IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-09-18

alteregoCrap .. That was my next idea ^_^00:00
stralterego: yes...00:00
lle2maybe there's an undocumented mute feature00:01
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alteregoHe says he can hear the radio, so you're using head phones for that. What about whilst watching video or listening to audio?00:03
alteregoDoes the FM radio produce static out of the loudspeakers?00:03
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DRoBeRHello and good night!00:08
DRoBeRAt last I have an N800 :)00:08
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str_stupid connection :(00:09
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DRoBeRHello, str  :)00:09
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str_so... again....  no one knows what could be with my sound :'(00:09
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alteregoSorry :/00:14
dk00Hi there, I'm curious if my Nokia LD-3W has compat issues with maemo mapper - it is constantly stuck at establishing gps fix screen... any ideas?00:14
dk00Is there a way to see if correct channel is being used, or a place to modify it?00:14
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pupnikdunno sorry00:18
pupnikgot a simpler question/00:18
alteregodk00, how long have you had the device?00:18
pupnikstr_: do you get system sounds?  i.e. when starting up?00:19
dk00heh, alterego both are newly acquired.00:20
dk00ive updated the 770 with latest software...00:20
dk002006 3.xxx00:20
alteregoOh, I was talking to str sorry :)00:20
dk00ahh, help!00:21
alteregoHmm ..00:21
dk00is there more specific nokia 770 support chane?00:21
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alteregoWell, I know a bit about BT and a bit about GPS. But unfortunately I've never used my N800 with a GPS :/00:21
alteregoSo I can't help you I'm afriad.00:21
alteregoOh wait.00:21
dk00waiting... :)00:21
alteregoDo you have a console?00:21
dk00ah, yes i can install xterm00:22
dk00after flash all is gone, so need toreinstall00:22
* alterego tries to remember how these things work ..00:22
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dk00is there a way to see further details when a 'package is incompatible with current software'00:23
dk00these messages are so damn vague00:23
alteregoUrm ..00:24
alteregoThere should be a dep list.00:24
pupnikthere's a log in the app manager00:25
alteregoOh wow .. I wasn't expecting that ..00:25
dk00aha, thanks pupnik00:25
alteregoI didn't realise the status bar would expand downwards ^_^00:25
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dk00section: user/FOO must have user to be compatible]00:26
dk00while trying to install downloaded .deb of osso-xterm00:26
pupnikthe packager made a mistake then00:26
dk00can edit package?00:26
pupnikbut i think you might have found an outdated version00:27
pupnikcause those mistakes get fixed fast00:27
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dk00is there a main repository to access?00:27
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_Monkeyhmmm... xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. or for an alternate onscreen keyboard00:27
dk00to acquire these apps?00:27
alteregoosso-xterm is what I use on my N800 and 77000:27
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dk00is there an app catalog for that?00:28
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pupniklooks like osso-xterm-advanced should be in the default repository00:28
pupnikFilename: pool/maemo2.2/free/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb00:30
pupniksection: maemo/Applications   hrm?!00:30
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pupnikguess it's not in user section... oh well - that's the xterm I gots00:30
dk00altergo, what did u suggest i check when i access console00:31
alteregoRight, can you get root?00:31
alteregoOh wait, you might not have too.00:31
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alteregoNo, you shouldn't need root.00:32
alteregoRight, exec: hcitool con00:32
alteregoWhen the application is running.00:32
alteregoThat should tell you if you're connected to the device or not.00:32
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dk00mmapper tells me the device is connected00:33
alteregoWell what did you want to know then?00:34
dk00it is stuck at establishing gps fix00:34
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dk00i was wondering if there are some channels that could be not correctly configured00:34
alteregoWhat channels?00:34
alteregoBluetooth channels?00:34
dk00any hardware settings in other words00:35
alteregoIf it's connected then it's connected.00:35
alteregoYou can always check to see if there's a /dev/rfcomX entry00:35
[31d1]have you tried it outside? so you can actually get a gps fix?00:35
dk00momment, installing xerm00:35
_Monkeyi heard xterm was the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. or for an alternate onscreen keyboard00:35
alteregoThat could get annoying ..00:36
