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| pupnik_ | oh yeah ... NeoStrider uname -m will give you cpu info, but uname -p says 'unknown' | 00:01 |
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| NeoStrider | 320! =-O | 00:01 |
| NeoStrider | i mean from a C app | 00:01 |
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| pupnik_ | there should be a way to see /proc/cpuinfo from c | 00:02 |
| NeoStrider | (other than reading a file, of course ;-) ) | 00:03 |
| timelyx | fopen :) | 00:03 |
| pupnik_ | you have 770 - that's good. Once it runs fast on a 770 it will run fast on a N800 | 00:04 |
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| NeoStrider | yeah...it runs great in a N800 , from what I heard | 00:05 |
| NeoStrider | but i was a long time ago | 00:05 |
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| NeoStrider | so I dont know about the newest release | 00:06 |
| pupnik_ | when i first saw my friend's 3d engine i thought 'this is never going to work fast enough' but he got it running on a p2 | 00:07 |
| timelyx | hrm | 00:09 |
| timelyx | lle2: ping | 00:09 |
| erstazi | the serial in /proc/cpuinfo is the same serial as on the label right | 00:10 |
| erstazi | ? | 00:10 |
| timelyx | what label? | 00:12 |
| timelyx | i have what looks like an n800, but the serial in cpuinfo doesn't seem likely | 00:13 |
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| NeoStrider | my serial doesnt match the label, I guess | 00:16 |
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| pskr | timelyx: I tried dpkg-buildpackage, but got these errors. http://pastebin.com/m67d6c349 | 00:18 |
| timelyx | so whose libidl did you install, and which version, and how? | 00:19 |
| timelyx | you do need *someone's* | 00:19 |
| pskr | i re-installed thru aptitude install libidl-dev. I did the same for quilt, bc | 00:20 |
| timelyx | what version? | 00:20 |
| timelyx | and pastebin what it provides | 00:20 |
| pskr | If I try the same within scratchbox, it is cribbing. | 00:21 |
| pskr | OK | 00:21 |
| timelyx | dpkg -L or -l or something | 00:21 |
| timelyx | i'm confused | 00:21 |
| timelyx | where precisely arey ou doing this aptitude stuff | 00:21 |
| timelyx | on the host or in scratchbox? | 00:21 |
| timelyx | you can't do it on host if you expect things to work | 00:21 |
| pskr | on the host | 00:21 |
| timelyx | you can run aptitude in the scratchbox if you're so inclined | 00:21 |
| pskr | OK. but in scratchbox it is failing. | 00:21 |
| timelyx | arg | 00:22 |
| timelyx | what's wrong w/ the svn libidl i pointed to? | 00:22 |
| timelyx | it's part of the microb sources | 00:22 |
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| pskr | how can I use that? [sorry I seem dumb] | 00:25 |
| timelyx | it's another deb source directory | 00:26 |
| timelyx | you buildpackage in it the same way you build package in microb-engine | 00:26 |
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| prodigel2 | Hi. I believe I'm on the wrong channel, but it's the closest one to what I search: discussions on nokia menus, particularry voice commands, and possible customisation. Are you aware of channels that could help me? | 00:29 |
| pskr | timelyx: so should I download the directory you pointed me to? I did apt-get source libidl-dev, but it fails. | 00:29 |
| timelyx | err | 00:29 |
| timelyx | what did you svn checkout? | 00:29 |
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| pskr | OK OK. so you are saying do buildpackage in SVN's libidl. i will try that | 00:30 |
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| NeoStrider | cya folks | 00:32 |
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| pskr | timelyx: http://pastebin.com/me6130ba shows the things I tried and the error I am getting. | 00:36 |
| timelyx | yn | 00:37 |
| timelyx | apt-get install flex | 00:37 |
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| pskr | E: Couldn't find package flex | 00:40 |
| pskr | . :-( Should I try it in host? I searched at the URL u sent, no flex there. | 00:40 |
| timelyx | not in host | 00:42 |
| timelyx | go find a debsrc for it | 00:42 |
| pskr | OK | 00:42 |
| timelyx | and build it in scratchbox | 00:42 |
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| timelyx | pretend you don't have a host | 00:42 |
| pskr | Will do. thanks. | 00:42 |
| timelyx | it'll make your life much simpler | 00:42 |
| timelyx | and given that it's 1am and i have a vacation to plan ... | 00:42 |
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| pupnik_ | i found flex somewhere | 00:45 |
| Gs | Hi from n770 | 00:45 |
| mvhtes1 | Anyone able to view this page in micro-b on N800 and confirm if drag scrolling works - it seems stuck in text select mode here: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2691913,00.html | 00:45 |
| timelyx | mvhtes1: did you disable flash? | 00:46 |
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| pskr | pupnik_: do you remember where? | 00:46 |
| timelyx | or Milhous1, whichever | 00:46 |
| Milhous1 | Flash is enabled | 00:47 |
| Milhous1 | Drag scroll works for pages on other sites | 00:47 |
| pupnik_ | pksr it's in one of my repositories - some guy built it - want a PM? | 00:47 |
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| Gs | Milhous1, how to!! | 00:47 |
| timelyx | Milhous1: so disable it | 00:48 |
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| Milhous1 | Just wanted confirmation before filing a bug, could be something wierd going on with that site | 00:48 |
| timelyx | don't file a bug before disabling flash | 00:48 |
| Milhous1 | OK hang on | 00:48 |
| timelyx | ok people, you're all losing canconfirm NNOW | 00:48 |
| pskr | pupnik: PM == personal mail? | 00:49 |
| timelyx | private messagfe | 00:49 |
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| pskr | pupnik: Sure. thanks. | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | pm sent - it is in one of those repositories | 00:50 |
| GS_ | i can install flash on 770 version 8? | 00:50 |
| Milhous1 | timeless: disabling Flash made no difference | 00:50 |
| timelyx | Milhous1: ok | 00:50 |
| timelyx | be sure to note that when you file ... | 00:50 |
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| Milhous1 | Timeless: Is it the same for you? | 00:51 |
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| GS_ | what is yours group? | 00:51 |
| timelyx | Gs: huh? | 00:51 |
| GS_ | maemotube? | 00:52 |
| timelyx | there is no flash 8 for any maemo platform | 00:52 |
| GS_ | group fot develop flash...? | 00:52 |
| timelyx | anyone who buys a nokia n800 can install flash 9 on microb on a 770 running the latest os for it... | 00:52 |
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| pupnik | do sites require flash9? my old flash sites do not | 00:53 |
| milhouse | back at the desktop now... can't face filing a bug from the n800 itself :) | 00:53 |
| timelyx | milhouse: bah | 00:53 |
| timelyx | i did a major portion of the bugs.maemo.org reorg from my n800 | 00:53 |
| milhouse | my wrist hurts after a while on the sofa lying on my back with the n800 in the air :) | 00:53 |
| timelyx | milhouse: is this the left or right column? | 00:53 |
| timelyx | the right column has lots of iframes (or something like them) | 00:54 |
| milhouse | if i drag the text to scroll the page it just selects the text | 00:54 |
| milhouse | in the left column | 00:54 |
| milhouse | the main story | 00:54 |
| GS_ | timelyx, from http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ ? | 00:54 |
| timelyx | gs: i wrote that article, yes | 00:54 |
| GS_ | ;) sure | 00:54 |
| GS_ | you are timeless ? | 00:55 |
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| timelyx | yes | 00:55 |
| timelyx | and timelE61i | 00:55 |
| _Monkey | i guess timelE61i is well, your phone or timeless using a nokia e61i (blueberry) | 00:55 |
| timelyx | _Monkey, me? | 00:56 |
| _Monkey | somebody said timelyx was your mac, it has scrollback | 00:56 |
| GS_ | om ;) | 00:56 |
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| timelyx | milhouse: that page is heavy | 00:56 |
| timelyx | did you wait for it to finish loading? | 00:56 |
| milhouse | yep | 00:56 |
| timelyx | please also try w/ js disabled :) | 00:57 |
| milhouse | didn't think it was that bad - i've seen worse | 00:57 |
| milhouse | ok, will try that now | 00:57 |
| timelyx | you're not using my cell phone | 00:57 |
| timelyx | my wifi router decided i didn't need to know the password | 00:57 |
| timelyx | so i can't use wifi from here :) | 00:57 |
| timelyx | ok, that page crashed my browser | 00:57 |
| milhouse | disabling js seems to have fixed it now - it drag scrolls | 00:57 |
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| timelyx | ok. well, um | 00:58 |
| milhouse | re-enabling and reloading... | 00:58 |
| timelyx | anyway, if you do file this bug, let's make an example out of it | 00:58 |
| timelyx | i.e. in your description, note that you encountered the problem, you tried disabling flash, the problem still happened | 00:58 |
| timelyx | you tried disabling javascript, the problem went away | 00:59 |
| milhouse | yep, js is the key | 00:59 |
| milhouse | um ok - don't shoot me though :) | 00:59 |
| timelyx | the next step of course, ideally is to save the page and cut out pieces of content | 00:59 |
| timelyx | you can try literally cutting the html file in half | 00:59 |
| timelyx | until the problem goes away/comes back | 00:59 |
| milhouse | they must be doing something silly with the dom? | 00:59 |
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| timelyx | they could be | 00:59 |
| timelyx | anyway, ideally for problems like this, you end up w/ a single html file w/ < 50 lines | 01:00 |
| timelyx | and at most 1 js file w/ < 50 lines | 01:00 |
| milhouse | i'll have a go, but it could be legitimate (ie. not a bug) if the site is doing something stupid | 01:00 |
| timelyx | i'm perfectly fine w/ you attaching files to bugs.maemo as you go reducing the problem | 01:00 |
| timelyx | yeah | 01:00 |
| timelyx | i don't really mind | 01:00 |
| timelyx | as long as you show people how to analyze such bugs | 01:01 |
| timelyx | it's a win | 01:01 |
| milhouse | let me see what's in the page... | 01:01 |
| GS_ | microb work fine on 770? | 01:01 |
| timelyx | gs: it requires a newer version of the os than i run on my 770 :( | 01:01 |
| timelyx | and i haven't spent the time to fight the dependencies | 01:01 |
| GS_ | ouch | 01:02 |
| timelyx | i did it for 3.2007, but i don't really see much point in dealing w/ 2.2006 | 01:02 |
| pskr | pupnik: it was in http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free flex 2.5.31-31osso1 [274kB] [if you care] | 01:02 |
| timelyx | i might as well consider installing 2007he | 01:02 |
| pupnik | how did you find which repo contained it pskr? | 01:02 |
| GS_ | i'm downloading microb on OS06 770 | 01:03 |
| GS_ | 7,62M | 01:04 |
| pskr | pupnik: I added what you sent me to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install flex. the output showed the repo. | 01:05 |
| pupnik | ah ok thx | 01:05 |
| timelyx | pupnik: you should be able to use apt-cache policy or something | 01:05 |
| pupnik | apt-cache show or policy gives a hint but not the repo - just the dir | 01:06 |
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| pupnik | flex? | 01:07 |
| _Monkey | flex is (for 770) echo " http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free flex" >> /etc/apt/sources list && apt-get update && apt-get install flex | 01:07 |
| sp3000 | apt-cache showpkg gives you the /var/lib/apt/lists/ file that a version is found in, which ironically indicates more of the repo path | 01:07 |
| sp3000 | (along with a load of other cruft) | 01:07 |
| pupnik | thanks sp3000 | 01:08 |
| timelyx | sp3000; which reminds me | 01:08 |
| milhouse | that sky spage is a nigthmare to debug... most of the js has had the newlines stripped and some js is pulled in dynamically... eugh | 01:10 |
| GS_ | i installed microb but what is the exe? | 01:11 |
| timelyx | gs: the globe | 01:11 |
| GS_ | om | 01:11 |
| milhouse | they mess with some window events but the code has been obfuscated | 01:11 |
| timelyx | milhouse: yeah well | 01:12 |
| timelyx | milhouse: got a C compiler? | 01:12 |
| milhouse | i'm guessing this isn't strictly a bug, just a whacky web site | 01:12 |
| milhouse | sadly, no | 01:12 |
| timelyx | hrm | 01:13 |
| timelyx | this /might/ work | 01:13 |
| timelyx | try it: | 01:13 |
| timelyx | at the beginning of one of the js files, add: | 01:13 |
| timelyx | function z() { | 01:13 |
| timelyx | at the very end, add: | 01:13 |
| timelyx | } | 01:13 |
| timelyx | make an html file: | 01:13 |
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| timelyx | <html><script src="evil.js"></script><script>window.location="data:text/plain,"+z;</script> | 01:14 |
| timelyx | that should give you something slightly less obfuscated | 01:15 |
| milhouse | ok, i'll have a go - thanks | 01:15 |
| timelyx | you can then copy out individual functions and try to get the same process to clean them up | 01:15 |
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| milhouse | will it convert function name "aq" into something more meaningful? ;) | 01:15 |
| timelyx | sorry | 01:16 |
| milhouse | only kidding | 01:16 |
| timelyx | mostly it'll reinflate the code ... adding whitespace | 01:16 |
| milhouse | this is great... function names _A, _B, _C, _D... it's only a freaking sports news site | 01:16 |
| milhouse | what are they worried about | 01:16 |
| timelyx | it might be java | 01:16 |
| timelyx | ie gwt | 01:17 |
| milhouse | could be - says it's copyright WEBSIDESTORY INC. | 01:17 |
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| timelyx | but seriously, you can start by literally wiping out entire js files | 01:17 |
| timelyx | you shouldn't need to have to reverse engineer the whole thing | 01:17 |
| DaniloCesar | _Monkey, see Tony Maro | 01:17 |
| _Monkey | DaniloCesar: excuse me? | 01:17 |
| milhouse | though that's just one example out of about about 15 different js files | 01:17 |
| DaniloCesar | _Monkey, see Tony Maro ? | 01:17 |
| _Monkey | danilocesar: no idea | 01:17 |
| timelyx | sp3000: you have grant(editbugs) | 01:18 |
| DaniloCesar | _Monkey, Tony Maro | 01:18 |
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| _Monkey | DaniloCesar: sorry... | 01:18 |
| timelyx | if people get stuck, give it out as appropriate | 01:18 |
