| inz | playya, maybe you're supposed to put a label as the label for the expander? | 15:38 |
| inz | playya, the stuff "inside" the expander is added with gtk_container_add | 15:39 |
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| playya | i know that inz | 15:39 |
| playya | but i want to have it there | 15:40 |
| inz | Why? | 15:40 |
| playya | its an list of options | 15:40 |
| playya | devided in basic and extended | 15:40 |
| playya | you should see the basics by default and extended when expanded | 15:41 |
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| inz | I think you usually put the basics before the expander and then put something like "> Advanced" | 15:42 |
| playya | hmpf | 15:42 |
| playya | i saw this accesor an this was my first idea | 15:43 |
| playya | because there are datasets to configure | 15:43 |
| inz | Well, if the signals don't reach the "expander label", then I guess there's not much that can be done | 15:43 |
| playya | :( | 15:44 |
| playya | is it possible to make the arrow smaller? | 15:47 |
| playya | on the spinbox too | 15:47 |
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| jumpula | what was the url for maemo package search engine? | 16:13 |
| pupnik_ | repositories? | 16:13 |
| _Monkey | i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 16:13 |
| jumpula | some third party site listed all the nokia's repositories and most of the unofficial ones | 16:13 |
| jumpula | contained a search engine | 16:13 |
| jumpula | and you could sort packages based on release etc | 16:14 |
| pupnik_ | ... | 16:14 |
| jumpula | yeah, gronmeyer | 16:14 |
| jumpula | thanks | 16:14 |
| pupnik_ | yw :) | 16:14 |
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| civodul | any idea how to get Qemu (in Scratchbox) to dump cores? | 16:49 |
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| pupnik_ | Weasels ripped my flesh! | 17:12 |
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| celesteh | Zappa! | 17:12 |
| flip^ | pupnik_: did you do anything more with pingus? | 17:13 |
| pupnik_ | YES celesteh :) | 17:13 |
| pupnik_ | Pingus will be taken over by the pingus author :) | 17:13 |
| pupnik_ | he ordered a n800 :D | 17:13 |
| flip^ | ooh :) | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | Cool :) | 17:14 |
| pupnik_ | We're looking for ppl to do level-design in the next few days | 17:14 |
| pupnik_ | just fyi | 17:15 |
| deejoe | whoah. | 17:16 |
| deejoe | I really needed not to learn that pingus is or might be available for the n800 :-| | 17:16 |
| deejoe | I'm not sure I'll be able to help myself. | 17:17 |
| pupnik_ | give it a shot - http://pupnik.de/pingus.html | 17:17 |
| pupnik_ | it's kind of kludgy to install tho | 17:17 |
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| flip^ | pupnik_: you're still involved then? | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | well it don't run good on 770 so i'm not mucking with it any more | 17:31 |
| pupnik_ | it does ok if sound is disabled | 17:32 |
| keesj | pupnik_: http://pupnik.de/xkbd_iconify.gif << cool | 17:32 |
| keesj | the keyboard that is... | 17:33 |
| pupnik_ | yes i think i might have a workaround to pull it up from a fullscreen sdl app too | 17:33 |
| flip^ | pupnik_: that'll work in rdesktop? ;) | 17:33 |
| pupnik_ | should work fine | 17:34 |
| flip^ | ooh, cool | 17:34 |
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| deejoe | pupnik_: I am not afraid of dpkg -i. I am afraid of getting sucked down a black hole of gaming. :-) | 17:37 |
| DRoBeR | Who can help me to port openvpn to n800 OS 2007 ?? :S | 17:37 |
| pupnik_ | hehe | 17:37 |
| kulve | DRoBeR: try google. I think it's already done | 17:37 |
| ptman | DRoBeR: since it doesn't have a GUI (or does it) it should be a simple recompile | 17:37 |
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| DRoBeR | Thanks, kulve. I tried searching in maemo website. :) | 17:41 |
| DRoBeR | ptman, thanks too :) | 17:41 |
| alterego | the garage search feature is somewhat broken | 17:41 |
| alterego | Well, non-intuitive .. | 17:41 |
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| keesj | what's the compilter for 4.0? is it still 3.4? | 17:50 |
| alterego | It's the glibc2.5 versions | 17:53 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:57 |
| Solarion | still no maemo.org login. :( | 17:59 |
| keesj | alterego: what does gcc -v return? | 18:00 |
| alterego | Don't know. | 18:00 |
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| alterego | cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5 | 18:01 |
