IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-10-12

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tb0n3	anybody know if there's a SIRF III compatible gps daemon for debian?	00:15
tb0n3	cause I'm runnin down somewhere but I'm taking a different route and would love to have my gps but was windows based and .net 2.0	00:15
tb0n3	http://osdir.com/ml/hardware.gps.gpsd.devel/2005-12/msg00011.html	00:16
tb0n3	lawlz	00:16
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Formal	Does the amount of swap u dedicate for virtual mem only depend on the size of the memory card?	00:22
milhouse	no, there are hard limits - 64MB on 770 and 128MB on N800	00:22
Formal	Or does the os put a limitation on it?	00:23
milhouse	even if you have a 2GB partition on an N800, you still won't be allowed to create a swap file larger than 128MB	00:23
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Formal	Do u know why that is? Is it to save cpu/battery life?	00:24
milhouse	you might be able to create a swap file larger than 128MB manually, but I think the device will crash; you may have more luck with a swap partition >128MB, but then you can't unmount the card (which basically means you can't remove the battery cover while the device is booted)	00:24
suihkulokki	umm incorrect	00:25
milhouse	Formal: I don't why the limits are there, but it's probably no coincidence that the maximum swap file size matches the amount of physical ram on each device	00:25
milhouse	suijkilokki: probably :)	00:25
milhouse	s/suijkilokki/suihkulokki/	00:25
infobot	milhouse meant: suihkulokki: probably :)	00:25
suihkulokki	you can create as big swapfile as you want, if you do it by hand	00:25
suihkulokki	and it will get automatically used/unused if you call it .swap	00:26
milhouse	i think i've seen people say they've done this, and the devices crap out	00:26
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suihkulokki	however, big swapfiles are not really usefull	00:26
suihkulokki	if your system ends up trashing hard, it come slow as hell	00:27
Formal	Thanks guys, i've been wondering about this, but i still haven't received my new mem card	00:27
milhouse	if you've got an N800... make sure you have the new kernel :)	00:27
Formal	Just means more storage for media	00:27
Formal	770 for me	00:28
tb0n3	770 has a kernel for highspeed/2GB memorycards	00:28
tb0n3	just installed it last night	00:28
tb0n3	fastfastfast	00:28
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Formal	Sweet, thats what's on the way	00:28
tb0n3	well, you have to install the kernel	00:29
tb0n3	flash*	00:29
* tb0n3 flashes his kernel		00:29
tb0n3	woooooo	00:29
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Formal	What version is it?	00:29
Tb0n3	don't remember, 1 second	00:29
Tb0n3	zImage-su-18-200639-2gb-mmcplus52Mhz is the file	00:30
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Tb0n3	only for the mmcmobile I think though	00:30
Formal	Alrighty can the file be found in the maemo garage?	00:31
milhouse	fanoush	00:31
_Monkey	has many hacks on his website http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo	00:31
milhouse	check there ^	00:31
Tb0n3	there we go	00:31
Tb0n3	didn't remember	00:31
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Formal	Thanks	00:32
Tb0n3	though there's a hannoushe jewelers around here, don't know if I'm spelling that right.	00:32
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milhouse	Fanoush is a jewel in the NIT hacking community... (sorry)	00:33
Formal	I've only had my 770 for a week, but i've been rather busy putting together a theme	00:33
Tb0n3	already?	00:33
Formal	I'll post em when they are complete	00:33
Formal	I'm quite please with the little device	00:34
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Formal	Just wish i had some programming skills	00:35
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Formal	...Damn all that time in rt school!	00:36
Formal	-	00:36
pupnik	uh fan... is a serious hacker	00:39
pupnik	we don't have many of those	00:39
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Formal	Has anybody tried recruiting some of the developers from jlime720?	00:41
Formal	They are all a hard working bunch	00:41
pupnik	720 = ?	00:41
Formal	HP Jornada 720	00:42
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alterego	Yeah, who needs serious hackers when you have idiots like me! :)	00:43
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Tb0n3	so, the archos 605 looks neat	00:43
playya	is it hard to code bluetooth stuff with python fpr n800?	00:45
alterego	playya, be the first and tell us ;)	00:46
playya	that sounds funny	00:46
alterego	That's odd, my jokes are usually rubbish ..	00:46
suihkulokki	playya: have you coded bluetooth stuff on your pc?	00:46
playya	but i first i buy good python book	00:46
playya	i dont think so	00:46
suihkulokki	playya: http://org.csail.mit.edu/pybluez/	00:47
playya	ok thx	00:47
suihkulokki	playya: it should be as easy/hard to develop pybluez stuff on pc than on n800. the api is same.	00:48
playya	thinking about a n800 remote tool for mms	00:48
suihkulokki	mms?	00:48
playya	mymediasystem,org	00:48
Formal	That 605 does look kinda fun	00:49
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playya	nice but too expensive	00:49
playya	my next device is a openmoko	00:49
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Formal	What does it cost?	00:50
playya	450$	00:50
Tb0n3	$300 for openmoko	00:51
playya	+shipping	00:51
Tb0n3	with dev	00:51
Tb0n3	that's what I read last on their site	00:51
playya	$300 for the pre relaesed dev version without gsm, umts, wlan,...	00:51
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playya	and all 150 devices are sold	00:52
pupnik	alterego: you've done very useful stuff in a short time	00:52
Formal	Open moko seems cool, but i just want an asus eee	00:52
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Tb0n3	:O	00:52
playya	i want the next n800	00:53
Tb0n3	asus eee	00:53
Tb0n3	lulz	00:53
Tb0n3	they didn't keep their promises	00:53
Formal	And u laugh because?	00:53
pupnik	asus doesn't fit in pocket, nokia does	00:53
playya	eeePc is with win?	00:53
Formal	Yah thts what made me get a 770	00:54
Formal	Eeepc come with some linux distro to start out	00:54
pupnik	nothing... nothing comes close to a nokia for me	00:54
Formal	You can install win if u wanted	00:55
milhouse	yet :)	00:55
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Tb0n3	4GB hdd	00:55
milhouse	s/yet/@pupnik: yet/	00:55
infobot	milhouse meant: @pupnik: yet :)	00:55
pupnik	yeah i know	00:55
Tb0n3	also, they laughed at their low prices and said woops	00:55
pupnik	they will get competition in 2008	00:55
Formal	The new 800 would be nice...no more virtual keyboard	00:55
milhouse	come on 2008... hurry up!!	00:56
playya	really?	00:56
pupnik	yes check the intel roadmap - the bastards will have almost-useful portable cpus in 2008 and 2009	00:56
Formal	I dunno what i would do with my 770 when it does come out	00:57
milhouse	i like to fondle mine from time to time (my 770 that is)	00:57
Tb0n3	mmmm, 770	00:57
alterego	Heh	00:57
pupnik	never selling mine	00:57
milhouse	it reminds me how fugly and heavy the N800 is, and how I miss the hard cover...	00:57
Formal	For $130 new i couldn't pass it up	00:57
Tb0n3	I never can figure out what to do with the case when I wanna use it right	00:57
Tb0n3	same here	00:58
milhouse	mine is priceless :)	00:58
Tb0n3	mine was 140 but with 1GB mmcmobile card	00:58
playya	i have a logitech diNovo right to my n800	00:58
Tb0n3	lol	00:58
Tb0n3	carry around much?	00:58
Tb0n3	:P	00:58
Tb0n3	I wish I had the money to get a bluetooth portable keyboard	00:58
Tb0n3	also a zaurus cl-r3200	00:58
alterego	I'm not sure I'd have a use for a BT keyboard.	00:59
milhouse	i bought one of those - stopped using it within the first week	00:59
playya	Im not allowed to carry the n800	00:59
alterego	I don't do much typing on the device.	00:59
Tb0n3	errr	00:59
Formal	Mmc cards are way to hard to find in stores	00:59
Tb0n3	SL-C3200	00:59
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Formal	Have u ever played aound with a zaurus?	00:59
pupnik	zaurus was nice but $800	00:59
milhouse	it was too much hassle to unpack the bt keyboard (it's a stowaway sierra folding job) and easier to use the vkb	00:59
Tb0n3	no, never used a zaurus	01:00
Tb0n3	but it was my other choice before I saw the 770	01:00
Tb0n3	well, the SL-5000	01:00
playya	a friend of mine has an old one	01:00
Tb0n3	err 5500	01:00
Tb0n3	jesus	01:00
Tb0n3	built in keyboard and such	01:01
playya	http://www.twinsbyte.de/hardware/reviews_07/logitech_dinovo_edge/picview.php?image=4.jpg	01:01
playya	very nice	01:01
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Formal	The price always kept me away from the zaurus	01:01
Formal	I'm ruff with portables	01:01
playya	and zaurus ars only available in japan :(	01:01
Tb0n3	if I won the lottery I would have soooooo much shit I wouldn't have a day without something new	01:01
playya	i love portables too	01:02
playya	just playing coding...	01:02
Tb0n3	I've got myself a PSPcf	01:02
Tb0n3	which is nice, but now I have me a 770	01:02
Formal	www.dynamism.com is a good importer	01:02
playya	psp is too expensive	01:02
Tb0n3	ha	01:02
Tb0n3	I play me sum free games	01:03
Tb0n3	for free	01:03
Formal	at least u get a warrenty	01:03
Tb0n3	also FF7	01:03
Tb0n3	I have never broken anything I've owned	01:03
Tb0n3	lol	01:03
Tb0n3	unless I took it apart	01:03
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Formal	Lucky you!	01:03
Tb0n3	<3 taking things apart	01:04
kuzew	Anyone know if they have kdm or gdm compiled for n770/800 so one can pick between the native window manager, XFCE and KDE via a nice gui?	01:04
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Tb0n3	what about keyboard?	01:05
Tb0n3	it just seems like it wouldn't work better than the original	01:05
playya	err the n800 has a special X server	01:05
alterego	It's special?	01:05
playya	might be hard to build this	01:05
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playya	i dont know how to say	01:06
playya	adjusted X	01:06
playya	better word	01:06
pupnik	yes but the xserver is independent from the windowmanager	01:07
playya	yes	01:08
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playya	i thought about porting e but not at the moment	01:09
Blacksitox	hi	01:10
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Tb0n3	if I felt like getting used to e I'm sure I'd like it	01:12
Tb0n3	but I like to have a manual	01:12
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alterego	I don't see the alure of E	01:17
alterego	I'm happy with Gnome.	01:18
alterego	In fact, I lurve gnome :P	01:18
Tb0n3	I love xfce	01:20
Tb0n3	it is gnome lite	01:21
Tb0n3	lol	01:21
Jiten	playya: there are several e libs ported already I think. Some people are doing fancy stuff with them.	01:23
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Jiten	playya: like this one http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/	01:24
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k-s[WORK]	:-)	01:24
k-s[WORK]	it's me	01:24
amr	hmpf	01:25
amr	770 has crashed trying to install kagu	01:25
amr	its making the noises when i press the touchscreen but everything else is locked up	01:25
amr	should i just pull the battery?	01:26
pupnik	press power button for 6 seconds	01:26
Tb0n3	wait	01:26
Tb0n3	that never works pup	01:26
Tb0n3	:(	01:26
pupnik	works here	01:26
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amr	ooh just as i pressed it	01:27
amr	the bar started moving again	01:27
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amr	great, now kagu scanner is doing nothing	01:30
amr	:\|	01:30
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amr	oh it is, its crashing my tablet :D	01:32
amr	it just rebooted itself	01:32
Formal	Kagu wouldn't work for me either. Canola works great	01:32
amr	canola locked up on me too	01:33
amr	refused to scan	01:33
amr	it worked a couple weeks ago though	01:33
Tb0n3	how do I set device permissions?	01:33
Tb0n3	in debian/ubuntu	01:33
k-s[WORK]	amr: canola-conf may hang if you have some id3/exif that breaks it	01:34
k-s[WORK]	amr: we have no protection against that :-(	01:34
amr	ah	01:34
amr	hm, how do i check without going through each file	01:34
alterego	Anyone working on hildon integration with glade yet?	01:35
alterego	(think I might do it myself)	01:35
amr	pygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga	01:35
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amr	and kagu bombs	01:35
amr	im having all the luck in the world ^__^	01:36
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disq	wonder why kagu won't work	01:40
disq	you're trying 1.0.8, right?	01:40
amr	yes	01:40
amr	ill try wiping the files i added to my card recently	01:40
disq	if kagu-scanner doesn't finish properly it won't really work though	01:41
amr	yeah, it forced a reboot	01:41
disq	you should find out why scanner won't work. there should be a crash log in MyDocs	01:41
amr	oh ok	01:41
Tb0n3	man, make verbose is just too much	01:41
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amr	kagu-lastcrash	01:42
amr	here we go	01:42
