IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-10-04

Tak|workpupnik: are there any tricks you've discovered about thumbpresses on 2007he?00:00
Tak|worke.g. the fceu buttons are much less sensitive: do I need to tweak some setting?00:00
pupnikno idea00:01
Tb0n3know what's too sensitive? the hardbuttons00:01
Tb0n3I get double arrow clicks all the time00:01
Tak|workeh, ok - thought you might have run into it00:01
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pupnikTak|work: does 2007he noticeably fix any xsp issues for you?00:02
Tak|worknot that I've noticed - what kind of xsp issues?00:03
Tak|workbasically the only reasons I'm running it are: larger swap file, less obsoleted software00:04
pupnikthere were bugfixes mentioned, never helped me00:04
Tak|worksince the 2nd 2007 release where they added xsp, I've never had any xsp issues00:05
pupnikwell it's not just me - you can see problems in the quake1 port as well00:05
pupniki'm a little sensitive about this issue :)00:06
Tak|workyeah, I know - I think we reached the consensus that I got lucky00:06
pupniki need to look at fceu again00:07
pupnikyou don't use maemo-games-startup, right?00:07
pupnikit seems to be a good solution to allow for pausing games and task-switching00:08
pupniki think i should get around to using it as a launcher00:08
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t_s_oheh, just showed a friend of mine the carman homepage. guess he will order a N800 shortly00:32
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t_s_oi hope expansys can help me with my 770's wsod00:36
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Tb0n3rwhere can I find the OS2006 to keep in case I don't like 2007he?00:38
Tb0n3rget it from nokia?00:38
t_s_oi think both can be found where you found 2007he00:39
Tb0n3rand should I get flasher or flasher3.000:39
Tb0n3rI found it on ITT00:39
Tb0n3rinternet tablet talk00:39
t_s_oyes, but it directed you to a link where you should input some number, right?00:39
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Tb0n3rmac address00:40
t_s_oafter that you can download any of the images, 2006, 2007, 2007he iirc00:40
shaprI like 2007he00:40
Tb0n3rwow, god damn, nokia supports all this and it fucking pwns00:40
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shaprThough it won't do text chat for some reason.00:40
t_s_oi plan to go 2007he if i get the wsod issue fixed...00:41
Tb0n3:O white screen of death00:42
Tb0n3well, it's not really the same00:42
Tb0n3bsod has words00:42
Tb0n3otherwise it'd just be a blue screen, or a blank screen00:42
Tb0n3it's just brick00:42
||cwwsod is a hardware failure anyway00:42
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t_s_oif not ill look into getting a N800, as i think im hooked ;)00:44
disqwhat's the fuss about pymaemo repo being borked?00:44
Tb0n3lulz so many things of death these days, feels like tech is becoming a fantasy novel00:44
Tb0n3or a mmorpg00:44
pupnikbring your tablet with you and show it to people - generate sales for nokia00:44
Tb0n3<3 my tablet, and I love to brag00:45
pupnikweemon like it too00:45
Tb0n3oo, look at this beautiful piece of technology I hold in my hand00:45
Tb0n3"ooo, it's so small"00:45
Tb0n3you know it baby00:45
pupnikI just showed it to an 80 year old teacher lady and she was excited about it00:46
Tb0n3so, flasher or flasher3.000:46
pupnikdidn't have an open wlan available tho00:46
Tb0n3get a bluetooth cell with a dataplan00:46
pupnikfor gregale i use flasher 200:46
pupniki have to save money for my next tablet00:47
Tb0n3what's the differences?00:47
Tb0n3I've got the stock firmware and want to go to 2007he00:47
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Tb0n3should I enable r&d mode?00:50
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pupnikfor 2007he? no need00:51
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Tb0n3flasher doesn't seem to detect my 77000:52
Tb0n3well, flasher3.000:52
pupniki use 2.0 for 77000:53
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shaprIs there a todo app for os2007?00:54
shaprI used the os2006 todo app very much.00:54
Tb0n3device not founded00:55
Tb0n3is there some sorta setting I need to activate to make it connect right?00:55
Tb0n3take out the card or something?00:55
Tb0n3turn it off?00:55
pupnikmust follow instructions00:55
shaprI can actually do that most of the time.00:55
pupnikdon't know todo app00:56
pupnikshould be avail tho00:56
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Tb0n3suitable usb device, still not found00:58
Tb0n3errr, is ubuntu 6.06 dapper drake?00:58
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t_s_onever had a issue flashing my 770 here, following the stuff on the maemo page01:06
Tb0n3I'm on an ubuntu 6.06 live cd01:07
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trevarthandisq: is the new firmware a feature release? or just bug fixes?02:14
|Rbug from what the PR says02:17
trevarthansorry. didn't mean to address that to just disq.02:17
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pupnik  manualist plays super mario bros. theme on his hands02:24
trevarthanwow. is python busted in the new firmware?02:25
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b0unc3pupnik: lol02:29
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sp3000trevarthan: like how?02:30
sp3000fwiw extras bora at least is being funny and apparently hid all its arch:all pkgs or something for the moment02:31
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pupnikahhhh ty for explanation02:32
sp3000huh, python2.5-runtime 0.4-12 is arch:all and 0.4-10 arch:armel? interesting (esp when arch:all disappears)02:33
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trevarthanapp manager needs a freakin 'update all'02:44
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t_s_owould love to see a web tablet running on this one:
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birginight everybody, is there a c/c++ compiler for maemo?03:49
pupnikdarn this alsa04:04
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unique311ok, i just learned this, and need to share..06:14
unique311How to get drunk fast.06:14
unique311really fast06:14
unique311beer or wine enema.    btw, off topic.06:15
Luriaiv ethanol?06:16
unique311that will work also06:16
Luriahow did you learn such a thing?06:16
unique311a show on spiketv06:16
Luriai know the show06:17
Luriashame. a better answer and i could have put this on bash06:17
Lurialike a story involving a shetland pony, a bearded woman, a golf ball, and a garden hose.06:18
unique311    a supported.06:19
Tb0n3dumps are not funny06:21
Tb0n3they're smelly06:21
unique311Tb0n3: no a beer enema is not suppose to be funny....its suppose to get you really fucked up.06:22
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unique311drinking wine gets me fecked up.06:22
unique311wine is dangerous stuff06:22
Luriawine is good06:22
Tb0n3funny how you mention this now and it was on 4chan not too long ago06:23
unique311sorry for not being hip to 4chan06:23
unique311i just saw it on spiketv on manswers...06:23
Luriabut yeah, windows apps under linux could be dangerous06:23
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Tb0n3wine is not dangerous stuff, it's sophisticated stuff, you hoodlums just keep using it like it were hard liquor06:24
unique311wow, hoodlums...06:25
unique311thanks for the branding.06:25
unique311made my night.06:25
Luriathe funnydump pic isnt so shocking06:26