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| |R | anyone know how to search _for_ a minus sign on google? :P | 18:09 |
| zoran | what else after "-"? | 18:11 |
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| inz | keesj, 3.4.4 | 18:13 |
| TPC | |R, you can't | 18:15 |
| TPC | |R, you can bypass the - negative effect by putting it in quotes, like "-word" | 18:16 |
| TPC | but google ignores special characters like that anyway | 18:16 |
| keesj | inz thanks.. and BOO :P | 18:16 |
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| pupnik_ | when i search "-fullscreen" i get "fullscreen" results | 18:20 |
| pupnik_ | maybe a different engine will be better for that | 18:20 |
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| derf | Google treats - in quotes as a hypen and searches for variants both with and without the hypenation. | 18:21 |
| zoran | pupnik, do you in fact need flag sign> | 18:22 |
| derf | Which is, of course, completely stupid. | 18:22 |
| lopz | ~ $ sudo su - | 18:23 |
| lopz | sudo: unable to lookup "hostname" via gethostbyname() | 18:23 |
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| Ar-ras | hiho | 18:23 |
| lopz | helpme | 18:23 |
| derf | lopz: sudo gainroot | 18:23 |
| lopz | ~ $ sudo gainroot | 18:24 |
| derf | You may need to hack the gainroot script to not check to see fi you're in R&D mode. | 18:24 |
| lopz | sudo: unable to lookup "hostname" via gethostbyname() | 18:24 |
| zoran | lopz probably changed option in hostname file, but missed to change it in hosts | 18:24 |
| derf | Oh, well then I have no idea. | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google needs better quote behaviour | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I find its current behaviour absolutely infuriating. | 18:25 |
| derf | Google needs better behavior for non-alphanumeric characters in general. | 18:25 |
| derf | But, you know, good luck with that. | 18:25 |
| Ar-ras | does somebody ever thought about porting tomtom to n800? | 18:25 |
| Ar-ras | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10930 | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, well, since we don't have to sourcecode . . . no? | 18:27 |
| lopz | zoran, Any idea? | 18:28 |
| lardman | iirc it runs on the Zaurus | 18:28 |
| zoran | about what? | 18:28 |
| zoran | hostname could be set in hostname and the same name must be in host file for 127.0.0.1 | 18:28 |
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| Ar-ras | GeneralAntilles http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl | 18:28 |
| keesj | Updated: Sun, Oct 24th 2004 08:37 PDT (3 years, 0 months ago) | 18:29 |
| lopz | zoran, my problem, not login how root on x-term :S | 18:29 |
| Tak | you guys should totally switch to msn live search | 18:29 |
| * Tak snickers | 18:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, then, get to work Ar-ras. Looks like you've found yourself a project. | 18:29 |
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| zoran | lopz, you could follow good old "sudo gainroot" | 18:30 |
| flip^ | anyone know of anything that can record video with the n800 camera? | 18:30 |
| Ar-ras | GeneralAntilles haha you are so funny like a clown, are you a clown GeneralAntilles ? | 18:30 |
| zoran | lopz, you have xterm and openssh installed? | 18:30 |
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| lopz | zoran, yes | 18:30 |
| zoran | cool | 18:30 |
| zoran | so, you have to change file called "gainroot" first | 18:31 |
| zoran | in line it should be: | 18:31 |
| zoran | MODE+enabled # | 18:31 |
| zoran | MODE=enabled # | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | What, you found something that hasn't been ported. The tools are sitting there ready to be used. Why not learn something and start porting? The worst you can do is fail. :\ | 18:31 |
| zoran | the second one! | 18:31 |
| _Monkey | the second one is, like, an ext2 as root | 18:31 |
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| Ar-ras | GeneralAntilles shut up,ok? | 18:32 |
| lopz | zoran, via ssh -> http://rafb.net/p/sFUcmW17.html | 18:32 |
| zoran | lopz, if I misguided you, first you have to do: | 18:32 |
| zoran | ssh root@localhost | 18:32 |
| zoran | pass is rootme or something | 18:32 |
| lopz | N800 since I can not, and I get that message | 18:33 |
| lopz | zoran, not, no pass is other | 18:33 |
| lopz | s/no/my | 18:33 |
| zoran | k | 18:33 |
| zoran | just ssh to it and change gainroot file | 18:33 |
| zoran | or install becomeroot, if I recall well | 18:33 |
| zoran | I never did it | 18:34 |
| |R | TPC : uhm okay :) | 18:35 |
| * |R is going back to altavista ;P | 18:36 | |