alterego_Monkey doesn't know ruby :(00:36
_Monkeyalterego: excuse me?00:36
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alteregoYou heard.00:36
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dk00hcitool con outputs a connection00:37
dk00< ACL xxmacxx handle 1 state 1 1m MASTER00:37
dk00oohhhhh what is going on here!00:37
dk003/12 sats00:37
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dk00but no fix still, progress bar moved though.00:38
dk00something is getting better!00:38
dk00how sensitive is the gps unit to obstructions,... walls. buildings in area?00:38
dk00(first gps unit)00:38
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[31d1]mine has a hard time getting a fix unless im really outside00:39
[31d1]i.e not out of the window00:39
dk00i see.. i got this building right beside me00:39
[31d1]in the car is not bad, but indoors is bad00:39
dk00and im inside as well.00:39
dk00thanks, 12 sats in view00:39
dk003 in use00:39
dk00but still hasnt "fixed"00:39
dk00if that is the term00:40
[31d1]yeah you're just obstructed00:40
[31d1]go outside and it will work fine im sure00:40
dk00ahh, outside for a smoke00:40
dk00brb ;)00:40
dk00damn swedish rain00:40
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[31d1]better swedish rain than raining swedish meatballs, is what i always say00:41
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[31d1]the quality of your rain is more than made up for by the quality of your bikini team00:43
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DRoBeRDid you try openssh-server on your N800, people?00:46
dk00back, that was pretty cool it finally worked00:52
dk00even auto downloaded some map00:53
dk00though the street i am on is not there00:53
dk00and oddly enough, it was detecting my smoke break at 7.1km/hr lol00:53
dk00back inside the building, 0/9 sats lot signal00:53
[31d1]'a quick smoke''00:53
dk00i thought they were better..00:54
dk00sirf iii00:54
[31d1]nah - cellphone ones work inside cause they do assisted gps afaik00:54
[31d1]ie triangulate from towers00:54
dk00assisted by gsm perhaps?00:54
dk00yep, makes sense to me00:54
[31d1]im just glad it works through the car roof and in my pocket00:55
dk00must be, because a friends blackberry was doing gps with no problems in a basement00:55
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dk00hah, the red "route" it drew is a funny scribble00:56
dk00though i wasnt moving00:56
dk00ok, so... thats figured out00:56
dk00what are some interesting apps for this 77000:56
[31d1]yeah it'll be off a bit at high zoom. works surprisingly well when driving00:56
dk00is there a good place to aquire higher detailed maps?00:57
dk00integrating directions, poi etc00:57
[31d1]you gotta look around for 'repositories' thats about all you get though00:57
dk00ok, thanks00:57
[31d1]theres a googlemaps->gpx convertor at gnuite/maemo-mapper site00:58
* pupnik hates nls00:58
[31d1]so you can convert directions to a route00:58
dk00nice, gpx sounds cool00:59
dk00what kind of maps are compatible? is there a standard?00:59
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[31d1]i think he adds new ones as people find them - the standard is a url with exactly 3 variables in order x y and zoom01:02
[31d1]but some munging is required for each one i think01:02
[31d1]internettablettalk has threads with different map urls01:02
[31d1]that work01:02
[31d1]you gotta poke around to find them cause i guess its a bit of a legal gray area01:03
dk00cool thanks01:03
dk00itt is the "main" forum?01:03
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dk00great, thanks guys01:05
dk00now time to unlock this nokia 6300 bb5... grrr01:06
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pupnikUAE is frustrating01:12
* pupnik prays the next nokia tablet has OpenGL01:13
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bedboihmmm opengl??01:15
pupnikyeah, it's pretty uncertain since opengl isn't central to the purpose of the tablet01:16
pupnikbut... just one nice application - arbitrary scaling for 2D emulators/games01:17
pupnikalso much faster compositing/transparency for 2D games and apps01:17
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pupnikis there an strace for the tablet?01:29
pupnikoh duh yes01:29
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pupnikgod bless strace01:43
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pupnikhi beavis01:46
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alteregoRuby maemo is now packaged :)02:26
* alterego uploads uploads uploads!02:27
pupnikfor web work?02:27
alteregoNo, hildon bindings ..02:27
alteregoFor creating GUI apps.02:27
alteregoJust gotta do some finishing touches to my maemo website and it'll be open for business :)02:28
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pupnikgreat!  another language for the tablets02:30
alteregoOnce I've uploaded the API docs too and a bit of text describing the stuff I'll advertise it on the mailing list.02:31
