IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-10-01

nokipupi don't see the resolution options for vncserver atm00:00
arjcheck that it's the client. Also what server? And what options?00:00
nokipupi could install any server00:00
nokipupyou have vnc5server?00:00
arjnot 100% sure, I use Xvnc at the command line00:01
arjit's realvnc00:01
nokipupi don't have that00:01
nokipupvnc4server says Version: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-2100:02
nokipupok installed00:04
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nokipupi can't connect to my nokia00:05
nokipupok need to set up vnc passwd00:09
nokipuprebooted nokia00:09
nokipupnow i need to find vnc password setting for vnc4server00:09
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nokipupit's different00:09
nokipuphow to set up account?00:09
arjjust a sec00:09
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arjyyou need a file like: ~/.vnc/passwd00:10
nokipupok it's there00:10
arjand the you use it using -PasswordFile ~/.vnc/passwd00:10
nokipupok how do i set the username/pwd?00:11
arjcan't remember how I did that :/00:11
nokipupwith the other server it's just vncpasswd00:12
arjthe pass is encrypted in some way00:12
arjI have vncserver here also00:12
arjbut you said that vncserver was working ok?00:12
nokipupno not on this machine - the other machine just died00:13
nokipupthe howto says it will prompt me for a passwd00:16
nokipupdolfun@white:~/.vnc$ vnc4server -geometry 800x480 -depth 16 :100:17
nokipupvnc4server: couldn't find "vncpasswd" on your PATH.00:17
nokipupdolfun@white:~/.vnc$ vnc4server -geometry 800x480 -depth 16 :1 -PasswordFile ~/.vnc/passwd00:17
nokipupvnc4server: couldn't find "vncpasswd" on your PATH.00:17
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arjok I'm trying vncserver now00:21
arjit works00:21
* arj hugs nokipup 00:21
arjthanks a lot man!00:21
arjyou don't know many times I've been so close to throwing the nokia because of that problem :D00:21
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nokipupit's pretty great imo00:25
arjvery, I run my media center using it :)00:25
nokipupit would be nice to have a 1920x1080 tv on the computer00:26
nokipup42" full HD will be under 1000 euro in a year or two00:27
arjit was just the -screen command I had added00:28
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nokipupEnders: ah00:45
nokipupehrm sorry00:45
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|Rdoes anyone know of a full aluminium case for the n800?02:13
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MikhoI just realized you'll have to be very careful when calling gtk functions in a multithreaded program03:09
MikhoI forgot about syncronization in one single gtk_combo_box_insert_text and it destroyed *everything* 50% of the time when the program encountered the function call03:10
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SenileBobHey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you're interested.03:47
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SenileBobHey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you're interested.05:04
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GeneralAntillesUgh, I'm really hoping the prototype photos of the slider aren't going to be anything like the final product.05:25
GeneralAntillesNot having d-pad on the outside is a pretty big usability-killer.05:26
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|RDoes the new BlueZ support in Maemo 4.0 means that in the near future we'll be able to use bluetooth headsets with VoIP apps? :D05:42
zerojaySomeone from Nokia said that if someone simply compiled bluez right now, we'd have AD2P working.05:43
|RAD2P is for headphones sinks only though righ?05:45
zerojayI honestly don't know.05:45
|Rok, i'm just over exited, i'll probably get my n800 tomorrow morning :P05:46
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zerojayHah.. I know that excitement well.05:46
zerojayEven 5 months later, I still have it.05:46
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|RI hope later this year i'll be able to pair it with an OpenMoko to share it's GPS ;)05:47
GeneralAntilles<3 Maemo Mapper05:47
GeneralAntillesUsing Google for that stuff was genius05:48
|RGeneralAntilles : can you use it as an archive too without a GPS? like d/ling the whole city and then just browsing it ?05:48
GeneralAntillesWorks great, too.05:48
|RHow much space does it take? :)05:48
zerojayDepends on the maps and detail levels you grab.05:48
|Ri live in Montreal... i'd probably grab the whole island, or at least half of it.05:49
GeneralAntillesMedium-sized city down to the finest detail is about ~150-200MB05:49
|Rok, should fit on any SD then :)05:49
|RI've read about SD corruption on a forum, is it still a problem?05:49
zerojayThere's a supposed hotfix being released on the 2nd to fix the memory card corruption issues when copying files to the external slot when the machine goes into power saving mode.05:49
GeneralAntillesUnfortunately, downloads much over 20MB tend to get bogged down and stall for some reason.05:49
zerojaySo be ready for that, JR.05:49
|ROk, well i probably won't have received any card by tuesday and will still be drooling over browsing while cooking or something ;)05:50
zerojayJust warning ya.05:50
|Ryeah thanks :)05:50
zerojayThe tablet is great. I was on my way home from work.. I left early when I was sick.. so I was listening to music on my way home and I get a block away from my place when I hear the "new message" sound.05:51
|RSo how exactly is this structured? you have a firmware with a boot loader (uBoot?) and then an image with the kernel and software (OS)... and once it's flashed you can use the rest of the card for what you want... building a new kernel is a no go because there are some binary kernel modules?05:51
zerojayThing picked up my wifi from that far away... it was awesome.05:52
|Rhaha cool :)05:52
GeneralAntillesThe ITs have the best wifi sensitivity I've ever seen.05:52
GeneralAntilles3g + Rhapsody in the car is the best.05:52
zerojayI'd do the same here, but Canadian data plans are incredibly expensive.05:52
GeneralAntillesSo I've heard05:53
|Ri hope i can get kismet / ssh / mozilla / SIP agnostic VoIP / ... working :)05:53
GeneralAntillesI'm on the $20/mo unlimited AT&T plan05:53
|RGSM in canada is a monopoly...05:53
|Ronly one company :(05:53
zerojayIf I'm lucky, 100MB for $100.05:53
|Rthe rest is CDMA05:53
zerojayI work for a cell phone gaming company.. and even we get ripped off.05:53
zerojayMakes it killer to test our games because of the transfers we have to do.05:53
|Rwe're getting mostly ripped off that's why i want a VoIP SIP phone and eventually find a way to ditch my cell :P05:54
zerojayI use a gizmo account.. well,, technically.05:54
zerojayI just use it with the RTCOMM beta.05:54
|Rzerojay : which one? i have too many people working in cell phone companies05:54
|Ri have an asterisk at home05:54
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|Rso i hope i can get my phone from home on the road ;005:54
zerojayI'm in a division of Ubisoft.05:54
|Rcompetitor of JamDat who was bought up by EA i guess05:55
zerojayJamdat was bought by EA, yeah.05:55
zerojayI know a few people that worked there or do now.05:55
|RDo they only have offices in Mtl ?05:55
zerojayWe're more a developer than a publisher like Jamdat though.05:56