| lopz | zoran, He followed this tutorial http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot/ | 18:36 |
| lopz | is correct ? | 18:36 |
| zoran | lemme c | 18:36 |
| solmumaha | pupnik_: it works! | 18:37 |
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| zoran | lopz, hm, not exactly | 18:37 |
| lopz | :( | 18:38 |
| zoran | I saw wone where the MODE line is changed to: | 18:38 |
| zoran | MODE = enable #, with space after enable | 18:38 |
| alterego | Anyone have a test example for osso_statusbar_send_event ? | 18:38 |
| zoran | I did that and works on 770 | 18:38 |
| pupnik_ | solmumaha: freeRA command&conquer? | 18:39 |
| solmumaha | yes | 18:39 |
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| pupnik_ | sound too? | 18:39 |
| solmumaha | solid 18 fps | 18:39 |
| pupnik_ | damn | 18:39 |
| solmumaha | didn't try that | 18:39 |
| alterego | That sounds fun .. | 18:39 |
| pupnik_ | Well i can test it in scratchbox i guess | 18:40 |
| pupnik_ | I don't know what's missing from the engine yet | 18:40 |
| solmumaha | sound works, but makes it very slow | 18:40 |
| lopz | zoran, http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ <- He followed this tutorial :D | 18:40 |
| zoran | sec | 18:41 |
| robtaylor | don't suppose anyone knows offhand the blocksize for the initfs mtd? | 18:41 |
| zoran | lopz, yes | 18:41 |
| zoran | just that! | 18:41 |
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| lopz | zoran, my /usr/sbin/gainroot -> http://rafb.net/p/UmAoHn84.html | 18:42 |
| zoran | lopz, and I used openssh, since I needed both versions 1 and 2 for connection | 18:42 |
| zoran | it is needed gainroot file | 18:42 |
| lopz | Still the same problem: ( | 18:42 |
| zoran | ssh -r now | 18:43 |
| zoran | no, shutdown -r now | 18:43 |
| zoran | and "sudo gainroot" | 18:43 |
| |R | haha ssh -r now! : look at the internet, it's rebooting! | 18:43 |
| zoran | :) | 18:43 |
| * |R sees millions of dist-upgrading admins crying for having squashed their config since the last reboot ... | 18:44 | |
| |R | hehe | 18:44 |
| zoran | the man in on the device | 18:44 |
| zoran | I like ssh to have a touch from desktop, to tweak it on normal keyboard | 18:45 |
| |R | it would be a pain otherwise :| | 18:45 |
| zoran | yep | 18:45 |
| zoran | but fun | 18:45 |
| zoran | sudoers could be changed anyway | 18:46 |
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| zoran | lopz, news? | 18:48 |
| lopz | zoran, bad news -> http://rafb.net/p/VKt3av22.html | 18:49 |
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| zoran | lopz, will you do this: | 18:50 |
| zoran | cat /etc/hostname | 18:51 |
| zoran | cat /etc/hosts | 18:51 |
| cosmo | anyone used osso-log logging? is there any documentation about it anywhere? | 18:51 |
| zoran | your box is BlackTux | 18:51 |
| zoran | put it in /etc/hosts | 18:51 |
| lopz | yes | 18:51 |
| zoran | 127.0.0.1 BlackTux localhost | 18:52 |
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| inz | cosmo, what of it? | 18:52 |
| cosmo | inz: how to enable it and where does the log go? | 18:53 |
| lopz | zoran, http://rafb.net/p/18dSQf96.html any idea ? | 18:53 |
| zoran | sec | 18:53 |
| cosmo | i haven't found any documentation except the header file | 18:53 |
| zoran | could you name names shorter? | 18:53 |
| inz | cosmo, well, there are a few compile time macros that need to be defined for the U_LOG and D_LOG -macros to do anything | 18:54 |
| lopz | zoran, yes | 18:54 |
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| inz | cosmo, they're documented at the start of osso-log.h | 18:54 |
| zoran | lopz, change the line in /etc/hosts: | 18:54 |
| zoran | 127.0.0.1 BlackTux localhost | 18:54 |
| inz | cosmo, the device doesn't actually have syslog (I think), so syslog logging doesn't really do anything | 18:54 |
| zoran | ssh root@localhost | 18:55 |
| inz | cosmo, and stderr/stdout logging only helps, if you run the programs from xterm | 18:55 |
| cosmo | inz: does osso-log support syslog? i thinki syslog can be installed on device. | 18:55 |
| cosmo | stdout/err is not very useful for daemons etc, so i'd prefer syslog | 18:56 |
| inz | cosmo, by default it logs to syslog (i.e. if you only define DEBUG or OSSOLOG_COMPILE) | 18:56 |
| inz | cosmo, for daemons you should use the DLOG_ -functions, starting with DLOG_OPEN("appname"); | 18:57 |
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| zoran | huh, trolltech droped greenphone | 18:57 |
| cosmo | inz: ok thanks for this info. someone should write a wiki page or something about it.. | 18:57 |
| Jiten | zoran: yeah, no sense in a phone like that when other phones are coming to market that can be used for that. Selling phones isn't Trolltech's business after all. | 18:58 |
