IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2007-08-25

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pupnikhi sbz00:06
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r2d2rogersgood afternoon00:07
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balo1long shot but is anyone here from India? Off on a business trip Tuesday and wondered what I MUST see in New Delhi00:07
r2d2rogersI have a 770 that I setup to boot from the MMC, and I managed to get that install into a reboot loop with packages from the herring repository00:08
sbznobody about my problem ?00:08
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pupniksbz, don't install osso-xterm onto ubuntu00:08
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r2d2rogersI was wondering what chance I have of fixing that from a chroot into the root of the mmc isntall00:08
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pupnikr2d2rogers: can you boot to internal flash?00:09
r2d2rogersyes i can00:09
r2d2rogersI know I can blow away the flash install, but I was wondering if i could recover it00:09
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pupnikmight be possible, but without a boot log might not be easy to diagnose00:10
r2d2rogerswhat's the best way to get a boot log?00:10
r2d2rogersI can install packages into the mmc install via chroot from the flash install00:11
pupnikyeah... you could also do a search for different files between flash and mmc00:11
pupniklike diff -r a tree00:11
r2d2rogersI guess it comes down to is the time worth it?00:12
unique311pupnik, you own final fantasy XI for the PC?00:12
pupnikno unique31100:12
pupnikjust 7 and 9 for psx00:12
pupnikhows xi?  isn't that online00:12
sbz6 on snes is fantastic00:13
unique311but i have a couple of links for free servers.00:13
unique311going to try those out.00:13
unique311i actually have XI and XII(X-2)00:14
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sbzi have finished ff5,6,7,8,9 & X :)00:14
sbzi'd rather the 6th and the 9th00:15
unique3117 and 9 for me00:15
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sbzi'm fond of snes rpg unique31100:16
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r2d2rogersso there is a boot.log file on the N800 huh?00:20
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r2d2rogerspupnik: thanks00:27
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pupniksbz i'm sorry there is no progress on a good snes emulator00:32
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ekim|ircI just got my 770 (literally minutes ago)00:46
ekim|ircHow can I install apps to the mmc card ?00:46
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c0ffeeekim|irc, you have to use dpkg for that00:54
c0ffeeekim|irc, the app installer doesn't support that00:54
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ekim|ircHow do I flash my 770 with the latest image01:08
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soolek_under linux or windows?01:11
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soolekdownload flasher and after that is generaly just clicking next next next finish :)01:12
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ekim|ircis that the latest one ?01:12
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ekim|irc2007 edition doesn't run on the 77001:13
sooleklatest official01:13
ekim|ircOnly th 80001:13
soolekit does run01:13
soolek2007 HE runs but it's beta version01:13
ekim|ircIs it better then the latest stable one ?01:13
ekim|ircHow do I connect the 770 to my computer01:13
soolekit depend01:13
ekim|ircI have a miniusb cable01:14
soolekuse the cable luke01:14
ekim|ircis ther a "USB mode" ?01:14
ekim|ircits automatic01:14
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ekim|ircthe update takes 20 minutes01:20
ekim|ircWell...I literally just opened the box from the ups I guess I better wait for it to charge01:20
pupnikcongratulations :)01:21
ekim|ircI know :)01:21
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ekim|ircI couldn't afford the n800 :(01:21
ekim|ircis it a lot better ?01:22
pupniki couldn't afford the 770 :)01:22
ekim|ircor is it just numbers...01:22
pupniki wouldn't feel bad, the 770 does some things better than the n80001:22
ekim|ircLike ?01:23
pupnikthe 770 was worth $400 to me 9 months ago :)01:23
ekim|ircI know the n800 has a camera01:23
bmidgleythe main problem is the 770 is being left behind in s/w01:23
pupnikit's slimmer and has a case01:23
ekim|ircand that would be cool for like the first 5 minutes...01:23
ekim|ircthen I would never use it again01:23
bmidgleythe 770 stylus and ext buttons are nicer01:23
ekim|ircBut ... one nice thing about the n800 is that it takes sd cards01:24
ekim|ircright ?01:24
bmidgleyyes that's nice01:25
pupnikyes, and faster, more ram, slightly better screen, fm radio, camera, newer browser and kernel01:25
ekim|ircBut rs-mmc cards are as cheap as dirt as sd cards01:25
ekim|ircI bought a gig on amazon for 20 bucks01:25
ekim|ircand thats just to "Hold me over" until I can afford a bigger one01:25
pupniki think the 770 closeout sales were too cheap :)01:25
ekim|ircI dont :)01:26
ekim|ircI bought mine for 120 bucks01:26
bmidgleyyeah my 770 is barely worth the price of an extra battery and ac adapter01:26
bmidgleyI kept it01:26
ekim|ircWhy ?01:26
bmidgleyI keep one ac adapter at work and use the extra battery when traveling01:26
ekim|ircWhat are you saying ?01:27
bmidgleyI also let the kids draw pictures on the 77001:27
ekim|ircAre you saying the 770 is lame ?01:27
bmidgleyI didn't sell my 770 even after I got the n80001:27
pupnikbmidgley: we could use better sketching software01:27
bmidgleyjust that it became too cheap too fast to get a decent resale01:27
pupniktried tuxpaint on it?01:28
ekim|ircOhh lol01:28
ekim|ircBad for you and good for me :)01:28
pupnikyounger kids love tuxpaint01:28
ekim|ircis there any way  I can tell how much basttery power my 770 has ?01:29
* bmidgley digs out 770...01:29
bmidgleystill charged01:29
bmidgleymy n800 sometimes won't autoconnect and spits out a network error01:29
bmidgleytuxpaint won't install... needs libsdl-ttf01:31
ekim|ircyeah...but how do I tell how much battery power my 770 has01:31
ekim|ircI wanna run the update01:31
ekim|ircI just got it like an hour ago01:31
ekim|ircI dont wanna have a fancy brick01:31
bmidgleybattery meter works when ac is unplugged01:31
bmidgleybe patient and get it up to 4 bars :)01:32
pupnikif you just got it, there's no update01:32
ekim|ircI just got it from a reseller01:32
pupnikyou have the current, official OS01:32
ekim|ircI dont know how long it as in the warehouse01:32
ekim|ircHas anyone else hasd any problems installing canola01:32
sp3000oh, cool, half everything's down01:33
* sp3000 grumbles01:33
bmidgleywhich repository has libsdl-ttf for 770?01:34
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ekim|ircI installed canola and it says unable to unstall01:36
ekim|ircbut it stillaa ds the icon01:36
ekim|ircwhen I click it ... it launches the spash screen for about 45 seconds then dies01:36
pupnikFilename: pool/maemo2.2/free/s/sdl-ttf2.0/libsdl-ttf2.0-0_2.0.6-5osso1_armel.deb01:37
ekim|ircI removed it with the application manager but it still shows up01:37
pupnikgive the canola folks some feedback ekim|irc01:38
pupnikthey need feedback from new users01:38
pupnikalso check the log in the application manager to get details on what failed in the installation01:39
k-s[WORK]ekim|irc: possible some dependency was not installed01:40
k-s[WORK]ekim|irc: application installer don't handle these cases that well01:40
k-s[WORK]cause of failure may be network problem, server problem, ...01:40
ekim|irca bunch of dependencies werent installed01:42
ekim|ircI looked at the log01:42
ekim|ircI just wanna get ssh on this thing so I can really get down to business01:42
pupnik  <<< CANOLA THREAD01:43
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_Monkeycanola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend01:43
ekim|ircReally01:43 is teh downzorz atm so that could be a bit of a speed bump01:44
ekim|ircThat would explain the erros01:44
ekim|ircmaybe thats why I couldnt install canola01:44
ekim|irca bunch of the stuff it needs was probably on that server01:44
k-s[WORK]maybe, dunno01:44
ekim|ircWhat is the easiest way to get ssh working on this thing01:45
k-s[WORK]I'll back to hacking01:45
k-s[WORK]lsobral can help you01:45
k-s[WORK]I hope01:45
sp3000ekim|irc: and search is generally a good start01:47
sp3000of course all the ssh hits point to things that aren't available at the moment :)01:47
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ekim|irccan I run pidgin on the 77001:47
