IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-09-20

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rittyan1	Hi, can somebody help me with creating of a *.desktop file for maemo? I've never did it before... when I do '/bin/sh /media/mmc2/flashcards/flashcards.sh' it all works, but when exactly the same thing put into "Exec" field of desktop-file, it doesn't... I'm asking because I have no idea how to debug it	00:08
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pupnik	can a desktop work with a .sh script?	00:13
pupnik	maybe the X-Osso-Type= is mismatched?	00:13
pupnik	port/timer.c: In function `read_rdtsc':	00:13
pupnik	port/timer.c:35: error: impossible constraint in `asm'	00:13
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rittyan1	pupnik, X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable	00:14
pupnik	i can only guess, rittyan1	00:14
rittyan1	I don't know whether it can or can't work with a .sh script (why not)	00:14
pupnik	is a sh script really an executable?	00:15
rittyan1	pupnik, also strange thing... when I have #!/bin/sh in my file, it says "permission denied" when I execute it with "./flashcards.sh".. but when I do "/bin/sh flashcards.sh" it works... any idea?	00:15
rittyan1	pupnik, tried chmod +x and chmod 777	00:15
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suihkulokki	pupnik: read_rdtsc sounds really x86 specific	00:15
pupnik	hrm thanks suihkulokki	00:16
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suihkulokki	aka. wahat exactly are you compiling?	00:16
pupnik	gens, genesis emulator	00:17
pupnik	just slogged through the sloppy build system	00:17
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suihkulokki	agh	00:17
pupnik	dgen is working sort-of btw	00:17
suihkulokki	that's probably using the tsc registers for accurate high-resolution timing	00:17
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pupnik	ok i'm being dumb - found quite a bit of x86 asm now that i looked - ty :()	00:18
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rittyan1	found problem... i'm trying to run it from flash, but it's mounted with "noexec"... will try without it	00:22
Lateralus	Anyone have problems with intltool in Bora? In my armel target I don't have intltoolize etc available (though, intltool and intltool-debian are listed as installed (dpkg -l)). These are available in the x86 target.	00:24
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khem	Hello folk, I want to run my own kernel on N800 is there some info on how to do that kernel I intend to use is from linux-omap tree	00:35
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pupnik	you can find some custom kernels on the web - there must be info somewhere khem	00:40
pupnik	!kernel	00:40
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pupnik	http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html	00:41
khem	pupnik: thanks	00:42
pupnik	_Monkey: kernel howto is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html	00:43
_Monkey	OK, pupnik.	00:43
khem	is there a way to look at sources online	00:44
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pupnik	yes for some, iirc	00:47
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unique311	pupnik good job on getting that fullscreen going on touchmegames.	00:51
unique311	I passed out last night...was so tired..	00:52
pupnik	thanks :)	00:52
pupnik	a couple of games are playable, but a bunch aren't really	00:53
pupnik	and there's no 'quit' button visible	00:53
pupnik	etc - it's a good project to learn hildon on though	00:54
pupnik	i'll put up the source tarball tonight/tomorrow	00:54
unique311	simple to hildon?	00:54
pupnik	well there's just not much needed	00:55
pupnik	maybe a menubar for about/quit	00:55
pupnik	and fullscreen toggle button	00:55
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pupnik	unique311 - there's the binary and the modified source ... http://pupnik.de/touchmegames_maemo-0.2.0_src.tgz	01:01
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rittyan1	pupnik, it started to work after removing all X-* crap	01:02
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unique311	arigato gozaimaste pupnik	01:06
unique311	only japanese i remember from my time in japan, so sad...	01:07
unique311	so qtopia has gone opensource, and i notice the N800 as one of the devices on this article.	01:08
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pupnik	heh :) nice	01:11
pupnik	i updated the webspace to 600MB so i don't have to be so stingy with space anymore	01:12
pupnik	Joey Hess is amazing, btw. He's maintaining so many packages..	01:13
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killfill	anyone happend to know how to make upnp traverse NAT?..	01:17
unique311	pupnik: were you getting socket set errors on touchmegames?	01:19
unique311	Unable to set for a fresh socket	01:19
pupnik	yeah i got some errors - i added a dumb thing to the main.cpp file	01:20
pupnik	mainhbox = gtk_hbox_new(FALSE, 0);	01:20
pupnik	gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(window), mainhbox);	01:20
pupnik	comment out those two lines	01:20
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Thanatermesis	what video-conferencing tools (with video) exist for n800 ?	01:32
Thanatermesis	apps i mean, chat's stuff	01:32
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Thanatermesis	mmh, only from n800 to other same device... no to normal computers... crap	01:40
Thanatermesis	good night	01:40
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pupnik	nice hit with the new kagu, - wonder how many downloads it's had	02:23
pupnik	.///what - do people here all work in the morning?	02:24
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GeneralAntilles	"morning"	02:25
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pupnik	:)	02:26
