| Tak|work | pupnik: are there any tricks you've discovered about thumbpresses on 2007he? | 00:00 |
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| Tak|work | e.g. the fceu buttons are much less sensitive: do I need to tweak some setting? | 00:00 |
| pupnik | no idea | 00:01 |
| Tb0n3 | know what's too sensitive? the hardbuttons | 00:01 |
| Tb0n3 | I get double arrow clicks all the time | 00:01 |
| Tak|work | eh, ok - thought you might have run into it | 00:01 |
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| pupnik | Tak|work: does 2007he noticeably fix any xsp issues for you? | 00:02 |
| Tak|work | not that I've noticed - what kind of xsp issues? | 00:03 |
| Tak|work | basically the only reasons I'm running it are: larger swap file, less obsoleted software | 00:04 |
| pupnik | there were bugfixes mentioned, never helped me | 00:04 |
| Tak|work | since the 2nd 2007 release where they added xsp, I've never had any xsp issues | 00:05 |
| pupnik | well it's not just me - you can see problems in the quake1 port as well | 00:05 |
| pupnik | i'm a little sensitive about this issue :) | 00:06 |
| Tak|work | yeah, I know - I think we reached the consensus that I got lucky | 00:06 |
| pupnik | i need to look at fceu again | 00:07 |
| pupnik | you don't use maemo-games-startup, right? | 00:07 |
| pupnik | it seems to be a good solution to allow for pausing games and task-switching | 00:08 |
| pupnik | i think i should get around to using it as a launcher | 00:08 |
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| t_s_o | heh, just showed a friend of mine the carman homepage. guess he will order a N800 shortly | 00:32 |
| pupnik | :) | 00:33 |
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| t_s_o | i hope expansys can help me with my 770's wsod | 00:36 |
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| ubuntu__ | hmm | 00:37 |
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| Tb0n3r | :/ | 00:37 |
| Tb0n3r | anyhow | 00:37 |
| Tb0n3r | where can I find the OS2006 to keep in case I don't like 2007he? | 00:38 |
| Tb0n3r | get it from nokia? | 00:38 |
| t_s_o | i think both can be found where you found 2007he | 00:39 |
| Tb0n3r | and should I get flasher or flasher3.0 | 00:39 |
| Tb0n3r | hmm | 00:39 |
| Tb0n3r | I found it on ITT | 00:39 |
| Tb0n3r | internet tablet talk | 00:39 |
| t_s_o | yes, but it directed you to a link where you should input some number, right? | 00:39 |
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| Tb0n3r | eys | 00:39 |
| Tb0n3r | *yes | 00:40 |
| Tb0n3r | mac address | 00:40 |
| t_s_o | after that you can download any of the images, 2006, 2007, 2007he iirc | 00:40 |
| shapr | I like 2007he | 00:40 |
| Tb0n3r | wow, god damn, nokia supports all this and it fucking pwns | 00:40 |
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| shapr | Though it won't do text chat for some reason. | 00:40 |
| t_s_o | i plan to go 2007he if i get the wsod issue fixed... | 00:41 |
| Tb0n3 | :O white screen of death | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | well, it's not really the same | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | bsod has words | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | otherwise it'd just be a blue screen, or a blank screen | 00:42 |
| Tb0n3 | it's just brick | 00:42 |
| ||cw | wsod is a hardware failure anyway | 00:42 |
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| t_s_o | if not ill look into getting a N800, as i think im hooked ;) | 00:44 |
| disq | what's the fuss about pymaemo repo being borked? | 00:44 |
| Tb0n3 | lulz so many things of death these days, feels like tech is becoming a fantasy novel | 00:44 |
| Tb0n3 | or a mmorpg | 00:44 |
| pupnik | bring your tablet with you and show it to people - generate sales for nokia | 00:44 |
| Tb0n3 | <3 my tablet, and I love to brag | 00:45 |
| pupnik | weemon like it too | 00:45 |
| Tb0n3 | oo, look at this beautiful piece of technology I hold in my hand | 00:45 |
| Tb0n3 | "ooo, it's so small" | 00:45 |
| Tb0n3 | you know it baby | 00:45 |
| pupnik | I just showed it to an 80 year old teacher lady and she was excited about it | 00:46 |
| Tb0n3 | so, flasher or flasher3.0 | 00:46 |
| pupnik | didn't have an open wlan available tho | 00:46 |
| Tb0n3 | get a bluetooth cell with a dataplan | 00:46 |
| Tb0n3 | Xd | 00:46 |
| pupnik | for gregale i use flasher 2 | 00:46 |
| pupnik | i have to save money for my next tablet | 00:47 |
| Tb0n3 | what's the differences? | 00:47 |
| Tb0n3 | I've got the stock firmware and want to go to 2007he | 00:47 |
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| Tb0n3 | should I enable r&d mode? | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | for 2007he? no need | 00:51 |
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| Tb0n3 | flasher doesn't seem to detect my 770 | 00:52 |
| Tb0n3 | well, flasher3.0 | 00:52 |
| pupnik | i use 2.0 for 770 | 00:53 |
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| Tb0n3 | k | 00:53 |
| shapr | Is there a todo app for os2007? | 00:54 |
| shapr | I used the os2006 todo app very much. | 00:54 |
| Tb0n3 | device not founded | 00:55 |
| Tb0n3 | is there some sorta setting I need to activate to make it connect right? | 00:55 |
| Tb0n3 | take out the card or something? | 00:55 |
| Tb0n3 | turn it off? | 00:55 |
| pupnik | must follow instructions | 00:55 |
| shapr | I can actually do that most of the time. | 00:55 |
| pupnik | don't know todo app | 00:56 |
| Tb0n3 | gpe | 00:56 |
| pupnik | should be avail tho | 00:56 |
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| Tb0n3 | suitable usb device, still not found | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3 | :( | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3 | errr, is ubuntu 6.06 dapper drake? | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3 | lulz | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3 | yup | 00:58 |
| Tb0n3 | wow | 00:58 |
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| Tb0n3 | T_T | 00:59 |
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| t_s_o | never had a issue flashing my 770 here, following the stuff on the maemo page | 01:06 |
| Tb0n3 | I'm on an ubuntu 6.06 live cd | 01:07 |
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| trevarthan | disq: is the new firmware a feature release? or just bug fixes? | 02:14 |
| |R | bug from what the PR says | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | sorry. didn't mean to address that to just disq. | 02:17 |
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| pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0bKq3x74UE manualist plays super mario bros. theme on his hands | 02:24 |
| trevarthan | wow. is python busted in the new firmware? | 02:25 |
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| b0unc3 | pupnik: lol | 02:29 |
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| sp3000 | trevarthan: like how? | 02:30 |
| sp3000 | fwiw extras bora at least is being funny and apparently hid all its arch:all pkgs or something for the moment | 02:31 |
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| pupnik | ahhhh ty for explanation | 02:32 |
| sp3000 | huh, python2.5-runtime 0.4-12 is arch:all and 0.4-10 arch:armel? interesting (esp when arch:all disappears) | 02:33 |
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| trevarthan | app manager needs a freakin 'update all' | 02:44 |
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| t_s_o | would love to see a web tablet running on this one: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2917028234.html | 03:26 |
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| birgi | night everybody, is there a c/c++ compiler for maemo? | 03:49 |
| pupnik | gcc | 03:57 |
| pupnik | darn this alsa | 04:04 |
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| unique311 | ok, i just learned this, and need to share.. | 06:14 |
| unique311 | How to get drunk fast. | 06:14 |
| unique311 | really fast | 06:14 |
| unique311 | beer or wine enema. btw, off topic. | 06:15 |
| Luria | iv ethanol? | 06:16 |
| unique311 | that will work also | 06:16 |
| Luria | how did you learn such a thing? | 06:16 |
| unique311 | manswers.... | 06:16 |
| unique311 | a show on spiketv | 06:16 |
| Luria | i know the show | 06:17 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:17 |
| Luria | shame. a better answer and i could have put this on bash | 06:17 |
| Luria | :-> | 06:17 |
| Luria | like a story involving a shetland pony, a bearded woman, a golf ball, and a garden hose. | 06:18 |
| unique311 | http://www.funnydump.com/files/bNf1FjxC.jpg a supported. | 06:19 |
| Tb0n3 | dumps are not funny | 06:21 |
| Tb0n3 | they're smelly | 06:21 |
| unique311 | Tb0n3: no a beer enema is not suppose to be funny....its suppose to get you really fucked up. | 06:22 |
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| unique311 | drinking wine gets me fecked up. | 06:22 |
| unique311 | wine is dangerous stuff | 06:22 |
| Luria | wine is good | 06:22 |
| Tb0n3 | funny how you mention this now and it was on 4chan not too long ago | 06:23 |
| unique311 | sorry for not being hip to 4chan | 06:23 |
| unique311 | i just saw it on spiketv on manswers... | 06:23 |
| Luria | but yeah, windows apps under linux could be dangerous | 06:23 |
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| Tb0n3 | wine is not dangerous stuff, it's sophisticated stuff, you hoodlums just keep using it like it were hard liquor | 06:24 |
