IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-10-05

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pupnikhelping newbies brick tablets?00:04
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pupnikif you find one Tb0n3r let me know00:04
Tb0n3rdoes it allow root? cause that's a simple thing00:05
Tb0n3rI did notice that it gives you data at the boot screen00:06
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Tb0n3rOS2007he seems to boost my 770's wireless00:08
kalaTak|work: 16 mb swap seems to be enabled00:09
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Tak|workhm - could still be filling up, I guess00:10
Tak|workcould check the watchdog stuff to see what's causing the reboot00:10
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kalaright. should probably hook up the console or separate ssh connection to debug00:11
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Tb0n3rtortoise isn't working00:19
Tb0n3rthe catalogue00:19
Tb0n3rwow, <3 using ssh to edit my sources.list00:21
Tb0n3rfaster than adding them with the onscreen keyboard00:21
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Tb0n3ranybody tried out aircrack?00:25
Tb0n3rdoesn't it need something to capture ivs?00:25
Tb0n3rlike airdump00:25
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idamlajI've found a 2.6 kernel driver for the powervr mbx on the omap242000:30
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idamlaj->OpenSource Kernel v2.6.1000:32
sp3000*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***00:33
sp3000yeah, the reporter voted for it00:33
sp3000popular indeed00:33
idamlajhas the driver been tried on maemo?00:34
pupnik  ARM-centric gaming development (pocketPC) forums00:34
Tb0n3rI thought skype wouldn't work on 2007he00:36
Tb0n3ror will this installation not work00:36
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Tb0n3rwell, will have flash 900:41
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idamlajIs there anything peculiar about X11 on maemo that I should know about?00:41
idamlajWhere are the config files00:42
Tb0n3rwut r x11s?00:42
idamlajthey're not at their normal locations00:42
pupnikdepends on what you are planning to do00:42
pupnikit's callex xomap, based of kdrive00:42
idamlajattempt to install the powervr driver00:42
pupnikwhere is this powervr driver?00:43
idamlaj(05:31:34 PM) idamlaj:
idamlaj->opensource kernel v2.6.1000:44
idamlajit's a self-extracting exe, unfortunately00:44
idamlajbut it includes kernel 2.6 powervr drivers00:44
idamlajalthough it's precompiled for kernel 2.6.1000:45
Tb0n3rI really liked the statusbar cpu/mem monitor in 200600:45
Tb0n3rI miss that00:45
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idamlajmost likely the kernel functions have changed since then00:46
pupniki see sdks there00:46
pupnikinteresting link though idamlaj00:46
idamlajthe sdks contain the driver00:46
idamlajget the omap 2430 sdk00:47
Atariiis there an equivilant of kjournal for maemo?00:47
idamlaj->opensource kernel 2.6.10 is the one i downloaded00:48
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pupniki don't have a n800 but post to the ITT forum if you figure something out00:50
Tb0n3rfor some reason the aisleriot card game package doesn't want to have anything else, it's missing a few packages00:53
Tb0n3rmay be because it's repo is down00:53
pupnikTb0n3r: that happens often enough so that i keep a local archive of my needed .debs00:54
Tb0n3rhow do you install a .deb?00:55
AtariiTb0n3r have you jsut installed 2007HE?00:55
Tb0n3ryes isdeedy00:55
Tb0n3rlast night00:55
pupniki usually grab them with wget or copy them out of /var/cache/apt/archives00:55
Atariime two, watching the conversation in here, you are encountering the exact same things as me :p00:55
Tb0n3rhate my touchpad in linux00:56
Tb0n3rwish there was a way for it to turn off while typing00:57
Tb0n3ror in general cause I don't even use it atm00:57
pupnikthis is why i buy thinkpads00:58
Tb0n3rmost new laptops can turn it off00:58
Tb0n3rit's a sony vaio00:58
Tb0n3rif dcc ever worked for me and I knew how to work it in irssi then I'd ask you for a deb of aisleriot01:00
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Atariidoes anyone actually have the debs of aisleriot?01:02
|R <- is this still valid? it fails here.. Unable to download package not found. :(01:02
Tb0n3rare you sure that mozilla would work well for ITs?01:04
Atariifails here too01:04
|RTb0n3r : well people seem to enjoy the AJAX support :)01:04
Atariii want adblock :(01:04
|Rme too :/01:05
|Rbut i want moz first hehe01:05
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|Ri have vim and ssh, all i miss is moz and some utils i guess :)01:06
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Tb0n3rwell, how's the memory consumption?01:11
|Ri don't know (yet) hehe :)01:12
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Tb0n3ranybody get gnugo to work?01:15
Tb0n3rcause cgoban won't work with 200701:17
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sp3000|R: extras repo bad01:22
sp3000bug 206301:23
_MonkeyBug 2063 might be found at
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pupnikhmm descent 2 is about as fast as quake 201:35
pupnikhmm descent 2 is about as fast as quake 101:35
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|Rsp3000 : thanks :)01:40
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Tb0n3ris there a way to organize the application menue?01:58
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zwnjTb0n3r: Tools > Control Panel > Navigation02:04
Tb0n3rI thought I did that already02:05
Tb0n3rhmm, guess I missed something02:05
Tb0n3ros2007 btw02:05
zwnjyou should click on the [Organize] button02:05
zwnjan yes, so in os200702:05
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Tb0n3r:D there, now gpe has a folder and everything's organized02:35
Tb0n3rinstead of dumped into extras02:35
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DeformatiHow do I format the mmc card as jffs2?02:36
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DeformatiOOoh, squashfs would be even better.03:09
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DeformatiIs there an app for converting movies into the best size/format for the nokia 770?04:17
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Tb0n3I havn't found any better04:21
_MonkeyDeformati is not a fan of games. or planning on learning ARM asm04:23