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unique311it isn't06:26
Tb0n3well, if that were in the united states where there's freedom of speech06:27
Tb0n3oh wait, nevermind, they'd still get sued by jews06:27
Tb0n3omg, I'm offended by wtf u r doin06:27
Tb0n3stop it or I sue06:27
Luriasee, a confederate flag flying in the north of germany, that was a bit shocking06:27
unique311freedom of speech is there....06:28
Tb0n3see a nazi flag in germany and it'll be gone in a second06:28
Tb0n3also new flag says "No halocaustlol"06:28
unique311just gotta know how to go about it, i guess.06:28
unique311freedom of speech, but....Should be what is said.06:29
Tb0n3you should be able to go into court and say "freedom of speech lol" and actually pronounce the lol so they know it's retarded to prosecute for percieved "offences"06:29
Tb0n3there's many freedoms06:29
Tb0n3if the company wants business they can change their stuff, but if they want they should be able to make what they want06:30
unique311well they should...06:30
Luriai have no idea what the laws in india are06:30
Luriaand i suspect neither do you.06:30
unique311but considering the jews rule the world right now....i would be very careful about06:30
Tb0n3fuck religion06:31
unique311selling stuff that would offend them..06:31
unique311same here, i think the world is better of without religion..06:31
Tb0n3well, it's more corporations, but corps don't run the courts06:31
Tb0n3just the lawyers06:31
unique311you sure06:31
Tb0n3all religion does is cause enmity towards others and high standards that just cause people to hide what they're doing06:32
Tb0n3it's not a solution, it's a rug to cover the dirt06:32
Tb0n3"There are about 5,500 Jews living in India, a predominantly Hindu nation of 1.1 billion people."06:32
Tb0n3what about the symbol on buddah's hand though, I'm sure somebody's offended by that06:33
unique311what's this symbol?06:34
Tb0n3I believe it's a swastica06:35
Luriawell, speaking as a jew who used to work for a non profit group representing holocaust survivors.... no, no one cares about the swastikas on buddas.06:35
Tb0n3but not called that06:35
unique311google doesn't seem to want to help me with that one..06:35
Tb0n3I used to wear a shirt from tshirt hell "I like my women like I like my coffee" "ground up and in the freezer" so I don't care about offending people06:36
unique311its on his chest..06:36
Tb0n3also, "rape is no laughing matter" "unless you're raping a clown"06:36
Tb0n3and it's in his palms06:36
Luriaalso, there is a difference between a hackenkreuz and a swastika, though not in common speech.06:36
Tb0n3so, clockwise/counterclockwise, square/diamond?06:37
Tb0n3crap, I should stop now, I'm already known several other places for my monologues and rants06:37
unique311so the hackenkreuz was being sported by the kid in the picture....06:37
Luriapretty much. but its also fairly contextual.06:37
Tb0n3no, the kid is wearing a swastica06:38
unique311the bedspread is nazi all the way...nothing to do with buddha there right..06:38
Luriai think the issue here was the "NAZI" name for the line.06:38
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Tb0n3it's a symbol, as the article says they don't know wtf hitler was so well known for, just another guy in history, people make fun of wars06:39
Tb0n3like ours right now06:39
Luriai suspect a line of bedsheets with swastikas only wouldnt have been noticed06:39
Luriaall i can say - its a good thing they werent making lampshades.06:40
unique311hey Tb0n3 our war has a meaning..06:40
Tb0n3then why are gas prices rising06:40
Tb0n3if it were for oil then it wouldn't make sense06:40
unique311not sure..lol06:40
Tb0n3we're there because our president had an agenda06:40
Tb0n3avenge daddy06:40
unique311maybe it would be 3 times as high, if the war didn't happen..06:40
unique311All wars have reasons....may not be good ones at times...06:41
Tb0n3what I don't understand is, wtf did we go after saddam when he wasn't the one who did anything to us recently06:41
unique311but reasons are there..06:41
Tb0n3that coulda been put on the backburner06:41
unique311i know it sucks to think this way...06:41
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Tb0n3send 1million troops to afganistan and maybe shit wouldn't have gotten away06:41
Tb0n3who's a bin laden?06:42
Tb0n3sounds familiar06:42
unique311he might be dead..06:42
Tb0n3wasn't that the guy who helped saddam bomb the us?06:42
Luriagrrr why did i stay home.... sigh... cute women06:44
* Luria debates going out now06:45
unique311predictions for the next leader that gets it from america?  bets?06:45
unique311wed. night....06:46
Tb0n3how about bush06:46
Tb0n3I want bush to get it from america06:46
unique311not going to happen..06:46
Tb0n3then again, if he got it, we'd be stuck with the devil himself06:46
Luriaumm, no one?06:46
_Monkeyno one is on skype now06:46
Luria_monkey, die?06:47
_Monkeyno idea, luria06:47
unique311Iran presidente, is really acting invincible right about now....06:47
Luriana und?`06:48
Tb0n3when have we gone after the most deserving enemy?06:48
Tb0n3we'll probably go after tony blair or something06:49
Tb0n3cause he dun totally screwed us over by giving up06:49
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Luriascrew going out. pizza.06:50
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Luriagod bless seamlessweb.com06:51
Luriaand too06:51
Tb0n3with flasher-2.0 do I have to have only 1 usb device plugged in for it to recognize it?06:51
Luriaand freshdirect06:51
Tb0n3cause it didn't seem to work on ubuntu 6.0606:51
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Tb0n3who knows somebody who still owns windows ME06:56
Luriai own it... i even had it installed on a computer for about an hour and a half06:57
Luriaseven years ago06:57
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Luriaoooh alds yankees tomorrow07:02
Luriaboston/nyy alcs would rock07:03
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Luriagyro pizza or mexican. thse are the choices that try men's souls.07:24
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pupnik  <<< UltimaIV walking steps done correctly - you can hear how the pitch changes slightly/randomly with each step.  That's how it's done right.07:27
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Luriahmmm nothing's happening with the hildon ham group. shame.07:31
pupnik  heh wb Luria07:33
Luriahey thanks07:33
pupnikgraah Audacity adds 4.6 seconds to the end of every sample07:33
Luriahmmm... 44 people for the slashdot party in nyc07:35
Lurianot bad07:35
pupnikI should open a mexican fast food joint someday07:35
Luriaif you do, sign up with seamlessweb and delivery.com07:37
Luriai love ordering food online07:37
pupnikthere appear hm 39 mexican restaurants in hessen (pop 6.2 million)07:49
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unique311i have a hardrive that i think is stuck in sleep mode..08:09
unique311can it be waken up.08:09
unique311come to find out, everything in my thinkpad is ok..the hardrive is just sleep and will not wake up...08:10
unique311or broken...08:10
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Tb0n3harddrives don't sleep08:14
Tb0n3it's the computer's problem, just hard reboot08:15
pupnikthey can08:15
ulpesounds like a bad horror movie name08:15
pupnikman hdparm08:15
Tb0n3look out for the harddrive that never sleeps08:15
ulpe"Harddrives don't sleep" in theater near you!08:15
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pupnikhdparm  -S     Set  the standby (spindown) timeout for the drive08:15