amr	haha, unable to open	01:42
disq	kaguscanner-lastcrash is for the scanner	01:43
amr	oic	01:43
disq	if there's something there, try pastebin.ca (or you could spam #kagu as well :) )	01:43
amr	kagu-lastcrash.log in MyDocs	01:44
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amr	same error as i posted above	01:44
amr	pygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga	01:44
disq	no kaguscanner-lastcrash.log? when you run scanner what happens?	01:44
amr	it presents me with the dialog, download album art etc	01:45
amr	i press ok	01:45
amr	it says scanning /media/mmc1	01:45
amr	then it just locks up	01:45
amr	i think i might have removed the offending files	01:46
amr	ill try again	01:46
amr	im assuming its the same error as canola	01:46
disq	you could run "cd /usr/lib/kagu; ./kagu-scanner.py" from xterm and follow it there. there should be verbose messages so it should help	01:46
amr	ok ill try it after this scan now	01:46
disq	ok :)	01:47
amr	no progress bar activity, just displaying 'looking for files in /media/mmc1/	01:47
disq	canola's id3 stuff doesn't work flawlessly for me. misses some tags and all. kagu uses a different lib	01:47
k-s[WORK]	amr: you can disable canola-applet, kill canola-conf and run it with debug	01:47
k-s[WORK]	amr: CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v	01:48
k-s[WORK]	disq: which lib do u use?	01:48
amr	ill have to put canola back on	01:48
disq	mutagen	01:48
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k-s[WORK]	disq: we use maemo's provided library :-(	01:48
amr	looks like its locked up again	01:48
k-s[WORK]	disq: we could use the same tech as amarok does	01:48
k-s[WORK]	disq: have 2 process, one to monitor	01:48
k-s[WORK]	disq: the scanner process would notify every file it process	01:49
disq	amr: weird. please try the xterm, if there's a glitch somewhere i'd like to fix it before the next release :)	01:49
k-s[WORK]	if it takes more than X seconds, then kill the process and restart with the next item in the list	01:49
k-s[WORK]	possible blacklist that item	01:49
amr	ok	01:49
disq	i don't like canola's autoscan on mmc-mount behavior	01:49
k-s[WORK]	disq: disable it	01:50
k-s[WORK]	disq: gconf-editor	01:50
disq	i should, now that i don't use canola at all :P	01:50
k-s[WORK]	AFAIR it's possible to disable it there	01:50
k-s[WORK]	:-D	01:50
k-s[WORK]	you'll like the next version	01:50
k-s[WORK]	it will be in python too	01:50
k-s[WORK]	and hopefully we'll be able to accept plugins	01:51
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disq	disabled. mmm. do you have a timeframe?	01:51
k-s[WORK]	the first version was able, but due license restrictions we couldn't release the header files and like	01:51
k-s[WORK]	:-(	01:51
disq	like, in 6 months? 2 years?	01:51
k-s[WORK]	disq: we should finish it by december, first betas by next year	01:51
k-s[WORK]	we're slow, but not that much!	01:51
k-s[WORK]	:-D	01:51
disq	:P	01:52
k-s[WORK]	disq: part of the time we spent working on EFL	01:52
k-s[WORK]	the UI infrastructure we'll use	01:52
disq	EFL stuff is exciting	01:52
k-s[WORK]	way better than SDL	01:52
amr	ok kagu-scanner.py is running	01:52
amr	preparing, looking for files	01:52
disq	we'll probably use GTK for 2.0	01:52
k-s[WORK]	I'm trying to make python-efl as good as possible	01:52
k-s[WORK]	disq: :-(	01:52
amr	exception accessing manager and friends	01:52
amr	prefs: exception accessing manager and friends	01:53
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amr	thats it so far	01:53
disq	that's no error :) OK the dialog and go on	01:53
amr	i did	01:53
amr	its running now	01:53
disq	okay.. let's see where it hangs	01:53
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amr	when i minimise the term to go back to the scanner the bar is greyd and the text is gone	01:54
amr	if that makes any difference	01:54
Mohero	Hi all.	01:54
_Monkey	Hi all. is there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye?	01:54
disq	it's scanner's bad gtk code, something i'm responsible for. shouldn't effect the scanning process	01:54
amr	ah	01:54
amr	ok	01:54
Mohero	just a quick question, is Maeomo only for Nikia handsets, or will it run on PDA's based on Intel Processors?	01:54
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amr	still going	01:55
disq	maemo is by definition for "nokia internet tablets" but some parts of maemo will be used in the upcoming Intel MID devices	01:55
disq	(like the hildon desktop)	01:55
Mohero	okies	01:56
Mohero	in that case do you kow of a good project that does run on intel based PDA's	01:56
Mohero	preferably one that has Cell / SMS working...	01:56
Mohero	if you don't then that's ok, i'm just curious and WM6 is far far far too slow....	01:57
disq	you mean the windows-mobile devices. nothing comes to mind	01:57
Mohero	and it's my only windows based thing	01:57
Mohero	ok, thanks anyway	01:57
amr	still scanning :p	01:58
amr	oh	01:58
amr	the screen went black	01:58
amr	now im back to the terminal	01:59
disq	oh	02:00
amr	still running	02:00
disq	maybe it just takes too long. downloading images from last.fm takes a while	02:01
amr	oh ok	02:01
amr	actually that might be it, i think my connection is a bit funny	02:02
amr	shall i end this and try again with no cover downloading?	02:02
disq	if you can't bear it, yeah sure	02:02
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disq	a ctrl+c won't break anything db-wise	02:03
amr	well it took me a good dozen times to get the tablet to actually connect to download kagu	02:03
amr	so i wouldnt be surprised if it cant download cover art	02:03
amr	now its not responding to input	02:04
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amr	heh, screen backed out again with a grey bar going across	02:05
disq	just ctrl+c a few times on the xterm	02:06
amr	yeah im running it again now	02:08
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disq	i should just make the actual scanner a seperate thread	02:11
amr	lol	02:12
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amr	hm im back to my desktop	02:14
amr	black title bar, xterm still highlighted on the left	02:14
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amr	blank* title bar	02:15
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disq	if the prompt isn't back on the xterm that means it's still scanning/calculating	02:16
amr	ok	02:16
amr	a message box has popped up, but its blank :p	02:17
disq	that's just weird, shouldn't be :)	02:17
disq	if it doesn't come back just kill it and try running kagu	02:17
amr	i cant do anything	02:18
amr	the left bar has whited out	02:18
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amr	the shortcuts on the right of xterm have been whited	02:18
disq	memory issues?	02:18
amr	i have no idea	02:18
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amr	haha, the message was 'not responding'	02:19
amr	kagu scanner was killed apparently	02:19
disq	heh	02:19
amr	:/	02:19
disq	memory? swap?	02:19
amr	i have swap on	02:19
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Tb0n3	:( source files for ubuntu lack so hard	02:25
Tb0n3	and all	02:25
Tb0n3	debian, I "make" something, it makes just fine	02:25
Tb0n3	I try to make me sum gpsd and I get this... http://pastebin.com/d5a3b8313	02:25
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amr	k-s[WORK],	02:30
amr	when i run canola-conf-rescan.sh from xterm	02:30
k-s[WORK]	amr: don't run it	02:30
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amr	oh	02:30
k-s[WORK]	amr: it's just a dbus call	02:30
amr	ok	02:30
k-s[WORK]	amr: you'll get no debug	02:30
amr	how do i run the rescan?	02:30
k-s[WORK]	amr: instead, kill canola-conf and disable canola-applet (to avoid relaunching canola-conf)	02:31
k-s[WORK]	amr: now go to Xterm and run:	02:31
k-s[WORK]	CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v	02:31
k-s[WORK]	it should print SQL queries about files it process	02:31
Tb0n3	well	02:31
Tb0n3	didn't have ncurses	02:31
k-s[WORK]	usually it check if file already exist in DB	02:31
Tb0n3	ncurses-base	02:32
k-s[WORK]	and retrieve it's mtime	02:32
amr	hm it wont die	02:32
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amr	oh ok nevermind	02:33
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k-s[WORK]	amr: close canola and canola-applet	02:33
k-s[WORK]	it uses dbus activation to restart it	02:33
k-s[WORK]	s/it/they/	02:33
infobot	k-s[WORK] meant: they uses dbus activation to restart it	02:33
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amr	glib warning, canola 16384 main.c:106:main Failed to open connection to bus: Unable to determine address of the message bus	02:35
k-s[WORK]	amr: run from run-standalone.sh	02:36
k-s[WORK]	CANOLA_DEBUG=1 run-standalone.sh canola-conf -v -v -v	02:36
amr	ok 1 min	02:36
amr	got result code 2 from requesting nam	02:37
amr	main.c:128	02:37
amr	advice?	02:39
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k-s[WORK]	no :-/	02:42
amr	lol	02:43
disq	i think it's your device/setup somehow	02:43
amr	its recently flashed	02:43
k-s[WORK]	amr: it should run and print lots of sql queries :-P	02:43
amr	this is frustrating	02:44
amr	canola definitely worked	02:44
amr	i used it on holiday, same card	02:44
amr	same music files	02:44
disq	could you run "free" and see how much free mem you have?	02:44
amr	ok min	02:44
amr	ugh, control panel has crashed	02:45
k-s[WORK]	ouch	02:46
amr	yea	02:46
amr	mem: total 62224 used 60612 free 1612	02:48
amr	swap: total 24568 used 0 free 24568	02:48
amr	and if i try to go to the memory bit in control panel	02:49
amr	things lock up	02:49
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disq	weird i have 62200 total :) (5404 free)	02:50
amr	is my device broken?	02:50
amr	yep, memory in the control panel locks up the device	02:50
disq	no idea. did you try a cold boot? (unplugging the battery and plugging it back)	02:50
amr	ill try now	02:51
disq	latest(-ish) 770 firmware, right?	02:51
amr	yes	02:51
amr	the latest	02:51
_Monkey	i heard the latest was 0.5.1a and it contains maemo 1.1 : http://cdprojekte.mattiasschlenker.de/Public/Maemo_Live/0.5a/	02:51
disq	_Monkey: forget latest	02:51
_Monkey	disq: I forgot latest	02:51
amr	ok its booted	02:52
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disq	try it all now :)	02:52
amr	same as before	02:52
amr	but free is 2972	02:52
amr	total is 62224 for mem	02:52
amr	and opening the memory bit	02:53
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amr	makes it crash again	02:53
amr	brilliant	02:53
amr	trying to get on to the virtual tab so i can turn off swap and then turn it on again	02:54
disq	could disable swap altogether, could be the mmc	02:54
disq	your initial free memory is too low i think	02:54
amr	yeah, whats sucking that up?	02:55
amr	can i turn swap off from xterm	02:55
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disq	yeah, run swapoff (as root)	02:55
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amr	swapoff .swap on /media/mmc1	02:58
amr	and i get its a readonly filesyste	02:58
amr	m	02:58
disq	"swapoff /media/mmc1/.swap" works here	02:59
amr	nope, i get read only filesystem :S	02:59
amr	oh dear	02:59
amr	i cant make folders	02:59
amr	brilliant	02:59
disq	see dmesg output	03:00
Luria	is there a man files deb package	03:00
Luria	sounds like youre mounted ro :-)	03:00
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amr	yeah i think the card is a bit broken	03:00
amr	it has done this before	03:00
disq	at least it's not the device	03:00
amr	true, i have 2 broken cards now though	03:01
Luria	btw, am i nuts or does wifi on the 770 suck in comparison to the n800	03:01
amr	one mmc-mobile doesnt get read by my card reader so i cant do anything with it	03:01
disq	cards often come with lifetime warranties	03:01
amr	im hoping so	03:01
Luria	or do i have a bad 770?	03:01
amr	filesystem panic on the card	03:02
disq	Luria: could be a number of things. slow mmc access? heavy site that strains the 770's cpu?	03:02
Luria	i was setting it(770) up for my mother and it wouldnt pick up the networks as easily as my n800	03:02
alterego	Hmmm ..	03:02
amr	min while i type out the output	03:02
Luria	out of the box 770	03:03
Luria	stock 64mb card	03:03
amr	[90.043426] FAT: filesystem panic (dev mmcblk0p1)	03:03
amr	[90.043487] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)	03:03
Luria	yikes	03:03
amr	yeah, theres 3 of those entries	03:04
amr	what should i do	03:04
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Luria	back up what you can and do a real reformat with something thatll mark bad sectors would be my approach	03:05
amr	im hoping my macbook can do that	03:06
Luria	but thats me :-)	03:06
Luria	gah macbooks dont have any flash slots	03:06
Luria	i hate that	03:06
amr	yeah i use a little adaptor	03:06
Luria	huh. maemo doesnt have format?	03:07
Luria	ie the command	03:07
disq	the file manager app can format the mmc	03:08
Jiten	is the issue that was corrupting SD-cards with n800 fixed for 770 kernel too?	03:08
amr	** /dev/rdisk1s1	03:08
amr	BAD SUPER BLOCK: MAGIC NUMBER WRONG	03:08
amr	this doesnt sound too hot	03:08
amr	SEARCH FOR ALTERNATE SUPER-BLOCK FAILED.	03:09
