IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-10-12

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tb0n3anybody know if there's a SIRF III compatible gps daemon for debian?00:15
tb0n3cause I'm runnin down somewhere but I'm taking a different route and would love to have my gps but was windows based and .net 2.000:15
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FormalDoes the amount of swap u dedicate for virtual mem only depend on the size of the memory card?00:22
milhouseno, there are hard limits - 64MB on 770 and 128MB on N80000:22
FormalOr does the os put a limitation on it?00:23
milhouseeven if you have a 2GB partition on an N800, you still won't be allowed to create a swap file larger than 128MB00:23
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FormalDo u know why that is? Is it to save cpu/battery life?00:24
milhouseyou might be able to create a swap file larger than 128MB manually, but I think the device will crash; you may have more luck with a swap partition >128MB, but then you can't unmount the card (which basically means you can't remove the battery cover while the device is booted)00:24
suihkulokkiumm incorrect00:25
milhouseFormal: I don't why the limits are there, but it's probably no coincidence that the maximum swap file size matches the amount of physical ram on each device00:25
milhousesuijkilokki: probably :)00:25
infobotmilhouse meant: suihkulokki: probably :)00:25
suihkulokkiyou can create as big swapfile as you want, if you do it by hand00:25
suihkulokkiand it will get automatically used/unused if you call it .swap00:26
milhousei think i've seen people say they've done this, and the devices crap out00:26
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suihkulokkihowever, big swapfiles are not really usefull00:26
suihkulokkiif your system ends up trashing hard, it come slow as hell00:27
FormalThanks guys, i've been wondering about this, but i still haven't received my new mem card00:27
milhouseif you've got an N800... make sure you have the new kernel :)00:27
FormalJust means more storage for media00:27
Formal770 for me00:28
tb0n3770 has a kernel for highspeed/2GB memorycards00:28
tb0n3just installed it last night00:28
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FormalSweet, thats what's on the way00:28
tb0n3well, you have to install the kernel00:29
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FormalWhat version is it?00:29
Tb0n3don't remember, 1 second00:29
Tb0n3zImage-su-18-200639-2gb-mmcplus52Mhz is the file00:30
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Tb0n3only for the mmcmobile I think though00:30
FormalAlrighty can the file be found in the maemo garage?00:31
_Monkeyhas many hacks on his website
milhousecheck there ^00:31
Tb0n3there we go00:31
Tb0n3didn't remember00:31
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Tb0n3though there's a hannoushe jewelers around here, don't know if I'm spelling that right.00:32
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milhouseFanoush is a jewel in the NIT hacking community... (sorry)00:33
FormalI've only had my 770 for a week, but i've been rather busy putting together a theme00:33
FormalI'll post em when they are complete00:33
FormalI'm quite please with the little device00:34
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FormalJust wish i had some programming skills00:35
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Formal...Damn all that time in rt school!00:36
pupnikuh fan... is a serious hacker00:39
pupnikwe don't have many of those00:39
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FormalHas anybody tried recruiting some of the developers from jlime720?00:41
FormalThey are all a hard working bunch00:41
pupnik720 = ?00:41
FormalHP Jornada 72000:42
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alteregoYeah, who needs serious hackers when you have idiots like me! :)00:43
* alterego foams at the mouf00:43
Tb0n3so, the archos 605 looks neat00:43
playyais it hard to code bluetooth stuff with python fpr n800?00:45
alteregoplayya, be the first and tell us ;)00:46
playyathat sounds funny00:46
alteregoThat's odd, my jokes are usually rubbish ..00:46
suihkulokkiplayya: have you coded bluetooth stuff on your pc?00:46
playyabut i first i buy good python book00:46
playyai dont think so00:46
playyaok thx00:47
suihkulokkiplayya: it should be as easy/hard to develop pybluez stuff on pc than on n800. the api is same.00:48
playyathinking about a n800 remote tool for mms00:48
FormalThat 605 does look kinda fun00:49
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playyanice but too expensive00:49
playyamy next device is a openmoko00:49
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FormalWhat does it cost?00:50
Tb0n3$300 for openmoko00:51
Tb0n3with dev00:51
Tb0n3that's what I read last on their site00:51
playya$300 for the pre relaesed dev version without gsm, umts, wlan,...00:51
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playyaand all 150 devices are sold00:52
pupnikalterego: you've done very useful stuff in a short time00:52
FormalOpen moko seems cool, but i just want an asus eee00:52
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playyai want the next n80000:53
Tb0n3asus eee00:53
Tb0n3they didn't keep their promises00:53
FormalAnd u laugh because?00:53
pupnikasus doesn't fit in pocket, nokia does00:53
playyaeeePc is with win?00:53
FormalYah thts what made me get a 77000:54
FormalEeepc come with some linux distro to start out00:54
pupniknothing... nothing comes close to a nokia for me00:54
FormalYou can install win if u wanted00:55
milhouseyet :)00:55
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Tb0n34GB hdd00:55
milhouses/yet/@pupnik: yet/00:55
infobotmilhouse meant: @pupnik: yet :)00:55
pupnikyeah i know00:55
Tb0n3also, they laughed at their low prices and said woops00:55
pupnikthey will get competition in 200800:55
FormalThe new 800 would be more virtual keyboard00:55
milhousecome on 2008... hurry up!!00:56
pupnikyes check the intel roadmap - the bastards will have almost-useful portable cpus in 2008 and 200900:56
FormalI dunno what i would do with my 770 when it does come out00:57
milhousei like to fondle mine from time to time (my 770 that is)00:57
Tb0n3mmmm, 77000:57
pupniknever selling mine00:57
milhouseit reminds me how fugly and heavy the N800 is, and how I miss the hard cover...00:57
FormalFor $130 new i couldn't pass it up00:57
Tb0n3I never can figure out what to do with the case when I wanna use it right00:57
Tb0n3same here00:58
milhousemine is priceless :)00:58
Tb0n3mine was 140 but with 1GB mmcmobile card00:58
playyai have a logitech diNovo right to my n80000:58
Tb0n3carry around much?00:58
Tb0n3I wish I had the money to get a bluetooth portable keyboard00:58
Tb0n3also a zaurus cl-r320000:58
alteregoI'm not sure I'd have a use for a BT keyboard.00:59
milhousei bought one of those - stopped using it within the first week00:59
playyaIm not allowed to carry the n80000:59
alteregoI don't do much typing on the device.00:59
FormalMmc cards are way to hard to find in stores00:59
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FormalHave u ever played aound with a zaurus?00:59
pupnikzaurus was nice but $80000:59
milhouseit was too much hassle to unpack the bt keyboard (it's a stowaway sierra folding job) and easier to use the vkb00:59
Tb0n3no, never used a zaurus01:00
Tb0n3but it was my other choice before I saw the 77001:00
Tb0n3well, the SL-500001:00
playyaa friend of mine has an old one01:00
Tb0n3err 550001:00
Tb0n3built in keyboard and such01:01
playyavery nice01:01
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FormalThe price always kept me away from the zaurus01:01
FormalI'm ruff with portables01:01
playyaand zaurus ars only available in japan :(01:01
Tb0n3if I won the lottery I would have soooooo much shit I wouldn't have a day without something new01:01
playyai love portables too01:02
playyajust playing coding...01:02
Tb0n3I've got myself a PSPcf01:02
Tb0n3which is nice, but now I have me a 77001:02 is a good importer01:02
playyapsp is too expensive01:02
Tb0n3I play me sum free games01:03
Tb0n3for free01:03
Formalat least u get a warrenty01:03
Tb0n3also FF701:03
Tb0n3I have never broken anything I've owned01:03
Tb0n3unless I took it apart01:03
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FormalLucky you!01:03
Tb0n3<3 taking things apart01:04
kuzewAnyone know if they have kdm or gdm compiled for n770/800 so one can pick between the native window manager, XFCE and KDE via a nice gui?01:04
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Tb0n3what about keyboard?01:05
Tb0n3it just seems like it wouldn't work better than the original01:05
playyaerr the n800 has a special X server01:05
alteregoIt's special?01:05
playyamight be hard to build this01:05
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playyai dont know how to say01:06
playyaadjusted X01:06
playyabetter word01:06
pupnikyes but the xserver is independent from the windowmanager01:07
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playyai thought about porting e but not at the moment01:09
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Tb0n3if I felt like getting used to e I'm sure I'd like it01:12
Tb0n3but I like to have a manual01:12
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alteregoI don't see the alure of E01:17
alteregoI'm happy with Gnome.01:18
alteregoIn fact, I lurve gnome :P01:18
Tb0n3I love xfce01:20
Tb0n3it is gnome lite01:21
Jitenplayya: there are several e libs ported already I think. Some people are doing fancy stuff with them.01:23
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Jitenplayya: like this one
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k-s[WORK]it's me01:24
amr770 has crashed trying to install kagu01:25
amrits making the noises when i press the touchscreen but everything else is locked up01:25
amrshould i just pull the battery?01:26
pupnikpress power button for 6 seconds01:26
Tb0n3that never works pup01:26
pupnikworks here01:26
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amrooh just as i pressed it01:27
amrthe bar started moving again01:27
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amrgreat, now kagu scanner is doing nothing01:30
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amroh it is, its crashing my tablet :D01:32
amrit just rebooted itself01:32
FormalKagu wouldn't work for me either. Canola works great01:32
amrcanola locked up on me too01:33
amrrefused to scan01:33
amrit worked a couple weeks ago though01:33
Tb0n3how do I set device permissions?01:33
Tb0n3in debian/ubuntu01:33
k-s[WORK]amr: canola-conf may hang if you have some id3/exif that breaks it01:34
k-s[WORK]amr: we have no protection against that :-(01:34
amrhm, how do i check without going through each file01:34
alteregoAnyone working on hildon integration with glade yet?01:35
alterego(think I might do it myself)01:35
amrpygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga01:35
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amrand kagu bombs01:35
amrim having all the luck in the world ^__^01:36
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disqwonder why kagu won't work01:40
disqyou're trying 1.0.8, right?01:40
amrill try wiping the files i added to my card recently01:40
disqif kagu-scanner doesn't finish properly it won't really work though01:41
amryeah, it forced a reboot01:41
disqyou should find out why scanner won't work. there should be a crash log in MyDocs01:41
amroh ok01:41
Tb0n3man, make verbose is just too much01:41
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amrhere we go01:42
amrhaha, unable to open01:42
disqkaguscanner-lastcrash is for the scanner01:43
disqif there's something there, try (or you could spam #kagu as well :) )01:43
amrkagu-lastcrash.log in MyDocs01:44
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amrsame error as i posted above01:44
amrpygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga01:44
disqno kaguscanner-lastcrash.log? when you run scanner what happens?01:44
amrit presents me with the dialog, download album art etc01:45
amri press ok01:45
amrit says scanning /media/mmc101:45
amrthen it just locks up01:45
amri think i might have removed the offending files01:46
amrill try again01:46
amrim assuming its the same error as canola01:46
disqyou could run "cd /usr/lib/kagu; ./" from xterm and follow it there. there should be verbose messages so it should help01:46
amrok ill try it after this scan now01:46
disqok :)01:47
amrno progress bar activity, just displaying 'looking for files in /media/mmc1/01:47
disqcanola's id3 stuff doesn't work flawlessly for me. misses some tags and all. kagu uses a different lib01:47
k-s[WORK]amr: you can disable canola-applet, kill canola-conf and run it with debug01:47
k-s[WORK]amr: CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v01:48
