IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-10-13

SE-Wilco2Tak|work: I suppose the bandwidth would allow streaming 1/30 sec of sound data on the video screen, but you'd need a camera feeding a speaker to use the data.00:02
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SE-Wilco2Can you dump the sound data to a file or RAM buffer?  That would let you time the data rate at that measurement point.00:05
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SE-Wilco2Is the sound driver keeping the CPU, so the app can't buffer up more data until the sound driver uses it all up?00:07
pupnikbizarre - when i disable sound i get 12 fps, and with sound i get like 3200:07
pupnikum SE-Wilco2 it's hard to answer those questions00:08
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pupnikone explanation i've read online is that sdl has problems with emulators and sound00:09
pupnikand i could only paste the link, don't want to offer a poor recap of it00:10
SE-Wilco2I know.  I've done some dev driver programming.  I haven't looked at this code for a while, though, so I'm mentioning some interactions which might be there.00:10
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hiepponewbie here can someone help me display the turn-off button in 2007he00:14
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pupniksystem("shutdown -h now")  ? :)00:17
||cwdon't you just push the power button?00:17
SE-Wilco2I don't know what 2007he is.  I just hold down the recessed power button on the top of my N800 for a couple of seconds to get the off selection window.00:17
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hieppoyes the power button is there but I thought you can have a software button as well00:20
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Esworpwould anyone care to reccomend a good case for the n800?00:34
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esworphas anyone here used pan on the n800?01:53
esworpi get a hang when trying to get a group list01:54
pupnikanybody feel like working on gp2x fceu -> nokia port with me? :/01:56
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bobbywI just got my first tablet yesterday, just checking everything out02:31
bobbywseems to be a rather large community of educated people with these babies02:31
bobbywI bought it thinking I was going to be able to play mp3's with it, and that would be the coolest thing about it02:32
bobbywlittle did I know, it runs linux02:32
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bobbywdoes anyone here know how to move around the apps in the "start" menu, I installed like 10 things to extras without thinking02:34
bobbywnow I want to move them and I don't feel like uninstalling and reinstalling 10 apps for that purpose02:34
pupnikgo to tools - control panel02:35
pupnikthen click task navigator, then click "Organize" next to applications02:35
bobbywI do not see task navigator in control panel02:38
bobbywthat couldn't be a third party app?02:39
bobbywor maybe I need to update this, I haven't updated any of the software yet02:39
bobbywI can't be this nub02:40
bobbywbut it's just not there02:40
bobbywyeah, I dunno02:43
pupnikyou have what - n770 or n80002:43
bobbywI'm on an N80002:43
pupniksorry i have 77002:43
bobbywthanks anyway02:44
bobbywif anyone else knows the answer to this, or how I can chat with VIDEO to others users who do NOT have an n800, I would really appreciate it02:45
zerojaybobby, Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation.02:45
pupnik`FSettings' undeclared (first use in this function)  grr02:46
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_Monkeywhat's up, Blacksitox02:47
bobbywthank you02:48
bobbywvery much02:48
bobbywmuch easier to navigate now02:48
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bobbywman, with a bluetooth keyboard and a few weeks of getting used to this thing, I think I could sell my computer02:53
bobbywthe bluetooth keyboard already made it 100x times02:53
bobbywlksadlkd 100x better02:53
bobbywexcept when I type like an idiot02:53
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esworpanyone up for a few minutes of more new-guy stupidity?02:56
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esworpwell, what are some of the 'must have applications i might wanna look into?02:57
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esworpbah!   had a crash03:01
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper03:01
_MonkeyMaemo Mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor.
