IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2007-09-06

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tsohmm, it looks as if the N800 just got one-upped...00:07
celestehsoon the n800 will also have a tool to let you know which tune just got played over the walmart loudspeakers00:08
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revmy neuros had that, never tried it00:11
tsoFatal: iphone without the phone part. also known as ipod touch00:12
Paavointeresting times. no way the n800 will compete in the mass market against ipod touch 16 gb at the same price.00:12
tsohell, you dont even need itunes to buy music any more with it. just a wifi connection...00:13
roope... and an itunes account. ;)00:18
revwell, who needs that?00:19
roopeyeah, anyway. the iphone is very nice, i'm sure that will also be.00:19
revi mean00:19
tsoand im sure the device can fix, if apples anything close to smart00:19
revsomeone will open it and you'll be able to FTP your mp3s from your machine :)00:19
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roopewell. i'm not too sure about that.00:20
Paavoi wonder if apple will add email support in a firmware update?00:20
roopeyou need to build the database for the music files also.00:20
roopeit's not like it just looks into a folder and does it runtime.00:20
roopealbum art etc., itunes provides it all for the deviec.00:20
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kriebzmaybe Nokia will wake up and build a successor to the N80000:45
kriebzor not00:46
kriebzPalm bailed on their Linux mini-laptop00:46
revhaha, i saw that00:47
revtoo big for me persoally00:47
revi'd love another Jornada 720 or sigmarion 3 like device00:47
revbasically, something with a 5 or maybe 6" screen with a keyboard00:47
revbut unlike the J720 or Sig 3, have a convertible screen ala the zaurus, so it could be used as a tablet too00:47
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revmake the n800 a convertible with a real J720-quality keyboard and i'd be on in a second00:48
tsosad really, as the foleo could in theory show what a arm based laptop could be capable off...00:48
revthe foleo, for me, is big enough that i'd just take my OLPC or macbook pro00:48
lardmanI agree, a keyboad would make the device far more usable in my view00:48
revwhereas the J720 or sig3 i could fit in my pocket00:48
tsobut really surprised me today is the ati news00:48
revmind you, i have big pockets, the legacy of carrying around a Newton; for me, a newton sized (screensize) device is perfect, though physically smaller, and there's no reason that couldn't be the case00:49
revtso: what happened?00:49
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kriebzthe newton was only a bit bigger than the N800, wasn't it?00:50
tsothey said they will release specs for the more recent chips soon, including a skeleton driver. and hopefully a working 2d driver later on00:50
lardmanquite a bit bigger00:50
tsokriebz: i had the impression that it was more like a umpc...00:50
kriebzthe newton was like a giant palm00:50
kriebzthere was a model that had a keybaord00:50
kriebzsame OS00:50
kriebzbut not the same thing00:51
kriebzbut I've never held a newton, so I wasn't sure00:51
zapHello! Sorry for intervention, but is it possible to run Maemo on Zaurus 3200?00:51
lardman~lart tremor for its multiple layers of indirection00:51
* infobot DoSes tremor for its multiple layers of indirection00:51
lardmanzap: I think koen added the OS maemo bits a while back, so in theory yes, but I'm not sure if it's up to date00:52
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zaphmm I see only maemo-mapper in the feeds00:52
lardmanaargh, I thought it was all going a bit too smoothly, vorbis_info structs are rather large and complex00:53
zapMaemo depends on the underlying kernel somehow? Or it will work on openembedded kernel fine?00:53
lardmanzap: You probably need to set your machine and alter the distro, though it may require alterations to the conf files. Not sure, probably a better question for Angstrom00:54
lardmanshould be fine on whatever kernel00:54
RantyDaveHey, anyone know if I can get an N800 to use a web proxy?00:54
RantyDaveI'm currently using the MicroB browser....00:54
zapthere are problems like battery, backlight and other not-quite-standard things00:54
lardmanin the connection settings perhaps?00:55
lardmanzap: yes, probably, though these should be easy enough to fiddle around00:55
RantyDaveAh, connection settings .... didn00:56
RantyDavedidn't think to look there :)00:56
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RantyDaveThere are some web browser specific settings and I thought it might be there ... or maybe not.00:57
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timelessyou can try to use about:config00:58
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timelessbut we're required by spec to honor the connectivity proxy settings00:58
timelessso you'd have to disable something and pray00:58
timelessoh, and if your proxy settings don't work, and you aren't using English, you'll get a very unhappy error message00:58
timelessso don't misconfigure your proxy :)00:59
lardmanAny vorbis/Tremor experts awake at this time of the evening?01:01
RantyDaveAh! *the* timeless! Good work on the browser, guys.01:01
RantyDaveGo to go. Work calls.01:02
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tsohmm, i see that after installing microb on my 770 it also has a entry of webcore. is that the same as webkit, or something else?01:23
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tsobah, forget it. im going to bed01:25
