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__pv | any people using xkbd on n800? does pressing return on xkbd pop up the Maemo virtual keyboard for you? | 00:22 |
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[31d1] | yikes! lots of people | 00:39 |
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[31d1] | wondering if anyone knows of a package of diffutils for 770 | 00:44 |
[31d1] | i couldn't find one - and managed to compile some working binaries | 00:45 |
[31d1] | and i'll figure out how to make a .deb if it's really the case that no one has bothered to do it already | 00:45 |
[31d1] | but i have a hard time believing no one has needed diff yet | 00:46 |
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sully | Hey peeps. Dumb question no doubt, but has anyone tried YouTube Mobile on their 770/800? http://m.youtube.com/ | 01:53 |
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sully | It's a RealPlayer link so you'd think it'd work? | 01:53 |
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NeoStrider | whats up, folks? | 01:54 |
sully | hey NeoStrider | 01:54 |
_Monkey | NeoStrider is, like, probably building you a checkers game as we speak :) | 01:54 |
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[31d1] | m.youtube didnt work on my 770 | 01:55 |
NeoStrider | yes | 01:55 |
sully | hmm, mine either. too bad. | 01:55 |
NeoStrider | and even if it worked, would be too slow | 01:55 |
* NeoStrider just made AngsTRON a little faster | 01:57 | |
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lle2 | hey, those that demand a "better touchscreen", is it that you want a more sensitive or more accurate or both? How would you characterize "better"? | 09:33 |
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zuh | "multitouch" ;) | 09:37 |
tso | ye gods | 09:40 |
tso | why not we all just go and buy ourselfs "ipod touch"? | 09:41 |
tso | heh, itt seems to be buzzing with ipod talk... | 09:42 |
pupnik | is there an anti-shake filter for mencoder? google is just giving me a bunch of windows software - or any anti-shake software for *nix? | 09:45 |
* pupnik agrees with lle2 - 'better touchscreen' is too vague to even register | 09:46 | |
pupnik | mine works just fine, thank you | 09:46 |
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pupnik | so far the only thing i found was virtualdub for wine, which supposedly has a plugin for anti-shake | 09:58 |
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keesj | Goede morgen | 11:03 |
guru3 | Good morning | 11:05 |
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AD-N770 | good morning | 11:17 |
pupnik | morning AD-N770 | 11:23 |
keesj | funny thinking of if , the ipod "wheel" really looks like the old school phones that had the round number thing | 11:23 |
tso | ah, pulse based dialing... | 11:27 |
keesj | yes, my english is still not that good, and irc'ing does't rly help :p | 11:29 |
jani | ircing is really bad for written english in my case =) | 11:29 |
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pupnik | I'd like to see a comparison of standard written english test scores between European students (who take it as a second language) and americans | 11:32 |
inz | I wouldn't, I already concider yankees inferior ;) | 11:34 |
jani | they cant even spell colour =) | 11:36 |
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UniqueMobil | inferior | 11:45 |
UniqueMobil | an where are you from inz? | 11:45 |
UniqueMobil | pupnik the comparison would not work. 2 different type of english. | 11:45 |
UniqueMobil | inz, you were denied entry to the states or something? | 11:46 |
UniqueMobil | family member killed in a war the US was involved un | 11:46 |
UniqueMobil | ? | 11:46 |
pupnik | Actually the pisa study has a test of standard english (TSE) that has been adapted to both US and British english | 11:47 |
pupnik | A quick web search didn't turn up results though | 11:47 |
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pupnik | In reading proficiency (native language) Finland is #1. USA is slightly above european average. And germany is below average. :P | 11:51 |
pupnik | http://www.oecd.org/document/8/0,2340,en_2649_34515_2675400_1_1_1_1,00.html | 11:51 |
inz | Unique, see the ";)" at the end of the line | 11:55 |
inz | Unique, and the only time I went to US, I was granted entry | 11:55 |
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UniqueMobil | winky or no winky, still an insult to call a people inferior.. | 11:58 |
jani | germany has so many immigrants so i guess thats why they have lower score.. | 11:59 |
UniqueMobil | usually when comments like that are made. person has a grudge against america because of something. | 11:59 |
inz | Unique, I only dislike the president | 12:00 |
UniqueMobil | he is a yankee...no doubt about that.. | 12:01 |
UniqueMobil | inferior..???? | 12:01 |
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inz | Unique, bad choice of words, I'm sorry about that | 12:02 |
