IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-08-20

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amr_hey whadya know00:03
amr_it was my heap of crap router00:03
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ssvbpupnik: inline asm can be dangerous, I was already hit this bug:
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pupnikyes i saw inline problems00:05
pupniki don't have a readme or know the author's name00:06
a-l-p-h-aI'm having the worst time trying to get minimo on the 770...  os200600:06
pupnika-l-p-h-a: i did also and gave up00:07
sullyI got it on there without a problem00:07
sullyWhat's the issue?00:07
a-l-p-h-awell, I tried the adding the repo00:07
a-l-p-h-aand can't get to that repo...00:07
sullyThis one?00:08
sullyWeb address - http://repository.maemo.org00:08
sullyDistribution - herring00:08
sullyComponents - main00:08
a-l-p-h-ait was another one00:08
sullyAdd that and try it00:08
a-l-p-h-aI'm on mistral00:08
a-l-p-h-anot herring00:08
sullyNonetheless, add that and give it a whirl00:08
matmowow, usb transfer soooo slooow! Is the 770 usb 1.0?00:09
sullyI use ftp or wget00:10
matmosully: ftp server/client?00:10
sully*nod* I run a local FTP server00:10
matmo(on the 770 side i mean)00:11
a-l-p-h-alets see now... :)00:11
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a-l-p-h-adownloading the new repo... i need to learn how to write again... taptyping stinks.00:11
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a-l-p-h-aand the handwriting recognizes me, but like 80% of the time only00:11
amr_ive never been able to get that much accuracy :p00:11
amr_have you done the handwriting teaching?00:11
amr_do that00:12
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sullyany luck?00:12
a-l-p-h-ano... didn't like that repo/distru/comp configuration...00:13
matmowell 22meg xvid at least starts to play in mplayer, promising00:13
a-l-p-h-a  mistral main00:13
a-l-p-h-achanging to mistral main00:13
a-l-p-h-aand testing again00:13
a-l-p-h-astill unable to refresh list00:14
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a-l-p-h-a points to this url, which is out of date
matmoquits for tonight. see ya and once again thanks for the help!00:15
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kreigso I can ssh to my n80000:16
kreigbut only when it is actually pulling traffic from splace else00:16
sullykeesj: I'm curious, what does that do?00:16
kreigfor isntance, I can login as long as I'm DLing some website00:16
kreigbut when the website stop, my ssh into the n800 stop00:16
kreigis that normal?00:18
a-l-p-h-asully, still no go.00:18
sullyMy 770 keeps the SSH session alive without issue00:18
sullya-l-p-h-a, I usually try to download all the *.deb files I need to my local computer for just this reason00:18
sullyI don't think I got anything but minimo_0.20.1_armel.deb this time though00:18
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kreigok, I need to put my toy away 8)00:19
kreigso I cna get some chores done00:19
pupniki think microb will be great00:20
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a-l-p-h-aooooooooh minimo isn't in this repo " mistral free"00:23
a-l-p-h-acan someone confirm what I just said... I hope to be proven wrong.00:25
kreighmm, apt-get install clean-kitchen is not working00:25
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a-l-p-h-aversion 3.2006.49-2 what name is this?  mistral?00:29
_Monkeyrumour has it bora is pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet00:30
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TomCreerhow does one get Make on the 770 (it's on RD mode already..)00:31
a-l-p-h-aahh...somehow I typed the repo in wrong.00:35
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sullyWhich one? Herring?00:36
BigMacHey, anyone use the nokia 770 here00:36
sullyI do00:36
BigMacsully: Do you know what is the path to "Documents" section00:37
sullyIt is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents00:37
BigMacit isn't /home/user/MyDocs00:37
sullyFor some reason it's a hidden folder00:37
BigMacthank you man00:37
sullyIt might be .document, but one of the two should work00:37
BigMac neither work00:39
BigMacoh doh00:39
BigMacmy fault00:39
BigMacI was typing cd /home/user/.documents00:39
TomCreerwhere can you get Make for the 770? I tried someone's package.. but tar said "invalid tar magic", said the same when i tried to compile one off the gnu site00:39
sullyIf you use "ls", make sure to use "ls -a" to see hidden files/folders00:39
BigMacsully: DO use xterm on the 770?00:40
BigMacBecause I can't figure out why it will not let me backspace00:41
sullyThat's a buggy version of xterm00:41
TomCreerit does00:41
TomCreerit just shows it as a character00:41
sullyWell yeah true00:41
TomCreeror whatever00:41
sullyI think you can set ^H to backspace, but just get the other version of xterm00:41
BigMacsully: Other version?00:42
sully I think00:42
TomCreeranyone know about Make then?00:42
BigMacthats 2005 edition00:42
BigMaci have 200600:42
TomCreerbigmac its in the repos00:42
sullyaha I found it, BigMac00:43
BigMacsully: I have OssoXterm00:44
sullyyes, I realize :)00:44
sullyThis is a different version00:44
sullyFew new features, supports 256 colours, etc00:45
sullyFixes that backspace issue00:45
TomCreersully mate any info about make on the 770?00:47
a-l-p-h-asully, sec00:47
sullyTomCreer, sorry but never played with that one00:48
a-l-p-h-aWeb address
a-l-p-h-aDistribution mistral/00:48
a-l-p-h-aComponents (leave blank)00:48
BigMacAnyone know how to stop the gtalk icon from showing up in the status bar?00:48
BigMacOr just tell it to stop loading completly00:48
BigMacAnd why is cp /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Loom /home/user/MyDocs omitting the initial directory?00:53
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pupnikcp -r for recursive directory copy00:54
sullyIs LOOM good? I'm playing through Monkey Island 2 for now00:54
pupnikbesides you probably want to mv instead of cp00:55
BigMacyes I do00:55