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timelessthat it is :(06:14
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* pupnik frolics07:13
pupnikRon Paul won the Republican Presidential debate - Fox Text Message Results Poll "driving Hannity crrazy"  :)07:13
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milhousePavarotti dead - poor bugger.08:14
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saaibhi everyone08:26
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saaibI finally sent my 770 to the repair center :S08:28
saaibafter only 3 weeks of use08:28
milhousethat sucks :(08:28
saaibthat's weird...and I noticed it happened after I shutdown the tablet08:28
milhouseyep, usually the case08:29
milhousethat it happens after a shutdown08:29
saaibI put the cover on the 770 and then my wife wanted to show something to a family member, when I turn the device, ugly lines!08:29
saaibnobody has figured out what exactly they do to fix them?08:30
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saaibdo they actually replace the screen or they might hack something in the OS?08:31
_Monkeyhmmm... screen is bigger, so it's much more natural08:31
milhouseforget screen08:31
_Monkeymilhouse: I forgot screen08:31
milhousescreen is <reply>08:31
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saaibhow long it takes once they receive the device to have it fixed? (average)08:33
milhousedunno, my n800 took 5 weeks to fix the sensitivity problem (UK).08:33
milhouseit varies by region... some people have gone months08:33
milhousebut that was a while back during a period when Nokia had just closed a major repair center in the US and moved it to Mexico... should be better now08:34
saaibmhh.. I had to send mine from CA to AL08:35
milhousei think there's an SLA of about 30 days08:36
saaibwhat's SLA?08:36
milhouseservice level agreement08:36
milhousebascially a commitment to you to complete the job within that timeframe, after which it should be escalated08:37
saaiblet me check the printout...08:38
saaibWill it says "Turnaround time for in-warranty repairs is approximately 7-10 business days"08:39
saaib2 weeks is not bad, but they don't say anything about what I'm entitled if they exceed that timeframe08:40
milhouseyou should check the itt forum for other users experiences08:40
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pupnikI have to say *thank you* to the community and the people who helped me learn how to use and port for this device.08:50
pupnikand the people at nokia who helped me too08:51
milhouseno, thank you :)08:51
saaibpupnik, thanks for the good comments/suggestions thrown into this channel08:51
pupnikYou're welcome.  It's been a lot of fun.08:52
pupnikAnd there's so much to do.08:53
pupnikIt's like a feast of opportunities to do cool things.08:53
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pupnikOn the PC there's always someone else, somewhere, who is already doing it.08:54
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saaibpupnik, hehe, I wanted to get really deep into developing in 770 until the freaking unit broke08:58
gregoroviushi, I was wondering if anyone uses a nokia tablet with a keyboard to take notes in college?08:58
saaibI already had my development enviroment setup script and some ideas (based on some proposals I made on the openmoko mailing list)08:58
saaibnow I need to wait :S08:58
gregoroviusand cares to comment on their experience :)08:59
saaibgregorovius, my brother-in-law wanted to have one 770 with a laser keyboard... but I'll have to wait 'till I get back my 770 from repair :P09:00
saaib(I was going to test it and made the setup for him.. he'll buy the keyboard09:00
saaibI think the damn thing goes around $140?09:01
gregoroviusyep, that's why i'm looking at it :)09:01
saaibwhich is about the current price of the 77009:01
gregoroviusI'm looking for a subnotebook or something alike under $300 or so, and it seemed like a good choice09:02
gregoroviusbut i'm not sure if the screen would be too small, or the keyboard/tablet combo too akward09:02
gregoroviusand battery time, as well09:03
saaibIf you'll be taking notes in classroom I bet will be easier if you have the nokia connected to the power outlet and using the bluetooth laser keyboard09:04
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gregoroviusI was thinking in using a clicky keyboard, and a power outlet isn't always near09:05
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gregoroviushow long does the battery last when only playing music?09:08
saaibgregorovius, something like ?09:08
gregoroviusthat's right, saaib09:09
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saaibgregorovius, hope you find something nice09:14
saaibbut for now, time for bed... good night everyone09:14
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MoRpHeUzok, now we must have a good web-browser...because ipod touch is just a lot better regarding web-browsing experience....09:30
* timelyx looks for someone w/ microb and some spare time09:39
* timelyx blacklists MoRpHeUz09:39
timelyxin order to do what the iPhone does, you need a decent touch screen09:40
timelyxmaemo devices don't have such a thing09:40
timelyxyou also need forward thinking UI designers and no legacy requirements09:40
timelyxand you certainly need flexibility09:40
timelyxwe don't really have those things09:40
* pupnik is back -- i have microb on 770 and time timelyx 09:46
timelyxpupnik: ok, load about:config09:47
MoRpHeUztimelyx: yes! agreed! our main problems (on my point of view) are: touch screen, processor and gtk =P09:48
