IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-10-03

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Tb0n3rroot password00:03
b0unc3Tb0n3r: rootme00:03
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_Monkeyrootme is the default pw?00:03
Tb0n3rsorry, try again00:04
satdmy n770 is slow all of sudden00:04
satdi think needs a good throw against the wall...00:05
Tb0n3rrootme isn't the root password00:08
Mikhodid you try "ssh root@localhost"? That's the only way I could make it accept the root password00:09
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Tb0n3rcause that gets you to bash00:10
Tb0n3rinstead of sh00:10
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satdknow any good process killer for n770?00:13
flip^if you are confident with the command line, become root and use kill - as long as you know what you're killing00:15
Tb0n3r... now when I try to install openssh server it says "Not found?"00:19
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Mikhoit doesn't find openssh?00:22
Tb0n3rapparently it was the kernelconcepts that wouldn't work00:25
Tb0n3rnvm, it's messing up, not updating00:26
Tb0n3rand not kernelconcepts, but the non-certified nokia repo00:27
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Tb0n3rnow I'm letting it refresh every time I add a repo so I don't have to break it down again00:30
Tb0n3rcrap, shoulda just disabled them instead of deleting them00:31
Tb0n3roh well00:31
Tb0n3rand it appears oakcourt isn't working00:33
Tb0n3rguess I wouldn't trust a dyndns domain anyhow00:35
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Tb0n3rtook a while, but I've got me repositories00:43
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satdinstalled hamachi00:53
satdand conneted to the network00:53
satdbut the n770 media play won't see the media server00:53
Tb0n3rhmm, openssh server/client .install file still says "Not found?"00:56
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sp3000heh chinhook01:02
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Blacksitox <- compatible for n800 ?01:06
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gla55_" or any other infrared-enabled Palm or PDA or smartphone, for that matter),"01:08
gla55_i would say no01:08
Tb0n3rn800 has iR?01:12
flip^I think the lack of ir is why its a no ;)01:12
Tb0n3rI <3 apt-get01:13
Tb0n3rwell, aptitude01:13
_Monkeyaptitude is probably the alternative01:13
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Tb0n3reither that was really quick typing or I don't know wtf you're talkin about01:14
flip^_Monkey is kinda automatic :)01:14
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satdspend 3 days to get hamachi on n77001:17
satdnow i have no use for it....01:17
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Tb0n3rok, much much better01:18
Tb0n3r<3 root01:18
Tb0n3rinstead of graphical interfaces fuxing I can see wtf is going on and cancel/fix it01:19
Tb0n3rT_T if only there were cli web browsers that showed pictures01:19
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Thanatermesisthere seems like a problem when i use the system from a MMC card, if i plug the USB device to a computer, the root FS seems mounted too02:40
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Thanatermesisi have videos on 320x240, but aparently n800 don't resize it for view it on real-fullscreen03:18
Thanatermesismplayer -fs -zoom and more options not works too03:18
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Tb0n3rgod I love this thing03:50
Tb0n3rso, is there anything that will play divx?03:52
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Tb0n3why is the connection so damn slow over usb?03:53
zerojayBecause it's USB.03:59
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Tb0n3well, my usb multireader reads and writes at 5x the speed the 770 does04:09
Tb0n3110 minutes left on a 500MB transfer and it's 1/4 of the way done04:09
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Tb0n3excuse me 20x faster04:28
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Tb0n3is this unusual?04:28
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Tb0n3mplayer does04:34
Tb0n3but mplayer plays it horribly04:36
Tb0n3and canola not at all04:36
Tb0n3goes down to less than 1 frame per second04:37
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shaprWhat apt sources can I use for the hacker's edition for the N770?05:07
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shaprWill I be able to use any OS 2007 repositories with the Hacker's Edition on the Nokia 770?05:14
shaprOdd, it's not requesting a DHCP address.05:17
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Tb0n3oooooo, nice chair I have05:49
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Tb0n3:( gnugo won't work right06:40
Tb0n3if only06:40
Tb0n3and if I try to install tar it wants to uninstall busybox06:44
Tb0n3it wants to remove EVERYTHING06:45
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Tb0n3so, what's this hacker's edition?06:52
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grndlvlanyone know what repo to add to get libffi4 installed?06:55
shaprI do wish I knew.06:57
grndlvlI had it once before but now i dont know06:58
grndlvlI need it to install Python 2.506:58
shaprMe too06:58
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Tb0n3extracting a tarbal of gnugo07:01
Tb0n3taking forever with the 770 usb link07:02
Tb0n3hope it works07:02
Tb0n320 minutes to extract a 3.6MB tarbal07:05
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
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pupnikTb0n3: i usally wget files to the 770's mmc then untar them locally07:07
pupnik^^ grndlvl search there07:07
Tb0n3? wget on the 770? or untar onthe 770?07:08
Tb0n3I tried to find tar on it but in order to install tar I'd have to do everything over07:08
Tb0n3it wants everything uninstalled07:08
grndlvlthanks guys07:11
pupnikTb0n3: i can check which ones i have07:12
pupnikFilename: pool/maemo2.2/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb07:12
pupniki don't see where wget came from07:13
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Tb0n3 toy07:14
grndlvlOk the two repos that says it has libffi4 does not have them07:16
grndlvlits like the file does not exist07:20
pupniki see libffi4 with apt-cache search07:21
pupnikunfortunately apt-cache search does not show which repository contains a package07:21
pupnikthis is a major deficiency in apt, imo07:21
Tb0n3just get root and apt-get install libffi407:22
Tb0n3also, where would I find me sum hacker's edition?07:22
grndlvlyea ok07:22
Tb0n3do you know how to do this?07:22
pupniki'd search the ITT forums for 2007he07:24
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czrTb0n3, the usb speed on 770 is 12 Mbps07:28
czr(aka, the high speed of usb 1.1)07:28
czralso for some reason it is very slow when hitting MMC07:28
pupnik770 kernel access mmc in compatibility mode07:29
pupnikvery slow07:29
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czris that what they call it? compatibility mode? :-)07:29
czrit's slower than compat mode though :-)07:29
pupnikif you have high speed mmc you can install a hacked kernel07:29
czrnewer one?07:29
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pupniki'm not sure about the status but there's a kernel supporting '52mhz' mode07:30
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czrah, ok. not really a problem for me though, just wondered about it a year or so back07:30
czrwas more suprised to find out about the low speed of usb really.07:31