pupniki need walkthroughs for those games00:55
pupnikusually too unintuitive the puzzles00:55
BigMacI heard it was great00:56
TomCreerwhats the dev box on the 770 called again?00:56
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sullyyeah I end up getting the walkthrus as well00:58
sullyNext I'll throw Full Throttle on there00:58
kreiganyone get t-mobile internet going on their n800?00:58
kreigvia DUN00:58
kreiggetting "Remote server not responding" tho I have tried several suggests APNs00:59
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TomCreerwhat apn you using?01:00
kreigand then internet2 and internet301:01
kreiggot it!01:02
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Emh5945Somebody help me! I broke pidgin and gaim by activating the iconify plugin now i cant use either of them!01:07
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Juhazyou could remove ~/.gaim01:09
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Emh5945How, sorry i'm new01:09
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kreigTomCreer: I just had to add receive-all to /etc/ppp/options, as described on chart of phone compat.01:10
kreigI had forgetten to switch the APN back to internet2 after trying the others.  Once I did that, it connected01:10
* pupnik needs someone to work on drpocketsnes with me01:10
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Juhazor .gaim/prefs.xml would probably be enough, and wouldn't lose accounts.01:11
TomCreerok :)01:11
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pupnikwb Luria01:11
Luriathink i found a bug in microb...01:12
Emh5945How do i remove that though the file manager is pretty limited as far as i know01:12
JuhazEmh5945, yes, the files manager is pretty limited. not sure if you can access that through any of the gui tool, might need xterm.01:12
LuriaEmh5945, that reminds me, i have to install canoe01:12
Juhazor third party file manager01:12
Emh5945I have xterm, but i cant use it very well01:13
Juhaz"rm .gaim/prefs.xml" right after starting xterm should work01:14
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TomCreeranyone got aircrack?01:14
Luriaaircrack-ng is in the main repo, iirc01:14
TomCreercouldnt see it01:15
Emh5945Thank you, that workeed, would pidgin simply be rm .pidgin/prefs.xml or is it different?01:16
sullyaircrack's useless on our devices anyways01:16
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TomCreercan we not inject?01:17
JuhazEmh5945, I think pidgin still uses ~/.gaim for it's configuration so it should already work with that too.01:17
sullyWe cannot inject01:18
sullyI use Kismet on my 770 for the hell of it, but there's no practical use01:18
Luriano injection01:18
Emh5945No it didn't work but i didnt think it would because gaim was working while pidgin wasnt01:18
kreigthere goes my plan for crashing iphones 8)01:18
Luriawell, kismet has use, but is mad buggy01:18
sullyActually I wonder, how does one change the MAC address of the 770/80001:18
Luriawell, kismet has use, but is mad buggy01:19
_Monkeyi already had it that way, Luria.01:19
sullyCan't be done natively? hrm01:19
kreigis lack of injection a hardware limitation?01:19
kreigor driver?01:19
sullyI think nobody's ported it is all01:19
Luriastupid keyboard - ? is shift+arrow key up01:19
sullyThe driver works01:19
JuhazEmh5945, oh, yeah, looks like it's .purple01:19
sullyActually cracking the key would take forever on a 770/800 as well01:19
erstaziyeah, aircrack-ng works great on a laptop01:20
TomCreerah k01:21
TomCreerwhat about airodump?01:21
sullyNo go on airodump01:21
Emh5945Thank you so much, it works01:21
TomCreerhow come?01:21
sullyHasn't been ported01:21
TomCreeraww weak01:21
TomCreer..anyone want a 770 :P?01:21
sullyI haven't done much wireless hacking, but if someone does MAC filtering and you change your MAC to match... are you good?01:21
sullyI see01:22
TomCreeraltho you can have probs if both macs are doing stuff01:22
TomCreerwhen they send ack's etc01:22
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soolekthere's a software on n770 to change MAC01:22
TomCreeri mean.. that'd be more the other person's concern then yours01:22
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TomCreerlove how easy it is to change the MAC on linux01:23
sullyWhat's the command?01:24
TomCreerat work we had some software which was mainly on windows, but they rolled out a linux version too. Their licensing tied it to the mac adress lol01:24
TomCreercan use ifconfig01:25
TomCreerah right, sweet01:25
soolekand there's manual:
TomCreeri'm not very clued up on the 770 dev.. do maemo2/bora apps not work on mistral?01:26
TomCreerif they're even different01:26
soolekbora is it2007 from n80001:27
soolekmistral is n770 it200601:27
TomCreerah.. so bora apps won't work01:27
TomCreerwhat's maemo2?01:27
soolekmaemo2 is it200601:27
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soolekhave a look at this webpage you'll know01:28
TomCreerhas anyone tried compiling gnash for it?01:28
pupnikshould be trivial01:31
sullyok, hmm.01:31
TomCreerassume you can't embed in opera as a true flash replacement tho?01:31
sullySo getting around MAC filtering would mean hopping into Kismet and looking for active APs01:31
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sullyThen you look for associated clients to that AP, and change to match the MAC address01:32
sullyWorth a try sometime01:32
Luriayou know there is a point in one's life01:32
TomCreeralthough potential issues if you're both connected to AP at same time01:32
Luriawhere a man must see himself in the mirror, and think:01:33
Luriaoh shit, my mother finally found my website.01:33
Luriasigh. timeless, you around?01:34
TomCreerffs.. mplayer won't install01:35
TomCreer'couldn't install'01:35
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sullyWhy do people install mplayer anyways?01:35
TomCreerwhat else is good?01:35
TomCreeri had it working before i flashed it anyways01:36
sullyI re-encode my videos for the 770 and play it in the default player01:36