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Jiten	amr: I mean that sounds it might be the kernel bug that (combined with buggy card) busted quite a few cards.	03:10
Luria	any one know of a man/manpages deb?	03:10
amr	Jiten, wasnt that for n800s?	03:10
Luria	does that affect rsmmc cards?	03:10
amr	i have a 770 and its an rsmmc	03:11
Jiten	it was a kernel bug related to power management	03:11
Jiten	it was lowering the card's voltage before the card was done.	03:11
amr	awesome	03:11
Jiten	since the bug was in the kernel, I'd think it might affect 770 too	03:11
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Jiten	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 the problem and fix is explained at the very end	03:13
amr	thanks	03:14
Jiten	anyway, I'm off to sleep.	03:14
amr	oh man ill do that tomorrow	03:14
amr	its 1:15am	03:14
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amr	Volume passed verification	03:17
amr	lets see if it mounts	03:17
disq	i should go to bed too. night.	03:17
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amr	night disq	03:18
amr	thanks for the help guys	03:18
Luria	bad interview today. fortunately, its a job i dont think i want	03:18
Luria	sigh, so it goes.	03:18
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* \|R just got bluetooth working on his linux station, need to try stuff :)		03:41
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Tb0n3	hey \|R	03:42
\|R	hey there :)	03:42
Tb0n3	I'm trying to get gps and nav working on my laptop cause I need it tomorrow	03:42
Tb0n3	:/	03:42
Tb0n3	I forgot I needed it to pick up my g/f, and I installed linux	03:42
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\|R	haha	03:42
\|R	why do you need it?	03:43
Tb0n3	whenever you do something like that it's a bitch cause there's ALWAYS something you forget	03:43
Tb0n3	cause I'm going to take a / route rather than -\|	03:43
Tb0n3	err	03:43
Tb0n3	_\|	03:43
\|R	ok :)	03:43
Tb0n3	hmm	03:43
Tb0n3	roadnav	03:43
Tb0n3	it freaking got my gps position	03:43
Tb0n3	YAY	03:43
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Tb0n3	well, roadnav <3 now I guess	03:50
Tb0n3	free maps	03:51
Tb0n3	gps supported	03:51
Tb0n3	free	03:51
Tb0n3	all good	03:51
Tb0n3	Chaquita NY	03:51
Tb0n3	Chaquita Banana	03:51
Tb0n3	Banananana fo fana	03:52
Tb0n3	fe fi fo fana	03:52
Tb0n3	I would love one for the 770	03:53
Tb0n3	is there?	03:53
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\|R	a banana for the n700?	04:00
\|R	770	04:00
doublec	maemo mapper?	04:01
_Monkey	rumour has it maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/	04:01
doublec	I use it - it's good	04:01
\|R	yep, tried it (without GPS) it's fun :)	04:01
Tb0n3	awsomes	04:01
\|R	I need to get my SD card and setup the japanese dictionary and this for tokyo for when i'll go there ;)	04:01
Tb0n3	I'm totally gonna be mapped up	04:01
Tb0n3	llz	04:01
Tb0n3	useful as hell	04:02
Tb0n3	lol	04:02
\|R	"So how was japan !?" "oh, nice n800 screen..."	04:02
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Tb0n3	oh, I had it installed already	04:06
Tb0n3	XD	04:06
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venture37	hi	04:10
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Tb0n3	:( maemomapper ain't work fo me	04:12
Tb0n3	read that it crashes on virtual earth repos	04:14
Tb0n3	there they are	04:14
Tb0n3	:D	04:14
Tb0n3	lol england	04:14
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doublec	i use the google maps repos	04:16
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Tb0n3	just closed again	04:19
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Tb0n3	:(	04:19
Tb0n3	not openstreet?	04:19
Tb0n3	nope, route closes it	04:21
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Tb0n3	freakin <3 getting email on my handheld device	04:31
Tb0n3	<3 you guys	04:31
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\|R	anyone has used the xkbd-bthid in Maemo 3.2 ?	04:37
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Tb0n3	lol "I was heading to my boyfriends to 'celebrate' the fourth of july, packed a bottle of liquor." yeah, sure, you whore, you were going to have teh sex	04:42
Tb0n3	teh sechs	04:43
\|R	?!	04:48
Tb0n3	tv	04:48
Tb0n3	oh god, it knows where the fuck I live	04:49
\|R	and where would that be? (i mean, if TV knows, it's somewhere online already right haha;)	04:49
\|R	oh and don't forget to paste you social security number...	04:50
\|R	s/you/your	04:50
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Tb0n3	wtftftf?	04:54
Tb0n3	I went to get directions between two places that go through all the maps I've d/led	04:55
Tb0n3	and it downloads a state that's 200 miles too south	04:55
Tb0n3	conneticuit?	04:56
\|R	so you're in vermont? :P	04:57
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Tb0n3	yeah	05:00
Tb0n3	how'd you guess	05:00
Tb0n3	;P	05:00
Tb0n3	well, atm new york	05:01
Tb0n3	going to vermont	05:01
Tb0n3	nowhere near going to ct	05:01
Tb0n3	or MA	05:01
\|R	ehhe	05:01
Tb0n3	>_>	05:01
\|R	come to montreal, we have a /. party on sunday ;)	05:01
Tb0n3	Lol	05:01
Tb0n3	wel, I'm actually heading to california next saturday	05:01
Tb0n3	;)	05:01
Tb0n3	well, saturday after this	05:01
Tb0n3	20th to the 27th	05:02
Tb0n3	gonna use my 770 for sure	05:02
Tb0n3	and possibly my psp	05:02
Tb0n3	cause it hass games	05:02
Tb0n3	listening to my 770's kagu with Sennheiser HD280s	05:02
Tb0n3	<3	05:02
\|R	:)	05:02
\|R	are there any better headphones with mic. that we can use ?	05:03
\|R	i was hoping to see some progress on bluetooth headsets... i'd really love to be able to call from bars with my VoIP setup :)	05:03
Tb0n3	you can get HD280s and a mic kit	05:03
Tb0n3	lol	05:03
Tb0n3	what do you use for voip?	05:03
Tb0n3	I need that	05:03
\|R	asterisk :)	05:03
Tb0n3	ah	05:03
Tb0n3	k	05:03
\|R	rtcomm on the n800	05:04
\|R	i need to find a way to secure my traffic though (tunnel it back home safely) as rtcomm doesn't even support md5secret so everyone can easily sniff my pass: /	05:04
\|R	i'd rather not get a huge bill next month :P	05:04
Tb0n3	holy hell	05:04
Tb0n3	kagu uses processes like a bitch	05:05
\|R	I've heard there is a bug though, rtcomm only sends data to the wireless card directly, skipping tun0 if you use OpenVPN	05:05
Tb0n3	/dev/tun0?	05:07
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Tb0n3	where da asterisk	05:08
_Monkey	rumour has it the asterisk is already the newest version	05:08
Tb0n3	lol	05:08
Tb0n3	_Monkey forget asterisk	05:08
_Monkey	Tb0n3: I forgot asterisk	05:08
Tb0n3	:D	05:09
\|R	hahaha	05:09
\|R	no, tun0 in ifconfig :)	05:09
Tb0n3	oh god	05:09
Tb0n3	roadnav you have failed me	05:09
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Tb0n3	that can't possibly be right	05:11
Tb0n3	2.5 hours to get someplace that's 1.5 hours away from a place which is 2 hours away from me?	05:11
Tb0n3	h4x	05:12
Tb0n3	my computer just said Test Phrase	05:12
Tb0n3	like a robot	05:12
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Tb0n3	:O satelite photos	05:14
Tb0n3	:D	05:14
Tb0n3	teh hax	05:15
Tb0n3	but srsly, where's asterisk?	05:17
zerojay	The same place you left it.	05:20
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Tb0n3	I like making a * in handwriting mode	05:20
Tb0n3	not	05:20
hillct	good evening all	05:22
hillct	i just got an n800 and ame trying to get a handle on the various non-gui apps	05:22
\|R	that would be ssh / busybox ?	05:23
hillct	i take it there's a terminal app or sudo facility but i don't see it	05:23
Tb0n3	ha	05:23
Tb0n3	well	05:23
hillct	\|R: yes, and various daemons, thttpd, etc	05:23
\|R	install openssh or osso-xterm	05:23
Tb0n3	ssh root@localhost	05:23
Tb0n3	or sudo gainroot	05:24
Tb0n3	when you get becomeroot	05:24
\|R	Tb0n3 : he need a shell first ;)	05:24
hillct	\|R: openssh is itself a terminal app?	05:24
\|R	hillct : no but you'll be able to access the n800 remotely	05:24
\|R	it's an ssh server	05:24
hillct	ah	05:24
hillct	riht	05:24
hillct	right. Of course. that makes sense	05:24
\|R	well actually there is openssh-client and openssh-server	05:24
\|R	get both ;)	05:24
hillct	done	05:24
hillct	how do i start installed daemons at boot?	05:25
\|R	in /etc/rc2.d/	05:25
\|R	are you familiar with linux?	05:25
hillct	sure	05:25
hillct	once I get to a console, I'm set	05:25
\|R	hehe ok :)	05:25
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\|R	then ssh right in!	05:26
\|R	change the root pass...	05:26
_Monkey	\|R: that doesn't look right	05:26
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hillct	am I missing the point where sshd gets started/	05:26
\|R	haha	05:26
hillct	/	05:26
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\|R	?	05:26
hillct	or is it added to rc scripts as part of the package install?	05:26
\|R	it should be running after install?	05:26
\|R	yes	05:26
hillct	ah	05:26
hillct	testing	05:26
\|R	S20ssh	05:26
\|R	(that's what i have here)	05:27
penguinbait	anyone priinting yet?	05:33
penguinbait	guess thats a noo	05:35
hillct	ok. next dumb question. I take it there's a default username I should be using for ssh. What's the default userid/password?	05:36
hillct	I take it all this basic stuff is documented somewhere...	05:36
penguinbait	rootme	05:36
_Monkey	hmmm... rootme is the default pw?	05:36
penguinbait	for root	05:36
hillct	LOL	05:36
penguinbait	user has no pwd	05:37
hillct	wow	05:37
Tb0n3	http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/chimneydance.swf	05:37
Tb0n3	:D	05:37
hillct	I never figured it would be that trivial	05:37
hillct	this is cool	05:37
hillct	there are cdrom and floppy mount points? Damn	05:38
Tb0n3	<3 nokia and their dedication to opensorse	05:38
Tb0n3	open sores	05:38
hillct	this f$%ing ROCKS!	05:39
penguinbait	i am running kde, on n800 now	05:39
penguinbait	kvirc	05:39
[31d1]	how do you input text?	05:39
penguinbait	on screen keyboard, or external	05:40
penguinbait	its not as nice as hildon inputs though	05:40
[31d1]	the regular 770 keybo ... oh theres a kde one?	05:41
penguinbait	but useeable	05:41
penguinbait	xkbd	05:41
\|R	hillct : yep, wait until you have it loaded with all sort of crap all in your pocket ;)	05:41
Tb0n3	how slow is it?	05:41
hillct	is osso-xterm an actual terminal so if I attach a keyboard I can work locally on the pad?	05:41
Tb0n3	and remotely	05:42
penguinbait	its not slow	05:42
Tb0n3	hmm	05:42
hillct	what's the state of available SIP clients?	05:42
\|R	hillct : i have rtcomm connecting to my asterisk	05:43
hillct	nice...	05:43
\|R	hillct : and a bt kbd for the term etc	05:43
hillct	bt kbd?	05:43
\|R	it's basically a good little umpc ;)	05:43
\|R	bluetooth keyboard :)	05:43
hillct	ah	05:43
hillct	OMG. hadn't considered that...	05:43
penguinbait	its a real computer	05:43
* \|R is waiting for a 32G sdhc :P		05:44
hillct	I'm probably going to try building Callweaver PBX for it	05:44
hillct	currently, I'm running my callweaver installation on an NSLU2 arm box	05:45
\|R	:)	05:45
zerojay	I've wanted one of those for a while.	05:47
zerojay	Too bad I've already out grown it. :/	05:47
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hillct	zerojay: in favor of what?	05:49
Formal	Has anybody used their IT as a bt keyboard on their pc?	05:49
Formal	I cant't get it tto pair. It times out way too quick	05:50
zerojay	hillct: Just using my PC.	05:50
zerojay	As a Samba box.	05:50
zerojay	NSLU2 only has 2 USB ports.	05:50
Formal	I followed the directions @ mulliner.org	05:50
\|R	Formal : i'd be interested in knowing how to use my PC to be a keyboard over bt to my n800 though ;)	05:50
zerojay	Two less than I need.	05:51
\|R	(so i don't have to take out the small bt kbd at home ;)	05:51
hillct	zerojay: that's what they make USB hubs for	05:51
\|R	just got a cirago bt-0321 adapter, this thing is so freaking small	05:51
Formal	You can ssh into the 800 and use yer pc keyboard	05:51
\|R	Formal : i know, but for the graphical interface...	05:52
hillct	Formal: uh... yeah, but what fun is that	05:52
zerojay	hillct: I've heard that they have problems with the NSLU2.	05:52
Formal	I want bt to pc so i can use my 770 as a midi controller	05:52
\|R	chaos-pad custom-style :)	05:52
hillct	zerojay: default firmware does have issues. But who uses the default firmware? Use SlugOS/be	05:53
zerojay	Even with that.	05:53
Formal	Sorta i just want the xkbdbthidwrapper to work	05:53
hillct	I've been running it with an 8 port usb hub from day one	05:53
hillct	no issues	05:53
Formal	I've already mae the script for my pc to use it a an ableton live controller	05:54
zerojay	Others have.	05:54
zerojay	Rather not take the risk.	05:54
zerojay	Maybe better off going to something a little more high end.	05:54
Formal	As you can tell my typing is not up to par on my 770	05:55
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\|R	i may end up just using a quicksynergy but bluetooth sounds more fun ;)	05:56
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Formal	Is there any chance of an rdesktop version with sound?	06:00
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hillct	interesting	06:04
hillct	on my IT, the user account comes locked by default	06:04
\|R	locked? you mean a password is set ?	06:04
\|R	it's probably 12345 like all nokia codes	06:04
\|R	at least, i guess, you can't destroy a sim card by entering it wrong 3 times +10 hehe	06:05
