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| pupnik | helping newbies brick tablets? | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | if you find one Tb0n3r let me know | 00:04 |
| Tb0n3r | does it allow root? cause that's a simple thing | 00:05 |
| Tb0n3r | I did notice that it gives you data at the boot screen | 00:06 |
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| Tb0n3r | OS2007he seems to boost my 770's wireless | 00:08 |
| kala | Tak|work: 16 mb swap seems to be enabled | 00:09 |
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| Tak|work | hm - could still be filling up, I guess | 00:10 |
| Tak|work | could check the watchdog stuff to see what's causing the reboot | 00:10 |
| * Tak|work => home | 00:10 | |
| kala | right. should probably hook up the console or separate ssh connection to debug | 00:11 |
| kala | ok.sleep... | 00:13 |
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| Tb0n3r | tortoise isn't working | 00:19 |
| Tb0n3r | the catalogue | 00:19 |
| Tb0n3r | wow, <3 using ssh to edit my sources.list | 00:21 |
| Tb0n3r | faster than adding them with the onscreen keyboard | 00:21 |
| Tb0n3r | mayabe | 00:21 |
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| Tb0n3r | anybody tried out aircrack? | 00:25 |
| Tb0n3r | doesn't it need something to capture ivs? | 00:25 |
| Tb0n3r | like airdump | 00:25 |
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| idamlaj | Hi | 00:30 |
| idamlaj | I've found a 2.6 kernel driver for the powervr mbx on the omap2420 | 00:30 |
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| idamlaj | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 | 00:31 |
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| idamlaj | ->OpenSource Kernel v2.6.10 | 00:32 |
| sp3000 | *** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. *** | 00:33 |
| sp3000 | yeah, the reporter voted for it | 00:33 |
| sp3000 | popular indeed | 00:33 |
| idamlaj | has the driver been tried on maemo? | 00:34 |
| pupnik | http://www.pocketmatrix.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=5 ARM-centric gaming development (pocketPC) forums | 00:34 |
| Tb0n3r | I thought skype wouldn't work on 2007he | 00:36 |
| Tb0n3r | or will this installation not work | 00:36 |
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| Tb0n3r | well, will have flash 9 | 00:41 |
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| idamlaj | Is there anything peculiar about X11 on maemo that I should know about? | 00:41 |
| idamlaj | Where are the config files | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3r | wut r x11s? | 00:42 |
| idamlaj | they're not at their normal locations | 00:42 |
| pupnik | depends on what you are planning to do | 00:42 |
| pupnik | it's callex xomap, based of kdrive | 00:42 |
| idamlaj | attempt to install the powervr driver | 00:42 |
| idamlaj | hmm | 00:42 |
| pupnik | where is this powervr driver? | 00:43 |
| idamlaj | (05:31:34 PM) idamlaj: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 | 00:44 |
| idamlaj | ->opensource kernel v2.6.10 | 00:44 |
| idamlaj | it's a self-extracting exe, unfortunately | 00:44 |
| idamlaj | but it includes kernel 2.6 powervr drivers | 00:44 |
| idamlaj | although it's precompiled for kernel 2.6.10 | 00:45 |
| Tb0n3r | I really liked the statusbar cpu/mem monitor in 2006 | 00:45 |
| Tb0n3r | I miss that | 00:45 |
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| idamlaj | most likely the kernel functions have changed since then | 00:46 |
| pupnik | i see sdks there | 00:46 |
| pupnik | interesting link though idamlaj | 00:46 |
| idamlaj | the sdks contain the driver | 00:46 |
| idamlaj | get the omap 2430 sdk | 00:47 |
| Atarii | is there an equivilant of kjournal for maemo? | 00:47 |
| idamlaj | ->opensource kernel 2.6.10 is the one i downloaded | 00:48 |
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| pupnik | i don't have a n800 but post to the ITT forum if you figure something out | 00:50 |
| idamlaj | alright | 00:52 |
| Tb0n3r | for some reason the aisleriot card game package doesn't want to have anything else, it's missing a few packages | 00:53 |
| Tb0n3r | may be because it's repo is down | 00:53 |
| Tb0n3r | lol | 00:53 |
| pupnik | Tb0n3r: that happens often enough so that i keep a local archive of my needed .debs | 00:54 |
| Tb0n3r | how do you install a .deb? | 00:55 |
| Atarii | Tb0n3r have you jsut installed 2007HE? | 00:55 |
| Tb0n3r | yes | 00:55 |
| Tb0n3r | yes isdeedy | 00:55 |
| Tb0n3r | last night | 00:55 |
| pupnik | i usually grab them with wget or copy them out of /var/cache/apt/archives | 00:55 |
| Atarii | me two, watching the conversation in here, you are encountering the exact same things as me :p | 00:55 |
| Tb0n3r | hate my touchpad in linux | 00:56 |
| Tb0n3r | wish there was a way for it to turn off while typing | 00:57 |
| Tb0n3r | or in general cause I don't even use it atm | 00:57 |
| pupnik | this is why i buy thinkpads | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3r | most new laptops can turn it off | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3r | it's a sony vaio | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3r | if dcc ever worked for me and I knew how to work it in irssi then I'd ask you for a deb of aisleriot | 01:00 |
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| Atarii | does anyone actually have the debs of aisleriot? | 01:02 |
| |R | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/#install-pane <- is this still valid? it fails here.. Unable to download package not found. :( | 01:02 |
| Tb0n3r | are you sure that mozilla would work well for ITs? | 01:04 |
| Atarii | fails here too | 01:04 |
| |R | Tb0n3r : well people seem to enjoy the AJAX support :) | 01:04 |
| Atarii | i want adblock :( | 01:04 |
| |R | me too :/ | 01:05 |
| |R | but i want moz first hehe | 01:05 |
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| |R | i have vim and ssh, all i miss is moz and some utils i guess :) | 01:06 |
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| Tb0n3r | well, how's the memory consumption? | 01:11 |
| |R | i don't know (yet) hehe :) | 01:12 |
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| Tb0n3r | anybody get gnugo to work? | 01:15 |
| Tb0n3r | cause cgoban won't work with 2007 | 01:17 |
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| sp3000 | |R: extras repo bad | 01:22 |
| sp3000 | bug 2063 | 01:23 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2063 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2063 | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | hmm descent 2 is about as fast as quake 2 | 01:35 |
| pupnik | hmm descent 2 is about as fast as quake 1 | 01:35 |
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| |R | sp3000 : thanks :) | 01:40 |
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| Tb0n3r | is there a way to organize the application menue? | 01:58 |
| Tb0n3r | menu* | 01:58 |
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| zwnj | Tb0n3r: Tools > Control Panel > Navigation | 02:04 |
| Tb0n3r | I thought I did that already | 02:05 |
| Tb0n3r | hmm, guess I missed something | 02:05 |
| Tb0n3r | os2007 btw | 02:05 |
| zwnj | you should click on the [Organize] button | 02:05 |
| zwnj | an yes, so in os2007 | 02:05 |
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| Tb0n3r | :D there, now gpe has a folder and everything's organized | 02:35 |
| Tb0n3r | instead of dumped into extras | 02:35 |
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| Deformati | How do I format the mmc card as jffs2? | 02:36 |
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| Deformati | OOoh, squashfs would be even better. | 03:09 |
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| Deformati | Is there an app for converting movies into the best size/format for the nokia 770? | 04:17 |
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| Tb0n3 | mediacoder.sourceforge.net | 04:20 |
| Tb0n3 | I havn't found any better | 04:21 |
| Tb0n3 | Deformati | 04:23 |
| _Monkey | Deformati is not a fan of games. or planning on learning ARM asm | 04:23 |
| Tb0n3 | lol | 04:23 |
| Deformati | Hmm | 04:23 |
| Deformati | It supports avi xvid, right? | 04:25 |
