IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-09-19

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||cwi would so love to, I see all these store fronts for lease and I'm like "i could do a shop there"00:00
||cwone of these days....00:00
||cwkind of like my day job at the moment though, maybe when the kids of done with school00:01
DigExorcistmy day job is jail for me00:02
||cwat least then if I fail and go broke it won't make their life suck, it'll be their problem00:02
DigExorcistBut there's also plenty of competition here00:02
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DigExorcistThe ssh package can't finish installing, and it's holding up the installation of two others, and I cant remove ssh without removing all the osso packages...00:04
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||cwwhat's I'd love to do though is convert my employer into a client, so at least i'd have some nearly guaranteed income00:05
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DigExorcistYou'd loose money doing it - taxes are like 50% depending on what you're up to - so you gotta expense everything in sight00:08
DigExorcistthe cool part is that computer stuff is a write off in that situation00:08
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DigExorcistSo how does one erase all the unit config - just reload the os?00:19
DigExorcistthat is, do the reflash?00:19
DigExorcistthis thing is borked00:20
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* pupnik sacrifices a bowl of chicken-ramen to the Nokia Gods to put OpenGL into the N90000:21
* DigExorcist wishes pupnik luck, but he wants that upgrade on his 770...00:22
* DigExorcist thinks a hand-held Beryl interface would be tool cool for humanity00:23
pupniknah, there's no 3D chip in the 77000:23
DigExorcistyeah, but if they did that, the gods of cool would come down from heaven, and take the hardware away from us00:24
disqso who didn't install kagu 1.0.8 here yet?00:24
pupnikwe'll see how much influence the iphone UI has on the handheld world -- if it gets adopted heavily there will probably be enough pressure for Nokia to put opengl into forthcoming tablets00:24
DigExorcista portal would open, John Belushi, Elvis, and James Dean would step out, Marilyn Monroe would grab it, stuff it down her bodice, and they'd all leave00:25
DigExorcistWhat's kagu?00:25
_Monkeyi think kagu is or #kagu00:25
disqthe screenshots there are outdated00:25
DigExorcistnot enough room for music with all my episodes of Boston Legal loaded in00:26
disq for new screenshots :) (click the wiki link)00:26
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pupnikwow looks very nice00:28
pupnikthree cheers for the 'scan music?' dialog!!!00:29
DigExorcisthas anyone tried for supposedly legal music downloadz yet?00:29
disqthree cheers? why :)00:31
* DigExorcist hates that services like Spiralfrog only work right in IE00:31
pupnikDigExorcist: agree.  disq: early versions didn't ask before scanning00:33
disqah. we have that dialog for the last few releases now :)00:33
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DigExorcistIs there a way to have the application manager install all teh visible updates, or is it always a one at a time deal?00:55
pupnikheh my site is awesome in links/lynx00:55
pupnikdunno bout that - i always update manually for control reasons00:56
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DigExorcistwhats the best toolbar app?01:00
_Monkeyload-applet-run is what the package is called01:01
DigExorcisthas anyone ever figured out how to use the rss feed reader on the main screen?01:01
OuiDdo you use sometimes apt-get upgrade? last time I had to reflash..01:02
DigExorcistI just flashed because of apt-get upgrade01:03
_Monkeyload-applet-run is John Costigan's awesome toolbar applet to monitor cpu and launch programs:
disqosso-statusbar-cpu is better :P01:03
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OuiDah ok :)01:04
pupnikwow ...01:04
OuiDlast time I went even further : dist upgrade. same symptoms :)01:04
pupnikdisq - is osso-statusbar-cpu compat with it2006se?  It looks more full featured - and i love the clock display01:06
_Monkeyi think osso-statusbar-cpu is better :P01:06
pupnik_Monkey: forget osso-statusbar-cpu01:06
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot osso-statusbar-cpu01:06
disqthere's a seperate os2006 build01:07
disqnot sure if the os2006 build has the clock tho01:07
disq_Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu can be found at
_Monkeydisq: excuse me?01:08
disq_Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu is at
_MonkeyOK, disq.01:08
DigExorcistActually, the one I've seen and wanted was the load-applet-run01:10
DigExorcistOkay, so here's one.01:11
DigExorcistFresh build - I installed dropbear-server, and now I can't install dropbear client01:12
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unique311disq: i sent an email to reggie asking for the thread to be move to general.01:14
disqthanks :)01:14
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* DigExorcist hates the process of adding in repositories and likens them to suppositories01:18
pupnikThat's why .install files are a great thing01:19
OuiDusually you backup your sources list file and optionnaly your package list..01:22
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disqi think my battery needs recalibration01:24
disqgoes down to battery low too quickly. i'll just let it die once01:24
disqand maybe cycle it a few times01:25
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Tu13esanyone know where openvpn installs to?02:08
