IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-09-15

pupniki've only used the stowaway kbd00:02
ffoegboypupnik, Is that good?00:02
pupniki love it, but i've only used that one00:03
pupniknokia makes one too00:04
pupnikfor me it was important that the keyboard locks into the open position so i can use it on uneven surfaces00:05
ffoegboypupnik, I was just about to ask you that, i need to use it in the car (not while driving lol)00:05
pupnikit doesn't firmly attatch to the 770, so if you use it on lap, you need a backpack or a case in lap00:07
pupnikon lap00:07
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pupnikit has a little stand upon which the 770 leans00:07
ffoegboyis it an HID keybard? Did you have any trouble connecting to the N77000:07
pupnikno trouble - yes hid profile00:07
DeformativeAre there any full size bluetooth keyboards?00:08
celestehthe computer store near my house is full of them00:08
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ffoegboypupnik, Im reading a review about it and it says it folds in the middle when open, didnt you say it locked flat when open?00:09
ffoegboypupnik, you mean it does lock open? what model is yours?00:09
pupnikthinkoutside stowaway00:10
pupniksorry my answer should have been no00:10
pupniki did not not say it locked flat when open00:10
pupnikthat means it locks into the flat position when opened00:10
DeformativeI want a traditional keyboard type thing.00:10
DeformativeNo folding00:10
ffoegboypupnik, sorry i missunderstood when you said that it was important that it locked open i thought that yiours did that00:11
pupnikit does not not lock into the open position00:11
ffoegboypupnik, i wonder if any do, that sounds like a good feature to have when travelling00:12
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pupnikthe thinkoutside stowaway does00:12
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DeformativeAre there any non folding blue tooth keyboard compatible with the 770?00:12
pupnikwhy Deformative ?00:13
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DeformativeBecause that is what I want00:13
pupnikwhere would you use it?00:13
DeformativeI hate mini keyboards.00:13
DeformativeI have really big fingers.00:14
ffoegboypupnik, in the car of on a train,00:14
pupnikthat would be big to carry around00:14
pupnikthe stowaway fits in my pocket and has full size keys00:14
DeformativeI have a bag that I carry my books in.00:14
DeformativeSo it wouldn't bother me.00:14
DeformativeI guess a folding one would be good.00:14
* Deformative shrugs00:14
pupnikthe folding one is protected.  an open one would need a case00:15
DeformativeGood point.00:15
pupnikcheck out the sierra folding keyboard - has 5 rows so you can type numbers and #@$%@$% normally00:15
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DeformativeAre all bt keyboards supported or just a portion?00:17
c0ffeeall that support hid should work00:17
Deformativehid ?00:18
_Monkeysomebody said hid was a standard for how interface deviced talk to computers00:18
pupnikit's fun to see when monkey actually auto-learns a useful answer00:20
bearclaw_maemo hacking is becoming too easy now that you can install ssh and a term from the web browser :)00:20
_Monkeymaemo is at or Open Source Software00:20
pupnikoh that's a terrible answer, we had a better one00:21
_Monkeymaemo is at or Open Source Software00:21
bearclaw__Monkey has only one memory slot per word it seems00:21
_Monkeybearclaw_: i'm not following you...00:21
_Monkeysomebody said maemo was the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets: maemo.org00:22
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pupnikso you don't 'hack maemo' on the device, because maemo isnt on the device00:22
bearclaw_you're right, nokia770 I meant00:23
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bedboidamn damn damn.00:26
bedboig_thread_create does not return null. so wtf is going on there?00:27
DeformativeTry the other rubntime?00:27
pupniki only see pthread code on my drive00:29
DeformativeI don't think wireless is working.00:29
pupnik if( pthread_create( thread, &type, runThread, ( void * ) fn ) != 0 ) { .....00:29
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bedboipupnik: GThread's should just use pthread (it is something needed for portability)00:33
bedboiand btw it is exactly the same, and moreover i don't see why GThread should not work on maemo!00:33
bedboiand it works perfectly on x8600:34
bedboicore_socket_thread = g_thread_create((GThreadFunc)core_socket_up,cs->priv->core_socket, FALSE, NULL);00:35
bedboiit returns !NULL, but core_socket_up is not called NEVER00:35
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bedboibut i can't believe it's a bug in maemo glib... I guess a lot of people is using threads on maemo00:37
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bearclaw_bedboi: try sleeping just after the thread_create call00:39
bearclaw_(to give a chance to the new thread to be scheduled before current thread does anything)00:40
bedboibearclaw_: lol00:40
bedboii hope it is not that00:40
bedboiit would be so bad00:41
bearclaw_i doubt it will fix your problem, but it may behave differently00:41
bedboibearclaw_: hmm00:41
bedboibtw i sleep in several place after... let's see what happens00:41
bedboishotgun debugging is too bad.00:42
bedboibecause you end up with bad code after (hopefully) fixing00:42
bearclaw_bluetooth isn't working on os2007 hacker ed for nokia770, is it a known bug? Is a fix planned?00:42
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bearclaw_bedboi: I agree, but it might help understanding what is wrong00:43
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bedboinothing happened00:44
bearclaw_you have a printf and something like that at the very beginning of core_socket_up I suppose?00:44
bedboithe VERY00:44
bedboii have f***ing printfs all over the place now00:45
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bedboiin the qemu environment is even worse :)00:47
Deformativebedboi: What are you making?00:47
bedboiDeformative: what are you meaning?00:47
bearclaw_can you do something on the returned gthread object? I dont know glib, but perhaps querying his status or something like that00:47
bedboia threaded application00:47
DeformativeWhat do you need threads for?00:47
bedboiDeformative: i need threads, full stop.00:47
DeformativeMore specific.00:47
bedboiit's a networking application00:48
bedboithreads are very usefull in many circumstances.00:48
DeformativeI am not an idiot.00:48
DeformativeI just wanted to know what you were making.00:48
bedboiDeformative: networking app, I need 3 threads00:48
DeformativeI am not interested in the threads.00:49
DeformativeI just wanted to know what it is you are making.00:49
DeformativeNetworking app is hardly specific.00:49
bedboiDeformative: it's some research application for the FIND (Future Internet Design) project00:50
DeformativeOh, neat.00:50
pupnika wider search shows no apps on 770 using g_thread_create .  everything is pthread_create so far00:50
bedboiwhy is that???00:50
bedboiis there something that we should know about glib and maemo?00:51
bedboimaemo is quite glib-centric00:51
pupniki don't know but it's interesting00:51
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pupnikinteresting you found this issue00:51
bedboiso i supposed glib is fully supported and perfectly working on that.00:51
pupniki've got a project that doesn't build yet that has g_thread_create, so thanks for bringing this up00:52
suihkulokkibedboi: post a testcase to the maemo-devel mailing list00:53