_MonkeyCanola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend03:01
esworpgot canola, not maemomapper..03:02
esworpdon't really need a map app right you.03:02
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GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper is fantastic. :)03:02
esworpi've been dicking around with mplayer, trying to find the best encode setup.  :]03:02
esworpi'm sure it rocks, but I just dont need it yaknow?03:02
GeneralAntilles1000-1250Kbps 400x240 @ 20-30fps is what works best for me03:03
esworpvideocenter seems like it'll be cool...   Pan gets pretty laggy..03:03
GeneralAntillesYou install Doom?03:03
esworpnot yet.. might do that this weekend.03:04
GeneralAntillesAlso, FBReader03:04
esworpgot that, yah.03:04
esworpi've noticed my version of maemo is a coupla versions old out of the box..03:04
GeneralAntillesUse AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc?03:05
esworpwhat would be the benefits to staying current?03:05
GeneralAntillesWhat version is it?03:05
esworpi have pidgin cooking for that, and xchat, too.03:05
esworplemme go look.03:05
GeneralAntillesPidgin is kinda a pain03:05
GeneralAntillesI'd recommend going with Jabber transports with the built-in Jabber client.03:05
esworpseems better than gaim.03:05
esworpyeah, i need to do that..  i used to use jabber on my palm.03:06
GeneralAntillesThe built-in client is nicely integrated.03:06
GeneralAntillesMakes things easy.03:06
esworpthe LCARS theme is pretty slick, too.03:06
esworpi could see how it would be better.03:06
GeneralAntillesPlankton is what I use03:06
GeneralAntillesVery nice.03:06
esworpi would like to eventually port the old Macos8.5 theme: Graphpaper.03:07
esworplemme find something.. I only know of it form my past, eh?03:08
GeneralAntillesKaleidoscope theme?03:08
esworphack out of japan03:08
zerojayGet Sketchy then.03:08
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GeneralAntillesMac user?03:09
* esworp ducks!!03:09
esworphey, sketchy is pretty cool.]03:10
GeneralAntillesThe AJAX remote works rather nicely with the N800 and MicroB03:10
flip^having just reflashed, can someone remind me where i can find gainroot?03:15
pupniki think the new quake is funner than doom03:16
_Monkeysomebody said gainroot was a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
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flip^heh heh, found it :)03:17
esworpis there any kind of 'tail' type applet for Home?03:20
pupniklike unix tail?03:21
esworpyeah, but on the 'desktop'03:22
zerojayno, but feel free to port it.03:22
pupnikwhy would you want a gui tail?03:23
esworpit would be more convienient to have it as a persistant applet on a smallish window.03:23
pupniklike tail -f to monitor a running log?03:23
pupnikthat could be a nice introduction to maemo development for you :)03:24
esworpi've not really got any kind of leetness... just basic CLI navigation stuff.03:25
pupnikyou can open multiple tabs in xterm though03:25
pupnikkeep tail running in one..03:25
flip^hmm, what was that thing that ate 100% of my cpu and drained my battery overnight back when i first got my n800... some media crawler thing or something?03:26
zerojayThat only happens if the user did something stupid, like create a recursive link so that it infinitely loops.03:29
* esworp hates fooling with video codecs..03:29
esworpbummer there wasn't One to Rule Them All.03:29
zerojayShittier still, they all are more or less exactly the same anyways.03:30
esworpi work part time on a military base overnight, and mplayer  is going to get a workout!03:30
esworpit was worse on my Lifedrive.03:31
esworpi really grew to hate that thing.03:31
pupnikthe more you get into video codecs the more you start to see differences03:35
pupniklike uh03:35
pupnikbeer, wine and cheese03:35
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GeneralAntillesI hadn't tried Quake 1 yet04:01
GeneralAntillesthat's really entirely functional and awesome.04:01
GeneralAntillesMouselook even works great with the stylus.04:01
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bobbywwhat's everyone up to on this wonderful friday night?04:24
GeneralAntillesTrying to install MPD on my OS X machine.04:27
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pupnikyeah pipeline just fixed that mouse look in the last update and i'm so impressed04:36
pupnikit's exactly like i hoped it would be04:36
pupniki'm trying to get the ARM optimized code into FCEU04:37
GeneralAntillesGoodness, if only we had accelerated 3d. :(04:38
pupniknot for a nintendo emu04:39
GeneralAntillesNo, for Quake 3. ;)04:39
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GeneralAntillesJust need an arm port of Tremulous and I'll be good to go.04:52
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bobbywanyone here know a way to make this bluetooth keyboard easier to use?04:56
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bobbywthat didn't come out right05:04
bobbywwhat I meant to say was05:04
bobbywI usually navigate my computer with my keyboard05:04
bobbywshit like alt-tab is gone05:04
bobbyweveryone is out at the bars, partying,05:10
bobbywI'm here playing with my new tablet05:10
bobbywsomething is wrong here05:10
pupnikwhat alt-tab05:10
bobbywswitch between applications05:10
GeneralAntillesControl panel -> Hardware Keyboard, Shortcuts tab05:10
bobbywthere you can set alt tab to bring up the menu but it doesn't let you toggle between them with is05:12
bobbywwith it*05:12
bobbywis that correct?05:12
GeneralAntillesSeems likely05:12
GeneralAntillesDon't have a bluetooth keyboard to test.05:12
bobbyweh, that's good enough05:14
bobbywI'll just have to get used to it05:14
bobbywI can't get used to pressing something besides alt-tab though, I've been doing that for years05:15