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killfillim "sharing" my music with mt-daap and mediatomb, but canola is printing "Error" whatever i try to play any mp3.02:10
killfillhow could i get canola to be more verbose?02:11
lsobralkillfill, you can run canola in debug mode: CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola -v -v -v02:11
DigExorcistdisq - doesn't cycling a li-polymer battery damage it?02:12
DeformatiGot a new hub.02:12
DeformatiNow i just need to sodder the cables.02:12
DigExorcistWhich one?02:12
DigExorcistAnyone ever run into a problem when the application manager stops listing applications?02:12
DeformatiBelkin stackable02:12
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DigExorcistBelkins stuff isn't too bad - we bit overpriced if you ask me02:13
DigExorcistI've got one of their USB1.0 models02:13
DeformatiI got usb 2.0 self powered, with power cord and usb cord,  20 bucks02:14
killfillcnl-audio-controller.c:402:cb_error audio player: player error02:14
DeformatiIt was half off.02:14
killfillplayer error.. hm...02:14
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killfillmaybe im missing some package?.. does canola play upnp audio files ok?..02:17
killfill(for you)02:17
DigExorcistso what application provides a nice iconic launcher bar for the home screen?02:18
killfillis there any other player i can use?..02:18
DigExorcistI thought it was load-applet-run02:18
killfillkagu doesnt seem to do upnp..02:18
disqmediastreamer and canola both do upnp02:19
b0unc3DigExorcist: try IDEA or simple launcher...02:20
* killfill installing mediastreamer02:21
killfillmedistreamer cannot play them either..02:22
killfillit says "File not Found"02:23
killfilldisq: what are you using as server?02:23
pupnikDigExorcist: load-applet-run can run arbitrary commands and save them to a shortcut - just hit 'run' and click the 'save' button and give the shortcut a name02:23
disqwindows media connect. worked fine with FUPPES too02:24
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killfilldont have windows here..02:27
pupnikonly criticism of osso-statusbar-cpu would be that the icon is slightly too high02:28
pupnikhmm mem and cpu hogs - maemo_af_desktop02:29
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killfillushare doesnt work either02:39
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DigExorcistanyone know where bt pairing info is stored?02:50
DigExorcistwhat file, etc?02:50
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killfillcannot make this thing work.. :S02:57
unique311so my motorola h500 headset is not working because its a phone earpeace.03:01
unique311and not a music bluetooth headset.03:01
unique311question off topic, why did they get rid of pluto?03:02
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DigExorcistthe planet?03:04
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pupnikthere were a couple of reasons.  Main one is they decided it wasn't formed during the solar system's accretion phase03:06
pupnikit appears to be a captured planetoid based on offset from the solar axis03:06
pupnikBack in 1978 i did a presentation on theories of solar evolution :)03:07
unique311watching a show on this right now.03:08
unique311on the science channel03:08
DigExorcistit was in 2006 when the mess started03:09
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unique311feel kinda bad for pluto, been a part of the books for a long time, to be taken out in the revisions out now.03:11
unique311pupnik, captured planetoid?03:12
pupnikah i was wrong on the ICU decision03:13
unique311a planet that just wondered in our solar system.03:14
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pupnikyeah that was a theory at one ponit03:15
pupniki don't know what the current explanation is03:15
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unique311smaller than out moon, takes you off the planet list.03:16
unique311but its still early in the show.03:16
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Troseph_has anyone gotten a different distro to run on the 770? I want to try pokylinux or DSL... But I don't know if I'll hose my system.03:30
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unique311Update: smaller than the united states, and you loose your planet status.03:33
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DeformatiCrazy awesome.03:49
DeformatiThe hub hack worked.03:49
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Troseph_No way? Can you use a thumb drive with it?03:51
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DeformatiAnd keyboard.03:55
_Monkeyi guess keyboard is important to have03:55
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saaibhow can I rebuild the dependecy database? It failed while trying to install openssh and now I can't update the list of packages04:16
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[31d1]wow i have such a sense of accomplishment for figuring out how to run an almost entirely useless script on wlan up on my nokia04:28
* Deformati is mad that he still didn't get any responses from the mailing list.04:29
[31d1]now it will always have its own domain name despite not having a server and almost never being outside a firewall04:30
killfillwhat upnp player does there exist for gnome?..04:31
pupniki think there is one for maemo in dev04:32
pupnik  oh this isn't the same - but it's also interesting - control pc music playback from tablet04:33
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pupnikhe is looking for help on the project - it looks quite promising imo04:34
pupnikwith power-line IP, it is time to rethink home-stereo04:35
unique311nice find....04:42
unique311check this out on you device..