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Tb0n3claws-mail won't work for gmail, gmail uses tsl for smtp and claws doesn't have thatuns07:32
Tb0n3mine's a kingston mmcmobile07:33
Tb0n3has a bunch of connectors07:33
Tb0n3it's high speed07:34
Tb0n3where's this high speed kernel?07:34
Tb0n3and do I need linux flasher to put it on?07:35
Tb0n313 connectors07:39
Tb0n3I thought it looked weird07:39
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pupniki am not a google bot07:42
pupnikcheers GeneralAntilles07:43
pupnikhows it goin07:43
GeneralAntillesJust working up a php/mysql system for a website I help run.07:44
Tb0n3is there a way to get xterm to start another window?07:47
pupnikit has tabs07:47
pupnikfile->new tab07:48
Tb0n3well, I've had kismet start another window in a boot cd07:48
Tb0n3wireless auditing ftw07:48
Tb0n3but what I mean is, running a gui'd app starting from cli07:48
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grndlvlya pupnik still dont see the libffi4 in apt-get cache either07:49
grndlvlalthough i have two issues on update07:50
grndlvlW: GPG error: bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <>07:50
grndlvlW: GPG error: bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D07:50
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pupniki ignore those errors07:50
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grndlvlnot sure what to do here07:51
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ToddBrandtHi, I having a problem with hildon-control-panel and was wondering if someone could help me out?07:53
grndlvlohh well thanks for the help going to ged07:53
grndlvlwhat problem ToddBrandt07:54
ToddBrandtBasically, I have a sound applet that sets up the audio devices for the system, and it's designed as a library which is pulled up by the controlpanel process07:54
ToddBrandtIt requires gstreamer to work, and the gstreamer documentation tells me that I have to either call gst_init or g_threat_init() *before* any other glib functions are called07:55
ToddBrandtBut by the time my execute function is called, it's too late07:55
ToddBrandtIs there a way to initialize gstreamer from a hildon cp applet? Or do I have to patch hildon-control-panel to call gst_init in its main function?07:56
grndlvlhrmm... I really don;t know sorry dude07:56
ToddBrandtgrndlvl: no problem, thanks anyway, I'll leave that up in case someone knows07:56
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pupnikError Message: E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (absolute dist)07:59
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pupnikahh leave components blank08:00
shaprGeneralAntilles: Are you same guy who plays trem?08:04
GeneralAntillesHehe, hey, shapr. ;)08:05
pupnik trem is what?08:06
GeneralAntillesOpen source FPS08:06
GeneralAntillesbased os q308:06
shaprWith Hacker's Edition of bora on my Nokia 770, suddenly it doesn't use DHCP requests anymore.. it uses something else?08:06
GeneralAntilleser, on08:06
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shaprwireshark shows LLC protocol, DSAP / SSAP ?08:06
pupnikwow i'd never heard of tremulous... what engine does it use?08:07
GeneralAntillesQuake 308:07
pupnik... even available in debian08:07
shaprI can connect to other wifi access points, but not the antique AP I own, what's up with that?08:07
GeneralAntillesCheck the advance settings on the connection for your home AP?08:08
DrelHello -- I just upgraded to the latest firmware on the N800, and am reinstalling a few apps.  Some apps I had installed prior to the upgrade and restore (I backed up immediately prior to the firmware upgrade) are not installing, including aisleriot, and mirage (image viewer).  Mirage, for example, complains of missing libffi4.  The Maemo extras repository is enabled in application manager,...08:08 I'm not sure what the problem is.08:08
shaprI can't find libffi4 either, I want it for Python.08:09
DrelIs there anything about the firmware upgrade which would make these packages unavailable?08:10
shaprAdvanced settings for my AP connection has "auto-retrive ip address" checked, but why is it using some sort of LLC packets instead of DHCP?08:11
pupnikthis is the second report of unavailable libffi4 today08:11
shaprI think08:12
_Monkeyi think repositories is  and a searchable index at
pupnikwhat repository should have libffi4?08:12
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sp3000perhaps someone should make a packages list grabbing web app for that type of query08:25
DrelHmm.  I have the maemo extras repo in my repo list, for both free and non-free components.  But libffi4 is not available.08:26
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pupnikplease send feedback to repo maintainer08:28
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pupnikmorgen konttori08:31
pupniki love dosbox soo much08:32
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_Monkeyhmmm... nsswitch is
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timelessWhat's this new firmware mentioned in [Bug 2063] New: microb won't install on new firmware (4.2007.38-2)?09:13
_MonkeyBug 2063 might be found at
pupnikno idea09:14
pupnikbug report is too vague09:15
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sp3000timeless: mmc corruption fix rel09:16
* timeless finds
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pupnikdoes the IT2006se need maemo-bt-plugin?09:38
pupnikfor some reason i thought newer it2006se had connectivity for bluetooth keyboard builtin09:42
pupnikis that^ still current/09:42
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pupnikok it works fine09:47
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timelessSp3000: i thought i wrote instructions for reporting application manager bugs in a bugzilla report, specifically reporting application manager log and sources.list, could you find that comment and reference it for me in 2063?09:55
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kamal_garunable to find include file:keybindings.rc09:58
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onionwhy can't the 2007 media player have a simple File->Open operation ?10:13
kamal_garwhat is the cause of this error:unble to find include file:keybindings.rc10:23
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onionwhat does the metalayer crawler consider as audio ?10:36
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onionadding my mods manuly to the meta db is a bit slow, fortunately the media player agrees to play them then10:49
JaffaMorning, all10:49
* Jaffa yawns: knackered from getting a working system for pointing it at a set of videos and it produces an on-demand transcoding RSS feed with thumbnails for VideoCenter.10:51
sx|lappyJaffa: sounds like a youtube clone of some sort10:52
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Big_Bfor maemo2.2 scratchbox is "" is it ok? please anybody.11:31
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Jaffasx|lappy: more thinking of interfacing to media centre things, however it'd also be possible to paste it RSS feeds of other sites and auto-transcode them to N800-compatible. So, for example, the YouTube RSS feed in VideoCenter going through your converter on your PC11:42
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:47
AD-N770rainy day in Barcelona11:47
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mbuftrying example_alarm, where and what should be value of PKG_CONFIG_PATH ?12:18
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mbufusing Maemo 3.2 Bora12:20
