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| Tb0n3r | root password | 00:03 |
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| Tb0n3r | :( | 00:03 |
| b0unc3 | Tb0n3r: rootme | 00:03 |
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| _Monkey | rootme is the default pw? | 00:03 |
| Tb0n3r | ah | 00:03 |
| Tb0n3r | sorry, try again | 00:04 |
| satd | my n770 is slow all of sudden | 00:04 |
| satd | i think needs a good throw against the wall... | 00:05 |
| Tb0n3r | rootme isn't the root password | 00:08 |
| Mikho | did you try "ssh root@localhost"? That's the only way I could make it accept the root password | 00:09 |
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| Tb0n3r | cause that gets you to bash | 00:10 |
| Tb0n3r | instead of sh | 00:10 |
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| satd | know any good process killer for n770? | 00:13 |
| flip^ | if you are confident with the command line, become root and use kill - as long as you know what you're killing | 00:15 |
| Tb0n3r | ... now when I try to install openssh server it says "Not found?" | 00:19 |
| Tb0n3r | T_T | 00:19 |
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| Mikho | it doesn't find openssh? | 00:22 |
| Tb0n3r | apparently it was the kernelconcepts that wouldn't work | 00:25 |
| Tb0n3r | nvm, it's messing up, not updating | 00:26 |
| Tb0n3r | and not kernelconcepts, but the non-certified nokia repo | 00:27 |
| Tb0n3r | ... | 00:27 |
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| Tb0n3r | now I'm letting it refresh every time I add a repo so I don't have to break it down again | 00:30 |
| Tb0n3r | crap, shoulda just disabled them instead of deleting them | 00:31 |
| Tb0n3r | oh well | 00:31 |
| Tb0n3r | and it appears oakcourt isn't working | 00:33 |
| Tb0n3r | guess I wouldn't trust a dyndns domain anyhow | 00:35 |
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| Tb0n3r | took a while, but I've got me repositories | 00:43 |
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| satd | installed hamachi | 00:53 |
| satd | and conneted to the network | 00:53 |
| satd | but the n770 media play won't see the media server | 00:53 |
| Tb0n3r | hmm, openssh server/client .install file still says "Not found?" | 00:56 |
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| sp3000 | heh chinhook | 01:02 |
| sp3000 | "ouch" | 01:02 |
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| Blacksitox | http://www.pdastreet.com/articles/2004/10/2004-10-13-Review-palmOne-s.html <- compatible for n800 ? | 01:06 |
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| gla55_ | " or any other infrared-enabled Palm or PDA or smartphone, for that matter)," | 01:08 |
| gla55_ | i would say no | 01:08 |
| Tb0n3r | n800 has iR? | 01:12 |
| flip^ | I think the lack of ir is why its a no ;) | 01:12 |
| Tb0n3r | lulz | 01:13 |
| Tb0n3r | I <3 apt-get | 01:13 |
| Tb0n3r | well, aptitude | 01:13 |
| _Monkey | aptitude is probably the alternative | 01:13 |
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| Tb0n3r | either that was really quick typing or I don't know wtf you're talkin about | 01:14 |
| flip^ | _Monkey is kinda automatic :) | 01:14 |
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| satd | spend 3 days to get hamachi on n770 | 01:17 |
| satd | now i have no use for it.... | 01:17 |
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| Tb0n3r | ok, much much better | 01:18 |
| Tb0n3r | <3 root | 01:18 |
| Tb0n3r | instead of graphical interfaces fuxing I can see wtf is going on and cancel/fix it | 01:19 |
| Tb0n3r | T_T if only there were cli web browsers that showed pictures | 01:19 |
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| Thanatermesis | there seems like a problem when i use the system from a MMC card, if i plug the USB device to a computer, the root FS seems mounted too | 02:40 |
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| Thanatermesis | i have videos on 320x240, but aparently n800 don't resize it for view it on real-fullscreen | 03:18 |
| Thanatermesis | mplayer -fs -zoom and more options not works too | 03:18 |
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| Tb0n3r | god I love this thing | 03:50 |
| Tb0n3r | so, is there anything that will play divx? | 03:52 |
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| Tb0n3 | why is the connection so damn slow over usb? | 03:53 |
| zerojay | Because it's USB. | 03:59 |
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| Tb0n3 | well, my usb multireader reads and writes at 5x the speed the 770 does | 04:09 |
| Tb0n3 | 110 minutes left on a 500MB transfer and it's 1/4 of the way done | 04:09 |
| Tb0n3 | wtfux | 04:09 |
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| Tb0n3 | excuse me 20x faster | 04:28 |
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| Tb0n3 | wait | 04:28 |
| Tb0n3 | 40 | 04:28 |
| Tb0n3 | is this unusual? | 04:28 |
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| Tb0n3 | mplayer does | 04:34 |
| Tb0n3 | :D | 04:34 |
| Tb0n3 | but mplayer plays it horribly | 04:36 |
| Tb0n3 | and canola not at all | 04:36 |
| Tb0n3 | goes down to less than 1 frame per second | 04:37 |
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| shapr | What apt sources can I use for the hacker's edition for the N770? | 05:07 |
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| shapr | Will I be able to use any OS 2007 repositories with the Hacker's Edition on the Nokia 770? | 05:14 |
| shapr | Odd, it's not requesting a DHCP address. | 05:17 |
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| Tb0n3 | oooooo, nice chair I have | 05:49 |
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| Blacksitox | bye | 06:39 |
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| Tb0n3 | :( gnugo won't work right | 06:40 |
| Tb0n3 | :( | 06:40 |
| Tb0n3 | if only | 06:40 |
| Tb0n3 | and if I try to install tar it wants to uninstall busybox | 06:44 |
| Tb0n3 | lul | 06:44 |
| Tb0n3 | it wants to remove EVERYTHING | 06:45 |
| Tb0n3 | :( | 06:45 |
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| Tb0n3 | so, what's this hacker's edition? | 06:52 |
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| grndlvl | anyone know what repo to add to get libffi4 installed? | 06:55 |
| shapr | I do wish I knew. | 06:57 |
| grndlvl | I had it once before but now i dont know | 06:58 |
| grndlvl | I need it to install Python 2.5 | 06:58 |
| shapr | Me too | 06:58 |
| Tb0n3 | christ | 07:01 |
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| Tb0n3 | extracting a tarbal of gnugo | 07:01 |
| Tb0n3 | taking forever with the 770 usb link | 07:02 |
| Tb0n3 | hope it works | 07:02 |
| Tb0n3 | 20 minutes to extract a 3.6MB tarbal | 07:05 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 07:06 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 07:06 |
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| pupnik | Tb0n3: i usally wget files to the 770's mmc then untar them locally | 07:07 |
| pupnik | ^^ grndlvl search there | 07:07 |
| Tb0n3 | ? wget on the 770? or untar onthe 770? | 07:08 |
| Tb0n3 | I tried to find tar on it but in order to install tar I'd have to do everything over | 07:08 |
| Tb0n3 | it wants everything uninstalled | 07:08 |
| grndlvl | thanks guys | 07:11 |
| pupnik | Tb0n3: i can check which ones i have | 07:12 |
| pupnik | Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb | 07:12 |
| pupnik | i don't see where wget came from | 07:13 |
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| Tb0n3 | http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/05/15/acer_5920_3.jpg toy | 07:14 |
| grndlvl | Ok the two repos that says it has libffi4 does not have them | 07:16 |
| grndlvl | its like the file does not exist | 07:20 |
| pupnik | i see libffi4 with apt-cache search | 07:21 |
| pupnik | unfortunately apt-cache search does not show which repository contains a package | 07:21 |
| pupnik | this is a major deficiency in apt, imo | 07:21 |
| Tb0n3 | :) | 07:21 |
| Tb0n3 | just get root and apt-get install libffi4 | 07:22 |
| Tb0n3 | :) | 07:22 |
| Tb0n3 | also, where would I find me sum hacker's edition? | 07:22 |
| grndlvl | yea ok | 07:22 |
| Tb0n3 | do you know how to do this? | 07:22 |
| pupnik | i'd search the ITT forums for 2007he | 07:24 |
| pupnik | 2007he? | 07:24 |
| pupnik | hmm | 07:24 |
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| czr | Tb0n3, the usb speed on 770 is 12 Mbps | 07:28 |
| czr | (aka, the high speed of usb 1.1) | 07:28 |
| czr | also for some reason it is very slow when hitting MMC | 07:28 |
| pupnik | 770 kernel access mmc in compatibility mode | 07:29 |
| pupnik | very slow | 07:29 |
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| czr | is that what they call it? compatibility mode? :-) | 07:29 |
| czr | it's slower than compat mode though :-) | 07:29 |
| pupnik | if you have high speed mmc you can install a hacked kernel | 07:29 |
| czr | newer one? | 07:29 |
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| pupnik | i'm not sure about the status but there's a kernel supporting '52mhz' mode | 07:30 |
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| czr | ah, ok. not really a problem for me though, just wondered about it a year or so back | 07:30 |
| czr | was more suprised to find out about the low speed of usb really. | 07:31 |
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| Tb0n3 | claws-mail won't work for gmail, gmail uses tsl for smtp and claws doesn't have thatuns | 07:32 |
