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| Nermal | hum | 00:04 |
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| Nermal | pupnik: just says "the password for the user cannot be changed" | 00:05 |
| Nermal | doesn't sound like they want me to change it | 00:05 |
| Deformative | So. | 00:06 |
| Deformative | Allo allo | 00:06 |
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| pupnik | Nermal: ok ... root is definitely changable. I'll ahve to check into the user pass again so i don't say the wrong thing | 00:11 |
| pupnik | hi | 00:11 |
| Deformative | Someone seed the vmware image please/ | 00:12 |
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| lardman | Is it possible to obtain a struct member's address like so?: &mystruct->somemember | 00:14 |
| * lardman is working out how to swap the endianness of an entire structure | 00:15 | |
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| Deformative | Someone seed the vmware image please? | 00:17 |
| pupnik | Well when you're working with a pointer to a struct, you have to use the -> operator to access any members of the referenced struct. | 00:21 |
| Deformative | In C. | 00:21 |
| lardman | I want the address of the member I'm accessing | 00:22 |
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| lardman | I know one can use &struct + offsetof() | 00:22 |
| lardman | but was just wondering if the other way is possible | 00:22 |
| Deformative | SOMEONE PLEASE SEED! | 00:22 |
| lardman | Deformative: Perhaps no-one has it... | 00:23 |
| Deformative | I am going to say it anyway. | 00:23 |
| Deformative | Because I want to develop. | 00:23 |
| Deformative | Whee, someone showed up. | 00:24 |
| Nermal | hum | 00:24 |
| Nermal | would amsn compiled for maemo support the webcam | 00:24 |
| Nermal | I see a /dev/video0 device :) | 00:24 |
| lardman | there's some example code in the wiki to use the webcam | 00:24 |
| Nermal | ooh | 00:25 |
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| olejorgenb | Hi, anyone knows of a tablet pc specific channel? | 00:59 |
| olejorgenb | preferably a linux centric one | 01:01 |
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| Deformative | Does maemo have a screenshot utility? | 01:02 |
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| gomiam | How to NOT make a Powerpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tGq3tH4qSw | 01:03 |
| gomiam | Deformative: there is a package that includes it | 01:04 |
| gomiam | let me check for a second... | 01:04 |
| gomiam | yes, there's "load-applet" | 01:05 |
| gomiam | an applet that includes the screenshot option | 01:05 |
| gomiam | let me see what the repository for it is. | 01:05 |
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| gomiam | ok, so you can go to http://repository.maemo.org mistral free or http://mg.pov.lt bora/user | 01:07 |
| gomiam | Deformative: do you have any of this repositories in your sources.list? Do you know how to add them? | 01:07 |
| Deformative | I just got this thing yesterday. | 01:08 |
| gomiam | oh, ok | 01:08 |
| Deformative | I haven't done anything except test the pdf viewer and play chess. | 01:08 |
| Deformative | :D | 01:08 |
| gomiam | :-D | 01:08 |
| Deformative | Oh, and I connected to my wifi and viewed my site too | 01:08 |
| gomiam | you need to add one of those repositories to be able to download it | 01:09 |
| gomiam | to do that you need to go in Red Pill Mode first | 01:09 |
| Deformative | What are the good apps to have, and what is the nokia 770 missing? I am a software dev. | 01:09 |
| gomiam | are you using 770 or 800? | 01:09 |
| Deformative | 770 | 01:10 |
| gomiam | ok | 01:10 |
| Deformative | "What are the good apps to have, and what is the nokia 770 missing? I am a software dev." | 01:10 |
| gomiam | compared to the N800, N770 has MMC cards instead of SD (and just one instead of two), it has no integrated webcam | 01:10 |
| Deformative | I am speaking software wise. | 01:11 |
| gomiam | oh | 01:11 |
| gomiam | let me think... | 01:11 |
| gomiam | not much: there are a few propietary code apps available on N800 that either aren't on N770 or have a newer version | 01:12 |
| Deformative | I plan to make a new terminal emulator as well as an IDE. | 01:12 |
| gomiam | oh, and official images of Nokia IT OS stop at 2006 on the N770 | 01:12 |
| gomiam | new terminal... what for? (besides "because I can/want/feel like it") | 01:12 |
| gomiam | there's already two (or perhaps three) xterm implementations available | 01:13 |
| olejorgenb | Deformative: I'm not sure about N770, but if it has touchscreen, I'd suggest xournal (should be in the repos I think) | 01:13 |
| Deformative | gomiam: xterm is horrible. | 01:14 |
| gomiam | olejorgenb: xournal is more note taking oriented | 01:14 |
| Deformative | On the other hand, I don't know if the maemo xterm is derived from the origional xterm. | 01:14 |
| gomiam | Deformative: if you say so. It's working great for me. | 01:14 |
| Deformative | If it is, then it sucks. | 01:14 |
| olejorgenb | gomiam: yeah, he asked what apps was good :) | 01:14 |
| Deformative | Memory usage for the original xterm is outrageous. | 01:15 |
| * gomiam fires up and xterm in his N800 | 01:15 | |
| gomiam | s/and/an/ | 01:15 |
| gomiam | two processes, one weighing 328 and the other 8920 | 01:16 |
| gomiam | yeah, it might be a bit heavy | 01:16 |
| Deformative | I also plan to fix the default chatting app so that it includes AIM | 01:16 |
| gomiam | Deformative: you may want to try and install Gaim or Pidgin instead | 01:17 |
| gomiam | you get a lot more protocols for the same price | 01:17 |
| gomiam | and once you twiddle a bit the font sizes it's quite handy | 01:17 |
| Deformative | But more apps. | 01:17 |
| Deformative | I want to keep it minimal. | 01:18 |
| gomiam | ok, ok. Just trying to save your time ;-) | 01:18 |
| Deformative | Hmm. | 01:18 |
| Deformative | True. | 01:18 |
| Deformative | I am prolly going to end up hacking the hell out of this thing. | 01:19 |
| gomiam | and, actually, you can select which protocols you want available (so if you don't want Gadu-Gadu you just don't install the related package) | 01:19 |
| gomiam | while we are talking about it, I can't find an IDE package through apt-search | 01:20 |
| gomiam | it may be hidden, in a repository I don't have, or inexistent. | 01:21 |
| Deformative | Prolly inexistent. | 01:22 |
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| Deformative | Most people develop on their scratchbox | 01:22 |
| gomiam | oh | 01:22 |
| gomiam | at least there is gazpacho :-) | 01:22 |
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| gomiam | but that's "just" a GUI builder | 01:22 |
| gomiam | I knew there was something, even if it is no complete IDE. | 01:23 |
| Nermal | hmmmm | 01:23 |
| Deformative | My ide will include a compiler, standard maemo libs, editor, build utility, etc etc | 01:23 |
| gomiam | well, gcc 4 is there, so are a lot of libs (in devel version), autoconf, automake, vi, nano... | 01:24 |
| gomiam | unless you want a windowed IDE, you have almost everything there at hand already. | 01:25 |
| Deformative | I am not talking about C. | 01:25 |
| Deformative | D | 01:25 |
| gomiam | mmm... I don't know if D is suported yet :-) | 01:25 |
| Deformative | I can make it work. | 01:25 |
| Deformative | But the nokia guys are already working on it. | 01:25 |
| Deformative | They are like the only major corporation with interest in D. | 01:26 |
| gomiam | :-) | 01:26 |
| Nermal | seems the lock code is part of the evil DSME stuff :| | 01:27 |
| Nermal | I wonder how much nokia would charge to get it reset | 01:27 |
| gomiam | ? | 01:27 |
| gomiam | what lock code, what DSME? | 01:27 |
| Nermal | for my n800 | 01:27 |
| Nermal | unless I can fake keyboard events to the change code ui | 01:27 |
| Nermal | and loop it | 01:27 |
| TPC | or just not use the lock function | 01:29 |
| Nermal | true | 01:29 |
| gomiam | oh, I see, the dsme process | 01:31 |
| pupnik | Where was the seller, Nermal? | 01:32 |
| pupnik | State? | 01:32 |
| Nermal | well | 01:32 |
| gomiam | heh, day in, day out, I get random ssh connection attempts. | 01:32 |
| * gomiam yawns | 01:32 | |
| Nermal | he said he was going to contact the guy he got it off | 01:32 |
| Nermal | I have a slut of an n800 it seems :| | 01:32 |
| pupnik | Sounds stolen. | 01:33 |
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| Nermal | well I can see he bought it off another guy on ebay end of july | 01:33 |
| Nermal | so maybe he just didn't use it much | 01:33 |
| pupnik | Ah | 01:33 |
| Nermal | he's a lecturer at dundee university | 01:33 |
| robtaylor | Nermal: reflash? | 01:33 |
| Nermal | pupnik: nice guy - said he'd get back to me | 01:34 |
| Nermal | robtaylor: doesn't reset the code :| | 01:34 |
| Nermal | it's stored somewhere else :| | 01:34 |
| robtaylor | Nermal: ah, nor flash | 01:34 |
| robtaylor | Nermal: try a cold-flash? | 01:35 |
| robtaylor | oh, you can't do that without seria.. hmm | 01:35 |
| Nermal | hmm - which means soldering from what I've read | 01:35 |
| Nermal | I think I'll wait for the guy to get back to me :) | 01:36 |
| robtaylor | Nermal: well, or devising a very clever attachment | 01:36 |
| robtaylor | aye =) | 01:36 |
| Nermal | pupnik: I hope it's not stolen - that would suck | 01:36 |
| Nermal | there aren't that many of them around so hopefully it should be ok | 01:36 |
| Nermal | came with charger, sync lead and everything so should be ok | 01:37 |
| robtaylor | Nermal: maybe he sold it cos he couldn't remember the pin... | 01:37 |
| Nermal | nah - he never used it | 01:38 |
| robtaylor | >< | 01:38 |
| Nermal | so assumed it was 12345 | 01:38 |
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| pupnik | Hmm, lbattraw had a great idea - a "phone home" applet that would ping a server or send an email when online periodically | 01:41 |
| pupnik | N800 gets stolen, wait a week, get the IP. Warrant, search and hopefully an arrest. | 01:42 |