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zwnji have set IP/DNS of n800 to connect my wifi connection and it connects and the jabber client connects to the server, but i get "Address Not Found" page in microb.  do you have any idea what the problem is?12:27
sp3000timeless: hm, no bug containing sources.list has a comment by you, and nothing else quite jumps at me either12:28
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lardmananyone familiar with syslog.conf?13:06
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edistarhello! when I install aircrack-ng airodump is not included?13:15
zwnji don't understand why i get this error:13:20
zwnjnslookup: getaddrinfo('') failed: Name or service not known13:20
zwnjeverything works well for other sites...13:20
* lardman curses13:27
edistarhow do I set my wlan0 to go into promisc mode?13:28
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lardmanIt would appear, that dsp_dld does not always tell you what's causing ABORTADR, slightly annoying13:32
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edistaryou can actually use airmon-ng to turn promisc on and off without rebooting with OS 2007, cool :)13:36
lardmanRight, school boy question coming up: I have some global declarations in one file of my project (e.g. char *_ogg_stack0_post=ogg_malloc_heap;)13:36
lardmanI'd like to see the value of this var in my main() fn13:37
lardmancan/should I use extern in that source file to make this var visible?13:37
lardman(the main() fn and the declarations are in separate files that are linked together eventually)13:38
disqyou can do that13:39
lardmanI should be able to - I wanted to check, but the dsp loader doesn't like this13:39
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lardmanhmm, swapping it around so I do the declaration in the main source file and extern it in the other one seems to work13:43
lardmanvery off13:43
lardmanodd even13:44
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disqmmm no idea13:49
lardmanRight, another one :)13:53
lardmanI'll pastebin it though, as it's going to get long13:54
lardman see if that makes sense13:57
lardmanoops, typo in the printf, no quotes13:57
lardmanthat's my fault transcribing though13:58
lardmanhmm, 17 is an interesting address for that char array though13:59
lardmanI can't understand why the _ogg_stack1_post and _ogg_stack1_ptr =17 rather than =17+2662414:06
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ulpeis it possible to brick N800 so bad it won't even power anymore...?14:26
lardmanulpe: if you screw up the kernel you may not be able to charge14:27
ulpeis that so?14:27
lardmanulpe: then you'd need to get a charged battery from somewhere and try flashing again14:27
lardmanulpe: I think so, though I don't know for sure14:27
Veggenit's generally low-risk, tho.14:27
lardmanthe only way you'd screw it up is when you're flashing, and then you should have a charged battery so you can try again, etc.14:28
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ulpedammit. I was messing around with the ModifyingRootImage-article in maemo-wiki and accidently booted after mounting jffs2 image.14:32
ulpeafter this it stopped doesn't even power up14:32
ulpebattery should be full, as I've been charging it for a while already14:32
jkyroanybody know what's wrong with python2.5?14:33
ulpeI tried to reflash, but flasher won't find the device at all14:33
jkyrocan't install due to not finding a lib14:33
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jkyrolibffi4 to be exact, is this chinook stuff?14:37
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syntuxanyone tried to upgrade N800 to the latest os ?14:38
flip^as in some beta os, or just the latest official flash upgrade?14:38
syntuxthe latest official flash upgrade14:38
flip^it was the first thing i did when i got it :)14:39
syntuxThere is a new upgrade was released yesterday 2007-10-02 15:29:43 EEST.14:39
syntuxyeah, I'm trying to upgrade but it's not working for reason or another.14:40
ulpei thought the only difference is the memory card bug being fixed14:40
syntuxulpe, which is good14:41
flip^which bug is that?14:41
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syntuxany news about skype bug ?14:43
syntuxor is it maemo bug ?14:44
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ulpeI think I managed to kill this n800...I tried with different batteries, waiting, charging, hitting the device on desk...(not really:) and nothing wakes it up :/14:55
SniZ|workhi, i try flash my n770 to hacker edition, but it cant start flash, my windows wanna some drivers for Nokia 770 (update mode)14:56
SniZ|workwhat i must do? i download and install program tu update....14:56
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SniZ|work<SniZ|work> hi, i try flash my n770 to hacker edition, but it cant start flash, my windows wanna some drivers for Nokia 770 (update mode)15:00
SniZ|work<SniZ|work> what i must do? i download and install program tu update....15:00
solmumahaSniZ|work: did you press and hold home when you powered it on?15:00
SniZ|workit display usb logo15:00
SniZ|workand do nothing15:00
SniZ|workbut my system wanna some drivers for "Nokia 770 (update mode)"15:00
solmumahaand you have installed the nokia internet tablet update wizard and it's searching for a device at that point?15:01
SniZ|workyes , i install15:01
SniZ|workbut when i connect and try to boot 770 to flash mode, my windows wanna drivers15:01
solmumahaand can't automatically install them?15:03
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SniZ|workwhat drivers i must install?15:03
SniZ|workit say "cant found drivers for this device" or something..15:03
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solmumahahave you attached it in a non update mode?15:05
solmumahamaybe it can install those drivers then15:05
SniZ|workhm.... drivers are in "C:\Program Files\Nokia\Connectivity Cable Driver" folder.....15:05
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SniZ|workor no?15:05
SniZ|workMy Nokia 770 starts correctly in Update Mode but windows does not found a driver for it (Nokia 770 Update Mode).15:07
SniZ|workcan you help me?15:11
edistarSniZ|work: what windows do you have?15:11
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edistarSniZ|work: wow, as a home pc?15:11
SniZ|workno, on work ^)15:11
edistarSniZ|work: have you ever managed to connect your nokia to pc?15:11
edistarSniZ|work: is the driver for win2k3?15:12
SniZ|workdriver for what?15:12
edistarSniZ|work: usb driver for nokia15:12
edistarbut it should work without...15:12
SniZ|worki think i have somethig15:12
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edistarSniZ|work: btw, I flashed my 770 to OS2007 yesterday from linux and it's really cool15:13
SniZ|worki know15:13
edistarSniZ|work: try to delete the nokia device in your device manager in windows and reconnect15:14
SniZ|worki must install "Nokia BB5 ADL Loader"?15:14
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SniZ|workedistar, hm, i must install some drivers for "Nokia 770 Update Mode"15:15
edistarSniZ|work: ok15:15
edistarSniZ|work: try15:15
SniZ|workmy windows found it....15:15
edistarI don't have win.. not for 4 years now :)15:15
SniZ|workit cant be installed :(15:18
SniZ|workedistar, what must be fouded when you connect 770?15:19
lardmanSniZ|work: I've never been able to get the Windows updater to work15:20
SniZ|worki forgot :)15:20
SniZ|worklardman i must eject mmc card?15:21
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lardmanTo avoid it being mounted as mass storage and connected to flash instead? No idea15:21