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pupnik4 freakin hours i been mucking about with this game and it still no run05:04
pupnikSTAB STAB STAB05:04
pupniknot even seeing my debug msg... w..t..f..05:05
unique311what game?05:05
pupnikWorms Of Prey05:06
[31d1]oh, nice swf05:06
unique311runs nicely on the n800 [31d1]05:11
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* Deformati wants to program stuffies.05:20
DeformatiBut I need gdc.05:20
bmidgleyhmm I can't build maemo-mapper using the new beta sdk05:20
bmidgleyconfigure says liboosohelp and osso-ic were not found05:20
bmidgleylibossohelp that is05:20
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* pupnik applies "clear and hold" to Worms of Prey code05:46
pupnik /* */05:46
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pupnikopen("data/images/gui/bg.png", O_RDONLY) = 1405:51
pupnikfstat64(14, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=140737488355328, ...}) = 005:51
pupnikhow is it that i can chmod files on the 770's vfat?05:53
* pupnik dumps the game data into /home/user for testing porpoises05:57
unique311pupnik ever heard of touchmegames for linux?05:57
unique311a collection of touch screen games for linux.05:58
unique311works for maemo.05:58
unique311but screen resolution is screwed, becuase its viewed in windowed mode.05:59
unique311and some of the screen is MIA05:59
unique311fullscreen it would be a nice hit for the maemo platform.05:59
pupnikexcellent find06:01
unique311wonder if it can be submitted to those indt guys..06:01
unique311they handle gaming for the devices?06:02
pupnikplaying ...06:07
unique311you are quick on the compile.06:07
pupnikthis is really nicely done06:08
unique311only flaw is that it will not automatically do fullscreen...well on maemo that is..06:09
pupnikjust needs hildon wrapper afaict06:21
pupniki haven't done that yet06:22
pupniklots of ppl here could do it in their sleep though06:22
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pupnikunique311: still there?06:57
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pupnikunique311:  this main.cpp creates the hildon window and initially sets it to fullscreen, but something is setting it back to windowed mode.