bobbywhmmm, now just plain tab works05:15
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procto:se noai05:27
proctoa:se ai05:27
bobbywanyone know how I can get aim transport running on an n80005:27
zerojayUse Jabber.05:27
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bobbywhow do I get aim contacts on my jabber buddy list05:28
zerojayYou'll have to use a PC to add the AIM gateway.05:29
bobbywactually, I don't even have a jabber account. Just gmail, will that work?05:29
bobbywI've got a pc in front of me05:29
zerojayGmail doesn't have the transports for that.05:29
bobbywI searched good for aim transport05:29
zerojayYou'll have to find and setup a jabber account at a jabber server with the AIM transport.05:30
zerojayIt's worth it.05:30
zerojayMuch better than using Pidgin.05:30
GeneralAntilles^ very true05:31
zerojayWell, with RTCOMM beta anyways.05:31
zerojayNo needing to run a separate program or anything.. it just works.05:31
bobbywsounds nice05:31
bobbywcan someone tell me what server they use?05:31
bobbywbefore I hop on one that sucks05:31
zerojayI would, but I run my own.05:31
bobbywI tried using gizmo, but that shows all my contacts as offline05:31
zerojayGizmo uses Jabber as well.05:32
GeneralAntilleszerojay, you use the speed contacts applet?05:32
bobbywso gizmo's transports are down?05:32
GeneralAntillesI can't seem to make it not display avatars with rtcomm.05:32
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Yes.05:32
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Works fine for me.05:32
bobbywgizmo aim transport05:33
bobbywwrong keyboard05:33
zerojayPerhaps the version of the transport on your server doesn't support avatars.05:33
GeneralAntillesI don't want the avatars05:33
GeneralAntillesIt makes the applet useless05:33
GeneralAntillesI can only fit about 4 people in there05:33
GeneralAntillesas opposed to a dozen or so05:33
zerojayWell, that's the reason why it's speed contacts.05:34
zerojayIf you need more, just use Contacts.05:34
zerojayAllowing it to scroll the whole list would be nice though.05:34
GeneralAntillesI just want it to work the way it had always worked since before rtcomm05:35
GeneralAntillesAvatars are pointless and stupid when you're trying to save space.05:35
GeneralAntilles12 is almost exactly the number of people on my buddy list that I want to contact "speedily".05:35
GeneralAntillesNot 405:35
zerojayI just put the people I talk to most in there.05:36
zerojayGood enough for me... and looks so much nicer with the avatars.05:36
zerojayThe option would be nice though.05:36
zerojayFile a bug.05:37
bobbywI have 5 friends, but two of them are made of duct tape05:37
GeneralAntillesBoxy Brown?
bobbywGuys, i'm having a hell of a time getting my sony ericsson phone to give gprs to my n80005:38
zerojaybobbyw: Out of curiousity, which SE phone do you have?05:39
bobbywI don't think gaim lets me click links...05:39
zerojayNot a bad phone.05:39
zerojayI've got some bugs open on it still, unfortunately.05:39
bobbywIt's not bad. Would be better if i could use gprs05:40
bobbywSomeone posted on a comment in a blog how to fix it but their writing was horrible05:41
zerojayI'd like it more if the Chinese version of the phone wouldn't misinterpret one of our dialog boxes and start printing out solid black blocks instead.05:41
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bobbywhmmmm, some guy said it worked instantly with his k700i05:49
bobbywI wonder if there is an internet setting I need to change05:50
GeneralAntillesOut of interest, any words for the Samsung SCH-A717?05:52
zerojayI think we just did some builds for it.05:55
zerojayWithin the last two weeks.05:55
zerojayI don't remember there being any major issues.05:55
zerojayI believe it's a prerelease... or maybe it's available now.05:56
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GeneralAntillesHopefully it's available now.05:57
GeneralAntillesas it's sitting on my desk. ;)05:57
zerojayOkay.. well, it must be pretty newly released then.05:57
GeneralAntillesMay or June I think05:57
zerojayI might be getting confused then.. or maybe Cingular is just slow as shit rolling out new phones.05:58
zerojayOur testers were getting annoyed trying to play our games on the Sony Ericsson P1.05:59
zerojayIt's one of those smart phone deals with multiple characters on each key.05:59
zerojayAnd we use the number pad exclusively.05:59
zerojaySo for every choice they made, they had to press the ALT key first and then the number.06:00
GeneralAntillesThat's awesome06:00
zerojayWe're just going to let them press the same key but without ALT.. we'll just change the keymap to accept the letters on the keys instead of the numbers.06:01
GeneralAntillesI guess there's no way to set the mode to numbers only?06:01
GeneralAntillesOr change the keyma06:01
_MonkeyGeneralAntilles: that doesn't look right06:01
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GeneralAntilleserm, yeah.06:01
zerojayThat's what they said.06:01
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zerojayThe problem is that the phone is in Romania.06:01
zerojaySo I can't get the keymap directly.06:01
zerojayI have to attempt to explain to the Romanian testers how to get the keymap from our debug mode in the game.06:02
GeneralAntillesLanguage barrier much?06:02
zerojayI know it doesn't sound like a hard task, but these are the guys that send me doctored up emulator images and call them "screenshots".06:02
zerojayMost of them know english at least a little. The problem is that they just aren't very good workers.06:03
zerojayIf you're a bug tester, you need to be very, very specific.06:03
zerojayAnd precise.06:03
GeneralAntillesToo much communism over there.06:03
