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| odiv | hi. | 00:29 |
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| pupnik | strange monkey didn't respond to that | 00:30 |
| pupnik | hi | 00:30 |
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| pupnik | multiboot? | 00:30 |
| _Monkey | multiboot is probably "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card | 00:30 |
| odiv | Hm. I can't seem to install osso-xterm. Says I don't have some required packages (including some libraries). Did I miss something? | 00:32 |
| odiv | This is on my 770, os2006 | 00:32 |
| pupnik | exactly which osso-xterm are you installing? | 00:39 |
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| odiv | let me check. | 00:45 |
| odiv | 0.13.mh24bora1 | 00:45 |
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| odiv | thoughts? | 00:58 |
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| pupnik | hmm | 01:02 |
| odiv | trying again. | 01:02 |
| pupnik | bora is not for it2006 | 01:02 |
| odiv | I probably added the wrong repository. thanks. | 01:03 |
| odiv | or catalogue, or whatever. | 01:03 |
| pupnik | you want mistral and gregale repos | 01:03 |
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| pupnik | repositories? | 01:04 |
| _Monkey | repositories are not just a job, but an adventure! Add some for big win! http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories | 01:04 |
| odiv | Yeah, I had the bora hacker one on there by accident. | 01:05 |
| odiv | Now I just have to wait for my 2gb rs-mmc card to come. | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | :) | 01:16 |
| pupnik | odiv: do you have a keyboard for the 770? | 01:16 |
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| odiv | nah, not yet. | 01:21 |
| odiv | checking ebay, might go with one of those iGos. | 01:21 |
| TonyMaro | odiv: I got the Think Outside "universal" and other than the fact it weighs twice what my Nokia does, I love it. | 01:25 |
| onion | now what.. wlan scanning works only if device is flat on the table | 01:27 |
| odiv | Yeah, looking at those. How much did you pay? | 01:28 |
| odiv | ~$65? | 01:28 |
| TonyMaro | odiv: $76 + ship: | 01:29 |
| TonyMaro | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ORGD64/105-8045011-6335625 | 01:29 |
| TonyMaro | It's got a stainless steel outside, and a nice zipper case for it. Feels very solid. | 01:30 |
| TonyMaro | Company bought, so I wasn't too worried about the price ;-) | 01:30 |
| TonyMaro | I understand you can get drivers to make the HP Ipaq keyboards work. | 01:30 |
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| TonyMaro | but this think outside worked first try | 01:31 |
| rcknight | TonyMaro: how does it work holding the nokia? Can you adjust any? | 01:35 |
| TonyMaro | rcknight: I don't use the stand - I use the Nokia's. The stand stores in the back of the keyboard, and I've only taken it out once. | 01:36 |
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| TonyMaro | rcknight: trying it now | 01:36 |
| TonyMaro | Seems to be only a 45 degree prop | 01:37 |
| rcknight | you have 770 or 800? | 01:38 |
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| TonyMaro | 800. I'll post a pic of the stand in a second | 01:38 |
| TonyMaro | Gotta BT it off my phone first | 01:39 |
| rcknight | ok. thanks, | 01:39 |
| * rcknight has 770. | 01:39 | |
| TonyMaro | That's odd... neither of my mmc cards are showing in the file explorer. Uhoh. | 01:41 |
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| odiv | I wish my 770 had ports on the side like an 800. | 01:41 |
| odiv | ah well. | 01:41 |
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| TonyMaro | rcknight: Here ya go, a really bad pic, but shows the stand: | 01:43 |
| TonyMaro | http://www.maro.net/ns/kbstand.jpg | 01:43 |
| TonyMaro | my leather case has a stand built in, which is what my nokia is propped with | 01:44 |
| TonyMaro | actually I have the stand backwards from the orientation of my nokia in that pic | 01:44 |
| TonyMaro | the two pins sticking up would rest on the back of the Nokia, not the flat part. | 01:44 |
| TonyMaro | The front of the stand is a soft rubber with dimples in it to prevent slippage. | 01:45 |
| odiv | So what indispensable things do you guys do with these? | 01:45 |
| TonyMaro | odiv: Play games? | 01:45 |
| TonyMaro | :) | 01:46 |
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| TonyMaro | I also wrote a nice Bible + Book of Mormon study application for it. | 01:46 |
| TonyMaro | that's really what mine gets used for most - reading. | 01:46 |
| pupnik | hey TonyMaro nice job on that game | 01:47 |
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| TonyMaro | pupnik: Thanks! | 01:48 |
| pupnik | Are you more interested in making it like a roguelike, or a plot-driven RPG? | 01:49 |
| TonyMaro | Plot driven | 01:49 |
| TonyMaro | very "Bard's Tale"-ish | 01:49 |
| pupnik | Nice | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | Well keep at it - you probably won't get too much feedback early on. The portion of the community into gaming is not very large. | 01:51 |
| odiv | Yeah, I plan to use mine for reading, mostly. | 01:52 |
| TonyMaro | rcknight: Hey, here's 2 more pics for ya: http://www.maro.net/ns/closed.jpg http://www.maro.net/ns/open.jpg | 01:52 |
| odiv | I have a palm lifedrive that I was reading on before this. | 01:52 |
| odiv | I wish there were buttons on both sides of the 770 though. | 01:52 |
| odiv | ah well. | 01:53 |
| pupnik | odiv did i show you my mockup of a tablet with that? | 01:53 |
| odiv | It seems a little more akward than the palm to hold while reading because of button placement. I might just not be used to it yet. | 01:53 |
| TonyMaro | I'm all about making interfaces that don't require the stylus, and barely rely on the buttons. | 01:53 |
| TonyMaro | Thummim has two screen based buttons for forward / backward. | 01:53 |
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| TonyMaro | on the right side | 01:53 |
| TonyMaro | you can use those instead of the hardware button | 01:54 |
| pupnik | nice | 01:54 |
| TonyMaro | I'll also let you open any plain text document for reading, and support bookmarks and highlighting for them. | 01:54 |
| TonyMaro | it'll* | 01:54 |
| TonyMaro | Geeze my RAZR takes some horrible pictures. | 01:56 |
| TonyMaro | You can't get them to not smear for anything | 01:57 |
| pupnik | pics of an lcd screen - or in general? | 01:57 |
| TonyMaro | in general | 01:57 |
| TonyMaro | looking at those keyboard pics I just posted showed just how bad it is | 01:57 |
| TonyMaro | and I reduced those from the original res. | 01:57 |
| pupnik | heh | 01:57 |
| TonyMaro | I'll never buy another RAZR. I got 6 for us, and every one of us hate them. | 01:57 |
| pupnik | what else is suboptimal? | 01:58 |
| TonyMaro | The darn keypad... every person who has one complains they misdial all the time. | 01:58 |
| odiv | and I'm done work. | 01:58 |
| odiv | Thanks again for the help. | 01:58 |
| pupnik | ok - cheers | 01:58 |
| TonyMaro | have a nice night | 01:58 |
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| TonyMaro | pupnik: Not to mention, they required encrypted games, you can't install any freeware software on it, or buy from a third party other than your carrier. | 01:59 |
| pupnik | bleh | 01:59 |
| pupnik | how is dialing on that flat number pad? | 02:00 |
| pupnik | there's a very cheap benq that copies the razr design - similar pad | 02:00 |
| TonyMaro | pupnik: Like I just stated - we all hate the number pad. You'd think the buttons were big enough to hit, but I'm always pushing the wrong button. | 02:00 |
| pupnik | oh i missed that | 02:00 |
| TonyMaro | The only time I dial right on the first try is if it's stored in the address book, lol | 02:01 |
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| TonyMaro | I was a victim of Moto Marketing... I bought into the hype when they were released. | 02:01 |
| TonyMaro | My next phone will probably be a cheap Samsung. | 02:02 |
| * pupnik must nap now | 02:05 | |
| TonyMaro | pupnik: I think the biggest problem is the keypad - there's no real tactile feedback from the keys like with a traditional pad. | 02:05 |