| sp3000 | k | 01:18 |
| GS_ | "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv5tejl; es-ES; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20070810 Firefox/3.0a1 Maemo browser 0.4.34 N770/SU-18" "-" | 01:18 |
| GS_ | cool ;) | 01:18 |
| timelyx | spanish? | 01:19 |
| GS_ | yes | 01:19 |
| timelyx | actually | 01:19 |
| timelyx | that's uncool | 01:19 |
| timelyx | the nokia tableteer site won't like y ou | 01:19 |
| GS_ | yes it0s crash | 01:19 |
| timelyx | even if we do get them to fix microb support for n800 | 01:19 |
| GS_ | om | 01:20 |
| * timelyx sighs | 01:20 | |
| timelyx | sp3000: remind me today to yell at them? :( | 01:20 |
| sp3000 | tableteer? | 01:20 |
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| timelyx | yeah | 01:22 |
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| TomCreer | I want a SIP softphone for my 770 :( | 01:28 |
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| milhouse | timeless: this seems to be the problem - http://pastebin.ca/674106 | 01:43 |
| timelE61i | sorry, sleepy time | 01:44 |
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| milhouse | ok np... will work on a very simplified case some more | 01:46 |
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| pskr | timelyx: build seems to be complete. but with lots of scary warnings. How can I check if the build is successful? Should I do /microb-engine-1.0.3/build-tree/obj-edyn-arm-sb-buildgtk2/dist/bin/run_mozilla.sh? | 01:50 |
| pskr | as I built for SDK_ARMEL, will it work on pc (debian) or do I need to build again for SDK_X86? | 01:50 |
| milhouse | timeless: yep, not a bug in micro-b... the web page is subverting the mouse. self contained test page here http://217.155.26.150/public/pda/sky/index.html | 01:51 |
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| ekim\770 | Hey , has anyone gotten an alternate window manager working on the 770 ? | 02:06 |
| NeoStrider | would love to see that | 02:07 |
| NeoStrider | I saw some videos of kde , blackbox and window maker running | 02:07 |
| NeoStrider | but it was far too complicated to make | 02:07 |
| ekim\770 | b..b.blackbox | 02:08 |
| ekim\770 | thats my favorite wm | 02:08 |
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| ekim\770 | Does anyone know how to make Maemo xchat go fullscreen | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fullscreen button doesn't work? | 02:09 |
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| ekim\770 | no | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I don't have a clue. ;) | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works on my N800 | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall which of the two ports I'm using | 02:09 |
| ekim\770 | damn | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | "the one that worked" | 02:09 |
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| ekim\770 | there is more than one port | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I _think_ that's the one I have | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall where the other one is. | 02:10 |
| ekim\770 | are they both called the same thing | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Xchat :/ | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect al little googling will turn up something | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The BAD one points to the good one on its website. | 02:12 |
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| ekim\770 | hmm | 02:13 |
| ekim\770 | is that link the good one | 02:13 |
| erstazi | xchat? | 02:14 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... xchat is a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ | 02:14 |
| erstazi | I was talking to monkey btw | 02:14 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: you have the one that cannot do full screen? there is an Xchat that can go full screen | 02:15 |
| ekim\770 | I think that is the one I am using | 02:15 |
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| ekim\770 | where do i get this "good" one | 02:15 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: looking | 02:15 |
| erstazi | I had it before | 02:15 |
| erstazi | found it | 02:16 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/ | 02:16 |
| ekim\770 | I have a 770 | 02:16 |
| ekim\770 | will it work on os 2006 | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | ugh. my server had a ram failure a half hour after I left for work this morning. | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | Didn't get it fixed until just now (got home). ugh. | 02:17 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: I have the same as you (: | 02:17 |
| ekim\770 | What's your website? | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | kagu? | 02:17 |
| _Monkey | well, kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | ah. https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki | 02:18 |
| ekim\770 | you made kagu | 02:18 |
| ekim\770 | nice | 02:18 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: trevarthan is the one | 02:18 |
| erstazi | I tried to help with the theme but unique311 finished it | 02:18 |
| erstazi | I became to busy to help with it in the end | 02:18 |
| trevarthan | you should make us a new one. :) | 02:18 |
| erstazi | sorry, trevarthan for letting you down before | 02:18 |
| erstazi | haha | 02:18 |
| ekim\770 | you think you can add podcasting :) | 02:19 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: is positioning important in a theme for kagu? | 02:19 |
| ekim\770 | and UPnP | 02:19 |
| erstazi | I never did a theme for Hildon let alone GNOME | 02:19 |
| trevarthan | ekim\770: I can, but I've got lots to do before then. You could add it if you know how to code. It's a community project. | 02:19 |
| * pupnik cracks the whip... snes emulator! | 02:19 | |
| erstazi | pupnik: heh | 02:20 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: it is right now. we can/plan to change that though. | 02:20 |
| ekim\770 | is it written in c? | 02:20 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: kagu isn't gnome. It's SDL. | 02:20 |
| trevarthan | ekim\770: nope, python. | 02:20 |
| ekim\770 | ohh | 02:20 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: well, not to take your time, but when you are not busy, just send me the information about it, like co-ordinances and what not | 02:20 |
| ekim\770 | I can help then | 02:20 |
| ekim\770 | yay | 02:20 |
| trevarthan | :) double yay! | 02:20 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: well, I meant hildonizing but I forgot Karu doesn't follow it... SDL... I will have to read up on that | 02:20 |
| trevarthan | welcome aboard. | 02:21 |
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| ekim\770 | ill hack around with it this weekend | 02:21 |
| ekim\770 | don't get too excited | 02:21 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: the only python I have done was for server-side (: | 02:21 |
| ekim\770 | I am a python noob | 02:21 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: just take a look at the current theme's psd file: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/data/resources/sprites.psd | 02:21 |
| trevarthan | (click the download link) | 02:21 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: on it | 02:21 |
| ekim\770 | but its the best langage I know | 02:22 |
| trevarthan | ekim\770: python is easy to pick up. yeah. I'm a fan too. | 02:22 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: its a very good language | 02:22 |
| ekim\770 | totally | 02:22 |
| erstazi | for server-side it is very promising | 02:22 |
| ekim\770 | my favorite | 02:22 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: you guys are using svn? I am glad you are | 02:22 |
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| trevarthan | ekim\770: I puke my little programmer's guts out every time I go to work in the morning and have to write PHP instead of Python. :( | 02:23 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: yeah. Big fan of SVN for small projects. And Trac. | 02:23 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: well, I use php myself for my work... it can be a pain, less object orientated (way less than python) but if you know the security holes, you can work *some* magic out of it | 02:23 |
| erstazi | but against asp vs php, any day php | 02:23 |
| ekim\770 | I like to use bzr | 02:24 |
| erstazi | bzr is nice as well | 02:24 |
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| trevarthan | I've used asp and asp.net and php and python. Python, then PHP, then ASP.NET, then classic asp, in order of preference. | 02:26 |
| trevarthan | I do some Perl too, but only when I have to. | 02:27 |
| ekim\770 | man, I wish I could go fullscreen | 02:27 |
| ekim\770 | this is bugging me | 02:27 |
| trevarthan | why can't you? | 02:27 |
| trevarthan | which app? | 02:27 |
| ekim\770 | xchat | 02:27 |
| trevarthan | hmmm... goes fullscreen here.... | 02:28 |
| ekim\770 | really | 02:28 |
| trevarthan | yeah. just tested it. | 02:29 |
| trevarthan | you on an n800? | 02:29 |
| ekim\770 | 770 | 02:29 |
| trevarthan | oh. | 02:29 |
| trevarthan | that probably has something to do with it. :( | 02:29 |
| ekim\770 | I could not afford sn n800 | 02:29 |
| ekim\770 | :) | 02:29 |
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| trevarthan | yeah, they certainly aren't cheap. | 02:30 |
| trevarthan | cost as much as four sticks of the ram I just lost. :) | 02:30 |
| ekim\770 | What did you buy it for | 02:30 |
| trevarthan | the ram? | 02:31 |
| _Monkey | the ram is a big difference just in terms of the number of things you can open up at once. | 02:31 |
| ekim\770 | I think its a cool security tool | 02:31 |
| trevarthan | oh. the n800? | 02:31 |
| _Monkey | the n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) | 02:31 |
| trevarthan | SHUT UP MONKEY! | 02:31 |
| trevarthan | stupid bot. | 02:31 |
| ekim\770 | nmap,kismet,metasploit,aircrack | 02:31 |
| ekim\770 | :) | 02:31 |
| trevarthan | web browsing, chat, a2dp, kagu, SSH. that's my reasons | 02:32 |
| trevarthan | in no particular order | 02:32 |
| ekim\770 | yeah , what did you buy it for? | 02:32 |
| milhouse | stop abusing monkey! :) | 02:32 |
| trevarthan | see above | 02:32 |
| ekim\770 | a2dp | 02:32 |
| ekim\770 | sounds familiar | 02:32 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: put that heap of junk into "speak when spoken to" mode. | 02:33 |
| milhouse | i think it is... | 02:33 |
| milhouse | maybe | 02:33 |
| milhouse | well i could | 02:33 |
| trevarthan | I think not | 02:33 |
| milhouse | as i guess it's not | 02:33 |
| ekim\770 | what is a2dp | 02:33 |
| _Monkey | i think a2dp is available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu | 02:33 |
| ekim\770 | nice | 02:33 |
| milhouse | if i put him speak-when-spoken-to mode that wouldn't have happened :) | 02:33 |
| milhouse | him in | 02:33 |
| trevarthan | yeah yeah. point taken. | 02:34 |
| ekim\770 | I still don't know what it is | 02:34 |
| milhouse | trevarthan can explain :) | 02:34 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: is there a "learn when spoken to" mode? | 02:34 |
| milhouse | the link that monkey just gave you allows you to install a2dp without too much trouble | 02:34 |
| * ekim\770 is listening | 02:34 | |
| trevarthan | a2dp is also bluetooth stereo audio. | 02:34 |
| _Monkey | okay, trevarthan. | 02:34 |
| trevarthan | what is a2dp? | 02:34 |
| milhouse | umm... i think there's 3 modes - required, optional and something else | 02:34 |
| _Monkey | somebody said a2dp was available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu or bluetooth stereo audio. | 02:34 |
| ekim\770 | but what IS it | 02:35 |
| milhouse | advanced audio d-something profile | 02:35 |
| trevarthan | damn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2DP | 02:35 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: don't harass _Monkey, I feed it banana chips at night... | 02:35 |
| erstazi | and buffalo chips but don't tell milhouse.... | 02:35 |
| erstazi | oh hi milhouse | 02:35 |
| * trevarthan sulks | 02:35 | |
| ekim\770 | I still don't know | 02:36 |
| ekim\770 | what does it do | 02:36 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: sucks the brains out of you | 02:36 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey. | 02:36 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan? | 02:36 |
| _Monkey | i heard trevarthan was guardiani. It's trevarthan's last name. | 02:36 |
| milhouse | trevarthan - no, there's only two modes: required and optional. it's currently set to optional. no learning mode. | 02:36 |
| trevarthan | forget trevarthan | 02:36 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan | 02:36 |
| straind | Speaking of "listening", is anyone using Kismet and flite and noticing that flite talks over itself even if there's only one network? | 02:36 |
| milhouse | hi erstazi | 02:36 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey. | 02:36 |
| ekim\770 | why would anyone use that !! | 02:36 |
| straind | bbl | 02:36 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan? | 02:36 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey. | 02:36 |
| trevarthan | forget trevarthan | 02:36 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan | 02:36 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey | 02:37 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan? | 02:37 |
| _Monkey | well, trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey | 02:37 |
| trevarthan | forget trevarthan | 02:37 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan | 02:37 |
| milhouse | damn, monkey's going to have to go on the treadmill | 02:37 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse me | 02:37 |
| trevarthan | trevarthan? | 02:37 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse me | 02:37 |
| trevarthan | there we go | 02:37 |
| ekim\770 | fine ... then don't tell me | 02:37 |
| erstazi | milhouse: just playing with ya, how are you? | 02:37 |
| erstazi | ekim\770: A2DP? | 02:37 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... A2DP is available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu or bluetooth stereo audio. | 02:37 |
| pskr | timelyx: my PC crashed. | 02:37 |
| trevarthan | ekim\770: it's handy. the cords on your earbuds never get on your nerves? | 02:37 |