bedboiit's what i'm doing.00:53
bedboibtw i want to be sure that GThreads are not working at all, which i guess it's not simply reproducable.00:53
bedboii guess that they work at some extent but they are not fully supported or buggy00:54
bearclaw_can anyone try "hcitool dev" on a 770 with OS2007 hacker edition?00:54
suihkulokkiThey should work, they shouldn't be buggy00:55
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suihkulokkibedboi: you are testing on the device, or in scratchbox?00:55
_Monkeysomebody said device was perfect00:57
bedboi_Monkey: you should shut your bot-mouth :)00:57
_Monkeybedboi: what?00:57
suihkulokki_Monkey: change to shutup bot00:57
_Monkeysuihkulokki: that doesn't look right00:57
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pupniki turned that response off00:58
suihkulokkibedboi: gthreads are just a wrapper on top of pthreads, so things should work the same way00:59
bedboiyep that's why i'm not figuring out00:59
bedboimaybe something bad in GMainLoop00:59
suihkulokkibedboi: the only major difference is that on maemo, they are still using linuxthreads, not nptl like your pc probably does00:59
bedboiGMainLoop is very delicate stuff.00:59
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suihkulokkibut many people do use threads in maemo, so it might be some way of using threads that doesn't work01:00
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bedboiwhy's that01:01
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RushPLI have a problem with LCARS theme, some apps have black text on black bg labels. I suppose it cannot be fixed without app ingeration, or maybe can it?01:01
bedboibrb, gotta go to the bank or it will close01:01
RushPL(like the feed reader or maemopad+)01:01
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pupniki hate apps that are incompatible with dark themes01:02
pupnikand webpages too01:02
pupnik"dur-de-dur... I'll just make the text black, because *everybody* wants black text!  dur-de-dur..."01:02
RushPLwell, I cannot agree more. Is there anything better than Maemopad+ or a replacement for Feed reader(along with plugin)01:03
pupnikI just complain to the author01:03
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RushPLok, maybe they will comply :>01:04
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RushPLpupnik: do you know why they haven't made "rectangle restoring" after elements going into hide again? The part of the screen becomes black and needs to wait for a redraw.01:06
pupnikmaybe it saves memory though01:07
RushPLcome on, part of such small screen .. and for not that long.01:08
RushPL(I mean the buffering sollution)01:08
pupnikxomap derives from kdrive X server, iirc.  And that is designed for the smallest possible footprint.01:09
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RushPLwhatever, but the black rects look lame. :)01:09
pupniki don't notice anything01:10
RushPLwell, these are not black rects, it's the background.01:10
RushPLopen menu and close01:10
RushPLyou'll see the background01:10
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bearclaw_ah, after a reboot, my bluetooth device is back01:12
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pupnikright - well sleep calls - cheers01:14
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RushPLDeformative: now I have a good bunch of repos added, and I'm evaluating current apps.01:15
DeformativeToo much is closed source.01:16
DeformativeMuch more than I expected01:16
DeformativeI am getting scratchbox to work.01:17
DeformativeI made a ubuntu partition on my lappy.01:17
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RushPLstupid question, how do I input 0 with text writing?(not O, 0)01:21
RushPLI mean hand-writing01:22
DeformativeHand writing is bad.01:24
DeformativeIt wears out the touchscreen real fast.01:24
DeformativeI learned that from past experience on palm.01:24
proctoRushPL: write an O and then cross it diagonally. You can go to the "Train Handwriting" program to see how to write letters and numbers.01:25
bedboiDeformative: yep. it is useless in my opinion01:25
bedboithumb keyboard rocks most of the time01:25
bedboiand it works even if you have to type when walking which happens a lot01:25
bedboithe writing stuff is impossible in that scenario01:26
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bedboii never had any luck with that01:26
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proctoI use the writing when I'm in the console01:29
proctosince I'm programmed in a bunch of macros01:29
bedboihmm actually strace on x86 reveals a clone syscall which in n800 case doesn't get called01:29
proctofor exaple "|more"01:29
proctoI just do a certain squiggly01:29
proctoand get that01:29
proctoor "|greo -i"01:29
proctoand several others01:29
proctothat, and adding Ctrl-C and Enter to the xterm toolbar01:30
proctomade working in the shell on the n800 sooo much faster01:30
proctoat least when I don't feel like taking out my keyboard01:30
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bedboidamn, it's real pain debugging this issue.01:33
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DeformativeThen don't.01:34
bedboiDeformative: i'm forced to do that.01:34
bedboiIt's work man.01:35
DeformativeWhy do you need g threads?01:35
bedboithe cool stuff is that it used to work for some random time before.01:35
DeformativeThen use the syscalls directly?01:35
DeformativeI dunno.01:35
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DeformativeWhy is the sb-menu step not included in the maemo 2.2 tutorial?01:52
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bedboiThen I had to port it again to Scratchbox X86.  A whole set of new problems;02:05
bedboidifferent levels of libraries, pthreads just didn't work so I had to make my02:05
bedboiwebserver single-threaded, and several build scripts had to be rewritten02:05
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DeformativeDoes anyone know what the 770's processors excel most at?02:08
bedboiexiting without reason?02:08
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bedboii've sent a mail to the dev mailing list02:18
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bedboibearclaw_: what's up?02:21
bearclaw_I just started the Qt example 'puzzle' on the 77002:21
bedboidoes it work?02:21
bearclaw_yes, but no image :)02:21
bearclaw_I forgot to copy it02:21
bedboiah ok. so qt is working on that02:21
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bearclaw_it seems so02:22
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bearclaw_yup, at least jpg display, and drag and drop are working02:28
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bearclaw_is there a way to make the virtual keyboard appear?02:33
nelson_tap in any input box.02:33
DeformativeWhen configuring scratchbox do I use debian-etch lenny or sarge?02:33
bearclaw_Deformative: I used the automatic script which worked fine02:34
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bearclaw_nelson_: I'm using qt :)02:34
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DeformativeWhat script?02:34
bearclaw_and its not working02:34
DeformativeI need 2.202:34
bearclaw_there's likely one for 2.2 too02:35
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bearclaw_hmm, no there isn't one for 2.2 sorry02:36
bearclaw_well, qt works out of the long as you don't need to enter text02:37
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DeformativeThis is hard to setup.02:41
ffoegboyhas anybody tried the frogpad keyboard?