| Deformati | The default movie player that is. | 04:25 |
| Deformati | Or should i install mplayer? | 04:25 |
| Deformati | I should prolly resize the video to fit the screen. | 04:26 |
| Tb0n3 | supports almost anything | 04:27 |
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| Deformati | Ugh, the configuration thing is so slow at making a swap on mmc | 04:48 |
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| kuzew | Hello all! | 05:00 |
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| kuzew | I don't know if someone can point me into the correct direction, to getting libxml2 (2.6.27)? Or is this the wrong place to be asking? | 05:04 |
| Tb0n3 | repositories | 05:30 |
| _Monkey | well, repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 05:30 |
| kuzew | Ah! That just may slove my problems. My google keywords must be off. I'll give it a go. Thanks! | 05:31 |
| Tb0n3 | set those up properly on your tablet and it should have it | 05:32 |
| Tb0n3 | unless one or more of them are down | 05:32 |
| Tb0n3 | then you'll have to disable the one that's acting up | 05:32 |
| Tb0n3 | know how to get root? if you can then you do a "apt-get update" and the ones that mess up with 404s and such will have to be removed, or at least commented out | 05:33 |
| kuzew | Tb0n3: Yeah, got ssh and everything setup. su too. | 05:33 |
| Tb0n3 | I like my hacker's edition | 05:35 |
| Tb0n3 | I will get to making things, maybe | 05:35 |
| Tb0n3 | I sure wish that the application manager knew how to deal with 404s | 05:35 |
| kuzew | Well, I just got my hands on my n800 last night. Wanna play with some of the neat stuff out there and start to develope some stuff as well. | 05:35 |
| kuzew | I'm sure too, apt-get is great. (: | 05:36 |
| Tb0n3 | oh, I forgot, I was gonna check to see if aircrack was the suite or just aircrack, which would be useless without airodump | 05:36 |
| Tb0n3 | yay | 05:37 |
| kuzew | Neat | 05:38 |
| Tb0n3 | lol, what was I thinking, I was about to start an airodump over remote ssh | 05:39 |
| Tb0n3 | which would disconnect it | 05:39 |
| Tb0n3 | ... | 05:39 |
| kuzew | I trust apt-get, i'm doing a dist-upgrade with the new stuff I just put in. *cross fingers* | 05:40 |
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| Tb0n3 | wtf? can't find wireless tools it says | 05:41 |
| kuzew | Tb0n3: You play around with kismet? | 05:42 |
| Tb0n3 | not too much | 05:42 |
| Tb0n3 | mostly aircrack suite | 05:42 |
| kuzew | ah | 05:42 |
| Tb0n3 | BackTrack 2 | 05:42 |
| Tb0n3 | slax live cd with all the tools | 05:42 |
| kuzew | cool | 05:42 |
| kuzew | Ah, damn.. it bombed out | 05:43 |
| kuzew | "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/logger', which is also in package busybox" | 05:43 |
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| kuzew | Don't know if I have to enforce a -f arg. to apt | 05:45 |
| Tb0n3 | lulz, I was just missing "wirelesstools" package | 05:45 |
| Tb0n3 | XD | 05:45 |
| kuzew | heh | 05:46 |
| Tb0n3 | effing yay | 05:46 |
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| Tb0n3 | either this wireless card in this thing is HYPER sensitive or it's messing up for sure | 05:47 |
| Tb0n3 | getting 20 aps in the area | 05:47 |
| Tb0n3 | ah, channel -1 | 05:47 |
| Tb0n3 | wtf | 05:47 |
| kuzew | lol | 05:47 |
| Tb0n3 | wtf? it tries channels 12 and 13 | 05:47 |
| Tb0n3 | ap channels go to 11 | 05:48 |
| kuzew | meh, I give up for now. | 05:49 |
| Tb0n3 | maybe cause it was connectede | 05:52 |
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| Tb0n3 | shit's not right | 05:54 |
| Tb0n3 | probably shouldn't go in and out of full screen | 05:54 |
| Tb0n3 | it's the middle of the night and they're tearing down a fucking building | 05:58 |
| Tb0n3 | across the street | 05:58 |
| Tb0n3 | with a giganticly armed excavater | 05:59 |
| Tb0n3 | four stories tall | 06:03 |
| Tb0n3 | that's how long the first half of the arm is | 06:03 |
| kuzew | hah, where are you located? | 06:06 |
| Tb0n3 | new york | 06:06 |
| Tb0n3 | near albany | 06:06 |
| Tb0n3 | schenectady in fact | 06:06 |
| kuzew | ah, im on long island! | 06:07 |
| kuzew | small world. | 06:07 |
| Tb0n3 | hmm | 06:08 |
| Tb0n3 | not remotely close | 06:08 |
| Tb0n3 | but anyhow | 06:08 |
| Tb0n3 | somebody just hit the roadblock | 06:08 |
| Tb0n3 | lulz | 06:08 |
| kuzew | haha | 06:08 |
| Tb0n3 | I heard a bang and heard people yelling "you all right?" | 06:08 |
| Tb0n3 | and when I look out the window the car is perpendicular to the road | 06:08 |
| kuzew | gah | 06:09 |
| kuzew | people ok? | 06:09 |
| Tb0n3 | wonder where my thumbdrive is with my bruteforce dict is | 06:09 |
| Tb0n3 | and yeah, they were alright | 06:10 |
| Tb0n3 | they were trying to turn around | 06:10 |
| Tb0n3 | XD | 06:10 |
| Tb0n3 | it would be ironic if the bruteforce zipped file I'm looking to crack a rar was in fact passworded itself | 06:12 |
| Tb0n3 | and isn't it ironic | 06:12 |
| Tb0n3 | don't you think? | 06:12 |
| Tb0n3 | NO | 06:12 |
| kuzew | hah | 06:17 |
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| Tb0n3 | crap, the larger one is videos of girls beating up guys | 06:24 |
| Tb0n3 | should have stuck with the 800k | 06:24 |
| Tb0n3 | XD | 06:24 |
| Tb0n3 | there | 06:26 |
| Tb0n3 | 2.5 megs extracted | 06:26 |
| Tb0n3 | there's that arm again, it's like a freaking monster | 06:29 |
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| Tb0n3 | I can't see why somebody can't make an analyser that looks at rar/zip/etc files that are encrypted or passworded and figures them out | 06:31 |
| Tb0n3 | they use their own little system and that system shouldn't be that hard to figure out | 06:32 |
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| Tb0n3 | man, over 21000 password tries and none yet | 06:55 |
| Tb0n3 | up to Harley | 06:55 |
| Tb0n3 | which is my dogs name | 06:55 |
| Tb0n3 | how odd | 06:55 |
| Tb0n3 | joypowder was one of the password tries | 06:58 |
| Tb0n3 | lulz | 06:58 |
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| pupnik | rar uses AES iirc | 07:20 |
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| Tb0n3 | whatever encryption scheme it uses, you have the whole thing, there should be a way | 08:25 |
| Tb0n3 | :( | 08:25 |
| Tb0n3 | if it's able to tell you it's the wrong password you should be able to see what the right one is | 08:25 |
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| Tb0n3 | without trying them all | 08:25 |
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| t_s_o | interesting, seems arm got a bit riled about intel saying that one needs x86 to do web the proper way :D | 08:35 |
| t_s_o | i guess the proof will be in the volumes shiped | 08:36 |
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| straind | Is anyone running gpsd on a 770? I can't get it to install. | 08:42 |
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| Blacksito | bye | 09:06 |
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| straind | What's the command to launch the browser by cli? | 09:07 |
| disq | try dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:http://google.com/ | 09:09 |
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| straind | Thanks disq. I thought there was an easier way. :) | 09:11 |
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| disq | finally got tinymail and modest to compile | 11:05 |
| disq | still trying to link modest though | 11:05 |
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| disq | nope. modest won't link. giving up | 11:29 |
| czr | hmm. I wonder who is FIXME <fixme@nokia.com> | 11:31 |
| czr | and whether his/her mail works! :-) | 11:31 |
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| pupnik | hehe | 12:11 |
| czr | that was present in the newest skype download package btw | 12:13 |
| czr | (from skype site) | 12:13 |
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| * czr wonders what is the point of having "ads" banner in the N800 image if the links don't work anyway | 12:30 | |
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| czr | btw, where to report such issues? there is a proper component in bugzilla for this or maybe some quicker way? | 12:30 |