| pskr | timelyx: I asked if you knew how to verify if my microb build was successful. | 02:38 |
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| milhouse | erstazi: i'm good thanks | 02:39 |
| trevarthan | every time I type \770 I feel like I'm escaping a hex number or something. | 02:39 |
| trevarthan | It's disconcerting. | 02:39 |
| milhouse | trevarthan - did you see the a2dp bug has changed? apparently the current bluez stack now supports a2dp, funded by nokia... | 02:40 |
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| milhouse | bug 474 | 02:40 |
| _Monkey | Bug 474 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474 | 02:40 |
| ekim\770 | ok guys , i'll be back in a bit | 02:41 |
| ekim\770 | later | 02:41 |
| milhouse | not sure if that means it's more efficient than the version we've been using on your site, or if it's the same thing | 02:41 |
| trevarthan | milhouse: I heard about that. I'll be extremely happy if they put a2dp in the base maemo OS. | 02:41 |
| milhouse | i think that's a must, tbh | 02:42 |
| trevarthan | I guess we'll have to wait for a firmware or two to find out. | 02:42 |
| trevarthan | they need SCO in there too. (think gtalk or SIP via a headset) | 02:42 |
| milhouse | yep... looks like that might be available too according to this news page http://www.bluez.org/news.html | 02:43 |
| trevarthan | besides, a2dpd sucks. it's kinda unreliable. | 02:43 |
| trevarthan | nice | 02:44 |
| trevarthan | "auto create" | 02:44 |
| trevarthan | pure genious. :) | 02:44 |
| milhouse | want. now. :) | 02:44 |
| trevarthan | ditto | 02:44 |
| milhouse | anyone from Nokia: happy to be a guinea pig | 02:44 |
| lle2 | timelE61i: pong? | 02:44 |
| trevarthan | so, I wonder if this is like, a month away? A year away? Three? | 02:45 |
| gomiam | stupid question: can scratchbox be compiled on Cygwin? | 02:45 |
| milhouse | who knows... somethings appear out of nowhere, other things are talked about but don't appear for months | 02:45 |
| trevarthan | cause if it's a year away, then we could still use a .deb for your a2dp scripts and a control panel applet, milhouse. | 02:45 |
| lle2 | maybe | 02:45 |
| trevarthan | Nokia should make it's release schedules public for bugs like that | 02:46 |
| milhouse | i would guess this is coming in the next firmware release... or maybe chinook if the next firmware release isn't maemo 4.0/chinook | 02:46 |
| milhouse | i agree, a tentative date wouldn't do any harm | 02:46 |
| pskr | anybody know how to verify microb build is successful (I built it from source using dpkg apt-bldpackage) | 02:46 |
| milhouse | but... this is nokia | 02:46 |
| trevarthan | they could release a new bluez at any time, but still not integrate a2dp or sco with the OS. | 02:47 |
| milhouse | fingers crossed they trial a beta package | 02:47 |
| milhouse | of the bluez changes | 02:47 |
| milhouse | assuming it's possible, and adds value | 02:47 |
| trevarthan | if they did it that way, they could take their time integrating it with the OS and we could release a new Kagu to utilize the new bluez. best of both worlds. | 02:48 |
| milhouse | absolutely | 02:49 |
| milhouse | bet it won't happen though :) | 02:49 |
| lle2 | I'm having trouble parsing what you guys are really looking for | 02:50 |
| trevarthan | dunno. anything could happen at this point. depends on how backed up with other stuff they are. | 02:50 |
| milhouse | the bluez guys certainly have been busy the last few months... i wonder if that's due to nokias involvement? | 02:50 |
| trevarthan | probably | 02:51 |
| trevarthan | a2dp and sco will actually drive sales a bit for them. not much, but a bit. | 02:51 |
| trevarthan | Kagu isn't enough for that. They have to say it's built in. | 02:51 |
| lle2 | you want a new kernel for the tablet, with updated bluetooth stuff? | 02:51 |
| trevarthan | nah, just a new bluez deb. | 02:52 |
| trevarthan | if it takes a new kernel, then a new kernel. | 02:52 |
| milhouse | trevarthan: the lack of a2dp and sco is a bit of a hole nowadays, as apple have discovered... people know about it, and want it. | 02:52 |
| trevarthan | yeah. totally agree. | 02:53 |
| trevarthan | cars will probably ship with a2dp soon, if they don't already. | 02:53 |
| trevarthan | lle2: I thought you were a bot at first. :) most people don't say "parse" in a sentence. | 02:54 |
| lle2 | trevarthan: some people do after whiskey tasting | 02:54 |
| trevarthan | albiet with a bit of a slur? | 02:54 |
| lle2 | a bit | 02:54 |
| trevarthan | perhaps that's why you were having trouble parsing our conversation? :) | 02:55 |
| lle2 | also a distinct possibility | 02:55 |
| trevarthan | I still think you're a bot. Very bot-like answers. | 02:55 |
| trevarthan | I'm just kidding. :) | 02:56 |
| lle2 | I'm just curious why not build your own bluez stuff? run it with the very latest public kernel and you couldn't have anything more up to date | 02:56 |
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| trevarthan | mostly because I'm lazy, and we've already got a2dp support in a less advanced form. | 02:57 |
| lle2 | you'll lack wlan, but that's to be expected | 02:57 |
| lle2 | that's a valid reason | 02:57 |
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| trevarthan | I might test it out on my desktop though. gentoo is good for stuff like that. | 02:58 |
| lle2 | gentoo is not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of my life for no good reason. | 02:59 |
| trevarthan | there's that too. :) | 02:59 |
| trevarthan | I come from FreeBSD, many years ago, so I'm used to it, I guess. | 03:00 |
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| lle2 | too bad I don't have any idea what distro would be any good, so debian it is for me. | 03:00 |
| trevarthan | I like maemo and fedora core. Not a big fan of debian, but I might like ubunto. | 03:02 |
| trevarthan | s/ubunto/ubuntu/ | 03:02 |
| infobot | trevarthan meant: I like maemo and fedora core. Not a big fan of debian, but I might like ubuntu. | 03:02 |
| lle2 | there was once a thing called ossi, way better than maemo. unfortunately it got overrun by a stampede of debian madness | 03:04 |
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| lle2 | pretty close conceptually to being openembedded but using scratchbox to solve the cross-compilation business | 03:05 |
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| * pupnik also wasted many hours on gentoo, but it was somewhat educational | 03:06 | |
| erstazi | trevarthan: Ubuntu is alright | 03:06 |
| erstazi | pupnik: that is what gentoo is! heh, educational | 03:06 |
| erstazi | lle2: what type of whiskey? | 03:07 |
| pupnik | the name ubuntu bothers me | 03:07 |
| erstazi | pupnik: heh | 03:08 |
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| lle2 | erstazi: the better part of Islay, pretty good stuff | 03:09 |
| trevarthan | yup, gentoo very educational. I still use it on my server and my desktop though. probably will until I can no longer upgrade critical stuff without installing 4^10 deps too. | 03:09 |
| trevarthan | it's already survived 2 fedora core revisions without a reinstall, and my packages are still rather current, so I've got no reason to change OSes. | 03:10 |
| erstazi | lle2: aye | 03:10 |
| trevarthan | I'd probably switch if they made a maemo server OS though. :) | 03:11 |
| erstazi | trevarthan: heh | 03:11 |
| milhouse | i switched from suse 10 server to ubuntu recently... suse was a pain in the arse at times | 03:11 |
| lle2 | debian is good, I don't expect it to be perfect and it mostly doesn't get in my way too bad | 03:12 |
| erstazi | milhouse: which ubuntu version do you run for server? | 03:12 |
| milhouse | ubuntu on the other hand... thumbs up :) | 03:12 |
| milhouse | feisty fawn | 03:12 |
| milhouse | it's actually the desktop version - the ubuntu server has no x :) | 03:12 |
| lle2 | ubuntu on the other hand wants to be perfect and fails, thus I don't like it that much | 03:12 |
| erstazi | milhouse: yeah, I used feisty fawn on a few developmental servers... its alright, some issues here and there with upgrades | 03:12 |
| erstazi | milhouse: thats what I thought you replaced suse10 server with | 03:12 |
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| milhouse | i want both a workstation and something to run "server" type apps (apache, squid etc.) | 03:13 |
| erstazi | lle2: yeah, its no way perfect but decent for the new user to linux | 03:13 |
| erstazi | so far, I have kept using CentOS for my server | 03:13 |
| erstazi | they aim to be 100% binary compatible with red hat | 03:13 |
| milhouse | erstazi - no i switched from suse 10 server to ubuntu desktop... i did a trial install of ubuntu server only to discover it had no x server :) | 03:13 |
| erstazi | milhouse: ah | 03:13 |
| erstazi | dapper is nice, LTS! | 03:14 |
| erstazi | I would like to do some testing on Debian etch, haven't had the time to do so | 03:14 |
| lle2 | etch is brilliant | 03:14 |
| milhouse | i like ubuntu because getting it to work with a modern graphics driver is a damned sight easier than suse... with suse you have to recompile the kernel yourself etc. which was a pain i could do without | 03:14 |
| erstazi | milhouse: thats true | 03:15 |
| rhys | Zenwalk | 03:15 |
| milhouse | s/driver/card/ | 03:15 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: i like ubuntu because getting it to work with a modern graphics card is a damned sight easier than suse... with suse you have to recompile the kernel yourself etc. which was a pain i could do without | 03:15 |
| rhys | Arch | 03:15 |
| erstazi | lle2: I might set some servers up to test it | 03:15 |
| milhouse | baryl/compiz is nice... compiz fusion should be better in the next gibbon release | 03:15 |
| lle2 | erstazi: last four installs I've done latest ubuntu failed totally on every one, etch just worked | 03:15 |
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| lle2 | well, just worked being according to what I expect from debian | 03:16 |
| erstazi | milhouse: I don't care for those, I would just live with XFCE if I had to | 03:16 |
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| milhouse | i'm running some _really_ old crap (Tyan server motherboard with a pair of Slot 1 Pentium 3s...) which may explain why it worked without any problems (didn't like the built in sound card though - but then neither did SuSE) | 03:17 |
| erstazi | with GNOME, there are a few things I despise, changing the foreground color of a font in the panel requires me to go into a conf and change it... where as KDE or another DE, its a simple GUI change | 03:17 |
| erstazi | if you like bling bling DE's, try Enlightenment... its very flashy compared to default KDE even | 03:18 |
| milhouse | erstazi: I like a bit of bling... :) but it does chug a bit on my kit - the graphics card is an old GF2 | 03:18 |
| erstazi | milhouse: try elive's live cd sometime then | 03:18 |
| erstazi | its debian based as well | 03:18 |
| milhouse | i'll give it a go - what's the url? elive.org? | 03:18 |
| erstazi | mmm let me check | 03:19 |
| milhouse | nope, elive.org looks like a shop of some sort... | 03:19 |
| erstazi | http://elivecd.org | 03:19 |
| milhouse | elivecd.org maybe | 03:19 |
| erstazi | sorry | 03:19 |
| lle2 | so far I've not seen anything that would beat windowmaker for me | 03:19 |
| milhouse | np - i'll download it now and try it later in the week. thanks. | 03:19 |
| milhouse | hang on... is it free? | 03:20 |
| erstazi | of course | 03:20 |
| erstazi | its debian based | 03:20 |
| milhouse | hmmm... it's taking me to paypal | 03:20 |
| erstazi | no way! | 03:20 |
| milhouse | something about a donation... looks like i need to read the page :) | 03:21 |
| lle2 | money for nothing, bits for free | 03:21 |
| erstazi | milhouse: try the developmental version | 03:21 |
| milhouse | yeah, looks like the development version is free but the stable version requires a small donation | 03:22 |
| milhouse | development version for me then... :) | 03:22 |
| erstazi | milhouse: heh | 03:22 |
| erstazi | milhouse: I have tried a virtual machine of it, there are ways of making an ISO of that, but I find that against the philosophy | 03:23 |
| milhouse | is the development iso a live cd? | 03:25 |
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| erstazi | milhouse: I think, like I said, I only test in virtual machines... livecd's use up my cd and dvd's for backups (: | 03:42 |
| erstazi | milhouse: I have a few livecd's I use for installs | 03:42 |
| erstazi | but those are kept safely from damage | 03:43 |
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| milhouse | erstazi: i've got an old machine i can try it in first | 03:47 |
| milhouse | and if that checks out, should monkey go "off the air" you'll know why... :) | 03:47 |
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| erstazi | milhouse: not _Monkey! | 03:53 |
| erstazi | heh | 03:53 |
| milhouse | it will only be temporary :) | 03:54 |
| erstazi | heh | 03:54 |
| trevarthan | gstreamer is a smoking pile of cow poo. | 04:06 |
| trevarthan | gstreamer? | 04:06 |
| _Monkey | well, gstreamer is a smoking pile of cow poo. | 04:06 |
| trevarthan | nice. | 04:06 |
| trevarthan | goodmonkey. | 04:06 |
| _Monkey | goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. | 04:06 |
| milhouse | what have they done to you monkey... i had such high hopes for you... now, gone. :( | 04:07 |
| milhouse | sob | 04:07 |
| milhouse | _monkey status | 04:08 |
| _Monkey | Since Sun Aug 26 16:20:02 2007, there have been 243 modifications and 55 questions. I have been awake for 2 days, 9 hours, 48 minutes, 7 seconds this session, and currently reference 4904 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. | 04:08 |
| trevarthan | spank is what _Monkey does to milhouse when no-one is looking. | 04:08 |
| trevarthan | spank? | 04:08 |
| _Monkey | spank is what _Monkey does to milhouse when no-one is looking. | 04:08 |
| trevarthan | lol | 04:08 |
| milhouse | oh lord! :) | 04:08 |
| milhouse | who told you??? | 04:08 |
| trevarthan | your mom, of course. | 04:09 |
| trevarthan | I'd make a good bot. | 04:10 |
| trevarthan | the sad thing is that I'm perfectly sober.... | 04:11 |
| milhouse | my mom eh? thank goodness for that, thought it might have been my gimp. | 04:12 |
| trevarthan | nope. still soundly in the box | 04:12 |
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| gidget | first time on here on the 770 | 04:38 |
| gidget | how about them apples | 04:38 |