alteregoRight now though, it's all there ready to be used :)02:31
alteregoI build that site and cleaned up all the source. As well as learned and packaged all of the packages O_O02:32
alteregoIt's been quite a day.02:32
alteregoI even put little icons on all of the packages in the application installer :) Quite proud of those ^_^02:32
pupniki have to do that too02:37
pupnikare there any menu-launchable applications then?  or just command-line?02:37
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pupnikvery productive day then alterego congratulations02:39
alteregoJust command line. There's no libosso bindings yet.,02:40
alteregoThat is my next tast.02:40
alteregoSo can't add apps to the application launcher.02:40
alteregoBut the hildon bindings work a treat. I've wrote a few GUI apps and examples.02:40
alteregoI've been using the osso-graph-applet as a launcher menu for my ruby apps so far.02:41
pupnikno understanding here - i am always in sdl-land02:43
alteregoI'll make ruby SDL bindings too ;)02:43
alteregoI'm going to single handedly show those Python boyz who's boss :P02:44
alteregoI do have some plans for my ruby-maemo ports.02:45
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pupniki've met a couple of smart people who love ruby02:47
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alteregoYup, they sound smart. :D02:48
* kupesoft waits for a new cx3110x driver that has packet injection02:48
alteregoDid you not say that earlier?02:48
alteregoI think kupesoft really wants those cx3110x packet injector enabled driverz.02:49
kupesoftI did.02:49
kupesoftAnd I do.02:49
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pupnikmaybe you can organize some sponsors for development02:54
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DeformatiDidn't have time to do anything on the mailing list.02:55
DeformatiI still need to get my hub and/or storage cards.02:55
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pupnikwormux wants 109 MB RAM03:14
* Deformati wants 109mb of ram03:15
pupnikwhat to do what to do...03:16
DeformatiTry to compile onboard gcc03:17
pupniki thought that was done already03:17
DeformatiYeah, but no directions.03:17
DeformatiAnd it is 3.4403:17
DeformatiWhich is sucky.03:17
DeformatiI want 4.1.203:17
DeformatiNOT 4.203:18
pupnikwhat happens when you build gcc in scratchbox?03:18
DeformatiMissing file.03:19
Deformati /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-ar: libgcc/./_udivsi3.o: No such file or directory03:19
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pupnikhmm chicken-and-egg problem perhaps03:19
DeformatiNot really.03:20
DeformatiJust scratchbox suckage problem.03:20
DeformatiIf I had more storage I could _try_ to compile it right on the nokia.03:23
DeformatiI guess I could try with nfs or something..03:23
unique311k, so i downloaded avot mv for my ppc6700, and notice that it plays youtube videos much better than my N800.03:26
DeformatiI should theme my nokia 77003:27
unique311possibel to run wm6 on my N800 ;)03:27
pupnik"Love is like a snowmobile, racing across the tundra. You're speeding along happily, but then suddenly it flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."03:27
pupnikfinally i find out where iceweasel comes from03:27
pupnikhey unique311 ... you seem to have a lot of fun toys :/03:28
unique311the ppc is really nice.03:29
unique311was my fav before the N800.03:29
unique311but lately been using the ppc more than the N80003:29
unique311I just left avot media feedback requesting a nokia client.  its a free software, hopefully someone over there has a heart.03:34
unique311so anyone a proud owner of an itouch yet?03:34
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pupnikdo you want to test pingus or wormux?03:41
pupnikthey're both too big for me to host right now03:42
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unique311pingus or wormux03:54
unique311my tablet sucks right now..03:54
unique311i have to reflash, but not touching so i don't have to anytime soon.03:55
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DeformatiTomorrow I will hopefully have time to join the mailing list and get some halp.04:40
DeformatiBut now, I need sleep.04:40
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pupnikunique311: both are too bloated to run well on the 770 unfortunately05:13
NeoStriderwhats the game of the turn?05:16
unique311how big? both?05:17
unique311I'll try when i set up my sd card for dual boot.05:17
pupnikok well wormux seems to need about 109 MB *ram*05:24
pupnikand pingus at about 65 MB05:24
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disqanybody wants to test the new kagu before we upload it to the repositories?05:39
disqhuge changelog:
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unique311disq: I'll test06:15
disqcan get it from :)06:18
disqerm, the kagu project garage page that is06:18
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unique311the colors rock06:54
bedboiunique311: what colors?06:57
