IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-08-24

erstazibasically if you have [poop] and you wanted to link to [foo] which is a sub article of [poop] then you would do [/foo] which would be poop/foo in the URL00:00
pupnikthe standard nomenclature is foo/bar00:00
erstazipupnik: I know, but poop came to mind first00:01
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pupnikWould any n800 owners here give pcsx a try and report framerates for playstation games?  check thread here:
_Monkeyi guess pcsx is an open-source Playstation 1 emulator.  An unoptimized build is available at   Its purpose is to frustrate users and annoy zodttd into porting psx4all to maemo.00:15
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MoRpHeUzpupnik: where do I find games to test pcsx ?00:18
pupnikright now the public-domain gaimes i have won't load in pcsx00:19
pupniki picked up a pile of psx games at a closeout sale a few years ago00:20
pupniki haven't found what causes the seek past eof error yet00:22
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bluehashdoes anyone know if the uart on the OMAP is routed to the port near the battery pack of the n80000:35
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milhouseit's a serial port, yes00:42
bluehashwhy doesnt it show up on /dev/tty00:42
bluehashI mean can i access it00:43
milhousethat i don't know. pinouts are on the web somewhere00:43
bluehashyes I did see them00:43
milhousemaybe it's only active during boot?00:43
bluehashThe person got readouts while the N800 was booting00:43
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Paologood night boys01:47
PaoloPlease could you help me ?01:47
sullyWhat's the problem01:48
_Monkeythe problem is that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey....01:48
Paolohow to use ctorrent on nokia 770 ?01:48
straindThat sounds like the problem alright.01:48
sullyprobably by reading its documentation01:49
Paolofrom shell i done ctorrent -h to have the help01:49
Paolobut i have not understood how to download01:50
sullyI'm kind of curious as to the usefulness of a torrent client for the 77001:51
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PaoloI am using the nokia 770 now01:54
PaoloAnd i got the battery down01:54
PaoloProblably the connection could go down01:54
PaoloI am in a secondary street and i am using the wifi01:54
PaoloOf one that has a bad connection01:54
PaoloCould you help me if you can ?01:54
sullysorry, I don't know how to make it work01:54
pupniki've downloaded with ctorrent01:55
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PaoloI have CTorrent01:55
pupnikyou download a torrent file with browser01:56
pupnikthen run ctorrent filename.torrent01:56
pupnikuse -U 16 to limit upstream bandwidth to 16kB/s01:57
kikka__Is there any delimitation of the mmc-card?01:58
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pupnikkikka__: hi - i do not understand01:59
kikka__pupnik: du sprichst doch deutsch? Oehm, ich meine Beschraekung der SD-Karte beim 770. :/02:00
pupnikmaximum size of mmc card?02:00
sully2 gig limit right now02:00
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kikka__Are. On 770?02:00
pupnik2GB max on 77002:00
PaoloVirtual mem02:00
kikka__Mhm, nice.02:01
* pupnik runs Oddworld - Abe's Oddessey on 770 :P02:02
pupnikfirst time - still loading02:03
sullyhow does that work? *interested*02:03
pupnikvery slowly!02:03
pupnikwatching intro movie now02:04
sullySome ARM compile of the game?02:04
pupnikno running playstation emulator pcsx02:04
sullyoh interesting. do any PSX games run decently?02:04
pupnikabout 0.6 fps on intro screen movie02:05
pupniktrying to start a game to see in-game fps02:06
pupnikpsx4gp2x gets about 25 fps with frameskip02:06
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bluehashare there any cheap bluetooth serial modules out there02:06
Luria_what do you do with a 45lb 8-month old02:07
Luria_err.... dog02:07
sullythank god!02:07
Luria_i forgot to mention it is a hyperactive dog02:07
Luria_it would jump into the spokes :-)02:08
Luria_bluehash, if you find one, btw, let us, or at least me, know02:08
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Luria_heh. my 30lb shiba totally pwns him02:10
PaoloThis is the file torrent that i downloaded02:10
Luria_and i don't use l33t lightly.02:10
Paoloi have started xterm02:10
PaoloI wrote sudo gainroot02:11
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Paolocd /media/mmc102:11
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PaoloThen ctorrent -U 16 and the file downloaded02:12
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bluehashLuria: sure02:13
PaoloError open Guns........02:14
bluehashI did ask this before.. But there wasnt much trafiic then..  does anyone know if the uart on the OMAP is routed to the port near the battery pack of the n80002:14
PaoloError initial meta info failed02:14
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PaoloI think gz is better02:16
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PaoloI thank i think to ask more detailed02:25
PaoloInfo to any friend02:25
pupnikthat should work02:26
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kikka__MHm... ScummVM :) :)02:28
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pupnikalmost exactly 1.0 fps on Abe's Oddyssee :P02:34
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pupnikif you have Abe's and a N800 i would like to know fps02:36
pupnikmaybe 1.202:36
pupnikopenGL would help just a bit :)02:37
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eichihello, someone uses alternative solar or crank for charging this pda?02:51
* pupnik points to a battery of hamsters on wheels02:54
sullyI use the gravitational force of the moon02:55
pupnikeichi: any 5v DC power supply should work, afaik02:56
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eichihm sometimes i'm many days on camps, on the way with the bike and tent, etc. so it would be usefull to get power without any receptacle02:59
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Luria_look at the soldius charger03:04
Luria_no battery (which i prefer, though i understand the opposite side)03:04
Luria_anyhoo, iirc, the n800's a/c adapter outputs 5v @890ma or so, so a 5w adapter should be fine.03:05
Luria_i havent bought one yet myself, so i dunno03:05
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setitecan i use the shasta keyboard with an n800?03:39
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kikka__      o Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GB) <- Really up to 2GB? ;)03:45
pupniki run 2GB since november 200603:46
kikka__Okay. :)03:46
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setitewhat can i use for a real file browser04:19