sp3000the same spell will probably tell you01:49
sp3000esp once it stops taking a nap01:49
ekim|irchere is why I cant get canola working01:49
ekim|ircThis is what the repo says01:49
ekim|ircDepends mistral free non-free01:49
ekim|ircthere you go01:49
ekim|ircSince that repo is down...It couldn't get a bunch of stuff01:50
ekim|ircCan I install os 2007 on my new 770 ?01:50
sp3000see topic01:51
ekim|ircdoes it work ok ?01:51
ekim|ircand what are the benefits of upgrafing01:51
pupnikbeing able to contribute to a new OS in-development01:52
sp3000it's not so much an end-user release01:52
ekim|ircany end user benefits01:52
ekim|ircBasically what I am asking is...are ther eany apps that ONLY run on os 200701:52
pupnikthe clicky sound when tapping the screen is nicer01:52
ekim|ircOhh also...01:52
_Monkeysomebody said also was there a nice tutorial for setting up a python dev environment for the n800?01:52
ekim|ircI dont understand why you can do something on the 800 and not the 77001:53
ekim|ircits not THAT much better01:53
Fatalmanagement decisions01:53
ekim|ircthe only n800 specific app I can think of is a camera related app01:53
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Fatalyou'll find this happens (sadly) to most products, and nokia is not an exception01:54
ekim|ircI believe the 770 was EOL'd by nokia right ?01:54
sp3000_Monkey: no, also is <reply>01:54
_Monkey...but also is there a nice tutorial for setting up a python dev environment for the n800?...01:54
ekim|ircbut the hacker community will keap it alove01:54
sp3000hm, it doesn't understand no01:55
sp3000_Monkey: forget also01:55
_Monkeysp3000: I forgot also01:55
pupnikfirst tell monkey to forget .01:55
sp3000_Monkey: also is <reply>01:55
_MonkeyOK, sp3000.01:55
pupniki have never opened the n770 manual :|01:56
infobotFatal meant: you'll fid this happens (sadly) to most products, and nokia is not an exception01:56
Fataluh, no01:57
ekim|ircI opened the quickstart guide a minute ago to figure out how to get teh freaking mmc card in there :)01:57
ekim|ircI hope garage is not down long :)01:57
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sp3000I actually skimmed the N800 manual once01:58
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sp3000there's some useful things you might not discover right off otherwise, actually01:59
sp3000not that I recall what those would have been01:59
ekim|ircDoes the built-in rss reader support podcasts ?01:59
pupnikthose record mahjong times are scary01:59
sp3000and not that that wouldn't be buried in all that ...manualness, but, skim ;)01:59
pupnikgood advice01:59
dimensionerrorI was wondering about the performance of the nes emulator for the tablet. has anyone here used it?02:00
ekim|ircbut I heard it sucked02:00
ekim|ircthats what I have a psps for02:00
sp3000like, say, how to make capital letters without tapping a shift button, it's not like clippy is going to pop up and tell you :P02:00
ekim|ircYou should try it02:00
ekim|ircI dont know02:01
ekim|ircin full screen kb mode ?02:01
dimensionerrorwell, i'm trying to decide whether to buy a psp or an internet tablet02:01
ekim|ircDepends on what you want to do02:01
ekim|ircI happen to be lucky enough to own both02:01
ekim|ircThe 770 is better suited for some things02:02
ekim|ircpspssh ... ssh ... not so good on the psp ... great on the 77002:02
ekim|ircpspvnc ... not so great on the psp ... great on the 77002:02
ekim|ircpspirc ...02:02
ekim|ircsnes9x TLY (snes emulator) great on psp , not so great on the 77002:02
ekim|ircthere is an emator for every single video game system ever made for the psp02:03
ekim|ircexcept the most current omnes02:03
dimensionerrorthe one problem i have with the idea of getting a psp is all the business of downgrading02:03
ekim|ircIts no big deal02:04
ekim|ircDowngrading a psp is much easier then reflashing the 770 image02:04
ekim|ircit only takes about a minute or 202:04
Fataland got to love they finally figured out how to make a debricker <302:04
ekim|ircNow it doesnt matter02:05
ekim|ircI still don't understand what the batter has to do with unbrickign a psp02:05
sparrmy online banking says balance $300 (thats my credit card limit), then over limit fee for balance $305...  but my balance is never $305...  called the bank, they say the $5 is finance charges that havent posted yet.  but they are charging me over limit fees already anyways.  wtf?  time to stop doing business with that bank.02:05
dimensionerrorcan either the psp or the tablet support external keyboards?02:06
dimensionerrorso both?02:07
ekim|ircbut the 770 is a littler easier to get it working with02:07
ekim|ircthe psp one only works in a few select apps02:07
ekim|ircbut all the ones you would expect it to...02:07
ekim|ircthe email client/irc client/instant mesenger/ssh and telnet clients02:08
ekim|ircthe nokia one works in every app02:08
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ekim|ircthe problem is...that if you buy a keyboard to use with your psp ... it wont work on your 770(or 800)02:09
ekim|ircbecause the psp uses IR and the 770 uses bluetooth02:09
erstazipsp doesn'02:09
erstazipsp doesn't have bluetooth?02:09
ekim|ircWhy would it ?02:09
ekim|ircthe 770 has bluetooth for DUN02:09
ekim|ircthe psp doesnt need it02:09
erstaziekim|irc: its so common place these days02:09
ekim|ircI know :)02:09
dimensionerrorok then. if I decide on the tablet, is it worth the extra money to get the 800, or should i stick with the 770?02:09
erstaziekim|irc: I use to work in retail when it came out, it made me sick to see it in everything02:10
erstazidimensionerror: get the n800 if you want a camera and 2 sd cards02:10
erstazibut I am very satisfied with my 77002:10
ekim|ircthe 800 has 2 sd slots ?02:10
ekim|ircnow thats a good idea02:11
erstaziso a total of 8 gbs I believe02:11
dimensionerrorone thing i was wondering about the 770.. it says rs-mmc, some people have posted that you can use mmc. you can't use sd?02:11
erstazidimensionerror: correct02:11
erstazimmc is smaller than sd02:11
ekim|ircNo sd on the 77002:11
ekim|ircIts not really a big deal..02:11
infoboterstazi meant: rs-mmc is smaller than sd02:11
ekim|ircI dont beleive that rs-mmc has reached the sizes of sd though02:12
erstaziof course not02:12
ekim|ircI believe the biggest you can get is 4 gigs02:12
erstaziI think its being phased out02:12
ekim|ircme too02:12
ekim|ircI dont know of any other device that uses it02:12
erstazibut flash has went a very long distance02:12
dimensionerrorbut i can use regular mmc?02:12
erstazidimensionerror: I would be fishy on jumping on a different type02:12
erstaziI would make sure it is rs-mmc02:12
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ekim|ircno regular mmc02:12
erstaziand heck, its $20 for 2gb02:12
pupnikgotta go playtest my latest kode :P -- ttyl02:13
erstazibye pupnik02:13
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erstaziugh I hate when vm's hang02:13
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erstazisolved it02:16
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saaibmhh.. the site does not respond02:34
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amri entered my pw incorrectly too many times over ssh02:39
amrand i think ive completely blocked myself02:40
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amr:-( how do i fix it?02:40
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bmidgleyI haven't used my 770 in a while... some nokia repositories went away?02:43
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sparranyone got that working on 770?02:43 mistral/non-free is gone?02:44
sp3000bmidgley: things are down02:44
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amranyone know how to unban myself on ssh?02:45
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derfamr: OpenSSH won't ban you, unless you've installed some special PAM aut-blacklisting module.02:46
amruhoh, why cant i connect to my tablet then02:46
amri can vnc into myself, ssh into myself02:46
amryet i cant ping/ssh/vnc into it from this machine02:46
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ekim|ircDo I have to do anything special I have to do to get root access on the 770 ?02:52
sp3000it was quiet for too long and your ap decided to forget that it exists?02:52
sp3000mine does that after 5 mins02:52
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ekim|ircHow long do you think garage will be down ?02:53
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ekim|ircSo I guess right now ... All I got is the built-in apps02:54
amrsp3000, no02:54
ekim|ircuntil garage is back up02:54
amrim using it right now02:54