Tb0n3awww, and here I thought I could eat my hd with parmesian08:16
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_Monkeyhmmm... repositories is  and a searchable index at
pupnik0 repos for wxwidgets08:23
pupnikwould be nice to have libwxgtk2.6-008:24
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pupnikis it even possible/practical to get wxwidgets on the tablet?08:28
czrpossible yes, practical not very maybe. not sure about the build deps on it, but if they're complex then you might want to rethink08:29
unique311hardrive is definitely screwed...08:29
pupnik I am working in the port of wxWidgets and wxPython to the Maemo platform08:30
czrpupnik, any reason why wx instead of gtk? (just curious)08:30
pupnikaudacity wants wx08:31
czraudacity also wants a lot of resources if you want to use it for anything practical08:31
czrand the GUI isn't very useable with small reso either08:31
czrat least imho08:31
czrbut hmm. I don't see why you couldn't port wx over to maemo08:32
czrI have a lot of crazy projects as well, so I'm in no position to say that yours sucks :-)08:33
pupnikactually running one in a window now at 640x48008:33
pupnikit's not serious08:33
czrhow many tracks can you fit there?08:33
* czr ndos08:33
pupnikumm checking08:34
pupnikabout 6 would be usable08:35
czrI normally use about two tracks at a time (visible) with vert reso of ~90008:35
czrbut I guess I'm picky then :-) (I like to see the waveforms properly)08:36
pupniksorry i wrong08:36
pupnikabout 3 tracks08:36
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czryou planning to do rework on the GUI?08:36
czrfor maemo08:36
pupnikno i am not gonna touch it08:36
czrmaybe then it would be suitable for one/two tracks08:36
czrcan't imagine using it for real work though, not with the stylus at least08:37
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czrbut I'm limited!08:37
pupnikthere are no rightclicks in audacity08:37
Tb0n3how should my 770 be when I connect to the usb for flasher08:37
czroh, I'm not worried about those (don't use them), I'm more worried about the resolution of the touch pad08:37
pupnikTb0n3: off08:38
czrTb0n3, read the instructions?08:38
Tb0n3point to instructions?08:38
_Monkeyi heard flasher was available from
Tb0n3and that's where I got it from08:38
Tb0n3but there's no instructions to it08:38
czrthere used to be (long time ago, in a galaxy far away)08:39
Tb0n3I'll try it on feisty fawn, if I can get it started08:39
Tb0n3some reason my laptop doesn't like it much08:39
czrTb0n3, this? :
czrTb0n3, and this:
pupnikcan you teach them to monkey pls - i'm off08:40
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czrpupnikzzz, later, and good luck with your port08:40
Tb0n3shut off08:40
Tb0n3well, I'll be back08:40
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Tb0n3ryay, I figured out what it was08:58
Tb0n3rI didn't turn it on08:58
Tb0n3rhooray for rtfming08:59
Tb0n3rguess, I'll see how 2007 is09:00
czr2007 been quite ok so far09:01
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zchydemis it a known feature that after running command: "PAGER=less fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade" when upgrading SDK, the network stops working?09:53
jjo_I'm guessing you mead upgrading from 3.1 to 3.209:55
jjo_and no, it's not a feature09:55
zchydemI tried to do that twice, and the problem occured twice..09:55
zchydemis there a "nice and clean way" to install maemo SDK directly to the latest version without doing any apt-get update stuff?09:57
jjo_not for 3.209:57
jjo_it's such a minor upgrade09:57
zchydemhow about the 4.0 beta09:57
jjo_beta 4.0 will install stuff from the internet09:58
jjo_are you starting from scratch? I mean first scratchbox install and all...09:59
zchydemjeps I'm a newbie:)09:59
jjo_ok, then it might be the 'well known' bug09:59
zchydemwaiting my first N800 to arrive in few days..09:59
Fatalyou plan on buying more than one? :)09:59
jjo_the problem is most likely in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf10:00
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jjo_it's copied directly from your host system when you install sb10:00
zchydemok and I have done the "host: files dns" modification to that file..10:01
jjo_and the line beginning with 'hosts:' should only have options 'files dns'10:01
zchydemafter that apt-get update works10:01
zchydembut after running "PAGER=less..." network stops working10:01
jjo_it should not touch anything that would affect the network connections10:02
jjo_when you upgrade, does it still fetch and install the packages and then stop working10:03
jjo_so you get the latest stuff and then it'll get broken10:03
jjo_does the same happen with 4.0 beta?10:04
zchydemno, I haven't tried that yet, but I'm planning to try it tonight10:04
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zchydemor maybe I should try it out now and waste valuable "time" here at work:)10:06
zchydemjjo_, my problem is not familiar to you?10:07
jjo_I've never heard anything like that10:08
jjo_if you figure it out, I'd like to know what went wrond though10:08
jumpulamake sure nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf are correct on both, host and the target side10:09
jumpulaeg. /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox10:09
jumpulaand same for the resolv.conf10:09
jjo_but nothing should touch those files10:10
jjo_but there's no harm in checking10:10
zchydemI've had two problems orignally..the first was that could get network working with wlan. The fix was not to use wlan. May the existence of the two network interface fo something?10:10
jumpuladon't know about anything touching the files, from there i would start solving the problem :)10:10
jumpulaif my network would be unresponsive10:10
jumpulathat is10:10
zchydemjumpula, the network works before running the "PAGER=less.." command10:11
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jumpulathat's interesting, since that only specifies the command using which text files are viewed10:11
jumpulashouldn't have an effect like that10:12
jjo_the command was the one specified to upgrade from 3.1 to 3.210:12
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jjo_then it upgrades fine and network stops working, and that's just weird10:13
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zchydembtw, has anyone tried to use/build QTopia on N800? Someone had build KDE for N800, but I think it's not very usable...10:24
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JaffaMorning, all11:05
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:53
jumpulahyvää huomenta11:58
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guardiando you know the status of hildon input method framework in chinook ?12:11
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pupnikzzz-/nick pupnik12:34
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pupnikno irc before coffee for me!12:48
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lardmanmorning all12:54
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b0unc3morning ppl13:18
edistaranything wrong with the maemo site?13:20
edistarnot anymore, strange13:21
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edistaris it possible to have a media upnp server outside the subnet? e.g. I have a wifi-router that is attached to a switch, on that switch the server is also attached, but my 770 connects through the wifi-router13:28
devedistar: it is difficult, as the SSDP udp multicast is supposed to stay in the lan13:30
