IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-08-28

timelyxsp3000: =)00:00
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erstazipupnik: so synergy is for when you are VNC'ing?00:00
pupniktimelyx: will make .installs when i move finished packages to maemo.org00:00
lle2timelyx: lost it already :(00:00
pupnikerstazi: no, synergy lets you use the desktop mouse and keyboard on the tablet00:01
erstazipupnik: obviously through USB, heh00:01
erstazior bluetooth00:01
_Monkeybluetooth is the wrong way to do things like this00:01
pupnikno wlan/bluetooth00:01
lle2tko: not really a bug reporting page, it seemed more like an address harvester for marketing department00:01
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erstazille2: did you see the forum link I pasted?00:01
lle2erstazi: sure00:02
erstazille2: it might be FUD, but some useful information there (:00:02
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lle2erstazi: I bet they are quite disappointed with what they collect from the /etc/passwd of all the n800s00:02
erstazille2: heh00:02
timelyxlle2: do they ask for it?00:02
erstazille2: but another mode of communication would be their forums00:02
timelyxor is that the skype conspiracy stuff?00:03
erstazitimelyx: the latter haha00:03
erstaziI was just messing00:03
erstazibut my point to lle2 was that he could post something on the skype forums about his problem since its a linux distro00:03
lle2tko: funny that the page didn't promise to get back on the problem, only that they would spam you with ads if you ticked any of the boxes00:04
erstazille2: Skype on Devices (Like N800):
erstazithere ya go00:04
tkolle2: at least they're honest?00:04
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lle2erstazi: I'll wait how the official nokia support channel works first :)00:05
erstazille2: heh, watch, you get the same response as you did here haha00:06
lle2probably even less00:06
timelyxerstazi: it's not really qgil's fault00:06
timelyxhe has a fledgling bugzilla he's trying to grow00:06
erstazitimelyx: I know, I am *not* downing qgil, I have the most respect for him00:07
timelyxanyone here understand how internet radio works?00:07
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timelyxis showcast handled by the framework?00:07
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infobottimelyx meant: is shoutcast handled by the framework?00:07
erstazitimelyx: I know where the xml file is that loads the favourites00:07
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erstazille2: have you tried this?
lle2I guess tending bugzilla is a bit like growing them funny tiny trees00:08
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timelyxlle2: speaking as someone working on bonsai00:08
sp3000timelyx: what all do you want for 39400:09
sp3000microb complains, opera launches mediaplayer which complains00:09
sp3000unsupported format in  both cases00:09
lle2erstazi: no, let's see how far I can go with that support tool :)00:10
sp3000I'll comment for a bit more str00:10
erstazille2: tell me the outcome00:10
erstazille2: I am interested00:10
lle2erstazi: just forwarded me to the standard skype ticket submission page, how lame00:11
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lle2got to click "no" on about five irrelevant suggestions00:12
sp3000lle2: this one issue reported on N800 at got some sort of response00:13
timelyxooh, there's a second spammer00:14
* sp3000 wonders what they mean by "developer" there ;)00:14
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Jaffatimelyx: hmm, with my new perms I can't vote on #121000:17
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timelyxJaffa: votes and perms don't relate00:18
Jaffatimelyx: ok, cool. Ah, voting's per-product IIRC, isn't it?00:18
timelyxvotes are per product and generally relate to the person (me) failing to set them up as people expect00:18
timelyxok, i've fixed voting, mostly00:20
timelyxit's set generally for 1 vote to confirm, 20 votes per product, 1 vote per bug00:20
lle2sp3000: skype's webform was really cool, much better than nokia's harvester00:20
timelyxbrowser requires 3 votes to confir, and misdirected requires 20 to confirm00:20
timelyxi'll probably bump the others to 3 votes when people realize they can confirm their own bugs00:21
timelyx(which will of course happen after people start not being able to file bugs as new)00:22
amranyone here ever used theme maker?00:22
timelyxlle2 / sp3000: ideas on 1650 ?00:22
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timelyxamr: it's ~half past midnight00:22
timelyxtigert probably has, and he might be around in say 10hrs00:22
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amrits 20 past 10 here00:23
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lle2timelyx: that's a hardware problem, probably00:25
lle2timelyx: really cool effect though00:26
lle2ooh, skype's system sent me a confirmation that they've actually received the bug report00:27
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disq<- back in town00:34
disqtimelE61: i see you've moved some of my voted bugs to other categories where my votes were removed. i just re-voted for about 15 bugs :P00:35
timelyxdisq: sorry00:35
disqgood job on the organizing though :)00:35
timelyxi usually don't pay any attn to votes00:35
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timelyxi'm down to about 4 bugs in media00:36
disqi don't care as long as there are notifications00:36
lle2timelyx: hmm, does that make you a republican then?00:36
timelyxlle2: no, i'm an apathetic american ex-patriot00:36
timelyxwhich reminds me, i need to fill out my absentee thing00:37
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pupnik"They call em fingers, but I never seen 'em fing.  Oh.  There they go..."00:37
timelyxanyway, help :)00:37
timelyxok, i'm down to 6 bugs in nokia 77000:39
timelyxthen it bites the dust00:40
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GeneralAntillesAnybody point me to a tutorial for creating application launchers (the kind that you open in the system menu)?00:40
GeneralAntillesI want to create a new wrapper for FBReader that executes a couple shell commands before it launches the app.00:41
pupnikthe general 'porting to maemo' howtos should suffice GeneralAntilles00:41
GeneralAntillesI want to sync the "state" prefs for FBReader over multiple devices.00:42
GeneralAntilles(two 770s and an N800)00:42
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timelyxcould someone please do me a favor?00:43
timelyxthere are only 4 bugs left in nokia 77000:43
timelyxand i can't figure out where to put them00:43
c0ffeewhich ones?00:43
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sp3000I suppose 460 is system general00:46
sp3000or system watchdog00:46
lle2100 is just funny00:47
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timelessi keep considering commenting00:47
timelessi'm left handed00:47
timelessi think it's better suited for left handed people than right handed00:48
pupnikyou use the stylus in right hand?00:48
lle2might be, I kinda would vote for removing all buttons to make it equally miserable for all00:48
timelessour device isn't an iphone00:48
timelesswe need to get some zoom features first00:49
sp3000better submenu visibility :)00:49
c0ffeei want cows00:49
timelessi want fewer modal dialogs00:49
timelessheck, fewer dialogs00:49
sp3000I'll have a pony00:49
c0ffeei'll have a nap00:49
c0ffeelaters &00:49
lle2I guess 100 has to be misdirected00:50
pupniki can't help in filing those timeless00:50
timelessshould we move 100 to xserver?\00:51
lle2no :)00:51
timelesssince the root thing is that we can't do rotate00:51
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timelessi know it'd get me one very unhappy  dev :)00:51
sp3000system & desktop / this and that ;)00:51
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lle2since that bugzilla is not about products, it shouldn't have any product wishlist items in it00:52