_Monkeycolors are not coming to me.06:57
pupniktake more LSD06:57
bedboii don't have LSD handy06:58
unique311download the new version06:58
unique311great job on the gui06:58
unique311new icons06:59
bedboilets try07:01
unique311willing to donate a couple of bucks to you guys job.07:02
bedboiyea much better07:02
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unique311fancy screen visualization, and it'll be complete....future request maybe?07:07
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unique311my bluetooth headset still doesn't work with it, so thats a -07:19
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saaib_I'm trying to install maemo mapper into my 770, but can't find the sqlite3 dependency nowhere in garage07:29
_Monkeyi think repositories is  and a searchable index at
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saaib_thanks pupnik , I'm trsting now the 770 they send back07:31
saaib_I notice the signal level of the AP in the 770 show very low compared to my laptop.. (I have the AP in the same desk)07:31
saaib_do anyone knows of any issue like this?07:32
pupniki do not. My 770 has reception as good as or better than my wlan cards/dongles07:33
saaib_the previous 770 had very good reception as well07:33
pupnikin the same room you should have full signal07:33
saaib_I was in the living room and I couldn't get the signal07:34
saaib_I had the laptop in the living room also and it was showing full excellent signal07:34
pupniki don't know any tricks.  maybe someone has info on the forums07:35
saaib_looks like this is going to be a long night :)07:35
pupniki have signal problems but that is because this house is massive concrete and germany limits TX power to 100mw07:37
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cosmoanyone installed 4.0 beta yet?10:50
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robtaylorHey, does anyone know how to unbreak my theme on sardine? I have hildon-theme-plankton-3 installed, but everything's juste gtting rendered with default gtk thesme, and switching it in the theme switcher doesnt seem to have an effect..12:01
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timeless!seen tim samoff12:02
timelessany one have his contact info?12:03
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alteregoIs there a document explaining the differences between 2.X and 3.X ?12:48
alteregoI'm getting a segfault with a hildon app.12:48
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Nermallo lo12:53
Nermalhow would I go about pairing a bluetooth device with my n800 that has a non numeric pair code ? :)12:53
gla55_never ran into one that used non numeric12:54
mgedmindoes it have a hardcoded pairing code?12:56
mgedminusually the devices let you enter any code you like12:56
NermalNAVMAN :|12:56
* Nermal sighs12:56
timeless!seen tim samoff12:59
timelessany one have his contact info?13:00
Nermalwhats his online nick ?13:01
timelessdunno ;)13:01
alteregoAhaha ..13:02
timelessall i have is his blog and i need to email him13:02
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Nermalwhere is the user .gconf dir in maemo ?13:13
Nermaltis not in ~/.gconf :|13:13
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timelessmaemo isn 't multiuser ;)13:21
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Nermaltimeless: ah13:33
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Nermalhmm.. copied an existing bluetooth gconf entry and updated the %gconf.xml file13:33
Nermalbut still not appearing in gconf-editor :|13:33
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alteregoAlmost done .. Me thinks ..13:50
alteregoYup :) Now I've got the bindings on mistral ^_^13:52
alteregoNot happy about the method mind. I'll have to work on that a bit more.13:53
janiarent %files in gconf are just temp files which are used while saving to ensure that nothing is lost if writing happens.13:53
unique311morning all13:57
timelessthey're the persistent ones afaik but not guaranteed usefully editable if gconf is running13:57
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gw280is there any API documentation anywhere for the EAL stuff?15:53
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Nermalanyone know what toolchain I want to install for scratchbox ?  scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-glibc2.3   (as per the wiki) isn't available it seems (no glibc just ulibc)16:08
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Nermallooking at
suihkulokkiNermal: read the maemo tutorials on maemo.org16:09
NermalI'm looking :|16:11
Nermalbloody hard to find16:11
NermalI _hate_ the sodding site16:11
Nermalbah - too tired to wrestle with it now16:13
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suihkulokkithat was a -> tutorials -> maemo tutorial16:15
suihkulokkinow I don't know why they have "tutorials" section, when there is only tutorial there16:16
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trevarthanhello. has anyone tried the latest pre-release version of kagu yet?
