IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-09-22

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pupnik_Monkey: pentagram is an open-source game engine to play Origin System's "Ultima 8 - Pagan" role-playing game.  It is still in development - svn ports available at  http://pupnik.de/pentagram.html00:27
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.00:27
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saaibmhh.. what is the source problem when trying to start the 770, then the Nokia logo displays, the scrollbar move a little and then it turns off00:39
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pupnikmaybe corrupt fs00:40
saaibbattery was full last time I turned on successfully00:40
saaibsee, now that i try to turn it on it doesn't even show the nokia logo00:40
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saaibremoved battery, re-connect it, plugged in the power connector cable now it shows the battery charging icon00:45
saaibman, what a mess00:45
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saaibdoes anyone knows if invernation is enabled in the 770 kernel?00:47
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saaibI turn it on and it immediately showed the two hand and starting sound screen00:48
saaibno scrollbar or nokia logo00:48
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pupnik12-16 fps walking with mouse :)00:52
pupnikawesome...00:52
[31d1]did you put weird stuff in your .profile?00:52
[31d1]saaib ^00:52
saaib[31d1], no, I haven't mess with .profile or any other file, I was looking at a video, then i closed the video player, and while the main screen I turn it of00:53
[31d1]:( sounds not-so-good00:54
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saaibso, what do you do when you won't be using your 770 or 800? turn it off or just cover the screen?00:54
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[31d1]i usually just cover the screen00:55
[31d1]depends on how often you use it00:55
saaibonly at nights (except today)00:55
[31d1]i'm always sshing into it and messing with it so i dont turn it fully off a lot00:55
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bearclaw_is there a doc on how to add menu entries?00:57
[31d1]was your battery low when you turned it off - some reports about turning it off when battery is low causing trouble00:57
saaib[31d1], before turning it off I saw the battery icon as "full"00:58
[31d1]ok then not that00:58
sp3000bearclaw_: menu?00:58
bearclaw_where all aps go01:00
sp3000http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html01:00
bearclaw_what I want to start is a qt app01:00
[31d1]you can moe stuff around in control panel01:00
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saaib[31d1], what you mean move stuff around? I just launched control panel01:01
[31d1]task manager i think01:01
[31d1]that was for bearclaw_01:02
saaib[31d1], hehe ok :)01:02
[31d1]sry saaib i have no further ideas - if i were you i'd be trying to reflash01:02
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saaibhow mature is 2007HE to use it in a 770?01:03
bearclaw_aha ok a .desktop with an exec entry is enough01:03
saaib[31d1], about the low battery issue, what's the problem and how to solve it?01:05
[31d1]i feel like they said you turn it off and let it charge for a couple hours before trying to turn it back on01:06
pupnikgood LORD it's even fast with scale2x01:07
pupnik9-14fps01:07
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SE-Wilco2Is there an IRC client with text-to-speech output?  I suppose I could pipe the text IRC client to flite.01:29
pupnika simple way would be to turn logging on, then tail -f logfile | flite <whatever>01:30
SE-Wilco2Good point.01:31
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SE-Wilco2Gaim doesn't seem stable on OS 2007, so I might have to pick a new client anyway.  At least logging is a nearly universal option.01:32
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alteregoSE-Wilco2, why aren't you using Pidgin?01:44
SE-Wilco2I've had bad luck with Pidgin on Windows and Pidgin is still marked Beta with installation difficulties on N800.  I've been using Gaim for years.01:45
SE-Wilco2s/Windows/MS-Windows/01:45
infobotSE-Wilco2 meant: I've had bad luck with Pidgin on MS-Windows and Pidgin is still marked Beta with installation difficulties on N800.  I've been using Gaim for years.01:45
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SE-Wilco2s/bad luck/crashes/01:52
infobotSE-Wilco2 meant: I've had crashes with Pidgin on Windows and Pidgin is still marked Beta with installation difficulties on N800.  I've been using Gaim for years.01:52
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alteregoOffical Announcement: Ruby/Maemo: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/projects/ruby-maemo02:20
alterego:)02:20
pupnikhice02:21
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alteregoNow to read up more about SVN :)02:23
alteregoI'm loving it so far ^_^02:23
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pupnikvery nice to have new people contributing stuff, alterego02:40
pupnikdon't be disappointed if the response isn't overwhelming - it's a small community compared to pc-land02:41
alteregoYeah, I know :)02:41
alteregoBesides, I'm not sure my server could handle any significant load ;)02:41
alteregoLets hope I don't get slashdot'd ^_^02:41
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jufodoes anyone know what is the status of maemo webkit port?02:48
unique311ruby...02:50
alteregoRuby!02:50
unique311was hoping the monkey had a response to it..02:53
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alteregomonkey?03:03