DeformativeRushPL, how did you get scratchbox working?02:47
DeformativeNothing in that tutorial is accurate.02:47
RushPLbasically it was 'emerge scratchbox'02:47
RushPLbut I didn't practically got it working, there were some issues02:47
RushPLI mean, after logging in02:48
RushPLI'll play with it later :)02:48
DeformativeHow did you get the maemo sdk working?02:48
RushPLdownloaded it, copied to the scratchbox root and ran some menuconfig app or smth like that02:49
RushPLmenulist I think02:49
RushPLyou then install it from there, selecting the sdk02:49
DeformativeThis is really really irritating me.02:49
DeformativeI want a script02:50
RushPLit wouldn't call it pure fun for me either :P02:50
RushPLoh crap, I accidentally downloaded something big to mmc1 instead of mmc2, everything hanged02:51
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* Deformative cannot get damn maemo sdk/scratchbox to work.02:57
* Deformative goes insane02:58
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bedboicool, it is not so good to /etc/init.d/dbus restart :)03:01
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DeformativeCan someone please tar up a working maemo/scratchbox sdk for me please?03:53
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DeformativeCan someone at least help me?03:56
Deformative205 people and no help.03:56
DeformativeLeast talkative irc channel ever.03:57
_Monkeyi heard tar was distributed with busybox, which is default last I checked03:57
bedboiare you crazy?03:57
bedboithan it would be even worse for you03:58
bedboito get the stuff working03:58
DeformativeI doubt it.03:58
bedboibecause in the installation some files go in /etc/init.d/ for instance03:59
bedboiand what else03:59
DeformativeThis tutorial is completely ugh.03:59
DeformativeNothing there wirjs,03:59
bedboibrb, going home03:59
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RushPLDeformative: so have you managed to log into scratchbox or not?04:03
RushPLinstalled SDK?04:04
DeformativeBut the version of scratchbox says that all the commands for installing the sdk is obsolete.04:04
RushPL(tutorial is not precisely exact, I think it's a bit outdated)04:04
RushPLah :)04:04
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RushPLthere is one replacement command, that menu thing04:04
DeformativeI know, but I cannot get it working.04:05
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DeformativeRushPL: Halp?04:10
RushPLerm, don't know how. So what are you exactly stucked on?04:12
RushPLinstalling sdk?04:12
RushPLso, upload your sdk to scratchbox's root04:12
RushPLdo /scratchbox/login (or wherever you have it)04:13
DeformativeThe tutorial says /scratchbox/login04:13
Deformativenow you got me saying it04:13
DeformativeThe tutorial says /scratchbox/packages04:13
RushPLwhatever, you select the file anyway04:14
DeformativeI know.04:14
DeformativeWhich one do I need?04:14
RushPLprobably both04:14
RushPLthe pc one is for testing locally, and arm is for cross-compiling04:15
Deformative"Our reposiotry" points to only ONE04:15
RushPLthe qemu won't be doing any cpu emulation04:15
DeformativeWhich pissed me off.04:15
RushPLI remember downloading both without a glitch :P04:15
DeformativeSo I need i386 and armel?04:15
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DeformativeIs there a tutorial for installing gcc on the nokia?04:20
DeformativeRushPL: I got the rootstrap04:22
RushPLDeformative: superb, now do the scratchbox login and run sb-menu afterwards04:23
RushPLthen "Create a new target" for each of the images04:24
RushPLand after that I think you should try to get that virtual X server, but I didn't manage to get that running. Good luck. :)04:24
bedboiDeformati: i remember that it was not that difficult setting up sbox04:25
DeformativeThe tutorial is COMPLETELY obsolete04:25
DeformativeNothing works04:25
RushPLDeformative: that's more FUUN this way! :>04:26
DeformativeNot at all.04:26
RushPLcan I force maemo's application to NOT delete my emails while I delete them locally?04:29
RushPLand it mixes all my emails from all accounts together :O04:29
RushPLDeformative: halp!04:29
DeformativeI dunno.04:30
DeformativeI set up gmail to work it it.04:30
DeformativeBut I didn't delete anything.04:30
DeformativeThere is no explanation for xephyr04:31
RushPLwtf, now it just asked me what to do. It just wanted to delete all from the server the last time.04:32
RushPLDeformative: xephyr is in xorg, should be shipped with arch.04:32
RushPLalso you may find it as 'kdrive' or smth like that04:32
DeformativeI installed ubuntu on an extra disk04:32
RushPLand the Tutorial suggests that Xephyr is actually in the scratchbox installation, it is not.04:33
RushPLso fuck the tutorial and install it separately.04:33
RushPLit just needs to set up a local X session at :204:33
DeformativePisses me off.04:34
Deformativen800 gets a script to install this shit.04:34
RushPLwe are poor n770 :(04:34
RushPLbut n770 has far cooler looks!04:35
RushPLthe fcuk, I can only locally delete only ONE message.04:36
DeformativeAll of the apps I have used on the 770 have been pretty shitty.04:40
DeformativeExcept like,  the network manager, I like that one.04:40
RushPLI quite like the simple design of many of the apps, quite suits the LCARS-PADD theme.04:43
RushPLDeformative: - From yesterday, my first run of xterm + ssh. :P04:43
RushPLbut unfortunately many apps screw the font colors :(04:44
bedboiwow, is it normal that sbox uses svn 1.1?04:45
bedboiit is damn old04:46
bedboiand buggy04:46
bedboiand it doesn't support pegs04:46
bedboiat least for me04:46
RushPLbut some operations take pretty damn long on Nokiam, and not everything has busy notifications.04:46
DeformativeRushPL, the design is good, the apps are shit.04:47
DeformativeThe browser keeps crashing.04:47
DeformativeThe pdf viewer is pretty good.04:47
DeformativeThe contact stuff is HORRID.04:47
RushPLDeformative: and I don't like the mess when the windows are disappering, they leave rectangles which are filled with background.04:47
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RushPLI think it should be possible to buffer what was underneath.04:48
DeformativeWhat windows are disappearing?04:48
RushPLclick on menu, and click again to hide it.04:48
RushPLyou should have some content underneath04:48
RushPLall disappearing windows leave that crap.04:49
RushPLDeformative: you're X11 specialist, do something about that. :P04:49
DeformativeDoesn't happen for me.04:49
RushPLhow about brutally hacking the source and do raw framebuffer reading/writing? :D I could do that04:49
DeformativeDoesn't happen for me.04:49
RushPLDeformative: impossible, it has to ;)04:49
DeformativeWhat os version?04:50
_Monkeywell, OS2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 77004:50
DeformativeI am using os2006 v204:50
DeformativeI was thinking about upgrading to v3, but I didn't see a reason to.04:50
RushPLI have v3, but that quirks happened on 2005 too.04:51
DeformativeIt really doesn't happen for me.04:51
DeformativeI want to do some fixing, but so much is closed source.04:52
DeformativeI want to do a top down rewrite in D.04:52
RushPLokay, maybe another quirk you will find actually notice.04:53
RushPLwhen those fancy themed menus pop-up, first the black rect is being drawn, then you can see the theme parts appearing.04:54