| Tb0n3 | mine's a kingston mmcmobile | 07:33 |
| Tb0n3 | has a bunch of connectors | 07:33 |
| Tb0n3 | yay | 07:34 |
| Tb0n3 | it's high speed | 07:34 |
| Tb0n3 | where's this high speed kernel? | 07:34 |
| Tb0n3 | and do I need linux flasher to put it on? | 07:35 |
| Tb0n3 | 13 connectors | 07:39 |
| Tb0n3 | I thought it looked weird | 07:39 |
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| pupnik | dunno | 07:42 |
| pupnik | i am not a google bot | 07:42 |
| pupnik | cheers GeneralAntilles | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 07:43 |
| pupnik | hows it goin | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just working up a php/mysql system for a website I help run. | 07:44 |
| Tb0n3 | is there a way to get xterm to start another window? | 07:47 |
| pupnik | it has tabs | 07:47 |
| pupnik | file->new tab | 07:48 |
| Tb0n3 | well, I've had kismet start another window in a boot cd | 07:48 |
| Tb0n3 | wireless auditing ftw | 07:48 |
| Tb0n3 | but what I mean is, running a gui'd app starting from cli | 07:48 |
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| grndlvl | ya pupnik still dont see the libffi4 in apt-get cache either | 07:49 |
| grndlvl | although i have two issues on update | 07:50 |
| grndlvl | W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <integration@maemo.org> | 07:50 |
| grndlvl | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D | 07:50 |
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| pupnik | i ignore those errors | 07:50 |
| grndlvl | word | 07:50 |
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| grndlvl | not sure what to do here | 07:51 |
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| ToddBrandt | Hi, I having a problem with hildon-control-panel and was wondering if someone could help me out? | 07:53 |
| grndlvl | ohh well thanks for the help going to ged | 07:53 |
| grndlvl | what problem ToddBrandt | 07:54 |
| ToddBrandt | Basically, I have a sound applet that sets up the audio devices for the system, and it's designed as a library which is pulled up by the controlpanel process | 07:54 |
| ToddBrandt | It requires gstreamer to work, and the gstreamer documentation tells me that I have to either call gst_init or g_threat_init() *before* any other glib functions are called | 07:55 |
| ToddBrandt | But by the time my execute function is called, it's too late | 07:55 |
| ToddBrandt | Is there a way to initialize gstreamer from a hildon cp applet? Or do I have to patch hildon-control-panel to call gst_init in its main function? | 07:56 |
| grndlvl | hrmm... I really don;t know sorry dude | 07:56 |
| ToddBrandt | grndlvl: no problem, thanks anyway, I'll leave that up in case someone knows | 07:56 |
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| pupnik | Error Message: E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (absolute dist) | 07:59 |
| pupnik | :? | 07:59 |
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| pupnik | ahh leave components blank | 08:00 |
| shapr | GeneralAntilles: Are you same guy who plays trem? | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, hey, shapr. ;) | 08:05 |
| shapr | hiya! | 08:05 |
| pupnik | trem is what? | 08:06 |
| shapr | tremulous | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremulous | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open source FPS | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | based os q3 | 08:06 |
| shapr | With Hacker's Edition of bora on my Nokia 770, suddenly it doesn't use DHCP requests anymore.. it uses something else? | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, on | 08:06 |
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| shapr | wireshark shows LLC protocol, DSAP / SSAP ? | 08:06 |
| pupnik | wow i'd never heard of tremulous... what engine does it use? | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quake 3 | 08:07 |
| pupnik | ... even available in debian | 08:07 |
| shapr | I can connect to other wifi access points, but not the antique AP I own, what's up with that? | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check the advance settings on the connection for your home AP? | 08:08 |
| Drel | Hello -- I just upgraded to the latest firmware on the N800, and am reinstalling a few apps. Some apps I had installed prior to the upgrade and restore (I backed up immediately prior to the firmware upgrade) are not installing, including aisleriot, and mirage (image viewer). Mirage, for example, complains of missing libffi4. The Maemo extras repository is enabled in application manager,... | 08:08 |
| Drel | ...so I'm not sure what the problem is. | 08:08 |
| shapr | I can't find libffi4 either, I want it for Python. | 08:09 |
| Drel | Is there anything about the firmware upgrade which would make these packages unavailable? | 08:10 |
| shapr | Advanced settings for my AP connection has "auto-retrive ip address" checked, but why is it using some sort of LLC packets instead of DHCP? | 08:11 |
| pupnik | this is the second report of unavailable libffi4 today | 08:11 |
| shapr | third | 08:11 |
| shapr | I think | 08:12 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 08:12 |
| _Monkey | i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 08:12 |
| pupnik | what repository should have libffi4? | 08:12 |
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| sp3000 | repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_bora_free | 08:23 |
| sp3000 | perhaps someone should make a packages list grabbing web app for that type of query | 08:25 |
| Drel | Hmm. I have the maemo extras repo in my repo list, for both free and non-free components. But libffi4 is not available. | 08:26 |
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| pupnik | please send feedback to repo maintainer | 08:28 |
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| pupnik | morgen konttori | 08:31 |
| pupnik | i love dosbox soo much | 08:32 |
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| pupnik | nsswitch? | 08:57 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... nsswitch is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get | 08:57 |
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| timeless | pupnik? | 09:10 |
| pupnik | hi | 09:11 |
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| timeless | What's this new firmware mentioned in [Bug 2063] New: microb won't install on new firmware (4.2007.38-2)? | 09:13 |
| _Monkey | Bug 2063 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2063 | 09:13 |
| pupnik | no idea | 09:14 |
| pupnik | bug report is too vague | 09:15 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: mmc corruption fix rel | 09:16 |
| * timeless finds http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html | 09:16 | |
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| pupnik | btkbd? | 09:37 |
| pupnik | does the IT2006se need maemo-bt-plugin? | 09:38 |
| pupnik | for some reason i thought newer it2006se had connectivity for bluetooth keyboard builtin | 09:42 |
| pupnik | http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/ | 09:42 |
| pupnik | is that^ still current/ | 09:42 |
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| pupnik | ok it works fine | 09:47 |
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| timeless | Sp3000: i thought i wrote instructions for reporting application manager bugs in a bugzilla report, specifically reporting application manager log and sources.list, could you find that comment and reference it for me in 2063? | 09:55 |
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| kamal_gar | unable to find include file:keybindings.rc | 09:58 |
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| onion | why can't the 2007 media player have a simple File->Open operation ? | 10:13 |
| kamal_gar | what is the cause of this error:unble to find include file:keybindings.rc | 10:23 |
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| onion | what does the metalayer crawler consider as audio ? | 10:36 |
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| onion | anyone? | 10:43 |
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| onion | adding my mods manuly to the meta db is a bit slow, fortunately the media player agrees to play them then | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
| * Jaffa yawns: knackered from getting a working system for pointing it at a set of videos and it produces an on-demand transcoding RSS feed with thumbnails for VideoCenter. | 10:51 | |
| sx|lappy | Jaffa: sounds like a youtube clone of some sort | 10:52 |
| disq | morning | 10:52 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 10:52 |
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| Big_B | for maemo2.2 scratchbox is "http://scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-apohis" is it ok? please anybody. | 11:31 |
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| Jaffa | sx|lappy: more thinking of interfacing to media centre things, however it'd also be possible to paste it RSS feeds of other sites and auto-transcode them to N800-compatible. So, for example, the YouTube RSS feed in VideoCenter going through your converter on your PC | 11:42 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:47 |
| AD-N770 | rainy day in Barcelona | 11:47 |
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| mbuf | trying example_alarm, where and what should be value of PKG_CONFIG_PATH ? | 12:18 |