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| czr | ah. twas my wlan :-) | 12:33 |
| * czr hides & hides. | 12:33 | |
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| czr | heh. nice to see that my bugzilla quip is still alive and well | 12:36 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 12:36 |
| czr | the "who stole the 3 bits from 777" | 12:37 |
| pupnik_ | you are missing "other" write+execute on something? | 12:43 |
| pupnik_ | hmm no... missing exe on uog? | 12:43 |
| czr | maybe it's unclear what it means :-) it was sort of inside joke | 12:43 |
| czr | think about it. might help if you'd know that I used to report bugs when the 770 launched | 12:43 |
| * pupnik_ is looking for a usable sports and racing game | 12:44 | |
| pupnik_ | where's unique311 - he's the best game finder in the community | 12:44 |
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| pupnik_ | good riddance | 12:46 |
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| czr | yay. my first bug against N800 | 12:47 |
| czr | or rather, second, but first with bugzilla. | 12:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid damn reboot loop. <_< | 13:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Uh, anybody see this: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 ? | 14:26 |
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| opy | Good morning(~) | 14:28 |
| flip^ | mornin' | 14:28 |
| opy | Pupnik are you here!!!! | 14:28 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, what about it? | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just noticed the comment on the bug page linking to it, thought it meant drivers but maybe not. | 14:29 |
| pupnik | ? | 14:29 |
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| opy | I write "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free | 14:31 |
| opy | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free | 14:31 |
| opy | " in source.list but "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit " dont work | 14:31 |
| opy | Pupnik Please!! | 14:31 |
| pupnik | does apt-cache search maemo-explicit show that the package is available? | 14:31 |
| opy | Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_gregale_free_binary-arm_Pa | 14:32 |
| opy | I got this message. | 14:32 |
| pupnik | have you been able to download *any* packages yet in scratchbox? | 14:33 |
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| opy | no | 14:33 |
| pupnik | then check this out | 14:33 |
| pupnik | nsswitch? | 14:33 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... nsswitch is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get | 14:33 |
| opy | I write "files dns" | 14:34 |
| pupnik | hmm | 14:35 |
| opy | hosts: files dns | 14:35 |
| pupnik | i have "files dns" in both /etc/nsswitch.conf and /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 14:35 |
| opy | do i need to change anything here Pupnik. | 14:36 |
| opy | ok | 14:36 |
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| alterego | Sounds more like you're /etc/apt/sources.list file is screwy. | 14:37 |
| alterego | ~your .. | 14:37 |
| opy | Pupnik : I changed but i got the same problem | 14:39 |
| opy | nsswitch.conf | 14:40 |
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| pupnik | i also have deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free in sources.list | 14:40 |
| opy | I also added this | 14:40 |
| alterego | opy, can you ping anything? Like google.com ? | 14:41 |
| opy | no | 14:41 |
| alterego | Ah, | 14:42 |
| pupnik | there is no ping in 2.2 | 14:42 |
| alterego | Oh .. :) | 14:42 |
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| pupnik | opy: you can install a .deb like wget manually with dpkg -i, then use wget to test your network connection from within scratchbox | 14:43 |
| opy | ok | 14:44 |
| opy | but i install armel from sb-menu | 14:44 |
| pupnik | within scratchbox armel environment you can install armel deb binary packages with dpkg -i like on a normal tablet | 14:45 |
| pupnik | is there another way to test network from within scratchbox? | 14:46 |
| alterego | Well, I don't have 2.2 installed. | 14:46 |
| alterego | Is netcat installed? | 14:46 |
| alterego | telnet? | 14:46 |
| pupnik | no, no | 14:46 |
| alterego | Hmm .. | 14:47 |
| czr | pupnik, wget http://www.google.com/ | 14:49 |
| czr | tests both name resolution (dns) and TCP | 14:49 |
| pupnik | yes, just copy the wget armel binary into scratchbox home and use dpkg -i to install | 14:50 |
| * alterego tries to decide whether he should use common menu's or window specific menus. | 14:51 | |
| alterego | This goes for toolbars too .. | 14:52 |
| alterego | Is it possible to get the current window in your program? So you can make the toolbar work properly .. | 14:52 |
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| opy | pupnik: dplk : bash: man: command not found | 14:52 |
| alterego | opy, dpkg .. | 14:53 |
| opy | ya | 14:53 |
| opy | ya its dpkg | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:54 |
| opy | bash: man: command not found | 14:54 |
| pupnik | use manpages in host linux system | 14:56 |
| opy | ok | 14:57 |
| opy | Pupnik: i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 15:01 |
| opy | " | 15:01 |
| pupnik | set it in sb-menu | 15:03 |
| pupnik | hi Jaffa | 15:04 |
| opy | ok | 15:05 |
| pupnik | i don't know how to set it up in an installed scratchbox target | 15:05 |
| pupnik | i set the cpu transparency method with sb-menu when creating a new armel target | 15:05 |
| cosmo | anyone had problems with libcurl in scratchbox? | 15:06 |
| pupnik | i've compiled some games that use it | 15:08 |
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| opy | Ya pupnik I got it | 15:09 |
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| alterego | you can use sb-conf to setup cpu transparency. | 15:10 |
| alterego | How do you get the active HildonWindow ? | 15:14 |
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| cosmo | whee pitfall 2 works and is playable on stella | 15:36 |
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| Blacksitox | hi :) | 15:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any recommendations for a reboot-loop with a progress bar but no desktop on the N800? | 15:47 |
| Tak|work | ouch - sounds like a reflash | 15:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd almost rather let it sit in a drawer until the next firmware update. <_< | 15:49 |
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| Tak|work | hah - wasn't there just a firmware update? | 15:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For what, non-broken SDHC support? | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | No SDHC cards | 15:54 |
| Tak|work | yes | 15:54 |
| Tak|work | ah | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | so, uh, not worth the pain of doing that update. ;) | 15:54 |
| Tak|work | actually, someone on the list mentioned that there were other changes embedded as well, like tabs in opera | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, still not worth the flashing ordeal. | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, I guess I have to now. | 15:55 |
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| * Tak|work trying out kagu | 16:09 | |
| cosmo | hm, how do i downgrade debhelper version in a source? | 16:10 |
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| cosmo | it uses 4, maemo's got 3 | 16:10 |
| cosmo | changing builddeps in control is not enough | 16:11 |
| alterego | You can change the compat file too. | 16:15 |
| alterego | Thgat will fix it. | 16:15 |
| alterego | echo "3" > debian/compat | 16:15 |
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| cosmo | alterego: thanks, that did it! | 16:20 |
| alterego | No problem, I've hit that obsticle a couple of times cosmo ;) | 16:21 |
| cosmo | hm ,i guess now only .desktop file needed for stella | 16:23 |
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| nunyabizn | does anyone have x11vnc working right on an n800? I've got display but can't click the left side. | 16:35 |
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| nunyabizn | ok then.... anyone else have trouble getting onto maemo.org with their n800? it seems to be the only site that gives me grief. | 16:41 |