_Monkeysomebody said monkey was a not-very-smart bot03:03
alteregoAh, monkey ..03:03
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pupniklol, just checked out the first computer RPG game i played in 1980 -- What cost $34.99 in 1980 would cost $93.69 in 2006.03:09
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unique311alterego: did you add your debs to the garage?03:14
alteregoNo,03:14
unique311downloading them pretty slow03:14
alteregoI'll looik into it.03:15
unique311k03:15
unique311probably being downloaded by alot of people right now.03:15
unique311lots of lurkers in here..03:15
alteregoWhat's the rate you're getting?03:16
unique3117Kb.s03:16
alteregoUrgh :/03:16
unique311usually in the 40003:16
unique311rubyforge has lots of little apps i want to see if they compile with your release..03:17
alteregoCool.03:18
unique311being a newly addict to sudoku03:18
alteregoUnfortunately, rubygems is _extremely_ slow, In fact, I wouldn't use it at all on the devices.03:18
alterego:)03:19
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unique311i'll see how sudoku goes...03:19
unique311alterego: guess this message means it needs Qt?03:24
unique311rsudoku.rb:3:in `require': no such file to load -- Qt (LoadError)03:24
alteregoYes03:25
alteregoMaybe you could port it to hildon ;)03:25
alterego /gtk :)03:25
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DeformatiBlarg.03:30
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SE-Wilco2pupnik: Is that the eBay price of that RPG game?03:36
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pupniknah it was the original sale price in 198003:50
pupnikadjusted for inflatino to 2006 figures (and that number is in reality about 20% too low)03:50
pupnikwhat happened with gimp/gimpshop unique311 ?  is someone working on it?03:52
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unique311no...03:56
pupnikok03:56
unique311i was told by the guys at #gimp it would never work.03:56
pupnikheheh03:56
unique311plus only like real old versions of gimp would run on the n80003:56
unique311so they didn't want to bother..03:57
pupnikdid you show them a screenshot?03:57
unique311yes03:57
pupnik:)03:57
unique311new version would compile but not run03:57
pupnikah03:57
DeformatiWhy not?03:58
unique311never bothered with it to find out.03:58
unique311it would crash after the splash03:59
unique3112.0 ran03:59
unique311video on youtube still03:59
pupnikyeah... just curious03:59
pupnikdid you look get any menu items repositioned for touchmegames?04:00
pupnikit needs a quit button :)04:00
DeformatiHmm.04:01
DeformatiThe 770 uses the gnueabi, correct?04:01
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DeformatiSomeone answer?04:07
nelsonnot yet they haven't.04:08
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DeformatiWhat abi does it use now?04:08
nelsonAnybody know if there's a way to associate the camera opening signal with a different program than GChat.04:08
nelsonDeformati: no idea.04:09
SE-Wilco2For some reason when the Camera program is running then opening the camera does not seem to waken GChat.04:10
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DeformatiHmm, google says OS2006 uses eabi, but that makes no sense since gcc 3 does not have eabi.04:12
DeformatiUgh.04:12
* Deformati is pissed off.04:12
pupnikstrange there's no xmkmf / imake in gregale..04:21
alteregoIt's in gconf04:21
pupnikhmm ty04:22
pupnikso i installed gconf2 gconf2 (2.6.4.15-osso4) . libgconf2-6 (2.6.4.15-osso4) libgconf2-dev (2.6.4.15-osso4)04:23
pupnikmake: xmkmf: Command not found04:24
pupnikand there's no "imake"04:24
pupnikso what do i do?  change the build system of my app'?04:26
pupnikhah, just use xmkmf/imake from the host system... seems to work04:33
pupnikwith a bit of backtracking afterwards04:33
pupnikalterego: any comments on this?04:34
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alucardo_6666i have a big problem about aircrack.. i execute the "aireplay-ng" in the xterm in my n770 , and this " not found " some idea?05:14
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pupnikbuilt tmw_0.0.23-2_armel.deb05:19
pupnikalucardo_6666: i think it is not included05:19
alucardo_6666ok Thank you pupnik05:20
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alucardo_6666pupnik you not have the  tmw_0.0.23-2_armel.deb =P ?05:21
alucardo_6666xD srry i need try..05:21
pupniki just built it05:23
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pupniksomebody made it already?05:24
alucardo_6666"impossible install , packake incompatible"05:24
alucardo_6666T,T05:25
pupnikwhere did you get tmw?05:25
alucardo_6666http://ftp.gnuab.org/pub/debian-hurd/pool-armel/main/t/tmw/05:25
alucardo_6666i download , but this package is no compatible05:25
pupnikwow nice05:25
pupniki didn't know there was an armel05:26
pupnikmine will work i think05:26
alucardo_6666T_T i really need the suck aireplay.. im need search more :S05:26
pupniksearch #maemo logs, and internettablettalk.com forums05:27
alucardo_6666ok , i search , tnx again pupnik05:27
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pupnikafkThe Mana World is a free online role-playing game...  http://pupnik.de/tmw_0_23_nokia_770.jpg07:27
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pupnikafk... and ya don't stop07:28
iballyou got mana world working on the IT?!?!?!07:28
pupnikafknetwork problem right now - can U help?07:28
iballprobably not...but what's theproblem anyway?07:29
pupnikafkd/n connect to account server07:29
pupnikafkit connects to the update server and downloads updates07:29
iballthat you, ArnimS?07:29
pupnikafkthen i see a07:29
pupnikafkyes07:29
pupnikafkthen i see a CLOSE_WAIT on the server connection07:29