|Ri had a friend work there for the summer05:56
zerojayNo.. they have several places all over.05:56
|Rworking on bjewel :)05:56
zerojayI couldn't ask for a better place to work.05:56
zerojayAside from all the phones.05:57
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|Ri hope you have a good eye insurance ;)05:57
zerojayIt's funny going into a cell phone store with a coworker and watching the clerks faces as we walk around pointing out phones... "Crap, crap, crap, horrible JVM, massively buggy, that's okay... oh shit, they still make these?"05:58
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|Rhaha :D05:58
GeneralAntillesCellphone stores are a joke05:58
zerojayI think we've got maybe 350 phones at work.. US and European.05:58
|Rhehe got an OpenMoko yet? ;)05:58
zerojayWe don't really get much of a choice over what phones we develop for.05:59
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zerojayOur publisher gets prereleases from Cingular, Verizon and others and asks us for blind builds for the phones.05:59
bmidgleyanyone playing around with the vmware appliance for maemo/bora?05:59
zerojaySometimes, we don't even know the resolution beforehand.05:59
|RI live like 10 minute walks from the main Ubisoft building here06:00
|Rbut the only person i've met from there was a sysadmin :)06:00
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zerojayI guess I shouldn't say I work for Ubi anymore.. our company was sort of a project of Ubi's, but just last week, we separated from them officially.06:00
|Rhehe ok06:01
zerojayIt's been a long time since I've been down to Ubi in Montreal.06:01
|RI was going to ask...06:01
zerojayI remember the original offices there downtown.06:01
|Rnow there a bit more north :)06:01
zerojayI forget the name of the street.. but it was near Guy metro.06:01
|Rthey're i mean06:01
zerojayAnd right downstairs from their office was a computer place selling PS2 modchips.06:01
zerojayYou have to have balls to do that.06:02
|Ri'm not very often in that part of time (except when i worked there at the begining of the year)06:02
|Rbut all the towers / offices are there so that makes sense :)06:03
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|Rwhere are you located?06:03
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zerojayI'm in Quebec City right now.06:03
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|Roh hehe, not too far :)06:03
zerojayNah, not too far from home.06:03
|RSo you're from montreal?06:03
zerojayYeah, it's my hometown.06:04
|Rhaha ok! i thought you were in the states, go figure ;)06:04
zerojayBeen here working since... Halloween 2005.06:04
zerojayEveryone in my office seems to think I'm from the US, heh.06:04
|RAre you working in french or english?06:05
|Rok :)06:05
zerojayAccording to the law, it's supposed to be all in French, but our head office is in NYC, so... not really possible.06:05
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|Rhehe yeah, being from montreal too i know ;)06:05
|RBut it's actually fun to work in a 50/50 environment06:06
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|Rif i could speak spanish, a 33/33/33 would be even more so haha ;)06:06
zerojayAlmost everyone here understands English well enough anyways, so it sometimes happens that I'll have conversations with people where I'm speaking only in English and they're in French.06:06
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|RIt would be pretty hard to get by with computers without understanding english06:07
zerojayWe had a Mexican guy running QA. What a disaster.06:07
zerojayNot because he was Mexican.06:07
|Rhaha :)06:07
zerojayBut he claims to be trilingual.. and he didn't seem to understand English, French or Spanish. :/06:07
|RYeah... last job i had at the beginning of the year...06:08
|Ri had a guy under me claiming to have an engineering degree from Dubai... in Computer Eng...06:08
|RI've never ever seen anyone this bad with computers working in the field06:08
|Ri couldn't believe it... and the guy was bullshitting all the way that he had qualifications06:08
|Ri've met better people at the beginning of high school!06:09
zerojayMy best friend was the head of programming.. and he let me see some of the tests we send out to people that want to work for us.06:09
zerojayUsually, it's one or two problems.. simple stuff.06:10
zerojayExcept that because we work on phones, we have VERY limited memory06:10
zerojaySo we have to recycle like crazy.06:10
|Rlot of Demo Scene fans ? ;)06:10
zerojayAt the top of the test, it says "DO NOT CREATE VARIABLES IN YOUR ANSWER"06:10
zerojay(We've got a few of those working with us. :)06:10
zerojay9/10 times, the very first line in their answers:06:11
|REver met a Dominic in Montreal?06:11
zerojayint i;06:11
|Rworking at DTI (doing plane games...)06:11
zerojayI've met a ton of them.06:11
zerojayCan't say I know him offhand.06:11
|RDecax by his alias06:11
|ROr Joanathan, the guy who organised Coma Demo parties...06:12
zerojayThat sounds familiar, actually.06:12
|RPretty small world...06:15
pupnikafkwould like to see a nice demo on the 77006:15
zerojayWould be a nice challenge.06:16
pupnikafki have source for a future crew demo here somewhere06:16
|RAnd a freakin' good marketing idea ;)06:16
pupnikafkbut.. x86, vga trix all of it06:16
|Rhaha go future crew!06:16
|Rsecond reality should be ported :P06:17
|Rgood luck though06:17
pupnikafki think some of them went on to work on Max Payne06:17
|RUhm, where are the hidden infinit fractal level with phong shading? :P06:17
pupnikafkxaos almost runs ok on the 77006:18
pupnikafkthe little fire mini-demo from the pc works nice06:19
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disqooh somebody said demoscene06:20
zerojayHardcore demoscene programmers are some of the best guys to hire in my line of work.06:20
zerojaySo long as you don't get ALL demoscene coders.06:21
zerojayOr else... surprise, your game feels more like a demo.06:21
pupnikafkyou do games for phones?06:21
|Rreal demo shouldn't make people want to touch keys, so you're ok :P06:21
zerojay"Why are the main characters waving all over the screen? Why are there shoutouts?"06:21
zerojay"BECAUSE IT'S COOL!"06:21
zerojaypupnikafk: Yeah.06:22
disq"what's with that sine scroll" :P06:22
zerojaydisq: Exactly. lol06:22
zerojaydisq: As if most phones could even handle that at decent speeds.06:22
|Rwell, 286 could! :P06:22
zerojayMost phones can't.06:22
zerojayEither because of sheer performance issues.06:22
zerojayOr bugs.06:22
zerojayBad, bad bugs.06:23
zerojayLIke the Samsung that always -1 from all FillRects.06:23
|Rhaha, replace the OS live! you can do it! ;)06:23
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zerojayWhat happens when you draw a rect with a width of 1? Well, you get fucking nothing, that's what.06:23
zerojayI can't remember which phone that was offhand.. a Samsung, maybe BREW.06:24
disqso you can't hline?06:24
zerojaydisq: Even that gets -1.06:24
disqah, width. i got it as height06:24
zerojaySo all over our code, we had to check if it was that damn phone and we just did number +1.06:25
zerojayI believe it was only an issue on the bottom and top parts of a fillrect.06:25
zerojayThe thickness of the rect line.06:25
zerojaySo you draw a rect with a thickness of 1.. and you get this   |             |06:26
zerojayThe Sagem phones that like to reserve color index 2 for a weird 50% alpha transparency...06:26