zerojayI get bugs like... "Occurs: character says wrong thing Should occur: character says right thing."06:04
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zerojayWell what the fuck is the wrong and right thing?!?06:04
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GeneralAntilles-1, Obvious06:04
zerojayIt also doesn't help that they're something like 8 hours ahead of us, so whenever they don't understand and fuck up... well, we gotta send an e-mail and hope that when we come in tomorrow, they understood.06:05
zerojayWhen you have a week with a prerelease phone... well, you don't have many days to waste on that.06:05
zerojayI feel bad complaining about them because they are all genuinely good people that really want to help.06:06
zerojayThey just aren't any good at it.06:06
bobbywI'm confused06:07
bobbywwhen I use gprs from t-mobile06:07
bobbywshould I be paying 35 dollars a month or 606:07
bobbywto get the internet to my n06:07
zerojayWhen it comes to data, round up, Bobby.06:07
zerojayEspecially if you are in Canada.06:08
zerojay$100 for 100MB... pffffffft.06:08
bobbywalright, nevermind06:11
bobbywI thought my phone would pull the pages like usual06:11
GeneralAntillesAT&T = 20$/mo for "Unlimited"06:12
bobbywsince I can pull any webpage/file through my phone for free06:12
bobbywthere I go thinking06:19
bobbywshould I buy an sdhc card or non sdhc for my n800?06:23
bobbywI read somewhere they were developing support for sdhc06:23
GeneralAntillesIf you're at the latest firmware you're good to go.06:23
bobbywhow do I update my firmware06:23
bobbywI haven't seen an option for that anywhere06:23
bobbywI mean, I just bought this thing yesterday06:25
bobbywso it's brand new, does that nessicarily mean I have the newest firmware?06:25
GeneralAntillesYou probably have 26-806:25
bobbywegh, everyone keeps giving me links in gaim, I can't figure out how to open them!06:25
GeneralAntilleswhich doesn't have the SDHC patch06:25
bobbywlemme type that into my desktop06:25
bobbywif I do this update, I'm going to lose all my settings?06:34
bobbywand programs?06:34
bobbywit says use the backup-restore utility, that will save EVERYTHING?06:34
[31d1]how is babby formed?06:35
bobbywhow girl get pregnant?06:35
GeneralAntillesBackup restore will keep the repos and most of your system and application settings06:39
GeneralAntillesYou'll have to reinstall the applications themselves, though.06:39
bobbywmight as well get it done06:40
GeneralAntillesFirmware updates are supposedly going to get easier in the future06:41
GeneralAntillesI've been wiping and updating various IT devices since 2005, it gets tiresome after a while. <_<06:42
bobbywI guess I'm going to take the plunge. See you in six hours when I'm back operational06:43 SDHC the only feature I'm getting out of this?06:43
GeneralAntillesThere's are a couple other updates06:43
GeneralAntillesbut SDHC is the major thing06:43
GeneralAntillesThe other option is to run the risk of burned out SDHC cards, though.06:43
GeneralAntillesSo it's worth it. ;)06:43
GeneralAntillesAlso, setup xchat on the PC if you have any trouble.06:43
bobbywburned out sdhc?06:46
bobbyweh, whatevs. time to delete everything I've done in the past 2 days06:48
bobbywone more question06:49
bobbyware the classes in sdhc cards better or worse higher or lower06:49
bobbyweh. gotta go06:49
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pupnikman infones is beautiful07:26
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hieppoanyone in the house07:35
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bobbywazalright, after a firmware upgrade and a long time of reconfigure/reinstalling, I'm back08:18
bobbywazthis time, with xchat08:18
bobbywaza big thank you to the dude that helped me out08:19
GeneralAntillesSure thing. :)08:20
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zoransomeone knows the channel to contact administrator of nickserv?08:34
zoranyep, found that08:36
GeneralAntilles or /stats p08:36
GeneralAntillesTo find a staffer08:36
zerojayCheck the MOTD.08:36
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zoranhuh, somebody else owns my nick08:38
zorantalking to admin now08:38
zoranhm, could be interesing to know what I got as an answer for my question on #freenode08:46
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zoranuh, typo09:08
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sciboyAny progress zoran?09:27
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zoranah, folks sait I should wait, since the nick is "private"09:30
zoranlike Joseph K in "process"09:31
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sciboyOkey dokey, so is there an N800 emulator somewhere?09:37
sciboyI know that for development under a linux platform it isn't quite as useful, but I want to play around before my real one gets here. =P09:38
zoranI've heard of linux arm bin player, just what you want09:39
zoranis should be the part of sdk09:40
zoranuh, cannot find the name09:41
zoranxephyr. probably09:42
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zoransciboy, it is really xephyr09:55
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* zoran goes to see if dragons still have the fire10:15
sciboyIs bora the current release?10:16
zoranah, 3.2, I think10:17
zoranbora is probably 3.010:17
zoranbut, I don't have n80010:17
sciboyProject:           maemo 3.2 Bora SDK10:17
sciboyVersion:           3.210:17
sciboyBaseline:          Internet Tablet OS 2007 Edition 4.2007.26-810:17
sciboyDate:              2007-07-0510:17
zoranyes, as I know10:17
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* czr mornings10:20
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sciboyDarn, too much of a pain under AMD64.10:25
