IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-09-14

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Nermalpupnik: just says "the password for the user cannot be changed"00:05
Nermaldoesn't sound like they want me to change it00:05
DeformativeAllo allo00:06
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pupnikNermal: ok ... root is definitely changable.  I'll ahve to check into the user pass again so i don't say the wrong thing00:11
DeformativeSomeone seed the vmware image please/00:12
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lardmanIs it possible to obtain a struct member's address like so?: &mystruct->somemember00:14
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DeformativeSomeone seed the vmware image please?00:17
pupnikWell when you're working with a pointer to a struct, you have to use the -> operator to access any members of the referenced struct.00:21
DeformativeIn C.00:21
lardmanI want the address of the member I'm accessing00:22
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lardmanI know one can use &struct + offsetof()00:22
lardmanbut was just wondering if the other way is possible00:22
DeformativeSOMEONE PLEASE SEED!00:22
lardmanDeformative: Perhaps no-one has it...00:23
DeformativeI am going to say it anyway.00:23
DeformativeBecause I want to develop.00:23
DeformativeWhee, someone showed up.00:24
Nermalwould amsn compiled for maemo support the webcam00:24
NermalI see a /dev/video0 device :)00:24
lardmanthere's some example code in the wiki to use the webcam00:24
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olejorgenbHi, anyone knows of a tablet pc specific channel?00:59
olejorgenbpreferably a linux centric one01:01
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DeformativeDoes maemo have a screenshot utility?01:02
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gomiamHow to NOT make a Powerpoint:
gomiamDeformative: there is a package that includes it01:04
gomiamlet me check for a second...01:04
gomiamyes, there's "load-applet"01:05
gomiaman applet that includes the screenshot option01:05
gomiamlet me see what the repository for it is.01:05
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gomiamok, so you can go to mistral free or bora/user01:07
gomiamDeformative: do you have any of this repositories in your sources.list? Do you know how to add them?01:07
DeformativeI just got this thing yesterday.01:08
gomiamoh, ok01:08
DeformativeI haven't done anything except test the pdf viewer and play chess.01:08
DeformativeOh, and I connected to my wifi and viewed my site too01:08
gomiamyou need to add one of those repositories to be able to download it01:09
gomiamto do that you need to go in Red Pill Mode first01:09
DeformativeWhat are the good apps to have, and what is the nokia 770 missing?  I am a software dev.01:09
gomiamare you using 770 or 800?01:09
Deformative"What are the good apps to have, and what is the nokia 770 missing?  I am a software dev."01:10
gomiamcompared to the N800, N770 has MMC cards instead of SD (and just one instead of two), it has no integrated webcam01:10
DeformativeI am speaking software wise.01:11
gomiamlet me think...01:11
gomiamnot much: there are a few propietary code apps available on N800 that either aren't on N770 or have a newer version01:12
DeformativeI plan to make a new terminal emulator as well as an IDE.01:12
gomiamoh, and official images of Nokia IT OS stop at 2006 on the N77001:12
gomiamnew terminal... what for? (besides "because I can/want/feel like it")01:12
gomiamthere's already two (or perhaps three) xterm implementations available01:13
olejorgenbDeformative: I'm not sure about N770, but if it has touchscreen, I'd suggest xournal (should be in the repos I think)01:13
Deformativegomiam: xterm is horrible.01:14
gomiamolejorgenb: xournal is more note taking oriented01:14
DeformativeOn the other hand, I don't know if the maemo xterm is derived from the origional xterm.01:14
gomiamDeformative: if you say so. It's working great for me.01:14
DeformativeIf it is, then it sucks.01:14
olejorgenbgomiam: yeah, he asked what apps was good :)01:14
DeformativeMemory usage for the original xterm is outrageous.01:15
* gomiam fires up and xterm in his N80001:15
gomiamtwo processes, one weighing 328 and the other 892001:16
gomiamyeah, it might be a bit heavy01:16
DeformativeI also plan to fix the default chatting app so that it includes AIM01:16
gomiamDeformative: you may want to try and install Gaim or Pidgin instead01:17
gomiamyou get a lot more protocols for the same price01:17
gomiamand once you twiddle a bit the font sizes it's quite handy01:17
DeformativeBut more apps.01:17
DeformativeI want to keep it minimal.01:18
gomiamok, ok. Just trying to save your time ;-)01:18
DeformativeI am prolly going to end up hacking the hell out of this thing.01:19
gomiamand, actually, you can select which protocols you want available (so if you don't want Gadu-Gadu you just don't install the related package)01:19
gomiamwhile we are talking about it, I can't find an IDE package through apt-search01:20
gomiamit may be hidden, in a repository I don't have, or inexistent.01:21
DeformativeProlly inexistent.01:22
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DeformativeMost people develop on their scratchbox01:22
gomiamat least there is gazpacho :-)01:22
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gomiambut that's "just" a GUI builder01:22
gomiamI knew there was something, even if it is no complete IDE.01:23
DeformativeMy ide will include a compiler, standard maemo libs, editor, build utility, etc etc01:23
gomiamwell, gcc 4 is there, so are a lot of libs (in devel version), autoconf, automake, vi, nano...01:24
gomiamunless you want a windowed IDE, you have almost everything there at hand already.01:25
DeformativeI am not talking about C.01:25
gomiammmm... I don't know if D is suported yet :-)01:25
DeformativeI can make it work.01:25
DeformativeBut the nokia guys are already working on it.01:25
DeformativeThey are like the only major corporation with interest in D.01:26
Nermalseems the lock code is part of the evil DSME stuff :|01:27
NermalI wonder how much nokia would charge to get it reset01:27
gomiamwhat lock code, what DSME?01:27
Nermalfor my n80001:27
Nermalunless I can fake keyboard events to the change code ui01:27
Nermaland loop it01:27
TPCor just not use the lock function01:29
gomiamoh, I see, the dsme process01:31
pupnikWhere was the seller, Nermal?01:32
gomiamheh, day in, day out, I get random ssh connection attempts.01:32
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Nermalhe said he was going to contact the guy he got it off01:32
NermalI have a slut of an n800 it seems :|01:32
pupnikSounds stolen.01:33
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Nermalwell I can see he bought it off another guy on ebay end of july01:33
Nermalso maybe he just didn't use it much01:33
Nermalhe's a lecturer at dundee university01:33
robtaylorNermal: reflash?01:33
Nermalpupnik: nice guy - said he'd get back to me01:34
Nermalrobtaylor: doesn't reset the code :|01:34
Nermalit's stored somewhere else :|01:34
robtaylorNermal: ah, nor flash01:34
robtaylorNermal: try a cold-flash?01:35
robtayloroh, you can't do that without seria.. hmm01:35
Nermalhmm - which means soldering from what I've read01:35
NermalI think I'll wait for the guy to get back to me :)01:36
robtaylorNermal: well, or devising a very clever attachment01:36
robtayloraye =)01:36
Nermalpupnik: I hope it's not stolen - that would suck01:36
Nermalthere aren't that many of them around so hopefully it should be ok01:36
Nermalcame with charger, sync lead and everything so should be ok01:37
robtaylorNermal: maybe he sold it cos he couldn't remember the pin...01:37
Nermalnah - he never used it01:38
Nermalso assumed it was 1234501:38
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* Nermal thinks of some lego and solenoids to try key combinations and a webcam to recognise the next step in the "change dialogue" screen01:38