| TonyMaro | pupnik: Nite | 02:05 |
| pupnik | yeah - | 02:05 |
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| TonyMaro | hehe didn't realize I was away | 02:06 |
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| unique311 | i need this running on the N800...please | 02:17 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/user/VirtualSpaghetti | 02:17 |
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| setite | haha hey unique311 | 02:18 |
| unique311 | whats up | 02:18 |
| setite | shit.. aint you got a job :) haha | 02:18 |
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| unique311 | yes i do. | 02:20 |
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| unique311 | I do lost prevention at AnF | 02:20 |
| unique311 | you? | 02:21 |
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| setite | anf? | 02:23 |
| setite | im an electrician | 02:23 |
| unique311 | my dad was an electrician... | 02:24 |
| unique311 | nice field of work.. | 02:24 |
| rcknight | sweet | 02:24 |
| unique311 | AnF(abercrombie & fitch) | 02:24 |
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| unique311 | My sister's tell me all the time to go school and become and electrician, "oh its in your blood, your dad did it, your grandad also..." | 02:26 |
| unique311 | those fuckers weren't afraid of getting shocked. | 02:26 |
| unique311 | I am.. | 02:26 |
| setite | so am i | 02:28 |
| setite | thats why you be an inside wireman | 02:28 |
| setite | lineman are the guys with greatest risk of getting shocked since they work live powerlines | 02:28 |
| setite | im an inside wireman so im rarely around any energized circuits | 02:28 |
| setite | unless you wanna move up an AnF i'd look into your local union | 02:29 |
| setite | school just started but it still a good time ot get in | 02:29 |
| unique311 | i'm happy with my slacker job. | 02:29 |
| unique311 | really trying to get into fashion design right now. | 02:30 |
| unique311 | fashion is where the money's at. | 02:30 |
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| robl^ | Clawsmail is buggy | 03:03 |
| robl^ | Only saw like 50 mails from july... | 03:04 |
| robl^ | Yet i have about 400 msgs on that imap4 server | 03:06 |
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| setite | yea for me.. real estate is where the money's at | 03:31 |
| setite | i'm not going for something that competitive.. ill stick witht eh guaranteed money.. sorry for late replay.. haha unique311 | 03:31 |
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| skibur | : | 04:58 |
| skibur | :) | 04:58 |
| erstazi | : | 04:58 |
| erstazi | (: | 04:58 |
| skibur | What are some of the Cons of the N800? | 04:58 |
| erstazi | a 3 ton truck can break it | 04:59 |
| erstazi | skibur: there is not any pullout keyboard, so you have to tap (or use your finger) on the virtual keyboard... or ssh to the device like I do | 04:59 |
| skibur | Thinking of buying a N800. I currently with DSLinux Nintendo DS Lite. | 04:59 |
| erstazi | Damn Small Linux? | 05:00 |
| _Monkey | Damn Small Linux is great on older pc's, the XFCE DE is very easy flowing | 05:00 |
| skibur | o | 05:00 |
| skibur | no | 05:00 |
| erstazi | ah | 05:00 |
| erstazi | ok | 05:00 |
| skibur | Linux on the Nintendo DS Lite | 05:00 |
| robl^ | Worst thing about it is the email app. Could use a few tweaks | 05:00 |
| erstazi | skibur: yes Damn Small Linux is a distro | 05:00 |
| skibur | yeah, that too | 05:00 |
| erstazi | robl^: well, thats if someone wants to use an email client or just choose to use web based mail... | 05:01 |
| erstazi | I have to deal with being secure so I either encrypt my harddrives when using an email client or use web based | 05:01 |
| erstazi | I have a 770 and I am happy with it | 05:02 |
| skibur | hum.. | 05:02 |
| skibur | Still don't Know if I should buy one. | 05:03 |
| erstazi | I might go for a n800 later on but right now, its what satisfying to the person... I don't need a camera but 2 SD slots would be nice! | 05:03 |
| robl^ | erstazi: true..but as a device marketed as an internet communication device.. The email lacks a bit in features | 05:03 |
| erstazi | robl^: I see the point... I am not even sure what the OS2007's default mail client is... but if its based off evolution, I will agree, it needs tweaked | 05:03 |
| erstazi | I wouldn't want to be the one who ported all these apps for nokia | 05:04 |
| erstazi | evolution was an instant turn off for me | 05:04 |
| erstazi | but thats because of my need for security | 05:04 |
| robl^ | skibur: i bought an n800 a few days ago.. I love it, but there are a few minor rough edges...all can be fixed in software | 05:05 |
| skibur | o ok | 05:06 |
| skibur | $399 | 05:06 |
| skibur | like, can I have thunderbird, kopete, bash, xterm, ssh, and emulators etc.? | 05:06 |
| robl^ | erstazi: yeah... Not sure if the email is based on evolution...evolution does better than the bundled one on os2007 | 05:07 |
| robl^ | I have bash, xterm, pidgin/gaim, ssh, bash installed | 05:07 |
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| erstazi | skibur: you can get an n800 for $330 | 05:09 |
| erstazi | robl^: does bash have a better tar than busybox? | 05:09 |
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| erstazi | skibur: you can also have xchat, irssi, and many more | 05:09 |
| erstazi | hi rwhitby | 05:10 |
| skibur | nice | 05:10 |
| skibur | $330 (new)? | 05:10 |
| erstazi | skibur: yes | 05:10 |
| erstazi | let me find the link | 05:10 |
| skibur | amazon is for $360 new | 05:10 |
| robl^ | Bash has no tar...its a separate binary | 05:10 |
| robl^ | I got mine for $150 after a gift card and sale price | 05:11 |
| erstazi | robl^: yeah, the tar is a pain though | 05:12 |
| erstazi | skibur: http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n800-internet-tablet/q/loc/101/204055141.html | 05:12 |
| erstazi | skibur: I got my nokia 770 for $129 on there | 05:12 |
| erstazi | one place were selling them for $330 brand new | 05:12 |
| skibur | thanks | 05:13 |
| robl^ | Not had a need to try tar yet.. Only had it a few days | 05:13 |
| erstazi | robl^: well, I usually use scratchbox to extract and build packages... but was in need of a quick extract | 05:15 |
| erstazi | robl^: and the tar is distributed with busybox, which is default last I checked | 05:15 |
| erstazi | robl^: I don't have a sources.list for OS2007 (only OS2006 at http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list) but other people have sources.list but for OS2007 | 05:16 |
| erstazi | you might be able to switch everything to bora | 05:16 |
| erstazi | but I don't trust that | 05:16 |
| erstazi | skibur: if you buy from buy.com, do the free shipping, I got mine in 2 days and my buddy did the overnight and it took them a week to get it to him | 05:17 |
| erstazi | skibur: which isn't buy.com's fault, just the mailing service | 05:17 |
| robl^ | I am trying to get mono 1.2.5 for n800.. | 05:18 |
| erstazi | robl^: for OS2007 | 05:19 |
| robl^ | Will play with scratchbox tomorrow | 05:19 |
| erstazi | robl^: what linux distro do you have on a pc? | 05:19 |
| erstazi | or laptop | 05:19 |
| robl^ | Yeah...for os2007.4 | 05:19 |
| robl^ | My laptop is fedora 7 | 05:20 |
| erstazi | ok, scratchbox might have rpm | 05:20 |
| erstazi | yeah it does | 05:20 |
| erstazi | I have CentOS, I had to think for a second | 05:20 |
| erstazi | but Debian-based is very friendly | 05:20 |
| erstazi | robl^: with scratchbox, you can use the latest sources at http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads | 05:22 |
| robl^ | Thats the plan...would like to seebofficial mono pkgs though | 05:23 |
| robl^ | That would make porting / writing new apps easier for me | 05:23 |
| erstazi | robl^: there are many howtos for installing scratchbox... including how to get the rootstraps and all that installed | 05:24 |
| erstazi | robl^: what language(s) do you know? | 05:24 |
| robl^ | Been reading up on scratchbox... | 05:24 |
| robl^ | Ohhh, c#, php, 4gl, a bit of ansi c | 05:25 |
| erstazi | nice | 05:25 |
| erstazi | be right back | 05:26 |
| robl^ | Not an expert in any of those...but i can muddle through :-D | 05:26 |