sullyAre you not re-encoding?01:36
TomCreeri am.. but mplayer still has better codecs01:36
TomCreerwell, i assumed so anyway01:36
sullySeems about the same to me01:36
Luriaright, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn?01:37
Luriaright, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn?01:37
sullyno oops, that was worth saying twice!01:37
sullyI can't get road porn, here in Canada we don't believe in affordable data01:37
Luriamplayer, thus, is for porn.01:37
Luriawhat about open APs?01:38
eichiLuria: lol01:38
sullyWe have some of those, but unfortunately free Wifi seems to be mostly a myth01:38
Lurialinksys doesnt translate to canadian?01:38
sullyPeople in Toronto seem to do MAC filtering if nothing else01:39
Luriacause linksys is my provider.01:39
eichii love mplayer because it plays vides fine, which are not re-encoded for the player01:39
TomCreerget some wimax/wibro on the go01:39
TomCreerlike 10mb/s mobile01:39
sullyWe have WiMax deployed here actually. But how would I access that via the 770?01:39
TomCreerhm you wouldn't01:40
Luriai hate genetal herpes commercials.  what kinda actor does that?01:40
TomCreerit's supposed to be integrated in the intel chipsets sooner or later01:40
sullyI saw the news post about the N800 getting Wimax care of Sprint01:40
TomCreerthe SU-O's we have our quite big tho, and take a lot of power01:40
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Luriaoops genital. whatever. damn valtrex commercials.01:40
Luriaque? n800 has wimax?01:41
disqkagu 1.0.6 released!01:41
TomCreernah n800 doesn't01:41
Luriai was hoping that to be the hw easter egg01:41
sullyA revised N800 will01:41
TomCreerif it does i'll upgrade01:42
sully After claims last year to deliver "the first fourth generation (4G) nationwide broadband mobile network," Sprint plans to deliver in 2008 by releasing and supporting a WiMAX-enabled version of the Nokia 800 Internet tablet in select US cities. Sprint also announced that companies such as Intel, LG, Samsung, and Motorola are already developing consumer products that will work with the new 4G network.01:42
Luriaoh fuck me.01:42
disqeditable playlists / album cover view / updated theme / filename parser if no id3 / compilation albums work / also works on the 770!01:42
sullysexy isn't it?01:42
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sullyI almost want to move to the States for that01:43
Luriathere better be a damn upgrade available01:43
pupniknice job disq01:43
TomCreerthere any easy way to add tracks/dirs to the Audio Player pl?01:43
TomCreerdoesn't say what freq wimax tho01:43
sullyI <3 Kagu. I just need to somehow install python 2.501:43
Luriawell, in the end, i still want a a71701:43
disq_Monkey: python2.5?01:43
_Monkeypython2.5 is at!01:43
Luriacant' find them unlocked tho01:44
sullyok I'm gonna give python 2.5 another try and bug you guys for help01:44
TomCreeranyways.. night01:45
Luriaanyone using/used a solar panel with the n800?01:46
sully_Monkey: Kagu?01:47
_MonkeyKagu is
Luria_Monkey, _Monkey?01:47
_Monkeyrumour has it i am an annoying bot01:47
Luriaamen to that01:48
disq_Monkey: google?01:48
_Monkeygoogle is my friend01:48
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Luria_Monkey, manual?01:48
_Monkeyluria: bugger all, i dunno01:48
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disqthe kagu update also includes ogg support, though you'll need to get ogg support working on the n800. (we couldn't, works on the 770 tho)01:50
Luriaanyone using a 3g phone on att/cingular?01:51
Luriawith the iT, obviously01:51
Luria_Monkey, irc?01:53
_Monkeyirc is only a couple of days old for me01:53
Luria_Monkey, freenode?01:53
_Monkeyluria: i don't know01:53
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Luriahmmm what else...01:53
Luria_Monkey, nokia?01:53
_Monkeynokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull01:53
sullydisq: I got a "Unable to install Kagu." error, though the item now appears in my 770's menu01:53
sullyRunning it does nothing01:53
* sully checks the ITT thread for info01:54
Luria_Monkey, iphone?01:54
_Monkeyiphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens01:54
disqsully: 770 or n800?01:54
disqthe gregale repository is not updated yet, so you installed 1.0.5 which is broken on the 77001:55
sullygotcha :)01:55
disqi'm refreshing the repo index, it'll probably get updated in a few minutes, will notify you01:55
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sullythanks, you rock01:56
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disqsully: repo updated now, try again :)02:01
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bmidgleyLuria: i have used a solar with n800... solarport 4.4 w/usb charging cable02:03
bmidgleyLuria: should be even better with a proper auto adapter but i don't have one02:04
sully won't load :|02:04
sullyand just as I say that, it does02:05
sullydisq: It prompted me to install 10.502:05
sullyyou know what I mean02:05
disqyeah. erm02:05
disqi can see the 1.0.6 deb here:
sullyIs it safe to wget that and install locally?02:06
disqcould also download from
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pupnikwow beatrix yuu ahh povahful02:27
disqarg, ukmp's maemoscrobbler support is incomplete02:36
Sulisis there any kind of astronomy software for the n800?02:39
sullyokay, the scanner is working...02:39
sullygot my album covers02:39
sullyhere goes with the player...02:39
pupnikSulis if you find any with a gtk2 interface let us know02:39
sullyuh oh, crashed02:39
Sulispupnik: ah, does that mean you have searched and not found any?02:40
sullyAfter "initializing osso player", it just closed02:40
disqcan you open xterm and run "kagu" from there, to see what happened? (a ssh session would also do but run as user not root)02:40
sullyI'm going to reboot my 77002:40
* sully twiddles his thumbs02:41
sullyFatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Segmentation fault02:41
disqokay. mm.02:42
disqlatest 770 firmware, right?02:42
sullyman it's running slow now02:43
sullycorrect: 3.2006.49-202:43