| Nermal | yeah | 01:43 |
| pupnik | Nermal: so the device is locked when you boot it up? | 01:43 |
| Nermal | hmm.. I think mine is fine :P | 01:43 |
| Nermal | nope | 01:43 |
| pupnik | Sounds like it | 01:44 |
| Nermal | I just can't use the lock function | 01:44 |
| pupnik | Aahhh | 01:44 |
| pupnik | I misunderstood how that works. Then it's pretty understandable that previous owners wouldn't have run into that issue | 01:44 |
| Nermal | but as someone who walks a different route to work depending on where the pan and tilt CCTV cameras are pointing, I doubt I'll be leaving it around with any confidential info on it | 01:44 |
| pupnik | Heh :) | 01:45 |
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| pupnik | "alguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=68927 | 01:45 |
| pupnik | sorry | 01:45 |
| pupnik | "Why are most greeting cards designed to kill a diabetic at 20 paces?" LOL | 01:46 |
| pupnik | I so have to get the new debugged freeSCI version finished so ppl can play Kings Quest and the seirra games :/ | 01:47 |
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| Nermal | pupnik: ah - you found my online presence ;) | 01:55 |
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| pupnik | yeah nice portapc mk3 case | 02:02 |
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| pupnik | greets unique311 | 02:06 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 02:07 |
| unique311 | do you have your client set to greet everyone pupnik? | 02:08 |
| pupnik | no | 02:08 |
| pupnik | i just always say hi to you :) | 02:08 |
| pupnik | well when i'm around | 02:08 |
| unique311 | ok | 02:08 |
| unique311 | thats cool of you. | 02:08 |
| unique311 | got wxpython installed | 02:09 |
| unique311 | huge | 02:09 |
| unique311 | now working on tunapie... | 02:09 |
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| pupnik | people making entertaining things for the nokias is a very small club, unique311 | 02:09 |
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| unique311 | yeah, but seen the other day, some dude asked for something to be ported, and got a reply that stated, stop begging and compile it your danm self. | 02:11 |
| unique311 | which sucks. | 02:11 |
| unique311 | thank god i know a little about linux, to get apps i want to use going on my N800. | 02:12 |
| unique311 | but i did manage to compile the application for the guy, but it sucks, so i went on sourceforge and looked for alternatives. | 02:13 |
| unique311 | found tunapie, and been working on it. | 02:13 |
| grafster | Does anyone know what the default "user" password is on a N800 with the latest OS? | 02:14 |
| unique311 | no password for user | 02:14 |
| unique311 | root | 02:14 |
| unique311 | ? | 02:15 |
| pupnik | hmm | 02:15 |
| grafster | is it not possible to ssh into it as "user"? I just tried no password and that didn't work | 02:16 |
| pupnik | so tunapie is like streamtuner, but with video too? | 02:17 |
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| Deformative | Hmm, the 770 needs erlang | 02:26 |
| Deformative | And some lisp | 02:26 |
| unique311 | pupnik: yes | 02:26 |
| unique311 | it works in scratchbox | 02:26 |
| unique311 | segfault. | 02:27 |
| unique311 | segfault is from trying to get listings | 02:27 |
| TPC | Deformative, who cares about erlang | 02:27 |
| TPC | now haskell would be nice | 02:27 |
| TPC | ;P | 02:27 |
| Deformative | Erlang is pretty great. | 02:28 |
| Deformative | I hated haskell when I tried it. | 02:28 |
| Deformative | I am trying to get the nokia guys to hand over the D compiler so that I don't have to do it myself. | 02:28 |
| Deformative | Not that it would be difficult or anything. | 02:28 |
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| Deformative | So, is there any way to setup more protocols for the default instant messanger without flashing the device? | 02:33 |
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| Def | Ugh. | 02:57 |
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| Def | Gaim is damn disgusting. | 02:57 |
| Def | The default messanger needs AIM support | 02:57 |
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| Def | And IRC support | 02:57 |
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| setite | yea | 02:58 |
| Def | Is the default messanger OSS? | 03:00 |
| disq | no but i think it has some api for plugins and all | 03:07 |
| Def | Weird. | 03:07 |
| Def | I expected it to be oss | 03:07 |
| disq | you'll get used to it | 03:07 |
| Def | What else is closed | 03:08 |
| Def | ? | 03:08 |
| Def | I thought the whole os excluding opera was OSS | 03:08 |
| disq | almost all nokia developed apps are not oss, i think | 03:09 |
| disq | most of the key libs are. some of the key libs aren't | 03:09 |
| Def | Weirdd | 03:09 |
| disq | try pidgin btw. it's a glorified gaim but still | 03:10 |
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| Def | I have used and hated pidgin on the desktop | 03:10 |
| Def | I want to modify that default chat | 03:10 |
| disq | could use jabber transports and use the aim protocol | 03:11 |
| disq | or irc even. | 03:11 |
| unique311 | anyone can give me the name of the opera browser in /usr/bin/? | 03:11 |
| disq | osso-browser i think | 03:11 |
| unique311 | thanks | 03:11 |
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| unique311 | thats not it. | 03:12 |
| unique311 | i see browser | 03:12 |
| unique311 | and browser-launch | 03:12 |
| unique311 | browser.launch | 03:12 |
| unique311 | but not sure if thats it. | 03:12 |
| Def | How do I find out what is open and what is not? | 03:12 |
| unique311 | could be file manager | 03:12 |
| Def | unique311: did you try viming the .desktop files | 03:13 |
| disq | sources? they're distributed somewhere but don't honestly remember the url | 03:13 |
| disq | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 03:14 |
| disq | there | 03:14 |
| unique311 | def, no | 03:14 |
| disq | anyway that fills my bihourly quota of answering questions. ask better ones next time :P | 03:15 |
| Def | disq: those are all .bin files | 03:18 |
| Def | It says there was some bug fix for v 3 | 03:20 |
| Def | Hmm, maybe I should update then. | 03:20 |
| unique311 | well tunapie2 works on the n800 | 03:23 |
| unique311 | watching E.T | 03:24 |
| Def | There are no sources at the url disq provided | 03:24 |
| pupnik | nice unique311 | 03:24 |
| unique311 | too much to get it to work, kinda disappointed. | 03:24 |
| unique311 | can watch video streams from shoutcast | 03:25 |
| TPC | [02:10:37] < Def> I have used and hated pidgin on the desktop | 03:26 |
| TPC | use bitlbee | 03:26 |
| unique311 | going to request it on the maemo.org, add it to the wishlist. | 03:26 |
| TPC | from within irssi, that you run within screen | 03:26 |
| TPC | on a server that you access from ssh with your device | 03:26 |
| Def | TPC, I use kopete on desktop | 03:26 |
| Def | Where can I get the open source components of the nokia OS? | 03:27 |
| Def | They say it is gpl, but there are no sources, very illegal. | 03:27 |
| TPC | Def, if you think saying something is GPL and then not providing sources is illegal you are wrong | 03:27 |
| Def | I am right | 03:27 |
| TPC | the GPL only says that they have to provide sources to the people they distribute the binaries to | 03:27 |
| disq | click on "IT OS Sources" | 03:27 |
| TPC | not to everyone | 03:27 |
| disq | can't be simpler than that | 03:28 |
| Def | I have binaries. | 03:28 |
| Def | No sources | 03:28 |
| TPC | so they could provide it on a CD | 03:28 |
| disq | though asks for mac id etc | 03:28 |
| TPC | it also says that they don't have to do a download link or anything | 03:28 |
| TPC | in fact, they only have to provide it on a written request, if thats what they want to | 03:28 |
| disq | also try google or reading the irc logs. url at topic. | 03:28 |
| Def | Hmm. | 03:28 |
| Def | It doesn't say what bug was fixed in v3 of os 2006 | 03:29 |
| rwhitby | I remember my n800 having a written offer for source in the back of the user manual. Fully legit. | 03:29 |
| TPC | however, I would guess that you can get it somewhere on maemo.org | 03:29 |
| TPC | but don't make random statements about the GPL when you don't know how it works | 03:29 |
| Def | TPC, I thought they were not providing the sources. | 03:30 |
| Def | Because I missed the link when I clicked. | 03:30 |
| Def | Hit the one above. | 03:30 |
| Def | And i was like "..wtf" | 03:30 |
| TPC | technically they don't have to provide sources unless you make a written request | 03:30 |
| rwhitby | next time you might like to check your facts before calling something illegal activity. | 03:30 |
| TPC | so don't go say that they make something illegal, before yo even ask them | 03:30 |
| TPC | you* | 03:31 |
| Def | next time you shouldn't go spastic about a simple mistake on IRC. | 03:31 |
| Def | TPC, I understand how gpl works, I just clicked the wrong link, calm down. | 03:31 |
| TPC | so anyone who corrects you when you're wrong "goes spastics"? | 03:32 |
| TPC | anyway, its late, I'm gonna sleep | 03:32 |
| rwhitby | well, the tone you use on IRC ("very illegal") usually causes a similar tone in response when you're making incorrect statements. | 03:32 |
| Def | Count the amount of times it has been said. | 03:32 |
| rwhitby | and then when someone called you on it, you said "I am right" | 03:33 |
| TPC | yes, I rephrased, since I felt I wasn't clear enough the first time | 03:33 |
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| rwhitby | and then instead of admitting a mistake, you get your back up and call people spastic. | 03:34 |
| Def | And you still continue | 03:34 |
| Def | Enough. | 03:34 |
| _Monkey | enough is enough | 03:34 |
| pupnik | suddenly cut and paste works to/from vncclient! Hahaha insanity. | 03:37 |
| * pupnik awards two points to rwhitby | 03:38 | |