RushPLit's not being drawn in some backbuffer.04:54
DeformativeWait, what?04:54
_MonkeyWait, is nflick an uploader?04:54
RushPLit's not any fps intensive thing so it should be displayed once it is displayed.04:54
DeformativeNo, explain how to reproduce.04:55
DeformativeI think you have something messed up on your box.04:55
DeformativeBecause I have no idea what you are talking about.04:55
DeformativeMaybe it is just your theme?04:56
DeformativeSec, I need to install a movie player on this desktop05:02
RushPLno video player05:03
DeformativeUbuntu is on the laptop05:03
DeformativeThis is desktop05:03
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RushPLah, buu, youtube generation then. :>05:04
DeformativeThat is so minimal.05:06
DeformativeBut yeah, that should be an easy fix.05:06
DeformativeIf that part is open, that is.05:07
RushPLI do not consider this minimal, I have good eyes for such things. Too much shooters.05:07
DeformativeIn X, you simply need to parent all the subwindows before the menu is mapped to screen.05:07
DeformativeWith a white theme it is far less noticeable.05:08
RushPLand this is parented to the background?05:08
RushPLlike, root?05:08
DeformativeThe menu should be parented to root, yes, but the things you click on are parented to the menu.05:08
DeformativeI find it VERY odd that it acts this way, I had figured gtk would eliminate such a problem.05:09
DeformativeDeformative desperately wants to do so dev.05:15
DeformativeI would like to be independent of the computer.05:15
DeformativePure nokia.05:15
DeformativeJust because it seems that the computer support is all but useless.05:15
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DeformativeNo replies from nokia regarding gdc...05:17
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[31d1]is it possible to get better flash support without macromedia doing it?05:19
DeformativeAnd linux/FreeBSD has been wondering that for years.05:21
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[31d1]oh, yeah05:21
[31d1]youtube viewer pls05:21
DeformativeYou could get gnash, but it's shitatic.05:21
RushPLit could play youtube though05:22
RushPLthey were optimizing it for the sole purpose :D05:22
DeformativeI do not know if it could play youtube on the nokia though.05:23
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DeformativeRushPL, so, this is interesting, how will we get gdc on the nokia?  I guess we have to cross compile.05:23
DeformativeThat can be done without the gui.05:24
DeformativeSo we should be able to do it on our scratchbox installations?05:24
RushPLtheoretically :05:25
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DeformativeEmail this guy RushPL:
DeformativeIf he gives us a .deb it would save us a shit of work.05:27
DeformativeWeird the way he is not in X.05:27
DeformativeOh, maybe fulls screen term05:27
DeformativeNo wait05:27
DeformativeFull screen doesn't look like that.05:27
DeformativeMaybe different version of the term.05:28
DeformativeOh, it does look like that with menus turned off.05:29
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DeformativeWait, it doesn't work with armel05:36
DeformativeWe shall make it work.05:36
RushPLwow, mplayer on 770 is really running well05:41
RushPLI could watch fullscreen movies on this thing05:41
DeformativeWhat is CodeSourcery ?05:41
DeformativeRushPL: not enough storage.05:41
RushPLDeformative: of course enough, after reencoding.05:42
RushPLdunno about CodeSourcery05:43
RushPLI'm encoding Bourne :D05:44
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bedboiis there any document which describes the maemo way of setting up a deb repository?06:35
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[31d1]on this page there seems to be instructions for putting flash 9 on a 77007:08
[31d1]but running os2000707:08
[31d1]would that definitely not work on os2006 is what im wondering07:09
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onionI wonder what I did now.. all buttons, menus, etc lost their decoration08:42
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_Monkeyque tal, latzko11:40
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latzkoI have an "warning: implicit declaration of function `strptime'" undel sbox-ARMEL, despite of #include <time.h>. can you help plz why should it be?11:43
latzkochar *res = strptime(birthday, "%b %d, %Y", &tm_date); birthday is const gchar*11:44
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bearclaw_my man strptime on debian  #define _XOPEN_SOURCE /* glibc2 needs this */ #include <time.h>says12:04
bearclaw_oops pasted at the wrong place12:04
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latzkobearclaw_, time.h says # ifdef __USE_XOPEN but #define __USE_XOPEN 1 does not work12:18
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latzkoneither _XOPEN_SOURCE12:20
bearclaw_hmm I concurr12:21
bearclaw_there must be an other define required12:23
bearclaw_or something #undef the __use_xopen12:28
bearclaw_/usr/include/features.h has one12:28
latzkoyepp #define _GNU_SOURCE solved this12:33
latzkotnx anyway12:33
bearclaw_stupid man page... :)12:44
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lardmanI need to do endianness conversion, and am planning on using something like the following:
lardmanthe question is, will elements of structures work with this?12:59
lardmani.e. does &somestruct.someelement == &somestruct + offsetof(struct somestruct, someelement) ?13:00
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bearclaw_I think yes, that's the point of offsetof13:01
lardmanso they don't actually match, or rather the first one doesn't work?13:01
bearclaw_(type*)((char*)&somestruct + offset) more precisely13:02
lardmanhmm, I'll need to fix my endianness swapping code then13:03
bearclaw_lardman: you forgot the break after each case13:03
lardmanthanks, was just something I scribbled down quickly13:04
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lardmantoo much MATLAB too, forgetting C13:05
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gpdanyone know where I can get the correct package for libgtk-x11-2.0?13:06
gpdI did an upgrade of magic:sys and all is not well.13:07
gpdthat describes my symptoms - but I don't really want to reflash !13:07
gpdactually, not my symptoms, but same problem.  my only problem is that maemo-mapper won't run and complains:13:08
gpdmaemo-mapper: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: osso_g_scanner_cache_open13:08
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lardmangpd: simply you either need to update the build of maemo-mapper, or downgrade your version of libgtk13:16
lardmangpd: Neither of which will be especially easy I imagine13:16
gpdlardman: any idea where to get the downgraded version of libgtk?13:16
gpdi presume that one comes on the flash image and so isn't in a repository?13:17
lardmanwell it shoud be in a repo13:17
lardmanthough I don;t know where13:17
gpd2.6.10-2.osso30 libgtk2.0-0 <- is that the one you have?13:18
_Monkeyn800 is much better than a desk phone :-)13:18
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gpdyes, n80013:18
lardmanThe file is called
gpdI have that in /usr/lib with size 2404212 Jan 25 200713:20
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lardmanmine's march 21 14:08 2348888 bytes13:21