hillct	account is locked as in !	06:05
hillct	newest firmware image	06:05
hillct	a good move really...	06:05
hillct	or is * locked. I forget	06:06
Tb0n3	OS2007he?	06:07
_Monkey	it has been said that OS2007he is on track, there is something quite ready - still with internal reviews though (and don't try to deduce any date from this because even myself fail at these exercises) :) [qgill, 18 Aug]	06:07
Tb0n3	or latest OS2006	06:07
hillct	07	06:08
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hillct	38-2	06:08
hillct	I think...	06:08
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hillct	what's the deal with becomeroot on n800 w/OS2007 ?	06:28
hillct	homepage suggests it could brick the thing	06:29
hillct	really?	06:29
hillct	or is that warning there just for really rare cases?	06:30
\|R	i never used it	06:33
\|R	i don't get it	06:33
\|R	hehe	06:33
\|R	ssh in, change pass, change sudo rights if necessary...	06:33
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\|R	i think it has to do with history... but i only have this n800 since last week :)	06:34
hillct	and it works for you?	06:37
hillct	looking at the webpage, I see the homepage where the install file can be downloaded, but the relevent repo when clicked doesn't get added as a repo, but just gets displated as a text file. Mime type problem I suppose	06:38
hillct	I also see two distros listed	06:39
hillct	not sure what each relate to	06:39
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\|R	hillct : which ones?	07:12
\|R	hillct : but yeah, everything worked out here without gainroot or whatever	07:12
\|R	i switched to red pill mode though	07:12
\|R	but in the end i install everything with dpkg	07:13
\|R	there is too many repository and conficts to deal with apps manger cleanly and still have fun ;)	07:13
hillct	ah	07:13
hillct	red pill mode huh?	07:13
\|R	yep, go to application manger	07:13
\|R	select add repository somewhere	07:14
\|R	in the http:// ... delete that in type "matrix" and click cancel	07:14
\|R	http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html	07:15
hillct	so, which build of becomroot did you end up installing?	07:19
hillct	i can't seem to find the right one	07:19
\|R	none ?	07:19
hillct	confused	07:19
\|R	dpkg -l\|grep -i root \| wc -l -> 0	07:19
\|R	as i said, i don't understand what this become root is... and i managed to install everything i need	07:20
hillct	thought that was the whole point - to be able to gain root access from user account in xterm	07:20
\|R	so maybe i missed something but it seems i don't need it	07:20
\|R	well i can sudo su -	07:20
hillct	hmm	07:20
hillct	sudo su ? both?	07:20
hillct	never seen anyone use both	07:20
\|R	so i don't have to type a pass	07:20
\|R	gives a root shell	07:21
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doublec	anyone here tried building microb-engine from source/	07:22
doublec	?	07:22
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\|R	hillct: maybe gainroot bypasses the need for ssh, that must be the point? to do it locally...	07:31
hillct	aparently	07:31
hillct	LOL	07:39
hillct	here's the trivial solution	07:39
hillct	add this to /etc/sudoers	07:39
hillct	user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/ash	07:39
\|R	i did ALL ALL here since i m alone on the system	07:39
hillct	oh, yeah	07:39
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hillct	well that'd be an important detail	07:40
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hillct	that's why you were able to sudo, but if you do ALL NOPASSWD, you won't need to sudo su	07:41
hillct	easier to sudo ash	07:41
Blacksitox	bye	07:44
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Esworp	i just installed the lcars theme and sounds >tres kinky!	08:11
\|R	haha what's that?	08:14
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\|R	haha i see... trekkies ;)	08:17
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czr	mornink	08:36
\|R	hey :)	08:37
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latzko	hi	08:43
czr	\|R, any news?	08:45
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\|R	for today? uhm, fceu was kind-of fixed on the n800	08:53
czr	what is it?	08:54
czr	fibre-channel for european union?	08:54
\|R	haha non, more like FCE Ultra... which i have no clue what it stands for	08:55
\|R	but it runs NES games ;)	08:55
\|R	(for the nostalgic...)	08:55
czr	ah, too bad I don't have any of those..	08:56
\|R	coolrom.com? :)	08:57
czr	mmm	08:58
czr	maybe later :-)	08:58
\|R	hehe :)	08:58
\|R	i was beta testing for Tak\|work actually	08:58
czr	need to work a bit still. but the emu is good you say?	08:58
\|R	well, if you can find a game that plays with the d-pad and only one button at a time without a need for vert fast tapping of the A/B button, yes ;)	08:59
latzko	hi, on layout mode, my applet causes the device to hang if other applet was overlapped, instead of displaying the standard error message. Have you got any clue why?	08:59
\|R	(Life Force for example, i'm guessing tetris and such too, and uhm... )	08:59
czr	\|R, ah, I see the problem :-)	09:00
czr	maybe one should start manufacturing console pads that would use BT and then one could use those with the device?	09:00
\|R	hehe, i don't even think you can change the configuration to receive input keys by other means than tapping the screen ;)	09:02
czr	\|R, or, maybe it will be easier with the new device (assuming it will have the slide-out-keyboard)	09:02
\|R	but that wouldn't be too hard to change in the code i guess...	09:02
czr	assuming it's open source.	09:02
\|R	let's hope, and that it doesn't deprecate the n800	09:02
czr	of course it will :-)	09:03
\|R	but i mean, not like the n770 was deprecated in term of OS support	09:03
czr	although I hope not. but what are the odds of not deprecating?	09:03
* czr shrugs		09:03
\|R	they said two more release after 4.0 i think...	09:03
czr	well, that makes sense	09:03
\|R	yeah a bit better...	09:03
\|R	i hope that by then we'll have bluetooth headset support	09:04
czr	there's still no bt headset support?	09:04
\|R	all the code is there, it should work with a little integration on their part me think..	09:04
\|R	i don't think so	09:04
\|R	(other than very hackish attempts, but most people don't want to recompile kernels and modules)	09:04
zodttd	Whats the horsepower behind the N800?	09:04
czr	indeed	09:04
czr	zodttd, two horses!	09:05
\|R	haha	09:05
zodttd	Need three for me to port psx4all to it :(	09:05
\|R	french 2CV :)	09:05
czr	although the other one is still quite young.	09:05
zodttd	pupnik has me interested in this gadget, and the buy.com sale is pretty nice.	09:06
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* \|R needs to understand a bit more about gstreamer to understand where it fits in with the bluetooth headset / application interaction		09:06
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\|R	zodttd : it's plain evil, don't get one! i've been wasting all my week playing with it hahah ;)	09:07
\|R	(it rocks ;)	09:07
zodttd	heh	09:07
zodttd	I usually dont use the gadgets I put my software on though. :(	09:07
zodttd	This one seems useful though	09:08
\|R	see it as an underpowered but at a very good price, umpc :)	09:08
czr	zodttd, I had the same problem	09:08
zodttd	I despise UMPCs since they run X86 Windows software. No use for my software then.	09:08
czr	\|R, umpc = "um, what can I do with this PC"?	09:08
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\|R	hehe	09:08
czr	zodttd, what software is that?	09:09
\|R	but form factor / use -wise that is ;)	09:09
* \|R never ran windows as a primary OS...		09:09
zodttd	How underpowered? I wrote my playstation emulator for underpowered ARM based platforms.	09:09
zodttd	psx4gp2x	09:09
czr	zodttd, http://pastebin.com/m77232f42	09:10
czr	if that helps any	09:10
czr	it's an OMAP	09:10
zodttd	The GP2X is 200MHz ARM9. When overclocked to 266MHz, it runs a handful of games at playable speeds.	09:10
zodttd	OMAP, ah this might be fun :)	09:10
czr	but can't recall the number by heart atm	09:10
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czr	I especially like the "Some Random V6 Processor rev 2 (v61)" line in the report :-)	09:11
zodttd	haha	09:11
zodttd	yeah	09:11
zodttd	hold, I got it	09:12
zodttd	TI OMAP 2420, which is clocked at 330MHz	09:12
czr	could be	09:12
czr	the 2420 sounds right at least.	09:12
zodttd	That seems right	09:12
czr	and looking at the bogomips counter, the 330 might be right as well	09:12
zodttd	http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123	09:13
zodttd	yup 330MHz	09:13
czr	if you're planning to utilize the integrated dsp (ti c55x), then that's going to be hardish	09:13
zodttd	Nope, probably little need	09:13
czr	but there are people working on putting the vorbis stuff on the dsp, ask them how hard..	09:13
czr	good	09:13
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czr	zodttd, the UI is limited wrt key count	09:14
zodttd	My main concerns beyond the CPU would be the framebuffer performance	09:14
czr	so that's going to be the biggest issue	09:14
zodttd	Yeah thats next	09:14
zodttd	how to control the beast	09:14
zodttd	heh	09:14
zodttd	I assume gpSP (GBA) is on this already?	09:14
* czr shrugs		09:15
czr	you better ask other folk, I'm not a gamer :-)	09:15
czr	(although I have to confess, I do have a PSP)	09:15
zodttd	Hrmm. If not, I can get it on there as well.	09:15
czr	I remember seeing couple of emulators at least	09:15
czr	I hear that doom runs with decent framerates	09:16
zodttd	Yeah, the author of it is a friend of mine. I helped get gpSP on the GP2X. Its a fairly easy port now, even with the dynarec.	09:16
czr	so I guess it's possible to get the framebuffer performance to somewhere	09:16
\|R	xmame frontend to fceu is there	09:16
\|R	(xmaeme)	09:16
\|R	quake1 runs "well"	09:16
czr	zodttd, cool	09:16
* czr wishes for opengl 2.0 on the device		09:17
czr	it would be nice.. :-)	09:17
zodttd	I would prefer the 1.1GHz OMAP thats out now. Supposedly its going to be in the N900.	09:17
czr	1.1? that's crazy.	09:17
zodttd	Yup	09:17
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\|R	woah	09:18
\|R	how much is that thing going to cost !?	09:18
zodttd	I'm receiving one for development soon (the 1.1GHz OMAP SoC)	09:18
czr	USD per MGz	09:18
czr	MHz even	09:18
disq	1.1? sick	09:18
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czr	\|R, I guess we'll know when they tell something real about it	09:18
czr	zodttd, is the name official though?	09:18
zodttd	The devkit costs over $1000. But I believe the system on chip (like the Nxxx uses) is in the low hundred.	09:18
czr	I'd guess the pricing will be slightly higher than N800 launch then	09:19
czr	or maybe at the same level. maybe. not an oracle.	09:19
zodttd	czr: Theres a big discussion about this SoC on gp32x.com since the distributor of the GP2X handheld is making his own gaming handheld. "Rumored" to be this 1.1GHz	09:19
zodttd	OMAP :)	09:19
czr	cool	09:20
czr	the more the merrier	09:20
czr	as long as they run linux!	09:20
zodttd	When I spoke to pupnik he mentioned the N900 is going to probably be announced soon	09:20
\|R	cheers to that!	09:20
zodttd	They are :)	09:20
zodttd	Its an open source handheld	09:20
czr	that's cool too	09:20
* czr doesn't have time to follow all news out there.		09:21
zodttd	heh :)	09:21
czr	hell, I don't even follow stuff related to maemo :-)	09:21
czr	zodttd, what's the asking price for N800 on buy.com then?	09:21
disq	233 i think	09:21
zodttd	$230 I believe	09:21
czr	not bad	09:22
* \|R got ripped off last week ;)		09:22
zodttd	heh \|R	09:22
disq	i don't think it can get better than that	09:22
\|R	if it does, i'm buying another one to video chat with my gf	09:22
disq	afaik the 770 is still going for $140	09:23
\|R	99$ at some places	09:23
czr	that's not bad either	09:23
\|R	soon to be in the christmas socks of childrens as their "my first IT!"	09:23
czr	well, for a change it will be IT, not "my first TI".	09:23
czr	:-)	09:23
\|R	haha	09:24
disq	lol	09:24
* czr still thinks that IT is a sille name		09:24
czr	silly even.	09:24
\|R	yep	09:24
\|R	talking about silly things, i had to order this : http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/	09:24
\|R	i'm gonna be a huge dork i know, but couldn't resist :P	09:24
czr	haha	09:25
czr	do tell me how it works in real life :-)	09:25
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\|R	yep sure will (when/if they ship :P)	09:25
\|R	oh wait it's back in stock, it wasnt this morning when i ordered	09:25
\|R	so that should be soon enough :)	09:25
czr	they pulled them out of stock when they saw that you were ordering	09:25
czr	"oh no.. not HIM again!"	09:26
\|R	yeah :/	09:26
\|R	everybody does that :/	09:26
\|R	haha	09:26
czr	"quickly, hide all the warez!"	09:26
\|R	:P	09:26
\|R	put the tinfoil on the wi-fi! he's wearing that shirt again!	09:26
czr	I'd order more from tg, but the postage and duty kills all motivation	09:27
\|R	yeah, it's crazy expensive :\|	09:27
\|R	i don't know for the states	09:27
\|R	but when shipping to montreal, ouch!	09:27
\|R	almost the price of the shirt :\|	09:27
procto	\|R: I ordered one, too!	09:27