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Deformati	Is it possible to make custom desktop applets?	02:42
Lateralus	Yes	02:43
Lateralus	It's a bit of a pain, especially to debug, however.	02:43
pupnik	cpu68k.c:121:1: pasting "ui_log_critical" and "(" does not give a valid preprocessing token	02:43
pupnik	there's a new one for me :/	02:43
Deformati	Lateralus: cool.	02:44
Deformati	I need to make a todo list.	02:44
Deformati	But first, I need to get an onboard compiler working.	02:44
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pupnik	did you know you can open URLs from xterm on the nokia?	02:54
pupnik	just hold down the stylus on it	02:54
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Lateralus	Can anyone with Bora installed tell me if their arm target contains intltool?	03:01
Lateralus	The VM package of maemo distributed on vmware.com has intltool available in its SDK_ARMEL target, but my install(s) do not, manual nor the install performed by the maemo-scratchbox\|sdk-*.sh scripts	03:02
pupnik	can you apt-get install intltool from within scratchbox?	03:03
Lateralus	pupnik: claims it's at the newest version. Same for intltool-debian. I'm guessing it has something to do with the virtual packages stuff that flew by during the install, but I don't know much about scratchbox nor apt.	03:04
Lateralus	pupnik: it's available in the x86 target.	03:04
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pupnik	hm	03:15
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pupnik	in gregale i show intltool installed, but intltool is not a command i can execute	03:18
pupnik	ahh intltool-update etc	03:18
pupnik	dpkg -L intltool shows installed files	03:18
Lateralus	nothing, outide of documentation and a copyright file	03:19
pupnik	there are 5 files in /usr/bin, lots in /usr/share and /usr/doc	03:20
pupnik	maybe you need to apt-get install intltool --reinstall?	03:20
Lateralus	even in the x86 target I only see docs in the output of dpkg -L intltool. But in that target I can access intltoolize etc	03:20
pupnik	strange	03:20
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pupnik	you only have one target active at one time, correct?	03:20
Lateralus	"reinstallation of intltool is not possible, it cannot be downloaded"	03:20
Lateralus	correct	03:20
Lateralus	I was unaware you could have two active targets	03:21
pupnik	i don't think you can	03:21
pupnik	or should - whatever	03:21
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pupnik	would someone try doing a 'make' on a package i'm working on? it is nothing evil, but i get an unusual error when making - and i'm not sure whether it's my environment	03:22
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pupnik	wget http://pupnik.de/generator_maemo-0.35-src.tgz	03:22
pupnik	tar xzvf generator*.tgz && cd generator_maemo-0.35	03:23
pupnik	then just "make" - do not ./configure	03:23
pupnik	(it's a more modern genesis emulator than DGen)	03:23
Lateralus	http://pastebin.ca/704034	03:23
pupnik	http://pastebin.ca/704036	03:24
Lateralus	How did you install?	03:24
pupnik	(nota bene - mine is from gregale / it2006 environment)	03:25
pupnik	i do not know	03:25
pupnik	either it was provided or i used apt-get install intltool	03:26
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Lateralus	pupnik: "pasting ui_log_critical and ( does not give a valid preprocessing token"	03:27
pupnik	thanks! that's the error i get too	03:27
pupnik	saved me a lot of worrying - now i can dig into that error - thanks again	03:27
Lateralus	np	03:27
pupnik	http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php <<< that doesn't show me a bora repository for intltool	03:29
pupnik	i have Filename: pool/herring/main/i/intltool/intltool_0.33-1osso_all.deb	03:29
pupnik	also note:	03:30
pupnik	Conflixts: xml-i18n-tools	03:30
pupnik	got to go - thanks again :) ---	03:31
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erstazi	bye pupnikafk	03:32
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Lateralus	ls	03:37
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russ_	can anyone help with a maemo 3.2 problem with finding libidn ??	03:43
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russ_	test	03:45
russ_	anyone hangin around here?	03:45
nomis	russ_: yeah.	03:45
nomis	but will head for the bed quite soon.	03:46
russ_	thanks ... me too ... I'm looking for help in finding libidn on maemo 3.2 on scratchbox ... any ideas?	03:46
nomis	nope, sorry.	03:47
russ_	ah well ...	03:47
russ_	kinda frustrating	03:47
russ_	thanks	03:48
Deformati	Mailing list is so unactive.	03:51
Lateralus	russ_: "finding"?	04:07
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russ_	libidn has tld_* stringprep_* idna_* , etc	04:17
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GS	hi	04:29
_Monkey	bonjour, GS	04:29
GS	someone installed kde on n770?	04:29
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Lateralus	GS: I saw something along those lines, but it was nothing too serious. Slow, largely unusable.	04:42
Lateralus	GS: I also saw a guy working on an enlightenment port. Claimed to have had it compile properly by adjusting the size of one buffer.	04:42
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wacky__	heya :)	04:44
GS	om	04:44
GS	:(	04:44
wacky__	anyone running mplayer on the latest Hacker edition for N770 ?	04:44
wacky__	I get some 'Illegal instruction'	04:44
Lateralus	break out gdb and get to work.	04:45
Lateralus	:p	04:45
wacky__	ouch	04:46
* Deformati spits on enlightenment.		04:47
GS	Lateralus, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5474 for kde 3.5.6	04:47
GS	and enlightenment by rasterman?	04:47
Deformati	That would be pretty horrible for emedded enviornments.	04:47
GS	package anywhere?	04:48
Lateralus	Deformati: enlightenment? I believe you are confused.	04:48