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Emh5945Can someone walk me through compiling either swfdec or gnash for os 2006 on the n770, i cant seem to figure out how to do it04:35
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setitecan someone tell me how to compile anything at all04:35
setitei have no idea04:35
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saaibsetite, you'll need to read a tutorial on the GNU compilation tools (autogen, configure, make, etc)05:01
sullyAnyone get MicroB working on their 770?05:02
pupnikwhen did microb get released?  i missed it - URL?05:04
setitethank god for mulliner05:04
setitehe allowed me to forgo learning to compile for another day05:05
saaibdarn, how do I get the python netrc module?05:10
saaibwhile trying to launch uktube from xterm I got the import error 9no module netrc)05:10
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pupniksully to answer your question, yes05:21
sullyI get a whole bunch of missing dependencies05:21
qgilWow, some people worked a lot on the wiki in the past hours, thanks a lot05:22
qgilCan someone change TONIGHT by TODAY in the #maemo topic?05:24
saaibpupnik, qgil do you guys know how i can install the netrc python module ? (UKTUBE requires it)05:24
qgilI think i can't with pidgin05:24
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pupniksoaib, no - i would google it, or type "apt-cache search python |grep netrc" to find the package name05:25
qgilThx saaib05:25
saaibqgil, np05:26
pupnikmicrob not working with synergy + input method xim here (enter key or CR not working)05:29
pupnikhmm second time is the charm05:30
pupnikscrolling a little bit slower i guess but looks beautiful!05:31
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Darksmurf-awaythe cat chewed up my charger..I can't play w/ my 770 :-(05:40
* Darksmurf-away wonders if there is 'cat-shot' know, kinda like 'bird-shot' but for cats...05:42
Luria_bird shot should work fine05:43
qgilPets: love them . Hate them05:44
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Luria_dogs, love them. cats, hate them.05:44
Darksmurf-awayLuria_ sounds good to me..try to tell that to my girl... Most of the time the cat is ok, this is the first cable she CHEWED IN HALF..if only it had been a little more juice..05:45
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emh5945can somebody compile gnash for me for my nokia n77005:47
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Luria_volts jolt, mils kill05:47
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emh5945can someone compile gnash for the nokia n770 for me05:48
Darksmurf-awayjuice != volts in my book, juice = power05:52
Darksmurf-awayit just dawned on me..I know how to solder. I can fix the psu cable :-)05:52
* Darksmurf-away heats up soldering iron..05:52
Luria_dont slip and impale/burn cat05:53
Luria_or mistake the cat for a wet sponge05:53
emh5945i need help compiling gnash for my n77005:54
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Luria_whats with the free t-shirt?05:57
erstaziLuria_: for helping out on the wiki05:58
erstaziLuria_: there are orphan pages that need linked appropriately or linked in PagesToDeleted05:58
erstazior PagesToDelete05:59
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setiteok installing scratchbox is proving too hard for me06:15
setiteso im not ment to be a compiler06:15
Darksmurf-awaysearch for the vmware image06:15
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setitevmware image of what06:15
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Darksmurf-awayits a linux install + xwindows + scratchbox06:16
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Luria_omg, i want a faraday suit06:23
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setitewhere would i find that06:26
setiteand im not sure what you mean by vmware image06:26
setitei have vmware06:27
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erstazisetite: I think Darksmurf-away means the vmware app that has Ubuntu+scratchbox installed already06:28
erstazithe maemo vmware06:28
setiteyea i figured as much.. still need to find it though06:28
erstaziI have it06:28
setiteok so am i googling maemo vmware or vmware scratchbox06:28
erstazithere is a torrent out there06:28
erstazibut then when you finish the torrent, its in 7z compressed format06:29
setitei think i have 7zip06:29
erstaziand thats built into linux, but windows you need to download the extractor06:29
* Darksmurf-away fixed his cat chewed 770 charger :-D06:29
setitefound it it think06:30
Darksmurf-awaywinrar should do it...I downloaded the file from the server and it worked fine.06:30
setiteMaemo Development VMWare Appliance06:30
setiteon sumo torrent06:30
erstazisetite: I would dcc it to you, but its large of course as any vmware image would be06:30
setiteanyoen know how to install an app as a service06:31
setitei want usirius to run as a service i think06:31
erstazisetite: on what?06:31
_Monkeyi heard windows was a flashy MS-DOS shell06:31
setitei use usirius to listen to sirius satellite on my nokia06:32
setiteill just make it a startup app and pray for the best06:32
Darksmurf-away_Monkey you don't have a snappy comment about nokia?06:32
_Monkeydarksmurf-away: wish i knew06:32
Luria__Monkey, nokia?06:32
_Monkeynokia is, like, a company. It also sponsors maemo using sales of N800s. Buy one. Buy two06:32
erstazisetite: you could do MSCONFIG and then06:33
setitessh is slow as shit sometime06:34
erstazisetite: and then select startup06:34
setitemsconfig... yea i was figured that06:34
setitethank god vista still has msconfig06:34
setitei would be mad if they chagned that too06:34
erstaziugh, vista06:35
setitein msconfig i dont see a way to add a startup app06:35
setiteno vista comments please06:36
erstazisetite: you like "are you sure you want to do that?"? heh I am playing06:36
setitetorrent is slow shit06:37
setiteyou should dcc it :)06:37
erstaziyeah, not enough people seeding06:37
erstaziI won't be on all night and my bandwidth is consumed right now with distro torrents06:37
Luria__Monkey, vista?06:38
_Monkeyluria_: bugger all, i dunno06:38
Luria_speaking of distro torrents06:39
Luria_anyone try elive?06:39
erstaziLuria_: not yet06:39
Luria_really neat06:39
erstaziisn't it debian based?06:39
setitethere are too mayn distros06:39
Luria_with e16/1706:39
Luria_not really06:40
erstaziit uses EDE or some different DE06:40
setiteimagine what would get done if more distros were assimilated into more promising ones06:40
Luria_enlightenment e16/1706:40
setitei would love to see some people on the ubuntu team concerned with speed06:40
setiteor some people on the slackware team concerned with better hardware discovery06:41