pupnikyou'll need to add "-lhildonwidgets" to the link flags in the Makefile07:16
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DawnmistDoes anyone know if there are plans to add the en_AU locale to those available in the N800, now that Nokia are selling these in Australia?07:53
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rwhitbyDawnmist: I hope so - I had to add the Adelaide timezone to the clock manually.08:12
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pupnikunique311: looks like a bunch of these games are hardcoded for 800x600 - will take some time to adjust them to 800x480 - but fs is working now - :))
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pupnikif anyone who knows hildon wants to do this, please leave me a message08:33
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pupnik  <-- nice overview of teh window funxtins08:39
pupnikgtkwindow is documented at
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`0660oh shit. they have started selling n800 in australia08:45
`0660i thought i would be the first one to have it there when i move the in next month :P08:45
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Dawnmistyeah, they have started - although their website still says 'coming soon'.08:53
DawnmistI'm finding it frustrating with either having the date wrong (US's MM/DD/YYYY) or the keyboard/currency wrong (GB pounds & symbols)08:54
DawnmistAnd of course the 12 hour clock - but that'll probably not be fixed by using the en_AU locale08:54
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`0660you should try fi_FI locale. it has a 24 hour clock ;)08:58
`0660i'm pretty sure you should be able to tweak it to work the way you want08:59
`0660just keep the Device language as british and try finding a regional setting close to australia09:00
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DawnmistDoes fi_FI use '$' signs and '.' as decimal separators?09:08
LynoureDawnmist: are you asking seriously?09:14
LynoureDawnmist: we use $VARIABLES :)09:14
LynoureDawnmist: but the currency is €09:15
DawnmistI am - since I'm at work, and can't test it - and the device doesn't have the en_AU locale.09:15
LynoureDawnmist: I get confused about the separators myself.09:15
DawnmistAnd unfortunately, neither the en_GB or the en_US actually match our stuff properly - we've got a mishmash in between them.09:16
LynoureDawnmist: it seems my bank uses ,  and , is what is on the numpad09:16
DawnmistWe use $ and '.', with DD/MM/YYYY dates and GB spelling (at least mainly GB spelling) and are completely metric.09:17
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DawnmistSo if I use the US keyboard and $/'.', I get horrible dates and spelling - and I'd assume non-metric measurements. If I use the GB, I get pounds and funny keys on my keyboard :(09:18
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DawnmistAnd the en_AU locale hasn't been included on the device, even though they're starting to officially sell it in Australia.09:19
`0660you should file a bug about it in their bugzilla09:21
`0660that would be an easy way to make sure it will be in the next release09:22
DawnmistOk :)09:23
`0660which i think will be out before the end of this year09:23
`0660to stop rumours from spreading my estimate is not based on any inside knowledge :)09:25
pupnikhmm do not try to compile debhelper 5 without a backup scratchbox09:32
pupnikwhat's different about en_AU to en_GB or whatever?09:32
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Dawnmistpupnik: For GB - Keyboard, currency, some language/spelling differences09:45
Dawnmistpupnik: For US - Date display, more spelling differences, metric units (i.e. A4 not letter)09:46
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Luriais there some sorta id3 editor on the n800?10:13
Luriajust quick and dirty edit; dont need to do mass tagging10:14
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JaffaMorning, all10:33
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JaffaDawnmist: see bug10:38
JaffaDawnmist: see bug #30310:38
_MonkeyBug 303 might be found at
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DawnmistI've looked at bug 303, and realise it's related - but it also doesn't change the fact that Nokia *should* include the locale of a country that it's selling in, rather than making every customer in that country have to rebuild their package to include it, since they've excluded the POSIX locale completely for Australia.10:53
_MonkeyBug 303 might be found at
DawnmistI found it earlier today - and will give it a go this evening, but I have to create the build environment, etc first.10:54
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DawnmistTried apt-get installing 'locales' last night - but while I can see en_AU in /usr/share/locales, I still couldn't select it, so I'm not sure where they're shoving the 'approved' ones. And since I only got the N800 yesterday lunchtime, I'm still working my way through this setup stuff *smiles*10:56
DawnmistBut I thought it worth seeing if there was any intention now that they are selling it in Australia to include the Australian localisation info, since it'd save me work both now and with future updates :)10:59