pupnik  DOSBox 0.7x problem with pointer alignment (or endianness?) since cvs commit Jan 24, 2007.  Likely candidate in vga_memory.cpp  Please pass the hat and see if someone can help.13:30
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edistardev: ok, thx13:32
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lardmanpupnik: Did you see Serge's reply on ITT?14:02
* lardman searches for it14:05
zwnjis 2.6.18-omap1 the kernel version of 4.2007.38-2 ?14:08
lardmanyou might also want to look at any structs:
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lardmanzwnj: It must be the same as the previous version as you can get away with only flashing the kernel (i.e. no modules)14:15
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zwnjwell, i just flashed the kernel, as described here .  so the only thing i can check is the date, yes?14:18
zwnjthe kernel date is 21 Sep, is it the new one?14:18
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lardmanah, hang on, I've not flashed it, I'll tell you mine14:19
lardmanMine's Sun Aug 12th14:20
lardmanah, but mine's been rebuilt, so ignore that14:20
lardmananyone with the previous N800 kernel care to give the output of uname -a ?14:21
pupnikwow lardman you rule14:22
pupnik[96001.396148] Alignment trap: dosbox (1363) PC=0x000962d0 Instr=0xe5802004 Addres                                                           s=0x014ab5eb FSR 0x81314:22
lardmannow you just have to work out how to find the code that does that!14:25
lardmanprobably a single arcane gdb instruction :)14:26
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lardmanzwnj: I think you should be safe, that date is well and truly after the release date of the last image14:28
nealI'm trying to install the Maemo 3.2 root strap.  I followed the tutorial and am now trying to build some stuff.  When I run apt-get update && apt-get install -f, I get: The following packages will be REMOVED: bash evolution-data-server-dev hildon-base-lib-dev hildon-control-panel-dev...14:30
nealwhich looks pretty bad14:30
nealany ideas why 3.2 wouldn't work?14:31
nealor what I need to add?14:31
lardmanwhy are you upgrading?14:31
nealI'm not upgrading14:31
nealI'm installing14:31
lardmanwhat does apt-get install -f do?14:31
nealI started with nothing14:31
nealit tries to fix my installation14:31
lardmandunno then, I just downloaded the rootstrap and left it be14:32
nealwell I need to install some packages to be able to work on what I'd like14:32
lardmanNo idea, sorry. I no almost nothing about how the debian package system works14:33
lardmanno! oops, that's very poor - know even14:33
pupniklul bt14:39
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lardmanpupnik: I didn't think backtraces were supposed to work on ARM, probably depends on the compilation options though14:43
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velcoI'm trying to build some software (microb), which says it needs libcairo2, bc and some other packages. Where does one get these from ?14:44
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lardmanthe maemo repo I guess, it should be setup already afaicr14:45
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lardmanlibcairo, strange that's needed and isn't already installed....14:46
velcoapt-get install libcairp2-dev14:46
velcoE: Couldn't find package libcairo2-dev14:46
velcofrom here deb bora free non-free14:47
lardmanyou haven't grabbed the source for a new version of microb? Chinook is supposed to use cairo14:47
velcobrowser is from svn14:47
lardmanI have installed on my n80014:48
zuhlardman: Do you have evince?14:48
lardmanzuh: yes, I may have14:49
zuhAFAIK cairo isn't in the official images, but evince pulls it in from extras or somewhere...14:49
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lardmanah, okay14:49
pupniklardman: maybe someday we get a /dev/sound/sequencer? dsptask for alsa? :)14:53
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lardmanpupnik: You never know. This bloody vorbis decoder is a real pita though - debugging on the DSP is not quick and easy14:54
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lardmanpupnik: at least not using the free tools, the Windows stuff from Ti has a remote debugger, would be nice :)14:54
pupnikhas nokia expressed any interest in your work yet?14:54
lardmanI've not produced anything yet! :)14:55
lardmanIt would be a community add-on anyway14:55
lardmanI think the reason there's no dsp vorbis task atm was something to do with lawyers14:56
lardmanbut I have been talking to some of the Nokia DSP people and they were helpful and friendly, so I'm quite content14:57
mbuflardman, hi, you use Trace32 for debugging?14:59
lardmanmbuf: no, looks commercial to me?15:00
mbuflardman, yes15:00
pupnikit crashes at vga.latch.d=((Bit32u*)vga.mem.linear)[start]15:01
pupnikgdb = cool15:01
lardmanmbuf: this is an amateur hobby for me15:01
mbuflardman, i see15:02
lardmanI also think that to use any sort of remote debugger I'll need support in the dsp kernel, and I'm not sure what's in there - I don't want to recompile if I can avoid it15:02
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pupnik(gdb) set print address on15:07
pupnik(gdb) p 6671215:07
pupnik$2 = 6671215:07
* pupnik is confuzled15:07
neall *0xXXXXX15:08
nealthat will print the code corresponding to a memory address15:08
lardmanpupnik: Come on, put us out of our misery, what's caused the problem!15:14
pupnika cast15:16
pupnikremoving (Bit32u*) got past the error15:17
lardmanwell done15:18
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pupnikit is all Qbix telling me what to do15:20
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Blacksitoxhi :P15:50
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Tak|workmorning all15:53
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* pupnik is too happy15:56
* Tak|work punches pupnik to even him out15:57
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Tak|workso what did that fix?16:00
pupnikthere's no real fix yet - but it was dosbox's uint32 pointer cast that caused the unaligned access16:01
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Tak|workhow long until I can play Tie Fighter in dosbox? :-P16:04
Tak|workooo, or daggerfall16:04
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pupniknot soon16:06
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Tak|workhahaha, I'm kidding anyway16:06
pupnikhave you tried daggerfall on PC dosbox?16:07
Tak|workI think that if I saw daggerfall on an IT, my head would explode16:07
Tak|workno, but I've done Tie Fighter16:07
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pupnikdaggerfall really needs the dynamic recomp and it's slow on my p3 950mhz16:07
Tak|workI have an ancient laptop with a freedos boot solely for daggerfall16:08
Tak|workancient == less powerful than an n80016:08
pupnikawesome ccheers - i absolutely love arena/daggerfall16:08
Tak|workI got one of those 586 coprocessor upgrades specifically to make the arena->daggerfall transition16:09
Tak|workoh, and more ram16:09
pupnikthough the daggerfall dungeons are pretty crazy imo16:10
pupnikgreat map viewer tech, but still not enough distinguishing detail16:10
Tak|workyeah - there was a fairly high percentage of the time that I wasn't able to find whatever random item/person/thing for which I was questing16:10
Tak|workeven though I walked every inch of the dungeon and completely cleaned it out16:11
pupnikyes same16:11
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Tak|workbut oh well - c'est la vie16:11