lle2timelyx: sure we don't have a great touchscreen, but it's not really preventing anybody from creating a usable UI, sure you can't do two-finger zooming effects etc, but it's not /that/ bad09:48
MoRpHeUztimelyx: it's not developer's fault...I mean, the platform itself doesnt give sufficient power to developers do what they want to do.09:48
MoRpHeUztimelyx: imagine microb with 600 mhz...09:48
timelyxMoRpHeUz: actually, it wouldn't matter09:48
timelyxwe could do most of what the iphone does in terms of features09:49
pupniktimelyx: for some reason it's crashing - can i start the browser from xterm?  (hadn't crashed on me before)09:49
timelyxit's more a matter of engineering time than cycle time09:49
timelyxpupnik /usr/bin/browser09:49
MoRpHeUztimelyx: what do you mean with engineering time ?09:49
timelyxMoRpHeUz: we have a small team, they have tasks they need to do09:49
pupniksegfault :(09:49
timelyxthere's no time to implement09:49
timelyxpupnik: do you have /media/mmc1/core-dumps?09:49
MoRpHeUztimelyx: ok...this is an issue also...09:50
pupniktimelyx: no - should i create that dir/09:50
MoRpHeUztimelyx: but that's why "community" is out there hehe...09:50
pupnikit comes up with the browser window and i can see text entry field and icons09:50
lle2timelyx: I have to say the priorities are totally fucked if the engineers don't have time to do what should be done...09:50
MoRpHeUzk-s proved that iphone keyboard is a piece of cake with evas...09:50
timelyxlle2: welcome to nokia09:51
pupnikok got a core dump09:51
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timelyxi'm done w/ my work for the release, i finished ~2hrs ago09:51
timelyxand now it's time for me to take a vacation09:51
timelyxor at least pack for one09:51
* MoRpHeUz claims for a better touch screen and cpu power...09:51
lle2timelyx: I call bullshit, there's no reason why we (osso) need to repeat every one of the mistakes the previous four platform organizations have done09:51
timelyxpupnik: in theory you can apt-get install -dbg packages for microb09:51
MoRpHeUzthe other stuff we can do...09:52
timelyxlle2: organizational structure seems to demand it09:52
timelyxlle2: note: nothing i say here means i endorse these practices09:52
pupnikok well i guess i can't be the quick tester - gonna reboot to see if it solves it09:52
lle2timelyx: does not, I suggest that we go on strike to fix it09:52
MoRpHeUzwe need to organize better ourselves... apple probably also has organization issues..09:52
janii think organization issues are more rule than exception =)09:53
lle2timelyx: I know, it's just that the only thing I hear when talking to engineers is how /nothing/ can be done any other way than it's currently being screwed up09:53
MoRpHeUzjani: agreed.....I've worked for ibm before and it was even worse....09:53
timelyxlle2: we're currently doing end runs around ui specifications by adding easter eggs into core :)09:54
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pupnikreboot fixed segfault09:54
lle2timelyx: uhh :)09:55
MoRpHeUztimelyx: microb is almost perfect for me....just need more cpu power to make it faster and a better input (touchscreen + another vkbd)09:55
timelyxok, that's a known bug09:55
timelyxMoRpHeUz: yes, i really want to fire the current vkb, it causes all sorts of problems for us09:55
pupnikok about:config gives "illegal address // opera:config"09:55
timelyxpupnik: um, switch engines: )09:55
MoRpHeUztimelyx: yeah...we need to thing something better than that for canola also09:55
MoRpHeUzs/canola/new version of canola/09:56
infobotMoRpHeUz meant: timelyx: yeah...we need to thing something better than that for new version of canola also09:56
timelyxs/new/the next/09:56
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MoRpHeUztimelyx: btw, am I out of your blacklist ? lol =P09:56
timelyxsorry, i take demands on the browser personally09:57
MoRpHeUzhaha =D09:59
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lardmanderf: ping10:01
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lle2timelyx: but yeah, it's unbelievable that during the last 3-4 months that nokia has been evaluating/testing/developing sb2, they've yet to produce a single patch10:05
lle2some valuable feedback and error reports, but that's it10:06
timelyxlle2: i sent you patches :)10:06
timelyx(don't count me as nokia)10:06
lle2you don't count as nokia10:07
timelyxglad we agree :)10:07
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pupnik  i can't browse down this10:09
pupnikmicrob-browser - MicroB engine for OSSO browser10:09
pupnikNokia770-49:~# apt-cache policy microb-browser10:09
pupnikInstalled: 0.0.8-310:09
pupnikaah there's an update10:09
pupnik/bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found10:10
pupnikdpkg: cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': Input/output error10:10
inzIs your fs b0rken?10:10
pupnikmust be10:10
pupnikls -l /var/lib/dpkg/ shows now updates10:10
infobotpupnik meant: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/ shows no updates10:11
pupnikls: /var/lib/dpkg/updates: Input/output error10:11
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lle2sounds healthy10:11
timelyxapt-get new device10:11
* pupnik ponders10:12
lle2apple-get new ipod10:12
pupnikwell it's mmc - i'll reboot and copy a known good file system to the partition10:12
timelyxlle2: sounds better, probably works, definitely cheaper10:15
timelyxpupnik: you probably want to use 2g or smaller mmcs10:16
timelyx1g recommended10:16
pupniknever had filesystem errors til now (just dropped the 770 again on the floor btw)10:16
* timelyx wanders to work10:17
* lardman is watching the iPod touch video (they don't make it easy to play on WinXP!)10:19