zerojayThat was cause for quite a few WTF moments.06:27
disqso you basically build your own framework to wrap the common api functions06:27
zerojayYeah, that's right.06:27
disqmy friends at a similar company here ("tikle", and here is turkey) did the same thing06:27
zerojayIts the only way you can port to other phones quickly enough.06:27
zerojayGameloft used to hire one programmer per phone.06:28
GAN800What kind of jokers do they have working at these phone companies? >_>06:28
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zerojayThey couldn't figure out how we were able to spend only $20 porting to a new Moto when they paid $2200.06:28
disqone coder per phone is a fun approach :)06:28
zerojayEven more fun about that approach:06:29
zerojayCompletely separate code bases per phone.06:29
|Ri know a guy there too... i'll ask him next time on which phone he is working :P06:29
zerojayOurs was one code base for all phones. We use #defines to set up the phone we want to build for and its stats (JAR size, etc..)... and that's that.06:29
zerojayjR: I think they stopped that six months ago.06:30
zerojaySo Gameloft would ask for our source for phone A and I would send them back the same e-mail telling them that the source for ALL the phones was the same.06:30
zerojayAnd they would say "that's not possible".06:30
zerojayFUCKING READ IT.06:30
zerojaySo yeah.. lol...06:31
zerojayMost of the time, we get a new phone in (either physically or at a different office) and within about 20 minutes with the basic specs, we have a running version of our games for it.06:32
zerojayMost of the time.06:32
zerojayOccasionally, we'll get a prerelease from Cingular for a week and it's completely retarded or something.06:32
zerojayGotta love Nokia.06:32
zerojay6230.. 6230i.. NOTHING IS THE SAME.06:32
zerojayNot even the resolution.06:32
zerojay3650 and 7650, stay the hell away from it.06:33
zerojayThe JVM's garbage collector *does not work*.06:33
disqdid they fix that in 6600?06:33
zerojay6600 doesn't have any problems like that. We support it.06:34
disqi had a 6600 for a while, first time they were around. then it was too slow for me and i switched back to s40 phones06:34
zerojayGotta love the 3220.06:34
zerojayOr as we call it around the office, the disco phone.06:34
disqthe clubber phone. it's dpad is uncomfortable though. i got one for mom a few years back06:35
zerojayThing has white plastic patches on the sides for lights to go off like you're at a rave.06:35
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zerojayWe discovered that the white plastic where the lights are also work extremely well as a pencil eraser.06:35
disqi have the 6021. a little thick compared to today's tech, but it's almost 2 years old06:35
zerojayLIke those white ones.06:35
zerojayI don't think we have the 6021 at work.06:35
zerojaylet me guess.. 128x128 screen?06:36
disqi'd like to get a thinner edge-capable nokia with a joystick but there aren't many options, they switched back to fucking dpads06:36
disqwell. not sure06:36
zerojayOur games are meant for 128x??? phones... and our publisher says "we need you to port for this Moto"... can't remember the model.06:36
zerojayI think it was a pay as you go.06:36
zerojayThing had a screen of 96x62 or something like that.06:37
disqyeah the 6021 is 128x12806:37
zerojayI remember we once got in this Samsung.. thing looked like a complete ripoff of the ipod nanos... but FAR smaller.06:38
zerojaySo small that the keys were only two on a row instead of the usual three.06:38
zerojayCost something insane like $800.06:38
zerojayWell, the guy that ordered it didn't bother checking on the phone before ordering it for us.06:38
zerojayI get it in my hands and find out the damn thing doesn't even have Java on it.06:39
disqtwo row keys.. i guess you had to change the key configuration on the games06:39
zerojayThere were no games.06:39
disqah, no java, ok06:39
zerojayThere was no way to run them. lol06:39
disqmissed it06:39
zerojaySo we just use it as an expensive paperweight.06:40
GeneralAntillesIt's amazing the crap that the cellular market spews out.06:40
zerojayDon't get Virgin Mobile phones if you can help it.06:40
zerojayThe standards that we usually have to follow say that the JAD file for our games must have a newline at the end of it.06:41
zerojayGuess what happens on the Virgin phones?06:41
zerojayThey puke all over the place when they see the newline.06:41
zerojayNokia N95.. great phones.06:42
pupnikafkwhat's the product life cycle of phones?06:42
zerojayBut we had a bug on them for a while.06:42
pupnikafk6 months? 9 months?06:42
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zerojay"Can't download the game, always says certificate error"06:42
zerojayTurns out that it didn't like the fact that we used a capital letter somewhere.06:42
zerojaypupnikafk: About that.06:43
pupnikafki expect a lot of this is due to time constraints06:43
zerojayMost likely.06:43
zerojayWe had a party at work when we found out Sendo went bankrupt a year or so ago.06:43
pupnikafkso most of your customers are OEMs? or do you have a games portal or what06:43
zerojayWe've got a publisher for our mobile games stuff. They get requests direct from the phone providers.06:44
zerojayCingular, Verizon, O2, Telefonica, etc...06:44
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zerojayThey tell us when some new phones are coming out, we build our games for them.06:45
zerojayUnlike console games where you sell a ton around your release and taper off... cell phone games can have much longer lifespans.06:45
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zerojayYou get lower returns monthly, but it's steady.. and there's always new phones to target.06:46
zerojayOur first game is going on three years now, I think.06:46
GeneralAntillesGot a website?06:47
zerojayIt's cute seeing our game designers thinking that phones can handle stuff like scaling sprites easily. Naive.06:47
disqthe 6300 looks like a nice upgrade to the 602106:47
zerojayGeneralAntilles: http://www.longtailstudios.com06:47
zerojaydisq: Pretty sure we have that one.06:47
GeneralAntillesLove Triangle? Haha06:48
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Our released games are mostly love/relationship themed (they were going to be sort of flirty and risque originally).06:48
zerojayUntil almost every phone provider told us that our games were "too hot" for them.06:48
zerojayEven Japan.06:49
zerojayAnd they have fucking tentacle penis monsters on daytime TV!06:49
zerojayEven our toned down versions were too much.06:49
zerojayIt was horrible.06:49
zerojayImagine... you've got this flirty little game and suddenly they tell you you can't even have the characters talk about kissing.06:50
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zerojayThey wouldn't even tell us what was wrong.06:50
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zerojayThey would just send our text back and say it was rejected.06:51
zerojayAfter 3 months.06:51
disqgah. this one too has a d-pad. i want joysticks06:51
zerojayAs a person that started off in QA and has probably played with almost every phone you've thought about, trust me, you don't want those little ball nub things that pass for cell phone joysticks.06:52
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GeneralAntillesI used my phone for making phone calls and sending data around06:52