Tak|workmorrowind was pretty good as well, but I never played all the way through, and I haven't touched oblivion yet16:12
GeneralAntillesOblivion is great.16:12
GeneralAntillesIt's the way RPGs should be made16:12
Tak|workkind of annoyed that bethsoft has chosen to completely annoy other OSs16:12
infobotTak|work meant: kind of ignoreed that bethsoft has chosen to completely annoy other OSs16:12
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pupnikmaybe they'll let someone port arena/daggerfall to linux16:13
* pupnik has originals of arena/daggerfall/morrowind/oblivion16:13
Tak|workI have of the first two16:14
Tak|workI sent them an email once - the response was basically: "We have no plans of supporting any OS but windows, and we have no plan of ever releasing any source to anyone under any condition."16:15
GeneralAntilles'swhat consoles are for.16:15
Tak|works'what console emulators are for ;-)16:16
GeneralAntillesGood luck with that 360 emulator16:16
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GeneralAntillesBe 2015 before we get a reasonably fast one of those. >_>16:16
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Tak|workpff, only thing to emulate on the 360 is halo16:16
GeneralAntillesIf you say so.16:17
GeneralAntillesForza is a good one16:17
GeneralAntilleshad a ton of fun with Crackdown16:17
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Tak|workbesides, a good emulator would make the pc overheat and set the carpet on fire ;-)16:17
GeneralAntillesI just want Fallout 3 already.16:17
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timo3360 emulator on a maemo device?16:18
timo3sounds like a plan16:18
Tak|workI'm on it!16:18
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GeneralAntillesMmm  . . . that would be awesome16:18
GeneralAntillesJust gotta hack some analog triggers into the Wii's Classic Controller (bluetooth).16:19
Tak|worklet's see...vba runs at ~2fps, so x360 will be around .0416:19
GeneralAntillesMore like, wont run at all.16:19
GeneralAntillesHere's to hoping the TI processors in the next revision will be as awesome as they've been cracked up to be.16:20
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pupnikif the craigulator ever sees the light of day i may have to buy that instead16:24
lardmanhave a nice weekend all16:28
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Tak|workdamn...everybody gets long weekends but me16:29
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pupnikdid you find info on thumb pressure on 2007he?  or file a bug?16:33
Tak|worknot yet16:34
Tak|workI don't want to file a bug yet, because I have no idea if it even is a bug, or if I just need to do something differently16:34
pupniknods..might be worth checking thumb keyboard16:34
Tak|workyou're running 2007he, right?16:34
Tak|workoh? 2006?16:35
pupnikyes se16:35
pupniktoday my goal is to make one installable package with working menu item16:36
pupnikand one-click install16:36
Tak|worklol - googling for related things gives me the irc log from our conversation yesterday16:36
Tak|workcan use xmaeme package for an example if you wish16:36
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pupnikam going to forget about maemo-games startup for now16:37
pupnikif you want to switch tasks, quit playing :P16:38
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Tak|workheh - fceu "pauses" if you minimize it16:38
pupnikwhere is this code?16:39
Tak|workto pause?16:39
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pupnikoh it came with fceu?16:39
Tak|workno, I inserted it16:39
Tak|workone sec, I'll find it16:39
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Tak|workah - combination of osso.c and main.c16:41
Tak|work(in src/drivers/pc )16:41
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cosmohas anyone tried to compile z26?17:00
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cosmobuild fails at /usr/include/linux/bitmap.h:125: error: `BITS_PER_LONG' undeclared (first use in this function)17:02
pupnikwhat is z26?17:03
pupnikoh atari emu17:03
cosmolooks like it contains x86 assembler.. so no luck17:06
pupniktry stella17:07
cosmojust compiling it17:07
cosmogot it to compile17:12
Tak|workpupnik: also from src/drivers/pc/input.c17:14
pupnikty - noted/copied17:15
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Tak|workhm, I may see the source of the "flickering" issue for n800 users17:17
Tak|worklooks like I'm enabling pixel doubling on every click, which, on os2006 and 2007he, did nothing if it was already enabled17:21
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cosmowhee, it works!17:26
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cosmoneeds hildonization, buttons do nothing yet17:27
cosmoat least you can watch pitfall demo running ;)17:27
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pupnikgot a bluetooth keyboard?17:28
pupniksound works?17:28
cosmonot at work17:28
cosmono sound..i think it uses sdl audio17:28
pupniki think my fav for that would be slot racers17:29
cosmothere is a huge number of games available17:30
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cosmoa little hildonization and a nice gtk ui would do good17:32
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cosmoalthough stella has built-in gui which works17:32
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pupnikdo you build for N800 or 770?17:36
Tak|worksdl audio should work fine17:37
pupnik more ~/.profile17:37
pupnikexport CFLAGS="-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer17:37
pupniki make sure to set CFLAGS env variable before running ./configure17:37
cosmoi had to change 2 lines of code (missing resolution stuff in sdl struct). i just hardcoded the resolution17:37
Tak|workoh, hah - I'm doing it because there's no way to query Xsp whether doubling is turned on for a given display17:38
cosmobut afk now.. to demo show at local university. i'll hack stella more tomorrow17:39
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pupnikok cheers17:42
pupniksong of farting hands man playing mario theme please leave my brain...17:44
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* |R just got his n800, yeah!18:34
GeneralAntillesEncode yerself some video and pop it on a UPnP server.18:35
|Rcan it recharge while i play with it? ;)18:35
|Rwoohoo ;)18:35
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|Rdo customs have a habit of breaking seals though?18:37
GeneralAntillesWhere'd you get it from?18:38
|RSmartTech over eBay...18:38
GeneralAntillesebay . . .18:38
|Ryeah i know, but it's hard to get a reasonable price in canada ;)18:38
|R335+20 shipping18:38
GeneralAntillesCould be worse18:38
GeneralAntillesDoes it look used?18:39
pupniknot bad18:39
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GeneralAntillesWas it sold as new?18:39
GeneralAntillesI very much doubt that customs would've opened it18:39
|Rsold as new yeah... i think it looks new, though the screen protector is a bit weird though... :|18:39
pupnikit's a shipping protector afaik18:40
|Rlike the casing looks basically perfect18:40
|Ra bit scratch with dots looking like bubbles actually18:40
GeneralAntillesLies, pupnik. :P18:41
|RYeah i'll try to grab the top right corner hehe18:41
pupniki am incorrect?18:41
GeneralAntillesI used the factory screen protector for 5 months.18:41
|Rno ok18:41
pupnikmaybe someone can tell us here what it is meant to be18:41
|Ri just checked below the screen protector18:41