| Tb0n3 | :P | 06:24 |
| Tb0n3 | lolboxofwine | 06:24 |
| Luria | ugh | 06:24 |
| Luria | wineboxes. | 06:24 |
| unique311 | wow, hoodlums... | 06:25 |
| unique311 | thanks for the branding. | 06:25 |
| unique311 | made my night. | 06:25 |
| Luria | btw | 06:25 |
| Luria | http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/30/india.nazi.bedspread.ap/ | 06:25 |
| Luria | the funnydump pic isnt so shocking | 06:26 |
| unique311 | wow. | 06:26 |
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| unique311 | it isn't | 06:26 |
| Tb0n3 | well, if that were in the united states where there's freedom of speech | 06:27 |
| Tb0n3 | oh wait, nevermind, they'd still get sued by jews | 06:27 |
| Tb0n3 | omg, I'm offended by wtf u r doin | 06:27 |
| Tb0n3 | stop it or I sue | 06:27 |
| Luria | see, a confederate flag flying in the north of germany, that was a bit shocking | 06:27 |
| Tb0n3 | lol | 06:28 |
| unique311 | freedom of speech is there.... | 06:28 |
| Tb0n3 | see a nazi flag in germany and it'll be gone in a second | 06:28 |
| Tb0n3 | also new flag says "No halocaustlol" | 06:28 |
| unique311 | just gotta know how to go about it, i guess. | 06:28 |
| unique311 | freedom of speech, but....Should be what is said. | 06:29 |
| Tb0n3 | you should be able to go into court and say "freedom of speech lol" and actually pronounce the lol so they know it's retarded to prosecute for percieved "offences" | 06:29 |
| Tb0n3 | there's many freedoms | 06:29 |
| Tb0n3 | if the company wants business they can change their stuff, but if they want they should be able to make what they want | 06:30 |
| unique311 | well they should... | 06:30 |
| Luria | i have no idea what the laws in india are | 06:30 |
| Tb0n3 | meh | 06:30 |
| Luria | and i suspect neither do you. | 06:30 |
| unique311 | but considering the jews rule the world right now....i would be very careful about | 06:30 |
| Tb0n3 | fuck religion | 06:31 |
| Tb0n3 | eherm | 06:31 |
| unique311 | selling stuff that would offend them.. | 06:31 |
| Luria | true. | 06:31 |
| unique311 | same here, i think the world is better of without religion.. | 06:31 |
| Tb0n3 | well, it's more corporations, but corps don't run the courts | 06:31 |
| Tb0n3 | just the lawyers | 06:31 |
| unique311 | you sure | 06:31 |
| Tb0n3 | all religion does is cause enmity towards others and high standards that just cause people to hide what they're doing | 06:32 |
| Tb0n3 | it's not a solution, it's a rug to cover the dirt | 06:32 |
| Tb0n3 | "There are about 5,500 Jews living in India, a predominantly Hindu nation of 1.1 billion people." | 06:32 |
| Tb0n3 | HA | 06:32 |
| Tb0n3 | what about the symbol on buddah's hand though, I'm sure somebody's offended by that | 06:33 |
| unique311 | what's this symbol? | 06:34 |
| Tb0n3 | I believe it's a swastica | 06:35 |
| Luria | well, speaking as a jew who used to work for a non profit group representing holocaust survivors.... no, no one cares about the swastikas on buddas. | 06:35 |
| Tb0n3 | but not called that | 06:35 |
| unique311 | google doesn't seem to want to help me with that one.. | 06:35 |
| Tb0n3 | I used to wear a shirt from tshirt hell "I like my women like I like my coffee" "ground up and in the freezer" so I don't care about offending people | 06:36 |
| unique311 | its on his chest.. | 06:36 |
| unique311 | also | 06:36 |
| Tb0n3 | also, "rape is no laughing matter" "unless you're raping a clown" | 06:36 |
| unique311 | http://www.mega.nu/ampp/eden/buddha01.jpg | 06:36 |
| Tb0n3 | and it's in his palms | 06:36 |
| Luria | also, there is a difference between a hackenkreuz and a swastika, though not in common speech. | 06:36 |
| Tb0n3 | so, clockwise/counterclockwise, square/diamond? | 06:37 |
| Tb0n3 | crap, I should stop now, I'm already known several other places for my monologues and rants | 06:37 |
| unique311 | so the hackenkreuz was being sported by the kid in the picture.... | 06:37 |
| Luria | pretty much. but its also fairly contextual. | 06:37 |
| Tb0n3 | no, the kid is wearing a swastica | 06:38 |
| unique311 | the bedspread is nazi all the way...nothing to do with buddha there right.. | 06:38 |
| Luria | i think the issue here was the "NAZI" name for the line. | 06:38 |
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| Tb0n3 | it's a symbol, as the article says they don't know wtf hitler was so well known for, just another guy in history, people make fun of wars | 06:39 |
| Tb0n3 | like ours right now | 06:39 |
| Luria | i suspect a line of bedsheets with swastikas only wouldnt have been noticed | 06:39 |
| Luria | all i can say - its a good thing they werent making lampshades. | 06:40 |
| unique311 | hey Tb0n3 our war has a meaning.. | 06:40 |
| unique311 | oil. | 06:40 |
| Tb0n3 | then why are gas prices rising | 06:40 |
| Tb0n3 | if it were for oil then it wouldn't make sense | 06:40 |
| unique311 | not sure..lol | 06:40 |
| Tb0n3 | we're there because our president had an agenda | 06:40 |
| Tb0n3 | avenge daddy | 06:40 |
| unique311 | maybe it would be 3 times as high, if the war didn't happen.. | 06:40 |
| unique311 | All wars have reasons....may not be good ones at times... | 06:41 |
| Tb0n3 | what I don't understand is, wtf did we go after saddam when he wasn't the one who did anything to us recently | 06:41 |
| unique311 | but reasons are there.. | 06:41 |
| Tb0n3 | that coulda been put on the backburner | 06:41 |
| unique311 | i know it sucks to think this way... | 06:41 |
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| Tb0n3 | send 1million troops to afganistan and maybe shit wouldn't have gotten away | 06:41 |
| Tb0n3 | who's a bin laden? | 06:42 |
| Tb0n3 | sounds familiar | 06:42 |
| unique311 | he might be dead.. | 06:42 |
| Tb0n3 | wasn't that the guy who helped saddam bomb the us? | 06:42 |
| Tb0n3 | :P | 06:42 |
| Luria | grrr why did i stay home.... sigh... cute women | 06:44 |
| * Luria debates going out now | 06:45 | |
| unique311 | predictions for the next leader that gets it from america? bets? | 06:45 |
| unique311 | wed. night.... | 06:46 |
| Tb0n3 | how about bush | 06:46 |
| Tb0n3 | I want bush to get it from america | 06:46 |
| unique311 | not going to happen.. | 06:46 |
| Tb0n3 | then again, if he got it, we'd be stuck with the devil himself | 06:46 |
| Luria | umm, no one? | 06:46 |
| _Monkey | no one is on skype now | 06:46 |
| Tb0n3 | XD | 06:47 |
| Luria | _monkey, die? | 06:47 |
| _Monkey | no idea, luria | 06:47 |
| Tb0n3 | http://www.infomercialscams.com/scams/video_professor | 06:47 |
| Tb0n3 | :D | 06:47 |
| unique311 | Iran presidente, is really acting invincible right about now.... | 06:47 |
| Luria | na und?` | 06:48 |
| Tb0n3 | when have we gone after the most deserving enemy? | 06:48 |
| unique311 | touche | 06:49 |
| Tb0n3 | we'll probably go after tony blair or something | 06:49 |
| Tb0n3 | cause he dun totally screwed us over by giving up | 06:49 |
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| Tb0n3 | :P | 06:50 |
| Luria | screw going out. pizza. | 06:50 |
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| Tb0n3 | yum | 06:50 |
| Luria | god bless seamlessweb.com | 06:51 |
| Luria | and delivery.com too | 06:51 |
| Tb0n3 | with flasher-2.0 do I have to have only 1 usb device plugged in for it to recognize it? | 06:51 |
| Luria | and freshdirect | 06:51 |
| Tb0n3 | cause it didn't seem to work on ubuntu 6.06 | 06:51 |
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| Tb0n3 | who knows somebody who still owns windows ME | 06:56 |
| Luria | i own it... i even had it installed on a computer for about an hour and a half | 06:57 |
| Luria | seven years ago | 06:57 |
| Tb0n3 | lol | 06:57 |
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| Luria | oooh alds yankees tomorrow | 07:02 |
| Luria | boston/nyy alcs would rock | 07:03 |
| Blacksitox | bye | 07:06 |
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| Luria | gyro pizza or mexican. thse are the choices that try men's souls. | 07:24 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/WalkingSteps.wav <<< UltimaIV walking steps done correctly - you can hear how the pitch changes slightly/randomly with each step. That's how it's done right. | 07:27 |
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| Luria | hmmm nothing's happening with the hildon ham group. shame. | 07:31 |
| pupnik | heh wb Luria | 07:33 |
| Luria | hey thanks | 07:33 |
| pupnik | graah Audacity adds 4.6 seconds to the end of every sample | 07:33 |
| pupnik | amateurs! | 07:33 |
| Luria | hmmm... 44 people for the slashdot party in nyc | 07:35 |
| Luria | not bad | 07:35 |
| pupnik | I should open a mexican fast food joint someday | 07:35 |
| Luria | if you do, sign up with seamlessweb and delivery.com | 07:37 |
| Luria | i love ordering food online | 07:37 |
| pupnik | there appear hm 39 mexican restaurants in hessen (pop 6.2 million) | 07:49 |
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| unique311 | i have a hardrive that i think is stuck in sleep mode.. | 08:09 |
| unique311 | can it be waken up. | 08:09 |
| unique311 | come to find out, everything in my thinkpad is ok..the hardrive is just sleep and will not wake up... | 08:10 |
| unique311 | or broken... | 08:10 |
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| Tb0n3 | ummm | 08:14 |
| Tb0n3 | harddrives don't sleep | 08:14 |
| Tb0n3 | it's the computer's problem, just hard reboot | 08:15 |
