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| pupnik | hi sbz | 00:06 |
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| r2d2rogers | good afternoon | 00:07 |
| pupnik | hello | 00:07 |
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| balo1 | long shot but is anyone here from India? Off on a business trip Tuesday and wondered what I MUST see in New Delhi | 00:07 |
| r2d2rogers | I have a 770 that I setup to boot from the MMC, and I managed to get that install into a reboot loop with packages from the herring repository | 00:08 |
| sbz | nobody about my problem ? | 00:08 |
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| pupnik | sbz, don't install osso-xterm onto ubuntu | 00:08 |
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| r2d2rogers | I was wondering what chance I have of fixing that from a chroot into the root of the mmc isntall | 00:08 |
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| pupnik | r2d2rogers: can you boot to internal flash? | 00:09 |
| r2d2rogers | yes i can | 00:09 |
| r2d2rogers | I know I can blow away the flash install, but I was wondering if i could recover it | 00:09 |
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| pupnik | might be possible, but without a boot log might not be easy to diagnose | 00:10 |
| r2d2rogers | what's the best way to get a boot log? | 00:10 |
| pupnik | dunno | 00:11 |
| r2d2rogers | I can install packages into the mmc install via chroot from the flash install | 00:11 |
| pupnik | yeah... you could also do a search for different files between flash and mmc | 00:11 |
| pupnik | like diff -r a tree | 00:11 |
| r2d2rogers | wow | 00:11 |
| r2d2rogers | yeha | 00:11 |
| r2d2rogers | I guess it comes down to is the time worth it? | 00:12 |
| unique311 | pupnik, you own final fantasy XI for the PC? | 00:12 |
| pupnik | no unique311 | 00:12 |
| pupnik | just 7 and 9 for psx | 00:12 |
| unique311 | ok | 00:12 |
| pupnik | hows xi? isn't that online | 00:12 |
| sbz | 6 on snes is fantastic | 00:13 |
| unique311 | yeah. | 00:13 |
| unique311 | but i have a couple of links for free servers. | 00:13 |
| unique311 | going to try those out. | 00:13 |
| unique311 | i actually have XI and XII(X-2) | 00:14 |
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| sbz | i have finished ff5,6,7,8,9 & X :) | 00:14 |
| sbz | i'd rather the 6th and the 9th | 00:15 |
| unique311 | 7 and 9 for me | 00:15 |
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| sbz | i'm fond of snes rpg unique311 | 00:16 |
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| r2d2rogers | so there is a boot.log file on the N800 huh? | 00:20 |
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| r2d2rogers | pupnik: thanks | 00:27 |
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| pupnik | sbz i'm sorry there is no progress on a good snes emulator | 00:32 |
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| ekim|irc | Hi | 00:43 |
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| ekim|irc | I just got my 770 (literally minutes ago) | 00:46 |
| ekim|irc | How can I install apps to the mmc card ? | 00:46 |
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| c0ffee | ekim|irc, you have to use dpkg for that | 00:54 |
| c0ffee | ekim|irc, the app installer doesn't support that | 00:54 |
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| ekim|irc | How do I flash my 770 with the latest image | 01:08 |
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| soolek_ | under linux or windows? | 01:11 |
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| ekim|irc | windows | 01:11 |
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| sp3000 | http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 | 01:11 |
| soolek | download flasher and after that is generaly just clicking next next next finish :) | 01:12 |
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| ekim|irc | is that the latest one ? | 01:12 |
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| soolek | yes. | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | 2007 edition doesn't run on the 770 | 01:13 |
| soolek | latest official | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | Only th 800 | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | ? | 01:13 |
| soolek | it does run | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | Officially... | 01:13 |
| soolek | 2007 HE runs but it's beta version | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | Is it better then the latest stable one ? | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | Also | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | How do I connect the 770 to my computer | 01:13 |
| soolek | it depend | 01:13 |
| soolek | s | 01:13 |
| ekim|irc | I have a miniusb cable | 01:14 |
| soolek | use the cable luke | 01:14 |
| ekim|irc | is ther a "USB mode" ? | 01:14 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh | 01:14 |
| ekim|irc | its automatic | 01:14 |
| ekim|irc | Nice | 01:14 |
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| ekim|irc | dang | 01:20 |
| ekim|irc | the update takes 20 minutes | 01:20 |
| ekim|irc | Well...I literally just opened the box from the ups guy...so I guess I better wait for it to charge | 01:20 |
| pupnik | congratulations :) | 01:21 |
| ekim|irc | I know :) | 01:21 |
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| ekim|irc | I couldn't afford the n800 :( | 01:21 |
| ekim|irc | is it a lot better ? | 01:22 |
| pupnik | i couldn't afford the 770 :) | 01:22 |
| ekim|irc | or is it just numbers... | 01:22 |
| pupnik | i wouldn't feel bad, the 770 does some things better than the n800 | 01:22 |
| ekim|irc | Like ? | 01:23 |
| pupnik | the 770 was worth $400 to me 9 months ago :) | 01:23 |
| ekim|irc | I know the n800 has a camera | 01:23 |
| bmidgley | the main problem is the 770 is being left behind in s/w | 01:23 |
| pupnik | it's slimmer and has a case | 01:23 |
| ekim|irc | and that would be cool for like the first 5 minutes... | 01:23 |
| ekim|irc | then I would never use it again | 01:23 |
| bmidgley | the 770 stylus and ext buttons are nicer | 01:23 |
| ekim|irc | But ... one nice thing about the n800 is that it takes sd cards | 01:24 |
| ekim|irc | right ? | 01:24 |
| bmidgley | yes that's nice | 01:25 |
| pupnik | yes, and faster, more ram, slightly better screen, fm radio, camera, newer browser and kernel | 01:25 |
| ekim|irc | But rs-mmc cards are as cheap as dirt as sd cards | 01:25 |
| ekim|irc | I bought a gig on amazon for 20 bucks | 01:25 |
| ekim|irc | and thats just to "Hold me over" until I can afford a bigger one | 01:25 |
| pupnik | i think the 770 closeout sales were too cheap :) | 01:25 |
| ekim|irc | I dont :) | 01:26 |
| ekim|irc | I bought mine for 120 bucks | 01:26 |
| bmidgley | yeah my 770 is barely worth the price of an extra battery and ac adapter | 01:26 |
| bmidgley | I kept it | 01:26 |
| ekim|irc | Why ? | 01:26 |
| bmidgley | I keep one ac adapter at work and use the extra battery when traveling | 01:26 |
| ekim|irc | What are you saying ? | 01:27 |
| bmidgley | I also let the kids draw pictures on the 770 | 01:27 |
| ekim|irc | Are you saying the 770 is lame ? | 01:27 |
| bmidgley | I didn't sell my 770 even after I got the n800 | 01:27 |
| pupnik | bmidgley: we could use better sketching software | 01:27 |
| bmidgley | just that it became too cheap too fast to get a decent resale | 01:27 |
| pupnik | tried tuxpaint on it? | 01:28 |
| bmidgley | no | 01:28 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh lol | 01:28 |
| ekim|irc | Bad for you and good for me :) | 01:28 |
| pupnik | younger kids love tuxpaint | 01:28 |
| ekim|irc | is there any way I can tell how much basttery power my 770 has ? | 01:29 |
| * bmidgley digs out 770... | 01:29 | |
| bmidgley | still charged | 01:29 |
| bmidgley | my n800 sometimes won't autoconnect and spits out a network error | 01:29 |
| bmidgley | tuxpaint won't install... needs libsdl-ttf | 01:31 |
| ekim|irc | yeah...but how do I tell how much battery power my 770 has | 01:31 |
| ekim|irc | I wanna run the update | 01:31 |
| ekim|irc | I just got it like an hour ago | 01:31 |
| ekim|irc | I dont wanna have a fancy brick | 01:31 |
| bmidgley | battery meter works when ac is unplugged | 01:31 |
| bmidgley | be patient and get it up to 4 bars :) | 01:32 |
| pupnik | if you just got it, there's no update | 01:32 |
| ekim|irc | I just got it from a reseller | 01:32 |
| pupnik | you have the current, official OS | 01:32 |
| ekim|irc | I dont know how long it as in the warehouse | 01:32 |
| ekim|irc | Has anyone else hasd any problems installing canola | 01:32 |
| sp3000 | oh, cool, half everything's down | 01:33 |
| * sp3000 grumbles | 01:33 | |
| bmidgley | which repository has libsdl-ttf for 770? | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | libsdl-ttf2.0-0 | 01:36 |
| ekim|irc | I installed canola and it says unable to unstall | 01:36 |
| ekim|irc | but it stillaa ds the icon | 01:36 |
| ekim|irc | when I click it ... it launches the spash screen for about 45 seconds then dies | 01:36 |
| pupnik | Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/s/sdl-ttf2.0/libsdl-ttf2.0-0_2.0.6-5osso1_armel.deb | 01:37 |
| ekim|irc | I removed it with the application manager but it still shows up | 01:37 |
| pupnik | give the canola folks some feedback ekim|irc | 01:38 |
| pupnik | they need feedback from new users | 01:38 |
| pupnik | also check the log in the application manager to get details on what failed in the installation | 01:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | ekim|irc: possible some dependency was not installed | 01:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | ekim|irc: application installer don't handle these cases that well | 01:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | cause of failure may be network problem, server problem, ... | 01:40 |
| ekim|irc | Yeah | 01:42 |
| ekim|irc | a bunch of dependencies werent installed | 01:42 |
| ekim|irc | I looked at the log | 01:42 |
| ekim|irc | anyhow | 01:42 |
| ekim|irc | I just wanna get ssh on this thing so I can really get down to business | 01:42 |
| ekim|irc | :) | 01:42 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8883 <<< CANOLA THREAD | 01:43 |
| vmarks | canolli? | 01:43 |
| vmarks | mmmm | 01:43 |
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| ekim|irc | canola | 01:43 |
| _Monkey | canola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend | 01:43 |
| ekim|irc | Really | 01:43 |
| sp3000 | repository.maemo.org is teh downzorz atm so that could be a bit of a speed bump | 01:44 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh | 01:44 |
| ekim|irc | That would explain the erros | 01:44 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh | 01:44 |
| ekim|irc | Wow | 01:44 |
| ekim|irc | maybe thats why I couldnt install canola | 01:44 |
| ekim|irc | a bunch of the stuff it needs was probably on that server | 01:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | maybe, dunno | 01:44 |
| ekim|irc | What is the easiest way to get ssh working on this thing | 01:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | I'll back to hacking | 01:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | lsobral can help you | 01:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 01:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | I hope | 01:45 |
| sp3000 | ekim|irc: http://maemo.org/downloads/ and search is generally a good start | 01:47 |
| sp3000 | of course all the ssh hits point to things that aren't available at the moment :) | 01:47 |