Luria_they do. ive seen distros take thoughts and code from others. hence gpl...06:41
setiteslackware is the only os I have tried so far that fights my network card06:41
setitei just wish a super distro would emerge to take back the world from windows06:42
setiteone that both newbs and elitists alike would use06:42
Luria_yeah, that wouldnt quite work06:42
erstazisetite: well, so far Ubuntu has done that, but I have been hoping something else would jump on the ring06:42
Luria_kubuntu :-)06:42
setiteif a good team set themselves to it they could get damned close06:42
erstaziI think Fedora is a decent distro06:43
setiteerstazi elitists hate ubuntu06:43
erstazisetite: of course06:43
Luria_i like debian and suse06:43
Luria_and openbsd06:43
setitei know a bunch of slackers who cant stand it... whining about true admin stuff06:43
erstazibut you have to realize, elitists will not use what newbs will use06:43
erstaziyou cannot bind those two together06:43
Luria_and i really am liking elive06:43
Luria_plus there are a billion special use distros06:44
erstaziI think Gentoo users are more... "elitist" than slackware06:44
erstaziI used slackware back in 95, my brother introduced it to me06:44
setitethey wont on principal i know.. but it would be nice to have an OS that they cant legitimately grip about06:44
erstaziDamn Small Linux is great on older pc's, the XFCE DE is very easy flowing06:44
setitefound a direct link to maemo appliance06:45
setitegetting it on flashget06:45
setitetar ball though06:45
Luria_i use dsl... but elive is cooler06:45
setitei use ubuntu because im lazy06:45
setitebut i think its damned slow06:45
setitelike web browsing has annoying delays06:45
erstazisetite: it is slow because of the DE, but KDE is slower on Kubuntu, its not implemented right06:46
Luria_only thing is the "feed me" approach by its developer and hidden ftp servers06:46
setitei hear the new kernel has network optimizations that allow a rig to download faster06:46
setitei just cant stand ubuntus browsing delays06:46
erstazisetite: its how firefox is implemented06:47
setitei type in a page in firefox windoze and its almost immediate06:47
setitein firefox ubuntu it takes 2-5 seconds to start loading06:47
erstazifirefox uses XUL for the graphical layout06:47
erstaziwhich is xml based06:47
erstazibetween 1.5.x and 2.0.0.x, firefox became very bloated06:48
Luria_thats why i use k-meleon as my browser when alt-tabbed out of a modern game.06:48
erstaziI am finding opera to be very light weight06:48
Luria_(on windows, of course)06:48
erstazibut I still use firefox primarily06:48
erstaziyou have to avoid extensions, really06:49
erstazithats what blogs down firefox a lot.06:49
setiteopera... light weight?06:49
setitewhat are you smoking06:49
erstazisetite: ok, quicker response heh06:49
Luria_extensions arent too bad...06:49
setitei love opera.. but i havent seen a browser this bloated since aol06:49
erstaziwell, AOL's browser was basied on mozilla06:50
setiteand aol wasnt a browser.. but you know what i mean.. opera reminds me of the aol app06:50
setitei thought aol was msie06:50
erstazino, they bought netscape, which netscape owned mozilla06:50
erstazior some sort06:50
erstazibasically, AOL had the software rights and then dropped them or some sort06:50
setiteso aol owns firefox?06:50
erstaziand actually, they used some sort of mix, technically, it is its own browser06:51
erstaziit uses IE's settings but different rendering06:51
erstazior some sort, I never really dug into it, but my wife uses AOL sadly ugh06:51
erstaziI cannot convince her to get rid of it06:52
setiteyou are a sad man if you cant get her off it :)06:52
erstaziI am about to do whitelisting here soon for the hardware firewall, so then AOL won't be able to connect06:53
erstaziand when she asks whats wrong, I will be like "I don't support aol, sorry"06:53
Luria_damn.... aol is still in business?06:54
erstaziLuria_: sadly06:58
erstazithey offer their operating system for free now... no more payments if you have broadband06:59
erstaziok I am going to sleep, everyone have a good night (:07:00
Darksmurf-awayanyone know where to get the flash9 plugin for MicroB on the 770?07:01
setiteim still in shock netzero is afloat07:03
setitei miss when they were free07:03
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setiteim one of the reasons aol is in business07:03
setitei paid for their BYOA plan for like two years so i didnt have to get a new IM account07:04
setitei finally said fuck it one day07:04
setiteand a month earlier they had changed their policy allowing you to keep your name when you cancelled07:04
setiteso i lucked out07:04
setite5 mins left on this tar ball07:05
Darksmurf-awayso..I installed MicroB and now I have tabs. I had also just installed Minimo. I see tabs on the builtin browser so I assume MicroB gave me tabs and not minimo07:09
setitei hate minimo07:09
setiteit opens slow and wont let me paste urls07:09
setitewell that last part happened once.. but it does open slow as shit..07:10
setitebut it lets me run sites opera wont07:10
setiteeven though minimo means mini mozilla i keep thinking mini mo as in homo07:11
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GeneralAntillesMinimo is a pain07:26
GeneralAntillesUI doesn't behave right07:26
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sparri love my new tablet pc07:29
sparrlike a grown up 770  :)07:30
sparrtoo bad i have to sell it  :(07:30
derfsparr: Oh, I forgot, did you still need that .ogg file with comments?07:30
sparrnope, all good here07:30
sparri think we pretty clearly drew the line on what does and doesnt work with mutagen and ogg07:31
Lynouresparr: Which kind is it?07:33
sparrLynoure: motion m140007:33
sparrive got kubuntu running on it07:33
Lynouresparr: looks nice, but quite expensive and heavier than it looks, I guess for anything over 1kg I'd want some sort of keyboard included07:40
sparri picked it up for $200, sans hard drive07:40
sparrwith 1GB of ram07:41
Lynouresparr: wow, that was well, compared to the >1000 sterling normally07:41
sparra steal07:41
sparrbut i cant afford to not sell it  :(07:41
sparr$200 tablet is nice.  $400+ in my pocket is nicer.07:42
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Lynouresparr: Could you do a freehand line test on it, just for fun? I got lately really curious about touchscreen sensitivity/accuracy, and mused over easy way of testing it:
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LynoureNot very scientific, but easy and doable without anything special needed.07:58
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timelyDarksmurf-away: yes microb gave you tabs08:35
timelyGeneralAntilles: minimo's interaction w/ the vkb was *amazingly* frustrating08:36
dolskeMmmm... 32GB SD cards.