| sciboy | Hey, my wifi access is rather spotty and I have a few forum threads I'd like to read while I'm waiting around, any recommendations on how to do offline browsing? | 18:58 |
| sciboy | I'm on Debian. | 18:59 |
| zoran | Joten, it is the same heap like in openmoko | 18:59 |
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| Jiten | heap? | 19:00 |
| zoran | but openmoko will be about $450 | 19:00 |
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| Jiten | sciboy: open the pages in advance? | 19:00 |
| sciboy | Jiten, Can't keep them open, and in many cases we're talking about 100's of pages. | 19:01 |
| zoran | sciboy could download them all and save them | 19:01 |
| zoran | why is the connection spotty? | 19:01 |
| sciboy | zoran, Doing so manually would be pretty tedious. =P | 19:01 |
| Jiten | but web forums really aren't designed to be read without a good connection :) | 19:01 |
| sciboy | Only in range of the wifi 5% of the time. | 19:02 |
| zoran | ah, you need perl to help you | 19:02 |
| zoran | wi-fi moves? | 19:02 |
| Jiten | maybe you're lucky and the forum software allows you to open the pages with lots of comments at once | 19:02 |
| lopz | zoran, http://rafb.net/p/38PWfB80.html, thanks! :) | 19:02 |
| sciboy | No, my N800 sure as heck does. | 19:02 |
| sciboy | Jiten, 60 per-page maximum. | 19:02 |
| zoran | lopz, \o/ | 19:03 |
| lopz | zoran, o/ | 19:03 |
| Jiten | sciboy: save a few of those and that should keep you busy for a while. | 19:03 |
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| sciboy | Plus the N800 would shit itself trying to open something that large if it was compiled into one page. | 19:03 |
| Jiten | then you're out of luck I guess | 19:03 |
| sciboy | Jiten, Not really, it's mostly visual. | 19:03 |
| zoran | sciboy, you said debian. not n800 | 19:04 |
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| sciboy | Because I assumed the solution would most likely involve my desktop | 19:04 |
| zoran | sciboy, how are those pages named? | 19:05 |
| Jiten | well, yeah, you can always look for some way to load them in advance by scripting | 19:05 |
| zoran | make a loop and wget them | 19:05 |
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| zoran | or fetch | 19:06 |
| Jiten | forum type websites are common enough that there really ought to be a common protocol they could all use with software that supports it. | 19:06 |
| zoran | my question is why sciboy cannot manage wifi to be permanent | 19:07 |
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| sciboy | Because I move a lot, and even in my house we have thick walls that kills reception pretty quickly. | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Spend the money on a 2nd router. :) | 19:08 |
| zoran | what router, btw? | 19:09 |
| zoran | and why do you move to much? | 19:09 |
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| sciboy | Because portability was the whole reason I got an N800, I like to work outdoors. | 19:11 |
| zoran | ah | 19:11 |
| zoran | what router? | 19:11 |
| _Monkey | router is at .1 | 19:11 |
| sciboy | Beats me, reception drops out before it reaches my room. | 19:12 |
| zoran | what router? | 19:12 |
| _Monkey | router is at .1 | 19:12 |
| sciboy | Beats me, reception drops out before it reaches my room. | 19:13 |
| zoran | :) | 19:13 |
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| * czr peeks | 19:17 | |
| czr | internet is in a loop? :-) | 19:17 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:18 |
| alterego | It's like that episode of Red Dwarf "White Hole". | 19:18 |
| Tak | that'll teach it not to use an iterator | 19:18 |
| alterego | "So, what is it?" ^)^ | 19:18 |
| * czr has yet to see even the first episode of red dwarf | 19:18 | |
| alterego | No! | 19:19 |
| alterego | :) | 19:19 |
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| czr | no? no is not an answer :-) | 19:19 |
| alterego | You should watch it. | 19:19 |
| alterego | It's really good :) | 19:19 |
| czr | nevermind not being a statement or even a question :-) | 19:19 |
| czr | so I hear. somehow I've managed to dodge it | 19:19 |
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| sciboy | Okay, trying to download the thread using HTTrack | 19:19 |
| sciboy | It's upto 10mb already. | 19:19 |
| zoran | ascii? | 19:20 |
| sciboy | Nope, mostly images. | 19:20 |
| zoran | interesting that symbian does not include nokia 6120 as symbian phone | 19:22 |
| czr | maybe they had a bad day | 19:22 |
| zoran | nokia or symbian? | 19:22 |