czrit is so heavy?10:25
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zodttdhi pupnik11:16
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sciboyOh hi zodttd.11:19
sciboyKnow you from GP2X. =)11:20
czrhey zodttd, got yours yet?11:20
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sciboyAnyway, thanks for all the great stuff you did on the GP2X.11:22
zottdnp :)11:24
zottdsciboy is your username at gp32x?11:24
sciboyYeah, don't expect to see much there though I was a consumer.11:25
zottdheh :P11:25
sciboyI'm an artist/animator not a programmer, luckily the N800 should be much easier for me to give scripting a shot.11:26
zottdThanks either way though. :)11:26
zottdIm thinking of getting a N800 too11:26
zottdsome good deals lately11:26
sciboyMine's still on order. =)11:26
sciboyI jumped on it as soon as it became available in my area.11:27
sciboyAnything in particular about it that you want to do?11:28
sciboyI'll be using mine for reference while I work, although the fact it's got a debian derivative means I'll be getting tons more out of it.11:30
zottdI wanted to try gpSP if nobody has yet11:31
zottdThen depending, psx4all11:31
sciboyI'm curious how that would perform compared to the GP2X.11:32
zottdme too actually11:32
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sciboyzottd, You taken a look at the SDK with scratchbox?11:33
_Monkeyhmmm... scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development.  Homepage:   Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial:  Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial:  A walkthrough for 3.x:  Scratchbox Downloads:
sciboyOnce set up with Xephyr it should let you play with the maemo environment without an actual n80011:35
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sciboyI haven't tried it, but the install looks simple enough under ia3211:39
czrthe sdk is mainly useful for building sw11:39
czrthe lower level stuff you do, the more un-useful it becomes.11:39
sciboyIt's a starting point.11:39
czrsure. and you still need to build your software in order to run on the device.11:40
czrzottd, there are also vmware images that contains already setup sbox+sdk.11:40
zottdcool, I think I will have the setup ready to go easy enough11:46
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zottdBut I'm not really well fit to be splurging money11:47
sciboyYeah don't be in a hurry to do that.11:47
zottdNormally I get hardware donated, or money from the community for my ports to pay for the hardware. It doesnt look like that will happen with this project. :P11:48
czrzottd, there was a developer discount when n800 launched. with emphasis on people who worked on some stuff for the 77011:52
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JaffaMorning, all11:56
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czrmorn Jaffa12:00
sciboyThere's also this thread, maybe you could do some *cough* hinting,
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zottdback, sorry. :P12:05
sciboyNo worries. =)12:07
czruhm. anyone know what's up with dbus-send when sending string:'hello world'? it seems to split the ' ' into separate arguments12:09
czrdoing proper quoting.12:10
czrI'm thinking that the argument passing in is broken12:10
czrsciboy, you have SDK running?12:10
sciboyNope, I'll be sticking to python and web development.12:10
suihkulokkiwell it's a shell script, so argument-with-space passing is broken by principle12:10
czrsuihkulokki, it wouldn't have to be. there are ways to do it properly.12:11
czrbut any hints on it :-)12:11 dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call /com/nokia/statusbar string:Hello\ world int32:212:11
czrnothing complicated as you can see.12:11
sciboystring:'Hello\ world'12:11
czrsciboy, no12:11
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czrmeh. run-standalone uses $* to launch the program12:13
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czrsuihkulokki, FYI, if it's broken in _a_ script doesn't make it broken by principle (when done correctly).12:19
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czrsuihkulokki, for the fix.12:31
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czrgranted, with 4 different ways of doing it, no wonder it gets sometimes done incorrectly :-)12:34
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sciboyI'm really looking forward to getting my N800 and joining this community.13:37
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amranyone here any experience with using thememaker?13:59
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amrgreat, i think ive got the whitescreen14:11
amrrestarted it after changing a canola14:11
amrstarts up completely white14:11
amrnow ive got a white bar on the left going up14:11
amrand the rest is a grey colour14:11
amrwith other random lines going up14:11
amrif i press buttons on the left14:14
amrit looks like it responds and opens the menu14:14
amrjust its garbled14:14
GeneralAntillesYou try putting in a corrupted theme?14:20
amrits similar to that14:20
GeneralAntillesI think that's hardware14:21
sciboyUh oh, that isn't good.14:21
amris it fixable or is it a return job14:21
GeneralAntillesI think it's return. I'm not really familiar with the issue, though.14:22
sciboyIf it is the WSOD then it's a return job from what I've read.14:22
sciboyMuch feared.14:22
amryeah, i thought things were going too well for once14:23
GeneralAntillesHow old is it?14:23
amrstore where i got it is closed14:23
amrurm, 2 months?14:23
amrmaybe 314:23
GeneralAntillesHave to send it to Nokia14:23
amroh christ14:24
GeneralAntillesMaybe see it back by Christmas. >_>14:24
amrwell, ill send it to who i bought it from14:24
amrwhat even causes it14:27