| pupnik | they can | 08:15 |
| ulpe | sounds like a bad horror movie name | 08:15 |
| Tb0n3 | lol | 08:15 |
| pupnik | man hdparm | 08:15 |
| Tb0n3 | look out for the harddrive that never sleeps | 08:15 |
| ulpe | "Harddrives don't sleep" in theater near you! | 08:15 |
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| pupnik | hdparm -S Set the standby (spindown) timeout for the drive | 08:15 |
| Tb0n3 | awww, and here I thought I could eat my hd with parmesian | 08:16 |
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| pupnik | repositories? | 08:23 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 08:23 |
| pupnik | 0 repos for wxwidgets | 08:23 |
| pupnik | would be nice to have libwxgtk2.6-0 | 08:24 |
| * czr wraps libwxgtk2.6-0 into gift wrapping paper and gives it to pupnik | 08:27 | |
| pupnik | is it even possible/practical to get wxwidgets on the tablet? | 08:28 |
| czr | possible yes, practical not very maybe. not sure about the build deps on it, but if they're complex then you might want to rethink | 08:29 |
| unique311 | hardrive is definitely screwed... | 08:29 |
| pupnik | http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/18 I am working in the port of wxWidgets and wxPython to the Maemo platform | 08:30 |
| czr | pupnik, any reason why wx instead of gtk? (just curious) | 08:30 |
| pupnik | audacity wants wx | 08:31 |
| czr | audacity also wants a lot of resources if you want to use it for anything practical | 08:31 |
| czr | and the GUI isn't very useable with small reso either | 08:31 |
| czr | at least imho | 08:31 |
| pupnik | yah | 08:32 |
| czr | but hmm. I don't see why you couldn't port wx over to maemo | 08:32 |
| czr | I have a lot of crazy projects as well, so I'm in no position to say that yours sucks :-) | 08:33 |
| pupnik | actually running one in a window now at 640x480 | 08:33 |
| pupnik | it's not serious | 08:33 |
| czr | how many tracks can you fit there? | 08:33 |
| * czr ndos | 08:33 | |
| czr | noddds. | 08:33 |
| pupnik | umm checking | 08:34 |
| pupnik | about 6 would be usable | 08:35 |
| czr | I normally use about two tracks at a time (visible) with vert reso of ~900 | 08:35 |
| czr | but I guess I'm picky then :-) (I like to see the waveforms properly) | 08:36 |
| pupnik | sorry i wrong | 08:36 |
| pupnik | about 3 tracks | 08:36 |
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| czr | you planning to do rework on the GUI? | 08:36 |
| czr | for maemo | 08:36 |
| pupnik | no i am not gonna touch it | 08:36 |
| czr | ok | 08:36 |
| czr | maybe then it would be suitable for one/two tracks | 08:36 |
| czr | can't imagine using it for real work though, not with the stylus at least | 08:37 |
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| czr | but I'm limited! | 08:37 |
| pupnik | there are no rightclicks in audacity | 08:37 |
| Tb0n3 | how should my 770 be when I connect to the usb for flasher | 08:37 |
| czr | oh, I'm not worried about those (don't use them), I'm more worried about the resolution of the touch pad | 08:37 |
| pupnik | Tb0n3: off | 08:38 |
| czr | Tb0n3, read the instructions? | 08:38 |
| Tb0n3 | point to instructions? | 08:38 |
| czr | flasher? | 08:38 |
| _Monkey | i heard flasher was available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 08:38 |
| Tb0n3 | and that's where I got it from | 08:38 |
| Tb0n3 | but there's no instructions to it | 08:38 |
| czr | weird | 08:39 |
| czr | there used to be (long time ago, in a galaxy far away) | 08:39 |
| Tb0n3 | I'll try it on feisty fawn, if I can get it started | 08:39 |
| Tb0n3 | some reason my laptop doesn't like it much | 08:39 |
| czr | Tb0n3, this? : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 08:39 |
| czr | Tb0n3, and this: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage.html | 08:40 |
| pupnik | can you teach them to monkey pls - i'm off | 08:40 |
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| czr | pupnikzzz, later, and good luck with your port | 08:40 |
| Tb0n3 | aha | 08:40 |
| Tb0n3 | shut off | 08:40 |
| Tb0n3 | :D | 08:40 |
| Tb0n3 | well, I'll be back | 08:40 |
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| Tb0n3r | yay, I figured out what it was | 08:58 |
| Tb0n3r | I didn't turn it on | 08:58 |
| Tb0n3r | hooray for rtfming | 08:59 |
| Tb0n3r | guess, I'll see how 2007 is | 09:00 |
| czr | 2007 been quite ok so far | 09:01 |
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| zchydem | is it a known feature that after running command: "PAGER=less fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade" when upgrading SDK, the network stops working? | 09:53 |
| jjo_ | I'm guessing you mead upgrading from 3.1 to 3.2 | 09:55 |
| zchydem | jeps | 09:55 |
| jjo_ | and no, it's not a feature | 09:55 |
| zchydem | I tried to do that twice, and the problem occured twice.. | 09:55 |
| zchydem | is there a "nice and clean way" to install maemo SDK directly to the latest version without doing any apt-get update stuff? | 09:57 |
| jjo_ | not for 3.2 | 09:57 |
| jjo_ | it's such a minor upgrade | 09:57 |
| zchydem | how about the 4.0 beta | 09:57 |
| zchydem | ? | 09:57 |
| jjo_ | beta 4.0 will install stuff from the internet | 09:58 |
| jjo_ | are you starting from scratch? I mean first scratchbox install and all... | 09:59 |
| zchydem | jeps I'm a newbie:) | 09:59 |
| jjo_ | ok, then it might be the 'well known' bug | 09:59 |
| zchydem | waiting my first N800 to arrive in few days.. | 09:59 |
| Fatal | you plan on buying more than one? :) | 09:59 |
| jjo_ | the problem is most likely in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 10:00 |
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| jjo_ | it's copied directly from your host system when you install sb | 10:00 |
| zchydem | ok and I have done the "host: files dns" modification to that file.. | 10:01 |
| jjo_ | and the line beginning with 'hosts:' should only have options 'files dns' | 10:01 |
| zchydem | after that apt-get update works | 10:01 |
| zchydem | but after running "PAGER=less..." network stops working | 10:01 |
| jjo_ | it should not touch anything that would affect the network connections | 10:02 |
| jjo_ | when you upgrade, does it still fetch and install the packages and then stop working | 10:03 |
| zchydem | yes | 10:03 |
| jjo_ | so you get the latest stuff and then it'll get broken | 10:03 |
| zchydem | yes | 10:03 |
| jjo_ | does the same happen with 4.0 beta? | 10:04 |
| zchydem | no, I haven't tried that yet, but I'm planning to try it tonight | 10:04 |
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| zchydem | or maybe I should try it out now and waste valuable "time" here at work:) | 10:06 |
| jjo_ | :) | 10:06 |
| zchydem | jjo_, my problem is not familiar to you? | 10:07 |
| jjo_ | I've never heard anything like that | 10:08 |
| jjo_ | if you figure it out, I'd like to know what went wrond though | 10:08 |
| jumpula | make sure nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf are correct on both, host and the target side | 10:09 |
| jumpula | eg. /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox | 10:09 |
| jumpula | and same for the resolv.conf | 10:09 |
| jjo_ | but nothing should touch those files | 10:10 |
| jjo_ | but there's no harm in checking | 10:10 |
| zchydem | I've had two problems orignally..the first was that could get network working with wlan. The fix was not to use wlan. May the existence of the two network interface fo something? | 10:10 |
| zchydem | fo=do | 10:10 |
| jumpula | don't know about anything touching the files, from there i would start solving the problem :) | 10:10 |
| jumpula | if my network would be unresponsive | 10:10 |
| jumpula | that is | 10:10 |
| zchydem | jumpula, the network works before running the "PAGER=less.." command | 10:11 |
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| jumpula | that's interesting, since that only specifies the command using which text files are viewed | 10:11 |
| jumpula | shouldn't have an effect like that | 10:12 |
| jjo_ | the command was the one specified to upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2 | 10:12 |
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| jumpula | yeah | 10:13 |
| jjo_ | then it upgrades fine and network stops working, and that's just weird | 10:13 |
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| zchydem | btw, has anyone tried to use/build QTopia on N800? Someone had build KDE for N800, but I think it's not very usable... | 10:24 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:05 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:53 |
| jumpula | hyvää huomenta | 11:58 |
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| guardian | do you know the status of hildon input method framework in chinook ? | 12:11 |
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| pupnikzzz | -/nick pupnik | 12:34 |
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| pupnik | no irc before coffee for me! | 12:48 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:54 |
| pupnik | mogeh | 12:54 |
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| solmumaha | morning | 13:12 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:12 |
| pupnik | o/ | 13:13 |
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| b0unc3 | morning ppl | 13:18 |
| edistar | anything wrong with the maemo site? | 13:20 |
| edistar | not anymore, strange | 13:21 |