Deformati	e16 is pretty good for a desktop.	04:48
Deformati	e17 however, is good for nothing.	04:48
GS	yeah	04:48
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GS	i0m using e16 now	04:48
Deformati	Me too.	04:48
Deformati	I am using e16 with kde.	04:48
Lateralus	I've used e17 for a long time with no problems.	04:49
GS	me too	04:49
Deformati	No problems, no benefits.	04:49
Lateralus	I'm trying to get a few companies interested in e17, or atleast the EFL.	04:49
GS	Deformati, very pretty	04:49
Deformati	Not really.	04:49
Lateralus	I see great promise for EFL in an embedded environment	04:49
Deformati	ELF are given WAY too much credit.	04:50
Deformati	They are not that good, honestly.	04:50
GS	enlightenment is a promise :P	04:50
Lateralus	GS: lol	04:50
GS	e 16.9999999999	04:51
GS	never e17 ;)	04:51
Deformati	Piff.	04:51
GS	but it's cool	04:51
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Deformati	Lies.	04:52
wacky__	anyone running MicroB ?	04:54
Deformati	Actually.	04:54
Deformati	On second thought.	04:54
Deformati	Explain to me what is so fantastic about the ELFs.	04:55
Deformati	:)	04:55
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wacky__	I've installed MicroB on my freshly flashed N700 (HE edition), and now I can't use any browser :P	05:23
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wacky__	hello ?	05:51
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wacky__	MicroB doesn't stop crashing over here...	05:55
wacky__	is there a way to switch back to Opera ?	05:55
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pupnik	mplayer doesn't like 2007he afaik	06:04
pupnik	neither do my builds of dosbox - no clue why	06:04
bmidgley	is there an sdk migration doc that goes with http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/content-comparison-3.2-to-4.0beta.html	06:09
bmidgley	mmapper won't build because osso-help-dev and osso-ic-dev were "removed" but no signs of how to handle this	06:09
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pupnik	can anyone with an n800 test pingus lemmings clone for me?	06:13
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pupnik	it works OK but there are occasional crashes, and i'm curious if they are gregale related, or possibly memory related	06:13
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bmidgley	looks like nokia needs to open up some docs on http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x	06:14
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bedboi	bmidgley: is there a way to test 4.0beta?	06:16
bmidgley	bedboi get a job at Nokia	06:16
bmidgley	you mean on n800?	06:16
bedboi	yep	06:16
bmidgley	the sdk was released a little before the os release	06:17
bmidgley	shouldn't be long before the new os is released ;)	06:17
bedboi	there is some rootstrap	06:17
bedboi	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.0beta_armel.tgz	06:18
bmidgley	hmm I don't know	06:18
bmidgley	the Nokia guys I know were running something that looks very different from the last release	06:19
Lateralus	which you probably shouldn't mention.	06:21
bmidgley	enough said	06:23
bmidgley	maybe it's too soon for me to try chinook	06:23
pupnik	i really hope nokia releases another tablet in 2008	06:23
pupnik	the 770 has plenty of power for apps written for it. But i'm in the game of putting desktop apps which aren't optimized onto it	06:25
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bmidgley	I never did install bora but it looks like more work than chinook	06:25
pupnik	unique311: wb	06:26
unique311	thanks	06:26
unique311	my desktop has issues, and this notebook running ubuntu, sound is dead.	06:26
unique311	having a bad time with my toys.	06:26
unique311	not to mention again my thinkpad is dead....cmos battery i think is dead.	06:27
pupnik	do ahh ... shh..	06:28
pupnik	do you want to try pingus?	06:28
pupnik	i bet it would run way better on the n800	06:29
pupnik	it's real close to great on the n770	06:29
unique311	my device sucks right now..	06:29
unique311	only use i have for it is with kagu.	06:30
pupnik	ok	06:30
unique311	i have to reflash.	06:30
unique311	but waiting till something worthwhile hits before i do so.	06:30
unique311	a new OS maybe	06:30
pupnik	i put dgen genesis emulator up	06:31
unique311	good new though, an ipod itouch in the future..	06:31
pupnik	hoping maybe it pisses someone off enough to port a good emulator	06:31
pupnik	heh	06:31
unique311	all the sega emu's i tried compiling segfault..	06:32
pupnik	dgen runs - doesn't do sonic though	06:33
unique311	oh	06:33
unique311	whats sega without sonic, huh.	06:33
pupnik	did you ever try 'generator'?	06:34
pupnik	mine wont build - some really strange make error	06:35
unique311	i did....	06:35
unique311	forgot the outcome..	06:35
pupnik	ok	06:35
bmidgley	is it true scratchbox didn't change from maemo 3 to 4?	06:36
pupnik	scratchbox as a project is only loosely tied to maemo	06:36
pupnik	well i don't know	06:37
unique311	http://www.ghostwhitecrab.com/generator/	06:42
unique311	a better generator	06:42
unique311	2007 dated support	06:42
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bmidgley	so the scratchbox requirement didn't change i guess	06:49
pupnik	ty unique311	06:53
unique311	np	06:54
unique311	just compile the sdl version.	06:54
pupnik	did it work for you? still compiling here	06:55
unique311	not sure how to use the command line.	06:55
unique311	still trying to	06:56
pupnik	reg68k.o: In function `reg68k_external_execute':reg68k.c:(.text+0x3c0): undefined reference to `compile_make'	06:56
unique311	line it out	06:56
unique311	i did and it compiled.	06:56
unique311	main line 123	06:56
pupnik	what file?	06:58
_Monkey	i heard file was junk and should be thrown away	06:58
pupnik	:q:q	06:58
unique311	reg68k.c	06:58
unique311	located in main folder	06:58
pupnik	ok	06:59