|Rand everything is super clean18:41
GeneralAntillesGet yourself a real protector asap18:42
|Rmaybe the guy just checked everything was in there...18:42
|Ri did, a boxwave anti-glare... if that doesn't work i'll go back to shieldzone one's...18:42
GeneralAntillespupnik, I was kidding about the lies. ;) Just a reference to the fact that I scratched up the factory protector for 5 months before putting a real one on.18:43
* Tak|work doesn't use a protector18:43
pupnikokey i do not have a n80018:43
|Rit's smaller than i thougth :)18:43
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* |R doesn't get the SD card connetor...18:45
|R(internal one)18:45
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|Rah ok18:46
|Rlooks weird haha ;)18:46
GeneralAntillesDual-SD was a stroke of genius.18:46
|Ris it normal to have the stock miniSD->SD card raising at 15 o before you close the cover? :)18:47
GeneralAntillesThere's a little tab18:47
|R(if i'm annoying, slap me ;)18:47
GeneralAntillesPush it all the way down and slip the tab over it.18:47
|Rgenius :)18:47
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|Rthe design rocks hehe :)18:47
GeneralAntillesGet yourself that theme18:49
GeneralAntillesit's absolutely beautiful18:49
GeneralAntillesjust wish it were 12pt18:49
|RI'll have to flash the firmware first i guess (to fix the SDHC bug)18:49
GeneralAntillesActually, on that subject, is there any way to change it to 12pt manually?18:49
GeneralAntillesAh, good plan.18:49
GeneralAntillesWouldn't want to go installing a bunch of stuff to have to do it again 5 minutes later.18:49
|Rhehe :)18:50
GeneralAntillesBe nice if they streamline the update system a little more nicely for Chinook.18:50
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|RMaybe i'll just play with it for today while it recharges though and do the upgrade with a full battery18:52
ramo102Hi everybody. Have someone had problems with the microb browser? I lost the vertical scrollbar, it doesn't appear anymore18:52
|R(Something you learn when you brick something once haha ;)18:52
GeneralAntillesTry a restart, ramo102?18:52
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ramo102I have just tried to restart, and to reinstall microb too, but without results18:52
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GeneralAntillesI remember there being a discussion on the issue in the past18:53
GeneralAntillesI don't recall the resolution and never had trouble with it myself?18:53
GeneralAntilleserm, -?18:53
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GeneralAntillesTry changing themes?18:53
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|Ruhm, i have an email of in the presence thingie...19:03
GeneralAntillesGoogle Talk19:03
GeneralAntillesNot your e-mail?19:03
GeneralAntillesSounds used. <_<19:04
|Roh well, it's in perfect shape, maybe a store demo that never got used...19:04
GeneralAntillesMaybe the seller just tried it out.19:04
GeneralAntillesWho knows19:04
GeneralAntillesAs long as it works. . . .19:05
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|Ri'm trying to get online now, but i my WPA key is way too long haha ;)19:05
pupniki have a callous on my wrist from the edge of my desktop19:07
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Tak|workhmm - will the openembedded mono port run on the ITs?19:16
pupnikhay guyz!@  who wants to make the quake1 engine play daggerfall? ok lets go19:18
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pupnikdescent has been removed from  hmm19:25
|Ruhm, is it normal that every central columns in web site like /. render like a vertical line of letters? :P19:27
* |R must be missing a setting somewhere ;)19:27
|R(at a 100% it's ok but then i can't read ;)19:31
pupnikmaybe you can turn off "fit to page" or "text wrap"?19:33
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|Rfit to page sounds like a solution yeah :)19:34
|Rnow where is that config haha ;)19:34
pupniksearch maemo opera "fit to page"19:35
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|RDoes anyone know how many n770 and n800 were sold?20:35
|R100k? 1m? 10m? 100m? :)20:35
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alabamahi all. Can someone help me in X-forwarding on PC (ubuntu) an app running on 770? Openssh client & server is installed on both machines. The reverse works good. Details later, if someone here tells it should be possible to achieve...20:59
alabamaI've done ssh -X username@ip21:03
Tak|workdo you have X forwarding enabled in the sshd_config on the 770?21:04
alabamaI remember yes, I'll check now21:05
alabamaI've tryed to do so:21:05
alabamassh -X username@ip run-standalone.ssh python name_of_app21:05
alabama...but this launches the app on the 770, so not what I want21:06
alabamad'oh! X11Forwarding no! thanks Tak, I'll try with "yes" ;)21:08
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pupnikTak|work: i think dosbox is now partially fixed :)21:15
Tak|workpupnik: very nice21:16
pupnikc2woody gave the fixes21:16
Tak|workalabama also needs to make sure it's setting his DISPLAY properly21:16
t_s_ohmm, anyone else read the news about the new ARM design?21:18
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smackpotatowhere do i put commands i want to run at startup21:19
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_Monkeystartup is a little slow but it runs okay. :D21:22
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milhouse_monkey forget startup21:24
_Monkeymilhouse: I forgot startup21:24
Tak|workt_s_o: not yet - have a link?21:24
milhouse_monkey startup is <reply>21:24
_MonkeyOK, milhouse.21:25
t_s_oi wonder if im reading it right when i get it to go 1Ghz at 250mW, with potentially 4 cores21:25
Tak|workdamn, very nice!21:26
milhousedon't expect to see it in devices for another 18 months or so21:26
GeneralAntilles"250mW and the dreams of little children"21:26
t_s_omilhouse: thats the sad part. i see TI barely have cortex A8 based cpus out and now this...21:27
Tak|workI'd like to see one of those in n800+221:27
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milhouseme too, but I might have switched to Intel by then :(21:27
smackpotatoi want to run echo 100 >.....swappiness every time i start21:28
t_s_oyep, those mid's are coming on strong. and with the iphone-like ui, it will probably be a consumer hit...21:29
pupnikwe're still waiting for A821:29
Tak|workheh, with so many consumer linux apps optimized for x86 arch, the intel ones are tempting21:29
milhousei'm sure Intel MIDs will be every bit as hackable as Nokia NITs21:29
pupnikthe proper attitude is to hate intel enough to purchase from other mfgrs even if they are inferior </soapbox>21:30
milhousethink how many codecs will work more or less out of the box...21:30
GeneralAntillesHopefully Nokia has some good stuff up their sleeves.21:30
Tak|workt_s_o: I can't tell if the 1GHz part is included in the 250mW statement, or if you can only have "4x the power of an ARM11" for 250mW21:30
GeneralAntillesHate to see them fall too far behind in the market that they created.21:30
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milhousecan't see that not happening unfortunately - Intel and their MIDs will be a juggernaught21:30
t_s_owell with a gorilla like intel on the move, and with asian factories in action, i wonder...21:31
milhousedozens of far east partners to flood the market...21:31
t_s_otwo people, one thought milhouse?21:31
Tak|workpupnik: the degree of inferiority has to be a consideration, though21:31