| czr | neither is exclusive of the other I'm sure :-) | 19:23 |
| sciboy | The download is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs. | 19:23 |
| Tak | hooray! | 19:24 |
| zoran | someone has 6120? | 19:24 |
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| * czr looks at the number of localization related mails on the devel-list | 19:25 | |
| czr | argh. | 19:25 |
| sciboy | Oh shiz | 19:26 |
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| * mgedmin has a nokia 6125 which definitely isn't a symbian phone | 19:29 | |
| zoran | mgedmin, does not looks as the similar product, this one is called classic | 19:29 |
| RobAtWork | so I just discovered I have both wirelesstools and wireless-tools installed | 19:30 |
| zoran | cool | 19:30 |
| RobAtWork | does one supersede the other, or are they separate packages | 19:30 |
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| L0cutus | [18:24] <zoran> someone has 6120? | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | a friend of mine | 19:32 |
| zoran | worth to buy? | 19:32 |
| zoran | the more I read, the less I know | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | it is perfect to use with his n800 :) | 19:32 |
| L0cutus | hsdpa | 19:32 |
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| zoran | L0cutus, I had the similar idea | 19:35 |
| zoran | one issue makes me reluctant | 19:36 |
| L0cutus | in Italy it cost 199€ no-lock | 19:36 |
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| zoran | I found reports about overheating | 19:36 |
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| zoran | people, not all, say it burns after minute or five | 19:36 |
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| L0cutus | lol | 19:37 |
| zoran | L0cutus, the price sounds acout the same here | 19:37 |
| L0cutus | i'll ask my friend if you want | 19:37 |
| zoran | yes, please | 19:37 |
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| L0cutus | now it is not online :( | 19:37 |
| zoran | it is made in Hungary | 19:37 |
| zoran | k, no hurry | 19:37 |
| zoran | I look and make decision not so fast | 19:38 |
| L0cutus | i think i'll see it this tonight on irc | 19:38 |
| zoran | tomorrow is fine, just as the next week and... | 19:38 |
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| * zoran gone to talk to dragons about fire security | 19:41 | |
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| alterego | Yes, you would think they'd be pretty up on that subject. | 19:57 |
| DRoBeR | ptman, I finally installed the OpenVPN in my n800. :) ¡Cool! Now I can start to use it outside ^_^ | 19:58 |
| alterego | solmumaha, you fancy testing a libosso package for me in about an hour? | 19:58 |
| DRoBeR | Salve, alterego. | 19:58 |
| alterego | Not finished the documentation but I'm half way through writing a large example. | 19:58 |
| alterego | Aloha | 19:59 |
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| DRoBeR | "Ave, n800. moNituri te salutant." | 20:00 |
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| DRoBeR | I want to say this at an 810 x) | 20:01 |
| alterego | Hmm, I should probably take a break soon actually. | 20:02 |
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| czr | alterego, writing examples is fun :-) | 20:09 |
| alterego | Yeah, I got bored of the documentation. | 20:09 |
| czr | I was being ironic :-) | 20:10 |
| alterego | I figure it's best for me to _at_least_ have some well commented working examples for people to check out. | 20:10 |
| Tak | IRONY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED | 20:10 |
| alterego | So I'm doing them in a kind of mini-tutorial fashion. | 20:10 |
| czr | indeed it is | 20:10 |
| czr | Tak, caps will? :-) | 20:10 |
| alterego | I'll stall the API until I have more free time. | 20:10 |
| czr | alterego, you mean you got it stabilized now? ;-) | 20:11 |
| alterego | And more of an idea of how I want the API to be formatted and stored :/ | 20:11 |
| czr | i.e., you're ready to release the final version ;-) | 20:11 |
| alterego | I'm very close. | 20:11 |
| czr | nothing is as permanent as temporary glue | 20:11 |
| alterego | The only thing that's really stalled me is documentation and rewriting LibOSSO extension. | 20:11 |
| alterego | And work. | 20:11 |
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| alterego | I'd rather be doing this than working, but unfortunately it doesn't pay the bills ;) | 20:12 |
| czr | work is keeping me from doing fun stuff as well :-) | 20:12 |
| alterego | :) | 20:12 |
| Tak | thirded | 20:12 |
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| Q1 | Hi - did anyone compile the truecrypt package for the N8x0 ? | 20:16 |