\|R	procto : hahah :)	09:27
\|R	After wardriving, war-wearing ! </bad>	09:29
\|R	is anyone familiar with bluetooth tools under linux?	09:30
\|R	just got a usb dongle working... i can ping the n800 but i'm lost after that ;)	09:31
\|R	i was wondering how hard it is to set a presence daemon or something to activate when it sense my n800	09:31
\|R	Could be a fun thing with home automation 8)	09:31
czr	you'd come home one night, slightly tired, and from the darkness you'd hear a menacing voice "I AM THE DEMON OF PRESENCE! YOU DO NOT BELONG! YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY!".	09:32
czr	how fun would that be then?	09:32
\|R	right on! best way to screw up a date! :P	09:32
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\|R	"but you said you weren't that much into computers!" "wait wait let me get a shell on my NIT ..."	09:33
\|R	haha	09:33
czr	indeed!	09:33
* \|R is sorry for using bad stereotypes ;)		09:33
czr	"hmm. give me a sec with the lock, I just remembered a ran some patches against the sw just yesterday, and damn.. I wonder why it doesn't open.. "	09:34
Gathaja	:D	09:34
czr	\|R, that's ok, no one is counting! :-)	09:34
\|R	"rootme! rootme! damn, that voice recognition is down!"	09:34
czr	heh	09:35
czr	"you want me to what you??"	09:35
\|R	:P	09:35
czr	neh, been fun. thanks for the entertainment. -> workie workie	09:35
\|R	i really hope that 32G SDHC comming out around january will be priced below 200$	09:36
* \|R is dreaming		09:36
\|R	czr : good day :)	09:36
\|R	i'm going to bed ;)	09:36
czr	oh, I'll lurk around in the shadows	09:36
GeneralAntilles	64GB	09:36
czr	yeah, night.	09:36
GeneralAntilles	Yums	09:36
\|R	GeneralAntilles : that's over SDHC specs though :)	09:37
\|R	(i still don't get that limit...)	09:37
GeneralAntilles	2x 32GB?	09:37
\|R	oh	09:37
\|R	haha	09:37
* \|R tired		09:37
GeneralAntilles	;)	09:37
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disq	i think it's just to make sure they can sell newer cards/formats with latest specs	09:39
disq	licensing cost = yummy	09:39
\|R	urhm.. :/	09:39
\|R	compact flash was IDE pin compatible	09:40
disq	not to mention forcing users to get new cards (as new hardware don't support old ones for form factor reasons)	09:40
\|R	newer SDHC++ should be SATA3 compatible or whatever	09:40
\|R	it will be hard to justify moving away from microSDHC :)	09:40
\|R	(form factor wise...)	09:41
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disq	they'll make newer ones triangular :P (bsg-inspiration)	09:41
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Syntra	Is anyone on?	09:41
disq	or change the pin layout and say the new format draws less current	09:41
_Monkey	disq: that doesn't look right	09:41
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\|R	haha	09:42
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disq	lol	09:42
Syntra	Wow, perfect timing	09:42
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Syntra	Uhh, I'm trying to get into my N800's Main file system using X Terminal?	09:42
\|R	Syntra : ok?	09:42
Syntra	Using the CD Command	09:42
Syntra	I wanna get to a file I have in my "N800" file	09:42
Syntra	I have no clue how to, to be honest	09:43
\|R	cd ~user/MyDocs ?	09:43
\|R	and then "ls -a" should show some hidden directories of the user's doc)	09:43
Syntra	Alright	09:43
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Syntra	OK yeah that worked	09:49
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Syntra	OK uhh... DPKG hates me apparently	10:02
Syntra	I'm putting in "dpkg -i openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb"	10:02
Syntra	It gives me "dpkg: need an action option	10:02
Syntra	"	10:02
Syntra	Anyone have an idea as to what I should do?	10:02
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czr	check your command line again, that command is valid	10:03
czr	dpkg -i packagename.deb	10:03
Syntra	I've checked it multiple times.	10:03
Syntra	I've even tried what it said, which is "dpkg -i\|--install openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb"	10:04
czr	err	10:04
czr	-i OR --install	10:04
czr	not both at the same time	10:04
Syntra	Ohh alright	10:04
Syntra	I'll try --install then	10:04
czr	are you writing the quotes as well?	10:05
Syntra	No	10:05
czr	good	10:05
Syntra	--install does the same thing	10:05
* czr shrugs		10:06
Syntra	Someone just needs to make OpenTTD for the N800 into a .deb	10:06
Syntra	This one is for OS06	10:06
Syntra	I have OS07	10:06
zchydem	hmm could that be a privilege problem? Isn't root the only one that can run dpkg -install	10:07
pupnik	root	10:07
zchydem	have you tried to "sudo gainroot"	10:07
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Syntra	I gained root using ssh root@localhost	10:08
pupnik	Syntra: something is strange	10:08
pupnik	try installing another package with dpkg -i	10:08
Syntra	I don't think I have any other packages	10:08
Syntra	I'm pretty much sure its just this one	10:08
Syntra	Thats screwing it up	10:08
latzko	hi I need some applet help	10:09
pupnik	you can't be sure	10:09
Syntra	True	10:09
pupnik	unless you experiment and verify	10:09
Syntra	What would you tell me if it wasn't just that one?	10:10
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latzko	what kind of signal or function runs on layout mode when two applets are overlapped?	10:10
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Syntra	OK I just tried a Different .deb file and I got the same thing.	10:19
Syntra	"dpkg: need an action option"	10:20
Syntra	Yeeah, I sadly think I might have to wait for someone to compile a OS07 compliant version of OpenTTD.	10:25
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StevenK	Hi, I was looking for the source packages for osso-systemui-dbus-dev and libosso-abook-dev - I can't find them in the maemo3.2 repository at all.	10:32
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inz	StevenK, do you have non-source package for osso-systemui-dbus-dev?	10:34
StevenK	No, I don't have the binary packages for it either.	10:34
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czr	inz, you know whether it's possible (or sane) to use libosso rpc-functions to do a simple d-bus method call which returns an array of strings? At least osso_rpc_ret_t doesn't seem to support other than "simple types" (not arrays)?	10:54
* czr is thinking of "RequestNames" in DBus		10:54
czr	osso_rpc_t even	10:57
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disq	i used plain dbus for that in kagu	11:03
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czr	is there a simple DBus method that is always present in the SDK that will return some simple data (non-arrays)?	11:04
disq	i used bus.get_object().methodname() for all that, though it's python and probably different	11:05
czr	yeah, unfortunately I'm restricted to C (and LibOSSO)	11:06
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inz	czr, no, libosso supports nothing fancy	11:14
czr	inz, so it seems :-)	11:14
inz	czr, you should suggest everyone to use the dbus glib bindings instead of crappy libosso ;)	11:14
czr	but I'm having a problem in that I can't come up with anything useful on the SDK where I could demonstrate libosso rpc functions	11:15
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czr	inz, that part is covered already.	11:15
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Gathaja	I'm getting error: "relocation error: ./program: symbol powf, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference" What should be done to fix this? The same code worked fine when it was on a different class	11:17
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pupnik	i saw the powf problem too	11:20
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czr	you need to rename it into poof()	11:36
Gathaja	hm?	11:43
pupnik	for some reason it only occurred on the device	11:48
czr	Gathaja, it was a joke.	11:49
Gathaja	ok :)	11:50
czr	when I run into problems which I can't explain, I laugh at them.	11:50
pupnik	you getting the problem in scratchbox too?	11:50
czr	(no, it doesn't really help solving the problems)	11:50
Gathaja	pupnik: yes	11:50
Gathaja	I haven't tried on the device	11:50
Gathaja	it's easy to laugh especially if the problem is someone elses :)	11:53
czr	Gathaja, yes, but you should hear me giggling away at my problems sometimes.	12:02
* czr is a very happy person		12:02
Gathaja	okay, thats good :)	12:02
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Gathaja	I usually start laughing when everything goes so bad there's nothing else to do but to laugh	12:03
czr	me too.	12:03
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pupnik	what i don't understand is you not getting the error in a different class	12:07
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Gathaja	it worked fine before, but now when I moved the code to different class..	12:14
pupnik	that is an interesting clue as to the source of the problem!	12:15
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Gathaja	:)	12:15
flip^	anyone have any idea why my Application Manager has stopped working - launching it simply opens a blank white window (titled Application manager) that does nothing, and tapping the close X does nothing til it prompts to forcefully close it because its not responding...?	12:20
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florian	good morning	12:24
pupnik	flip^: go to console and as root type apt-get update and see if you get errors	12:25
flip^	pupnik: have done, it throws a GPG error over tableteer (which it's always done), but that's it	12:26
pupnik	ok then your dpkg-status is fine	12:26
flip^	it was throwing a couple of other GPG errors, but i went through sources.list and commented out most of the repositories (using the same style as the app manager expects)	12:26
flip^	it was working yesterday morning... and i did nothing other than close it and reopen it 10 minutes later and found it not working (and it hasn't worked since)	12:27
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flip^	multiple pupnik's?	12:38
amr	how normal is it for the tablet not to respond to incoming connections?	12:40
amr	like i cant ssh in, i cant ping	12:41
czr	amr, mine falls out from WPA as well sometimes.	12:42
czr	I think it has something to do with session key renegotiation at 802.11g level.	12:42
czr	once I ping outside from N800, it wakes up	12:42
flip^	can i use apt-get to reinstall the application-manager?	12:43
amr	i cant actually ping it though	12:44
amr	and im using an unprotected connection	12:44
amr	just mac filtered	12:44
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amr	it could very well be my router, its on its last legs	12:45
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czr	ls -la	13:09
czr	heh	13:09
* czr has too many hands versus brain count-problem.		13:10
alterego	Good morning!	13:10
czr	hey alterego :-)	13:10
alterego	Aloha	13:10
czr	just finished up a simple libdbus client	13:10
alterego	Nice	13:10
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czr	nothing too fancy. fire & forget method call.	13:11
alterego	I'm writting tests, examples and api docs today.	13:11
alterego	The tests naturally reinforce the API and make bugs quite apparant :)	13:11
czr	or you could hire some evil minded dev to write the test cases for you	13:12
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alterego	I don't think so :)	13:12
alterego	I like doing different things. Keeps my brain from turning to complete mush ;)	13:13
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Gathaja	okay, there was easy solution to my problem. I changed float parameters to double...	13:29
Gathaja	i didn't realize that I changed the types of the parameters	13:32
alterego	Anyone know what the 'new!' method is about?	13:33
alterego	Ah, must be a glib thing ..	13:34
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timeless	hello world	13:47
alterego	Interesting ..	13:48
timeless	how do i find "hacker edition"?	13:49
alterego	Use the force.	13:52
alterego	Oh, I meant google sorry.	13:52
timeless	why can't i use downloads.maemo.org to search for it?	13:52
X-Fade	timeless: Because it is not an application? :)	13:56
timeless	i didn't go to applications.maemo.org!	13:56
X-Fade	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/	13:57
timeless	and how do i edit https://maemo.org/community/wiki/os2007on770/ ?	13:57
X-Fade	Or even.. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/	13:57
alterego	If you'd have used google you would have found it by now.	13:57
timeless	alterego: i'm already flashing it	13:57
alterego	:P	13:57
timeless	that's so not the point	13:57
alterego	WOO!	13:58
alterego	Sure it isn't.	13:58
timeless	the point is that the correct paths don't work	13:58
alterego	Yes, the maemo site is some what chaotic.	13:58
X-Fade	timeless: File a bug? :)	13:58
alterego	:)	13:58
timeless	x-fade: against what? :(	13:58
timeless	i actually need to file a bug against the SDK	13:59
timeless	http://www.sunwarestore.com/javawear/product/freeTShirt	14:00
timeless	SKU Option Available	14:00
timeless	JSC-299-L 0	14:00
timeless	JSC-299-XL -19	14:00
timeless	ah, it feels like a nokia/maemo product	14:00