* timeless nods00:52
sp3000well ok not so much desktop for 18000:52
lle2filing a new bug about enabling randr might be valid00:53
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lle2misdirected:nokia yes00:53
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sp3000598 sounds like a system general00:54
timelessanyway, please move things when you find places00:55
sp3000717 dunno, it's this product rfe00:55
timelessdon't wait for me00:55
sp3000just a grace period for seconds / objections :)00:58
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sp3000I'm supposed to use eassign to default am I not01:00
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sp3000presuming the qa at maemo assign/qac settings are not precious01:01
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sp3000rusty triage instincts01:03
pupniki think *name omitted* at nokia is pushing for randr over xsp for coming tablet versions01:06
lle2I'm highly supportive of that01:07
pupnikmain benefit would be for portrait mode users, but the left handed thing would be trivial with randr01:08
lle2although randr forces shadow buffers for everything, consuming more memory01:08
lle2and more copying01:09
pupnikinteresting, i didn't know that01:09
lle2at least that's how it was when I last looked at it01:09
lle2that's why it was originally not used01:10
pupnikwhat do you work on lle2?01:10
lle2the core sw for the tablets01:11
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dick-richardsontimelyx: when a new phone is supported, do we have to wait for the next release or is there an update we can run?01:12
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pupnikdo you think there will be a developer program for the next tablet?01:12
lle2if randr integrates well with the compositing stuff, then it's a clearly a go01:13
pupnikI'd like to get started early.01:13
pupniksorry, i won't ask nda type questions01:13
pupniki think ITOS is great and don't empathise with much of the criticism, which is usually very uninformed01:15
* pupnik gets back to work01:15
lle2if something is not right, it's always useful to point it out. other's can then judge for themselves if it's valid or not. personally I care about the number of sold devices and the ability to get our code merged to upstream, everything else is pretty irrelevant.01:19
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* sp3000 throws a bucket of rabid kittens at the recent nokia site reorg that deleted human readable links to products01:21
sp3000*cough* it's the nokia 404!01:22
erstazisp3000: you mean without spaces?01:22
* sp3000 sighs01:22
erstazisp3000: I can change that real quick01:22
sp3000I'm completely offtopically taking about
infoboterstazi meant: sorry01:22
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sullyNew Nokia Bluetooth accessories:
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DaniloCesarToni, Tony Maro?02:06
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sp3000SUDO PWEROFF02:15
* pupnik hands sp3000 a nut02:15
* sp3000 giggles02:15
sp3000both caps /and/ wrong terminal /and/ typoed02:15
* sp3000 wins, not sure what02:16
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* sp3000 wonders how he managed to get screen to look like it switched windows but not actually switch windows02:17
* sp3000 shrugs02:17
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sp3000let's try this again02:17
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kupesoftSo when02:31
kupesoftSo when's USB host mode coming anyway!02:31
kupesoft(On the n800 at least)02:31
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pupnikyaay flex!02:46
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erstazihow did I miss that netsplit02:49
erstaziits coming for me!02:50
Blacksitoxnetsplit yeah!02:50
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pupnikwootness - menu bug in freesci fixed03:07
pupnikif anyone wants faster games porting i would take a gp2x on loan03:10
Sulishaha, i've got a gp2x which currently has no firmware...03:11
pupnikcan it be flashed?03:12
Suliswell last time i tried it started the flashing process, but never finished it03:12
Sulisi left it on for *hours*03:13
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pupnikhi NeoStrider03:14
NeoStriderhi pupnik03:14
NeoStriderwhats up?03:14
pupnikworking on freesci03:14
_Monkeysomebody said freesci was the Interpreter/Emulator for Sierra On-Line adventure games.  Test and comment! 770/N800 compatible testing version here
NeoStriderwhy  I still get surprised!?03:18
NeoStriderhá! cool vbkd support!03:19!03:19
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grosadoes anyone have a mirrored copy of ?03:19
grosai'm trying to integrate my bt-pan scripts with the connection manager.03:20
grosaas per instructions on
NeoStriderthis xkbd thing rocks!!!03:20
pupniki don't know grosa03:23
pupnikyeah NeoStrider - you see the screenshot?03:23
NeoStriderI wanna use it!!!03:23
grosaheh, so all you need now is two tablets. one to use as a keyb for the other.03:24
grosa(actually, that seems kinda cool)03:25
NeoStridergrosa, whats your point?03:27
grosaNeoStrider: that it would be awesomely geeky.03:27
NeoStriderpupnik: incompatible package version!03:27
NeoStridergrosa: why two tablets?03:27
grosahrm, so if i can't get the connection manager stuff to work... plan b: how do i add/change dock menu items?03:28
grosaNeoStrider: so you can use one as a bt-keyboard for the other.03:28
grosaNeoStrider: and not take up screenspace on 1 with a virtual keyb.03:28
NeoStriderwhy is xkbd gives a kbd for non-hildon stuff03:28
NeoStriderthe xkbd is good enough03:28
pupniksorry NeoStrider not my package - use dpkg -i03:29
_Monkeysomebody said root was not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.03:29
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NeoStriderrequires root =-/03:32
NeoStriderI will build it myself later03:32
DaniloCesarSomeone knows why pygame window is not showed in the windows list when I call "pygame.display.set_mode([xxx,xxx])" (pymaemo)03:32
SulisNeoStrider: why not just ssh to root?03:33
NeoStriderssh requires internet connectivity, right?03:33
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NeoStrideror at least usbnet03:33
NeoStriderneither I have now03:33
Sulisssh...from the tablet...03:34
Sulisif you do: ssh root@127.103:35
NeoStriderssh from the tablet to the tablet...genious!!!!03:36
Sulisnot genious, just practical03:37
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NeoStridergenius is the man who sees the simple things that were right on our faces...03:37
NeoStriderback to zero...there are only .install ssh's03:40
dick-richardsontimelyx: when a new phone is supported, do we have to wait for the next release or is there an update we can run?03:40
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NeoStriderwhy seems that my sbox doesnt have internet acess?03:54
NeoStrideractually it has03:55
NeoStriderapt hasnt03:55
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NeoStriderhow to download microb-browser .deb?04:08
_Monkeymicrob is, like, the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)04:09
pupnikhmm bad _Monkey04:09
pupniksee browser04:09
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NeoStrideras usual, only .installs04:11
pupnikthis is bad?04:16
pupnikyou can look at install and get the deb with apt04:16
NeoStrideryeah...but its not working04:16
NeoStriderbad dependencies...04:16
NeoStridercan you download it for me?04:16
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pupnikhmm i look04:21
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pupnikcheck ITT forums for problem description NeoStrider04:22
pupnikthe .install worked for me on it2006 :|04:29
NeoStrideryou have wifi04:30
NeoStriderI dont04:30
NeoStriderbut nevermind04:30
NeoStridergot a web acess on the repo04:30