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| Atarii | does anyone know if its possible to rotate the screen in xournal? | 16:43 |
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| Tak|work | nunyabizn: no, I haven't had any issues | 16:44 |
| t_s_o | nunyabizn: i had some issues getting on there using my 770 at times. never fully understood why... | 16:45 |
| nunyabizn | hmmm... weird. I can get on no problem with my PC, but my n800 stalls and stalls. | 16:47 |
| nunyabizn | anyone have any luck with getting kagu to work since the new firmware? | 16:47 |
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| pupnik | try a different vnc server nunyabizn | 16:52 |
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| pupnik | mwaha i love this author. makes a nice SDL game with sound using 5 .c files and no autotools | 16:57 |
| nunyabizn | pupnik - i thought there was only one for 2007 os | 16:58 |
| pupnik | builds in ONE SECOND | 16:58 |
| pupnik | oh i thought you were using vncclient on nokia | 16:58 |
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| * Tak|work prefers autotools | 16:59 | |
| nunyabizn | nope, other way around. thought it would be a handy way to type when i had a lot to do on the tablet hehe.... | 16:59 |
| pupnik | synergy works for that | 16:59 |
| nunyabizn | thx, i'll look it up | 16:59 |
| pupnik | synergy? | 16:59 |
| _Monkey | somebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unique311/ and for 770 http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb | 16:59 |
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| pupnik | wb koen | 17:04 |
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| t_s_o | ugh, if only i had my 770 working now | 17:06 |
| VRe | what was the name of the package which gives on devel-roofs the taskbar applet to select usb-net? | 17:13 |
| * pupnik plays a new game on 770 :) | 17:14 | |
| cosmo | any ideas why the "appname-loading" message stays in corner when launching from menu and app crashes after a while? | 17:15 |
| cosmo | launching from console works ok | 17:15 |
| Delk | Does the actual app ever appear? | 17:15 |
| cosmo | yes | 17:15 |
| cosmo | but the message stays on top of it | 17:15 |
| Delk | Ok | 17:16 |
| pupnik | see the maemo-games howto | 17:16 |
| cosmo | i was just reading it | 17:16 |
| cosmo | would putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=appexename"); help? | 17:17 |
| pupnik | i forgot .. where's the page again? | 17:17 |
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| cosmo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/#208fbda676b599012b4c45b627cfdaa4 | 17:17 |
| pupnik | ty | 17:17 |
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| pupnik | anybody remember lode runner? | 17:18 |
| cosmo | yes | 17:18 |
| pupnik | i'm playing with a clone right now | 17:18 |
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| * alterego is working on an XML Editor for maemo. | 17:22 | |
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| zoran | console orgraphical one? | 17:23 |
| alterego | Graphical | 17:23 |
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| alterego | I got sick of using nano. | 17:23 |
| zoran | some patch to vi/vim could work also | 17:23 |
| alterego | Not really, | 17:24 |
| alterego | Not for what I have in mind and I don't like Vim much. | 17:24 |
| pupnik | graphical - called scavenger - just looking at key remapping | 17:24 |
| zoran | :) | 17:24 |
| alterego | Hence why I'm coding it in emacs ;) | 17:24 |
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| pupnik | i was digging through 10 years of linuxgames archives looking for old forgotten sdl games :) | 17:24 |
| alterego | Hahg | 17:24 |
| alterego | Find any good ones pup? | 17:24 |
| zoran | I heard of zile as emacs tiny colne | 17:25 |
| pupnik | yeah scavenger is fun | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. | 17:25 |
| zoran | *clone | 17:25 |
| alterego | Basically, I'm trying to minimize the amount of typing :P | 17:25 |
| alterego | So it _has_ to be graphical. | 17:25 |
| zoran | k | 17:25 |
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| pupnik | oh editor | 17:25 |
| alterego | Editor and Viewer but that's beside the point ;) | 17:26 |
| zoran | perl could help | 17:26 |
| alterego | I'm writing it in Ruby | 17:26 |
| alterego | Using ruby-maemo | 17:26 |
| zoran | I'm not familiar :( | 17:26 |
| alterego | :) | 17:26 |
| cosmo | hm, the loading message went away, but still the app crashes after a while when launched from menu | 17:27 |
| alterego | Have you created a .service file? | 17:27 |
| alterego | You are using OSSO right? | 17:27 |
| cosmo | yep | 17:29 |
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| cosmo | i got to go now, but you can try yourself http://www.modeemi.fi/~cosmo/stella_2.4.2-1_armel.deb | 17:30 |
| pupnik | ok cosmo nice job and come back soon | 17:31 |
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| alterego | Interesting .. My toolbar is showing text too O_O | 17:49 |
| Tak|work | alterego: awesome | 17:50 |
| alterego | IT shouldn't be .. | 17:50 |
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| alterego | Doesn't maemo stop that? | 17:50 |
| alterego | The example doesn't change the style of the toolbar .. | 17:50 |
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| pupnik | timeless is a trippy demo for tablets (esc to abort) http://pupnik.de/timeless_maemo.tgz | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amazon has the N800 under $300 | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quite a price drop | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Target has it for $280 | 18:03 |
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| alterego | Maybe in anticipation for the new one :) | 18:03 |
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| czr | stupid question, after installing dropbear server on N800, what's the account/pwd combo that can be used to log in? | 18:17 |
| alterego | There isn't one | 18:17 |
| pupnik | there's a root/rootme | 18:17 |
| pupnik | ? | 18:17 |
| pupnik | there was on 770 | 18:18 |
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| dhdfoo | yeah I seem to remember it being root/rootme | 18:18 |
| dhdfoo | of course you want to change that password | 18:19 |
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| * czr doesn't see any useful answer :-) | 18:21 | |
| czr | did I miss it somehow? :-) | 18:21 |
| czr | ah, it is root/rootme. thanks | 18:22 |
| * czr continues making music via wall/head interactions. | 18:22 | |
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| Atarii | is there a file which holds all the words in the keyboard auto-complete list? | 18:23 |
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| zoran | not to forget to say that reflash from usb flash memory stick to 770 device, using old knoppix live cd, worked fine with flasher 2.0; thanx all who helped with advices | 18:27 |
| zoran | ~[6~/c | 18:29 |
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| dhdfoo | the keyboard auto-complete list is part of a piece of non-free software - it's compiled into some sort of compressed form and lives in a shared library | 18:45 |
| czr | shared lib means the information wants to be shared, right? right?? :-) | 18:46 |
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| pupnik | can you rephrase the question? | 18:46 |
| pupnik | if you are looking to configure a program to use libraries that are available on the tablet, select shared libraries | 18:47 |
| pupnik | New $595 home computer! http://fargoal.com/homeimages/pspetsm.jpg | 18:47 |
| czr | pupnik, never mind :-) | 18:50 |
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| Atarii | im looking to add/delete things from the list of keywords | 18:54 |
| Atarii | is that possible | 18:54 |
| Atarii | ? | 18:54 |
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| czr | hmm. the N800 google desktop applet is a bit silly. it keeps the focus in the input field and the cursor remains there. blinking. | 19:00 |