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pupnikHmm, lbattraw had a great idea - a "phone home" applet that would ping a server or send an email when online periodically01:41
pupnikN800 gets stolen, wait a week, get the IP. Warrant, search and hopefully an arrest.01:42
pupnikNermal: so the device is locked when you boot it up?01:43
Nermalhmm.. I think mine is fine :P01:43
pupnikSounds like it01:44
NermalI just can't use the lock function01:44
pupnikI misunderstood how that works.  Then it's pretty understandable that previous owners wouldn't have run into that issue01:44
Nermalbut as someone who walks a different route to work depending on where the pan and tilt CCTV cameras are pointing, I doubt I'll be leaving it around with any confidential info on it01:44
pupnikHeh :)01:45
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pupnik"Why are most greeting cards designed to kill a diabetic at 20 paces?" LOL01:46
pupnikI so have to get the new debugged freeSCI version finished so ppl can play Kings Quest and the seirra games :/01:47
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Nermalpupnik: ah - you found my online presence ;)01:55
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pupnikyeah nice portapc mk3 case02:02
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pupnikgreets unique31102:06
unique311do you have your client set to greet everyone pupnik?02:08
pupniki just always say hi to you :)02:08
pupnikwell when i'm around02:08
unique311thats cool of you.02:08
unique311got wxpython installed02:09
unique311now working on tunapie...02:09
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pupnikpeople making entertaining things for the nokias is a very small club, unique31102:09
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unique311yeah, but seen the other day, some dude asked for something to be ported, and got a reply that stated, stop begging and compile it your danm self.02:11
unique311which sucks.02:11
unique311thank god i know a little about linux, to get apps i want to use going on my N800.02:12
unique311but i did manage to compile the application for the guy, but it sucks, so i went on sourceforge and looked for alternatives.02:13
unique311found tunapie, and been working on it.02:13
grafsterDoes anyone know what the default "user" password is on a N800 with the latest OS?02:14
unique311no password for user02:14
grafsteris it not possible to ssh into it as "user"? I just tried no password and that didn't work02:16
pupnikso tunapie is like streamtuner, but with video too?02:17
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DeformativeHmm, the 770 needs erlang02:26
DeformativeAnd some lisp02:26
unique311pupnik: yes02:26
unique311it works in scratchbox02:26
unique311segfault is from trying to get listings02:27
TPCDeformative, who cares about erlang02:27
TPCnow haskell would be nice02:27
DeformativeErlang is pretty great.02:28
DeformativeI hated haskell when I tried it.02:28
DeformativeI am trying to get the nokia guys to hand over the D compiler so that I don't have to do it myself.02:28
DeformativeNot that it would be difficult or anything.02:28
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DeformativeSo, is there any way to setup more protocols for the default instant messanger without flashing the device?02:33
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DefGaim is damn disgusting.02:57
DefThe default messanger needs AIM support02:57
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DefAnd IRC support02:57
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DefIs the default messanger OSS?03:00
disqno but i think it has some api for plugins and all03:07
DefI expected it to be oss03:07
disqyou'll get used to it03:07
DefWhat else is closed03:08
DefI thought the whole os excluding opera was OSS03:08
disqalmost all nokia developed apps are not oss, i think03:09
disqmost of the key libs are. some of the key libs aren't03:09
disqtry pidgin btw. it's a glorified gaim but still03:10
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DefI have used and hated pidgin on the desktop03:10
DefI want to modify that default chat03:10
disqcould use jabber transports and use the aim protocol03:11
disqor irc even.03:11
unique311anyone can give me the name of the opera browser in /usr/bin/?03:11
disqosso-browser i think03:11
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unique311thats not it.03:12
unique311i see browser03:12
unique311and browser-launch03:12
unique311but not sure if thats it.03:12
DefHow do I find out what is open and what is not?03:12
unique311could be file manager03:12
Defunique311: did you try viming the .desktop files03:13
disqsources? they're distributed somewhere but don't honestly remember the url03:13
unique311def, no03:14
disqanyway that fills my bihourly quota of answering questions. ask better ones next time :P03:15
Defdisq: those are all .bin files03:18
DefIt says there was some bug fix for v 303:20
DefHmm, maybe I should update then.03:20
unique311well tunapie2 works on the n80003:23
unique311watching E.T03:24
DefThere are no sources at the url disq provided03:24
pupniknice unique31103:24
unique311too much to get it to work, kinda disappointed.03:24
unique311can watch video streams from shoutcast03:25
TPC[02:10:37] <                Def> I have used and hated pidgin on the desktop03:26
TPCuse bitlbee03:26
unique311going to request it on the, add it to the wishlist.03:26
TPCfrom within irssi, that you run within screen03:26
TPCon a server that you access from ssh with your device03:26
DefTPC, I use kopete on desktop03:26
DefWhere can I get the open source components of the nokia OS?03:27
DefThey say it is gpl, but there are no sources, very illegal.03:27
TPCDef, if you think saying something is GPL and then not providing sources is illegal you are wrong03:27
DefI am right03:27
TPCthe GPL only says that they have to provide sources to the people they distribute the binaries to03:27
disqclick on "IT OS Sources"03:27
TPCnot to everyone03:27
disqcan't be simpler than that03:28
DefI have binaries.03:28
DefNo sources03:28
TPCso they could provide it on a CD03:28
disqthough asks for mac id etc03:28
TPCit also says that they don't have to do a download link or anything03:28
TPCin fact, they only have to provide it on a written request, if thats what they want to03:28
disqalso try google or reading the irc logs. url at topic.03:28
DefIt doesn't say what bug was fixed in v3 of os 200603:29
rwhitbyI remember my n800 having a written offer for source in the back of the user manual.  Fully legit.03:29
TPChowever, I would guess that you can get it somewhere on maemo.org03:29
TPCbut don't make random statements about the GPL when you don't know how it works03:29
DefTPC, I thought they were not providing the sources.03:30
DefBecause I missed the link when I clicked.03:30
DefHit the one above.03:30
DefAnd i was like ""03:30
TPCtechnically they don't have to provide sources unless you make a written request03:30
rwhitbynext time you might like to check your facts before calling something illegal activity.03:30
TPCso don't go say that they make something illegal, before yo even ask them03:30
Defnext time you shouldn't go spastic about a simple mistake on IRC.03:31
DefTPC, I understand how gpl works, I just clicked the wrong link, calm down.03:31
TPCso anyone who corrects you when you're wrong "goes spastics"?03:32
TPCanyway, its late, I'm gonna sleep03:32
rwhitbywell, the tone you use on IRC ("very illegal") usually causes a similar tone in response when you're making incorrect statements.03:32
DefCount the amount of times it has been said.03:32
rwhitbyand then when someone called you on it, you said "I am right"03:33
TPCyes, I rephrased, since I felt I wasn't clear enough the first time03:33
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rwhitbyand then instead of admitting a mistake, you get your back up and call people spastic.03:34