amrok i can now ping it02:55
amrnow i can ssh in02:55
amr:| peculiar02:55
sp3000touching the network with it does remind the ap of its existence02:55
sp3000I just usually have an sshfs mount to it with BatchMode=yes which implies ServerAliveInterval=300 which takes care of that ;)02:57
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amrwhen will things be back up03:15
ekim|ircI wish I knew03:19
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ekim|ircI really want to boot from the mmc03:28
ekim|ircBut Im lazy03:28
ekim|ircIm going to have to do it eventually03:28
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DaniloCesarGood  night/evening/morning for ever body...03:56
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herzigarage.m.o down?04:00
DaniloCesarherzi, No, it is not....04:03
* herzi reboots the router then04:03
kikkaI don't see it too.04:05
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herz1didn't help04:06
kikka<kikka> I don't see it too.04:06
kikkaherz1: It's not only your problem.04:07
herz1kikka: thanks, makes feel feel less dumb :-)04:07
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DaniloCesarherz1, Its not working for me too... Sorry...04:31
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pupnikerstazi: wb05:00
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saaibwebsite is back again05:00
herz1saaib: thanks05:01
herz1(for the info)05:01
erstazipupnik: thank you, received some brown outs from a powerful storm (:05:01
pupniki spent some time on a park bench tonight and a cute little porcupine walked up, looked at me and then thought maybe it would be safer to run away05:02
kikka__Does 2.0er Software works on 3.0?05:02
erstazipupnik: heh05:04
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erstazikikka__: not always05:04
erstazikikka__: its best to aim for OS2007/maemo 3.x bora05:04
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erstaziif you have an n800 or OS2007 or OS2007HE05:05
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Luria_i wonder who else is in there...05:05
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supdoodhey guys05:16
supdoodi'm looking for a bluetooth rceiver for my 77005:16
herz1supdood: it already has a bluetooth receiver builtin05:17
supdoodgps bluetooth05:18
supdoodright now im looking at the i-blue 73705:18
GeneralAntillesI have the 73705:19
GeneralAntillesIt's a wonderful receiver05:19
GeneralAntillesGreat battery life05:19
GeneralAntillesusb charging05:19
GeneralAntillesGREAT reception05:19
GeneralAntillesfast start-up05:19
GeneralAntillesMaybe look at the 757 if you want to drop a little more money05:19
supdoodim trying to find a coupon code for semsons05:33
supdoodi've got 59 bucks on this damn visa gift card and i got it rung up for 60.5205:33
kikka__good night05:36
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saaibargh! removed scratchbox without umount05:47
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supdoodok i've found 3 coupon codes for anyone who cares "seth005" "semsons" and "dealtaker" all which take off 5%05:53
supdoodtrying to find one that does just a bit more comeon gimme a break here05:53
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edtwhat do the ssh v4 deb give that v3 does not have?06:22
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supdoodi blue ordered06:24
supdoodwelcome to the world of pdagps06:25
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ekim|ircWow...administering the 770 over ssh is much better then using the virtual keyboard :06:51
Luria_water is wet too06:52
ekim|ircIndeed it is06:55
ekim|ircI still cant get canola installed :06:55
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k-sekim|irc: any clues?06:55
ekim|ircWhat does this mean06:55
ekim|ircldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ No such file or directory06:55
k-sekim|irc: what have you tried?06:55
ekim|ircI did apt-get install canola right now over ssh06:56
k-sekim|irc: and what's the result?06:56
ekim|ircit installs a bunch of stuff and when it gets to canola-app ... it takses forever06:56
ekim|ircI always stop it aftr a few minutes06:56
ekim|ircI mean ... how long should it take ?06:56
k-sekim|irc: it should ask you where to install06:57
k-sekim|irc: it's a graphical dialog06:57
k-sand other with the license06:57
k-salso graphical06:57
ekim|ircso your telling me by doing this over ssh06:57
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ekim|ircthat on my device a dialog popped up06:58
ekim|ircI knew that06:58
ekim|ircit works06:59
ekim|ircand ssh ... it works07:00
k-sekim|irc: what were the problem?07:00
ekim|ircI dont know07:00
ekim|ircthe problem was that the maemo repo was down07:00
ekim|ircrepository.maemo.org07:00 is, like, ok07:00
ekim|ircbut now its up07:00
ekim|ircso WOOT07:00
ekim|ircis mediastreamre an official nokia app ?07:00
ekim|ircNow all I gotta do is boot from the mmc07:01
k-sekim|irc: yep, official07:02
ekim|ircdo all of you guys boot from the card ?07:02
ekim|ircWhat are some of the apps you guys like ?07:05
ekim|ircAnyone ?07:06
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ekim|ircWhats up with this07:22
ekim|ircGPG error: bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D07:22
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ekim|ircI got pidgin working now too07:27
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pupniki begin to understand why 99% of #maemo is silent07:52
`0660they have nothing to contribute to the discussion? :)07:53
whaqHaving too much fun with thi ablets?07:55
whaquh, their tablets.07:56
pupnikthe discussion is ... not about moving #maemo forward07:56
pupnikit's everything but07:56
whaqdamn onscreen keyboard.07:56
whaqjust lik on itt. some ppl are just so full of negativity.07:57
pupnikperhaps you don't understand why the nokia tablets are so important08:00
pupnikyou see when you buy a microsoft operating system product as a consumer08:00
pupnikyou are happy at first08:00
pupnikbecause microsoft seems to be sucking your cock08:00
pupnikbut while you are distracted by the nice cock sucking that is going on08:01
pupnikmicrosoft is sticking a trojan up your ass08:01
pupnikwhich you don't notice at first08:01
pupnikbtu then you are remote controlled - through your ass - by microsoft08:01
pupnikand then you have to pretend you like it08:01
pupnikto keep your pride08:01
pupnikthis is the state of the world08:01
pupnikso thanks to nokia08:01
pupnikfor freeing us from the ass-trojan08:02
pupniki'm trying to imagine an avertising campaign based on "thanks nokia - for freeing us from the ass-trojan"08:03
whaqi'm going to my countryide villa for the eekend taa.08:04
pupnikdon't forget the microsoft ass trojan08:04
whaqthats good campaign08:05
whaqyes, tht's ard 2 4get08:05
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AD-N770good morning11:27
unique311feck u monkey11:35
amrguten morgen11:37
amrhow normal is11:39
amr/bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found11:39
amrwhen calling apt-get install11:39
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inzamr, perfectly normal11:46
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pellohi, do you know a ftp client for n800 ?11:48
amrjolly good11:49
AD-N770kulve: ping11:50
unique311pello, you check the garage?11:50
pellomaemoftp is not for n80011:52
unique311usually 770 software works on the 80011:54
pellook unique311 i'll try to it11:55
amr:-/ this is odd11:56
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pelloit works :)11:57
unique311i was going to say he has the source also.11:57
amri cant seem to connect to my tablet11:58
amrover ssh or vnc11:58
unique311compiling it for the n800 would've been easy11:58
amroh wait, now it works - this is odd11:58
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amrdistribution names confuse me12:19
amrwhen i go to about this product in control panel it says version 3.012:20
amrthats bora isnt it?12:20
amrcool thanks12:20
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amris there anyway to get maemo mapper to follow a route and download all the maps on there12:26
amror is there anyway i can just say, ok download all of this area12:27
melmothi think so for the 1st12:28
melmothi m sure it can do for the second12:28
melmothjust go in the map menu and choose download area or something12:28
amrhow do i do it?12:28
melmothand be sure ot have selected the zooms level you are interested in12:28
melmothyou will have to play a bit with the poi and location contextual menu to reach point 1 then.12:29
amrah ok12:29
amrcheers, ill give it another go12:29
amroh duh theres an option12:32