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milhousedevelop for intel x86 MIDs which are everywhere or Nokia NITs that sell maybe only 10s of thousands and battle with undocumented and closed source/NDA'd hardware... not really a difficult choice.21:32
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t_s_obah, i hope that the agreed upon universal mobile connector (usb basically) will help with removing the "made for ipod" junk...21:33
milhouseyou mean the connector that Nokia refuses to use for charging?21:33
t_s_ohmm, nokia dropped the ball with those hardware issues21:33
t_s_omilhouse: refuse right now maybe21:33
* pupnik will never forgive the 808821:34
t_s_oi understand that they are in on the new agreement. if nothing else so that they can sell to the chinese market21:34
milhousethe n800 has a host of hardware cockups - one can only hope the next version addresses all the hardware issues in the current device21:34
GeneralAntillesHehe, if we get hardware video acceleration . . .21:34
milhousevideo bandwidth, poor touchscreen response, USB (on-the-go, charging, hub)21:34
t_s_otime will tell...21:35
milhouseThe Wifi implementation isn't great either (ie. kismet doesn't work properly - an ideal app for the N800)21:35
t_s_o <- promising...21:35
pupnikwise words21:36
Tak|workpoor d-pad21:38
milhousecomputer repair techs, eh?21:38
Tak|workright-hand buttons21:38
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GeneralAntillesBe great if they had mirror the buttons onto the right side21:40
* pupnik hoistes the atTak flag21:40
pupnikdo you think rhs buttons would hurt the image of the device for 'professionals'21:41
pupniki think they could be made unobtrusive - not like a big gp2x21:41
GeneralAntillesUgh, who the hell buys a device for "image". . . .21:42
GeneralAntillesI buy devices for functionality.21:42
pupniki think it is a big factor21:42
mvhtestpeople who buy iPhones.... ;21:42
t_s_ohmm, i recall a handheld console that one could flip to play with either hand on the d-pad21:42
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pupnik  if buttons then unobtrusive i think21:42
Tak|workpupnik: they could even be mirrors of the LHS buttons21:43
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GeneralAntillesMove the camera to the top center21:45
GeneralAntillesIt's just going to get covered in hand gunk there.21:45
pupnikyoure right21:45
GeneralAntillesAlso, you need an indent on the cover on the right. ;)21:46
alabamaNo way. Now the X11Forward parameter is yes in sshd_config on 770, ssh restarted, but the app runs on the 770 instead of running on PC ubuntu (or I have a error in import gtk if i don't write run-standalone.ssh). Which could be the cause?21:46
Tak|workalabama: check the DISPLAY variable21:46
alabamaok, checking...21:47
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alabamaops, 770 crashed. I'll check that after dinner. Thanks Tak.21:48
GeneralAntilles#1 thing Nokia needs to do for the next software revision is improve UI responsiveness.21:48
GeneralAntillesI'm always having flashbacks to the OS X beta. <_<21:49
pupnikI agree that it would help first impressions21:49
GeneralAntillesIt's not really that bad21:49
GeneralAntillesbut it just doesn't help the device image.21:50
pupnikdoesn't bother me at all, but if people use the word 'sluggish' once in a review, that hurts21:50
alabamacan't find display variable. There's a X11DisplayOffset 10...21:50
GeneralAntillesI'm very used to it now.21:50
GeneralAntillesEspecially after moving up to the N800.21:50
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t_s_obtw, anyone else find this highly interesting?
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devt_s_o: interesting, yes - but I'm working on something like this for quite a while too22:11
t_s_ofigures ;)22:11
t_s_obeen thinking of something similar to, in that merging a tv, hdd-recorder and a keyboard& mouse set should in theory create a simple computer...22:11
dev <- my little project22:14
t_s_oill admit, the only upnp i have any knowledge of is the firewall kind...22:16
GeneralAntillesI just discovered UPnP media serving a few weeks ago.22:17
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GeneralAntillesIt's too bad I haven't found a way to transcode the stuff on-the-fly.22:17
||cwmencoder with a fifo?22:17
devt_s_o: most people do, bad press :-)22:18
GeneralAntilles--using the UPnP server I have (EyeConnect). ;)22:18
t_s_oi suspect that with upnp and proper format standards, one could maybe get rid of drivers fully?22:19
devGeneralAntilles: we are working on transcoding, but will take some time, probably end of this year22:20
GeneralAntillesBe nice if there were a cheap, effective hardware MPEG4 encoder for use with the N800.22:21
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konttoriout of curiosity, why don't you use mplayer to play the stuff? It should support pretty much any video you throw at it.22:25
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GeneralAntillesh.264, anything over 640x480, stuff running at 2Mbps +?22:30
_MonkeyUPnP is not just about playing something, controlling is much more fun22:30
konttoriahh... well, then I suppose you will have to transcode or pre-transcode22:31
sp3000konttori: oh I hid a patch for the crop thing into the tracker the other day22:31
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konttoriI would choose the latter.22:31
konttoriahh.. cool.22:31
GeneralAntillesWhich is what I do22:31
konttoriahh... good.22:31
GeneralAntillesbut it's time/CPU, and storage consuming.22:32
konttoriwell, you can put the system to do the conversion on a few nights and storage is cheap22:32
GeneralAntillesNot that cheap22:32
konttoriSeriously speaking it's a valid thought that it would be nice to transencode on the fly22:33
GeneralAntillesParticularly, I'd like to be able to watch my EyeTV recordings on the N800.22:34
GeneralAntillesI can get them through UPnP already22:34
GeneralAntillesbut they're not encoded for the device.22:34
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pupniki watch my vids transcoded right now on 770 with knots player22:35
pupniklive transcoding goodness22:36
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GeneralAntillesThe IT platform makes for a fantastic carry-around media player22:36
pupnikwell server/player22:36
GeneralAntilleswithout being as clunky as the Archos offerings.22:37
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konttoriI have to say that I like to watch things from the mmc/sd cards. Juice lasts so much longer, device doesn't get so hot and I don't have to worry about staying in the wifi range.22:37
pupnikkonttori: at home too?22:38
GeneralAntillesI've got 502sq-ft to wander around in up here and plenty of wifi coverage at my parents house22:38
GeneralAntillesso wifi range isn't a worry22:38
pupniki dunno man, random access to a library is pretty sweet22:38
GeneralAntillesand I don't spend enough time in front of it to worry about battery power22:38
pupnikfor on-the-go i do tweaked 770-encode.pl22:39
GeneralAntillesPlanning and pre-encoding your stuff is great for trips22:39
GeneralAntillesNot so good when you're at home.22:39
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konttoriwell, if I like to watch a longer movie at home, I use dvd. If I watch a short video at home, I use n800. and encoding short video takes seconds.22:40
GeneralAntillesThis: spits out beautiful MPEG4s for me, and even supports Xgrid so I can batch-encode a bunch of stuff really quickly, but having spur-of-the-moment access to stuff is just so much tastier. :D22:41