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timelywhaq__: oh one thing, the actual path for the flash plugin is different for os200608:39
timelyi forgot about that detail08:39
timelybecause if you stick it into the normal place, it'll thoroughly confuse opera08:40
timelyor at least, i expect it should confuse opera. i didn't try.08:40
timelyiirc plugins should be in usr/lib/browser/plugins/2007/08:41
lle2timely: talking of plugins, is there any chance of running the flash plugin in a separate process with a super low priority? It's making everything dog slow as it is.08:42
timelylle2: well err, technically yes08:42
timelyin fact i think someone tried to do it once (no relation to nokia, just a genera linux thing)08:42
timelybasically it means you have to proxy NPAPI calls across processes08:43
timelyNPAPI is actually not that big...08:43
timelyactually, maybe what they did was create a 64->32bit wrapper instead of an out of process one08:43
timelybut practically speaking, all thunks are created equal, so the work to do one is pretty close to the work to do the next08:44
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lle2it should be out of process so that it can be killed and memory reclaimed08:44
timelyit should be out of process so when it crashes people don't bother me08:44
lle2that also08:44
lle2because almost all the problems I'm seeing are caused by flash08:44
timelyanyway, conceptually all you have to do is make some code that can do loadlibrary and proxy npapi08:45
timelyi'd start w/ the 64=>32bit plugin08:45
lle2makes the whole device totally unresponsive on many websites08:45
timelysince that does the first half08:45
timelyproblem is, i'm not going to get those resources08:46
timelyeven though it'd be a huge win for us08:46
timelywell, maybe that's not true08:46
timelyif i can show it's a real perf win, maybe i can reallocate a perf contractor :)08:46
timelybut don't hold your breath08:46
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lle2I'm not08:46
timelyi've wanted out of process plugins for years08:46
timelyatm, a slightly more immediate problem is that microb's npapi doesn't offer wmode08:47
* timely wonders if anyone has noticed08:47
timelyis so unhelpful08:48
lle2it's just that the device is pretty solid in normal use with flash disabled (tens of days of uptime)08:49
timelyyou must have access to a power cable08:50
timelythe only device i have like that w/ good uptime is a 770 on my desk at work08:51
timelyand it runs 200508:51
lle2uh, it's a multimedia computer, of course it's connected to wall socket08:51
* timely rotfl08:51
* timely sighs08:51
timelyi deleted all my trash, and in the time it took to do that, i got 2 new messages in my trash08:52
whaq__timely: ok, i don't have a 770. i posted that link cause someone was looking for it earlier.08:53
timelywhaq__: yeah, i understand08:54
timelyhrm, my 770 thinks it's 9:54am08:55
timelytoo bad my mac tells me it's 8:55am08:55
lle2770 is more advanced than your mac08:55
whaq__my n800 thinks it's cool08:56
whaq__and i concur with it.08:56
timelythe 770 thinks it's a vista box08:56
timelyit also thinks that the top left icon in the task navigator will run opera08:57
timelylittle does it know that i intend to secretly replace that with microb08:57
* timely wonders what portion of the channel will recognize the allusion 08:57
lle2hmm, it has only 64MB, the size of that concept won't fit08:57
whaq__you're making it a bi08:57
timelyhrm: note to webmaster for browser.garage: site looks awful in opera808:58
timelyoh right, that was the "you need js enabled if you want the site to have css"08:59
* timely sighs08:59
timelyi tried fixing that once and gave up08:59
lle2timely: do you think it would be possible to make tapping on links work so that while the pen is down, you could "aim" it at the right link, highlighting the one that would be clicked when the pen is lifted?09:00
timelywe need to do something like that anyway for thumb support in the future09:00
timelyi think the plan is to spend a significant amount of time working on that09:01
whaq__IT OS can benefit greatly from gestures and kinetic scrolls09:01
lle2might be interesting trying to differentiate a pan from aim&click09:02
timelywhaq__: i have a headache already09:02
timelyplease don't give me another09:02
timelypanning and spatial navigation are two of the biggest headaches this stupid platform have given me09:02
timelywhaq__: it os might benefit from such things09:03
timelybut web browsers for devices w/ a single button09:03
timelyand no working keyboard09:03
timelyreally can't deal with people stealing input that web pages will actually handle in their own creative ways09:03
timelye.g. google maps wants all your gestures and right clicks09:03
timelydocs and spreadsheets do too09:03
timelygoogle reader even wants your scroll wheel09:04
whaq__in its own javascript window09:04
lle2maybe panning should only happen when it's really a swipe, a high speed movement over a substantial part of the screen09:04
timelypanning should just die09:04
lle2yup, put the flash in the pan while it's burned09:05
timelywhat if i'm playing a web game that does something based on speed09:05
timelylle2: with pleasure09:05
* timely grumbles09:05
timelyUnable to install microb-browser09:05
timelyPackages missing:09:05
timely hildon-libs0 >= 0.12.24-309:06
timely hildon-libs0 >= 0.12.24-309:06
timely[ Close ]09:06
* timely kicks romaxa09:06
timelyhe's always trying to force me to upgrade to the latest IT OS09:06
timelyfirst he tried to make me get IT OS 4.200709:06
timelywhen i was perfectly happy w/ IT OS 3.200709:07
timelynow he wants me to get 3.200609:07
timelywhen i'm perfectly happy w/ 2.200609:08
timelyactually, it's not so much that i'm happy w/ what i have, but that i have so many installed applications, that i'm not considering migrating09:08
timelybtw, did anyone recognize the picture I used for microb/2006?09:09
whaq__it's interesting that people can interchange 'happiness' and 'settling.. contentment'09:10
whaq__the cost to improve is too much for me09:10
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timelyit's very simple. if it's working, don't break it09:14
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timelyi use windows 2000 on my pc. i use osx 10.3.9 on my mac09:15
timelyoh whoops09:17
timelywell, that explains why there's no picture on planet.maemo09:17
* timely forgot to fix the relative link09:17
lle2the only way to get people to use newer version of your software is by making your previous version so bad they are desperate to upgrade09:20
timelyanyway, as a warning for people who don't read carefully, will be shifting dramatically over the weekend09:20
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timelyif you happen to be set to watch everyone (no one should do that), or have managed to vote for a lot of bugs or cc yourself to a lot of bugs, you /might/ want to change your mail preferences to not get bugmail for things w/o comments09:24
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latzkoI am writting a home applet that needs input. Is it possibe to move the applet up to the top of the screen, when keyboard appears (as applications behave)?09:34
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kulvelatzko: I don't think so (I'm not 100% sure though)09:43
latzkohm, I am afraid of that too09:44
roopelatzko you could just put the text field in a dialog.09:44
roopehome applets currently can't unfortunately move.09:45
roopelike that.09:45
latzkoI see. thanks09:45
dubdibdubdoes anyone know where i can tell my own .desktop entry in /usr/share/applications/* to not(!) appear below the folder 'Extras' ??09:51
dubdibdubbest would be to put the entry to the top - where skype is!09:51
kulvedubdibdub: /etc/othersmenu, iirc09:54
dubdibdublet's see....09:55
dubdibdubskype got no entry there...09:56
timelyroope: so the google search applet is just broken if you have it in the bototm half of the screen? :)09:57
dubdibdubtimely: w00t??09:58
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Dasaevyou can type the text just fine and press enter to start the search :)09:58
timelydubdibdub: eh?10:00
dubdibdubcannot believe google applet doesnt work down there10:01
latzkoanother q: when I build the interface for the applet in hildon_home_applet_lib_initialize (), every widget appears for the first time like gtk_widget_show:_all () was called but I do not want that. why is this?10:02