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| ekim|irc | Hmm | 01:47 |
| ekim|irc | can I run pidgin on the 770 | 01:47 |
| sp3000 | the same spell will probably tell you | 01:49 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh | 01:49 |
| ekim|irc | Duh | 01:49 |
| sp3000 | esp http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ once it stops taking a nap | 01:49 |
| ekim|irc | here is why I cant get canola working | 01:49 |
| ekim|irc | This is what the repo says | 01:49 |
| ekim|irc | Depends http://repository.maemo.org/ mistral free non-free | 01:49 |
| ekim|irc | there you go | 01:49 |
| ekim|irc | Since that repo is down...It couldn't get a bunch of stuff | 01:50 |
| ekim|irc | Can I install os 2007 on my new 770 ? | 01:50 |
| sp3000 | see topic | 01:51 |
| ekim|irc | does it work ok ? | 01:51 |
| ekim|irc | and what are the benefits of upgrafing | 01:51 |
| ekim|irc | upgrading | 01:51 |
| sp3000 | or http://google.com/search?q=cache:garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | 01:52 |
| pupnik | being able to contribute to a new OS in-development | 01:52 |
| sp3000 | it's not so much an end-user release | 01:52 |
| ekim|irc | any end user benefits | 01:52 |
| ekim|irc | Basically what I am asking is...are ther eany apps that ONLY run on os 2007 | 01:52 |
| pupnik | the clicky sound when tapping the screen is nicer | 01:52 |
| ekim|irc | Nice | 01:52 |
| sp3000 | heh | 01:52 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh also... | 01:52 |
| _Monkey | somebody said also was there a nice tutorial for setting up a python dev environment for the n800? | 01:52 |
| pupnik | hahahaha | 01:53 |
| ekim|irc | I dont understand why you can do something on the 800 and not the 770 | 01:53 |
| ekim|irc | its not THAT much better | 01:53 |
| Fatal | management decisions | 01:53 |
| ekim|irc | the only n800 specific app I can think of is a camera related app | 01:53 |
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| Fatal | you'll find this happens (sadly) to most products, and nokia is not an exception | 01:54 |
| ekim|irc | I believe the 770 was EOL'd by nokia right ? | 01:54 |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: no, also is <reply> | 01:54 |
| _Monkey | ...but also is there a nice tutorial for setting up a python dev environment for the n800?... | 01:54 |
| ekim|irc | but the hacker community will keap it alove | 01:54 |
| ekim|irc | :) | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | hm, it doesn't understand no | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: forget also | 01:55 |
| _Monkey | sp3000: I forgot also | 01:55 |
| pupnik | first tell monkey to forget . | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | _Monkey: also is <reply> | 01:55 |
| _Monkey | OK, sp3000. | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | also? | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | meh | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | ok | 01:55 |
| sp3000 | :) | 01:55 |
| pupnik | i have never opened the n770 manual :| | 01:56 |
| Fatal | s/n// | 01:56 |
| infobot | Fatal meant: you'll fid this happens (sadly) to most products, and nokia is not an exception | 01:56 |
| Fatal | uh, no | 01:57 |
| Fatal | :D | 01:57 |
| ekim|irc | I opened the quickstart guide a minute ago to figure out how to get teh freaking mmc card in there :) | 01:57 |
| ekim|irc | I hope garage is not down long :) | 01:57 |
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| dimensionerror | 'lo | 01:58 |
| sp3000 | I actually skimmed the N800 manual once | 01:58 |
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| sp3000 | there's some useful things you might not discover right off otherwise, actually | 01:59 |
| sp3000 | not that I recall what those would have been | 01:59 |
| ekim|irc | Does the built-in rss reader support podcasts ? | 01:59 |
| pupnik | those record mahjong times are scary | 01:59 |
| sp3000 | and not that that wouldn't be buried in all that ...manualness, but, skim ;) | 01:59 |
| pupnik | good advice | 01:59 |
| dimensionerror | I was wondering about the performance of the nes emulator for the tablet. has anyone here used it? | 02:00 |
| ekim|irc | No | 02:00 |
| ekim|irc | but I heard it sucked | 02:00 |
| ekim|irc | thats what I have a psps for | 02:00 |
| dimensionerror | oh | 02:00 |
| ekim|irc | *psp | 02:00 |
| sp3000 | like, say, how to make capital letters without tapping a shift button, it's not like clippy is going to pop up and tell you :P | 02:00 |
| ekim|irc | You should try it | 02:00 |
| ekim|irc | I dont know | 02:01 |
| ekim|irc | Hmm | 02:01 |
| ekim|irc | in full screen kb mode ? | 02:01 |
| dimensionerror | well, i'm trying to decide whether to buy a psp or an internet tablet | 02:01 |
| ekim|irc | Depends on what you want to do | 02:01 |
| ekim|irc | I happen to be lucky enough to own both | 02:01 |
| ekim|irc | The 770 is better suited for some things | 02:02 |
| ekim|irc | example... | 02:02 |
| ekim|irc | pspssh ... ssh ... not so good on the psp ... great on the 770 | 02:02 |
| ekim|irc | pspvnc ... not so great on the psp ... great on the 770 | 02:02 |
| ekim|irc | pspirc ... | 02:02 |
| ekim|irc | However... | 02:02 |
| ekim|irc | snes9x TLY (snes emulator) great on psp , not so great on the 770 | 02:02 |
| ekim|irc | there is an emator for every single video game system ever made for the psp | 02:03 |
| ekim|irc | except the most current omnes | 02:03 |
| dimensionerror | the one problem i have with the idea of getting a psp is all the business of downgrading | 02:03 |
| ekim|irc | Its no big deal | 02:04 |
| ekim|irc | Downgrading a psp is much easier then reflashing the 770 image | 02:04 |
| ekim|irc | it only takes about a minute or 2 | 02:04 |
| Fatal | and got to love they finally figured out how to make a debricker <3 | 02:04 |
| ekim|irc | Yup | 02:05 |
| ekim|irc | Now it doesnt matter | 02:05 |
| ekim|irc | I still don't understand what the batter has to do with unbrickign a psp | 02:05 |
| sparr | my online banking says balance $300 (thats my credit card limit), then over limit fee for balance $305... but my balance is never $305... called the bank, they say the $5 is finance charges that havent posted yet. but they are charging me over limit fees already anyways. wtf? time to stop doing business with that bank. | 02:05 |
| dimensionerror | can either the psp or the tablet support external keyboards? | 02:06 |
| Fatal | yes | 02:07 |
| ekim|irc | Yes | 02:07 |
| dimensionerror | so both? | 02:07 |
| sp3000 | heh | 02:07 |
| Fatal | aye | 02:07 |
| ekim|irc | yeah | 02:07 |
| ekim|irc | but the 770 is a littler easier to get it working with | 02:07 |
| ekim|irc | the psp one only works in a few select apps | 02:07 |
| ekim|irc | but all the ones you would expect it to... | 02:07 |
| ekim|irc | the email client/irc client/instant mesenger/ssh and telnet clients | 02:08 |
| ekim|irc | the nokia one works in every app | 02:08 |
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| ekim|irc | the problem is...that if you buy a keyboard to use with your psp ... it wont work on your 770(or 800) | 02:09 |
| ekim|irc | because the psp uses IR and the 770 uses bluetooth | 02:09 |
| erstazi | psp doesn' | 02:09 |
| erstazi | ugh | 02:09 |
| erstazi | psp doesn't have bluetooth? | 02:09 |
| ekim|irc | no | 02:09 |
| ekim|irc | Why would it ? | 02:09 |
| ekim|irc | the 770 has bluetooth for DUN | 02:09 |
| ekim|irc | the psp doesnt need it | 02:09 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: its so common place these days | 02:09 |
| ekim|irc | I know :) | 02:09 |
| dimensionerror | ok then. if I decide on the tablet, is it worth the extra money to get the 800, or should i stick with the 770? | 02:09 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: I use to work in retail when it came out, it made me sick to see it in everything | 02:10 |
| erstazi | dimensionerror: get the n800 if you want a camera and 2 sd cards | 02:10 |
| erstazi | but I am very satisfied with my 770 | 02:10 |
| erstazi | (: | 02:10 |
| ekim|irc | wait | 02:10 |
| ekim|irc | the 800 has 2 sd slots ? | 02:10 |
| erstazi | yes | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | wow | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | now thats a good idea | 02:11 |
| erstazi | so a total of 8 gbs I believe | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | woah | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | actually | 02:11 |
| dimensionerror | one thing i was wondering about the 770.. it says rs-mmc, some people have posted that you can use mmc. you can't use sd? | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | 16 | 02:11 |
| erstazi | yeah | 02:11 |
| erstazi | dimensionerror: correct | 02:11 |
| erstazi | mmc is smaller than sd | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | No sd on the 770 | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | Its not really a big deal.. | 02:11 |
| erstazi | s/mmc/rs-mmc/ | 02:11 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: rs-mmc is smaller than sd | 02:11 |
| ekim|irc | I dont beleive that rs-mmc has reached the sizes of sd though | 02:12 |
| erstazi | of course not | 02:12 |
| ekim|irc | I believe the biggest you can get is 4 gigs | 02:12 |
| erstazi | I think its being phased out | 02:12 |
| ekim|irc | me too | 02:12 |
| ekim|irc | I dont know of any other device that uses it | 02:12 |
| erstazi | but flash has went a very long distance | 02:12 |
| dimensionerror | but i can use regular mmc? | 02:12 |
| erstazi | dimensionerror: I would be fishy on jumping on a different type | 02:12 |
| ekim|irc | No | 02:12 |
| erstazi | I would make sure it is rs-mmc | 02:12 |
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| ekim|irc | no regular mmc | 02:12 |
| erstazi | and heck, its $20 for 2gb | 02:12 |
| erstazi | buy.com | 02:13 |
| pupnik | gotta go playtest my latest kode :P -- ttyl | 02:13 |
| erstazi | bye pupnik | 02:13 |
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| erstazi | ugh I hate when vm's hang | 02:13 |
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| erstazi | solved it | 02:16 |
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| saaib | mhh.. the repository.maemo.org site does not respond | 02:34 |
| saaib | Service Unavailable | 02:35 |
| saaib | The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later. | 02:35 |
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| amr | i entered my pw incorrectly too many times over ssh | 02:39 |
| amr | and i think ive completely blocked myself | 02:40 |
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| amr | :-( how do i fix it? | 02:40 |
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| bmidgley | I haven't used my 770 in a while... some nokia repositories went away? | 02:43 |
| sparr | http://www.handhelds.org/download/projects/xstroke/release-0.5/ | 02:43 |
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| sparr | anyone got that working on 770? | 02:43 |
| bmidgley | repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free is gone? | 02:44 |
| sp3000 | bmidgley: things are down | 02:44 |
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| bmidgley | oh | 02:44 |
| amr | anyone know how to unban myself on ssh? | 02:45 |
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| kikka | ou... | 02:45 |
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| derf | amr: OpenSSH won't ban you, unless you've installed some special PAM aut-blacklisting module. | 02:46 |
| amr | oh | 02:46 |