inz | Unique, didn't mean to insult anyone | 12:02 |
inz | Unique, I do not concider anyone to be inferior or superior | 12:03 |
UniqueMobil | im not american.. | 12:03 |
UniqueMobil | just a proud resident.. | 12:03 |
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Lynoure | Finnish is easy to read :) | 12:12 |
zeenix | Lynoure: yeah! right | 12:12 |
Lynoure | zeenix: On se. :) | 12:13 |
UniqueMobil | the president is from texas..way too much sun..i know its not the best excuse... but im sticking to it, inz | 12:13 |
zeenix | Lynoure: try pronouncing 'hyvää yötä' correctly | 12:13 |
Lynoure | zeenix: Mä olen syntyperäinen, oikeasti. | 12:14 |
Lynoure | zeenix: I'm a native, it's easy. | 12:14 |
Lynoure | zeenix: there is pretty much 1 to 1 mapping between spelling and pronouncing, unlike in English. | 12:15 |
pyhimys | ghoti anyone? | 12:16 |
Lynoure | pyhimys: some ghoti is really good, halibut especially. :) | 12:16 |
zeenix | Lynoure: oh! that is different than, easy for you to say | 12:16 |
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zeenix | Lynoure: what you mentioned is pretty much the only 'easy' thing about finnish | 12:17 |
Lynoure | zeenix: yes, I did mean it's objectively an easy native language to read (as the reading proficiency was tested with natives reading their own language) | 12:17 |
Lynoure | zeenix: well, the grammar is also very regular. | 12:18 |
UniqueMobil | Lynoure, what is ghoti? | 12:18 |
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pyhimys | UniqueMobil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti | 12:18 |
UniqueMobil | thanks | 12:19 |
Juhaz | and it _follows_ the grammar rules, there are no ten billion weird exceptions for no reason like in English. | 12:20 |
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UniqueMobil | the ten billion weird exceptions for no reason. | 12:24 |
Lynoure | zeenix: you can move here yourself, at some point, if you wish :) | 12:24 |
zeenix | Lynoure: i already have, 2 year ago :) | 12:24 |
Lynoure | zeenix: oh, misunderstood you then :) | 12:25 |
UniqueMobil | american englisg | 12:25 |
UniqueMobil | or | 12:25 |
UniqueMobil | british, old english | 12:25 |
Lynoure | hmmm, lunch is over, gotta go again | 12:26 |
zuh | Lynoure: zeenix is just sore since he has trouble learning finnish ;) | 12:27 |
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zeenix | zuh: kyllä | 13:16 |
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Lynoure | zuh: I have been thinking of making a Finnish teaching podcast, like 'Laura speaks Dutch' is for Dutch | 13:50 |
celesteh | heh, i listen to laura speaks dutch | 13:50 |
Lynoure | celesteh: I do too, my beloved husband is Dutch and I'm trying to learn :) | 13:51 |
celesteh | it's not helping me too much, but i'm not making an effort, really | 13:52 |
celesteh | although now i can manage restaurant interactions | 13:52 |
* celesteh wishes everybody would learn esperanto | 13:52 | |
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* keesj wishes everybody would learn dutch :p | 14:36 | |
keesj | why not just one language! | 14:36 |
lardman | surely everyone should learn the language that has the most users who are unable to learn anything else | 14:36 |
lardman | the Dutch have shot themselves in the foot - they are too good | 14:37 |
suihkulokki | keesj: yes, and that should be finnish, obviously | 14:37 |
lardman | so Enlgish it is ;) | 14:37 |
lardman | or even English | 14:37 |
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keesj | I also would go for a language what has one 5 letters or so | 14:38 |
keesj | so I can type with one hands or even my feet | 14:39 |
keesj | my feets are doing nothing all day long ! | 14:40 |
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pupnik | :) | 14:41 |
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wahlau | hi | 14:43 |
_Monkey | salut, wahlau | 14:43 |
wahlau | my first time here | 14:43 |
wahlau | :) | 14:43 |
wahlau | anyone plays with kinetic scroll here? | 14:44 |
wahlau | i just tried maro's script | 14:44 |
keesj | wahlau: there is a media player doing it kagu perhaps? | 14:45 |
wahlau | yeaj | 14:45 |
wahlau | i first saw it there | 14:45 |
wahlau | then now almost every media player using it | 14:46 |
wahlau | .) | 14:46 |
wahlau | just wanna share the experience | 14:46 |
wahlau | it is nice, but i don't feel it usable at this extend... | 14:46 |
wahlau | the scroll is kind of, urhm, sluggish | 14:46 |
wahlau | any idea why? | 14:46 |
keesj | it's trally better with a captive sensor | 14:46 |
wahlau | oic | 14:46 |
keesj | really | 14:47 |
wahlau | so it has something to do with the screen instead? | 14:47 |
keesj | the physics , and the way touch is detected. | 14:47 |
wahlau | that is what i have in mind | 14:48 |
wahlau | would it be possibel for me to study the values captured by the screen | 14:48 |