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| Def | It doesn't say what bug was fixed in v3 of os 2006, does anyone know what bug it was? I am wondering if it is worth the flash. | 03:45 |
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| pupnik | Linux Nokia770-49 2.6.16.27-omap1 | 03:52 |
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| pupnik | did i miss something? newer os2006? | 03:52 |
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| pupnik | Nokia770-49 | 03:52 |
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| Deformati | SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM | 03:52 |
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| Deformati | 49 is right | 03:53 |
| Deformati | I have an older version and I am trying to figure out what bug was fixed. | 03:53 |
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| henno | Deformati: I take it you finally got your 770 | 04:14 |
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| pupnik | no reason not to upgrade, Deformati - that I have seen | 04:21 |
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| Deformati | henno, yesterday | 04:22 |
| Deformati | :) | 04:22 |
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| Deformati | Well, I have work to do. | 04:26 |
| Deformati | Be back tomorrow | 04:26 |
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| sully | Has anyone gotten the "Illegal instruction" error running the latest Maemo Mapper? | 06:21 |
| cesman | oh! | 06:25 |
| cesman | new mapper?! | 06:25 |
| sully | hah, not really - I just upgraded to 1.4.7-3 | 06:28 |
| sully | Won't run as user | 06:28 |
| sully | I get a "Illegal instruction" statement | 06:29 |
| sully | But as root, runs fine | 06:29 |
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| DaniloCesar | Someone can confirm this information: "There is not a python-sqlite in SDK repository"? | 06:38 |
| DaniloCesar | Its very strange.. I can find a python-sqlite package at N800, but I cannot find it on scrachbox..... Some can help me? | 06:52 |
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| pupnikafk | repositories? | 07:21 |
| _Monkey | repositories is probably http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 07:21 |
| pupnikafk | DaniloCesar: ^^ | 07:21 |
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| DaniloCesar | pupnikafk, I have pymaemo's repositories on scratchbox | 07:23 |
| DaniloCesar | but there isn't any python-sqlite or something there | 07:23 |
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| pupnikafk | check /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox and n800 for differences - perhaps one is bora, the other gregale? | 07:34 |
| DaniloCesar | hummm. So I need to put gregale on SB too? OK! | 07:35 |
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| pupnikafk | There should be bora packages for everything, but in some cases there might not be, and for those perhaps the gregale (it2006) versions also work on it2007 | 07:49 |
| DaniloCesar | pupnikafk, Ok.... I will try this.. Thanks pupnik! | 07:52 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 08:41 |
| bedboi | i'm porting an application i wrote | 08:41 |
| bedboi | the bad stuff is that when i run it before a sleep it exits (without segfault) | 08:42 |
| bedboi | is there something i should know about sleeping in maemo? | 08:42 |
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| pupnik | does it requrie console/terminal input bedboi ? | 09:12 |
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| RushPL | where can I find libfreetype, in what package? | 09:16 |
| RushPL | probably libfreetype, but I cannot find it :) | 09:16 |
| inz | libfreetype6 | 09:16 |
| bedboi | pupnik: yes | 09:18 |
| bedboi | i'm just starting like ./something usb0 | 09:18 |
| bedboi | it just exit | 09:19 |
| bedboi | pupnik: what's this ? | 09:19 |
| RushPL | inz: could you point me to some repo? google can't | 09:19 |
| RushPL | inz: I'm still running the standard 2006 os, but I don't want to upgrade yet. | 09:20 |
| pupnik | bedboi: i think your app is waiting for keyboard input, and it can't get it, so it stops? | 09:20 |
| bedboi | nono, it just sleeps | 09:20 |
| bedboi | it spawns a thread then sleeps for some time | 09:21 |
| bedboi | btw the application exits immediately | 09:21 |
| bedboi | not segfaulting | 09:21 |
| pupnik | ok - not sure what's goin on | 09:21 |
| bedboi | Program exited normally. | 09:22 |
| bedboi | that's what gdb says | 09:22 |
| bedboi | it must be some dsme trick | 09:22 |
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| pupnik | RushPL see the repository search engine | 09:22 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 09:22 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 09:22 |
| bedboi | maybe dsme is checking for large sleeps | 09:24 |
| inz | sounds unlikely | 09:25 |
| inz | have you tried debug printfs ;) | 09:25 |
| bedboi | yep | 09:27 |
| bedboi | a lots of | 09:27 |
| inz | How secret is your app?-) | 09:28 |
| RushPL | pupnik: thanks, so I found two repositories possibly containing freetype, but freetype doesn't show up in the installable packages list. | 09:33 |
| bedboi | inz: what you mean? | 09:34 |
| inz | bedboi, can you show the source ;) | 09:34 |
| inz | Rush, libfreetype(6) should always be installed, it is used for rendering the fonts on the device | 09:34 |
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| bedboi | of course but the application is quite huge. | 09:36 |
| bedboi | is there any guideline about how to daemonize an application for n800 | 09:37 |
| RushPL | inz: I know, but while installing 'wesnoth', it says that it is missing. | 09:37 |
| bedboi | ? | 09:37 |
| inz | bedboi, the normal "if (fork()) { exit(0); }" should work | 09:39 |
| inz | bedboi, setsid();, closing stdin,-out and -err (and replacing with /dev/null) are also common practices | 09:40 |
| bedboi | btw i should use while(1) sleep(1); | 09:42 |
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| RushPL | libfreetype6(>=2.2.1) missing :/ | 09:43 |
| bedboi | inz: this is the code (not demonized) | 09:45 |
| bedboi | http://www.pastebin.ca/697089 | 09:45 |
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| bedboi | inz: basically i set up in new_pi_low, and spawn threads in pi_low_init | 09:45 |
| bedboi | obviously it works without any problems on any other machine | 09:45 |
| inz | Rush, are you trying to install N800 package on 770? | 09:46 |
| bedboi | no | 09:46 |
| bedboi | on n800 | 09:46 |
| RushPL | inz: It wasn't marked or so ... yes, I'm n770. | 09:46 |
| bedboi | it's non sense. because it exits | 09:46 |
| bedboi | a segfault should would be better :) | 09:47 |
| inz | bedboi, that does indeed sound weird (unless you call exit() from pi_low_init | 09:47 |
| RushPL | probably I should better flash with 2007 edition,right? | 09:47 |
| bedboi | pi_low_init can't call exit | 09:47 |
| bedboi | it just spawns threads | 09:47 |
| bedboi | g_thread_create | 09:48 |
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| bedboi | and i'm sure it doesn't exit | 09:48 |
| i-nZ | Hello. I have a windows mobile smartphone and I am unable to bluetooth pair maemo and the phone because it is detected as a PDA | 09:49 |
| bedboi | because i can see the debug message | 09:49 |
| i-nZ | what can I do about that? | 09:49 |
| inz | Rush, if you want to use wesnoth, then it seems so | 09:49 |
| bedboi | inz: "Letting the daemon sleeping | 09:49 |
| bedboi | which is after pi_low_init | 09:49 |
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| inz | What does the thread do, does it sleep aswell? | 09:50 |
| bedboi | it can do whatever it wants | 09:51 |
| bedboi | it is a thread | 09:51 |
| bedboi | one should be able to program whatever he wants | 09:51 |
| inz | Fer sure it should | 09:51 |
| bedboi | it's very weird | 09:51 |
| bedboi | the fact is that it exits without any segfault or something | 09:52 |
| bedboi | and i have no exit in the application | 09:52 |
| bedboi | or g_error | 09:52 |
| bedboi | AHAHHA | 09:53 |
| inz | And new_pi_low or pi_low_init calls g_threads_init()? | 09:53 |
| bedboi | wtf | 09:53 |
| bedboi | yep of course | 09:53 |
| bedboi | i'm telling you it works perfectly on x86 | 09:53 |
| inz | indeed | 09:53 |
| bedboi | now i added a while(1) { printf(".\n") ; sleep(1) } ; | 09:55 |
| bedboi | and i just see one .\n | 09:55 |
| bedboi | then it gracefully exits | 09:55 |
| bedboi | stupid guy | 09:55 |
| bedboi | let's say what strace tells | 09:56 |
| RushPL | does it do so with every sleep function? | 09:56 |
| bedboi | i don't know | 09:57 |
| bedboi | let's try | 09:57 |
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| bedboi | LOL | 10:01 |
| bedboi | AHAHAH | 10:01 |
| bedboi | it doesn't leep | 10:01 |
| bedboi | sleep | 10:01 |
| bedboi | no wai | 10:01 |
| bedboi | wait | 10:01 |
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| bedboi | it just sleep the first time | 10:01 |
| bedboi | it's nonsense man | 10:01 |
| bedboi | it's pure nonsense | 10:01 |
| bedboi | can i sleep just one in my lifetime??? | 10:02 |
| bedboi | it must be some dirty trick dsme is playing | 10:02 |
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| inz | I wonder if it's some bug in LinuxThreads | 10:02 |
| bedboi | it's something really weird | 10:03 |
| inz | How does the strace end? | 10:04 |
| bedboi | wait i have to install it | 10:04 |
| inz | I would guess the reason comes from inside the thread | 10:06 |
| bedboi | i would not | 10:07 |
| pupnik | doesn't sleep take a float? | 10:08 |
| bedboi | no | 10:08 |
| bedboi | man 3 sleep | 10:08 |
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| bedboi | no .*sleep function takes float | 10:09 |
| bedboi | neither usleep | 10:09 |
| bedboi | nanosleep etc | 10:09 |
| bedboi | it would be a waste | 10:09 |
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| bedboi | damn | 10:11 |
| bedboi | where i can get strace ? | 10:11 |