gla55_the windows flasher included instructions, no?15:23
gla55_"make sure device is switched off and charger disconnected, connect with usb, press and hold the home key on device, release the home key when a usb logo appears in the upper right cornet"15:25
gla55_about that is whats in the graphical windows flasher15:25
lardmanYou might try switching the machine off (make sure external power is not connected), then plug into usb, then attach external power15:26
gla55_dunno how that would help15:26
gla55_but don't use usb hub15:26
lardmanmore reliable method than holding the home key in my experience15:26
SniZ|worki know15:27
SniZ|worki do it15:27
lardmanwhat happens under Linux if you don't run the flasher tool? Does the tablet just sit there waiting or does it time out and boot eventually?15:27
SniZ|worki have no linux on work...15:28
lardmangeneral question15:28
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lardmanIf I boot Linux I can get the flasher to work, with WinXP on the same usb port it won't. Wondering if it's timing out15:28
SniZ|workmy windows WANNA INSTALL drivers for device called "Nokia 770 Update Mode"15:29
lardmanI should restate that, with Linux it *does* work, never a problem15:29
lardmanyes, that's normal15:29
SniZ|workcan 2007 hacker edition support a2dp?15:30
lardmanI can't see why not15:31
edistar_my Program manager doesn't start properly anymore, any tips?15:32
mbufedistar, is it a pun?15:35
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mbufedistar_, is it a pun?15:35
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edistar_mbuf: well, wasn't intented :P15:39
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lardmanedistar_: run syslogd and see if it has anything to say15:41
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edistar_lardman: thx, I will15:44
lardmanedistar_: or, and even easier, try running the binary from the command line and see what it outputs to stderr15:45
edistar_btw, ssh to my nokia is somehow lagging 5 mins or so... anyone have that issue?15:49
lardmansometimes I need to do something on the Nokia (e.g. refresh the news reader) to get ssh to wake up15:50
lardmannot sure if it's the network going to sleep or the processor15:51
edistar_lardman: not very handy..15:51
edistar_well, doesn't work somehow15:51
edistar_load average 2.1 ;)15:52
lardmansomeone created an applet that repeatedly pings google when plugged into external power, that should fix it15:52
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edistar_bot OS2007 is much nicer, why isn't there any update for OS2006 to be just as good?15:53
edistar_e.g. bluetooth data transfer even works15:53
lardmanthere's the hacker edition for the 77015:53
edistar_lardman: thats what I am running15:54
lardmanah, okay15:54
edistar_is it normal that load is around 2 all the time?15:54
lardmanno idea, sorry15:54
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janii dont think so..15:56
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janisomething is hogging resources if  load avg > 115:57
edistarjani: ok15:58
janialso, yeah that ssh thing is pain in the arse.15:58
edistarjani: dropbear and openssh have the problem or only dropbear?15:58
janii think i have openssh on the device and it does the same. its not that bad thou ..15:59
edistarjani: ok, thx15:59
lardmanwould the load average be affected by dyntick?15:59
edistarwhats that?16:00
janiif you transfer something to the device via ssh, that will eat the cpu16:00
janieg, scp ..16:00
janior am i talking about different issues..16:00
edistarjani: my sparc chokes on scp aswell, so I wouldn't dream of torturing my 770 with that :P16:00
janidamn i need coffee16:00
janiedistar: blowfish is your friend, its less exhausting then the rest of the crypto stuff..16:01
edistarjani: ah, brilliant16:02
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janiused to have some old sparcs as webservers long ago..  they would choke on default settings but managed to stay alive with blowfish  =)16:03
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edistarmy webserver is an ultra1016:03
edistarI really like it :)16:03
janiyep. i had 5, well, i didnt but the company did where i worked.16:03
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edistarthey are not really servers.. but still, they work fine16:04
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janiit took few hd crashes and 2 complete blowouts to convince the phb to actually convince to change those 5 ultras to single intel box.16:04
edistarhaha, annoying16:05
janiand even then, only good reason was that we couldnt find any spare parts anymore! :D16:05
edistardid you split services?16:05
janidepends what you mean..16:06
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edistarjani: on one server database, on the other webserver etc16:06
janiinitially those 5 where just web frontends offering some php/image/static pages with dns roundrobin in front of them.16:06
janithose 5 where only for web .. db was handled by other dept so it was alot better..16:07
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edistarthen of course it's much easier to have one intel box;)16:08
edistara sun fire :P16:08
janii think fire's wherent out that time..16:09
janinetra t1's where replaced by fires ?16:09
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edistardon't know16:10
janii have a feeling like that.16:10
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edistarI have a feeling that my nokia is completely overloaded16:16
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edistarwhat is telepathy-gabbl?16:17
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edistarit's eating up my resources16:19
janiits jabber connection manager afaik16:20
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edistarpp: hello16:23
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edistarload average 0.02 :)16:24
edistarstupid jabber16:24
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edistarwhat is the name of the binary of the program manager?16:29
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ArgirisNokia n800 support GSM networks?16:32
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ArgirisSo it isn't three band?16:33
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pakos_edistar: /usr/bin/osso-application-installer (my guess)16:34
Tak|workmy 770 (latest 2007HE) keeps getting the idea that it's plugged in at random times, when it isn't, and then that screws up the power management16:34
inzArgiris, wlan and bluetooth only16:34
Tak|workis there a way I can tell it to think it's been unplugged?16:34
ArgirisAny mobile phone with maemo linux with GSM support?16:35
inzArgiris, nope16:35
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pakos_Argiris: n800 is not a phone16:35
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ArgirisAny mobile phone with linux  with GSM and wifi support?16:36
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inzArgiris, FIC Neo1973 ;)16:36
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edistarI have a ncurses-bin installed which takes up 0b, I am a bit confused... it tells me I shouldn't deinstall as it is potentially dangerous and a apt-get upgrade tells me ncurses-bin ( a new version) will overwrite /usr/bin/clear and then breaks off16:39
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Tak|workanyone?  a way to set the state to "not charging" ?16:41
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edistarcan anyone help me?