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Andy80I've just discovered MicroB for N770...04:43
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Andy80I've read about flash9 license problem.. ok... but... is it possible to have the flash9 plugin?04:44
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* NeoStrider is now serving fresh angstron on MOSH04:55
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pupnikAndy80: don't know - lettuce know how it works for you04:59
Andy80ok, thanks :) I'll give a look tomorrow!05:00
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kupesoftArg, setting up maemo is a nightmare!05:12
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NeoStriderkupesoft: whats the matter?05:13
kupesoftNeoStrider: I've already given up (;05:14
kupesoftWill you be around tomorrow to help out?05:14
NeoStriderbut whats the matter?05:14
kupesoftI'm finding the documentation too inaccessible05:14
kupesofti. e. no simple guide,05:15
NeoStriderthere are some simple guides around the web05:15
NeoStriderlet me get you some05:15
kupesoftI don't know which scratchbox packages to downloda specificly05:15
NeoStriderwhat version you want to develop for?05:16
kupesoftI just want to tinker and compile some stuff05:16
kupesoftn800, updated to the newest firmware05:16
NeoStriderso you're using maemo 3 (3.1? im not sure)05:16
NeoStriderDownload Scratchbox 1.0.7 and cs2005q3.2-glibc toolchains05:17
kupesoftI'm not using maemo anything, I haven't installed it on my laptop05:17
NeoStriderDownload SDK rootstrap, too05:17
NeoStrideri mean on device05:17
NeoStrideryour device runs maemo 3.x05:17
NeoStriderso you must get sbox 1.0.7 and the cs2005q3.2-glibc toolchains05:18
NeoStriderthen the rootstraps05:18
kupesoftWhich packages exactly on an x86 debian variant (guess which one ;( )05:18
NeoStriderfollow this:
NeoStriderlet me suggest you something? go with .tgz05:18
NeoStriderI use ubuntu 7.04 and found it easier to use .tgz05:19
NeoStrider(I've been playing around maemo since 1.0)05:19
kupesoftso which exactly @ ?05:19
pupniktook me a few days kupesoft, don't worry05:19
NeoStriderit took me some weeks =-)05:20
kupesoftI just want to compile a kernel module and some command line tools,05:20
pupnikuntil i understood enough to really do things it took me weeks also05:20
NeoStriderkupesoft: pick anything 1.0.705:20
kupesoftHow difficult is this going to be?05:21
NeoStriderkupesoft: modules? quite hard, I guess05:21
pupnikcommand line tools can take < 2 minutes to compile05:21
pupnikkernel modules dunno05:21
NeoStridercommand line tools: straightforward05:21
kupesoftkernel modules: ???05:21
NeoStriderIm just a game developer...never messed with anything like that05:21
kupesoftMy main goal is  to update the wireless driver and get the experimental USB host mode patches working05:22
NeoStriderI shouldnt , indeed. I must simulate the user's machine on my machine05:22
kupesoftI'm comfortable with compiling a kernel for the sucker, I just want to get Maemo set up (;05:22
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kupesoftDo I need the scratchbox-libs package?05:28
NeoStridereverything =-)05:28
NeoStridersbox is somewhat big05:28
pupnikhow about not drawing the floor NeoStrider?  just walls, lines and racers?05:29
kupesoftAnd which devkit should I pick?05:29
NeoStriderbut then I loose lots of ambient details (i guess)05:29
NeoStriderbut I will try it05:29
NeoStriderthanks for the idea05:29
NeoStrideranyway, maybe the performance doesnt worth loosing the details05:30
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kupesoftYeah, this is way to complicated.05:33
NeoStriderkupesoft: whats the options?05:33
kupesoftThere's 6 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc* packages,05:34
NeoStriderpick the 1.0.705:35
* kupesoft gives up as per before,05:35
kupesoftthe arm - i386 one?05:35
* kupesoft resumes05:35
NeoStriderthe i386 for "emulation" , the arm for device05:35
kupesoftokay, I've got libs core and the two toolchains05:37
kupesoftFollowing the instructions on,05:38
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kupesoftWhich rootstrap do I want?05:46
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kupesoftNeoStrider: ?05:47
NeoStridershow me the options05:47
kupesofti386 or armel05:48
kupesoftAnd there's no 3.2, just a 3.1 (I gather I can apt-get dist-upgrade?)05:48
NeoStridertheres no 3.2 yet05:48
NeoStriderI guess there will not be a 3.205:48
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kupesoftNeoStrider: I found *good* docs @
kupesoftin 3.105:56
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NeoStriderI got to go anyway!05:57
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kupesoftsudo ./ -s /scratchbox -u dave06:01
kupesoftThat wasn't very hard at all (;06:01
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coderangerAnyone know if I can hack an N800 to do 802.1x?06:18
coderangerIts already got the PEAP/GTC and PEAP/MSCHAP, just seems like a question of UI06:19
pbryanI think you'd need an authenticator, like hostapd?06:20
coderangerAlternaively is there a way to rip out the nokia network tool and use NetworkManager (with wpa_supplicant in this case)06:20
pbryanI don't think I've seen NetworkManager ported yet.06:21
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coderangerooh, someone cross-compiled vpnc, that will work too06:25
coderanger(/me grumbles about Uni networks)06:25
GeneralAntillesHehe, hassle the head of the IT department until they fix it.06:26
coderangerGeneralAntilles: Working on it ;06:26
GeneralAntillesThankfully my Uni is Radius06:27
pbryanvpnc performs 802.1x authentication?!06:27
coderangerNo, we run both a VPN-secured wireless net, and a 802.1x one06:28
coderangeryes, its just as crazy as it sounds06:28
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pbryanIt makes a bit of sense.06:29
coderangerThe VPN is the older system, the concentrators are just slowly dying as there are more devices on it06:29
pbryanWell, as long as it'll support vpnc, probably your easiest way on.06:30
pbryan802.1x would be nice though.06:31
coderangernetworkmanager seems like a natural thing to port06:31
pbryanYeah. Seems that the Nokia version of networking has *very* similar functionality.06:32
coderangerJust will probably need a new frontend06:32
coderanger(but its all just dbus)06:32
* pbryan wonders what Ubuntu Mobile will use...06:32
pbryanAnyone know if there'll be a port of Ubuntu Mobile to N800?06:32
pbryanARM, in other words?06:33
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kupesoftMy scratchbox doesn't appear to have internet connectivity07:00
kupesoftapt-get update fails07:00
dick-richardsonwhen a new phone is supported, do we have to wait for the next release or is there an update we can run?07:01
_Monkeyi heard Phone was for voice and data07:02
dick-richardsonpbryan: yeah, if motorola releases a new phone, for example, and the n800 doesn't pair w/it...07:02
dick-richardsondo we have to flash the OS, or is there generally a patch07:03
sullyNone of the above really07:03
pbryanUh, hmm.07:03
sullyWhat won't be supported probably will stay unsupported07:03
pbryanAs far as I know, if the phone properly supports the DUN profile, it should work.07:04
pbryanI don't think there are patches for specific phones .07:04
pupnikkupesoft google: scratchbox and nsswitch and apt-get07:05
dick-richardsonkk. I ask because I put in a bug for my phone, which supports DUN but won't work w/my n800. I'm trying to decide if I should keep it in hopes it will work in the future07:05
pbryanHmm, I wouldn't hold my breath...07:06
kupesoftpupnik: ...?07:07
kupesoftsilly me );07:09
kupesoftpupnik: Works, wonderful07:10
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kupesoftSo why use the i386 target?07:22
pupnik_bieri do not - it might be useful for some debugging07:23
kupesofti. e. it's faster?07:23
kupesoftAnd do I need to upgrade module-init-tools?07:24