| ekim\770 | xchat ? | 04:38 |
| _Monkey | somebody said xchat was a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ | 04:38 |
| gidget | y | 04:38 |
| ekim\770 | gidget, can you do fullscreen on it | 04:39 |
| gidget | no | 04:39 |
| ekim\770 | me either | 04:39 |
| gidget | just trying to figure that | 04:39 |
| ekim\770 | I dunno why | 04:39 |
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| gidget | others can? | 04:39 |
| ekim\770 | it bugs me | 04:39 |
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| gidget | go to view / layout and put it on tabs | 04:41 |
| gidget | that makes it a bit bigger | 04:41 |
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| ekim\770 | how do I install this , http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ | 04:42 |
| gidget | are you using a bt kb? | 04:42 |
| ekim\770 | no | 04:42 |
| gidget | ekim ^^ | 04:42 |
| ekim\770 | what? | 04:42 |
| gidget | ah, me either ;) | 04:42 |
| ekim\770 | the fullscreen keyboard works nicely | 04:43 |
| gidget | agreed | 04:43 |
| ekim\770 | not as nicely as a bluetooth keyboard though | 04:43 |
| gidget | depends on if 'nicely' means 'portable' or not | 04:44 |
| ekim\770 | does fceu have a gui ? | 04:45 |
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| gidget | being able to stick this thing in my pocket is nicely for me | 04:45 |
| gidget | yeah its called xmaeme | 04:45 |
| gidget | gui for it and gba emultor and xmame | 04:46 |
| gidget | emulator/ | 04:46 |
| ekim\770 | where do I get it | 04:47 |
| ekim\770 | I have fceu installed | 04:47 |
| ekim\770 | but no gui | 04:48 |
| ekim\770 | anyone ? | 04:50 |
| ekim\770 | is there any way I can put my 770 in "sleep mode" | 04:51 |
| gidget | third result on google for 'xmaeme' | 04:51 |
| ekim\770 | is there any way I can put my 770 in "sleep mode" | 04:51 |
| gidget | put the cover on it. are you serious? | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't be mean, gidget. :P | 04:52 |
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| gidget | not trying to, just... | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, a question for the group: | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have 2 770s and an N800 | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1 770 is on the couch and the other in the bedroom | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 is a pocket-traveler | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | FBReader saves its state to an xml file | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to figure out a way to synchronize this state file over all devices | 04:56 |
| ekim\770 | hmm | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | so FBReader will always have my place on whatever device I'm on. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I figure rsync can pull this off | 04:57 |
| ekim\770 | well...it depends | 04:57 |
| ekim\770 | yeeah | 04:57 |
| ekim\770 | rdync and cron | 04:57 |
| ekim\770 | rsync | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'd need to work out some sort of wrapper that would pull the latest state file on launch | 04:57 |
| gidget | or a netcat shell script | 04:57 |
| ekim\770 | hmm | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which, I imagine, is fairly easy to do | 04:57 |
| ekim\770 | i never understood netcat | 04:57 |
| ekim\770 | gotta look ito i | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | But sending the updated file on exit seems like a bit more of a challenge | 04:58 |
| ekim\770 | not n exit.... | 04:58 |
| gidget | use perl to check access date on the file, then udp broadcast ;) | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there anyway for rsync to look at 3 files (1 local 2 network) and grab the one that's newest? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, right. | 04:58 |
| ekim\770 | how do I install this , http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ | 04:59 |
| ekim\770 | or better | 04:59 |
| gidget | srry, don't know rsync | 04:59 |
| sp3000 | well you'd sync --update from/to bothe the others for pull/push | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only problem with that is that the other devices would have to be on and connected to the network | 04:59 |
| ekim\770 | how do I get rd of bussybx comletrly and replace it wth basgh | 05:00 |
| ekim\770 | that is a problem | 05:00 |
| sp3000 | for doing things on startup, kinda yeah | 05:00 |
| sp3000 | (app startup esp) | 05:00 |
| ekim\770 | but seriously | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I could push the state on exit | 05:00 |
| ekim\770 | how do I install this , http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ | 05:00 |
| gidget | spamming won't help ekim | 05:01 |
| ekim\770 | sorry | 05:01 |
| ekim\770 | stupid impatience | 05:01 |
| gidget | busybox is already installed | 05:01 |
| ekim\770 | i know | 05:02 |
| ekim\770 | this is a better version | 05:02 |
| ekim\770 | with more stuff | 05:02 |
| ekim\770 | surely someone has relaced bussybox with bash | 05:03 |
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| derf | It actually turns out that replacing your shell is a Really Bad Idea. | 05:09 |
| derf | At least when I did it, it bricked the machine. | 05:09 |
| ekim\770 | so I can't upgrade busybox | 05:10 |
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| ekim\770 | ahh man | 05:12 |
| ekim\770 | do any of you guys' 770's simply refuse to launch apps sometimes? | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine has been great since I bought it in November 2005 | 05:13 |
| ekim\770 | you click on it and nothing happens | 05:13 |
| ekim\770 | aww dang | 05:14 |
| ekim\770 | I gotta reboot | 05:14 |
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| ekim\770 | brb | 05:14 |
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| ekim\770 | hi | 05:49 |
| ekim\770 | how can I get man ... | 05:49 |
| ekim\770 | im kinda lost without it | 05:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I never found out the answer to that on, ekim\770. | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | SSH into a real machine? :P | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, re that FBReader idea, would there be any way to symlink to a network drive? | 05:59 |
| ekim\770 | I wanna access it offline | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it was a joke suggestion. | 06:01 |
| ekim\770 | ohh | 06:01 |
| ekim\770 | I knew that | 06:01 |
| ekim\770 | so...how do I do it ? | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a clue. ;) | 06:02 |
| ekim\770 | :( | 06:02 |
| ekim\770 | going to bed , later guys | 06:11 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: ? | 06:49 |
| pupnik | keyboard does not like orange juice | 06:50 |
| pupnik | sticky keys | 06:50 |
| pskr | pupnik: I was able to build microb-engine on ARMEL. YOu know how I can run it/test it? | 06:54 |
| pupnik | nice... i don't know how to start it manually though | 06:54 |
| pskr | I saw in some chat logs you were talking about being able to run it. did you do apt-get install after building it? | 06:57 |
| pskr | can I do apt-get install with ARMEL packages and be able to see on maemo/Xephyr? | 06:58 |
| pskr | or do I need to use QEMU. How to start QEMU? [I have to read about it] | 06:59 |
| pupnik | i just hit the browser icon on the device and it started microb instead of opera | 06:59 |
| pupnik | you start xephyr in your host | 07:00 |
| pupnik | with ./start-xephyr.sh | 07:00 |
| pupnik | then in scratchbox (armel) you run af-sb-init.sh | 07:00 |
| pupnik | twhich starts the windowmanager | 07:01 |
| pskr | thanks. I am able to do all that. But after building microb-engine for ARMEL, did you do apt-get install? or what did you do? I am not able to see anything under the browser menu | 07:02 |
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| pupnik | i didn't build it | 07:03 |
| pupnik | if you have a .deb package you can install with dpkg -i <package> | 07:04 |
| pskr | Oh.. I have microb-engine_1.0.3_13_armel.deb. I will try that. Thanks. | 07:05 |
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| pskr | pupnik:dpkg -i succedded [ I had to install multiple .debs to succeed though]. After that I restarted Xephyr. Still I did not see microb. Is it under web? | 07:14 |
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| pupnik | yeah should be | 07:20 |
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| pskr | :-( May be I will log out and logback in and try that. I could not stop scratchbox successfully. | 07:23 |
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| EnigmaCurry | What's the username/password for canola configuration? I don't remember ever setting one myself. | 08:02 |
| cesman | perhaps admin/password | 08:08 |
| cesman | it definely requires one to change it | 08:08 |
| cesman | or admin/admin | 08:08 |
| EnigmaCurry | neither of those work .. weird.. the "manual" videos show the configuration tool and it pops up without ever asking for a username/password | 08:11 |
| EnigmaCurry | I found the configuration file /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/canola-conf/%gconf where I can set the IP and port for the server... no password option though | 08:12 |
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| EnigmaCurry | Ok, very interesting. I changed the port number in the above configuration file and it no longer asks for a password :) | 08:15 |
| pupnik | ah, gconf provides a config framework | 08:17 |
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| timelyx | lle2: should scratchbox have a component in bugs.maemo? | 09:04 |
| timelyx | milhouse: ok, cool | 09:06 |
| timelyx | milhouse: anyway, if you don't mind filing an invalid bug against yourself, where you | 09:07 |
| timelyx | detail how you figured it out, that'd be good | 09:07 |
| timelyx | milhouse: yeah, definitely not our fault, good job finding what the web page did :) | 09:08 |
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| timelyx | ok, i need someone who's alive to help me | 09:51 |
| * pupnik partially qualifies | 09:52 | |
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| timelyx | indeed | 10:01 |
| timelyx | please join #pupnik | 10:02 |
| gidget | anyone else grow out their fingernails just to better type on the IT? | 10:04 |
| gidget | :) | 10:04 |
| gidget | well, thumbnails really | 10:05 |
| keesj | what do you use you thumbs for? | 10:05 |
| timelyx | i've always had mine slightly longer than most people | 10:05 |
| timelyx | it also helps if you need to open the back cover | 10:06 |
| timelyx | or the mmc slot | 10:06 |
| timelyx | basically nokia hardware design encourages it :) | 10:06 |
| keesj | :) | 10:06 |
| timelyx | but mostly, the nails make it possible to emulate stylus | 10:06 |
| timelyx | e.g. for use w/ vkb, not fkb | 10:06 |
| gidget | huh | 10:07 |
| gidget | both seem to work better with nails | 10:07 |
| keesj | I really only use my nails to open the menu-bar because I don't like the large icons | 10:07 |
| timelyx | both do, but, i tend to use vkb more than fkb | 10:08 |
| timelyx | do note that the iphone penalizes people w/ long fingernails (women) | 10:08 |
| keesj | and once I understood that the touch is averaged can can even type on the small keyboard with my hand without to much errors | 10:08 |
| gidget | wow, i have to hone my aim a bit more i guess | 10:08 |
| gidget | cant really use the vkb very well yet | 10:09 |
| gidget | are you guys typing all that on the vkb? | 10:10 |
| * keesj not | 10:11 | |
| keesj | the n800 is just like me . it spends moost of it's time next to my computer | 10:12 |
| gidget | ha | 10:12 |
| pupnik | heh | 10:12 |
| pupnik | qotd | 10:12 |
| keesj | :P | 10:13 |
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| gidget | anyone here a gizmo project user? | 10:14 |
| gidget | i might say 'a successful' user? | 10:15 |
| gidget | cant quite decide how to use it since i discvered theres no bt headset support | 10:15 |
| gidget | which is why i bought the 770... | 10:17 |
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| gidget | i built a custom headset only to have the tablet arrive and not be able to use it | 10:18 |
| keesj | gidget: I made some calls with my girlfriend using gizmo and the 770 she was using a computer and using a headset | 10:18 |
| gidget | keesj, did you hold it up to your face? | 10:19 |
| gidget | or use earbuds | 10:19 |
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| keesj | I holded it to my head | 10:20 |
| gidget | thats how i do it too, but its hard to get the volume right | 10:22 |
| * gidget feels chatty | 10:22 | |
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| timelE61i | well now, that was happy | 10:27 |
| timelE61i | my mac paniced in IOATA stuff | 10:27 |
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| timelE61i | i have at times irc'd from my 770 | 10:28 |
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| timelyx | keesj =~ s/holded/held/ | 10:29 |
| Veggen | timel: I did for about a week, live with my N800 as my only computer. | 10:29 |
| timelyx | i'm seriously considering leaving my laptop at home when i take my european vacation in september | 10:30 |
| Veggen | hmm. I found my N770 to be perfect for travel where all you want is cheching your mail and travel information on the web. | 10:31 |
| Veggen | And Maemo mapper as a city map is quite usable. | 10:31 |
| * timelyx nods | 10:31 | |
| timelyx | i' | 10:31 |
| timelyx | m more considering it because i'm going to italy and i'm not sure i want to have to worry about someone stealing a company laptop | 10:32 |
| Veggen | Italy is not *that* bad, actually. | 10:32 |
| timelyx | does anyone here have a list of all bugs that people had voted for in bugs.maemo.org? | 10:32 |
| timelyx | don't ask bugzilla *now* | 10:33 |
| timelyx | i need to know from before i reorganized | 10:33 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:38 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: no, as I got the mails saying my bugs had been de-voted, I just re-voted for them if they were still open & relevant. | 10:38 |
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| timelyx | Jaffa: yeah, well, i just voted on behalf of about 30 people | 10:44 |
| * timelyx frowns | 10:44 | |
| timelyx | this version of bugzilla doesn't seem to let me *see* a user's account activity log | 10:44 |