disqit being the tablet?02:43
_Monkeyrumour has it 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date02:43
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sullyyeah, the 77002:44
disqprobably a stray kagu process running in the background?02:44
disqyou can hunt it down and kill it or just reboot :/ but weird error, could be related to threading (but it works for me)02:44
sullyno stray kagu processes; interesting02:45
disqit is02:45
sullyI got two runtime warnings02:45
pupnikSulis no, but if you find some interesting linux software, it's always fun to try compiling it for ITOS02:45
sullyone for "import cdrom" and one for "import joystick"02:46
disqdon't mind them02:46
sullyyeah I figured those were safe02:46
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Sulispupnik: ah, kay, i'l look around02:46
sp3000"import beer"02:46
sp3000(that would be rather critical)02:47
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Emh5945Is there a way to get swfdec or gnash running with minimo?03:14
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* pupnik is very impressed with square's artists and composers03:41
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MCCobhello :)03:44
MCCobhello guardian ;)03:44
MCCoba and guerby03:44
NeoStrideryou guys know how can I #IFDEF that my app is running on device03:44
MCCob(from France)03:44
infobotNeoStrider meant: you guys know how can I #IFDEF that my app is running on device?03:45
MCCobDoes anyone know if there is a Gmail Notifier for OS 2006 (and N 770) ?03:46
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pupnikifdef is a compile time option, not a runtime option infobot03:48
pupniki mean NeoStrider03:48
MCCobToo late for neostrider I think ;)03:48
pupnikgah i /am/ tired03:49
erstaziMCCob: that would be a neat applet to make, but I am sure there is one out there, have you checked
erstazipupnik, I am tired as well, but you have to be *really* tired being GMT+303:51
MCCobThere is an applet for N800 (OS 2007)03:51
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MCCobbut not for OS 200603:51
erstaziMCCob, I will have to port it then for OS2006 heh03:51
MCCobso cool :)03:51
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pupnik#maemo is one of few places where you can get a port just by asking :)03:52
MCCobOooo !03:52
erstaziwell, I would not mind porting it because I would use it myself03:52
MCCobOk more difficult03:53
MCCobI want the last release of Minimo for OS 200603:53
erstaziMCCob, you said you are from france, is this correct?03:53
MCCobYeah :)03:53
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erstazi_Monkey: tell MCCob about minimo03:53
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erstaziMCCob, _Monkey (a bot) pm'ed you with info about minimo03:54
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MCCobI have minimo03:54
erstaziok nevermind heh03:54
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MCCobbut it isn't the _last_ release ;)03:54
erstazithat would be a project that I would not be able to take on myself03:55
MCCobYep, Minimo is a hard to developp software :)03:55
MCCobbut Gmail notifier must be much easier ! :)03:56
MCCobalso another Question :)03:56
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erstaziMCCob, I am looking at the gmail notifier at this moment, shoot your question03:56
BigMacHey, anyway to uninstall gtalk/stop it from loading on start up?03:57
MCCobI've downloaded GPSDrive deb here :
MCCobbut package make error while installing them03:57
erstaziI haven't messed with GPS yet, so I am not to sure about that one03:57
erstaziMCCob, is it for OS2006 also?03:57
MCCobparticulary maemo-libpcre3_0.0.1_arm.deb03:57
erstaziMCCob, is Gmailmon what you mean?03:58
MCCobGmailmon isn't Gmail Notifier I think but I can be acceptable also ;)03:58
MCCobIf you see what I mean03:58
erstaziyes I do03:58
MCCobcool :)03:59
MCCobI think Gmail Notifier is a software developped by Nokia and released on tableeter03:59
MCCobGmailMon is an application developp for OS 2005 I Think04:00
erstazilet me see if they give source code04:00
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MCCoband GmailMon is available here : but package must be build for OS 200504:03
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MCCoband (finally :) ) I think "official" Gmail Notifier (by Nokia ?) must be better04:03
erstaziMCCob, hmm, it runs on OS2006 though04:04
erstazithe GmailMon,... but I think the Gmail Notifier will be a better choice of course04:04
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MCCobwhen I try to install gmailmon, apt-get visual interface say to me : uncompatible deb (in French), and logs say ; "Package must have "Section: user:FOO" to be considered compatible"04:06
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MCCobso ? :)04:08
MCCobYou found anything about Gmail Notifier ?04:10
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erstaziMCCob, is it mnotify04:11
MCCobyees !04:11
MCCobWe can see it here04:12
erstaziMCCob, its closed source (meaning nokia did not release the source code) but I can attempt to make an applet for it04:13
MCCobThank's a lot04:13
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MCCobWhy Nokia don't relaese source code ! ?04:14
erstazithat would be where the sources would be, I see the debs in the other directory but its not released, or I can ask the maintainer for the source code but it might fall on deaf ears04:14
erstaziMCCob, proprietary04:14
MCCobThey release source code for maemo and no for this ?!04:14
MCCoberstazi, and you, where are you from ?04:14
erstaziMCCob, yes, that happens, not everything is OSS (: I am from the USA04:15
MCCobok :) You will have 2 Ghz wiMax soon with Sprint ;)04:15
MCCobNokia source manager doesn't listen community ?04:16
erstaziMCCob, it doesn't matter what the maintainers opinion was, Nokia made it proprietary and did not release the source code04:17
MCCobok ok ok ;)04:17
MCCobso that's strange...04:17
erstaziMCCob, does the follow URL look interesting?