GeneralAntillesMake it small, that's about all I want.06:52
zerojayWork is fun. Tons of bluetooth phones around... so you can play around.06:53
disqwhy, they're much more comfortable than using dpads. selecting something (clicking on something) with a dpad can be horrendous06:53
zerojayI sent every phone in the office the price is right theme song renamed to 1.mp3.06:53
zerojayIt spread like wildfire.06:53
zerojaydisq: Maybe in average use cases, you'd be right... but after 8 hours a day, neither one of them feel too good.06:54
disqyeah all i want is bluetooth+edge/whatever and normal battery life06:54
zerojayBattery life is a big problem at work too.06:55
disqif the n800 was a solid product (in terms of software and speed) i wouldn't even want it to have a phone book or a microphone/speaker06:55
disqi'd just pair it off and put it somewhere on my belt or something06:55
zerojayI hate getting a phone and finding it's 30 seconds away from death.. and every single socket on the entire floor is already being used.06:55
zerojayI find it pretty solid.. but then again, I've been using nothing but open source stuff for 7 years.06:56
GeneralAntillesN800 is great.06:56
pupnikWal-Mart forced Duke Nukem to censor some things - friend of mine was negotiating that06:56
disqi would suggest you keep spare batteries but with every brand there's a few different types of batt packs already06:56
GeneralAntillesJust managed to get together a UPnP server06:56
zerojaypupnik: You can't say no to them either.06:56
zerojaydisq: Yeah, there's just too much.06:56
GeneralAntilleswish I had trancoding or a hardware MPEG4 encoder, though06:57
disqit's just not phone-stable (sans the early s60 phones :P ) what if it crashes during an emergency and that kind of things worry me06:57
zerojaydisq: Yeah, it's not that stable.06:57
GeneralAntillesMeh, who cares about stable. It's not phone form-factor.06:57
GeneralAntillesI'm not walking around with my N800 on the side of my face.06:57
zerojayLike the N-Gage.06:58
disqif you want to replace it with your phone (use a bt-enabled dummy sim-box on your keychain instead) that stuff worries you. but yeah, i love my n800. hell i love my 770 too.06:58
disqsidetalking. lol06:59
GeneralAntilles770s make great couch browsers06:59
disqthat site rocks06:59
SenileBobHey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you have the skills and the time.06:59
SenileBobthe project involves home automation06:59
zerojaySenileBob: No offence, man.. but I'm not too sure I'd want to work for a guy with a name like SenileBob. ;)06:59
* disq hopes that nokia brings sidetalking back with the new tablet :P06:59
disqyeah, that could be the reason you didn't get much replies07:00
SenileBobits just a name guys...cmon :P07:00
zerojayA friend of mine was going through so much overtime at work that he said he had a nightmare that the Nokia hands were strangling him.07:01
zerojaypupnik: On the Nokia N-Gage and N-Gage QD, the speaker was on the side of the phone.. sort of like where the USB connector is on the N800.07:01
zerojaySo you had to hold it sideways.07:01
pupniki need a tentacle logo hack07:02
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SenileBobbut seriously, other than being scared to work for a Senile bloke named Bob, anyone interested in developing an app for the N800 for our company?07:02
zerojaypupnik: <-- exactly like that.. but slightly smaller. ;)07:02
zerojayYou had to hold the thing the same way.07:03
zerojayAnd Nokia made the priceless mistake in the first version of the N-Gage to put the cartridge slot UNDER the battery.07:03
zerojay"Hang on, I gotta unplug my PS3 before I can switch games."07:04
zerojayI think one of the artists has that next to her desk.07:05
pupnikSenileBob: Do you have a job posting somewhere?07:05
zerojay <-- now you know why it's called a RAZR.07:05
disqi'm wondering about a job posting too07:06
disqthough i'm not really interested in one-time projects. would take a maemo oriented job though07:07
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disqtoo many "though"s.07:07
SenileBobpupnik: no job posting, dont want a bunch of people applying who dont have the skills, such a waste of time that way07:08
SenileBobwe just need a developer who knows their stuff re: N800 application development, and can work with us to get something ready ASAP.07:08
SenileBobI have found in the past that its much easier to find the perfect developer in IRC channels dedicated to a device07:09
pupniknot a lot of europeans awake right now, btw07:09
SenileBobya, i guessed that when there was really no activity earlier on07:10
SenileBobI am used to workin around the various world times, coz I live in Australia where the people arent that easy to come by for the work we need done.07:11
pupnikall i do is port SDL games btw07:12
_MonkeySDL is, like, Simple DirectMedia Layer http://www.libsdl.org07:12
pupnikyou probably want someone who knows gtk/hildon well07:13
disqit's about home automation so they probably want a customizable/themable screen with buttons and preferences and has an API at the back to talk to07:13
SenileBobthe app we need developed is basically a touch screen interface for controlling your home, so needs to do a fair bit of 2d drawing, etc...07:13
SenileBobdisq: basically :)07:13
SenileBobbasically the app needs to read XML (with predefined button locations, sizes, and the path to the image files) and draw it on the screen, then communicate with the control system processor via wifi07:14
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GeneralAntillesWhat sort of home automation?07:15
SenileBobthe high end of the scale :)07:15
SenileBobwe would also like to turn the N800 into a dedicated control device - ie. kiosk mode with just our custom app running, and maybe a web browser.07:16
disqthen rebrand/sell the devices like the wireless security thingy (don't remember the name) did with the 770?07:17
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disqshould also make custom faceplates07:17
SenileBobrebrand not necessary, but always an option i guess07:17
SenileBobanyone got more info on that wireless security thingy? id be interested to see what they did :)07:18
pupniksounds like a simple project07:19
disqit was a product to scan wifi networks for "security flaws" (you know what that means :P )07:19
GeneralAntillesBiggest scam ever.07:21
MikaT_ /msg nickserv set unfiltered on07:21
bedboidoes anyone know how to disable the stupid "checking whether build environment is sane" in configure?07:22
bedboiit is so stupid07:22
bedboireally stupid07:22
dpb_why is it stupid? you want to build on a broken system?07:24
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SenileBobare my PM's getting through disq?07:28
pupnikif you're building a debian package you can add -nc to skip the clean07:28
pupnikneed to register your nick SenileBob07:29
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SenileBobyeah i just did, and now my pms dont seem to be getting blocked, but no replies07:29
SenileBobill try with u pupnik07:29
SenileBobget my msg?07:29
erstazihow is everyone doing? long time since I joined07:33
pupnikwe raised 1.2 million in a week! :)07:33
erstazipupnik: whom is we?07:33 :)07:33
GeneralAntillesGo Paul!07:33
erstazipupnik: looking07:34
pupnikYes, i'm excited to see 3rd quarter results07:34
erstazipupnik: but you are in Germany,...07:34