| erstazi | well it helps | 05:29 |
| TonyMaro | woot, I just finished changing the Kagu kinetic scroll widget to work with GTK instead of PyGame | 05:31 |
| TonyMaro | It's an ugly hack, but it worked | 05:31 |
| setite | kool | 05:32 |
| setite | centos? | 05:32 |
| TonyMaro | nokia n800 | 05:32 |
| setite | oh sorry tony.. i know | 05:32 |
| setite | erstazi whats centOS like | 05:32 |
| TonyMaro | oh.... lol | 05:32 |
| TonyMaro | well I'm going home - lata | 05:33 |
| robl^ | Been dealing with c# for work...and if i could use that skill with apps i can run on my n800, i would have an incentive to learn faster | 05:33 |
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| setite | centos gives me brain pain in like the fist minute | 05:33 |
| setite | so ugly... and the talk is too much for my simple mind | 05:33 |
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| pupnikzzz | hi setite - are you an old kanotix user or something? | 05:44 |
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| erstazi | setite: centos is 100% binary compatible with Red Hat, or thats the aim they want | 05:57 |
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| setite | thought i heard you say it was debian based | 05:57 |
| erstazi | setite: oh, no sorry, its RHEL based | 06:02 |
| erstazi | setite: I meant another distro | 06:03 |
| erstazi | setite: for scratchbox, I suggest people to use a debian-based distro | 06:03 |
| erstazi | like Debian, MEPIS, or Ubuntu | 06:03 |
| erstazi | many more, just not going to list them all (: | 06:03 |
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| qgil | milhouse: ping | 09:50 |
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| kulve | qgil: why can't I get email notifications from the wiki page editions? | 10:15 |
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| timelyx | kulve: edits? | 10:18 |
| timelyx | (an edition is a different animal) | 10:18 |
| kulve | whatever | 10:18 |
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| Jaffa | Erk, the Foleo's been cancelled. | 10:45 |
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| gla55_ | ye | 10:46 |
| * keesj is going for a month long brasil holliday next work | 10:48 | |
| keesj | I wonder if and what gadget to take with me | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | Not a Foleo ;-) | 10:48 |
| gla55_ | heehee | 10:49 |
| keesj | I am thinking about taking the 770 | 10:49 |
| keesj | it has longer battery life. I just would love to do more programming on the device itself | 10:51 |
| keesj | pic programming is what I have been doing lately, perhaps I can port http://www.dattalo.com/gnupic/gpsim.html to the arm | 10:51 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: technically shelved, no? :) | 10:54 |
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| keesj | Jaffa: after reading http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html I think more companies should make such choices | 11:03 |
| keesj | it almoost sounds like a rational not money/time to market driven choice. | 11:03 |
| keesj | I have been thinking a lot about maemo/openmoko and what is structuraly wrong with them | 11:04 |
| timelyx | keesj: the list is shorter if you ask what is structurally right with them :) | 11:05 |
| keesj | haha | 11:05 |
| keesj | I just try to imagine what would be require for such a product to work in an open-source context | 11:06 |
| keesj | the real great mamo stuff was all created by nokia and affiliates. | 11:06 |
| timelyx | maemo? | 11:07 |
| _Monkey | maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software | 11:07 |
| timelyx | shut up | 11:07 |
| keesj | maemo-mapper being a great exeption , also some nice media players where created | 11:07 |
| timelyx | out of curiosity, which good things can you list for maemo from nokia? | 11:08 |
| keesj | thoose are the real things in the open-source context "do one thing well" | 11:08 |
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| pupnik | keesj, mtpaint would be nice | 11:08 |
| * timelyx still wants gimpshop | 11:09 | |
| keesj | timelyx: I think that they UI is pretty consistent , the talk stuff , the concept | 11:09 |
| keesj | the thumb keyboard, the browser, the games. media-streamer, they just are more finished / adapted to the platform | 11:10 |
| * timelyx ponders | 11:10 | |
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| timelyx | out of curiosity, what's your view on rhapsody? | 11:10 |
| timelyx | (from memory it's basically just a media streamer consumer, but...) | 11:11 |
| keesj | a product for us customers? | 11:11 |
| keesj | US | 11:11 |
| timelyx | yes | 11:11 |
| timelyx | sorry, I was able to beta it here in Finland | 11:11 |
| keesj | I havent' tried it | 11:11 |
| timelyx | benefit of being an employee :) | 11:11 |
| timelyx | if you're in the us and have an n800, give it a try | 11:12 |
| inz | Feh, vacation over, only ~1500 emails waiting to be processed :/ | 11:12 |
| keesj | I an in Amsterdam | 11:12 |
| inz | Fortunately most of them are not of importance | 11:12 |
| timelyx | inz: « Back to Search results Report SpamDelete Ð Newer 20 of tens of thousands Older ð | 11:13 |
| keesj | the whole maemo trip for me has been more like being in a bus and not being the driver | 11:13 |
| keesj | I like what I see , I like to drive a bit but I am not a bus driver. | 11:13 |
| timelyx | nice analogy | 11:14 |
| pupnik | what OS do you personally steer? | 11:14 |
| inz | timelyx, they're not spam, but notifications et al | 11:14 |
| timelyx | inz: yeah, but look at it this way | 11:15 |
| timelyx | gmail say i have tens of thousands of things to read | 11:15 |
| timelyx | and i'm about to *start* my vacation | 11:15 |
| inz | xD | 11:16 |
| keesj | pupnik: for work I create driver/fix bugs of a linux based PND(personal navigation device) | 11:16 |
| timelyx | inz: the worst part... i *musT* check mail weekly | 11:16 |
| pupnik | cool | 11:16 |
| timelyx | otherwise my primary inbox will fill up and start bouncing 9/10 emails | 11:16 |
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| inz | time, yeah, that would be nasty (expect that amount of spam sent to your address might reduce) | 11:17 |
| inz | s/pec/cep/ | 11:18 |
| infobot | inz meant: time, yeah, that would be nasty (except that amount of spam sent to your address might reduce) | 11:18 |
| inz | grr | 11:18 |
| timelyx | inz: spam relative to ham in this case is noise i never notice | 11:19 |
| keesj | timelyx: I just really wonder what should be expected from the community/me | 11:19 |
| timelyx | keesj: well, pick a smaller bus | 11:20 |
| pupnik | More unit sales = more developers. This *is* a one-product OS, is it not? | 11:20 |
| timelyx | are you interested in helping the browser? | 11:20 |
| timelyx | keesj: i.e. go through bugs.maemo.org and pick either a product or a component | 11:20 |
| timelyx | once you've picked 1 or 2, let me know and i'll give you suggestions | 11:20 |
| timelyx | (seriously) | 11:20 |
| timelyx | it'll be easier on me if you choose browser, but i can work w/ anything | 11:20 |
| timelyx | you have 40mins. i need to go to work | 11:21 |
| timelyx | oh, and you only have today. i'll be on vacation for a month and don't have a hotel reservation for friday night :( | 11:21 |
| keesj | :P | 11:21 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:22 |
| pupnik | morning AD-N770 | 11:23 |
| timelyx | keesj: practically speaking, the list is something like this: | 11:23 |
| timelyx | 1. converting bug reports into actionable items | 11:23 |
| pupnik | AD-N770: i saw you had some ASM skills - do you know if there is a way to do profiling on the device? | 11:23 |
| timelyx | 2. reducing problems to even more specifically fixable items | 11:23 |
| AD-N770 | pupnik: oprofile | 11:23 |
| timelyx | 3. finding and fixing them yourself | 11:23 |
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| timelyx | 4. discovering inconsistencies that aren't reported (either within an app or across the platform) and reporting them | 11:24 |
| pupnik | AD-N770: do i need to download an 'oprofile kernel' or compile one myself? | 11:24 |