trevarthanwe need some people to test it before we put it up on the mirrors.16:38
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trevarthanBrand new theme, M3U support, a Volume Slider (for sparr), and much much more.16:39
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cosmotrevarthan: i'll try16:54
trevarthanBTW, unique311 made a thread on ITT about it:
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cosmotrevarthan: python dependency fails on N80016:58
cosmois there a way to install it easily?16:59
trevarthanyou need python 1.5, yeah16:59
_Monkeysomebody said python was at!16:59
trevarthanthere you go. thanks monkey.16:59
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trevarthansorry, python 2.5, not 1.5.16:59
Nermalpupnik_: hows the wormux port coming on?16:59
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cosmoi think nokia should add python to official repos.. too hard for end user17:00
trevarthannot, hard, just not clear. I agree.17:01
cosmoargh, pyhton's libsdl-ttf dependency fails17:01
trevarthanwhat? from the pymaemo site's download link?17:02
cosmook, i have custom flash image, it might be not real problem17:02
trevarthanoh. you a Nokian?17:02
suihkulokkicosmo: ask the pymaemo people to simplify the installation17:03
cosmotrevarthan: no but contractor17:04
trevarthanI don't think they can. It draws from multiple repos. that's just not allowed.17:04
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cosmoand now i broke garage.maemo.org17:06
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trevarthanHello. Are there any Nokians around? I'd like to know if it's possible to open up Kagu's garage wiki to editing by the general public.17:19
disqsay "gstreamer is a piece of crap" and see if they respond17:21
janiwha! GSTREAMER CRAP! Foo on yo mamma!17:21
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trevarthanoh no. why did you mention that disq? I'm trying to let it blow over17:23
trevarthanI want them to like me again. :)17:23
disqwhy let it blow over. their response sucked17:24
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trevarthanyeah, it did.17:24
trevarthanmine did too though. I refused to file a bug report. that's not very nice.17:24
disqit's not a open source dictatorship. you don't have to file a bug report17:25
trevarthangood point.17:26
janiim kinda on the same side as daniel said (if i remember right) - most people on the maemo dev list just write there as inviduals with no corporate agenda . so their responses can good or bad depending on how early morning it is and phase of the moon =)17:28
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trevarthanjani: so you're saying that you hate me too, eh? That's sad. I'm a nice person. I just like to make smart ass remarks about gstreamer, that's all.17:29
janinah, i dont hate you =)17:29
janii like smart asses.17:29
janior else, i would hate myself.17:29
trevarthanI consider myself pwned by gstreamer. I fought the machine, and the machine won.17:30
disqthat's why we i didn't make it a big deal on the list, didn't even respond. they don't have to post messages in maemo-dev and inform us of this and that or help us17:30
cosmotrevarthan: sorry, but my office lan seems to suffer some network problems.. can't test kagu :(17:31
trevarthancosmo: np. you're running a newer firmware anyway. that makes it unreasonably difficult, I'm sure.17:31
janiwhat i meant really is that, as inviduals people might not be so politically correct all the time and well, ofcourse we should be nice to each other but i guess there's few smartasses on nokia office too =)17:32
trevarthanIf anyone *not* running newer firmware would like to test Kagu, please do so.17:32
trevarthanjani: make a smart ass remark (gstreamer == poo), get a smart ass answer. yeah. I did it to myself.17:33
trevarthanthat would make a nice message T. "gstreamer == poo"17:33
janiduud! thats karma! =)17:33
trevarthanI should work at ThinkGeek17:33
disqlove thinkgeek17:34
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TPCanyone familiar with creating maemo mapper repositories?17:57
TPChere is an example URL:
Nermalthanks suihkulokki17:58
cosmotrevarthan: i got kagu to work now. seems to work :)17:59
trevarthanoh, good.18:01
trevarthanyou like it?18:01
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cosmoyup.. i'll try it with my home 770 later18:05
trevarthancosmo: It does A2DP too, but you have to install that separately, and A2DP doesn't work well on the 770 due to CPU limitations.18:06
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* Nermal pokes pupnik_ 18:27
Nermalany scratchbox users here - I'm part of the group sbox and doing id <myuser> lists me as being so, but when I run login I get "permission denied" :|18:33
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cosmoNermal: did you remember to log out and back after adding yourself to group?18:36
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NermalI started a new gnome-terminal but that doesn't seem to be enough18:47
Nermalit's working in a standard console but bloody bash is beeping a lot :|18:47
Nermaloffice getting annoyed :|18:47
Nermalsudo -u myuser login worked18:48
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pupnik_Nermal: i've adjusted menu positions to run in 800x480, but need to find out what is taking up the memory18:54
pupnik_just minor sdl tweak 32-16bpp18:57
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disqokay, released kagu 1.0.8 on the repositories also19:09
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unique311disq: like the new release alot.19:10
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disqthanks we worked on it a lot :)19:10
unique311you should check this out..