dubdibdubkulve: do you have another idea where it could be?? just tried to copy 1100_filemanager.desktop to 1010_myapp.desktop and changed the Name entry to Test => doesnt work10:03
timelydubdibdub: i'm too lazy to test from here10:03
timelybesides, i need to go to work10:03
timelybut i'm going to file a planet bug first10:03
dubdibdubtimely: have a lot of f**10:04
kulvedubdibdub: those are links and the number should state the position10:04
kulvesmaller the number the higher it is. Again, iirc..10:04
dubdibdubkulve: ls -la...... i'm too stupid... pebkac... sorry10:04
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latzkowell, I tried, google applet works down there but keyboard covers it when typing :)10:07
kulvelatzko: use the thumb keyboard and it will cover the rest too ;)10:08
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dubdibdubnow i have a softlink to my .desktop file in the others-menu. even with the same owner/group - but my-app is still below the folder 'Extras'... :(10:09
latzkokulve, sure :)10:09
kulvedubdibdub: hmm.10:09
kulvethere was some update command..10:09
kulvehmm.. maybe there wasn't..10:09
dubdibdubi'll try to reboot it...10:10
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* timely files bug 1900 :)10:11
_MonkeyBug 1900 might be found at
dubdibdubkulve: after a reboot it is still beyond 'Extras'10:16
dubdibdubi also cannot find anything menu-related via gconftool-2 -R /10:18
kulvesorry, I can't help you more about that.. Maybe there's a conf file or something?10:18
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dubdibdubwouldn't have asked if i would not have already looked for ;)10:19
dubdibdubso i'll let it...10:19
dubdibdubkulve: thanks anyway10:21
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timelesshello tigert11:01
timelessbtw, in case people are curious about the shirt they're receiving, there should be a picture of one on planet11:01
timelessi suppose it depends how often planet polls the browser feed :)11:01
timeless for people who are impatient11:02
timelesstigert: btw, i hope you don't mind, you're mentioned in #5, which will still be visible for the weekend11:02
timelessalthough it should disappear sometime next week11:02
timelessi make my urls very easy to write and guess11:04
timelessbut absolutely meaningless w/o reading :)11:04
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timelessoh darn11:07
* timeless curses11:07
timelessnote to self: be sure that the dates for blog entries are reasonable11:08
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AD-N770good morning11:20
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matmo_Monkey: sod off you robotic ape12:29
_Monkeymatmo: what?12:29
matmo_Monkey: you heard me12:29
_Monkeymatmo: excuse me?12:29
matmoanyone have connection probs on 2007HE?12:31
keesjthe "old" he? or is there a new one12:36
timelessmatmo: grumpy today i see12:36
matmonew when?12:36
matmooh, ok, off to check...12:36
greygusbmh, 2007 Hacker Edition, whats different to the consumer version?12:36
timelessconsumer version of what?12:37
timelessit os 2007 runs on n800s12:37
timeless2007 he runs on 770s12:37
greygusbah, i see, ok12:37
greygusbthought there are two versions now for n80012:37
keesjit's goodstuff[tm]12:37
* greygusb gets first coffee12:37
timelessthere are 4 versions of 2007 for n80012:37
greygusball the updates of the 2007 os i assume12:38
timelesswell, technically 5: 0.2007 (collector's edition), 1.2007 (general release), 2.2007 (first bugfix), 3.2007 (first feature fix), 4.2007 (flash9)12:38
matmoremind me, where to get HE?12:38
_Monkeyi think google is my friend12:38
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timeless_monkey: google is also \you should make it your friend too12:39
_Monkeyokay, timeless.12:39
matmonm, found the post on ITT12:39
greygusbso, now i bought yet another usb hub, i just hope this one works without drawing power from the host12:39
timeless_monkey literal google12:40
_Monkeytimeless: google =is= _Monkey's friend or you should make it _Monkey's friend too12:40
timeless_monkey literal google12:40
_Monkeytimeless: google =is= your friend or you should make it _Monkey's friend too12:40
timeless_monkey literal google12:40
_Monkeytimeless: google =is= your friend or you should make it \your friend too12:40
timeless_monkey google =~ s/or/and/12:40
_MonkeyOK, timeless12:40
_Monkeyrumour has it google is your friend and you should make it \ friend too12:41
timelesshrm, that's wrong12:41
_Monkeygoogle is probably your friend and you should make it my friend too12:41
timeless_monkey literal google12:41
_Monkeytimeless: google =is= your friend and you should make it _Monkey's friend too12:41
_Monkeyhmmm... google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too12:42
* timeless cries12:42
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matmokeesj: sry, misunderstood, the latest one, aka, the one I installed a week or so ago12:43
matmotimeless: not grumpy! Just insulting Monkey for the fun of it :-)12:44
konttoritimeless: I was just using the microb today to catch the news and thought that your idea about the firefox default popup scroller might be pretty good scrolling method as well (from the last time we discussed it). But for now, could it be possible by any means to add support for users to reconfigure dpad up and down (or zoom + - ) to act as page up / down?12:46
timelessi'm hoping to eventually find someone to make either an overlay or another application or something12:47
timelesswhich would sit on right/left edge of screen12:47
konttoriIt would really help browsing the pages, as the current implementation of the finger scroll seems to be at least on my device too eager to make a 'click' instead of actually dragging the content12:47
timelessand act as a virtual mouse12:47
timelessi shoudl draw a picture of what i want12:47
timelessmaybe you can find someone to do it :)12:47
konttoriAnyway, the keyboard method should be pretty easy to implement. It could even be something that would have to be set on in the about:config, but some method of redirecting the keys would be really great12:48
konttorialthough, I would prefer it to be in the normal options / preferences dialog.12:49
timelessfirst i need to get romaxa to fix snav so it doesn't clobber snav.disabled each time you launch the browser :)12:49
konttoriIt might be for example a toggle for either having the zoom keys as zoom or for page up / down.12:49
konttoriwhat's snav?12:49
timelessthe stupid behavior for long press of the arrow keys12:49
konttoriahh.. that onw12:50
konttoriBy the way, could you make that move faster while you are at it?12:50
konttoriat the moment it's so slowly moving that there's really no use of it.12:50
konttorimaybe put it for 4x speed of the current speed.12:50
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unique311pupnik, ???12:52
_Monkeypupnik, is there a nice tutorial for packaing for the N80012:52
konttorican someone kill the monkey?12:52
unique311monkey if i ever get a access password for you...12:52
unique311took the words right out of my mouth konttori12:53
unique311how's ukmp doing konttori ?12:53
unique311it picks up 30 albums now...12:54
unique311on my n80012:54
konttoriI've used 100 albums on it12:54
konttorior over 10012:54
matmocan someone try on HE (opera)? I just get a blank page with ">"12:54
konttoriI was in island for a week, so not much dev for it.12:54
unique311sorry i meant 30 tracks12:54
unique311i have a top 100..12:54
unique311and only 30 tracks show up12:55
konttoriahh... yeah. It's hard coded.12:55
konttoriI was thinking about making that dynamic.12:55
unique311not sure what you mean. but sounds good..12:55
konttoriAww.. Ok, I'll make it dynamic in the weekend.12:55
greygusbdamned, now i have a new hub, but the friggin cable is at home ...12:55
unique311find myself using ukmp and kagu all the mostly on the tablet anyways.12:56
konttoriThe song count per album is hard coded to be at the most 30 (for memory concerns)12:56
konttoridid you notice the lastfm integration in the latest version? It's really cool imho. (kudos for disq)12:56
matmocan someone try on HE (opera)? I just get a blank page with ">" - please12:56
unique311hold on matmo12:57
konttoriThis your profile?