DefAnd you still continue03:34
_Monkeyenough is enough03:34
pupniksuddenly cut and paste works to/from vncclient!  Hahaha insanity.03:37
* pupnik awards two points to rwhitby 03:38
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DefIt doesn't say what bug was fixed in v3 of os 2006, does anyone know what bug it was?  I am wondering if it is worth the flash.03:45
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pupnikLinux Nokia770-49
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pupnikdid i miss something?  newer os2006?03:52
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Deformati49 is right03:53
DeformatiI have an older version and I am trying to figure out what bug was fixed.03:53
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hennoDeformati: I take it you finally got your 77004:14
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pupnikno reason not to upgrade, Deformati - that I have seen04:21
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Deformatihenno, yesterday04:22
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DeformatiWell, I have work to do.04:26
DeformatiBe back tomorrow04:26
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pupnikCu Deformati04:33
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sullyHas anyone gotten the "Illegal instruction" error running the latest Maemo Mapper?06:21
cesmannew mapper?!06:25
sullyhah, not really - I just upgraded to 1.4.7-306:28
sullyWon't run as user06:28
sullyI get a "Illegal instruction" statement06:29
sullyBut as root, runs fine06:29
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DaniloCesarSomeone can confirm this information: "There is not a python-sqlite in SDK repository"?06:38
DaniloCesarIts very strange.. I can find a python-sqlite package at N800, but I cannot find it on scrachbox..... Some can help me?06:52
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_Monkeyrepositories is probably  and a searchable index at
pupnikafkDaniloCesar: ^^07:21
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DaniloCesarpupnikafk, I have pymaemo's repositories on scratchbox07:23
DaniloCesarbut there isn't any python-sqlite or something there07:23
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pupnikafkcheck /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox and n800 for differences - perhaps one is bora, the other gregale?07:34
DaniloCesarhummm. So I need to put gregale on SB too? OK!07:35
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pupnikafkThere should be bora packages for everything, but in some cases there might not be, and for those perhaps the gregale (it2006) versions also work on it200707:49
DaniloCesarpupnikafk, Ok.... I will try this.. Thanks pupnik!07:52
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bedboihi there08:41
bedboii'm porting an application i wrote08:41
bedboithe bad stuff is that when i run it before a sleep it exits (without segfault)08:42
bedboiis there something i should know about sleeping in maemo?08:42
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pupnikdoes it requrie console/terminal input bedboi ?09:12
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RushPLwhere can I find libfreetype, in what package?09:16
RushPLprobably libfreetype, but I cannot find it :)09:16
bedboipupnik: yes09:18
bedboii'm just starting like ./something usb009:18
bedboiit just exit09:19
bedboipupnik: what's this ?09:19
RushPLinz: could you point me to some repo? google can't09:19
RushPLinz: I'm still running the standard 2006 os, but I don't want to upgrade yet.09:20
pupnikbedboi: i think your app is waiting for keyboard input, and it can't get it, so it stops?09:20
bedboinono, it just sleeps09:20
bedboiit spawns a thread then sleeps for some time09:21
bedboibtw the application exits immediately09:21
bedboinot segfaulting09:21
pupnikok - not sure what's goin on09:21
bedboiProgram exited normally.09:22
bedboithat's what gdb says09:22
bedboiit must be some dsme trick09:22
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pupnikRushPL see the repository search engine09:22
_Monkeyrepositories is  and a searchable index at
bedboimaybe dsme is checking for large sleeps09:24
inzsounds unlikely09:25
inzhave you tried debug printfs ;)09:25
bedboia lots of09:27
inzHow secret is your app?-)09:28
RushPLpupnik: thanks, so I found two repositories possibly containing freetype, but freetype doesn't show up in the installable packages list.09:33
bedboiinz: what you mean?09:34
inzbedboi, can you show the source ;)09:34
inzRush, libfreetype(6) should always be installed, it is used for rendering the fonts on the device09:34
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bedboiof course but the application is quite huge.09:36
bedboiis there any guideline about how to daemonize an application for n80009:37
RushPLinz: I know, but while installing 'wesnoth', it says that it is missing.09:37
inzbedboi, the normal "if (fork()) { exit(0); }" should work09:39
inzbedboi, setsid();, closing stdin,-out and -err (and replacing with /dev/null) are also common practices09:40
bedboibtw i should  use while(1) sleep(1);09:42
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RushPLlibfreetype6(>=2.2.1) missing :/09:43
bedboiinz: this is the code (not demonized)09:45
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bedboiinz: basically i set up in new_pi_low, and spawn threads in pi_low_init09:45
bedboiobviously it works without any problems on any other machine09:45
inzRush, are you trying to install N800 package on 770?09:46
bedboion n80009:46
RushPLinz: It wasn't marked or so ... yes, I'm n770.09:46
bedboiit's non sense. because it exits09:46
bedboia segfault should would be better :)09:47
inzbedboi, that does indeed sound weird (unless you call exit() from pi_low_init09:47
RushPLprobably I should better flash with 2007 edition,right?09:47
bedboipi_low_init can't call exit09:47
bedboiit just spawns threads09:47
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bedboiand i'm sure it doesn't exit09:48
i-nZHello. I have a windows mobile smartphone and I am unable to bluetooth pair maemo and the phone because it is detected as a PDA09:49
bedboibecause i can see the debug message09:49
i-nZwhat can I do about that?09:49
inzRush, if you want to use wesnoth, then it seems so09:49
bedboiinz: "Letting the daemon sleeping09:49
bedboiwhich is after pi_low_init09:49
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inzWhat does the thread do, does it sleep aswell?09:50
bedboiit can do whatever it wants09:51
bedboiit is a thread09:51
bedboione should be able to program whatever he wants09:51
inzFer sure it should09:51
bedboiit's very weird09:51
bedboithe fact is that it exits without any segfault or something09:52
bedboiand i have no exit in the application09:52
bedboior g_error09:52
inzAnd new_pi_low or pi_low_init calls g_threads_init()?09:53
bedboiyep of course09:53
bedboii'm telling you it works perfectly on x8609:53
bedboinow i added a while(1) { printf(".\n") ; sleep(1) } ;09:55
bedboiand i just see one .\n09:55
bedboithen it gracefully exits09:55
bedboistupid guy09:55
bedboilet's say what strace tells09:56
RushPLdoes it do so with every sleep function?09:56
bedboii don't know09:57
bedboilet's try09:57
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bedboiit doesn't leep10:01
bedboino wai10:01
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bedboiit just sleep the first time10:01
bedboiit's nonsense man10:01
bedboiit's pure nonsense10:01
bedboican i sleep just one in my lifetime???10:02
bedboiit must be some dirty trick dsme is playing10:02
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inzI wonder if it's some bug in LinuxThreads10:02
bedboiit's something really weird10:03
inzHow does the strace end?10:04
bedboiwait i have to install it10:04
inzI would guess the reason comes from inside the thread10:06
bedboii would not10:07