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| Tak | disq: does maemoscrobbler handle love/ban/tags/etc ? | 20:21 |
| disq | no | 20:21 |
| Tak | I see. | 20:21 |
| disq | those are only applicable for last.fm radio anyways | 20:21 |
| Tak | plans? :-) | 20:21 |
| disq | no. | 20:21 |
| Tak | oh, really? you can't love a track you're playing locally? | 20:22 |
| disq | the only plan is to upgrade the protocol version from 1.1 to 1.2 | 20:22 |
| disq | according to the protocol, you can't (last i checked :) ) | 20:22 |
| Tak | hmm, ok | 20:22 |
| czr | no love for you tak. | 20:23 |
| * Tak => suicide | 20:24 | |
| czr | otoh, no ban either. so it's a win/lose-situation :-) | 20:24 |
| czr | those tend to balance out quite nicely in the end, so I wouldn't worry too much | 20:24 |
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| disq | :) | 20:43 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: what do you want me to test? | 21:18 |
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| procto | does anyone know where the search engine home applet stores its search engine listing? | 21:19 |
| procto | I can't find it | 21:19 |
| alterego | Just the library. | 21:19 |
| alterego | Have a play with it. | 21:19 |
| alterego | Tell me what you think of the API. | 21:19 |
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| procto | anyone? | 21:30 |
| procto | is it compiled in? | 21:30 |
| alterego | Probably in some SQLite database somewhere. But I don't really know. | 21:31 |
| procto | ah | 21:31 |
| procto | hm | 21:31 |
| procto | what extension do those usually have? | 21:31 |
| alterego | Well, they don't. | 21:32 |
| alterego | Sometimes .sqlite3 | 21:32 |
| |R | http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/magazine/test2007/st_essay | 21:32 |
| alterego | Sometimes .db | 21:32 |
| procto | that's what I was afraid of | 21:32 |
| alterego | Sometimes nothing at all. | 21:32 |
| procto | looked for both | 21:32 |
| procto | in the /usr/ hierarchy? | 21:32 |
| alterego | Doubt it. | 21:32 |
| alterego | Probably in var | 21:32 |
| procto | there aren't any redable strings inside the .so for the applet | 21:33 |
| alterego | Maybe etc | 21:33 |
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| alterego | Could possible even be in tmp | 21:33 |
| procto | got it! | 21:34 |
| alterego | But like I said, I don't know. :) | 21:34 |
| procto | I found the dpkg info for the package | 21:34 |
| procto | it's at /usr/share/mis/ | 21:34 |
| alterego | Groovy | 21:34 |
| procto | there are just xml files there | 21:34 |
| procto | now I can add search engines to it | 21:35 |
| procto | and make it more useful than just google and wikipedia! | 21:35 |
| procto | hurrah! | 21:35 |
| alterego | Just read the files | 21:35 |
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| procto | yeah | 21:37 |
| procto | I think it uses the same format that firefox search does | 21:37 |
| procto | checking now | 21:37 |
| procto | poo, it's not | 21:40 |
| procto | I can live with that | 21:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, if I want to set up the up/down keys on the d-pad to page up/down in the browser, would there be any way to set up the right or left direction as show/hide toolbar? | 21:50 |
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| maximCT | |R: you there? ... we chatted the other day about ssh -w and vpn ... just wanted to report that this is working for me with rtcomm ... | 21:52 |
| |R | wooohoo | 21:53 |
| |R | maximCT : can you describe what you did? | 21:53 |
| maximCT | sure... | 21:53 |
| |R | maximCT : i'm having a weird fuck-up here... | 21:53 |
| maximCT | ssh -w any:any <mylinuxmachineathome> | 21:53 |
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| |R | if i tunnel to some machine, setup 2 ips (ifconfig x pointopoint y, and the reverse on the other one) | 21:53 |
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| |R | and then ping over the tunnel it works, but ping -f will kill the tunnel within a minute | 21:54 |
| |R | so i didn't try on the n800 yet... | 21:54 |
| maximCT | I start the ssh on the N800 ... | 21:54 |
| maximCT | then I ifconfig the 2 tunnel interfaces... | 21:54 |
| maximCT | and add default route on the N800 ... | 21:54 |
| maximCT | that's pretty much it... | 21:54 |
| |R | ok | 21:54 |
| maximCT | I noticed though that if I try this with a OpenBSD machine at home it's not working | 21:55 |
| |R | uhm :| | 21:55 |
| maximCT | but with my Fedora Linux box it does... | 21:55 |
| |R | what's not working? | 21:55 |