matmohmm, 770 bundled with sat nav £140 (amazon)12:57
unique311konttori, should be..12:58
unique311the only nick i use on most of my registrations12:58
unique311thats me12:58
unique311sorry matmo. not running HE12:59
unique311just woke up.13:00
konttoriI social networked with you13:00
unique311runs fine in microb13:00
unique311just got into 80's music..13:00
matmo880? can't get microb installed on 770, although I haven't tried latest instructions13:00
unique311and listening to quite a bit of the 60's also.13:01
unique311not sure my list is going to interest you konttori13:01
unique311pupnik, final fantasy XI playonline fees suck13:03
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matmowhen converting an app to run on maemo what is the absolute bare minimum required?13:04
konttoricompile it and make a deb13:05
konttoriIf possible, hildonize it, but that's optional.13:05
unique311seems required..13:06
matmoI mean for it to play nice with os and other windows.13:06
unique311some apps are not usable at all if you don't hildon it.13:06
red-zackhi there13:06
_Monkeyhola, red-zack13:06
red-zack12:06 < red-zack> hi there13:07
red-zack12:07 < _Monkey> hola, red-zack13:07
red-zack12:07 < red-zack> lol13:07
matmoatm Squeak is my interest, runs ok13:07
konttoriwell, imho, some apps work pretty well even if you leave them to use the gtk menus and other widgets.13:08
red-zacki even need a dark theme. anyone could help?13:08
matmosqueak is a bit self-contained in that respect13:08
unique311matmo, what is squeak?13:08 (smalltalk environment)13:08
matmohere's some pics frome someone working on the UI:
unique311you working on compiling it for maemo?13:10
matmoalready compiled and works13:10
matmoexpects 3 button mouse though someone has work-around (gesture recognition)13:11
matmoI have it working in SB on puppylinux in vmware on winxp (phew)13:13
matmo...and still very responsive :-)13:15
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matmosee here for list of goodies:
matmoplus there is Seaside ( and of course the UI is dynamically customisable, as is 99% of the system13:21
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gcorrigahi all13:27
matmohi :-)13:27
gcorrigaI understand you were talking about Squeak13:27
matmogcorriga: what do you like about squeak?13:28
gcorrigathe community13:28
matmoagree, but the sw is good as well eh? ;-)13:29
gcorrigaseriously, the fact that I can manipulate almost everything from inside the environment.13:29
gcorrigamatmo: sure, the software is good, too13:29
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matmogcorriga: I modded the movie player recently. Had it scanning through some mpeg's looking for lighting strikes. Morphic made it easy. Going to do same on 770 next week.13:43
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greygusbhey Nermal, greetings from daemon :)13:50
greygusbwe just discovered you are the same Nermal as in #suse :)13:50
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unique311to the whitestork dev, thanks for a great app14:08
whaqhey unique311, where do you get dictionaries for whitestork?14:23
greygusbyeah, are there english - chinese dicts anywhere? or can whitestork now use edict files.14:24
unique311found english to french.14:25
whaqwow brilliant14:26
unique311alot of languages in selection14:26
whaqunique311: thanks.14:26
whaqHow's the quality and size of the dictionaries from that page?14:26
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unique311hold on let me check the dict i dl14:28
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whaqthat's quite small14:29
unique311all of the dictionairies from are on the sourceforge link14:29
unique311guessing you can also put the converters on the sourceforge link to work also.14:31
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unique311greygusb, chinese to english dictionary on sourceforge14:36
cosmois there a way to change target from x86 to arm in sbox 0.9.8 without rebooting?14:43
cosmoit always complains "You have 2 other Scratchbox sessions running!14:44
cosmoYou must terminate them before the active target can be changed.14:44
keesjyes try killing the processes listed when using ps14:44
Gathajasb-config killall ?14:44
keesjps insode sbox that is14:45
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cosmops inside sbox displays outside processes also14:48
matmogcorriga: here's the results of my Squeak Lightning Detector:
cosmologging out of sbox, sb_ctl restart, logging in doesn't help either14:48
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cosmocolleague told that you need to reboot the computer to change target.. but there must be a way to do it14:49
matmosb-menu has that option14:49
cosmo0.9.8 doesn't have sb-menu14:50
cosmoit sucks in many other ways also, but i have to use it14:50
keesjok try killing qemu session then :p14:51
cosmoi don't think i have one14:52
keesjcosmo: I only had this problem when I started the maemo desktop from the arm target.14:53
cosmoi have setup an initial arm target, and not even selected it14:53
cosmoi've exited sb, stopped it, and there are no sbox-related processes running14:55
cosmobut still after starting sb & logging in it comlains about 2 sb sessions14:56
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keesjyou where able to restart it?14:56
cosmoyep, sbox_ctl stop and start works14:57
keesjwith no errors about open files / filesystem etc?14:57
kulvecosmo: you need to know or guess the processes started inside sb and kill them14:57
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kulvecosmo: e.g. dbus or gconf daemons with great pids etc..14:58
kulvecosmo: or qemu-prosesses if you use arm target14:58
cosmocan't find any15:00
keesjit must be a new kind of problem . anything special about your setup? nfs etc?15:01
cosmonope, plain feisty with recently installed sbox15:01
cosmoand sbox is 0.9.8, not the latest 1.0.715:02
keesjbtw I guess that the support of the maemo sdk that came with the 0.9.8 sbox relase is "past" it's period where you are allowed to use it15:02
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cosmoi'm using a custom sdk for a commercial project which should work only on 0.9.815:03
eichihello, is there a way to use my maemo device for remote control my desktop pc?15:03
cosmoof course i'd prefer working with latest version15:03
eichidesktop pc with linux15:04
cosmobut thanks for your help, looks like i'll just need to reboot this pc15:04
cosmoeichi: vnc15:04
eichicosmo: I dont want so see the screen. more like a remote control for dvd, video, musik etc.15:05
eichior is it easier to use vlc for that too?15:06
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tsoim guessing people are allready experimenting with mozilla on the 770.15:26
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guardiananyone aware of this: my n800 does not register itself in the dhcp/dns since the last os update15:31
guardianprior to the last update, the bluetooth name was used to register the hostname15:31
guardiannow it's just empty15:31