k-s[WORK]disq: which lib do u use?01:48
amrill have to put canola back on01:48
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k-s[WORK]disq: we use maemo's provided library :-(01:48
amrlooks like its locked up again01:48
k-s[WORK]disq: we could use the same tech as amarok does01:48
k-s[WORK]disq: have 2 process, one to monitor01:48
k-s[WORK]disq: the scanner process would notify every file it process01:49
disqamr: weird. please try the xterm, if there's a glitch somewhere i'd like to fix it before the next release :)01:49
k-s[WORK]if it takes more than X seconds, then kill the process and restart with the next item in the list01:49
k-s[WORK]possible blacklist that item01:49
disqi don't like canola's autoscan on mmc-mount behavior01:49
k-s[WORK]disq: disable it01:50
k-s[WORK]disq: gconf-editor01:50
disqi should, now that i don't use canola at all :P01:50
k-s[WORK]AFAIR it's possible to disable it there01:50
k-s[WORK]you'll like the next version01:50
k-s[WORK]it will be in python too01:50
k-s[WORK]and hopefully we'll be able to accept plugins01:51
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disqdisabled. mmm. do you have a timeframe?01:51
k-s[WORK]the first version was able, but due license restrictions we couldn't release the header files and like01:51
k-s[WORK] :-(01:51
disqlike, in 6 months? 2 years?01:51
k-s[WORK]disq: we should finish it by december, first betas by next year01:51
k-s[WORK]we're slow, but not that much!01:51
k-s[WORK]disq: part of the time we spent working on EFL01:52
k-s[WORK]the UI infrastructure we'll use01:52
disqEFL stuff is exciting01:52
k-s[WORK]way better than SDL01:52
amrok is running01:52
amrpreparing, looking for files01:52
disqwe'll probably use GTK for 2.001:52
k-s[WORK]I'm trying to make python-efl as good as possible01:52
k-s[WORK]disq: :-(01:52
amrexception accessing manager and friends01:52
amrprefs: exception accessing manager and friends01:53
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amrthats it so far01:53
disqthat's no error :) OK the dialog and go on01:53
amri did01:53
amrits running now01:53
disqokay.. let's see where it hangs01:53
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amrwhen i minimise the term to go back to the scanner the bar is greyd and the text is gone01:54
amrif that makes any difference01:54
MoheroHi all.01:54
_MonkeyHi all. is there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye?01:54
disqit's scanner's bad gtk code, something i'm responsible for. shouldn't effect the scanning process01:54
Moherojust a quick question, is Maeomo only for Nikia handsets, or will it run on PDA's based on Intel Processors?01:54
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amrstill going01:55
disqmaemo is by definition for "nokia internet tablets" but some parts of maemo will be used in the upcoming Intel MID devices01:55
disq(like the hildon desktop)01:55
Moheroin that case do you kow of a good project that does run on intel based PDA's01:56
Moheropreferably one that has Cell / SMS working...01:56
Moheroif you don't then that's ok, i'm just curious and WM6 is far far far too slow....01:57
disqyou mean the windows-mobile devices. nothing comes to mind01:57
Moheroand it's my only windows based *thing*01:57
Moherook, thanks anyway01:57
amrstill scanning :p01:58
amrthe screen went black01:58
amrnow im back to the terminal01:59
amrstill running02:00
disqmaybe it just takes too long. downloading images from takes a while02:01
amroh ok02:01
amractually that might be it, i think my connection is a bit funny02:02
amrshall i end this and try again with no cover downloading?02:02
disqif you can't bear it, yeah sure02:02
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disqa ctrl+c won't break anything db-wise02:03
amrwell it took me a good dozen times to get the tablet to actually connect to download kagu02:03
amrso i wouldnt be surprised if it cant download cover art02:03
amrnow its not responding to input02:04
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amrheh, screen backed out again with a grey bar going across02:05
disqjust ctrl+c a few times on the xterm02:06
amryeah im running it again now02:08
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disqi should just make the actual scanner a seperate thread02:11
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amrhm im back to my desktop02:14
amrblack title bar, xterm still highlighted on the left02:14
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amrblank* title bar02:15
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disqif the prompt isn't back on the xterm that means it's still scanning/calculating02:16
amra message box has popped up, but its blank :p02:17
disqthat's just weird, shouldn't be :)02:17
disqif it doesn't come back just kill it and try running kagu02:17
amri cant do anything02:18
amrthe left bar has whited out02:18
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amrthe shortcuts on the right of xterm have been whited02:18
disqmemory issues?02:18
amri have no idea02:18
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amrhaha, the message was 'not responding'02:19
amrkagu scanner was killed apparently02:19
disqmemory? swap?02:19
amri have swap on02:19
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Tb0n3:( source files for ubuntu lack so hard02:25
Tb0n3and all02:25
Tb0n3debian, I "make" something, it makes just fine02:25
Tb0n3I try to make me sum gpsd and I get this...
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amrwhen i run from xterm02:30
k-s[WORK]amr: don't run it02:30
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k-s[WORK]amr: it's just a dbus call02:30
k-s[WORK]amr: you'll get no debug02:30
amrhow do i run the rescan?02:30
k-s[WORK]amr: instead, kill canola-conf and disable canola-applet (to avoid relaunching canola-conf)02:31
k-s[WORK]amr: now go to Xterm and run:02:31
k-s[WORK]CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v02:31
k-s[WORK]it should print SQL queries about files it process02:31
Tb0n3didn't have ncurses02:31
k-s[WORK]usually it check if file already exist in DB02:31
k-s[WORK]and retrieve it's mtime02:32
amrhm it wont die02:32
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amroh ok nevermind02:33
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k-s[WORK]amr: close canola and canola-applet02:33
k-s[WORK]it uses dbus activation to restart it02:33
infobotk-s[WORK] meant: they uses dbus activation to restart it02:33
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amrglib warning, canola 16384 main.c:106:main Failed to open connection to bus: Unable to determine address of the message bus02:35
k-s[WORK]amr: run from run-standalone.sh02:36
k-s[WORK]CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v02:36
amrok 1 min02:36
amrgot result code 2 from requesting nam02:37
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k-s[WORK]no :-/02:42
disqi think it's your device/setup somehow02:43
amrits recently flashed02:43
k-s[WORK]amr: it should run and print lots of sql queries :-P02:43
amrthis is frustrating02:44
amrcanola definitely worked02:44
amri used it on holiday, same card02:44
amrsame music files02:44
disqcould you run "free" and see how much free mem you have?02:44
amrok min02:44
amrugh, control panel has crashed02:45
amrmem: total 62224 used 60612 free 161202:48
amrswap: total 24568 used 0 free 2456802:48
amrand if i try to go to the memory bit in control panel02:49
amrthings lock up02:49
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disqweird i have 62200 total :) (5404 free)02:50
amris my device broken?02:50
amryep, memory in the control panel locks up the device02:50
disqno idea. did you try a cold boot? (unplugging the battery and plugging it back)02:50
amrill try now02:51
disqlatest(-ish) 770 firmware, right?02:51
amrthe latest02:51
_Monkeyi heard the latest was 0.5.1a and it contains maemo 1.1 :
disq_Monkey: forget latest02:51
_Monkeydisq: I forgot latest02:51
amrok its booted02:52
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disqtry it all now :)02:52
amrsame as before02:52
amrbut free is 297202:52
amrtotal is 62224 for mem02:52
amrand opening the memory bit02:53
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amrmakes it crash again02:53
amrtrying to get on to the virtual tab so i can turn off swap and then turn it on again02:54
disqcould disable swap altogether, could be the mmc02:54
disqyour initial free memory is too low i think02:54
amryeah, whats sucking that up?02:55
amrcan i turn swap off from xterm02:55
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disqyeah, run swapoff (as root)02:55
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amrswapoff .swap on /media/mmc102:58
amrand i get its a readonly filesyste02:58
disq"swapoff /media/mmc1/.swap" works here02:59
amrnope, i get read only filesystem :S02:59
amroh dear02:59
amri cant make folders02:59
disqsee dmesg output03:00
Luriais there a man files deb package03:00
Luriasounds like youre mounted ro :-)03:00
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amryeah i think the card is a bit broken03:00
amrit has done this before03:00
disqat least it's not the device03:00
amrtrue, i have 2 broken cards now though03:01
Luriabtw, am i nuts or does wifi on the 770 suck in comparison to the n80003:01
amrone mmc-mobile doesnt get read by my card reader so i cant do anything with it03:01
disqcards often come with lifetime warranties03:01
amrim hoping so03:01
Luriaor do i have a bad 770?03:01
amrfilesystem panic on the card03:02
disqLuria: could be a number of things. slow mmc access? heavy site that strains the 770's cpu?03:02
Luriai was setting it(770) up for my mother and it wouldnt pick up the networks as easily as my n80003:02
alteregoHmmm ..03:02
amrmin while i type out the output03:02
Luriaout of the box 77003:03
Luriastock 64mb card03:03
amr[90.043426] FAT: filesystem panic (dev mmcblk0p1)03:03
amr[90.043487]  fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)03:03
amryeah, theres 3 of those entries03:04
amrwhat should i do03:04
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Luriaback up what you can and do a real reformat with something thatll mark bad sectors would be my approach03:05
amrim hoping my macbook can do that03:06
Luriabut thats me :-)03:06
Luriagah macbooks dont have any flash slots03:06
Luriai hate that03:06
amryeah i use a little adaptor03:06
Luriahuh. maemo doesnt have format?03:07
Luriaie the command03:07
disqthe file manager app can format the mmc03:08
Jitenis the issue that was corrupting SD-cards with n800 fixed for 770 kernel too?03:08
amr** /dev/rdisk1s103:08
amrthis doesnt sound too hot03:08
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Jitenamr: I mean that sounds it might be the kernel bug that (combined with buggy card) busted quite a few cards.03:10
Luriaany one know of a man/manpages deb?03:10
amrJiten, wasnt that for n800s?03:10
Luriadoes that affect rsmmc cards?03:10
amri have a 770 and its an rsmmc03:11
Jitenit was a kernel bug related to power management03:11
Jitenit was lowering the card's voltage before the card was done.03:11
Jitensince the bug was in the kernel, I'd think it might affect 770 too03:11
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Jiten the problem and fix is explained at the very end03:13
Jitenanyway, I'm off to sleep.03:14
amroh man ill do that tomorrow03:14
amrits 1:15am03:14
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amrVolume passed verification03:17
amrlets see if it mounts03:17
disqi should go to bed too. night.03:17
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amrnight disq03:18
amrthanks for the help guys03:18
Luriabad interview today. fortunately, its a job i dont think i want03:18
Luriasigh, so it goes.03:18
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* |R just got bluetooth working on his linux station, need to try stuff :)03:41
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Tb0n3hey |R03:42
|Rhey there :)03:42
Tb0n3I'm trying to get gps and nav working on my laptop cause I need it tomorrow03:42
Tb0n3I forgot I needed it to pick up my g/f, and I installed linux03:42
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|Rwhy do you need it?03:43
Tb0n3whenever you do something like that it's a bitch cause there's ALWAYS something you forget03:43
Tb0n3cause I'm going to take a / route rather than -|03:43
|Rok :)03:43
Tb0n3it freaking got my gps position03:43
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Tb0n3well, roadnav <3 now I guess03:50
Tb0n3free maps03:51
Tb0n3gps supported03:51
Tb0n3all good03:51
Tb0n3Chaquita NY03:51
Tb0n3Chaquita Banana03:51
Tb0n3Banananana fo fana03:52
Tb0n3fe fi fo fana03:52
Tb0n3I would love one for the 77003:53
Tb0n3is there?03:53
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|Ra banana for the n700?04:00
doublecmaemo mapper?04:01
_Monkeyrumour has it maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor.