sciboyCan't remember what it was,14:29
sciboy"WSOD is caused by a failure in the LCD controller chip that breaks the screen"14:29
sciboyGoogle brought that up.14:29
amrhaha fantastic14:29
GeneralAntillesDon't recall exactly what was causing them to fail.14:29
pupnikoh i am a dunceboy14:29
pupnikeven if i have target as /media/mmc1, a game data .deb package needs to download to rootfs14:30
pupnikso .debs are fundamentally wrong for game data14:30
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GeneralAntillesAny way to have the deb for the game engine to run an installer application to put the data where it needs to be then remove itself?14:31
pupniki don't see how14:32
sciboyLook at the msttcorefonts package in debian.14:33
GeneralAntillespupnik: Guess it's time to build a game installer, then. ;)14:34
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pupnikgood advice sciboy14:35
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amrim gutted14:36
amri used my tablet daily :(14:36
sciboyReal bummer.14:36
GeneralAntillesTime to plot down for one of those tasty new N800s. ;)14:37
GeneralAntilles*erm, plop14:37
pupnikthe msttcorefonts installs a bash script, then uses a postinst script to run it.  the script then gets the fonts from a set of known repository urls14:38
sciboyplop and tasty in the same sentence, nice mental image.14:38
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sciboypupnik, How does it handle removal though?14:39
amrnow, do i wait for the new tablets or get an n800 :P14:39
sciboyIt's important that users have that option.14:39
pupnikit uses debian/prerm which does a rm -r on the dirs14:39
GeneralAntillesWell, if you spend ~230 now, will you have ~400 available around January?14:39
sciboyamr, The N800 has the features I want and will be supported officially for quite a while, I went for it.14:39
amroh, i may go for it then14:40
doublecthe n800 is well worth getting14:40
amrno wsod issues are there :P14:40
GeneralAntillesI can attest to the fact that the N800 is a very worthwhile upgrade over the 770.14:40
GeneralAntillesSpeed and responsiveness are lightyears ahead.14:40
pupnikbtw i got a new nes emulator running, but erm... it's not fast enough on 77014:41
pupnikif any n800 users want to try it i can share14:41
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sciboypupnik, Speaking of emulation, zodttd is around.14:43
pupnikyeah we talk :)14:43
sciboy=P I'm just a hopeless fanboy.14:45
pupnikyou want to work on gpfe sciboy?14:45
pupnikmore or less just needs a reworked main.c14:46
sciboyI only go as far as Python, sorry. =)14:46
pupnikdo you have n800?14:47
sciboyNot yet, ordered and waiting. =)14:47
sciboyI'll be doing little apps and games but I'm not a programmer so anything real is beyond me.14:49
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pupnikxlthanks for the documentatino reorg15:09
dockanegot my n800 today, together with two hcsd cards (8gb).. works flawlessly. amazing device.15:23
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GeneralAntilles'grats, dockane, no just install Quake and get to encoding some video for it. ;)15:26
pupnikdid you try some of the mods GeneralAntilles ?15:26
GeneralAntillesNot yet.15:27
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GeneralAntillesLooks at the topic and nothing in there was all that interesting.15:27
* dockane prefers the usb networking howto15:31
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flip^InfoNES ?15:48
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pupnikInfoNES is a NES emulator from japan15:49
* gla55 made a crude symbian port once15:49
pupniki also have a tweak to fceu that i'd like a n800 user to test15:50
pupnikgla55: do you want to port littlejohn ? :) :)15:51
pupnikanyway let me know how bad infones stutters on n80015:52
pupnikand i'll put a fceu binary up if you want to test that15:52
gla55pupnik: i don't have time for hobby things in a while :<15:53
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sciboydockane, Can't wait to get mine, should be a week or two.16:05
sciboyWhat's your favourite way to type? I'll be doing quite a bit but I'm not getting a bluetooth keyboard for it.16:07
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dockanewhat is binary of the editor application called coming with the n800?16:32
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playyamaybe maemo pad16:36
dockanei would like to use it to edit files in /etc16:36
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dockane"ps aux" says its osso_notes16:40
dockanearg.. osso_notes does not take any parameter :(16:42
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dockaneand yes: i do not like vi17:01
* Jaffa yawns17:02
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GeneralAntillesapt-get install nano, dockane17:08
playyavi is great17:10
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flip^what's the name of that nice little app that sits at the top, reporting cpu/memory/clock and when touched gives a little dropdown that works as an app launcher...18:16
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_Monkeybonjour, Blacksitox18:31
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IsoTeemuHi, Im trying to get n800 work with wrt-350n, but without success. Any ideas?18:35
zoranmore data?18:36
zoran350n could be new linksys?18:37
IsoTeemuIt doesn't see SSID, nor connect manually18:37
IsoTeemueverything else works, from laptops to Nintendo DS18:37
zorank, you hide ssid?18:37
IsoTeemunot that stupid18:38
zoranit is a good approach18:38
zoranjust a sec18:38
zorank, let's try again18:39
zoranwhat is the protocol?18:39
IsoTeemuN, but it works backwards compatible18:40