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timelessdoes anything prevent me from changing ~/MyDocs/.documents to be a symlink to /media/mmc1/.documents ?07:29
timelessand what happens if i do that?07:29
kupesoftshould work fine, but YMMV07:29
erstazitimeless: no07:30
erstazitimeless: I do it all the time07:30
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sparri want that07:42
sparras a hildon plugin07:42
sparrtheir logic is probably quite similar to the iphone07:42
timelyxok. nokia 770 no longer exists in bugs.maemo.org07:43
pbryanBecause the Nokia 770 no longer exists? :-P07:43
sparri think handheld text input is starting to progress a lot07:44
sparrunfortunately there are so many companies working towards the same goals and not sharing  :(07:44
timelyxpbryan: no, because is a software platform07:44
timelyxand having hardware based categorizations leads to bad redundancy and lost bugs07:44
sparrthats an optimized stroke-able keyboard07:47
sparrthe idea being that you don't lift the stylus, just drag from letter to letter07:47
sparrlift only when you reach a dead end07:47
sparror, in more advanced systems, dont lift at all, let the computer figure out where you meant to go07:48
pbryantimelyx: Makes sense.07:48
timelyxthank you07:50
timelyxnext step is for me to fix the haf-qa stuff07:51
timelyxi'll do that from work07:51
kupesoftI've got maemo up, but it's got no applications installed...07:59
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timelessum, silly question09:51
timelessis tehre a public web page w/ an email address for qgil?09:51
timeless(and yes, i could walk to his office, that's not the point)09:51
inztimeless, his email address provides quite a few hits on google, but no "contact information"-page per se09:54
inztimeless, btw, if you're still interested in Harry,
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timelessi am09:56
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timelessknow anyone else up for it, or is that just for me09:56
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timelessfwiw, http://swift/~timeless/blog/news/8/09:57
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timelessinz: i p resume you can read that10:02
timelessin case people are curious, i expect it to be posted publicly today, so it's not really hiding or anything, just draft for comments10:03
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timelessdoes anyone else see two bullets before Network: GSM 900 ?10:31
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inztimeless, still on summer vac, so can't yet10:33
cosmois it really so that maemo app installer cannot install dependencies for package installed from deb file?10:34
timelesscosmo: it was a concious choice, yes10:35
timelesscreate a file: repository10:35
cosmoif i have a custom package with a dependency that is found on maemo repositories, how should i handle that?10:36
JaffaMorning, all10:36
Jaffacosmo: upload it to a repository10:36
cosmodistributing deb file doesn't work as installer can't d/l the dependency package10:36
cosmoJaffa: commercial software, should be installable from mmc10:37
timelesscosmo: you can have a .install file w/ a file: repository10:38
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cosmotimeless: can it d/l the dependency file from other repository if the custom package is at file: repository?10:39
timelessafaiu, yes10:39
cosmook, thanks10:39
timelessbut try it  of course :)10:40
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cosmoi'll let my colleague know (he actually has the problem currently)10:40
cosmoi still think it's quite stupid choice not to install dependencies for deb package10:40
timelessyou're not alone, but like the rest of us, you're being ignored10:41
cosmoso what is the reason?10:41
timelessthe belief is that everyone should use repositories10:41
cosmohow about commercial software which cannot?10:42
timelesssorry, i don't follow10:42
cosmoif you write a commercial application which you don't want to distribute for free, you can't put it in a repository10:43
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cosmoalso users without network connection are another use case10:43
cosmothink something like navicore10:43
timelessso, as i said repeatedly, you can have a file: repository10:43
timelessand, are you sure you can't have http auth for apt repositories?10:44
cosmoi haven't ever seen such thing10:44
cosmook.. thank you so solution for this case would be file: repository with all dependencies in it10:45
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timelessyou'd want to play w/ it a bit, it's not my area, i asked the engineer about it a while ago10:46
timelesshe said someone was free to work on improving apt upstream to support it10:46
timelessit basically sounds like a bug/design of apt not so much of the installer10:47
cosmoat least ubuntu package installer installs dependencies happily when installing a deb package10:47
* timeless shrugs10:48
timelessi'm not a debian person, i asked the questions a while ago, i'm repeating hte answers as best as i can recall from memory10:48
timelesspersonally, i think it's stupid10:48
timelessbut, i have better things to do, and don't quite care enough to hack apt at this time10:49
timelessand yes, i've hacked apt10:49
timelessif you're interested in hacking apt, contact the application manager maintainer and ask for information about how to do it10:49
timelessi think he'll share10:49
cosmoi think it'll settle for the file: repository10:50
timelessanyway, generally speaking10:50
timelessdeb https://username:password@server:port/repository/path foopy/barpy blah bah black sheep10:50
cosmoi've got other projects to hack currently10:50
timelessbut yeah, it looks like apt-get willl challenge you for user/password if it isn't provided10:51
cosmohm, that would work if you generate a .install file for each user10:51
timelessi'm not sure if you can use certificates10:51
timelesswhich would make more sense10:51
cosmothat would be a smart way to distribute commercial sw10:52
timelessfeel free to figure out itf it works10:53
timelessif it doesn't, complain to debian :)10:53
timelessor better, pay canonical to fix it :)10:53
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mk8_virtualHi to all ... I try to upgrade my nokia SDK 3.1 to 3.2 but if I follow the instruction the apt-get utility tell me that there is nothing to upgrade11:04
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AD-N770good morning11:17
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pupnik_bierwe are saving the world sort-of11:18
pupnik_bierfrom microsoft-only on pdas11:18
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pupnikno reason to understimate the potential of maemo11:19
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florianhi all11:32
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timelessis there any page that describes IT OS versions?11:56
pupnikyou should know that better than I12:00
pupnikwell ... you seem to know this stuff12:01
timelessnow i'm accused of knowing things, i'm really in trouble12:01
pupniki haven't seen one12:01
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timelessis as confusing for you as it is for me?12:13
timeless   3.12:13
timelessThe identification number is printed on the label underneath the battery. The identification number is given separately for WLAN and Bluetooth connections, and it consist of 12 characters.12:13
timelesscouldn't they have said something like Ignore the BT thing?12:14
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timelessum, what's 3.1's codename? 3.0=bora, 3.2=bora, 3.1=bora?12:22
sp3000bork bork bork12:22
timelessi'm thoroughly confused12:22
dpb_Yeah, it's all bora :)12:23
timelesswhat are the public codenames for 1.0 and 1.1?12:24
timelessand would it make more sense to list things newest to oldest or oldest to newest?12:25
inztimeless, I think 1.0 and 1.1 didn't have codenames12:26