pupnikdoesn't sleep take a float?10:08
bedboiman 3 sleep10:08
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bedboino .*sleep function takes float10:09
bedboineither usleep10:09
bedboinanosleep etc10:09
bedboiit would be a waste10:09
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bedboiwhere i can get strace ?10:11
_Monkeystrace is my friend for these stuff :-D10:11
bedboi_Monkey: yep, atm i can't access the internet through the device10:11
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_Monkeybedboi: sorry...10:11
pupnikthe last command inside the while loop before } does not need a ; semicolon?10:12
inzpupnik, in C it does, but that's compile-time issue, not run-time10:12
pupniki forget these things10:12
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inzpupnik, at least in perl you can omit it10:13
bedboii guess it is inside of libpcap10:14
bedboior libnet10:14
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bedboiare raw sockets supported?10:14
inzNo idea10:15
bedboiconnect(2, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error10:18
bedboi{...}, 41)                   = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)10:18
bedboiclose(13)                               = 010:18
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bedboiwhat's that beast?10:19
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inzThat's weird, connect shouldn't set errno to ENOENT10:20
bedboii don't have ptraces on my x8610:20
hennobeast indeed10:20
bedboii'm sure it's some nokia shit.10:20
hennofor $head in $ass; do shove; done10:20
bedboisome "intelligence"10:20
bedboiyou should see the difference between x86 and n800 straces10:21
bedboithere is a lot of shit in the n800 stuff10:21
_Monkeystrace is my friend for these stuff :-D10:21
bedboi_Monkey: in fact i'm stracing10:22
_Monkeybedboi: sorry...10:22
bedboithere's no "ptrace" in the x86 strace output10:23
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inzbedboi, probebly ptrace doesn't cause errors there10:29
bedboiand what is this: connect(11, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 16) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)10:31
bedboii don't have this on my x8610:31
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inzbedboi, I would guess that /dev/log exists on your PC, but not on the device10:33
RushPL - I <3 this10:33
* pupnik solders SVHS connectors onto cat5 cable10:33
pupnikPADD theme?10:34
bedboiinz: i'll show you the difference (last 3 lines of strace)10:35
bedboithis is on n800:10:35
bedboirt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 010:36
bedboirt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [RTMIN], NULL, 8) = 010:36
bedboinanosleep({2, 0}, 0xbe813740)           = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be restarted)10:36
bedboinotice nanosleep10:36
bedboiit should be 2 nanoseconds10:36
bedboirt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 010:37
bedboirt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 010:37
bedboinanosleep({1000000000, 0},10:37
RushPLbedboi: nanosleep has relatively poor precision10:37
bedboii don't care about precision10:37
bedboiwhat's ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK?10:37
bedboilet's ask google10:38
bedboiok it says that sleep has been interrupted by a signal10:38
Protocol-RushPL: where can I get this LCAR/PADD theme?10:39
RushPLProtocol-: hm, I think, or -> Downloads10:40
pupnikProtocol-: search for reports of problems with it on forums first10:40
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Protocol-got it I think,
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bedboiinz: could that /dev/log be the problem?10:43
jani@ maemo dev mailing list DSME commit mailing list =))10:44
inzbedboi, doubtful, but possible10:45
bedboii see also some SIGPROF10:47
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bedboiinz: i guess tcpdump is known to work10:53
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bedboii mean libpcap10:57
bedboiis it known to work?10:57
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red-zackhey guys, soo my question, where to find a howto for renaming the user "user" on my 77011:07
red-zack"user" looks ugly ;)11:08
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inzbedboi, I've no idea if it works or not, but I would guess yes11:15
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AD-N770good morning11:35
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Big_Bgoof morning (~ugt)12:20
Big_B-ljpeg .is it right  to add libjpeg in makefile12:22
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inzBig_B, libjpeg doesn't seem to have pkg-config file, so yes, -ljpeg should be correct12:29
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Nermalanyone know where pupniks sdl apps are ?13:27
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lardmankulve: I did some tests re. struct packing, I'll post them to the dev list, not all that exciting, but my naive/hopeful thought of passing structs through shared memory is somewhat dashed13:31
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* rwhitby only just found the 770 and n800 schematics at ...14:27
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Nermalaye - got those a while ago14:32
Nermalkeep up ;)14:32
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rwhitbyNermal: yeah, I'm way behind.  To busy hacking on my two openmoko phones ;-)14:38
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craigozhi all, I'm new & trying to install 4.0 alpha here. After running sb-menu, starting xephyr, exporting my display, I get command not found for start What did I do wrong? :)14:46
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[31d1]wait - what - is there a new OS2006 release?16:09
erstazi[31d1]: no16:12
erstazi[31d1]: the newest one is -4916:13
inzBut there was a new "hacker edition" for 770 a while ago16:13
erstaziinz: thats OS200716:13
infoboterstazi meant: inz: thats OS2007HE16:13
inzerstazi, I'm aware of that, but that's what's closest to "new OS2006 release"16:14
erstaziinz: well, its not supported16:14
erstaziinz: so I don't consider it a new OS2006 release16:14
[31d1]ok, whew16:14
inzNeither do I, thus the "but"16:14
erstaziyou definitely use a totally different repo16:14
erstaziand even OS2007HE is still buggy16:15
RushPLhow buggy? (I'm gonna install it very soon)16:15
erstaziRushPL: well, overall, its not buggy as a whole16:16
erstazibut its experimental... so I will leave it at that16:16
erstaziRushPL: you can always dual-boot both16:16
erstaziunless you just want to mess and experiment16:16
RushPLoh, cool. Will read about dual booting. Hm, but what type of bugs? Interface glitches? Application bugs? Slowness?16:17
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erstaziapplication bugs16:17
erstaziwhich as I said, OS2007HE as a whole is not buggy16:18
[31d1]is there easy ways to get the audio/video codecs that are missing onto 2007?16:18
erstazi[31d1]: which ones?16:18
RushPLerstazi: oh, that's not that big of a problem then. I'm gonna hack into 770 anyway.16:18
erstazithere is dual-boot but I would read on how to dual boot16:19
[31d1]i just saw where it said we cant provide a bunch of codecs due to licensing16:20
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Protocol-I tried OS2007HE it's very nice, many gui improvements and not too buggy, it's worth the try16:36
TPCabout how long does the N800 take to load the battery?16:44
TPCdoes it take longer the first time, and if so, how much longer?16:44
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lardmanAny c programmers awake on here?16:55
lardmanI have a compile error I need some help with as I can't think what's causing it16:57
lardmanin compile output16:57
lardmanI'll copy the rest of the code in there too16:57
lardmanThe errors in OGGV_ogg.h go away if I comment the lines (which are function prototypes)16:58