DeformatiIt supports avi xvid, right?04:25
DeformatiThe default movie player that is.04:25
DeformatiOr should i install mplayer?04:25
DeformatiI should prolly resize the video to fit the screen.04:26
Tb0n3supports almost anything04:27
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DeformatiUgh, the configuration thing is so slow at making a swap on mmc04:48
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kuzewHello all!05:00
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kuzewI don't know if someone can point me into the correct direction, to getting libxml2 (2.6.27)? Or is this the wrong place to be asking?05:04
_Monkeywell, repositories is  and a searchable index at
kuzewAh! That just may slove my problems. My google keywords must be off. I'll give it a go. Thanks!05:31
Tb0n3set those up properly on your tablet and it should have it05:32
Tb0n3unless one or more of them are down05:32
Tb0n3then you'll have to disable the one that's acting up05:32
Tb0n3know how to get root? if you can then you do a "apt-get update" and the ones that mess up with 404s and such will have to be removed, or at least commented out05:33
kuzewTb0n3: Yeah, got ssh and everything setup. su too.05:33
Tb0n3I like my hacker's edition05:35
Tb0n3I will get to making things, maybe05:35
Tb0n3I sure wish that the application manager knew how to deal with 404s05:35
kuzewWell, I just got my hands on my n800 last night. Wanna play with some of the neat stuff out there and start to develope some stuff as well.05:35
kuzewI'm sure too, apt-get is great. (:05:36
Tb0n3oh, I forgot, I was gonna check to see if aircrack was the suite or just aircrack, which would be useless without airodump05:36
Tb0n3lol, what was I thinking, I was about to start an airodump over remote ssh05:39
Tb0n3which would disconnect it05:39
kuzewI trust apt-get, i'm doing a dist-upgrade with the new stuff I just put in. *cross fingers*05:40
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Tb0n3wtf? can't find wireless tools it says05:41
kuzewTb0n3: You play around with kismet?05:42
Tb0n3not too much05:42
Tb0n3mostly aircrack suite05:42
Tb0n3BackTrack 205:42
Tb0n3slax live cd with all the tools05:42
kuzewAh, damn.. it bombed out05:43
kuzew"trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/logger', which is also in package busybox"05:43
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kuzewDon't know if I have to enforce a -f arg. to apt05:45
Tb0n3lulz, I was just missing "wirelesstools" package05:45
Tb0n3effing yay05:46
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Tb0n3either this wireless card in this thing is HYPER sensitive or it's messing up for sure05:47
Tb0n3getting 20 aps in the area05:47
Tb0n3ah, channel -105:47
Tb0n3wtf? it tries channels 12 and 1305:47
Tb0n3ap channels go to 1105:48
kuzewmeh, I give up for now.05:49
Tb0n3maybe cause it was connectede05:52
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Tb0n3shit's not right05:54
Tb0n3probably shouldn't go in and out of full screen05:54
Tb0n3it's the middle of the night and they're tearing down a fucking building05:58
Tb0n3across the street05:58
Tb0n3with a giganticly armed excavater05:59
Tb0n3four stories tall06:03
Tb0n3that's how long the first half of the arm is06:03
kuzewhah, where are you located?06:06
Tb0n3new york06:06
Tb0n3near albany06:06
Tb0n3schenectady in fact06:06
kuzewah, im on long island!06:07
kuzewsmall world.06:07
Tb0n3not remotely close06:08
Tb0n3but anyhow06:08
Tb0n3somebody just hit the roadblock06:08
Tb0n3I heard a bang and heard people yelling "you all right?"06:08
Tb0n3and when I look out the window the car is perpendicular to the road06:08
kuzewpeople ok?06:09
Tb0n3wonder where my thumbdrive is with my bruteforce dict is06:09
Tb0n3and yeah, they were alright06:10
Tb0n3they were trying to turn around06:10
Tb0n3it would be ironic if the bruteforce zipped file I'm looking to crack a rar was in fact passworded itself06:12
Tb0n3and isn't it ironic06:12
Tb0n3don't you think?06:12
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Tb0n3crap, the larger one is videos of girls beating up guys06:24
Tb0n3should have stuck with the 800k06:24
Tb0n32.5 megs extracted06:26
Tb0n3there's that arm again, it's like a freaking monster06:29
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Tb0n3I can't see why somebody can't make an analyser that looks at rar/zip/etc files that are encrypted or passworded and figures them out06:31
Tb0n3they use their own little system and that system shouldn't be that hard to figure out06:32
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Tb0n3man, over 21000 password tries and none yet06:55
Tb0n3up to Harley06:55
Tb0n3which is my dogs name06:55
Tb0n3how odd06:55
Tb0n3joypowder was one of the password tries06:58
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pupnikrar uses AES iirc07:20
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Tb0n3whatever encryption scheme it uses, you have the whole thing, there should be a way08:25
Tb0n3if it's able to tell you it's the wrong password you should be able to see what the right one is08:25
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Tb0n3without trying them all08:25
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t_s_ointeresting, seems arm got a bit riled about intel saying that one needs x86 to do web the proper way :D08:35
t_s_oi guess the proof will be in the volumes shiped08:36
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straindIs anyone running gpsd on a 770?  I can't get it to install.08:42
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straindWhat's the command to launch the browser by cli?09:07
disqtry dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser string:
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straindThanks disq.  I thought there was an easier way. :)09:11
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disqfinally got tinymail and modest to compile11:05
disqstill trying to link modest though11:05
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disqnope. modest won't link. giving up11:29
czrhmm. I wonder who is FIXME <>11:31
czrand whether his/her mail works! :-)11:31
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czrthat was present in the newest skype download package btw12:13
czr(from skype site)12:13