rwhitbyDawnmist: where did you buy it from, and how much?  (I had to get mine at Heathrow last time I was travelling on business)10:59
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Dawnmist$599, at Organiser World in Melbourne (1 block from where I work, so was convenient).11:00
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Air-awayhello, might I ask a retarded question about the Nokia N800?13:53
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Airw0lfdownloaded applications get installed where? to the "internal" memory card slot?13:54
Airw0lfor is there a choice?13:54
cosmointernal flash13:55
_Monkeyi heard internal flash was generally not "readonly"13:55
Airw0lfinternal flash is only 128 mb?13:55
Airw0lfdoesn't that limit how many apps you can install?13:56
cosmo770 has 64mb and it's never run out on my device13:56
Airw0lfwow, ok13:57
Airw0lfso i guess that means i don't need to buy a sd card specifically to store apps13:57
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Airw0lfsince you can only install to flash13:57
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pupnikafkgot sega genesis emu running14:01
inzwithout hacks you won't actually be able to run programs from mmc/sd cards, as they're mounted noexec14:03
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Airw0lfeven the programs installed from
Airw0lfbut if you install to flash, you're fine...sounds sensible14:09
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cosmoi think you could format a mmc as ext2, mount it and do links so that apps are installed on it14:16
Airw0lfok, but i take it most people don't need to worry about resorting to that14:16
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OuiDbut the noexec would still forbid you!14:22
Big_Bgood morning (~ugt)14:22
Airw0lfthat's fine...i'll just go with the flow and not try to get ahead of myself :)14:22
Big_BHi lardman are you here!!14:23
Airw0lfi have to go to sleep now, but thanks all for your help14:23
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alteregoI boot the whole system off of SD/MMC14:35
alteregoI have a 1GB ext2 partition for the rootfs and applications.14:35
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OuiDhas anybody managed to do x11forwarding with dropbear? I constantly get X auth refused even withXomap -ac. drives me nuts!14:52
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KnirchOuiD: seems to have a lot of discussion on the subject, not sure there's a solution in there though14:56
OuiDKnirch: thanx I'm user 'free' on this forum :)15:00
cosmooh, i just noticed bluetooth file transfers work really on ubuntu+n80015:01
cosmoyou can send files both ways easily15:02
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KnirchOuiD: then I guess you know of that thread ;)15:02
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OuiDKnirch: yeah I'm waiting for your contribution ;)15:06
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KnirchOuiD: :) My 770 is misplaced at the moment and I don't have a personal interest in using forwarding, so my contribution will most likely take a while :D15:10
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alteregoHmm ..17:34
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alteregoIs it possible to get the hildon version at runtime?17:43
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pupnikwhy do i have to add user/ to the "Section" of all debs?19:00
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pupnikpardon me, i broked seomthing19:07
pupnikldconfig: File /usr/lib/ is too small, not checked.19:07
pupnikldconfig: File /usr/lib/ is too small, not checked.19:07
pupnikwhat the fix?19:07
sp3000my libs are bigger than your libs19:07
sp3000useful sp3000 is useful19:07
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pupnikthis is part of libc619:10
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pupnikdpkg -L libc6 |grep thread  ayh19:12
pupnikfixed et, me maytees19:13
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pupnik~nobody knoes, the dependencies i've seen~19:15
pupnik~nobody knoes, bat jeeebus~19:16
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pupnikgood morning Andy8020:05
* Andy80 19:06 here :)20:06
b0unc3ciao Andy80 ;)20:06
Andy80is b0unc3 a bot?20:07
Andy80sorry :P20:07
Andy80b0unc3: .it ?20:07
pupnik~nobody knoes, the dependencies i've seen~20:08
b0unc3Andy80: yes20:08
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pupniklibflac and friends built20:18
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pupniklibsmpeg and friends built20:24
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pupniklibvorbisidec1_1.0.2+svn12153-1_armel.deb and -dev built20:33
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pupnikbleh building tetex-base is not fun20:38
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
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pupnikgs and gs-gpl built20:49
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pupnikgs-common built20:52
pupnikspeex and libspeex built20:57