timeless	-19 shirts	14:00
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sp3000	for only usd 0.00!	14:41
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alterego	Oops :)	15:17
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sciboy	WOO! I finally ordered myself a damn N800	16:10
sciboy	Let the linux-based-love-hate-relationship begin in a week or two!	16:10
sciboy	=D	16:10
hillct	this is such a great outfit http://www.cyberguys.com/	16:12
hillct	first item that shows up is a rollable fabric bluetooth keyboard	16:12
Veggen	sciboy: I just can't stand *Windows closedness. At all.	16:12
sciboy	Veggen, I'm fond of open source, but I don't really mind as long as it gets the job done well, linux did that for me much better than windows ever did.	16:13
Veggen	sciboy: trying to use it, I tend to end up quite frustrated :) Thus, most Linux and BSD things are immensely more satisfying.	16:13
Veggen	Let's face it:	16:13
Veggen	nothing is hassle-free.	16:13
Veggen	And hassles under Linux/BSD are just much more consistent experiences, something that's usually of value to learn, because you can get to the bottom of it and understand it.	16:14
sciboy	That aside, is development still steady on most apps?	16:14
sciboy	In other words, should I be proactive with my bug reports?	16:14
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sciboy	How about the mozilla browser? =P	16:20
sciboy	I migrated most of my stuff to online ajax apps.	16:20
sciboy	OMGOSH, I'm in the IRC log! HI READERS!	16:21
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mgedmin	sciboy: bug reports can't hurt	16:27
Tak\|work	I agree with Veggen - at least the hassles in unix are consistent ;-)	16:27
mgedmin	sometimes it feels you're dropping them into a big black hole labeled Nokia, but then in a year or two about 25% of them suddenly get fixed in a new OS release	16:28
mgedmin	the built-in browser is based on opera, but you can find a mozilla-based engine for it (called microb) somewhere	16:29
mgedmin	there's also minimo that wasn't fully integrated into the platform UI-wise, last time I saw	16:29
Tak\|work	how's microb's resource usage compared to opera?	16:29
sciboy	I'm just looking to use some google apps, although I've seen reports on how that experience has been hit and miss.	16:30
Veggen	mmm. I'm changing to a company where we use almost only open source, around new year. Tho, with OS X on the desktop.	16:30
Veggen	(but they said they'd be ok with me run other things - as long as it wasn't Windows ;)	16:30
Veggen	...tho, they recently had to give up on the no-windows-policy...sales-persons demanded it.	16:31
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flip^	windows (sadly) makes the world go round for end-users... it's not gonna be going away any time soon	16:33
Veggen	flip: Oh, sure. But that doesn't mean it has to make the world go round for every end-user.	16:33
Tak\|work	heh, depends who your end users are	16:34
flip^	90% (being honest, probably more than that) of them are windows users, tho you can always find places with other things	16:34
* flip^ has windows, linux and his n800 on his desk		16:34
Veggen	well. I have a windows-box. That's used mainly for outlook, because company mail is Exchange.	16:35
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Veggen	It goes under the name "the outlook machine", everything productive, I do from my Linux-box :)	16:35
* flip^ has outlook for his work email, but tends to let claws-mail on his n800 do all the clever stuff		16:35
Veggen	(at home, I don't have or need Windows)	16:35
Veggen	and I'll be totally windows-free at my new job.	16:36
Veggen	It'll not be my job to support the desktops of the salesmen.	16:37
Tak\|work	flip^: if your end users are home consumers...	16:37
Veggen	(probably will end up being outsourced)	16:37
flip^	Tak\|work: even if not, most of the world is windows - but i realise there are plenty that aren't too ;)	16:37
flip^	windows has its plus points, though most of them are matters of convenience... i like easily being able to reconnect to a graphical session that just runs in the background on my desktop and never breaks... even if i do have linuxy things running in it	16:37
Veggen	flip: Well, my strategy so far has been to ignore Windows.	16:37
Veggen	flip: Has worked for all my professional life (12 years)	16:38
flip^	looking at my task bar at the moment though, nothing i'm doing couldn't be done on linux - except testing how web content i produce appears in IE as most of the people that will look at it will do so with IE	16:39
flip^	anyone that does web design can't realistically ignore IE unless they're just being stubborn ;)	16:39
flip^	and it's quite possible to be stubborn and successful... it has a greater potential of being a limitation at some point though	16:40
Tak\|work	luckily, web designers can't ignore FF anymore either	16:40
Veggen	flip: Well. Many people does the mistake of developing for IE, and adjusting for the others.	16:40
sciboy	Tak: I can very well justify ignoring IE though. ;)	16:40
flip^	Tak\|work: if they keep adding more bloat and problems to FF though, it'll die a death like Netscape Navigator do	16:40
flip^	Veggen: I tend to develop the way I think things will work, and then adjust for both ;)	16:41
Veggen	If you develop for standard, you usually have pretty consistent results between FF, Opera and Safari, possibly with minor corrections.	16:41
Tak\|work	you mean like mozilla suite/seamonkey	16:41
Veggen	AND then you only have IE to adjust for.	16:41
flip^	same is true of IE7 these days - through all its faults, its rendering is pretty decent by standards these days	16:41
Veggen	Do it the other way, and you'll have to adjust much more for FF, much more for Opera and much more for Safari.	16:41
Tak\|work	and then there will be another ULTRA-SLIM version of FF to take its place, which will eventually accumulate until it's a gorilla, and the cycle will continue	16:41
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* czr wishes for a xhtml/strict-only browser		16:42
sciboy	Why? Most websites don't warrant xhtml?	16:42
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sciboy	Which reminds me.	16:43
* sciboy adds some XSL tests to his todo list.		16:43
czr	sciboy, I want funny things.	16:43
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czr	interesting. I can't use g_main_loop_quit from within a LibOSSO async rpc callback?	16:50
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sciboy	Oh speaking of which, what do you recommend for jumping between public wifi access points? I swear I saw a special tool for it.	16:51
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pupnik_	club those salespeople like baby seals	16:59
Geralt	Hi everyone! Could anyone remind me the link to list of repositiries?	16:59
sciboy	pupnik_, With a sack of kittens?	17:00
solmumaha	repositories?	17:00
_Monkey	rumour has it repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php	17:00
Tak\|work	kittens?	17:00
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Geralt	Thanx, I meant the last one withsearch!	17:01
Veggen	pupnik: actually, I think head of operations/computer maintenane quit his position over the decicion.	17:01
pupnik_	.. with a sack of mcse's	17:01
pupnik_	heh	17:02
Veggen	pupnik: (of allowing Windows). It'd be his responsibility.	17:02
Veggen	pupnik: New one is gonna do the only sane thing: Let it be someone elses problem :) (outsource it :)	17:02
pupnik_	i had to support a windows company and for most problems people just got their computers wiped and a clean image	17:02
pupnik_	good	17:02
Veggen	pupnik: this is a pretty small company. So far around 35-40 employees in total.	17:03
Tak\|work	pupnik_: that's the only sane solution (other than letting it be SEP, I guess)	17:03
Tak\|work	"What's that? Can't get your email? Here, let me ghost your drive for you..."	17:03
pupnik_	it's also funny how some users manage to consume a vast amount of support time	17:04
pupnik_	they're usually not dummies either	17:04
pupnik_	just a little too 'creative'	17:04
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czr	there are good reasons to instititute centralized computer/administration models :-)	17:09
czr	people in those environments don't get too creative. they don't get the chance.	17:09
sciboy	pupnik, I'm one of those creative individual who manages to run into the most obscure bugs.	17:10
sciboy	individuals*	17:11
pupnik	ditto	17:21
pupnik	though linux has been very hard to break in the past few years without actively attempting to muck things up	17:22
sciboy	The stuff I run to tends to get fixed quickly most of the time, bad bugs, small fixes.	17:26
Veggen	We're a pretty heavy user on a lot of enterprise-stuff.	17:28
Veggen	IBM Websphere, for example, we're in no way a trivial user of...	17:28
Veggen	you have no idea how many obscure bugs we run into on a lot of the stuff we ron.	17:28
Veggen	run.	17:28
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sciboy	I'm a graphics user, I pride myself on using problem solving in my animation, unfortunately that means my techniques are usually things the programmers never prepared for.	17:29
Veggen	It does sort of suck. And I've wished it was open source many times :)	17:29
sciboy	When I have a really shitty day, I just think "At least this isn't as bad as Macromedia Flash"	17:30
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sciboy	Adobe*	17:30
sciboy	As already mentioned, my method gets me in a whole lot of shit, and Flash takes the cake for my worst user experience.	17:31
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czr	sciboy, if by flash you mean dynamite, then I agree.	17:31
sciboy	I'm referring to the multimedia platform from Adobe.	17:32
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czr	only nice thing adobe does is type.	17:44
czr	(typography)	17:45
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Sayed	Hello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.)	17:55
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sciboy	Does the N800 come with a screen protector?	17:58
sciboy	Or am I going to chop up a PSP's before I start smudging the screen?	18:00
\|R	it has a plastic thing over for shiping, but it's quite cheap...	18:01
* \|R wonders why pressing power when plugging the cable made a weird boot without a progress bar or sound and didn't mount the mmc2 card etc...		18:01
Tak\|work	that triggers self-destruct mode	18:04
Tak\|work	you have 30s to get away	18:04
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\|R	haha	18:04
\|R	i was going to reply to your email..	18:05
\|R	we're back to black background with only save/load	18:05
\|R	(and for some reason i notced to package puts doc in /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/man/man6 ... seems like docpurge doesn't catch that)	18:06
\|R	not important but whatever ;)	18:06
Tak\|work	ok, willfix	18:08
Sayed	Hello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.)	18:08
\|R	Sayed : what's up with menu -> settings? :)	18:09
\|R	geeks have way to complicated habits ;)	18:09
\|R	too	18:09
\|R	hehe :)	18:09
czr	\|R, what, you mean using telnet for web browsing is somehow old-fashioned?	18:11
czr	although I have to confess, it is slightly PITA on the N800.	18:11
mgedmin	Sayed: osso-xterm uses gconf for its config, I think	18:11
czr	indeed it does.	18:12
czr	gconftool-2 -R / \| grep xterm	18:12
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czr	or rather pipe to more or less and try to locate the tree	18:12
\|R	well are we talking about the nXXX xterm? :P	18:12
czr	then use gconftool-2 --set foo bar. stuff to change the settings	18:12
* czr shrugs.		18:12
czr	osso-xterm, right?	18:12
\|R	you can configure it from the menu right? :P	18:12
czr	you can change the background color	18:13
\|R	hehe, doing some x11 voodoo is a bit overkill ;)	18:13
czr	oh. you can switch both	18:13
czr	I guess it depends which version we're talking about then.	18:13
Sayed	czr: Thanks	18:13
Sayed	oxxo-xterm	18:14
Sayed	osso-xterm*	18:14
czr	Sayed, np, I'm only a noob in supporting this stuff, so I might've been mistaken too.	18:14
Sayed	Heh alright	18:15
\|R	just saying because i say people on internettablettalk trying to change the xterm colors through the x11-ressources files wit bla*xterm: black etc	18:15
Sayed	One more thing, I was JUST downloading my mail with claws-mail, and the n770 turned off, now I Can't power it on...	18:15
Tak\|work	battery dead?	18:15
Sayed	Nah, I put the charger in, nothing happens.	18:15
flip^	take the charger out	18:16
flip^	and hold down the on button	18:16
Sayed	holding...	18:16
flip^	might be time to remove the battery and put it back on and try again	18:16
Sayed	Alright	18:16
Tak\|work	heh, you need to wait for it to charge enough to get the black charging screen before it will boot IME	18:16
mgedmin	Sayed: when the battery is fully empty, you'll have to keep it plugged in in the charger for quite a while before it will power on	18:16
Sayed	In general, is claws-mail a bad idea on the n770?	18:17
mgedmin	dunno, never tried it	18:17
Sayed	I don't think it's drained.. I haven't used it that much..	18:17