pupnik	generator-0.35-cbiere-r3] > grep -ri compile_make *	07:01
pupnik	hdr/compile.h:uint8 compile_make(t_ipclist list);	07:01
pupnik	main/reg68k.c: list->compiled = compile_make(list);	07:01
pupnik	compile_make is defined in hdr/compile.h	07:01
unique311	main/reg68k.c: list->compiled = compile_make(list);	07:01
pupnik	yeah i found that	07:01
unique311	i lined out that. and it compiled	07:01
pupnik	but you say it segfaults?	07:01
unique311	no	07:01
unique311	i just started paperboy...	07:02
unique311	and got a black screen	07:02
unique311	failed loading sound..	07:03
unique311	only errors...	07:04
unique311	but it says the game is loaded.	07:04
unique311	all i'm seeing in scratchbox is a black screen	07:04
unique311	without the fullscreen flag.	07:04
pupnik	wow it builds here - same deal though black screen	07:05
pupnik	thanks -	07:05
unique311	try another game	07:05
unique311	maybe check out the config file	07:05
unique311	try the gtk version.	07:05
unique311	tcltk is available now for maemo, could try that version	07:06
unique311	a couple of versions available in this source	07:06
pupnik	well this is great - the standard generator wouldn't build at all	07:07
pupnik	i'll look into this later this week	07:07
unique311	cool	07:07
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pupnik	same black screen with sonic1 on the pc compile	07:12
pupnik	aoh well - tired	07:13
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unique311	pupnik: found a fix for the black screen	07:21
unique311	http://ghostwhitecrab.de/generator/	07:21
unique311	bright red attention	07:21
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pupnik	what?	07:23
pupnik	oh "ATTENTION"	07:23
pupnik	strange, i've got libsdl 1.2.8-10 on this scratchbox	07:25
pupnik	but that's a good hint	07:25
unique311	yeah.	07:25
pupnik	if it's a sdl problem i'll be able to fix it just by setting to a standard nokia-happy sdl mode	07:26
pupnik	got plenty of experience with that now	07:26
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pupnik	no idea wtf that workaround he lists is supposed to do	07:29
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unique311	says it works.	07:32
unique311	but no xvattr command	07:32
pupnik	i installed the xvattr command on the pc	07:32
pupnik	but it doesn't work	07:32
pupnik	xvattr -a XV_AUTOPAINT_COLORKEY -v 1	07:32
pupnik	Found Xv 2.2	07:32
pupnik	X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes	07:32
unique311	lol	07:33
unique311	it is scratchbox	07:33
pupnik	no this is on my debian SID pc	07:33
pupnik	just trying the stuff on the PC as well	07:33
unique311	ok	07:34
unique311	well the command is not avail for scratchbox.	07:34
pupnik	right	07:34
pupnik	nokia doesn't have Xv	07:34
pupnik	and if youre using sdl you shouldn't need it anyway	07:34
pupnik	so that stuff can probably be ripped out	07:34
pupnik	do you remember what picodrive is based on?	07:35
unique311	maybe that line out wasn't a good thing	07:35
pupnik	oh on the pc the line can be left in	07:35
pupnik	so the black screen isn't related to that problem	07:35
pupnik	that line is only compiled if compiling for the ARM cpu	07:36
pupnik	funny - the standard generator runs/compiles fine on my debian pc	07:37
pupnik	so it's probably easy to fix by comparing the two	07:37
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pupnik	it would be really embarassing if zodttd comes along and makes a psx emulator that runs better than snes, genesis and nes	07:41
pupnik	like FOOOM "!chumps! that's how you do it"	07:42
pupnik	lol	07:42
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pupnik	but hey, he's the real deal :)	07:42
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pupnik	no point comparing ourselves to people like that :)	07:43
unique311	zodttd	07:44
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pupnik	he's the main dude behind the gp2x psx emulator	07:44
pupnik	just bought a n800 a while back	07:44
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Thanatermesis	is there any difference in the flash cards that i can use ? (speed), i think that exist a branch of models called "hc" that are really fast than normal cards	08:36
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dragorn	hc denotes capacity and access methods, not speed	08:44
dragorn	"high capacity" if I recall. Most 4 gig, and everything larger, is SDHC. The n800 supports them (in newer firmwares) but they're not accessed the same as SD, so not all devices will.	08:44
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Hung	Hello	08:49
Hung	How fast can I receive a response in here?	08:49
Thanatermesis	i want to buy a card for my n800, for boot the system from the card, then i want the most fast card possible :) any recomendation or i just buy a "standard card" then ?	08:49
Thanatermesis	Hung, its relative in how much persons are reading and the percent of the persons that knows the answer + the number of ppl that want's to write	08:50
Hung	www.newegg.com has a HCSD that's 8GB for about 60 dollars. I have one and it's fast.	08:51
Thanatermesis	wow, 8 gb	08:51
Hung	I need help setting up xchat on my n800	08:51
Hung	can u help me	08:51
Thanatermesis	sorry Hung, im not have installed much things on my very recent n800 (just from yesterday), i want to dump the system to a card for boot from it and do anything from the card system :)	08:52
Thanatermesis	but i want to install xchat too, what's your exact problem ?	08:52
Lateralus	hmm	08:53
Hung	i have installed and am running xchat, but it stopped on checking iden.	08:53
Thanatermesis	Hung, how much time you wait ? i nkow that freenode needs the port (118?) for a identity stuff, if you don't have it opened you need to wait less than 5 minutes	08:55
Thanatermesis	max*	08:55
Hung	i had waited for 30 mins.	08:55