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| mbuf | using Maemo 3.2 Bora | 12:20 |
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| zwnj | i have set IP/DNS of n800 to connect my wifi connection and it connects and the jabber client connects to the server, but i get "Address Not Found" page in microb. do you have any idea what the problem is? | 12:27 |
| sp3000 | timeless: hm, no bug containing sources.list has a comment by you, and nothing else quite jumps at me either | 12:28 |
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| lardman | anyone familiar with syslog.conf? | 13:06 |
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| edistar | hello! when I install aircrack-ng airodump is not included? | 13:15 |
| zwnj | i don't understand why i get this error: | 13:20 |
| zwnj | nslookup: getaddrinfo('www.google.com') failed: Name or service not known | 13:20 |
| zwnj | everything works well for other sites... | 13:20 |
| * lardman curses | 13:27 | |
| edistar | how do I set my wlan0 to go into promisc mode? | 13:28 |
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| lardman | It would appear, that dsp_dld does not always tell you what's causing ABORTADR, slightly annoying | 13:32 |
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| edistar | you can actually use airmon-ng to turn promisc on and off without rebooting with OS 2007, cool :) | 13:36 |
| lardman | Right, school boy question coming up: I have some global declarations in one file of my project (e.g. char *_ogg_stack0_post=ogg_malloc_heap;) | 13:36 |
| lardman | I'd like to see the value of this var in my main() fn | 13:37 |
| lardman | can/should I use extern in that source file to make this var visible? | 13:37 |
| lardman | (the main() fn and the declarations are in separate files that are linked together eventually) | 13:38 |
| disq | you can do that | 13:39 |
| lardman | I should be able to - I wanted to check, but the dsp loader doesn't like this | 13:39 |
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| lardman | hmm, swapping it around so I do the declaration in the main source file and extern it in the other one seems to work | 13:43 |
| lardman | very off | 13:43 |
| lardman | odd even | 13:44 |
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| disq | mmm no idea | 13:49 |
| lardman | Right, another one :) | 13:53 |
| lardman | I'll pastebin it though, as it's going to get long | 13:54 |
| lardman | http://pastebin.com/de761591 see if that makes sense | 13:57 |
| lardman | oops, typo in the printf, no quotes | 13:57 |
| lardman | that's my fault transcribing though | 13:58 |
| lardman | hmm, 17 is an interesting address for that char array though | 13:59 |
| lardman | I can't understand why the _ogg_stack1_post and _ogg_stack1_ptr =17 rather than =17+26624 | 14:06 |
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| ulpe | hello. | 14:26 |
| ulpe | is it possible to brick N800 so bad it won't even power anymore...? | 14:26 |
| lardman | ulpe: if you screw up the kernel you may not be able to charge | 14:27 |
| ulpe | is that so? | 14:27 |
| lardman | ulpe: then you'd need to get a charged battery from somewhere and try flashing again | 14:27 |
| lardman | ulpe: I think so, though I don't know for sure | 14:27 |
| Veggen | it's generally low-risk, tho. | 14:27 |
| lardman | the only way you'd screw it up is when you're flashing, and then you should have a charged battery so you can try again, etc. | 14:28 |
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| lardman | bye | 14:31 |
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| ulpe | dammit. I was messing around with the ModifyingRootImage-article in maemo-wiki and accidently booted after mounting jffs2 image. | 14:32 |
| ulpe | after this it stopped responding...it doesn't even power up | 14:32 |
| ulpe | battery should be full, as I've been charging it for a while already | 14:32 |
| jkyro | anybody know what's wrong with python2.5? | 14:33 |
| ulpe | I tried to reflash, but flasher won't find the device at all | 14:33 |
| jkyro | can't install due to not finding a lib | 14:33 |
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| jkyro | libffi4 to be exact, is this chinook stuff? | 14:37 |
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| syntux | anyone tried to upgrade N800 to the latest os ? | 14:38 |
| flip^ | as in some beta os, or just the latest official flash upgrade? | 14:38 |
| syntux | the latest official flash upgrade | 14:38 |
| flip^ | it was the first thing i did when i got it :) | 14:39 |
| syntux | There is a new upgrade was released yesterday 2007-10-02 15:29:43 EEST. | 14:39 |
| flip^ | really... | 14:40 |
| flip^ | hmm | 14:40 |
| syntux | yeah, I'm trying to upgrade but it's not working for reason or another. | 14:40 |
| ulpe | i thought the only difference is the memory card bug being fixed | 14:40 |
| syntux | ulpe, which is good | 14:41 |
| flip^ | which bug is that? | 14:41 |
| ulpe | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html | 14:41 |
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| syntux | any news about skype bug ? | 14:43 |
| syntux | or is it maemo bug ? | 14:44 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 14:48 |
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| ulpe | I think I managed to kill this n800...I tried with different batteries, waiting, charging, hitting the device on desk...(not really:) and nothing wakes it up :/ | 14:55 |
| SniZ|work | hi, i try flash my n770 to hacker edition, but it cant start flash, my windows wanna some drivers for Nokia 770 (update mode) | 14:56 |
| SniZ|work | what i must do? i download and install program tu update.... | 14:56 |
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| SniZ|work | <SniZ|work> hi, i try flash my n770 to hacker edition, but it cant start flash, my windows wanna some drivers for Nokia 770 (update mode) | 15:00 |
| SniZ|work | <SniZ|work> what i must do? i download and install program tu update.... | 15:00 |
| solmumaha | SniZ|work: did you press and hold home when you powered it on? | 15:00 |
| SniZ|work | yes | 15:00 |
| SniZ|work | it display usb logo | 15:00 |
| SniZ|work | and do nothing | 15:00 |
| SniZ|work | but my system wanna some drivers for "Nokia 770 (update mode)" | 15:00 |
| solmumaha | and you have installed the nokia internet tablet update wizard and it's searching for a device at that point? | 15:01 |
| SniZ|work | yes , i install | 15:01 |
| SniZ|work | but when i connect and try to boot 770 to flash mode, my windows wanna drivers | 15:01 |
| solmumaha | and can't automatically install them? | 15:03 |
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| SniZ|work | what drivers i must install? | 15:03 |
| SniZ|work | it say "cant found drivers for this device" or something.. | 15:03 |
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| solmumaha | have you attached it in a non update mode? | 15:05 |
| solmumaha | maybe it can install those drivers then | 15:05 |
| SniZ|work | hm.... drivers are in "C:\Program Files\Nokia\Connectivity Cable Driver" folder..... | 15:05 |
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| SniZ|work | or no? | 15:05 |
| SniZ|work | My Nokia 770 starts correctly in Update Mode but windows does not found a driver for it (Nokia 770 Update Mode). | 15:07 |
| SniZ|work | wtf? | 15:07 |
| SniZ|work | solmumaha, | 15:10 |
| SniZ|work | can you help me? | 15:11 |
| edistar | SniZ|work: what windows do you have? | 15:11 |
| SniZ|work | win2k3server | 15:11 |
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| edistar | SniZ|work: wow, as a home pc? | 15:11 |
| SniZ|work | no, on work ^) | 15:11 |
| SniZ|work | :) | 15:11 |
| edistar | SniZ|work: have you ever managed to connect your nokia to pc? | 15:11 |
| SniZ|work | no | 15:11 |
| edistar | SniZ|work: is the driver for win2k3? | 15:12 |
| SniZ|work | driver for what? | 15:12 |
| edistar | SniZ|work: usb driver for nokia | 15:12 |
| edistar | but it should work without... | 15:12 |
| SniZ|work | i think i have somethig | 15:12 |
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| edistar | SniZ|work: btw, I flashed my 770 to OS2007 yesterday from linux and it's really cool | 15:13 |
| SniZ|work | i know | 15:13 |
| edistar | SniZ|work: try to delete the nokia device in your device manager in windows and reconnect | 15:14 |
| SniZ|work | i must install "Nokia BB5 ADL Loader"? | 15:14 |
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| SniZ|work | edistar, hm, i must install some drivers for "Nokia 770 Update Mode" | 15:15 |
| edistar | SniZ|work: ok | 15:15 |
| edistar | SniZ|work: try | 15:15 |
| SniZ|work | my windows found it.... | 15:15 |
| edistar | I don't have win.. not for 4 years now :) | 15:15 |
| SniZ|work | heh | 15:16 |
| SniZ|work | it cant be installed :( | 15:18 |
| SniZ|work | edistar, what must be fouded when you connect 770? | 15:19 |
| lardman | SniZ|work: I've never been able to get the Windows updater to work | 15:20 |
| SniZ|work | ok | 15:20 |
| SniZ|work | hehe | 15:20 |
| SniZ|work | i forgot :) | 15:20 |
| SniZ|work | lardman i must eject mmc card? | 15:21 |
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| lardman | To avoid it being mounted as mass storage and connected to flash instead? No idea | 15:21 |
| gla55_ | the windows flasher included instructions, no? | 15:23 |
| SniZ|work | no | 15:23 |
| gla55_ | "make sure device is switched off and charger disconnected, connect with usb, press and hold the home key on device, release the home key when a usb logo appears in the upper right cornet" | 15:25 |