pupnikafkand no error in the log07:29
pupnikafkso i'll probably have to wait until i can work with one of the core devs07:30
pupnikafkdo you have a n800 iball?07:30
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iballexcellent..hello.  I see you've been busy lately porting over apps....hmm...have you wiresharked it yet to sniff the traffic?07:30
pupnikafknot yet07:30
pupnikafki don't know the code well enough to learn much anyway07:30
iballrun wireshark on a PC/Mac that's hooked up to a hub connected to both your internet connection and wi-fi AP and filter it for theIP address of the IT so you can see EXACTLY what's happening on the wire.07:32
pupnikafkyeah good call07:32
iballI don't have  a hub here and no layer 3 switch to setup a monitoringport on or I would take a stab at it for you.07:33
pupnikafkhold a minute and i can get the stuff uploaded07:34
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iballhow is xu4 working out?  Is it "compatible" with the xkb you used for DOSBOX U4?07:35
iballGoing to load up Pentagram as soon as my U8 download finished.07:36
iballanyone here know EXACTLY how to get the RTCOMM beta working right with Asterisk PBX?07:37
pupnikafkhttp://pupnik.de/tmw.html07:39
pupnikafkhaven't played with xu4 in ages - always use the bt keybd for that stuff07:40
pupnikafkyeah i only had time to test pentagram for a few minutes07:40
pupnikafkbut it's wicked fast07:40
pupnikafkno comparison to exult07:41
iballHey Arnim, I see you "skipped" Ultima 6.  Any reason?  There's code out there for it.  http://nuvie.sourceforge.net07:43
iballpentagram is faster than Exult?!?!  Or are you saying xu4 is faster?07:43
pupnikafkpentagram is way faster than exult07:44
pupnikafki have nuvie compiled here but i don't remember what didn't work with it07:44
iballlooking at the progress page it seems it's not finished yet.07:46
iballMy favorite trick...07:46
iballHow to kill Lord British07:46
iballFind, buy, steal or dial up a GLASS SWORD. (Item #48)07:46
iballWait until Lord British is asleep in bed at night.07:46
iballDo not wake him, or he will kill you.07:46
iballNow, creep up to him and ATTACK him with the GLASS SWORD.07:46
iballSteal his stuff and take the Throne. That's fixed the bastard!07:46
pupnikafkheh i remember reading about that07:50
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pupnikafknuvie / ultima 6 running now07:59
iballholy crap, you got it running?!?!07:59
pupnikafkyep07:59
iballI just installed TMW now...07:59
pupnikafknuvie has a lot of sloppy stuff that needs fixing up though08:00
pupnikafkbut it runs08:00
iballwhat's the command to run TMW?08:00
pupnikafkoh oops08:00
pupnikafk/usr/games/tmw08:00
iballit runs...downloads the data08:01
iballargh....lemme get my BT keyboard out08:02
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iballTMW works!08:03
pupnikafk?!?!08:04
pupnikafkawesome08:04
iballInstead of trying to login as an existing character I just created a new one....I'm in the castle starter room now...moving around with BT arrow keys08:04
pupnikafkare you on an n800?08:04
iballyup08:04
iballmaybe that's it?08:04
iballYou should try adjusting the screen size or something...08:05
pupnikafkyou clicked register to set up a new character?08:05
iballyup08:05
pupnikafki did - 800x480 fullscreen08:05
iballregister to setup a new character...try it on your N77008:05
pupnikafki did08:05
pupnikafkare some of the graphic elements below the bottom of the screen?08:05
iballnope...the full-screen key pops the little map on and off08:06
pupnikafkoh that doesn't work08:06
iballd-pad works for controlling the character08:06
pupnikafkhmm08:06
pupnikafkdid you put the config.xml into ~/.tmw, or did you start without it08:06
iballI staerted without it08:06
iballstarted without it08:07
pupnikafkok maybe that was the problem here08:07
iballmaybe that's the problem?08:07
pupnikafkyou can change 'screen' to 1 in config.xml to get fullscreen08:07
iballah, great minds....actually, I plain ol' forgot about the config.xml file08:07
pupnikafkdo you get any sound with the default config?08:07
iballtook a screenshot...I'll look to see if it created a config.xml file08:07
iballno sound08:07
iballmenu key pops up the inventory08:08
iballescape key pops up the "Do you wish to quit" dialog08:08
iballwhich I did to make sure it works...it does08:08
pupnikafkyeah we might need onscreen buttons for some commands08:09
pupnikafkthanks for testing!  that made m y morning08:09
iballmorning?  You must be in Europe....it's 8 after midnight here08:09
iballwhat email address do I send my screenshot to?08:09
pupnikafkhttp://pupnik.de/fbk.html for the addy - don't post it here pls08:10
iballok, check your email08:13
pupnikafkhows the scrolling speed? pretty chunky framerate?08:14
iballit's pretty damn fast!  I'm impressed!08:14
iballabout as fast as the PC/Mac cersion!08:14
iballversion!08:14
pupnikafknice08:14
iballok, remove the config.xml from your page....it auto-generates one08:15
pupnikafkhave you played tmw before?08:15
iballplayed it a little on the mac weeks ago when I first said in the forums someone should port it over08:15
pupnikafkif you know how to play, i'd appreciate your help in working out the bugs and stuff08:15
pupnikafkok :)08:15
iballI know how to play08:15
iballthe auto-generated config.xml file is EMPTY08:16
pupnikafkgreat - i'll fix up the debs so they work with app manager and then try to figure out what buttons to map08:16
pupnikafkyeah that's what i saw, so i figured i had to copy one in08:16
pupnikafkbut - apparently not :)08:16
pupnikafkright - thanks for your help - let me know what buttons you want mapped please08:16
pupnikafkdrop it in an email - i have to run now08:17