lardmanit's rather a slick way to get people to buy music10:20
lardmanCool, free starbucks wifi access and it automatically lines up the song playing in the store so you can download it (and pay)10:21
lardmanvery slick10:21
lardmanThe cool for me was the free wifi10:22
suihkulokkizune feels so pathetic after ipod touch :P10:24
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MoRpHeUzipod touch wil be n800 competitor for web browsing and media playback...10:29
MoRpHeUzmaybe nokia improves next devices touch screen ?10:29
lle2no chance10:29
lardmanadd a keyboard!10:29
gla55_does touch have bt?10:29
lle2the funny thing is that it's not what should be added to n800, it's what should be a) removed b) made to work10:32
lardmanwhat's large resolution video playback like with mplayer these days?10:33
lardmanI wonder what processor the ipod uses10:33
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lle2I'm pretty sure it's the same as iphone10:33
lle2which would make it a samsung arm11 at 620MHz or so10:34
lardmanah, it's the one with powervr & hw accelerators for video, etc.?10:35
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lardmanbit like our omap? ;)10:35
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lle2not sure about those, but yeah. although apple has only support for a couple of video formats and has made sure those actually work10:35
lle2they rely on the service or itunes to feed appropriate content, pretty smart move to avoid abysmal user experience. either it works or it's not supported. not this almost kinda fucked up support for everything10:36
lardmanit does all fit together very nicely, not what I want, but certainly a nice end-user experience for those who just want music10:37
lle2or video from itunes10:37
suihkulokkivery very very good end user experience10:38
lardmanthe gimmicky download-the-music-playing-in-Starbucks thing is also an interesting idea (and may be useful)10:38
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JaffaMorning, all10:53
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JaffaPresumably the iPod Touch is running the same OS as the iPhone, so UNIX-like under the covers and the iPhone hacks (1m sold already!) will work. BT would be a killer feature for headphones/keyboards/phones tho11:06
gla55_yeah.. phone connectivity would be killer..   but.. perhaps left out intentionally to improve iphone sales11:07
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JaffaPerhaps. Either way, it's a direct competitor to the N800 (I think the iPhone is, but I know others strongly disagree) - remember the "N" stands for "multimedia". Which is ironic, due to the crapness of the built-in apps ;-)11:09
pupnikBuilt-in multimedia apps have to contend with patent-issues do they not?11:10
pupnikWhat else would stand in the way of nokia using ssvb's mplayer?11:10
* pupnik is not informed about such issues11:11
JaffaNIH-syndrome, it's viewed as not-finished, commitment to gstreamer, ... - take your pick.11:11
JaffaNokia have a big patent arsenal of their own, and I'm mostly talking UI anyway. As lle2 said - Apple improve the user experience by providing an end-to-end working solution11:11
JaffaNokia say "DivX" which is technically correct, but most people seem to expect to be able to play random 640x368 downloaded videos without problem when they hear that.11:12
pupnikYeah, and apple thows their whole weight behind their OS, while Nokia has competing platforms11:12
pupnikheh yes11:12
suihkulokkiJaffa: you'll notice none of the pmp players in market (including apples solution) supports any significant amount of codecs11:12
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suihkulokkisupporting all the codecs used for warezing is a dead-end route, you'll never be able to support all of them, and you'll get sued11:13
MoRpHeUzlle2: you are right about iphone/ipod touch' s processor11:13
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pupnikI'm amazed that some of the very closed media players have any significant market success.  But i am not joe sixpack.11:15
MoRpHeUzlle2: are you from osso ?11:15
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suihkulokkiJaffa: so the only sensible solution is to support one (1) codec with one (1) resolution (the screen's native one) and plug in a webshop that sells exactly those11:15
MoRpHeUzif the n800 had a better touchscreen + more power processor we could solve software issues (bad UI and so on)...11:16
MoRpHeUzthe problem is that developers need more power from the platform...if nokia doesnt give this for us, it'll be really difficult to be cooler than ipod touch for example...11:18
MoRpHeUzfor multimedia stuff we need good hardware..11:18
MoRpHeUzour screensize is just great....11:18
pupnikthe N800 is 'good'11:18
MoRpHeUzwe need that with a better touchscreen....11:18
MoRpHeUzpupnik: exactly...11:18
keesjalso we need IR , power usb-host, buttons on the right , working openvr , 3d display's 4d speakers, lazer keyboards, multi touch screen , webcam based controlling, hartbeat monitors, gps and gprs functionality11:19
MoRpHeUzpupnik: n800's hardware is nothing more than "good"11:19
pupnikactually the N800 is the best11:19
MoRpHeUzkeesj: not that much hehe11:19
keesjthe screen is just great11:19
pupnikbest performance/power too11:20
suihkulokkikeesj: you forgot coffee brewer and kitchen sink11:20
Fatalthat's the most idiotic argument ever11:20
MoRpHeUzpupnik: if you consider the whole platform...but the hardware is not that good...imagine n800 with a 600 mhz processor ?11:20