| timelyx | 5. checking the documentation for an app and reporting bugs about areas where it's wrong | 11:24 |
| AD-N770 | I compiled one myself | 11:24 |
| AD-N770 | but there's one compiled too | 11:24 |
| timelyx | 6. checking the documentation and determining where it's missing important sections (file bugs) | 11:24 |
| AD-N770 | you can boot it without flash the unit | 11:25 |
| timelyx | those are the easy ones | 11:25 |
| pupnik | Ok thanks - i saw some mailing list chatter about it - but only problems and no howto | 11:25 |
| timelyx | 7. offering suggestions for actually fixing 5/6 | 11:25 |
| keesj | I just looked a the last +/- 100 filled bug, I think there is only one what would be fixable by me (Mouse support (Bluetooth and on 770 USB support)) | 11:30 |
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| keesj | timelyx: one full month? what kind of company are you working for :p | 11:34 |
| timelyx | european. it's 4 weeks plus weekends at both ends | 11:34 |
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| theril | Does anybody have a multimeter and N800 wired headset? | 11:38 |
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| matmo | morning. Alternative for doing updates via App Mgr one-by-one? IT2006 | 12:11 |
| matmo | red pill mode active | 12:12 |
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| timelyx | matmo: heh | 12:13 |
| timelyx | matmo: find some meta package that depends on the things you want updated | 12:13 |
| timelyx | or heck, write one :) | 12:13 |
| onion | matmo: xterm + apt-get ? | 12:13 |
| matmo | apt-get for *all* updates? Not familiar apart from basics | 12:14 |
| suihkulokki | AD-N770: you pinged me when I was on vacation | 12:14 |
| timelyx | matmo: if you're feeling suicidal... | 12:15 |
| timelyx | there's a magic:sys package | 12:15 |
| timelyx | which may or may not convert your device into a pretty brick | 12:15 |
| timelyx | otoh, it might do something resembling what you want | 12:15 |
| matmo | timelyx: arh, hope to avoid that :-) | 12:15 |
| matmo | where to find this magic package? | 12:16 |
| AD-N770 | not sure, I can't remember now :) | 12:16 |
| timelyx | matmo: personally, i like bricks | 12:16 |
| timelyx | matmo: at least in 2007 it's listed in redpill | 12:16 |
| timelyx | i suppose it might have been introduced after 2006 | 12:16 |
| timelyx | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html | 12:16 |
| timelyx | talks about them | 12:16 |
| matmo | no such package listed in app mgr for 2006. Thanks, I'll check the link out. | 12:17 |
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| onion | matmo: feeling experimental? here is it2007 app manager compiled for 2006: http://download.talinux.tal.org/pub/maemo/dists/gregale/experimental/binary-armel/osso-application-installer_4.46_armel.deb | 12:18 |
| matmo | There are about 3 dozen packages listed as updates in app mgr. Manually, I will still be here tomorrow | 12:18 |
| matmo | onion: ok, thanks, I'll check it out | 12:18 |
| timelyx | matmo: aptitude is probably the alternative | 12:18 |
| timelyx | if you can find someone like onion who can build it for you :) | 12:19 |
| onion | but don't complain if it bricks your device.. | 12:19 |
| timelyx | onion: that's the spirit :) | 12:19 |
| onion | works-for-me :) | 12:19 |
| matmo | why should it brick the device? Won't it only apply updates correct for 2006? | 12:19 |
| timelyx | beta code | 12:20 |
| timelyx | no guarantees | 12:20 |
| timelyx | and you're assuming things that you might have changed | 12:20 |
| onion | matmo: well, it's not official for 2006 | 12:20 |
| timelyx | there's a nice page from mozilla.org that describes what can happen to you if you use beta code | 12:20 |
| timelyx | but i can't find it | 12:20 |
| onion | and nokias funny way of using gettext breakes some strings | 12:21 |
| matmo | is there no "official" way to get all updates? | 12:21 |
| onion | matmo: just use apt-get upgrade as root | 12:21 |
| timelyx | matmo: correct | 12:21 |
| timelyx | matmo: the key is that if you've done anything interesting, e.g. added repositories | 12:22 |
| timelyx | then all bets are off | 12:22 |
| timelyx | and it's fairly easy to brick any debian based system if you mix repositories | 12:22 |
| matmo | sure I've added repo's, who hasn't? | 12:22 |
| timelyx | tablet, server, laptop, it doesn't matter | 12:22 |
| timelyx | right. therein lies the fun and excitement | 12:22 |
| onion | timelyx: well, not many repos touch critical system packages | 12:23 |
| timelyx | onion: one of the n800 repositories broke opera for a while :) | 12:23 |
| onion | my repo does but... | 12:23 |
| timelyx | i mean, it's not like i care about opera, but some of our users did :o | 12:23 |
| onion | gstreamer update to latest release :) | 12:23 |
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| matmo | I have cert, non-cert, canola, herring, gregale, bora, etc, etc | 12:24 |
| onion | I like my software fresh... | 12:25 |
| timelyx | i like my software dead | 12:31 |
| timelyx | http://www.mozilla.org/unix/using-x-with-mozilla-threads.html | 12:31 |
| onion | I needed libgstapp and that required a new gst | 12:34 |
| timelyx | so, if you want to do an upgrade, you probably want to limit the number of enabled repositories | 12:34 |
| pupnik | are you programming for the dsp onion? | 12:34 |
| timelyx | having repositories while installing is all fine and dandy | 12:34 |
| timelyx | but having them while upgrading is asking for more trouble than you want | 12:34 |
| matmo | timelyx: so which ones should I leave enabled? | 12:36 |
| pupnik | do packages get updated enough to warrant an upgrade? | 12:36 |
| onion | pupnik: no, I needed an easy way to play speach buffers from libespeak | 12:36 |
| pupnik | ah | 12:36 |
| pupnik | libespeak is text-to-speech? | 12:36 |
| onion | pupnik: yes | 12:37 |
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| matmo | sod it, trying: apt-get upgrade | 12:42 |
| matmo | whizzing along now | 12:42 |
| matmo | (can't hold my breath this long) | 12:43 |
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| matmo | oops, rebooting | 12:44 |
| Veggen | matmo: not always a good idea ;) | 12:44 |
| Veggen | (to apt-get upgrade) | 12:44 |
| matmo | Veggen: too late | 12:44 |
| matmo | nokia, white screen, nokia, white screen, ... guess I'm fuk'ed | 12:45 |
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| Nermal | matmo: :( | 12:46 |
| matmo | :-( indeed | 12:47 |
| onion | matmo: well, that sucks | 12:47 |
| matmo | so, what now? | 12:47 |
| onion | reflash | 12:48 |
| Nermal | sell it to meeee | 12:48 |
| onion | something I've been doing lately too many times... | 12:49 |
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| matmo | oooo, it's gone to charging screen now | 12:49 |
| matmo | keeps connecting then disconnecting on usb | 12:50 |
| matmo | schitzo fuk'ing thing | 12:50 |
| onion | wonder how loong it takes to get my old one back from warranty. any .fi nokia folks that might know how loong it takes ? | 12:50 |
| onion | matmo: yeah, I got mine to go into a endles reboot loop after a normal shutdown | 12:51 |
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| matmo | onion: how did you get out of it | 12:51 |
| onion | matmo: guess | 12:51 |
| onion | reflash! | 12:52 |
| matmo | with the usb problem? | 12:52 |
| onion | usb was ok.. | 12:52 |
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| onion | matmo: it won't go into flashing mode ? | 12:52 |
| matmo | see above | 12:53 |
| Briget | Hi | 12:53 |
| timelyx | onion: we don't really deal w/ factory / warrantee you're much better off asking a normal person | 12:54 |
| timelyx | we have people internally who will replace hardware components | 12:54 |
| onion | matmo: try removing the battery | 12:54 |
| timelyx | onion: welcome to debian goodness | 12:54 |
| onion | timelyx: ok | 12:54 |
| timelyx | oh, oops w/onion/matmo/ | 12:55 |
| matmo | seems to have settled once I started the updater | 12:55 |
| Briget | please tell me any body how can i integrate libjpeg example.c with maemo project. please....... | 12:55 |
| timelyx | Briget: eh? | 12:55 |
| timelyx | maemo includes libjpeg | 12:55 |
| Briget | ya | 12:55 |