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Tak|work"Need to get 0B/140kB of archives" means the package is already downloaded16:43
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Tak|workapt-get upgrade on the device isn't recommended afaik, though16:43
edistarTak|work: how should you upgrade then?16:44
inzYour package db seems to be somewhat b0rken16:44
inzedistar, by reflashing16:44
edistarinz: not seriously?16:44
Tak|workedistar: through the package manager, for normal packages16:44
edistarapt-get upgrade just updates packages..16:45
inzedistar, it depends on what you want to upgrade16:45
edistarinz: ok..16:45
edistarjust wanted to update a few packages16:45
inzedistar, upgrading system packages is not officially supported (and often breaks things)16:45
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edistarinz: lovely.. now how to get everything to work again..16:46
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inzedistar, cannot really tell, reflash will help at least ;)16:46
Tak|workedistar: the package manager only affects packages in the user section - apt-get upgrade affects all packages (libs, etc)16:47
edistarall these programs I installed.. is there a way to mark them and install them all at once?16:47
inzedistar, your dpkg-database seems to be broken in some ways at least16:47
inzedistar, some people have at least tried some dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections, but I've no experience from using such16:48
edistarinz: ok, thx16:48
edistarthe application-installer doesn't support this, does it?16:48
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inzit doesn't16:49
edistarwell, I'll reflash then :(16:49
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snuffelsIs there a way to change to keyboard layout for kbdd on N770?16:56
snuffelsThere is only a app for IT 200716:56
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timelesshi inz?17:19
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inzhi timeless17:21
timelesswhen last we talked you were on vacation?17:22
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lardmanIs it just me, or do other people have problems using videocentre when they click on the service catalogue?17:26
lardmanIf I click install, I get a text file (with extension vcfg) containing an url and other bits and bobs, presumably this should have been handled by the videocentre to add a feed17:27
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timelesshow are things back at work?17:34
* timeless is watching the sun set on vacation17:34
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Jaffalardman: I haven't got to the point yet in my VideoCenter feed maker of checking the MIME type, but I'd guess at it being a MIME type issue17:35
lardmanJaffa: Yep, that Service Catalogue page is screwed up too - if I click on the info button I get info about a Reuters feed17:37
timelesswhat is videocenter?17:38
inztimeless, business as usual, nothing happens ;)17:38
timelesslardman: i have a few minutes before tuesday, is it worth my time?17:39
lardmantimeless: looks like it will be cool - watch online video/tv, video podcast sort of things, but not much on there atm17:40
lardmanand a bit of a steep learning curve to work out what it actually does17:41
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sp3000is that miro for tablets or something more complicated17:41
tmccraryIs there a voice recorder application for the n770?17:41
Veggenapropos - anyone got MythTV integration done? What does MaemoMyth give you?17:41
lardmansp3000: no idea, never used any of these sorts of things17:42
Veggenfor now, I've settled with a transcode-job on mythtv that you can tick off, that stores a transcoded version in a directory that I17:42
Veggen've made web-accessible.17:42
sp3000looks like the former, roughly17:42
lardmanWould be good if someone could collate a list of (what I presume need to be) RSS feeds17:42
lardmanI guess that's what the Nokia site will do in the end17:43
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* lardman looks forwards to watching the Rugby/cricket on his Nxxx 17:43
guardianwill there be an OS release corresponding to chinook on the N800 ?17:43
guardianor is it for tablet+1 ?17:44
pupnikVeggen unfortunately knots player is down17:44
timelessthere's an audio recorder somewhere17:44
lardmanguardian: There is supposed to be one, probably a little while after the new tablet release17:44
guardianthx for the info :)17:44
lardmanthat's what I would do anyway, but they may be simultaneous if the changes are under the skin only17:45
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* Tak|work so unexcited about the rumored slideout kb on tablet+117:45
JaffaVeggen/lardman: I'm working on a video archive -> on-demand transcoder (including RSS feeds and MythTV/Freevo metadata) at the moment.17:46
timelessjaffa: atom? :)17:47
lardmanJaffa: cool17:47
Jaffatimeless: no reason why not ;-)17:47
JaffaMore info here:
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VeggenJaffa: mmmh, look forward to it :)17:49
lardmanJaffa: Can the video center [sic] ;) take any RSS and just pull out the video stuff (/me is looking at the BBC website)17:49
tmccraryis mistral free non-free still a valid repo?17:51
tmccraryfor an n77017:51
Jaffalardman: NAFAIK, but I've no real idea. And, of course, it has to be a feed which the tablet can play17:51
lardmantmccrary: yes, choose the right release tho17:52
pupnikslideout keyboard = frickin enough buttons on rhs17:53
pupniksolmumaha you around?  your transcoding media player url is down17:54
JaffaYeah, he had a HD crash.17:55
lardmanI tried to add this feed: from this page: and the player complains about the playlist17:55
tmccrarylardman: Thanks for the info. I think there is a bug in the application manager software for my n770. I enterred the repo is correctly and it go mangled by the software for some reason17:55
tmccraryIt worked the second time though17:55
lardmangood good17:56
pupnikok Jaffa i forgot whether you were aware of his efforts17:56
Tak|workpupnik: What was the trick to getting dgen working?17:58
pupnikdon't remember17:58
Tak|workit would crash for me right after "SEGA"17:59
pupnikyeah i remember that17:59
Tak|workor maybe it only happens on certain roms - I didn't try phantasy star II17:59
pupnikwell it depends on the rom17:59
pupnikcrashes on sonic17:59
pupniki just put up the screenshot to hopefully prod some interest18:00
pupnikgenesis RPGs are not so great imo18:00
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Tak|workyeah, snes got all the good rpgs from that era18:00
Tak|workaha - sonic was the one I was really working for18:00
pupnikman i actually dreamt about getting a new nokia tablet and the dpad sucked18:01
pupniki'm being a bit obsessive18:02
pupnikhave you heard of the Craigulator, Tak|work ?18:02
pupnika bizarre rumour from the gp2x boards that this guy is working on a new linux based handheld18:04
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* ttuttle 's N770 is on the Fedex truck for delivery to the repair center...18:07
pupniki bet it won't ...?18:08
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Tak|workI'll Believe It When I See It :-P18:09
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timelesshave a good weekend all18:13
pupnikit's wednesday18:13
pupnikbut same to you :)18:13
timelessi'm still on vacation18:20
timelessbut more holy days start tonight. so thus ends my tech week18:20
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pupnikit is a holiday today i see18:22
pupnikall the stores are closed here18:22
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Blacksitoxhi :)18:25
* Tak|work ignorant of fancy !american holidays18:25
Mikhoso... what is SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin? I'd like to reflash my 770 but the flasher tutorials are talking about jffs2 files18:27