amr'download along route'12:32
amrwith a radius of 4 tiles12:32
melmothi havent tested this one.12:34
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ZenGeisthi all16:23
ZenGeistWhere I can find perl-base, which needed for OPenSSH cliebt16:23
sp3000ZenGeist: what are you doing and how is it failing?16:35
ZenGeistsp3000, I am trying to install OpenSSH Client from Application Manager on my N80016:37
ZenGeistbut I can not16:37
ZenGeistbecause perl-base needed16:37
sp3000oh, it depends on it via adduser16:41
sp3000apt-cache policy perl-base tells me it's available in bora/free16:41
ekim|ircWhere are the applications stored by default ?16:41
sp3000which is the seame repo as openssh-client16:42
sp3000so that should work16:42
ekim|ircJust do apt-get install ssh16:42
sp3000ZenGeist: maybe update the appmanager  catalog foo and try again16:43
sp3000ekim|irc: that's an alternative, sure, but afaiui openssh-client isn't upposed to need redpill mode so it should be preferrable16:44
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sp3000well, red pill or root16:44
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ekim|ircwhats redpill mode ?16:47
_Monkeyredpill mode is, like, at
ekim|irchypervisor ?16:47
ekim|ircor is that blue pill16:47
sp3000omg, it's the bot being /useful/16:47
ekim|ircor does the blue pill cure the red pill16:48
sp3000that's uncharacteristic :P16:48
ekim|ircSounds like the matrix16:48
sp3000yes, blue is the other choice in the dialog ;)16:48
ekim|ircBut why would I wanna do that16:48
sp3000it lets you break things directly from the app manager16:49
ekim|ircbreak things ?16:49
sp3000like, use apt dangerously ;)16:49
sp3000ZenGeist: did a refresh and retry help?16:50
ZenGeistI am in redpill16:51
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sp3000ZenGeist: and, do you have repository.m.o bora free in your catalogs16:51
sp3000presumably the mistral one could be different somehow16:52
ZenGeistsp3000, no I have not16:52
sp3000using the install arrow from should work out then I expect16:53
sp3000(it's slightly less typing than manual catalogue config)16:54
ZenGeistsp3000, I ve trying that16:54
* sp3000 tests16:54
sp3000do you have some other bora entry in the catalogs, that doesn't include free?16:57
sp3000istr vaguely some issue with repository configs ending up with the same repo being listed more than once, with different components, and it not quite panning out, or something16:59
ZenGeisti ve no free I ve Maemo Extras and Maemo Hackers16:59
sp3000what the17:01
sp3000oh, extras is one that the openssh-client.install sets up17:01
* sp3000 wonders if apt-cache policy is just being annoying and omitting that17:03
ZenGeistWhat repo should  I add?17:03
ZenGeistdeb bora free non-free17:04
sp3000oh, yeah, apt-cache policy is being annoying17:05
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sp3000ZenGeist: yeah, that's where perl-base is17:06
sp3000and apt-cache policy output doesn't make any difference between and
* sp3000 grumples17:07
ZenGeistsp3000, add it by vi or add it by Application Man. ?17:07
* sp3000 grumbles, even17:07
sp3000app man would work17:07
sp3000or finding an .install file for something that lives in that repo ;)17:08
ZenGeistit works :)17:10
sp3000should complain about openssh-client.install not specifying the other repository it depends on17:11
* sp3000 isn't sure if the current .install spec handles that17:11
sp3000 seems to deal with it at least17:11
ZenGeistyeah! :) I am in my notebook over SSH :)17:11
ZenGeistis where pptp for maemo>17:12
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ZenGeistcan I install some apps on memory card?17:31
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sullyOnly if you boot from the card itself, I think17:38
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zwnjhi there18:15
_Monkeyhola, zwnj18:15
zwnjis Juha Kallioinen here?18:15
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zwnjping kaltsi18:18
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ekim|ircis there any way to access the mqain system memory (where the programs go) without modification ?18:23
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melmothekim|irc, what ?18:28
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pupnik_yeah it's a read18:32
pupnik_like you read memory but don't write it18:32
pupnik_or re-membering18:33
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amrdoes mail get stored on the flash18:36
amror mmc18:36
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sparrif i wanted to implement a better pointer calibration system than pointercal, how deep would i have to go?  where would i start?18:50
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ekim|irchow can I access where the programs are installed by default without modification18:57
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melmothekim|irc, i do not understand your question, you may see where a package file are installed with 'dpkg -L nameofthepackage'18:59
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ekim|ircHow can I get a list of installed packages19:06
sbzdpkg -l19:07
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Jaffaekim|irc: If you only care about "end-user" packages, you can use the Application Manager19:10
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ekim|ircI dont...19:12
ekim|ircbecause im 1337 like that19:12
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trevarth1nmorning folks19:14
trevarth1narg. wrong name.19:15
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trevarthanthere we go19:15
trevarthansparr: how's it goin? you do any more work on the volume control?19:16
* trevarthan walks off to make some coffee19:17
sparrgot sidetracked by another tablet19:17
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trevarthanah. got any code for others to play with yet?19:19
trevarthanI've been working on getting the scrollwidget to work with lots and lots of items in it. It's going pretty well so far.19:22
sparrno, just a pygame interface to draw a rotate wheel, mostly borrowed from elsewhere, nothing original19:22
trevarthanAh. going the wheel approach, eh? very cool.19:22
sparrthe best way for volume, imho19:22
sparrhigher resolution than a slider19:22
Jaffaand seeking, too, probably.19:22
sparrJaffa: blasphemy!19:23
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JaffaJust use intertial scrolling for navigating lists  of items19:23
Jaffasparr: intra-song seeking, rather than inter-song seeking obviously ;-)19:23
sparrseriously though, id prefer a slider or wheel for seeking.  but SOME peopel think inertial scrolling is gods gift to users  :)19:23
trevarthanPersonally, I would implement the wheel widget alongside the scroll widget.19:23
trevarthansparr: No man, I don't. I just have limited time and the widget was there19:24
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sparroff topic:
trevarthananyway, we'll have a menu in Kagu soon. I figure we can allow users to switch on/off the wheel widget for just about everything from there.19:24
sparrtablet calibration test on my tablet pc19:24
sp3000ahhh my eyes19:25
Jaffasparr: calibration of what?19:25
sparrused a straight edge with the stylus19:25
Jaffaah, cool19:25
sparrto see how accurate the touch->pixel mapping is19:25
JaffaPainted in what? Noticing the translucency19:25
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sparror krita19:25
sparri forget which19:25
sparrthat is just a multiply filter on the layer/brush19:26
trevarthandid you use X11 forwarding to run that on the tablet?19:26
sparrthat isnt the 77019:26
sparrits my full-size tablet pc19:26
trevarthanah. what model?19:27
sparrmotion m140019:27
trevarthanwow. looks huge. is it a pain to carry around?19:27
sparrits 9.5x12x.825", not too huge19:28
trevarthanI want some MediaTron paper from The Diamond Age.19:29
sparri carry it like a laptop, except its easier to use in midair because i can hold it like a notebook and use the stylus with the other hand19:29
sparrwhen im sitting it goes in my lap19:29
trevarthanyeah, looks more versatile than a laptop19:30
sparronly pain is typing, of course19:30
trevarthannot a whole lot smaller though19:30
sparrhandwriting recognition in linux isnt so nice, onscreen keyboard is the only real option19:31
sparroddly, i cant find anything for the desktop with recognition as good as hildon, i might steal that  :)19:31
trevarthanThe Diamond Age is
trevarthanhmmm... isn't the handwriting recognition in maemo proprietary?19:32
trevarthanif not, someone should really package it seperately.19:32
sparrwell, thats a good question...  its a compiled hildon plugin19:33