doublecI use it - it's good04:01
|Ryep, tried it (without GPS) it's fun :)04:01
|RI need to get my SD card and setup the japanese dictionary and this for tokyo for when i'll go there ;)04:01
Tb0n3I'm totally gonna be mapped up04:01
Tb0n3useful as hell04:02
|R"So how was japan !?" "oh, nice n800 screen..."04:02
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Tb0n3oh, I had it installed already04:06
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Tb0n3:( maemomapper ain't work fo me04:12
Tb0n3read that it crashes on virtual earth repos04:14
Tb0n3there they are04:14
Tb0n3lol england04:14
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doubleci use the google maps repos04:16
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Tb0n3just closed again04:19
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Tb0n3not openstreet?04:19
Tb0n3nope, route closes it04:21
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Tb0n3freakin <3 getting email on my handheld device04:31
Tb0n3<3 you guys04:31
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|Ranyone has used the xkbd-bthid in Maemo 3.2 ?04:37
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Tb0n3lol "I was heading to my boyfriends to 'celebrate' the fourth of july, packed a bottle of liquor." yeah, sure, you whore, you were going to have teh sex04:42
Tb0n3teh sechs04:43
Tb0n3oh god, it knows where the fuck I live04:49
|Rand where would that be? (i mean, if TV knows, it's somewhere online already right haha;)04:49
|Roh and don't forget to paste you social security number...04:50
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Tb0n3I went to get directions between two places that go through all the maps I've d/led04:55
Tb0n3and it downloads a state that's 200 miles too south04:55
|Rso you're in vermont? :P04:57
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Tb0n3how'd you guess05:00
Tb0n3well, atm new york05:01
Tb0n3going to vermont05:01
Tb0n3nowhere near going to ct05:01
Tb0n3or MA05:01
|Rcome to montreal, we have a /. party on sunday ;)05:01
Tb0n3wel, I'm actually heading to california next saturday05:01
Tb0n3well, saturday after this05:01
Tb0n320th to the 27th05:02
Tb0n3gonna use my 770 for sure05:02
Tb0n3and possibly my psp05:02
Tb0n3cause it hass games05:02
Tb0n3listening to my 770's kagu with Sennheiser HD280s05:02
|Rare there any better headphones with mic. that we can use ?05:03
|Ri was hoping to see some progress on bluetooth headsets... i'd really love to be able to call from bars with my VoIP setup :)05:03
Tb0n3you can get HD280s and a mic kit05:03
Tb0n3what do you use for voip?05:03
Tb0n3I need that05:03
|Rasterisk :)05:03
|Rrtcomm on the n80005:04
|Ri need to find a way to secure my traffic though (tunnel it back home safely) as rtcomm doesn't even support md5secret so everyone can easily sniff my pass: /05:04
|Ri'd rather not get a huge bill next month :P05:04
Tb0n3holy hell05:04
Tb0n3kagu uses processes like a bitch05:05
|RI've heard there is a bug though, rtcomm only sends data to the wireless card directly, skipping tun0 if you use OpenVPN05:05
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Tb0n3where da asterisk05:08
_Monkeyrumour has it the asterisk is already the newest version05:08
Tb0n3_Monkey forget asterisk05:08
_MonkeyTb0n3: I forgot asterisk05:08
|Rno, tun0 in ifconfig :)05:09
Tb0n3oh god05:09
Tb0n3roadnav you have failed me05:09
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Tb0n3that can't possibly be right05:11
Tb0n32.5 hours to get someplace that's 1.5 hours away from a place which is 2 hours away from me?05:11
Tb0n3my computer just said Test Phrase05:12
Tb0n3like a robot05:12
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Tb0n3:O satelite photos05:14
Tb0n3teh hax05:15
Tb0n3but srsly, where's asterisk?05:17
zerojayThe same place you left it.05:20
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Tb0n3I like making a * in handwriting mode05:20
hillctgood evening all05:22
hillcti just got an n800 and ame trying to get a handle on the various non-gui apps05:22
|Rthat would be ssh / busybox ?05:23
hillcti take it there's a terminal app or sudo facility but i don't see it05:23
hillct|R: yes, and various daemons, thttpd, etc05:23
|Rinstall openssh or osso-xterm05:23
Tb0n3ssh root@localhost05:23
Tb0n3or sudo gainroot05:24
Tb0n3when you get becomeroot05:24
|RTb0n3 : he need a shell first ;)05:24
hillct|R: openssh is itself a terminal app?05:24
|Rhillct : no but you'll be able to access the n800 remotely05:24
|Rit's an ssh server05:24
hillctright. Of course. that makes sense05:24
|Rwell actually there is openssh-client and openssh-server05:24
|Rget both ;)05:24
hillcthow do i start installed daemons at boot?05:25
|Rin /etc/rc2.d/05:25
|Rare you familiar with linux?05:25
hillctonce I get to a console, I'm set05:25
|Rhehe ok :)05:25
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|Rthen ssh right in!05:26
|Rchange the root pass...05:26
_Monkey|R: that doesn't look right05:26
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hillctam I missing the point where sshd gets started/05:26
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hillctor is it added to rc scripts as part of the package install?05:26
|Rit should be running after install?05:26
|R(that's what i have here)05:27
penguinbaitanyone priinting yet?05:33
penguinbaitguess thats a noo05:35
hillctok. next dumb question. I take it there's a default username I should be using for ssh. What's the default userid/password?05:36
hillctI take it all this basic stuff is documented somewhere...05:36
_Monkeyhmmm... rootme is the default pw?05:36
penguinbaitfor root05:36
penguinbaituser has no pwd05:37
hillctI never figured it would be that trivial05:37
hillctthis is cool05:37
hillctthere are cdrom and floppy mount points? Damn05:38
Tb0n3<3 nokia and their dedication to opensorse05:38
Tb0n3open sores05:38
hillctthis f$%ing ROCKS!05:39
penguinbaiti am running kde,  on n800 now05:39
[31d1]how do you input text?05:39
penguinbaiton screen keyboard, or external05:40
penguinbaitits not as nice as hildon inputs though05:40
[31d1]the regular 770 keybo ... oh theres a kde one?05:41
penguinbaitbut useeable05:41
|Rhillct : yep, wait until you have it loaded with all sort of crap all in your pocket ;)05:41
Tb0n3how slow is it?05:41
hillctis osso-xterm an actual terminal so if I attach a keyboard I can work locally on the pad?05:41
Tb0n3and remotely05:42
penguinbaitits not slow05:42
hillctwhat's the state of available SIP clients?05:42
|Rhillct : i have rtcomm connecting to my asterisk05:43
|Rhillct : and a bt kbd for the term etc05:43
hillctbt kbd?05:43
|Rit's basically a good little umpc ;)05:43
|Rbluetooth keyboard :)05:43
hillctOMG. hadn't considered that...05:43
penguinbaitits a  real  computer05:43
* |R is waiting for a 32G sdhc :P05:44
hillctI'm probably going to try building Callweaver PBX for it05:44
hillctcurrently, I'm running my callweaver installation on an NSLU2 arm box05:45
zerojayI've wanted one of those for a while.05:47
zerojayToo bad I've already out grown it. :/05:47
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hillctzerojay: in favor of what?05:49
FormalHas anybody used their IT as a bt keyboard on their pc?05:49
FormalI cant't get it tto pair. It times out way too quick05:50
zerojayhillct: Just using my PC.05:50
zerojayAs a Samba box.05:50
zerojayNSLU2 only has 2 USB ports.05:50
FormalI followed the directions @ mulliner.org05:50
|RFormal : i'd be interested in knowing how to use my PC to be a keyboard over bt to my n800 though ;)05:50
zerojayTwo less than I need.05:51
|R(so i don't have to take out the small bt kbd at home ;)05:51
hillctzerojay: that's what they make USB hubs for05:51
|Rjust got a cirago bt-0321 adapter, this thing is so freaking small05:51
FormalYou can ssh into the 800 and use yer pc keyboard05:51
|RFormal : i know, but for the graphical interface...05:52
hillctFormal: uh... yeah, but what fun is that05:52
zerojayhillct: I've heard that they have problems with the NSLU2.05:52
FormalI want bt to pc so i can use my 770 as a midi controller05:52
|Rchaos-pad custom-style :)05:52
hillctzerojay: default firmware does have issues. But who uses the default firmware? Use SlugOS/be05:53
zerojayEven with that.05:53
FormalSorta i just want the xkbdbthidwrapper to work05:53
hillctI've been running it with an 8 port usb hub from day one05:53
hillctno issues05:53
FormalI've already mae the script for my pc to use it a an ableton live controller05:54
zerojayOthers have.05:54
zerojayRather not take the risk.05:54
zerojayMaybe better off going to something a little more high end.05:54
FormalAs you can tell my typing is not up to par on my 77005:55
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|Ri may end up just using a quicksynergy but bluetooth sounds more fun ;)05:56
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FormalIs there any chance of an rdesktop version with sound?06:00
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hillcton my IT, the user account comes locked by default06:04
|Rlocked? you mean a password is set ?06:04
|Rit's probably 12345 like all nokia codes06:04
|Rat least, i guess, you can't destroy a sim card by entering it wrong 3 times +10 hehe06:05
hillctaccount is locked as in !06:05
hillctnewest firmware image06:05
hillcta good move really...06:05
hillctor is * locked. I forget06:06
_Monkeyit has been said that OS2007he is on track, there is something quite ready - still with internal reviews though (and don't try to deduce any date from this because even myself fail at these exercises)  :) [qgill, 18 Aug]06:07
Tb0n3or latest OS200606:07
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hillctI think...06:08
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hillctwhat's the deal with becomeroot on n800 w/OS2007 ?06:28
hillcthomepage suggests it could brick the thing06:29
hillctor is that warning there just for really rare cases?06:30
|Ri never used it06:33
|Ri don't get it06:33
|Rssh in, change pass, change sudo rights if necessary...06:33
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|Ri think it has to do with history... but i only have this n800 since last week :)06:34
hillctand it works for you?06:37
hillctlooking at the webpage, I see the homepage where the install file can be downloaded, but the relevent repo when clicked doesn't get added as a repo, but just gets displated as a text file. Mime type problem I suppose06:38
hillctI also see two distros listed06:39
hillctnot sure what each relate to06:39
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|Rhillct : which ones?07:12
|Rhillct : but yeah, everything worked out here without gainroot or whatever07:12
|Ri switched to red pill mode though07:12
|Rbut in the end i install everything with dpkg07:13