Thanatermesis	then you have other problem :)	08:56
Thanatermesis	what if you type /server irc.freenode.net (or other) ?	08:56
Hung	i didnt' config anything	08:57
Hung	i just signed on	08:57
Hung	but forget about that, i'll see if i can fix it somehow	08:58
Thanatermesis	yes but, if you enter on a IRC server manually, it works ?	08:58
Hung	thanks Thanatermesis. I'll talk more tomorrow night	09:01
Hung	on this channel	09:01
Hung	bye	09:01
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Thanatermesis	where is a howto for compile things for the n800 ?	09:17
`0660	see maemo.org	09:23
Thanatermesis	ok	09:24
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Thanatermesis	not exist any videconferencing app for n800 ??	09:48
Thanatermesis	skype sucks for linux	09:49
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bedboi	Thanatermesis: please don't even mention skype	10:09
bedboi	PLEASE	10:09
bedboi	i'm researching on skype.	10:09
bedboi	it doesn't make any sense	10:09
bedboi	it just works because now there is a lot of bandwidth	10:10
bedboi	it's just a bunch of if-then-else.	10:11
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alucardo_6666	hello	10:18
_Monkey	hi, alucardo_6666	10:18
alucardo_6666	i have a problems to install the aircrack-ng.. please.. helpme ú.u	10:18
TPC	hmm	10:18
TPC	doesn't the N800 support having ext2 as a memory card filesystem?	10:18
alucardo_6666	i dont have a idea.. i use a n770	10:19
alucardo_6666	my problem is.. " impossible install the package in the actual software "	10:20
alucardo_6666	some idea about this problem ?	10:21
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TPC	ah, ah, need to insert the ext2 module manually	10:25
alucardo_6666	@.@	10:26
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alucardo_6666	# could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ~ open (13permissi)	10:30
alucardo_6666	T_____T	10:30
alucardo_6666	i try install in the xterm.. , some idea?	10:31
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TPC	alucardo_6666, it means that you already have another app open that is using the installation system	10:35
alucardo_6666	o.O.. " impossible install .. again , " incompatible package but actual sofware "	10:39
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alucardo_6666	Im a big noooooooob -.- im need read more..	10:39
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:52
alucardo_6666	"unable to install. aplication package is incompatible with current software."	10:52
alucardo_6666	:S stupid aircrack-ng xD	10:53
alucardo_6666	T______T i try for many hours... install the aircrack.. any suggestion?	10:53
alucardo_6666	please people... any suggestion?	10:56
jani	install sdk to your main puter, get aircrack source and compile it yourself =)	10:57
alucardo_6666	thanks jani , i try ^^	10:58
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Thana`	my n800 are running a bit strange... how i can reboot it ? (the power button dont' do anything)	11:27
inz	Thana, if you can ssh in, try reboot, if not, remove battery	11:29
Thana`	:/	11:29
red-zack	Thana`: ssh, reboot :shutdown now	11:35
red-zack	oh. inz told you. i am blind	11:36
Thana`	red-zack, it don't has ssh acces, i don't know why, and buttons not has worked before... i have needed to eject the battery :S	11:37
Thana`	i hope that i don't have lost any inode :/	11:38
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Thanatermesis	i have booted the device with the power supply connected, is any problem with that ?	11:38
gla55_	no	11:40
Thanatermesis	strange..	11:40
Thanatermesis	i supose that i can connect a USB keyboard, correct ?	11:45
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inz	Not trivially	11:47
Thanatermesis	is needed to edit a conf file like xorg.conf or something similar ?	11:47
inz	You need to have a special kernel	11:49
Thanatermesis	uh :/	11:49
inz	And powered usb hub	11:49
Thanatermesis	powered usb hub ? you mean those external 1x4 USB things ?	11:50
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inz	Thana, yeah, something like that, the 770/N800 port doesn't supply (enough) power	11:54
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Thanatermesis	just for a keyboard no ? :/	11:57
inz	For any USB gadget	11:59
Thanatermesis	crap... a kernel is no problem... but that requires a 220~V power supply :/	12:01
Thanatermesis	i want this one: http://www.pdagold.com/img/articles/en/large/0000000268_wre456160123346.jpg	12:01
Thanatermesis	the one by nokia looks very good, but expensive	12:02
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Thanatermesis	what is the max video resolution accepted ? i have convert a video in 800x480 but the player by default says that's not a resolution accepted	12:36
JussiP	There is a wiki page with full instructions.	12:38
Thanatermesis	aha	12:47
TPC	I use this for encoding for the n800: mencoder -o outfile.avi -oac mp3lame -lameopts preset=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=600:threads=4 -zoom -vf dsize=400:240:2,scale -idx infile.avi	12:53
TPC	I think its the best tradeoff between quality, encoding speed, and playability	12:53
TPC	I recommend installing mplayer and using that as your movie player (its in one of the repos)	12:53
Thanatermesis	whats the final :2 in the scale, TPC ?	12:54
TPC	I don't remember	12:54
TPC	dsize makes it so it scales the video up to 400x240, but stops whenever it hits one	12:55
TPC	so it could for example go 320x240 if its a 4:3 movie	12:55
TPC	or 400x(something) if its a widescreen one	12:56
Thanatermesis	interesting	12:56
TPC	so the same line works for all movies, rather than having to change the resolution to fit what you are encoding	12:57
Thanatermesis	anyways i think that the better is to install mplayer... the better media player ever made :)	12:57
TPC	yep	12:57