| amr | uhoh, why cant i connect to my tablet then | 02:46 |
| amr | i can vnc into myself, ssh into myself | 02:46 |
| amr | yet i cant ping/ssh/vnc into it from this machine | 02:46 |
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| ekim|irc | Do I have to do anything special I have to do to get root access on the 770 ? | 02:52 |
| sp3000 | it was quiet for too long and your ap decided to forget that it exists? | 02:52 |
| sp3000 | mine does that after 5 mins | 02:52 |
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| ekim|irc | :( | 02:53 |
| ekim|irc | How long do you think garage will be down ? | 02:53 |
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| ekim|irc | So I guess right now ... All I got is the built-in apps | 02:54 |
| amr | sp3000, no | 02:54 |
| ekim|irc | until garage is back up | 02:54 |
| amr | im using it right now | 02:54 |
| amr | ok i can now ping it | 02:55 |
| amr | now i can ssh in | 02:55 |
| amr | :| peculiar | 02:55 |
| sp3000 | touching the network with it does remind the ap of its existence | 02:55 |
| sp3000 | I just usually have an sshfs mount to it with BatchMode=yes which implies ServerAliveInterval=300 which takes care of that ;) | 02:57 |
| amr | hm? | 02:57 |
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| amr | when will things be back up | 03:15 |
| ekim|irc | :( | 03:19 |
| ekim|irc | I wish I knew | 03:19 |
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| amr | :( | 03:20 |
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| ekim|irc | :( | 03:27 |
| ekim|irc | I really want to boot from the mmc | 03:28 |
| ekim|irc | But Im lazy | 03:28 |
| ekim|irc | Im going to have to do it eventually | 03:28 |
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| DaniloCesar | Good night/evening/morning for ever body... | 03:56 |
| amr | nn | 03:57 |
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| herzi | garage.m.o down? | 04:00 |
| DaniloCesar | herzi, No, it is not.... | 04:03 |
| * herzi reboots the router then | 04:03 | |
| kikka | I don't see it too. | 04:05 |
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| herz1 | didn't help | 04:06 |
| kikka | <kikka> I don't see it too. | 04:06 |
| kikka | herz1: It's not only your problem. | 04:07 |
| herz1 | kikka: thanks, makes feel feel less dumb :-) | 04:07 |
| kikka | :-P | 04:07 |
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| DaniloCesar | herz1, Its not working for me too... Sorry... | 04:31 |
| herz1 | hehe | 04:32 |
| DaniloCesar | =) | 04:32 |
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| pupnik | erstazi: wb | 05:00 |
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| saaib | website is back again | 05:00 |
| herz1 | saaib: thanks | 05:01 |
| herz1 | (for the info) | 05:01 |
| erstazi | pupnik: thank you, received some brown outs from a powerful storm (: | 05:01 |
| pupnik | i spent some time on a park bench tonight and a cute little porcupine walked up, looked at me and then thought maybe it would be safer to run away | 05:02 |
| kikka__ | Does 2.0er Software works on 3.0? | 05:02 |
| erstazi | pupnik: heh | 05:04 |
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| erstazi | kikka__: not always | 05:04 |
| erstazi | kikka__: its best to aim for OS2007/maemo 3.x bora | 05:04 |
| kikka__ | Ok. | 05:04 |
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| erstazi | if you have an n800 or OS2007 or OS2007HE | 05:05 |
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| Luria_ | *chuckle* | 05:05 |
| Luria_ | http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=717072 | 05:05 |
| Luria_ | i wonder who else is in there... | 05:05 |
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| supdood | hey guys | 05:16 |
| supdood | i'm looking for a bluetooth rceiver for my 770 | 05:16 |
| herz1 | supdood: it already has a bluetooth receiver builtin | 05:17 |
| supdood | err | 05:18 |
| supdood | sorry | 05:18 |
| supdood | gps bluetooth | 05:18 |
| supdood | right now im looking at the i-blue 737 | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have the 737 | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a wonderful receiver | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Great battery life | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | usb charging | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | GREAT reception | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | fast start-up | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe look at the 757 if you want to drop a little more money | 05:19 |
| supdood | excellent | 05:33 |
| supdood | thanks | 05:33 |
| supdood | im trying to find a coupon code for semsons | 05:33 |
| supdood | hehhe | 05:33 |
| supdood | i've got 59 bucks on this damn visa gift card and i got it rung up for 60.52 | 05:33 |
| kikka__ | good night | 05:36 |
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| saaib | argh! removed scratchbox without umount | 05:47 |
| saaib | rebooting | 05:47 |
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| supdood | ok i've found 3 coupon codes for anyone who cares "seth005" "semsons" and "dealtaker" all which take off 5% | 05:53 |
| supdood | trying to find one that does just a bit more comeon gimme a break here | 05:53 |
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| herzi | re | 05:57 |
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| edt | what do the ssh v4 deb give that v3 does not have? | 06:22 |
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| supdood | wooohoo | 06:24 |
| supdood | i blue ordered | 06:24 |
| supdood | ! | 06:24 |
| supdood | welcome to the world of pdagps | 06:25 |
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| ekim|irc | Wow...administering the 770 over ssh is much better then using the virtual keyboard : | 06:51 |
| ekim|irc | :) | 06:51 |
| Luria_ | water is wet too | 06:52 |
| ekim|irc | Indeed it is | 06:55 |
| ekim|irc | I still cant get canola installed : | 06:55 |
| ekim|irc | :( | 06:55 |
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| k-s | ekim|irc: any clues? | 06:55 |
| ekim|irc | What does this mean | 06:55 |
| ekim|irc | ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory | 06:55 |
| k-s | ekim|irc: what have you tried? | 06:55 |
| ekim|irc | Well | 06:55 |
| ekim|irc | I did apt-get install canola right now over ssh | 06:56 |
| k-s | ekim|irc: and what's the result? | 06:56 |
| ekim|irc | it installs a bunch of stuff and when it gets to canola-app ... it takses forever | 06:56 |
| ekim|irc | I always stop it aftr a few minutes | 06:56 |
| ekim|irc | I mean ... how long should it take ? | 06:56 |
| k-s | ekim|irc: it should ask you where to install | 06:57 |
| k-s | ekim|irc: it's a graphical dialog | 06:57 |
| k-s | and other with the license | 06:57 |
| k-s | also graphical | 06:57 |
| ekim|irc | wait... | 06:57 |
| ekim|irc | :( | 06:57 |
| ekim|irc | so your telling me by doing this over ssh | 06:57 |
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| ekim|irc | that on my device a dialog popped up | 06:58 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh... | 06:58 |
| ekim|irc | I knew that | 06:58 |
| ekim|irc | hehe | 06:58 |
| k-s | ehehehe | 06:59 |
| ekim|irc | WOOT | 06:59 |
| ekim|irc | it works | 06:59 |
| ekim|irc | YEAH!!! | 06:59 |
| k-s | eeehhe | 06:59 |
| ekim|irc | and ssh ... it works | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | YEAH | 07:00 |
| k-s | ekim|irc: what were the problem? | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | I dont know | 07:00 |
| k-s | problems* | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | Wait | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | the problem was that the maemo repo was down | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | repository.maemo.org | 07:00 |
| _Monkey | repository.maemo.org is, like, ok | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | but now its up | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | :) | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | so WOOT | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | is mediastreamre an official nokia app ? | 07:00 |
| ekim|irc | Now all I gotta do is boot from the mmc | 07:01 |
| k-s | ekim|irc: yep, official | 07:02 |
| ekim|irc | do all of you guys boot from the card ? | 07:02 |
| ekim|irc | What are some of the apps you guys like ? | 07:05 |
| ekim|irc | Anyone ? | 07:06 |
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| ekim|irc | Hmm | 07:22 |
| ekim|irc | Whats up with this | 07:22 |
| ekim|irc | GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D | 07:22 |
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| ekim|irc | w00t | 07:27 |
| ekim|irc | I got pidgin working now too | 07:27 |
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| pupnik | i begin to understand why 99% of #maemo is silent | 07:52 |
| `0660 | they have nothing to contribute to the discussion? :) | 07:53 |
| pupnik | correct | 07:55 |
| whaq | Having too much fun with thi ablets? | 07:55 |
| whaq | uh, their tablets. | 07:56 |
| pupnik | the discussion is ... not about moving #maemo forward | 07:56 |
| pupnik | it's everything but | 07:56 |
| whaq | damn onscreen keyboard. | 07:56 |
| whaq | just lik on itt. some ppl are just so full of negativity. | 07:57 |
| pupnik | perhaps you don't understand why the nokia tablets are so important | 08:00 |
| pupnik | you see when you buy a microsoft operating system product as a consumer | 08:00 |
| pupnik | you are happy at first | 08:00 |
| pupnik | because microsoft seems to be sucking your cock | 08:00 |
| pupnik | but while you are distracted by the nice cock sucking that is going on | 08:01 |
| pupnik | microsoft is sticking a trojan up your ass | 08:01 |
| pupnik | which you don't notice at first | 08:01 |
| pupnik | btu then you are remote controlled - through your ass - by microsoft | 08:01 |
| pupnik | and then you have to pretend you like it | 08:01 |
| pupnik | to keep your pride | 08:01 |
| pupnik | this is the state of the world | 08:01 |
| pupnik | so thanks to nokia | 08:01 |
| pupnik | for freeing us from the ass-trojan | 08:02 |
| pupnik | i'm trying to imagine an avertising campaign based on "thanks nokia - for freeing us from the ass-trojan" | 08:03 |
| whaq | i'm going to my countryide villa for the eekend taa. | 08:04 |
| pupnik | ta | 08:04 |
| pupnik | don't forget the microsoft ass trojan | 08:04 |
| whaq | thats good campaign | 08:05 |
| pupnik | :) | 08:05 |
| whaq | yes, tht's ard 2 4get | 08:05 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:27 |
| soolek | Hi. | 11:32 |
| roope | Ello. | 11:33 |
| unique311 | morning | 11:35 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 11:35 |
| unique311 | feck u monkey | 11:35 |
| amr | guten morgen | 11:37 |
| amr | how normal is | 11:39 |
| amr | /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found | 11:39 |
| amr | when calling apt-get install | 11:39 |
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| inz | amr, perfectly normal | 11:46 |
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| pello | hi, do you know a ftp client for n800 ? | 11:48 |
| amr | jolly good | 11:49 |
| AD-N770 | kulve: ping | 11:50 |
| unique311 | pello, you check the garage? | 11:50 |
| pello | maemoftp is not for n800 | 11:52 |
| unique311 | usually 770 software works on the 800 | 11:54 |
| pello | ok unique311 i'll try to it | 11:55 |
| amr | :-/ this is odd | 11:56 |
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| pello | it works :) | 11:57 |
| unique311 | cool | 11:57 |
| pello | thx | 11:57 |