|Rthere is too many repository and conficts to deal with apps manger cleanly and still have fun ;)07:13
hillctred pill mode huh?07:13
|Ryep, go to application manger07:13
|Rselect add repository somewhere07:14
|Rin the http:// ... delete that in type "matrix" and click cancel07:14
hillctso, which build of becomroot did you end up installing?07:19
hillcti can't seem to find the right one07:19
|Rnone ?07:19
|Rdpkg -l|grep -i root | wc -l -> 007:19
|Ras i said, i don't understand what this become root is... and i managed to install everything i need07:20
hillctthought that was the whole point - to be able to gain root access from user account in xterm07:20
|Rso maybe i missed something but it seems i don't need it07:20
|Rwell i can sudo su -07:20
hillctsudo su ? both?07:20
hillctnever seen anyone use both07:20
|Rso i don't have to type a pass07:20
|Rgives a root shell07:21
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doublecanyone here tried building microb-engine from source/07:22
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|Rhillct: maybe gainroot bypasses the need for ssh, that must be the point? to do it locally...07:31
hillcthere's the trivial solution07:39
hillctadd this to /etc/sudoers07:39
hillctuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/ash07:39
|Ri did ALL ALL here since i m alone on the system07:39
hillctoh, yeah07:39
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hillctwell that'd be an important detail07:40
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hillctthat's why you were able to sudo, but if you do ALL NOPASSWD, you won't need to sudo su07:41
hillcteasier to sudo ash07:41
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Esworpi just installed the lcars theme and sounds >tres kinky!08:11
|Rhaha what's that?08:14
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|Rhaha i see... trekkies ;)08:17
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|Rhey :)08:37
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czr|R, any news?08:45
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|Rfor today? uhm, fceu was kind-of fixed on the n80008:53
czrwhat is it?08:54
czrfibre-channel for european union?08:54
|Rhaha non, more like FCE Ultra... which i have no clue what it stands for08:55
|Rbut it runs NES games ;)08:55
|R(for the nostalgic...)08:55
czrah, too bad I don't have any of those..08:56
| :)08:57
czrmaybe later :-)08:58
|Rhehe :)08:58
|Ri was beta testing for Tak|work actually08:58
czrneed to work a bit still. but the emu is good you say?08:58
|Rwell, if you can find a game that plays with the d-pad and only one button at a time without a need for vert fast tapping of the A/B button, yes ;)08:59
latzkohi, on layout mode, my applet causes the device to hang if other applet was overlapped, instead of displaying the standard error message. Have you got any clue why?08:59
|R(Life Force for example, i'm guessing tetris and such too, and uhm... )08:59
czr|R, ah, I see the problem :-)09:00
czrmaybe one should start manufacturing console pads that would use BT and then one could use those with the device?09:00
|Rhehe, i don't even think you can change the configuration to receive input keys by other means than tapping the screen ;)09:02
czr|R, or, maybe it will be easier with the new device (assuming it will have the slide-out-keyboard)09:02
|Rbut that wouldn't be too hard to change in the code i guess...09:02
czrassuming it's open source.09:02
|Rlet's hope, and that it doesn't deprecate the n80009:02
czrof course it will :-)09:03
|Rbut i mean, not like the n770 was deprecated in term of OS support09:03
czralthough I hope not. but what are the odds of not deprecating?09:03
* czr shrugs09:03
|Rthey said two more release after 4.0 i think...09:03
czrwell, that makes sense09:03
|Ryeah a bit better...09:03
|Ri hope that by then we'll have bluetooth headset support09:04
czrthere's still no bt headset support?09:04
|Rall the code is there, it should work with a little integration on their part me think..09:04
|Ri don't think so09:04
|R(other than very hackish attempts, but most people don't want to recompile kernels and modules)09:04
zodttdWhats the horsepower behind the N800?09:04
czrzodttd, two horses!09:05
zodttdNeed three for me to port psx4all to it :(09:05
|Rfrench 2CV :)09:05
czralthough the other one is still quite young.09:05
zodttdpupnik has me interested in this gadget, and the sale is pretty nice.09:06
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* |R needs to understand a bit more about gstreamer to understand where it fits in with the bluetooth headset / application interaction09:06
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|Rzodttd : it's plain evil, don't get one! i've been wasting all my week playing with it hahah ;)09:07
|R(it rocks ;)09:07
zodttdI usually dont use the gadgets I put my software on though. :(09:07
zodttdThis one seems useful though09:08
|Rsee it as an underpowered but at a very good price, umpc :)09:08
czrzodttd, I had the same problem09:08
zodttdI despise UMPCs since they run X86 Windows software. No use for my software then.09:08
czr|R, umpc = "um, what can I do with this PC"?09:08
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czrzodttd, what software is that?09:09
|Rbut form factor / use -wise that is ;)09:09
* |R never ran windows as a primary OS...09:09
zodttdHow underpowered? I wrote my playstation emulator for underpowered ARM based platforms.09:09
czrif that helps any09:10
czrit's an OMAP09:10
zodttdThe GP2X is 200MHz ARM9. When overclocked to 266MHz, it runs a handful of games at playable speeds.09:10
zodttdOMAP, ah this might be fun :)09:10
czrbut can't recall the number by heart atm09:10
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czrI especially like the "Some Random V6 Processor rev 2 (v61)" line in the report :-)09:11
zodttdhold, I got it09:12
zodttdTI OMAP 2420, which is clocked at 330MHz09:12
czrcould be09:12
czrthe 2420 sounds right at least.09:12
zodttdThat seems right09:12
czrand looking at the bogomips counter, the 330 might be right as well09:12
zodttdyup 330MHz09:13
czrif you're planning to utilize the integrated dsp (ti c55x), then that's going to be hardish09:13
zodttdNope, probably little need09:13
czrbut there are people working on putting the vorbis stuff on the dsp, ask them how hard..09:13
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czrzodttd, the UI is limited wrt key count09:14
zodttdMy main concerns beyond the CPU would be the framebuffer performance09:14
czrso that's going to be the biggest issue09:14
zodttdYeah thats next09:14
zodttdhow to control the beast09:14
zodttdI assume gpSP (GBA) is on this already?09:14
* czr shrugs09:15
czryou better ask other folk, I'm not a gamer :-)09:15
czr(although I have to confess, I do have a PSP)09:15
zodttdHrmm. If not, I can get it on there as well.09:15
czrI remember seeing couple of emulators at least09:15
czrI hear that doom runs with decent framerates09:16
zodttdYeah, the author of it is a friend of mine. I helped get gpSP on the GP2X. Its a fairly easy port now, even with the dynarec.09:16
czrso I guess it's possible to get the framebuffer performance to somewhere09:16
|Rxmame frontend to fceu is there09:16
|Rquake1 runs "well"09:16
czrzodttd, cool09:16
* czr wishes for opengl 2.0 on the device09:17
czrit would be nice.. :-)09:17
zodttdI would prefer the 1.1GHz OMAP thats out now. Supposedly its going to be in the N900.09:17
czr1.1? that's crazy.09:17
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|Rhow much is that thing going to cost !?09:18
zodttdI'm receiving one for development soon (the 1.1GHz OMAP SoC)09:18
czrUSD per MGz09:18
czrMHz even09:18
disq1.1? sick09:18
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czr|R, I guess we'll know when they tell something real about it09:18
czrzodttd, is the name official though?09:18
zodttdThe devkit costs over $1000. But I believe the system on chip (like the Nxxx uses) is in the low hundred.09:18
czrI'd guess the pricing will be slightly higher than N800 launch then09:19
czror maybe at the same level. maybe. not an oracle.09:19
zodttdczr: Theres a big discussion about this SoC on since the distributor of the GP2X handheld is making his own gaming handheld. "Rumored" to be this 1.1GHz09:19
zodttdOMAP :)09:19
czrthe more the merrier09:20
czras long as they run linux!09:20
zodttdWhen I spoke to pupnik he mentioned the N900 is going to probably be announced soon09:20
|Rcheers to that!09:20
zodttdThey are :)09:20
zodttdIts an open source handheld09:20
czrthat's cool too09:20
* czr doesn't have time to follow all news out there.09:21
zodttdheh :)09:21
czrhell, I don't even follow stuff related to maemo :-)09:21
czrzodttd, what's the asking price for N800 on then?09:21
disq233 i think09:21
zodttd$230 I believe09:21
czrnot bad09:22
* |R got ripped off last week ;)09:22
zodttdheh |R09:22
disqi don't think it can get better than that09:22
|Rif it does, i'm buying another one to video chat with my gf09:22
disqafaik the 770 is still going for $14009:23
|R99$ at some places09:23
czrthat's not bad either09:23
|Rsoon to be in the christmas socks of childrens as their "my first IT!"09:23
czrwell, for a change it will be IT, not "my first TI".09:23
* czr still thinks that IT is a sille name09:24
czrsilly even.09:24
|Rtalking about silly things, i had to order this :
|Ri'm gonna be a huge dork i know, but couldn't resist :P09:24
czrdo tell me how it works in real life :-)09:25
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|Ryep sure will (when/if they ship :P)09:25
|Roh wait it's back in stock, it wasnt this morning when i ordered09:25
|Rso that should be soon enough :)09:25
czrthey pulled them out of stock when they saw that you were ordering09:25
czr"oh no.. not HIM again!"09:26
|Ryeah :/09:26
|Reverybody does that :/09:26
czr"quickly, hide all the warez!"09:26
|Rput the tinfoil on the wi-fi! he's wearing that shirt again!09:26
czrI'd order more from tg, but the postage and duty kills all motivation09:27
|Ryeah, it's crazy expensive :|09:27
|Ri don't know for the states09:27
|Rbut when shipping to montreal, ouch!09:27
|Ralmost the price of the shirt :|09:27
procto|R: I ordered one, too!09:27
|Rprocto : hahah :)09:27
|RAfter wardriving, war-wearing ! </bad>09:29
|Ris anyone familiar with bluetooth tools under linux?09:30
|Rjust got a usb dongle working... i can ping the n800 but i'm lost after that ;)09:31
|Ri was wondering how hard it is to set a presence daemon or something to activate when it sense my n80009:31
|RCould be a fun thing with home automation 8)09:31
czryou'd come home one night, slightly tired, and from the darkness you'd hear a menacing voice "I AM THE DEMON OF PRESENCE! YOU DO NOT BELONG! YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY!".09:32
czrhow fun would that be then?09:32