lardmanthe lvalue ones don't go away, even if I fiddle with the types16:58
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lardmanI should note that the code probably won't run - as I said in my email to the list17:01
lardmaneven more so as I need to do some more complex bitswapping for the endianness differences17:01
lardmanbut it would be nice to get the bloody thing to compile17:01
lardman;) even17:01
roxfan[work]yeah, weird stuff17:05
lardmanAny other takers on the errors? Even any vague ideas would be useful as I can't do much until I can compile the code in the headers17:11
roxfan[work]try checking preprocessor output17:12
lardmanyes, good point17:13
TPCno one know show long a N800 takes to charge?17:13
lardmanTPC: ~an hour17:13
lardmansomething like that, certainly not as long as overnight17:14
TPCthats quite a big gap :P17:14
TPCI just got mine, and I'm trying to figure out how long I should charge it before trying to use it17:14
TPCit doesn't say in the manual :(17:14
lardmanTrue, let me think for a minute then - I put mine on charge at 10pm and it was charged by 12am17:15
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lardmanas long as it has some charge you should be able to use it, the batteries are usually preconditioned or so I thought17:15
lardmanbut note that it won't charge much/at all if you sit on wifi all the time17:15
pupnikaha!  that explains what I see - ty lardman17:16
TPCI've gone for ~45 minutes so far, I guess I'll wait another hour, thanks for the info17:17
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pupnikWHOAH!  Ati goes open source?!  Is this for real?  900 pages of specs?17:19
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mgedminthat's a subset of specs for two chipset families (r500 and r600) that doesn't document the 2d/3d accelerators and some other things (like Xvmc)17:20
mgedminit will take some time to convert those docs into working drivers (1-2 years?)17:20
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TPCwell, they are working with the xorg developers17:27
TPCto help them get the drivers coded17:27
TPCgiving example code for some things too17:28
pupnikwell lur-de-dur looks like my old eyes missed that story17:29
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pupnikYou think AMD can find some profitablility in the low-mid power range portable market?17:39
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pupnikCause looks to me like ARM is moving the wall up from the low end.17:39
pupnikMaybe i'm falling for snake-oil here17:40
red-zackpupnik: meine message vor ein paar tagen erhallten? bezueglich des dark theme?17:40
pupnikja habe den link erhalten17:41
pupnikaber .. mom - glaub verloren17:41
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pupnikoh danke17:42
red-zackdas theme rult17:42
TPCplease speak english, the rest of us want to understand too :P17:42
pupnikwell... theme, dark17:42
red-zackTPC: i told pupnik about a dark theme i found17:42
pupnikand i must thank you red-zack17:42
pupniknow we need to make a sidux theme for Nokia :P17:43
[31d1] white ftw17:43
[31d1]where is a screenshot of nuvoblack?17:43
red-zackpupnik: ehehe, i think its possible with these thememaker17:43
pupnikyes - i've worked on a theme and it's a fair amt of work :/17:44
pupnikmany little pieces17:44
red-zack  this one17:44
pupnikso thememaker should help17:44
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red-zackpupnik: sidux icons etc, i can made, thats not the problem17:44
red-zacki have some of them, only a little remake17:45
pupnikthe headthing is that it is dark :)17:46
red-zackohh dear, yes, it have to ;)17:46
red-zacki have a nice wallpaper for. mom17:46
lardmanwhat does "mom" mean?17:46
[31d1]i wish the task manager area could get shrunk17:46
red-zacklardman: one moment17:47
lardmanah, in American mom=mutti, you probably want mo17:47
red-zack[31d1]: the cpu applet works fine, includet a "taskmanager"17:47
pupnikmoment - just a moment17:47
pupnikarbgh i missed the reply17:48
* pupnik waterboards himself17:48
lardmanAuf English sagt man mo statt mom17:48
[31d1]i mean the whole wide area on the left side takes up too much (precious) space imo17:48
pupnikif using the stylus maybe, if using finger no17:48
pupnikplus you've got > 640 pix horiz resolution for the apps anyway17:49
* [31d1] always wants more17:49
suihkulokkichange to fullscreen17:49
_Monkeysuihkulokki: that doesn't look right17:49
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[31d1]but yeah you're sort of right reganding finger17:49
suihkulokkibloody bots17:49
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suihkulokkichange to fullscreen17:50
_Monkeysuihkulokki: that doesn't look right17:50
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red-zackpupnik: this one :
pupniki wonder how those were made17:53
red-zacki think with inscape17:54
red-zacka friend does17:54
pupnikanyway - nice weather - must take a walk17:54
pupnikah yes i saw them - not bad17:54
red-zackin our area clouds are comming17:55
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AD-N770lardman: did you fixed the compile issue ?17:57
lardmanAD-N770: No, I'm at work so can't try compiling till I head home17:58
red-zackhm, we need a lightwight compiz version for our n770^^17:58
lardmancan't try looking at the pre-processor output anyway17:58
AD-N770lardman: which is the error message from the compiler ?17:59
lardmanAD-N770: they are in the compiler-output.txt file in the url I gave18:00
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lardmanAD-N770: Found it?18:01
AD-N770yes, reading it now18:01
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lardmanAD-N770: Any thoughts?18:13
AD-N770is curious,  I cannnot locate the proper error lines18:14
lardmanhmm, I don't think I changed the code since then18:15
lardmanhang on, let me take a look see18:15
lardmanah, I added the copyright18:17
lardmanadd 6 to the line number for OGGV_ogg.h18:17
lardmanfirst error is on line 155: extern ogg_int32_t  oggpack_look(oggpack_buffer *b,ogg_int16_t bits);18:17
lardmanadd 5 to the OGGV_misc.h line numbers18:19
lardmanfirst error is on line 205: ogg_int16_t sign=0, bit=0; (I've just changed that back to it's original form)18:20
lardmanWas a bit tired last night when I put the tarball together, thought I'd re-run the compile but obviously not18:20
lardmanNot doing very well here, the declaration of sign & bit were split when I compiled, so I've split them again - the next error was on l208+5 = sign=1;18:23
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AD-N770lardman: at div64_int, possibly lack of the space at if (!b)return ret;18:23
AD-N770lardman: similiar one at mul64_int, if (b&1)ret=add64_64(ret,a);18:24
lardmanI fear you're looking at the wrong lines then18:25
AD-N770I was looking for statement not reached errors18:25
lardmanAh, well that's not a biggie as it's only a warning18:26
AD-N770easier to fix and somtimes the cause of other errors :)18:27
lardmanyeah, fair enough18:27
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lardmanwhat do you mean by lack of space?18:28
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lardmanstrange it's almost as if the compiler doesn't think that sign is a variable18:29
lardmanpre-processor output as roxfan suggested18:30
AD-N770probably will be the best way18:30
lardmanI'll take a look later on this evening18:31
AD-N770I don't know if the TI compiler suport struct initializations as ogg_int64_t ret={0,0}18:31
lardmanI don't know either, but all of the other source in the dir has compiled okay and these all use the same headers18:31
lardmanso there's presumably something about the combination of my .c and the headers18:32
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AD-N770lardman: I was refering there's no space between ) and ret18:37
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lardmanAD-N770: I'm heading home now, I'll look at the pre-processor output and see what that shows18:38