| unique311 | i was going to say he has the source also. | 11:57 |
| unique311 | available. | 11:58 |
| amr | i cant seem to connect to my tablet | 11:58 |
| amr | over ssh or vnc | 11:58 |
| unique311 | compiling it for the n800 would've been easy | 11:58 |
| amr | oh wait, now it works - this is odd | 11:58 |
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| amr | distribution names confuse me | 12:19 |
| amr | when i go to about this product in control panel it says version 3.0 | 12:20 |
| amr | thats bora isnt it? | 12:20 |
| amr | 3.0somethingsomething | 12:20 |
| unique311 | yea | 12:20 |
| amr | cool thanks | 12:20 |
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| amr | is there anyway to get maemo mapper to follow a route and download all the maps on there | 12:26 |
| amr | or is there anyway i can just say, ok download all of this area | 12:27 |
| melmoth | i think so for the 1st | 12:28 |
| melmoth | i m sure it can do for the second | 12:28 |
| melmoth | just go in the map menu and choose download area or something | 12:28 |
| amr | how do i do it? | 12:28 |
| melmoth | and be sure ot have selected the zooms level you are interested in | 12:28 |
| melmoth | you will have to play a bit with the poi and location contextual menu to reach point 1 then. | 12:29 |
| amr | ah ok | 12:29 |
| amr | cheers, ill give it another go | 12:29 |
| amr | oh duh theres an option | 12:32 |
| amr | 'download along route' | 12:32 |
| amr | with a radius of 4 tiles | 12:32 |
| melmoth | i havent tested this one. | 12:34 |
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| ZenGeist | hi all | 16:23 |
| ZenGeist | Where I can find perl-base, which needed for OPenSSH cliebt | 16:23 |
| ZenGeist | ? | 16:25 |
| sp3000 | ZenGeist: what are you doing and how is it failing? | 16:35 |
| ZenGeist | sp3000, I am trying to install OpenSSH Client from Application Manager on my N800 | 16:37 |
| ZenGeist | but I can not | 16:37 |
| ZenGeist | because perl-base needed | 16:37 |
| sp3000 | oh, it depends on it via adduser | 16:41 |
| sp3000 | curious | 16:41 |
| sp3000 | apt-cache policy perl-base tells me it's available in http://repository.maemo.org bora/free | 16:41 |
| ekim|irc | Where are the applications stored by default ? | 16:41 |
| sp3000 | which is the seame repo as openssh-client | 16:42 |
| sp3000 | so that should work | 16:42 |
| ekim|irc | Just do apt-get install ssh | 16:42 |
| sp3000 | ZenGeist: maybe update the appmanager catalog foo and try again | 16:43 |
| sp3000 | ekim|irc: that's an alternative, sure, but afaiui openssh-client isn't upposed to need redpill mode so it should be preferrable | 16:44 |
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| sp3000 | well, red pill or root | 16:44 |
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| ekim|irc | Huh | 16:47 |
| ekim|irc | whats redpill mode ? | 16:47 |
| _Monkey | redpill mode is, like, at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 16:47 |
| ekim|irc | hypervisor ? | 16:47 |
| ekim|irc | or is that blue pill | 16:47 |
| sp3000 | omg, it's the bot being /useful/ | 16:47 |
| ekim|irc | or does the blue pill cure the red pill | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | that's uncharacteristic :P | 16:48 |
| ekim|irc | Sounds like the matrix | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | yes, blue is the other choice in the dialog ;) | 16:48 |
| ekim|irc | But why would I wanna do that | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | it lets you break things directly from the app manager | 16:49 |
| ekim|irc | break things ? | 16:49 |
| sp3000 | like, use apt dangerously ;) | 16:49 |
| sp3000 | ZenGeist: did a refresh and retry help? | 16:50 |
| ZenGeist | so... | 16:51 |
| ZenGeist | I am in redpill | 16:51 |
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| sp3000 | ZenGeist: and, do you have repository.m.o bora free in your catalogs | 16:51 |
| sp3000 | presumably the mistral one could be different somehow | 16:52 |
| ZenGeist | sp3000, no I have not | 16:52 |
| sp3000 | using the install arrow from http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh-client should work out then I expect | 16:53 |
| sp3000 | (it's slightly less typing than manual catalogue config) | 16:54 |
| ZenGeist | sp3000, I ve trying that | 16:54 |
| * sp3000 tests | 16:54 | |
| sp3000 | do you have some other repository.maemo.org bora entry in the catalogs, that doesn't include free? | 16:57 |
| sp3000 | istr vaguely some issue with repository configs ending up with the same repo being listed more than once, with different components, and it not quite panning out, or something | 16:59 |
| ZenGeist | i ve no free I ve Maemo Extras and Maemo Hackers | 16:59 |
| sp3000 | what the | 17:01 |
| sp3000 | oh, extras is one that the openssh-client.install sets up | 17:01 |
| ZenGeist | yes | 17:02 |
| * sp3000 wonders if apt-cache policy is just being annoying and omitting that | 17:03 | |
| ZenGeist | ^) | 17:03 |
| ZenGeist | :) | 17:03 |
| ZenGeist | What repo should I add? | 17:03 |
| ZenGeist | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 17:04 |
| ZenGeist | ? | 17:04 |
| sp3000 | oh, yeah, apt-cache policy is being annoying | 17:05 |
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| sp3000 | ZenGeist: yeah, that's where perl-base is | 17:06 |
| sp3000 | and apt-cache policy output doesn't make any difference between http://repository.maemo.org/ and http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 17:07 |
| * sp3000 grumples | 17:07 | |
| ZenGeist | sp3000, add it by vi or add it by Application Man. ? | 17:07 |
| * sp3000 grumbles, even | 17:07 | |
| sp3000 | app man would work | 17:07 |
| sp3000 | or finding an .install file for something that lives in that repo ;) | 17:08 |
| ZenGeist | yes | 17:10 |
| ZenGeist | it works :) | 17:10 |
| sp3000 | should complain about openssh-client.install not specifying the other repository it depends on | 17:11 |
| * sp3000 isn't sure if the current .install spec handles that | 17:11 | |
| sp3000 | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install.html seems to deal with it at least | 17:11 |
| ZenGeist | yeah! :) I am in my notebook over SSH :) | 17:11 |
| ZenGeist | is where pptp for maemo> | 17:12 |
| ZenGeist | > | 17:12 |
| ZenGeist | , | 17:12 |
| ZenGeist | ? | 17:12 |
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| ZenGeist | can I install some apps on memory card? | 17:31 |
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| sully | Only if you boot from the card itself, I think | 17:38 |
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| Blacksitox | re | 17:43 |
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| zwnj | hi there | 18:15 |
| _Monkey | hola, zwnj | 18:15 |
| zwnj | is Juha Kallioinen here? | 18:15 |
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| zwnj | ping kaltsi | 18:18 |
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| ekim|irc | is there any way to access the mqain system memory (where the programs go) without modification ? | 18:23 |
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| melmoth | ekim|irc, what ? | 18:28 |
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| pupnik_ | yeah it's a read | 18:32 |
| pupnik_ | like you read memory but don't write it | 18:32 |
| pupnik_ | or re-membering | 18:33 |
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| amr | does mail get stored on the flash | 18:36 |
| amr | or mmc | 18:36 |
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| sparr | if i wanted to implement a better pointer calibration system than pointercal, how deep would i have to go? where would i start? | 18:50 |
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| ekim|irc | how can I access where the programs are installed by default without modification | 18:57 |
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| melmoth | ekim|irc, i do not understand your question, you may see where a package file are installed with 'dpkg -L nameofthepackage' | 18:59 |
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| ekim|irc | Ohh | 19:03 |
| ekim|irc | Thanks | 19:03 |
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| ekim|irc | How can I get a list of installed packages | 19:06 |
| sbz | dpkg -l | 19:07 |
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| Jaffa | ekim|irc: If you only care about "end-user" packages, you can use the Application Manager | 19:10 |
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| ekim|irc | I dont... | 19:12 |
| ekim|irc | because im 1337 like that | 19:12 |
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| trevarth1n | morning folks | 19:14 |
| bluehash | morning | 19:14 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 19:14 |
| trevarth1n | arg. wrong name. | 19:15 |
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| trevarthan | there we go | 19:15 |
| trevarthan | sparr: how's it goin? you do any more work on the volume control? | 19:16 |
| * trevarthan walks off to make some coffee | 19:17 | |
| sparr | got sidetracked by another tablet | 19:17 |
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| trevarthan | ah. got any code for others to play with yet? | 19:19 |
| trevarthan | I've been working on getting the scrollwidget to work with lots and lots of items in it. It's going pretty well so far. | 19:22 |
| sparr | no, just a pygame interface to draw a rotate wheel, mostly borrowed from elsewhere, nothing original | 19:22 |
| trevarthan | Ah. going the wheel approach, eh? very cool. | 19:22 |
| sparr | the best way for volume, imho | 19:22 |
| sparr | higher resolution than a slider | 19:22 |
| Jaffa | and seeking, too, probably. | 19:22 |
| sparr | Jaffa: blasphemy! | 19:23 |
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| Jaffa | Just use intertial scrolling for navigating lists of items | 19:23 |
| Jaffa | sparr: intra-song seeking, rather than inter-song seeking obviously ;-) | 19:23 |
| sparr | seriously though, id prefer a slider or wheel for seeking. but SOME peopel think inertial scrolling is gods gift to users :) | 19:23 |
| trevarthan | Personally, I would implement the wheel widget alongside the scroll widget. | 19:23 |
| trevarthan | sparr: No man, I don't. I just have limited time and the widget was there | 19:24 |
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| sparr | off topic: http://sparr.homeip.net/tablettest.png | 19:24 |
| trevarthan | anyway, we'll have a menu in Kagu soon. I figure we can allow users to switch on/off the wheel widget for just about everything from there. | 19:24 |
| sparr | tablet calibration test on my tablet pc | 19:24 |
| sp3000 | ahhh my eyes | 19:25 |
| sp3000 | :P | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | sparr: calibration of what? | 19:25 |
| sparr | used a straight edge with the stylus | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | ah, cool | 19:25 |
| sparr | to see how accurate the touch->pixel mapping is | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | Painted in what? Noticing the translucency | 19:25 |
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| sparr | gimp | 19:25 |
| sparr | or krita | 19:25 |
| sparr | i forget which | 19:25 |
| sparr | that is just a multiply filter on the layer/brush | 19:26 |
| trevarthan | did you use X11 forwarding to run that on the tablet? | 19:26 |
| sparr | that isnt the 770 | 19:26 |
| sparr | its my full-size tablet pc | 19:26 |
| trevarthan | ah. what model? | 19:27 |
| sparr | motion m1400 | 19:27 |
| trevarthan | wow. looks huge. is it a pain to carry around? | 19:27 |