pupnikyep :)07:35
erstazipupnik: well, he shares a lot of my views, interesting that you mentioned him07:36
pupnikRon Paul would also help bring the german troops home07:36
pupnikThe internet loves Ron Paul :)07:37
erstazipupnik: I see, wikipedia tells me07:37
erstazipupnik: also, my Austrian roots tell me I would like his philosophies07:37
GeneralAntillesToo bad he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at winning. :(07:38
pupnikvegas betters upgraded him from 200:1 to 8:1.  I think giuliani is a 4:!07:39
GeneralAntillesGiuliani can burn07:39
GeneralAntillesMan's a goddamn fascist07:39
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erstaziwell, definitely Ron Paul's internet support is high07:46
erstazihighest youtube views and subscribers07:46
pupnikyep, and "Ron Paul" even beat out "Paris Hilton" for google searches a few months ago07:46
pupnikfeel free to join ##RonPaul on freenode for more chat07:47
GeneralAntillesSo, any reactions on the renewed possibility that that Nokia prototype might actually be the new IT?07:48
pupnikhow 'renewed'?07:49
GeneralAntillesthoughtfix evidently found some FCC docs indicating that it may not be just another smartphone as was assumed.07:49
pupnikno info here07:50
GeneralAntillesI think it's on that page.07:51
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disqdumb, dumb nokia. the 6300 has a headphone jack. guess the diameter. 2.5mm's08:26
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gnuiteAnybody familiar with the "Automatic Connection" stuff (source /usr/bin/, etc.) ?09:28
disqyou can implement that with libconic09:31
disqbut on maemo 2.x libconic is not distributed. i compiled it though and it's available in the garage repositories (and maemoscrobbler uses it)09:31
disqreal easy api to silently check if the device is connected or trigger a connection request09:32
gnuiteAny idea why might work with one instantiation of gnome_vfs_read_entire_file(), but not in another instantiation?  (Not in the same binary, but from the same codebase - just different versions of the code.)09:34
infobotgnuite meant: Any idea why might work with one invocation of gnome_vfs_read_entire_file(), but not in another invocation?  (Not in the same binary, but from the same codebase - just different versions of the code.)09:35
pupnikyou have libconic for 770?  nice disq - i will mention it on the acmonitor page09:37
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disqgnuite: no idea09:53
disqpupnik: it just compiles and works ok, didn't need any changes09:54
disq(it's a wrapper for libosso-ic* anyways)09:54
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b0unc3good morning...11:41
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pupnikhiyas... can i build a gtk app that needs cairo stuff?11:43
pupnikwb AD-N77011:43
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AD-N770good morning from Barcelona, sunny day here :)11:44
railkhi, i'm having probs with libgpg-error0... libgpg-error-minimal is installed and making libgpg-error0 install fail... both are needed by other packages11:46
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pupnikAD-N770: angband + SDL running here12:09
AD-N770pupnik: really busy nowadays, I would like spend time to find what is causing random segfault on my nethack port, but I don't know when I will be able to do that :(12:11
pupnikmaybe someone will come to rescue somday - how often does it segfault?12:12
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flip^angband on maemo? :o12:15
flip^anyone ported adom yet?12:16
flip^(which may not be open source, actually)12:16
Big_Bgood morning(~ugt)12:17
pupnikthe only real good roguelike port is AD-N770 's nethack, flip^12:17
pupnikbut if you have a bluetooth keyboard, tome and angband will work ok12:17
flip^the problem with the nethack port is that its graphical... i know its a graphical OS, but if i want to play one of the old games, i want it text and not scrolling12:20
flip^tbh, i want the original rogue :)12:20
pupnikhmm i don't see rogue in debian12:21
gla55_stylus control kind of needs gui12:21
pupniki want to play with left-hand dpad and RH thumb only12:22
flip^oh, i don't mind a gui. i might a graphical tileset and scrolling12:22
gla55_i'd rather have the normal character based tileset too12:22
gla55_fuck do i know what sprite is what :p12:22
* flip^ grins12:23
flip^yeah, I like letters12:23
* flip^ needs to find a reasonably priced, reasonable quality bluetooth keyboard that works with a N800 and N95, and is available in the UK... a tall order, or any thoughts?12:23
gla55_does it need to be pocketable too?12:24
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flip^Ideally, but I could live without that if absolutely necessary12:25
dnearydoes qgil ever come in here? It doesn't feel like it12:27
janiseen him few times in the channel..12:28
_MonkeyI haven't seen 'him', jani12:28
Jaffa_Monkey: seen qgil12:28
_Monkeyqgil was last seen on #maemo 13 days, 19 hours, 1 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: we have completed the upload and we are doing the last testing before announcing the release [Mon Sep 17 15:26:40 2007]12:28
AD-N770flip^: you can use the ascii tileset and the keyboard commands should also work on my nethack port12:28
Jaffadneary: So, that'd be yes :-)12:28
dnearyJaffa, jani: Thanks12:29
dnearyBut it also means "not very often"12:29
flip^AD-N770: does it come with the ascii set?12:30
pupniksound works! :)12:31
AD-N770flip^: yes12:31
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* flip^ peers12:31
flip^does scrolling go away at min zoom?12:33
* flip^ wouldn't have looked for Tileset in the Help menu ;)12:34
flip^i must admit, with an ascii tileset, it could warm on me some more :)12:35
AD-N770flip^: at min zoom you don't need to scroll on the map but scroll bars will be there12:35
* flip^ nods12:36
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pupnikbah 5 minutes12:43
flip^are all its dependancies on maemo already?12:43
flip^5 minutes?12:43
pupnikto build12:43
flip^impressive :)12:43
pupnikoop forgot to change section to user/games12:44
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* flip^ wonders how to launch it once installed 12:46
flip^not easily playable sadly, with the d-pad not providing direction control, but quite cool :)12:50
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Jaffabsdgames is already in MUD :-)13:16
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lardmanThat thread on itt about the new tablet is rather funny13:21
janiwhats the url ..13:22
lardmanwonderful sweeping statements about how Nokia shouldn't release new hardware until they do this, this and that with the software, etc.13:22
lardman is the start13:22
lardmanthe end is the best though, starts getting somewhat ranty (is that a word?)13:23
JaffaIt's enough of a word13:23
lardmanThe other thing I especially like is the 100word single paragraph diatribes against Nokia, I certainly can't bring myself to concentrate enough to read that!13:24
lardman1000 word even!13:24
lardmanoh well, enough entertainment for the morning - I was tempted to wade in, but I think it would just start a flame war :)13:25
lardmanzuh: About your headers, I don't know anything about those, sorry13:28