iballI'll let you know as well as dropping off a copy of my TMW.log to give you more detail08:17
iballHere's a tidbit of the log file...08:18
iball[05:01:32.35] State: CONNECTING08:18
iball[05:01:32.35] Memorizing selected character Nonya08:18
iball[05:01:32.35] Trying to connect to map server...08:18
iball[05:01:32.35] Map: new_3-1.gat08:18
iball[05:01:32.35] Network::Connecting to 81.161.192.4:512208:18
iball[05:01:32.52] Network::Started session with 81.161.192.4:53208:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Protocol: Player start position: (29, 28), Direction: 108:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: 9708:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: b008:18
iball[05:01:32.69] Unhandled packet: 8e08:18
iball[05:01:32.71] Sound::fadeOutMusic() Fading-out (1000 ms)08:18
iball[05:01:32.71] ResourceManager::release(graphics/images/login_wallpaper.png)08:18
iball[05:01:32.71] State: GAME08:18
iball[05:01:32.71] Window::Window("")08:18
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iballstill no sound though08:19
iballheh....flood08:19
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ScisserFeindHello?08:29
ScisserFeindNoone is here?08:32
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ScisserFeind^U08:37
ScisserFeind?08:37
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JaffaMorning, all11:14
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BadRobothi there11:19
BadRobotIs there any N800 user in here?11:20
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JaffaBadRobot: wassup?11:51
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* pupnik tasers the channel12:11
Jaffa"Don't taser me, dude!" (or whatever it was he said)12:13
pupnik:) internet memes...12:14
pupnikof course, tasers have killed several people so far12:14
pupnikso it's not non-lethal12:14
pupnikwhat's so wonderful about information and open source12:18
pupnikis that the 'tragedy of the commons' does not apply12:18
pupnikyou can create something, and it is forever an asset to humanity12:18
pupnikit can not be diminished by use12:18
pupnikonly increased12:18
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alteregoHmmm ..14:43
alteregoHaving trouble with the chinook beta SDK :/14:43
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rcknighthello16:38
_Monkeyhey, rcknight16:38
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cbx33hi all16:38
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DeformatiI am confused.16:55
DeformatiIf armel was introduced in gcc 4.1 how is gcc 3.4.4 included in scratchbox?16:55
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zuhDeformati: The gcc maemo uses is 3.x + loads of patches from CS17:12
DeformatiAh.17:12
DeformatiI see.17:12
DeformatiWell that is interesting.17:12
DeformatiIs there any particular reason that 4.x is not used?17:13
zuhI dunno, probably not.17:13
DeformatiHave you ever compiled onboard gcc?17:14
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zuhGCC on target machines to me seems like a ridiculous waste of time so no :)17:15
DeformatiNot if I want to fool around wherever I am.17:16
DeformatiA lot of people use lisp and java on target machines.17:16
DeformatiWhy not D?17:16
zuhor Python...17:16
_Monkeypython is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org!17:16
zuh_Monkey: Shut up17:16
_Monkeyzuh: excuse me?17:16
DeformatiYeah, another good example.17:16
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cbx33man i love my n80017:17
cbx33was great on holiday17:17
cbx33watching movies17:17
DeformatiWell.17:21
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DeformatiPython is a little different I guess.17:22
DeformatiBecause you need the python interpreter to use apps it made.17:22
DeformatiBut whatever.17:22
_Monkeywhatever is fun for you.  More power to ya17:22
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iballYo, Arnim, you out there?17:37
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trevarthandoes the maemo rss reader support ssl?17:42
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trevarthani'd like to use it with my trac site.17:42
janinot 100% sure but i have a feeling that the old download code didnt support ssl ..17:43
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janilatest trunk we have uses gnome-vfs for all the downloads so atleast in theory ssl might be supported in future atleast.17:44
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janithats in theory thou..17:45
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trevarthanmaybe i should modify my server to allow non ssl connections.17:47
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DeformatiHmm.18:09
DeformatiI am wondering.18:09
DeformatiCan I get an armel cross compiler working without scratchbox?18:09
DeformatiBecause scratchbox does not work on my os.18:09
janiwhich os that is ?18:09
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Deformatiarchlinux18:11
DeformatiIt doesn't have proper kernel modules.18:11
Deformatierm18:11
DeformatiFeatures18:11
DeformatiAnd I don't want to recompile my kernel.18:11
DeformatiI am currently using scratchbox via dual boot.18:11
DeformatiBut that is no fun.18:11
cbx33why no kernel recompile?18:12
DeformatiBecause.18:13
DeformatiI don't like custom kernels.18:13
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cbx33hehe18:21
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janiif its the same thing as with fedora ..18:23
janithere was just one parameter to set in kernel that does not require recompilation of kernel ..18:23
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janijust echo something > /proc/something else .. dont remember what it was thou anymore, too long time since i setup my fedora box ..18:24