|Rright on! best way to screw up a date! :P09:32
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|R"but you said you weren't that much into computers!" "wait wait let me get a shell on my NIT ..."09:33
* |R is sorry for using bad stereotypes ;)09:33
czr"hmm. give me a sec with the lock, I just remembered a ran some patches against the sw just yesterday, and damn.. I wonder why it doesn't open.. "09:34
czr|R, that's ok, no one is counting! :-)09:34
|R"rootme! rootme! damn, that voice recognition is down!"09:34
czr"you want me to what you??"09:35
czrneh, been fun. thanks for the entertainment. -> workie workie09:35
|Ri really hope that 32G SDHC comming out around january will be priced below 200$09:36
* |R is dreaming09:36
|Rczr : good day :)09:36
|Ri'm going to bed ;)09:36
czroh, I'll lurk around in the shadows09:36
czryeah, night.09:36
|RGeneralAntilles : that's over SDHC specs though :)09:37
|R(i still don't get that limit...)09:37
GeneralAntilles2x 32GB?09:37
* |R tired09:37
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disqi think it's just to make sure they can sell newer cards/formats with latest specs09:39
disqlicensing cost = yummy09:39
|Rurhm.. :/09:39
|Rcompact flash was IDE pin compatible09:40
disqnot to mention forcing users to get new cards (as new hardware don't support old ones for form factor reasons)09:40
|Rnewer SDHC++ should be SATA3 compatible or whatever09:40
|Rit will be hard to justify moving away from microSDHC :)09:40
|R(form factor wise...)09:41
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disqthey'll make newer ones triangular :P (bsg-inspiration)09:41
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SyntraIs anyone on?09:41
disqor change the pin layout and say the new format draws less current09:41
_Monkeydisq: that doesn't look right09:41
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SyntraWow, perfect timing09:42
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SyntraUhh, I'm trying to get into my N800's Main file system using X Terminal?09:42
|RSyntra : ok?09:42
SyntraUsing the CD Command09:42
SyntraI wanna get to a file I have in my "N800" file09:42
SyntraI have no clue how to, to be honest09:43
|Rcd ~user/MyDocs ?09:43
|Rand then "ls -a" should show some hidden directories of the user's doc)09:43
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SyntraOK yeah that worked09:49
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SyntraOK uhh... DPKG hates me apparently10:02
SyntraI'm putting in "dpkg -i openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb"10:02
SyntraIt gives me "dpkg: need an action option10:02
SyntraAnyone have an idea as to what I should do?10:02
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czrcheck your command line again, that command is valid10:03
czrdpkg -i packagename.deb10:03
SyntraI've checked it multiple times.10:03
SyntraI've even tried what it said, which is "dpkg -i|--install openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb"10:04
czr-i OR --install10:04
czrnot both at the same time10:04
SyntraOhh alright10:04
SyntraI'll try --install then10:04
czrare you writing the quotes as well?10:05
Syntra--install does the same thing10:05
* czr shrugs10:06
SyntraSomeone just needs to make OpenTTD for the N800 into a .deb10:06
SyntraThis one is for OS0610:06
SyntraI have OS0710:06
zchydemhmm could that be a privilege problem? Isn't root the only one that can run dpkg -install10:07
zchydemhave you tried to "sudo gainroot"10:07
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SyntraI gained root using ssh root@localhost10:08
pupnikSyntra: something is strange10:08
pupniktry installing another package with dpkg -i10:08
SyntraI don't think I have any other packages10:08
SyntraI'm pretty much sure its just this one10:08
SyntraThats screwing it up10:08
latzkohi I need some applet help10:09
pupnikyou can't be sure10:09
pupnikunless you experiment and verify10:09
SyntraWhat would you tell me if it wasn't just that one?10:10
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latzkowhat kind of signal or function runs on layout mode when two applets are overlapped?10:10
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SyntraOK I just tried a Different .deb file and I got the same thing.10:19
Syntra"dpkg: need an action option"10:20
SyntraYeeah, I sadly think I might have to wait for someone to compile a OS07 compliant version of OpenTTD.10:25
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StevenKHi, I was looking for the source packages for osso-systemui-dbus-dev and libosso-abook-dev - I can't find them in the maemo3.2 repository at all.10:32
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inzStevenK, do you have non-source package for osso-systemui-dbus-dev?10:34
StevenKNo, I don't have the binary packages for it either.10:34
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czrinz, you know whether it's possible (or sane) to use libosso rpc-functions to do a simple d-bus method call which returns an array of strings? At least osso_rpc_ret_t doesn't seem to support other than "simple types" (not arrays)?10:54
* czr is thinking of "RequestNames" in DBus10:54
czrosso_rpc_t even10:57
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disqi used plain dbus for that in kagu11:03
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czris there a simple DBus method that is always present in the SDK that will return some simple data (non-arrays)?11:04
disqi used bus.get_object().methodname() for all that, though it's python and probably different11:05
czryeah, unfortunately I'm restricted to C (and LibOSSO)11:06
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inzczr, no, libosso supports nothing fancy11:14
czrinz, so it seems :-)11:14
inzczr, you should suggest everyone to use the dbus glib bindings instead of crappy libosso ;)11:14
czrbut I'm having a problem in that I can't come up with anything useful on the SDK where I could demonstrate libosso rpc functions11:15
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czrinz, that part is covered already.11:15
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GathajaI'm getting error: "relocation error: ./program: symbol powf, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file with link time reference" What should be done to fix this? The same code worked fine when it was on a different class11:17
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pupniki saw the powf problem too11:20
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czryou need to rename it into poof()11:36
pupnikfor some reason it only occurred on the device11:48
czrGathaja, it was a joke.11:49
Gathajaok :)11:50
czrwhen I run into problems which I can't explain, I laugh at them.11:50
pupnikyou getting the problem in scratchbox too?11:50
czr(no, it doesn't really help solving the problems)11:50
Gathajapupnik: yes11:50
GathajaI haven't tried on the device11:50
Gathajait's easy to laugh especially if the problem is someone elses :)11:53
czrGathaja, yes, but you should hear me giggling away at my problems sometimes.12:02
* czr is a very happy person12:02
Gathajaokay, thats good :)12:02
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GathajaI usually start laughing when everything goes so bad there's nothing else to do but to laugh12:03
czrme too.12:03
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pupnikwhat i don't understand is you not getting the error in a different class12:07
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Gathajait worked fine before, but now when I moved the code to different class..12:14
pupnikthat is an interesting clue as to the source of the problem!12:15
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flip^anyone have any idea why my Application Manager has stopped working - launching it simply opens a blank white window (titled Application manager) that does nothing, and tapping the close X does nothing til it prompts to forcefully close it because its not responding...?12:20
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floriangood morning12:24
pupnikflip^: go to console and as root type apt-get update and see if you get errors12:25
flip^pupnik: have done, it throws a GPG error over tableteer (which it's always done), but that's it12:26
pupnikok then your dpkg-status is fine12:26
flip^it was throwing a couple of other GPG errors, but i went through sources.list and commented out most of the repositories (using the same style as the app manager expects)12:26
flip^it was working yesterday morning... and i did nothing other than close it and reopen it 10 minutes later and found it not working (and it hasn't worked since)12:27
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flip^multiple pupnik's?12:38
amrhow normal is it for the tablet not to respond to incoming connections?12:40
amrlike i cant ssh in, i cant ping12:41
czramr, mine falls out from WPA as well sometimes.12:42
czrI think it has something to do with session key renegotiation at 802.11g level.12:42
czronce I ping outside from N800, it wakes up12:42
flip^can i use apt-get to reinstall the application-manager?12:43
amri cant actually ping it though12:44
amrand im using an unprotected connection12:44
amrjust mac filtered12:44
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amrit could very well be my router, its on its last legs12:45
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czrls -la13:09
* czr has too many hands versus brain count-problem.13:10
alteregoGood morning!13:10
czrhey alterego :-)13:10
czrjust finished up a simple libdbus client13:10
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czrnothing too fancy. fire & forget method call.13:11
alteregoI'm writting tests, examples and api docs today.13:11
alteregoThe tests naturally reinforce the API and make bugs quite apparant :)13:11
czror you could hire some evil minded dev to write the test cases for you13:12
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alteregoI don't think so :)13:12
alteregoI like doing different things. Keeps my brain from turning to complete mush ;)13:13
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Gathajaokay, there was easy solution to my problem. I changed float parameters to double...13:29
Gathajai didn't realize that I changed the types of the parameters13:32
alteregoAnyone know what the 'new!' method is about?13:33
alteregoAh, must be a glib thing ..13:34
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timelesshello world13:47
alteregoInteresting ..13:48
timelesshow do i find "hacker edition"?13:49
alteregoUse the force.13:52
alteregoOh, I meant google sorry.13:52
timelesswhy can't i use to search for it?13:52
X-Fadetimeless: Because it is not an application? :)13:56
timelessi didn't go to!13:56
timelessand how do i edit ?13:57
X-FadeOr even..