| gla55_ | about that is whats in the graphical windows flasher | 15:25 |
| lardman | You might try switching the machine off (make sure external power is not connected), then plug into usb, then attach external power | 15:26 |
| gla55_ | dunno how that would help | 15:26 |
| gla55_ | but don't use usb hub | 15:26 |
| lardman | more reliable method than holding the home key in my experience | 15:26 |
| SniZ|work | i know | 15:27 |
| SniZ|work | i do it | 15:27 |
| lardman | what happens under Linux if you don't run the flasher tool? Does the tablet just sit there waiting or does it time out and boot eventually? | 15:27 |
| SniZ|work | i have no linux on work... | 15:28 |
| lardman | general question | 15:28 |
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| lardman | If I boot Linux I can get the flasher to work, with WinXP on the same usb port it won't. Wondering if it's timing out | 15:28 |
| SniZ|work | my windows WANNA INSTALL drivers for device called "Nokia 770 Update Mode" | 15:29 |
| lardman | I should restate that, with Linux it *does* work, never a problem | 15:29 |
| lardman | yes, that's normal | 15:29 |
| SniZ|work | can 2007 hacker edition support a2dp? | 15:30 |
| lardman | I can't see why not | 15:31 |
| edistar_ | my Program manager doesn't start properly anymore, any tips? | 15:32 |
| mbuf | edistar, is it a pun? | 15:35 |
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| mbuf | edistar_, is it a pun? | 15:35 |
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| edistar_ | mbuf: well, wasn't intented :P | 15:39 |
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| lardman | edistar_: run syslogd and see if it has anything to say | 15:41 |
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| edistar_ | lardman: thx, I will | 15:44 |
| lardman | edistar_: or, and even easier, try running the binary from the command line and see what it outputs to stderr | 15:45 |
| edistar_ | ok | 15:49 |
| edistar_ | btw, ssh to my nokia is somehow lagging 5 mins or so... anyone have that issue? | 15:49 |
| lardman | sometimes I need to do something on the Nokia (e.g. refresh the news reader) to get ssh to wake up | 15:50 |
| lardman | not sure if it's the network going to sleep or the processor | 15:51 |
| edistar_ | lardman: not very handy.. | 15:51 |
| edistar_ | well, doesn't work somehow | 15:51 |
| edistar_ | load average 2.1 ;) | 15:52 |
| lardman | someone created an applet that repeatedly pings google when plugged into external power, that should fix it | 15:52 |
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| edistar_ | bot OS2007 is much nicer, why isn't there any update for OS2006 to be just as good? | 15:53 |
| edistar_ | e.g. bluetooth data transfer even works | 15:53 |
| lardman | there's the hacker edition for the 770 | 15:53 |
| edistar_ | lardman: thats what I am running | 15:54 |
| lardman | ah, okay | 15:54 |
| edistar_ | is it normal that load is around 2 all the time? | 15:54 |
| lardman | no idea, sorry | 15:54 |
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| edistar_ | ok | 15:54 |
| jani | i dont think so.. | 15:56 |
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| jani | something is hogging resources if load avg > 1 | 15:57 |
| edistar | jani: ok | 15:58 |
| jani | also, yeah that ssh thing is pain in the arse. | 15:58 |
| edistar | jani: dropbear and openssh have the problem or only dropbear? | 15:58 |
| jani | i think i have openssh on the device and it does the same. its not that bad thou .. | 15:59 |
| edistar | jani: ok, thx | 15:59 |
| lardman | would the load average be affected by dyntick? | 15:59 |
| edistar | whats that? | 16:00 |
| jani | if you transfer something to the device via ssh, that will eat the cpu | 16:00 |
| jani | eg, scp .. | 16:00 |
| jani | or am i talking about different issues.. | 16:00 |
| edistar | jani: my sparc chokes on scp aswell, so I wouldn't dream of torturing my 770 with that :P | 16:00 |
| jani | damn i need coffee | 16:00 |
| jani | edistar: blowfish is your friend, its less exhausting then the rest of the crypto stuff.. | 16:01 |
| edistar | jani: ah, brilliant | 16:02 |
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| jani | used to have some old sparcs as webservers long ago.. they would choke on default settings but managed to stay alive with blowfish =) | 16:03 |
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| edistar | my webserver is an ultra10 | 16:03 |
| jani | yeah. | 16:03 |
| edistar | I really like it :) | 16:03 |
| jani | yep. i had 5, well, i didnt but the company did where i worked. | 16:03 |
| edistar | cool | 16:03 |
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| edistar | they are not really servers.. but still, they work fine | 16:04 |
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| jani | it took few hd crashes and 2 complete blowouts to convince the phb to actually convince to change those 5 ultras to single intel box. | 16:04 |
| edistar | haha, annoying | 16:05 |
| jani | and even then, only good reason was that we couldnt find any spare parts anymore! :D | 16:05 |
| edistar | did you split services? | 16:05 |
| jani | depends what you mean.. | 16:06 |
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| edistar | jani: on one server database, on the other webserver etc | 16:06 |
| jani | initially those 5 where just web frontends offering some php/image/static pages with dns roundrobin in front of them. | 16:06 |
| edistar | ah | 16:06 |
| jani | those 5 where only for web .. db was handled by other dept so it was alot better.. | 16:07 |
| edistar | ok | 16:07 |
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| edistar | then of course it's much easier to have one intel box;) | 16:08 |
| edistar | a sun fire :P | 16:08 |
| jani | i think fire's wherent out that time.. | 16:09 |
| jani | netra t1's where replaced by fires ? | 16:09 |
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| edistar | don't know | 16:10 |
| jani | i have a feeling like that. | 16:10 |
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| edistar | I have a feeling that my nokia is completely overloaded | 16:16 |
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| edistar | what is telepathy-gabbl? | 16:17 |
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| edistar | it's eating up my resources | 16:19 |
| jani | its jabber connection manager afaik | 16:20 |
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| pp | Hello | 16:22 |
| edistar | pp: hello | 16:23 |
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| edistar | load average 0.02 :) | 16:24 |
| edistar | stupid jabber | 16:24 |
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| edistar | what is the name of the binary of the program manager? | 16:29 |
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| Argiris | Nokia n800 support GSM networks? | 16:32 |
| timo3 | no | 16:32 |
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| Argiris | So it isn't three band? | 16:33 |
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| pakos_ | edistar: /usr/bin/osso-application-installer (my guess) | 16:34 |
| Tak|work | my 770 (latest 2007HE) keeps getting the idea that it's plugged in at random times, when it isn't, and then that screws up the power management | 16:34 |
| inz | Argiris, wlan and bluetooth only | 16:34 |
| Tak|work | is there a way I can tell it to think it's been unplugged? | 16:34 |
| Argiris | Any mobile phone with maemo linux with GSM support? | 16:35 |
| inz | Argiris, nope | 16:35 |
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| pakos_ | Argiris: n800 is not a phone | 16:35 |
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| Argiris | Any mobile phone with linux with GSM and wifi support? | 16:36 |
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| inz | Argiris, FIC Neo1973 ;) | 16:36 |
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| edistar | I have a ncurses-bin installed which takes up 0b, I am a bit confused... it tells me I shouldn't deinstall as it is potentially dangerous and a apt-get upgrade tells me ncurses-bin ( a new version) will overwrite /usr/bin/clear and then breaks off | 16:39 |
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| Tak|work | anyone? a way to set the state to "not charging" ? | 16:41 |
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| edistar | can anyone help me? http://nopaste.org/p/afnjJ1511 | 16:42 |
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| Tak|work | "Need to get 0B/140kB of archives" means the package is already downloaded | 16:43 |
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| Tak|work | apt-get upgrade on the device isn't recommended afaik, though | 16:43 |
| edistar | Tak|work: how should you upgrade then? | 16:44 |
| inz | Your package db seems to be somewhat b0rken | 16:44 |
| inz | edistar, by reflashing | 16:44 |
| edistar | inz: not seriously? | 16:44 |
| Tak|work | edistar: through the package manager, for normal packages | 16:44 |
| edistar | apt-get upgrade just updates packages.. | 16:45 |
| inz | edistar, it depends on what you want to upgrade | 16:45 |
| edistar | inz: ok.. | 16:45 |
| edistar | just wanted to update a few packages | 16:45 |
| inz | edistar, upgrading system packages is not officially supported (and often breaks things) | 16:45 |
| edistar | ok | 16:46 |