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| edistar | is it possible to have a media upnp server outside the subnet? e.g. I have a wifi-router that is attached to a switch, on that switch the server is also attached, but my 770 connects through the wifi-router | 13:28 |
| dev | edistar: it is difficult, as the SSDP udp multicast is supposed to stay in the lan | 13:30 |
| pupnik | http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=16816 DOSBox 0.7x problem with pointer alignment (or endianness?) since cvs commit Jan 24, 2007. Likely candidate in vga_memory.cpp Please pass the hat and see if someone can help. | 13:30 |
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| edistar | dev: ok, thx | 13:32 |
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| lardman | pupnik: Did you see Serge's reply on ITT? | 14:02 |
| pupnik | nope | 14:04 |
| * lardman searches for it | 14:05 | |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10196 | 14:05 |
| pupnik | ty | 14:05 |
| zwnj | is 2.6.18-omap1 the kernel version of 4.2007.38-2 ? | 14:08 |
| lardman | you might also want to look at any structs: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-September/011682.html | 14:09 |
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| lardman | zwnj: It must be the same as the previous version as you can get away with only flashing the kernel (i.e. no modules) | 14:15 |
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| zwnj | well, i just flashed the kernel, as described here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=79099&postcount=61 . so the only thing i can check is the date, yes? | 14:18 |
| zwnj | the kernel date is 21 Sep, is it the new one? | 14:18 |
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| lardman | ah, hang on, I've not flashed it, I'll tell you mine | 14:19 |
| lardman | Mine's Sun Aug 12th | 14:20 |
| lardman | ah, but mine's been rebuilt, so ignore that | 14:20 |
| lardman | anyone with the previous N800 kernel care to give the output of uname -a ? | 14:21 |
| pupnik | wow lardman you rule | 14:22 |
| pupnik | [96001.396148] Alignment trap: dosbox (1363) PC=0x000962d0 Instr=0xe5802004 Addres s=0x014ab5eb FSR 0x813 | 14:22 |
| lardman | now you just have to work out how to find the code that does that! | 14:25 |
| lardman | probably a single arcane gdb instruction :) | 14:26 |
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| lardman | zwnj: I think you should be safe, that date is well and truly after the release date of the last image | 14:28 |
| neal | I'm trying to install the Maemo 3.2 root strap. I followed the tutorial and am now trying to build some stuff. When I run apt-get update && apt-get install -f, I get: The following packages will be REMOVED: bash evolution-data-server-dev hildon-base-lib-dev hildon-control-panel-dev... | 14:30 |
| neal | which looks pretty bad | 14:30 |
| neal | any ideas why 3.2 wouldn't work? | 14:31 |
| neal | or what I need to add? | 14:31 |
| lardman | why are you upgrading? | 14:31 |
| neal | I'm not upgrading | 14:31 |
| neal | I'm installing | 14:31 |
| lardman | what does apt-get install -f do? | 14:31 |
| neal | I started with nothing | 14:31 |
| lardman | oh | 14:31 |
| neal | it tries to fix my installation | 14:31 |
| lardman | dunno then, I just downloaded the rootstrap and left it be | 14:32 |
| neal | well I need to install some packages to be able to work on what I'd like | 14:32 |
| lardman | No idea, sorry. I no almost nothing about how the debian package system works | 14:33 |
| lardman | no! oops, that's very poor - know even | 14:33 |
| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/725396 | 14:39 |
| pupnik | lul bt | 14:39 |
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| lardman | pupnik: I didn't think backtraces were supposed to work on ARM, probably depends on the compilation options though | 14:43 |
| velco | hi | 14:43 |
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| velco | I'm trying to build some software (microb), which says it needs libcairo2, bc and some other packages. Where does one get these from ? | 14:44 |
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| lardman | the maemo repo I guess, it should be setup already afaicr | 14:45 |
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| lardman | libcairo, strange that's needed and isn't already installed.... | 14:46 |
| velco | apt-get install libcairp2-dev | 14:46 |
| velco | E: Couldn't find package libcairo2-dev | 14:46 |
| velco | etc. | 14:46 |
| velco | from here deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 14:47 |
| lardman | you haven't grabbed the source for a new version of microb? Chinook is supposed to use cairo | 14:47 |
| velco | browser is from svn | 14:47 |
| lardman | I have libcairo.so.2.11.4 installed on my n800 | 14:48 |
| zuh | lardman: Do you have evince? | 14:48 |
| lardman | zuh: yes, I may have | 14:49 |
| zuh | AFAIK cairo isn't in the official images, but evince pulls it in from extras or somewhere... | 14:49 |
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| lardman | ah, okay | 14:49 |
| pupnik | lardman: maybe someday we get a /dev/sound/sequencer? dsptask for alsa? :) | 14:53 |
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| lardman | pupnik: You never know. This bloody vorbis decoder is a real pita though - debugging on the DSP is not quick and easy | 14:54 |
| pupnik | :/ | 14:54 |
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| lardman | pupnik: at least not using the free tools, the Windows stuff from Ti has a remote debugger, would be nice :) | 14:54 |
| pupnik | has nokia expressed any interest in your work yet? | 14:54 |
| lardman | I've not produced anything yet! :) | 14:55 |
| lardman | It would be a community add-on anyway | 14:55 |
| lardman | I think the reason there's no dsp vorbis task atm was something to do with lawyers | 14:56 |
| lardman | but I have been talking to some of the Nokia DSP people and they were helpful and friendly, so I'm quite content | 14:57 |
| mbuf | lardman, hi, you use Trace32 for debugging? | 14:59 |
| lardman | mbuf: no, looks commercial to me? | 15:00 |
| mbuf | lardman, yes | 15:00 |
| pupnik | it crashes at vga.latch.d=((Bit32u*)vga.mem.linear)[start] | 15:01 |
| pupnik | gdb = cool | 15:01 |
| lardman | mbuf: this is an amateur hobby for me | 15:01 |
| mbuf | lardman, i see | 15:02 |
| lardman | I also think that to use any sort of remote debugger I'll need support in the dsp kernel, and I'm not sure what's in there - I don't want to recompile if I can avoid it | 15:02 |
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| pupnik | (gdb) set print address on | 15:07 |
| pupnik | (gdb) p 66712 | 15:07 |
| pupnik | $2 = 66712 | 15:07 |
| * pupnik is confuzled | 15:07 | |
| neal | l *0xXXXXX | 15:08 |
| neal | that will print the code corresponding to a memory address | 15:08 |
| pupnik | ty | 15:09 |
| lardman | pupnik: Come on, put us out of our misery, what's caused the problem! | 15:14 |
| lardman | :) | 15:14 |
| pupnik | a cast | 15:16 |
| pupnik | vga.latch.d=((Bit32u*)vga.mem.linear)[start]; | 15:17 |
| pupnik | removing (Bit32u*) got past the error | 15:17 |
| lardman | well done | 15:18 |
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| pupnik | it is all Qbix telling me what to do | 15:20 |
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| Blacksitox | hi :P | 15:50 |
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| Tak|work | morning all | 15:53 |
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| Tak|work | so what did that fix? | 16:00 |
| pupnik | there's no real fix yet - but it was dosbox's uint32 pointer cast that caused the unaligned access | 16:01 |
| Tak|work | ah | 16:01 |
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| Tak|work | how long until I can play Tie Fighter in dosbox? :-P | 16:04 |
| Tak|work | ooo, or daggerfall | 16:04 |
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| pupnik | not soon | 16:06 |
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| Tak|work | hahaha, I'm kidding anyway | 16:06 |
| pupnik | have you tried daggerfall on PC dosbox? | 16:07 |
| Tak|work | I think that if I saw daggerfall on an IT, my head would explode | 16:07 |
| Tak|work | no, but I've done Tie Fighter | 16:07 |
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| pupnik | daggerfall really needs the dynamic recomp and it's slow on my p3 950mhz | 16:07 |
| Tak|work | I have an ancient laptop with a freedos boot solely for daggerfall | 16:08 |
| Tak|work | ancient == less powerful than an n800 | 16:08 |
| pupnik | awesome ccheers - i absolutely love arena/daggerfall | 16:08 |
| Tak|work | ditto | 16:09 |
| Tak|work | I got one of those 586 coprocessor upgrades specifically to make the arena->daggerfall transition | 16:09 |
| Tak|work | oh, and more ram | 16:09 |
| pupnik | though the daggerfall dungeons are pretty crazy imo | 16:10 |
| pupnik | great map viewer tech, but still not enough distinguishing detail | 16:10 |
| Tak|work | yeah - there was a fairly high percentage of the time that I wasn't able to find whatever random item/person/thing for which I was questing | 16:10 |
| Tak|work | even though I walked every inch of the dungeon and completely cleaned it out | 16:11 |
| pupnik | yes same | 16:11 |
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| Tak|work | but oh well - c'est la vie | 16:11 |