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* czr wonders what is the point of having "ads" banner in the N800 image if the links don't work anyway12:30
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czrbtw, where to report such issues? there is a proper component in bugzilla for this or maybe some quicker way?12:30
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czrah. twas my wlan :-)12:33
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czrheh. nice to see that my bugzilla quip is still alive and well12:36
czrthe "who stole the 3 bits from 777"12:37
pupnik_you are missing "other" write+execute on something?12:43
pupnik_hmm no... missing exe on uog?12:43
czrmaybe it's unclear what it means :-) it was sort of inside joke12:43
czrthink about it. might help if you'd know that I used to report bugs when the 770 launched12:43
* pupnik_ is looking for a usable sports and racing game12:44
pupnik_where's unique311 - he's the best game finder in the community12:44
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pupnik_good riddance12:46
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czryay. my first bug against N80012:47
czror rather, second, but first with bugzilla.12:48
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GeneralAntillesStupid damn reboot loop. <_<13:48
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GeneralAntillesUh, anybody see this: ?14:26
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opyGood morning(~)14:28
opyPupnik are you here!!!!14:28
czrGeneralAntilles, what about it?14:29
GeneralAntillesJust noticed the comment on the bug page linking to it, thought it meant drivers but maybe not.14:29
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opyI write "deb gregale free non-free14:31
opydeb-src gregale free14:31
opy" in source.list but  "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit " dont work14:31
opyPupnik Please!!14:31
pupnikdoes apt-cache search maemo-explicit show that the package is available?14:31
opyCouldn't stat source package list gregale/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_gregale_free_binary-arm_Pa14:32
opyI got this message.14:32
pupnikhave you been able to download *any* packages yet in scratchbox?14:33
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pupnikthen check this out14:33
_Monkeyhmmm... nsswitch is
opyI write "files dns"14:34
opyhosts:          files  dns14:35
pupniki have "files dns" in both /etc/nsswitch.conf and /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf14:35
opydo i need to change anything here Pupnik.14:36
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alteregoSounds more like you're /etc/apt/sources.list file is screwy.14:37
alterego~your ..14:37
opyPupnik : I changed but i got the same problem14:39
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pupniki also have deb-src gregale free in sources.list14:40
opyI also added this14:40
alteregoopy, can you ping anything? Like ?14:41
pupnikthere is no ping in 2.214:42
alteregoOh .. :)14:42
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pupnikopy: you can install a .deb like wget manually with dpkg -i, then use wget to test your network connection from within scratchbox14:43
opybut i install armel from sb-menu14:44
pupnikwithin scratchbox armel environment you can install armel deb binary packages with dpkg -i like on a normal tablet14:45
pupnikis there another way to test network from within scratchbox?14:46
alteregoWell, I don't have 2.2 installed.14:46
alteregoIs netcat installed?14:46
pupnikno, no14:46
alteregoHmm ..14:47
czrpupnik, wget
czrtests both name resolution (dns) and TCP14:49
pupnikyes, just copy the wget armel binary into scratchbox home and use dpkg -i to install14:50
* alterego tries to decide whether he should use common menu's or window specific menus.14:51
alteregoThis goes for toolbars too ..14:52
alteregoIs it possible to get the current window in your program? So you can make the toolbar work properly ..14:52
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opypupnik:  dplk : bash: man: command not found14:52
alteregoopy, dpkg ..14:53
opyya its dpkg14:54
JaffaMorning, all14:54
opybash: man: command not found14:54
pupnikuse manpages in host linux system14:56
opyPupnik: i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set15:01
pupnikset it in sb-menu15:03
pupnikhi Jaffa15:04
pupniki don't know how to set it up in an installed scratchbox target15:05
pupniki set the cpu transparency method with sb-menu when creating a new armel target15:05
cosmoanyone had problems with libcurl in scratchbox?15:06
pupniki've compiled some games that use it15:08
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opyYa pupnik I got it15:09
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alteregoyou can use sb-conf to setup cpu transparency.15:10
alteregoHow do you get the active HildonWindow ?15:14
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cosmowhee pitfall 2 works and is playable on stella15:36
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Blacksitoxhi :)15:42
GeneralAntillesAny recommendations for a reboot-loop with a progress bar but no desktop on the N800?15:47
Tak|workouch - sounds like a reflash15:48
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GeneralAntillesI'd almost rather let it sit in a drawer until the next firmware update. <_<15:49
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Tak|workhah - wasn't there just a firmware update?15:53
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GeneralAntillesFor what, non-broken SDHC support?15:53
GeneralAntillesNo SDHC cards15:54
GeneralAntillesso, uh, not worth the pain of doing that update. ;)15:54
Tak|workactually, someone on the list mentioned that there were other changes embedded as well, like tabs in opera15:54
GeneralAntillesHehe, still not worth the flashing ordeal.15:55
GeneralAntillesBut, I guess I have to now.15:55
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* Tak|work trying out kagu16:09
cosmohm, how do i downgrade debhelper version in a source?16:10
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cosmoit uses 4, maemo's got 316:10
cosmochanging builddeps in control is not enough16:11
alteregoYou can change the compat file too.16:15
alteregoThgat will fix it.16:15
alteregoecho "3" > debian/compat16:15
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cosmoalterego: thanks, that did it!16:20
alteregoNo problem, I've hit that obsticle a couple of times cosmo ;)16:21