lardmanAD-N770: I'll let you know how I get on18:38
lardmanbye chaps18:39
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tsohmm, maybe i should reflash to fix my app manager issue (dpgk-status do not appear to be available, i cant find the file in any bin dir)18:42
tsoquestion then is, 2006 or 2007HE?18:42
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setytehow do i disable strict check of rsa in ssh18:59
TPCif I enetered the wrong WPA key on the N800, how can I tell it to forget the one I entered and let me enter a new one?19:01
AD-N770TPC, remove the connection on the control panel19:02
[31d1]connection manager19:02
TPCI'm there, and I don't se eany way to remove it19:03
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TPCah wait19:05
TPCfound it19:05
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tsoheh, flashing the 770 kinda reminds me of watching the kids in the anime denno coil restore their AR glasses after a "fight"19:08
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setytehow do i save and exit vi on n80019:10
[31d1]or :x19:11
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tsonow to get the repos back in place19:14
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tsohmm, trying to add the ad-hoc repo using installer makes app manager crash19:23
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ijon_what is the proper way for hildonization of sdl app? tutotial talks about maemo-games-startup whereas real n800 have osso-games-startup instead... and this one seem pretty tied to the 4 default maemo games (blocks, mahjong etc.)19:36
ijon_anyone have touched this area?19:37
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pyhimysAnyone know how sould erminig processing take?19:40
pyhimyshow long that is19:42
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pyhimysMine has taken ~15 minutes so far19:43
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mgedminwhat's erminig?19:49
celesteherming, _monkey?19:49
_Monkeyit has been said that erming is a tool to sync GPE with google calendar and can be found someplace at
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bedboiis libpcap known to work on n800?20:10
Pioworks on the 770... i'd assume so on the 80020:10
Pioat least, i know i had tcpdump working on my 77020:11
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bearclaw_did anyone manage to build a recent Qt for maemo?20:12
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unique311_ question for the masses20:13
unique311_I want to dual boot on the N800.20:14
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unique311_now after doing so, will i be able to flash the the N800 and still be able to use my old system thats on the mmc?20:14
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erstaziunique311_: what else are you going to dual boot to?20:20
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unique311_just regular system.20:23
unique311_but having crashes with it, but don't want to get rid of it..20:23
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tsogrumble, flashing should clean out the apt-get stuff yes? then why is app manager telling me to run apt-get update to clean up some repo stuff?20:27
pupnikyeah it stays the same unique311_20:27
||cwjust used the new downloads stuff with the .install files, python didn't work, but everything else so far is just plain sweet20:27
||cwhas to drop to apt to actually install python20:28
pupnikdunno tso20:28
||cwtso: flashing should wipe everything to factory default20:28
pupnikyeah .install files are a good and happy thing20:28
tsosomething about not being able to stat source package lists...20:28
pupniksounds like a connection error20:29
tsonot surprised...20:29
tsothe servers seems to have a issue being accessed by a 770 or something :S20:29
lmoura||cw, did you tried just or tried instructions from pymaemo site?20:29
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||cwhm, ermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed20:31
erstazitso: do you have becomeroot and ssh installed?20:31
pupniki've heard that from someone else tso, but it works fine here20:31
lmoura||cw, python needs two .install files20:31
tsojust installed becomeroot and dropbear yes erstazi20:31
erstazitso: do you have OS2006 or OS2007HE?20:32
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lmoura||cw, check
erstazitso: do you want my sources.list?20:32
tsoi dont think that would be needed, but thanks20:32
erstazitso: it has *majority* of the known repos20:32
erstazitso: so that would give many apps to choose from20:32
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tsowtf, i just get "no route to host" when i try to ssh in to the 770 :(20:35
lardmanroxfan[work]: Indeed the preprocessor told me the answer20:35
pupniknice list erstazi - ty20:35
lardmanroxfan[work]: and now that I come to think about it, I can remember creating the global variable in question, that's what comes of programming in the wee hours I think20:36
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saaibA replacement Nokia 770 device, has been shipped for your original Nokia 770 device under Nokia's replacement program.20:38
bedboihey guys i want to set up a stupid deb repository for my purposes (app that i have to test on n800), i never remember how to do that20:39
bedboii remember an application which generates Packages.gz20:39
tsohrmf, reinstalled dropbear and now it just sits there with no prompt or anything when doing ssh20:39
saaibanyone here that have already been sent a replacement unit? Have you had any problems if the SOD comes back into the replacement?20:40
tsoheh, seems like dropbear have some issues...20:40
erstazipupnik: its a collection of different repos from maemo veterans before me! heh20:40
erstazithey deserve the thanks20:40
saaibIs anyone aware of any politic  about a replacement unit being bad and being replaced? or replacement units having specific warranty policies?20:40
RushPLwhat are the advantages of nokia n800's browser engine which cannot be shipped with 2007HE image?20:45
pupnikIt's not 2 years old?20:47
pupnikOr 3?20:47
_Monkeyi think 3 is initfs i think20:47
tsointeresting, if i ctrl-c out of a ssh login i have to reconnect the 770 to the network...20:48
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tsothe default pass was rootme yes?20:49
pupnikRushPL: you know microb?20:49
bedboiguys have you ever had problems with threading on N800?20:49
RushPLpupnik: saw it in repos20:49
tsoi dont get it, it just sits there after the password prompt20:49
RushPLI'm gonna flash my nokia in a second, so just wondering.20:50
pupniktso that is three strange occurrences that i have never heard before20:50
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tsowell i dont know whats going on. unless my "poor" wifi setup is messing with the ssh connection somehow20:51
tsobingo, ctrl-c and when i try again i get "no route to host"20:51
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bedboii'm experiencing weired problems with g_thread_create20:52
bedboi(i guess)20:52
bedboithe function is called and it doesn't complain20:52
bedboibtw it seems that the function i pass to it is never called20:53
bedboiand the bad stuff is that it just exits20:53
bedboieven if i don't have any exits20:53
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RushPLand unofficially can I get flash on n770 without getting banned for asking in here?20:56
RushPL(with microb)20:56
||cwtso: can you ping it?21:01
RushPL(wow, that is some forbidden question)21:01
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tsowhen i try i get host unreachable...21:01
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pupnikRushPL: i don't know - check the itt forums21:02
RushPLright, I totally forget about them. Sorry.21:02
pupnikflash is pretty cpu hungry though so i generally avoid it on 77021:03