keesj | "some" devices can detect when you are "hovering" over the screen , you don't really have to touch it that hard | 14:48 |
wahlau | and translate that into motion | 14:48 |
wahlau | that might in return help the whole kinetic thing :) | 14:48 |
wahlau | but again, i am not really a fan of the kinetic thing | 14:48 |
keesj | it is adictive , you just start to play with it | 14:49 |
keesj | it's sexy | 14:49 |
wahlau | oic | 14:49 |
wahlau | :) | 14:49 |
wahlau | any python programmer here? | 14:49 |
wahlau | i am wonder is it possible to draw a layer on top of another? | 14:49 |
guardian | hmm, scratchbox was working for weeks (i did not reboot the computer) now after a reboot i get "Scratchbox is not properly set up!" error on /scratchbox/login | 14:49 |
guardian | any idea please ? | 14:50 |
keesj | I really like the raemo and other stuff I see comming | 14:50 |
suihkulokki | guardian: ..run the initscript | 14:50 |
keesj | guardian: and you started sbox ? | 14:51 |
wahlau | raemo? | 14:51 |
jani | guardian: you are not perhaps inside scratchbox allready ? =)) | 14:51 |
keesj | http://raemo.garage.maemo.org/ and http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ | 14:52 |
keesj | it really looks like python is the choice for the next generation maemo stuff | 14:53 |
guardian | i just rebooted | 14:55 |
guardian | tried /scratchbox/login to go on my dev ... | 14:55 |
guardian | crap ... | 14:55 |
guardian | back in time i installed it using the holly 3.1 script | 14:55 |
guardian | i'm not sure it eases the developer's life in the end :D | 14:56 |
guardian | it just worked smoothly before i rebooted :( | 15:00 |
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suihkulokki | 14:50 < suihkulokki> guardian: ..run the initscript | 15:01 |
keesj | the unofficial maemo ui guidelines http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfrtdqv5_7hp33bq&pli=1 | 15:01 |
keesj | horrible! | 15:01 |
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keesj | eivel dialogs with "cancel/ok" or worse , dialogs with only "ok" , | 15:03 |
keesj | :tap "OK" to update the facebook or close to close the application" | 15:04 |
keesj | is it a joke? | 15:04 |
guardian | suihkulokki: sorry i missed this line | 15:05 |
suihkulokki | anyways, everyone have a nice weekend | 15:07 |
wahlau | same to you too | 15:11 |
MoRpHeUz | guardian: yeah, try to /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core restart | 15:13 |
MoRpHeUz | it should help (helped me anyway) | 15:13 |
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guardian | i have no such script, but running /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh again helped | 15:15 |
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MoRpHeUz | guardian: hhmm...ok...for some reason there is something that screws up my scratchbox config at startup and I always need to run this "start script" when I boot my machine | 15:16 |
guardian | i never had problems when i installed scratchbox myself using apt. but i upgraded the box so i reinstalled everything and reinstalled scratchbox using the script provided by maemo.org | 15:17 |
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MoRpHeUz | kulve: hey! | 15:47 |
kulve | MoRpHeUz: hey | 15:49 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: have some good news for you regarding that gmyth stuff...probably it's not 100% yet due to some osso-media-engine bugs but as soon as osso release a fix for that we will have it fully working for the device... | 15:50 |
MoRpHeUz | kulve: I'm going to make a post on my blog in the next hour....just take a look at that ok ? =) I wanted you to be the first one to know as you helped me so much with tests =) | 15:50 |
kulve | "so much".. ;) | 15:52 |
kulve | MoRpHeUz: I can read it, but I might be off to home soon and then I'm off to afk, so I might not be able to read it :/ | 15:53 |
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MoRpHeUz | kulve: hhmm..that's ok...so read when you can =) | 15:53 |
kulve | I will :) | 15:55 |
MoRpHeUz | great! =) | 15:55 |
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develneubee | hello all, does the n800 use the bluetooth's Sim Access Profile to sync all the contacts from a phone ? | 16:01 |
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kern | hi, anybody alive here ? | 16:08 |
kern | need some help with maemo theme | 16:08 |
* celesteh is deceased | 16:08 | |
kern | just installed hildon-theme-plankton and dependencies, but application still complains about some missing icons: qgn_plat_home_border_left.png, qgn_plat_home_search_bg_alpha.png, etc... | 16:08 |
kern | where can I get these icons ? | 16:09 |
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qgil | hi, fast poll: many Hacker Edition users around? | 16:17 |
qgil | I see, bad timing | 16:21 |
c0ffee | not me | 16:21 |
c0ffee | i'm using the old software on my 770 | 16:21 |
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qgil | hi c0ffee | 16:21 |