| Tak|work | morrowind was pretty good as well, but I never played all the way through, and I haven't touched oblivion yet | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oblivion is great. | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the way RPGs should be made | 16:12 |
| Tak|work | kind of annoyed that bethsoft has chosen to completely annoy other OSs | 16:12 |
| Tak|work | s/annoy/ignore/ | 16:12 |
| infobot | Tak|work meant: kind of ignoreed that bethsoft has chosen to completely annoy other OSs | 16:12 |
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| pupnik | maybe they'll let someone port arena/daggerfall to linux | 16:13 |
| * pupnik has originals of arena/daggerfall/morrowind/oblivion | 16:13 | |
| Tak|work | I have of the first two | 16:14 |
| Tak|work | I sent them an email once - the response was basically: "We have no plans of supporting any OS but windows, and we have no plan of ever releasing any source to anyone under any condition." | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bastards | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'swhat consoles are for. | 16:15 |
| Tak|work | s'what console emulators are for ;-) | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good luck with that 360 emulator | 16:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Be 2015 before we get a reasonably fast one of those. >_> | 16:16 |
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| Tak|work | pff, only thing to emulate on the 360 is halo | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you say so. | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Forza is a good one | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | had a ton of fun with Crackdown | 16:17 |
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| Tak|work | besides, a good emulator would make the pc overheat and set the carpet on fire ;-) | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just want Fallout 3 already. | 16:17 |
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| timo3 | 360 emulator on a maemo device? | 16:18 |
| timo3 | sounds like a plan | 16:18 |
| Tak|work | I'm on it! | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . that would be awesome | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just gotta hack some analog triggers into the Wii's Classic Controller (bluetooth). | 16:19 |
| Tak|work | let's see...vba runs at ~2fps, so x360 will be around .04 | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | More like, wont run at all. | 16:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Here's to hoping the TI processors in the next revision will be as awesome as they've been cracked up to be. | 16:20 |
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| pupnik | if the craigulator ever sees the light of day i may have to buy that instead | 16:24 |
| lardman | have a nice weekend all | 16:28 |
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| Tak|work | damn...everybody gets long weekends but me | 16:29 |
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| pupnik | did you find info on thumb pressure on 2007he? or file a bug? | 16:33 |
| Tak|work | not yet | 16:34 |
| Tak|work | I don't want to file a bug yet, because I have no idea if it even is a bug, or if I just need to do something differently | 16:34 |
| pupnik | nods..might be worth checking thumb keyboard | 16:34 |
| Tak|work | you're running 2007he, right? | 16:34 |
| pupnik | no | 16:34 |
| Tak|work | oh? 2006? | 16:35 |
| pupnik | yes se | 16:35 |
| pupnik | today my goal is to make one installable package with working menu item | 16:36 |
| pupnik | and one-click install | 16:36 |
| Tak|work | lol - googling for related things gives me the irc log from our conversation yesterday | 16:36 |
| Tak|work | can use xmaeme package for an example if you wish | 16:36 |
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| pupnik | roger | 16:37 |
| pupnik | am going to forget about maemo-games startup for now | 16:37 |
| pupnik | if you want to switch tasks, quit playing :P | 16:38 |
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| Tak|work | heh - fceu "pauses" if you minimize it | 16:38 |
| pupnik | nice | 16:39 |
| pupnik | where is this code? | 16:39 |
| Tak|work | to pause? | 16:39 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:39 |
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| pupnik | oh it came with fceu? | 16:39 |
| Tak|work | no, I inserted it | 16:39 |
| Tak|work | one sec, I'll find it | 16:39 |
| pupnik | ty | 16:40 |
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| Tak|work | ah - combination of osso.c and main.c | 16:41 |
| Tak|work | (in src/drivers/pc ) | 16:41 |
| pupnik | ok | 16:41 |
| Tak|work | http://rafb.net/p/yai6Pl13.html | 16:47 |
| pupnik | kewl | 16:47 |
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| cosmo | has anyone tried to compile z26? | 17:00 |
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| cosmo | build fails at /usr/include/linux/bitmap.h:125: error: `BITS_PER_LONG' undeclared (first use in this function) | 17:02 |
| pupnik | what is z26? | 17:03 |
| pupnik | oh atari emu | 17:03 |
| cosmo | looks like it contains x86 assembler.. so no luck | 17:06 |
| pupnik | try stella | 17:07 |
| cosmo | just compiling it | 17:07 |
| cosmo | got it to compile | 17:12 |
| Tak|work | pupnik: also http://rafb.net/p/R7agjA48.html from src/drivers/pc/input.c | 17:14 |
| pupnik | ty - noted/copied | 17:15 |
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| Tak|work | hm, I may see the source of the "flickering" issue for n800 users | 17:17 |
| Tak|work | looks like I'm enabling pixel doubling on every click, which, on os2006 and 2007he, did nothing if it was already enabled | 17:21 |
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| cosmo | whee, it works! | 17:26 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:26 |
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| cosmo | needs hildonization, buttons do nothing yet | 17:27 |
| cosmo | at least you can watch pitfall demo running ;) | 17:27 |
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| pupnik | got a bluetooth keyboard? | 17:28 |
| pupnik | sound works? | 17:28 |
| cosmo | not at work | 17:28 |
| cosmo | no sound..i think it uses sdl audio | 17:28 |
| pupnik | i think my fav for that would be slot racers | 17:29 |
| cosmo | there is a huge number of games available | 17:30 |
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| cosmo | a little hildonization and a nice gtk ui would do good | 17:32 |
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| cosmo | although stella has built-in gui which works | 17:32 |
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| pupnik | ncie | 17:36 |
| pupnik | do you build for N800 or 770? | 17:36 |
| cosmo | N800 | 17:37 |
| Tak|work | sdl audio should work fine | 17:37 |
| pupnik | more ~/.profile | 17:37 |
| pupnik | export CFLAGS="-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer | 17:37 |
| pupnik | i make sure to set CFLAGS env variable before running ./configure | 17:37 |
| cosmo | i had to change 2 lines of code (missing resolution stuff in sdl struct). i just hardcoded the resolution | 17:37 |
| pupnik | yah | 17:38 |
| Tak|work | oh, hah - I'm doing it because there's no way to query Xsp whether doubling is turned on for a given display | 17:38 |
| cosmo | but afk now.. to demo show at local university. i'll hack stella more tomorrow | 17:39 |
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| pupnik | ok cheers | 17:42 |
| pupnik | song of farting hands man playing mario theme please leave my brain... | 17:44 |
| * sp3000 giggles at piotr's captcha | 17:45 | |
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| * |R just got his n800, yeah! | 18:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Encode yerself some video and pop it on a UPnP server. | 18:35 |
| pupnik | :) | 18:35 |
| |R | can it recharge while i play with it? ;) | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 18:35 |
| |R | woohoo ;) | 18:35 |
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| |R | do customs have a habit of breaking seals though? | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where'd you get it from? | 18:38 |
| |R | SmartTech over eBay... | 18:38 |
| |R | (texas) | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | ebay . . . | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | $$$? | 18:38 |
| |R | yeah i know, but it's hard to get a reasonable price in canada ;) | 18:38 |
| |R | 335+20 shipping | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could be worse | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it look used? | 18:39 |
| pupnik | not bad | 18:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Was it sold as new? | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I very much doubt that customs would've opened it | 18:39 |
| |R | sold as new yeah... i think it looks new, though the screen protector is a bit weird though... :| | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howso? | 18:40 |
| pupnik | it's a shipping protector afaik | 18:40 |
| |R | like the casing looks basically perfect | 18:40 |
| |R | a bit scratch with dots looking like bubbles actually | 18:40 |
| pupnik | offpullit | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lies, pupnik. :P | 18:41 |
| pupnik | ? | 18:41 |
| |R | Yeah i'll try to grab the top right corner hehe | 18:41 |