erstaziI understand you want the gmail notifer in the toolbar at the top04:18
high_rolleris anyone running os2007 on their 770?04:18
MCCobnot me04:18
erstazihigh_roller, some are but not all04:18
erstazihigh_roller, some even dual boot both OS2006 and OS2007HE04:18
high_rolleris it worth it?04:19
erstazihigh_roller, personally, I don't see the worth, I kept OS200604:19
MCCoberstazi> I see that, but I think a Python lib can't solve problem in application manager while problem installing a deb file....04:19
erstaziMCCob, hmm, I am not sure, let me check some more things04:19
high_rollerto dual boot you need a 1gb mem card right?04:19
erstazihigh_roller, its suggested, a 2gb rs-mmc card is only $20 USD last I checked04:20
high_rolleroh nice04:21
MCCob"Realistically, a 512MB memory card."04:21
MCCob"256 Mb MMC card (minimum)"04:21
MCCob"ask google ;)"04:21
MCCob$20 !04:22
high_rolleri'm on my 770 now04:22
high_rollerjust seeing how good chat is04:22
erstazihigh_roller, did you just receive your 770?04:22
high_rolleri got mine from woot04:23
MCCobIn France, a 2 Gb RS-MMC is about 40 € (about $53)04:23
high_rollerabout a month ago04:24
MCCoblike me :)04:24
MCCobso bedtime04:24
MCCobbye !04:24
erstaziMCCob, I will try working on that tonight04:25
erstaziMCCob, but I might get tired myself, talk to you later04:25
MCCobok ok04:26
MCCobI will go back ;)04:26
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MCCob"take your time"04:27
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zodttdHi pupnik. Just heard about the issues you had with cdrmooby04:32
pupnikauthor said he fixed it in 200304:32
zodttdI had other issues with it too04:32
zodttdI landed up reverting to my own "plugin" I wrote. But it did work with .z / .bin04:33
zodttdWhat happens exactly when it fails?04:33
zodttdAlso, for better performance, try Dr Hells Soft GPU ;)04:34
pupnik'Read past EOF'04:34
pupniki have only tested with a few PD isos04:34
pupniktransferring large isos at 200kB/s is a pain04:34
zodttdPCSX also has a BIAS define, edit it to underclock the psx timers04:34
pupnikwell the error only occurs on the small isos04:35
pupnikok will do that04:35
zodttdWeird, but I can see that04:35
pupnikDr. Hells is available for DL?04:35
zodttdI wonder if my dynarec works well on the OMAP, havent tested it on it04:36
pupnikdoes lowering samplerate on the SPU help performance much?04:38
pupniki got rid of stuttering on freesci by going down to 11025 mono on the adlib opl2 synth - sounds surprisingly good04:40
zodttdNot really04:40
zodttdDepends on the SPU though04:40
zodttdYou using Pete's?04:40
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zodttdI used Pete's at first. It can be made faster, as Franxis basically rewrote the SPU for us.04:41
zodttdWhat will be tempting, is when you get a real PSX commercial game running with a BIAS set high04:41
zodttdIt will go through menu's and such very fast04:41
zodttdFrom your 2fps to 20 :P04:41
zodttdProblem is, it makes things extremely incompatible04:42
zodttdWhich is what took me ages to figure out. The counters.c are poorly designed but correctly done04:42
NeoStriderhey folks!!!!04:43
zodttdIf you use that SPU_Async ;)04:43
NeoStriderangstron just got BETA!!!!04:43
NeoStriderfinished everything04:43
NeoStridermade a good packing, bulding the levels inside the .deb04:43
zodttdIf SPU_Async is tied into the root counters of pcsx then it triggers an interrupt way too often04:43
NeoStridervery easy04:43
zodttdNeoStrider: awesome. Congrats RP04:43
yllusSomeone needs to port Zuma to the Nokia ITs :o04:44
zodttdSomeone would need to release the source or get a really freaky recompiler for X86 on ARM, and thats not happenin ;)04:44
zodttdUnfortunately WindowsBox doesnt exist :P04:45
pupniki'll build dr hell into this and take a look at your tips04:45
pupnikbut i'm not going to spend very much time on pcsx04:46
zodttdpupnik: I'm about to get a lot of stuff rewritten in my emulator. I'll try to get you on our SVN when its up.04:46
pupnikdid some work on the config menus04:46
Radarhas no one created the .deb firefox plugins for MicroB yet?04:46
pupnikcool zodttd04:47
NeoStrider770 packaging system doesnt handle checksums?04:48
zodttdTo be honest, if you get about 2 FPS on a N770, I wouldnt worry about fixing it up. It took years to get from PCSX to where psx4all is now. I rather have you manage a psx4nokia port then have you go through the trouble.04:49
zodttdIt was 2 FPS and less when I first ported PCSX to the GP2X though. Sometimes games got 5, that was after some work too.04:49
pupnikyes, i wanted an 'unoptimized baseline psx emulator' so we could compare psx4all to it04:49
zodttdHeh :)04:50
trevarthannew kagu release if you all hadn't noticed yet:
zodttdIm suprised you got PCSX working though, as theres a few bugs and lots of wrong ways of porting it04:51
pupnikit was probably good that i didn't know what i was getting into04:51
zodttdIm still suprised nobody used that OMAP processor overclocker on the Nokia N770/80004:52
pupnikwe have had reports from nokia that they weren't able to get much OCing out of it04:52
zodttdI basically started psx4all when I ported PCSX to the Tapwave Zodiac over one night, and kept trying to improve it until it became something completely different. :P04:53
zodttdAhhh. Could very well be true04:53
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Luriaanyone know how to decompile a vkb file?04:54
pupnikwhat's a good way to stay in touch about splitting-up work on this zodttd ?04:55
pupnikthere are a couple of tricks i can share for fast rendering/blitting04:56
NeoStriderpupnik:  have you worked on the data packages for smw?04:56
NeoStriderI just solved that issue for angstron04:56
pupnikotherwise it's pretty straightforward linux04:56
NeoStrider"one package does it all"04:56
pupnikNeoStrider: for packaging? no04:56
NeoStriderquite easy04:56
pupnikdo you prompt for the data directory?04:57
NeoStriderjust hacked the .deb04:57
NeoStrideradded the filed in ./usr/share/angstron04:57
NeoStriderthe .deb already had the structured...I just dropped the files there04:57
NeoStriderthat you can do in 2 minutes!04:57
pupniki've merged data plus program debs from another game04:57
pupnikbut the right way (imo) is to prompt user for game data directory04:58
pupnikalso with smw there are many user-designed levels, which probably shoudln't go into /usr/share04:59