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killfillwhat do you guys use  as mediaserver?..20:59
killfill(what software)20:59
Troseph_I use apache2 on my main server.20:59
Troseph_and vlc on my work machine20:59
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killfilloh.. well i mean for upnp or daap21:00
||cware there a lot of options?21:00
killfilldont know.. ive try three that doesn work. and on windows cannot make one work.. :P21:02
* killfill feels stupid21:02
killfillmayeb its not a mediaserver really.. :P21:02
TPCcan't you just nfs mount your desktop computer21:03
TPCand access files over that21:03
* mgedmin will wait until the tablest can "just nfs mount" out of the box without painful kernel upgrades, thank you very much21:04
TPCyeah, that would have been nice21:04
TPCI haven't had mine for long, so far I've mostly scp:ed over media I wanted to play21:05
suihkulokkiyeah, that's the reason people buy iphones and not n800's - missing nfs support21:05
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erstazikillfill: I use slimserver21:06
erstazikillfill: its very efficient21:06
erstazion a side note, I find NFS to be very dreadful, even though I have 2 PC's with XPP, I just find EXT3 or ReiserFS to be more efficient21:07
erstaziand I don't need to defrag21:07
TPCerstazi, how can you compare NFS with EXT3 and ReiserFS?21:07
TPCone is a filesystem, the other is a network protocol21:08
killfillnfs.. not ntfs.. :)21:08
* erstazi lays off the jd21:08
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TPCits kind of like network shares in windows, except good21:09
killfilldamn.. 27 MB is slimserver..21:09
killfillim over a 10k connection.. :S21:10
TPCsshfs support would be nice out of the box21:10
TPCbut the encryption can slow things down on a device like the N800, who doesn't have the fastest cpu21:10
tomvhi. is it known that scratchbox installations using the 4.0beta script don't work when using a non /scratchbox path? (rpath...) if not, is the maemo bugzilla the right place to report it?21:12
pupniklibid3-3.8.3c2a_3.8.3-6_armel.deb built21:13
killfillhm.. but slimserver isnt a daap server, is it?..21:13
* mgedmin is just allergic to words "just" and "simply" used in explanations21:14
||cwiphone supports nfs?21:15
||cwdid I read that right?21:16
suihkulokkino, I was being extremely sarcastic21:17
pupnikshould i disable unaligned memory access for speed ?21:19
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tomvsay, is python available for the sdk4.0 beta?21:42
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luck^tomv, not yet. I can generate it under x86 target, but the armel target has a problem with qemu21:44
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luck^tomv, it doesn't allow to use threads (its related with a lack of NPTL support inside qemu)21:47
tomvluck^: what's with the recipe on your blog?21:49
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luck^tomv, it works with alpha version21:50
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tomvluck^, could I try it for the beta or is that doomed to fail?21:50
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luck^tomv, I suppose it will fail, because they removed some libs from alpha version.. but you can try :)21:52
wdayhi, (i'm currently poking through the irclog, but) I'm wondering if there is anything other than octave that works as a good scientific calculator (think physics course work) for the n80021:54
wdaynice, hp 42s emulator, I suppose that could work21:57
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tomvok. will do. I guess that when the problem is qemu-related, it's complicated enough not to be worked on by the random passer-by...22:01
tomvluck^: ^22:01
luck^tomv, unfortunately  :(22:05
tomvluck^: hm. :( so is your blog the place to watch?22:07
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luck^tomv, for sure. I'm only posting things related to pymaemo22:09
pupniknew dosbox -
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tomvluck^: ok. thanks for now. and good luck!22:13
Thanatermesisok ppl, 2 questions :) how i install a gcc and where i can get a nice sources.list for a new n800 ?22:13
_Monkeyrumour has it repositories is  and a searchable index at
luck^tomv, thanks! :)22:14
_Monkeyhmmm... scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development.  Homepage:   Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial:  Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial:  A walkthrough for 3.x:  Scratchbox Downloads:
pupnikThanatermesis: ^^22:14
Thanatermesisthx pupnik :)22:15
Thanatermesisabout the repositories... is safe that i add "all the repositories" ?22:15
Thanatermesisor exist some conficts between libs and stuff ?22:16
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lle2if there's somebody here who's involved with the chinook rootstraps, I've couple of questions22:18
lle21: what do you smoke?22:19
DeformatiSo bored.22:19
lle22: could you please stop and have some Clue(TM) instead?22:20
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unique311is it possible to start windows from the command prompt?22:22
sp3000if you install windows first :P22:22