| czr | also I notice the backlight fluctuates for a while, this is not normal, is it? :-) | 19:01 |
| czr | (the device was just resting by itself on the desk) | 19:01 |
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| straind | Atarii: When you are typing, click and hold on the word you want to delete and you'll get a menu. | 19:04 |
| pupnik | at lowest brightness backlight can flicker | 19:05 |
| pupnik | if using it2007he, there was a backlight oscilatting bug (software) - you can see bl meter go up and down | 19:05 |
| Atarii | thanks straind | 19:07 |
| straind | No problem. I do that every day because the kids type nonsense. :) | 19:08 |
| czr | pupnik, newest fw for N800 | 19:08 |
| czr | but it turned off completely now, so it's not a biggie. seemed odd though. | 19:08 |
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| pupnik | too many interesting things out there | 19:27 |
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| alterego | Anyone know why the expand/collapse triangles don't show under Hildon? | 19:47 |
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| pupnik | you are working with gtk->hildon port alterego ? | 20:01 |
| pupnik | or on ruby stuff? | 20:01 |
| alterego | I'm writing an app in Ruby for my tablet. | 20:02 |
| alterego | I was just wondering if it was default behaviour to not show those triangles .. | 20:02 |
| czr | is anyone aware of any official documentation on all d-bus services, calls available, their prototypes and results? (as well as signal info) for both system and session. | 20:05 |
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| alterego | czr, specific to maemo? Nope, I've not found any. I was looking for something like that a couple of weeks ago. | 20:07 |
| czr | alterego, one that would for example list all the stuff, then "starting from " for devices and SDKs separately | 20:07 |
| czr | it would be very very nice. | 20:08 |
| czr | especially if it also would be documented :-) | 20:08 |
| alterego | Yes, I think that Nokia is trying to hide some of the details ;) | 20:08 |
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| czr | probably just too lazy to document it methinks :-) | 20:08 |
| alterego | Or they're just lazy. | 20:08 |
| alterego | :) | 20:08 |
| alterego | You could always do it yourself. Grep all the sources for dbus ;) | 20:08 |
| alterego | Infact, you can view all of the .service files. That'd be a good place to start :) | 20:09 |
| alterego | I think that's where I started from. | 20:09 |
| czr | alterego, yes indeed! I could also rewrite X to do graphics correctly, reimplement the I/O scheduling in large multi I/O subsystem systems, do proper packet filtering with dynamically generated machine code, etc, etc, etc. but.. :-) | 20:09 |
| czr | alterego, you were looking for something specific or more in general? | 20:09 |
| alterego | I was looking for a way to turn bt off/on so I could add a quick launch command to my cpu/mem status bar applet. | 20:10 |
| alterego | I ended up just using hciconfig. :) | 20:10 |
| czr | heh | 20:10 |
| alterego | I guess the most simple solutions are the best. | 20:11 |
| czr | I guess that would somehow go through the "mode" daemon which controls which radios are on in which modes (the one that you see when you press the "power" button) | 20:11 |
| czr | especially if hciconfig exists anyway | 20:11 |
| alterego | Unfortunately I had to add a line to /etc/sudoers for it to work. But it did and does great :) | 20:11 |
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| czr | hciconfig needs root, right? | 20:11 |
| alterego | So no more app menu->system->configuration->bluetooth->on | 20:12 |
| alterego | Yes | 20:12 |
| czr | what you could do, is a small wrapper in C, that would only allow one parameter (on/off), then it would call hciconfig internally. then you would suid the wrapper | 20:12 |
| czr | the wrapper could use exec too, no need for system() and such. | 20:12 |
| alterego | You could do that as a shell script .. | 20:12 |
| pupnik | i'd like to popup up a status window from shell... | 20:12 |
| alterego | pupnik, you mean a dialog? | 20:13 |
| czr | alterego, but you can't suid a shell script. | 20:13 |
| alterego | Erm .. Yes you can. | 20:13 |
| alterego | What makes you think you can't suid a shell script? | 20:13 |
| czr | because bash (for example) will refuse to run when started with uid != euid. | 20:13 |
| pupnik | just a little dialog yes | 20:13 |
| czr | it's a security feature (so they say) | 20:13 |
| alterego | Who said anything about bash? | 20:13 |
| pupnik | "are you sure you want to continue? y/n" | 20:13 |
| czr | true | 20:13 |
| czr | alterego, busybox shell doesn't check? | 20:13 |
| alterego | pupnik, there is a way. I'll have a look. | 20:14 |
| alterego | czr, no idea if ash does or doesn't. | 20:14 |
| czr | well, we'll find out soon enough, give me a sec | 20:14 |
| czr | alterego, it runs, but restores uid before running the script ;-) | 20:16 |
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| alterego | Are you sure? | 20:16 |
| czr | so indeed, you can set suid, and you can even the script, but it will not run as root ;-) | 20:16 |
| czr | just tested. | 20:16 |
| alterego | Try 'rm -rf' ;) | 20:16 |
| czr | ran id | 20:16 |
| alterego | Well, you have no idea how id works .. | 20:16 |
| czr | do tell me | 20:16 |
| alterego | I don't know either. That's why I suggested 'rm -rf' you know, just to be sure :P | 20:17 |
| czr | ok. now I do ls -la /proc/self after the id as well | 20:17 |
| czr | still no root. | 20:18 |
| czr | and no, I'm not running rm -rf, especially since without filename parameters it will refuse to run | 20:18 |
| alterego | :P | 20:18 |
| * czr throws out alteregos script idea out of the window of "ideas that sound fine, but don't actually work" | 20:19 | |
| alterego | Rubbish. | 20:19 |
| czr | that goes through the same window | 20:19 |
| alterego | You're the one that wants to use bash or ash. | 20:19 |
| czr | which script do you suggest to run? | 20:19 |
| czr | I suggested using a wrapper in C :-) | 20:19 |
| alterego | You can write it in whatever language you want. | 20:19 |
| alterego | I don't care :P | 20:19 |
| * czr throws alterego through the same window | 20:20 | |
| czr | :-) | 20:20 |
| alterego | My sudo hciconfig works fine. | 20:20 |
| czr | fine fine :-) | 20:20 |
| alterego | For the record. I do like your idea about using setuid. | 20:20 |
| alterego | I'd probably use ruby ;) | 20:20 |
| czr | that's what I normally do in similar situations | 20:20 |
| czr | you'd have to check how it handles suid | 20:20 |
| czr | I know that perl by default will also refuse to do anything when script is suided | 20:20 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 20:21 |
| czr | as said, it is a "security" feature. | 20:21 |
| czr | python doesn't implement it | 20:21 |
| czr | so it runs quite happily with suid. | 20:21 |
| czr | alterego, the other point in the wrapper is that since it will have a very controlled parameter line, it will only use one system call, it is easy to audit for security | 20:22 |
| czr | unlike shells and larger stuff like interpreters | 20:22 |
| alterego | O_o | 20:23 |
| czr | yes, some people actually do security audits :-) | 20:23 |
| alterego | I just don't see anypoint in writing and compiling a C program for something like this. | 20:23 |
| alterego | It's what scripting languages are designed for :P | 20:23 |
| czr | it's restricting the foot print of code that will run with root privs | 20:23 |
| alterego | Running/Executing commands and all .. | 20:23 |
| czr | well, you're approaching the problem as a developer. I'm approaching it from security standpoint. | 20:23 |
| alterego | Sure, I get your point. But I'm not that paranoid :) | 20:24 |
| czr | besides, writing C is simple | 20:24 |
| alterego | Not when you're on the road :P | 20:24 |
| alterego | I did my solution whilst in the bath .. | 20:24 |
| czr | hmm. you've got a point. no keyboard? | 20:24 |
| alterego | Keyboard doesn't matter. No C compiler :P | 20:24 |
| czr | true :-) | 20:24 |
| alterego | But no, I don't have a keyboard. I don't really need one. | 20:25 |