| timelyx | ok, i'm done stuffing the ballot box for bug 176 | 10:45 |
| _Monkey | Bug 176 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 | 10:45 |
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| pupnik | ty for doing it :) | 10:46 |
| timelyx | ok, done stuffing the very empty ballot box for 1654 | 10:48 |
| timelyx | anyone know which other ballot boxes got emptied? | 10:48 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: got a list? | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: yeah, hang on let me check my gmail | 10:53 |
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| timelyx | ok, 1129 is the next one i get to restuff | 10:55 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: #472, 1210, 1209, 1228, 1129, 991, 257, 366 | 10:55 |
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| timelyx | ok, ballot box for 1235 restuffed | 11:07 |
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| timelyx | ok. i think i've stuffed all the boxes i can find | 11:09 |
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| timelyx | should i just brute force this? | 11:14 |
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| * timelyx gives up and attacks google | 11:16 | |
| Jaffa | :) | 11:16 |
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| Silicium_ | hi there | 11:17 |
| Silicium_ | exist a solution to connect to the Internet via Bluetooth on a Windows Machine? | 11:18 |
| Silicium_ | for N800 | 11:18 |
| timelyx | damn | 11:23 |
| timelyx | google has decided i'm a bot | 11:23 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: wanna help? | 11:25 |
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| timelyx | #!/bin/perl | 11:27 |
| timelyx | $b=$ARGV[0];for ($a=$b; $a <= $b+75; ++$a) { `curl -o$a 'http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A//bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi%3Faction%3Dshow_bug%26bug_id%3D$a&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8'`;} | 11:27 |
| timelyx | seems i'm limited to 75 requests per <unknown interval> | 11:27 |
| timelyx | i've harvested the first 75 | 11:27 |
| timelyx | oh, no | 11:28 |
| timelyx | i got rejected a lot sooner | 11:28 |
| Veggen | Silicium: Not officially. | 11:28 |
| Veggen | Never tried it on the N800 (but on the 770), let me see if I can find a link. | 11:29 |
| timelyx | oh well | 11:30 |
| * timelyx curses | 11:31 | |
| Silicium_ | ok, then i try via seriall interface | 11:31 |
| Silicium_ | over bt | 11:31 |
| Silicium_ | baybe i can code a gui application for that, asap | 11:31 |
| Silicium_ | thanks for help | 11:31 |
| Veggen | the posts following http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=52174#post52174 har some info. | 11:32 |
| Silicium_ | thanks | 11:33 |
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| Silicium_ | and for USB Host on N800 exist any usable hacks? | 11:36 |
| Silicium_ | whitout soldering | 11:36 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:39 |
| Veggen | Silicium: Nope, not yet at least. | 11:40 |
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| Silicium_ | ok | 11:43 |
| Silicium_ | and the final question: | 11:43 |
| Silicium_ | exist any images for maemo 4? | 11:43 |
| Veggen | not as far as I know. | 11:44 |
| Silicium_ | ok | 11:44 |
| timelyx | what do you mean? | 11:44 |
| Silicium_ | anyway | 11:44 |
| Silicium_ | then i install via chroot | 11:44 |
| Silicium_ | i think this can be a lot of fun on a sd card := | 11:44 |
| Silicium_ | :) | 11:44 |
| lle2 | timelyx: no idea, for sb2 I certainly will not be tracking anything other than bugs.fdo | 11:46 |
| timelyx | lle2: problem is that a bunch of scratchbox bugs exist in bugs.maemo | 11:46 |
| timelyx | i can move them to Misdirected:Upstream | 11:46 |
| lle2 | timelyx: just move them to Misdirected:devnull | 11:47 |
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| lle2 | timelyx: you have to ask somebody who deals with sb1, I couldn't care less | 11:48 |
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| lle2 | yay, NokiaCare EMEA responded by saying that skype is a third party software and that I should contact them with the skype problem | 11:50 |
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| onion | anyone else had the problem with the 770 that if it dies with battery low, and you try to power it up/charge it goes into a reboot loop and only a reflash fixes it ? | 11:52 |
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| timelyx | lle2: well, that's at least not bad for a response time :) | 11:56 |
| pupnik | i'm surprised we don't see more asian 770/N800 users | 11:57 |
| timelyx | pupnik: why? | 11:57 |
| timelyx | we dpm | 11:57 |
| timelyx | we don't have fonts | 11:57 |
| timelyx | the web browser for the device doesn't support their encodings | 11:57 |
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| timelyx | and we don't have an input method editor | 11:57 |
| pupnik | bleh | 11:57 |
| timelyx | exactly why would you expect to see them? | 11:57 |
| timelyx | note: we=maemo | 11:57 |
| timelyx | that's not to say that nokia does or doesn't have some or all of those pieces | 11:57 |
| timelyx | although in all likelihood they aren't ready | 11:58 |
| pupnik | i'd have hoped the unique features (linux + 800x480) and great euro-design would have found more adherents | 11:58 |
| pupnik | they love BMWs too | 11:58 |
| timelyx | china already has a knock off | 11:58 |
| timelyx | not sure how well it's selling | 11:58 |
| pupnik | ah | 11:58 |
| timelyx | but see... bmw's don't have much text | 11:58 |
| timelyx | and don't need to show newspapers | 11:58 |
| timelyx | (and they probably come w/ manuals in at least mandarin and cantonese) | 11:59 |
| pupnik | good points | 11:59 |
| pupnik | i think the zaurus did ok in japan | 11:59 |
| gla55_ | asians have zauruses still don't they? | 12:00 |
| lle2 | it takes some time before people start wanting to spend $400 on top of the $40 mobile phone for an accessory | 12:00 |
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| timelyx | the phone also speaks chinese | 12:00 |
| timelyx | in the case of japanese, the phone has a good web browser too | 12:00 |
| timelyx | which really defeats the point of our device | 12:00 |
| lle2 | but maemo is not about the device | 12:01 |
| timelyx | oh, iirc it also has a decent chat client | 12:01 |
| timelyx | lle2: it's about a platform that isn't usable in asia :) | 12:01 |
| timelyx | competing w/ phones that work nicely in asia and have much better feature sets | 12:01 |
| lle2 | yeah, but platforms are for devices, it can't be a platform either | 12:01 |
| timelyx | the asian phone market is something like 5 years ahead of the rest of the world | 12:02 |
| gla55_ | on some stuff | 12:02 |
| gla55_ | in some ways the phones are on the same level as top end europeans | 12:02 |
| * timelyx nods | 12:02 | |
| gla55_ | but the network/service integration is higher | 12:02 |
| timelyx | right | 12:02 |
| lle2 | who cares, they are all flip phones, no use | 12:02 |
| timelyx | spoken by a true nokian | 12:03 |
| lle2 | :D | 12:03 |
| timelyx | or finn, whichever | 12:03 |
| lle2 | the same | 12:03 |
| pupnik | what's bad about flip? | 12:03 |
| timelyx | pick all that apply | 12:03 |
| gla55_ | i hate flips too | 12:03 |
| gla55_ | heh | 12:03 |
| gla55_ | sliders are somewhat ok | 12:03 |
| timelyx | pupnik: there's a quote by some nokian saying something like "we will never build a flip phone" | 12:03 |
| timelyx | i can't remember if the guy got axed | 12:03 |
| gla55_ | timelyx: iirc by that time they already had one in their history though | 12:03 |
| timelyx | high manager, stupid opinion | 12:04 |
| pupnik | i am really uninformed about phones, so it was a naive honest question | 12:04 |
| timelyx | gla55_: probably, doesn't really matter | 12:04 |
| gla55_ | nope | 12:04 |
| timelyx | pupnik: i hope you didn't think we objected to your question | 12:04 |
| gla55_ | ok the thing i don't like about flips is that the screen is further away from the kb | 12:04 |
| timelyx | personally i don't see that as a disadvantage | 12:04 |
| lle2 | moving parts | 12:05 |
| timelyx | and t9 users wouldn't either | 12:05 |
| pupnik | so it's mostly a style issue? | 12:05 |
| lle2 | they break | 12:05 |
| gla55_ | and usually, the phone could have just as well been the same size as the flip closed | 12:05 |
| pupnik | flip buys you button+screen real estate | 12:05 |
| timelyx | lle2: you prefer the communicator series? | 12:05 |
| lle2 | solid chunk of steel would be my preferred form factor | 12:05 |
| timelyx | my hinge failed, the cover failed, and something else did too | 12:05 |
| gla55_ | pupnik: most flips don't use it | 12:05 |
| timelyx | oh, i almost lost the keypad once on the tube in london :) | 12:05 |
| timelyx | yeah, gla55_ is right | 12:06 |
| gla55_ | they're flips just for style | 12:06 |
| timelyx | flips tend to have the screen well inset by maybe 2cm | 12:06 |
| pupnik | i have had 4 different phones, all bought by either employers or girlfriends :P | 12:06 |
| * timelyx rotfl | 12:06 | |
| timelyx | how did you manage to get a gf to buy you a phone? | 12:06 |
| pupnik | i refused to buy one, so she did to keep me on a leash | 12:07 |
| pupnik | ... just like my employers! | 12:07 |
| lardman | kulve: ping | 12:08 |
| gla55_ | i got maybe 8 phones here now and loaned 3 phones to friends | 12:09 |
| gla55_ | but then again i do symbian dev | 12:09 |
| lle2 | developing some sort of clustering software? | 12:09 |
| gla55_ | nope, they all just have different bugs | 12:10 |
| timelyx | pupnik: wow. did she pay for the bill too? | 12:10 |
| timelyx | lle2: we have people in OSSO w/ phone collections, mostly for BT interop | 12:10 |
| pupnik | yeah | 12:11 |
| lle2 | timelyx: true, I tend to just feed the phones to friends and family. depending on the model. | 12:12 |
| timelyx | lle2: i don't have any phones my family would want | 12:12 |
| timelyx | my parents don't have cell phones and my sister had an LG flip | 12:12 |
| lle2 | timelyx: that has been the problem lately | 12:12 |
| timelyx | i think she considered changing phones recently | 12:12 |
| timelyx | but really, any phone will work for her | 12:12 |
| timelyx | anyway, the big win for flip phones is a good keyguard | 12:13 |
| timelyx | you won't accidentally dial someone w/ one | 12:13 |
| lle2 | overrated | 12:13 |
| timelyx | you won't ruin your display | 12:13 |
| timelyx | and you can easily unlock (well, ignoring nokia flips) | 12:13 |
| lle2 | at least the samsung fliphone would start recording videos in my pocket instead | 12:13 |
| * timelyx rotfl | 12:13 | |
| lle2 | almost as annoying | 12:13 |
| pupnik | i have trouble with multitap sms-ing with numeric pad | 12:14 |
| timelyx | well, my e61i will try to record my conversations for me | 12:14 |
| timelyx | and it's not a flip | 12:14 |
| lle2 | pupnik: really depends on the keypad, I had forgotten how good it could be until I was forced to use this old 6230i | 12:15 |
| lle2 | software needs to be fast as well | 12:15 |
| timelyx | i'm amazed at how easily i can use t9 on phone | 12:15 |
| timelyx | s | 12:15 |
| timelyx | i haven't used a t9 phone of my own since i came to nokia | 12:15 |
| timelyx | but when i was in london i helped a guy write an sms using his t9 enabled phone | 12:16 |
| lle2 | you end up adjusting your vocabulary, I hate that | 12:16 |
| gla55_ | i don't use t9.. mostly because i find a pain in the ass to change between english/finnish | 12:16 |
| gla55_ | and i'm fast enough with 9pad | 12:17 |
| gla55_ | enough mobile irc | 12:17 |
| pupnik | you're on a mobile now gla55_ ? | 12:17 |
| gla55_ | nah not now | 12:17 |
| lle2 | timelyx: the topic on this channel is not adhering to Maemo Convention, specifically the section concerning devices | 12:18 |
| timelyx | the topic doesn't seem to mention devices | 12:19 |
| lle2 | it says Nokia Internet Tablets, that's a reference to a physical product, isn't it? | 12:19 |
| timelyx | 12:19 Server Mode for channel #maemo is ³+nc² | 12:20 |
| timelyx | nothing's (+t) stopping you from changing it | 12:20 |
| lle2 | I'm afraid my judgement cannot be relied upon in Maemo matters | 12:21 |
| timelyx | lle2: find a specific citation, paste the url, change the topic | 12:21 |
| lle2 | ok | 12:22 |
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| timelyx | i don't want to sound more authoritative than you feel. | 12:24 |
| timelyx | i usually ask someone to confirm before i do things | 12:25 |
| timelyx | otherwise i include a disclaimer (8/ has at least one disclaimer) | 12:25 |
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| lardman | Interesting, the DSP is bigendian, but the dspgateway swaps the endianness of 16bit chunks (for convenience), resulting in the odd endianness of 32bit data | 12:31 |
| lardman | that explains a lot | 12:32 |
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| timelyx | heh | 12:47 |
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| timelyx | hrm, "oops" | 12:56 |
| timelyx | so, um | 12:56 |
| timelyx | the reorg wiki says i was supposed to replace ARM w/ 770/N800 | 12:56 |
| pupnik | at my job i generally don't ask 'may I do this?' | 12:57 |
| pupnik | that ends-up setting up unnecessary debates | 12:58 |
| timelyx | i understand | 12:58 |
| lle2 | couldn't find anything usable :( | 12:58 |
| timelyx | but i generally end up in a position where i'm not the despot | 12:59 |
| timelyx | merely someone who has been given some privs and no clear mandate | 12:59 |
| timelyx | which means i can get tarred and feathered by the masses if i don't walk a tight rope | 12:59 |
| lle2 | too bad, detaching comments from their context normally does the trick, but not now | 12:59 |
| pupnik | oh yeah, the larger the company the more important knowing your place is | 12:59 |
| lle2 | not so sure about that | 12:59 |
| lle2 | if the community is big and strong it can take some beating, small communities need to be protected | 13:00 |
| timelyx | this community is currently too small | 13:00 |
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| pupnik | agree with that :) | 13:00 |
| timelyx | but even in morg, i am stuck in a similar role | 13:00 |
| timelyx | ok | 13:00 |
| timelyx | my math says that most arm bugs were filed against 770s | 13:01 |
| lle2 | arm bugs? | 13:01 |
| lle2 | somebody is filing bugs with the arm core to maemo.org bugzilla? | 13:01 |
| timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=version&y_axis_field=rep_platform&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap | 13:01 |
| timelyx | btw, that link will be valid for um, not very long :) | 13:02 |
| lle2 | hmph, those are not arm bugs | 13:03 |
| lle2 | for a moment you got me interested | 13:03 |
| timelyx | heh | 13:03 |
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| timelyx | sorry | 13:04 |
| timelyx | oh well, that change will look really confused | 13:07 |
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| timelyx | sorry all :) | 13:07 |
| * timelyx should have made n800 first, moved the n800 bugs out, and then renamed 770 | 13:07 | |
| florian | hi all | 13:09 |
| cosmo | hm.. what's the difference between arm and armel targets in scratchbox? | 13:12 |
| timelyx | arm is 770 itos2005 | 13:12 |
| timelyx | armel is 770 itos2006,itos2007, n800 | 13:13 |
| timelyx | armel is a different abi | 13:13 |
| * timelyx spams ~1000 people | 13:13 | |
| timelyx | lle2: silly question | 13:14 |
| timelyx | should the OS be listed as maemo (not an OS) or IT OS? | 13:14 |
| timelyx | (in bugs.maemo) | 13:14 |
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| timelyx | heh, i suspect quim gets the most mail from this | 13:14 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: did you drown? :) | 13:17 |
| cosmo | timelyx: thanks | 13:18 |
| sp3000 | nah | 13:19 |
| sp3000 | spam harder! | 13:19 |
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| timelyx | cosmo: how bad was your mail load? :( | 13:21 |
| timelyx | Mischief managed. | 13:25 |
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| jtukkine | bugs.maemo.org just made its record of sending emails, i suppose ;) | 13:30 |
| jtukkine | and "hello world" to everyone, been impolitely too quite for some days already | 13:31 |
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| amr | why wont canola scan my mmc? i click 'rescan' on the applet on home | 13:36 |
| amr | and its just displaying wait | 13:36 |
| amr | i cant even get into 'configure canola' | 13:36 |
| amr | it runs but just displays my library as empty | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | can you browse the mmc with the file browser? | 13:42 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: got the words out of my mouth =) | 13:43 |
| amr | yes | 13:43 |
| pupnik | i don't know canola. perhaps you can try with different music files | 13:44 |
| MoRpHeUz | amr: are they all mp3 ? | 13:44 |
| konttori_ | timelyx: nice bug sheet. looks quite informative. | 13:44 |
| amr | yes | 13:45 |
| amr | its worked before | 13:45 |
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| latzko | hi | 13:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | timelyx: btw, good job with bugzilla =) | 13:45 |
| amr | then i installed ukmp and kagu which didnt work | 13:45 |
| amr | so i installed canola again, now that isnt working | 13:45 |
| MoRpHeUz | amr: did you reboot the device as they ask for ? | 13:45 |
| amr | i cant even access localhost:9000 | 13:45 |
| amr | yes | 13:45 |
| amr | ive rebooted several times | 13:45 |
| konttori_ | amr: I would make a wild guess that there is some seriously corrupted mp3 that crashes all of those players. | 13:46 |
| latzko | can I put a backround image on a home applet's frame? I'm trying bg_pixmap of widget style but I can't succeed | 13:46 |
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| amr | konttori_, i havent changed my mp3s since i last used canola | 13:48 |
| amr | nothing changed | 13:48 |
| konttori_ | can you open ukmp in xterm? | 13:48 |
| pupnik | apparently something has changed, but the question is what | 13:48 |
| konttori_ | that might help me help you | 13:48 |
| pupnik | i don't know latzko - perhaps you can email the guys who made their own themes | 13:48 |
| konttori_ | try opening ukmp there and have a look at the error | 13:49 |
| amr | ive removed ukmp now | 13:49 |
| amr | ill probably just wipe the mmc | 13:49 |
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| MoRpHeUz | amr: do you have another mmc to try ? | 13:50 |
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| pupnik | the command-line wants to help | 13:55 |
| amr | MoRpHeUz, yeah but its mmc-mobile and my card reader doesnt like it so its empty | 13:58 |
| MoRpHeUz | hhmm | 13:59 |
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| Veggen | It's not-so-difficult to compile a fsck.vfat under scratchbox. | 14:02 |
| Veggen | So you can fsck from the device itself. | 14:02 |
| Veggen | Done it, can't find the binary, and my scratchbox-installation is on a currently broken laptop ;) | 14:02 |
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| konttori_ | so, what's the difference between ovi and mosh? | 14:10 |
| * konttori_ didn't see the webcast | 14:11 | |
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| konttori_ | Is it so that mosh is the free content section and ovi is only for paid content? | 14:13 |
| konttori_ | Heh. Nokia n81 is 'ngage compatible' - like hell no. You can't play games with that dpad ;) http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/10/nokia-n81-and-n82-come-to-light/ | 14:15 |
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| pupnik | unfortunately these dpads don't get slammed as much as they should because reviewers don't use heavily before writing about em (imo) | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | OTOH: if those buttons on the top (slash right considering landscape or portrait mode) http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/nokia-n81-shown-up-close-and-personal/ actually are buttons, then at least it seems that it's easy to press those. Kudos for the designers of those buttons | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | yeah, they are definitely buttons. very cool. I hope next internet tablet will have the same button configuration | 14:17 |
| pupnik | looks nice though | 14:18 |
| konttori_ | now, if only the dpad works, then that's a really cool concept | 14:18 |
| kulve | lardman: pong | 14:18 |
| pupnik | konttori_: i think that's going to be pretty popular - what's the res on the screen? | 14:19 |
| konttori_ | having tested n95 myself, I can positively say that that won't work for games. | 14:19 |
| pupnik | hmm | 14:19 |
| pupnik | you know this dpad already? | 14:19 |
| konttori_ | 640x240 maybe. | 14:19 |
| konttori_ | it's probably the same as n95 | 14:19 |
| pupnik | ok | 14:20 |
| konttori_ | at least it seems that nokia is on the right track on the game pricing. 6-10 euros is pretty much the sweetspot for casual games. | 14:22 |
| konttori_ | that might actually make the attempt worthwhile | 14:22 |
| konttori_ | I can see briliant future for picodrive and vsun on that device | 14:23 |
| konttori_ | well, platform | 14:23 |
| pupnik | i've been brainwashing myself to accept righthandside onscreen buttons | 14:25 |
| pupnik | "onscreen is ok" "onscreen is ok" | 14:26 |
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| sp3000 | hmm | 14:34 |
| sp3000 | so maemo.org/lxr is no more? | 14:34 |
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| * sp3000 tries to figure out where to shove a bug relating to it | 14:36 | |
| sp3000 | meh, it's "assigned" | 14:36 |
| * sp3000 raises SEP field | 14:36 | |
| konttori_ | pupnik: do you have the side buttons on some emu already? Do they work? | 14:37 |
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| pupnik | yes tak has them on fceu and i've got them on UQM | 14:38 |
| pupnik | work pretty well in 24fps combat | 14:38 |
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| konttori_ | ahh.. great stuff. Have you done anything to your dpad? | 14:53 |
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| konttori_ | I tested adding a glued layer on top of the rectangle part of the dpad to rais the rectangle around the middle button to over the middle button. After that, the dpad works relatively well. | 14:53 |
| konttori_ | You can actually control the dpad without moving your finger to change direction | 14:54 |
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| konttori_ | So, I think that the easiest way to improve the dpad substancially would be to lower the middle button (or - better yet - move it to the right side like in n81) | 14:55 |
| konttori_ | DOes it work well in fceu? I might be tempted to try it | 14:55 |
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| Veggen | Hmm. I did try one of those emulators.. | 15:00 |
| Veggen | downloaded a game. came nearly to the end. Then, I discovered I needed to support the game engines "punch" command, and the UI had no way to signal it. | 15:01 |
| Veggen | mrf ;) | 15:01 |
| Veggen | (ScummVM, was the emulator) | 15:02 |
| gla55_ | indiana jones or what | 15:03 |
| Veggen | yah, something like it. | 15:03 |
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| Mikho | you came nearly to the end without needing punch once? | 15:08 |
| gla55_ | wasnt the fighting in a castle or somewhere midways | 15:08 |
| Mikho | that was the third indy I believe | 15:09 |
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| gla55_ | well there werent scumm games of the first two iirc | 15:13 |
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| Mikho | hmm, I should have said that it was the game from the third indy movie | 15:14 |
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| konttori | Hey, maybe someone should configure side buttons to the scummvm. | 15:20 |
| konttori | they might also be game dependend. | 15:20 |
| pupnik | buttons for scummvm? i don't know of games that want it | 15:20 |
| pupnik | newest scummvm also has a vkbd | 15:21 |
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| pupnik | buttons for scummvm? | 15:21 |
| konttori_ | yeah. I mean, e.g. right mouse button would be my first choice. | 15:21 |
| gla55_ | you need buttos for fighting in some | 15:21 |
| gla55_ | and also i think for that driving thing in sam'n'max? | 15:22 |
| konttori_ | even though right button is some times mapped to some HW button, it would be easier for n00bs to see that there is onscreen right MB as well | 15:22 |
| pupnik | do either of you have an idea why xkbd isn't sending key events to fullscreen sdl apps? | 15:24 |
| konttori_ | anyway, might be relatively easy to add (don't really know if it's hard or not). Just process mouse events and consume them in the 'button manager' if they have something to do with mouse area outside the emulator screen | 15:24 |
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| pupnik | it's fairly easy to add onscreen buttons in sdl | 15:24 |
| pupnik | konttori_: do you want to add a post to ITT mentioning this? i think fanoush did the latest version (not sure) | 15:26 |
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| pupnik | i'm working on a new freesci right now | 15:27 |
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| sp3000 | hmm | 16:12 |
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| LrdGrmRpr | Hi guys, just a quick question about updating the N800 | 16:13 |
| LrdGrmRpr | I have a hardware revision 1201 device, so the flasher utility won't allow the update | 16:13 |
| LrdGrmRpr | There is a parameter called --set-hw-revision, but I haven't managed to get the firmware to update regardless | 16:14 |
| sp3000 | timeless: does planet belong in web / news? | 16:15 |
| sp3000 | or geenral? | 16:15 |
| sp3000 | this one planet bug was sitting in news | 16:15 |
| sp3000 | which sounds like a fair combination | 16:15 |
| LrdGrmRpr | If anyone could help me with this issue, I'd be most grateful, since after some googling and trying, I'm basically nowhere | 16:16 |
| sp3000 | if so the component desc should mention planet | 16:16 |
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| Jaffa | sp3000: Planet sits under the "News" menu, so makes sense for Bugzilla to follow that | 16:33 |
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| lle2 | Bad News, maybe? | 16:34 |
| sp3000 | which reminds me, wth is up with the shotgun font sizes on http://maemo.org/news/ | 16:36 |
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| timeless | does anyone here know anything about planet.maemo? | 17:29 |
| timeless | specifically, are there archives? | 17:29 |
| timeless | i want t o know which articles have "fav"s and how many | 17:29 |
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| Robot101 | how do I get the glib messages from stuff on the device, I've installed syslog but it's not making a file... | 18:04 |
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| timeless | robot101: usually the simplest way is to ssh to the device (from xterm in device or remote, whatever) | 18:11 |
| timeless | and run programs from that xterm | 18:11 |
| timeless | glib complaints go to stderr typically iirc | 18:13 |
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| disq | funny thing? | 18:28 |
| disq | _Monkey: hi | 18:28 |
| _Monkey | niihau, disq | 18:28 |
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| gpd | I think I may have lost my grey leather case for the N800 :( | 18:32 |
| gpd | and there are no signs of replacements online | 18:32 |
| gpd | even this one is not in stock: http://europe.nokia.com/n800case | 18:32 |
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| lardman | Can anyone point me to an implementation of a circular buffer than needs to be shared between two threads/processes, etc.? I'm wondering what the best way is | 18:34 |
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| cwong1 | anyone from here knows the internal the libhildon? | 18:35 |
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| Robot101 | where do all my glib messages go? gahrgahg | 18:37 |
| celesteh_rules | do glib messages and witty messages get stored separately? (sorry) | 18:38 |
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| sp3000 | lardman: man pipe? | 18:44 |
| sp3000 | that sounds dirty, I'm not sure how yet | 18:45 |
| lardman | sp3000: Yeah, I actually need to implement a shared memory buffer though, and am trying to work out how to not have to lock it too often | 18:47 |
| milhouse | i see Nokia have just launched a music store with "unlimited streaming" (in addition to buying tracks)... a non-US replacement for Rhapsody perhaps? | 18:48 |
| cwong1 | tko: ping | 18:51 |