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timelessok, try this, load:12:27
timelessclick the last link on the page12:27
pupnikeep opp orp ah ah!12:27
* timeless thinks someone did chmod -r12:28
inztimeless, I think the files are missing from the mirror servers12:28
inztimeless, notice the server name in the 404 message12:29
timelessi get ossostage.cidercone.com12:30
timelesswhat are my choices?12:30
dpb_Doesn't cidercone host the main site?12:30
Ionakka<timeless> um, what's 3.1's codename? 3.0=bora, 3.2=bora, 3.1=bora?   <--- perhaps it should be "bored"?12:31
inzdpb, indeed it does, I may have misunderstood something12:31
mk8_virtualI retray to make the same question .....12:31
sp3000eject -t ?12:32
mk8_virtualHi to all ... I try to upgrade my nokia SDK 3.1 to 3.2 but if I follow the instruction the apt-get utility tell me that there is nothing to upgrade12:32
inzmk8, did you run apt-get update before upgrade?12:32
mk8_virtualNo ... simply install 3.1 sdk ...12:32
mk8_virtualand after I follow the instruction in the 3.2 SDK.12:33
mk8_virtualchage the source.lists file12:33
inzAfter changing the sources.list, you must run apt-get update to download the new package lists12:33
mk8_virtualthe strange thing it is that I try to update apt-get update without changed I obtain several error 'couse the system not found the external repository12:34
mk8_virtualinz ... sorry for my english12:34
mk8_virtualinz. I can remove the source.list and retry to update 3.1 environment ....12:35
inzmk8, do you get something like "Temporary failure resolving ''"?12:35
inzThe infamous ;)12:36
mk8_virtualif you want I can post the exact message that I have12:36
mk8_virtual"Failed to fetch  Could not resolve '' "12:36
mk8_virtualok inz ... I go to read it12:37
timelessBug 1923 Submitted12:38
_MonkeyBug 1923 might be found at
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timelesscould we fire _monkey and get a useful bot?12:38
timelessone that pulls bug summaries would be nice12:38
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mk8_virtualinz ... I must add the IP address to the hosts file. Now the system going to upgrade. Thanks12:46
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timelesshey inz, you found a skype reporting page, right?12:52
timelesshow do i contact nokia if my  770 or n800 has a hardware problem?12:52
mk8_virtualinz: ... now I have an error from apt-get that say "/scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/utmp': Operation not permitted"12:52
mk8_virtualI try to add the maemo user to the root groups but seems not work ... :(12:53
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mk8_virtualinz: I try to reboot my VM image but I still to have this error during installation: /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/utmp': Operation not permitted13:11
mk8_virtualCan you help me?13:11
pupnikalways happy to help our italian allies13:12
kulvemk8_virtual: apt-get inside sb?13:13
kulvetry "fakeroot apt-get .."13:13
kulveas there is no root inside SB13:13
mk8_virtualthank kulve13:14
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tsohmm, looking at it seems that we soon can build our very own N800's...13:25
tsobtw, take a look at their modules under coming soon :P13:26
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mk8_virtualkulve: at the last I run fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade but if I try to run "dpkg-query -l | grep maemo-sdk-meta" I obtain the 3.1-1 version and not the 3.2 ...14:20
mk8_virtualit is this correct? I suppose no14:21
kulvemk8_virtual: I'm not sure14:23
kulveI can't access my SB target now to verify14:23
kulvebut it shouldn't be a big deal. I think the differencies weren't that big in those SDKs14:23
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xorAxAxhmm, is there no ntp* package for maemo?14:26
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kulveseems so14:35
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tsohmm, the 770 browser using microb is anything but stable imo...14:42
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Ionakka<xorAxAx> hmm, is there no ntp* package for maemo?   <--- standard debian one should work fine (after rebuild for armel)15:45
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xorAxAxIonakka: ok, any how to for the build-env?15:47
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Ionakka   <--- just get the source package (tarball and debian diff), extract it under sbox and run dpkg-buildpackage15:53
Ionakkayou might need to change the section from debian/control15:54
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xorAxAxIonakka: yeah15:58
xorAxAxdoes my 770 run maemo 3?15:58
kulveIonakka: maybe one should go to a directory outside sb (that is seen inside properly too), and write "apt-get source ntp" (in debian env). Then inside sb one writes "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot". If the ntp package is installed with apt-get or App.mgr in red pill mode, no section modification is needed15:58
kulvexorAxAx: nope15:58
xorAxAxthen i should use the 2.2 tutorial? :)15:59
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xorAxAxkulve: sounds straightforward, ok :)15:59
Ionakkakulve: i know that, but it is a good idea to make the package installable for even those who doesn't know anything about red pill modes16:00
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Ionakkabut again, i guess there isn't so many people who is not able to use dpkg but are able to ues ntpdate :D16:01
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MoRpHeUzrenatofilho: ping16:14
xorAxAxIonakka: i would use the command line16:16
xorAxAxand not this weird package manager :)16:16
renatofilhohi MoRpHeUz16:16
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sciboyDoes IT2007 come with a good file manager? I use directories to sort and filter information during my day, and I rely heavily on easily dragging and dropping them, as well as being able to pop that information open quickly.16:21
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kulvesciboy: noy16:22
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sciboyIs there any additional applications that do the job?16:22
kulveI think gpe/whatever has a filemanager?16:23
sciboyLooks pretty basic though.16:23
kulveand the built-in FM can do drag'n'drop.. It's pretty much the same as in it2006, if you ahve used it..16:23
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sciboyI haven't, I'm really on the border about getting an n800 at least until they make an Australian release.16:24
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sciboyAt minimum, I need two columns (or windows) the folder I have open and a list of folders I can drag the files to.16:27
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kulveI think you need to select the files you want by dragging over them, then select copy from menu, then find the destination folder and select copy from menu..16:35
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erstaziwhat is that app that gives you two statusbars of processor and ram and does screen shots?16:42
erstaziI forgot16:42
erstazi_Monkey: screen shot?16:42
_Monkeyno idea, erstazi16:42
kulveerstazi: you want the bars too, or only the screen shot thing?16:43
erstazikulve: both, I had it before but I forgot the bloody name16:44
erstazikulve: haha thank you, I just found it in my repos when I was looking through16:45
erstazikulve: my problem is I didn't make a backup before I flashed, I did some bad compiles one late night when drunk16:45
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erstazikulve: thank you again16:46
kulvenp :)16:46
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erstaziload applet?16:47
_Monkeyload applet is, like, an application that provides a status bar plugin that shows the CPU load and memory usage. It has a small menu that allows for easy screen-shot taking.