Sayed	And it was 3 bars last night, was on sleep mode all night	18:17
mgedmin	one unpleasant thing about the 770 was that it was always very hard for me to figure out how to turn it on	18:17
mgedmin	you have to keep the power button pressed for maybe 5 seconds before it starts waking up	18:17
mgedmin	the n800 at least shows the blue led to indicate that it's aware of you pressing the power button	18:18
zoran	works for me, 5-6 sec	18:18
* Tak\|work never turns his off		18:18
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Sayed	Foof	18:19
Sayed	Took the battery out	18:19
Sayed	and put it back in	18:19
Sayed	And now when I press power NOKIA screen shows	18:19
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Sayed	Any of you guys browse internettabletforums ?	18:20
Sayed	I mean internattablettalk forums*	18:20
zoran	all do	18:20
czr	not all.	18:21
zoran	:)	18:21
Sayed	Alright, I wrote a guide on applying a minimalist mentality to internet tablets. Actually, just the first part of the guide. Nobody has responded. Is it too unpractical? www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10378	18:22
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zoran	k, irssi and bitlbee	18:26
Sayed	Yep.	18:26
* sciboy checks for Pidgin		18:26
mgedmin	I doubt the thesis that MOST linux users strive to minimize resource usage	18:26
Sayed	But eventually i'll do links, screen tabs, htop, ncmpc & mpd	18:26
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* mgedmin once doubled his laptop's RAM just so he could use GNOME without swapping all the time		18:27
sciboy	I certainly don't, I don't want it to have any noticable interference with the applications I use.	18:27
Tak\|work	xchat + bitlbee works equally well	18:27
Tak\|work	plus it minimizes typing ;-)	18:27
sixpence	Yeah, but xchat is also a bit of a bloat.	18:27
sixpence	I'm just trying to keep it minimal.	18:27
Tak\|work	meh, I don't agree with the mindset that anything gui is "bloat"	18:27
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sixpence	Well, i'm just working for experience.	18:28
sixpence	Compare running irssi and canola and a web browser on the n770, to running pidgin/xchat, canola and a web browser.	18:28
sciboy	With a quad-core bloat is harder to notice.	18:28
sixpence	But we're talking internet-tablets.	18:28
Tak\|work	pidgin != xchat	18:28
zoran	people like different things	18:29
sciboy	Just saying, XChat is nice on my PC.	18:29
Tak\|work	also, you don't like resource usage, but you're running canola?	18:29
* mgedmin agrees with zoran		18:29
mgedmin	the web browser's resource usage depends A LOT on what you're (or were) doing with it	18:29
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mgedmin	it would be interesting to compare memory usage of xchat with the sum of the memory usages of osso-xterm and irssi	18:30
Tak\|work	indeed	18:30
sixpence	Tak\|work: Well, I also made a post on the forums, to which I had no reply. www.internettablet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10433	18:30
zoran	irssi is all around on shells	18:30
sciboy	Once I get my N800, I'm going to go through the first-time-firmware-upgrade jitters.	18:30
sciboy	You know, where you triple check you got all the right files and instructions.	18:30
mgedmin	sciboy: if you're getting a new one, chances are it will have the latest firmware	18:30
mgedmin	although maybe not, it if spent some time in a warehouse somewhere	18:31
mgedmin	because a new firmware update just came out last week	18:31
zoran	irc comes hard on 770, even if I like that	18:31
sciboy	mgedmin, I bought it from an Aussie store and I am yet to get an ETA for delivery.	18:31
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sixpence	Can anyone reccomend a more light-weight media player for the n770 tablet that can also connect to a media server? Or rather, if I have a .deb installation file for say, ncmpc, or mpg123, how do I install it?	18:32
sciboy	mgedmin, Anyway, I still have to go through the process at some stage, first time flashing on battery always leaves me nervous.	18:32
mgedmin	sciboy: it's scarier once you have actual data on the device and keep wondering whether you made the backup right :-)	18:33
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sciboy	mgedmin, Haven't they made that easier already?	18:33
mgedmin	but not as scary as upgrading the bios on a laptop	18:33
mgedmin	yes, backups are very easy	18:33
Blacksitox	hi	18:33
sixpence	Blacksitox: Heya	18:33
sixpence	Anyone? Reccomendation?	18:33
zoran	media player on 770?	18:34
sciboy	First thing that came to mind is tunnelling the binary data through your optic nerve.	18:34
sciboy	Which makes me realise that it's getting late and I'm becoming delirious	18:34
Blacksitox	hey sixpence	18:35
sciboy	Doing that would give you seizures.	18:35
sixpence	So nobody can reccomend a light weight media player that can connect to a local media server.	18:36
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zoran	I recall some text in linux journal	18:37
zoran	6-8 months ago	18:37
zoran	just about that	18:37
zoran	no details in my brain	18:37
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mgedmin	sixpence: what is a "local media server" ?	18:38
sixpence	mgedmin: Like tversity for example	18:38
mgedmin	... ookay	18:38
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* mgedmin never heard of tversity		18:38
sixpence	Uh.	18:38
sixpence	Like mpd	18:38
mgedmin	there are clients for mpd	18:39
mgedmin	that run on a n800/770	18:39
zoran	770 should run client, media box the server?	18:39
sixpence	But how do I install them on the n770.	18:39
sixpence	zoran: Yes.	18:39
SE-Wilco2	Is "local media server" for viewing stuff that's on a server on your LAN?	18:39
sixpence	Like for example, I have many linux apps in mind that I would want, and I even have the .deb for them, but no clue how to install them.	18:40
sixpence	SE-Wilco2: Yes.	18:40
zoran	as I said, I had LJ in my hands with text about your question	18:40
sixpence	SE-Wilco2: Like, playing music on a box on my network, from the n770.	18:40
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sixpence	Or videos, or viewing questions.	18:40
sixpence	zoran: Any link..?	18:40
zoran	6 months arased my memory	18:40
zoran	*erased	18:40
mgedmin	hm, http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ says there's currently no package for a 770	18:41
sixpence	hmm.	18:41
sixpence	So it's not possible to instal just any .deb on the 770, even if it's CLI?	18:41
zoran	sixpens, if you have a week or two, for me to find old magazine	18:42
sixpence	zoran: :-P	18:43
Tak\|work	...if it's a cli armel deb for which all the deps are installed...	18:43
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sixpence	Yeah =\|	18:43
sixpence	So I guess i need to stick with canola.	18:43
zoran	k, found something	18:43
sixpence	I'm jumping all over the place, still trying to figure out a text configuration file for messing with xterm's colors and whatnot.	18:44
zoran	/lj/node/9175/print	18:44
zoran	maybe not what you want	18:44
zoran	take a look at links at the bottom	18:45
sciboy	Oh, about the N800, how do you switch wifi on'n'off, don't need full details just a quick idea.	18:46
Tak\|work	power button, set offline/normal mode	18:46
SE-Wilco2	I see "MediaStreamer" in my N800 Application manager, which sounds streamlike. Other media things too but descriptions like "media player" or "video center" don't help identify features.	18:46
mgedmin	or tap on the globe-with-the-antenna icon	18:46
sciboy	Cool. =)	18:47
SE-Wilco2	Tak\|work: Nice work, quick answer.	18:47
sciboy	Do you recommend getting a second battery? My usage will usually involve flipping through offline documents and images... for 6 hours or more.	18:48
Tak\|work	for me, screen is the biggest battery user, followed by wifi	18:48
pupnik	sixpence: just because a program is stored in a .zip doesn't mean it runs on a PC	18:49
pupnik	hmm an external charger with 2nd battery might be a nice christmas present	18:50
sciboy	But what's the chances of it lasting 6 hours with the screen on, wifi off?	18:50
SE-Wilco2	I think 6 hours is too close to the edge for one charge, even with no WiFi and backlight on low. If you intend to do it often, you're likely to often be near the limit of one battery so a 2nd one seems needed.	18:50
Tak\|work	depends on brightness	18:50
pupnik	low brightness i often get 7-9 hours	18:50
sciboy	K, second battery it is then, which phone do I have to pretend to have when I goto the store and the sales person has no idea what an N800 is?	18:51
pupnik	http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+n770+battery	18:51
pupnik	BP-5l	18:51
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czr	british petrolium, 5 liters.	18:52
czr	don't forget to fire it up well.	18:52
sciboy	They use the same battery from the 770?	18:52
mgedmin	yes	18:52
SE-Wilco2	eBay search for N800 battery and charger. Anyone know if people are selling low-capacity batteries there or are those similar to stock battery?	18:52
mgedmin	I would wait a month or two before buying a second battery	18:52
mgedmin	see whether you really need it	18:53
mgedmin	I use my n800 for reading e-books, mostly, and the battery is enough for about 6-7 hours of that (wifi off)	18:53
mgedmin	never measured accurately	18:53
zoran	the only helper wold be new screen technology	18:54
sciboy	Me actually using it actively for 6+ hours is unlikely but happens every now and then.	18:54
zoran	*would	18:54
sciboy	Better to understand the risks from a worst case scenario.	18:54
SE-Wilco2	I saw on /. that someone came up with the idea of putting touchscreen on the bottom of such handheld devices. Good user interface idea; wonder if there's a USB touchpad I could fasten to my N800.	18:56
\|R	Tak\|work : back to previous version (negative buttons)	18:58
\|R	Tak\|work : though man6 is gone, /usr/share/doc/fceu is still there :) ... and i've always got this while dpkg -i: ln: /usr/share/man/man1/nes.1.gz: No such file or directory	18:59
Tak\|work	ok	19:00
sciboy	SE-Wilco2, http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/projects/soap/index.html	19:00
sciboy	Something you might find interesting. =)	19:01
zoran	pupnik, your links browser diffs from googlepages.com?	19:01
Tak\|work	meh, I might be satisfied with the nonpaletted buttons for now	19:01
Tak\|work	the erratic display corruption on exit is worrisome, though	19:02
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pupnik	no idea about googlepages zoran	19:03
Tak\|work	although I tend to believe it's an Xsp bug and not my fault, given that it's guaranteed to disable doubling (twice now!) on exit	19:03
pupnik	Tak\|work: pipeline also had some issues disabling xsp on his quake build - might be related to that	19:04
zoran	pupnik, one in applicationcatalog2006	19:04
\|R	Tak\|work : mostly only happen after a sleep anyway	19:04
\|R	Tak\|work : if you restart it and quit (if you can see your button to do that ;) it goes away	19:05
* SE-Wilco2 needs Bluetooth soap.		19:05
\|R	haha	19:05
pupnik	zoran: that version is non-graphical and has no stylus support	19:06
zoran	seems os	19:06
zoran	*so	19:06
zoran	cookies support?	19:06
pupnik	it won't be too much work to bundle in a keyboard	19:06
Tak\|work	pupnik: the function to disable the doubling is certainly being called; n800 just ignores it sometimes, apparently	19:07
pupnik	yes cookies	19:07
zoran	console version have not	19:07
zoran	*has	19:07
sciboy	SE-Wilco2, I love how it's pretty easy to build out of nothing spectular.	19:08
sciboy	spectacular*	19:08
pupnik	try it and let me know how it works for you zoran -	19:08
zoran	not this week	19:09
zoran	but k	19:09
sciboy	Night people.	19:10
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Tak\|work	\|R: I think I'm going to release vNegativeButtons	19:12
Tak\|work	deb's down to 300k with docs stripped	19:14
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pupnik	http://notaz.gp2x.de/gpfce.php Tak\|work	19:17
pupnik	ever look at that?	19:17
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SE-Wilco2	sciboy: Yes, I've often used my thumb to control an optical mouse. I just need to pick up a BT mouse; does the N800 recognize BT mice?	19:19
* SE-Wilco2 adjusts the spectulars on his face.		19:19
zoran	mouse, keyboard... why not 12.1 lapper?	19:20
Tak\|work	lol	19:20
Tak\|work	I'm not wasting any more of my time on gp ports	19:21
SE-Wilco2	What's a 12.1 lapper? A BT pedometer for half-marathons?	19:21
zoran	:)	19:21
SE-Wilco2	Ah. "Lapping, thinning and polishing of semiconductor substrates"?	19:24
zoran	is there (on the web, somewhere else) any howto, what is safe to remove from the device? langs files etc	19:24
zoran	lapper == notebook	19:24
SE-Wilco2	Closest thing to that for my N800 is the polishing I do of the touchscreen.	19:24
zoran	I mean, how much space could I get removing all those files, that localize the unit?	19:26
SE-Wilco2	OK. I haven't noticed a maemo deletion list.	19:26
zoran	I would delete ratherly a lot, but have a heart in my mouth to do so	19:27
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SE-Wilco2	zoran: Install on flash card, so you can test deletions on flash copy?	19:33