| _Monkey | strace is my friend for these stuff :-D | 10:11 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: yep, atm i can't access the internet through the device | 10:11 |
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| _Monkey | bedboi: sorry... | 10:11 |
| inz | bedboi, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/strace_4.5.14-1.osso1_armel.deb | 10:12 |
| pupnik | the last command inside the while loop before } does not need a ; semicolon? | 10:12 |
| bedboi | thanks | 10:12 |
| inz | pupnik, in C it does, but that's compile-time issue, not run-time | 10:12 |
| pupnik | i forget these things | 10:12 |
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| pupnik | ok | 10:13 |
| inz | pupnik, at least in perl you can omit it | 10:13 |
| bedboi | HMMM | 10:14 |
| bedboi | i guess it is inside of libpcap | 10:14 |
| bedboi | or libnet | 10:14 |
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| bedboi | are raw sockets supported? | 10:14 |
| inz | No idea | 10:15 |
| bedboi | hmm | 10:16 |
| bedboi | connect(2, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error | 10:18 |
| bedboi | {...}, 41) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 10:18 |
| bedboi | close(13) = 0 | 10:18 |
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| bedboi | what's that beast? | 10:19 |
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| inz | That's weird, connect shouldn't set errno to ENOENT | 10:20 |
| bedboi | i don't have ptraces on my x86 | 10:20 |
| henno | beast indeed | 10:20 |
| bedboi | i'm sure it's some nokia shit. | 10:20 |
| henno | for $head in $ass; do shove; done | 10:20 |
| henno | :) | 10:20 |
| bedboi | some "intelligence" | 10:20 |
| bedboi | you should see the difference between x86 and n800 straces | 10:21 |
| bedboi | there is a lot of shit in the n800 stuff | 10:21 |
| bedboi | strace | 10:21 |
| _Monkey | strace is my friend for these stuff :-D | 10:21 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: in fact i'm stracing | 10:22 |
| _Monkey | bedboi: sorry... | 10:22 |
| bedboi | there's no "ptrace" in the x86 strace output | 10:23 |
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| inz | bedboi, probebly ptrace doesn't cause errors there | 10:29 |
| bedboi | and what is this: connect(11, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 16) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 10:31 |
| bedboi | i don't have this on my x86 | 10:31 |
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| inz | bedboi, I would guess that /dev/log exists on your PC, but not on the device | 10:33 |
| RushPL | http://home.rushabse.net/~rush/muu.jpg - I <3 this | 10:33 |
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| pupnik | PADD theme? | 10:34 |
| RushPL | yeah | 10:34 |
| bedboi | inz: i'll show you the difference (last 3 lines of strace) | 10:35 |
| bedboi | this is on n800: | 10:35 |
| bedboi | rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 | 10:36 |
| bedboi | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [RTMIN], NULL, 8) = 0 | 10:36 |
| bedboi | nanosleep({2, 0}, 0xbe813740) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be restarted) | 10:36 |
| bedboi | notice nanosleep | 10:36 |
| bedboi | it should be 2 nanoseconds | 10:36 |
| bedboi | rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 | 10:37 |
| bedboi | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0 | 10:37 |
| bedboi | nanosleep({1000000000, 0}, | 10:37 |
| RushPL | bedboi: nanosleep has relatively poor precision | 10:37 |
| bedboi | i don't care about precision | 10:37 |
| bedboi | what's ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK? | 10:37 |
| bedboi | let's ask google | 10:38 |
| bedboi | ok it says that sleep has been interrupted by a signal | 10:38 |
| Protocol- | RushPL: where can I get this LCAR/PADD theme? | 10:39 |
| RushPL | Protocol-: hm, maemo-apps.org I think, or maemo.org -> Downloads | 10:40 |
| pupnik | Protocol-: search for reports of problems with it on internettablettalk.com forums first | 10:40 |
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| Protocol- | got it I think, http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD | 10:41 |
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| bedboi | inz: could that /dev/log be the problem? | 10:43 |
| jani | lol | 10:44 |
| jani | @ maemo dev mailing list DSME commit mailing list =)) | 10:44 |
| inz | bedboi, doubtful, but possible | 10:45 |
| bedboi | hmm | 10:46 |
| bedboi | i see also some SIGPROF | 10:47 |
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| bedboi | inz: i guess tcpdump is known to work | 10:53 |
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| bedboi | i mean libpcap | 10:57 |
| bedboi | is it known to work? | 10:57 |
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| red-zack | hey guys, soo my question, where to find a howto for renaming the user "user" on my 770 | 11:07 |
| red-zack | "user" looks ugly ;) | 11:08 |
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| inz | bedboi, I've no idea if it works or not, but I would guess yes | 11:15 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:35 |
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| Big_B | goof morning (~ugt) | 12:20 |
| Big_B | good | 12:20 |
| Big_B | -ljpeg .is it right to add libjpeg in makefile | 12:22 |
| Big_B | ? | 12:22 |
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| inz | Big_B, libjpeg doesn't seem to have pkg-config file, so yes, -ljpeg should be correct | 12:29 |
| Big_B | thanks | 12:32 |
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| Nermal | wump | 12:53 |
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| matmo | morning | 13:24 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 13:24 |
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| Nermal | anyone know where pupniks sdl apps are ? | 13:27 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:30 |
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| _Monkey | aloha | 13:30 |
| lardman | kulve: I did some tests re. struct packing, I'll post them to the dev list, not all that exciting, but my naive/hopeful thought of passing structs through shared memory is somewhat dashed | 13:31 |
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| * rwhitby only just found the 770 and n800 schematics at http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ ... | 14:27 | |
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| Nermal | aye - got those a while ago | 14:32 |
| Nermal | keep up ;) | 14:32 |
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| rwhitby | Nermal: yeah, I'm way behind. To busy hacking on my two openmoko phones ;-) | 14:38 |
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| craigoz | hi all, I'm new & trying to install 4.0 alpha here. After running sb-menu, starting xephyr, exporting my display, I get command not found for af-sb-init.sh start What did I do wrong? :) | 14:46 |
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| [31d1] | wait - what - is there a new OS2006 release? | 16:09 |
| erstazi | [31d1]: no | 16:12 |
| erstazi | [31d1]: the newest one is -49 | 16:13 |
| inz | But there was a new "hacker edition" for 770 a while ago | 16:13 |
| erstazi | inz: thats OS2007 | 16:13 |
| erstazi | s/OS2007/OS2007HE/ | 16:13 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: inz: thats OS2007HE | 16:13 |
| inz | erstazi, I'm aware of that, but that's what's closest to "new OS2006 release" | 16:14 |
| erstazi | inz: well, its not supported | 16:14 |
| erstazi | inz: so I don't consider it a new OS2006 release | 16:14 |
| [31d1] | ok, whew | 16:14 |
| inz | Neither do I, thus the "but" | 16:14 |
| erstazi | you definitely use a totally different repo | 16:14 |
| erstazi | and even OS2007HE is still buggy | 16:15 |
| RushPL | how buggy? (I'm gonna install it very soon) | 16:15 |
| erstazi | RushPL: well, overall, its not buggy as a whole | 16:16 |
| erstazi | but its experimental... so I will leave it at that | 16:16 |
| erstazi | RushPL: you can always dual-boot both | 16:16 |
| erstazi | unless you just want to mess and experiment | 16:16 |
| RushPL | oh, cool. Will read about dual booting. Hm, but what type of bugs? Interface glitches? Application bugs? Slowness? | 16:17 |
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| erstazi | application bugs | 16:17 |
| erstazi | which as I said, OS2007HE as a whole is not buggy | 16:18 |
| [31d1] | is there easy ways to get the audio/video codecs that are missing onto 2007? | 16:18 |
| erstazi | [31d1]: which ones? | 16:18 |
| RushPL | erstazi: oh, that's not that big of a problem then. I'm gonna hack into 770 anyway. | 16:18 |
| erstazi | there is dual-boot but I would read on http://maemo.org how to dual boot | 16:19 |
| [31d1] | i just saw where it said we cant provide a bunch of codecs due to licensing | 16:20 |
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| Protocol- | I tried OS2007HE it's very nice, many gui improvements and not too buggy, it's worth the try | 16:36 |
| TPC | about how long does the N800 take to load the battery? | 16:44 |
| TPC | does it take longer the first time, and if so, how much longer? | 16:44 |
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| lardman | Any c programmers awake on here? | 16:55 |
| lardman | ;) | 16:55 |
| lardman | I have a compile error I need some help with as I can't think what's causing it | 16:57 |
| roxfan[work] | shoot | 16:57 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/new/DSP-side/ | 16:57 |
| lardman | in compile output | 16:57 |
| lardman | I'll copy the rest of the code in there too | 16:57 |
| lardman | The errors in OGGV_ogg.h go away if I comment the lines (which are function prototypes) | 16:58 |
| lardman | the lvalue ones don't go away, even if I fiddle with the types | 16:58 |
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| roxfan[work] | hmm | 17:00 |
| lardman | I should note that the code probably won't run - as I said in my email to the list | 17:01 |