NeoStridermy plan is to provide to versions04:59
NeoStriderone for the average joe04:59
NeoStriderand other for the power user05:00
NeoStriderthe poweruser version look for datafiles on the mmc card05:00
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* Darksmurf should get his 770 monday :-D I modified a usb keyboard to add a USB A female socket. Worked fine, added more superglue and it dripped into the connector. Have to re-do the work :-(05:04
vmarkssuperglue is brittle. I would have used a hotmelt that has some flex to it.05:05
vmarks /marthastewart05:06
DarksmurfGood idea. I'll give that a go when I rip this out and fix it.05:06
DarksmurfI'm worried how well it will adhere (sp?) to the metel of the usb connector.05:06
vmarksthere are hotmelts that do good metal adherence.05:07
BigMacHey, anyway to uninstall gtalk/stop it from loading on start up?05:07
Luriawow. yanks are only four back.05:08
erstaziso, I think porting a statusbar app to OS2006 from OS2007 wasn't going to be this difficult but I am surprised by the required libraries and 100% of them are in need of update, but if they released the source code, I could start from scratch05:14
Luriasomehow it seems that microb has gotten worse when it comes to scrolling (with the obvious exception of the keyboard popup thing)05:14
NeoStriderhey guys, check it out!05:16
pupnikwill do NeoStrider05:17
trevarthanLuria: yeah, and all you need to do to crash microb is visit ITT and browse around a bit. then boom!05:20
Luriai got a better one05:22
Luriaanyone wanna test a bug? dunno if it's filed.05:22
Luriagot to gmail, type in your name, hit tab to switch fields, type in your password05:24
erstaziI got a better one, install an app through ssh with unmet libraries and you cannot use applicaton manager on your tablet05:25
Luriapassword should appear as plaintext in key/thumb board05:25
Luriawell, i was talking about fixable things in microb. the pack manager is beyond help.05:27
erstaziLuria, haha I am just playing, but that did happen though05:27
Luriai should reread that arrl book. i think im gonna take the technician test tomorrow05:30
Luriaanyone still use gizmo on the n800?05:36
rwhitbyLuria: I do05:40
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user__anyone running orb?05:42
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Luriarwhitby, if i may ask, why?05:44
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rwhitbycause it uses the standard SIP protocol, rather than a proprietary Skype protocol, and it's EULA doesn't require me to allow Skype to use my computer and network to route other people's calls.05:45
rwhitbySince it's SIP, it interoperates with a softphone on my laptop, a hardware ATA adapter at my home, and a usb handset attached to an NSLU2, and the Gizmo presence client that runs on my Treo650.05:47
rwhitby(and any of the other million different things that interoperate with the open IETF SIP standard.05:48
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Luriaoh - you misunderstand me05:49
Luriai understand why you use sip05:49
Luriabut i would have thought most here would have switched to rtcomm05:49
Luriai was just wondering if any n800 users are still using the full client05:50
rwhitbyah, I have loaded rtcomm, but haven't really tested it out yet.05:51
rwhitby(sorry for the misunderstanding)05:51
Luriano prob. i've ranted against skype a few times too ;-)05:52
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RocketmanAny ORB users here?05:57
erstaziRocketman, user_ is an orb user (:05:57
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BigMacRocketman: Yah, just set i up today06:05
BigMacAnyone know if any bluetooth headsets work with the 770 yet?06:06
RocketmanDo you have volume issues with video in Orb, sometimes?06:08
BigMacYes, it is very low06:09
BigMacI usually just pop in headphones, then it sounds fine06:09
Rocketmanyeah, I have the volume at max most the time and can hardly hear it06:10
BigMacRocketman: Yup, just plug in some headphones06:10
Rocketman...but I like my speakers!06:11
BigMacRocketman: Ah, ok06:11
RocketmanI also get a "Video resolution not supported" message when using MicroB06:13
yllusThat'll teach you.06:14
RocketmanI have to use Opera to get it to work06:14
BigMacSo is there any headset support for the 770?06:15
BigMacwired or not06:15
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Luriacan someone dcc me a smoke?06:39
Blacksitogcc on n800?06:40
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erstaziLuria: pall mall 100?06:40
BigMacthere ya go06:40
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Luriaill take whatever06:41
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else58Anybody know why ping is root only?07:17
else58I get "ping: permission denied.  (are you root?)"07:17
else58and it works fine as root07:18
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Luriayou could add it to sudoers07:23
Luriaor just su ping07:23
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else58Thanks, will do.07:28
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BigMacSo is there any headset support for the 770?07:39
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Luriahmm... this is actually one of the larger freenode channels. interesting.07:48
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kreigelse58: ICMP packet creation usually requires root prics, that is why ping requires root.  On many systems it is setuid root, or used to be back in the day08:00
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else58kreig, strange, I've only seen ping flood restricted...08:14
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BigMacSo is there any headset support for the 770?08:22
rikhi all.08:32
_Monkeyhi all. is, like, there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye08:32
* rik peers at _Monkey 08:32
rik_Monkey: status08:32
_MonkeySince Sat Aug 11 20:55:03 2007, there have been 747 modifications and 204 questions.  I have been awake for 8 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes, 18 seconds this session, and currently reference 4135 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.08:32
riki thought so. i suspect that was one of my comments, too :(08:33
riki know that the answer is no, so far.08:33
rik_Monkey: forget hi all.08:33
_Monkeyrik, I didn't have anything matching hi all08:33
* rik shrugs08:33