c0ffee | hi qgil | 16:21 |
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qgil | well, I just wanted to announce here the new HE edition available for download, a scoop for some seconds :) | 16:23 |
c0ffee | hurray | 16:24 |
alp | qgil: hey, if you're going to syndicate my blog could you make sure that posts don't get attributed to "Unknown author"? thanks | 16:24 |
qgil | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1189171468.html | 16:30 |
qgil | alp, I asked you to send me your maemo.org userid precisely to avoid this | 16:30 |
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alp | qgil: don't think i have one | 16:31 |
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qgil | alp: then create one :) | 16:31 |
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qgil | that's all folks! see you later | 16:33 |
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alp | how about, no? | 16:34 |
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keesj | great news | 16:36 |
keesj | no flash at all? Adobe Flash browser plugin | 16:36 |
cosmo | well, youtube wouldn't work anyway | 16:37 |
cosmo | and all other flash is just useless ads etc | 16:37 |
inz | And flash sucks anyway | 16:37 |
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keesj | not a youporn.com use then? | 16:38 |
keesj | user | 16:38 |
cosmo | does it work on 770? | 16:38 |
keesj | no , no really | 16:38 |
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GS | someone has installed kismet on os2007he? | 17:55 |
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pupnik_ | GS someone surely has. What is your question? | 18:52 |
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saaib | morninig everyone | 18:59 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 19:20 |
celesteh | yo | 19:20 |
MoRpHeUz | hi | 19:24 |
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Sho_ | cool, the input method was finally released ... maybe we're finally going to get some working non-GTK+ toolkits for it | 20:59 |
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Jaffa | Sho_: or some better input methods, more likely. | 21:19 |
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ffoegboy | can anyone recomend a flexible keyboaed that works with n800? | 21:55 |
sx|lappy | describe "flexible" | 21:55 |
ffoegboy | rollup | 21:56 |
sx|lappy | haven't seen any such bt kb yet | 21:57 |
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ffoegboy | i have seen some bluetooth ones on net, would any bluetooyh kd work? | 21:58 |
Pio | http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102156154&c= | 21:59 |
milhouse | ffoegboy - must support HID Profile | 22:00 |
Pio | i dont know that the one i linked does | 22:00 |
ffoegboy | what is HID profile? | 22:00 |
celesteh | HID is a standard for how interface deviced talk to computers | 22:01 |
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ffoegboy | ok thanks | 22:01 |
milhouse | Keyboard typically use either HID or SPP (Serial Port Profile) to connect over Bluetooth... SPP is the older way of doing things, and not supported natively by the N800 | 22:02 |
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milhouse | s/Keyboard/Keyboards/ | 22:02 |
infobot | milhouse meant: Keyboards typically use either HID or SPP (Serial Port Profile) to connect over Bluetooth... SPP is the older way of doing things, and not supported natively by the N800 | 22:02 |
ffoegboy | Pio: yhat is what i want, do you know if its HID compat. | 22:04 |
Pio | <Pio> i dont know that the one i linked does | 22:04 |
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ffoegboy | ok i will check it out, thanks | 22:06 |
||cw | given that they feature a treo, I'd bet it's spp | 22:09 |
ffoegboy | if i found one that was windows ce compatable, would that be HID or SPP? | 22:10 |
milhouse | oh yes, that roll up keyboard is SPP | 22:11 |
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milhouse | Spec shee: http://www.eleksen.com/assets/PDFs/brochuresJUNE07/brc_ultra_portable_Bluetooth_keyboard.pdf | 22:12 |
milhouse | s/shee/sheet/ | 22:12 |
infobot | milhouse meant: Spec sheet: http://www.eleksen.com/assets/PDFs/brochuresJUNE07/brc_ultra_portable_Bluetooth_keyboard.pdf | 22:12 |
milhouse | There is a hack to add SPP Keyboard support, used to work in OS 2006 dunno about OS 2007 | 22:13 |
keesj | spp? | 22:14 |
milhouse | here: http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/ | 22:14 |
milhouse | Also here: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#kbdd | 22:15 |
milhouse | Looks like the latter has OS 2007 support | 22:15 |
keesj | in 2007 support for bluetooth keyboard that implement the hid standards are part of the maemo platform | 22:16 |
milhouse | yes, but not keyboards using SPP | 22:17 |
keesj | for the "serial" one you need kbdd indeed with the kernel uinput module yes | 22:17 |