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| edistar | inz: lovely.. now how to get everything to work again.. | 16:46 |
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| inz | edistar, cannot really tell, reflash will help at least ;) | 16:46 |
| Tak|work | edistar: the package manager only affects packages in the user section - apt-get upgrade affects all packages (libs, etc) | 16:47 |
| edistar | all these programs I installed.. is there a way to mark them and install them all at once? | 16:47 |
| inz | edistar, your dpkg-database seems to be broken in some ways at least | 16:47 |
| inz | edistar, some people have at least tried some dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections, but I've no experience from using such | 16:48 |
| edistar | inz: ok, thx | 16:48 |
| edistar | the application-installer doesn't support this, does it? | 16:48 |
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| inz | it doesn't | 16:49 |
| edistar | well, I'll reflash then :( | 16:49 |
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| snuffels | Hi | 16:55 |
| snuffels | Is there a way to change to keyboard layout for kbdd on N770? | 16:56 |
| snuffels | There is only a app for IT 2007 | 16:56 |
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| timeless | hi inz? | 17:19 |
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| inz | hi timeless | 17:21 |
| timeless | when last we talked you were on vacation? | 17:22 |
| inz | yeah | 17:23 |
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| lardman | Is it just me, or do other people have problems using videocentre when they click on the service catalogue? | 17:26 |
| lardman | If I click install, I get a text file (with extension vcfg) containing an url and other bits and bobs, presumably this should have been handled by the videocentre to add a feed | 17:27 |
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| timeless | how are things back at work? | 17:34 |
| * timeless is watching the sun set on vacation | 17:34 | |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I haven't got to the point yet in my VideoCenter feed maker of checking the MIME type, but I'd guess at it being a MIME type issue | 17:35 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Yep, that Service Catalogue page is screwed up too - if I click on the break.com info button I get info about a Reuters feed | 17:37 |
| timeless | what is videocenter? | 17:38 |
| inz | timeless, business as usual, nothing happens ;) | 17:38 |
| lardman | timeless: http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:39 |
| timeless | lardman: i have a few minutes before tuesday, is it worth my time? | 17:39 |
| lardman | timeless: looks like it will be cool - watch online video/tv, video podcast sort of things, but not much on there atm | 17:40 |
| lardman | and a bit of a steep learning curve to work out what it actually does | 17:41 |
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| sp3000 | is that miro for tablets or something more complicated | 17:41 |
| tmccrary | Is there a voice recorder application for the n770? | 17:41 |
| Veggen | apropos - anyone got MythTV integration done? What does MaemoMyth give you? | 17:41 |
| pupnik | recorder | 17:41 |
| lardman | sp3000: no idea, never used any of these sorts of things | 17:42 |
| Veggen | for now, I've settled with a transcode-job on mythtv that you can tick off, that stores a transcoded version in a directory that I | 17:42 |
| Veggen | 've made web-accessible. | 17:42 |
| sp3000 | looks like the former, roughly | 17:42 |
| lardman | Would be good if someone could collate a list of (what I presume need to be) RSS feeds | 17:42 |
| lardman | I guess that's what the Nokia site will do in the end | 17:43 |
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| * lardman looks forwards to watching the Rugby/cricket on his Nxxx | 17:43 | |
| guardian | will there be an OS release corresponding to chinook on the N800 ? | 17:43 |
| guardian | or is it for tablet+1 ? | 17:44 |
| pupnik | Veggen unfortunately knots player is down | 17:44 |
| timeless | there's an audio recorder somewhere | 17:44 |
| lardman | guardian: There is supposed to be one, probably a little while after the new tablet release | 17:44 |
| guardian | ok | 17:44 |
| guardian | thx for the info :) | 17:44 |
| lardman | that's what I would do anyway, but they may be simultaneous if the changes are under the skin only | 17:45 |
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| * Tak|work so unexcited about the rumored slideout kb on tablet+1 | 17:45 | |
| Jaffa | Veggen/lardman: I'm working on a video archive -> on-demand transcoder (including RSS feeds and MythTV/Freevo metadata) at the moment. | 17:46 |
| timeless | jaffa: atom? :) | 17:47 |
| lardman | Jaffa: cool | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | timeless: no reason why not ;-) | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | More info here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10205 | 17:48 |
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| Veggen | Jaffa: mmmh, look forward to it :) | 17:49 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Can the video center [sic] ;) take any RSS and just pull out the video stuff (/me is looking at the BBC website) | 17:49 |
| tmccrary | is http://repository.maemo.org mistral free non-free still a valid repo? | 17:51 |
| tmccrary | for an n770 | 17:51 |
| Jaffa | lardman: NAFAIK, but I've no real idea. And, of course, it has to be a feed which the tablet can play | 17:51 |
| lardman | tmccrary: yes, choose the right release tho | 17:52 |
| pupnik | slideout keyboard = frickin enough buttons on rhs | 17:53 |
| pupnik | solmumaha you around? your transcoding media player url is down | 17:54 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, he had a HD crash. | 17:55 |
| lardman | I tried to add this feed: http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/front_page/rss.xml from this page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3223484.stm and the player complains about the playlist | 17:55 |
| tmccrary | lardman: Thanks for the info. I think there is a bug in the application manager software for my n770. I enterred the repo is correctly and it go mangled by the software for some reason | 17:55 |
| tmccrary | It worked the second time though | 17:55 |
| lardman | good good | 17:56 |
| pupnik | ok Jaffa i forgot whether you were aware of his efforts | 17:56 |
| Tak|work | pupnik: What was the trick to getting dgen working? | 17:58 |
| pupnik | don't remember | 17:58 |
| Tak|work | heh | 17:58 |
| Tak|work | it would crash for me right after "SEGA" | 17:59 |
| pupnik | yeah i remember that | 17:59 |
| Tak|work | or maybe it only happens on certain roms - I didn't try phantasy star II | 17:59 |
| pupnik | well it depends on the rom | 17:59 |
| pupnik | crashes on sonic | 17:59 |
| pupnik | i just put up the screenshot to hopefully prod some interest | 18:00 |
| pupnik | genesis RPGs are not so great imo | 18:00 |
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| Tak|work | yeah, snes got all the good rpgs from that era | 18:00 |
| Tak|work | aha - sonic was the one I was really working for | 18:00 |
| pupnik | man i actually dreamt about getting a new nokia tablet and the dpad sucked | 18:01 |
| pupnik | i'm being a bit obsessive | 18:02 |
| pupnik | have you heard of the Craigulator, Tak|work ? | 18:02 |
| Tak|work | nein | 18:02 |
| pupnik | a bizarre rumour from the gp2x boards that this guy is working on a new linux based handheld | 18:04 |
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| Tak|work | hm | 18:07 |
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| Tak|work | IBIWISI | 18:07 |
| * ttuttle 's N770 is on the Fedex truck for delivery to the repair center... | 18:07 | |
| pupnik | i bet it won't ...? | 18:08 |
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| Tak|work | I'll Believe It When I See It :-P | 18:09 |
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| timeless | have a good weekend all | 18:13 |
| pupnik | it's wednesday | 18:13 |
| pupnik | but same to you :) | 18:13 |
| Tak|work | LOL! | 18:14 |
| ttuttle | heh | 18:15 |
| timeless | i'm still on vacation | 18:20 |
| timeless | but more holy days start tonight. so thus ends my tech week | 18:20 |
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| pupnik | ah | 18:22 |
| pupnik | it is a holiday today i see | 18:22 |
| pupnik | all the stores are closed here | 18:22 |
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| Blacksitox | hi :) | 18:25 |
| * Tak|work ignorant of fancy !american holidays | 18:25 | |
| Mikho | so... what is SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin? I'd like to reflash my 770 but the flasher tutorials are talking about jffs2 files | 18:27 |
| ttuttle | Mikho: You can do ./flasher -F SU-18... -f | 18:28 |
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| Mikho | it's a fiasco image? | 18:29 |
| Tak|work | oh! that reminds me, is there something special I need to do in an SDL app to detect thumbpresses as well as taps in 2007HE? | 18:30 |
| Tak|work | it seems to differentiate much more strictly between a tap and a thumbpress than os2006 or 2007(on n800) do | 18:30 |
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| Mikho | I wonder if the --enable-usb-host-mode switch works... | 18:33 |
| zoran | should for 770 | 18:33 |
| Mikho | I've been shedding blood and bile trying to make the device recognize my usb gadget | 18:34 |