sparrtheres no reason it wouldnt run on another ARM linux system19:33
sparrno ARM on my desktop, unfortunately19:33
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trevarthanwell, I'm off to work on the scroll widget and get that much closer to making sparr happy by finding time to write a new slider widget.19:35
trevarthanI'm so giving. :P19:35
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Jaffa...and on Tuesday I get my BT headphones :-)19:42
trevarthanwhat model?19:45
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ekim|ircHow do I install a deb file19:53
ekim|ircgpodder doesnt provide a .install file19:54
Jaffatrevarthan: I've forgotten! Sony ones.19:55
trevarthanekim|irc: You should be able to download it, then open app manager manually, click the menu hardware button, and install from a file.19:56
trevarthanekim|irc: or, you can get root and SSH and do `dpkg -i ...`19:57
trevarthanJaffa: those look cool. Probably a good bit more comfy than my s9 phones too.19:58
ekim|ircI am already root+ssh19:58
ekim|ircwhats up with this19:58
ekim|ircW: GPG error: bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D19:58
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trevarthanekim|irc: looks like the package builder didn't have a GPG key. no big deal usually.19:58
trevarthanit keeps him from making a single click install though.19:59
ekim|ircIt screws me up20:00
ekim|ircHow do I fix it...20:00
ekim|ircor can I20:00
trevarthanare you making the package?20:00
trevarthanor just installing it?20:01
ekim|ircNot much of a coder :020:01
trevarthandon't worry about it then. it shouldn't keep you from installing with `dpkg -i`20:01
ekim|ircI hate c++20:01
trevarthanme too. :) I like python. no memory management to deal with.20:01
ekim|ircYeah...but its more convenient to use the gui installer20:01
ekim|ircI love python :)20:01
trevarthanekim|irc: right, so try installing from a file like I suggested. You can still use the app manager that way, it's just more than one click.20:02
trevarthanIt's App Manager -> Menu Hardware Button -> Applications -> Install from file... on my n800.20:04
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ekim|ircCan someone walk me trhough booting from the mmc card20:29
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_Monkeysomebody said mmc was smaller than sd20:32
_Monkeymultiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*"
pupnikhmm there's another guide somewhere20:33
* sp3000 disagrees with the shouting in those titles20:33
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ekim|ircThis guide is really confusing20:39
ekim|ircis there a video on how to do it20:39
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trevarthanI just had the urge to shout "There's a video on how to do your mom!". Seriously. There's something wrong with my brain.21:19
trevarthanI'm this guy:
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Luria_dude's mom is jenna jameson?21:48
Luria_cause that would make sense.21:48
Luria_trevarthan, nice dilbert link21:49
trevarthanthank you, thank you21:54
sullyDamn it. I want to get iodined working on my Blackdog.21:54
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qgilhi, any thoughts about ?21:59
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erstaziqgil: reading22:02
erstaziqgil: does orphans on the wiki still need massaging?22:02
qgilwe need to de-orphan all pages, yes - I have just opened the 10 on the top of the list and will deal with them now22:03
erstaziqgil: I will attack the orphans now, all I am doing is just relaxing so I can help out more22:03
qgilerstazi: great, thanks, you can start by the queue or HowToNFS 0622:04
trevarthanqgil: iphone still isn't open source. I like to use open source stuff. I bought an ipod, and I've replaced it with my n800 to first chance I got (i.e. Kagu).22:10
trevarthanI don't think I'm the norm. But that's probably how my brain will always work. I'll take open source over closed source (even when closed source is higher quality) any day.22:10
erstaziWell I agree somewhat, trevarthan22:11
erstaziI have found many *great* open source applications and platforms22:11
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qgiltrevarthan: it would be good to satisfy developers with your open source preferences... as well as all the rest - be just a great platform based on open source components22:12
erstazibut my point is, sometimes proprietary is not bad. but do realize, I am releasing a web application as AGPLv3 when its released22:13
qgilerstazi: what I'm doing is open wiki main page or WikiReorg every time I have to add a link to a page and then save immediately to avoid collision with you (or whoever wants to help)  ;)22:14
erstaziqgil: that works... I noticed the URI has changed22:15
qgilerstazi: what about Gustavo's point about a platform (like iphone's) without the typical elements of a platform i.e. sdk, crosscompilation, documentation, etc22:15
qgilwell, the iphone has some of this but not with an usual approach22:15
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qgilerstazi: what URI?22:15
erstaziqgil: and I agree, the iphone will only leave a possible developer having to hack the iphone to add an app22:15
erstaziqgil: the orphans22:16
Luria_trevarthan, rockbox?22:16
Jaffaqgil: I posted an insightful response (IMHO), but it's not showing up22:17
erstaziqgil: should I be working from
erstazior continue working from just the wiki?22:18
qgilerstazi: the current wiki, we are not touching anymore test.maemo.org22:18
erstaziqgil: ok, just verifying (I know to know know for sure (: )22:18
qgilJaffa: looking forward to it  :)22:18
Jaffaqgil: basically it boiled down to three factors as I see it: 1) Apple have, since the iMac and OS X, been viewed (rightly on the whole) as people spending a lot of time and attention to detail on well-designed, must-have, technochic devices. These became consumer devices with the iPod and put Apple on the map. As a result of this, there are more Apple fans and a more integrated marketing strategy (including news coverage). Because of this, I'd wager on at le22:19
Jaffamore iPhones having been sold already than any Maemo device.22:19
erstaziqgil: I noticed a mediawiki type of linking22:20
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erstaziqgil: which caused *a lot* of orphaned links, not purposely... so I corrected them...22:20
Jaffa2) The "because it's designed to be unhackable" factor that Gustavo touches on.22:20
erstaziqgil: but the linkage would be like: you are on article "foo" and you want to go to foo/bar so you do this [/bar] *but*22:20
qgilerstazi: i see22:21
erstaziqgil: if midgard CMS doesn't work that way, you have to do a separate article and thats how *all* of the articles are created... so I just removed the / out and removed a lot of orphans22:21
Jaffa3) These two alone aren't enough to get the *polished* apps: the reason they're there is because the built-in ones set the bar so high; everything's well integrated and thought out (I bet every single control and the position of it had a whole lot of meetings to decide on it). No IT OS release *seems* to have had that level of end-to-end UxD.22:21
erstaziqgil: I will add that to the wiki how to edit article sometime22:21
* Jaffa goes to watch a movie. BBL.22:22
qgilJaffa: indeed insightful22:22
qgilJaffa: I agree with the three points22:23
JaffaGustavo's post is very cool and insightful itself, though. Very good read :-)22:23
qgilJaffa: I also think we will get a lot more apps when Nokia puts the tablets higher in the marketing channels22:23
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ekim|ircplease help22:23
keesj_I think we must not forget that devices have purposes. everybody like the n800 when I show them . they love the screen/ thumb input method and I can really show them cool / usefull apps. but that's it, they lose atention when they hear there is not grps or gps22:23
ekim|ircI was following this guide22:23
ekim|ircand I got the thr first part of step 1222:24
keesj_not = no22:24
qgilJaffa: yeah, I wish many people "fave" it at so it stays on the top several days  :)22:24
ekim|ircI did apt-get isntal ltar22:24
ekim|ircthen it said it was gonna remove a bunch of stuff22:24
ekim|ircso I said ok22:24
ekim|ircthen it rebooted22:24
ekim|ircand now its stuck in an infinite reboot loop22:24
ekim|ircit geets half way and reboots22:24
ekim|ircPLEASE HELP ME22:24
ekim|ircWhat do I do22:25
keesj_remove the battery?22:25
keesj_then think slowly !22:25
ekim|ircThat wont help me get it booted22:25
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ekim|ircdo I need to reflash it22:25