rikso, anyone know anything about canola, and the codecs it can use? lovely interface, but doesn't appear to be able to see any of my video files.on the other hand, mplayer, with its sucky interface, shows me my media and plays it. what's the deal with canola?08:34
Luria_Monkey, nokia?08:37
_Monkeynokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull08:37
Luriai dunno who did that but it's so nonsensical to be absurd.08:38
Luriaabsurd = amusing08:39
BigMacSo is there any headset support for the 770?08:41
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timelyrik: hi all and friends are greetings08:44
timelythey're a different module08:44
rikthey are?08:44
rikwell. that would make sense.08:44
rikwhat are the modules called? :)08:44
timelyLuria: fwiw, I wouldn't call any of the betas "parts of chinook"08:46
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timelythat presumes you or someone else understands what chinook will be. and even I don't08:46
timelysparr: I haven't seen *any* testing of dist-upgrade, so I doubt it.08:47
Luriawell, iirc, rtcomm describes itself that way08:47
Luriabtw, timely, the password cleartext thing is a known microb bug, yes?08:50
timely_Monkey: literal pidgins08:51
_Monkeytimely: pidgins =are= flying rats in NYC08:51
pigeonkoo koo08:52
riktimely: what are the canola codec packages called? nothing obvious showed up in package manager when searching for canola.08:52
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Luriaoh... case in point:
Luria"This software will be officially included in maemo 4.0 Chinook release."08:54
Luriapigeon, why are you always lying around dead with your guts hanging out in central park?08:55
pigeonthat wasn't me, i swear, that was just my clone...08:55
timely_Monkey: forget pidgins08:56
_Monkeytimely: I forgot pidgins08:56
timely_Monkey: literal irc08:56
_Monkeytimely: irc =is= only a couple of days old for me08:56
timely_Monkey: forget irc08:56
_Monkeytimely: I forgot irc08:56
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timely_Monkey: irc is Internet Relay Chat,, if you can see this message, you're using it.08:56
_MonkeyOK, timely.08:56
Luria_Monkey, nokia?08:56
_Monkeyi heard nokia was in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull08:56
timely_Monkey forget nokia08:57
_Monkeytimely: I forgot nokia08:57
Luriawhat did that even mean?08:57
timely_Monkey Nokia is a company. It also sponsors maemo using sales of N800s. Buy one. Buy two!08:57
_MonkeyOK, timely.08:57
timelysearch for the string08:58
timelyCharbax said it about 1/6th into the log08:58
Luriare: what?08:59
timely"what did that ever mean"08:59
timely_Monkey learns by passively listening08:59
_Monkeytimely: i'm not following you...08:59
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timely95% of all knowledge in the bot should appear in this channel's log08:59
timelyyou can do private address in /query, which wouldn't appear in the log09:00
timelyand you can do =~ s/x/y/ replacement which would mean the log wouldn't show exact matches to the resultant string. But most people don't09:00
timelyheck, even I don't most of the time09:00
* rik uninstalls canola and reinstalls, not certain that he rebooted after install, before testing.09:04
Luriaer... timely, about that microb thing?09:04
Luriaits a known bug?09:04
timelyfwiw, I'm going to try to file bugs I know about into bugs.maemo so people won't have to ask me if I know about bugs :).09:06
Luriaoh. go to a site, tap to enter your user name, hit tab on the keyboad to go to the password entry box (not tap)09:06
Luriait goes clear09:07
timelyvkb or fkb?09:07
Luriafkb, and autocomplete09:07
Luriafor vkb09:07
Luriago to and try09:07
timelyi need to go to work, we haven't shipped microb for 770 and that's all i have handy amt09:08
Luriatype in some random name with vkb and hit tab on the vkb09:08
Luriaive been trying to find someone to replicate this, but no one listens to me :-(09:08
timelyi'll be at work in ~20mins09:09
Luriaits really a vkb problem, but if you switch from vkb to fkb, the text is displayed09:11
timelyanyway. i'm off, i'll grab a device at work and have you guide me through steps09:11
timelybtw, does: data:text/html,<input><input type=password>09:11
timelywork as a testcase?09:11
timelyit's preferred over something annoying like gmail09:11
Luriai just noticed it09:12
Luriai assume its because the tap registers in a non hidden field and then never checks again b/c a keypress shifts the input field09:13
Luriarather than another tap09:13
timelyheh, great09:13
Luriaso the text is starred in the field, but the password displays on the bottom of the screen :-(09:14
Luriaunder the vkb, of course09:14
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Luria.8-3, btw09:15
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BigMacSo is there any headset support for the 770?09:31
sparrits so sad that dist-upgrade doesnt just work09:36
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timelessluria: ok, i'm at work09:42
timelessi'm /slowly/ trying to install microb09:42
timelesslooks like i get to file bugs as i go09:42
timelesseach bug takes 10mins minimum to file, this may take a while09:42
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Luriai understand09:46
BigMacI find it hard to believe nobody has any idea if headsets work...09:46
Luriadont have a 770, and most of the channel is asleep09:48
rikgah. i uninstalled canola to reinstall, because i don't remember rebooting. now it won't reinstall. about 3/4 of the way in it stop with "cannot install canola"09:49
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Luriai like ukmp09:53
BigMacLuria: I have been asking for most of the day09:53
sparri have a 77009:54
sparrand i have no idea if headsets work09:54
sparrby which i assume you mean bluetooth headsets09:54
sparrrik: install from a console09:54
BigMacI have been asking since 11 at the least09:54
BigMacor if there is a wired alternative09:54
BigMacI don't really care, I just need a headset for gizmo09:55
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kulveBigMac: afaik, at least no bt headset support09:55
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BigMackulve: But ebay has headsets for the 770 supposedly09:56
BigMacso I am not sure which to go by09:57
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Luriatimeless, im about to head off to sleep... you see what i was talking about?10:01