| czr | not a local one, you could always make an transparent gcc-bridge over ssh to the system which has compler and such | 20:25 |
| czr | yup. I wouldn't code anything on the device itself either | 20:25 |
| alterego | Oh, I code on the device. | 20:25 |
| alterego | The occasional little app/ | 20:25 |
| czr | me not. I hate the virtual keyboard. | 20:25 |
| alterego | Ruby is great for that. | 20:25 |
| alterego | Only small things. I wrote a colour selector app that generated the hexidecimal html/css notation. | 20:26 |
| alterego | That was pretty neat, took me about 10 minutes or so. | 20:26 |
| czr | hmm. the busybox netstat doesn't report processes bound to sockets, does it? (didn't seem to support -p) | 20:26 |
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| czr | I don't work on projects which finish under a week | 20:26 |
| alterego | It'd take you a week to do that?! :) | 20:27 |
| czr | yeah, I'm a slot typist! | 20:27 |
| alterego | :) | 20:27 |
| czr | and I'd have to code all the 2^24 if-then-elses in! | 20:27 |
| alterego | Hahah | 20:28 |
| alterego | For security right? | 20:28 |
| alterego | ;) | 20:28 |
| czr | of course. writing test cases for all 2^24 would be slightly painful | 20:28 |
| czr | but I could always out-source that to india or somewhere. | 20:28 |
| alterego | :D | 20:28 |
| alterego | Or meta program/ | 20:28 |
| czr | meta program? pretend you're programming, but infact, are slacking off? | 20:29 |
| alterego | ruby-hildon has some nice meta programming. | 20:29 |
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| alterego | It auto generates a header file and a c source file depending on the contents of the source directory. | 20:29 |
| czr | pft | 20:29 |
| alterego | Simple example :P | 20:29 |
| alterego | But then meta-programming a test suite of that magnitude would be easy too :P | 20:30 |
| alterego | Stop a _lot_ of code duplication too ;) | 20:30 |
| czr | I don't duplicate code normally | 20:30 |
| alterego | pupnik, sorry. I couldn't find it. I know you can I saw it in a maemo script .. | 20:30 |
| czr | although I'm not working on GUI projects, so that's the main reason I guess | 20:30 |
| czr | I mostly work at systems-level stuff. | 20:31 |
| Molagi | hmm is it possible to use a bluetooth keyboard and a bluetooth connection for internet at the same time? | 20:31 |
| pupnik | okies, thanks for looking | 20:31 |
| alterego | Molagi, I think so yes. | 20:31 |
| Molagi | great | 20:31 |
| alterego | I'm pretty sure the BT drivers support multiple connections. | 20:31 |
| alterego | Oh wait, on the N800 or 770? | 20:31 |
| Molagi | n800 | 20:31 |
| alterego | I don't think the 770 can do that? | 20:31 |
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| alterego | Right, | 20:32 |
| alterego | Well, try and find out ;) | 20:32 |
| Molagi | might have to | 20:32 |
| czr | does the dropbear package support authorized_keys? (sry for stupid question) | 20:33 |
| czr | (the server) | 20:33 |
| alterego | Don't know. | 20:34 |
| alterego | I use OpenSSH | 20:34 |
| alterego | sftp ftw! | 20:34 |
| alterego | sshfs too ;) | 20:34 |
| czr | sftp is for weeners | 20:34 |
| Tak|work | I'm with alterego on ruby and metaprogramming | 20:34 |
| alterego | :) | 20:34 |
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| Tak|work | heh, I built a copy of gftp for the device | 20:34 |
| czr | what happened to good old tar cf - | gzip -9 | ssh remote_end '(cd /dest_dir; tar xzf -)' | 20:35 |
| czr | +' .' | 20:35 |
| alterego | It got wrapped into scp :) | 20:36 |
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| czr | scp is a ping-pong-protocol | 20:36 |
| alterego | Admittedly I don't use sftp directly. | 20:36 |
| czr | tar is faster (it streams) | 20:36 |
| alterego | But gnome uses it and so does sshfs. | 20:36 |
| czr | sure | 20:36 |
| czr | ah, did you yet see the preview release of the next gnome? | 20:37 |
| alterego | I like mounting directories on my N800 :) | 20:37 |
| alterego | Easier development under scratchbox and stuff. | 20:37 |
| Tak|work | meh, and if your entire tar stream doesn't go through, you lose the entire transmission | 20:37 |
| czr | Tak|work, no you don't | 20:37 |
| czr | ah, you mean that you need to start over? true. | 20:38 |
| czr | I was thinking of the remote end since tar over there will end up extracting all the files up to the fail-point. | 20:38 |
| alterego | You hope | 20:39 |
| alterego | You'll probably end up with half a file :P | 20:39 |
| czr | I never considered that a problem actually. I normally run rsync over ssh. | 20:39 |
| czr | when the midway is known to be unreliable. | 20:40 |
| alterego | svn! | 20:40 |
| czr | heh. "sure". | 20:40 |
| czr | (I'm thinking of large file transfer, have nothing against svn for other uses) | 20:41 |
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| czr | any hints on how the bme-dbus integration works? | 20:42 |
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| czr | the bme inserts events to the dbus system daemon? | 20:43 |
| czr | hmm. any way to make a nice pstree -pu listing on the device? (short of building a pstree for it?) | 20:46 |
| straind | Since I'm awake again, and there's a little activity here now... | 20:46 |
| straind | Is anyone running gpsd on a 770? I can't get it to install. | 20:46 |
| * Tak|work isn't | 20:46 | |
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| pupnik | "It matters not to me whether my neighbor worships one god or ten - it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson | 20:47 |
| alterego | Smart words | 20:47 |
| alterego | More people should think like that. | 20:48 |
| pupnik | agree | 20:48 |
| * alterego forgets what he's doing. | 20:49 | |
| straind | alterego: You were trying to install gpsd on a 770. | 20:50 |
| alterego | :) | 20:50 |
| alterego | I don't think so. | 20:50 |
| czr | hehe | 20:50 |
| straind | Maybe it was czr. | 20:51 |
| czr | nah, unfortunately have my hands full already, maybe in couple of weeks I'll have more time | 20:51 |
| czr | since you can't your way anyway, you're not going anywhere, so you're ok with that /me jedi_hand_waves. | 20:52 |
| czr | can't find your way.. | 20:52 |
| * czr needs to concentrate more jedi powers on typing. | 20:52 | |
| alterego | Cool .. My XML browser is working :) | 20:52 |
| alterego | 65 lines ^_^ | 20:53 |
| czr | yay, pstree works now | 20:54 |
| czr | now, if only there would be a similar tool to relate local processes and theads that are communicating via shm, shared files or UNIX_AF(SEQ,STREAM,DATAGRAM) | 20:54 |
| czr | straind, since you won't get the gpsd working anyway, can't you ask alterego to teach you how to use ruby to write that tool in 4 or less lines? | 20:55 |
| alterego | What tool? | 20:55 |
| straind | Are we just trying to slow alterego down? | 20:55 |
| alterego | I think that's his evil plan ;) | 20:55 |
| czr | I don't think you can slow a person with mental delusions :-) | 20:55 |
| czr | or rather, that it would matter much :-) | 20:56 |
| czr | alterego, ever used pstree -pu? | 20:56 |
| alterego | You're calling me dillusional? You're the paranoid one! | 20:56 |
| czr | who told you? | 20:56 |
| alterego | I got that impressions from your security oriented software development techniques ;) | 20:56 |
| czr | nah, that's just plain sense | 20:57 |
| alterego | I haev now. | 20:57 |
| alterego | That's neat. | 20:57 |
| czr | isn't it | 20:57 |
| czr | built that on arm now | 20:57 |
| alterego | Cool. | 20:57 |
| czr | going to make a map of N800 processes in normal state | 20:57 |
| czr | for later research, to find out what does what exactly | 20:57 |
| czr | but it would be nice to see also the unix sockets and such | 20:57 |
| alterego | I could parse that in Ruby and make a nice GUI. | 20:57 |
| alterego | Could you package that? | 20:57 |
| czr | alterego, sure, give me a sec | 20:58 |
| czr | you just want the binary package? | 20:58 |
| alterego | Yeah, I can always compile it myself :) | 20:58 |
| czr | pstree comes in psmisc, it also includes killall | 20:58 |
| alterego | Are you going to keep the package available? | 20:58 |
| czr | that's why I'm weary of throwing you the psmisc package | 20:58 |
| czr | humm? it's open source man. standard debian stuff | 20:58 |