zoran	heh, after I learnt to reflash, I could survive any deletion	19:34
zoran	just my hars turns gray	19:35
zoran	*hair	19:35
* SE-Wilco2 feeds the bunnies		19:35
zoran	I presume the best way would be to hae a list of files and then point apt-get remove to it	19:35
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SE-Wilco2	zoran: Yes, please. That way your deletion list is both repeatable and shareable.	19:36
zoran	yap	19:36
czr	err. why?	19:37
zoran	I have time, but no nerves to do it after long week	19:37
czr	zoran, what's the point of deleting the files?	19:37
Tak\|work	apt won't remove individual files...	19:37
SE-Wilco2	Can you feed apt-get remove both names of packages and names of files?	19:37
zoran	770 is tight on memory	19:38
czr	use an memory card?	19:38
zoran	and I do believe so	19:38
zoran	I have it and all works fine with no swap on	19:38
SE-Wilco2	I think apt is likely to complain about deleting files which belong to other packages.	19:38
zoran	but... devil never sleeps	19:38
zoran	ah, you could be right	19:39
SE-Wilco2	Maybe the first file to delete is the apt database :-)	19:39
* mgedmin wouldn't		19:39
t_s_o	hmm, i think i need to get in touch with expansys about my 770 again. its been about a week now...	19:39
zoran	I'm surprised netbsd did not taka a chance to make a port	19:39
* SE-Wilco2 looks sternly at the camera and warns the kids.		19:39
zoran	bunnies?	19:40
zoran	I must say that I have no idea what is the purpose of a lot of binary files on 770	19:42
zoran	all those osso, hildon...	19:43
zoran	they are maemo specific and nomenclature fails for my little mind	19:43
Tak\|work	you probably want to keep it if it has osso or hildon in the filename...	19:43
zoran	must be	19:44
zoran	but I never user mail client or rss client or...	19:44
zoran	I use mutt and rawdog	19:44
zoran	and I don't listen to the music on 770, so sound is off there	19:45
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zoran	I would liek to remove those apps and have some of the kind I like	19:45
zoran	aladin around?	19:45
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SE-Wilco2	Hmm. My N800 charger emits 890 mA at 5V = 4450W. A Windbelt 40mW... i'd need about 10,000 Windbelts on my backpack to charge my N800. Yup, that's only usable for LED lighting tasks.	19:48
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t_s_o	err?	19:49
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zoran	how n800 wifi behaves, when leaving home net and going along different ap's?	19:51
zoran	does it try to connect them?	19:51
Tak\|work	omfg - does HildonNumberEditor really not have an event for value change?	19:52
mgedmin	doesn't it inherit one from whatever gtk widget it subclasses?	19:52
Tak\|work	heh, it's a direct subclass of GtkContainer	19:53
mgedmin	zoran: you get a popup dialog with a list of access points	19:53
t_s_o	SE-Wilco2: would that not be more like 4.45W?	19:53
SE-Wilco2	zoran: I think you have to click to choose a new AP if you haven't connected to it before. And if screen is asleep it won't ask, so won't connect.	19:53
Tak\|work	at least, according to the api doc	19:53
mgedmin	zoran: the n800 will never connect to an unknown network without asking you first	19:53
zoran	k, I always asked that myself; I liek the way 770 does the thing	19:54
suihkulokki	well, if you save a network called say "default" or "d-link", the n800 will connect to random networks..	19:54
SE-Wilco2	t_s_o: Right. mA, not A. oops. So only about 100 40mW generators needed.	19:54
mgedmin	suihkulokki: I think it remembers the access point's MAC	19:54
SE-Wilco2	s/100/10/	19:54
infobot	SE-Wilco2 meant: t_s_o: Right. mA, not A. oops. So only about 10 40mW generators needed.	19:54
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mgedmin	but I haven't actually tested that assumption	19:54
mgedmin	infobot: 4450/40 is closer to 111 than to 10	19:55
infobot	okay, mgedmin	19:55
* zoran goen to feed dragons		19:55
mgedmin	mmm, dragons	19:56
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t_s_o	hey, even the mythbusters gets their desimals wrong, so...	19:57
SE-Wilco2	Right. 111. So if I cover a cabin with 40 mW generators I might be able to charge my N800.	19:58
* SE-Wilco2 hopes zoran doesn't run out of goens soon. Dragons get cranky when not fed. Good thing dragons taste like chicken.		20:00
* SE-Wilco2 fetches a bowl of dragon stew.		20:02
SE-Wilco2	I think that's how Dinty Moore's grandpappy got started in the business.	20:03
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SE-Wilco2	I'm using Google Earth a lot. Is maemo using X11, so I could use a remote client window?	20:07
Tak\|work	yes	20:07
mgedmin	and no	20:07
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mgedmin	well, and yes, I suppose	20:07
mgedmin	but I haven't figured out how	20:08
mgedmin	there's no xauth on the device, so ssh x forwarding doesn't work very well	20:08
mgedmin	wait... I always tried to open maemo windows on my laptop, not the other way around	20:08
SE-Wilco2	Hmm. "configure --without-xauth as Maemo xserver doesnt require authentication" So xserver won't try to authenticate, thus the client can't start the protocol? Or could the client trust the maemo server?	20:12
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mgedmin	hmm	20:21
mgedmin	maemo's x server doesn't listen for TCP connections	20:21
mgedmin	so it's safe	20:21
mgedmin	only local processes can connect	20:22
mgedmin	and probably if you use osso-xterm to ssh -X somewhere else, you ought to be able to start X apps and have them appear on the n800's tiny screen	20:23
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pupnik	hahaha Scott Horton rocks	20:28
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SE-Wilco2	OK, so ssh -X might work. I'll try it when I'm near a Linux box.	20:38
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pupnik	Iyeeeeeeeee!!! A segmentation fault has occurred. Have a fluffy day.	21:02
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pupnik	does the new hildon inputmethod framework mean we can hack it to send generic X input to apps?	21:07
pupnik	*open-sourcing of	21:07
Iva1	Hi guys! How to get dictionaries for white stork?	21:07
pupnik	what is white stork?	21:08
Tak\|work	translation app iirc	21:08
Iva1	A linux dictionary tool.	21:08
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pupnik	clickoing on fceu ultra in maemo.org downloads (with a 770) gives me fceu_0.98.12-bora1.install	21:09
SE-Wilco2	pupnik: You mean like direct barcode scanner text as if it was typed in? That would be handy, so I'm watching for an answer too.	21:09
Tak\|work	ok, but what deb do you get?	21:10
Tak\|work	the install file references multiple repos	21:10
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pupnik	ok	21:10
Tak\|work	you should get -6 with os2006, or -bora3 with 2007HE	21:11
pupnik	Install? fceu 0.98.12-7 :)	21:12
pupnik	good deal	21:12
Tak\|work	hmm, or -7 I guess	21:12
* Tak\|work scratches head		21:12
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pupnik	heh i get segfault when i build it, but yours works	21:14
Tak\|work	huzzah!	21:15
Tak\|work	I wonder why	21:15
Tak\|work	my libglade-d xmaeme is about ready for release as well	21:16
pupnik	nm, it's because i'm an eediot	21:17
pupnik	when i builded fceu i got 885900 bytes stripped fceu bin (gregale)	21:20
pupnik	yours is 724220	21:21
pupnik	CFLAGS = -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer	21:21
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pupnik	Tak\|work: any further CFLAGS i should be using? -O?	21:21
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zuh	-OMG	21:23
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pupnik	my build is like 4x slower	21:24
pupnik	sound doesn't work	21:24
pupnik	onscreenbuttons don't work	21:25
pupnik	j'accuse tak of not upping the sources he used to garage	21:26
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* SE-Wilco2 wonders what a non-techie would read in that sentence.		21:32
pupnik	aha i am getting default xscale,yscale=2	21:32
Tak\|work	the flags I'm using are in configure.in	21:32
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Tak\|work	and the configure flags are in debian/rules	21:33
Tak\|work	basically you want to run ./configure --with-xsp --with-esd	21:33
Tak\|work	and that will set your CFLAGS correctly	21:33
pupnik	mkay thank-ye	21:33
pupnik	--with-esd breaks compile, --with-xsp works	21:35
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Tak\|work	breaks compile? how so?	21:35
pupnik	drivers/sexyal/sexyal.o: In function `CanWrite':sexyal.c:(.text+0x48): undefined reference to `SexyALI_OSS_RawCanWrite'	21:35
pupnik	and three more errors in SexyALI_OSS	21:35
Tak\|work	make clean all ?	21:35
pupnik	ah ok	21:36
pupnik	ty	21:36
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pupnik	yeey works fine	21:39
* Tak\|work ^5		21:39
Tak\|work	you going to do some fceu hacking?	21:40
pupnik	snuffling would be a better word	21:40
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Tak\|work	aww :-P	21:41
Tak\|work	anybody want to test shiny new xmaeme?	21:44
pupnik	i built gpfce and am swapping-in .o files before linking	21:44
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Tak\|work	heh - sounds like a recipe for disaster	21:44
pupnik	yep	21:44
Tak\|work	but hooray if it works :-)	21:44
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pupnik	actually runs with the gpfce ncpu.o and ppu098.o	21:48
Tak\|work	any performance improvement?	21:49
pupnik	will get back to you on that	21:52
Tak\|work	that sounds like a "no" :-P	21:53
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pupnik	looking for showFPS enable	21:53
pupnik	is it a cmdline switch?	21:54
pupnik	31-32 fps zelda intro	21:56
pupnik	34	21:56
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pupnik	define ShowFPS in src/video.c	21:57
pupnik	btw wb ssvb	21:57
sp3000	mmph ff fvbmb	21:58
sp3000	:)	21:58
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pupnik	no no speed diff.	22:01
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pupnik	wait started wrong file	22:02
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flip^	well, it could probably do with that kind of wipe too	22:30
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sixpence	Is there a more leight weight media player for the n770 that can connect to a shared internet stream on the network like Canola does?	23:03
sixpence	light*	23:03
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SE-Wilco2	There are a number of radio stations streaming in web windows. How does "Stream the world" emit sound?	23:10
SE-Wilco2	The web streaming is probably not a shared stream, but an individual IP stream.	23:11
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Tak\|work	pupnik: so...is there a verdict?	23:22
Tak\|work	sixpence: have you tried glurp?	23:22
pupnik	only thing i found so far is that changing sound rate and buffers in drivers/esd.c has no effect on sound stuttering	23:24
pupnik	and integrating the 6502 asm core requires real work	23:24
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pupnik	and no, no fps changes	23:24
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pupnik	anyway the sound blerpyness is upstream from the sdl/esd/sexyal stuff	23:25
Tak\|work	oh yes, yes it is	23:25
Tak\|work	I could have told you not to waste your time messing with the esd driver	23:25
pupnik	i think you did a few months ago	23:26
Tak\|work	I spent several days doing nothing but trying to tweak params	23:26
Tak\|work	I'm convinced that the only thing that will fix the sound on 770, short of arm-asm core, is a dsp task for the sound emulation	23:26
Tak\|work	not the output driver, but the generation of the output, seems to be the real bottleneck	23:27
pupnik	yea	23:27
Tak\|work	it seems to take equivalent (or maybe more(!)) time to generate 1/30s of audio as to generate 1/30s of video	23:28
Tak\|work	if only our ears were as easily fooled as our eyes; we could knock the sample rate down to 30Hz ;-)	23:29
pupnik	hehe	23:30
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pupnik	this is just bugging the heck out of me	23:32
Tak\|work	are you running from CLI or xmaeme?	23:34
pupnik	dcli	23:34
pupnik	cli	23:34
Tak\|work	using the -nothrottle flag?	23:35
pupnik	just tried with nothrottle - looked about the same actually	23:35
Tak\|work	ah - I notice a moderate increase in sound quality with -nothrottle	23:36
Tak\|work	but I suspect it's highly dependent on current tablet load, etc	23:36
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pupnik	FlushEmulateSound in sound.c returns the primary buffer size - tweaking that changes the length of the blerps	23:48
pupnik	i.e. return(end) -> return(end*2)	23:48
pupnik	what controls the actual frequency of the sound emulation though?	23:49
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Tak\|work	the rate is set in the sound driver	23:49
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Tak\|work	iirc I have it hardcoded to something insanely low	23:50
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