| Briget | but when i build the project then i got some error | 12:56 |
| onion | matmo: I hope you have a backup | 12:56 |
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| onion | timelyx: you wouldn | 12:57 |
| onion | äh.. | 12:57 |
| pupnik | Briget: the makefile should -l link libjpeg | 12:57 |
| timelyx | finnetic ahhs, how eenteresting | 12:58 |
| onion | timelyx: 't happen to know if the touchscreen failing is a common failure for the 770 ? | 12:58 |
| Briget | like undefined refference to "jpeg_std_error(&jerr)..." | 12:58 |
| timelyx | onion: if i knew i most certainly couldn't say | 12:58 |
| timelyx | my 770s touchscreen failed because of water damage last winter | 12:58 |
| onion | ok :) | 12:58 |
| timelyx | i used it in the snow in helsinki, it was fine | 12:58 |
| timelyx | but i took it inside and in the morning, the touchscreen was dead | 12:58 |
| timelyx | i believe it's fairly rare | 12:58 |
| Briget | actually i m newbie. can you please tell me what should i do now. | 12:58 |
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| timelyx | btw, the user manual explicitly says not to do things like that :) | 12:59 |
| pupnik | undefined reference often means the required library is not being linked-in | 12:59 |
| onion | the ts on my older 770 failed nicely, just where backspace and enter is | 12:59 |
| timelyx | onion: hrm | 12:59 |
| timelyx | the n800 touchscreens were worse in that respect | 12:59 |
| onion | and like a circle in the middle of the screen | 12:59 |
| timelyx | 4.2007 had fixes for them | 12:59 |
| timelyx | if it's the same general idea, then maybe the next hacker edition (if such a thing happens) would be helpful | 13:00 |
| pupnik | does your project use a Makefile Briget ? | 13:00 |
| onion | timelyx: well, comparing with my new 770 the ts on the old was totaly broken | 13:00 |
| Briget | pupnik : would you like to have some time to give me solution. pls | 13:01 |
| Briget | ya | 13:01 |
| pupnik | i don't know what the problem is, Briget | 13:01 |
| pupnik | ok | 13:01 |
| onion | timelyx: the new just needs a slight tap, the old required much more presure | 13:01 |
| timelyx | onion: hrm,.... that's the general problem the n800s had | 13:01 |
| timelyx | but afaik no one has really reported such problems about 770s | 13:01 |
| timelyx | my 770s screen was entirely touch dead | 13:02 |
| timelyx | (presumably a short or equivalent) | 13:02 |
| timelyx | display was fine, but os 2006 doesn't support touchscreenless use, so it wasn't useful | 13:02 |
| pupnik | Briget: somewhere in your Makefile you should have -llibjpeg (i think) and if not you should look for a line where other libraries are linked - | 13:02 |
| pupnik | then add -llibjpeg to that | 13:03 |
| Briget | ok | 13:03 |
| timelyx | you may or may not need a -L too ? | 13:03 |
| onion | Briget: reporting the given error message would be good | 13:03 |
| pupnik | i can't remember the difference :/ | 13:03 |
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| guru3 | -L is a directory to search for libraries to link | 13:05 |
| onion | well, of to get some lunch | 13:05 |
| * timelyx doesn't know or care where the library lives, but the linker will :) | 13:06 | |
| guru3 | -llibname will link just that library | 13:06 |
| guru3 | probably what you want in this case | 13:06 |
| guru3 | ah -L is a directory (or list of them) in which to search for the -llib | 13:08 |
| guru3 | LIBRARY_PATH is also used | 13:08 |
| guru3 | i think, according to the man page | 13:08 |
| Briget | Pupnik: i check my makefile but there libjpeg is not included | 13:12 |
| Briget | will i add there -libjpeg ? | 13:12 |
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| lardman | -ljpeg | 13:13 |
| lardman | don't add the "lib" bit | 13:13 |
| lardman | but you do need the "-l" to tell it to link a library | 13:14 |
| Briget | hi lard man this _test . thank you for helping me | 13:14 |
| lardman | Briget: Np, did you get it working? | 13:14 |
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| Briget | ya, | 13:14 |
| lardman | good | 13:14 |
| Briget | but as i m new i face lots of problems | 13:15 |
| matmo | reflashed. Well that was not nice | 13:15 |
| lardman | Briget: Best way to learn is trying it | 13:17 |
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| Briget | ya... | 13:18 |
| lardman | kulve: You about? | 13:22 |
| lardman | kulve: Do you have any data on the speed differences between word and ipbuf transfers? | 13:22 |
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| kulve | no, I didn't check that | 13:24 |
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| lardman | I need to transfer arguments to functions on the DSP side, I could pack them and the command in a buffer, but will only fit the command in a word | 13:25 |
| lardman | With that said, I may just set aside a small amount of shared memory as a parameter buffer and get the DSP to look at the data there when it receives a command | 13:25 |
| lardman | Will save altering anything else (which is good as I've had too many re-starts now!) | 13:26 |
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| pupnik | does the DSP allow you to see the load? i.e. a 'top' command>? | 13:36 |
| lardman | pupnik: there's something similar, under the sysfs entry | 13:37 |
| lardman | /sys/devices/platform/dsp/cpuload iirc | 13:37 |
| lardman | that path may be a bit screwed up actually | 13:37 |
| pupnik | looking now - interesting stuff :) | 13:38 |
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| pupnik | path is correct but i have no cpuload on 770 it2006se | 13:39 |
| lardman | anything with cpu in it? | 13:39 |
| pupnik | cpustat shows "RUN" | 13:39 |
| pupnik | maybe i need to play something via dsp first | 13:39 |
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| lardman | no | 13:40 |
| pupnik | loadinfo - aah | 13:40 |
| lardman | my mistake, sorry | 13:40 |
| pupnik | 1min average = 123.82% idling | 13:42 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting maths there | 13:42 |
| pupnik | busiest 10ms 617% | 13:42 |
| lardman | I've got odd numbers too | 13:43 |
| pupnik | mplayer mp3dsp playback for youtube vids is around 28% | 13:47 |
| suihkulokki | youtube does not use mp3dsp, it uses pcm | 13:48 |
| lardman | you can force it to use the DSP from mplayer | 13:48 |
| lardman | at least that's what I remember | 13:48 |
| suihkulokki | ah, youre talking about mplayer, not flash | 13:48 |
| pupnik | ok. i saw a message from mplayer saying Selected audio codec: [dspmp3] afm: dspmp3 (MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770) | 13:48 |
| pupnik | so the high cpu when idle is probably just a maths error | 13:50 |
| lardman | pupnik: I imagine so, it should be in the kernel source somewhere | 13:50 |
| lardman | pupnik: Unless it's done in the avs_kernel | 13:51 |
| pupnik | well that gives a very rought idea of the performance | 13:55 |
| lardman | it's in the omap patch | 13:55 |
| lardman | though the raw data is from the DSP | 13:55 |
| lardman | http://www.muru.com/linux/omap/patches/patch-2.6.22-omap1.bz2 | 13:55 |
| lardman | for example | 13:55 |
| lardman | line 43944 - definition of loadinfo_show() | 13:56 |
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| pupnik | playering a slightly higher quality 22050khz mono mp3 gives 33% | 13:58 |
| pupnik | with gstreamer plugin | 13:58 |
| pupnik | i mean dspmp3sink | 13:58 |
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| pupnik | could the DSP map say 8MB of memory for a wave based midi player? | 14:00 |
| lardman | pupnik: Not sure how much it can map, but in theory yes | 14:01 |
| pupnik | ok. the full blown timidity can chew up to 50% of the 770 CPU, but i've also gotten some songs to play at around 12% cpu. | 14:02 |
| pupnik | so it should be doable for at least a subset of MIDI music | 14:02 |
| lardman | yeah, you should be able to send the track data to the DSP and it will return pcm data | 14:03 |
| lardman | let it do the number crunching | 14:03 |
| pupnik | yeah multi-channel sample playback is just copy, multiply, add | 14:06 |
| pupnik | pitched playback without filtering/interpolation is trivial too. then you need envelopes and loops which are also simple | 14:09 |