ekim|ircWhat whent wrong ?22:25
ekim|ircPlease tell me22:26
keesj_I guess you did not use a prefix to install tar ? in the the apt-get install tar  and not busybox is gone?22:26
qgilkeesj_: is gps so high in people's expectations?22:26
ekim|ircthat english made no sense22:26
sullyInstead of installing tar from apt-get, you can download it22:26
ekim|ircyeah but how do I fix it NOW22:27
erstaziqgil: many people prefer GPS22:27
ekim|irctell me please22:27
sullyWell, first try taking out the MMC card with it turned off22:27
ekim|ircI just got this device yesterday22:27
zuhekim|irc: I'm afraid it's trough flashing the rootfs22:27
ekim|ircIts what ?22:27
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sullyholy bad English all over.22:27
sullyTry booting it with the MMC card taken out first, ekim|irc22:27
ekim|ircI did22:27
ekim|ircit says "Booting from flash"22:27
erstaziekim|irc: ok, you just got the nokia yesterday, lets step back22:27
ekim|ircit gets half way and reboots22:28
sullyokay, then you will need to reflash it completely22:28
erstaziekim|irc: remove the battery, and then insert the battery again22:28
erstaziand power up22:28
erstaziif it does it again, its time to flash it with OS2006 or OS2007 depending on the device22:29
ekim|ircshould it work this time ?22:29
erstaziekim|irc: in reality, nothing ever works heh22:29
sullyFlash it with 200622:29
sullyWhat MMC card did you buy?22:29
ekim|irceInfinite reboot cycle22:29
ekim|irckingston 1 gb22:29
erstaziekim|irc: do you have a 770 or n800?22:29
ekim|ircI gotta flash it huh22:29
sullyok, you can definitely use the kernel speed hack22:29
erstaziekim|irc: do you have Linux or Windows or Mac?22:30
ekim|ircNo big deal I guess...22:30
keesj_qgil: not by default. but it would give an idea of what to do with the device. for me it's not clear what I should to with the device(multi-media seams the most probable right?).22:30
ekim|ircIts just a pain to do all those steps over again22:30
ekim|irccan you cpmpletely brick a 770 ?22:30
sullyIt's pretty fast the second time around, ekim|irc22:30
erstaziekim|irc: I would hold off from dual booting at this moment22:30
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ekim|ircwhy is that22:30
erstaziekim|irc: do you understand/know linux?22:30
infoboterstazi meant: ekim|irc: do you understand/know *nix?22:30
sullyWhen you need GNU tar next time, get this file (already compiled):
erstaziyeah, get the GNU tar, that might help22:31
ekim|ircis that a binary22:31
ekim|ircI can just run it22:31
erstaziekim|irc: do you have linux at your disposal?22:31
sullyyou can just run it22:31
ekim|ircnot at the moment22:31
erstaziekim|irc: windows? mac?22:31
erstaziekim|irc: ok you can go to the nokia website and download the flasher22:31
qgilkeesj_: yeah, know what you mean22:31
ekim|ircI alrweady downloaded it22:31
sullyGo ahead and flash the device, you'll be back and up in no time22:32
r2d2rogersGood afternoon.22:32
erstaziekim|irc: its actually pretty quick to flash22:32
erstaziless than 10 or 20 minutes22:32
erstazijust grab a cup of coffee or beer or some Jack Daniels... or all 3 (:22:32
keesj_idem one could say that it lacks software fo the the "real busyness" people.22:32
r2d2rogersI've got a 770 with a reboot loop myself, but it's in the MMC install22:32
r2d2rogersis there any way to get a boot log to look at?22:33
erstazikeesj_: it depends on what kind of software you are talking about for business people, please name some22:33
ekim|ircso all you gotta do is remove the card and everything works22:33
erstaziekim|irc: did that happen to you?22:33
erstaziekim|irc: can you remove the card and it works?22:33
r2d2rogersI can even boot the internal flash and mount the MMC install on /opt22:33
erstaziflash it22:33
_MonkeyFirmware and associated utilities are available from
r2d2rogersand get my files22:33
ekim|ircI never got the the part wheere I copy stuff to the card22:33
r2d2rogersBut I'd rather figure out what is wrong so I can not do it in the future22:34
ekim|ircI really wish I could do this entire thing over ssh22:34
ekim|irc the home key is the key wit hthe picture of the little house right22:34
* r2d2rogers nods22:34
erstazir2d2rogers: there are a few that are experienced in that, pupnik around?22:34
r2d2rogersyeah a bluetooth keyboard would help there too22:34
erstazipupnik dual-boots22:34
sullyI do the entire thing over SSH actually22:34
r2d2rogershe wasn't able to point out much ther other day22:34
pupniki just followed the howto22:34
erstaziI prefer ssh22:35
ekim|ircI like ssh22:35
ekim|ircwhat do you use ... dropbear or openssh22:35
ekim|ircI use dropbear because its so simple22:35
r2d2rogershey pupnik,how ya doing?22:35
_Monkeyrumour has it dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client.
erstazipupnik: we have two that are having infinite loop problems22:35
keesj_erstazi: guess I need to say something like "exchange-push" emails support outlook sync. really the kind of stuff I really dislike22:35
erstaziekim|irc: openssh is my favorite22:35
r2d2rogersI killed the watch dog and got rid of the infinite boot,22:35
erstazikeesj_: from my side, claws does that22:35
r2d2rogersbut then it never changes from the boot screen with the full blue bar at the bottom22:35
ekim|ircso lets go down the list22:36
ekim|ircWhats steps I have to repeat22:36
ekim|irci think the only package I really need to reinstall is xterm right ?22:36
ekim|ircthen I need to add to the sources list22:36
erstazir2d2rogers: can you access /boot?22:36
ekim|ircnext time I will use this tar22:36
r2d2rogersone sec22:36
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r2d2rogersbooting the 770 to flash22:36
erstazi_Monkey: tell ekim|irc about xterm22:36
ekim|ircwaht about it ?22:37
erstaziekim|irc: thats the best one to grab22:37
erstaziand try openssh22:37
ekim|ircthere is more then one xterm22:37
erstazi_Monkey: tell ekim|irc about openssh22:37
erstaziekim|irc: yes, the one I suggested is much more functional22:37
erstaziI would follow the how-to through ssh definitely22:38
r2d2rogersHmm I wonder if I could set the MMC install to connect to my wireless automatically?22:38
r2d2rogersit's saved in there22:38
r2d2rogersfor internal flash booted22:38
r2d2rogerslet me mount the MMC install22:38
sullyr2d2rogers, what MMC card do you have?22:39
erstaziI had a mmc become corrupt yesterday22:39
erstaziI had to format it again22:39
erstazir2d2rogers: you have a 770 as well?22:39
r2d2rogerserstazi, yessir22:39
erstazigreat deal they have those as! I am glad I picked mine up at $130 and free shipping22:39
r2d2rogersI wish22:39
r2d2rogersbut I can say my work paid for it for me <G>22:39
erstazir2d2rogers: same here actually (:22:40
r2d2rogersmy boss just bought the N80022:40
erstazione of the companies I am contracted to "paid" for it22:40
r2d2rogersso I'll be playing with Flash 9 on the 770 at some point22:40
erstazian added bonus22:40
ekim|irchas anyone gotten any other window manager to work on this beside windowmaker22:40
erstazir2d2rogers: I would like to see a working gnash for OS2006, I know there is one but I haven't had the time to mess with it22:40
bluehashis there a way to access the serial port behind the N80022:41
ekim|ircIt would be really cool to see fluxbox on this22:41
sullyGuys, I'm trying to install iodine from - PowerPC version. I type "apt-get install iodine" and get back "Package iodine has no installation candidate."22:41
ekim|ircwhy did they say it takes 2- minutes to update ?22:41
ekim|ircIt took me 322:41
keesj_if you want something really cool ->
r2d2rogersso you'd be plesantly surprised ?<G>22:42
ekim|ircThe 770 has an arm processor22:42
ekim|ircdoesn't the 800 too ?22:42
r2d2rogershmm my ssh to the 770 isn't workinf..22:42
zuhbluehash: you'll need to build a cable for it (the wiring is explained in some web page IIRC), but after that it should be like any other serial console22:42
bluehashcan I communicate with it22:43
timelyheads up: reorg is starting *now* it will take me about 8 hours (estimate)22:43
timelyas i'm also going to a party :)22:43
r2d2rogershash mismatch22:43
r2d2rogerskey_verify failed for server_host_key22:43
ekim|ircThats really weird22:43
qgiltimely: hey man22:43
ekim|ircWhen I clicked select connection my 770 rebooted22:43
ekim|ircwhats up with that ?22:43
r2d2rogersfor OpenSSH how do you recreate the RSA stuff?22:44
bluehashzuh :  can I communicate with the port22:44
qgilerstazi: cleeaned my 10 orphan pages of the day, there are just 51 missing22:44
qgilerstazi: ... alright, I'll go for 10 more and then I 'll go for the stuff I should be really doing  :)22:44
