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| Blacksitox | hi | 04:05 |
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| micky | Hi | 04:40 |
| _Monkey | salut, micky | 04:40 |
| micky | any kernel hacker around? | 04:40 |
| micky | hi monkey | 04:40 |
| micky | I was trying to find out if the kernel for Bora has the tickless patches compiled in. I can't find any traces of it in the sources | 04:42 |
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| kriebz | stupid Debian | 05:48 |
| kriebz | I might need help flashing my 770 | 05:48 |
| kriebz | Etch has something about it that the flasher doesn't work | 05:48 |
| kriebz | can't find the solution posted reliably | 05:49 |
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| jaek | hey guys, i'm using the media streamer program | 07:07 |
| jaek | 4:3 videos play, but non standard ratio videos dont play | 07:07 |
| jaek | anyone have experience with this? | 07:07 |
| jaek | i know it isnt a codec issue cus it plays files using the same codecs but the only difference is the resolutions | 07:09 |
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| konttori | Please read my blog and have a look at the UKMP 1.7 concept image. | 11:31 |
| konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/09/urho-konttori-has-started-working-for.html | 11:31 |
| konttori | Comments would be really welcome at this stage before I start any coding. | 11:31 |
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| pupnik | will do konttori | 11:36 |
| konttori | thanks! | 11:36 |
| pupnik | congratulations on the job! | 11:37 |
| konttori | oh, thanks! | 11:37 |
| pupnik | What is your position? | 11:37 |
| konttori | leading part of the data management | 11:37 |
| konttori | it's part programming lead, part project manager. | 11:38 |
| konttori | We'll see how it develops. | 11:38 |
| pupnik | layout looks great imo. | 11:39 |
| konttori | at the moment it's the "feeling really confused about everything" - position. - No, really, I'm getting the hang of it, but there's a steep learning curve too get adjusted to the workings of a big and well organized company. | 11:39 |
| konttori | ahh. thanks. | 11:39 |
| pupnik | for some applications, it is preferable to have control elements on the bottom, so the hand does not obscure the screen | 11:40 |
| pupnik | i don't think this applies for ukmo though | 11:40 |
| pupnik | ukmp | 11:40 |
| konttori | true enough. I'll test that interface on the device. (as a still image) and see how it 'feels' like | 11:40 |
| pupnik | it would best if you had a hardcore ukmp user for feedback - did you post on the ITT forums? | 11:41 |
| konttori | I did. yeah. | 11:41 |
| konttori | It's just that the feedback takes at least 2 days to be fruitfull. | 11:42 |
| pupnik | yes | 11:42 |
| konttori | So that all the active parties have been to the forums. | 11:42 |
| konttori | And it's also really important to keep the discussion on the front page for all that time. | 11:42 |
| konttori | so it's quite hard work to get good feedback from there. | 11:43 |
| pupnik | you are finnish? | 11:43 |
| pupnik | *speak | 11:43 |
| konttori | yeah | 11:44 |
| konttori | Although at work english is the official language. | 11:44 |
| konttori | So it doesn't really matter that much. | 11:45 |
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| konttori | Hey punik: Haven't you been doing all those emulators? | 11:49 |
| konttori | Really good stuff. Did you make the nintendo emu? | 11:49 |
| pupnik | i didn't *make* anything yet, except for a simple sdl game | 11:50 |
| konttori | well, port | 11:50 |
| pupnik | thanks... there are cooler things coming up | 11:50 |
| pupnik | yes | 11:50 |
| konttori | Did you already fix the flickering bug in the nes emu? | 11:51 |
| konttori | It seemed really cool, except for the flickering. | 11:51 |
| pupnik | fceu? it runs slowly here without flickering | 11:51 |
| konttori | yeah. fceu | 11:51 |
| pupnik | I will port a full-speed NES emulator | 11:52 |
| konttori | In my device (n800) it scales the screen every time I tap on the screen. | 11:52 |
| pupnik | And an almost full-speed SNES emulator | 11:52 |
| pupnik | ahh do you have a cursor enabled for synergy? | 11:52 |
| konttori | And then when I lift my finger, it goes to normal mode. | 11:52 |
| konttori | nope? | 11:53 |
| konttori | nope | 11:53 |
| pupnik | ok then this is a new bug | 11:53 |
| konttori | you have almost full speed snes? | 11:53 |
| pupnik | unfortunately the maintainer (tak) is very busy right now | 11:53 |
| konttori | great stuff! | 11:53 |
| pupnik | no, but it is coming | 11:53 |
| konttori | Yeah, the flickering seems like a really small bug to fix. It happens on the latest firmware on n800. | 11:54 |