| lardman | you need to be able to chop up the processing into chunks so that it plays fairly with the DSP gateway | 14:09 |
| pupnik | a midi/mod player would be a great project | 14:11 |
| pupnik | ... for someone else! :P | 14:11 |
| lardman | why not you? ;) | 14:12 |
| pupnik | i'll think about it. it is tempting. | 14:12 |
| lardman | If you sketch out some code, we'll be happy to help out with the dsp link, then the next step is to make sure the code will run on the dsp | 14:13 |
| lardman | i.e. nothing smaller than 16bit data | 14:14 |
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| pupnik | ok a barebones midi player on the ARM shouldn't be too hard... will let you know if i come up with something | 14:15 |
| lardman | good good, the more the merrier! | 14:16 |
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| lardman | pupnik: Hmm, looking at midi, doesn't one need a load of pre-generated sounds available? | 14:27 |
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| lardman | Or some way of generating them, but to a specific format | 14:27 |
| Briget | lardman: in example.c outpath is outfile but i want to write the output to a char pointer how could i do that | 14:28 |
| lardman | Briget: where's the code? | 14:28 |
| _Monkey | i guess the code is clean, simple | 14:28 |
| pupnik | lardman: there are open-source / creative commons soundfonts available in 2MB, 8MB and larger sizes | 14:29 |
| Briget | in my project | 14:29 |
| lardman | Briget: Let's see it then, either an url or paste it on pastebin.com | 14:30 |
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| Briget | ok | 14:30 |
| pupnik | lardman: they can also be synthesized at load-time via various software synthesizers | 14:30 |
| lardman | pupnik: yes, that's what I was thinking | 14:30 |
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| Briget | i will paste it to pastebin | 14:30 |
| lardman | pupnik: would make the code more complex though, might be best to use existing data first of all | 14:31 |
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| pupnik | Kobo deluxe synthesizes the sounds at load time, which makes game start-up take about 5 minutes. (heh) | 14:32 |
| lardman | I was thinking of synthesis at run-time | 14:32 |
| lardman | but that would probably be too intensive | 14:33 |
| Briget | Lardman: I have pasted it. | 14:33 |
| lardman | Briget: URL? | 14:33 |
| Briget | http://pastebin.com/d32f78099 | 14:33 |
| Briget | please check it. | 14:33 |
| lardman | so what do you want to do? | 14:34 |
| Briget | ya . i want to returned the comprssed image as char pointer | 14:34 |
| lardman | write to a buffer rather than a file? | 14:35 |
| Briget | ya ya ya | 14:35 |
| Briget | you r too good man | 14:35 |
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| lardman | One presumes that by altering the dest_mgr you could write to a buffer rather than a file in a specific format | 14:38 |
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| Briget | ya | 14:40 |
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| lardman | Briget: Look in libjpeg.doc | 14:42 |
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| lardman | Briget: it tells you how to make your data destination manager | 14:43 |
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| Briget | ok , i just now libjpeg.doc again | 14:44 |
| Briget | thanks | 14:44 |
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| lardman | np | 14:44 |
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| lardman | Briget: Look at jdatadst.c which is the stdio data destination | 14:46 |
| Briget | ok, thanks | 14:46 |
| lardman | Briget: there must also be pre-written code about on the interweb | 14:49 |
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| lardman | pupnik: Did you look at that omap patch? | 14:52 |
| lardman | pupnik: Looks like the DSP load goes from 0->10000 | 14:52 |
| Briget | ya. ya. i m checking it | 14:52 |
| lardman | pupnik: I've no idea why it produces funny figures, but it's probably on the DSP itself | 14:53 |
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| pupnik | i did not.. strange! | 14:56 |
| kikka | hi+ | 14:56 |
| Briget | lardman : in jpeg_stdio_dest (j_compress_ptr cinfo, FILE * outfile) method output is written to a out file but i need to write output to buffer so can i use a buffer instead of a filea | 14:58 |
| Briget | file | 14:58 |
| lardman | Briget: Well define your own set of callback functions, and rather than writing to a file do a memcpy from the jpeg temporary buffer to your buffer | 14:59 |
| Briget | ya | 14:59 |
| Briget | thank you | 14:59 |
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| Briget | lardman: here pixbuf_data->save("image", "jpeg",err) pixbuf can be saved as ppm/bmp format rather than jpeg format ? | 15:06 |
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| robl^ | Moooooo-orning | 15:11 |
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| robl^ | What repo has libreadline for os2007? | 15:26 |
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| robl^ | I am trying to install sqllite, but the installer complains about libreadline can't be found. | 15:32 |
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| pupnik_ | repositories? | 15:36 |
| _Monkey | repositories are not just a job, but an adventure! Add some for big win! http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories | 15:36 |
| pupnik_ | repository? | 15:36 |
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| pupnik_ | repository? | 15:38 |
| _Monkey | i think repository is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 15:38 |
| pupnik_ | robl^ see the searchable index for info | 15:38 |
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| robl^ | Ahhh thanks for the searchable | 15:41 |
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| robl^ | Hrmmmm. The repo search only found libreadline5...but sqllite needs 4 | 16:00 |
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| GS | hi | 16:01 |
| pupnik | i almost always see things using 5 | 16:01 |
| pupnik | ... The superscalar processor core is said to generate almost double the performance per MHz compared to previous generation versions, featuring deeper pipelines, higher frequency and dedicated Level 2 cache. | 16:01 |
| pupnik | The processor runs at 550MHz, rather than the typical 330 MHz for the OMAP 2 processors. | 16:01 |
| GS | someone know the name of package or repository for E17 see this http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/nokia770.png | 16:01 |
| robl^ | Hai | 16:01 |
| * pupnik is getting dizzy with lust for OMAP 3430 | 16:02 | |
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| Nermal | ? | 16:03 |
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| robl^ | Hehehe | 16:03 |
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| pupnik | gonna be as fast as an anno 1999 desktop PC | 16:04 |
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| robl^ | will that be in the nokia N900 | 16:05 |
| pupnik | i don't know | 16:05 |
| pupnik | N800 is still too new for any news leaks | 16:06 |
| pupnik | but that cache and the core speed will mean good console emulation | 16:07 |
| robl^ | I look like a freak... Carrying an N800, and 2 blackberry devices...almost as many gadgets as Batman's utility belt | 16:07 |
| pupnik | why 2? | 16:08 |
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| robl^ | One is work only, other is personal...but the n800 has almost replaced the personal one | 16:09 |
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| cypherbios | ls | 16:33 |
| erstazi | cypherbios: . | 16:33 |
| erstazi | cypherbios: .. | 16:33 |
| cypherbios | ops, sorry, xchat window is not a console window :) | 16:34 |
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| GS | someone know the name of package or repository for E17 see this http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/nokia770.png ???????? | 16:37 |
| cypherbios | GS: I'm not sure, but I guess it is vnc over another Linux computer | 16:39 |
| GS | cypherbios, mmm i0m not sure | 16:40 |