alteregoIf you'd have used google you would have found it by now.13:57
timelessalterego: i'm already flashing it13:57
timelessthat's so not the point13:57
alteregoSure it isn't.13:58
timelessthe point is that the correct paths don't work13:58
alteregoYes, the maemo site is some what chaotic.13:58
X-Fadetimeless: File a bug? :)13:58
timelessx-fade: against what? :(13:58
timelessi actually need to file a bug against the SDK13:59
timelessSKU  Option  Available14:00
timelessJSC-299-L 014:00
timelessJSC-299-XL -1914:00
timelessah, it feels like a nokia/maemo product14:00
timeless-19 shirts14:00
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sp3000for only usd 0.00!14:41
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alteregoOops :)15:17
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sciboyWOO! I finally ordered myself a damn N80016:10
sciboyLet the linux-based-love-hate-relationship begin in a week or two!16:10
hillctthis is such a great outfit
hillctfirst item that shows up is a rollable fabric bluetooth keyboard16:12
Veggensciboy: I just can't stand *Windows closedness. At all.16:12
sciboyVeggen, I'm fond of open source, but I don't really mind as long as it gets the job done well, linux did that for me much better than windows ever did.16:13
Veggensciboy: trying to use it, I tend to end up quite frustrated :) Thus, most Linux and BSD things are immensely more satisfying.16:13
VeggenLet's face it:16:13
Veggen*nothing* is hassle-free.16:13
VeggenAnd hassles under Linux/BSD are just much more consistent experiences, something that's usually of value to learn, because you can get to the bottom of it and understand it.16:14
sciboyThat aside, is development still steady on most apps?16:14
sciboyIn other words, should I be proactive with my bug reports?16:14
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sciboyHow about the mozilla browser? =P16:20
sciboyI migrated most of my stuff to online ajax apps.16:20
sciboyOMGOSH, I'm in the IRC log! HI READERS!16:21
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mgedminsciboy: bug reports can't hurt16:27
Tak|workI agree with Veggen - at least the hassles in unix are consistent ;-)16:27
mgedminsometimes it feels you're dropping them into a big black hole labeled Nokia, but then in a year or two about 25% of them suddenly get fixed in a new OS release16:28
mgedminthe built-in browser is based on opera, but you can find a mozilla-based engine for it (called microb) somewhere16:29
mgedminthere's also minimo that wasn't fully integrated into the platform UI-wise, last time I saw16:29
Tak|workhow's microb's resource usage compared to opera?16:29
sciboyI'm just looking to use some google apps, although I've seen reports on how that experience has been hit and miss.16:30
Veggenmmm. I'm changing to a company where we use almost only open source, around new year. Tho, with OS X on the desktop.16:30
Veggen(but they said they'd be ok with me run other things - as long as it wasn't Windows ;)16:30
Veggen...tho, they recently had to give up on the no-windows-policy...sales-persons demanded it.16:31
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flip^windows (sadly) makes the world go round for end-users... it's not gonna be going away any time soon16:33
Veggenflip: Oh, sure. But that doesn't mean it has to make the world go round for *every* end-user.16:33
Tak|workheh, depends who your end users are16:34
flip^90% (being honest, probably more than that) of them are windows users, tho you can always find places with other things16:34
* flip^ has windows, linux and his n800 on his desk16:34
Veggenwell. I have a windows-box. That's used mainly for outlook, because company mail is Exchange.16:35
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VeggenIt goes under the name "the outlook machine", everything productive, I do from my Linux-box :)16:35
* flip^ has outlook for his work email, but tends to let claws-mail on his n800 do all the clever stuff16:35
Veggen(at home, I don't have or need Windows)16:35
Veggenand I'll be totally windows-free at my new job.16:36
VeggenIt'll not be my job to support the desktops of the salesmen.16:37
Tak|workflip^: if your end users are home consumers...16:37
Veggen(probably will end up being outsourced)16:37
flip^Tak|work: even if not, most of the world is windows - but i realise there are plenty that aren't too ;)16:37
flip^windows has its plus points, though most of them are matters of convenience... i like *easily* being able to reconnect to a graphical session that just runs in the background on my desktop and never breaks... even if i do have linuxy things running in it16:37
Veggenflip: Well, my strategy so far has been to ignore Windows.16:37
Veggenflip: Has worked for all my professional life (12 years)16:38
flip^looking at my task bar at the moment though, nothing i'm doing couldn't be done on linux - except testing how web content i produce appears in IE as most of the people that will look at it will do so with IE16:39
flip^anyone that does web design can't realistically ignore IE unless they're just being stubborn ;)16:39
flip^and it's quite possible to be stubborn and successful... it has a greater potential of being a limitation at some point though16:40
Tak|workluckily, web designers can't ignore FF anymore either16:40
Veggenflip: Well. Many people does the mistake of developing for IE, and adjusting for the others.16:40
sciboyTak: I can very well justify ignoring IE though. ;)16:40
flip^Tak|work: if they keep adding more bloat and problems to FF though, it'll die a death like Netscape Navigator do16:40
flip^Veggen: I tend to develop the way I think things will work, and then adjust for both ;)16:41
VeggenIf you develop for standard, you usually have pretty consistent results between FF, Opera and Safari, possibly with minor corrections.16:41
Tak|workyou mean like mozilla suite/seamonkey16:41
VeggenAND then you only have IE to adjust for.16:41
flip^same is true of IE7 these days - through all its faults, its rendering is pretty decent by standards these days16:41
VeggenDo it the other way, and you'll have to adjust much more for FF, much more for Opera and much more for Safari.16:41
Tak|workand then there will be another ULTRA-SLIM version of FF to take its place, which will eventually accumulate until it's a gorilla, and the cycle will continue16:41
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* czr wishes for a xhtml/strict-only browser16:42
sciboyWhy? Most websites don't warrant xhtml?16:42
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sciboyWhich reminds me.16:43
* sciboy adds some XSL tests to his todo list.16:43
czrsciboy, I want funny things.16:43
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czrinteresting. I can't use g_main_loop_quit from within a LibOSSO async rpc callback?16:50
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sciboyOh speaking of which, what do you recommend for jumping between public wifi access points? I swear I saw a special tool for it.16:51
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pupnik_club those salespeople like baby seals16:59
GeraltHi everyone! Could anyone remind me the link to list of repositiries?16:59
sciboypupnik_, With a sack of kittens?17:00
_Monkeyrumour has it repositories is  and a searchable index at
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GeraltThanx, I meant the last one withsearch!17:01
Veggenpupnik: actually, I think head of operations/computer maintenane quit his position over the decicion.17:01
pupnik_.. with a sack of mcse's17:01
Veggenpupnik: (of allowing Windows). It'd be his responsibility.17:02
Veggenpupnik: New one is gonna do the only sane thing: Let it be someone elses problem :) (outsource it :)17:02
pupnik_i had to support a windows company and for most problems people just got their computers wiped and a clean image17:02
Veggenpupnik: this is a pretty small company. So far around 35-40 employees in total.17:03
Tak|workpupnik_: that's the only sane solution (other than letting it be SEP, I guess)17:03
Tak|work"What's that?  Can't get your email?  Here, let me ghost your drive for you..."17:03
pupnik_it's also funny how some users manage to consume a vast amount of support time17:04
pupnik_they're usually not dummies either17:04
pupnik_just a little too 'creative'17:04
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czrthere are good reasons to instititute centralized computer/administration models :-)17:09
czrpeople in those environments don't get too creative. they don't get the chance.17:09
sciboypupnik, I'm one of those creative individual who manages to run into the most obscure bugs.17:10
pupnikthough linux has been *very* hard to break in the past few years without actively attempting to muck things up17:22
sciboyThe stuff I run to tends to get fixed quickly most of the time, bad bugs, small fixes.17:26
VeggenWe're a pretty heavy user on a lot of enterprise-stuff.17:28
VeggenIBM Websphere, for example, we're in no way a trivial user of...17:28
Veggenyou have no idea how many obscure bugs we run into on a lot of the stuff we ron.17:28
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sciboyI'm a graphics user, I pride myself on using problem solving in my animation, unfortunately that means my techniques are usually things the programmers never prepared for.17:29
VeggenIt does sort of suck. And I've wished it was open source *many* times :)17:29
sciboyWhen I have a really shitty day, I just think "At least this isn't as bad as Macromedia Flash"17:30
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sciboyAs already mentioned, my method gets me in a whole lot of shit, and Flash takes the cake for my worst user experience.17:31
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czrsciboy, if by flash you mean dynamite, then I agree.17:31
sciboyI'm referring to the multimedia platform from Adobe.17:32
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czronly nice thing adobe does is type.17:44
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SayedHello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.)17:55
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sciboyDoes the N800 come with a screen protector?17:58
sciboyOr am I going to chop up a PSP's before I start smudging the screen?18:00
|Rit has a plastic thing over for shiping, but it's quite cheap...18:01
* |R wonders why pressing power when plugging the cable made a weird boot without a progress bar or sound and didn't mount the mmc2 card etc...18:01
Tak|workthat triggers self-destruct mode18:04
Tak|workyou have 30s to get away18:04
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|Ri was going to reply to your email..18:05
|Rwe're back to black background with only save/load18:05
|R(and for some reason i notced to package puts doc in /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/man/man6 ... seems like docpurge doesn't catch that)18:06
|Rnot important but whatever ;)18:06
Tak|workok, willfix18:08
SayedHello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.)18:08
|RSayed : what's up with menu -> settings? :)18:09
|Rgeeks have way to complicated habits ;)18:09
|Rhehe :)18:09
czr|R, what, you mean using telnet for web browsing is somehow old-fashioned?18:11
czralthough I have to confess, it is slightly PITA on the N800.18:11
mgedminSayed: osso-xterm uses gconf for its config, I think18:11
czrindeed it does.18:12
czrgconftool-2 -R / | grep xterm18:12
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czror rather pipe to more or less and try to locate the tree18:12
|Rwell are we talking about the nXXX xterm? :P18:12
czrthen use gconftool-2 --set foo bar. stuff to change the settings18:12
* czr shrugs.18:12
czrosso-xterm, right?18:12
|Ryou can configure it from the menu right? :P18:12
czryou can change the background color18:13
|Rhehe, doing some x11 voodoo is a bit overkill ;)18:13
czroh. you can switch both18:13
czrI guess it depends which version we're talking about then.18:13
Sayedczr: Thanks18:13
czrSayed, np, I'm only a noob in supporting this stuff, so I might've been mistaken too.18:14
SayedHeh alright18:15
|Rjust saying because i say people on internettablettalk trying to change the xterm colors through the x11-ressources files wit bla*xterm: black etc18:15
SayedOne more thing, I was JUST downloading my mail with claws-mail, and the n770 turned off, now I Can't power it on...18:15
Tak|workbattery dead?18:15
SayedNah, I put the charger in, nothing happens.18:15
flip^take the charger out18:16
flip^and hold down the on button18:16
flip^might be time to remove the battery and put it back on and try again18:16
Tak|workheh, you need to wait for it to charge enough to get the black charging screen before it will boot IME18:16
mgedminSayed: when the battery is fully empty, you'll have to keep it plugged in in the charger for quite a while before it will power on18:16
SayedIn general, is claws-mail a bad idea on the n770?18:17
mgedmindunno, never tried it18:17
SayedI don't think it's drained.. I haven't used it that much..18:17
SayedAnd it was 3 bars last night, was on sleep mode all night18:17
mgedminone unpleasant thing about the 770 was that it was always very hard for me to figure out how to turn it on18:17
mgedminyou have to keep the power button pressed for maybe 5 seconds before it starts waking up18:17
mgedminthe n800 at least shows the blue led to indicate that it's aware of you pressing the power button18:18
zoranworks for me, 5-6 sec18:18
* Tak|work never turns his off18:18
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SayedTook the battery out18:19
Sayedand put it back in18:19
SayedAnd now when I press power NOKIA screen shows18:19
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SayedAny of you guys browse internettabletforums ?18:20
SayedI mean internattablettalk forums*18:20
zoranall do18:20
czrnot all.18:21
SayedAlright, I wrote a guide on applying a minimalist mentality to internet tablets. Actually, just the first part of the guide. Nobody has responded. Is it too unpractical?