lardmankulve: Have you ever tried using dbg() when crashing the dsp kernel? I'm finding that I get a notification of a dbg message, but the data must take some time to be read from the shared memory buffer and the kernel is gone by then13:29
GeneralAntilleslardman, stay out.13:31
GeneralAntillesNot worth it. :)13:31
lardmanit is sooo frustrating though13:31
lardmanbut yes, you're right13:31
GeneralAntillesAll that I know, my cash is going to be out and ready the second CompUSA opens on release day for the next tablet.13:31
GeneralAntillesThere's an awful lot of Nokia haters on ITT13:32
lardmanfwiw, I'd be very happy with a new device with a keyboard13:32
kulvelardman: I think not..13:32
GeneralAntillesDunno why they bother sticking around.13:32
lardmanGeneralAntilles: Yes, malcontents I guess you might call them13:32
lardmankulve: It's a real pita :)13:32
pupnikkeyboard would = more buttonzors with would = happy puppy13:32
GeneralAntillesI really hope they don't remove the buttons off the outside, though.13:33
lardmanI used to program on the go on my Psions, would be nice to be able to do that on the Nokia (and the on-screen is not that easy to use)13:33
GeneralAntillesBe a horrible pain to have to open the slider to get to the d-pad13:33
* flip^ nods to lardman 13:33
JaffaA proper Psion-style rather than WinMob-style keyboard would be nice, though13:33
flip^its one of the reasons i want a bt kb, if i can find a decent one13:33
pupnikmy thinkouside stowaway works13:34
lardmanJaffa: yes, but it's patented I think...13:34
Jaffalardman: some bits of it are, certainly, yes.13:34
* flip^ wonders where to get a stowaway13:34
_MonkeyAmazon is, like, 357 now or something13:35
lardmanJaffa: It would need to be bigger, but then I'd be happy with a larger device, easier to see/use the screen13:35
Jaffa_Monkey: forget amazon13:35
_MonkeyJaffa: I forgot amazon13:35
* flip^ notes there seems to be a fair number of stowaway variations13:36
flip^ <- that one that will work on n800, anyone?13:37
pupnikif that dpad is easy to move back and forth it could be a winner13:37
* flip^ wonders what the difference between that and a Stowaway Sierra kb is13:37
pupniksierra has 4 rows13:37
gla55_flip^: sierra has numbers row13:37
GeneralAntillesAnybody have this one?
gla55_flip^: i'd much rather go with sierra13:38
flip^but still works?13:38
flip^yeah, i'd miss not having numbers13:38
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pupniki think i could use the dpad with kbd slid-out13:43
flip^i think i'd like arrow keys on a kb, and a dpad separate anyway13:46
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gla55_flip: i got the one you linked, works nicely.. it's just that missing the numbers row makes console use a bit painful for me13:51
flip^yeah, that's why i'm looking at a sierra one.. only a tenner more tho >.<13:52
GeneralAntillesToo bad the Sierra is ugly as all get out.13:54
flip^that said, my friends mock me enough as it is for the technology i carry around13:54
pupnikoh nice - Betrayal at Krondor has been released in its entirety as freeware!13:56
flip^Betrayal at Krondor?13:56
SenileBobHey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you have the skills and the time.13:57
pupnikamazing that one of the developers is on the ITT forums13:57
SenileBobthe project involves home automation13:57
SenileBobhey pupnik, sorry if my msgs get old :P13:57
flip^I vaguely remember seeing a hack somewhere that you could use to get a mouse pointer to appear permanently on a n800 (so it's usable with synergy, etc)... but i can't find it anywhere now :S13:58
pupnik  ^^flip^13:59
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flip^cheers :)14:00
GeneralAntillesMmmm . . . Synergy14:07
GeneralAntillesWhat a wonderful thing14:07
flip^yeah, shame at work my desktop PC is on a different network to wireless really14:08
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Veggenflip: That also destroys for these multimedia-discovery-things...14:09
Veggenwell. The applications doesn't find server via upnp to another network, do they?14:10
flip^ah, i don't use upnp stuff too often... that said, it finds a load of other machines on the wireless server (sadly, not offering anything interesting)14:11
Veggenflip: I have several services on my wired lan that can provide upnp-stuff...but my wireless lan is a different lan (for security reasons)14:12
* flip^ nods14:13
Veggenif I could only configure the servers myself, I'd be happy :)14:13
flip^I thought about port forwarding across a machine that can see both networks, but it seems like a lot of effort just for synergy14:14
Veggenbut they seem determined to find the servers themselves, no way to configure any extra servers that I could see.14:14
pupnikwoot SDLquake now playable fast on 77014:16
pupnikpipeline hooray14:17
JaffaWTF?! Someone keeps moving my bug reports to IT2007HE-garage14:17
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flip^does the bot in here keep track of links.... there's no way i can look at all the interesting links as they come through, but a digest of them later could be useful ;)14:18
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pupnikin irssi you can type /lastlog http .. there's also a channel log14:18
flip^yeah, lastlog picks up a lot of other junk that i don't want...i might make something that trawls over the channel log tho14:19
pupnikquake getting like 20 fps on N800 now14:20
GeneralAntillesI really hope we get 3d acceleration with the next tablet.14:21
* pupnik prays too14:21
disqi really hope we get 3d accel with the current one14:21
JaffaYou might (I wouldn't hold my breath), but then something else like video bandwidth will be crippled between the accelerator and the display14:21
disqand 20fps quake? should try quakeworld :P14:22
lardmandisq: me too, plus removal of the memory bandwidth issue14:22
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pupnikit's even playable fast on 770 now14:22
disqmem bandwidth can't be fixed without decreasing resolution but 3d is wired and ready just no drivers14:22
GeneralAntillesBeing able to play reasonably sized H.264 files would be great, too.14:23
lardmandisq: There are some actually, for the wrong kernel though14:23
disqanyway it's midday and i'm dying for some sleep. will get a nap14:23
disqyeah i heard14:23
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GeneralAntillesWish the bastards would port them. >_>14:24
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I imagine they have, just needs someone to pay them to release them14:25
lardmanit might be interesting to roll an older kernel & match the libc version they've used and see if it runs14:25
GeneralAntillesThat sounds incredibly difficult.14:27
lardmannah, I reckon it should be doable, would probably need to be an openembedded build though to make life easier14:28
lardmanthen the xserver could also be matched more easily14:29
lardmanis it generally possible to recover from a segfault? I'm wondering if the dsp kernel could survive a segfaulting dsptask14:30
lardmanThe SDK is for kernel version 2.6.1014:32
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lardmankulve: Do you have any ideas about how static variables in dsp tasks are handled by the dsp kernel?14:39
lardmankulve: I'm guessing that a block of memory is mapped for these variables and this is then freed when the task is unloaded14:39
lardmankulve: Just trying to work out what I might need to clean-up to get my task to exit cleanly and see if I can not take down the kernel when I segfault14:40