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| GS | "Rasterman is doing a great work porting E17 to N800" | 16:41 |
| cypherbios | GS: in this case, forget about what I said :) | 16:41 |
| GS | hehe | 16:42 |
| GS | http://maemofr.org/viewtopic.php?id=471 | 16:42 |
| GS | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nS9kOtA7A <- WTF!! | 16:43 |
| GS | vnc? ;) | 16:43 |
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| cypherbios | GS: btw, the e17 thing looks great | 16:45 |
| keesj | GS: also check this blog http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/ for cool "e" stuff | 16:45 |
| pupnik | you might want to search internettablettalk.com for E17 | 16:46 |
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| GS | know another plugin or applet for wireless network signal??? | 16:49 |
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| pupnik | sorry GS i don't know answers. Kismet might work now. | 17:50 |
| Nermal | someone I know donated his 770 to a kismet developer to improve kismet support on the 770/800 | 17:51 |
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| timseves | Is this the right channel to ask about IT OS 2007 Hacker edition on N770? | 18:03 |
| Nermal | probably :) | 18:03 |
| Daniellion | i would try it but i cant take a full snapshot of the current os | 18:06 |
| Daniellion | wish there was a utility like ghost to just take a full clone of the internal memory | 18:06 |
| odiv | boot from rs-mmc and use different ones? | 18:08 |
| timseves | I've installed IT OS 2007 HE succesfully on a N770 and it's working very well, except that I now don't seem to be able to delete files or folders from the removable card. I can format it, create new folders and save files on it (though not copy or move them to it). Does any one know what's going on? | 18:10 |
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| timseves | I've tested the above conditions use Note and File Manager | 18:11 |
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| matmo | hi ho. Is there an ftp server for maemo apps? | 18:11 |
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| Nermal | timseves: odd :| | 18:18 |
| timeless | try xterminal | 18:18 |
| timeless | you tend to get much better errors from it | 18:25 |
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| jaek | uh, is there a windows flasher tool i can download? | 18:55 |
| cesman | yes, there is | 18:56 |
| cesman | as I don't use Windows, I don't have the link | 18:56 |
| cesman | should be on the Nokia site | 18:56 |
| jaek | official site, not maemo.org? | 18:57 |
| jaek | my 770 is acting up, cant install or update any apps | 18:58 |
| jaek | gunna flash it instead of finding the problem ;) | 18:58 |
| Daniellion | yeah | 18:58 |
| timseves | jaek: if you start at the official site and follow the links for OS upgrades there is a link to the windows tool there | 18:58 |
| Daniellion | my app list is failing | 18:58 |
| Daniellion | again | 18:58 |
| Daniellion | wish that app would just say bad url and still update the other stuff | 18:59 |
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| Daniellion | rather then just bombing out the update | 18:59 |
| jaek | timeseves thanks | 18:59 |
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| Daniellion | timeless the waht? | 18:59 |
| jaek | Download the Nokia Internet Tablet Software Update Wizard and save it to your computer. | 19:01 |
| jaek | but it doesnt have a link.... | 19:01 |
| jaek | http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410232 | 19:03 |
| jaek | where is the link... anyone see it? | 19:03 |
| jaek | nvm, i just wont update it | 19:04 |
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| jaek | Daniellion, you say that if the app manager fails to install/update it is cus of bad URLs? | 19:05 |
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| Daniellion | i think so | 19:06 |
| Daniellion | i had to put iin some url's | 19:06 |
| jaek | http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe | 19:06 |
| Daniellion | for updates | 19:06 |
| jaek | direct download ;) | 19:06 |
| jaek | had to use google, cant find it using nokia's website | 19:07 |
| Daniellion | nifty | 19:07 |
| Daniellion | goiong on my flash drive | 19:08 |
| Daniellion | too bad they don't have a mac version | 19:08 |
| jaek | anyone know what is the best upnp video player to use on a 770? | 19:10 |
| jaek | got to catch up on my monk episodes | 19:11 |
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| eijk | Hi! | 19:18 |
| jaek | does the windows software updater differ for the 770 and the 800? | 19:19 |
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| jaek | i never updated this in windows... holding down the "home" key does nothing | 19:24 |
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| Daniellion | is this jsut update whts on there ? or does it list packages to install too? | 19:29 |
| jaek | i'm trying to flash it | 19:30 |
| jaek | with the windows software | 19:30 |
| jaek | wow, this windows update software is retarded | 19:33 |
| jaek | now it is telling me my windows clock is not right | 19:33 |
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| timseves | timeless: I can delete files using the xterminal from the mmc card that I cannot delete using the File Manager | 19:46 |
| timseves | timeless: very odd | 19:46 |
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| timseves | timeless: is it possible that my IT OS 2006 backup which got restored when I upgraded could be interfering? | 19:47 |
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| odiv | I want lunch. | 20:06 |
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| robl^ | Lunch is overrated | 20:09 |
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| jaeek | anyone know where i could get a replacement stylus for the 770? | 20:13 |
| jaeek | my nephew lost both of mine | 20:13 |
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| tru | hey, I have problem setting up sbox2 for maemo. (I need sbox2 because I have a ia64 linux box). | 20:22 |
| tru | sb2-init runs fine but then it craps out when I am trying to apt-get packages. | 20:22 |
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| odiv | So what online radio do you guys listen to with this? | 20:25 |
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| suihkulokki | tru: you need to use the emu mode | 20:25 |
| tru | suihkulokki: ok? I just followed the guide in the INSTALL file of sbox2. any hints? | 20:26 |
| suihkulokki | sb2 -e apt-get update | 20:27 |
| suihkulokki | tru ^ | 20:27 |
| robl^ | Coast to coast radio. Need to listen about time traveling aliens trying to control humans with bio-engineered fake chocolate | 20:27 |
| suihkulokki | tru: -> #scratchbox , I don't think anyone has tried ising IA64 host | 20:28 |
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| tru | suihkulokki: thanks. | 20:32 |
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| roope | the new iPod Touch. :) With Wifi. | 20:38 |
| robl^ | Does it run Linux? :-) | 20:40 |
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| timeless | who wants to run linux? | 20:40 |
| ezod | hi, i'm trying to get a devel environment set up according to the maemo 2.2 tutorial | 20:40 |
| timeless | linux is for people who like poor quality software | 20:40 |
| ezod | so before i go any farther | 20:40 |
| ezod | is that what i should be doing if i want to develop for the 770? | 20:41 |
| celesteh | trolling is timeless | 20:41 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ | 20:41 |
| timeless | seems like gregale is indeed the latest 770 official platform | 20:41 |
| timeless | _monkey forget trolling | 20:42 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot trolling | 20:42 |
| timeless | _monkey trolling is <reply> | 20:42 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 20:42 |
| ezod | right | 20:42 |
| ezod | so i'm working through the tutorial and there's inconsistencies - e.g., xephyr is nowhere to be found in the rootstrap tarball it specifies | 20:45 |
| ezod | so i work around (xnest in that case) | 20:45 |
| roope | Like the iPhone, without the phone. That's quite... overlapping the tablets. | 20:45 |