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| |R | the tun0 doesn't exist? | 21:55 |
| maximCT | ah.. wait a sec... no .. that's unrelated... I run packet filter on OpenBSD and came to the conclusion that the filter screws it... | 21:56 |
| maximCT | without poking too many holes into the firewall ... so ignore that last comment I've made. | 21:56 |
| |R | let's say the tunnel is on 10.* and home is on 192.168.* ... do you need to have special routing / forward / NAT on the home-box? :) | 21:56 |
| |R | if you have 2 linux machines near by without any iptables... i'd be curious to know what you get from: | 21:57 |
| |R | ssh -w any:any machine 2 | 21:57 |
| maximCT | well .. I have static IP's at home and use binat on the firewall ... | 21:57 |
| |R | ifconfig tun0 10.0.0.2 pointopoint 10.0.0.3 (on machine 1 let's say) | 21:57 |
| |R | reverse on 2 | 21:57 |
| |R | and then ping -f 10.0.0.2 from 2 or the reverse | 21:57 |
| |R | after around a minute, it dies here, from many pairs of machines, i wonder why | 21:57 |
| maximCT | just doing the ping -f ... | 21:58 |
| |R | ok, let it run for a while | 21:58 |
| |R | do a watch ifconfig on one of the machines | 21:58 |
| |R | or look at a CPU meter hehe | 21:58 |
| |R | at some point, it just stops her | 21:59 |
| |R | here | 21:59 |
| maximCT | I see nothing unusual | 21:59 |
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| |R | i was toying with tunnel routing yesterday... machine 1 <-> 2 <-> 3 <-> n800 ... and i get pretty weird results... | 22:00 |
| |R | let me try again ;) | 22:00 |
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| |R | argh... it lasts 15 seconds and dies... | 22:03 |
| |R | after that, the ...... in ping becomes EEEEEEEE | 22:04 |
| |R | but i never get, in ifconfig tun0, any errors, dropped, overruns, collisions or frame / carrier... | 22:05 |
| maximCT | |R: just stopped my ping -f ... no problems... | 22:05 |
| czr | it's sending consecutive Evil bits? | 22:05 |
| maximCT | but have to hop on a conference call now... | 22:05 |
| |R | ok, ttyl :) | 22:05 |
| maximCT | |R: I want to put some nice scripts around that though ... so once I have that perhaps I can publish them somewhere. | 22:05 |
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| |R | maximCT : same here, i just wish i could understand the fuck up i have :| | 22:06 |
| maximCT | |R: in the meantime you might want to compare versions of ssh and sshd... | 22:06 |
| |R | they're all 4.6p1-Debian5* (either n800, debian unstabl or ubuntu gutsy!) | 22:07 |
| czr | |R, tun0 is not a physical ethernet device, so you will never see ethernet-level error statistics on it | 22:08 |
| |R | all kernels are 2.6.22 or later | 22:08 |
| czr | you should check the sw that is connected to tun0 | 22:09 |
| |R | czr : good to know ! but then, let me get tcpdump out ;) | 22:09 |
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| |R | aurhm... | 22:16 |
| |R | it really just dies, i see my echo request / reply and it just stops | 22:17 |
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| Tak | alterego: did you mention something about treeview being broken on the devices? | 22:25 |
| alterego | Tak, it is yeah. | 22:25 |
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| Tak | like...spontaneous segfaults broken? | 22:27 |
| alterego | Erm, no. | 22:27 |
| alterego | Like, it doesn't render the expand collapse triangles. | 22:27 |
| Tak | hm | 22:28 |
| Tak | then I have larger problems | 22:28 |
| alterego | Are you working in C? | 22:28 |
| Tak | ruby | 22:31 |
| alterego | Hmmm. | 22:31 |
| |R | maximCT : uhm, i just did an scp transfer of 1.5G over the tunnel and it worked, but 15 secs of ping -f forces me to quit ssh and ssh -w back in again :| | 22:31 |
| czr | alterego, you found a friend! | 22:31 |
| alterego | May I see the source? | 22:31 |
| * czr leads alterego to the source | 22:31 | |
| alterego | With the exception of the rendering problem I've not had a problem. | 22:31 |
| Tak | this is a gtk+ app that works fine on a pc, though | 22:32 |
| alterego | Ah. | 22:32 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 22:32 |
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| |R | maximCT : wtf, now i have both ends on ping -f and it won't die...! | 22:34 |
| alterego | Hmm, | 22:38 |
| * alterego wonders if 1405 lines of code is productive for a full days work. | 22:39 | |
| alterego | I'm feeling a bit ill today. Got a really bad throat and kind of shakey. | 22:41 |
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| solmumaha | try rum | 22:42 |
| alterego | Probably time I stopped sleeping with the window open. | 22:44 |