disqhave you discovered/used the combos yet?19:11
disqi keep refreshing that thread19:11
disqsee the changelog :)19:12
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unique311hold thumb at NowPlayingButton and use the dpad for actions19:26
unique311don't get it?19:26
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unique311a2dp, cant get my bluetooth headset to work...motorola H500...19:30
unique311do you guys have a supported headset list?19:31
unique311or is it suppose to work with all bluetooth headsets19:31
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disqnot my area19:38
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disqbut if it doesn't work it's a a2dpd/headset problem19:42
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unique311it connects, just no sound coming out of my headset..19:44
unique311i know i have the correct mac addresss19:44
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unique311How do I get Mplayer instead the media player to open links?20:10
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unique311everytime i click on a video link, media player opens up.20:10
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pupnikMMPC is a music player frontend by Holger M. that allows you to control a music player on the PC:
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DigExorcistAnyone know how to get the open-ssh server and client into the same install on a 770?  I'm having troubles.21:51
DigExorcistAlso, I've had some interesting troubles trying to get my i-tech virtual keyboard working reliably too - already killed my 770 once (screen lines) and now I'm trying another round of making the keyboard work...21:53
DigExorcistThe bt plugin is a total reboot driver at this point21:53
DigExorcistand doing the connect manually with the hidd --connect command worked once, but, resulted in a mis-mapping21:53
DigExorcistthe driver thought the keyboard was a boot device!?21:54
pupnik"One should choose one's bedfellows while it is daylight." -Swedish proverb21:55
* DigExorcist thinks pupnik has had one too many frightful mornings after...21:56
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DigExorcistJust rebooted it again22:03
* DigExorcist thinks BT and the 770 just doesn't want to work with bt keyboards...22:04
DigExorcistRebooted once more22:05
DigExorcistDoes anyone know if the hidd --server is related to the maemo bt plugin?  Does the plugin rely upon it?22:05
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pupnikit seems to be all integrated into it2006se22:08
pupnikearlier i had to install a daemon for bt keyboard22:08
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DigExorcistthere's no way to connect the keyboard through a gui without the btplugin22:08
DigExorcistI've just rebooted the thing like 15 times, and only 6 of those were intentional22:09
pupniksounds like something is corrupt/instable - 770 should be very stable with fresh install22:12
DigExorcistWhen I do the manual connect method without the BTplugin installed, using "hcitool scan" I find the mac address of the bt keyboard22:14
DigExorcistthen I do an "hidd --connect address"22:14
DigExorcistit seems to paid okay, but then that's where it ends22:15
DigExorcistwhen I do an "hidd --show" I tells me "Bluetooth HID Boot Protocol Device" connected [boot-protocol]22:15
DigExorcistreally weird22:15
DigExorcistThis happens on two different fresh-built 770's22:16
DigExorcistIt's not a corruption thing at all22:16
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DigExorcistIt happened before I sent mine in for service22:16
DigExorcistAlthough, then, it actually worked for a little while, before dying.22:16
DigExorcistI actually once had the keyboard pairing on demand over 5 times22:17
DigExorcistbut now, I'm lucky if it works at all22:17
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pupnikthinkoutside stowaway?22:17
DigExorcisthuh?  that a different kind of keyboard?22:18
pupnikthat's my kbd22:18
pupniki have a fresh install without bt configured22:19
DigExorcistbut that keyboard lacks to ultimate cool factor that the i-tech has22:20
DigExorcistat least now I'm getting accurate handling of the keyboard right now, but the return key doesn't work - kind tough on shell sessions22:20
pupnikhcitool scan22:21
DigExorcistctrl-m works though22:21
pupnik00:19:15:0A:21:55       Think Outside Keyboard22:21
DigExorcisthidd --list22:22
pupnikfor return key you might have to do maemo-gtk-im-switch xim then restart xterm?  not sure22:22
pupnikok that shows nothing - no hid kbd defined22:22
DigExorcist00:0D:3C:40:86:E9 Bluetooth HID Boot Protocol Device [00:00:0000] connected [boot-protocol]22:23
pupnikah good 4 you22:23
DigExorcistwhy is a keyboard showing as boot device?22:23
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Tu13es_anyone here using OpenVPN who might be able to help me?22:25
DigExorcistneed my keyboard before I go there, and then it'll be pptp for me22:26
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saaibDigExorcist, when your 770 got screwed (screen lines) you send it back for replacement?22:28
DigExorcistyep - had coverage from Nokia since it was a new purcahse about a month ago via a vendor or ebay22:29
DigExorcistthat is, a vendor on ebay22:29
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DigExorcistI also subsequently purchase a 3-year SquareTrade warranty since this thing is too cool to have die for crappy reasons.22:29
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DigExorcistNokia took 10 business days to repair it once it was reported as arrived in their tracking portal22:30