kulvelardman: sorry, no ideas about that either..14:41
lardmannp, I'll do some experimenting later on14:42
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Takdoes canola work with the scrobbler?16:17
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GeneralAntillesNot so far, Tak.16:31
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GeneralAntillesScrobbler's there, but I don't believe any software uses it yet.16:31
JaffaKagu does16:32
TakI see, thanks16:33
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pupnikscrobbler heh great name16:43
Takblame last.fm16:45
pupnikyou see the new quake build with XSP yet?16:45
Takno, I haven't16:46
Takhow is it?16:46
pupnikplayable fast on 77016:46
pupnikneeds to fix a couple of XSP glitches and UI steering issues16:46
flip^is there a screenshot of it anywhere?16:47
Takpupnik: very nice16:47
pupnikit looks like quake16:47
Takheh, there are going to be steering issues NMW16:47
flip^i was wondering how its controlled16:47
flip^on screen or d-pad16:47
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pupniki want the turn/look to be like a web-page drag, with some intertia - with stylus16:47
pupnikdpad would be wsad strafe/fwd/back16:48
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Takyeah, that's what I'd want16:48
pupnikhe was clever too - made the hardware keys modal - switch between several modes using menu key16:48
pupniki think the old quake for nokia was quake2, right?16:49
* Tak shrugs16:49
Takq1 makes more sense; more realistic with the hardware constraints16:50
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oelewapperkeany news on snes emu ?16:51
oelewapperkewhistle ?16:53
pupniktak, did you ever make a sdl onscreen keyboard?16:54
pupniki'd like to make something simple that has configurable button locations16:55
TakI'm one of those in the "I don't think that's a good idea" camp16:55
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oelewapperkewhere can I find FCE ultra nes emu ?16:56
Takhmm, how do I want to export a cert for import into 770?  (der x.509, b64 x.509, pkcs7)16:56
Takor does it matter?16:56
Takoelewapperke: or
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ttuttleI just woke up to a 770 with ugly vertical stripes on the screen.17:43
ttuttleNokia says I can just mail it to them and, as long as there's no physical or water damage, they'll fix it and mail it back.17:43
ttuttleBut they don't ask for an RMA, and they said I can mail it in just a padded envelope.17:44
ttuttleThat sounds like a recipe for disaster.17:44
ttuttle(Anyone here?)17:44
pupniksearch the forums for return and rma - what country are you in?17:46
pupnikmine had that for a whiel17:46
pupnikbut then i cried and it got better17:46
ttuttleDo they still have 770 repair parts?17:47
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pupniki dno17:48
GeneralAntillesHehe, I would hope so.17:48
Jaffattuttle: sounds like the classic 770 "WSOD"17:51
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ttuttleJaffa: It's not the WSOD, it's stripey.17:52
ttuttleI called PALCO, they say they do repair 770's.17:52
* pupnik writes an o(n) vkbd :/17:53
alteregoBuilding all these packages for all the different architectures is getting tedious.17:53
* alterego writes some scripts :)17:54
ttuttleAnyone sent a 770 in for repair in the US?  How did it go?17:55
alteregoIf there's one thing I know. When Chinook gets released. Ruby Maemo will be ready :)17:55
ttuttleDoes Nokia usually repair screens without complaint, assuming they're not cracked?17:58
alteregoIt sounds like the screen is still working.18:00
alteregoHave you tried flashing the device?18:00
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ttuttlealterego: Well, it's working, but there are vertical stripes that shouldn't be there.18:01
ttuttlealterego: No, it's most definitely a hardware problem.18:02
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alteregoIs that a no you've not tried reflashing it?18:02
ttuttleOh, should I flash back to a supported version before I mail it in?18:02
ttuttleI have not tried reflashing it.18:02
alteregoYou should try18:02
Jaffattuttle: like ?18:03
ttuttleLoading image over slow wireless, please wait...18:03
alteregoAt least, it's worth a try. It'd be a bit silly to send it off without at least trying all you can do yourself ;)18:03
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ttuttleJaffa: Sorta, except it's dependent on the image displayed.  If the image is all white, there's no stripes.18:03
ttuttleJaffa: There is still text underneath the smudgy lines.18:04
ttuttleok. i'll try flashing...18:04
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pupnikalso remove battery for a while and then put back in18:05
pupnikhi red-zack18:06
_Monkeyhi red-zack are you an old kanotix/sidux user?18:06
alteregoYes, that's a good idea too.18:06
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zoranI have a question regarding setting bash as a default shell during sturt up; 770 and os 200618:18
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zoranat leas there is a file names osso-xterm.desktop18:24
zoranhm, I just typed chsh and got a respornd18:26
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zoranah, I read this link, thank you; doesn't work18:28
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zoranI have installed bash as /usr/bin/bash18:29
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alteregoHmm ..18:29
alteregoAnyone here using Chinook?18:29
zoranprobably have to change shells to have it in one line18:29
alteregoI can't find /etc/others-menu has that location changed?18:29
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alteregoAh ..18:31
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zoranI cannot boot it with changed shell18:37
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zoransomebody knows the place where to find 2006- 39?18:40
zorank, I have freebsd and something called flasher-2.018:42
zoranand 77018:43
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zoransomebody could help me to reflash the device?18:47
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zoranhm, where I could find the number for my device; it should have 12 numbers18:50
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TakControl Panel -> Device18:51
Takor in the battery compartment18:51
alteregoOr on the box18:51
alteregoThe instructions are right in front of you ..18:52
zoranuh, I have to turn cookies on18:52
zorank, passed with cookies on18:53
alteregoThis is weird. I can't connect to my N800 anymore :/18:54
zoranthe lattest is 3-4918:54
alteregosshd is running :/18:54
zoranalterego, do you see it via ping of nmap?18:55
zoranmaybe ap is down?18:55
alteregoOh dear .. The whole device seems to be going funny :/18:56
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zoranit shoud be connected to wifi ap and seen by nmap
alteregoYes zoran, I'm well aware of what it should be doing thank you.18:57
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zorank, folks, have bin file of 2006-49; I need flashing docs, probably19:02
zoranflasher should be 2.0 or 3.0?19:03
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zoranb0unc3, what it is called, 2006.49?19:05
_Monkeyhmmm... gregale is something else entirely19:05
zorandunno, really19:06
zorannot bora19:06