keesj | what keyboard did you get? | 22:17 |
milhouse | ffoegboy is asking about this kb which only supports SPP: http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102156154&c= | 22:19 |
milhouse | he wants a "flexible" keyboard | 22:19 |
ffoegboy | milhouse: is there a rollup kb that supports hid profile? | 22:19 |
keesj | sexy | 22:20 |
straind` | Has anyone gotten anything set up using SPP? | 22:20 |
milhouse | there is the Stowaway Sierra - not roll up, but it does fold in half into a little case... http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144069 | 22:20 |
milhouse | the only roll up kb i could find was the eleksen - same one you found. | 22:21 |
milhouse | but i didn't look long... | 22:21 |
straind` | I have a barcode scanner that uses SPP and I'd like to figure out how to connect it. | 22:21 |
milhouse | i've got the sierra - don't use it though | 22:21 |
milhouse | a bt keyboard is more hassle than it's worth unless you intend to do some heavy duty typing | 22:21 |
ffoegboy | milhouse: how do you input into n800? | 22:21 |
milhouse | virtual kb | 22:22 |
keesj | I used on for a very short time and gave up | 22:22 |
keesj | it was a serial one | 22:22 |
milhouse | the Sierra is HID, worked straight away - still too much hassle. :) | 22:22 |
ffoegboy | milhouse: isnt that slow? i have just purchased a n800 but havrnt got it yet | 22:22 |
milhouse | is what slow? the virtual kb? yes, it's slower than typing with a keyboard but it has the advantage of me not having to carry a keyboard or balance it on my lap or get up and get it or... | 22:23 |
keesj | I love to program and I have yet to find the correct language to program while not sitting behind a desk | 22:23 |
milhouse | since i don't tend to type novels into my n800, it's not a problem using the virtual kb | 22:23 |
ffoegboy | milhouse: maybe i should try it for a couple of weeks before looking for a kb | 22:25 |
milhouse | i suggest you do, you could save yourself some money | 22:25 |
keesj | ffoegboy: the fun thing with the thumb keyboard is that you can type standing | 22:25 |
ffoegboy | milhouse: are you on the n800 now? | 22:25 |
milhouse | no | 22:25 |
milhouse | no way would i bother using irc on a n800... | 22:25 |
ffoegboy | keesj: thumb kb? | 22:25 |
keesj | or sitting in the tram, but it the keyboard is detached from the device (n800 in this case) you reall need a table , I can't even really use the keyboard in bed and I have spend enough money on a good bt keyboard | 22:26 |
ffoegboy | keesj: do you mean the virtuak kb? | 22:27 |
keesj | ffoegboy the on screen / full screen keyboard that pop's up | 22:27 |
ffoegboy | keesj: ok | 22:27 |
ffoegboy | i only speek english and have ordered the n800 from germany, will the operating system be in english or german? | 22:28 |
keesj | you can choose at startup | 22:29 |
milhouse | you might get a german keyboard... | 22:29 |
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ffoegboy | milhouse: i wonder if that can be changed since its virtual | 22:30 |
milhouse | sorry i thought you were referring to your BT keyboard | 22:30 |
ffoegboy | milhouse: no. i havent got a bt kb yet | 22:30 |
milhouse | there is only one OS version for the N800 - you select the language on first boot | 22:31 |
ffoegboy | milhouse: can it be changed after the first boot if you want? | 22:31 |
milhouse | yes | 22:31 |
milhouse | change the language/local in the control panel | 22:31 |
_Monkey | milhouse: that doesn't look right | 22:31 |
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ffoegboy | milhouse: cool | 22:32 |
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straind` | Hmmm. Suicidal _Monkey. | 22:33 |
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milhouse | too right... no idea what's going on there | 22:33 |
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straind` | maemo? | 22:33 |
_Monkey | maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software | 22:33 |
straind` | Maybe he'll stick around now... | 22:33 |
milhouse | maybe... | 22:34 |
milhouse | must have been an irc thing... we're both on the same connection here. | 22:34 |
straind` | Make him feel useful. :P | 22:34 |
milhouse | irc == freenode | 22:34 |
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ffoegboy | i am going to get an 8gb sdhc card, is there any difference in the different brands? | 22:38 |
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ffoegboy | milhouse: are you still there? | 22:54 |
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human | hmm | 23:08 |
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tru_ | who got Qt4 up and running on the n800? | 23:24 |
sx|lappy | heretic ;D | 23:27 |
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keesj | funny garage is also used for "non-free" stuff | 23:45 |
keesj | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/videocenter/ | 23:45 |
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