erstaziqgil: don'tworry I will do your 10 plus 10 more22:44
erstaziqgil: I had to stop for a second, kids causing my wife an headache22:45
qgilno, I'll do my extra 10  :)22:45
qgilerstazi: my kids gave us a headache the whole day but now seem to be deeply sleeping22:45
qgilIf someone wants to de-orphan please start at Known Issues since I'm pickeng the previous in the list22:47
r2d2rogersreinstalling SSH22:47
erstaziqgil: I wish I was in your time zone ugh22:47
erstaziI am starting at the bottom of the list22:47
erstaziand working my way on up22:47
timelyhi qgil22:48
zuhbluehash: I guess it should act like a normal serial port once you get it connected...22:48
erstaziqgil: is there still a PagesToDelete?22:49
ekim|ircWhere do I get gainroot from again ?22:50
ekim|ircI forget22:50
erstaziqgil: nevermind found it22:50
erstazi_Monkey: tell ekim|irc about becomeroot22:50
erstaziekim|irc: becomeroot does sudo gainroot22:50
bluehashZuh : how come it doesnt show up in /dev/ttyS022:50
zuhbluehash: "show up"?22:52
bluehashzuh : if there is a serial port on the N800, shouldnt there be a /dev/ttyS0 to access it22:53
zuhI have one, but that doesn't really prove it (since the nodes could be hand-created too, without any hw behind it...)22:54
zuhThis is the developer rootfs though22:54
erstaziqgil: do you know the people at midgard by chance?22:56
bluehashzuh : do you recoomend Bluetooth serial?/Has anyone tried it yet22:56
qgilerstazi: oh yes22:56
timelyhrm, flash or flash 7 / flash 9 ?22:56
erstaziqgil: how is Nokia involved with them? by contract?22:56
qgilerstazi: yes22:56
erstazitheir CMS is not accessible22:57
qgilwith Nemein in Espoo - Henri Bergius & co22:57
erstaziI am a web developer that follows the WAI guidelines very strictly22:57
erstaziI will have to contact them about the issues I find.22:58
qgilerstazi: you have seen Henri Bergius in the maemo lists22:59
erstaziah, his company did this?22:59
qgilerstazi: is a problem this floating bar?22:59
qgilerstazi: well, I don't know if they are the original authors but they are heavily involved since ages and they know it all23:00
erstaziqgil: partially, also an other non-accessible issue: the URL's are not just /community/wiki/articlename/ but
_MonkeyHmm.  No matches for that, erstazi.23:00
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erstaziqgil: overall, it seems they have a lot of code to do a simple thing... thats another caveat23:01
erstazigzip compression could be used on css, js, (x)html, etc etc23:01
erstazior deflate because you guys are using apache 2.x23:01
qgilerstazi: I can only say that the decision of using Midgard was taken before I joined Nokia - and of course I accepted it23:02
erstaziqgil: yeah, thats ok, midgard is not bad23:02
erstaziit just needs tweaking23:02
qgilerstazi: coincidentally, I had to choose months before several CMSs for - Midgard was in the final and for several reasons we decided to go for Plone23:03
erstaziwe can bypass the idea that less code is needed and just compress things and have the server side strip newlines and tabs/spaces out23:03
qgilyes, Midgard has some virtues (having core developers 20 minutes from your office is to me one of the strongest)23:03
erstaziI don't think midgard itself is lacking23:03
erstazijust it could use some tweaking23:04
qgilerstazi: any suggestions are welcome23:04
qgilalso about the site itself23:04
timelyqgil: one thing23:04
erstaziqgil: nothing I do is "revolutionary" but all my ideas for my company is being released as AGPL when the license becomes to public23:04
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timelythe nokia naming of versions *sucks* from a sorting perspective23:04
timely0.2005, 0.2006, 1.2005, 1.200623:04
timelygot a suggested alternate?23:04
timely(versions don't have sort keys)23:05
qgiltimely: use the maemo correspondents23:05
timelythe names?23:05
timelyi don't even know them!23:05
qgilno, versions23:05
erstazilike OS2006 is Maemo 2.223:05
timelyoh, 1.1 and friends?23:05
timelyoh ok, that's very doable23:05
erstazior OS2006 is Maemo 3.x23:05
* timely just makes {1,2,3,4}.{0,1,2,3}23:05
qgiltimely: but wait, doable but... will users know that?23:05
erstazis/OS2006 is Maemo 3/OS2007 is Maemo 3/23:06
timelyno :)23:06
erstaziqgil: good point23:06
timelyqgil: we can make guided help there23:06
timelyand probably if we want to hack search's ui we could do that too23:06
erstazitimely: are you programming something?23:06
timelythe problem is that if i do 2005-1 will people understand that's 1.2005?23:06
timelyerstazi: i'm reprogramming the bugzilla db23:06
qgiltimely: let me think23:06
timelygenerally this is not programming23:07
timelyqgil: ok23:07
erstazitimely: if its SQL, its programming (:23:07
timelyit isn't23:07
timelyi'm using a ui23:07
timelyactually, i'm going to a party while qgil thinks23:07
erstazihave fun timely23:07
timelybut i'm taking an n800 w/ admin credentials and timelE61i will look in from there23:07
erstaziI think doing this would work perfectly: OS2006/Maemo 2.223:08
qgiltimely: before IT OS in practice we have IT OS 2006 and Hacker editions (there is people that has filed bugs about it there) - should we really consider IT OS 2006 variants and IT OS 2005?23:08
timelywell, it hardly matters23:08
timelysomeday there will be something != 200723:08
timelyyou need a solution that works for when nokia makes my life painful23:09
timelynow think while i walk :)23:09
erstaziqgil: can you send a comment up for me?23:09
erstaziqgil: this is what I want inplace of a t-shirt23:09
amrhow can i change where maemo mapper saves the maps23:09
erstaziamr: you found it?23:10
r2d2rogerslook in the menu ?23:10
amryeah under manage repositories23:10
amrthanks r2d223:10
qgiltimely: IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to lst stable when submitting a bug23:10
amrim so glad you are here23:10
qgilthe for the maemo specific components we will use the maemo numbering23:10
zuhbluehash: I don't really have experience with such stuff with N800, you'll have to google for it (and it's bed time for me)23:10
r2d2rogersfigured I could try to help while I fix my problem23:10
qgilerstazi: a comment?23:11
r2d2rogerssorry I didn't finish typing out out beofre you found it23:11
erstaziqgil: yes,... "thank you for maemo"23:11
erstaziqgil: really, this is why I bought the Nokia 770 and will be buying the n800 sometime.23:11
erstaziqgil: and there is a business model with Open Source, I found out that its true after 10 years... I was afraid of releasing anything as Open Source.23:12
DaniloCesarHi guys.. How can I tunneling my connection over ssh? There is a package or something to do that?23:13
erstaziDaniloCesar: commandline23:13
erstaziDaniloCesar: just read up on ssh tunneling23:13
sullydamn it, so close to getting iodined up23:13
erstaziI do it all the time23:13
r2d2rogersssh -D <port number>23:13
r2d2rogersgets you a sock poxy at locahost:,portnumber>23:14
DaniloCesarIn my Desktop I use ssh -D 5151 to build the tunnel and tsocks to work with applications. But tsocks doesn't work with N80023:14
DaniloCesarOk... But I need to do this every time that I want to use (or not) the tunnel?23:15
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erstaziDaniloCesar: set up a shell script23:15
qgilmmmm erstazi, I'm a bit confused  :)23:15
erstaziqgil: how so?23:15
qgilerstazi: I'm sorry but I'll send you the maemo shirt23:15
erstaziqgil: I already got my gratification, I found articles that I want to use.23:16
qgilerstazi: then... how it comes that you don't have an N800 - you are one the wiser guys in the maemo community23:16
erstaziqgil: I bought my 770 about 2 months ago, I prefer to mess with the stablest first (:23:17
erstazinot that OS2007 is not stable, just like stabler (:23:17
r2d2rogerserstazi: I finally fixed my ssh, and I can get to either /boot folder23:17
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erstaziqgil: mainly don't want to invest $200 more in something I am going to break (:23:17
sparri got the fingerprint sensor "working" on my new tablet.  no apps to use it, but the driver and proof-of-concept apps work23:18
erstazir2d2rogers: congrads23:18
amran n800 is only $200?23:18
erstaziamr: no23:18
sparri wish23:18
amryeah i was going to say, id have bought 323:18
erstaziamr: $200 more than a 770, n800 is only $33023:18
sparrid have bought a hundred23:18
r2d2rogerserstazi: thanks, I don't find anything in them currently though23:18
amroh thats not bad23:18
sparrebay  :)23:18
erstazisparr: not even ebay23:18
sparri would have sold them on ebay if i got them for $200 elsewhere23:19
erstazithose nuts on there even bid higher than what was selling the 770 for!23:19