| lardman | even more so as I need to do some more complex bitswapping for the endianness differences | 17:01 |
| lardman | but it would be nice to get the bloody thing to compile | 17:01 |
| lardman | ; | 17:01 |
| lardman | ;) even | 17:01 |
| roxfan[work] | yeah, weird stuff | 17:05 |
| lardman | Any other takers on the errors? Even any vague ideas would be useful as I can't do much until I can compile the code in the headers | 17:11 |
| roxfan[work] | try checking preprocessor output | 17:12 |
| lardman | yes, good point | 17:13 |
| TPC | no one know show long a N800 takes to charge? | 17:13 |
| lardman | TPC: ~an hour | 17:13 |
| lardman | something like that, certainly not as long as overnight | 17:14 |
| TPC | thats quite a big gap :P | 17:14 |
| TPC | I just got mine, and I'm trying to figure out how long I should charge it before trying to use it | 17:14 |
| TPC | it doesn't say in the manual :( | 17:14 |
| lardman | True, let me think for a minute then - I put mine on charge at 10pm and it was charged by 12am | 17:15 |
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| lardman | as long as it has some charge you should be able to use it, the batteries are usually preconditioned or so I thought | 17:15 |
| lardman | but note that it won't charge much/at all if you sit on wifi all the time | 17:15 |
| TPC | ok | 17:16 |
| pupnik | aha! that explains what I see - ty lardman | 17:16 |
| TPC | I've gone for ~45 minutes so far, I guess I'll wait another hour, thanks for the info | 17:17 |
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| pupnik | WHOAH! Ati goes open source?! Is this for real? 900 pages of specs? | 17:19 |
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| mgedmin | that's a subset of specs for two chipset families (r500 and r600) that doesn't document the 2d/3d accelerators and some other things (like Xvmc) | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | it will take some time to convert those docs into working drivers (1-2 years?) | 17:20 |
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| TPC | well, they are working with the xorg developers | 17:27 |
| TPC | to help them get the drivers coded | 17:27 |
| TPC | giving example code for some things too | 17:28 |
| pupnik | well lur-de-dur looks like my old eyes missed that story | 17:29 |
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| pupnik | You think AMD can find some profitablility in the low-mid power range portable market? | 17:39 |
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| pupnik | Cause looks to me like ARM is moving the wall up from the low end. | 17:39 |
| pupnik | Maybe i'm falling for snake-oil here | 17:40 |
| red-zack | pupnik: meine message vor ein paar tagen erhallten? bezueglich des dark theme? | 17:40 |
| pupnik | ja habe den link erhalten | 17:41 |
| red-zack | fein | 17:41 |
| pupnik | aber .. mom - glaub verloren | 17:41 |
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| red-zack | pupnik: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1615/NuvoBlack.deb | 17:41 |
| pupnik | oh danke | 17:42 |
| red-zack | das theme rult | 17:42 |
| TPC | please speak english, the rest of us want to understand too :P | 17:42 |
| red-zack | :) | 17:42 |
| pupnik | well... theme, dark | 17:42 |
| red-zack | TPC: i told pupnik about a dark theme i found | 17:42 |
| TPC | ok | 17:42 |
| pupnik | and i must thank you red-zack | 17:42 |
| pupnik | now we need to make a sidux theme for Nokia :P | 17:43 |
| red-zack | np | 17:43 |
| [31d1] | solid.gold.code white ftw | 17:43 |
| [31d1] | where is a screenshot of nuvoblack? | 17:43 |
| red-zack | pupnik: ehehe, i think its possible with these thememaker | 17:43 |
| red-zack | *this | 17:43 |
| pupnik | yes - i've worked on a theme and it's a fair amt of work :/ | 17:44 |
| pupnik | many little pieces | 17:44 |
| red-zack | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ this one | 17:44 |
| pupnik | so thememaker should help | 17:44 |
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| red-zack | pupnik: sidux icons etc, i can made, thats not the problem | 17:44 |
| red-zack | i have some of them, only a little remake | 17:45 |
| pupnik | the headthing is that it is dark :) | 17:46 |
| red-zack | ohh dear, yes, it have to ;) | 17:46 |
| red-zack | i have a nice wallpaper for. mom | 17:46 |
| lardman | what does "mom" mean? | 17:46 |
| [31d1] | i wish the task manager area could get shrunk | 17:46 |
| red-zack | lardman: one moment | 17:47 |
| lardman | ah, in American mom=mutti, you probably want mo | 17:47 |
| red-zack | [31d1]: the cpu applet works fine, includet a "taskmanager" | 17:47 |
| pupnik | moment - just a moment | 17:47 |
| pupnik | arbgh i missed the reply | 17:48 |
| * pupnik waterboards himself | 17:48 | |
| lardman | Auf English sagt man mo statt mom | 17:48 |
| [31d1] | i mean the whole wide area on the left side takes up too much (precious) space imo | 17:48 |
| pupnik | if using the stylus maybe, if using finger no | 17:48 |
| pupnik | plus you've got > 640 pix horiz resolution for the apps anyway | 17:49 |
| * [31d1] always wants more | 17:49 | |
| suihkulokki | change to fullscreen | 17:49 |
| _Monkey | suihkulokki: that doesn't look right | 17:49 |
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| [31d1] | but yeah you're sort of right reganding finger | 17:49 |
| pupnik | HAHAHA | 17:49 |
| suihkulokki | bloody bots | 17:49 |
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| suihkulokki | change to fullscreen | 17:50 |
| _Monkey | suihkulokki: that doesn't look right | 17:50 |
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| red-zack | pupnik: this one : http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=siduxchilititanny0.png | 17:52 |
| pupnik | i wonder how those were made | 17:53 |
| red-zack | i think with inscape | 17:54 |
| red-zack | a friend does | 17:54 |
| pupnik | anyway - nice weather - must take a walk | 17:54 |
| red-zack | bye | 17:54 |
| pupnik | ah yes i saw them - not bad | 17:54 |
| red-zack | in our area clouds are comming | 17:55 |
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| AD-N770 | lardman: did you fixed the compile issue ? | 17:57 |
| lardman | AD-N770: No, I'm at work so can't try compiling till I head home | 17:58 |
| red-zack | hm, we need a lightwight compiz version for our n770^^ | 17:58 |
| lardman | can't try looking at the pre-processor output anyway | 17:58 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: which is the error message from the compiler ? | 17:59 |
| lardman | AD-N770: they are in the compiler-output.txt file in the url I gave | 18:00 |
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| lardman | AD-N770: Found it? | 18:01 |
| AD-N770 | yes, reading it now | 18:01 |
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| lardman | AD-N770: Any thoughts? | 18:13 |
| AD-N770 | is curious, I cannnot locate the proper error lines | 18:14 |
| lardman | hmm, I don't think I changed the code since then | 18:15 |
| lardman | hang on, let me take a look see | 18:15 |
| lardman | ah, I added the copyright | 18:17 |
| lardman | sorry | 18:17 |
| lardman | add 6 to the line number for OGGV_ogg.h | 18:17 |
| lardman | first error is on line 155: extern ogg_int32_t oggpack_look(oggpack_buffer *b,ogg_int16_t bits); | 18:17 |
| lardman | add 5 to the OGGV_misc.h line numbers | 18:19 |
| lardman | first error is on line 205: ogg_int16_t sign=0, bit=0; (I've just changed that back to it's original form) | 18:20 |
| lardman | Was a bit tired last night when I put the tarball together, thought I'd re-run the compile but obviously not | 18:20 |
| lardman | Not doing very well here, the declaration of sign & bit were split when I compiled, so I've split them again - the next error was on l208+5 = sign=1; | 18:23 |
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| AD-N770 | lardman: at div64_int, possibly lack of the space at if (!b)return ret; | 18:23 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: similiar one at mul64_int, if (b&1)ret=add64_64(ret,a); | 18:24 |
| lardman | I fear you're looking at the wrong lines then | 18:25 |
| AD-N770 | I was looking for statement not reached errors | 18:25 |
| lardman | Ah, well that's not a biggie as it's only a warning | 18:26 |
| AD-N770 | easier to fix and somtimes the cause of other errors :) | 18:27 |
| lardman | yeah, fair enough | 18:27 |
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| lardman | what do you mean by lack of space? | 18:28 |
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| lardman | strange it's almost as if the compiler doesn't think that sign is a variable | 18:29 |
| lardman | pre-processor output as roxfan suggested | 18:30 |
| AD-N770 | probably will be the best way | 18:30 |
| lardman | I'll take a look later on this evening | 18:31 |
| AD-N770 | I don't know if the TI compiler suport struct initializations as ogg_int64_t ret={0,0} | 18:31 |
| lardman | I don't know either, but all of the other source in the dir has compiled okay and these all use the same headers | 18:31 |
| lardman | so there's presumably something about the combination of my .c and the headers | 18:32 |
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| AD-N770 | lardman: I was refering there's no space between ) and ret | 18:37 |
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| lardman | AD-N770: I'm heading home now, I'll look at the pre-processor output and see what that shows | 18:38 |
| lardman | AD-N770: I'll let you know how I get on | 18:38 |
| AD-N770 | ok | 18:38 |
| lardman | bye chaps | 18:39 |
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| tso | hmm, maybe i should reflash to fix my app manager issue (dpgk-status do not appear to be available, i cant find the file in any bin dir) | 18:42 |
| tso | question then is, 2006 or 2007HE? | 18:42 |
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| saaib | morning | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 18:46 |