| konttori | I love fceu in that it plays also music. | 11:54 |
| pupnik | ok the flickering: the game display screen flickers to 1/2 size and displays briefly to the center-upper-left corner? | 11:54 |
| pupnik | is that correct? | 11:55 |
| konttori | Hey, I just realized some time ago that if you omit the dpad middle button and allow user to keep it constantly pressed down, the dpad actually seems to work pretty well. | 11:55 |
| konttori | yeah. When I press the screen, it will scale the image to 2x size. | 11:55 |
| pupnik | yes, that center button is part of the problem | 11:55 |
| pupnik | ok this is strange | 11:55 |
| pupnik | when fceu runs normally, does the game window take up the full screen height? | 11:56 |
| konttori | And also, on start (from xmame). It does not drat the right side buttons. | 11:56 |
| konttori | However, if I lock the screen and then unlock it, after that the buttons are visible. | 11:56 |
| pupnik | heh | 11:56 |
| pupnik | when you say 2x, does this mean the image is temporarily twice as large as it should be? | 11:57 |
| konttori | Also, initially the emu does not have black background, but instead, xmame is visible in the background. After lock/unlock. background is black again. | 11:57 |
| konttori | yeah, that's what I mean. | 11:57 |
| konttori | It's scaled 2x until I lift my finger. | 11:57 |
| pupnik | that is something i've never seen before. very interesting. | 11:57 |
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| konttori | do you have n800? | 11:58 |
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| pupnik | no just 770 | 11:58 |
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| pupnik | i am optimizing things to run fast enough on 770, then 800 is guaranteed ok. | 11:58 |
| konttori | Good idea. | 11:58 |
| salty-horse | can anyone please explain what the Hildon Input Method is? all the information I can find about it is technical, and doesn't explain the basic purpose of it | 11:58 |
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| pupnik | purpose is to provide keyboard input to hildon apps? | 12:01 |
| salty-horse | is it just an on-screen keyboard? nothing special about it? | 12:02 |
| pupnik | i don't way to say anything inaccurate | 12:03 |
| pupnik | I think it also handles the thumbboard and handwriting recognition | 12:04 |
| pupnik | and it also handles activating the virtual input when you tap on an input field | 12:05 |
| konttori | Yeah. And I think that the instructions are there to help community to build alternative input methods. | 12:07 |
| konttori | I guess it's there for non-latin alphabets as well as for research use (for really different input methods) | 12:08 |
| konttori | But I really don't know anything more about it | 12:08 |
| salty-horse | I initially thought it was a new magical input method that didn't have patents :) | 12:10 |
| konttori | well, I think that you can build your unpatented input method using that framework | 12:16 |
| pupnik | it is distinct from X input method. for e.g. an X virtual keyboard works with SDL apps, but the hildon does not. | 12:16 |
| pupnik | unless your sdl app contains code to handle the hildon input method | 12:17 |
| rev | how much of a pain is that? | 12:21 |
| rev | is there any easyish way to use hildon input via a non gtk app yet? | 12:21 |
| derf | I thought that's what the new documentation was for. | 12:22 |
| * rev isn't sure what new documentation there is | 12:22 | |
| derf | Me neither. | 12:22 |
| rev | ah. i see. i think. | 12:23 |
| konttori | I added another alternative to the interface screenshot. It moves the toolbar from top to bottom. Can you pupnik (and others) have a look and comment if it should be at the top or at the bottom: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=74172#post74172 | 12:26 |
| pupnik | how do you handle the different resolution in fullscreen/windowed? | 12:27 |
| pupnik | if the control buttons will get pushed off when at bottom, then it might just be simplest to have them on top | 12:28 |
| pupnik | until you get around to scaling the album cover preview for both resolutions, that is :) | 12:28 |
| konttori | Yeah, well, the scaled versions would need to have alternative scaled image. This would result in twice the memory consumption. | 12:30 |
| konttori | and that is bad (tm) ;) | 12:30 |
| pupnik | oh dear! nevermind then | 12:30 |
| konttori | I mean, scaling all the albums on the flu would take too long in the switch between fullscreen and normal modes. And thus it would have to be converted on the startup. | 12:32 |
| konttori | the sop is indeed better, but the bottom one does look better. Kinda hard decision to make. | 12:33 |
| pupnik | when scrolling through album covers, one uses tap-and-drag on the album window, right? | 12:34 |