TPC	if you add -ffourcc DIVX to my line, the official media player will be able to play it too	12:57
Thanatermesis	ok	12:57
TPC	if you go for higher resolution than 400x240 you will have to lower the bitrate, but I think higher bitrate produces better quality than high resolution	12:58
Thanatermesis	mmh, looks like a delay in the A/V, maybe because n800 uses ESD ?	12:59
TPC	maybe	13:01
Thanatermesis	why not use just alsa ?	13:01
TPC	try adding ao=alsa to mplayers config file	13:01
Thanatermesis	well, im on a "clean n800 system" now... i want first to have a SD card for dump the system to it and do anything on the card one :)	13:02
Thanatermesis	not mplayer yet	13:02
TPC	ok	13:02
TPC	why the SD card thing?	13:02
TPC	its easy to reflash if anything goes wrong	13:02
TPC	and the built in backup app is nice for storing settings, etc	13:02
Thanatermesis	in what exactly consists the flash thing ?	13:03
Thanatermesis	i have dumped (dd) the devices /dev/mtdblock{0,1,2,3,4} for make a backup lol	13:03
TPC	it wipes the internal memory and puts the clean os on it again	13:03
TPC	you just run ./flasher-3.0 <some options, details are in the wiki> firmwarename.ext	13:04
TPC	and put the N800 into the computers usb port	13:04
TPC	I'm assuming that you are running linux here, no idea how it works on other OSes :P	13:04
Thanatermesis	yes, of course :)	13:04
Thanatermesis	sounds easy	13:05
jani	i've faint recollection of seeing winflasher tool too..	13:05
TPC	you probably want to do it once before you start changing too much around	13:05
TPC	to make sure you have the latest version	13:05
Thanatermesis	well, basically i want the system on the SD card because the reasons detailed on the wiki (near to x2 more speed on the system due to not using a compressed FS, and a lot more space on the "system disk" to install any kind of packages)	13:05
TPC	I don't really find the N800 slow anyway	13:06
Thanatermesis	well, more fast is better :)	13:06
Thanatermesis	i think that i have the last version, no upgrades, just new buyed n800 , etc	13:06
Deformati	OR, just rewrite the bottleneck apps to make them faster.	13:06
Deformati	:)	13:07
TPC	and you already got like 200mb to install apps on, more than enough, as long as you store your data on the SD cards	13:07
Thanatermesis	the only thing that i don't understand is...	13:07
Thanatermesis	im living in barcelona, and i don't have found ANY shop that sells the n800	13:07
* Deformati cannot find any rs-mmc cards.		13:08
Thanatermesis	no FNAC, no "el corte ingles" (very big known shops stuff), etc...	13:08
Deformati	Oh well.	13:08
Deformati	Bye. o/	13:08
Thanatermesis	also don't has ear about this "model of nokia"... sigh	13:08
TPC	usually easier to buy online anyway :P	13:08
Deformati	Thanatermesis: aren't you the elive dev?	13:09
Thanatermesis	i have wanted to buy it on fnac because fnac gives a "assurance" of "thief", but i have needed finally to buy it on nokia.com	13:09
Thanatermesis	Deformati, me ?	13:09
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Deformati	Cannot remember.	13:10
Thanatermesis	Deformati, that's what ppl says ;)	13:10
Deformati	Heh, I knew I saw that nick somewhere.	13:10
Deformati	Well, I need to go now.	13:10
Deformati	o/	13:10
Thanatermesis	hehe	13:10
Thanatermesis	bye Deformati	13:10
GS	Thanatermesis, eee	13:10
GS	que quieres comprar?	13:11
Thanatermesis	coño GS, tu por aqui	13:11
Thanatermesis	cuanto tiempo xD	13:11
GS	si ;)	13:11
TPC	elive?	13:11
GS	me he pillado un n770	13:11
TPC	also, please speak english, the rest of us want to understand too :P	13:12
Thanatermesis	GS, mi novia queria comprarse el n800 en la fnac porque les daban un seguro antirobo... pero al final tuvo que comprarlo por internet (nokia.com), no entiendo porque no hay ni una puta tienda que no la vendan, nadie a oido hablar de este modelo de nokia... no será porque funciona con linux, no ? o_O	13:12
GS	ok TPC sorry	13:12
Thanatermesis	sorry TPC	13:12
Thanatermesis	GS, recently ? how much cost ?	13:12
* Thanatermesis likes more the case look of the n770 than the n800		13:13
* Deformati got his 770 for 140 USD		13:13
GS	Thanatermesis, 160€ in ebay	13:13
Thanatermesis	hum, cheap	13:13
Deformati	The n800 has drastically drove down the price of the 770	13:14
Thanatermesis	looks like :)	13:16
TPC	hm..	13:17
TPC	I need a case to store my N800 in	13:18
TPC	the piece of cloth that came with it just isn't very protective	13:18
TPC	and I don't want to drag it around in my otterbox 2600 (hard plastic protective casing that is waterproof and can handle a car driving over it without damaging the device inside)	13:19
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Thanatermesis	TPC, http://www.al4ie.com/770/nokia770fascia.jpg	13:22
Deformati	The nokia 770 case is awesome.	13:22
Deformati	As soon as you close it, it goes into sleep mode.	13:22
TPC	would have been nice	13:23
Deformati	And when you open it, it comes back instantly.	13:23
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leno29	hi to all	13:56
leno29	i have a question for you	13:56
leno29	i want to run rtlinux on nokia770	13:56
leno29	it is possible patch the kernel	13:56
leno29	and use it on this handhelds	13:56
leno29	?	13:56
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leno29	is somebody online?	14:10
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db48x	leno29: 218 people are online just in this channel	14:17
db48x	leno29: not many of them are awake, though :)	14:17
leno29	why nobody reply to me	14:17
* rcknight might be awake		14:17
leno29	db48x,	14:17
leno29	rcknight, can you help me	14:18
leno29	?	14:18
rcknight	no. I do not know about rtlinux distro	14:18
db48x	no, I don't know anything about it either	14:18
erstazi	howdy everyone	14:21
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inz	leno29, I guess no on tried it, I suggest you go on and try, you might be lucky	14:28