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gpdwell i can't find the newer version right now :(13:24
gpdguess I'll have to reflash -- aargh13:25
lardmanbearclaw_: Interesting, that code does work (with the addition of the breaks - thanks)13:27
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gpdSoftware Edition 2007 version 4.2007.26-8 <<-- is that hacker only atm?13:32
gpdor am I just way behind?13:32
lardmanhacker edition only afaik13:33
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bearclaw_the 770 port is hacker only, the 800 version is not13:36
bearclaw_(if I got that right)13:36
gpdyeah - that 4.2 is the one with skype etc. - i was forgetting13:36
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gpdhas anyone written up a reminder list of things to do after a reflash?13:40
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bearclaw_what is the clean way to update autoconf in scratchbox?14:01
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onionreboot loop.. again15:32
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pupnikbtw changing the user password caused no problems here16:24
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_Monkeyrepositories is, like,  and a searchable index at
red-zackpupnik: anyway to change the username of "user" to another one?16:35
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pupnikdon't change username16:41
_|Nix|_Hmmm ... does anyone know of a place where I can get a libgnutls later than the one from maemo-hackers? I'm trying to build pidgin-2.2.0, and I think 1.0.16 will no longer do :o(16:43
_|Nix|_i.e., a repo other than m-h.o16:43
pupnikNew freesci Sierra Adventure Game interpreter release -
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
_|Nix| DNE, AFAIK.16:47
pupniki just used it16:47
_|Nix|_Oh, there it is ... weird ... firefox hickup ...16:48
pupnikMolagi [i=samurai@a88-112-4-196.elisa-laajakaista.fi16:54
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pupnik - for Kings Quest, Space Quest, Leisure Suit Larry etc... on your Nokia 770 / 800 internet tablet17:01
pupnikjust added that for the search engines17:01
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bearclaw_anyone know where I can buy a cable to connect the bluetooth antenna? I think I must look for a mmcx male to mmcx female cable17:18
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bearclaw_nobody seems to be manufacturing such a cable17:26
Molagihow can i get superuser privilige?17:28
bearclaw_install sshd, log in as root17:28
bearclaw_I think it's the easiest way17:28
Molagiwhere can i get the sshd?17:28
bearclaw_its in the packages17:29
bearclaw_repositories I mean17:29
Molagiok ill check that out17:29
bearclaw_just add bora main and bora free in the app manager17:30
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Molagiis it named sshd17:33
bearclaw_or openssh17:33
_Monkeyi think openssh is to big for embbeded devince (just sbz's opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ...17:33
bearclaw_or dropbear...17:34
_Monkeydropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client.
Molagihmm unable to install openssh17:35
Molagii think i got dropbear already17:35
tsoto bad there is no "simple" way to start or stop the ssh server :(17:37
Molagihmm how do i get root17:46
Molagii got the dropbear installed17:47
_Monkeyi think becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] or for a more long winded method
bearclaw_tso: you can put menu entries pointing to scripts starting and stopping th ssed17:47
tsomaybe so bearclaw_, but it would be nice if it was included ;)17:47
pupniksomebody fix monkey's response there17:48
pupnikor ssh root@localhost17:48
bearclaw_even the custom cable ordering at doesn't have MMCX female17:49
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Molaginow that i installed becomeroot, am i now the root?17:52
Molagirequested operation requires superuser privilige17:53
bearclaw_just start becomeroot in a term if i remember well17:53
Molagiwhats the command17:53
_Monkeyi think becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] or for a more long winded method
Molagibecomeroot not found17:54
Molagiim such a noob with these things17:56
Molagii only want to try that freeSCI thingy17:57
pupniksido gainroot17:57
pupnikthe becomeroot help needs to be fixed in monkey17:58
pupniksudo gainroot in xterm17:58
pupnikand password is rootme17:58
pupnikeither that or if you have ssh installed, you should be able to ssh root@localhost and login as root17:58
bearclaw_game over, all small antennas are rubber duck type, bigger antennas with MMCX connector are too big, and its impossible do get a MMCX male-female cable17:58
Molagioh thx17:58
pupnikMolagi: eventually i'll get freesci polished enough to go into the repositories, i just have to work harder at it.17:59
erstaziI didn't know mono was so popular with nokia tablet users that even mono's website lists an .install for 770 and n800!17:59
Molagipupnik ok17:59
pupnikMolagi - scummvm is polished and working well -  Monkey Island etc (lucasarts games)18:00
erstaziMolagi: of course, when you get connected through xterm or ssh, change your passwords!18:00
erstaziMolagi: passwd root18:00
erstaziMolagi: then passwd user18:00
erstazieveryone knows that the root's default password is rootme18:00
erstaziok brb18:00
DeformativeBest way to become root is to ssh to root@localhost18:04
pupnikawesome - big family reunion and the restaurant has set up wlan for me18:05
pupnikso everybody will get to play with 770+internet :)18:05
[31d1]sudo -s18:07
pupnikdropbear scp sux :(18:14
pupnikkeeps stalling out on me.  am i the only one?  cp, stall, cp, stall ...18:14
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lizhaohello, I have a question about maemo-icon in debian/control18:16
lizhaoanybody can help on this? thanks in advance18:17
_Monkeyhmmm... maemowizard is a silly script I made to create packages for SDL applications easier18:17
* Deformative needs a script to install maemo sdk18:18
Molagipupnik where can i get games for scummvm18:19
pupnik lizhao <- that has an example icon for you18:20
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pupnikMolagi: dunno - stw18:20
pupnik'abandonware' sites, or maybe lucasarts has released some for download18:21
Molagihmm okay18:22
Molagii thought the games were somehow "converted" for scummvm18:23
pupnikno - originals - same with freesci18:23
Molagiok great18:23
lizhaohi, pupnik, I have icons, the problem is how to embed them into debian/control18:24
lizhaoI use: uuencode -m xxx.26x26.png /dev/stdout18:24
lizhaoand copy the result into debian/control18:24
roxfanthere were some sierra classic collections released recently18:24
lizhaohowever, seems the icon won't show in application installer18:24
roxfan SQ 1-518:25
roxfan ??18:26
erstazipupnik: I only use openssh, even though its a tad larger install size, its more effective18:26
pupnikdoes openssh give you pauses when using scp for large files?18:27
pupnikwhat is transfer rate to mmc?18:27
pupnikdropbear varies between 0 and 300kB/s18:27
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DeformativeDoes anyone know what CodeSourcery is exactly?18:30
lizhaohi, pupnik, I just copyed the xb-maemo-icon-26 section from your into my debian/control18:30