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| pupnik | i mean, unless the top controls really obscure needed data, i'd leave them | 12:35 |
| pupnik | or heck, make it a user settings preference :P | 12:35 |
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| konttori | I think I'll go with the top controls for now. Unless I get solid reasons for the opposite from the forums. | 12:44 |
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| keesj | apt-get -d install libreadline4 | 13:32 |
| keesj | libreadline4 is already the newest version. | 13:32 |
| keesj | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR | 13:32 |
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| pupnik | Eric Boehlert, senior fellow at Media Matters for America and author of Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush, discusses the American TV and print media\u2019s abandonment of the Iraq war story despite the fact that it remains the topic Americans are most interested in. | 14:12 |
| pupnik | oop | 14:12 |
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| disq | morning (well, ugt) | 15:14 |
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| Blacksito | buenos dias | 15:34 |
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| * pupnik is setting up n800 to be a remote control for television pvr :) | 17:17 | |
| pupnik | n770 i mean | 17:17 |
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| Blacksitox | re | 17:25 |
| Blacksitox | dew | 17:26 |
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| toed | is it not possible to put symlinks on the memory card? | 18:10 |
| pupnik | fat filesystem can not do symlinks - but you can symlink from / to the memory card | 18:12 |
| toed | how do you mean? | 18:12 |
| pupnik | for e.g. ln -s /media/mmc1/games/share/biggame /usr/share/biggame | 18:13 |
| pupnik | a symbolic link from* the jffs or ext filesystme TO the memory card fat filesystem works fine | 18:14 |
| toed | oh okay | 18:14 |
| toed | but I wanted the other way :p | 18:14 |
| pupnik | think about that - are you sure? | 18:14 |
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| toed | maybe you have a better idea: I've got an sshfs mount and I want to access it from the fancy media players | 18:15 |
| toed | that only seem to look on the memory card | 18:15 |
| pupnik | i see. | 18:15 |
| pupnik | definitely something to give feedback to konttori (ukmp) and the other authors about | 18:16 |
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| pupnik | what media player? | 18:16 |
| toed | ukmp, precisely | 18:16 |
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| toed | also is there a way to go to an arbitrary directory with the plain old file manager? | 18:17 |
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| pupnik | he was around earlier today - he is going to do some work on it this weekend - please see the recent thread on internettablettalk.com forums | 18:18 |
| pupnik | i don't know - that annoys me too - but i don't use it much | 18:18 |
| pupnik | you might be able to get that feature in by monday | 18:18 |
| toed | what do you use instead? | 18:18 |
| toed | alright | 18:18 |
| pupnik | the shell and a keyboard | 18:18 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=74172#post74172 | 18:20 |
| pupnik | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/09/urho-konttori-has-started-working-for.html | 18:20 |
| toed | okay, thanks | 18:20 |
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| * Nermal has just bought an n800 :D | 18:37 | |
| Nermal | *bounce* | 18:37 |
| skler` | :D | 18:42 |
| Nermal | after my 770 order was cancelled because they couldn't get hold of any | 18:44 |
| Nermal | £150 off ebay :) | 18:45 |
| pupnik | nice Nermal :) | 18:45 |
| pupnik | graaargh | 18:45 |
| pupnik | great score | 18:46 |
| Nermal | after years of wanting one - my last linux device was an ipaq 3630 | 18:46 |
| Nermal | which had 16mb of storage and 32mb of ram :) | 18:46 |
| Nermal | I've still got a CRT and my shoes need replacing, but I have an n800 :D | 18:47 |
| pupnik | good priorities. where have i seen the Nick nermal before... - kanotix? | 18:47 |
| Nermal | dunno - been on freenode for 8 years now :| | 18:47 |
| Nermal | I'm on oftc too | 18:48 |
| pupnik | ok then :) | 18:48 |
| Nermal | :) | 18:48 |
| pupnik | you can help port fun software to it? | 18:48 |
| Nermal | hopefully :) | 18:49 |
| Nermal | wonder if bluefish would be a good candidate | 18:49 |
| Nermal | a nice code editor would be good | 18:49 |
| pupnik | if it needs menu support, then you want to look at gtk2 programs | 18:50 |
| pupnik | i use vim atm | 18:50 |
| Nermal | ah.. nice | 18:51 |