Jaffasuihkulokki: indeed - and/or provide a nice client environment for downloading/finding/transcoding/syncing ones. Imagine Democracy (or whatever it's called now) + iTunes + YouTube + RSS + BitTorrent + transcoding + N800. Yum.11:20
keesjlong battery live, blood or solar powered11:20
Fatalthrow more processing power at it.. *rolleyes*11:20
pupnikMoRpHeUz: i don't think you know what hardware was available 1.5-2 years ago.11:20
MoRpHeUzpupnik: when do you think that apple started building their hardware ?11:21
pupnikName a better SOC than the 2420 then11:21
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suihkulokkicpu power is the solution for lazy programmers11:21
MoRpHeUzok, so let's forget cpu power....11:22
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MoRpHeUzlet's talk about the bandwidth that makes that horrible "tilt" effect....11:22
MoRpHeUzwhy did they put that bus ?11:22
MoRpHeUzand not one with a bigger bandwidth ?11:22
suihkulokkibecause it's not designed for 800x480 displays with video playback11:22
pupniksuihkulokki: cpu power is very relevant to a few applications.  Unconverted movies, flashy UIs, ajax style websites.11:23
keesjsoc/screen bandwidth bandwith right?11:23
pupnikSoC = System on a Chip11:23
MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: you give the user a 800x480 screen but do not want him to play his movies using this resolution ?11:23
pupnikMoRpHeUz: Nokia chose the right CPU (SoC)11:24
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MoRpHeUzI mean, n800 is a good hardware device...but it needs some improvements to become a great one11:24
pupnikAnd i'm confident Nokia will choose the right SoC for the N800 successor.11:24
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MoRpHeUzpupnik: I'm not that confident hehe....11:25
MoRpHeUzpupnik: but let's pray for it ! =D11:25
pupnikMoRpHeUz: again, take a look at the SoC's that were available during 770 and N800 development and let us know if you find any with the same power drain and double the performance.11:26
pupnikBecause you're talking as if they made some terrible design decision in the hardware11:27
MoRpHeUzpupnik: maybe they just take too much time to release the hardware ?11:27
suihkulokkiI think you guys are missing the picture from average users point of view11:27
gla55_they could use the hw better though, powervr / h264 decoding11:27
suihkulokkiwhat you want is a general purpose linux pc11:27
suihkulokkiwhat they want is a easy to use web browser11:28
MoRpHeUzpupnik: I mean, at the time they designed the hardware it was the best possible solution, but it took so many time to release the hardware that it was not that good at release time...11:28
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MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: that's the point..11:28
MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: our device does not have a good web-browsing experience...11:29
gla55_it's pretty good11:29
suihkulokkiMoRpHeUz: because they have added too many features that make it complicated11:29
MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: or because the touchscreen is not that responsive, the vkbd is not that good...11:29
suihkulokkiand this ircing community is only suggesting to add more features11:29
MoRpHeUzgla55_: have you ever tried iphone's one ? =)11:29
* Jaffa was looking for a new gadget bag in bed last night, and gave up using his N800 because it just wasn't good enough at opening one page in the background whilst reading another. And then copy & paste stopped working... <sigh />11:30
suihkulokkiwhen 90% of the current features should be cut out, and the remaining 10% implemented well11:30
JaffaGave up and used my wife's laptop for a much more enjoyable experience :-( Was very depressing11:30
MoRpHeUzJaffa: that's the point...and did you see how amazing easy is to web browse with iphone ?11:30
suihkulokkiso everyone and is sister is whining wabout flash pluging11:30
gla55_MoRpHeUz: in some ways it's better web experience than iphone11:30
MoRpHeUzpupnik: but anyway, I was just trying to figure out what we can make better =)11:31
suihkulokkiwhen iphone doesn't come with one11:31
suihkulokki-> remove flashplayer and add a hardcoded youtube player11:31
MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: maybe a good solution...11:31
MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: as the current flashplayer doesnt play well youtube videos...(looses some frames)11:31
gla55_the mediaplayer plays 3gp, no?   use youtube mobile?11:31
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MoRpHeUzit's better to have simple things working than advanced ones that does not work so well11:32
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MoRpHeUzanyway, I'm just wondering what we can do to make our platform the best one =)11:34
JaffaMoRpHeUz : indeed11:34
pupnikSupport new users, advocate the tablet, help with wiki and bugzilla11:35
MoRpHeUzpupnik: give opinions about hardware, release good software...11:35
MoRpHeUzall of it =)11:35
suihkulokkiMoRpHeUz: personally I think the biggest thing community could do is put some better finishing touch to 3rd party apps11:36
suihkulokkimore hildonized ui, less crasy apps, put the apps in maemo extras instead of those damnded random repos11:37
MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: yeah, as a community member I agree...and as an INdT worker I need to know the device's/platform's flaws...11:37
pupnikexactly what i need to be doing right now11:37
pupnikOr when i get back... - ttyl11:38