konttorianyway, to each his / her own.22:42
konttoridid you pay for visual hub?22:42
||cwhm...  dual core nokia device in 2 years?22:42
GeneralAntillesIt saves the pain of dealing with ffmpeg directly, and does great queing/network work distribution besides. ;)22:43
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konttorithere is already the 3d core in there as well ;)22:44
GeneralAntillesDrivers, please.22:45
konttoriand that's pretty sweet one as well. I hope that some day we can utilise it as well.22:45
alabamaSo here I am back, with same problem as one hour ago. Trying to X-forward apps from 770 to pc ubuntu with openssh. I've already enabled X11Forward in sshd_config, but still no way. If someone can help I can summarize my problem again.22:45
konttoriyeah, well, you know, someone has to make them22:45
GeneralAntillesI can't believe they tossed something like that into a device without any support for it.22:45
t_s_o <- "genius comment"22:45
||cwalabama: ssh -X22:46
konttoriI think they got it as an afterthought. that it was 'added bonus'.22:46
t_s_ohow come that anything non-x86 is not "laptop class cpu"?22:46
GeneralAntillesSorta like Ford sticking another I-4 in the back of your SUV but not hooking it up to anything.22:46
alabamayes, I know. It works the other way (ubuntu -> 770).22:46
pupnikit wasn't really 'tossed-in' - it's part of the system-on-a-chip22:46
alabamabut not 770 -> ubuntu (ubuntu: client, 770: server)22:47
alabamaI'm trying to launch a python app. The other way it works, with the same app.22:48
||cwalabama: do you get the  /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found error?22:48
||cwor did you install zauth22:48
alabamathe error is:22:48
||cwwell, you cna't forward without xauth22:49
alabamasomething related to import gtk22:49
alabamacan I download this "xauth" from garage?22:49
||cwdunno, just now trying myself22:49
alabamaI have openssh on both ends22:49
||cwthat's only the forward part, now you have to convince X11 to let you22:50
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alabamawith: ssh -X user@ip python path/to/app.py22:50
alabamaI hav an error related to import gtk, while...22:51
alabamawith: ssh -X user@ip python path/to/app.py22:51
alabamathe app launches, but on the 77022:51
GeneralAntillesGoodness, the Archos media players are cheap these days.22:52
||cwalabama: it's possible that the cut down X11 server on it simply can't use anything but display :022:55
alabamamaybe. found this:
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alabamaso the openssh-server on maemo doesn't support forwarding?22:56
alabamafrom that post it seems dropbear does support it. Can I try installing it without risking some kind of conflict with openssh?22:57
alabamaOr what should I do to avoid conflicts?22:58
||cwdropbear has other issues22:58
||cwlike no scp22:58
alabamayes in fact I want to stick with openssh22:58
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||cwhm, actualy maybe scp is fixed22:59
alabamaso I'd like to try dropbear just for the forwarding22:59
kalayou could enable debuging on the openssh server and check some messages22:59
||cwyou'll have to uninstall openssh first22:59
||cwyou still need a xauth though22:59
alabamammh... that seems harder than I thought.23:00
alabamaso, this means xauth is installed on ubuntu, as it works the other way?23:00
||cwyeah, I think its default on ubunut23:01
alabamaI understand. Thanks very much ||cw.23:01
alabamawhat "xhost +" means?23:03
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kalaallow connections without auth from anywhere23:04
||cwyou can do that and skip the ssh bit23:05
Atariikonttori! did u hav a look at the python?23:05
||cwif you trust your network that is23:05
konttorinope. sorry23:05
konttoriHmm.. I could still take a peek. a sec23:05
Atariinp upgraded to it2007he anyways23:05
kalabtw, evince crashes the n770 sometimes. is there something icould do to find out why?23:08
konttoriAtarii: so, it's working for you now?23:12
konttoriAtarii: I know the guy making the 2007 HE. If you have any suggestions on how to improve it, let me know23:13
||cwkonttori: other than to find a way to get the newer opera and flash, even if we'd have to buy it?23:14
konttoriwell, for those, the obvious answer is that nokia does not have the license to include them in the HE23:14
konttoriso yeah, other than those23:15
||cwyes I know, so how do we, as users, go about acquiring the licenses23:15
||cwI really do think there is a market for it23:16
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pupnikyeah a market of 300 maybe23:18
pupniktake as your base the number of ppl who have reflashed or would reflash with 2007he23:19
Tak|workGeneralAntilles: http://www.cowonamerica.com23:20
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pupnikwhat's your guess on the number of 2007he installations?  4000?23:21
* Tak|work 123:21
kalathe 2007he download is registered and counted, isn't it?23:21
Tak|workheh, I've downloaded at least 4 times23:22
kalabut you used the same serial?23:22
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konttoriIt would be very interesting to know how may people really have upgraded to HE23:32
konttoriAny application that every HE owner has that is in garage?23:33
Atariii wish i had done it sooner tbh23:33
Atariiits so much more responsive23:33
konttoriahh.. good to hear that23:34
Tak|workkala: ah, yes23:34
Tak|workkonttori: thumbpresses seem to be different on HE23:35
konttoriwhat do you mean?23:35
konttorias is not so good?23:35
|Ri put myself in red-pill mode, go there, click install openssh ( ) then open, and it says fails... what kind of newb error am i doing? ;)23:35
Tak|workit just seems to be handled differently23:35
Tak|worklike, in os2006, and os2007 on n800, if I thumbpress on, e.g., an OK button, it clicks the button23:35
Tak|workbut on 2007HE, it *selects* the button, but doesn't actually click it23:36
Atarii2007he should come pre-loaded with the main repositories23:36
konttoriOdd. I'll mention that to him23:36
Tak|workI get similar result with fceu - when I thumbpress on the onscreen buttons, it doesn't register as a click23:36
konttoriI'll have to ask if he ever hands in #maemo. If not, he should come here every once in a while23:36
Tak|workbut I can tap with thumbnail and it does23:37
konttorihangs... not hands23:37
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Tak|workbut stuff that I expect to work with thumbpress, like text fields that pop up the fullscreen kb, work fine23:37
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Tak|workkala: I suspect out-of-memory on evince, btw23:40
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GeneralAntilles2007HE is really great23:44
GeneralAntillesI miss 12pt themes, though.23:44
pupniki think there are 12 and 14 versions of the main themes23:45
pupnikthemes-os07-12pt-0.1-1.deb  -2 etc23:46
Atariiis there a seperate 'becomeroot' app for it2007 or does the 2006 version work?23:47
kalaTak|work: so, after some pageturns, the 64 MB of memory is full and the n770 just crashes? it should be possible to modify evince then?23:49
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Tak|workkala: are you using swap?23:53
Tak|workAtarii: on it2007 you use ssh23:54
pupnikmaybe evince has a page cache that could be tweaked23:55
Tb0n3rwhat's the use of r&d mode?23:55
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