| alterego | Not everyone wants to compile their stuff :P | 20:59 |
| czr | just pull the source to your regular desktop and take the source package off there into the SDK, build in ARMEL and you're set | 20:59 |
| czr | I can just give you the binary if you want | 20:59 |
| alterego | Neah, don't bother. If I get around to doing it I'll make my own package. | 20:59 |
| czr | tis too late: http://koltsoff.com/pub/pstree | 21:00 |
| alterego | Damn you! | 21:00 |
| czr | chmod +x , for ARMEL/N800. | 21:00 |
| alterego | Oh, I thought you were going to make a .deb :P | 21:00 |
| czr | no | 21:00 |
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| czr | I can make a deb too, but that will also give you killall | 21:00 |
| czr | and you already have killall | 21:00 |
| alterego | I like to release my software :P | 21:00 |
| czr | so that would cause a mess | 21:00 |
| alterego | Then delete it. | 21:00 |
| czr | heh | 21:00 |
| alterego | You don't have to put killall in the package. | 21:01 |
| czr | it's already packaged | 21:01 |
| alterego | :) | 21:01 |
| czr | is just rebuilt the package for ARMEL | 21:01 |
| czr | duh. | 21:01 |
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| * alterego is trying to dominate maemo garage with Ruby software ^_^ | 21:01 | |
| pupnik | <air guitar> o_ o/ o_ | 21:02 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:02 |
| czr | http://koltsoff.com/pub/psmisc_22.1-1_armel.deb | 21:02 |
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| czr | don't tell you I didn't warn you about it replacing the killall then. | 21:02 |
| alterego | Will it break the system? | 21:02 |
| czr | I just copied the binary for my device, package completely untested | 21:02 |
| czr | it eats your system it's your fault. | 21:02 |
| * czr shrugs | 21:02 | |
| alterego | :) | 21:02 |
| alterego | I think I'll make the package myself :P | 21:02 |
| czr | hey, what you complaining about? You get FULL GNU WARRANTY! | 21:03 |
| alterego | And not replace anything .. | 21:03 |
| czr | and FOR FREE! | 21:03 |
| pupnik | and the other scientists thought we were mad... | 21:03 |
| alterego | Everyone thinks you're mad :P | 21:03 |
| pupnik | you... forced me to use it! | 21:04 |
| czr | alterego, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/ | 21:05 |
| czr | pupnik, I? :-) | 21:06 |
| alterego | Nice | 21:06 |
| czr | what is missing is proper netstat report | 21:07 |
| alterego | Right | 21:07 |
| czr | going to build the proper netstat in a sec | 21:07 |
| pupnik | that dude's "nvi" vi-replacement from bsd is so awesome it should be on maemo.org | 21:08 |
| * pupnik tosses vim out the window | 21:08 | |
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| czr | added the two netstat reports as well, alterego | 21:10 |
| czr | -lp = listening processes (tcp, udp and unix sockets), -vp = active connections (tcp, udp and unix) | 21:10 |
| czr | the reports are pretty wide | 21:11 |
| czr | I find it interesting that maemo_af_desktop is listening on UDP 39400, 39500 and 1900 | 21:11 |
| czr | any ideas why? | 21:11 |
| czr | ah, the 39500 is TCP, others UDP | 21:12 |
| * czr decides to telnet to it | 21:12 | |
| czr | ah. maybe I installed some server software | 21:12 |
| czr | 39500 is http at least | 21:12 |
| alterego | Weird | 21:13 |
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| czr | isn't it :-) | 21:13 |
| czr | that's why I wanted a proper netstat | 21:14 |
| alterego | So what's on 39500? | 21:14 |
| czr | maemo_af_desktop (PID 2718 in the listings) | 21:14 |
| alterego | What is the HTTP server serving? :) | 21:14 |
| czr | accepts HTTP | 21:14 |
| czr | 404:s | 21:14 |
| czr | oh no, 400s actually | 21:14 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 21:14 |
| czr | I tried GET / HTTP/1.0, it replied with HTTP/1.0 400 | 21:14 |
| czr | (bad request) | 21:14 |
| alterego | Oh | 21:15 |
| czr | Content-Length: 0 | 21:15 |
| czr | Date: Fri, 05 Oct ... | 21:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:15 |
| czr | no other server headers | 21:15 |
| czr | now. call me paranoid. | 21:15 |
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| alterego | You're paranoid | 21:15 |
| czr | but why does a process called 'maemo_af_desktop' need to accept HTTP requests? | 21:15 |
| alterego | Check the source. | 21:15 |
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| alterego | It's available. | 21:15 |
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| czr | the whole af is open? | 21:16 |
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| alterego | Probably not. | 21:16 |
| alterego | But maybe the bit you're looking for is :) | 21:16 |
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| czr | hmm. I'll just add it to the list of stuff to check later when I have more time | 21:16 |
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| alterego | Hmm, well, you've certainly found something interesting there :) | 21:16 |
| czr | and I didn't even use ruby or meta programming. | 21:17 |
| alterego | Why would you? | 21:17 |
| czr | :-) | 21:17 |
| alterego | I thought you wanted to use Bash :P | 21:17 |
| czr | meh. didn't I already throw you out of the window? :-) | 21:17 |
| alterego | Which .. I guess you did use actually ^_^ | 21:17 |
| czr | well, can't really avoid bash, can I. | 21:18 |
| czr | or I could, but I'd rather not. | 21:18 |
| czr | hmm. what else do I need to get | 21:18 |
| alterego | dmesg would be nice .. | 21:19 |
| czr | too late for that for this device | 21:19 |
| kala | how do i install the maemokrypt? i cant find a repository and when i download the .deb file the browser displays it in binary | 21:19 |
| czr | the buffer is already overwritten with useless stuff | 21:19 |
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| czr | alterego, I could always boot it and get it then, but I'd rather not now | 21:19 |
| Atarii | kala sae the deb file | 21:19 |
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| alterego | Sure | 21:19 |
| Atarii | save* | 21:19 |
| kala | Atarii: hmm.. | 21:20 |
| Atarii | then open it in the application manager | 21:20 |
| Atarii | i had this problem earlier when tryin to install UKMP | 21:20 |
| alterego | I download and save them all before installing packages anyhow. | 21:20 |
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| kala | Atarii: oh, there is save as in the menu | 21:21 |
| Atarii | yea, dont know why the one click install stopped workin tho | 21:22 |
| * alterego adds download support to his XML Viewer | 21:22 | |
| alterego | Server misconfiguration. | 21:22 |
| * pupnik whispers "sdl with screen rotation" | 21:23 | |
| alterego | If the debs are not being sent with the right content-type | 21:23 |
| Atarii | aha | 21:23 |
| alterego | Or at least, that's my guess ;) | 21:23 |
| kala | Atarii: uh, which extension the app manager looks for? | 21:24 |
| alterego | It does frustrate me when people don't set up their servers/application properly .. | 21:24 |
| Atarii | .deb | 21:24 |
| kala | hmm | 21:24 |
| kala | i thought so | 21:24 |
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| czr | alterego, added new stuff from under proc | 21:25 |
| czr | esp 'bootreason' was interesting :-) | 21:25 |
| alterego | That's cool. | 21:25 |
| czr | not really sure what to display from /sys. there's a lot of stuff there as well, but I'm lacking proper tools to collect everything into a coherent report. | 21:26 |
| kala | doesn't fibd any apps to install from folder | 21:26 |
| czr | maybe I'll just stop instead :-) | 21:26 |
| czr | alterego, anyhow, that stuff is public, so be free to use it for whatever you like | 21:26 |
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| czr | it's easy enough to dig out by anyone should they want it | 21:26 |
| alterego | czr, thanks. I'll bookmark it :) | 21:26 |
| * czr nods | 21:27 | |
| alterego | Nice and convenient. | 21:27 |
| czr | remind me to do the dmesg at some point | 21:28 |
| alterego | Okay | 21:28 |
| Atarii | czr | 21:28 |
| kala | also, when i click on krypt.deb, the browser opens it. how come? | 21:28 |
| Atarii | port dmesg :p | 21:28 |
| alterego | dmesg is already on the device. | 21:28 |