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erstaziI sell on ebay myself *sometimes*23:19
sparrif i sell my 770 it will be on ebay, and i will sell it for more than retail23:19
sparrpre-loaded with decent software is worth $$ to people too stupid to set things up23:19
erstazisparr: correction... people will be willing to pay more than for retail!23:19
qgilsparr: if you seel it with your hacks inside probably the increased price is worth  ;)23:20
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erstazisparr: for a brand new 770, I saw people pay $50 more than buy.com23:20
timelE61ialmost there, ...23:20
sparri believe it23:20
erstaziwb timelE61i23:20
erstaziI am not promoting but they gave me a great deal when everyone else was asking $150 for a 77023:20
erstaziand now I got a few companies looking at buying 770's for their employees23:21
kikkaDoes ship to germany?23:21
sullyMy company bought 4 on my recommendation, actually23:21
timelE61iwhere's klausk boulevardi 5?23:21
erstazikikka: they accept euroe23:21
infoboterstazi meant: kikka: they accept euro23:21
sp3000timelE61i: Did you mean: klaus k bulevardi23:21
sp3000(hey, that's what google gave me :P)23:22
kikkaMhm, yes. Mhm... Well, i paid in german  shop 170€. That's ok.23:22
qgilafter dealing with 20 wiki orphan pages there are currently only 40 left23:22
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timelE61ii'm at mannerheimenti23:22
qgilnow I should go and do non-maemo stuff23:22
erstaziqgil: I am ok it, my wife was talking to me, and saw the shirt offer, she said size small heh23:22
sparrmy company bought 2 770s so far.  and myself and my boss bought our own.  we hope to get a dozen more for the company once we get people using them23:22
erstazisparr: they are great for mobility in the office23:23
sp3000timelE61i: I see 2-4, dunno what's at 523:23
qgilerstazi: on Monday I will send you an email asking your snail mail address and sices for men and woman23:23
erstaziqgil: thank you23:23
r2d2rogersso is there a way to get a boot log out of a 770?23:23
sparrr2d2rogers: dmesg?  syslog?23:23
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timelE61iwait, boulevardi changes name at mannerheim doesn't it23:23
sparrwe have a legacy sco unix server that runs our warehouse management software via telnet...  xterm+telnet on the 770 will be a cheap solution for people wandering the warehouse looking for things23:24
qgiltimelE61i: are you backporting to IRC?23:24
r2d2rogerssparr: can't do dmesg for the rebooting issue, but can get to something after booting back to internal flash23:24
timelE61isp3000 kitos23:24
r2d2rogerssparr: I'm dual booting OS2006 and have messed up the MMC install somehow23:24
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r2d2rogerssparr: but I can access the MMC file system and even install packegs through a chroot23:25
sparroh, dunno then.  good luck.23:25
r2d2rogerssparr: thanks23:26
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qgiltimelE61i: yes23:29
timelE61ii don't have email here23:29
timelE61idid you zap something from connectivity?23:29
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timelE61iif so please update wiki23:29
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* timelE61i reloads23:30
qgiltimelE61i: they told me that "phone" wasn't a sensible component and I removed it, that's all23:30
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timelE61ik.  i forgot to reload and saw it. My faulr23:31
qgiltimelE61i: I'm assuming you are looking at
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PaoloHello guys23:32
PaoloHow are you ?23:32
* sp3000 still feels poor mediaplayer should go to apps rather than hang out all alone in multimedia23:33
PaoloI have readed the newspaper last day23:33
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PaoloAnd there was written that the cd never could be produced23:34
PaoloThis is a problem for all the sector of music23:35
r2d2rogerswould anyone have suggestions on where I might look into setting my 770 to auto connect to wifi on boot?23:35
r2d2rogersmaybe the command like with the browser asking for a web page?23:36
PaoloForesta 25 years we have listen the music with the player for music or on the computer23:36
infobotr2d2rogers meant: maybe the command line with the browser asking for a web page?23:36
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r2d2rogershey nice bot23:36
PaoloNow the problem is that there are not anymore covers and texts for the songs23:37
qgilsp3000: well, you have a point - now that it's a component alone - timelE61i feel free to leave it under Applications if after the party your brain tells you it makes sense23:38
PaoloBut only the possibility to buy on internet23:38
timelE61ik. We'll see23:38
timelE61ii'm closing products atm23:39
timelE61ibtw, i need versions to merge 770 to n80023:40
qgiltimelE61i: as I said before - I suggest IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to last stable when submitting a bug23:41
PaoloAnd people have not adsl, wi-fi... How they could listen the music ? Why to pay a price to itunes or others when i can buy23:41
qgiltimelE61i: maemo specific products will have the maemo numbering23:41
PaoloIn to my preferrered shop or on a bookstore ?23:42
qgilhi roope23:42
PaoloI think that a petition could stop this crazy idea23:43
PaoloBye bye paolo ninuxpdb@gmail.com23:43
sullyOnline petitions always work23:43
roope  is one interesting example of internet music.23:43
roopea really wide selection. it's free. just type a song and listen.23:44
qgiltimelE61i: for maemo we have 2.2 and 3.x - I don't see the need to put all the rest23:45
timelE61iis there a pge that lists them?23:45
qgiltimelE61i: I have an early draft in my laptop  :P23:46
roopehaven't tried with our browser(s), though.23:46
timelE61iis it connected23:46
qgiltimelE61i: no, is taking a deserved weekend rest23:47
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qgiltimelE61i: in fact, what I have in my laptop is a bit more of a small history of maemo23:48
qgiltimelE61i: we could include Sardine, yes - not Herring though23:49
qgilerstazi: oh, I forgot to tell you something very important before - so confused I was23:51
qgilerstazi: "Thank You"23:51
erstaziqgil: no problem at all23:51
erstaziI enjoy helping if I have time23:51
qgilerstazi: I'm taking now all the Maemo* pages23:52
erstaziqgil: I don't understand that last statement23:53
sullyMost awkward pageant answer c/o Miss Teen USA 2007 South Carolina:
qgilerstazi: I'm going through all the pages starying with "Maemo" at
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erstazihi user_23:54
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ekim|ircIt worked23:55
erstaziekim|irc: flashed?23:55
erstaziekim|irc: OS2006?23:55
_Monkeyit has been said that OS2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 77023:55
ekim|ircI am now booted from the mmc23:55
erstaziekim|irc: oh wait you have an n80023:55
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ekim|ircI did that yes23:55
erstaziekim|irc: is it faster or have you not did a benchmark test yet?23:55
ekim|ircbut that was quick23:55
ekim|ircit doesnt seem much faster23:55
ekim|irchow much faster should it boot23:55
erstaziI keep on hearing that but I find it hard to believe23:55
ekim|ircit still takes about 20 seconds to boot23:56
erstaziits all flash really23:56
ekim|ircI know23:56
erstazithats expected, in my opinion23:56
ekim|ircI didnt do it for speed23:56
ekim|ircI did it for space23:56
erstaziI got ya now23:56
ekim|ircWhat are some of your favorite apps23:56
ekim|ircNow I gotta start from scratch23:56
ekim|ircwhat do you think I should install23:56
erstaziekim|irc: oh I got a few23:56
ekim|irclets have 'em :023:56
ekim|irc* :)23:56
erstaziqgil: I am going to stop for a second and attack the rest of the ones besides maemo*23:57
erstaziekim|irc: I will have _Monkey do the work for me ok?23:57
_Monkeyi guess fbreader is a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker.
erstaziekim|irc: you have OS2006 correct?23:57
erstaziekim|irc: maybe I should start from the most important and work my way down (: I can give you my sources.list as well23:58
DaniloCesarHow can I start browser by command line?23:58
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erstaziDaniloCesar: mmm the opera browser?23:58
erstaziDaniloCesar: try typing/tapping opera23:58
DaniloCesaror MicroB.. Is the same commando rigth?23:59
erstazitry it23:59
DaniloCesarThere is no commando opera23:59
DaniloCesarthere is a "browser" command, but don't work23:59

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