| pupnik | i am incorrect? | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I used the factory screen protector for 5 months. | 18:41 |
| |R | no ok | 18:41 |
| pupnik | maybe someone can tell us here what it is meant to be | 18:41 |
| |R | i just checked below the screen protector | 18:41 |
| |R | and everything is super clean | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get yourself a real protector asap | 18:42 |
| |R | maybe the guy just checked everything was in there... | 18:42 |
| |R | i did, a boxwave anti-glare... if that doesn't work i'll go back to shieldzone one's... | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I was kidding about the lies. ;) Just a reference to the fact that I scratched up the factory protector for 5 months before putting a real one on. | 18:43 |
| * Tak|work doesn't use a protector | 18:43 | |
| |R | hehe | 18:43 |
| pupnik | okey i do not have a n800 | 18:43 |
| |R | it's smaller than i thougth :) | 18:43 |
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| * |R doesn't get the SD card connetor... | 18:45 | |
| |R | (internal one) | 18:45 |
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| |R | ah ok | 18:46 |
| |R | looks weird haha ;) | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dual-SD was a stroke of genius. | 18:46 |
| Tak|work | indeed | 18:46 |
| |R | is it normal to have the stock miniSD->SD card raising at 15 o before you close the cover? :) | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a little tab | 18:47 |
| |R | (if i'm annoying, slap me ;) | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Push it all the way down and slip the tab over it. | 18:47 |
| |R | woah | 18:47 |
| |R | genius :) | 18:47 |
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| |R | the design rocks hehe :) | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get yourself that theme | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's absolutely beautiful | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | just wish it were 12pt | 18:49 |
| |R | I'll have to flash the firmware first i guess (to fix the SDHC bug) | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, on that subject, is there any way to change it to 12pt manually? | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, good plan. | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wouldn't want to go installing a bunch of stuff to have to do it again 5 minutes later. | 18:49 |
| |R | hehe :) | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if they streamline the update system a little more nicely for Chinook. | 18:50 |
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| |R | Maybe i'll just play with it for today while it recharges though and do the upgrade with a full battery | 18:52 |
| ramo102 | Hi everybody. Have someone had problems with the microb browser? I lost the vertical scrollbar, it doesn't appear anymore | 18:52 |
| |R | (Something you learn when you brick something once haha ;) | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try a restart, ramo102? | 18:52 |
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| ramo102 | I have just tried to restart, and to reinstall microb too, but without results | 18:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I remember there being a discussion on the issue in the past | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall the resolution and never had trouble with it myself? | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | erm, -? | 18:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Try changing themes? | 18:53 |
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| |R | uhm, i have an email of alexmart3@gmail.com in the presence thingie... | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google Talk | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not your e-mail? | 19:03 |
| |R | nop | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds used. <_< | 19:04 |
| |R | oh well, it's in perfect shape, maybe a store demo that never got used... | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe the seller just tried it out. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who knows | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as it works. . . . | 19:05 |
| |R | yeah... | 19:05 |
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| |R | i'm trying to get online now, but i my WPA key is way too long haha ;) | 19:05 |
| pupnik | i have a callous on my wrist from the edge of my desktop | 19:07 |
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| Tak|work | hmm - will the openembedded mono port run on the ITs? | 19:16 |
| pupnik | hay guyz!@ who wants to make the quake1 engine play daggerfall? ok lets go | 19:18 |
| * pupnik ducks | 19:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:21 |
| pupnik | descent has been removed from maemo.org hmm | 19:25 |
| pupnik | ah https://garage.maemo.org/projects/descent2/ | 19:26 |
| |R | uhm, is it normal that every central columns in web site like /. render like a vertical line of letters? :P | 19:27 |
| * |R must be missing a setting somewhere ;) | 19:27 | |
| |R | (at a 100% it's ok but then i can't read ;) | 19:31 |
| pupnik | maybe you can turn off "fit to page" or "text wrap"? | 19:33 |
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| |R | fit to page sounds like a solution yeah :) | 19:34 |
| |R | now where is that config haha ;) | 19:34 |
| pupnik | search maemo opera "fit to page" | 19:35 |
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| |R | Does anyone know how many n770 and n800 were sold? | 20:35 |
| shapr | lots! | 20:35 |
| |R | 100k? 1m? 10m? 100m? :) | 20:35 |
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| alabama | hi all. Can someone help me in X-forwarding on PC (ubuntu) an app running on 770? Openssh client & server is installed on both machines. The reverse works good. Details later, if someone here tells it should be possible to achieve... | 20:59 |
| alabama | I've done ssh -X username@ip | 21:03 |
| Tak|work | do you have X forwarding enabled in the sshd_config on the 770? | 21:04 |
| alabama | I remember yes, I'll check now | 21:05 |
| alabama | I've tryed to do so: | 21:05 |
| alabama | ssh -X username@ip run-standalone.ssh python name_of_app | 21:05 |
| alabama | ...but this launches the app on the 770, so not what I want | 21:06 |
| alabama | d'oh! X11Forwarding no! thanks Tak, I'll try with "yes" ;) | 21:08 |
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| pupnik | Tak|work: i think dosbox is now partially fixed :) | 21:15 |
| Tak|work | pupnik: very nice | 21:16 |
| Tak|work | hmm | 21:16 |
| pupnik | c2woody gave the fixes | 21:16 |
| Tak|work | alabama also needs to make sure it's setting his DISPLAY properly | 21:16 |
| t_s_o | hmm, anyone else read the news about the new ARM design? | 21:18 |
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| smackpotato | where do i put commands i want to run at startup | 21:19 |
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| smackpotato | startup | 21:22 |
| _Monkey | startup is a little slow but it runs okay. :D | 21:22 |
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| milhouse | _monkey forget startup | 21:24 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot startup | 21:24 |
| Tak|work | t_s_o: not yet - have a link? | 21:24 |
| milhouse | _monkey startup is <reply> | 21:24 |
| _Monkey | OK, milhouse. | 21:25 |
| t_s_o | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2917028234.html | 21:25 |
| t_s_o | i wonder if im reading it right when i get it to go 1Ghz at 250mW, with potentially 4 cores | 21:25 |
| Tak|work | damn, very nice! | 21:26 |
| milhouse | don't expect to see it in devices for another 18 months or so | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | "250mW and the dreams of little children" | 21:26 |
| t_s_o | milhouse: thats the sad part. i see TI barely have cortex A8 based cpus out and now this... | 21:27 |
| Tak|work | I'd like to see one of those in n800+2 | 21:27 |
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| milhouse | me too, but I might have switched to Intel by then :( | 21:27 |
| smackpotato | i want to run echo 100 >.....swappiness every time i start | 21:28 |
| t_s_o | yep, those mid's are coming on strong. and with the iphone-like ui, it will probably be a consumer hit... | 21:29 |
| pupnik | we're still waiting for A8 | 21:29 |
| Tak|work | heh, with so many consumer linux apps optimized for x86 arch, the intel ones are tempting | 21:29 |
| milhouse | i'm sure Intel MIDs will be every bit as hackable as Nokia NITs | 21:29 |
| pupnik | the proper attitude is to hate intel enough to purchase from other mfgrs even if they are inferior </soapbox> | 21:30 |
| milhouse | think how many codecs will work more or less out of the box... | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Nokia has some good stuff up their sleeves. | 21:30 |
| Tak|work | t_s_o: I can't tell if the 1GHz part is included in the 250mW statement, or if you can only have "4x the power of an ARM11" for 250mW | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hate to see them fall too far behind in the market that they created. | 21:30 |
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| milhouse | can't see that not happening unfortunately - Intel and their MIDs will be a juggernaught | 21:30 |
| t_s_o | well with a gorilla like intel on the move, and with asian factories in action, i wonder... | 21:31 |