cosmohm ,i guess now only .desktop file needed for stella16:23
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nunyabizndoes anyone have x11vnc working right on an n800?  I've got display but can't click the left side.16:35
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nunyabiznok then.... anyone else have trouble getting onto with their n800?  it seems to be the only site that gives me grief.16:41
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Atariidoes anyone know if its possible to rotate the screen in xournal?16:43
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Tak|worknunyabizn: no, I haven't had any issues16:44
t_s_onunyabizn: i had some issues getting on there using my 770 at times. never fully understood why...16:45
nunyabiznhmmm... weird.  I can get on no problem with my PC, but my n800 stalls and stalls.16:47
nunyabiznanyone have any luck with getting kagu to work since the new firmware?16:47
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pupniktry a different vnc server nunyabizn16:52
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pupnikmwaha i love this author.  makes a nice SDL game with sound using 5 .c files and no autotools16:57
nunyabiznpupnik - i thought there was only one for 2007 os16:58
pupnikbuilds in ONE SECOND16:58
pupnikoh i thought you were using vncclient on nokia16:58
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* Tak|work prefers autotools16:59
nunyabiznnope, other way around.  thought it would be a handy way to type when i had a lot to do on the tablet hehe....16:59
pupniksynergy works for that16:59
nunyabiznthx, i'll look it up16:59
_Monkeysomebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet:   and for 770
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pupnikwb koen17:04
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t_s_ough, if only i had my 770 working now17:06
VRewhat was the name of the package which gives on devel-roofs the taskbar applet to select usb-net?17:13
* pupnik plays a new game on 770 :)17:14
cosmoany ideas why the "appname-loading" message stays in corner when launching from menu and app crashes after a while?17:15
cosmolaunching from console works ok17:15
DelkDoes the actual app ever appear?17:15
cosmobut the message stays on top of it17:15
pupniksee the maemo-games howto17:16
cosmoi was just reading it17:16
cosmowould putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=appexename"); help?17:17
pupniki forgot .. where's the page again?17:17
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pupnikanybody remember lode runner?17:18
pupniki'm playing with a clone right now17:18
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* alterego is working on an XML Editor for maemo.17:22
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zoranconsole orgraphical one?17:23
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alteregoI got sick of using nano.17:23
zoransome patch to vi/vim could work also17:23
alteregoNot really,17:24
alteregoNot for what I have in mind and I don't like Vim much.17:24
pupnikgraphical - called scavenger - just looking at key remapping17:24
alteregoHence why I'm coding it in emacs ;)17:24
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pupniki was digging through 10 years of linuxgames archives looking for old forgotten sdl games :)17:24
alteregoFind any good ones pup?17:24
zoranI heard of zile as emacs tiny colne17:25
pupnikyeah scavenger is fun17:25
GeneralAntillesSounds fun.17:25
alteregoBasically, I'm trying to minimize the amount of typing :P17:25
alteregoSo it _has_ to be graphical.17:25
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pupnikoh editor17:25
alteregoEditor and Viewer but that's beside the point ;)17:26
zoranperl could help17:26
alteregoI'm writing it in Ruby17:26
alteregoUsing ruby-maemo17:26
zoranI'm not familiar :(17:26
cosmohm, the loading message went away, but still the app crashes after a while when launched from menu17:27
alteregoHave you created a .service file?17:27
alteregoYou are using OSSO right?17:27
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cosmoi got to go now, but you can try yourself
pupnikok cosmo nice job and come back soon17:31
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alteregoInteresting .. My toolbar is showing text too O_O17:49
Tak|workalterego: awesome17:50
alteregoIT shouldn't be ..17:50
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alteregoDoesn't maemo stop that?17:50
alteregoThe example doesn't change the style of the toolbar ..17:50
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pupniktimeless is a trippy demo for tablets (esc to abort)
GeneralAntillesAmazon has the N800 under $30018:02
GeneralAntillesQuite a price drop18:02
GeneralAntillesTarget has it for $28018:03
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alteregoMaybe in anticipation for the new one :)18:03
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czrstupid question, after installing dropbear server on N800, what's the account/pwd combo that can be used to log in?18:17
alteregoThere isn't one18:17
pupnikthere's a root/rootme18:17
pupnikthere was on 77018:18
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dhdfooyeah I seem to remember it being root/rootme18:18
dhdfooof course you want to change that password18:19
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* czr doesn't see any useful answer :-)18:21
czrdid I miss it somehow? :-)18:21
czrah, it is root/rootme. thanks18:22
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Atariiis there a file which holds all the words in the keyboard auto-complete list?18:23
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zorannot to forget to say that reflash from usb flash memory stick to 770 device, using old knoppix live cd, worked fine with flasher 2.0; thanx all who helped with advices18:27
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dhdfoothe keyboard auto-complete list is part of a piece of non-free software - it's compiled into some sort of compressed form and lives in a shared library18:45
czrshared lib means the information wants to be shared, right? right?? :-)18:46
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pupnikcan you rephrase the question?18:46
pupnikif you are looking to configure a program to use libraries that are available on the tablet, select shared libraries18:47
pupnikNew $595 home computer!