| zoran | hm, usb port has no power, you know | 18:34 |
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| zoran | you have to buy powered usb hub | 18:34 |
| Mikho | I do know that. That's why I have a modified usb cable | 18:35 |
| zoran | ah, the one with 3 hands! | 18:35 |
| Mikho | Look behind you! A three headed usb-cable! | 18:36 |
| zoran | boooooooo | 18:36 |
| zoran | is is shiped with usb hdd's | 18:36 |
| zoran | 2,5 ones | 18:37 |
| Mikho | what should I answer to password after "sudo /usr/bin/gainroot"? | 18:43 |
| flip^ | rootme iirc | 18:43 |
| Mikho | oh, if I wrote /usr/sbin/gainroot it didn't even ask | 18:44 |
| flip^ | yeah, actually, that's true | 18:44 |
| zoran | yes, you change option not to | 18:44 |
| lardman | sudo gainroot should just work | 18:44 |
| lardman | if not you need to enable r&d mode with the flasher | 18:44 |
| flip^ | though its still worth using passwd to change the root password once you've got root, just for the sake of it :) | 18:44 |
| Mikho | how do I enable just plain sudo? | 18:44 |
| flip^ | alias sudo to sudo gainroot? :) | 18:45 |
| zoran | in gainroot MODE=enabled | 18:45 |
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| zoran | it is a file in etc | 18:45 |
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| Mikho | what is a file in etc? | 18:47 |
| flip^ | /etc is a directory | 18:47 |
| flip^ | and the files in it tend to contain configuration settings for things | 18:47 |
| flip^ | presumably there's one in there for gainroot | 18:47 |
| Mikho | ok, but I can't find the file for gainroot | 18:47 |
| zoran | in some subdirectory | 18:48 |
| flip^ | after you've typed sudo gainroot, type cd /etc and then ls -al | 18:48 |
| zoran | cannot recall which one | 18:48 |
| flip^ | or maybe ls -a | 18:48 |
| Mikho | just doing it... | 18:48 |
| Mikho | but still can't find | 18:48 |
| lardman | visudo | 18:48 |
| lardman | to edit the sudo settings | 18:49 |
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| lardman | sudo allows certain users to run certain binaries as another user | 18:49 |
| Mikho | yes, but I don't know how to configure sudo, and don't know how to use vi | 18:49 |
| lardman | What do you want to do? | 18:50 |
| zoran | some people, me included, just hate sudo | 18:50 |
| Mikho | I'd like to run commands as a root without going super-user | 18:50 |
| zoran | root is a superuser | 18:50 |
| Mikho | yes | 18:50 |
| zoran | vi is all present, so learn it | 18:51 |
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| * flip^ hugs nano | 18:51 | |
| zoran | I remember file that makes sudo privs on 770 | 18:51 |
| Mikho | but it's easier to write "sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/" than "sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot" and "cd <somewhere>" and "cp sources.list /etc/apt/" | 18:51 |
| Mikho | I have an attitude problem against vi | 18:52 |
| lardman | use visudo to allow you to run cp as root them | 18:52 |
| zoran | or su root -c "whatever" | 18:52 |
| lardman | then | 18:52 |
| Mikho | but I don't know what to write to sudoers to give me rights to do anything with the proper password | 18:53 |
| Mikho | that's what I'm trying to find out here | 18:53 |
| Tak|work | iirc visudo will actually use whatever editor you have configured | 18:54 |
| zoran | 770 is not set as regular distros | 18:54 |
| Mikho | ah, forget it. sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot will do for now | 18:55 |
| zoran | if you have gainroot in your path... | 18:55 |
| zoran | sudo gainroot | 18:55 |
| zoran | or make alias for that | 18:55 |
| zoran | suga | 18:55 |
| Tak|work | lol - Suga! | 18:56 |
| zoran | :) | 18:56 |
| Mikho | :D | 18:56 |
| Tak|work | I bought a gun the other day from Sako, it's small, it's cute, it fits right in my pocket! | 18:56 |
| zoran | that sudo made me vary nervous | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: yeah, I was playing with it last night - it's very cool | 18:57 |
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| Mikho | woohoo! It works! I've actually plugged something to an usb port! | 18:57 |
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| zoran | tv? | 18:57 |
| _Monkey | i think tv is the mind killer - it is the little death | 18:57 |
| zoran | _Monkey is my hero | 18:58 |
| * Tak|work agree with _Monkey | 18:58 | |
| zoran | let's try: tv | 18:58 |
| * Mikho hugs everybody, even people who had nothing to do with solving the problem | 18:58 | |
| * Tak|work will face his TV, let it flow over him and through him | 18:58 | |
| zoran | chick with tv on the breasts? | 18:58 |
| Veggen | Miko: wait a sec, I'll give you right sudo line. | 18:58 |
| Veggen | user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL | 18:59 |
| Veggen | that will give you the right to sudo anything. | 18:59 |
| Mikho | and it won't ask for password? | 19:00 |
| Veggen | no. | 19:00 |
| Mikho | thanks | 19:00 |
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| zoran | Mikho, it is fine to have less privs sometimes | 19:01 |
| Mikho | argh, it doesn't have nano/pico installed | 19:01 |
| zoran | nano is in ports | 19:01 |
| Mikho | zoran, I know, but this will do for development purposes | 19:01 |
| zoran | pico could be the part of pine | 19:01 |
| zoran | there is even zile | 19:01 |
| zoran | alike emacs | 19:02 |
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| Mikho | I feel I've gained enough experience for a level. Maybe I should rest | 19:03 |
| zoran | not in peace, of course | 19:03 |
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| Mikho | hmm, what's the difference between nano and pico? | 19:04 |
| Tak|work | I wonder if you'll get a feat? | 19:04 |
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| Tak|work | 10^3 | 19:04 |
| zoran | :) | 19:05 |
| Mikho | indeed :) | 19:05 |
| zoran | vi is fine | 19:05 |
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| zoran | tehre is some vim port, for those who care | 19:06 |
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| zoran | Mikho, what would be the purpose of devel? | 19:11 |
| Mikho | dissertation | 19:14 |
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| zoran | on 770? | 19:16 |
| zoran | usb keyboard? | 19:16 |
| Mikho | a wireless rfid reader | 19:18 |
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| Mikho | now how do I type ctrl-x, y... | 19:24 |
| Mikho | I can input a single ctrl character after which the keyboard disappears | 19:24 |
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| Mikho | and if I click the screen again to make the keyboard come up, the dialog that came after ctrl-x vanishes | 19:25 |
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| zoran | Mikho, what wterm do you have? | 19:28 |
| zoran | *xterm | 19:28 |
| zoran | k, no diff probably | 19:29 |
| Mikho | xterm | 19:29 |
| zoran | put a pen on the title part of a window | 19:29 |
| zoran | you will have a menu there | 19:30 |
| zoran | yes? | 19:30 |
| Mikho | yes | 19:30 |
| zoran | somewhere down is something like: | 19:30 |
| zoran | send <ctrl> to something? | 19:30 |
| Mikho | I can input a single ctrl character after which the keyboard disappears | 19:31 |
| zoran | or terminal something | 19:31 |
| Mikho | and if I click the screen again to make the keyboard come up, the dialog that came after ctrl-x vanishes | 19:31 |
| zoran | k, I know that | 19:31 |
| pupnik | "Marching to another war... on thin air." | 19:31 |
| zoran | let's do ti again | 19:31 |
| pupnik | http://listen64.kaos959.com | 19:31 |
| zoran | have a keyboard on | 19:31 |
| zoran | yes? | 19:31 |
| Mikho | before I flashed the device, I had a separate toolbar in the right of the window that had several ctrl keypresses | 19:32 |
| zoran | just push the button on the left side, middle one | 19:32 |
| Mikho | ok, nano is asking "save modified buffer?" | 19:32 |
| zoran | any hint? | 19:32 |
| zoran | lower part of the screen | 19:33 |
| zoran | or upper | 19:33 |
| Mikho | oh, actually a HUGE keyboard popped up | 19:33 |
| zoran | kh-kh | 19:33 |
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| Guest6383 | ne good apps for te n770? | 19:34 |
| zoran | I thought you wanted to send <ctrl> letter to the process | 19:34 |
| Mikho | yes, I'd like to save the modified sudoers file | 19:35 |
| Guest6383 | i can use cat > in xtermial emulator | 19:35 |
| Mikho | but for that, I need ctrl-x, y and enter | 19:35 |
| zoran | Mikho, what is nano way to save the file? | 19:35 |
| zoran | k | 19:35 |
| zoran | type once title bar | 19:35 |
| zoran | k? | 19:35 |
| zoran | have a menu there? | 19:35 |
| Mikho | yep | 19:35 |
| zoran | down is terminal send or similar | 19:36 |
| zoran | it has few options | 19:36 |
| zoran | one of them is sned <ctrl> letter to the process | 19:36 |
| Mikho | yes | 19:36 |
| zoran | type on that option and them on "x" on the virtual keyboard | 19:36 |
| Mikho | yep | 19:37 |
| zoran | works? | 19:37 |
| Mikho | then nano says "Save modified buffer? Y/N" and I'm supposed to press y, but can't find a way to do that | 19:38 |
| zoran | "y" on a keyboard | 19:38 |
| Guest6383 | does ne one have a terminal for n770 ? | 19:38 |
| Mikho | yes, but there's no keyboard on the screen, and the question disappears if I touch the screen | 19:39 |
| zoran | don't touch the screen | 19:39 |
| zoran | just the keyboard and the bar | 19:39 |
| Mikho | then how do I type y? | 19:39 |