| pupnik | i just am doing sdl games/emus atm | 18:52 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/software.html is the WIP page | 18:52 |
| Nermal | nice :) | 18:52 |
| Nermal | woo dosbox - commander keen :D | 18:52 |
| pupnik | yeah 0.70 had too many bugs - 0.65 gives about 4.77-12mhz PC performance depending on many factors | 18:54 |
| Nermal | :D | 18:56 |
| Nermal | does bb run ? :) | 18:57 |
| pupnik | bb? | 18:57 |
| `0660 | big brother | 18:57 |
| Nermal | it's an aalib demonstration program - quite leet | 18:58 |
| Nermal | apt-get install bb if you're using ubuntu | 18:58 |
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| pupnik | whoah | 18:59 |
| pupnik | handles term resizing too | 19:01 |
| Nermal | cool eh ? :) | 19:03 |
| pupnik | mine is all black/white - | 19:03 |
| Nermal | aye | 19:03 |
| pupnik | ok this must be ported | 19:04 |
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| konttori | Umm... The easiest way for now is for you to change the code of ukmp. | 19:06 |
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| konttori | Just open the ukmp in leafpad. | 19:06 |
| pupnik | toed: you there? | 19:06 |
| konttori | search for /Volumes/OSX/iTunes | 19:06 |
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| konttori | Add your sshmount to the list. | 19:07 |
| konttori | Save MediaCenter file. (oh, forgot to mention that the file is /usr/bin/MediaCenter) | 19:07 |
| konttori | (and you need to open it from xterm as root) (sudo gainroot . then leafpad /usr/bin/MediaCenter) | 19:08 |
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| lnx^ | heya | 19:13 |
| lnx^ | where can i find my nokia n800's serial number? | 19:14 |
| lnx^ | or does it even have one? | 19:16 |
| pupnik | on 770 it's in battery compartment i think - also somewhere in settings menu | 19:17 |
| pupnik | google should know | 19:17 |
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| lnx^ | i can only find the bt and wlan codes in those places and nothing on google :-/ | 19:18 |
| pupnik | Both the retail and development rom images require you to locate your serial number. | 19:19 |
| pupnik | http://m770cias.garage.maemo.org/images/flasher/MAC_address.png | 19:20 |
| pupnik | The serial number is also the Ethernet Media Access Control, MAC, address. Both the WAN MAC address and the BlueTooth address are located on the original box that the 770 came in or inside the battery compartment. | 19:20 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage | 19:20 |
| lnx^ | cheers! | 19:20 |
| pupnik | sorry i don't have a n800 specific link | 19:21 |
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| lnx^ | so my wlan address is my serial number? | 19:22 |
| Nermal | uhhh | 19:22 |
| lnx^ | or what is it in this pic: http://m770cias.garage.maemo.org/images/flasher/MAC_address.png | 19:23 |
| lnx^ | the 'Code'? | 19:23 |
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| lnx^ | or which of those might it be? sorry for the dumb questions, i just need it to send it to the police | 19:39 |
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| trevarthan | hey, does garage have a wiki? | 20:10 |
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| disq | ooh trev | 20:22 |
| disq | :P | 20:22 |
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| lnx^ | so what serial number should i report to my insurance company on my n800, just the wlan mac address..?? | 20:34 |
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| Blacksitox | brb | 20:47 |
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| trevarthan | kagu? | 20:58 |
| _Monkey | kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 20:58 |
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| trevarthan | kagu is also #kagu | 20:58 |
| _Monkey | okay, trevarthan. | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 20:58 |
| _Monkey | kagu is, like, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu or #kagu | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | yay! | 20:58 |
| trevarthan | come to our IRC channel! | 20:58 |
| disq | _Monkey: like? valspeak? :) | 20:58 |
| _Monkey | disq: huh? | 20:58 |
| disq | _Monkey: totally. | 20:59 |
| _Monkey | disq: excuse me? | 20:59 |
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| DiZEL | Hi. What codecs should I specify on Asterisk for Telepathy-SofiaSIP? | 21:05 |
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| pupnik | valgrind (ahem) | 21:21 |
| celesteh | hi all | 21:22 |
| pupnik | hi celesteh | 21:22 |
| pupnik | i'd like a 770 view onto my existing X desktop | 21:22 |
| celesteh | so, i enabled red pill mode and all was good and i was very happy with the beta browser | 21:22 |
| pupnik | not start a new X session on this computer | 21:22 |
| celesteh | and then, gaim hung and i rebooted | 21:22 |