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tsoi would love to have seen a load applet with both "task manager" and run dialog. right now its either one or the other...17:01
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Blacksitoxbuenos dias17:19
erstaziBlacksitox: Guten Tag.17:20
Blacksitoxhello erstazi17:20
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timelessso, who's alive here?18:29
* MKB 18:29
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timelessi'm looking for ~5 people18:29
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timelesskonttori_: ping18:30
_Monkeyprivet, konttori_18:31
timelessare you familiar w/ bugzilla?18:31
timelessand do you have a small amount of time to help people here w/ it?18:31
timelessi've kinda limited what people can do to bugs they don't own, and am going to direct people here when bugzilla whines18:32
timelessbut i need some people here to empower the good people18:32
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timelessok, cna you /msg me your bugmail address18:32
timeless(typing is hard, i'm going to a movie... hp)18:32
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konttori_did you get the message?18:34
luisvhey, all- are there known problems with flasher + latest OS2007 + fedora 7?18:34
konttori_ah. damn. a sec18:34
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timelessgot it18:35
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luisvflasher is just crapping out for me instead of doing the upgrade, which is making it hard for me to play with microb :)18:35
timelesshold on,18:36
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timelessluisv: um, i presume you're root?18:36
timelessare you using a hub?18:36
luisvwell, sudo18:36
luisvnope, no hub18:36
luisvsame USB ports that have worked for past upgrades18:36
luisvbut obviously newer kernel, etc., since last upgrade18:36
timelesssorry, i'm a software guy :)18:37
timelesskonttori_: ok, log into bugzilla18:37
timelessat the bottom, you should see a new item18:37
luisvwell, it is probably a software problem, just not yours ;)18:37
timelesskonttori_: my blog will go up in a few minutes18:37
konttori_ahh... cool18:38
timelessbasically if you think a person has written good bugs, or has written helpful comments and indicates a reaosnable understand18:38
timelessfeel free to give out those two bits18:38
bherrmannhi.  Anybody had any luck getting a USB Mouse working with the 770 ?18:38
timelesseditbugs is slightly more useflu18:38
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timelessatm everyone has canconfirm, but they're going to lose it shortly18:38
konttori_I just added one guy canconfirm. (tim samoff)18:40
timelessfwiw, it's possible to see a log of who did what to each person18:42
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timelessbugzilla is fairly good about that :)18:42
timelessanyway, i'm off to my movie18:42
timelessthe blog post should be up now18:43
timelessnot sure how long it'll take before it hits planet18:43
timelessi'll probably drop the canconfirm default bit from everyone when i get back from the movie :=18:43
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timelE61ianyway, at this point, for people you can think of, just give out editbugs18:50
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timelE61ifor people you don't know as well, but who file a couple of good bugs, grant canconfirm18:50
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timelE61iand you can give them editbugs later18:51
timelE61ithe problem i have is that i need people to use guided form18:52
timelE61iand to do that, they can't have either bit18:52
timelE61ibut w/o editbugs, people can't reassign bugs...18:52
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timelE61iheh, i'm already buried on planet.mozilla.org19:01
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timelE61ikonttori: see channel log :(19:08
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konttori_what do you mean?19:11
konttori_ahh... you mean the change log for the edit bugs access19:11
timelE61iI wrote a bunch of lines assuming you were here19:19
timelE61iinstead of repeating, which is hard over this phone, you should pull today's log from the webserver19:19
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timelE61imovie starts in 4 if you have q's, ask now ;)19:27
timelE61imelmoth: what's your bugmail address'19:28
_Monkeyque tal, sbz19:30
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sbz_Monkey: voy bien, pero no puedo seguir hablando a un bot irc;)19:37
_Monkeysbz: what?19:37
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bluehashload -applet19:47
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lardmanevening all20:28
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lardmanI'm suffering from brain-fade trying to copy various bits of memory, anyone willing to look at some code and see what's wrong?20:33
lardmanthe memset alters the memory, but I can't write to it as an array, i.e. shmem[i]20:35
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lardmanhmm, staring right at me, what a muppet I am20:38
tkonice 'for' :)20:40
lardmanbeen a long day of shopping with the gf, adds to the brain-fade :)20:42
lardmanOn the positive side I've now grasped how to share memory between the DSP and ARM20:44
tkoshopping while you could be coding? pfft... :)20:44
lardmanIt was to be a fifo, but the pipeline stalled20:46
lardmanand my dinner is being cooked for me, so I can't complain20:46
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lardmangood good, all working, email to follow20:56
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pskranybody there?21:14
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pskrwas anybody able to build microb-engine on scratchbox?21:15
`0660i'm here21:18
`0660and i'm pretty sure someone has been able to build it as i have it working on my n800 :)21:19
pskr:-) I am trying to build microb-engine (mozilla based browser) on debain/scratchbox after checking out the source from SVN (as mentioned in the website)21:20
pskranyway.. do you know how big is it?21:21
`0660not really21:21
`0660why? :)21:21
`0660do you know?21:21
pskrnope. just to see if I need to upgrade my memory21:22
`0660what do you mean by the size?21:23
`0660size of the sources?21:23
`0660runtime memory usage?21:23
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pskrI mean.. how much disk space i takes.21:23
pskrruntime also would be useful21:24
`0660try du -h <microb>21:24
pskrthanx, but I do not have my n800 handy. do u?21:29
kulvelardman|supper: wb. I tried to take some timings. It seems to take 0.70ms to write 16bits to dsp and read it back using global buffers. Sending hundreds of bytes takes about 0.03ms more, so it doesn't really matter how much you are sending. With private buffers the latency seemed to be 0.1ms higher. But these are very unscientific..21:30
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lardmankulve: Good, I was wondering about timings21:59
lardmankulve: Take a look at my latest email, re. shared memory22:00
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timelE61ipskr: slightly larger than mozilla...22:00
kulvelardman: are you able to do arithmetic with pointers? I got very weird results if I try..22:00
lardmankulve: your findings would be worth an email to the list to save them for posterity22:01
timelE61ii can check later, but practically speaking you want a 2gb playpen22:01
lardmankulve: Not sure I've tried, what kind of things were you seeing?22:01
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kulvelike: (unsigned long)end_ptr - (unsigned long)start_ptr == 10, even though I know it's 7500..22:02
jaharkesshouldn't that cast be to "intptr_t"22:03
kulvejaharkes: on dsp?22:03
jaharkessorry I just walked in, missed the actual conversation but saw the (unsigned long) casts of pointers22:04
kulveTalked about code running on the n800's dsp side and weird stuff happening there (like a pointer being 23bits and byte 16bits)..22:05
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qgiltoday I've meet.... the creator of IRC!22:06