| Atarii | coz its saved as filename_deb.htm | 21:29 |
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| Atarii | you need to use xterm to rename it to .deb | 21:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:29 |
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| kala | Atarii: i renamed it | 21:29 |
| kala | xterm? | 21:29 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard | 21:29 |
| Atarii | in xterm? | 21:29 |
| kala | huh. ok | 21:29 |
| Atarii | u need to use something to rename the actual file including filetype | 21:30 |
| Atarii | file browser just renames the name | 21:30 |
| Atarii | wat happened to the xterm which uses the hardware arrows for navigation? | 21:31 |
| alterego | That one does .. | 21:31 |
| alterego | At least it does for me. | 21:31 |
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| czr | btw, anyone aware of an osso-xterm for chinook SDK? | 21:33 |
| Atarii | it just goes to the last thing typed for me | 21:33 |
| czr | had some problems rebuilding libvte yesterday (used by osso-xterm) and the build failed miserably because of this | 21:33 |
| kala | umm, where exactly is this Documents folder? | 21:35 |
| Atarii | alterego does it scroll up and down for you? | 21:35 |
| czr | kala on sdk or device? | 21:35 |
| alterego | command history? | 21:35 |
| alterego | Yes | 21:35 |
| alterego | ~/MyDocs/.documents | 21:36 |
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| kala | czr: on filesytem | 21:36 |
| kala | ah, hidden file | 21:36 |
| kala | ;) | 21:36 |
| alterego | hidden directory. | 21:36 |
| alterego | :P | 21:36 |
| czr | that didn't really answer my question, but I guess you got an answer anyway :-) | 21:36 |
| Atarii | wat version of xterm do u use alterego? | 21:37 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 21:37 |
| alterego | I think it's the latest. | 21:37 |
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| kala | uh. installed. that was hard | 21:38 |
| alterego | 0.13.mh24bora1 | 21:38 |
| Atarii | o same as me | 21:38 |
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| kala | but this maemokrypt doesnt really work seamlessly. is there any possibility to use encypted fs.or smthing? | 21:42 |
| alterego | There's always a possibility. | 21:43 |
| alterego | You could also mount an encrypted image as a loop back device. | 21:44 |
| kala | i'm really temped to put ssh private keys and web passwords to n770, but when i lose it... | 21:44 |
| alterego | Which would probably be better. | 21:44 |
| alterego | You could just hide them. | 21:45 |
| * alterego keeps passwords on the device. | 21:45 | |
| kala | in a special app? | 21:45 |
| alterego | Nope. | 21:46 |
| alterego | Plain text. | 21:46 |
| alterego | I might encrypt them at some point. | 21:46 |
| kala | hmm... | 21:46 |
| kala | as long as you don't have malware on device, you only risk is to loose plaintext passwords. and crypted browser settings and some folders should be fine | 21:48 |
| kala | anyway, have to get some encypted sleep as well... | 21:49 |
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| cbx33 | hey dudes | 22:50 |
| RobAtWork | hi | 22:50 |
| _Monkey | que tal, RobAtWork | 22:50 |
| RobAtWork | nada pasa | 22:50 |
| cbx33 | listen, with the latest what has actually changed....is it worth reflashing everything and losing all my installed apps? | 22:50 |
| cbx33 | or shuold i just reflash the kernel | 22:50 |
| cbx33 | if so, how do i do that? | 22:50 |
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| RobAtWork | pupnik, did anything more ever come of that samegame port you did? | 22:51 |
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| RobAtWork | here comes teh cavalry | 22:52 |
| r2d2rogers | cbx33, still have that question? | 22:52 |
| cbx33 | r2d2rogers, yes | 22:52 |
| r2d2rogers | one sec | 22:52 |
| cbx33 | hey pupnik long time | 22:52 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 22:52 |
| r2d2rogers | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=79099#post79099 | 22:52 |
| r2d2rogers | posted that to a blog jsut today ;) | 22:52 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 22:53 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm glad google reader got a search now | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | i think it was mine | 22:53 |
| r2d2rogers | it made it MUCH easier to find | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 22:53 |
| r2d2rogers | naah the blog was http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/10/nokia-n800-upda.html | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | oooh | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | it was also posted as a link on mine | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | what else has changed aside fro mthe kernel? | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | someone mentioned a downloads bug too? | 22:53 |
| r2d2rogers | nothing | 22:53 |
| cbx33 | oh ok | 22:53 |
| r2d2rogers | they didn't want to confuse the issue with the upcoming chinook release | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | I'll flash the kernel tomorrow then ;) | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | oooh | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | is chinook for n800? | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | maemo 4 <G> | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | what will it bring? | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | not certain | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | oooh tell me tell me | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | I'm all excited | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | I'm on a 770 | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | sorry | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | how long till it's released? | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | do we know? | 22:54 |
| r2d2rogers | checking again onemin | 22:54 |
| cbx33 | thanky | 22:54 |
| pupnik | whodat? | 22:55 |
| r2d2rogers | me? | 22:55 |
| pupnik | RobAtWork: i did sometink wif samegame? | 22:55 |
| cbx33 | hey pupnik | 22:55 |
| pupnik | hie! | 22:55 |
| cbx33 | r2d2rogers, brb | 22:55 |
| cbx33 | thanks for checking for me | 22:55 |
| r2d2rogers | ko | 22:55 |
| r2d2rogers | wlecome | 22:55 |
| RobAtWork | I was reading a log that suggested you had | 22:55 |
| RobAtWork | from like July | 22:55 |
| pupnik | i probably played with it and got bored fast | 22:55 |
| RobAtWork | ok that's what I was wondering | 22:56 |
| pupnik | oh yaaa | 22:56 |
| RobAtWork | http://pupnik.de/gtkboard_0.11pre0-5_armel.deb | 22:56 |
| pupnik | gtk board games / gtkboard | 22:56 |
| RobAtWork | that | 22:56 |
| pupnik | all the gtk stuff is back-burner atm | 22:57 |
| RobAtWork | fair enough | 22:57 |
| RobAtWork | a same game clone is the one I play the most on my phone, thought I'd seek out a 770 version, and found that log | 22:57 |
| r2d2rogers | cbx33, bug fix release info http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/fb25171d15b856da803708b8e75ca29c.html | 22:57 |
| pupnik | i think it just needs resizing and menu conversion | 22:58 |
| RobAtWork | that one, yeah | 22:58 |
| RobAtWork | one of the games in there crashed the app so I just uninstalled it :) | 22:58 |
| RobAtWork | ...I thnk | 22:59 |
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| r2d2rogers | I wish planet maemo had better search | 23:00 |
| r2d2rogers | cbx33, chinook look and feel http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/f07ba4d48650e5379582d4e047e7f780.html | 23:00 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 23:00 |
| r2d2rogers | cbx33, API info... http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html | 23:00 |
| cbx33 | cool | 23:01 |
| r2d2rogers | depends on how deep you wanna get on that one | 23:01 |
| r2d2rogers | and stuff about running chinook on the SDcards/MMC for N800 | 23:01 |
| r2d2rogers | want that one? | 23:01 |
| r2d2rogers | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/bc6fb813d043587504b897c6bf62292a.html | 23:03 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> | 23:03 |
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