DigExorcistI got it back 2 days after that.22:30
DigExorcistSame unit too - that or they re-printed the MAC address sticker on the back22:30
Tu13es_the two times I've had to have my laptop repaired it was sent out, repaired, and returned to me within 3 days of calling to get it fixed22:31
gla55_lucky you22:32
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gla55_or were you on some non-normal-consumer onsite support?22:32
Tu13es_just plain ol AppleCare22:32
gla55_what brand?22:32
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pupnik*** Your STL library does not define method container::at()  grr22:35
pupnikdoes someone here know how i can bypass that configure error?22:35
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pupnik*** Please upgrade your standard C++ library to version 3.x22:39
pupnikDescription: The GNU Standard C++ Library v322:40
pupnikalready have it :(22:40
suihkulokkipupnik: search config.log for the failing testcase22:41
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pupnikgrep failed config.log |wc -l22:43
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pupnikah config.log is kind of helpful - ty22:43
pupnik/scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -ldld22:44
pupnikapt-cache search dld22:46
pupniklibltdl3 - A system independent dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool22:46
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DigExorcistAny of you have experience with the maemo-bt-plugin and the i-tech virtual laser keyboard?22:50
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pupnikwhat's it like typing on that?22:51
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DigExorcistIt's cool when it works22:54
DigExorcistfor me, I'm a 100wpm typist (computers for 35+ years now) and it forces some good habits, and frankly, it's way cool22:55
DigExorcistit does work, but you need to adjust it - out of the box it's a little too sensitive for my large fingers22:55
DigExorcistso I have to de-sensitize it, then things are okay22:55
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pupniki want one too.  then i'd be a bar+wlan lizard with that22:56
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DigExorcistI just want it to work, with the wireless on at the same time, without crashing the 77022:57
DigExorcistthe bt plugin sucks22:57
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DigExorcistdoing it from the command line also sucks22:57
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DigExorcistWhat apt-get sources to you folks use?22:59
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DigExorcistI have only 3 lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list file23:00, and
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DigExorcistAnd the normal tableteer nokia ones23:02
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_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
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[31d1]ooooh - dbus-scripts23:08
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DeformatiFucking damnit.23:20
DeformatiI purchased a hub23:20
DeformatiBut it doesn't come witht he 5v power supply23:20
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DigExorcistneed power supply - check this - I've been considering getting one...23:24
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||cwDeformati: did it come with a weird dual-plugged usb cable?23:25
DigExorcistThat'd be used in my USB 16gb card reader / music server project with wireless apache/php management setup23:25
Deformati||cw: no23:26
DigExorcistAll I need now is a combo CF card reader with USB hub23:26
Deformatiit might have23:26
gla55_lot's of 5v pushing things out there23:26
DeformatiI haven't opened it23:26
gla55_your pc for one, a lot of cellphone chargers second..23:27
DeformatiI am considering returning it.23:27
DeformatiThat is why I did not open it.23:28
DigExorcistthe weird dual connector ones are the worst, IME23:28
gla55_they're very hacktastic23:28
||cwyeah, a lot of mainboards don't supply enough mA23:29
DigExorcistI'd rather try to find one that has a built-in regulator, then wire a 6v AA supply to iy23:29
||cwand to take 2 ports of the mainboard kind of defeats the purpose23:29
||cwgood luck with that23:29
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DigExorcistWith the regulator, it'll work - just won't get more than 650ma off AA alkalines23:30
DigExorcistat least, not for long23:30
DigExorcistanyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common?23:31
DeformatiIt is like that.23:31
DeformatiDidn't come with a power cord as far as I can tell.23:31
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DigExorcistself-powered is the key word here - I have one of them for my laptop - works great for low power stuff like mice, BT adapters, and such23:32
||cwwhat are you going to power with it, besides the hub?23:32
DeformatiI want to do the usb hub hack.23:33
DeformatiBut I need a powered hub.23:33
DigExorcistthen wire a keyboard in?23:33
DeformatiNeeds power though.23:33
||cwjust an example, but the reciever for my cordless mouse only takes 50mA23:33
DigExorcistI've seen some projects that do this - the regulator is the best power source for that - if you don't wanna build it.23:34
||cwusb flash take 500 though23:34
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DigExorcistThe tough and crappy part is teh cables don't exist - unless you create them23:34
||cwgrab a project box, a dremel, and a trusty soldering iron23:35
||cwwasn't someone selling a kit?23:35