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| setyte | how do i disable strict check of rsa in ssh | 18:59 |
| [31d1] | /etc/ssh/ssh_config | 19:01 |
| TPC | if I enetered the wrong WPA key on the N800, how can I tell it to forget the one I entered and let me enter a new one? | 19:01 |
| TPC | entered* | 19:01 |
| AD-N770 | TPC, remove the connection on the control panel | 19:02 |
| [31d1] | connection manager | 19:02 |
| TPC | ok | 19:02 |
| TPC | I'm there, and I don't se eany way to remove it | 19:03 |
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| TPC | ah wait | 19:05 |
| TPC | found it | 19:05 |
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| tso | heh, flashing the 770 kinda reminds me of watching the kids in the anime denno coil restore their AR glasses after a "fight" | 19:08 |
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| setyte | how do i save and exit vi on n800 | 19:10 |
| [31d1] | :wq | 19:11 |
| [31d1] | or :x | 19:11 |
| [31d1] | <esc>:x | 19:11 |
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| tso | now to get the repos back in place | 19:14 |
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| tso | hmm, trying to add the ad-hoc repo using installer makes app manager crash | 19:23 |
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| ijon_ | what is the proper way for hildonization of sdl app? tutotial talks about maemo-games-startup whereas real n800 have osso-games-startup instead... and this one seem pretty tied to the 4 default maemo games (blocks, mahjong etc.) | 19:36 |
| ijon_ | anyone have touched this area? | 19:37 |
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| pyhimys | Anyone know how sould erminig processing take? | 19:40 |
| pyhimys | how long that is | 19:42 |
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| pyhimys | Mine has taken ~15 minutes so far | 19:43 |
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| Blacksitox | hi | 19:45 |
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| mgedmin | what's erminig? | 19:49 |
| celesteh | erming, _monkey? | 19:49 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that erming is a tool to sync GPE with google calendar and can be found someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ | 19:49 |
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| bedboi | is libpcap known to work on n800? | 20:10 |
| Pio | works on the 770... i'd assume so on the 800 | 20:10 |
| Pio | at least, i know i had tcpdump working on my 770 | 20:11 |
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| bearclaw_ | did anyone manage to build a recent Qt for maemo? | 20:12 |
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| unique311_ | question for the masses | 20:13 |
| unique311_ | I want to dual boot on the N800. | 20:14 |
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| unique311_ | now after doing so, will i be able to flash the the N800 and still be able to use my old system thats on the mmc? | 20:14 |
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| erstazi | unique311_: what else are you going to dual boot to? | 20:20 |
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| unique311_ | just regular system. | 20:23 |
| unique311_ | but having crashes with it, but don't want to get rid of it.. | 20:23 |
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| pupnik | dpkg-status? | 20:26 |
| tso | grumble, flashing should clean out the apt-get stuff yes? then why is app manager telling me to run apt-get update to clean up some repo stuff? | 20:27 |
| pupnik | yeah it stays the same unique311_ | 20:27 |
| ||cw | just used the new maemo.org downloads stuff with the .install files, python didn't work, but everything else so far is just plain sweet | 20:27 |
| ||cw | has to drop to apt to actually install python | 20:28 |
| pupnik | dunno tso | 20:28 |
| ||cw | tso: flashing should wipe everything to factory default | 20:28 |
| pupnik | yeah .install files are a good and happy thing | 20:28 |
| tso | something about not being able to stat source package lists... | 20:28 |
| pupnik | sounds like a connection error | 20:29 |
| tso | not surprised... | 20:29 |
| tso | the maemo.org servers seems to have a issue being accessed by a 770 or something :S | 20:29 |
| lmoura | ||cw, did you tried just maemo.org or tried instructions from pymaemo site? | 20:29 |
| ||cw | maemo.org | 20:30 |
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| ||cw | hm, ermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed | 20:31 |
| erstazi | tso: do you have becomeroot and ssh installed? | 20:31 |
| pupnik | i've heard that from someone else tso, but it works fine here | 20:31 |
| lmoura | ||cw, python needs two .install files | 20:31 |
| tso | just installed becomeroot and dropbear yes erstazi | 20:31 |
| erstazi | tso: do you have OS2006 or OS2007HE? | 20:32 |
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| tso | 2006 | 20:32 |
| lmoura | ||cw, check http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html | 20:32 |
| erstazi | tso: do you want my sources.list? | 20:32 |
| erstazi | tso: http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list | 20:32 |
| tso | i dont think that would be needed, but thanks | 20:32 |
| erstazi | tso: it has *majority* of the known repos | 20:32 |
| erstazi | tso: so that would give many apps to choose from | 20:32 |
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| tso | wtf, i just get "no route to host" when i try to ssh in to the 770 :( | 20:35 |
| lardman | roxfan[work]: Indeed the preprocessor told me the answer | 20:35 |
| pupnik | nice list erstazi - ty | 20:35 |
| lardman | roxfan[work]: and now that I come to think about it, I can remember creating the global variable in question, that's what comes of programming in the wee hours I think | 20:36 |
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| saaib | wwoohoo!! | 20:38 |
| saaib | A replacement Nokia 770 device, has been shipped for your original Nokia 770 device under Nokia's replacement program. | 20:38 |
| bedboi | hey guys i want to set up a stupid deb repository for my purposes (app that i have to test on n800), i never remember how to do that | 20:39 |
| bedboi | i remember an application which generates Packages.gz | 20:39 |
| tso | hrmf, reinstalled dropbear and now it just sits there with no prompt or anything when doing ssh | 20:39 |
| saaib | anyone here that have already been sent a replacement unit? Have you had any problems if the SOD comes back into the replacement? | 20:40 |
| tso | heh, seems like dropbear have some issues... | 20:40 |
| erstazi | pupnik: its a collection of different repos from maemo veterans before me! heh | 20:40 |
| erstazi | they deserve the thanks | 20:40 |
| saaib | Is anyone aware of any politic about a replacement unit being bad and being replaced? or replacement units having specific warranty policies? | 20:40 |
| RushPL | what are the advantages of nokia n800's browser engine which cannot be shipped with 2007HE image? | 20:45 |
| pupnik | It's not 2 years old? | 20:47 |
| pupnik | Or 3? | 20:47 |
| _Monkey | i think 3 is initfs i think | 20:47 |
| tso | interesting, if i ctrl-c out of a ssh login i have to reconnect the 770 to the network... | 20:48 |
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| tso | the default pass was rootme yes? | 20:49 |
| pupnik | RushPL: you know microb? | 20:49 |
| pupnik | yes | 20:49 |
| bedboi | guys have you ever had problems with threading on N800? | 20:49 |
| RushPL | pupnik: saw it in repos | 20:49 |
| tso | i dont get it, it just sits there after the password prompt | 20:49 |
| RushPL | I'm gonna flash my nokia in a second, so just wondering. | 20:50 |
| pupnik | tso that is three strange occurrences that i have never heard before | 20:50 |
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| tso | well i dont know whats going on. unless my "poor" wifi setup is messing with the ssh connection somehow | 20:51 |
| tso | bingo, ctrl-c and when i try again i get "no route to host" | 20:51 |
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| bedboi | i'm experiencing weired problems with g_thread_create | 20:52 |
| bedboi | (i guess) | 20:52 |
| bedboi | the function is called and it doesn't complain | 20:52 |
| bedboi | btw it seems that the function i pass to it is never called | 20:53 |
| bedboi | and the bad stuff is that it just exits | 20:53 |
| bedboi | even if i don't have any exits | 20:53 |
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| RushPL | and unofficially can I get flash on n770 without getting banned for asking in here? | 20:56 |
| RushPL | :P | 20:56 |
| RushPL | (with microb) | 20:56 |
| ||cw | tso: can you ping it? | 21:01 |
| RushPL | (wow, that is some forbidden question) | 21:01 |
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| tso | when i try i get host unreachable... | 21:01 |
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| pupnik | RushPL: i don't know - check the itt forums | 21:02 |
| RushPL | right, I totally forget about them. Sorry. | 21:02 |
| pupnik | flash is pretty cpu hungry though so i generally avoid it on 770 | 21:03 |
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| ||cw | RushPL: flash as in flash9? | 21:04 |
| ||cw | RushPL: or lite | 21:04 |
| RushPL | dunno, I read only that it's shipped with n800. | 21:04 |
| ||cw | until adobe recompiles it for arm, no | 21:04 |
| ||cw | n800 is armel | 21:05 |
| ||cw | er | 21:05 |
| ||cw | no i got the names wrong | 21:05 |
| ||cw | eitherway, flash that's on the n800is not binary compatable with the 770 | 21:05 |
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| tso | is the 770 even supposed to answer to ping requests? | 21:05 |
| ||cw | tso: yes | 21:06 |
| tso | then something is horribly wrong ;( | 21:06 |
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| tso | i keep getting host unreachable... | 21:09 |