| sparr | its 9.5x12x.825", not too huge | 19:28 |
| sparr | 235x290x21mm | 19:29 |
| trevarthan | I want some MediaTron paper from The Diamond Age. | 19:29 |
| sparr | i carry it like a laptop, except its easier to use in midair because i can hold it like a notebook and use the stylus with the other hand | 19:29 |
| sparr | when im sitting it goes in my lap | 19:29 |
| trevarthan | yeah, looks more versatile than a laptop | 19:30 |
| sparr | only pain is typing, of course | 19:30 |
| trevarthan | not a whole lot smaller though | 19:30 |
| sparr | handwriting recognition in linux isnt so nice, onscreen keyboard is the only real option | 19:31 |
| sparr | oddly, i cant find anything for the desktop with recognition as good as hildon, i might steal that :) | 19:31 |
| trevarthan | The Diamond Age is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age | 19:31 |
| trevarthan | hmmm... isn't the handwriting recognition in maemo proprietary? | 19:32 |
| trevarthan | if not, someone should really package it seperately. | 19:32 |
| sparr | well, thats a good question... its a compiled hildon plugin | 19:33 |
| sparr | theres no reason it wouldnt run on another ARM linux system | 19:33 |
| sparr | no ARM on my desktop, unfortunately | 19:33 |
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| trevarthan | well, I'm off to work on the scroll widget and get that much closer to making sparr happy by finding time to write a new slider widget. | 19:35 |
| trevarthan | I'm so giving. :P | 19:35 |
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| Jaffa | ...and on Tuesday I get my BT headphones :-) | 19:42 |
| trevarthan | sweet | 19:45 |
| trevarthan | what model? | 19:45 |
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| ekim|irc | How do I install a deb file | 19:53 |
| ekim|irc | gpodder doesnt provide a .install file | 19:54 |
| Jaffa | trevarthan: I've forgotten! Sony ones. | 19:55 |
| Jaffa | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000KFE29A/202-7905055-7590264 | 19:55 |
| trevarthan | ekim|irc: You should be able to download it, then open app manager manually, click the menu hardware button, and install from a file. | 19:56 |
| trevarthan | ekim|irc: or, you can get root and SSH and do `dpkg -i ...` | 19:57 |
| ekim|irc | Thanks | 19:57 |
| trevarthan | Jaffa: those look cool. Probably a good bit more comfy than my s9 phones too. | 19:58 |
| ekim|irc | I am already root+ssh | 19:58 |
| ekim|irc | also... | 19:58 |
| ekim|irc | whats up with this | 19:58 |
| ekim|irc | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D | 19:58 |
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| trevarthan | ekim|irc: looks like the package builder didn't have a GPG key. no big deal usually. | 19:58 |
| trevarthan | it keeps him from making a single click install though. | 19:59 |
| ekim|irc | indeed | 20:00 |
| ekim|irc | It screws me up | 20:00 |
| ekim|irc | How do I fix it... | 20:00 |
| ekim|irc | or can I | 20:00 |
| trevarthan | are you making the package? | 20:00 |
| trevarthan | or just installing it? | 20:01 |
| ekim|irc | installing | 20:01 |
| ekim|irc | Not much of a coder :0 | 20:01 |
| trevarthan | don't worry about it then. it shouldn't keep you from installing with `dpkg -i` | 20:01 |
| ekim|irc | I hate c++ | 20:01 |
| trevarthan | me too. :) I like python. no memory management to deal with. | 20:01 |
| ekim|irc | Yeah...but its more convenient to use the gui installer | 20:01 |
| ekim|irc | I love python :) | 20:01 |
| trevarthan | ekim|irc: right, so try installing from a file like I suggested. You can still use the app manager that way, it's just more than one click. | 20:02 |
| trevarthan | It's App Manager -> Menu Hardware Button -> Applications -> Install from file... on my n800. | 20:04 |
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| ekim|irc | Can someone walk me trhough booting from the mmc card | 20:29 |
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| pupnik | mmc? | 20:32 |
| _Monkey | somebody said mmc was smaller than sd | 20:32 |
| pupnik | multiboot? | 20:33 |
| _Monkey | multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card | 20:33 |
| pupnik | hmm there's another guide somewhere | 20:33 |
| * sp3000 disagrees with the shouting in those titles | 20:33 | |
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| ekim|irc | Ahh | 20:38 |
| ekim|irc | This guide is really confusing | 20:39 |
| ekim|irc | is there a video on how to do it | 20:39 |
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| Blacksitox | re | 21:00 |
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| trevarthan | I just had the urge to shout "There's a video on how to do your mom!". Seriously. There's something wrong with my brain. | 21:19 |
| trevarthan | I'm this guy: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070819.html | 21:20 |
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| Luria_ | dude's mom is jenna jameson? | 21:48 |
| Luria_ | cause that would make sense. | 21:48 |
| Luria_ | trevarthan, nice dilbert link | 21:49 |
| trevarthan | thank you, thank you | 21:54 |
| sully | Damn it. I want to get iodined working on my Blackdog. | 21:54 |
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| qgil | hi, any thoughts about http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/08/25/impressed-by-3rd-party-iphone-apps/ ? | 21:59 |
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| erstazi | qgil: reading | 22:02 |
| erstazi | qgil: does orphans on the wiki still need massaging? | 22:02 |
| qgil | we need to de-orphan all pages, yes - I have just opened the 10 on the top of the list and will deal with them now | 22:03 |
| erstazi | qgil: I will attack the orphans now, all I am doing is just relaxing so I can help out more | 22:03 |
| qgil | erstazi: great, thanks, you can start by the queue or HowToNFS 06 | 22:04 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:04 |
| trevarthan | qgil: iphone still isn't open source. I like to use open source stuff. I bought an ipod, and I've replaced it with my n800 to first chance I got (i.e. Kagu). | 22:10 |
| trevarthan | I don't think I'm the norm. But that's probably how my brain will always work. I'll take open source over closed source (even when closed source is higher quality) any day. | 22:10 |
| erstazi | Well I agree somewhat, trevarthan | 22:11 |
| erstazi | I have found many *great* open source applications and platforms | 22:11 |
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| qgil | trevarthan: it would be good to satisfy developers with your open source preferences... as well as all the rest - be just a great platform based on open source components | 22:12 |
| erstazi | but my point is, sometimes proprietary is not bad. but do realize, I am releasing a web application as AGPLv3 when its released | 22:13 |
| qgil | erstazi: what I'm doing is open wiki main page or WikiReorg every time I have to add a link to a page and then save immediately to avoid collision with you (or whoever wants to help) ;) | 22:14 |
| erstazi | qgil: that works... I noticed the URI has changed | 22:15 |
| qgil | erstazi: what about Gustavo's point about a platform (like iphone's) without the typical elements of a platform i.e. sdk, crosscompilation, documentation, etc | 22:15 |
| qgil | well, the iphone has some of this but not with an usual approach | 22:15 |
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| qgil | erstazi: what URI? | 22:15 |
| erstazi | qgil: and I agree, the iphone will only leave a possible developer having to hack the iphone to add an app | 22:15 |
| erstazi | qgil: the orphans | 22:16 |
| Luria_ | trevarthan, rockbox? | 22:16 |
| Jaffa | qgil: I posted an insightful response (IMHO), but it's not showing up | 22:17 |
| erstazi | qgil: should I be working from http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki? | 22:18 |
| erstazi | or continue working from just the wiki? | 22:18 |
| qgil | erstazi: the current wiki, we are not touching anymore test.maemo.org | 22:18 |
| erstazi | qgil: ok, just verifying (I know to know know for sure (: ) | 22:18 |
| qgil | Jaffa: looking forward to it :) | 22:18 |
| Jaffa | qgil: basically it boiled down to three factors as I see it: 1) Apple have, since the iMac and OS X, been viewed (rightly on the whole) as people spending a lot of time and attention to detail on well-designed, must-have, technochic devices. These became consumer devices with the iPod and put Apple on the map. As a result of this, there are more Apple fans and a more integrated marketing strategy (including news coverage). Because of this, I'd wager on at le | 22:19 |
| Jaffa | more iPhones having been sold already than any Maemo device. | 22:19 |
| erstazi | qgil: I noticed a mediawiki type of linking | 22:20 |
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| erstazi | qgil: which caused *a lot* of orphaned links, not purposely... so I corrected them... | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | 2) The "because it's designed to be unhackable" factor that Gustavo touches on. | 22:20 |
| erstazi | qgil: but the linkage would be like: you are on article "foo" and you want to go to foo/bar so you do this [/bar] *but* | 22:20 |
| qgil | erstazi: i see | 22:21 |
| erstazi | qgil: if midgard CMS doesn't work that way, you have to do a separate article and thats how *all* of the articles are created... so I just removed the / out and removed a lot of orphans | 22:21 |
| Jaffa | 3) These two alone aren't enough to get the *polished* apps: the reason they're there is because the built-in ones set the bar so high; everything's well integrated and thought out (I bet every single control and the position of it had a whole lot of meetings to decide on it). No IT OS release *seems* to have had that level of end-to-end UxD. | 22:21 |
| erstazi | qgil: I will add that to the wiki how to edit article sometime | 22:21 |
| * Jaffa goes to watch a movie. BBL. | 22:22 | |
| qgil | Jaffa: indeed insightful | 22:22 |
| qgil | Jaffa: I agree with the three points | 22:23 |
| Jaffa | Gustavo's post is very cool and insightful itself, though. Very good read :-) | 22:23 |
| qgil | Jaffa: I also think we will get a lot more apps when Nokia puts the tablets higher in the marketing channels | 22:23 |
| ekim|irc | OMG | 22:23 |
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| ekim|irc | please help | 22:23 |
| keesj_ | I think we must not forget that devices have purposes. everybody like the n800 when I show them . they love the screen/ thumb input method and I can really show them cool / usefull apps. but that's it, they lose atention when they hear there is not grps or gps | 22:23 |
| ekim|irc | I was following this guide | 22:23 |
| ekim|irc | http://examplified.net/guide/Nokia_770/Booting_from_MMC/ | 22:23 |
| ekim|irc | and I got the thr first part of step 12 | 22:24 |
| keesj_ | not = no | 22:24 |
| qgil | Jaffa: yeah, I wish many people "fave" it at http://maemo.org/news so it stays on the top several days :) | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | I did apt-get isntal ltar | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | then it said it was gonna remove a bunch of stuff | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | so I said ok | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | then it rebooted | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | and now its stuck in an infinite reboot loop | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | it geets half way and reboots | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | HELP! | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | PLEASE HELP ME | 22:24 |