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tsointeresting. if i mess with the "tabbed" browsing of mozilla, it fails to put anything in inputboxes...15:35
konttori_Have you managed to get tabbed browsing working on the microb?15:36
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tsowell they show up when i turn then on in the "hidden" menu entry yes15:36
sullyDid you guys have missing dependencies for MicroB on the 770?15:37
tsoand when a new window is opened by a page, its put into a tab instead15:37
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sullylibmediaplayer0 amongst others can't be found for me15:37
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tsoi think someone put a link up on internettablettalk15:37
tsotabs work konttori_15:39
tsobut the ui has issues with closing a window/tab. it closes them all. could be that when closing one, it crashes tho...15:40
tsoall in all, the browser part of the 770 seems to be a buggy hell...15:41
konttori_tso: sounds interesting. So, is there an instruction on how to test the tabbed browsing (ie. how to turn on the 'hidden item')15:42
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tsoget mozilla installed, and a new entry under the "home" menu of the browser should show up, called hidden15:43
tsoin there is a entry called "change view". two of those tab & box, act like tabbed browsing15:44
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tsoerr, maybe not fully correct, the box view splits the display into boxes...15:45
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tsowoa, the box view was remembered by the browser when it "died" when i tried to close one of the boxes, and both boxes where present still15:46
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tsook, this is just fun. died again. still remembered the boxes. but this time the split changed from horizontal to vertical. wtf?!15:47
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tsohmm, i cant manage to drag the split around...15:48
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cosmoeichi: there is mpd (music player daemon) client available.. maybe it's more what you search15:48
konttori_tso: are you talking about the 770 version only? I don't see any home item in n800 version15:49
tsotitle/home, dont recall what that menu is called...15:49
konttori_there are: windows, web page, edit, view, navigation, tools and close at the main level menu15:50
eichicosmo: this sounds like an extra player, isn't it? I want to control xine/mplayer for example15:50
tsokonttori_: strange, there should be a hidden under close, at least that what i see here on my 77015:51
konttori_on n800 (latest microb from extras) there is only close all windows and close window under the close menu15:52
konttori_oh, you meant as a main level menu item15:52
konttori_well, there isn't such.15:52
konttori_apparently 770 build is different from the n800 build15:52
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konttori_anyway, would have been interesting to test the tabs15:54
cosmoeichi: yep.. i doubt there is software available to do that15:54
devcosmo: there is15:55
tsofound some stuff on internettablettalk that talk about editing /home/user/.browser15:56
tsoin there is a option "hidden", most likely set to false, setting it to hidden=true should probably get the entry to show up15:56
devcosmo: the UPnP Controlling part is meant for that15:57
matmoeichi: vlc has a web interface, don't know about others. Also check out upnp servers/clients15:57
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cosmodev: ok.. nice15:57
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kikka<kikka> Can I chose different system themes on maemo?  And Wallpapers?16:04
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tsosure you can16:05
tsohit the "home" menu when looking at the "desktop"16:05
tsounder tools you should find what your looking for16:06
X-Fade_Hehe, get me 2 of these please:
X-Fade_64GB in your N800, not bad :)16:08
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tsoheh, more then what you can get in most SSD drives for laptops...16:11
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kikkaMhm, well, soon i'll buy a n770 for 170€-16:18
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pupnikmicrob running great so far - thanks so much timeless etc16:28
cosmoafter rebooting: "You have 1 other Scratchbox session running!16:31
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cosmolooks like there is something really wrong with my system16:31
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pupnikhi unique31116:43
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Tak <= 32G SDHC announced16:53
X-Fade_Tak: You're late ;)16:55
gla55_n800 and couple of those...   mm.16:55
* Tak checks17:00
Takdamn!  I'm also a dollar short!17:00
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pupnikthat would be like 60+ PSX games :P17:01
timeless!seen qgil17:03
Takyeah; who's going to write the ps1 emulator from scratch in arm asm + dsp tasks? ;-)17:03
timeless_monkey seen qgil17:03
pupnikTak, it's coming17:03
_Monkeyqgil was last seen on #maemo 11 hours, 17 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying:   [Fri Aug 24 03:45:47 2007]17:03
erstaziI got to pee17:03
pupnikno idea about dsp though17:03
erstaziand I hate it!!17:03
pupnikwith kulve and lardman's research, we might be able to put an audio plugin on dsp though17:04
Takplus it would require either hardware 3d support or extreme graphical cleverness17:04
Takpupnik: when I had time to work on fceu, my next task was going to be to move the audio engine to a dsp task17:04
X-Fade_timeless: You might want to fix the links in your last blog post to not be relative..17:04
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X-Fade_timeless: They are pretty broken on planet..17:05
pupnikwell i get 1.2 fps in Oddworld, and psx4all is about 10+x faster on gp2x than pcsx17:05
pupnikTak: they made a dynamic r3000->ARM recompiler for psx4all17:05
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timelessx-fade: can't i blame planet?17:05
timelessx-fade: i'm still trying to figure out if i should file a bug about the negative margin thing17:06
timelessthat's fairly annoying17:06
timelessi think i will17:06
X-Fade_timeless: I think there already is a bug for that.17:07
timelessx-fade: oh?17:08
timelessgot a number?17:08
X-Fade_I think I saw a bug assigned to me for that :)17:08
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X-Fade_timeless: 184417:09
timelessx-fade: the problem w/ doing that is that i have to do staging17:12
timelessand unless i hack my computer to pretend that another computer is browser.garage, ...17:13
Takpupnik: I don't get excited about stuff for the gp2x - their environment is radically different from ours, and I haven't yet seen a piece of code come from their world to ours17:14
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pupnikyes it necessitates real work to do a gp2x->nokia port17:15
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Taks/real/a prohibitive amount of/17:20