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| milhouse | 10EUR/month for full track streaming.... replace Rhapsody with the Nokia store and I'm sold. | 18:59 |
| milhouse | Press Release: http://ovi.nokia.com/ovi/flash/assets/pdf/1_MeetOvi_Umbrella.pdf | 19:00 |
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| roope | Avaa Ovi. | 19:19 |
| milhouse | Let's hope we get some Ovi love on Internet Tablets :) | 19:20 |
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| zoyd_ | hi | 19:28 |
| _Monkey | hi, zoyd_ | 19:28 |
| zoyd_ | does anyone know of a tool that does image/key map that can be useful for xoo? | 19:29 |
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| Tak | anybody using vala? | 19:55 |
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| milhouse | Nokia demoed a iPhone-clone phone interface today... video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFKyAMQPbmI | 19:57 |
| milhouse | interesting... | 19:57 |
| Tak | ( http://live.gnome.org/Vala ) | 19:58 |
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| gla55_ | well anything touchscreen is is iphone clone now.. | 20:02 |
| milhouse | that ui is a bit of a rip off (not that i'm complaining, if it's good copy it) | 20:03 |
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| Blacksitox | hi | 20:44 |
| _Monkey | privet, Blacksitox | 20:44 |
| Blacksitox | hey _Monkey | 20:44 |
| _Monkey | i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | 20:44 |
| Tak | :-( | 20:44 |
| * Tak /quit | 20:44 | |
| timeless | cwong1: if necessary, i can read it | 20:45 |
| timeless | sp3000: it occurs to me that we should probably stick captions onto the party pictures | 20:46 |
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| erstazi | Tak: it could be worse, you could be an ant-eater. | 20:50 |
| Tak | why would that be worse? | 20:50 |
| erstazi | because you would be sucking all day.. | 20:50 |
| erstazi | I don't know | 20:50 |
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| Tak | if I had a tongue like an anteater's, I'd be a hit with the ladies | 20:57 |
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| ||cw | anteaters don't suck, they lick | 21:03 |
| erstazi | Tak: heh | 21:03 |
| erstazi | ||cw: it was a joke | 21:04 |
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| WhisperingVoices | Anyone here have a Nokia n800 can help me with a memory card question? | 21:15 |
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| Tak | WhisperingVoices: what's the question? | 21:15 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it the question is whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice | 21:15 |
| WhisperingVoices | I ordered my Nokia with an MU-37 memory card, but I can't for the life of me work out where it goes. | 21:15 |
| WhisperingVoices | It's too small to fit in the slot under the back cover. | 21:15 |
| Tak | WhisperingVoices: did the card come with an adapter? | 21:16 |
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| Tak | actually, the N800 should have come with a microSD card and an adapter | 21:16 |
| WhisperingVoices | aye | 21:16 |
| WhisperingVoices | it came with a card, I ordered a second because it advertised two slots | 21:17 |
| WhisperingVoices | the card it came with is happily inside the N800, and works. This second card I ordered (listed as compatible on the Nokia website) is inside it's adaptor but it's still too small to fit anywhere. It's a MicroSD one | 21:17 |
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| mgedmin | perhaps it has a microSD -> miniSD adapter? | 21:18 |
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| WhisperingVoices | not that came in the N800 box or even the memory card's box | 21:19 |
| Tak | what you're apparently lacking is a microSD -> SD adapter | 21:19 |
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| WhisperingVoices | hmm | 21:21 |
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| WhisperingVoices | heh I can't even get the battery back out to check for a slot under that | 21:22 |
| Tak | there's no slot under the battery | 21:24 |
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| Tak | there's no microSD slot at all, only two fullsize SD slots | 21:24 |
| timeless | yeah, it's an interesting "Feature" | 21:24 |
| timeless | you get one mini=>sd adapter | 21:25 |
| timeless | but if you buy 2 nokia micro's, you get 2 micr=>mini adapters | 21:25 |
| timeless | and are short one mini=>Sd | 21:25 |
| timeless | there are micro=>sd adapters available in some places | 21:25 |
| WhisperingVoices | Ugh | 21:25 |
| timeless | got a url for the adapter product? | 21:25 |
| timeless | i'll gladly complain to nokia for you if you don't want it | 21:26 |
| timeless | s/it/to do / | 21:26 |
| infobot | timeless meant: i'll gladly complain to nokia for you if you don't want to do | 21:26 |
| timeless | s/it/to do it/ | 21:26 |
| WhisperingVoices | http://europe.nokia.com/search4/index.jsp?wsid=8&charset=ISO-8859-1&qt=mu37&GO.x=0&GO.y=0&GO=GO | 21:26 |
| infobot | timeless meant: i'll gladly complain to nokia for you if you don't want to do it | 21:26 |
| timeless | but, it'd be better if you did it | 21:26 |
| Tak | hah, nice | 21:26 |
| WhisperingVoices | this is what I got | 21:26 |
| WhisperingVoices | because it was advertised as compatible on the Nokia website, and I thought more memory never hurt anyone | 21:26 |
| timeless | http://europe.nokia.com/A4397345 | 21:27 |
| timeless | i don't see n800 listed there oddly | 21:27 |
| timeless | it does clearly say: | 21:27 |
| timeless | Requires miniSD adapter, included in MU-37 sales package. | 21:27 |
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| timeless | so, i think, unfortunately, you can't really complain | 21:27 |
| WhisperingVoices | well there was no way I would have randomly ordered it. Let me check | 21:28 |
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| timeless | i ordered 4 or so of those | 21:28 |
| timeless | but in my case, we have lots of devices, so i just took extra adapters | 21:28 |
| timeless | and then people took my cards | 21:28 |
| Tak | s/(\w+)h.*\s(\w{2})../We are the knights who say \2! \2! \2! \1\1\1\1\1\1!/ | 21:28 |
| timeless | so i was left w/ older 1g cards from my 770 work | 21:29 |
| Tak | :-( | 21:29 |
| timeless | actually, at this point, i don't know where any of my cards are | 21:29 |
| timeless | i think i lost most or all of them | 21:29 |
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| timeless | i'm fairly certain coworkers took most of the 2g ones | 21:29 |
| WhisperingVoices | okay | 21:30 |
| WhisperingVoices | if you go to the Nokia page and make as if to order the N800 it brings up a list of compatible products | 21:30 |
| WhisperingVoices | That particular SD is amongst htem | 21:31 |
| WhisperingVoices | *them, apologies for bad typing. | 21:31 |
| timeless | that's fine, atm, my typing is worse | 21:31 |
| pskr | timeless: I was able to build microb yesterday, but I am not able to run. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-August/011509.html has more details. | 21:31 |
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| WhisperingVoices | I'll try and call Nokia's careline | 21:32 |
| WhisperingVoices | thanks for your help, Timeless | 21:32 |
| timeless | thanks for complaining, it really is bad when that site is messed up | 21:32 |
| timeless | which unfortunately ime has been almost always | 21:32 |
| timeless | i have about 6 pages printed showing the mistakes they had for the n800 | 21:32 |
| timeless | it's hanging outside m office | 21:33 |
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| timeless | pskr: erm | 21:33 |
| timeless | typically gecko builds xpidl itself | 21:33 |
| WhisperingVoices | well sadly I bought it with personal money, I can't afford to waste 60£ randomly, I'm a student :/ | 21:34 |
| timeless | whisperingvoices: contribute something helpful and i'll send you a shirt w/ an adapter :) | 21:34 |
| timeless | it'll take however long shipping takes, but .. | 21:35 |
| * timeless can't really see shipping just an adapter | 21:35 | |
| timeless | pskr: i'm very confused | 21:36 |
| timeless | what in the world did you actually build | 21:36 |
| timeless | and in what directories | 21:36 |
| timeless | and in what order | 21:36 |
| timeless | if you built microb-engine | 21:36 |
| timeless | you probably ended up w/ a microb-engine-dev or something | 21:37 |
| timeless | which would have xpidl | 21:37 |
| timeless | if you don't install whatever that package is, you own't have xpidl | 21:37 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/control#61 | 21:38 |
| timeless | anyway, if you're using too much of the debian build system | 21:38 |
| timeless | which you clearly are | 21:38 |
| timeless | then you need to pay attention to how the debian build system works | 21:38 |
| timeless | which you clearly aren't | 21:38 |
| timeless | personally, i'd avoid the debian buidl system | 21:39 |
| timeless | it makes my life a lot simpler | 21:39 |
| timeless | sorry, i'm frustrated. i have <10 days to plan a vacation, and i have a dozen tasks i need to get done | 21:39 |
| timeless | and you're asking questions which are really "how do i build things with debian" | 21:39 |
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| timeless | which are things i, a person who doesn't even like debian, shouldn't be forced or expected to help w/ | 21:39 |
| pskr | timeless: No problem. :-( | 21:40 |
| timeless | i do appreciate that you're trying to build something big | 21:40 |
| timeless | and i hope that at some point you can contribute | 21:40 |
| timeless | but in the interim, it's only compounding headaches | 21:40 |
| timeless | and i get lots of headaches from work | 21:40 |
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| timeless | fwiw, we're not kinder nor gentler to internals or contractors who ask similar questions | 21:41 |
| * timeless goes back to good old perl | 21:41 | |
| pskr | timeless: I am planning to contribute. BTW< Sorry and thanks for your help. | 21:42 |
| pskr | timeless: are you same as timelyx? | 21:43 |
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| WhisperingVoices | [19:36] <timeless> whisperingvoices: contribute something helpful and i'll send you a shirt w/ an adapter :) <- haha. Contribute to what? What do you do? | 21:43 |
| timeless | yyes | 21:43 |
| timeless | whisperingvoices: i work on the browser | 21:43 |
| timeless | but if you help triager bugs.maemo.org, that's fine too | 21:44 |
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| timeless | i can send you a shirt from qgil's budget just as easily as i can from my portion of his budget :) | 21:44 |
| timeless | heck, help clean up wiki.maemo.org and the same applies | 21:44 |
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| WhisperingVoices | Well given I got the n800 specifically to start learning about such things on the long long commute I have, I'd have to start with the Wiki :P | 21:57 |
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| timeless | fine w/ me, only warning: | 21:58 |
| timeless | you have about 1 week (probably less) to do cleanup | 21:58 |
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| WhisperingVoices | before the world ends? | 21:58 |
| timeless | i'll be on vacation for a month, and won't be able to send you a shirt + adapter while i'm out of the country :) | 21:58 |
| timeless | in a way, yeah :) | 21:58 |
| WhisperingVoices | it seems that neither the Wiki Evaluation nor reorganization pages work | 22:01 |
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| Bigup | hello :) | 22:15 |
| cosmo | hm, still no mpd client for 770 | 22:16 |
| pupnik_ | mpd? | 22:16 |
| cosmo | i installed a couple of web clients but they suck | 22:16 |
| cosmo | music player daemon | 22:16 |
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| pupnik_ | libavahi-client-dev libao-dev (>= 0.8.3-1) libpulse-dev libjack-dev libshout3-dev libvorbis-dev libflac-dev (>= 1.1.4-1) libspeex-dev libmpcdec-dev libmad0-dev libfaad-dev libtheora-dev libid3tag0-dev | 22:18 |
| WhisperingVoices | Anyone here use GPE PIM? | 22:18 |
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| timeless | i used it once w/ my 770 to cause my device to reboot | 22:18 |
| WhisperingVoices | oh | 22:19 |
| WhisperingVoices | :/ | 22:19 |
| timeless | does that count? :) | 22:19 |
| pupnik_ | unmet build dependencies cosmo -- looks doable actually but more work than i have time for right now | 22:19 |
| WhisperingVoices | LOL | 22:19 |
| WhisperingVoices | and it has such good reviews too. | 22:19 |
| timeless | this was a long time ago | 22:19 |
| cosmo | pupnik_: did you try to compile the N800 version? | 22:19 |
| timeless | at the time, i was using all sorts of things to cause device reboots | 22:19 |
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| cosmo | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:19 |
| timeless | anyway, i just like breaking things | 22:19 |
| pupnik_ | cosmo - wait, there's a port already? what's the problem? | 22:20 |
| timeless | and w/ maemo that's no very hard :) | 22:20 |
| cosmo | pupnik_: only N800 binaries available | 22:20 |
| Bigup | i have a small question : i intend to buy a n800 very son, but i've not seen if there is nfs support, because all of my data is tored and anvailable though nfs | 22:20 |
| cosmo | i could try to set up a itos06 dev environment and compile tomorrow at work.. | 22:20 |
| WhisperingVoices | how about Maemopad+? | 22:21 |
| timeless | it works | 22:21 |
| timeless | bigup: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kernel/ | 22:21 |
| Bigup | timeless: out of the box? like i just have to 'mount -t nfs' ? | 22:22 |
| timeless | no, the itworks was to whisperingvoices | 22:22 |
| Bigup | timeless: ok | 22:22 |
| WhisperingVoices | thanks | 22:22 |
| pupnik_ | whoah how did he make a webpage for his garage page? i wan do that too | 22:23 |
| Bigup | timeless: i've seen this url already but the post the user made says that it does not work, and it seems to be the only feedback | 22:23 |
| timeless | pupnik: eh? | 22:23 |
| timeless | pupnik: you mean like browser.garage.maemo.org? | 22:23 |
| cosmo | that mpd server was surprisingly easy to set up.. apt-get install and edit music dir to conf file | 22:23 |
| pupnik_ | the mmpc.garage.maemo.org has a custom webpage - yeah | 22:23 |
| WhisperingVoices | Timeless - I queried you about the Wiki | 22:23 |