| milhouse | dozens of far east partners to flood the market... | 21:31 |
| t_s_o | two people, one thought milhouse? | 21:31 |
| Tak|work | pupnik: the degree of inferiority has to be a consideration, though | 21:31 |
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| milhouse | develop for intel x86 MIDs which are everywhere or Nokia NITs that sell maybe only 10s of thousands and battle with undocumented and closed source/NDA'd hardware... not really a difficult choice. | 21:32 |
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| t_s_o | bah, i hope that the agreed upon universal mobile connector (usb basically) will help with removing the "made for ipod" junk... | 21:33 |
| milhouse | you mean the connector that Nokia refuses to use for charging? | 21:33 |
| t_s_o | hmm, nokia dropped the ball with those hardware issues | 21:33 |
| t_s_o | milhouse: refuse right now maybe | 21:33 |
| * pupnik will never forgive the 8088 | 21:34 | |
| t_s_o | i understand that they are in on the new agreement. if nothing else so that they can sell to the chinese market | 21:34 |
| milhouse | the n800 has a host of hardware cockups - one can only hope the next version addresses all the hardware issues in the current device | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, if we get hardware video acceleration . . . | 21:34 |
| milhouse | video bandwidth, poor touchscreen response, USB (on-the-go, charging, hub) | 21:34 |
| t_s_o | time will tell... | 21:35 |
| milhouse | The Wifi implementation isn't great either (ie. kismet doesn't work properly - an ideal app for the N800) | 21:35 |
| t_s_o | http://consumerist.com/consumer/videos/sting-op-of-10-different-computer-repair-companies-finds-70-dont-know-what-theyre-doing-306877.php <- promising... | 21:35 |
| pupnik | wise words | 21:36 |
| Tak|work | poor d-pad | 21:38 |
| milhouse | computer repair techs, eh? | 21:38 |
| Tak|work | right-hand buttons | 21:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Be great if they had mirror the buttons onto the right side | 21:40 |
| * pupnik hoistes the atTak flag | 21:40 | |
| pupnik | do you think rhs buttons would hurt the image of the device for 'professionals' | 21:41 |
| pupnik | i think they could be made unobtrusive - not like a big gp2x | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, who the hell buys a device for "image". . . . | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I buy devices for functionality. | 21:42 |
| pupnik | i think it is a big factor | 21:42 |
| mvhtest | people who buy iPhones.... ; | 21:42 |
| mvhtest | s/;/;)/ | 21:42 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i recall a handheld console that one could flip to play with either hand on the d-pad | 21:42 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970sm4.png if buttons then unobtrusive i think | 21:42 |
| Tak|work | pupnik: they could even be mirrors of the LHS buttons | 21:43 |
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| t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Lynx | 21:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Move the camera to the top center | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just going to get covered in hand gunk there. | 21:45 |
| pupnik | youre right | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, you need an indent on the cover on the right. ;) | 21:46 |
| alabama | No way. Now the X11Forward parameter is yes in sshd_config on 770, ssh restarted, but the app runs on the 770 instead of running on PC ubuntu (or I have a error in import gtk if i don't write run-standalone.ssh). Which could be the cause? | 21:46 |
| alabama | (run-standalone.sh) | 21:46 |
| Tak|work | alabama: check the DISPLAY variable | 21:46 |
| alabama | ok, checking... | 21:47 |
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| alabama | ops, 770 crashed. I'll check that after dinner. Thanks Tak. | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | #1 thing Nokia needs to do for the next software revision is improve UI responsiveness. | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm always having flashbacks to the OS X beta. <_< | 21:49 |
| pupnik | I agree that it would help first impressions | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not really that bad | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it just doesn't help the device image. | 21:50 |
| pupnik | doesn't bother me at all, but if people use the word 'sluggish' once in a review, that hurts | 21:50 |
| pupnik | yup | 21:50 |
| alabama | can't find display variable. There's a X11DisplayOffset 10... | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm very used to it now. | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially after moving up to the N800. | 21:50 |
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| t_s_o | btw, anyone else find this highly interesting? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6853468195.html | 22:05 |
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| dev | t_s_o: interesting, yes - but I'm working on something like this for quite a while too | 22:11 |
| t_s_o | figures ;) | 22:11 |
| t_s_o | been thinking of something similar to, in that merging a tv, hdd-recorder and a keyboard& mouse set should in theory create a simple computer... | 22:11 |
| dev | https://coherence.beebits.net <- my little project | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sweet. | 22:15 |
| t_s_o | ill admit, the only upnp i have any knowledge of is the firewall kind... | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just discovered UPnP media serving a few weeks ago. | 22:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad I haven't found a way to transcode the stuff on-the-fly. | 22:17 |
| ||cw | mencoder with a fifo? | 22:17 |
| dev | t_s_o: most people do, bad press :-) | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | --using the UPnP server I have (EyeConnect). ;) | 22:18 |
| t_s_o | i suspect that with upnp and proper format standards, one could maybe get rid of drivers fully? | 22:19 |
| dev | GeneralAntilles: we are working on transcoding, but will take some time, probably end of this year | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if there were a cheap, effective hardware MPEG4 encoder for use with the N800. | 22:21 |
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| konttori | out of curiosity, why don't you use mplayer to play the stuff? It should support pretty much any video you throw at it. | 22:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | h.264, anything over 640x480, stuff running at 2Mbps +? | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | UPnP? | 22:30 |
| _Monkey | UPnP is not just about playing something, controlling is much more fun | 22:30 |
| konttori | ahh... well, then I suppose you will have to transcode or pre-transcode | 22:31 |
| sp3000 | konttori: oh I hid a patch for the crop thing into the tracker the other day | 22:31 |
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| konttori | I would choose the latter. | 22:31 |
| konttori | ahh.. cool. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is what I do | 22:31 |
| konttori | thanks | 22:31 |
| konttori | ahh... good. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's time/CPU, and storage consuming. | 22:32 |
| konttori | well, you can put the system to do the conversion on a few nights and storage is cheap | 22:32 |
| konttori | ;) | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that cheap | 22:32 |
| konttori | Seriously speaking it's a valid thought that it would be nice to transencode on the fly | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Particularly, I'd like to be able to watch my EyeTV recordings on the N800. | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can get them through UPnP already | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | but they're not encoded for the device. | 22:34 |
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| pupnik | i watch my vids transcoded right now on 770 with knots player | 22:35 |
| pupnik | live transcoding goodness | 22:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The IT platform makes for a fantastic carry-around media player | 22:36 |
| pupnik | well server/player | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | without being as clunky as the Archos offerings. | 22:37 |
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| konttori | I have to say that I like to watch things from the mmc/sd cards. Juice lasts so much longer, device doesn't get so hot and I don't have to worry about staying in the wifi range. | 22:37 |
| pupnik | konttori: at home too? | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got 502sq-ft to wander around in up here and plenty of wifi coverage at my parents house | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | so wifi range isn't a worry | 22:38 |
| pupnik | i dunno man, random access to a library is pretty sweet | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I don't spend enough time in front of it to worry about battery power | 22:38 |
| konttori | yeah | 22:38 |
| pupnik | for on-the-go i do tweaked 770-encode.pl | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Planning and pre-encoding your stuff is great for trips | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not so good when you're at home. | 22:39 |