| ekim|irc | What do I do | 22:25 |
| ekim|irc | :( | 22:25 |
| keesj_ | remove the battery? | 22:25 |
| keesj_ | then think slowly ! | 22:25 |
| ekim|irc | That wont help me get it booted | 22:25 |
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| ekim|irc | do I need to reflash it | 22:25 |
| ekim|irc | What whent wrong ? | 22:25 |
| ekim|irc | Please tell me | 22:26 |
| keesj_ | I guess you did not use a prefix to install tar ? in the the apt-get install tar and not busybox is gone? | 22:26 |
| ekim|irc | Huh | 22:26 |
| qgil | keesj_: is gps so high in people's expectations? | 22:26 |
| ekim|irc | that english made no sense | 22:26 |
| sully | Instead of installing tar from apt-get, you can download it | 22:26 |
| ekim|irc | yeah but how do I fix it NOW | 22:27 |
| erstazi | qgil: many people prefer GPS | 22:27 |
| ekim|irc | tell me please | 22:27 |
| sully | Well, first try taking out the MMC card with it turned off | 22:27 |
| ekim|irc | I just got this device yesterday | 22:27 |
| zuh | ekim|irc: I'm afraid it's trough flashing the rootfs | 22:27 |
| ekim|irc | Its what ? | 22:27 |
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| sully | holy bad English all over. | 22:27 |
| sully | Try booting it with the MMC card taken out first, ekim|irc | 22:27 |
| ekim|irc | I did | 22:27 |
| ekim|irc | it says "Booting from flash" | 22:27 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: ok, you just got the nokia yesterday, lets step back | 22:27 |
| ekim|irc | it gets half way and reboots | 22:28 |
| sully | okay, then you will need to reflash it completely | 22:28 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: remove the battery, and then insert the battery again | 22:28 |
| ekim|irc | Ok | 22:28 |
| ekim|irc | done | 22:28 |
| erstazi | and power up | 22:28 |
| erstazi | if it does it again, its time to flash it with OS2006 or OS2007 depending on the device | 22:29 |
| ekim|irc | should it work this time ? | 22:29 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: in reality, nothing ever works heh | 22:29 |
| sully | Flash it with 2006 | 22:29 |
| ekim|irc | Nop | 22:29 |
| sully | What MMC card did you buy? | 22:29 |
| ekim|irc | eInfinite reboot cycle | 22:29 |
| ekim|irc | kingston 1 gb | 22:29 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: do you have a 770 or n800? | 22:29 |
| ekim|irc | 770 | 22:29 |
| ekim|irc | I gotta flash it huh | 22:29 |
| sully | ok, you can definitely use the kernel speed hack | 22:29 |
| sully | yeah | 22:29 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: do you have Linux or Windows or Mac? | 22:30 |
| ekim|irc | No big deal I guess... | 22:30 |
| keesj_ | qgil: not by default. but it would give an idea of what to do with the device. for me it's not clear what I should to with the device(multi-media seams the most probable right?). | 22:30 |
| ekim|irc | Its just a pain to do all those steps over again | 22:30 |
| ekim|irc | can you cpmpletely brick a 770 ? | 22:30 |
| sully | It's pretty fast the second time around, ekim|irc | 22:30 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: I would hold off from dual booting at this moment | 22:30 |
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| ekim|irc | why is that | 22:30 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: do you understand/know linux? | 22:30 |
| ekim|irc | Yeah | 22:30 |
| erstazi | s/linux/*nix/ | 22:30 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: ekim|irc: do you understand/know *nix? | 22:30 |
| sully | When you need GNU tar next time, get this file (already compiled): http://degenerates.org/maemo/tar | 22:30 |
| erstazi | yeah, get the GNU tar, that might help | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | Ohh | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | is that a binary | 22:31 |
| sully | yes | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | I can just run it | 22:31 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: do you have linux at your disposal? | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | no | 22:31 |
| sully | you can just run it | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | not at the moment | 22:31 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: windows? mac? | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | windoze | 22:31 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: ok you can go to the nokia website and download the flasher | 22:31 |
| qgil | keesj_: yeah, know what you mean | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | I alrweady downloaded it | 22:31 |
| ekim|irc | yesterday | 22:31 |
| sully | Go ahead and flash the device, you'll be back and up in no time | 22:32 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:32 |
| r2d2rogers | Good afternoon. | 22:32 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: its actually pretty quick to flash | 22:32 |
| erstazi | less than 10 or 20 minutes | 22:32 |
| erstazi | just grab a cup of coffee or beer or some Jack Daniels... or all 3 (: | 22:32 |
| keesj_ | idem one could say that it lacks software fo the the "real busyness" people. | 22:32 |
| r2d2rogers | I've got a 770 with a reboot loop myself, but it's in the MMC install | 22:32 |
| r2d2rogers | is there any way to get a boot log to look at? | 22:33 |
| erstazi | keesj_: it depends on what kind of software you are talking about for business people, please name some | 22:33 |
| ekim|irc | so all you gotta do is remove the card and everything works | 22:33 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 22:33 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: did that happen to you? | 22:33 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: can you remove the card and it works? | 22:33 |
| ekim|irc | no | 22:33 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:33 |
| r2d2rogers | I can even boot the internal flash and mount the MMC install on /opt | 22:33 |
| erstazi | flash it | 22:33 |
| _Monkey | Firmware and associated utilities are available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com | 22:33 |
| r2d2rogers | and get my files | 22:33 |
| ekim|irc | I never got the the part wheere I copy stuff to the card | 22:33 |
| r2d2rogers | But I'd rather figure out what is wrong so I can not do it in the future | 22:34 |
| ekim|irc | I really wish I could do this entire thing over ssh | 22:34 |
| ekim|irc | the home key is the key wit hthe picture of the little house right | 22:34 |
| * r2d2rogers nods | 22:34 | |
| erstazi | r2d2rogers: there are a few that are experienced in that, pupnik around? | 22:34 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah a bluetooth keyboard would help there too | 22:34 |
| erstazi | pupnik dual-boots | 22:34 |
| sully | I do the entire thing over SSH actually | 22:34 |
| r2d2rogers | he wasn't able to point out much ther other day | 22:34 |
| pupnik | i just followed the howto | 22:34 |
| erstazi | I prefer ssh | 22:35 |
| ekim|irc | I like ssh | 22:35 |
| ekim|irc | what do you use ... dropbear or openssh | 22:35 |
| ekim|irc | I use dropbear because its so simple | 22:35 |
| r2d2rogers | hey pupnik,how ya doing? | 22:35 |
| sully | dropbear | 22:35 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html | 22:35 |
| erstazi | pupnik: we have two that are having infinite loop problems | 22:35 |
| keesj_ | erstazi: guess I need to say something like "exchange-push" emails support outlook sync. really the kind of stuff I really dislike | 22:35 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: openssh is my favorite | 22:35 |
| pupnik | :( | 22:35 |
| r2d2rogers | I killed the watch dog and got rid of the infinite boot, | 22:35 |
| erstazi | keesj_: from my side, claws does that | 22:35 |
| r2d2rogers | but then it never changes from the boot screen with the full blue bar at the bottom | 22:35 |
| ekim|irc | ok | 22:35 |
| ekim|irc | so lets go down the list | 22:36 |
| r2d2rogers | <G> | 22:36 |
| ekim|irc | Whats steps I have to repeat | 22:36 |
| ekim|irc | i think the only package I really need to reinstall is xterm right ? | 22:36 |
| ekim|irc | then I need to add repository.maemo.org to the sources list | 22:36 |
| erstazi | r2d2rogers: can you access /boot? | 22:36 |
| ekim|irc | next time I will use this tar | 22:36 |
| ekim|irc | http://degenerates.org/maemo/tar | 22:36 |
| r2d2rogers | yup | 22:36 |
| r2d2rogers | one sec | 22:36 |
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| r2d2rogers | booting the 770 to flash | 22:36 |
| ekim|irc | but | 22:36 |
| erstazi | _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about xterm | 22:36 |
| ekim|irc | waht about it ? | 22:37 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: thats the best one to grab | 22:37 |
| erstazi | and try openssh | 22:37 |
| ekim|irc | there is more then one xterm | 22:37 |
| erstazi | _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about openssh | 22:37 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: yes, the one I suggested is much more functional | 22:37 |
| erstazi | I would follow the how-to through ssh definitely | 22:38 |
| r2d2rogers | Hmm I wonder if I could set the MMC install to connect to my wireless automatically? | 22:38 |
| r2d2rogers | it's saved in there | 22:38 |
| r2d2rogers | ok | 22:38 |
| r2d2rogers | for internal flash booted | 22:38 |
| r2d2rogers | let me mount the MMC install | 22:38 |
| sully | r2d2rogers, what MMC card do you have? | 22:39 |
| erstazi | I had a mmc become corrupt yesterday | 22:39 |
| r2d2rogers | kingston2gig | 22:39 |
| erstazi | I had to format it again | 22:39 |
| sully | nice | 22:39 |
| erstazi | r2d2rogers: you have a 770 as well? | 22:39 |
| r2d2rogers | erstazi, yessir | 22:39 |
| erstazi | great deal they have those as! I am glad I picked mine up at $130 and free shipping | 22:39 |
| r2d2rogers | I wish | 22:39 |
| r2d2rogers | but I can say my work paid for it for me <G> | 22:39 |
| erstazi | r2d2rogers: same here actually (: | 22:40 |
| r2d2rogers | my boss just bought the N800 | 22:40 |
| erstazi | one of the companies I am contracted to "paid" for it | 22:40 |
| r2d2rogers | so I'll be playing with Flash 9 on the 770 at some point | 22:40 |
| erstazi | an added bonus | 22:40 |
| r2d2rogers | Nice | 22:40 |
| ekim|irc | has anyone gotten any other window manager to work on this beside windowmaker | 22:40 |
| erstazi | r2d2rogers: I would like to see a working gnash for OS2006, I know there is one but I haven't had the time to mess with it | 22:40 |
| bluehash | is there a way to access the serial port behind the N800 | 22:41 |
| ekim|irc | It would be really cool to see fluxbox on this | 22:41 |
| sully | Guys, I'm trying to install iodine from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/iodine - PowerPC version. I type "apt-get install iodine" and get back "Package iodine has no installation candidate." | 22:41 |
| ekim|irc | Hmm | 22:41 |
| ekim|irc | why did they say it takes 2- minutes to update ? | 22:41 |
| ekim|irc | 20 | 22:41 |
| ekim|irc | It took me 3 | 22:41 |
| keesj_ | if you want something really cool -> http://www.rasterman.com/ | 22:42 |
| r2d2rogers | so you'd be plesantly surprised ?<G> | 22:42 |
| ekim|irc | Uhh... | 22:42 |
| ekim|irc | The 770 has an arm processor | 22:42 |
| ekim|irc | doesn't the 800 too ? | 22:42 |
| r2d2rogers | hmm my ssh to the 770 isn't workinf.. | 22:42 |
| zuh | bluehash: you'll need to build a cable for it (the wiring is explained in some web page IIRC), but after that it should be like any other serial console | 22:42 |