ttuttleMikho: You can do ./flasher -F SU-18... -f18:28
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Mikhoit's a fiasco image?18:29
Tak|workoh! that reminds me, is there something special I need to do in an SDL app to detect thumbpresses as well as taps in 2007HE?18:30
Tak|workit seems to differentiate much more strictly between a tap and a thumbpress than os2006 or 2007(on n800) do18:30
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MikhoI wonder if the --enable-usb-host-mode switch works...18:33
zoranshould for 77018:33
MikhoI've been shedding blood and bile trying to make the device recognize my usb gadget18:34
zoranhm, usb port has no power, you know18:34
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zoranyou have to buy powered usb hub18:34
MikhoI do know that. That's why I have a modified usb cable18:35
zoranah, the one with 3 hands!18:35
MikhoLook behind you! A three headed usb-cable!18:36
zoranis is shiped with usb hdd's18:36
zoran2,5 ones18:37
Mikhowhat should I answer to password after "sudo /usr/bin/gainroot"?18:43
flip^rootme iirc18:43
Mikhooh, if I wrote /usr/sbin/gainroot it didn't even ask18:44
flip^yeah, actually, that's true18:44
zoranyes, you change option not to18:44
lardmansudo gainroot should just work18:44
lardmanif not you need to enable r&d mode with the flasher18:44
flip^though its still worth using passwd to change the root password once you've got root, just for the sake of it :)18:44
Mikhohow do I enable just plain sudo?18:44
flip^alias sudo to sudo gainroot? :)18:45
zoranin gainroot MODE=enabled18:45
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zoranit is a file in etc18:45
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Mikhowhat is a file in etc?18:47
flip^ /etc is a directory18:47
flip^and the files in it tend to contain configuration settings for things18:47
flip^presumably there's one in there for gainroot18:47
Mikhook, but I can't find the file for gainroot18:47
zoranin some subdirectory18:48
flip^after you've typed sudo gainroot, type  cd /etc    and then  ls -al18:48
zorancannot recall which one18:48
flip^or maybe ls -a18:48
Mikhojust doing it...18:48
Mikhobut still can't find18:48
lardmanto edit the sudo settings18:49
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lardmansudo allows certain users to run certain binaries as another user18:49
Mikhoyes, but I don't know how to configure sudo, and don't know how to use vi18:49
lardmanWhat do you want to do?18:50
zoransome people, me included, just hate sudo18:50
MikhoI'd like to run commands as a root without going super-user18:50
zoranroot is a superuser18:50
zoranvi is all present, so learn it18:51
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* flip^ hugs nano18:51
zoranI remember file that makes sudo privs on 77018:51
Mikhobut it's easier to write "sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/" than "sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot" and "cd <somewhere>" and "cp sources.list /etc/apt/"18:51
MikhoI have an attitude problem against vi18:52
lardmanuse visudo to allow you to run cp as root them18:52
zoranor su root -c "whatever"18:52
Mikhobut I don't know what to write to sudoers to give me rights to do anything with the proper password18:53
Mikhothat's what I'm trying to find out here18:53
Tak|workiirc visudo will actually use whatever editor you have configured18:54
zoran770 is not set as regular distros18:54
Mikhoah, forget it. sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot will do for now18:55
zoranif you have gainroot in your path...18:55
zoransudo gainroot18:55
zoranor make alias for that18:55
Tak|worklol - Suga!18:56
Tak|workI bought a gun the other day from Sako, it's small, it's cute, it fits right in my pocket!18:56
zoranthat sudo made me vary nervous18:56
Jaffapupnik: yeah, I was playing with it last night - it's very cool18:57
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Mikhowoohoo! It works! I've actually plugged something to an usb port!18:57
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_Monkeyi think tv is the mind killer - it is the little death18:57
zoran_Monkey is my hero18:58
* Tak|work agree with _Monkey 18:58
zoranlet's try: tv18:58
* Mikho hugs everybody, even people who had nothing to do with solving the problem18:58
* Tak|work will face his TV, let it flow over him and through him18:58
zoranchick with tv on the breasts?18:58
VeggenMiko: wait a sec, I'll give you right sudo line.18:58
Veggenuser ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL18:59
Veggenthat will give you the right to sudo anything.18:59
Mikhoand it won't ask for password?19:00
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zoranMikho, it is fine to have less privs sometimes19:01
Mikhoargh, it doesn't have nano/pico installed19:01
zorannano is in ports19:01
Mikhozoran, I know, but this will do for development purposes19:01
zoranpico could be the part of pine19:01
zoranthere is even zile19:01
zoranalike emacs19:02
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MikhoI feel I've gained enough experience for a level. Maybe I should rest19:03
zorannot in peace, of course19:03
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Mikhohmm, what's the difference between nano and pico?19:04
Tak|workI wonder if you'll get a feat?19:04
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Mikhoindeed :)19:05
zoranvi is fine19:05
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zorantehre is some vim port, for those who care19:06
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zoranMikho, what would be the purpose of devel?19:11
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zoranon 770?19:16
zoranusb keyboard?19:16
Mikhoa wireless rfid reader19:18
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Mikhonow how do I type ctrl-x, y...19:24
MikhoI can input a single ctrl character after which the keyboard disappears19:24
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Mikhoand if I click the screen again to make the keyboard come up, the dialog that came after ctrl-x vanishes19:25
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zoranMikho, what wterm do you have?19:28
zorank, no diff probably19:29
zoranput a pen on the title part of a window19:29
zoranyou will have a menu there19:30
zoransomewhere down is something like:19:30
zoransend <ctrl> to something?19:30
MikhoI can input a single ctrl character after which the keyboard disappears19:31
zoranor terminal something19:31
Mikhoand if I click the screen again to make the keyboard come up, the dialog that came after ctrl-x vanishes19:31
zorank, I know that19:31
pupnik"Marching to another war... on thin air."19:31
zoranlet's do ti again19:31
zoranhave a keyboard on19:31
Mikhobefore I flashed the device, I had a separate toolbar in the right of the window that had several ctrl keypresses19:32
zoranjust push the button on the left side, middle one19:32
Mikhook, nano is asking "save modified buffer?"19:32
zoranany hint?19:32
zoranlower part of the screen19:33
zoranor upper19:33
Mikhooh, actually a HUGE keyboard popped up19:33
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Guest6383ne good apps for te n770?19:34
zoranI thought you wanted to send <ctrl> letter to the process19:34
Mikhoyes, I'd like to save the modified sudoers file19:35
Guest6383i can use cat > in xtermial emulator19:35
Mikhobut for that, I need ctrl-x, y and enter19:35
zoranMikho, what is nano way to save the file?19:35
zorantype once title bar19:35
zoranhave a menu there?19:35
zorandown is terminal send or similar19:36
zoranit has few options19:36
zoranone of them is sned <ctrl> letter to the process19:36
zorantype on that option and them on "x" on the virtual keyboard19:36
Mikhothen nano says "Save modified buffer? Y/N" and I'm supposed to press y, but can't find a way to do that19:38
zoran"y" on a keyboard19:38
Guest6383does ne one have a terminal for n770 ?19:38