DeformatiWhatever.18:28
_Monkeyrumour has it whatever is fun for you.  More power to ya18:28
DeformatiI still don't like scratchbox.18:28
DeformatiIt is yuckyugleh.18:28
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dortodo people have any favourite UPnP servers to work with N800?18:56
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dortoNero didn't work for me but Windows Media Player 11 is streaming quite well..19:01
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ysssI use TVersity19:11
ysssworks alright with Media Streamer19:11
dortoysss, ok, thanks.19:11
* dorto going to try TVersity now19:11
ysssThe thing is, for N800 the video needs to be transcoded19:12
ysssand i don't think you can seek transcoded streams.19:12
dortowhat if I share N800 compatible videos in TVersity?19:15
dortothat should be fine right19:15
unique311http://www.msdewey.com/19:22
unique311hot19:22
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unique311actually got hits for unique31119:23
unique311she disrespectful19:23
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unique311's19:23
unique311that chick has an attitude..wonder if it works on the n80019:23
* Deformati is bored.19:25
DeformatiAnd I still cannot compile onboard gcc.19:25
unique311check out ms dewey19:25
unique311she entertains19:26
DeformatiNah.19:26
unique311flash really sucks on the n80019:27
DeformatiHas anyone ever compiled onboard gcc?19:27
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cbx33flash does suck on the n80019:34
Thanatermesiswhy flash sucks on n800 ?19:37
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dortoflash movies from the websites don't play smoothly on N800 but play good enough once downloaded/fully cached19:41
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Thanatermesishum19:42
Thanatermesisnot exist a patch for that flash thing ? i think that i have see something about a "patch" for it somewhere19:42
disqnot likely, it's not open source19:43
dortoplaying flash movies improved with the new ITOS update but is still not completely smooth they say19:44
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kpelhi all19:54
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ysssdorto: stil there?20:02
ysssdorto: yeah, there's a setting in TVersity to auto-determine the client device and set wether the video needs to be transcoded or not.20:03
ysssdorto: i don't know whether that actually works or not. All my media files are higher rates\resolution than the N800 can handle.20:03
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cbx33when was the latest n800 binary released?20:05
cbx33and what new stuff does it bring?20:05
fer__Hi20:06
fer__Has anyone got  "unionfs" to work on a recent fw release on the 770 or n800 ?20:06
fer__do you have the kernel modules?20:07
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Thanatermesiscan anybody tell me if /boot on n800 contains anything ?20:26
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Thanatermesisi have nothing on /boot20:30
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TPC~ $ ls /boot/20:30
TPC~ $20:30
infobotrumour has it, $ is a dollar sign20:30
Thanatermesisok20:30
Thanatermesisim trying to put the initfs_flasher thing for 2º boot option (for boot from the mmc card) but i get a error20:30
Thanatermesiscut: initfs/etc/initfs_version: No such file or directory20:31
Thanatermesis!!! unkown initfs version, cannot install bootmenu20:31
ThanatermesisCannot find initfs.bootmenu.jffs2, something faild, nothing falshed20:31
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ekim|irchttp://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2007/09/nokia-n800-how-to-activate-secret-built.html20:36
ekim|ircIs this only in the n800 ?20:36
Thanatermesisno idea ? ok... i think that's time to edit the scripting files...20:37
ekim|irchuh ?20:39
Thanatermesisekim|irc, sorry, im talking about my before question20:40
ekim|ircI just got a verizon usb evdo modem20:42
ekim|ircis  there any way I can use that with my n77020:42
ekim|ircalso...where is the n770 microphone located ?20:43
ekim|ircI know it has one20:43
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iballAFKThe EVDO modem is for your laptop?  I know with Mac OS X it's simple to configure the built-in wi-fi on the laptop to act as an access point, but with Windows...meh, it's a pain.20:45
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Thanatermesisuh, oh... that looks bad20:47
Thanatermesismy initfs seems EMPTY after a error trying to install it (disk full)20:47
Thanatermesisi think that if I reboot the n800, it can't boot anymore20:47
ThanatermesisTPC, can you help me ? i need to know what looks like my initfs, can you do that and paste me the result on http://paste.debian.net ?   mkdir -p tmpinitfs ; mount -t jffs2 -o ro /dev/mtdblock3 tmpinitfs ; ls -R tmpinitfs ; umount tmpinitfs20:50
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Thanatermesismmh... i think that i have a 'dd' of that partition..21:02
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saaibmorning all21:04
saaibI'm trying to add the canola repo for the 770, but the provided url does not exist. Dows anyone knows a working one?21:05
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ThanatermesisPlease, can anybody tell me if doing that, has a list files (and dirs) for result ?   mkdir -p tmpinitfs ; mount -t jffs2 -o ro /dev/mtdblock3 tmpinitfs ; ls -R tmpinitfs ; umount tmpinitfs21:13
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saaibThanatermesis, it should return a list of directories and files, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?21:16