inz	+e	14:28
leno29	can i patch the kernel??	14:28
inz	Sure you can	14:28
leno29	exist an emulator ?	14:29
leno29	i want to try	14:29
inz	You can't emulate kernel, so you need a device to test it	14:29
leno29	if i take a n770 for example	14:30
leno29	on it	14:30
leno29	there is the source code of kernel?	14:30
inz	Due to the license of kernel, there must be (and there is)	14:30
leno29	the kernel is linux standard?	14:31
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inz	With changes/patches	14:32
leno29	for handhelds	14:32
leno29	ok	14:32
leno29	the distribution is emdebian?	14:33
leno29	or maemo	14:33
leno29	?	14:33
inz	maemo, if I understood what you're asking	14:37
leno29	i want to know the name of distribution that run on nokia 770	14:37
inz	It is called ITOS2006	14:37
sxpert-work	some form of hacked up debian	14:37
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leno29	and the source code is accesible?	14:38
leno29	the license?	14:38
leno29	developed by?	14:39
inz	The kernel source most definitely is	14:39
inz	And the sources for (L)GPL licensed components included are, of course	14:39
inz	But not everything is open	14:39
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leno29	not all the component development for it?	14:41
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leno29	this you want intend	14:41
leno29	?	14:41
inz	I guess	14:42
leno29	what is the site of ITOS2006	14:42
inz	There is no site for it	14:44
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adegoeij	does anyone know what the chipset specs of the nokia N800ś wifi equipment are?	14:44
leno29	and where can i download the source code of it?	14:44
inz	leno, maemo.org has most of the open components	14:45
inz	leno, and some are only available to device owners	14:45
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adegoeij	does anyone know what the chipset specs of the nokia N800ś wifi equipment are?	15:06
suihkulokki	gooooooooooooooogle	15:06
Knirch	suihkulokki: is a site, want the url?	15:07
Knirch	suihkulokki: www.google.com, there you go, happy now?	15:07
Knirch	suihkulokki: you see, the problem you did there was to use way to many o's. It's only spelled with two	15:08
adegoeij	nope nowhere to be found, the N770 had a connexant chipset, but n800 is nowhere to be found	15:09
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Knirch	adegoeij: gone over internettablettalk forums?	15:16
adegoeij	mostly yes lot of mentioning but i just want the lspci output...	15:17
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Knirch	ok, can't help you with that, only own a 770	15:17
adegoeij	I see	15:18
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adegoeij	Do you by any chance know whether it is possible to install standard Debian (ARM) onto the device? I'd like to build a mobile apache server, pref with ordinary gnome	15:19
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Mikho	Any C-coders here? I need to read some data from a socket (sys/socket.h), but can't find a way to read with a timeout. I'm currently using the read function defined in unistd.h	16:30
nomis	Mikho: use poll() or select() to check if there is something to read before actually reading.	16:31
Mikho	ok, I'll investigate into this. Thanks	16:32
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nomis	Mikho: if you're using glib you can also use the g_io_* family of functions. There are nifty things like io_watches.	16:32
Blacksito	buenos dias	16:32
Mikho	buenas tardes	16:33
Blacksito	hola Mikho	16:36
c0ffee	man select_tut for a nice tutorial on select	16:38
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leno29	where is the code of your kernel?	17:27
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Jaffa	Anybody want to make any guesses on when we'll see IT OS 2008 (presuming, given we're getting closer to 4Q07/1Q08, that'll be the first end-user release of a Chinook-based OS)	18:14
mgedmin	ooh, ooh, I want to make a guess	18:17
mgedmin	"a new theme"	18:17
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jhs_s	hi! Maybe someone can help me here: After installing the chinook sdk in scratchbox, I always get	18:23
jhs_s	libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la'	18:23
jhs_s	though libatk1.0-dev is installed. Is the package broken? Same is for -lpangocairo!	18:23
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alucardo_6666	the aircrack-ng v0.9 , have airodump in the package?	18:24
alucardo_6666	I install it, but im not make work the aircrack :S:S .. some idea?	18:25
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alucardo_6666	ú.u	18:35
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_stfn_	Not that it's maemo specific, but as some of you probably own a N800, someone may probably give me a hint on this one... Is it a common problem, that the N800 suddenly can't be charged anymore? I tried several different charger, so it's basically possible that the battery or the N800 itself causes the problem...	18:43
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mgedmin	_stfn_: is the battery totally empty now?	18:52
mgedmin	there are some pecularities with the n800 and completely empty batteries	18:52
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zuh	jhs_s: You should probably remove all .la files from /usr/lib, they're mostly just harmful	19:01
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jhs_s	zuh: I think I tried this twice but i worked now, thanks!	19:11
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Jaffa	mgedmin: probably a lovely, over complicated one with fonts which are too big	19:27
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b0unc3	hello	19:29
_Monkey	hello, b0unc3	19:29
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Blacksito	buenas tardes	19:34