czrpupnik, never mind :-)18:50
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Atariiim looking to add/delete things from the list of keywords18:54
Atariiis that possible18:54
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czrhmm. the N800 google desktop applet is a bit silly. it keeps the focus in the input field and the cursor remains there. blinking.19:00
czralso I notice the backlight fluctuates for a while, this is not normal, is it? :-)19:01
czr(the device was just resting by itself on the desk)19:01
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straindAtarii: When you are typing, click and hold on the word you want to delete and you'll get a menu.19:04
pupnikat lowest brightness backlight can flicker19:05
pupnikif using it2007he, there was a backlight oscilatting bug (software) - you can see bl meter go up and down19:05
Atariithanks straind19:07
straindNo problem.  I do that every day because the kids type nonsense. :)19:08
czrpupnik, newest fw for N80019:08
czrbut it turned off completely now, so it's not a biggie. seemed odd though.19:08
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pupniktoo many interesting things out there19:27
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alteregoAnyone know why the expand/collapse triangles don't show under Hildon?19:47
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pupnikyou are working with gtk->hildon port alterego ?20:01
pupnikor on ruby stuff?20:01
alteregoI'm writing an app in Ruby for my tablet.20:02
alteregoI was just wondering if it was default behaviour to not show those triangles ..20:02
czris anyone aware of any official documentation on all d-bus services, calls available, their prototypes and results? (as well as signal info) for both system and session.20:05
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alteregoczr, specific to maemo? Nope, I've not found any. I was looking for something like that a couple of weeks ago.20:07
czralterego, one that would for example list all the stuff, then "starting from " for devices and SDKs separately20:07
czrit would be very very nice.20:08
czrespecially if it also would be documented :-)20:08
alteregoYes, I think that Nokia is trying to hide some of the details ;)20:08
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czrprobably just too lazy to document it methinks :-)20:08
alteregoOr they're just lazy.20:08
alteregoYou could always do it yourself. Grep all the sources for dbus ;)20:08
alteregoInfact, you can view all of the .service files. That'd be a good place to start :)20:09
alteregoI think that's where I started from.20:09
czralterego, yes indeed! I could also rewrite X to do graphics correctly, reimplement the I/O scheduling in large multi I/O subsystem systems, do proper packet filtering with dynamically generated machine code, etc, etc, etc. but.. :-)20:09
czralterego, you were looking for something specific or more in general?20:09
alteregoI was looking for a way to turn bt off/on so I could add a quick launch command to my cpu/mem status bar applet.20:10
alteregoI ended up just using hciconfig. :)20:10
alteregoI guess the most simple solutions are the best.20:11
czrI guess that would somehow go through the "mode" daemon which controls which radios are on in which modes (the one that you see when you press the "power" button)20:11
czrespecially if hciconfig exists anyway20:11
alteregoUnfortunately I had to add a line to /etc/sudoers for it to work. But it did and does great :)20:11
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czrhciconfig needs root, right?20:11
alteregoSo no more app menu->system->configuration->bluetooth->on20:12
czrwhat you could do, is a small wrapper in C, that would only allow one parameter (on/off), then it would call hciconfig internally. then you would suid the wrapper20:12
czrthe wrapper could use exec too, no need for system() and such.20:12
alteregoYou could do that as a shell script ..20:12
pupniki'd like to popup up a status window from shell...20:12
alteregopupnik, you mean a dialog?20:13
czralterego, but you can't suid a shell script.20:13
alteregoErm .. Yes you can.20:13
alteregoWhat makes you think you can't suid a shell script?20:13
czrbecause bash (for example) will refuse to run when started with uid != euid.20:13
pupnikjust a little dialog yes20:13
czrit's a security feature (so they say)20:13
alteregoWho said anything about bash?20:13
pupnik"are you sure you want to continue? y/n"20:13
czralterego, busybox shell doesn't check?20:13
alteregopupnik, there is a way. I'll have a look.20:14
alteregoczr, no idea if ash does or doesn't.20:14
czrwell, we'll find out soon enough, give me a sec20:14
czralterego, it runs, but restores uid before running the script ;-)20:16
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alteregoAre you sure?20:16
czrso indeed, you can set suid, and you can even the script, but it will not run as root ;-)20:16
czrjust tested.20:16
alteregoTry 'rm -rf' ;)20:16
czrran id20:16
alteregoWell, you have no idea how id works ..20:16
czrdo tell me20:16
alteregoI don't know either. That's why I suggested 'rm -rf' you know, just to be sure :P20:17
czrok. now I do ls -la /proc/self after the id as well20:17
czrstill no root.20:18
czrand no, I'm not running rm -rf, especially since without filename parameters it will refuse to run20:18
* czr throws out alteregos script idea out of the window of "ideas that sound fine, but don't actually work"20:19
czrthat goes through the same window20:19
alteregoYou're the one that wants to use bash or ash.20:19
czrwhich script do you suggest to run?20:19
czrI suggested using a wrapper in C :-)20:19
alteregoYou can write it in whatever language you want.20:19
alteregoI don't care :P20:19
* czr throws alterego through the same window20:20
alteregoMy sudo hciconfig works fine.20:20
czrfine fine :-)20:20
alteregoFor the record. I do like your idea about using setuid.20:20
alteregoI'd probably use ruby ;)20:20
czrthat's what I normally do in similar situations20:20
czryou'd have to check how it handles suid20:20
czrI know that perl by default will also refuse to do anything when script is suided20:20
czras said, it is a "security" feature.20:21
czrpython doesn't implement it20:21
czrso it runs quite happily with suid.20:21
czralterego, the other point in the wrapper is that since it will have a very controlled parameter line, it will only use one system call, it is easy to audit for security20:22