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| Tak | hmm - it looks like my app is crashing because it's expecting sane behavior from the treeview | 22:56 |
| alterego | What kind of behaviour? | 22:59 |
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| alterego | The treeview is out of my scope :/ | 22:59 |
| alterego | Gtk bindings are done by the ruby-gnome2 project. | 22:59 |
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| Tak | I know it's not you; no worries | 23:09 |
| Tak | I'm pretty sure it's a gtk->maemo issue, not a ruby->ruby-maemo issue | 23:10 |
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| alterego | Well, let me know how you get on. I've personally used TreeView and I've not had any issues (except the nasty rendering problem). | 23:16 |
| Tak | hm | 23:16 |
| alterego | Which has something to do with the hacked Gtk in Maemo. | 23:16 |
| alterego | Hopefully fixed in OS2008 :) | 23:17 |
| Tak | for one thing, it's not selecting my leaves programmatically | 23:17 |
| alterego | :/ | 23:17 |
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| alterego | I seem to be doing a lot better writing documentation in plain text. | 23:43 |
| alterego | I probably should have done this before and marked it up later .. | 23:43 |
| disq | plain text documentation rules | 23:43 |
| alterego | It's more fun. | 23:44 |
| disq | I even use some ascii art for outlining (a "-" or "+" before each item in a list, etc) | 23:44 |
| alterego | :) | 23:45 |
| alterego | I'm using '*' ;) | 23:45 |
| alterego | I normally use '-' for my notes.. | 23:45 |
| alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/draft-libosso.txt | 23:46 |
| alterego | I just did all that in about 15 minutes. | 23:47 |
| disq | ooh. pretty | 23:47 |
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| Tak | hah @ coolbacks | 23:48 |
| alterego | I think the only thing marking it up would do is add the ability to easily navigate through it and to other documents. | 23:48 |
| alterego | :) I'm about to write that section. | 23:48 |
| alterego | The API is pretty large. | 23:48 |
| disq | what is your preferred monospace font? | 23:49 |
| disq | i love fixedsys. not ashamed of it | 23:49 |
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| alterego | I'm using "Fixed" | 23:49 |
| alterego | Fixed->SemiCondensed 9pt | 23:50 |
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| alterego | I think that's the same as you as I can't see a "Fixedsys" in my font list :) | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Monaco. >_> | 23:51 |
| alterego | Monaco? | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an Apple fixed-width font. :D | 23:52 |
| alterego | http://alterego.freeshell.org/images/deskshot.png | 23:53 |
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| trevarthan | Hey, can anyone here get me a Jaiku invite? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mydesktop.jpg | 23:54 |
| trevarthan | I requested one yesterday but haven't heard anything. I need to check out mauku's scroll widget. :) | 23:54 |
| alterego | That's an interesting resolution ^_^ | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should probably have delineated screen edges. | 23:56 |
| alterego | Does your Mac book pro really go 4800x1950?! | 23:56 |
| alterego | (has to get one of those) | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:56 |
| alterego | ;) | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's 4 LCDs | 23:56 |
| alterego | That's like an internet tablet DPI ^_^ | 23:56 |
| Tak | that's actually a screenshot from an N800 | 23:56 |
| Tak | :-P | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should do it again, but with a couple ITs on the main screen through VNC | 23:57 |
| Tak | nokia pumped it up to 1000dpi for os2008 | 23:57 |
| alterego | Hah | 23:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wouldn't that be awesome. | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Better than Print" resolution. | 23:57 |
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| Tak | hah, I'm pretty sure my brain couldn't tell the difference | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, that'd be the idea. :D | 23:58 |
| alterego | No, me either. | 23:58 |
| alterego | I don't think I can really make out pixels on the N800's screen. | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is how it should be. | 23:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We need more resolution-indepent UIs and some medical-dpi desktop LCDs. | 23:59 |
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