lizhaohowever, failed again18:30
suihkulokkiDeformative: a company that works on gcc18:35
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m-volizhao: paste your whole debian/control18:37
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lizhaoSource: sdcv18:38
lizhaoPriority: optional18:38
lizhaoSection: user/utils18:38
lizhaoMaintainer: Li, Zhao <>18:38
lizhaoBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), gettext, zlib1g-dev, pkg-config, libglib2.0-dev, libreadline5-dev | libreadline-dev18:38
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lizhaom-vo, sorry18:39
lizhaotoo long to mess up screen18:39
Deformativesuihkulokki: Why does codesource have it's own runtime?18:41
DeformativeOther than glibc18:41
DeformativeDoesn't that cause some suckage?18:41
DeformativeWhat uses which runtime on the nokia?18:41
DeformativeOh wait.18:42
suihkulokkiyour smoking crack18:42
DeformativeI was thinking of something completely different.18:42
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DeformativeI apologize.18:42
lizhaohi, m-vo, I sent email to you18:43
m-vook, let's see...18:43
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RushPL_Deformative: what's up?18:49
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DeformativeRushPL: Trying to setup an environment for me to compile in.18:50
DeformativeSo I can get gdc18:50
DeformativeWith gdc/gcc, the nokia should be able to self sustain itself.18:51
DeformativeIndependant of the desktop that is18:51
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RushPLyep, I'd like to have the compile environment too, but I need bluetooth keyboard. The damn virtual keyboard is killing me.18:54
RushPLAlso fuse-gui doesn't want to install because of some python conflict, I wanted to have fuse-ssh.18:55
DeformativeCould always write on desktop, compile on nokia18:55
DeformativeUntil we get keyboards18:55
[31d1]just ssh into the nokia18:57
DeformativeThat's a good point.19:00
DeformativeAre nokia supposed to loose connection when idle for a long time?19:00
sp3000what kind of lose19:01
sp3000as in by what indicators19:01
DeformativeThe icon does not have the antenna anymore.19:02
RushPLI saw some setting for that in the control panel.19:03
DeformativeMaybe data call idle time?19:05
DeformativeIt is currently at 5 minutes19:05
sp3000more like the corresponding wlan timeout19:07
* sp3000 wouldn't expect data call to be indicated by an antenna19:07
* sp3000 isn't familiar with os2006 graphics though19:08
DeformativeIn cpu transparency, why is qemu not listed/19:09
DeformativeThe tutorial says it should be there.19:09
RushPLdamn damn, even the chat has black font on black background.19:10
RushPLare these apps open source?19:10
RushPLI would very like to fix them19:10
DeformativeRushPL: I think most are not.19:10
DeformativeI would like to fix them as well.19:10
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RushPLDeformative: no kidding, serious?19:11
DeformativeThe browser, pdf reader, chat, etc I think are not.19:11
DeformativeYou can get the sources from the nokia site, I already did.19:11
DeformativeAnd the naming is all screwed up.19:11
DeformativeSo I cannot tell what does what.19:11
DeformativeThat is why I suggested you and myself did a top down rewrite in D and fully open source.19:12
inzpdf reader is oss19:12
DeformativeWhat about the file browser?19:13
DeformativeThe pdf viewer is the best working app on it.19:13
inzclosed, i think19:13
DeformativeIt's great because I have so many pdf books.19:14
DeformativeThe browser renderer is good.19:14
DeformativeThe browser itself, is not19:14
inzwhich renderer19:14
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DeformativeIt is opera, no?19:14
RushPLthere's always that minimo, but the level of integration is poor.19:14
DeformativeWhatever it is, it works well.19:14
RushPLand it's slower I think.19:14
RushPL(it has Gecko 2.0)19:15
* Deformative shrugs.19:15
DeformativeRendering engines are super boring to make.19:15
inzyou can install microb (gecko) on newest n800 sw19:16
DeformativeWe are both on 77019:16
inzbut ope19:16
DeformativeRushPL: once I get gdc/gcc working, I am going to start rewriting things with or without you. :P19:16
DeformativeBut gdc is rumored not to work on armel19:17
bedboiDeformative: are you serious about D, i mean is it consolidated an robust?19:17
Deformativebedboi: I program almost exclusively in D because I like it so much better than the rest.19:17
RushPLDeformative: I'm not decided for any bigger commitment yet, most of the things work just fine but I'm getting more and more pissed so it may change. :)19:18
bedboiare there bindings for glib, gtk, Hildon, blabla19:18
Deformativebedboi: C bindings are simple in D.19:18
DeformativeThere is a generator that works perfectly.19:18
DeformativeThen I could go ahead and make a wrapper or whatever.19:19
bedboiwhat about the cleanness of the assembly?19:19
bedboiportability, blabla19:20
DeformativeD's abi is not frozen yet.19:20
DeformativeBut it is very good.19:20
DeformativeWalter has extensive experience from his C/C++ compilers19:20
DeformativeIt is all the work of one man, so it is very well designed, unlike huge team projects.19:20
m-volizhao, the base64 encoding in your debian/control is corrupted.19:20
m-voThere is a dubios '+' at the end of line 8, for example19:21
DeformativeHmm, I don't understand how to get cpu transparency detected in scratchbox19:22
bedboiDeformative: what you are saying about huge team projects is not always true.19:22
lizhaohi, m-vo, are you talking about:19:22
lizhaothere are duplicated19:22
bedboiit is just a common side effect19:22
lizhaobut it is copyed from other package19:23
lizhaoI also tried to copy from maemo example19:23
Deformativebedboi: it is often true19:23
DeformativeGCC is a good example.19:23
lizhaoplz ignore "there are duplicated "19:23
DeformativeThe d frontend does work on gcc19:24
RushPLDeformative: so you want to do everything froms scratch?19:24
DeformativeSo whatever19:24
DeformativeRushPL: No19:24
DeformativeTop down19:24
DeformativeNot bottom up19:24
DeformativeThat way it continues to be usable as we go.19:24
lizhaoBTW: m-vo, how to check whether the section is corrupted?19:24
m-voWhat do you mean?  Which section?19:25
bedboiDeformative: can you be low level in D?19:25
m-voAhh, the "Maemo-Icon-26" field?19:25
Deformativebedboi: of course19:25
bedboii mean, C is good because you can write whatever you want.19:25
DeformativeYou can do anything you want in D.19:25
bedboion whatever platform19:25
DeformativeThere exists a purely D runtime even.19:25
DeformativeThere have been a few D kernels19:26
DeformativeSome hardware drivers19:26
m-voI tried to decode it using "base64-decode" and it gave me some warnings and produced a corrupted PNG file.19:26
bedboiDeformative: you have also C++ kernels.19:26
Deformativebedboi: your point?19:26
bedboiDeformative: the fact is how they work. how the code performs19:27
DeformativeYour words are not making sense to me.19:28
RushPLdon't ask me :P19:28
bedboiDeformative: all new languages tends to declare as "the best ever"19:29
Deformativebedboi: Well then try it.19:30
bedboior something like that, they tend also to say they are the fastest in the world (even java did it!!!!)19:30
DeformativeJava's VM is reasonably fast.19:30