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Jaffasuihkulokki: I think you just have to look at the iPhone to see how well polished third party apps are, if the ones on the platform itself are polished.11:38
MoRpHeUzJaffa: for sure we need to take some lessons with this iphone of them is: simplicity is much better than lot of "almost-working" features =)11:39
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MoRpHeUzbtw, anybody from Oulu here ?11:42
MoRpHeUzMikho: I'm working here in Oulu these days =) good city11:44
MikhoI like it here too11:44
suihkulokkiMoRpHeUz: well I think you'll find more people in oulu who decide about the hardware than from here :P11:44
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MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: haha, for sure...I'm inside nokia right now =) hehe11:45
MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: but it's good to know your opinion and so on11:46
MoRpHeUzgood to talk about this subject anyway =)11:46
suihkulokkimy opinion is kinda irrelevant :P11:46
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MoRpHeUzsuihkulokki: not for me hehe....everybody's opinion is important...(ok, there are some people that it's better to ignore but for sure you're not one of those hehe)11:48
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sujanI have 4 external file nammed *.PNG and *.txt.. I want to add these file in debian..How to do that?12:05
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hennosujan: what do you mean 'external'12:07
hennoand add them to what?12:07
sujanmeans i have an text file and i read data from that file12:07
_Monkeydebian is probably really easy to use, and I think the install that exists on the nokia devices are a lot more custom tailored for them than you think12:07
gla55_your question really makes no sense12:08
hennosujan: I am sorry, I have no idea what you are asking12:08
gla55_you read them with what? less?   and where are the files if not in debian, if debian is the os that you run12:08
MoRpHeUzI think he means a debian package...12:08
hennosujan: you have a text file that you read, and you want to add it.. whatever that means12:08
sujanyes,debian package12:09
MoRpHeUzprobably he has a program with these files and he wants to package everything..(I guess hehe)12:09
sujanyes,<MoRpHeUz> is correct12:09
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AD-N770good morning12:14
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sujanCan you please give me any idea about making debian package from eclipse IDE?12:36
sujanI am using laika12:36
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skler`someone try angstrom-distro on n800?13:40
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lardmanHow many bitstreams do ogg vorbis files normally have?14:28
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lardmanjust wondering if I can write for the simplest case first, then extend if needs be14:29
derflardman: Pong.14:33
lardmanderf: Hi14:33
_Monkeyhello, lardman14:33
lardmanI'm taking another crack at method #214:33
lardmanbut throwing away most of the existing code, for the time being at least14:34
lardmanov_read() and sub-functions that is14:34
lardmanderf: Is there any requirement to track granules? Other than for display/seeking purposes?14:35
lardmanderf: the other question is: do normal ogg vorbis files contain a single bitstream? If so, I could make the code easier to understand and write (in the first instance at least)14:37
derfYou need to know the granule position on the first page and last page of a chain.14:38
derfBecause it's used to signal how many samples to trim off the beginning and end of the stream (for sample-accurate cuts).14:38
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derfAnd while we encourage proper chaining support, reality is of course that most people drop it on the floor.14:39
lardmanis this as part of the decoding step (i.e. extra info can be included but not output), or simply so people can fiddle with which parts of the file are output?14:39
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lardmanI'd be happy to support chaining too, but implementing the whole lot in one go is painful, so I was going to go easiest case first, then add further support14:40
derfYeah, that's certainly reasonable.14:41
lardmanso most files don't need chaining?14:41
lardmangood good14:41
lardmanmakes life easier14:41
derfAnyway, the idea behind sample accurate cutting is so someone can take a file and cut it at an exact location without re-encoding.14:42
lardmanokay, so in the first instance, I don't need to pay that too much attention?14:42
derfSince of course the exact location won't necessarily fall on a block boundary, some of the beginning samples or ending samples will have to be discarded.14:42
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derfYou don't really need to pay attention when decoding, but you should pay attention when routing the decoded output to the speakers.14:43
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lardmanwhy? surely the bitrate is set already?14:44
lardmanso there's no need to track the amount of pcm data14:44
lardmanother than to ensure that there's enough14:44
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GSsomeone use aircrack-ng? i installed it but not have aireplay-ng!! someideas?14:46
derfI don't see what bitrate has to do with anything.14:49
derfI'm saying the MDCT output of the first two blocks will be n samples, but you might only be supposed to output m of them, where 0<=m<=n.14:50
derfAnd similarly for the last two blocks.14:50
lardmanah, I see, that's what I was wondering14:50