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| mgedmin | tso: my 770 tended to become unreachable after the idle timeout/screen blanking | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | I had to tap it to wake it up and then usually could continue working with my existing ssh sessions | 21:10 |
| tso | well i just rebooted it so... | 21:10 |
| tso | and the screen is shining in my face | 21:10 |
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| mgedmin | does the wifi icon show it's online? | 21:12 |
| tso | yep | 21:12 |
| ||cw | installed xterm yet? | 21:12 |
| tso | yes | 21:13 |
| ||cw | check ifconfig | 21:13 |
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| ||cw | one of the first things I install is the IPHome applet | 21:13 |
| tso | i have that installed and im looking at the ip. its what i aim my pings at... | 21:14 |
| tso | hmm, ifconfig do not tabcomplete... | 21:14 |
| ||cw | sweet, ermining is awesome | 21:14 |
| ||cw | /bin/ifconfig maybe | 21:14 |
| tso | sbin in fact... | 21:14 |
| tso | everything looks the same there as on iphome | 21:15 |
| ||cw | so it has an IP? | 21:15 |
| tso | yep | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | what is ermining? | 21:16 |
| _Monkey | ermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed | 21:16 |
| tso | hmm, i removed dropbear-server, installed openssh-server instead, not much change. ssh still give me host unreachable | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | _Monkey: that's not very useful, you silly bot | 21:16 |
| _Monkey | mgedmin: i'm not following you... | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | exactly | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | can your 770 reach anything, e.g., with the browser? | 21:17 |
| tso | no problem there | 21:18 |
| * mgedmin scratches head | 21:19 | |
| tso | your not the only one | 21:19 |
| tso | heh, maybe i should pull the power on my wifi base for a moment, just for the hell of it... | 21:19 |
| ||cw | you sure you're connected to the right access point? | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | I think turning off the room lights and turning them back on would have about the same effect... | 21:21 |
| tso | mgedmin: could be the firmware in the base have gotten hickup... | 21:22 |
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| tso | anyways, yes im on the right access points. its the only one withing 300+ meters | 21:22 |
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| mgedmin | and you're not one of those crazy people who compile iptables just so they could have a firewall on their 770, right? | 21:23 |
| tso | now why should i do that when i have one on my dsl router?! | 21:23 |
| RushPL | is n800's skype trying to use cpu instructions unavailable on n770? is it the reason it fails to start? | 21:24 |
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| tso | heh, for a moment i got a "fingerprint have changed!" from ssh. but now im back at unreachable... | 21:25 |
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| tso | wtf? if i have app manager going with a repo update, i get a connection?! | 21:26 |
| ||cw | tso: while you have a connection, unplug the router and see if the connection stops | 21:27 |
| tso | not a option, im using that for other things right now | 21:27 |
| tso | hmm, now i got a ping reply! | 21:27 |
| tso | and i have a ssh shell | 21:28 |
| tso | ok, what just happened... | 21:28 |
| pupnik | i suggest calling an exorcist | 21:29 |
| tso | that or a radio tech... | 21:29 |
| pupnik | cover the furniture with plastic first, just in case | 21:29 |
| tso | hehe | 21:29 |
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| mgedmin | power-savings gone amok? | 21:31 |
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| mgedmin | there were some interesting threads about that on the mailing list | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | apparently the wlan power savings mode of the 770 doesn't work well with some accesspoints | 21:31 |
| tso | im suspecting weather. its not the best right now... | 21:31 |
| tso | no lightnings but still | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | and you can increase some timeouts somewhere to see if it gets better | 21:31 |
| mgedmin | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/18057 | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | ah, it's not configurable on a 770 | 21:34 |
| tso | hmm, now the pings are gone again... | 21:34 |
| tso | there is some timeout going wacked indeed | 21:35 |
| tso | i need to wake things up from the 770, like say accessing a webpage | 21:35 |
| pupnik | there are network powersave settings you can tweak | 21:38 |
| pupnik | you can also set screen dimming/blanking to several hours | 21:38 |
| tso | i think its unrelated to the display | 21:39 |
| tso | as the display is currently black but the ping is still responding | 21:39 |
| pupnik | yes i think they are seperate | 21:39 |
| tso | bah, im horribly unfamiliar with debian :( | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | debian rules | 21:43 |
| tso | heh, maybe so. but im still unfamiliar with it. like where apt-get house its sources.list and so on :( | 21:44 |
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| [31d1] | /etc/apt/ | 21:46 |
| ||cw | /etc/apt/ where else | 21:46 |
| [31d1] | debian rules rpm drules | 21:46 |
| RushPL | hm, can somebody tell me how can I associate .install files with adding repos? | 21:49 |
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| RushPL | it worked in OS2006, I was able to simply go to an .install file in the browser and retrieve packages. | 21:50 |
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| [31d1] | i thought .install files could do lots of stuff? | 21:51 |
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| RushPL | the problem is they're not associated, they show up as text | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | are you sure it's not a server problem? | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | the web server is supposed to serve .install files with the correct content-type header | 21:52 |
| RushPL | I think not, because it worked in the OS2006. | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | application/x-install-instructions | 21:52 |
| RushPL | I have an almost fresh OS2007 | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | hm | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | the .install files from downloads.maemo.org work for me | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | on my N800 with OS2007 | 21:53 |
| RushPL | maybe that's an issue with OS2007HE | 21:53 |
| pupnik | using google spreadsheet for the first time collaboratively with tchat and 4 people - amazing! | 21:54 |
| RushPL | I don't have a bluetooth keyboard so manually adding repos would be extremely tedious for me ... | 21:54 |
| RushPL | pupnik: on nokia 770? | 21:55 |
| pupnik | no - i'll try now | 21:55 |
| RushPL | for me the browser works so sluggish, and it can't even do google maps. | 21:55 |
| RushPL | and loading skype's webpage make everything hang for some time | 21:56 |
| RushPL | *makes | 21:56 |
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| pupnik | many websites are zippy fast. some websites are very slow - took about 1 minute to load a 1000 column spreadsheet | 22:01 |
| pupnik | s/column/row | 22:02 |
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| Def | RushPL, yo. | 22:03 |
| Def | You got your's? | 22:03 |
| RushPL | yep | 22:03 |
| Def | So did I. | 22:03 |
| Def | This thing is awesome. | 22:04 |
| RushPL | Def: I was very very impressed. | 22:04 |
| Def | Needs a todo list. | 22:04 |
| Def | Imma make one as soon as I get gdc | 22:04 |
| RushPL | but I'm a bit disappointed at OS2007 giving me headaches atm :P | 22:04 |
| RushPL | but it's HE .. so not big deal | 22:04 |
| Def | Why do you need OS2007? | 22:04 |
| Def | I see no benifit | 22:04 |
| RushPL | more software | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | bluetooth obex push support would be nice to have on a 770 | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | does it work on os2007HE? | 22:05 |
| RushPL | I wonder if somebody will get the damn skype working | 22:06 |
| RushPL | it shows the welcome screen only | 22:06 |
| Def | RushPL, like what? | 22:06 |
| RushPL | Def: software depending on newer libs | 22:07 |
| RushPL | well, maybe I'll revert to OS2006, I need to check out the 2007 further. | 22:08 |
| Def | Rush, let's make our own. | 22:08 |
| mgedmin | best features of os2007, compared to 2006: reorderable statusbar icons, tablet-to-tablet bluetooth file transfers, inlined cut/copy/paste in the virtual keyboard menu (or was this already present in os2006?) | 22:09 |
| Def | 100% OSS | 22:09 |
| RushPL | Def: you want to pull me into something I'm not yet convinced to do. :P | 22:09 |
| Def | Hehe. | 22:10 |
| Def | Could you at least send an email so we can get gdc. | 22:11 |
| Def | Maybe if he gets multiples he will supply a binary | 22:11 |
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| pupnik | what is gdc? | 22:11 |
| Def | D compiler | 22:12 |
| suihkulokki | D only works on 386 and amd64 | 22:12 |
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| Def | DMD | 22:12 |
| RushPL | gdc is gcc's backend | 22:12 |
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| Def | Yeah. | 22:12 |
| suihkulokki | ..and powerpc it seems | 22:13 |
| Def | ... | 22:13 |
| suihkulokki | but no arm | 22:13 |
| Def | Omg | 22:13 |
| Def | Dude | 22:13 |
| Def | Yes it does. | 22:13 |
| Def | I know of at least two people who currently use D on arm. | 22:14 |
| Def | I also know someone got it working on sparc, don't remember who. | 22:14 |
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| RushPL | eh, OS2007HE is just working too slow for me. I'll try latest OS2006. :) | 22:16 |
| Def | I am using 2006 v2, works fine. | 22:16 |
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| [31d1] | sweet my gps just came in the mail | 22:19 |