Mikhoyes, but there's no keyboard on the screen, and the question disappears if I touch the screen19:39
zorandon't touch the screen19:39
zoranjust the keyboard and the bar19:39
Mikhothen how do I type y?19:39
zoranon the lower part of the screen, aka keyboard19:39
Mikhothere's no keyboard visible...19:40
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zoranopen it with middle button19:40
zoranhow it disappeared?19:40
zorandid you make something else?19:40
Mikhoit disappeared after I answered x on the ctrl question19:40
zoranshould not19:41
Mikhoactually a keyboard pops up if I press middle, and it seems to accept the y19:41
zoranit is not a question19:41
Mikhobut now I need enter19:41
zoranyou do not answer a question on the middle of the screen19:41
zoranyou first type on the bar19:41
zoransend ctrl to the proc19:42
zoranpopups the window19:42
zoranyou DON"T type there19:42
zoranjust on the keyboard "x"19:42
zorankeyboard have to stay up19:42
Mikhoyes, I hit keyboard X after which the popup and the keyboard disappears19:42
guardianare there hildon-input-method-framework debs for chinook ??? i can't find them19:42
zorank, nice to spend a time with you folks!19:43
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Guest6383nayone have ne good apps for this ?19:44
Tak|workGuest6383: http://downloads.maemo.org19:44
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MikhoI've spent half an hour trying to exit from nano while saving changes19:46
Mikhothis is ridiculous19:46
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Guest6383wuts nano ?19:47
Argirisis motorola a1200 play full screen videos?19:48
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timo3amiga 1200=19:49
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gla55_i wonder what moto a1200 has to do with maemo?19:49
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Mikhoooh, actually now that I restarted xterm, it transmogrified into a version that has the ctrl key panel visible19:51
Mikhoand the keyboard doesn't disappear either after the ctrl popup19:53
Argiriswell i Can not find a developers irc channel about the linux distro that motorola uses19:57
gla55_you'll be lucky to find any info anywhere about it19:59
gla55_making that it runs linux more of a curiosity, rather than anything practical20:00
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MikhoI have the feeling people have difficult time understanding my questions today20:02
shaprArgiris: You could buy a Nokia N800 :-)20:03
MikhoFor the whole day I've been receiving answers to different questions that I have been asking20:03
ArgirisI want n800 but here in greece we have only gsm20:03
shaprArgiris: The N800 isn't a phone, so if your phone has bluetooth and your provider has a data offer, you'll be able to use it.20:04
gla55_Argiris: buy some bt equipped cheap phone and n80020:04
gla55_moto a1200 is not anything like n80020:05
ArgirisI know.I want gsm&wifi in the same device(I don't wand 10 devices)20:05
gla55_buy some iphone or uiq or s60 or windowmobile device then20:06
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gla55_or neo1973 (do they have the gsm+wifi version out?)20:06
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shaprIf the neo1973 gsm+wifi is out, I want one!20:06
Argirisno.I wan't linux embed.Is a1200 programmable(and not only in java dev)?20:07
gla55_but a1200 isn't really even a smartphone(due to locking the user out of the linux side)20:07
pleemansArgiris: check #openezx20:07
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gla55_openmoko (neo1973) or greenphone are the only choices for you then really realistically20:07
gla55_if you want linux, gsm and the linux to be exposed20:08
Argirisyea but I need a good mobile in the next 2 weeks!!!I can't wait.Is gphone under development???or gphone is just a fake joke?20:09
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gla55_greenphone is quite real, but it's not really a consumer product20:11
gla55_what is the reason you want it to run linux?20:11
gla55_there really isn't a lot of linux phones out there, and even fewer that would be good buys or practical20:12
Argirisdeveloping fun :)  (I love developing java in mobiles but when I learned that are mobile with linux .......Yeehaaa)20:13
gla55_some older windows mobiles can be flashed with some linux.. but wouldn't call it practical way of getting a phone20:14
gla55_uiq+ personal java is a more practical route if you want something more than j2me..20:15
Tak|workI'm with Argiris - if there were a linux-based cdma phone, I'd buy it right now20:16
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b0unc3Neo1973 seems a good linux phone ... but it is still in 'developer prewiev'..20:18
* Tak|work grumbles about stupid US cell networks20:19
gla55_moto isn't exposing linux in it's phones that run it so thats unlikely route for a hacker friendly linux phone to appear20:19
gla55_i don't dig neo1973's looks /form factor, or specs for that matter20:20
* gla55_ is more of a practical guy than "it runs linux"20:20
pupnikMicrosoft made my life hell for too many years for me to ever forgive them.20:21
Atariiquick question, is there a clock taskbar app for IT2006?20:22
* Argiris always loves to create in a platform and the same platform in the same time20:22
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gla55_pupnik: you were porting dosbox right? how fresh games were you running?  like, any chance of '94 turn based game to be playable?20:24
Tak|workheh, "it runs linux" is what makes a device practical20:25
Tak|work(for me)20:25
pupnikyou can get equivalent of an 8mhz 286 with vga and sound blaster20:25
pupnikmaybe 10-14 mhz on a n800 - i don't have one20:25
b0unc3Atarii: yes.. there is a statusbar plugin..20:25
pupnikgla55_: i have identified the cvs change that breaks ega chained mode emulation on nokia/ARM - but i don't understand enough to find the problem20:26
pupnikthe dosbox gurus are looking at it though - it's a huge commit though - large rewrite20:27
pupnikAtarii: osso-statusbar-cpu i think - shows cpu load and time20:29
Atariithanks b0unc3 and pupnik20:31
Atariiis there any way to unpack a released theme? so i can change the icons in it?20:32
pupnikdpkg -X <package>.deb .   or on some systems dpkg-dev is required20:32
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|RTak|work : Freedom is practical! Cheers to that :-)20:41
wumpusgla55_: yes, like transport tycoon has been ported to the n80020:43
gla55_wumpus: openttd yes, but it's a port not emulation20:44
gla55_if there were a port of master of magic i wouldn't be intrested in dosbox running '94 games20:44
wumpusI don't think you can run an actual emulator on it20:46
wumpusit would have to really emulate the instructions instead of what dosbox does, provide a vm20:47
Argiris   .Now I am confused.Here is it the source code of moto a1200?20:49
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alteregoGetting a lot of "unsupported syscalls" from the beta SDK ..20:51
ArgirisCan I hack the n800 and have it GSM support???Where can I find hardware specification for n800 (electronic diagrams)20:53
gla55_no you can't20:55
gla55_wumpus: dosbox does provice cpu emulation, thus it's ability to run on other than x86 devices..20:56
Argirisgla55_ ,You are right.It will be "feng sui" damaged20:57
gla55_Argiris: just buy a smallish bt phone and glue it to the n80020:57
wumpusArgiris: unless you find a usb device that does gsm20:57
wumpusor yeah, bt of course20:57
Argirisbt? british telecoms?20:58
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Tak|worksome kind of bluetooth device that does gsm...that sounds faintly familiar20:58
Argirisand why connect them with bluetooth and not just speaking with the phone?20:59
gla55_of course that would probably be more preferable21:00
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alteregoYou want to make your N800 use a GSM connection because you want to use it as a phone?21:07