Thanatermesissaaib,21:16
_Monkeysaaib, are you familiar with the debian way of things? (:21:16
Thanatermesis<Thanatermesis> uh, oh... that looks bad21:16
Thanatermesis<Thanatermesis> my initfs seems EMPTY after a error trying to install it (disk full)21:16
Thanatermesis<Thanatermesis> i think that if I reboot the n800, it can't boot anymore21:16
saaib(unless the user you're running the shell can't create a directory or mount directly the device into the directory)21:17
Thanatermesissaaib, you can be root ?21:17
saaibThanatermesis, there is a package for becomming root in the shell21:17
Thanatermesissaaib, yes... i mean you, you need to be root for make this command21:17
saaibThanatermesis, that's correct21:18
Thanatermesissaaib, try if works:  ssh root@localhost21:18
Thanatermesispassword: rootme21:18
_Monkeyi guess rootme is the default pw?21:18
Thanatermesisyes21:18
saaibi don't have ssh enabled, but i'll run the console21:18
Thanatermesisyes but... you need to be root :/21:19
Thanatermesis_Monkey, can you have a root terminal ?21:19
_Monkeythanatermesis: i haven't a clue21:19
saaibI understand, still I can run 'su'21:19
Thanatermesissaaib, yes but i don't think that you can be root without ssh21:19
Thanatermesissaaib, try:  sudo gainroot21:20
Thanatermesissaaib, help me with that and i help you with canola ;)21:23
Thanatermesis_Monkey, do you have installed ssh or dropbear ?21:24
_Monkeyno idea, thanatermesis21:24
saaibThanatermesis, I'm installing ssh...21:25
Thanatermesissaaib, thx21:25
disq_Monkey: who is _monkey?21:25
_Monkeysomebody said i was the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now21:25
disq_Monkey: forget i21:25
_Monkeydisq, I didn't have anything matching i21:25
Thanatermesisheh :P21:26
Thanatermesis_Monkey, exec: apt-get install dropbear21:26
_MonkeyThanatermesis: huh?21:26
Thanatermesis_Monkey, spank yourself21:27
_MonkeyThanatermesis: huh?21:27
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iballpacket analysis sucks21:28
iballnothing quite like telling a customer that the reason his network is "slow" is because almost all of his 100+ users are using eDonkey and Bittorrent as well as YahooIM and AIM.21:28
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saaibThanatermesis, that's correct, i see the filesystem21:29
Thanatermesissaaib, dropbear is sufficient for ssh:  http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?dir=./&file=dropbear_0.48-0.1_armel.deb21:29
Thanatermesisoh21:29
Thanatermesissaaib, hurm... then i have removed all that partition :/21:29
Thanatermesissaaib, what kind of files you see, for example ?21:30
saaibThanatermesis,  what were you trying to do?21:30
saaibThanatermesis,  I see the whole file structure for the filesystem21:30
Thanatermesissaaib, i have tried to flash my initfs for have a 2º boot option, but due to a error of "disk full" i think that original initfs now is empty21:30
iballI would get ssh from the command line using apt-get rather than installing dropbear....why go with dropbear instead of ssh?21:30
Thanatermesisaparently if i shutdown the n800, it don't boots anymore21:31
Thanatermesismy GF is looking me with killing eyes21:31
saaibThanatermesis,  oops! not good21:31
saaibiball, you mean dropbear instead of openssh?21:32
iballthat's why I keep a Para-Ordinance Warthog .45 ACP handgun on my desk.21:32
sbzThanatermesis: you have seen, e17 works on n800 ;)21:32
iballyes, why dropbear instead of openssh?21:32
Thanatermesissaaib, http://paste.debian.net/3775421:32
Thanatermesisthat's what i have21:32
sbzThanatermesis: (you are a french user of e17 if i remember me)21:32
Thanatermesissbz, yes, i have seen that ;) exist any repo with e17 ? i don't want to compile it... no time21:33
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Thanatermesisiball, idk, seems more small21:33
sbzno for the moment, rasterman just test as a Proof on Concept, but he will enjoy for the future21:34
iballOh yes...I guess not everyone is booting from an 8GB SDHC card.21:34
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sbzThanatermesis: http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-n800-1.jpg & http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-n800-2.jpg & http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-n800-3.jpg21:34
Thanatermesisyes, i ahve see the shots :)21:34
Thanatermesisiball, im on a 4GB sdhc21:35
sbzreally good news21:35
Thanatermesisyes21:35
Thanatermesisi can do tests too in the future... when i found a bit of time to play with :)21:35
sbzsame for me21:36
iballwell, 4GB should be plenty of space.  Last night ArnimS recompiled "the mana world" and for some reason he wasn't able to get it running but it ran fine on my N800....a graphical MMORPG and it runs FAST.21:36
Thanatermesisyou have a n800 or a 770 sbz ?21:36
Thanatermesisiball, any screenshot of this game ?21:37
Thanatermesissbz, do you have a n800 ?21:37
Thanatermesiswell... let me try to dd the image of this partition to see if works...21:37
sbzThanatermesis: yes i have21:38
iballThanatermesis, let me throw a screenshot of it running on my N800 up on imageshack....one problem though:  when I try to force it to launch full-screen on the N800 it errors out, but it runs fine in windowed mode21:39
iballhttp://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7628/tmwonn800ba5.png21:39
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sbzyeaaaaaaah it's look like RPG soleil on megadrive :D21:40
iballthere's no sound yet but ArnimS is working on it.  Hopefully he'll fix the full-screen mode as well.21:40
Thanatermesiscrap... the dd not has work, strange :/21:40
Thanatermesisi have just proc, sys, and tmp dirs, empty's21:41