czrunlike shells and larger stuff like interpreters20:22
czryes, some people actually do security audits :-)20:23
alteregoI just don't see anypoint in writing and compiling a C program for something like this.20:23
alteregoIt's what scripting languages are designed for :P20:23
czrit's restricting the foot print of code that will run with root privs20:23
alteregoRunning/Executing commands and all ..20:23
czrwell, you're approaching the problem as a developer. I'm approaching it from security standpoint.20:23
alteregoSure, I get your point. But I'm not that paranoid :)20:24
czrbesides, writing C is simple20:24
alteregoNot when you're on the road :P20:24
alteregoI did my solution whilst in the bath ..20:24
czrhmm. you've got a point. no keyboard?20:24
alteregoKeyboard doesn't matter. No C compiler :P20:24
czrtrue :-)20:24
alteregoBut no, I don't have a keyboard. I don't really need one.20:25
czrnot a local one, you could always make an transparent gcc-bridge over ssh to the system which has compler and such20:25
czryup. I wouldn't code anything on the device itself either20:25
alteregoOh, I code on the device.20:25
alteregoThe occasional little app/20:25
czrme not. I hate the virtual keyboard.20:25
alteregoRuby is great for that.20:25
alteregoOnly small things. I wrote a colour selector app that generated the hexidecimal html/css notation.20:26
alteregoThat was pretty neat, took me about 10 minutes or so.20:26
czrhmm. the busybox netstat doesn't report processes bound to sockets, does it? (didn't seem to support -p)20:26
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czrI don't work on projects which finish under a week20:26
alteregoIt'd take you a week to do that?! :)20:27
czryeah, I'm a slot typist!20:27
czrand I'd have to code all the 2^24 if-then-elses in!20:27
alteregoFor security right?20:28
czrof course. writing test cases for all 2^24 would be slightly painful20:28
czrbut I could always out-source that to india or somewhere.20:28
alteregoOr meta program/20:28
czrmeta program? pretend you're programming, but infact, are slacking off?20:29
alteregoruby-hildon has some nice meta programming.20:29
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alteregoIt auto generates a header file and a c source file depending on the contents of the source directory.20:29
alteregoSimple example :P20:29
alteregoBut then meta-programming a test suite of that magnitude would be easy too :P20:30
alteregoStop a _lot_ of code duplication too ;)20:30
czrI don't duplicate code normally20:30
alteregopupnik, sorry. I couldn't find it. I know you can I saw it in a maemo script ..20:30
czralthough I'm not working on GUI projects, so that's the main reason I guess20:30
czrI mostly work at systems-level stuff.20:31
Molagihmm is it possible to use a bluetooth keyboard and a bluetooth connection for internet at the same time?20:31
pupnikokies, thanks for looking20:31
alteregoMolagi, I think so yes.20:31
alteregoI'm pretty sure the BT drivers support multiple connections.20:31
alteregoOh wait, on the N800 or 770?20:31
alteregoI don't think the 770 can do that?20:31
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alteregoWell, try and find out ;)20:32
Molagimight have to20:32
czrdoes the dropbear package support authorized_keys? (sry for stupid question)20:33
czr(the server)20:33
alteregoDon't know.20:34
alteregoI use OpenSSH20:34
alteregosftp ftw!20:34
alteregosshfs too ;)20:34
czrsftp is for weeners20:34
Tak|workI'm with alterego on ruby and metaprogramming20:34
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Tak|workheh, I built a copy of gftp for the device20:34
czrwhat happened to good old tar cf - | gzip -9 | ssh remote_end '(cd /dest_dir; tar xzf -)'20:35
czr+' .'20:35
alteregoIt got wrapped into scp :)20:36
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czrscp is a ping-pong-protocol20:36
alteregoAdmittedly I don't use sftp directly.20:36
czrtar is faster (it streams)20:36
alteregoBut gnome uses it and so does sshfs.20:36
czrah, did you yet see the preview release of the next gnome?20:37
alteregoI like mounting directories on my N800 :)20:37
alteregoEasier development under scratchbox and stuff.20:37
Tak|workmeh, and if your entire tar stream doesn't go through, you lose the entire transmission20:37
czrTak|work, no you don't20:37
czrah, you mean that you need to start over? true.20:38
czrI was thinking of the remote end since tar over there will end up extracting all the files up to the fail-point.20:38
alteregoYou hope20:39
alteregoYou'll probably end up with half a file :P20:39
czrI never considered that a problem actually. I normally run rsync over ssh.20:39
czrwhen the midway is known to be unreliable.20:40
czrheh. "sure".20:40
czr(I'm thinking of large file transfer, have nothing against svn for other uses)20:41
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czrany hints on how the bme-dbus integration works?20:42
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czrthe bme inserts events to the dbus system daemon?20:43
czrhmm. any way to make a nice pstree -pu listing on the device? (short of building a pstree for it?)20:46
straindSince I'm awake again, and there's a little activity here now...20:46
straindIs anyone running gpsd on a 770?  I can't get it to install.20:46
* Tak|work isn't20:46
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pupnik"It matters not to me whether my neighbor worships one god or ten - it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson20:47
alteregoSmart words20:47
alteregoMore people should think like that.20:48
* alterego forgets what he's doing.20:49
straindalterego: You were trying to install gpsd on a 770.20:50
alteregoI don't think so.20:50
straindMaybe it was czr.20:51
czrnah, unfortunately have my hands full already, maybe in couple of weeks I'll have more time20:51
czrsince you can't your way anyway, you're not going anywhere, so you're ok with that /me jedi_hand_waves.20:52
czrcan't find your way..20:52
* czr needs to concentrate more jedi powers on typing.20:52
alteregoCool .. My XML browser is working :)20:52
alterego65 lines ^_^20:53
czryay, pstree works now20:54
czrnow, if only there would be a similar tool to relate local processes and theads that are communicating via shm, shared files or UNIX_AF(SEQ,STREAM,DATAGRAM)20:54
czrstraind, since you won't get the gpsd working anyway, can't you ask alterego to teach you how to use ruby to write that tool in 4 or less lines?20:55