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Juhaz	mgedmin, because the OS controls charging and it can't boot even to that phase with completely empty battery?	19:49
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mgedmin	Juhaz: something like that	19:51
mgedmin	afaiu it still charges even when the os can't boot, but very slowly	19:51
\|\|cw	I thought the nokia's had a fully hardware controled charger	19:51
mgedmin	no	19:52
\|\|cw	I know the ipaq's require the OS to be booted to fast charge	19:52
mgedmin	it's something like that here, too	19:52
mgedmin	I could give you a reference to the relevant mails	19:52
alucardo_6666	\|\|cw , do you have the kismet2006?	19:52
\|\|cw	no	19:52
alucardo_6666	i really need the soft T_T and the link is dead..	19:52
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alucardo_6666	maybe a one people have the kismet 2006??	19:54
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alucardo_6666	i really need the kismet2006.. i have many hours searching.. and all the links is breaking ..please sendme the soft..	19:57
\|\|cw	I don't even see a dead link, there is no link at all	19:58
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alucardo_6666	maybe only is online the kismet v2005 T_T..	20:00
alucardo_6666	anything have the kismet2006?	20:00
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\|\|cw	guess you'll have to compile it	20:01
alucardo_6666	maybe is a good idea	20:03
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NoOneNo	*** Does anyone know if Navicore has a demo license? If not, how would one know if it was better/worth it over MaemoMapper ??	21:14
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SE-Wilco	Is there an N800 IRC client?	21:49
pupnik	yes, gaim, xchat and irssi	21:53
SE-Wilco	No IRC showing in Application Manager. Browsing web cats now. Gaim or Pidgin?	21:55
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SE-Wilco	OK, I see both Gaim and Pidgin on maemo.org.	22:00
pupnik	repositories?	22:02
_Monkey	repositories is, like, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php	22:02
SE-Wilco	maemo-hackers added to Application Manager for Gaim's repository.	22:03
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SE-Wilco	(browsing apps...) What is IDEA again? It's one of those that thinks "IDEA" is enough of a description.	22:12
roope	I have no idea. drumroll	22:13
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SE-Wilco	Umpteen media players, all think "media player" is enough information to make me choose them.	22:14
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pupnik	yes IDEA has bad description	22:18
pupnik	i tried to explain this to the author - please start your page with a simple description of what your app is supposed to do	22:18
pupnik	apparently you can create 'desktop links' and stuff	22:18
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pupnik	i use load-applet-run and osso-statusbar-cpu to invoke executeables and shellscripts now - simpler	22:19
NoOneNo	I have IDEA installed, and it is basically shortcuts on the desktop, but within a frame, so not quiet like a desktop shortcut	22:21
pupnik	ok i gotta get this pingus deb built... dagnabbit	22:22
Deformati	Allo everyone.	22:27
pupnik	"The whole idea of starting or finishing something is one of the scariest things in the world to me," Drew told Pitchfork in 2005.	22:27
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SE-Wilco	No luck with Gaim on N800. Click on "Sign on" and nothing happens other than a blue outline around "Sign on". I do have IRC checked for that account.	22:32
SE-Wilco	Oh, wait. My net link icon vanished.	22:32
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SE-Wilco	All better now.	22:35
pupnik	never tried gaim, but it's plugin architecture looks very sensible to me	22:35
NoOneNo	Does anyone here run Navicore 2007 ?	22:38
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NoOneNo	(or 2006)	22:39
SE-Wilco	Liked Gaim on Linux for years; son needed IM and Pidgin blew up in MS-Win. Now to figure out how I want N800 sounds in my pocket.	22:39
* Deformati kicks gaim.		22:39
Deformati	Yucky.	22:39
Deformati	Anyways.	22:40
Deformati	Has anyone here managed to compile gcc 4.1.2 for armel?	22:40
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MDK	I think I did at some point where trying to get the gdc D compiler working	23:03
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Deformati	Did you get it working?	23:10
Deformati	I am trying to get GDC as well.	23:10
Deformati	I have been an active member of the D community for about a year now.	23:10
Deformati	:)	23:10
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pupnik	http://youtube.com/watch?v=vjvVBCNcL_A for the finnish speakers - some strange a-capella (bad audio)	23:23
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Deformati	MDK?	23:31
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konttori	well, it will give you driving instructions even offline	23:42
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Deformati	Does anyone know why xterm is the only app that gets keyboard input?	23:49
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MDK	Deformati: I don't recall correctly, I was doing it long time ago	23:54
MDK	when gdc wasn't supporting 4.1.x	23:54
DigExorcist	hi guys - anyone here have experience with the i-tech virtual laser keyboard linking with the 770 or bluetooth keyboards in general?	23:54
Deformati	Did manage to get any gcc compiled natively on the 770?	23:55
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MDK	gcc compiled natively?	23:57
Deformati	Well.	23:57
Deformati	Never mind.	23:57
Deformati	I will try to figure it out.	23:57
MDK	please do, having gdc working would be awsome	23:59

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