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||cwRushPL: flash as in flash9?21:04
||cwRushPL: or lite21:04
RushPLdunno, I read only that it's shipped with n800.21:04
||cwuntil adobe recompiles it for arm, no21:04
||cwn800 is armel21:05
||cwno i got the names wrong21:05
||cweitherway, flash that's on the n800is not binary compatable with the 77021:05
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tsois the 770 even supposed to answer to ping requests?21:05
||cwtso: yes21:06
tsothen something is horribly wrong ;(21:06
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tsoi keep getting host unreachable...21:09
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mgedmintso: my 770 tended to become unreachable after the idle timeout/screen blanking21:09
mgedminI had to tap it to wake it up and then usually could continue working with my existing ssh sessions21:10
tsowell i just rebooted it so...21:10
tsoand the screen is shining in my face21:10
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mgedmindoes the wifi icon show it's online?21:12
||cwinstalled xterm yet?21:12
||cwcheck ifconfig21:13
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||cwone of the first things I install is the IPHome applet21:13
tsoi have that installed and im looking at the ip. its what i aim my pings at...21:14
tsohmm, ifconfig do not tabcomplete...21:14
||cwsweet, ermining is awesome21:14
||cw /bin/ifconfig maybe21:14
tsosbin in fact...21:14
tsoeverything looks the same there as on iphome21:15
||cwso it has an IP?21:15
mgedminwhat is ermining?21:16
_Monkeyermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed21:16
tsohmm, i removed dropbear-server, installed openssh-server instead, not much change. ssh still give me host unreachable21:16
mgedmin_Monkey: that's not very useful, you silly bot21:16
_Monkeymgedmin: i'm not following you...21:16
mgedmincan your 770 reach anything, e.g., with the browser?21:17
tsono problem there21:18
* mgedmin scratches head21:19
tsoyour not the only one21:19
tsoheh, maybe i should pull the power on my wifi base for a moment, just for the hell of it...21:19
||cwyou sure you're connected to the right access point?21:21
mgedminI think turning off the room lights and turning them back on would have about the same effect...21:21
tsomgedmin: could be the firmware in the base have gotten hickup...21:22
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tsoanyways, yes im on the right access points. its the only one withing 300+ meters21:22
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mgedminand you're not one of those crazy people who compile iptables just so they could have a firewall on their 770, right?21:23
tsonow why should i do that when i have one on my dsl router?!21:23
RushPLis n800's skype trying to use cpu instructions unavailable on n770? is it the reason it fails to start?21:24
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tsoheh, for a moment i got a "fingerprint have changed!" from ssh. but now im back at unreachable...21:25
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tsowtf? if i have app manager going with a repo update, i get a connection?!21:26
||cwtso: while you have a connection, unplug the router and see if the connection stops21:27
tsonot a option, im using that for other things right now21:27
tsohmm, now i got a ping reply!21:27
tsoand i have a ssh shell21:28
tsook, what just happened...21:28
pupniki suggest calling an exorcist21:29
tsothat or a radio tech...21:29
pupnikcover the furniture with plastic first, just in case21:29
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mgedminpower-savings gone amok?21:31
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mgedminthere were some interesting threads about that on the mailing list21:31
mgedminapparently the wlan power savings mode of the 770 doesn't work well with some accesspoints21:31
tsoim suspecting weather. its not the best right now...21:31
tsono lightnings but still21:31
mgedminand you can increase some timeouts somewhere to see if it gets better21:31
mgedminah, it's not configurable on a 77021:34
tsohmm, now the pings are gone again...21:34
tsothere is some timeout going wacked indeed21:35
tsoi need to wake things up from the 770, like say accessing a webpage21:35
pupnikthere are network powersave settings you can tweak21:38
pupnikyou can also set screen dimming/blanking to several hours21:38
tsoi think its unrelated to the display21:39
tsoas the display is currently black but the ping is still responding21:39
pupnikyes i think they are seperate21:39
tsobah, im horribly unfamiliar with debian :(21:41
mgedmindebian rules21:43
tsoheh, maybe so. but im still unfamiliar with it. like where apt-get house its sources.list and so on :(21:44
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||cw /etc/apt/  where else21:46
[31d1]debian rules rpm drules21:46
RushPLhm, can somebody tell me how can I associate .install files with adding repos?21:49
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RushPLit worked in OS2006, I was able to simply go to an .install file in the browser and retrieve packages.21:50
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[31d1]i thought .install files could do lots of stuff?21:51
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RushPLthe problem is they're not associated, they show up as text21:52
mgedminare you sure it's not a server problem?21:52
mgedminthe web server is supposed to serve .install files with the correct content-type header21:52
RushPLI think not, because it worked in the OS2006.21:52
RushPLI have an almost fresh OS200721:52
mgedminthe .install files from work for me21:53
mgedminon my N800 with OS200721:53
RushPLmaybe that's an issue with OS2007HE21:53
pupnikusing google spreadsheet for the first time collaboratively with tchat and 4 people - amazing!21:54
RushPLI don't have a bluetooth keyboard so manually adding repos would be extremely tedious for me ...21:54
RushPLpupnik: on nokia 770?21:55
pupnikno - i'll try now21:55
RushPLfor me the browser works so sluggish, and it can't even do google maps.21:55
RushPLand loading skype's webpage make everything hang for some time21:56
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pupnikmany websites are zippy fast.  some websites are very slow - took about 1 minute to load a 1000 column spreadsheet22:01
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DefRushPL, yo.22:03
DefYou got your's?22:03
DefSo did I.22:03
DefThis thing is awesome.22:04
RushPLDef: I was very very impressed.22:04
DefNeeds a todo list.22:04
DefImma make one as soon as I get gdc22:04
RushPLbut I'm a bit disappointed at OS2007 giving me headaches atm :P22:04
RushPLbut it's HE .. so not big deal22:04
DefWhy do you need OS2007?22:04
DefI see no benifit22:04
RushPLmore software22:05
mgedminbluetooth obex push support would be nice to have on a 77022:05
mgedmindoes it work on os2007HE?22:05
RushPLI wonder if somebody will get the damn skype working22:06
RushPLit shows the welcome screen only22:06
DefRushPL, like what?22:06
RushPLDef: software depending on newer libs22:07
RushPLwell, maybe I'll revert to OS2006, I need to check out the 2007 further.22:08
DefRush, let's make our own.22:08
mgedminbest features of os2007, compared to 2006: reorderable statusbar icons, tablet-to-tablet bluetooth file transfers, inlined cut/copy/paste in the virtual keyboard menu (or was this already present in os2006?)22:09
Def100% OSS22:09
RushPLDef: you want to pull me into something I'm not yet convinced to do. :P22:09
DefCould you at least send an email so we can get gdc.22:11
DefMaybe if he gets multiples he will supply a  binary22:11
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pupnikwhat is gdc?22:11
DefD compiler22:12
suihkulokkiD only works on 386 and amd6422:12
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RushPLgdc is gcc's backend22:12
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suihkulokki..and powerpc it seems22:13