alteregoWhat tool?20:55
straindAre we just trying to slow alterego down?20:55
alteregoI think that's his evil plan ;)20:55
czrI don't think you can slow a person with mental delusions :-)20:55
czror rather, that it would matter much :-)20:56
czralterego, ever used pstree -pu?20:56
alteregoYou're calling me dillusional? You're the paranoid one!20:56
czrwho told you?20:56
alteregoI got that impressions from your security oriented software development techniques ;)20:56
czrnah, that's just plain sense20:57
alteregoI haev now.20:57
alteregoThat's neat.20:57
czrisn't it20:57
czrbuilt that on arm now20:57
czrgoing to make a map of N800 processes in normal state20:57
czrfor later research, to find out what does what exactly20:57
czrbut it would be nice to see also the unix sockets and such20:57
alteregoI could parse that in Ruby and make a nice GUI.20:57
alteregoCould you package that?20:57
czralterego, sure, give me a sec20:58
czryou just want the binary package?20:58
alteregoYeah, I can always compile it myself :)20:58
czrpstree comes in psmisc, it also includes killall20:58
alteregoAre you going to keep the package available?20:58
czrthat's why I'm weary of throwing you the psmisc package20:58
czrhumm? it's open source man. standard debian stuff20:58
alteregoNot everyone wants to compile their stuff :P20:59
czrjust pull the source to your regular desktop and take the source package off there into the SDK, build in ARMEL and you're set20:59
czrI can just give you the binary if you want20:59
alteregoNeah, don't bother. If I get around to doing it I'll make my own package.20:59
czrtis too late:
alteregoDamn you!21:00
czrchmod +x , for ARMEL/N800.21:00
alteregoOh, I thought you were going to make a .deb :P21:00
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czrI can make a deb too, but that will also give you killall21:00
czrand you already have killall21:00
alteregoI like to release my software :P21:00
czrso that would cause a mess21:00
alteregoThen delete it.21:00
alteregoYou don't have to put killall in the package.21:01
czrit's already packaged21:01
czris just rebuilt the package for ARMEL21:01
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* alterego is trying to dominate maemo garage with Ruby software ^_^21:01
pupnik<air guitar> o_  o/  o_21:02
* Tak|work rewriting xmaeme in ruby when he gets time21:02
czrdon't tell you I didn't warn you about it replacing the killall then.21:02
alteregoWill it break the system?21:02
czrI just copied the binary for my device, package completely untested21:02
czrit eats your system it's your fault.21:02
* czr shrugs21:02
alteregoI think I'll make the package myself :P21:02
czrhey, what you complaining about? You get FULL GNU WARRANTY!21:03
alteregoAnd not replace anything ..21:03
czrand FOR FREE!21:03
pupnikand the other scientists thought we were mad...21:03
alteregoEveryone thinks you're mad :P21:03
pupnikyou... forced me to use it!21:04
czrpupnik, I? :-)21:06
czrwhat is missing is proper netstat report21:07
czrgoing to build the proper netstat in a sec21:07
pupnikthat dude's "nvi" vi-replacement from bsd is so awesome it should be on maemo.org21:08
* pupnik tosses vim out the window21:08
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czradded the two netstat reports as well, alterego21:10
czr-lp = listening processes (tcp, udp and unix sockets), -vp = active connections (tcp, udp and unix)21:10
czrthe reports are pretty wide21:11
czrI find it interesting that maemo_af_desktop is listening on UDP 39400, 39500 and 190021:11
czrany ideas why?21:11
czrah, the 39500 is TCP, others UDP21:12
* czr decides to telnet to it21:12
czrah. maybe I installed some server software21:12
czr39500 is http at least21:12
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czrisn't it :-)21:13
czrthat's why I wanted a proper netstat21:14
alteregoSo what's on 39500?21:14
czrmaemo_af_desktop (PID 2718 in the listings)21:14
alteregoWhat is the HTTP server serving? :)21:14
czraccepts HTTP21:14
czroh no, 400s actually21:14
czrI tried GET / HTTP/1.0, it replied with HTTP/1.0 40021:14
czr(bad request)21:14
czrContent-Length: 021:15
czrDate: Fri, 05 Oct ...21:15
czrno other server headers21:15
czrnow. call me paranoid.21:15
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alteregoYou're paranoid21:15
czrbut why does a process called 'maemo_af_desktop' need to accept HTTP requests?21:15
alteregoCheck the source.21:15
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alteregoIt's available.21:15
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czrthe whole af is open?21:16
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alteregoProbably not.21:16
alteregoBut maybe the bit you're looking for is :)21:16
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czrhmm. I'll just add it to the list of stuff to check later when I have more time21:16
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alteregoHmm, well, you've certainly found something interesting there :)21:16
czrand I didn't even use ruby or meta programming.21:17
alteregoWhy would you?21:17
alteregoI thought you wanted to use Bash :P21:17
czrmeh. didn't I already throw you out of the window? :-)21:17
alteregoWhich .. I guess you did use actually ^_^21:17
czrwell, can't really avoid bash, can I.21:18
czror I could, but I'd rather not.21:18
czrhmm. what else do I need to get21:18
alteregodmesg would be nice ..21:19
czrtoo late for that for this device21:19
kalahow do i install the maemokrypt? i cant find a repository and when i download the .deb file the browser displays it in binary21:19
czrthe buffer is already overwritten with useless stuff21:19
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czralterego, I could always boot it and get it then, but I'd rather not now21:19
Atariikala sae the deb file21:19
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kalaAtarii: hmm..21:20
Atariithen open it in the application manager21:20
Atariii had this problem earlier when tryin to install UKMP21:20
alteregoI download and save them all before installing packages anyhow.21:20
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kalaAtarii: oh, there is save as in the menu21:21
Atariiyea, dont know why the one click install stopped workin tho21:22
* alterego adds download support to his XML Viewer21:22
alteregoServer misconfiguration.21:22
* pupnik whispers "sdl with screen rotation"21:23