IsoTeemuDS, witch works with B, works18:40
IsoTeemuand powerbooks, witch uses G, works too flawless18:40
zorank, take g as your protocol18:41
zoranon my 54gl I chose just g18:41
zoranwhat encryption18:41
IsoTeemuIt doesn't allow it to be changed.18:41
IsoTeemumixed (b,g,n) or disabled18:41
zoranhm ,mast be18:42
zoransome arrow down with options b, g, bg, something only...18:42
IsoTeemuand currently without encryption, but I have tested with everything18:42
zoranit works fine as wpa2 aes18:42
zoranI have it and works fine with laptop and 77018:43
_Monkeyosso-statusbar-cpu is at
IsoTeemuI would assume too that it would allow me to change protocol, but it dont18:43
zoranI just cannot believe18:43
zoranlemme find the manual18:44
IsoTeemumy cisco-sertified friend tried to get n800 to work with it, but gave up after he even got his N-series phone to work18:44
zoranhow did you turn off encryption?18:45
zoranthe same way, arrow let you choose the protocol18:45
czrruns with CCMP here fine (although the device shows WPA, but..)18:45
IsoTeemuwireless security -> security mode: disabled18:45
czr(different AP though)18:45
zorank, have a screen about b,g, or similar?18:45
zoranmust to18:46
IsoTeemuNetwork Mode: mixed or disabled18:46
IsoTeemu"If you have Wireless-N, Wireless-G and 802.11b devices in your network, then keep the default setting, Mixed.  If you want to disable wireless networking, select Disabled."18:46
czr"Network mode: disabled". how logical is that :-)18:46
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zorank, IsoTeemu, I do believe you18:47
zoranjust cannot believe linksys18:47
IsoTeemuand n800 gets really confused about neighborhood networks when 350 is powered18:47
zorancould you changethe channel?18:47
IsoTeemui can, but it didn't help18:47
zoranlooking for pdf manual18:48
zoranhe-he, no 350n on linksys site18:48
zoranuh, javascript18:50
zoranthose guys are unbelievable18:50
IsoTeemuhmm, when I rebooted 350, n800 did find it for a sec18:50
zoranprobably no linux version?18:50
IsoTeemuit is18:50
IsoTeemuor older (US) versions were18:51
zoranworks now?18:51
IsoTeemuno, after it was booted it was lost18:51
zoranhow big is manual pdf?18:51
IsoTeemudont know18:52
zoranhave a cd?18:52
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zorank, I stoped to downlaod it18:52
zoranthey even don't give a file size18:53
IsoTeemubut it was pretty much useless18:53
zoranwith my 770 I done it in a sec18:54
zoranopened new conn from general screen18:55
zoranu know, memory, apps, sound ...18:55
IsoTeemuyeah yeah18:55
zoranit is something like conn manager or else18:55
zoranthen new conn18:55
IsoTeemuthis is only wifi it (n800) has failed to connect18:56
zorank, try again18:56
zorannew conn18:56
zoranthen choose what is has18:56
zoranencrypted, I think18:56
IsoTeemusec, i need to reboot 35018:57
zoranI had option as I hide ssid18:57
zorant ocould remove it18:57
IsoTeemu"network connection error"19:01
zorancould you find b or g option elsewhere?19:02
IsoTeemuno, there is't19:02
zoranit is good you tell about this router19:02
zoranI had some distant idea to have it19:03
IsoTeemuI'll put my 0.2€ for problem being in n80019:04
zorandon;t give up so fast19:05
zorancould you connect _any_ ap?19:05
zoranfriends or neighbor's?19:06
IsoTeemuI can19:06
IsoTeemuand I have19:06
zoranlet's that be the first step :)19:06
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pauliukasAny way of playing Windows Media streaming audio?19:07
IsoTeemuit connected!19:07
IsoTeemubut it's still totally confused about networks19:07
zorando you see it on 350n?19:07
zoranhave you let it connect to 350n????19:08
zoranmac address?19:08
zoranno, add it to your "let in" spool19:09
IsoTeemuit connected and net worked19:09
zoranI chose to filter addresses and had to add laptop and 77019:09
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IsoTeemuI'll test if it can do it again19:09
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zoranchange the channel to 1, 11 or 619:10
_Monkeyzoran: that doesn't look right19:10
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IsoTeemuit works, after putting SSID hidden19:10
zoranyou hide ssid!19:11
IsoTeemushame, now I cant annoy my neighbours with it19:13
zoranyou could set music loud19:14
IsoTeemutoo obvious. Only young person in whole building19:14
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IsoTeemuwell, life would be boring if everything would be perfect19:16
IsoTeemuthaks, zoran19:16
zoranif no probs, no fun19:16
zoranah, thereis dd-wrt for 350n!19:26
pupnikmy wlan doesn't even make it from one end of the house to the other19:28
zoranwhat router?19:28
_Monkeyrouter is at .119:28
zoranI liek _Monkey19:29
pupnikit the german government's restriction of AP's to 100mw19:29
zoranwhat is a distance you could have?19:30
pupnikso even a small business i worked for couldn't cover their building with one ap19:30
zoranin meters?19:30
pupnikbrick/concrete walls are hard to penetrate19:30
pupniki get about 10-15 meters through these walls19:31
pupnikmore like 1019:31
zoranwhat dist you need?19:31
pupnikno need.  it's just annoying19:31
pupnikit's a netgear 108mb/s something or other19:32
zoranI had issue with asus wifi card on my freebsd laptop19:32
zoranafter changing it to atheros based one, all probs have left19:33
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zoranand this wrt54gl works like a charm19:33
zoransome netgear stuff is said to be strange19:33
zorannot for all19:34
zoranjust for posters19:34
zorank, fabric firmware could be tuned to follow local rules19:35
zoranthere are linux based that make it reachable from 2-3 fold distance19:36
zoranif I recall, those version let user change the signal strenght19:37