DeformativeI wouldn't use it.19:30
DeformativeBut it's not that slow.19:30
m-volizhao, if you just want some icon for testing, you can use the one from
bedboiit is hell slow, trying to do something low level19:31
RushPLbedboi: but all those languages tend to completely disregard C.19:31
DeformativeBut in my experience, D is very fast.19:31
DeformativeSpeed is very difficult to measure.19:32
bedboiyep itis.19:32
m-voI hear D doesn't have closures.  True?19:32
Deformativebedboi: D is compiled to native code.19:32
lizhaooh, m-vo, I am trying the codes in the page you gave19:32
lizhaohope it works19:32
Deformativebedboi: Which often implies faster code, but many disagree with that statement.19:32
bedboiDeformative: btw, you can benchmark some simple applications and see if at least they are comparable (not orders of magnitude difference)19:32
Molagiwhat program do i need to unpack .tgz?19:33
m-voNote that in debian/control you need to use "XB-Maemo-Icon-26", not "Maemo-Icon-26" as given in the AM docs.19:33
Deformativebedboi: Pre-1.0 D was the #1 on that list.19:33
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DeformativeBut D's speed decreased very slightly after 1.019:34
DeformativeStill damn fast.19:34
m-vospeed is not the problem for most of the code, correctness and maintainability are.19:34
Deformativem-vo: agreed19:34
bedboim-vo: it does depend on what you are writing.19:34
Deformativem-vo: but it doesn't hurt19:35
DeformativeSpeed is always a good plus.19:35
bedboiif you are writing high level applications it is quite true (quite)19:35
lizhaohi, m-vo, it does not work19:35
RushPLI did some pure computational speed algorithmic job in D and compared it to C. The GC proved to be quite a burden, but you can easily disable it. Without GC it managed almost as well as C.19:35
lizhaoactually, I tried several samples in maemo webpages19:35
lizhaoany further idea about what I should check?19:35
Deformativem-vo: Do you mean delegates?19:36
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m-voDeformative, languages in the C family sacrifice expressiveness in the name of speed.  From what I hear, D doesn't, which is nice.19:36
Deformativem-vo: D does whatever the hell walter feels like.19:36
DeformativeHe is our bright(haha) dictator whom we all love. :P19:37
m-voDeformative, no, nested functions where the life-time of the inner function can exceed that of the outer function and the inner function can still refer to variables of the outer function.19:37
DeformativeWe have nested functions,  and we have nested function pointers.19:38
Deformativenested function pointer = delegate19:38
m-vo"nested function pointers"?  How can you nest values?19:38
DeformativeNo, we have pointers to nested functions.19:38
m-voAhh, of course.19:39
DeformativeAnd pointers to object methods19:39
DeformativeI don't know about closures though, I have never looked into something like that.19:39
DeformativeWell, maybe I have19:39
DeformativeBut I don't quite understand what you mean19:39
DeformativeMaybe RushPL does19:39
Molagihow can i unpack a .tgz file?19:40
ch4os_tar xvpzf19:40
m-voDeformative, can you read Scheme?19:40
m-voI could give a very simple example.19:40
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DeformativeI can read very basic scheme19:41
Molagiso if i want to unpack like test.tgz i write tar xvpzf test.tgz?19:41
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ch4os_Molagi: yes19:41
DeformativeAnd I can read basic erlang, I am on chaper 5 of erlang if I remember correctly19:41
Molagiok thanks19:41
ch4os_tgz -> tar.gz19:42
m-voOk!  I don't know Erlang, so let's try Scheme.19:42
Deformativem-vo: I know of a person making a functional library for functional programming in D.19:42
Deformativem-vo: I know who could surely answer your questions.19:43
DeformativeIf you wish to join #D there is downs and cracki19:43
Deformativecracki is a lisp fanatic19:43
DeformativeAnd downs does functional programming in D19:43
m-voDeformative, this is my source:
m-voOk, here is the example:19:43
m-vo(define (make-adder n) (lambda (x) (+ x n)))19:43
m-vo(define add-3 (make-adder 3))19:43
m-vo(add-3 5)19:44
m-vo=> 819:44
m-voadd-3 can still safely refer to the 'n' parameter of make-adder although make-adder has long finished.19:44
Deformative[12:44] <downs> D has dynamic closures by default19:44
Deformative[12:44] <downs> that is, closures that are valid while their context is valid19:44
Deformative[12:44] <downs> so you can't return them19:44
Deformative or you can use bind or stack manip to turn them into full closures.19:45
m-vo'dynamic closures' seems just to be an euphemism for 'no closures, only nested functions'19:45
* Deformative shrugs19:46
DeformativeBetter than C++19:46
DeformativeI don't know how closures would perform in native rather than interpereted code.19:47
m-vowell, whatever, just like the link I posted, I don't see any reason for not offering 'real' closures by default.  It's not that they are some little understood, obscure language feature with only fringe use cases.19:48
RushPLAyyy, my nokia has crashed about 3 times this day.19:48
Molagihmm no such file or directory19:48
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m-voIf you don't have closures in the language, you have to fake them manually, which is going to be slower (and painful).19:48
m-voLook at all the "data" parameters of your typical C callback.19:49
Deformative12:48] <downs> not true19:49
Deformative[12:48] <miller[]> they still access the scope19:49
Deformative[12:48] <downs> the nested functions can access their surrounding function.19:49
Deformative[12:48] <downs> that's what I meant by "half a19:49
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DeformativeRushPL: mine has never crashed yet19:49
DeformativeRushPL: the browser is the only thing to crash thus far.19:49
m-voyeah, that's what "nested" means: being able to access the surrounding scope.  If you can't do that, you are not nested. :-)19:50
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m-voAnyway, I rest my case.  I think I like D anyway.19:51
bedboithe thing that leaves me skeptic about "new" languages is the lack of profiling, debugging, blablabla applications19:51
Deformativebedboi: D is just a frontend.19:52
DeformativeThe D backends are VERY mature.19:52
bedboivala is something i `could` like, it generates a C code19:52
bedboiDeformative: what you mean by frontend?19:52
DeformativeThere is a D to C compiler19:53
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DeformativeUh, it is compiler engineering, google compiler frontend/backend to learn more, but basically, you know how gcc can compile multiple languages on the same compiler backend?19:53
Deformative[12:52] <cracki> tell him that D still uses a stack and environment frames aren't gc'd at all19:54
Deformative[12:52] <cracki> that'll tell him enough to know about delegate literals19:54
Deformative[12:52] <cracki> (maybe)19:54
Deformativebedboi: Basically, we have an awesome frontend that Walter bright has made,  it is designed for his own backend that he created for his C/C++ compilers, but it also works on GCC and is being proted to LLVM as well.19:54
bedboiah cool19:55
bedboiyou are telling me you can generate intermediate C?19:55
Deformativebedboi: GregorR made a C generator, yes.19:56