alteregoWhy don't you just use a phone?21:07
|Rget an OpenMoko dude ;)21:07
alteregoI'd be interested to know how easy they are to hack.21:08
gla55_openmokos should be rather easy to hack.. thats the whole point of the project21:08
gla55_to have everything open source21:08
alteregoWell, I was thinking about the hardware. I wonder how easy it would be to flash it with something else.21:09
alteregoI guess depending on internal storage space it might not really be necessary.21:10
alteregoIt looks kind of rubbish to me.21:10
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pupnikNOKIA, the world's largest mobile phone maker, said it would buy US navigation21:13
pupniksoftware maker Navteq for around $US8.1 billion21:13
Tak|work($7.4 billion canadian)21:13
pupniksnrk :)21:13
pupnikit feels a little odd to me that a software company making basically one app... could be worth 8.1 bil21:14
lardmanthey also own the maps21:15
lardmanone of only ~2 companies who do that stuff I think21:15
lardmanat least I think so....21:16
pupnikdo you use a map/navigator?21:18
lardmanonly maemo mapper occasionally21:18
pupnikthose maps must cost money to make also21:19
lardmangoogle pays the money... :)21:19
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pupnikso navigation-specific metadata is missing?  like "second lane from right is the exit to brooklyn, rightmost lane is the rest stop"21:20
lardmanthey are simply bitmaps, no road data at all, the navigation is again done from a google online service iirc21:21
lardmanthe openstreetmap data is vector with metadata I think21:21
lardmanask onion about that21:21
gla55_it's the rights to the data etc that matter..21:26
gla55_tomtom is looking to buy the other big map data company21:26
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pupnikdoes anybody with some experience with byte-order and alignment issues want to come into dosbox to talk with Harekiet?22:15
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jpt9any chance anyone could compile gnu ed for the nokia?22:35
jpt9it should only take like 5 minutes; it's incredibly tiny.22:35
jpt9the source is here:22:35
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pupnikin a bit jpt922:39
jpt9no need to hurry.22:39
jpt9amazingly, ed 0.8 was made *this August*.  as in 2007.22:39
Tak|workdid mud-builder ever achieve fruition?22:39
* flip^ umms and errs more over buying a bt kb... don't really have 70 quid spare right now...22:40
* jpt9 wishes someone made a PS/2 or USB keyboard to BT adapter.22:40
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gla55_would probably cost almost as much as a bt kb22:42
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GeneralAntillesIt's odd that nobody has, jpt9.22:49
GeneralAntillesThough, I suppose, power might be an issue22:49
jpt9someone used to make a PS/2 to IR one for Palms.22:49
gla55_to some extent.. and the real market would be quite small22:49
GeneralAntillesTrue enough.22:50
jpt9how about people who are too cheap to buy a BT kbd?22:50
jpt9or have some old weird split/ergonomic keyboard that they want to be wireless?22:50
gla55_bt->serial things tend to cost so much that they're mostly pointless for converting serial devices to bt22:50
GeneralAntillesNot enough of those for economies of scale to kick in.22:50
GeneralAntillesSynergy works well enough when I'm at home. I just wish it weren't such a pain to toggle the pointer on and off.22:51
gla55_jpt9: if you're too cheap to buy a bt keyboard at around 70 euros(apples seems to be 78 here) you're unlikely to buy an adapter for say, 4022:52
gla55_on desktop you can get rf non-bt keyboards quite cheap22:53
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Atariidamn, having problems installing UKMP23:02
pupnikpupnik's theme song from 1993..
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konttoriAtarii: what kind of probs23:09
konttoriI'm pretty sure I can help you with it23:09
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Atariikonttori well it opens then closes again, and through xterm its says the error message about 'blah blah blah ImportError: No module named PIL'23:14
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konttoriahh... you have python 2.4?23:15
Atariisee thats the prob ive googled and found that to be the source of the prob, python, but i hav 2.5 installed23:16
Atariijust realised ir was your comments i was reading lol23:16
konttoriHmm.. then you need to have the *latest* python 2.5 ;)23:16
Atariiim pretty sure i have, i got it from the maemo python webpage23:16
konttoriSo, open application manager and press the update button.23:16
Atariikk ill try that23:17
Atariiyea like 1 hour ago23:17
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konttorithen, you should definately have PIL in it23:17
Atariiim reloaded after a flash23:17
konttorihmm... can you try out the ukmp 1.7 alpha?23:17
Atariionly have 2 applications installed: python2.5-runtime 0.4-8 and mediacenter 1.7023:18
zyxulnagathe wireless driver corrupts random bytes in monitor mode23:18
Atariiand xterm23:18
konttorihmm... sounds pretty odd then. So, you have the 1.7 alpha, but it still won't use pil.23:18
konttorican you try the 1.6 series?
Atariii had it working before, just cant get it to work after i reflashed23:19
zyxulnagaI got some debugging data and how to reproduce the problem if anyone is in charge in here for the wireless blob23:19
Atariiill try it23:19
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Atariikonttori, still doesnt work but slightly different error msg23:22
konttorikewl ;)23:22
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Atariio nope still the name, do u think its a prob with python?23:23
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konttorisounds so very odd.23:23
konttorican you open xterm23:23
konttoritype python23:23
konttoritype: import PIL23:24
konttorinotice the capitals23:24
AtariiNo module named PIl23:24
AtariiPython 2.5 (r25:10186, Feb 22 2007, 16:28:13)23:25
konttoriSo, it seems like the current python does not include PIL.23:26
konttoriSo odd.23:26
jpt9pupnik: thanks.  it works perfectly.23:26
jpt9now... i just wish I hadn't let my 770's battery die, as I'd love to play with it over dinner...23:26
konttoristill, it says  on:
konttorithat they do include PIL23:27
konttoriI have to test that out tomorrow on my n800.23:27
konttoriI'll uninstall python and reinstall it.23:27
Atariiis there an older build of python which will work?23:27
konttoriI think they only provide the latest and greatest23:27
luck^Atarii, I think this problem is related with repositories listed in your N80023:28
konttoriDid you install from:
konttorithought as much.23:28
Atariibase then installer23:28
Atariiu oh23:29
Atariiis that bad?23:29
konttorinope. that's the way to go23:29
konttoriI'll check it out tomorrow. I'll then release alpha3 if needed.23:29
konttoriif you wan't to be notified, write me an email to urho.konttori@gmail.com23:29
Atariii should be doing work anyways, but then heroes is on, and my 770 is so addictive23:30
konttoriI'll then let you know once it's working23:30
Atariikk will do thanks23:30
konttorik later23:30
konttorinight. I'm off to bed now23:30
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sp3000hrm, is presence expected to interact annoyingly wrt the packet data timeout / wlan autoscan23:36
sp3000since configuring a gtalk acct it seems to want to drain my phone's battery perpetually with no apps open23:37
sp3000everyone seems to be set at 10min23:37
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renatofilho_hi guys, is possible using libosso or another lib or flag, know if the application is running on n800 or 770 HE?23:41
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Tb0n3what possible improvements could I get by using 2007he?23:57
pupnika nicer click sound when tapping screen23:58

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