jaharkeskulve: ah, yeah that can be messy22:06
qgil(in fact it was the second time I met him)22:06
zeenixqgil: where?22:06
zeenixqgil: who?22:06
kulvelardman: anyway, I rewrote the memory allocation functions and they seem to print more logical values now22:06
qgilin my little office, sitting in my desk22:07
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kulvelardman: and the best part: I've run the speec encoder now four times in a row successfully without jams :)22:08
lardmankulve: No, I've not done anything like that, but thanks for the heads up22:08
kulvezeenix: Don't give wikipedia pointers when you give point to rfcs ;)22:08
lardmankulve: I wanted to sort out the shared memory stuff before I attack the tremor allocation code, etc.22:09
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kulvelardman: and yes, I ofc did read your mail ;)22:09
kulvelardman: the allocation part is very simple..22:09
lardmankulve: Congrats on running Speex, how did you relsove your jam?22:09
zeenixkulve: i know what IRC is :)22:09
qgilkulve: in fact the first result was
kulvezeenix: why did you ask then ;)22:10
zeenixkulve: i asked who did that :)22:10
kulvelardman: poll_disable(task);22:10
qgilwell, it just happens this guy that created the first IRC server and client back in 1988 knows very well the tablets, since he is working in this project as well22:10
kulvelardman: I'm a bit surprised if it's because of that, but currently it seems to be..22:10
zeenixkulve: not how IRC works :)22:11
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qgilI feel like honored22:11
lardmankulve: I'm going to need to use that, the way I'm planing to run Tremor is horrid22:11
kulvelardman: I tried the poll_exclude before and that didn't help..22:11
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lardmanis exclude the temporary one and disable the permanent one?22:11
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kulvelardman: I shouldn't be needing that.. I don't know why it get's stucked without that. It seems that my task asks for a new data and get POLL request and then everything is messed up22:12
kulvelardman: disable is the 10sec temporary. I call it always in my encode which takes about 22ms currently22:12
kulvelardman: it takes >40ms without any -oX options to gcc and 22ms with -o3 ..22:12
kulvelardman: and it the same thing on arm side too with speex22:13
* timelE61i really doesn't understand planet...22:13
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kulvelardman: in other words, currently the speex doesn't do encoding in relatime22:15
lardmannext step is profiling then I suppose22:15
lardmanthe Ti tools have ways of doing that, no idea what one would use with dspgateway22:15
lardmanspeaking of which, how were you doing debugging of the dsp tasks?22:16
Robot101anyone got experience with upgrades between 3.1 and 3.2 going horribly wrong because the sbox devkit doesn't seem to provide pkg-config even though it's meant to?22:16
lardmanDid I see you mention a recompiled kernel?22:16
Robot101(ps: gahrgahrgarahrhagr)22:16
gw280Robot101: erm22:16
gw280Robot101: you need to install it with the installation script instead of the tarball22:16
gw280Robot101: then run apt-get upgrade22:16
Robot101oh i didn't actually finish folowing the instructions22:17
Robot101my bad22:17
kulvelardman: I think I don't need to do any profiling, since those are very nicely handled in speex already. All operations (mult, mac, etc) are already in their own functions which can be written in inline asm for the cpu in their own header22:17
lardmankulve: On the DSP-side?22:17
kulvelardman: I mean they are written in asm for e.g. armv4, armv5, blackfin, etc. Now somebody just need to write them for tms320c55 :)22:18
qgiltimelE6: what planet? Earth?22:19
qgil[semi-off-topic] any happy Exaile user around?22:19
qgiltimelyx: share, please22:20
kulvelardman: and yes. I compiled the kernel with mbox debugs (and with included ext2&3). I can provide it to you, if you like. It's easily replaceable with flasher22:20
lardmankulve: Take a look at the dsplib22:20
lardmankulve: yes, that would be useful22:20
timelyxqgil: i looked earlier and didn't  see my news article22:20
timelyxbut i saw leonid's22:20
timelyxi looked just now, and saw mine listed as older than leonid's22:20
Robot101no, wait. eh.22:21
timelyx[sanjay]$ du -s -h */trunk22:21
timelyx3.0M    browser-ui/trunk22:21
timelyx143M    mozilla/trunk22:21
kulvelardman: what about dsplib?22:21
gw280Robot101: if you try to run dist-upgrade inside a maemo 3.1 sdk set up by installing the rootstrap, it fails22:21
timelyx[sanjay]$ ls -lh mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine_1.0.3.orig.tar.gz22:21
timelyx-rw-r--r--  1 timeless pg922508 48M 2007-07-12 07:34 mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine_1.0.3.orig.tar.gz22:21
gw280Robot101: if you do it on a maemo 3.1 installed using the installation script, it works22:21
Robot101gw280: there seems to be some extra step where you make packages using equivs22:22
timelyxthat little archive expands to be the biggest part of things22:22
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lardmankulve: Rather than jumping straight to ASM22:22
qgiltimelyx: I think the garage cron (or whatever) was a bit weak today, last night and this morning wouldn't generate new feeds although the garage news were in the frontpage22:22
Robot101gw280: but I can't see what the script does that's so magic22:22
gw280Robot101: heh22:22
gw280Robot101: :(22:22
kulvelardman: ah, yes. I think those asm parts can be taken from somewhere (cut'n'paste from ti's site or from dsplib..)22:22
kulvelardman: I hope that's the one ;)22:22
kulvelardman: any way, you can easily restore the old original kernel with flasher if you have any problems with that one22:23
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pskrtimelyx: Have you built microb-engine?22:24
pskron debian?22:24
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timelyxpskr: um, i'm only the architect for the monstrocity22:24
timelyxshall we pretend i havne't?22:24
pskrI followed the instructions on the
Robot101gw280: oh, ugh.22:25
pskrI got it from SVN and apt-get build-dep failed. Then I tried ./, but it fails for libIDL, even though I installed libidl-dev, quilt, bc22:27
timelyxpskr: garage seems dead22:27
timelyxis what i'm reading22:27
timelyxif you have an error, paste it22:27
pupnik_I feel more patriotic about my operating system than my country.  Hmm...22:27
lardmankulve: Thanks, I've grabbed it, will try flashing later22:28
lardmanhi pupnik_22:29
pupnik_hi trying to catch up on your recent typing22:29
lardmanhad some interesting conversations with Nokia re the direction of DSP developement22:30
pskr[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/microb-engine/microb-engine] > fakeroot apt-get build-dep microb-engine22:30
pskrReading Package Lists... Done22:30
pskrBuilding Dependency Tree... Done22:30
pskrE: Unable to find a source package for microb-engine22:30
lardman and
timelyxpskr: a pastebin is a web server into which you paste things22:30
timelyxit returns with a url which you share22:30
timelyxthe goal is to avoid flooding irc22:30
lardmanAnyway, time to go, will be back on tomorrow22:31
lardmannight all22:31
pskrsorry. I am new to this chat room.22:31
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pupnik_pskr: i don't know - i usually use apt-get source <packagename> to grab it22:32
timelyxpupnik_: he has the sources22:33
timelyxfrom svn22:33
timelyxthe trick is he's trying to use build-dep22:33
pupnik_well build-deb22:33
timelyxand needs to tell it "for the current directory"22:33
timelyxi think i might do something like apt-get build-dep .22:33
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timelyxpskr: generally, i wouldn't mix using apt-get w/ an svn creature22:34
timelyxpersonally, i'd simply apt-get install the things listed in debian/control as depends22:35
timelyxbecause i'm not a debian hacker by nature22:35
pskrpupnik_: apt-get source does not work and fails with same error. May be microb-engine is not available as pkg?22:36