DeformatiSo bored.22:24
DeformatiI already said that,22:24
lle2still bored?22:24
Thanatermesisthe applications give with the tablet (maemo apps?), are open source ?22:27
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||cwThanatermesis: much of it is, but not all22:28
akjohnHello all.. Greetings from Alaska...22:30
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akjohnSomeone have a moment to help me with the new browser?22:30
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akjohnPlease? Sorry I forgot that..22:32
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Thana`the applications that n800 has, are open source ?22:34
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||cwakjohn:  be more specific?22:35
||cwThana`: much of it is, but not all22:35
Thana`||cw, some applications seems interesting, like the wifi or bluetooth ones22:35
akjohn||cw, Ah, thanks. I would like to change the browser engine the UI is using but I can not seem to find any documentation on how to do that..22:36
||cwthe wifi driver in 770 was not, not sure about the 800, and I don't know about the applet22:36
||cwakjohn: the browser is opera, I'm not aware that the "engine" can be changed22:36
||cwyou can install another browser though22:36
Thana`no, driver no... the GUI apps :)22:37
Thana`btw, what's the WM ?22:37
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akjohn||cw, I have installed the microb engine, but I now cannot switch back to the opera engine..22:37
akjohn||cw, I would like to be able to switch back and forth without the uninstall/install hassle. Seems like it could be done..22:37
||cwThana`: maemo22:37
lle2so no chinook developers alive here?22:38
bmidgleylle2: I'm trying it out22:38
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lle2bmidgley: it's not even trying to work for me22:38
lle2bmidgley: apt-get source libglib2.0-0 fails...22:39
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bmidgleylle2: some strange error about IP not found eh22:40
lle2for me it says that glib2.0 doesn't exist22:40
lle2I'm on sb2 obviously22:40
lle23.1 rootstrap works just fine, to the extent that I expect, which is not that much, but still.22:41
bmidgleylle2: looks like their repository needs updating22:41
akjohnAnyone know how to type the "esc" key in the xterm?22:41
revCtrl-[ or ] ?22:42
lle2the backflipping arrowy thing22:42
rev[ i think22:42
revor that22:42
bmidgleyyeah I couldn't find the | symbol either22:42
||cwakjohn: the circle-arrow hardware button is ESC22:42
lle2I'm starting to suspect that chinook SDK will be a total disaster for sb2 use22:43
Thana`what is bora, mistral..22:44
akjohn||cw, Back to Opera! Sweet. Thanks for the help. Now how come in my multi-hour search a thon I could not find that.22:44
||cwThana`: version, like debian's sarge, etch22:44
loganbrkillfill: I use mediatomb as a mediaserver. It works okay. www.mediatomb.cc22:44
akjohn||cw, I can use gmail again..22:45
revdarr, speaking of opera, i have to upgrade to te newer OS image one of these days22:45
revare there any gotchas with it?22:45
revthe one nokia released recently-ish22:45
||cwakjohn: I just searched for "microb opera" and that was on the first page22:45
revi was installing some packages for a mozilla engine and it killed my opera install22:45
Thana`aha, and what's one ? bora is the stable and mistral is the testing ?22:45
akjohn||cw, Sigh.. I was getting too complicated with the search terms I guess..22:45
revperhaps that is what we were talking about?22:45
||cwThana`: no, they are just versions.  I don't recall what's the newest22:46
akjohnrev, Its fine as far as I can tell.. Finger input is better in some ways and worse in others..22:46
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akjohnrev, The new browser crashes a little too much for me though..22:47
revakjohn: does it fix the crappiness of stylus input i have on my N800 (that I didn't on my 770) ?22:47
akjohnrev, Mmm.. Maybe, what crappiness are you referring to? :-)22:47
revakjohn: oh? crashy? i never had many problems on my n800 or 770, with the older images i've used... something to be concerned about?22:47
revakjohn: maybe, but i never do finger input. for instance, when i am entering text w/ the softkeyboard, i often have to go back and do it again, this time slowly and watching to make sure the key lights up22:48
akjohnrev, Just in the new browser.. Everything else seems fine..22:48
akjohnrev, Mmm.. I have not noticed that problem..22:48
revakjohn: but it happens often enough that i know it isn't just me, because it began happening the day i got my N800 and ditched my 77022:48
revif i type "ls -l" in xterm, it usually registers "ll" or something22:48
revand i'm not going all that fast22:48
revit just doesn't register a tap22:49
akjohnrev, Mmm. Nope. I do not have that problem at all..22:49
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akjohn||cw, Thanks again. I am back in business..22:53
Thana`||cw, ok, im going to add some repositories to have a big list of applications available that my GF can install what she want... its a problem that i can add all the repos available ?22:53
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