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| timeless | ezod: be warned | 20:46 |
| timeless | getting xnest to have the right quirky resolutions and stuff is hard | 20:46 |
| ezod | well i suppose i can try to get xephyr going, but like i said, its not in the rootstrap :) | 20:47 |
| ezod | regardless | 20:47 |
| ezod | http://glorfindel.homeip.net/~aaron/maemo_error.txt | 20:47 |
| ezod | thats what im stuck on now | 20:47 |
| ezod | and google is no help | 20:47 |
| timeless | roope: where's this new ipod? | 20:47 |
| timeless | ezod: i hit that when i was trying to use scratchbox | 20:47 |
| timeless | fwiw, sh -x af-sb-init.sh start | 20:48 |
| timeless | can be kinda like a friend | 20:48 |
| timeless | actually, sh -x `which af-sb-init.sh` start | 20:48 |
| timeless | iirc some variable isn't properly set | 20:48 |
| timeless | and it gets confused and does something moderately supid | 20:48 |
| ezod | thats been the story with every problem ive had so far | 20:49 |
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| ezod | well thanks, ill take a look | 20:49 |
| ezod | btw, what did you mean by "when i was trying to use scratchbox"? | 20:49 |
| ezod | is there another supported environment? | 20:50 |
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| Id3rfix | hello boys | 20:50 |
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| Id3rfix | i got a problem with nokia 770 | 20:50 |
| Id3rfix | i have installed kismet | 20:51 |
| Id3rfix | then when i do sudo gainroot | 20:51 |
| Id3rfix | and after i write kismet | 20:52 |
| Id3rfix | i receive a reply as | 20:52 |
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| Id3rfix | /usr/bin/kismet_server: error while loadiy [1] + Done (127) ${BIN} /ki } | 20:57 |
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| Id3rfix | this is the error that i see on the shell | 20:58 |
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| ezod | ok, so i figured out what it is (problem above) | 21:04 |
| ezod | /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner complains the file doesn't exist for cpu transparency method | 21:05 |
| ezod | im not using qemu-arm or whatever because the tutorial specified to use 'none' | 21:05 |
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| Blacksitox | hi :) | 21:06 |
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| Id3rfix | where can i find the old file kismet2006 ? | 21:11 |
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| jaeek | i'm trying to use canola with tversity | 21:39 |
| jaeek | when i go to shared video, it just sits there with the status indicator twirling.... | 21:39 |
| jaeek | i have the windows firewall open for tversity | 21:39 |
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| jaeek | nvm got it | 21:49 |
| MKB | might be just me, but i think the n800 just got a bad beating from this.. http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/05/ipod-touch-gets-official/ | 21:53 |
| lle2 | uhhuh x) | 21:57 |
| MKB | sure it can't do all the things than the n800 can, but the way it does it's thing is quite something | 21:58 |
| lle2 | great, now we can do the UI design the only feasible way that gets results, clone from apple | 21:59 |
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| MKB | lle2: :) | 22:02 |
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| lle2 | I hope we can do that without someone having any ego issues about it, like trying to insist that the tablet is really a PC and should have the windows level of usability problems | 22:06 |
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| theril | I happen to think that apple UI's suck for all but simplest morons | 22:08 |
| lle2 | I'm happy to be a simple moron when I'm not working | 22:09 |
| lle2 | I don't like to solve problems just to check email | 22:09 |
| theril | And if you like doing something a bit differently than Apple Way(TM), you're screwed | 22:10 |
| lle2 | yeah, but that's because the Apple Way is pretty good, if it's not for you, don't bother fighting it, get something else | 22:11 |
| theril | For example the Finder is endless source of frustration | 22:11 |
| lle2 | show me a file manager that isn't | 22:11 |
| theril | zsh ;) | 22:11 |
| lle2 | yeah | 22:11 |
| theril | And with this fanboying spreading, I'm afraid that soon there's nothing else to get | 22:12 |
| lle2 | not apple's fault | 22:12 |
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| lle2 | I don't understand how it can be good business practise for everybody else to make total piece of shit laptops | 22:13 |
| lle2 | even the traditional safe haven of thinkpads has been ruined | 22:14 |
| procto | that's why I use the n800 | 22:15 |
| procto | xterm | 22:15 |
| procto | ssh | 22:15 |
| theril | I don't really have opinion on that, because I've never used laptop that isn't hell to use | 22:15 |
| procto | I'm sitting in class right now :> | 22:15 |
| procto | I replaced my laptop with the n800 and a desktop | 22:15 |
| lle2 | theril: computers suck, that's why it's funny that we (nokia) insist on that bizarre multimedia computer thing | 22:16 |
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| theril | lle2: I don't think that computers suck much more than any other electrical devices | 22:23 |
| celesteh | i dunno. my lamp is very solidly reliable | 22:24 |
| celesteh | only have to change the bulb once every few years | 22:25 |
| celesteh | very portable | 22:25 |
| theril | My lamps burn in about a month | 22:26 |
| celesteh | you need those compact flourescent bulbs | 22:26 |
| theril | In fact I didn't have a lamp in my bedroom for whole summer, because I got tired of changing them | 22:26 |
| theril | Yeah, I have one now :) | 22:26 |
| procto | glasses suck, too, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't wear them if I needed them | 22:26 |
| procto | so we're stuck for computers | 22:26 |
| procto | s/for/with/ | 22:27 |
| infobot | procto meant: so we're stuck with computers | 22:27 |
| lle2 | almost anything that has software in it is bound to suck | 22:27 |
| celesteh | wow an infobot and a monkey. | 22:27 |
| procto | who's the monkey? | 22:28 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... the monkey is a not-very-smart bot | 22:28 |
| theril | I have eyeglasses and I almost never use them | 22:28 |
| procto | ah | 22:28 |
| lle2 | monkey is an idiot | 22:28 |
| procto | theril: well, there ya go | 22:28 |
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| eijk | Hi! Is anybody here who is suffering from the memory corruption instabilities related to WLAN use on the 770 (see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820)? | 22:46 |
| eijk | I might have a workaround... | 22:46 |
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| disq | so when's the price drop on the n800? :P | 22:57 |
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| disq | oh, hi btw | 22:58 |
| ||cw | or some new killer app for it... the new ipod with wifi and safari and 16GB at $399 is stiff competition | 22:59 |
| ||cw | if the ipod had bluetooth I think I'd be sold | 23:00 |
| celesteh | can the ipod run gps software? i got my n800 to be a bike computer | 23:00 |
| WhisperingVoices | presumably you have it hooked up to a GPS phone | 23:02 |
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| celesteh | no, i use the nokie GPS bluetooth dongle | 23:08 |
| ||cw | celesteh: not right now, but it's only a matter of time. I'm guessing the iphone unlock will work on it with minimal mods at most | 23:10 |
| ||cw | yeah, bt gps, I took my 770 on a canoe trip with google maps sat images for the map, was pretty cool | 23:11 |
| celesteh | well, unless you get a wifi-enabled bluetooth dongle, you'll have to wait for a future revision | 23:12 |
| celesteh | their hot new feature at apple is strabucks integration. that just . . sucks. | 23:12 |
| keesj | I solved this problem earlyer but I really don't rember how. I am updating a repository and the "icons" are not put in the Packages.gz | 23:13 |
| keesj | I used: dpkg-scanpackages -m repository /dev/null | 23:14 |
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