iballsbz, it's an MMORPG...I can see all the other players on the net running around killing things.  As far as I can tell it's the first port/recompile of one like that done for the IT...luckily ArnimS has a 770 and I have an 800 so we can debug them on both platforms at the same time21:42
sbziball: about your skins for maemo, you've created it or get on the web ?21:42
iballand it's FREE as in beer21:42
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iballI just replaced the big three icons with others someone else resized for the IT21:42
iballsearch in ITT forums for the "hack"21:42
iballother than that it's the default N800 theme21:42
sbzokay21:42
saaibsbz, r17 works on n800?? aah! I want it for 770, thats my wm on my desktop and laptops21:43
sbzs/r17/e17, yeah rasterman (the core developper of e17) try it on his n80021:44
Thanatermesissaaib, can you show me what exact files you have on it ?21:44
saaibThanatermesis, I didn't run an 'ls -R', instead I did find tmpinitfs -type f | wc -l and I got a lot of files21:46
Thanatermesisaha21:47
Thanatermesisthe strange thing is that my dd image not has work.. that not has sense21:47
saaibdoing : ls tmpinitfs, shows the bin boot dev etc lib linuxrc mnt proc sbin sys  etc21:47
Thanatermesismyabe because i have n800 and you a 770 ?21:47
Thanatermesissbz, can you try me that thing ?21:47
Thanatermesissaaib, aha, i don't have all those thing21:48
Thanatermesiss21:48
sbzyes what ?21:48
Thanatermesiswait21:48
Thanatermesissbz, mkdir -p tmpinitfs ; mount -t jffs2 -o ro /dev/mtdblock3 tmpinitfs ; ls -R tmpinitfs ; umount tmpinitfs21:48
saaibThanatermesis,  you might want to do a: find tmpinitfs -type f -print , instead of the ls command, so you can have better space usage21:50
Thanatermesisand other partition than /dev/mtdblock3 just don't mount21:51
sbzThanatermesis: it's work good21:51
Thanatermesissbz, files ?21:51
sbzThanatermesis: you want the output ?21:52
Thanatermesissbz, yes, show me it on http://paste.debian.net21:52
Thanatermesissaaib, nothing21:52
sbzso, wait a minute21:55
Thanatermesisok21:55
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Thanatermesissbz, forget the paste21:59
sbzThanatermesis: http://paste.debian.net/3775521:59
Thanatermesisoh21:59
Thanatermesisexact.. i don¡'t have those things... removed!22:00
Thanatermesissbz, can you send me a copy of all those files ? wait..22:00
sbzyou want an archive of my / ?22:00
Thanatermesisdd if=/dev/mtdblock3 of=dd.img22:01
Thanatermesisno, just the dd.img  file22:01
Thanatermesisand... a copy of that dir, a tar of it22:01
sbzyou want a prefer block size  ? (-bsize) or not ?22:02
Thanatermesisi think that just the "dd" is ok22:02
Thanatermesisbut is strange that my dd image that i have backuped some days ago... don't works :/22:03
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sbzokay, i don't compress with gzip to avoid error on integrity, you can get it here : http://katanux.free.fr/tmpinitfs.tar22:05
Thanatermesisthank you sbz22:08
saaibThanatermesis, so... do you have any idea how to setup the canola 770 repo?22:10
Thanatermesissaaib, not exactly, but tell me what's the exact problem, i don't have tried canola yet22:10
Thanatermesisi want first to boot the system from my SDHC 4GB card for made on it antying22:11
saaibThanatermesis, I have a 770, and want to install canola, the canola web site has a 770 repo url which does not exists anymore...22:14
saaibWhat is the current method to install canola in a 770?22:14
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Thanatermesissaaib, try:22:15
Thanatermesisdeb http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/repository/770 mistral user22:16
Thanatermesisdeb http://repository.maemo.org/ mistral free non-free22:16
saaibThanatermesis, the first one doesnt work22:16
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Thanatermesissaaib, i have obtained those repos from maemo.org, and seems like its for the "mistral" branch, but i don't think that you aare using mistral22:20
saaibThanatermesis, i'm using mistral22:20
sbzThanatermesis: with n800, i ougth to use bora repository22:20
saaibsbz, do you know by any change if the n800 binary works with 770?22:21
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sbzi don't know saaib i don't try22:22
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rittyan2Hi, has anybody experienced segfault when python app which uses glade, reparents its gtk menu to hildon window menu? It happens if I remove "New" or "Save" or "Save as" from "File" menu and try to expand it then... when they are present it doesn't happen22:40
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Thanatermesis    $MYDIR/mkfs.jffs2 -r initfs -o $1 -e 128 -l -n22:52
Thanatermesislooks like my n800 don't has mkfs.jffs2, on what package is this file ? anybody has mkfs.jffs2 command ?22:53
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TPCwell, in a normal debian install its in mtd-tools22:57
iballThanatermesis, give me a minute to find hte link to the tools22:58
Thanatermesisthx iball22:58
iballhttp://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/22:59
iballIt's fanoush's tools for initfs to boot from SDHC22:59
iballit's in that tgz file23:00
Thanatermesisiball, you have do the flashing /dev/mtdblck3 partition thing ?23:01
Thanatermesisoh.. is on the dir23:02
Thanatermesisiball, i have removed the contents of /dev/mtdblck3, do you know how to recover it ?23:02
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erstazigstreamer?23:06
_Monkeysomebody said gstreamer was a smoking pile of cow poo.23:06
erstaziok23:06
Thanatermesis|]~[| ssh root@192.168.64.3423:06