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| konttori | well, if I like to watch a longer movie at home, I use dvd. If I watch a short video at home, I use n800. and encoding short video takes seconds. | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | This: http://www.techspansion.com/visualhub/ spits out beautiful MPEG4s for me, and even supports Xgrid so I can batch-encode a bunch of stuff really quickly, but having spur-of-the-moment access to stuff is just so much tastier. :D | 22:41 |
| konttori | anyway, to each his / her own. | 22:42 |
| konttori | did you pay for visual hub? | 22:42 |
| ||cw | hm... http://www.arm.com/news/18652.html dual core nokia device in 2 years? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It saves the pain of dealing with ffmpeg directly, and does great queing/network work distribution besides. ;) | 22:43 |
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| konttori | cool. | 22:44 |
| konttori | there is already the 3d core in there as well ;) | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drivers, please. | 22:45 |
| konttori | and that's pretty sweet one as well. I hope that some day we can utilise it as well. | 22:45 |
| alabama | So here I am back, with same problem as one hour ago. Trying to X-forward apps from 770 to pc ubuntu with openssh. I've already enabled X11Forward in sshd_config, but still no way. If someone can help I can summarize my problem again. | 22:45 |
| konttori | yeah, well, you know, someone has to make them | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe they tossed something like that into a device without any support for it. | 22:45 |
| t_s_o | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ultramobile_Linux_PC_is_coming?t=9603468#c9622356 <- "genius comment" | 22:45 |
| ||cw | alabama: ssh -X | 22:46 |
| konttori | I think they got it as an afterthought. that it was 'added bonus'. | 22:46 |
| t_s_o | how come that anything non-x86 is not "laptop class cpu"? | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorta like Ford sticking another I-4 in the back of your SUV but not hooking it up to anything. | 22:46 |
| alabama | yes, I know. It works the other way (ubuntu -> 770). | 22:46 |
| pupnik | it wasn't really 'tossed-in' - it's part of the system-on-a-chip | 22:46 |
| alabama | but not 770 -> ubuntu (ubuntu: client, 770: server) | 22:47 |
| alabama | I'm trying to launch a python app. The other way it works, with the same app. | 22:48 |
| ||cw | alabama: do you get the /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found error? | 22:48 |
| alabama | no | 22:48 |
| ||cw | or did you install zauth | 22:48 |
| ||cw | xauth | 22:48 |
| alabama | no | 22:48 |
| alabama | the error is: | 22:48 |
| ||cw | well, you cna't forward without xauth | 22:49 |
| alabama | something related to import gtk | 22:49 |
| alabama | can I download this "xauth" from garage? | 22:49 |
| ||cw | dunno, just now trying myself | 22:49 |
| alabama | I have openssh on both ends | 22:49 |
| ||cw | that's only the forward part, now you have to convince X11 to let you | 22:50 |
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| alabama | with: ssh -X user@ip python path/to/app.py | 22:50 |
| alabama | I hav an error related to import gtk, while... | 22:51 |
| alabama | with: ssh -X user@ip run-standalone.sh python path/to/app.py | 22:51 |
| alabama | the app launches, but on the 770 | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goodness, the Archos media players are cheap these days. | 22:52 |
| ||cw | alabama: it's possible that the cut down X11 server on it simply can't use anything but display :0 | 22:55 |
| alabama | maybe. found this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=67157&postcount=5 | 22:56 |
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| alabama | so the openssh-server on maemo doesn't support forwarding? | 22:56 |
| alabama | from that post it seems dropbear does support it. Can I try installing it without risking some kind of conflict with openssh? | 22:57 |
| alabama | Or what should I do to avoid conflicts? | 22:58 |
| ||cw | dropbear has other issues | 22:58 |
| ||cw | like no scp | 22:58 |
| alabama | yes in fact I want to stick with openssh | 22:58 |
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| ||cw | hm, actualy maybe scp is fixed | 22:59 |
| alabama | so I'd like to try dropbear just for the forwarding | 22:59 |
| kala | you could enable debuging on the openssh server and check some messages | 22:59 |
| ||cw | you'll have to uninstall openssh first | 22:59 |
| ||cw | you still need a xauth though | 22:59 |
| alabama | mmh... that seems harder than I thought. | 23:00 |
| alabama | so, this means xauth is installed on ubuntu, as it works the other way? | 23:00 |
| ||cw | yeah, I think its default on ubunut | 23:01 |
| alabama | I understand. Thanks very much ||cw. | 23:01 |
| alabama | what "xhost +" means? | 23:03 |
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| kala | allow connections without auth from anywhere | 23:04 |
| alabama | thanks | 23:05 |
| ||cw | you can do that and skip the ssh bit | 23:05 |
| Atarii | konttori! did u hav a look at the python? | 23:05 |
| ||cw | if you trust your network that is | 23:05 |
| konttori | nope. sorry | 23:05 |
| konttori | Hmm.. I could still take a peek. a sec | 23:05 |
| Atarii | np upgraded to it2007he anyways | 23:05 |
| kala | btw, evince crashes the n770 sometimes. is there something icould do to find out why? | 23:08 |
| konttori | Atarii: so, it's working for you now? | 23:12 |
| konttori | Atarii: I know the guy making the 2007 HE. If you have any suggestions on how to improve it, let me know | 23:13 |
| ||cw | konttori: other than to find a way to get the newer opera and flash, even if we'd have to buy it? | 23:14 |
| konttori | well, for those, the obvious answer is that nokia does not have the license to include them in the HE | 23:14 |
| konttori | so yeah, other than those | 23:15 |
| ||cw | yes I know, so how do we, as users, go about acquiring the licenses | 23:15 |
| ||cw | I really do think there is a market for it | 23:16 |
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| pupnik | yeah a market of 300 maybe | 23:18 |
| pupnik | take as your base the number of ppl who have reflashed or would reflash with 2007he | 23:19 |
| Tak|work | GeneralAntilles: http://www.cowonamerica.com | 23:20 |
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| pupnik | what's your guess on the number of 2007he installations? 4000? | 23:21 |
| * Tak|work 1 | 23:21 | |
| kala | the 2007he download is registered and counted, isn't it? | 23:21 |
| Tak|work | heh, I've downloaded at least 4 times | 23:22 |
| kala | but you used the same serial? | 23:22 |
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| konttori | It would be very interesting to know how may people really have upgraded to HE | 23:32 |
| konttori | Any application that every HE owner has that is in garage? | 23:33 |
| Atarii | i wish i had done it sooner tbh | 23:33 |
| Atarii | its so much more responsive | 23:33 |
| konttori | ahh.. good to hear that | 23:34 |
| Tak|work | kala: ah, yes | 23:34 |
| Tak|work | konttori: thumbpresses seem to be different on HE | 23:35 |
| konttori | what do you mean? | 23:35 |
| konttori | as is not so good? | 23:35 |
| |R | i put myself in red-pill mode, go there, click install openssh ( http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html ) then open, and it says fails... what kind of newb error am i doing? ;) | 23:35 |
| Tak|work | it just seems to be handled differently | 23:35 |
| Tak|work | like, in os2006, and os2007 on n800, if I thumbpress on, e.g., an OK button, it clicks the button | 23:35 |
| Tak|work | but on 2007HE, it *selects* the button, but doesn't actually click it | 23:36 |
| Atarii | 2007he should come pre-loaded with the main repositories | 23:36 |
| konttori | Odd. I'll mention that to him | 23:36 |
| Tak|work | I get similar result with fceu - when I thumbpress on the onscreen buttons, it doesn't register as a click | 23:36 |
| konttori | I'll have to ask if he ever hands in #maemo. If not, he should come here every once in a while | 23:36 |
| Tak|work | but I can tap with thumbnail and it does | 23:37 |
| konttori | hangs... not hands | 23:37 |
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| Tak|work | but stuff that I expect to work with thumbpress, like text fields that pop up the fullscreen kb, work fine | 23:37 |
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| Tak|work | kala: I suspect out-of-memory on evince, btw | 23:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 2007HE is really great | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I miss 12pt themes, though. | 23:44 |
| pupnik | i think there are 12 and 14 versions of the main themes | 23:45 |
| pupnik | themes-os07-12pt-0.1-1.deb -2 etc | 23:46 |
| Atarii | is there a seperate 'becomeroot' app for it2007 or does the 2006 version work? | 23:47 |
| kala | Tak|work: so, after some pageturns, the 64 MB of memory is full and the n770 just crashes? it should be possible to modify evince then? | 23:49 |
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| Tak|work | kala: are you using swap? | 23:53 |
| Tak|work | Atarii: on it2007 you use ssh | 23:54 |
| pupnik | maybe evince has a page cache that could be tweaked | 23:55 |
| Tb0n3r | what's the use of r&d mode? | 23:55 |
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