| timeless | sorry, missed it | 22:24 |
| WhisperingVoices | Does the N800 have some sort of "congratulations, I am full" message when the battery finishes charging? | 22:24 |
| timeless | what did you query? | 22:24 |
| timeless | whisperingvoices: when it's on or off? | 22:24 |
| timeless | when it's off it'll say something like fully charged w/ a check mamrk iirc | 22:24 |
| WhisperingVoices | Off, I just plugged it in for the first time | 22:24 |
| WhisperingVoices | Okay, thanks | 22:24 |
| timeless | when it's on, in newer releases it might say something like "battery full, please unplug charger" | 22:24 |
| timeless | or it might not | 22:25 |
| WhisperingVoices | Also: the Maemo wiki's got nothing in the "evaluation" and "reorganisation" pages | 22:25 |
| * timeless shrugs | 22:25 | |
| WhisperingVoices | they're broken urls | 22:25 |
| timeless | url? | 22:25 |
| WhisperingVoices | http://maemo.org/community/MidgardWikiEvaluation | 22:25 |
| timeless | pupnik: ok | 22:25 |
| timeless | edit public info | 22:25 |
| WhisperingVoices | http://maemo.org/community/WikiReorg | 22:25 |
| timeless | there's a homepage link | 22:26 |
| timeless | that's half of it | 22:26 |
| timeless | i think the other half might be just having a www/ directory at the top of svn | 22:26 |
| * timeless wonders if that's true | 22:26 | |
| Bigup | timeless: did you personally try the kernel with nfs or do you use other protocols so as to access data on your home server? | 22:26 |
| pupnik_ | ok i'll just ask Holger of mmpc fame | 22:26 |
| timeless | i use gmail | 22:26 |
| Bigup | gmail with fuse? | 22:27 |
| timeless | i don't see why anyone would want to manage lots of storage using the maemo file manager | 22:27 |
| timeless | no, just gmail | 22:27 |
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| timeless | i don't use my n800 to build apps | 22:27 |
| Bigup | i don't want to manage a lot of storage, i just want to access my music or movies | 22:27 |
| timeless | and i don't use my n800 as an mp3 player/movie player | 22:27 |
| timeless | http :) | 22:27 |
| Bigup | to transfer then to the n800 | 22:27 |
| timeless | it's portable, everyone speaks it | 22:28 |
| timeless | and btw, linux support for nfs sucks | 22:28 |
| timeless | and nfs traditionally wedges badly | 22:28 |
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| Bigup | in general you mean? | 22:28 |
| timeless | neither are great reasons to consider it | 22:28 |
| timeless | nothing maemo specific in those comments | 22:28 |
| pupnik_ | true about the wedging | 22:29 |
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| Bigup | i use nfs at home | 22:29 |
| pupnik_ | i like nfs too - samba is a pig | 22:29 |
| timeless | you have my condolances | 22:29 |
| Bigup | :) | 22:29 |
| timeless | otoh, i use nfs at work, but it's running on opensolaris | 22:29 |
| timeless | so i have a decent nfs stack | 22:29 |
| Bigup | anyway i just consider cifs or nfs ton access remote data | 22:29 |
| * timeless shrugs | 22:30 | |
| timeless | http is my friend | 22:30 |
| Bigup | if i use http i'll have to wget directories to download my music | 22:30 |
| timeless | my box serves content via nfs and http, but i generally use htp | 22:30 |
| timeless | s/htp/http | 22:30 |
| Bigup | ok, but if i want do download 2 albums, i don't want to clik on 24 tracks | 22:31 |
| timeless | i think shoutcast or something makes more sense than nfs | 22:31 |
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| timeless | but it really depends on what you're actually trying to do | 22:31 |
| Bigup | just access data | 22:31 |
| timeless | if i want to download a movie, i'll plug my n800 into my desktop w/ usb | 22:31 |
| timeless | it's a lot faster | 22:31 |
| timeless | and the ue is better | 22:32 |
| Bigup | ue means? | 22:32 |
| timeless | ui=user interface. ue=user experience | 22:32 |
| Bigup | thanks | 22:33 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm off in search of food | 22:33 |
| Bigup | n800 behaves like usb mass storage? | 22:33 |
| Bigup | ok | 22:33 |
| Bigup | thanks for the answers | 22:33 |
| timeless | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ | 22:33 |
| timeless | says: | 22:33 |
| timeless | In normal circumstances, the USB Mass storage driver had control of the usb hardware. | 22:34 |
| timeless | Until the replacement occurs, the host computer will see the 770/n800 as just another mass storage device or an empty cable. | 22:34 |
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| timeless | answers brought to you by google | 22:34 |
| Bigup | thanks for the answers timeless :) | 22:35 |
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| Bigup | else i can use sftp | 22:36 |
| Bigup | i'll check if there is a (s)ftp client with gui | 22:36 |
| Bigup | it would solve everything | 22:37 |
| pupnik_ | i'm using scp - comes with ssh | 22:37 |
| Bigup | could do the trick | 22:37 |
| pupnik_ | scp -r etc | 22:37 |
| Bigup | yup | 22:37 |
| Bigup | but a simple ui could do the trick to browse the remote machine | 22:38 |
| pupnik_ | kinda slow though - averaging 200-300kB/s on large files | 22:38 |
| Bigup | like mc orsomething | 22:38 |
| pupnik_ | i should set up nfs but i'm too lazy | 22:38 |
| Bigup | i don't even know if nfs really works actually | 22:38 |
| twobithacker | might be able to speed up scp by using a faster cipher | 22:39 |
| Bigup | the only feedback on the website says no | 22:39 |
| pupnik_ | dropbear doesn't understand -c blowfish | 22:39 |
| pupnik_ | imo they should have included a "-c none" option but oh well | 22:40 |
| lardman | Is the n800 audio output limited to 8bit? I seem to remember reading that somewhere | 22:40 |
| pupnik_ | no way | 22:40 |
| lardman | ah, perhaps that was the input then | 22:41 |
| lardman | that would make more sense | 22:41 |
| Bigup | how do you guys access data stored on your server to trasfers from/to n800 ? | 22:42 |
| pupnik_ | timeless and I already answered that | 22:42 |
| Bigup | scp and http then | 22:43 |
| Bigup | will be scp for me | 22:43 |
| Bigup | but scp can be troublesome if you don't exactly know the name of the diretory you want to get (i probably have tens of music albums) | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | for music the gui would be much nicer | 22:45 |
| pupnik_ | why not try the nfs enabled kernel | 22:45 |
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| pupnik_ | just download the kernel and flash it to the device | 22:46 |
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| Bigup | pupnik: nfs would be great but on the page, the only feedback says that it does not work | 22:47 |
| lardman | kulve: I forgot to say, the kernel was the right one (at least it flashed ok and runs, I've not had to do any debugging yet) | 22:47 |
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| lardman | kulve: Thanks | 22:47 |
| Bigup | nfs would really be nice | 22:47 |
| Bigup | i just wondered if it really worked | 22:48 |
| Bigup | else it'll be scp | 22:48 |
| Bigup | anyway maemo seems really to be a nice os | 22:48 |
| Bigup | i've been a debian user for a few years, using it on the n800 will be pure pleasure ^^ | 22:49 |
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| pupnik | Bigup: yes, but 3rd party apps are spread across many private repositories - just need to adapt to that | 22:52 |
| Bigup | great then :) | 22:52 |
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| Bigup | as well as debian | 22:52 |
| pupnik | as far as debian goes, i'm a big sidux fan... tracking sid without the instability | 22:53 |
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| Bigup | pupnik: right, sidux seems really nice | 22:54 |
| Bigup | i'm using debian/testing mixed with a bit of unstable for compiz | 22:54 |
| pupnik | did you start with the deb bootstrap? | 22:55 |
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| Bigup | what do you mean? | 22:56 |
| pupnik | maybe i got the name wrong - there's a script and tarball somewhere that will set up a barebones debian system - great for small installs | 22:56 |
| Bigup | i think it's the right name yes | 22:57 |
| pupnik | http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap | 22:57 |
| Bigup | i have it installed | 22:57 |
| pupnik | i use it for a UML image | 22:58 |
| pupnik | so the server never sees the internet - only a UML debian running on it | 22:58 |
| Bigup | nice :) | 22:58 |
| _Monkey | nice :) is ssvb working on it? | 22:58 |
| cosmo | Bigup: i use sftp from pc to 770 over wlan to transfer files | 22:58 |
| Bigup | cosmo: command line sftp? | 22:59 |
| cosmo | no, gui | 22:59 |
| Bigup | nice | 22:59 |
| cosmo | well maybe sometimes scp if i feel oldschool | 22:59 |
| Bigup | what application on the n800 does provide a gui sftp? | 23:00 |
| Bigup | oups | 23:00 |
| Bigup | you said to the n800 | 23:00 |
| pupnik | nice :) | 23:00 |
| Bigup | i'm looking for a gui to transfer files on the n800 from the n800 | 23:00 |
| cosmo | yep, there's no sftp gui for maemo yet.. although it would be useful | 23:00 |
| pupnik | uh... there's no gui ftp client? | 23:01 |
| pupnik | MaemoFTP | 23:02 |
| _Monkey | i guess MaemoFTP is not for n800 | 23:02 |
| cosmo | dunno about ftp clients, haven't used ftp since 1998 or so ;) | 23:02 |
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| timelE61i | Presumably you could get sftp for gnomevfs... | 23:03 |
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| timelE61i | no idea if it would work w/ file manager... | 23:03 |
| pupnik | hmm, there's also sftp-server for the tablet | 23:04 |
| cosmo | pupnik: yep, openssh | 23:04 |
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| pupnik | _Monkey sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect where it is located. | 23:04 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: no idea | 23:04 |
| timelE61i | lol | 23:05 |
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| timelE61i | pupnik: backwhack \where | 23:06 |
| pupnik | maybe it's having trouble with the '-' | 23:06 |
| timelE61i | otherwise you're asking a question | 23:06 |
| pupnik | oh | 23:06 |
| pupnik | ty | 23:06 |
| timelE61i | better: weword to avoid | 23:07 |
| timelE61i | .. to reflect its location | 23:07 |
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| pupnik | forget sftp-server | 23:07 |
| pupnik | _Monkey, forget sftp-server | 23:07 |
| _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching sftp-server | 23:07 |
| timelE61i | it didn't learn. | 23:08 |
| timelE61i | you asked a very long and convoluted question | 23:08 |
| pupnik | _Monkey. sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect its location | 23:08 |
| timelE61i | to which it answered it didn't know | 23:08 |
| pupnik | sftp-server? | 23:08 |
| timelE61i | : not . ? | 23:08 |
| pupnik | 22:04 <_Monkey> ...but _monkey. sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect where it is located... | 23:09 |
| timelE61i | that wasn't address | 23:09 |
| pupnik | i brokeded it :( | 23:09 |
| timelE61i | _monkey: forget _monkey. Sftp-server | 23:10 |
| _Monkey | timelE61i: I forgot _monkey. sftp-server | 23:10 |
| pupnik | sftp-server? | 23:10 |
| pupnik | sftp-server | 23:10 |
| timelE61i | that was passive learning | 23:10 |
| pupnik | _Monkey. sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect its location | 23:11 |
| _Monkey | i already had it that way, pupnik. | 23:11 |
| pupnik | i PMed the training to reduce traffic here | 23:11 |
| pupnik | what could be causing problems now? | 23:11 |
| timelE61i | replace _monkey. With _monkey: | 23:11 |
| pupnik | oh | 23:11 |
| pupnik | works now | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | _monkey: forget _monkey. Sftp-server | 23:12 |
| _Monkey | timelE61i: I forgot _monkey. sftp-server | 23:12 |
| pupnik | aargh | 23:12 |
| timelE61i | please pay attn | 23:12 |
| pupnik | i had it working with : | 23:12 |
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| timelE61i | typing on this phone isn't fun | 23:13 |
| pupnik | i understand now - thanks for the expl | 23:13 |
| timelE61i | i only type what is necessary | 23:13 |
| pupnik | you're fast | 23:13 |
| timelE61i | np | 23:13 |
| timelE61i | i'm generally walking too :) | 23:14 |
| timelE61i | wanna help me find a flight from HEL..VIE? | 23:15 |
| xorAxAx | from hell to vienna? | 23:17 |
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| gogol | ha | 23:18 |
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| sp3000 | hell to vierumäki | 23:18 |
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| timelyx | hrm, no? | 23:21 |
| pupnik | i am not familiar with flight booking sites | 23:24 |
| pupnik | timelyx: yes/no are you looking for cheapest or soonest flight? | 23:26 |
| pupnik | argh - cheapest? | 23:26 |
| WhisperingVoices | Quick question - how can I set my desktop background on the N800? | 23:29 |
| zakx | WhisperingVoices: open the menu on the home screen | 23:30 |
| zakx | there's an option for it | 23:30 |
| timelyx | i expect to fly sep 7 hel=>vie, and return from par=>hel oct 7 | 23:31 |
| timelyx | constraint is i'd like to arrive before 5pm on friday, and leave relatively late on sunday | 23:31 |
| timelyx | airberlin found me a 260EUR flight that arrives 6pm (not ideal) | 23:31 |
| timelyx | esp since i have no idea how far out of the city i am and how long it'd take for me to get settled | 23:32 |
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| WhisperingVoices | zakx - any idea where more specifically ? I've looked around and I can open the image but not set it as abackground | 23:32 |
| timelyx | lufthansa has a ~500USD path for the "round" trip | 23:32 |
| timelyx | although i didn't record the time stamps | 23:32 |
| zakx | WhisperingVoices: step 1: make sure being on the home screen. it should say "Home" on top and you should see your applets. | 23:33 |
| WhisperingVoices | ah-hah | 23:33 |
| WhisperingVoices | alright thanks | 23:33 |
| zakx | WhisperingVoices: step 2: press either the arrow next to the "Home" label or the softkey for menus (that's the middle one) | 23:33 |
| WhisperingVoices | I hit Home but that's not the same thing | 23:33 |
| WhisperingVoices | yea done it now | 23:33 |
| zakx | k | 23:34 |
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| Bigup | thanks for everything | 23:37 |
| Bigup | and good night! | 23:37 |
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