| bluehash | can I communicate with it | 22:43 |
| timely | heads up: bugs.maemo.org reorg is starting *now* it will take me about 8 hours (estimate) | 22:43 |
| timely | as i'm also going to a party :) | 22:43 |
| r2d2rogers | hash mismatch | 22:43 |
| r2d2rogers | key_verify failed for server_host_key | 22:43 |
| ekim|irc | Thats really weird | 22:43 |
| qgil | timely: hey man | 22:43 |
| ekim|irc | When I clicked select connection my 770 rebooted | 22:43 |
| ekim|irc | whats up with that ? | 22:43 |
| r2d2rogers | for OpenSSH how do you recreate the RSA stuff? | 22:44 |
| bluehash | zuh : can I communicate with the port | 22:44 |
| r2d2rogers | BRB | 22:44 |
| qgil | erstazi: cleeaned my 10 orphan pages of the day, there are just 51 missing | 22:44 |
| qgil | erstazi: ... alright, I'll go for 10 more and then I 'll go for the stuff I should be really doing :) | 22:44 |
| erstazi | qgil: don'tworry I will do your 10 plus 10 more | 22:44 |
| erstazi | qgil: I had to stop for a second, kids causing my wife an headache | 22:45 |
| qgil | no, I'll do my extra 10 :) | 22:45 |
| qgil | erstazi: my kids gave us a headache the whole day but now seem to be deeply sleeping | 22:45 |
| r2d2rogers | BTK | 22:46 |
| qgil | If someone wants to de-orphan http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ please start at Known Issues since I'm pickeng the previous in the list | 22:47 |
| r2d2rogers | reinstalling SSH | 22:47 |
| erstazi | qgil: I wish I was in your time zone ugh | 22:47 |
| erstazi | I am starting at the bottom of the list | 22:47 |
| erstazi | and working my way on up | 22:47 |
| timely | hi qgil | 22:48 |
| zuh | bluehash: I guess it should act like a normal serial port once you get it connected... | 22:48 |
| erstazi | qgil: is there still a PagesToDelete? | 22:49 |
| ekim|irc | Where do I get gainroot from again ? | 22:50 |
| ekim|irc | I forget | 22:50 |
| erstazi | qgil: nevermind found it | 22:50 |
| erstazi | _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about becomeroot | 22:50 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: becomeroot does sudo gainroot | 22:50 |
| bluehash | Zuh : how come it doesnt show up in /dev/ttyS0 | 22:50 |
| zuh | bluehash: "show up"? | 22:52 |
| bluehash | zuh : if there is a serial port on the N800, shouldnt there be a /dev/ttyS0 to access it | 22:53 |
| zuh | I have one, but that doesn't really prove it (since the nodes could be hand-created too, without any hw behind it...) | 22:54 |
| zuh | This is the developer rootfs though | 22:54 |
| erstazi | qgil: do you know the people at midgard by chance? | 22:56 |
| bluehash | zuh : do you recoomend Bluetooth serial?/Has anyone tried it yet | 22:56 |
| qgil | erstazi: oh yes | 22:56 |
| timely | hrm, flash or flash 7 / flash 9 ? | 22:56 |
| erstazi | qgil: how is Nokia involved with them? by contract? | 22:56 |
| qgil | erstazi: yes | 22:56 |
| erstazi | ah | 22:57 |
| erstazi | their CMS is not accessible | 22:57 |
| qgil | with Nemein in Espoo - Henri Bergius & co | 22:57 |
| erstazi | I am a web developer that follows the WAI guidelines very strictly | 22:57 |
| erstazi | I will have to contact them about the issues I find. | 22:58 |
| qgil | erstazi: you have seen Henri Bergius in the maemo lists | 22:59 |
| erstazi | ah, his company did this? | 22:59 |
| qgil | erstazi: is a problem this floating bar? | 22:59 |
| qgil | erstazi: well, I don't know if they are the original authors but they are heavily involved since ages and they know it all | 23:00 |
| erstazi | qgil: partially, also an other non-accessible issue: the URL's are not just /community/wiki/articlename/ but http://maemo.org/community/wiki/articlename/ | 23:00 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, erstazi. | 23:00 |
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| erstazi | qgil: overall, it seems they have a lot of code to do a simple thing... thats another caveat | 23:01 |
| erstazi | gzip compression could be used on css, js, (x)html, etc etc | 23:01 |
| erstazi | or deflate because you guys are using apache 2.x | 23:01 |
| qgil | erstazi: I can only say that the decision of using Midgard was taken before I joined Nokia - and of course I accepted it | 23:02 |
| erstazi | qgil: yeah, thats ok, midgard is not bad | 23:02 |
| erstazi | it just needs tweaking | 23:02 |
| qgil | erstazi: coincidentally, I had to choose months before several CMSs for www.gnome.org - Midgard was in the final and for several reasons we decided to go for Plone | 23:03 |
| erstazi | we can bypass the idea that less code is needed and just compress things and have the server side strip newlines and tabs/spaces out | 23:03 |
| qgil | yes, Midgard has some virtues (having core developers 20 minutes from your office is to me one of the strongest) | 23:03 |
| erstazi | I don't think midgard itself is lacking | 23:03 |
| erstazi | just it could use some tweaking | 23:04 |
| qgil | erstazi: any suggestions are welcome | 23:04 |
| qgil | also about the site itself | 23:04 |
| timely | qgil: one thing | 23:04 |
| erstazi | qgil: nothing I do is "revolutionary" but all my ideas for my company is being released as AGPL when the license becomes to public | 23:04 |
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| timely | the nokia naming of versions *sucks* from a sorting perspective | 23:04 |
| timely | 0.2005, 0.2006, 1.2005, 1.2006 | 23:04 |
| timely | got a suggested alternate? | 23:04 |
| timely | (versions don't have sort keys) | 23:05 |
| qgil | timely: use the maemo correspondents | 23:05 |
| timely | the names? | 23:05 |
| timely | i don't even know them! | 23:05 |
| qgil | no, versions | 23:05 |
| erstazi | like OS2006 is Maemo 2.2 | 23:05 |
| timely | oh, 1.1 and friends? | 23:05 |
| timely | oh ok, that's very doable | 23:05 |
| erstazi | or OS2006 is Maemo 3.x | 23:05 |
| erstazi | oops | 23:05 |
| * timely just makes {1,2,3,4}.{0,1,2,3} | 23:05 | |
| qgil | timely: but wait, doable but... will users know that? | 23:05 |
| erstazi | s/OS2006 is Maemo 3/OS2007 is Maemo 3/ | 23:06 |
| timely | no :) | 23:06 |
| erstazi | qgil: good point | 23:06 |
| timely | qgil: we can make guided help there | 23:06 |
| timely | and probably if we want to hack search's ui we could do that too | 23:06 |
| erstazi | timely: are you programming something? | 23:06 |
| timely | the problem is that if i do 2005-1 will people understand that's 1.2005? | 23:06 |
| timely | erstazi: i'm reprogramming the bugzilla db | 23:06 |
| erstazi | ah | 23:06 |
| qgil | timely: let me think | 23:06 |
| timely | generally this is not programming | 23:07 |
| timely | qgil: ok | 23:07 |
| erstazi | timely: if its SQL, its programming (: | 23:07 |
| timely | it isn't | 23:07 |
| timely | i'm using a ui | 23:07 |
| erstazi | ok | 23:07 |
| erstazi | ah | 23:07 |
| timely | actually, i'm going to a party while qgil thinks | 23:07 |
| erstazi | have fun timely | 23:07 |
| timely | but i'm taking an n800 w/ admin credentials and timelE61i will look in from there | 23:07 |
| erstazi | I think doing this would work perfectly: OS2006/Maemo 2.2 | 23:08 |
| qgil | timely: before IT OS in practice we have IT OS 2006 and Hacker editions (there is people that has filed bugs about it there) - should we really consider IT OS 2006 variants and IT OS 2005? | 23:08 |
| timely | well, it hardly matters | 23:08 |
| timely | someday there will be something != 2007 | 23:08 |
| timely | you need a solution that works for when nokia makes my life painful | 23:09 |
| timely | now think while i walk :) | 23:09 |
| erstazi | qgil: can you send a comment up for me? | 23:09 |
| erstazi | qgil: this is what I want inplace of a t-shirt | 23:09 |
| amr | how can i change where maemo mapper saves the maps | 23:09 |
| amr | nm | 23:10 |
| erstazi | amr: you found it? | 23:10 |
| r2d2rogers | look in the menu ? | 23:10 |
| amr | yeah under manage repositories | 23:10 |
| r2d2rogers | cool | 23:10 |
| amr | thanks r2d2 | 23:10 |
| qgil | timely: IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to lst stable when submitting a bug | 23:10 |
| amr | im so glad you are here | 23:10 |
| qgil | the for the maemo specific components we will use the maemo numbering | 23:10 |
| zuh | bluehash: I don't really have experience with such stuff with N800, you'll have to google for it (and it's bed time for me) | 23:10 |
| r2d2rogers | figured I could try to help while I fix my problem | 23:10 |
| qgil | erstazi: a comment? | 23:11 |
| r2d2rogers | sorry I didn't finish typing out out beofre you found it | 23:11 |
| erstazi | qgil: yes,... "thank you for maemo" | 23:11 |
| erstazi | qgil: really, this is why I bought the Nokia 770 and will be buying the n800 sometime. | 23:11 |
| erstazi | qgil: and there is a business model with Open Source, I found out that its true after 10 years... I was afraid of releasing anything as Open Source. | 23:12 |
| DaniloCesar | Hi guys.. How can I tunneling my connection over ssh? There is a package or something to do that? | 23:13 |
| erstazi | DaniloCesar: commandline | 23:13 |
| erstazi | DaniloCesar: just read up on ssh tunneling | 23:13 |
| sully | damn it, so close to getting iodined up | 23:13 |
| erstazi | I do it all the time | 23:13 |
| r2d2rogers | ssh -D <port number> | 23:13 |
| r2d2rogers | gets you a sock poxy at locahost:,portnumber> | 23:14 |
| DaniloCesar | In my Desktop I use ssh -D 5151 to build the tunnel and tsocks to work with applications. But tsocks doesn't work with N800 | 23:14 |
| DaniloCesar | Ok... But I need to do this every time that I want to use (or not) the tunnel? | 23:15 |
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| erstazi | DaniloCesar: set up a shell script | 23:15 |
| qgil | mmmm erstazi, I'm a bit confused :) | 23:15 |
| erstazi | qgil: how so? | 23:15 |
| qgil | erstazi: I'm sorry but I'll send you the maemo shirt | 23:15 |
| erstazi | qgil: I already got my gratification, I found articles that I want to use. | 23:16 |
| qgil | erstazi: then... how it comes that you don't have an N800 - you are one the wiser guys in the maemo community | 23:16 |
| erstazi | qgil: I bought my 770 about 2 months ago, I prefer to mess with the stablest first (: | 23:17 |
| erstazi | not that OS2007 is not stable, just like stabler (: | 23:17 |
| r2d2rogers | erstazi: I finally fixed my ssh, and I can get to either /boot folder | 23:17 |
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| erstazi | qgil: mainly don't want to invest $200 more in something I am going to break (: | 23:17 |
| sparr | i got the fingerprint sensor "working" on my new tablet. no apps to use it, but the driver and proof-of-concept apps work | 23:18 |
| erstazi | r2d2rogers: congrads | 23:18 |
| amr | an n800 is only $200? | 23:18 |
| erstazi | amr: no | 23:18 |
| sully | where? | 23:18 |
| sparr | i wish | 23:18 |
| sully | oh | 23:18 |
| amr | yeah i was going to say, id have bought 3 | 23:18 |
| erstazi | amr: $200 more than a 770, n800 is only $330 | 23:18 |
| sparr | id have bought a hundred | 23:18 |
| r2d2rogers | erstazi: thanks, I don't find anything in them currently though | 23:18 |
| amr | oh thats not bad | 23:18 |
| sparr | ebay :) | 23:18 |
| erstazi | sparr: not even ebay | 23:18 |
| sparr | i would have sold them on ebay if i got them for $200 elsewhere | 23:19 |
| erstazi | those nuts on there even bid higher than what buy.com was selling the 770 for! | 23:19 |
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| erstazi | I sell on ebay myself *sometimes* | 23:19 |