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zorank, irssi and bitlbee18:26
* sciboy checks for Pidgin18:26
mgedminI doubt the thesis that MOST linux users strive to minimize resource usage18:26
SayedBut eventually i'll do links, screen tabs, htop, ncmpc & mpd18:26
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* mgedmin once doubled his laptop's RAM just so he could use GNOME without swapping all the time18:27
sciboyI certainly don't, I don't want it to have any noticable interference with the applications I use.18:27
Tak|workxchat + bitlbee works equally well18:27
Tak|workplus it minimizes typing ;-)18:27
sixpenceYeah, but xchat is also a bit of a bloat.18:27
sixpenceI'm just trying to keep it minimal.18:27
Tak|workmeh, I don't agree with the mindset that anything gui is "bloat"18:27
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sixpenceWell, i'm just working for experience.18:28
sixpenceCompare running irssi and canola and a web browser on the n770, to running pidgin/xchat, canola and a web browser.18:28
sciboyWith a quad-core bloat is harder to notice.18:28
sixpenceBut we're talking internet-tablets.18:28
Tak|workpidgin != xchat18:28
zoranpeople like different things18:29
sciboyJust saying, XChat is nice on my PC.18:29
Tak|workalso, you don't like resource usage, but you're running canola?18:29
* mgedmin agrees with zoran18:29
mgedminthe web browser's resource usage depends A LOT on what you're (or were) doing with it18:29
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mgedminit would be interesting to compare memory usage of xchat with the sum of the memory usages of osso-xterm and irssi18:30
sixpenceTak|work: Well, I also made a post on the forums, to which I had no reply.
zoranirssi is all around on shells18:30
sciboyOnce I get my N800, I'm going to go through the first-time-firmware-upgrade jitters.18:30
sciboyYou know, where you triple check you got all the right files and instructions.18:30
mgedminsciboy: if you're getting a new one, chances are it will have the latest firmware18:30
mgedminalthough maybe not, it if spent some time in a warehouse somewhere18:31
mgedminbecause a new firmware update just came out last week18:31
zoranirc comes hard on 770, even if I like that18:31
sciboymgedmin, I bought it from an Aussie store and I am yet to get an ETA for delivery.18:31
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sixpenceCan anyone reccomend a more light-weight media player for the n770 tablet that can also connect to a media server? Or rather, if I have a .deb installation file for say, ncmpc, or mpg123, how do I install it?18:32
sciboymgedmin, Anyway, I still have to go through the process at some stage, first time flashing on battery always leaves me nervous.18:32
mgedminsciboy: it's scarier once you have actual data on the device and keep wondering whether you made the backup right :-)18:33
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sciboymgedmin, Haven't they made that easier already?18:33
mgedminbut not as scary as upgrading the bios on a laptop18:33
mgedminyes, backups are very easy18:33
sixpenceBlacksitox: Heya18:33
sixpenceAnyone? Reccomendation?18:33
zoranmedia player on 770?18:34
sciboyFirst thing that came to mind is tunnelling the binary data through your optic nerve.18:34
sciboyWhich makes me realise that it's getting late and I'm becoming delirious18:34
Blacksitoxhey sixpence18:35
sciboyDoing that would give you seizures.18:35
sixpenceSo nobody can reccomend a light weight media player that can connect to a local media server.18:36
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zoranI recall some text in linux journal18:37
zoran6-8 months ago18:37
zoranjust about that18:37
zoranno details in my brain18:37
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mgedminsixpence: what is a "local media server" ?18:38
sixpencemgedmin: Like tversity for example18:38
mgedmin... ookay18:38
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* mgedmin never heard of tversity18:38
sixpenceLike mpd18:38
mgedminthere are clients for mpd18:39
mgedminthat run on a n800/77018:39
zoran770 should run client, media box the server?18:39
sixpenceBut how do I install them on the n770.18:39
sixpencezoran: Yes.18:39
SE-Wilco2Is "local media server" for viewing stuff that's on a server on your LAN?18:39
sixpenceLike for example, I have many linux apps in mind that I would want, and I even have the .deb for them, but no clue how to install them.18:40
sixpenceSE-Wilco2: Yes.18:40
zoranas I said, I had LJ in my hands with text about your question18:40
sixpenceSE-Wilco2: Like, playing music on a box on my network, from the n770.18:40
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sixpenceOr videos, or viewing questions.18:40
sixpencezoran: Any link..?18:40
zoran6 months arased my memory18:40
mgedminhm, says there's currently no package for a 77018:41
sixpenceSo it's not possible to instal just any .deb on the 770, even if it's CLI?18:41
zoransixpens, if you have a week or two, for me to find old magazine18:42
sixpencezoran: :-P18:43
Tak|work...if it's a cli armel deb for which all the deps are installed...18:43
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sixpenceYeah =|18:43
sixpenceSo I guess i need to stick with canola.18:43
zorank, found something18:43
sixpenceI'm jumping all over the place, still trying to figure out a text configuration file for messing with xterm's colors and whatnot.18:44
zoranmaybe not what you want18:44
zorantake a look at links at the bottom18:45
sciboyOh, about the N800, how do you switch wifi on'n'off, don't need full details just a quick idea.18:46
Tak|workpower button, set offline/normal mode18:46
SE-Wilco2I see "MediaStreamer" in my N800 Application manager, which sounds streamlike.  Other media things too but descriptions like "media player" or "video center" don't help identify features.18:46
mgedminor tap on the globe-with-the-antenna icon18:46
sciboyCool. =)18:47
SE-Wilco2Tak|work: Nice work, quick answer.18:47
sciboyDo you recommend getting a second battery? My usage will usually involve flipping through offline documents and images... for 6 hours or more.18:48
Tak|workfor me, screen is the biggest battery user, followed by wifi18:48
pupniksixpence: just because a program is stored in a .zip doesn't mean it runs on a PC18:49
pupnikhmm an external charger with 2nd battery might be a nice christmas present18:50
sciboyBut what's the chances of it lasting 6 hours with the screen on, wifi off?18:50
SE-Wilco2I think 6 hours is too close to the edge for one charge, even with no WiFi and backlight on low.  If you intend to do it often, you're likely to often be near the limit of one battery so a 2nd one seems needed.18:50
Tak|workdepends on brightness18:50
pupniklow brightness i often get 7-9 hours18:50
sciboyK, second battery it is then, which phone do I have to pretend to have when I goto the store and the sales person has no idea what an N800 is?18:51
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czrbritish petrolium, 5 liters.18:52
czrdon't forget to fire it up well.18:52
sciboyThey use the same battery from the 770?18:52
SE-Wilco2eBay search for N800 battery and charger.  Anyone know if people are selling low-capacity batteries there or are those similar to stock battery?18:52
mgedminI would wait a month or two before buying a second battery18:52
mgedminsee whether you really need it18:53
mgedminI use my n800 for reading e-books, mostly, and the battery is enough for about 6-7 hours of that (wifi off)18:53
mgedminnever measured accurately18:53
zoranthe only helper wold be new screen technology18:54
sciboyMe actually using it actively for 6+ hours is unlikely but happens every now and then.18:54
sciboyBetter to understand the risks from a worst case scenario.18:54
SE-Wilco2I saw on /. that someone came up with the idea of putting touchscreen on the bottom of such handheld devices.  Good user interface idea; wonder if there's a USB touchpad I could fasten to my N800.18:56
|RTak|work : back to previous version (negative buttons)18:58
|RTak|work : though man6 is gone, /usr/share/doc/fceu is still there :) ... and i've always got this while dpkg -i: ln: /usr/share/man/man1/nes.1.gz: No such file or directory18:59
sciboySomething you might find interesting. =)19:01
zoranpupnik, your links browser diffs from
Tak|workmeh, I might be satisfied with the nonpaletted buttons for now19:01
Tak|workthe erratic display corruption on exit is worrisome, though19:02
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pupnikno idea about googlepages zoran19:03
Tak|workalthough I tend to believe it's an Xsp bug and not my fault, given that it's guaranteed to disable doubling (twice now!) on exit19:03
pupnikTak|work: pipeline also had some issues disabling xsp on his quake build - might be related to that19:04
zoranpupnik, one in applicationcatalog200619:04
|RTak|work : mostly only happen after a sleep anyway19:04
|RTak|work : if you restart it and quit (if you can see your button to do that ;) it goes away19:05
* SE-Wilco2 needs Bluetooth soap.19:05
pupnikzoran: that version is non-graphical and has no stylus support19:06
zoranseems os19:06
zorancookies support?19:06
pupnikit won't be too much work to bundle in a keyboard19:06
Tak|workpupnik: the function to disable the doubling is certainly being called; n800 just ignores it sometimes, apparently19:07
pupnikyes cookies19:07
zoranconsole version have not19:07
sciboySE-Wilco2, I love how it's pretty easy to build out of nothing spectular.19:08
pupniktry it and let me know how it works for you zoran -19:08
zorannot this week19:09
zoranbut k19:09
sciboyNight people.19:10
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Tak|work|R: I think I'm going to release vNegativeButtons19:12
Tak|workdeb's down to 300k with docs stripped19:14
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pupnik  Tak|work19:17
pupnikever look at that?19:17
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SE-Wilco2sciboy: Yes, I've often used my thumb to control an optical mouse.  I just need to pick up a BT mouse; does the N800 recognize BT mice?19:19
* SE-Wilco2 adjusts the spectulars on his face.19:19
zoranmouse, keyboard... why not 12.1 lapper?19:20
Tak|workI'm not wasting any more of my time on gp ports19:21
SE-Wilco2What's a 12.1 lapper?  A BT pedometer for half-marathons?19:21
SE-Wilco2Ah.  "Lapping, thinning and polishing of semiconductor substrates"?19:24
zoranis there (on the web, somewhere else) any howto, what is safe to remove from the device? langs files etc19:24
zoranlapper == notebook19:24
SE-Wilco2Closest thing to that for my N800 is the polishing I do of the touchscreen.19:24
zoranI mean, how much space could I get removing all those files, that localize the unit?19:26
SE-Wilco2OK.  I haven't noticed a maemo deletion list.19:26
zoranI would delete ratherly a lot, but have a heart in my mouth to do so19:27
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SE-Wilco2zoran: Install on flash card, so you can test deletions on flash copy?19:33
zoranheh, after I learnt to reflash, I could survive any deletion19:34
zoranjust my hars turns gray19:35
* SE-Wilco2 feeds the bunnies19:35
zoranI presume the best way would be to hae a list of files and then point apt-get remove to it19:35
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SE-Wilco2zoran: Yes, please.  That way your deletion list is both repeatable and shareable.19:36
czrerr. why?19:37
zoranI have time, but no nerves to do it after long week19:37
czrzoran, what's the point of deleting the files?19:37
Tak|workapt won't remove individual files...19:37
SE-Wilco2Can you feed apt-get remove both names of packages and names of files?19:37