timelyxif you wanted to try to make apt-get build-dep happy, you could ask dpkg-buildpackage or whatever to build the source package from the directory you're in22:37
gw280Robot101: ugh?22:37
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pskrtimelyx: I have no specific preference. I am just following instructions in that web page. May be the info on that page is not accurate.22:37
timelyxbut you could also just add the repository that has the debs into your /etc/apt/sources.list ...22:37
pupnik_i didn't know you were using svn.  when compiling from svn/cvs i use dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot22:37
pupnik_in the root directory of the app (the one containing debian directory)22:38
timelyxpupnik_: he needs the build-deps first22:38
pupnik_i install those by hand22:38
timelyxthat's what i do :)22:38
* timelyx frowns22:39
timelyxi think the instructions are wrong22:39
timelyxi'll kick romaxa tomorrow morning22:39
pskrtimelyx: svn co -- for this what would you guess I should add to /etc/apt/sources.list22:40
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pskrwill it be some thing like deb-src microb-engine22:41
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timelyxdeb bora free non-free22:42
timelyxyou don't need sources22:42
timelyxit should be sufficient for apt to have access to the control file in the package22:42
timelyxmaybe add the equivalent deb-src line22:42
pskrI already have it in my sources.list.  I am trying to get the sources and build it myself.22:43
timelyxso add deb-src w/ that22:43
timelyxit should work22:43
pskrI have deb-src bora free already.22:43
timelyxthat's not the same22:43
timelyx / != /extras22:44
pskrOh.. I will try that.22:44
timelyxtrick: just clone deb binary lines and ad -src22:44
timelyxdon't try to figure out if you already have something22:44
Robot101gw280: the installer script makes a load of pretend packages with cat, tar and ar, and installs them :P22:47
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pskrtimelyx: thank you. that worked and I got the sources. but fakeroot apt-get build-dep fails saying it could not find libidl-dev, which I installed already (not thru scratchbox though)22:57
timelyxyou "can't do that"22:57
timelyxeither don't use apt for build-dep22:57
timelyxor don't go around it22:57
timelyxpersonally, as a mozilla developer, i don't  use apt if i can avoid it22:57
* timelyx tries to remember where libidl-dev would be for maemo22:58
timelyxif you did a svn co of everything22:59
timelyxyou should have that too22:59
timelyxjust build the package from there22:59
* timelyx presumes there's a script somewhere responsible for building it22:59
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timelyxanyway, that definitely includes libidl-dev23:00
erstazitimelyx: you like aptitude?23:01
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timelyxerstazi: it works better than apt23:01
timelyxbut other than that, no23:01
erstazitimelyx: of course23:01
erstaziI use it sometimes23:01
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timelyxwhen i try bootstrapping w/ apt it tends to fail23:01
timelyxaptitude worked better the last time i triedi t23:02
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pskrtimelyx: what did you say "I can;t do"? OK. I will remove libidl-dev thru aptitude and do apt-get install libidl-dev, but It is failing again.23:14
pskrI do not want to use svn one, as I got the sources thru apt-get source.23:15
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DrDabblesI have a few questions about my new 770. First off, I bricked it. When it boots, just as it's about to draw the home screen, it reboots. Anybody have links to recovery processes?23:16
pupnik_i've seen that happen, then it works on reboot23:17
DrDabblesAlso, is it worth running the 2007 hacker edition, or should I just stick with the stock firmware?23:17
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DrDabblespupnik_: This has rebooted several times. I've even removed the battery and tried again, to no avail.23:18
pupnik_2007he felt slicker to me23:19
pupnik_but more problems23:19
jaharkesDrDabbles: any idea what change you made that caused it to brick. In any case, I would try to leave it on the charger for a couple of minutes and retry the boot while it is on the charger, just in case you battery is close to empty23:19
DrDabblesSlicker = faster, or slicker = cooler?23:19
pupnik_slightly cooler and faster/slower in different things23:19
pupnik_but more of a fun thing to try than a stable platform23:20
erstazipupnik_: what problems did you mainly have?23:20
DrDabblesjaharkes: my battery indicator was completely full. I'd installed a few packages like mweather, then rebooted because I hadn't done so since installing Canola23:20
pupnik_package headaches and some apps not working stably23:21
jaharkesDrDabbles: possibly a bad application (or bad install). reflashing is your best option.23:24
DrDabblesDamn. *lol*23:24
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DrDabblesWell, if I have to reflash anyway, does anybody have any firmwares they suggest?23:25
pupnik_for 770?23:25
DrDabblesYeah, 77023:25
pupnik_latest 200623:26
jaharkesDrDabbles: reflashing is reasonably painless, the howtos are on the maemo wiki. the advantage is that you get a fresh start, the disadvantage is that it is a fresh start and you have to go through the whole setup/customization again23:26
DrDabblesAre there any popular custom rolled images?23:27
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jaharkesDrDabbles: my 770 is running os 2006 version 3.2006.49-2 and hasn't had any serious issues (besides avahi daemon going into 100% cpu mode on our campus wireless).23:28
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timelyxpskr: oh, you used aptitude to install libidl-dev?23:28
timelyxsorry, i missed that part23:28
* timelyx doesn't see any reference to aptitude in the scrollback23:29
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pupnik_i don't know of any custom rolled images for the flasher available for download DrDabbles23:31
DrDabblespupnik_: Cool. Thanks!23:31
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timelyxpskr: i'm really confused23:32
timelyxwhat sources did you get w/ apt-get source23:32
timelyxand what did you do with them?23:32
timelyxqgil: ping23:33
timelyxqgil: can i declassify the mistral bugs? :)23:33
timelyxit seems a bit silly to keep them23:33
pskrtimelyx: sorry. I got microb-engine sources with apt-get source within scratchbox23:34
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pskrtimelyx: I installed libidl-dev, quilt, bc etc. using aptitude (thats what I meant by - not thru scratchbox)23:35
timelyxok, that's confusing, but ok23:36
pskrbut while doing fakeroot apt-get build-dep microb-engine, it says libidl-dev package not found.23:36
timelyxi'm confused23:37
timelyxwhy would you try doing build-dep23:37
timelyxif you've already installed all the build deps23:37
pskrI was not sure if I installed all of them.23:38
timelyxdpkg -L libidl-dev ?23:38
* timelyx doesn't memorize dpkg syntax23:38
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NeoStridercan you guys tell me whats the bogomips for your units?23:52
_Monkeyi think 770 is far superior for non-gaming...  but the gp2x is hands down the best gaming handheld i ever owned23:54
timelyx_Monkey forget 77023:55
_Monkeytimelyx: I forgot 77023:55
timelyx_Monkey 770 is <reply>23:55
_MonkeyOK, timelyx.23:55
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NeoStrider_Monkey: 770?23:57
_Monkeyneostrider: i haven't a clue23:57
NeoStridergood =-P23:57
NeoStriderpupnik_:  125 bogos on a 770?23:57
pupnik_cat /proc/cpuinfo23:58
pupnik_Processor       : ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 3 (v5l)23:58
pupnik_BogoMIPS        : 125.7623:58
NeoStridergood =-)23:59
NeoStrideranyone with a N800?23:59
pupnik_n800 has about 240 or so iirc23:59
NeoStrider(is there any api function to query this information?)23:59

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