bedboii'm going to take what's the quality of the C code19:57
bedboii mean if it is understandable19:57
DeformativeThe C compiler is unrelated.19:58
DeformativeThose are the two compilers that are less recognized.19:59
DeformativeThe two MAIN compilers are DMD and gdc19:59
m-voDeformative, thanks.  You can have a normal stack with closures, of course.  When a variable needs to be in the closure for a nested function, you can either copy its value (when the 'variable' is constant, which is quite often the case when one adopts a more functional programming style which happens quite naturally once you have closures), or you need to store the variable in the heap.19:59
m-voThe need to move away from a regular stack ans to start GCing activation frames comes when you have first class continuations.20:00
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bedboiman that's a huge C code for a so simple function20:00
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Deformativebedboi: well, I do not know, GregorR made it,20:01
DeformativeIt is not official20:01
Deformativebedboi: I imagine that with greater code segments the difference ratio is much smaller.20:01
lizhaomust leave now, thanks, m-vo20:02
bedboiVala generates very clean C20:02
m-volizhao, did it work?20:02
bedboibut it is still very buggy20:02
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Deformative   I wonder if that guy from nokia managed to get gdc on armel20:03
lardmanhmm, lots of assembler remarks and warnings, and a compiled vorbisdec.o dsptask :)20:03
DaniloCesarWhere is python-sqlite module on scrachbox???20:06
TPCi dont think many people in history can claim to having used irc in the bath20:14
TPCim doing it right now ;)20:14
TPCwith waterproof protective casing that fits the N80020:14
bedboiin the bath?20:15
bedboiyou mean under the shower?20:15
bedboii always use my laptop when in bath20:15
`0660you don't take risks do you? :)20:15
RushPLand I'm swimming in the sea, just 50m beneath the surface, cool, huh?20:15
RushPLI have an AP on a bouy so that wifi reaches underwater.20:16
TPCno, i mean the bath20:17
bedboiTPC: i guess it is quite common.20:18
bedboiat least for me.20:18
bedboii always bring my laptop with myself20:18
RushPLbedboi: you coding in bath too?20:18
bedboiof course20:18
TPCwhen in the shower im too busy cleaning myself for irc20:18
RushPLbedboi: that's right, bugs do not like water, it's an obvious place to code. :P20:19
TPCwhat are you using to protect it from the water / humid air?20:19
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tsohmm, i cant stop thinking about a keyboard made for folding that also can be attached to the N800 so that it would act as a screen cover when folded up20:33
DeformativeDoes anyone know how to get qemu working with scratchbox?20:42
DeformativeThe tutorial doesn't explain.20:42
DeformativeAll it says for cpu transparency is none.20:42
suihkulokkiDeformative: you did not install the scratchbox-cputransparency-devkit package20:45
m-voDeformative, without knowing for sure, when you use sb-menu, I think you need to select the "cputransp" devkit and then it will ask you for the version of qemu to use.20:45
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DeformativeWhat cpu do I use?20:56
Deformativearm-cvs arm-0.82 arm-7,0 ?20:56
zuharm-0.8.2-sb2 has been the most useful one for me20:57
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bearclaw_is it possible to have iwconfig on the 770?21:18
tsoi think i have seen a package but do not recall what repo21:22
_Monkeyi guess repository is  and a searchable index at
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bearclaw_found it21:35
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bearclaw_is ad-hoc mode supported?21:36
tsodont know if the 770 can initate it, but yes, it can do link-local connections. i have done so myself, by accident :P21:39
bearclaw_and the other device was visible with iwlist scan?21:40
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tsoerr, it showed up in the connection manager list :)21:43
bearclaw_should be the same :)21:43
bearclaw_im trying to connect a gumstix with my 770 in wifi ad-hoc21:44
tsothe diff that i see was that link-local connections where shown by a black "antenna"21:44
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alteregoWoo, I just finished writing a nice little script that toggles bluetooth on/off, handle when added to the cpu/memory graph applet.21:57
alteregoIt even toggles the label on for the menu item :)21:57
alteregoTook me about an hour to write though, bit rusty at the old shell scripting ..21:58
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tsointeresting. if i do not enter a password in the claw-mail settings, it works fine. but if i enter one, i get a timeout when checking mail. think ill stick to the default one...22:01
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RushPLDeformative: sshfs works nicely22:20
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DaniloCesarI'm having problems with my .install file. Users can only see the file. I think that it's a apache issue.22:39
DaniloCesarThey are not downloading the file, but seeing... I think that some .htaccess changes will fix this, but I don't know what changes I need to do22:40
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DeformativeHow do I start dropbear ssh server?22:43
[31d1]by uninstalling dropbear and installing openssh?22:49
DeformativeI just used dropbear because it is in the repo./22:51
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RushPLDeformative: openssh is too in the repo. Just some other one.22:52
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
RushPLI wonder why there isn't a single repo.22:53
sp3000there is but it's somehow not been the path of least resistance22:54
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DeformativeSearching ssh only comes up with dropbear23:02
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TPCopenssh is in the repo, at least it was for me23:03
DeformativeWhich one?23:03
TPCmaybe I added some weird one without realizing it, but I don't think so23:03
TPCI think it only shows up in red pill mode23:04
DeformativeHow do I go into red pill mode?23:04
TPCinstructions are on the wiki23:04
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DeformativeThat's so weird.23:07
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DeformativeOpenssh doesn't support ssh root@localhost like dropbear does?23:11
[31d1]it should23:12
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DeformativeI had to get rid of the old .ssh from dropbear23:12
[31d1]i turned off root login in ssh_config after i set up etc/sudoers23:13
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Pioany maemo-mappers know of decent programs to create poi databases?23:29
Piothat vb Poi_loader app isn't working out for me..23:29
DeformativeI need to figure out how to program the DSP23:30
Pioi found some guy's perl script which im playing with now, but its not working either..23:30
DeformativeLooks like fun.23:30
DeformativeI am getting much more than I expected out of this cool little device.23:31
roxfanaren't there specs?23:32
DeformativeBe back in a few hours.23:34
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