DigExorcistThen you need to make a USB B socket that wires into an existing hub's USB A socket, wire in power, and use a standard USB mini to USB B cable23:35
DeformatiHolly crap.23:36
DeformatiI just realized,.23:36
DigExorcistI fear the project box is a requirement for this23:36
DeformatiThe nokia itself has a 5v power cord.23:36
DigExorcistat least, I've not found an easy way around this23:36
DeformatiDoesn't look like it will fit though23:36
DigExorcistbut those wires are too frail to carry the 500ma needed to properly power the line23:36
||cwDeformati: yeah, nokia's little special plug23:37
DigExorcistAlso, remember, that the USB power, while providing host mode, will still not power the device23:37
DeformatiWell, I need a 5v 2.6A power cord23:37
||cwwhat wires are too frail?23:37
DeformatiOr a different hub.23:37
DigExorcistan optimal externally powered hub solution should provide both power for the USB and the device - two connectors, annoyance, etc.23:37
DigExorcistThe nokia power cord wires aren't that big - they're probably hair-thin inside that insulation23:38
||cwthe 770's charger is rated for 850mA output23:38
DigExorcistI'd still not fuck with that cord though23:38
DigExorcistperhaps getting a connector that's compatible from digi-key...23:38
||cwyeah, would be a bitch to deal with23:38
gla55_you don't have a dozen other chargers lying around?23:38
DigExorcistwe all do, I'm sure23:39
DigExorcistIf you're building for wired specifically, then get a powered hub to start with23:39
DigExorcistit'll be easier.23:39
||cwI got a car/usb/retractable power cord that has a swapable plug for both nokia charger types, it uses a 1/8" headphone jack with a screw-on lock, that would be hackable easily23:39
DigExorcistJust make darn sure the hub has a regulator on-board since you don't want a single glitch hitting the Nokia - or else you'll let the smoke out23:39
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DigExorcistanyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common?23:40
||cwwonder if i can find it again, was a pretty good deal23:40
DigExorcistanyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common? they're showing as "2 not upgraded" no matter what I do23:40
DigExorcistnever mind - I think I got it23:41
DigExorcistthe new apt sources may just fix it23:41
DigExorcistahh -- ssh support at last!23:42
DigExorcistnow if I can just get pptp to work...23:42
||cwyou'll need a new kernel for that, i think23:43
DigExorcisthow does one replace the kernel anyway?  Is that a dual boot setup?23:44
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* ||cw shrugs23:45
||cwI'm sure there's docs on the wiki23:45
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DigExorcistnot really - I've looked23:45
DigExorcistpeople talk about it, but there's no real "how to" out there23:45
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DigExorcistthis sucks23:46
DigExorcistI've got some stuckage in apt-get update now - and I have no clue how to get out23:47
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||cwI've found that apt generally breaks maemo, I don't the repo's are very "clean" like debian's23:47
||cwthis is kind of like the charger I got
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||cwi can't the exact one I got, the store I got it from doesn't list it on their website23:51
||cwthey probably don't carry it anymore anyway23:51
* ||cw curses compusa23:51
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||cwonly think close to a real computer store in all of St. Louis, and they just had to go and close all of them23:52
* DigExorcist knows that CompUSA sucks too23:52
PaavoDoes the N800 support 4 GB microSD cards? A friend of mine is considering getting an N800 and a 4 GB card...23:52
DigExorcistWhat about MicroCenter?23:52
DigExorcistThere's one here in Denver, and it rocks23:52
PaavoBy googling I find both "yes" and "no" answers...23:52
||cwPaavo: latest firmware supports 8GB cards, but I hear it's picky about them23:53
||cwthe original firware didn't support 4GB cards23:53
Paavolatest firmware, as in the latest official firmware?23:53
||cwthat's probably the no's you find23:53
DigExorcist||cw - look for Microcenter - they're much better than CompUSA, and there might be one nearby23:53
PaavoIT 2007 OS, the edition with Skype?23:54
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||cwDigExorcist: closest is 4 hours away23:54
DigExorcistthey're worth the drive, if you're desperate23:54
Paavo||cw: So the latest FW is picky just about 8 GB cards - 4 GB ones should work fine?23:54
||cwDigExorcist: if I'm desperate, I'll order for overnight shipping, it would cost mean at least $50 ro drive to chi and back23:55
||cwPaavo: that's what i hear, I don't have an 800 though23:55
DigExorcistDrop Microcenter a line and beg them to open a store where you are - tell them that CompUSA closed up shop...23:55
||cwPaavo: so take it as 4th hand info23:55
DigExorcistPersonally, I wish there was a Fry's Electronics out here...23:56
||cwDigExorcist: compusa had 4 stores in stl, you'd think could have left one open.  bastards.23:56
||cwyeah, me too23:56
DigExorcistThey're total tards23:56
DigExorcistOfficeDespot is starting to carry parts a little bit - they actually had CPU fans when I visited one a couple weeks ago!23:57
||cwthere's a coupkd small shops that I get by on, but either their prices are a bit high or they have a crap selection... "we can order it for you", yeah, i can order it too, fools23:57
DigExorcistSounds like it's time to open your own store23:58
DigExorcistWhat are all the osso-whatever programs - are they the entire Nokia interface??23:59

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