zoranchanging the channel is one of things user should do19:37
zoranit is better to be on 1, 6 and 1119:38
zoranthe signal is stronger there19:38
pupnikinteresting, i'll experiment with channels19:41
zoranthe channels intersept, except on those locations19:41
zoranin europe19:41
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pauliukasHow can I stream Windows Media audio on my 770?19:44
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pupnik perhaps with uPnP19:47
pauliukasthere's no vlc or something for the 770?19:48
pupnikmplayer can play streams, i'm sure many other media players can19:48
pupnikcanola, ukmp, kagu19:48
pupnikand the buildin audio player19:49
pauliukasbuilt-in can only play MP3 streams19:49
pauliukasnot windows media19:49
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_Monkeyque tal, Andy8019:50
pupniki don't do windows.  good luck19:50
Andy80anyone of you remember the URL of that project to speed up the mmc on n770?19:50
pupniksearch fanoush mmcplus19:50
pupnikor 52mhz19:51
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Andy80anyone of you has tested that patch?19:53
zoranfanoush did  :)19:55
* zoran goes to see if dragons still have the fire19:58
Andy80no... I mean: is anyone of you using it?19:58
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pupniknot atm - i am testing with low performance to get a baseline20:02
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pupniki have heard it's many tiems faster20:03
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bobbywazhey guys. i have an interesting dilemma. when i am using google talk / aim transport, and the icon is online and available in the sysem tray, i don't get ims unless i open a chat window first20:06
Andy80the procedure to install the new kernel is the same to install a new firmware, described here:  ?20:08
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Andy80I've followed the procedure and this is the output:
bobbywaznevermind. i was siged on somewhere else20:15
Andy80then I've powered on the n770 and checked in a terminal the uname -a output20:15
Andy80but it doesn't look like a new kernel....20:15
Andy80what's wrong?20:15
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kaltsido you want to just load that kernel or flash it permanently?20:26
Andy80just load and boot it to test (like he suggest to do)20:27
Andy80then I want to flash it20:27
kaltsiright, I actually have the same problem.. I'm not sure how to just load a kernel image :-/20:29
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Tu13esI'm tempted to buy an iPod Touch20:38
Atariiu fool20:38
Atariikick ban kick ban!20:38
Tu13esi know, i know20:38
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Tu13esi don't use my n800 much though20:40
Tu13esreally I just use it in class when I don't feel like using my macbook20:40
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xanfrade, ping21:44
fradehi xan21:44
xanfrade, not registered, so can't do /msg :p21:45
xanfrade, go to
fradeNickServ- You have already identified21:45
fradexan, ok21:46
xanno, I mean I am not registered21:46
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milhouseAnyone tried Sardine (on the device) lately?21:58
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milhouseI haven't managed a succesful Sardine upgrade in weeks21:58
milhouseEither I'm doing something wrong, or it's been abandoned...21:58
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esworpyo.,  quick question:22:56
esworphas anyone had any hands on with that bluetooth laser keyboard?22:56
_Monkeywhat's up, user__22:57
user__not hands on but i heard it sucks22:58
pupnikafkyes someone here used it and said it works22:58
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esworpyeah, it seems like a nifty doodad.  but if it seems too good to be true...22:59
milhouseesworp: yeah, apparently it works but no tactile feedback and your fingers banging away on a hard surface for extended periods is somewhat unpleasant23:00
milhouseesworp: the upshot is yes it works, but read some reviews before going ahead - most are average at best23:01
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esworpi used to use a fabric keyboard with my palm;  it was doable-  it wasnt BT though23:01
bobbywazjust get a folding bluetooth keyboard23:01
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esworpi  probably will.  just curious, yaknow?23:02
bobbywazit's overpriced, and from what I hear, it doesn't work good enough to pay that much for it23:02
esworpword.   the cost is the main suck-factor.23:03
bobbywazif it was 50 and sucked, or 120 and worked reall well, I'dsay yes, but from what I hear about it, it's not worth it23:03
bobbywazI came home with my first n800 two days ago, and my room mate happened to have a mac bluetoooth keyboard she bought for her macmini, that doesn't have bluetooth23:03
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bobbywazso that's what I'm typing on right now23:04
milhousebobby - is that the new thin aluminium kb?23:05
esworpi was mulling over the full size vs. folding dilemma23:05
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bobbywazI say get a full size dell for 20 on ebay, or if you've got the 50-60 get a folding23:05
esworpthanks again for the intel, folks;  i'm out23:06
pupnikafkmy stowaway was $12023:06
milhousebobby - this one?
milhouse(just interested to know what the feel is like, and the extent of key travel)23:07
milhousepupnikafk: your name is a lie23:08
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bobbywaznot that one23:09
bobbywazthat's the new one I think23:09
bobbywazthis is the older one23:09
bobbywazclear plastic back, all white from23:09
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