lardmanthe bitrate was something else - about your comment of keeping track of what's sent to the speakers14:50
derfThe granule position contains enough information to tell you how many samples to drop.14:51
lardmanIs that because the output of the MDCT may sound odd for the first/last blocks due to padding?14:51
lardmanor just doesn't contain information in fact14:51
lardmanuseful info that is14:51
derfWell, notice I said the first two blocks.14:52
derfIt always takes at least two successive blocks to get any output at all.14:52
derfSo half of the first block is always padding.14:53
derfBut that padding is supposed to be chosen in such a way that it doesn't compromise the real signal that follows (and is easy to compress).14:53
lardmanand the latter half is constructed to improve the compression of the first actual audio data?14:53
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lardmanokay, so I'll get some odd bits and pieces if I output the entire stream. That's fine for the time being, I can add granule tracking once I've worked out how to structure the code14:54
derfDiscarding leading samples is really just done to support cutting a file at somewhere other than a block boundary.14:54
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* kriebz is sad15:08
kriebzmy 770 is getting really flakey15:08
kriebzmight be time to consider a re-flash15:08
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kriebzbut I thought I had the newest OS when I got it15:08
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_Monkeyhello, kriebz15:14
robl^How is everyone?15:14
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kriebz* kriebz is sad15:16
kriebz<kriebz> my 770 is getting really flakey15:16
kriebz<kriebz> might be time to consider a re-flash15:16
robl^Time for an n80015:16
kriebzI got it from woot.com15:16
pupnikflake happens15:16
kriebzfor all I know it's a re-furb15:16
kriebzI can't afford the n800 right now15:17
kriebzalso, it's not a cool looking15:17
pupnikthat's what's so nice about booting from mmc - just copy back an old OS image and you're at the same spot you left off on your last backup15:17
kriebzyeah, I'm going to buy one15:17
kriebzright now, why not15:17
pupnikno need to spend 2 afternoons reinstalling and reconfiguring one15:17
pupniki have a 77015:18
robl^I need to see if i can figure out mmc boot on my 80015:18
kriebzdoes the n800 support DS as well?  I thought I heard that.15:18
pupnik800 has 2 sd slots15:19
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kriebzanyone hack an SD-IO stack for it yet?15:19
robl^I have a 4gb mmc and a 1gb mmc instaled here15:19
pupniki forgot what SDIO is15:20
kriebzcards like WiFi for an SD slot15:20
kriebzpeople with newer Palms use them15:20
pupnikrobl^: help me out - i don't have an N800 - why do you say mmc?  i thought the slots were for SD?15:20
kriebzmaybe he has MMC cards in them even though they support SD15:20
pupnikoh i see, the slot size is the same, apparently15:21
robl^Mmc works as well as SD15:21
kriebzSD are thicker15:21
kriebzand have two extra pins15:21
kriebzbut same outline15:21
pupnikok ty15:22
kriebzand pin placement for the n-2 pins15:22
robl^But nokia does support the extra security in those cards.. So it really doesnt matter15:22
kriebzthat should do nicely15:22
robl^Need to find a tool to convert a bunch of windows media wmv files for playback on n80015:25
pupnikmplayer can handle a lot of wmv codecs15:27
pupnik(directly on the N800)15:27
pupnikbut if they are > 240 height you will want to transcode regardless15:27
* kriebz goes to the doctor15:27
kriebznice chatting15:27
_Monkey770-encode is probably Jaffa's favourite - but I'm biased :)15:28
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robl^Mplayer choked on these...15:29
robl^VLC plays it on my laptop15:30
ssvbrobl^: most likely that's because of wma audio in these files15:32
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tsohmm, is gnash available on the 770 or N800?15:43
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_Monkeyi heard mediaconverter was a frontend to mencoder which transcodes videos to a 770 or N800 optimized format.  Get it here:
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Jaffarobl^: for i in *.wmv; do 770-encode -p good $i $i.avi; done; cp *.avi /media/n800/Video/16:01
Jaffa770-encode is at
robl^Appears to be a codec issue... Cant seem to get converters to open it. "Windows media screen v7"16:03
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robl^I'll try 770-convert, but i have little hope at the moment16:07
cosmorobl^: there's also my version
cosmodunno how well it works nowadays16:09
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robl^Thanks for the pointers, cosmo et al.. Will try agin.16:11
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lardmanderf: If a frame of vorbis data (produced from a single packet) has a usual size of 4096 (I think I remember reading that somewhere), that's 4 096 / 44 100 ~=0.09s of data16:45
lardmanderf: So is it safe to assume that when pausing a decoder, I could simply pause at the next packet decode?16:46
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GSsomeone know where i can find url for maemo-mapper google maps?16:48
lardmanisn't it built in?16:48
_Monkey770-encode is a perl script to transcode video to 770/N800 friendly format.  Get it at   A java GUI version for win/OSX/linux can be found at  and an alternative shellscript transcoder can be found at
lardmanGS: it will automatically fill in the required bits and bobs, certainly in the latest version16:48
lardmanI wish _Monkey wouldn't do that16:48