| zoran | on the lower part of the screen, aka keyboard | 19:39 |
| Mikho | there's no keyboard visible... | 19:40 |
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| zoran | open it with middle button | 19:40 |
| zoran | how it disappeared? | 19:40 |
| zoran | did you make something else? | 19:40 |
| Mikho | it disappeared after I answered x on the ctrl question | 19:40 |
| zoran | hm | 19:41 |
| zoran | should not | 19:41 |
| Mikho | actually a keyboard pops up if I press middle, and it seems to accept the y | 19:41 |
| zoran | it is not a question | 19:41 |
| Mikho | but now I need enter | 19:41 |
| zoran | you do not answer a question on the middle of the screen | 19:41 |
| zoran | you first type on the bar | 19:41 |
| zoran | send ctrl to the proc | 19:42 |
| zoran | popups the window | 19:42 |
| zoran | you DON"T type there | 19:42 |
| zoran | just on the keyboard "x" | 19:42 |
| zoran | keyboard have to stay up | 19:42 |
| zoran | yes? | 19:42 |
| Mikho | yes, I hit keyboard X after which the popup and the keyboard disappears | 19:42 |
| guardian | are there hildon-input-method-framework debs for chinook ??? i can't find them | 19:42 |
| zoran | \o/ | 19:43 |
| zoran | k, nice to spend a time with you folks! | 19:43 |
| zoran | bbl | 19:43 |
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| Guest6383 | nayone have ne good apps for this ? | 19:44 |
| Tak|work | Guest6383: http://downloads.maemo.org | 19:44 |
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| Mikho | aaargh | 19:45 |
| Mikho | I've spent half an hour trying to exit from nano while saving changes | 19:46 |
| Mikho | this is ridiculous | 19:46 |
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| Guest6383 | wuts nano ? | 19:47 |
| Argiris | is motorola a1200 play full screen videos? | 19:48 |
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| timo3 | amiga 1200= | 19:49 |
| timo3 | ?-) | 19:49 |
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| gla55_ | i wonder what moto a1200 has to do with maemo? | 19:49 |
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| Mikho | ooh, actually now that I restarted xterm, it transmogrified into a version that has the ctrl key panel visible | 19:51 |
| Mikho | and the keyboard doesn't disappear either after the ctrl popup | 19:53 |
| Argiris | well i Can not find a developers irc channel about the linux distro that motorola uses | 19:57 |
| gla55_ | you'll be lucky to find any info anywhere about it | 19:59 |
| gla55_ | making that it runs linux more of a curiosity, rather than anything practical | 20:00 |
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| Mikho | I have the feeling people have difficult time understanding my questions today | 20:02 |
| shapr | Argiris: You could buy a Nokia N800 :-) | 20:03 |
| Mikho | For the whole day I've been receiving answers to different questions that I have been asking | 20:03 |
| Argiris | I want n800 but here in greece we have only gsm | 20:03 |
| shapr | Argiris: The N800 isn't a phone, so if your phone has bluetooth and your provider has a data offer, you'll be able to use it. | 20:04 |
| gla55_ | Argiris: buy some bt equipped cheap phone and n800 | 20:04 |
| gla55_ | moto a1200 is not anything like n800 | 20:05 |
| Argiris | I know.I want gsm&wifi in the same device(I don't wand 10 devices) | 20:05 |
| gla55_ | buy some iphone or uiq or s60 or windowmobile device then | 20:06 |
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| gla55_ | or neo1973 (do they have the gsm+wifi version out?) | 20:06 |
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| shapr | If the neo1973 gsm+wifi is out, I want one! | 20:06 |
| Argiris | no.I wan't linux embed.Is a1200 programmable(and not only in java dev)? | 20:07 |
| gla55_ | but a1200 isn't really even a smartphone(due to locking the user out of the linux side) | 20:07 |
| pleemans | Argiris: check #openezx | 20:07 |
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| gla55_ | openmoko (neo1973) or greenphone are the only choices for you then really realistically | 20:07 |
| gla55_ | if you want linux, gsm and the linux to be exposed | 20:08 |
| Argiris | yea but I need a good mobile in the next 2 weeks!!!I can't wait.Is gphone under development???or gphone is just a fake joke? | 20:09 |
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| gla55_ | greenphone is quite real, but it's not really a consumer product | 20:11 |
| gla55_ | what is the reason you want it to run linux? | 20:11 |
| gla55_ | there really isn't a lot of linux phones out there, and even fewer that would be good buys or practical | 20:12 |
| Argiris | developing fun :) (I love developing java in mobiles but when I learned that are mobile with linux .......Yeehaaa) | 20:13 |
| gla55_ | some older windows mobiles can be flashed with some linux.. but wouldn't call it practical way of getting a phone | 20:14 |
| gla55_ | uiq+ personal java is a more practical route if you want something more than j2me.. | 20:15 |
| Tak|work | I'm with Argiris - if there were a linux-based cdma phone, I'd buy it right now | 20:16 |
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| b0unc3 | Neo1973 seems a good linux phone ... but it is still in 'developer prewiev'.. | 20:18 |
| * Tak|work grumbles about stupid US cell networks | 20:19 | |
| gla55_ | moto isn't exposing linux in it's phones that run it so thats unlikely route for a hacker friendly linux phone to appear | 20:19 |
| gla55_ | i don't dig neo1973's looks /form factor, or specs for that matter | 20:20 |
| * gla55_ is more of a practical guy than "it runs linux" | 20:20 | |
| pupnik | Microsoft made my life hell for too many years for me to ever forgive them. | 20:21 |
| Atarii | quick question, is there a clock taskbar app for IT2006? | 20:22 |
| * Argiris always loves to create in a platform and the same platform in the same time | 20:22 | |
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| gla55_ | pupnik: you were porting dosbox right? how fresh games were you running? like, any chance of '94 turn based game to be playable? | 20:24 |
| Tak|work | heh, "it runs linux" is what makes a device practical | 20:25 |
| Tak|work | (for me) | 20:25 |
| pupnik | you can get equivalent of an 8mhz 286 with vga and sound blaster | 20:25 |
| pupnik | maybe 10-14 mhz on a n800 - i don't have one | 20:25 |
| b0unc3 | Atarii: yes.. there is a statusbar plugin.. | 20:25 |
| pupnik | gla55_: i have identified the cvs change that breaks ega chained mode emulation on nokia/ARM - but i don't understand enough to find the problem | 20:26 |
| gla55_ | ok | 20:27 |
| pupnik | the dosbox gurus are looking at it though - it's a huge commit though - large rewrite | 20:27 |
| pupnik | Atarii: osso-statusbar-cpu i think - shows cpu load and time | 20:29 |
| Atarii | thanks b0unc3 and pupnik | 20:31 |
| Atarii | is there any way to unpack a released theme? so i can change the icons in it? | 20:32 |
| pupnik | dpkg -X <package>.deb . or on some systems dpkg-dev is required | 20:32 |
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| |R | Tak|work : Freedom is practical! Cheers to that :-) | 20:41 |
| wumpus | gla55_: yes, like transport tycoon has been ported to the n800 | 20:43 |
| gla55_ | wumpus: openttd yes, but it's a port not emulation | 20:44 |
| gla55_ | if there were a port of master of magic i wouldn't be intrested in dosbox running '94 games | 20:44 |
| wumpus | I don't think you can run an actual emulator on it | 20:46 |
| wumpus | it would have to really emulate the instructions instead of what dosbox does, provide a vm | 20:47 |
| Argiris | https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.a1200/frs.sample_package.38pclean .Now I am confused.Here is it the source code of moto a1200? | 20:49 |
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| alterego | Getting a lot of "unsupported syscalls" from the beta SDK .. | 20:51 |
| Argiris | Can I hack the n800 and have it GSM support???Where can I find hardware specification for n800 (electronic diagrams) | 20:53 |
| gla55_ | no you can't | 20:55 |
| Tak|work | hah | 20:55 |
| gla55_ | wumpus: dosbox does provice cpu emulation, thus it's ability to run on other than x86 devices.. | 20:56 |
| Argiris | gla55_ ,You are right.It will be "feng sui" damaged | 20:57 |
| gla55_ | Argiris: just buy a smallish bt phone and glue it to the n800 | 20:57 |
| wumpus | Argiris: unless you find a usb device that does gsm | 20:57 |
| wumpus | or yeah, bt of course | 20:57 |
| Argiris | bt? british telecoms? | 20:58 |
| gla55_ | bluetooth | 20:58 |
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| Tak|work | some kind of bluetooth device that does gsm...that sounds faintly familiar | 20:58 |
| Argiris | and why connect them with bluetooth and not just speaking with the phone? | 20:59 |
| gla55_ | of course that would probably be more preferable | 21:00 |
| alterego | O_O | 21:06 |
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| alterego | You want to make your N800 use a GSM connection because you want to use it as a phone? | 21:07 |
| alterego | Why don't you just use a phone? | 21:07 |
| |R | get an OpenMoko dude ;) | 21:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:07 |
| alterego | I'd be interested to know how easy they are to hack. | 21:08 |
| gla55_ | openmokos should be rather easy to hack.. thats the whole point of the project | 21:08 |
| gla55_ | to have everything open source | 21:08 |
| alterego | Well, I was thinking about the hardware. I wonder how easy it would be to flash it with something else. | 21:09 |