suihkulokkibut no arm22:13
DefYes it does.22:13
DefI know of at least two people who currently use D on arm.22:14
DefI also know someone got it working on sparc, don't remember who.22:14
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RushPLeh, OS2007HE is just working too slow for me. I'll try latest OS2006. :)22:16
DefI am using 2006 v2, works fine.22:16
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[31d1]sweet my gps just came in the mail22:19
DefI cannot figure out the vmware maemo thing22:20
RushPLI hope I can get wesnoth working on OS2006 somehow or else I'm gonna be sad22:23
RushPLand I don't want to be sad :P22:23
DefI cannot get this vnware image22:24
DefThere are a buynch of .7z.005 files22:24
DefA bunch of .7z.#22:25
gla55_7zip files22:25
DefI know.22:25
gla55_extract them?22:25
DefBut I don't know how to decompress them all.22:25
DefThey are seperate files.22:25
DefI guess for the torrent.22:25
DefIt needs to be one file, no?22:26
RushPLyep, OS2006 feels soooo much faster22:26
gla55_dunno. doesn't 7zip know how to uncompress tehm?22:26
DefArk doesn't22:26
RushPLis Ark 7z aware?22:27
DefI think so.22:27
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DefMight just be because they have a bad extension.22:30
pupnika multi-part archive capable extractor will handle them22:30
DefI don't know of one.22:31
DefWhat would I use as the args22:32
DefJust the directory?22:32
pupnikusually the first file - not sure22:33
pupnikthen it finds the rest22:33
DefFirst file22:34
DefGot it.22:34
DefRushPL, So you don't wanna develop anything for the 770?22:37
RushPLDef: I am, just not at the very moment.22:37
DefI think I am going to make alternatives for the closed source parts.22:38
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RushPLMy first goal is to make it usable for me. :) Then I have to get bluetooth keyboard and start to mess with the system.22:38
DefDunno when.22:38
RushPLdevelopment is really the last part22:38
DefIt was pretty usable out of the box.22:38
DefWhat does it miss out of the box?22:42
bedboiis there anyone who had issues with threading?22:43
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DefHmm, vmware image doesn't boot.22:56
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bedboiwow!!! n800 uses dbus 0.6223:02
bedboiops 0.6123:02
bedboiwhy's that, it is ancient!23:02
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pupniki just tried to rewind television23:11
Pioheh i saw you in here earlier this week23:14
Pioyou got a 770 eh?23:15
DefCannot get scratchbox working.23:15
DefI even tried vmware.23:15
DefOh well... :/23:15
DefI could just dev directly on the nokia I guess.23:15
Pionot fun to compile23:17
Pioyou using debian?23:17
Pioit was pretty easy when i set it up on my debian box23:17
Pionever tried any other distros23:17
DefI need to have vdso built into my kernel.23:17
DefAnd I don't want a custom kernel.23:17
Pioeverything i was reading was kind of saying.. just use debian..23:17
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DefI guess I have a few extra hard disks to do it on.23:18
DefBut I don't wanna reboot.23:18
DefSo it is going to need to wait.23:19
bedboiguys anyone has any idea why maemo uses dbus 0.61?23:19
bedboiis there some 1.0.x unstable package ?23:19
DefCompiling on the 770 shouldn't be that slow.23:19
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DefI mean, it is a 300 mhz ARM23:20
DefI guess that would be equivalent to like, I dunno, 600 mhz intel?23:20
Def450 amf23:20
bedboiDef: why you want to compile natively?23:22
DefPio, plus D compiles insanely fast.23:23
DefA huge game engine I work on compiles in about 4 seconds, and 2 of those are likely caused by the build utility scanning for dependencies.23:24
Defbedboi: Why not?23:24
bedboiDef: that's the point23:24
bedboii mean23:24
DefNokia themselves have run D on the 77023:24
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DefThat screenie is from a nokia employee.23:27
DefWhat is root@local host password?23:30
DefIt is rootme23:33
_Monkeyrootme is probably the default pw?23:34
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bedboi_Monkey: i still got that thread problem23:35
_Monkeybedboi: huh?23:35
bedboi_Monkey: it's so bad. I can't imagine what's the problem23:36
_Monkeywish i knew, bedboi23:36
bedboiafter g_thread_create it returns but the function don't get called23:36
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Defbedboi: pretty sure monkey is a bot23:36
celestehmonkey is a bot, yes23:37
bedboistupid me.23:37
pupnikaww you spoiled it23:37
bedboiit works quite wel23:37
bedboi_Monkey: sort out my problem, slave23:37
_Monkeybedboi: huh?23:37
bedboi_Monkey: you are kinda stupid23:37
_Monkey...but _monkey is the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | an annoying bot...23:37
celesteh_monkey, turing test?23:37
_Monkeycelesteh: wish i knew23:37
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bedboiok it is quite stupid23:38
bedboiyes _Monkey you are.23:38
bedboiHarrison Ford would have spotted you in 1 question.23:39
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DefRemoving makes the boot time so much better.23:41
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DefI need scratchbox.23:43
DefHmm, what can I do about this...23:43
bedboiyep you need it23:43
bedboiit makes things simple23:43
DefThe I need it to get gdc working.23:43
* Def checks if his laptop has any empty space.23:44
bedboiguys anyone of you ever had problems with threading on maemo platform???23:44
bedboiDef: you need quite plenty23:44
DefWell, i need a new partition.23:44
DefTo throw ubuntu on.23:44
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DefI never reboot my desktop.23:44
DefI have 11 gigs.23:46
bedboiis there any nokia guy out there? I really need some help.23:46
bedboii won't ask to disclose secrets ...23:48
bedboii swear23:48
DefWhy do you need a nokia guy?23:48
pupnikbecause the current crowd doesn't know what the problem is perhaps23:48
pupnikthere are apps for the nokia that use threads23:49
DefWhat linux distribution supports broadcom wireless and gnome networkmanager and is fast to install.23:49
DefDoesn't the runtime provide?23:49
bedboipupnik: maybe there is some magic curse23:50
pupniksidux lite is deb based, current and takes about 7 minutes.23:50
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pupnikUQM uses threads23:50
pupnikbut your broadcomm module might be non-free23:50
bedboipupnik: but the question is: why the application gracefully exits???23:51
pupniki don't know23:51
bedboipupnik: in scratchbox it is even worse23:51
pupniktry the mailing list23:51
pupnikgive some simple code23:51
bedboithe problem is that the code is quite complicated23:52
Deformativepupnik: what runtime library are you using?23:52
Deformativeglibc or the other?23:52
bedboipupnik: and i use dbus, it could be a problem because n800 is shipped with ancient dbus23:52
pupnikwhatever is on 200623:52
bedboiyep it is ancient, though23:53
bedboi2006 is middle ages for dbus23:53
bedboiwhat's this23:53
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DeformativeI hope wireless works out of the box for me on ubutnu.23:56
ffoegboyerstazi, Hi, what is the best bluetooth compat keyboard23:57
erstaziffoegboy: I don't use a bt keyboard but there are a few that are suggested23:57
erstaziDeformative: it does, normally23:58
ffoegboyerstazi, any thoughts on the best recommended, I am about to buy one?23:58
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erstaziffoegboy: I never bought one or used one, so its hard for me to make a judgement23:58
infoboterstazi meant: ffoegboy: I never bought one or used one, so its hard for me to make a judgment23:59
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ffoegboyerstazi, where is the recommend list? do you know?23:59
erstazion http://maemo.org23:59

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