| celesteh | and the screen says "nokia" and the progress bar progresses, but then the screen stops changing, even as it plays the nokia chime and eventually makes the sounds it should make while running (clicking when screen touched, etc) | 21:23 |
| celesteh | so must i reflash my n800, or is there some magic fix? | 21:23 |
| celesteh | (kids: let this be a lesson to you. always backup before going to red pill) | 21:24 |
| pupnik | i've never enabled red pill mode - it is unnecessary | 21:24 |
| celesteh | it's more fun, i think. the mozilla-based browser is way, way better | 21:25 |
| celesteh | also, i like ot fancy myself a hacker | 21:25 |
| pupnik | you don't need red pill to install that | 21:25 |
| celesteh | s/ot/to | 21:25 |
| pupnik | can you name anything that requires red pill mode? | 21:25 |
| celesteh | the list of things to install got much, much longer when i went red pill | 21:25 |
| celesteh | the application manager sudden listed some java stuff and this new browser, etc etc etc | 21:26 |
| pupnik | from application manager? | 21:26 |
| pupnik | ah | 21:26 |
| celesteh | i'm lazy. i like the application manager | 21:26 |
| pupnik | i didn't realize that - thanks | 21:26 |
| celesteh | of course, it's suboptimal that i seem to have broken something | 21:26 |
| DiZEL | Application manager removes deb-files after each operation. How to tell it not to remove the files? | 21:27 |
| celesteh | this all happened just as i was about to order pizza via the internets :( | 21:28 |
| celesteh | (well, actually, maybe sushi instead. is it a bad idea to get sushi delivered?) | 21:29 |
| pupnik | interesting, where did i get restore-dpkg-status.sh from... | 21:30 |
| pupnik | DiZEL: no idea - you can download them from xterm if you want | 21:31 |
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| toed | pupnik: I'm there now | 21:36 |
| celesteh | eh, so sushi aside, i have to reflash, don't i? | 21:36 |
| pupnik | did you see the instructions toed ? | 21:36 |
| pupnik | celesteh yes | 21:37 |
| toed | where? | 21:37 |
| celesteh | bummer. thanks pupnik | 21:37 |
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| pupnik | in this channel | 21:41 |
| toed | no I guess I missed it | 21:42 |
| pupnik | did you get my private message, toed? | 21:44 |
| toed | got it, thanks | 21:44 |
| toed | seems easy enough to do, I'll have a look later | 21:44 |
| pupnik | yw | 21:47 |
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| pupnik | vncviewer on 770 is such a *joy* | 22:04 |
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| CardinalFang | That new OS for the 770 makes it possible to install Skype, but it wigs out with "Binary corrupted (o)" 30 seconds into running. :\ | 22:14 |
| CardinalFang | Probably some machine-specific copy/crack protection, you think? | 22:14 |
| pupnik | skype isn't warez | 22:15 |
| CardinalFang | But it's proprietary and they go out of their way to hide how it works, silly. | 22:16 |
| celesteh | hahaha | 22:16 |
| pupnik | have you gotten it to work at all? | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | i'm curious about the echo/feedback cancellation | 22:17 |
| CardinalFang | (There's a rumor that some russians have it 90% reimplemented.) | 22:17 |
| pupnik | mm... well i'll bbl | 22:17 |
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| CardinalFang | pupnik, No, I haven't seen it working at all. It's supposed to be for the N800 only. I have a 770 + yesterday's new OS. | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | ping | 22:58 |
| disq | pong | 22:59 |
| pupnik | ty | 22:59 |
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| setite | hey guys | 23:39 |
| erstazi | hi setite | 23:39 |
| setite | im trying to find that project that lets me use my n800 as a keyboard for my pc | 23:40 |
| erstazi | anyone know of a good type of computer to computer within network calling besides Skype? | 23:40 |
| erstazi | it only allows 5 users at once | 23:40 |
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| erstazi | setite: X ssh tunneling? | 23:40 |
| erstazi | setite: or VNC viewer? | 23:40 |
| setite | no its a project | 23:40 |
| erstazi | heh | 23:40 |
| setite | thats just for making the n800 into a bt keyboard | 23:40 |
| erstazi | I am not sure, I never heard of that | 23:40 |
| setite | ive run into it liek 20 times and now i cant find it | 23:41 |
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| pupnik | setite: is it synergy? running the synergy server on the nokia? | 23:45 |
| setite | no | 23:45 |
| setite | some guy made it... its based on some on screen keyboard that he modded and using some bt module he uses the n800 as a keyboard | 23:45 |
| pupnik | what a pervert :) | 23:45 |
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