zoranscirocco is 3919:06
b0unc3gregale and similiar is the code for the sdk... not for the firmware image..19:06
zoranI need it for flasher; 2.0 or 3.0 ?19:07
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zoranand apps, of course19:07
zoran3.0 could be bora, but n800, I think19:07
b0unc3use flasher-2.0 for the ITOS0619:07
zoranthis surprised me, almost heartattack19:08
zoranI have it19:08
zoranwould it work on freebsd?19:08
_Monkeysomebody said maybe was a good idea19:08
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zoranhm, the link goes to 40419:09
alteregoTry google ..19:10
zoranfound, my mistake19:10
zorank, should I turn 770 on before typing command?19:11
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zorank, flasher should be 75519:14
zoranwhat about bin file?19:14
alteregoIt's almost like there's a firewall running on the N800 :/19:15
zoranalterego, there is iptables, but for another purpose19:15
alteregoiptables isn't installed zoran.19:16
alteregoAnd I know what it does.,19:16
zorank, :)19:17
zoranhave to try with linux emulation19:17
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alteregoThat's interesting ..19:17
alteregoSilly me ..19:18
alteregoI was logged into a remote network .. Obviously I wasn't able to login to a machine on my LAN O_O19:18
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pupnikhey unique31119:32
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unique311pupnik taking a look at xbmc...19:33
pupnikpingus and bos wars are still untested on n80019:33
r-lol internet.19:33
pupnikxbox media center?19:33
unique311i was playing around with it on my xbox19:33
unique311and notice lots of the scripts are in python...19:33
unique311very usefull scripts too.19:33 i think19:34
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unique311xbmc for linux is also available....*checkout*/xbmc/branches/linuxport/XBMC/README.linux19:34
unique311theirs a gl version and a sdl19:35
unique311not too sure about the size...seems big, very.19:36
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_Monkeyprivet, satd20:01
pupnikhmm broken a21p thinkpad up for auction... maybe i could fix mine with it20:02
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satdneed help with N77020:03
satdany pros in here?20:04
alteregoJust ask your question satd20:04
satdtrying to install taskmanager20:04
pupniki only charge 2 euro per answer20:04
satdunable to install20:05
satdrequire package python2.4-gtk2 and pthon2.4-hildon20:05
alteregoThen install those packages first.20:06
satdi installed python 2.520:06
satdwhere do i get those packages..20:06
_Monkeyit has been said that google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too20:06
alteregogoogle has all.20:06
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
alteregoAlternatively, you could possible force the install and see if the package works with the latest release.20:06
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alteregoOr ..20:08
alteregoYou could give up, start crying and become an alcoholic.20:08
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alteregoHmm .. I really need to figure out how to just run the last phases of dpkg-buildpackage ..20:10
pupniksatd: if you have root access you can apt-get install those packages20:10
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alteregoCompiling the packages from scratch again gets annoying,.20:10
pupniksee the gronmayer link above to check the repository they are in20:10
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satdwhat is root access?20:14
_Monkeyhmmm... openssh is to big for embbeded devince (just sbz's opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ...20:14
alterego_Monkey, bullshit :P20:15
_Monkeyalterego: what?20:15
alteregoYou heard.20:15
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alteregoHmm .. Now to back port my new maemo4 hildon bindings to work on N800 and N77020:16
alteregoBut first ..20:16
* alterego takes a shower20:16
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_Monkeybecomeroot is a quick howto to become root here  and more information is here
satdi done that already....20:24
satddidn't know it was root access20:24
satdjust took it as red pill blue pill20:24
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t_s_ohmm, i keep wondering what kind of expectations people have from a portable device20:25
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sp3000hrm, the url field doesn't really work that way :\20:51
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zoranhm, what maemo repository could I use for 3.2006.49-2 ?21:19
zoranscirocco or gregale ?21:19
pupniki have gregale and mistral21:20
zoranI bricked 39 version21:20
zoranin this moment I found I forgot all I did previously21:20
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zoraneven names of the os21:21
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pupnikfor dosbox games you can add this repository and apt-get install original dos games onto the tablet21:26
pupnikor maybe dpkg -i ... if the sections are messed up21:27
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erstazijust thought I would join as well21:44
infoboterstazi meant: Maemo-madness21:44
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pupnikbusybox vi suxks21:58
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pupnikVideo: Quake 1 on the N800
pupnikactually quake 2 is about as fast23:03
pupnikwhat dis?23:06
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pupnikbetter vi?23:07
[31d1]bsd nvi23:07
[31d1]way better than busybox vi and not all big and sloppy and halfported like vim23:08
flip^quake *and* quake 2 on n800?23:08
pupnikawesome [31d1]!  way smaller than vim thanks!23:08
[31d1]i don't know how to make .debs though23:08
pupnikbah... who needs em23:09
t_s_o <- well that was "unexpected"23:09
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zuhflip^: It's not like you'd actually want to play those on it though... ;)23:09
[31d1]i just put in ~/bin as vi and ln ~/bin/vi ~/bin/view23:09
pupnikwith some ui work they could be good - need to have intertial stylus-push view rotation23:10
zuhflip^: Terrible controls for a FPS. Try the Doom port and you'll see23:10
[31d1]only unexpected behavior that nvi has, is that is does have infinite undo, but not by pressing 'u' repeatedly23:10
[31d1]you press 'u' once and then '.'23:10
[31d1]to repeat undo23:10
zuhpupnik: You'd still want a decent pad for movement IMO, aiming would be nice with stylus though23:11
pupnikaiming will be fixed23:11
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flip^who's doing the porting?23:12
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pupnikyou made my day [31d1] i hated installing that 8 MB vim package23:14
[31d1]heh, thx - i'm with you on that23:14
[31d1]i never use all the fancy stuff in vim anyway - i guess it's possible to compile a tiny-vim, but nvi is much crispier imo.23:16
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pupnikyou can make it smaller by running the 'strip' command  433461 -> 378412 bytes23:18
[31d1]on nvi?23:20
[31d1]strip - Discard symbols from object files.23:21
[31d1]don't you need symbols?23:21
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pupnikto debug23:23
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[31d1]far out23:26
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