| Def | ..wtf | 22:19 |
| Def | I cannot figure out the vmware maemo thing | 22:20 |
| RushPL | I hope I can get wesnoth working on OS2006 somehow or else I'm gonna be sad | 22:23 |
| RushPL | and I don't want to be sad :P | 22:23 |
| Def | ... | 22:24 |
| Def | I cannot get this vnware image | 22:24 |
| Def | There are a buynch of .7z.005 files | 22:24 |
| Def | Erm | 22:25 |
| Def | Wait | 22:25 |
| Def | A bunch of .7z.# | 22:25 |
| gla55_ | 7zip files | 22:25 |
| Def | I know. | 22:25 |
| gla55_ | extract them? | 22:25 |
| Def | But I don't know how to decompress them all. | 22:25 |
| Def | They are seperate files. | 22:25 |
| Def | I guess for the torrent. | 22:25 |
| Def | It needs to be one file, no? | 22:26 |
| RushPL | yep, OS2006 feels soooo much faster | 22:26 |
| gla55_ | dunno. doesn't 7zip know how to uncompress tehm? | 22:26 |
| Def | Ark doesn't | 22:26 |
| RushPL | is Ark 7z aware? | 22:27 |
| Def | I think so. | 22:27 |
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| Def | Hmm | 22:30 |
| Def | Might just be because they have a bad extension. | 22:30 |
| pupnik | a multi-part archive capable extractor will handle them | 22:30 |
| Def | Example? | 22:31 |
| Def | I don't know of one. | 22:31 |
| pupnik | p7zip | 22:31 |
| Def | What would I use as the args | 22:32 |
| Def | ? | 22:32 |
| Def | Just the directory? | 22:32 |
| pupnik | usually the first file - not sure | 22:33 |
| pupnik | then it finds the rest | 22:33 |
| Def | Ah | 22:34 |
| Def | First file | 22:34 |
| Def | Got it. | 22:34 |
| Def | RushPL, So you don't wanna develop anything for the 770? | 22:37 |
| RushPL | Def: I am, just not at the very moment. | 22:37 |
| Def | I think I am going to make alternatives for the closed source parts. | 22:38 |
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| RushPL | My first goal is to make it usable for me. :) Then I have to get bluetooth keyboard and start to mess with the system. | 22:38 |
| Def | Dunno when. | 22:38 |
| RushPL | development is really the last part | 22:38 |
| Def | It was pretty usable out of the box. | 22:38 |
| Def | What does it miss out of the box? | 22:42 |
| bedboi | re | 22:43 |
| bedboi | is there anyone who had issues with threading? | 22:43 |
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| Def | Hmm, vmware image doesn't boot. | 22:56 |
| Def | Lame. | 22:56 |
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| bedboi | wow!!! n800 uses dbus 0.62 | 23:02 |
| bedboi | ops 0.61 | 23:02 |
| bedboi | damn | 23:02 |
| bedboi | why's that, it is ancient! | 23:02 |
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| pupnik | i just tried to rewind television | 23:11 |
| Pio | heh | 23:12 |
| Def | Pio. | 23:14 |
| Def | Whoa. | 23:14 |
| Def | Hi. | 23:14 |
| Pio | yo | 23:14 |
| Pio | heh i saw you in here earlier this week | 23:14 |
| Pio | you got a 770 eh? | 23:15 |
| Def | Yeah. | 23:15 |
| Def | :D | 23:15 |
| Def | Cannot get scratchbox working. | 23:15 |
| Def | I even tried vmware. | 23:15 |
| Def | Oh well... :/ | 23:15 |
| Def | I could just dev directly on the nokia I guess. | 23:15 |
| Pio | not fun to compile | 23:17 |
| Pio | you using debian? | 23:17 |
| Def | Archlinux | 23:17 |
| Pio | it was pretty easy when i set it up on my debian box | 23:17 |
| Def | Well. | 23:17 |
| Pio | never tried any other distros | 23:17 |
| Def | I need to have vdso built into my kernel. | 23:17 |
| Def | And I don't want a custom kernel. | 23:17 |
| Pio | everything i was reading was kind of saying.. just use debian.. | 23:17 |
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| Def | Hmm. | 23:18 |
| Def | I guess I have a few extra hard disks to do it on. | 23:18 |
| Def | But I don't wanna reboot. | 23:18 |
| Def | So it is going to need to wait. | 23:19 |
| bedboi | guys anyone has any idea why maemo uses dbus 0.61? | 23:19 |
| bedboi | is there some 1.0.x unstable package ? | 23:19 |
| Def | Compiling on the 770 shouldn't be that slow. | 23:19 |
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| Def | I mean, it is a 300 mhz ARM | 23:20 |
| Def | I guess that would be equivalent to like, I dunno, 600 mhz intel? | 23:20 |
| Def | 450 amf | 23:20 |
| Def | amd* | 23:21 |
| bedboi | Def: why you want to compile natively? | 23:22 |
| Def | Pio, plus D compiles insanely fast. | 23:23 |
| Def | A huge game engine I work on compiles in about 4 seconds, and 2 of those are likely caused by the build utility scanning for dependencies. | 23:24 |
| Def | bedboi: Why not? | 23:24 |
| bedboi | Def: that's the point | 23:24 |
| bedboi | i mean | 23:24 |
| Def | Nokia themselves have run D on the 770 | 23:24 |
| Def | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l | 23:24 |
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| Def | That screenie is from a nokia employee. | 23:27 |
| Def | What is root@local host password? | 23:30 |
| Def | Oh. | 23:33 |
| Def | It is rootme | 23:33 |
| bedboi | rootme | 23:34 |
| _Monkey | rootme is probably the default pw? | 23:34 |
| bedboi | yep | 23:34 |
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| bedboi | _Monkey: i still got that thread problem | 23:35 |
| _Monkey | bedboi: huh? | 23:35 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: it's so bad. I can't imagine what's the problem | 23:36 |
| _Monkey | wish i knew, bedboi | 23:36 |
| bedboi | after g_thread_create it returns but the function don't get called | 23:36 |
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| Def | bedboi: pretty sure monkey is a bot | 23:36 |
| bedboi | LOL | 23:37 |
| celesteh | monkey is a bot, yes | 23:37 |
| bedboi | stupid me. | 23:37 |
| pupnik | aww you spoiled it | 23:37 |
| bedboi | it works quite wel | 23:37 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: sort out my problem, slave | 23:37 |
| _Monkey | bedboi: huh? | 23:37 |
| bedboi | _Monkey: you are kinda stupid | 23:37 |
| _Monkey | ...but _monkey is the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | an annoying bot... | 23:37 |
| celesteh | _monkey, turing test? | 23:37 |
| _Monkey | celesteh: wish i knew | 23:37 |
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| bedboi | ok it is quite stupid | 23:38 |
| bedboi | yes _Monkey you are. | 23:38 |
| bedboi | Harrison Ford would have spotted you in 1 question. | 23:39 |
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| Def | Wowsa. | 23:41 |
| Def | Removing http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l makes the boot time so much better. | 23:41 |
| Def | Amazing. | 23:41 |
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| Def | Bleh. | 23:43 |
| Def | I need scratchbox. | 23:43 |
| Def | Hmm, what can I do about this... | 23:43 |
| bedboi | yep you need it | 23:43 |
| bedboi | it makes things simple | 23:43 |
| Def | The I need it to get gdc working. | 23:43 |
| * Def checks if his laptop has any empty space. | 23:44 | |
| bedboi | guys anyone of you ever had problems with threading on maemo platform??? | 23:44 |
| bedboi | Def: you need quite plenty | 23:44 |
| Def | Well, i need a new partition. | 23:44 |
| Def | To throw ubuntu on. | 23:44 |
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| Def | I never reboot my desktop. | 23:44 |
| Def | So. | 23:44 |
| Def | Ah. | 23:46 |
| Def | I have 11 gigs. | 23:46 |
| bedboi | is there any nokia guy out there? I really need some help. | 23:46 |
| bedboi | i won't ask to disclose secrets ... | 23:48 |
| bedboi | i swear | 23:48 |
| Def | Why do you need a nokia guy? | 23:48 |
| pupnik | because the current crowd doesn't know what the problem is perhaps | 23:48 |
| pupnik | there are apps for the nokia that use threads | 23:49 |
| Def | What linux distribution supports broadcom wireless and gnome networkmanager and is fast to install. | 23:49 |
| Def | Doesn't the runtime provide? | 23:49 |
| bedboi | pupnik: maybe there is some magic curse | 23:50 |
| pupnik | sidux lite is deb based, current and takes about 7 minutes. | 23:50 |
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| pupnik | UQM uses threads | 23:50 |
| pupnik | but your broadcomm module might be non-free | 23:50 |
| bedboi | pupnik: but the question is: why the application gracefully exits??? | 23:51 |
| pupnik | i don't know | 23:51 |
| bedboi | pupnik: in scratchbox it is even worse | 23:51 |
| pupnik | try the mailing list | 23:51 |
| pupnik | give some simple code | 23:51 |
| bedboi | the problem is that the code is quite complicated | 23:52 |
| Deformative | pupnik: what runtime library are you using? | 23:52 |
| Deformative | glibc or the other? | 23:52 |
| bedboi | pupnik: and i use dbus, it could be a problem because n800 is shipped with ancient dbus | 23:52 |
| pupnik | whatever is on 2006 | 23:52 |
| bedboi | yep it is ancient, though | 23:53 |
| bedboi | 2006 is middle ages for dbus | 23:53 |
| bedboi | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/dbus/1.0.2-0osso10/ | 23:53 |
| bedboi | hmm | 23:53 |
| bedboi | what's this | 23:53 |
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| Deformative | I hope wireless works out of the box for me on ubutnu. | 23:56 |
| Deformative | :S | 23:56 |
| ffoegboy | erstazi, Hi, what is the best bluetooth compat keyboard | 23:57 |
| erstazi | ffoegboy: I don't use a bt keyboard but there are a few that are suggested | 23:57 |
| erstazi | Deformative: it does, normally | 23:58 |
| ffoegboy | erstazi, any thoughts on the best recommended, I am about to buy one? | 23:58 |
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| erstazi | ffoegboy: I never bought one or used one, so its hard for me to make a judgement | 23:58 |
| erstazi | s/judgement/judgment/ | 23:59 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: ffoegboy: I never bought one or used one, so its hard for me to make a judgment | 23:59 |
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| ffoegboy | erstazi, where is the recommend list? do you know? | 23:59 |
| erstazi | on http://maemo.org | 23:59 |
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