| alterego | I guess depending on internal storage space it might not really be necessary. | 21:10 |
| alterego | It looks kind of rubbish to me. | 21:10 |
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| pupnik | NOKIA, the world's largest mobile phone maker, said it would buy US navigation | 21:13 |
| pupnik | software maker Navteq for around $US8.1 billion | 21:13 |
| Tak|work | ($7.4 billion canadian) | 21:13 |
| pupnik | snrk :) | 21:13 |
| pupnik | it feels a little odd to me that a software company making basically one app... could be worth 8.1 bil | 21:14 |
| lardman | they also own the maps | 21:15 |
| lardman | one of only ~2 companies who do that stuff I think | 21:15 |
| lardman | at least I think so.... | 21:16 |
| pupnik | mhm | 21:17 |
| pupnik | do you use a map/navigator? | 21:18 |
| lardman | only maemo mapper occasionally | 21:18 |
| pupnik | those maps must cost money to make also | 21:19 |
| lardman | google pays the money... :) | 21:19 |
| pupnik | ahhh | 21:19 |
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| pupnik | so navigation-specific metadata is missing? like "second lane from right is the exit to brooklyn, rightmost lane is the rest stop" | 21:20 |
| lardman | they are simply bitmaps, no road data at all, the navigation is again done from a google online service iirc | 21:21 |
| lardman | the openstreetmap data is vector with metadata I think | 21:21 |
| lardman | ask onion about that | 21:21 |
| gla55_ | it's the rights to the data etc that matter.. | 21:26 |
| gla55_ | tomtom is looking to buy the other big map data company | 21:26 |
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| pupnik | does anybody with some experience with byte-order and alignment issues want to come into dosbox to talk with Harekiet? | 22:15 |
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| jpt9 | hey. | 22:34 |
| jpt9 | any chance anyone could compile gnu ed for the nokia? | 22:35 |
| jpt9 | it should only take like 5 minutes; it's incredibly tiny. | 22:35 |
| jpt9 | the source is here: | 22:35 |
| jpt9 | http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/ed/ed-0.8.tar.bz2 | 22:35 |
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| pupnik | in a bit jpt9 | 22:39 |
| jpt9 | okay. | 22:39 |
| jpt9 | no need to hurry. | 22:39 |
| jpt9 | amazingly, ed 0.8 was made *this August*. as in 2007. | 22:39 |
| Tak|work | did mud-builder ever achieve fruition? | 22:39 |
| * flip^ umms and errs more over buying a bt kb... don't really have 70 quid spare right now... | 22:40 | |
| * jpt9 wishes someone made a PS/2 or USB keyboard to BT adapter. | 22:40 | |
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| gla55_ | would probably cost almost as much as a bt kb | 22:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's odd that nobody has, jpt9. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though, I suppose, power might be an issue | 22:49 |
| jpt9 | yeah. | 22:49 |
| jpt9 | someone used to make a PS/2 to IR one for Palms. | 22:49 |
| gla55_ | to some extent.. and the real market would be quite small | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | True enough. | 22:50 |
| jpt9 | how about people who are too cheap to buy a BT kbd? | 22:50 |
| jpt9 | or have some old weird split/ergonomic keyboard that they want to be wireless? | 22:50 |
| gla55_ | bt->serial things tend to cost so much that they're mostly pointless for converting serial devices to bt | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not enough of those for economies of scale to kick in. | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Synergy works well enough when I'm at home. I just wish it weren't such a pain to toggle the pointer on and off. | 22:51 |
| gla55_ | jpt9: if you're too cheap to buy a bt keyboard at around 70 euros(apples seems to be 78 here) you're unlikely to buy an adapter for say, 40 | 22:52 |
| gla55_ | on desktop you can get rf non-bt keyboards quite cheap | 22:53 |
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| Atarii | damn, having problems installing UKMP | 23:02 |
| pupnik | pupnik's theme song from 1993.. http://pupnik.de/3NEU-FIB.MOD | 23:03 |
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| konttori | Atarii: what kind of probs | 23:09 |
| konttori | I'm pretty sure I can help you with it | 23:09 |
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| pupnik | jpt9: http://pupnik.de/ed_maemo.tgz | 23:13 |
| Atarii | konttori well it opens then closes again, and through xterm its says the error message about 'blah blah blah ImportError: No module named PIL' | 23:14 |
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| konttori | ahh... you have python 2.4? | 23:15 |
| Atarii | see thats the prob ive googled and found that to be the source of the prob, python, but i hav 2.5 installed | 23:16 |
| Atarii | just realised ir was your comments i was reading lol | 23:16 |
| Atarii | it* | 23:16 |
| konttori | Hmm.. then you need to have the *latest* python 2.5 ;) | 23:16 |
| Atarii | im pretty sure i have, i got it from the maemo python webpage | 23:16 |
| konttori | So, open application manager and press the update button. | 23:16 |
| konttori | recently? | 23:17 |
| Atarii | kk ill try that | 23:17 |
| Atarii | yea like 1 hour ago | 23:17 |
| konttori | oh. | 23:17 |
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| konttori | then, you should definately have PIL in it | 23:17 |
| Atarii | im reloaded after a flash | 23:17 |
| konttori | hmm... can you try out the ukmp 1.7 alpha? | 23:17 |
| Atarii | only have 2 applications installed: python2.5-runtime 0.4-8 and mediacenter 1.70 | 23:18 |
| zyxulnaga | the wireless driver corrupts random bytes in monitor mode | 23:18 |
| Atarii | and xterm | 23:18 |
| konttori | hmm... sounds pretty odd then. So, you have the 1.7 alpha, but it still won't use pil. | 23:18 |
| Atarii | yea | 23:18 |
| konttori | can you try the 1.6 series? https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2070/UKMP-1.621.deb | 23:19 |
| Atarii | i had it working before, just cant get it to work after i reflashed | 23:19 |
| zyxulnaga | I got some debugging data and how to reproduce the problem if anyone is in charge in here for the wireless blob | 23:19 |
| Atarii | ill try it | 23:19 |
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| Atarii | konttori, still doesnt work but slightly different error msg | 23:22 |
| konttori | kewl ;) | 23:22 |
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| Atarii | o nope still the name, do u think its a prob with python? | 23:23 |
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| konttori | sounds so very odd. | 23:23 |
| konttori | can you open xterm | 23:23 |
| konttori | type python | 23:23 |
| konttori | type: import PIL | 23:24 |
| konttori | notice the capitals | 23:24 |
| Atarii | No module named PIl | 23:24 |
| Atarii | PIL* | 23:25 |
| Atarii | Python 2.5 (r25:10186, Feb 22 2007, 16:28:13) | 23:25 |
| konttori | So, it seems like the current python does not include PIL. | 23:26 |
| konttori | So odd. | 23:26 |
| jpt9 | pupnik: thanks. it works perfectly. | 23:26 |
| jpt9 | now... i just wish I hadn't let my 770's battery die, as I'd love to play with it over dinner... | 23:26 |
| konttori | still, it says on: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html#components | 23:27 |
| konttori | that they do include PIL | 23:27 |
| Atarii | lol | 23:27 |
| konttori | I have to test that out tomorrow on my n800. | 23:27 |
| konttori | I'll uninstall python and reinstall it. | 23:27 |
| Atarii | is there an older build of python which will work? | 23:27 |
| konttori | I think they only provide the latest and greatest | 23:27 |
| luck^ | Atarii, I think this problem is related with repositories listed in your N800 | 23:28 |
| Atarii | 770* | 23:28 |
| konttori | Did you install from: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html | 23:28 |
| Atarii | yea | 23:28 |
| konttori | thought as much. | 23:28 |
| Atarii | base then installer | 23:28 |
| Atarii | u oh | 23:29 |
| Atarii | is that bad? | 23:29 |
| konttori | nope. that's the way to go | 23:29 |
| konttori | I'll check it out tomorrow. I'll then release alpha3 if needed. | 23:29 |
| Atarii | thanks | 23:29 |
| konttori | if you wan't to be notified, write me an email to urho.konttori@gmail.com | 23:29 |
| Atarii | i should be doing work anyways, but then heroes is on, and my 770 is so addictive | 23:30 |
| konttori | I'll then let you know once it's working | 23:30 |
| Atarii | kk will do thanks | 23:30 |
| konttori | k later | 23:30 |
| konttori | night. I'm off to bed now | 23:30 |
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| sp3000 | hrm, is presence expected to interact annoyingly wrt the packet data timeout / wlan autoscan | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | since configuring a gtalk acct it seems to want to drain my phone's battery perpetually with no apps open | 23:37 |
| sp3000 | everyone seems to be set at 10min | 23:37 |
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| renatofilho_ | hi guys, is possible using libosso or another lib or flag, know if the application is running on n800 or 770 HE? | 23:41 |
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| Tb0n3 | what possible improvements could I get by using 2007he? | 23:57 |
| pupnik | a nicer click sound when tapping screen | 23:58 |
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