ThanatermesisRead from socket failed: Connection reset by peer23:06
ThanatermesisWTF ¿?23:07
erstazithe wifi dropped on ya23:09
erstazireset the connection23:09
iballno idea on how to recover it23:09
iballThanatermesis, what exactly are you trying to do?23:10
Thanatermesisiball, i have lost the contents of my /dev/mtdblk3, i need to recover it now (or put the new one that give me to boot from MMC)23:10
iballno idea, head on over to Google to search for recovering a Linux partition or just rebuild it and reinstall apps/firmware if it's not critical23:11
Thanatermesishum23:12
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pupnikaf1hi23:18
_Monkeybonjour, pupnikaf123:18
Thanatermesisok, im TI-RED23:19
Thanatermesistime to flash that thing23:19
erstazihi pupnikaf123:21
pupnikaf18/nick pupnik23:21
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pupnikheh23:21
erstaziheh23:21
* erstazi always does that23:21
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erstazihello geaaru_23:22
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erstazipupnik: have you ever installed gstreamer on OS2006?23:25
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Thanatermesishttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/23:26
Thanatermesisi supose that this is what i need23:26
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Thanatermesisi supose that this flash the entire internal disk correct ? not just the /dev/mtdblk423:27
Thanatermesisiball, ?23:27
iballWHat I usually do is flash the the entire device with the latest firmware and then immediately go about setting it up for external boot, that way my internal flash boot is always clean.23:28
iballArnimS, you here?23:28
iballpupnik, you get the emails I sent you?23:28
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ThanatermesisProduct ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code.23:31
ThanatermesisWTF ?23:31
Thanatermesisiball, where you get the lastest firmware ? from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php ?23:31
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iballthat's the place23:31
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pupnikiball: yes23:31
Thanatermesisoh wait, that's for 77023:32
iballfix the full-screen and sound problems with mana world yet?23:32
pupnikjust saw your 800x600 error...!23:32
iballhere:  http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php23:32
Thanatermesisthx23:33
iballthat's where you get the latest firmware23:33
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iballpupnik, so what's causing that?23:33
pupnikchecking right now23:33
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Thanatermesis86 mb of firmware... looks good23:34
Thanatermesisiball, i hope that flash all the partitions of the disk of the device... if not, when i reboot it can't boot anymore because the /dev/mtdblk3 is EMPTY!, that's the partition of the BOOT (initfs)23:35
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iballPlug in USB calbe and press power and home key at the same time while powering up....then use the Linux flasher tool or the Windows flasher tool to reflash the device23:36
iballthat should fix it23:36
pupnikheh i screwed up all my fonts on 77023:36
iballMeh, I found that the built-in default fonts were good enough...what did you do?  Bad TTF?23:36
Thanatermesiswhat is the home button ? the one in the bottom of the front part ?23:36
pupniki don't know - too many changes to track23:37
pupniki have a new deb that fixes the 800x600 problem but keep the old deb around, as the new deb might be causing the connection problem23:37
iballthrow me the new deb and I'll try it out right quick23:39
iballi've still got all the original debs saved in a separate folder23:40
pupnikyou do network admin for a job? or customer support?23:40
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iballnetwork engineer....folks call me in when it all goes to hell or they need a major upgrade or installation done23:41
Thanatermesiscorrect... it don't boots anymore :/23:41
* Thanatermesis trying to flash now...23:41
iballthe home button is the one with the house on it23:41
Thanatermesisok23:41
pupnikiball: http://pupnik.de/23:44
pupnikiball: http://pupnik.de/tmw_0.0.23-3_armel.deb23:44
iballok, I see you didn't increment the number on the deb file....23:44
iballoh yes you did...nevermind..grabbing it now23:45
pupniki cheated and just renamed the deb23:45
Thanatermesiswell... booted :)23:46
iballpupnik, it runs in windowed mode fine...testing full screen now23:47
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iballpupnik, it works just FINE in full-screen mode.  Wow, you ported over the first graphical MMORPG to the internet tablet.23:54
iballthere's a little lag once in a while, but it's still playable.  The lag might be only on my end though since I am running Mauku with three web windows open and my Mac is downloading a tv show via bittorrent23:54
pupnikgood to hear23:55
* flip^ looks in as a relative newbie23:55
Thanatermesisbtw this firmware looks better :)23:55
iballnow, what about getting sounds to work?23:55
flip^pupnik: now much of your software will work on a n800?23:55
iball:)23:55
iballI'm never satisfied...get sound working!23:56
kpeliball: which game are you talking about?23:56
iballa new one ArnimS/pupnik just ported over...."The Mana World"...more info on the game itself:  http://themanaworld.org/23:57
iballpupnik, you might want to throw an in-game screenshot up there23:57
iballin addition to the login screen23:57
iballpupnik, also change the binary on the tmw page you setup from the -2 version to the working full-window -3 version23:58

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