| sparr | if i sell my 770 it will be on ebay, and i will sell it for more than retail | 23:19 |
| sparr | pre-loaded with decent software is worth $$ to people too stupid to set things up | 23:19 |
| erstazi | sparr: correction... people will be willing to pay more than for retail! | 23:19 |
| qgil | sparr: if you seel it with your hacks inside probably the increased price is worth ;) | 23:20 |
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| erstazi | sparr: for a brand new 770, I saw people pay $50 more than buy.com | 23:20 |
| timelE61i | almost there, ... | 23:20 |
| sparr | i believe it | 23:20 |
| erstazi | wb timelE61i | 23:20 |
| erstazi | I am not promoting buy.com but they gave me a great deal when everyone else was asking $150 for a 770 | 23:20 |
| erstazi | and now I got a few companies looking at buying 770's for their employees | 23:21 |
| kikka | Does buy.com ship to germany? | 23:21 |
| sully | My company bought 4 on my recommendation, actually | 23:21 |
| timelE61i | where's klausk boulevardi 5? | 23:21 |
| erstazi | kikka: they accept euroe | 23:21 |
| erstazi | s/euroe/euro/ | 23:21 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: kikka: they accept euro | 23:21 |
| sp3000 | timelE61i: Did you mean: klaus k bulevardi | 23:21 |
| sp3000 | (hey, that's what google gave me :P) | 23:22 |
| timelE61i | Probably | 23:22 |
| kikka | Mhm, yes. Mhm... Well, i paid in german shop 170€. That's ok. | 23:22 |
| qgil | after dealing with 20 wiki orphan pages there are currently only 40 left | 23:22 |
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| sparr | buy.com is awesome because they ship free and dont charge tax a lot of places | 23:22 |
| timelE61i | i'm at mannerheimenti | 23:22 |
| qgil | now I should go and do non-maemo stuff | 23:22 |
| erstazi | qgil: I am ok it, my wife was talking to me, and saw the shirt offer, she said size small heh | 23:22 |
| sparr | my company bought 2 770s so far. and myself and my boss bought our own. we hope to get a dozen more for the company once we get people using them | 23:22 |
| timelE61i | sp3000? | 23:23 |
| erstazi | sparr: they are great for mobility in the office | 23:23 |
| sp3000 | timelE61i: I see 2-4, dunno what's at 5 | 23:23 |
| timelE61i | k | 23:23 |
| qgil | erstazi: on Monday I will send you an email asking your snail mail address and sices for men and woman | 23:23 |
| erstazi | qgil: thank you | 23:23 |
| r2d2rogers | so is there a way to get a boot log out of a 770? | 23:23 |
| sparr | r2d2rogers: dmesg? syslog? | 23:23 |
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| timelE61i | wait, boulevardi changes name at mannerheim doesn't it | 23:23 |
| sparr | we have a legacy sco unix server that runs our warehouse management software via telnet... xterm+telnet on the 770 will be a cheap solution for people wandering the warehouse looking for things | 23:24 |
| qgil | timelE61i: are you backporting http://twitter.com/ to IRC? | 23:24 |
| timelE61i | uh | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | sparr: can't do dmesg for the rebooting issue, but can get to something after booting back to internal flash | 23:24 |
| timelE61i | sp3000 kitos | 23:24 |
| r2d2rogers | sparr: I'm dual booting OS2006 and have messed up the MMC install somehow | 23:24 |
| sp3000 | np | 23:24 |
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| r2d2rogers | sparr: but I can access the MMC file system and even install packegs through a chroot | 23:25 |
| sparr | oh, dunno then. good luck. | 23:25 |
| r2d2rogers | sparr: thanks | 23:26 |
| timelE61i | qgil? | 23:29 |
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| qgil | timelE61i: yes | 23:29 |
| timelE61i | i don't have email here | 23:29 |
| timelE61i | did you zap something from connectivity? | 23:29 |
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| timelE61i | if so please update wiki | 23:29 |
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| * timelE61i reloads | 23:30 | |
| qgil | timelE61i: they told me that "phone" wasn't a sensible component and I removed it, that's all | 23:30 |
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| timelE61i | k. i forgot to reload and saw it. My faulr | 23:31 |
| qgil | timelE61i: I'm assuming you are looking at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bugsmaemoorgreorg/ | 23:32 |
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| Paolo | Hello guys | 23:32 |
| Paolo | How are you ? | 23:32 |
| * sp3000 still feels poor mediaplayer should go to apps rather than hang out all alone in multimedia | 23:33 | |
| Paolo | I have readed the newspaper last day | 23:33 |
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| Paolo | And there was written that the cd never could be produced | 23:34 |
| Paolo | This is a problem for all the sector of music | 23:35 |
| sully | ok | 23:35 |
| r2d2rogers | would anyone have suggestions on where I might look into setting my 770 to auto connect to wifi on boot? | 23:35 |
| r2d2rogers | maybe the command like with the browser asking for a web page? | 23:36 |
| Paolo | Foresta 25 years we have listen the music with the player for music or on the computer | 23:36 |
| r2d2rogers | s/like/line/ | 23:36 |
| infobot | r2d2rogers meant: maybe the command line with the browser asking for a web page? | 23:36 |
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| r2d2rogers | hey nice bot | 23:36 |
| Paolo | Now the problem is that there are not anymore covers and texts for the songs | 23:37 |
| qgil | sp3000: well, you have a point - now that it's a component alone - timelE61i feel free to leave it under Applications if after the party your brain tells you it makes sense | 23:38 |
| Paolo | But only the possibility to buy on internet | 23:38 |
| timelE61i | k. We'll see | 23:38 |
| timelE61i | i'm closing products atm | 23:39 |
| timelE61i | btw, i need versions to merge 770 to n800 | 23:40 |
| roope | Hello. | 23:40 |
| qgil | timelE61i: as I said before - I suggest IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to last stable when submitting a bug | 23:41 |
| Paolo | And people have not adsl, wi-fi... How they could listen the music ? Why to pay a price to itunes or others when i can buy | 23:41 |
| qgil | timelE61i: maemo specific products will have the maemo numbering | 23:41 |
| Paolo | In to my preferrered shop or on a bookstore ? | 23:42 |
| qgil | hi roope | 23:42 |
| Paolo | I think that a petition could stop this crazy idea | 23:43 |
| Paolo | Bye bye paolo ninuxpdb@gmail.com | 23:43 |
| sully | Online petitions always work | 23:43 |
| roope | http://www.deezer.com/ is one interesting example of internet music. | 23:43 |
| roope | a really wide selection. it's free. just type a song and listen. | 23:44 |
| timelE61i | ok | 23:44 |
| qgil | timelE61i: for maemo we have 2.2 and 3.x - I don't see the need to put all the rest | 23:45 |
| timelE61i | is there a pge that lists them? | 23:45 |
| qgil | timelE61i: I have an early draft in my laptop :P | 23:46 |
| roope | haven't tried with our browser(s), though. | 23:46 |
| timelE61i | is it connected | 23:46 |
| qgil | timelE61i: no, is taking a deserved weekend rest | 23:47 |
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| qgil | timelE61i: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemoreleasesrepositoriesdistros/ in fact, what I have in my laptop is a bit more of a small history of maemo | 23:48 |
| qgil | timelE61i: we could include Sardine, yes - not Herring though | 23:49 |
| qgil | erstazi: oh, I forgot to tell you something very important before - so confused I was | 23:51 |
| erstazi | oh | 23:51 |
| qgil | erstazi: "Thank You" | 23:51 |
| erstazi | qgil: no problem at all | 23:51 |
| erstazi | I enjoy helping if I have time | 23:51 |
| qgil | erstazi: I'm taking now all the Maemo* pages | 23:52 |
| erstazi | ok | 23:53 |
| erstazi | qgil: I don't understand that last statement | 23:53 |
| sully | Most awkward pageant answer c/o Miss Teen USA 2007 South Carolina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww | 23:54 |
| qgil | erstazi: I'm going through all the pages starying with "Maemo" at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ | 23:54 |
| erstazi | ah | 23:54 |
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| erstazi | hi user_ | 23:54 |
| ekim|irc | Ok | 23:54 |
| ekim|irc | Phew | 23:54 |
| ekim|irc | Done | 23:54 |
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| ekim|irc | It worked | 23:55 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: flashed? | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | yup | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | :) | 23:55 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: OS2006? | 23:55 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that OS2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | No | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | I am now booted from the mmc | 23:55 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: oh wait you have an n800 | 23:55 |
| erstazi | oh | 23:55 |
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| ekim|irc | I did that yes | 23:55 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: is it faster or have you not did a benchmark test yet? | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | but that was quick | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | No | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | it doesnt seem much faster | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | how much faster should it boot | 23:55 |
| erstazi | I keep on hearing that but I find it hard to believe | 23:55 |
| ekim|irc | it still takes about 20 seconds to boot | 23:56 |
| erstazi | its all flash really | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | I know | 23:56 |
| erstazi | thats expected, in my opinion | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | I didnt do it for speed | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | I did it for space | 23:56 |
| erstazi | ah | 23:56 |
| erstazi | I got ya now | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | What are some of your favorite apps | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | Now I gotta start from scratch | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | what do you think I should install | 23:56 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: oh I got a few | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | lets have 'em :0 | 23:56 |
| ekim|irc | * :) | 23:56 |
| erstazi | qgil: I am going to stop for a second and attack the rest of the ones besides maemo* | 23:57 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: I will have _Monkey do the work for me ok? | 23:57 |
| erstazi | fbreader? | 23:57 |
| _Monkey | i guess fbreader is a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader/ | 23:57 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: you have OS2006 correct? | 23:57 |
| erstazi | ekim|irc: maybe I should start from the most important and work my way down (: I can give you my sources.list as well | 23:58 |
| DaniloCesar | How can I start browser by command line? | 23:58 |
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| erstazi | DaniloCesar: mmm the opera browser? | 23:58 |
| erstazi | DaniloCesar: try typing/tapping opera | 23:58 |
| DaniloCesar | or MicroB.. Is the same commando rigth? | 23:59 |
| erstazi | try it | 23:59 |
| DaniloCesar | There is no commando opera | 23:59 |
| DaniloCesar | there is a "browser" command, but don't work | 23:59 |
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