X-Fade_timeless: I would consider an application not doing what I want as buggy ;)17:23
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pupnikyou are provoking me and that's good Tak :)17:23
timelesspersonally i feel it's a planet's job to deal w/ relative links17:23
timelessit's the ua17:23
Takif it weren't prohibitive, one piece of software would have been ported in the years since the 770 release17:24
pupniki think we just don't have many devs interested in this stuff17:25
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timelessoh, bah17:28
timelessthat sucks17:28
pupnikTak: consider the other way 'round - all those apps had to be ported to that 'radically different' environment in the first place17:28
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Takheh, a lot of them are ports of windows apps17:29
erstaziTak: I am taking my stab at porting packages but its limited time I can do that in a day17:29
Takerstazi: yeah, I hear that17:30
erstazilike on the wiki, I noticed a lot of articles that were orphaned for the OS2006/770... and I thought, "man if I knew those where there, my life would have been a lot easier"17:30
erstaziI never did get to linking them17:30
* timeless grumbles17:32
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timelessx-fade: alright, fixed on my side17:35
timelessx-fade: note that it's a bug in planet.maemo17:35
timelessbecause showed them w/o me having to make these changes17:35
Emh5945I cant figure out how to compile gnash for my 77017:35
timelessin fact, even deals w/ my relative paths by correcting them to full absolute urls :)17:36
erstaziEmh5945: do you have the source code?17:37
erstaziEmh5945: do you have Linux on a PC or Virtual PC?17:37
erstaziEmh5945: do you have scratchbox?17:38
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Emh5945I have ubuntu linux running with virtual box on a mac and i have the maemo development environment setup with scratch box17:39
erstaziEmh5945: ok then you are set, are you getting errors?17:41
erstaziEmh5945: do you have OS2006 or OS2007HE?17:41
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Emh5945There were three dependencies i needed and i cant get them to work, i'm really new at this17:42
_Monkeyrumour has it Os2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 77017:42
pupnikEmh5945: well it's progress - what dependencies?17:43
Emh5945Ming, mtasc which requires ocaml, and swfmill17:44
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Emh5945Mtasc also requires zlib17:47
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sparrwLynoure: sorry, missed your question last night.  ill give it a test when i get home.  so far all my art friends say its really responsive, but its not a great 'art' tablet because its only sensitive to pressure, not rotation or tile17:50
sparrwusing it for drawing artsy stuff, i havent seen any problem that would be visible in your proposed test17:51
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sparrwi did a few ruler-assisted straight lines here at the office, as a gimmick for our drafting guys, and they came out within 1 pixel of perfect17:51
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pupniksparrw: using sketch program?17:58
sparrwim not familiar with 'sketch'...  i was using gimp and krita and inkscape17:58
pupnikon the tablet?17:58
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sparrwon my motion m1400, not the 77018:00
sparrwwant to get it nice and demoable so i can sell it...  whoever buys it will probably put windows tablet on it anyways18:01
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pupniknice looking device18:15
pupniklooks like it has a bad wifi radio18:15
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konttoritso: in n800 version there is no such option as hidden.18:32
konttoriups. sorry. my bad18:33
konttorifound it. it was the first one18:33
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konttoriseems to work. now I can switch between microb and opera, but there is no menu item hidden, so i cannot switch to tabbed view18:35
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tsono options for view where you can switch browser engine?18:42
pupniki want tabs for microb18:44
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kupesoftHow do I get the cx3110x chip in to monitor mode without crashing my n800?18:47
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sparrwpupnik: so far its a little better than the 770 on wifi reception...  which isnt very good for a device with room for a much larger antenna18:50
* timely frowns18:52
timelythe wiki cleanup is done, right?18:53
*** timely changes topic to "maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | irc logs at | | login and fav! | will be reorganized this weekend"18:54
timelyhave a good weekend all. i'll be moving most bugs in about 28-36hours18:54
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pupnikmicrob has been solid so far - i am afraid to try a plugin now :)19:01
tsousing it on a 770 pupnik? mine seems to die ever so often19:02
pupnikit2006se yes19:02
pupnikusing it on the most bloated site i know right now (digg)19:02
yllusokay, I'm going to have to try installing it again.19:03
Sho_I'm still using the Opera engine, myself ... it's just snappier19:03
tsowhats your virtual memory setting?19:03
pupnikno vm - yes opera was faster for me too19:03
pupnikok digg crashed it19:03
yllusdid you get Flash support up?19:03
pupnikdidn't try flash19:03
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pupnikdigg brings my p3 950mhz with 384MB RAM to its knees19:04
tsohad any issues with it not autoconnecting to wlan?19:04
pupniki manually connect19:04
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tsoheh, opera is able to handle digg nicely19:06
yllusAfter boot from MMC and the kernel hack for a speed up, I'm pretty happy with browser performance.19:11
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tsohmm, accessing my wlan routers webpage using mozilla crash the browser, but works fine in opera...19:13
tsoah, most likely a issue with the password dialog19:15
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sevenlessLooking for an app which can streams video from a server to an N800...21:37
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dhdfoohey, is there a programmable interface to the window manager in maemo?22:17
dhdfooi.e. if I want to tell it to switch windows, go to the home screen, etc22:18
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trevarth1nIs Tony Maro here?23:31
melmothnot that  i m aware of.23:31
melmothbut tony, if you are here, please let us know :)23:32
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trevarth1nanyone know his IRC nick? I saw him on a few days ago...23:39
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trevarth1nnah, maybe that was the mailing list. ugh. nm.23:40
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sbzhi, i have a problem on install of xterm-osso, i use ubuntu feisty on my laptop => anyone have an idea ?23:52
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