lardmancan't we get him to reply to the ~ instead?16:49
* Nermal slaps _Monkey 16:49
pupniki think it would be preferable also to use special character16:50
derflardman: 4096 samples is the max. That's only used in some low bitrate modes IIRC, normaly blocks are smaller. So, yes.16:51
lardmanderf: Cool, just thinking ahead16:51
pupniknice clean script there cosmo16:53
GSlardman, thank u but i have the latest ...16:53
cosmopupnik: thanks, it's based on some older script on maemo wiki16:54
lardmanGS: menu-> maps>manage repos16:55
lardmanGS: Then download iirc16:55
Veggenhmm. I should try the gmyth-things does it work, anyone tried?16:56
lardmanGS: that downloads a list of pre-generated formats from online iirc16:56
GSooo cool ;) sorry lardman16:56
GSi cant see16:56
VeggenNowadays, when I schedule a recording in myth, I have to tick off on "tablet-encoding", then it ends up in a web-accessible directory where I can download it to my tablet. Sort of nice that too, but maybe gmyth is more elegant ;)16:57
pupnikinteresting stuff Veggen - i'm looking to build a mythbox soon - just got the transmitter for it16:59
pupnik(for the analog tv upstairs)16:59
Veggenpupnik: I've so far avoided the digital hell.16:59
suihkulokkiVeggen do you have link for the tablet-encoding script?17:00
Veggenit was a variant of things.17:00
Veggen might have been the description, it's at least very like what I did.17:02
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lardmanderf: A quickie, the ogg_reference objects (i.e. the things that contain the ogg_packet data) appear to be in a linked list. Is this linked list required/checked by the decoder?17:07
GSlardman, is normal that google sat not work?17:08
lardmanGS: No idea, I've not tried it17:08
GSok thank ;)17:09
lardmanit's like russian dolls! ogg_packet contains ogg_reference contains ogg_buffer contains some data at last17:11
lardmanderf: The docs are wrong with the definition of oggpack_readinit()17:16
lardmanThe code says this: void oggpack_readinit(oggpack_buffer *b,ogg_reference *r)17:18
lardmanthe docs say this: void oggpack_readinit(oggpack_buffer *b,unsigned char *buf,int bytes);17:19
lardmanunless there's some difference between Tremor and standard Vorbis17:19
lardmancould be I suppose17:19
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kulveI would guess there is a difference..17:26
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derflardman: There is.17:40
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lardmanderf: Okay, not a problem, just a bit confusing17:40
derfTremor uses libogg2, which was never formally released separately.17:41
derfThe main ideas behind libogg2 being that it has a much smaller memory footprint and is zero-copy.17:41
lardmanI want to copy an ogg_packet over17:42
lardmantherefore I need to recreate the bits contained within it17:42
lardmanat least to some degree. Are the reference tracking parts used by the decoder? I can't see that they are17:42
lardmanbits is a loaded word in this context :)17:43
zuhTwo-edged revolver17:43
zuhno, wait17:44
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derfAll the reference counting is handled in framing.c, I believe.17:45
lardmannot sure that's good17:49
lardmanlooks like the bit reading functions may use them, though perhaps that's just if one reads out the end17:50
lardmanmore caffeine17:51
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sladenlardman|afk: jazelle18:26
_Monkeywell, jazelle is a hardware extension for some ARM processors (like the one in the N800) that allows direct bytecode execution18:26
tsothat is java bytecode18:26
sladenthank you _Monkey you need fixing to only speak when spoke to18:26
sladena subset of zero or more java bytecodes18:27
zeenixsladen: yo18:28
zeenixsladen: didn't know you hang around on this channel :)18:28
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sladenzeenix: don't generally, nchip pointed me here as lardman was doing some jazelle stuff too18:28
lardmansladen: What are your thoughts on Jazelle?18:29
sladenlardman: I have most of it specced, bar the exact interaction of the stack head shadowing and where the state of that shadowing is held (I'm suspecting PSR bits 20-23 and 25-26)18:30
sladenlardman: and I've tried to avoid reading the patents18:30
lardmansladen: Do you have anything I can read to see your progress?18:30
lardmansladen: You've not missed much in the patents ;)18:31
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disqi can't change the icons in the statusbar. it won't save my changes19:52
disqany ideas as to why? don't want to reflash19:53
pupnikAre you changing icon bitmaps/animations for pre-installed applets?19:58
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disqthe navigation/statusbar thingy in the cp19:59
disqso i can't reorder or enable/disable statusbar icons19:59
disqerm, apps/plugins rather19:59
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disq`chown -R user.users /home/user/.osso/hildon-status-bar` fixed it20:02
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erstazihello everyone22:08
erstazihello TonyMaro22:11
erstaziTonyMaro: how are you?22:11
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erstazihello mallum22:12
mallumerstazi: hey22:12
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erstaziits quiet today... no one must want help ):22:13
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amris there a way to get events in dates to repeat every week?22:35
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qgilmallum? Da real mallum ?22:43
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