zoran770 is tight on memory19:38
czruse an memory card?19:38
zoranand I do believe so19:38
zoranI have it and all works fine with no swap on19:38
SE-Wilco2I think apt is likely to complain about deleting files which belong to other packages.19:38
zoranbut... devil never sleeps19:38
zoranah, you could be right19:39
SE-Wilco2Maybe the first file to delete is the apt database :-)19:39
* mgedmin wouldn't19:39
t_s_ohmm, i think i need to get in touch with expansys about my 770 again. its been about a week now...19:39
zoranI'm surprised netbsd did not taka a chance to make a port19:39
* SE-Wilco2 looks sternly at the camera and warns the kids.19:39
zoranI must say that I have no idea what is the purpose of a lot of binary files on 77019:42
zoranall those osso, hildon...19:43
zoranthey are maemo specific and nomenclature fails for my little mind19:43
Tak|workyou probably want to keep it if it has osso or hildon in the filename...19:43
zoranmust be19:44
zoranbut I never user mail client or rss client or...19:44
zoranI use mutt and rawdog19:44
zoranand I don't listen to the music on 770, so sound is off there19:45
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zoranI would liek to remove those apps and have some of the kind I like19:45
zoranaladin around?19:45
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SE-Wilco2Hmm.  My N800 charger emits 890 mA at 5V = 4450W.  A Windbelt 40mW... i'd need about 10,000 Windbelts on my backpack to charge my N800.  Yup, that's only usable for LED lighting tasks.19:48
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zoranhow n800 wifi behaves, when leaving home net and going along different ap's?19:51
zorandoes it try to connect them?19:51
Tak|workomfg - does HildonNumberEditor really not have an event for value change?19:52
mgedmindoesn't it inherit one from whatever gtk widget it subclasses?19:52
Tak|workheh, it's a direct subclass of GtkContainer19:53
mgedminzoran: you get a popup dialog with a list of access points19:53
t_s_oSE-Wilco2: would that not be more like 4.45W?19:53
SE-Wilco2zoran: I think you have to click to choose a new AP if you haven't connected to it before.  And if screen is asleep it won't ask, so won't connect.19:53
Tak|workat least, according to the api doc19:53
mgedminzoran: the n800 will never connect to an unknown network without asking you first19:53
zorank, I always asked that myself; I liek the way 770 does the thing19:54
suihkulokkiwell, if you save a network called say "default" or "d-link", the n800 will connect to random networks..19:54
SE-Wilco2t_s_o: Right.  mA, not A.  oops.  So only about 100 40mW generators needed.19:54
mgedminsuihkulokki: I think it remembers the access point's MAC19:54
infobotSE-Wilco2 meant: t_s_o: Right.  mA, not A.  oops.  So only about 10 40mW generators needed.19:54
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mgedminbut I haven't actually tested that assumption19:54
mgedmininfobot: 4450/40 is closer to 111 than to 1019:55
infobotokay, mgedmin19:55
* zoran goen to feed dragons19:55
mgedminmmm, dragons19:56
* SE-Wilco2 adds a bucket of decimal points to shopping list19:56
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t_s_ohey, even the mythbusters gets their desimals wrong, so...19:57
SE-Wilco2Right.  111.  So if I cover a cabin with 40 mW generators I might be able to charge my N800.19:58
* SE-Wilco2 hopes zoran doesn't run out of goens soon. Dragons get cranky when not fed. Good thing dragons taste like chicken.20:00
* SE-Wilco2 fetches a bowl of dragon stew.20:02
SE-Wilco2I think that's how Dinty Moore's grandpappy got started in the business.20:03
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SE-Wilco2I'm using Google Earth a lot.  Is maemo using X11, so I could use a remote client window?20:07
mgedminand no20:07
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mgedminwell, and yes, I suppose20:07
mgedminbut I haven't figured out how20:08
mgedminthere's no xauth on the device, so ssh x forwarding doesn't work very well20:08
mgedminwait... I always tried to open maemo windows on my laptop, not the other way around20:08
SE-Wilco2Hmm.  "configure --without-xauth as Maemo xserver doesnt require authentication"  So xserver won't try to authenticate, thus the client can't start the protocol?  Or could the client trust the maemo server?20:12
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mgedminmaemo's x server doesn't listen for TCP connections20:21
mgedminso it's safe20:21
mgedminonly local processes can connect20:22
mgedminand probably if you use osso-xterm to ssh -X somewhere else, you ought to be able to start X apps and have them appear on the n800's tiny screen20:23
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pupnikhahaha Scott Horton rocks20:28
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SE-Wilco2OK, so ssh -X might work.  I'll try it when I'm near a Linux box.20:38
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pupnikIyeeeeeeeee!!!  A segmentation fault has occurred.  Have a fluffy day.21:02
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pupnikdoes the new hildon inputmethod framework mean we can hack it to send generic X input to apps?21:07
pupnik*open-sourcing of21:07
Iva1Hi guys! How to get dictionaries for white stork?21:07
pupnikwhat is white stork?21:08
Tak|worktranslation app iirc21:08
Iva1A linux dictionary tool.21:08
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pupnikclickoing on fceu ultra in downloads (with a 770) gives me fceu_0.98.12-bora1.install21:09
SE-Wilco2pupnik: You mean like direct barcode scanner text as if it was typed in?  That would be handy, so I'm watching for an answer too.21:09
Tak|workok, but what deb do you get?21:10
Tak|workthe install file references multiple repos21:10
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Tak|workyou should get -6 with os2006, or -bora3 with 2007HE21:11
pupnikInstall? fceu 0.98.12-7 :)21:12
pupnikgood deal21:12
Tak|workhmm, or -7 I guess21:12
* Tak|work scratches head21:12
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pupnikheh i get segfault when i build it, but yours works21:14
Tak|workI wonder why21:15
Tak|workmy libglade-d xmaeme is about ready for release as well21:16
pupniknm, it's because i'm an eediot21:17
pupnikwhen i builded fceu i got 885900 bytes stripped fceu bin (gregale)21:20
pupnikyours is 72422021:21
pupnikCFLAGS = -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer21:21
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pupnikTak|work: any further CFLAGS i should be using? -O?21:21
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pupnikmy build is like 4x slower21:24
pupniksound doesn't work21:24
pupnikonscreenbuttons don't work21:25
pupnikj'accuse tak of not upping the sources he used to garage21:26
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pupnikaha i am getting default xscale,yscale=221:32
Tak|workthe flags I'm using are in configure.in21:32
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Tak|workand the configure flags are in debian/rules21:33
Tak|workbasically you want to run ./configure --with-xsp --with-esd21:33
Tak|workand that will set your CFLAGS correctly21:33
pupnikmkay thank-ye21:33
pupnik--with-esd breaks compile, --with-xsp works21:35
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Tak|workbreaks compile?  how so?21:35
pupnikdrivers/sexyal/sexyal.o: In function `CanWrite':sexyal.c:(.text+0x48): undefined reference to `SexyALI_OSS_RawCanWrite'21:35
pupnikand three more errors in SexyALI_OSS21:35
Tak|workmake clean all ?21:35
pupnikah ok21:36
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pupnikyeey works fine21:39
* Tak|work ^521:39
Tak|workyou going to do some fceu hacking?21:40
pupniksnuffling would be a better word21:40
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Tak|workaww :-P21:41
Tak|workanybody want to test shiny new xmaeme?21:44
pupniki built gpfce and am swapping-in .o files before linking21:44
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Tak|workheh - sounds like a recipe for disaster21:44
Tak|workbut hooray if it works :-)21:44
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pupnikactually runs with the gpfce ncpu.o and ppu098.o21:48
Tak|workany performance improvement?21:49
pupnikwill get back to you on that21:52
Tak|workthat sounds like a "no" :-P21:53
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pupniklooking for showFPS enable21:53
pupnikis it a cmdline switch?21:54
pupnik31-32 fps zelda intro21:56
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pupnikdefine ShowFPS in src/video.c21:57
pupnikbtw wb ssvb21:57
sp3000mmph ff fvbmb21:58
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pupnikno no speed diff.22:01
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pupnikwait started wrong file22:02
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flip^well, it could probably do with that kind of wipe too22:30
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sixpenceIs there a more leight weight media player for the n770 that can connect to a shared internet stream on the network like Canola does?23:03
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SE-Wilco2There are a number of radio stations streaming in web windows.  How does "Stream the world" emit sound?23:10
SE-Wilco2The web streaming is probably not a shared stream, but an individual IP stream.23:11
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Tak|workpupnik: there a verdict?23:22
Tak|worksixpence: have you tried glurp?23:22
pupnikonly thing i found so far is that changing sound rate and buffers in drivers/esd.c has no effect on sound stuttering23:24
pupnikand integrating the 6502 asm core requires real work23:24
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pupnikand no, no fps changes23:24
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pupnikanyway the sound blerpyness is upstream from the sdl/esd/sexyal stuff23:25
Tak|workoh yes, yes it is23:25
Tak|workI could have told you not to waste your time messing with the esd driver23:25
pupniki think you did a few months ago23:26
Tak|workI spent several days doing nothing but trying to tweak params23:26
Tak|workI'm convinced that the only thing that will fix the sound on 770, short of arm-asm core, is a dsp task for the sound emulation23:26
Tak|worknot the output driver, but the generation of the output, seems to be the real bottleneck23:27
Tak|workit seems to take equivalent (or maybe more(!)) time to generate 1/30s of audio as to generate 1/30s of video23:28
Tak|workif only our ears were as easily fooled as our eyes; we could knock the sample rate down to 30Hz ;-)23:29
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pupnikthis is just bugging the heck out of me23:32
Tak|workare you running from CLI or xmaeme?23:34
Tak|workusing the -nothrottle flag?23:35
pupnikjust tried with nothrottle - looked about the same actually23:35
Tak|workah - I notice a moderate increase in sound quality with -nothrottle23:36
Tak|workbut I suspect it's highly dependent on current tablet load, etc23:36
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pupnikFlushEmulateSound in sound.c returns the primary buffer size - tweaking that changes the length of the blerps23:48
pupniki.e. return(end) -> return(end*2)23:48
pupnikwhat controls the actual frequency of the sound emulation though?23:49
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Tak|workthe rate is set in the sound driver23:49
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Tak|workiirc I have it hardcoded to something insanely low23:50
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