alteregoIf the debs are not being sent with the right content-type21:23
alteregoOr at least, that's my guess ;)21:23
kalaAtarii: uh, which extension the app manager looks for?21:24
alteregoIt does frustrate me when people don't set up their servers/application properly ..21:24
kalai thought so21:24
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czralterego, added new stuff from under proc21:25
czresp 'bootreason' was interesting :-)21:25
alteregoThat's cool.21:25
czrnot really sure what to display from /sys. there's a lot of stuff there as well, but I'm lacking proper tools to collect everything into a coherent report.21:26
kaladoesn't fibd any apps to install from folder21:26
czrmaybe I'll just stop instead :-)21:26
czralterego, anyhow, that stuff is public, so be free to use it for whatever you like21:26
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czrit's easy enough to dig out by anyone should they want it21:26
alteregoczr, thanks. I'll bookmark it :)21:26
* czr nods21:27
alteregoNice and convenient.21:27
czrremind me to do the dmesg at some point21:28
kalaalso, when i click on krypt.deb, the browser opens it. how come?21:28
Atariiport dmesg :p21:28
alteregodmesg is already on the device.21:28
Atariicoz its saved as filename_deb.htm21:29
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Atariiyou need to use xterm to rename it to .deb21:29
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kalaAtarii: i renamed it21:29
_Monkeyrumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. or for an alternate onscreen keyboard21:29
Atariiin xterm?21:29
kalahuh. ok21:29
Atariiu need to use something to rename the actual file including filetype21:30
Atariifile browser just renames the name21:30
Atariiwat happened to the xterm which uses the hardware arrows for navigation?21:31
alteregoThat one does ..21:31
alteregoAt least it does for me.21:31
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czrbtw, anyone aware of an osso-xterm for chinook SDK?21:33
Atariiit just goes to the last thing typed for me21:33
czrhad some problems rebuilding libvte yesterday (used by osso-xterm) and the build failed miserably because of this21:33
kalaumm, where exactly is this Documents folder?21:35
Atariialterego does it scroll up and down for you?21:35
czrkala on sdk or device?21:35
alteregocommand history?21:35
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kalaczr: on filesytem21:36
kalaah, hidden file21:36
alteregohidden directory.21:36
czrthat didn't really answer my question, but I guess you got an answer anyway :-)21:36
Atariiwat version of xterm do u use alterego?21:37
alteregoErm ..21:37
alteregoI think it's the latest.21:37
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kalauh. installed. that was hard21:38
Atariio same as me21:38
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kalabut this maemokrypt doesnt really work seamlessly. is there any possibility to use encypted fs.or smthing?21:42
alteregoThere's always a possibility.21:43
alteregoYou could also mount an encrypted image as a loop back device.21:44
kalai'm really temped to put ssh private keys and web passwords to n770, but when i lose it...21:44
alteregoWhich would probably be better.21:44
alteregoYou could just hide them.21:45
* alterego keeps passwords on the device.21:45
kalain a special app?21:45
alteregoPlain text.21:46
alteregoI might encrypt them at some point.21:46
kalaas long as you don't have malware on device, you only risk is to loose plaintext passwords. and crypted browser settings and some folders should be fine21:48
kalaanyway, have to get some encypted sleep as well...21:49
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cbx33hey dudes22:50
_Monkeyque tal, RobAtWork22:50
RobAtWorknada pasa22:50
cbx33listen, with the latest what has actually it worth reflashing everything and losing all my installed apps?22:50
cbx33or shuold i just reflash the kernel22:50
cbx33if so, how do i do that?22:50
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RobAtWorkpupnik, did anything more ever come of that samegame port you did?22:51
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RobAtWorkhere comes teh cavalry22:52
r2d2rogerscbx33, still have that question?22:52
cbx33r2d2rogers, yes22:52
r2d2rogersone sec22:52
cbx33hey pupnik long time22:52
r2d2rogersposted that to a blog jsut today ;)22:52
r2d2rogersI'm glad google reader got a search now22:53
cbx33i think it was mine22:53
r2d2rogersit made it MUCH easier to find22:53
r2d2rogersnaah the blog was
cbx33it was also posted as a link on mine22:53
cbx33what else has changed aside fro mthe kernel?22:53
cbx33someone mentioned a downloads bug too?22:53
cbx33oh ok22:53
r2d2rogersthey didn't want to confuse the issue with the upcoming chinook release22:54
cbx33I'll flash the kernel tomorrow then ;)22:54
cbx33is chinook for n800?22:54
r2d2rogersmaemo 4 <G>22:54
cbx33what will it bring?22:54
r2d2rogersnot certain22:54
cbx33oooh tell me tell me22:54
cbx33I'm all excited22:54
r2d2rogersI'm on a 77022:54
cbx33how long till it's released?22:54
cbx33do we know?22:54
r2d2rogerschecking again onemin22:54
pupnikRobAtWork: i did sometink wif samegame?22:55
cbx33hey pupnik22:55
cbx33r2d2rogers, brb22:55
cbx33thanks for checking for me22:55
RobAtWorkI was reading a log that suggested you had22:55
RobAtWorkfrom like July22:55
pupniki probably played with it and got bored fast22:55
RobAtWorkok that's what I was wondering22:56
pupnikoh yaaa22:56
pupnikgtk board games / gtkboard22:56
pupnikall the gtk stuff is back-burner atm22:57
RobAtWorkfair enough22:57
RobAtWorka same game clone is the one I play the most on my phone, thought I'd seek out a 770 version, and found that log22:57
r2d2rogerscbx33,  bug fix release info
pupniki think it just needs resizing and menu conversion22:58
RobAtWorkthat one, yeah22:58
RobAtWorkone of the games in there crashed the app so I just uninstalled it :)22:58
RobAtWork...I thnk22:59
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r2d2rogersI wish planet maemo had better search23:00
r2d2rogerscbx33, chinook look and feel
r2d2rogerscbx33, API info...
r2d2rogersdepends on how deep you wanna get on that one23:01
r2d2rogersand stuff about running chinook on the SDcards/MMC for N80023:01
r2d2rogerswant that one?23:01
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kuzewHey, anyone around?23:50
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