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kulveBigMac: have you found any article/blog/whatever with google saying that the bt headset works?10:03
BigMacNope, not of the few I have seen10:06
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Luriaah, how you do manage glib and deeply insightful at the same time.10:21
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timelessluria: sorry, got stuck w/ a more pressing problem10:27
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rikso my issue is:10:30
rikchage: can't open shadow password fileStopped: `/usr/bin/chage -M 99999 avahi' returned error code 1. Exiting.10:30
rikthat's while installing avahi as part of canola.10:31
riknot sure what could cause it though. i'm too much of a newbie.10:31
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AD-N770good morning11:07
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timelessmn #dreamhost yet another pastebin??11:12
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mk8Hi to all11:33
guardianhi maemo11:34
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timelessDescription: MicroB engine for OSSO browser11:34
timeless This package depends on all the packages necessary to install the MicroB engine.11:34
timeless .11:34
timeless Installing this package should change the default engine from Opera to MicroB.11:34
timeless You can change between engines by selecting another engine from the Set Engine11:34
timeless menu in the application menu and restarting the browser. The menu does not11:34
timeless indicate the current engine. Load about: in the browser to determine your11:34
timeless current engine.11:34
timelesshow bad does that sound?11:34
AD-N770good morning11:35
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timelessDescription: MicroB engine for OSSO browser11:38
timeless This package depends on all the packages necessary to install the MicroB11:38
timeless engine- Based on the Mozilla Gecko rendering engine which will be part of11:38
timeless Firefox 3.11:38
timeless .11:38
timeless Installing this package should change the default engine from Opera to MicroB.11:38
timeless You can change between engines by selecting another engine from the Set Engine11:38
timeless menu in the application menu and restarting the browser. The menu does not11:38
timeless indicate the current engine. Load about: in the browser to determine your11:39
timeless current engine.11:39
* timeless looks for someone to wordsmith or nitpick or something11:39
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keesj:P not me ;P11:42
timelessDescription: MicroB engine for OSSO browser11:42
timeless This package depends on all the packages necessary to install the MicroB11:42
timeless engine. MicroB is based on the Mozilla Gecko rendering engine which will be11:42
timeless part of Firefox 3.11:42
timeless .11:42
timeless Installing this package should change the default engine from Opera to MicroB.11:42
timeless You can change between engines by selecting another engine from the Set Engine11:42
timeless menu in the application menu and restarting the browser. The menu does not11:42
timeless indicate the current engine. Load about: in the browser to determine your11:42
timeless current engine.11:43
timelessis what i've settled on11:43
keesjbtw I solved my browser not working issue by removing the .browser file11:43
timelesspeople w// objections should speak now, or hold their peace for at least one release11:43
timelesskeesj: interesting11:43
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keesjone I saw it worked I tried to find out what was wrong with the .browser file. the problem is that I have lost it by now :( , I think there where lines like browser=opera and some storage location /media/mmc2 . I do have a codedump + log message but I guess thats of no use :(11:46
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timelesstheoretically i can get someone to investigate those11:47
timelesshowever, we're not spending any time on opera11:47
timelessso if it was an opera related crash, i mostly have deaf ears available11:48
timelesssorry :)11:48
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keesjI don't think I was using opera, at least I was not trying :p11:48
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timelesswell, provide a url and i'll find someone to look. log + coredump is best if you have11:49
timelessmessage shared..11:50
* timeless sighs11:50
timeless2. configure and enable wifi access to the internet11:50
timelessthat step isn't as easy to do as it was to write into my bug report11:50
rikhm. i wonder why avahi is failing to install11:55
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keesjtimeless: I managed to "recover" the .browser file. now when I try to reproducs the bug the .browser file gets overridden any tips to prevent that?12:04
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keesjok if I boot and copy the .browser file over the existing and start my browser I get the internal error. Appication 'Web' closed12:06
keesjthis is my file when it fails , perhaps something is running out ot sync?
timelesswell, w/ engine=opera, i'd *assume* that it's loading opera12:07
timelessstrace -f would tell12:07
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keesjany I am very happy it works! and having a good open-source browser in the embeded world was really a missing link!12:12
timelessoh, detail12:13
timelesswhen the browser quits, it overwrites .browser12:13
timelessso *never* try to change the file while it's running :)12:13
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keesjcan't touch this la la la la. the ajax drag-drop demo page crashes on me :p12:17
timelesssomeone complained about that12:18
timelesslemme file my bug about application manager sucking first12:18
timelessoh, doh12:19
timelessno wonder this didn't work12:19
* timeless was trying to install on 3.200712:19
* timeless already has microb on 3.200712:19
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timeless in case people were curious12:25
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timelessfwiw, the first stack you gave was a crash in opera12:52
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Tu13esI just got an idea15:00
Tu13esnot sure if it's silly15:00
Tu13esbut, it would be handy if, while I was on my PC and I came across something I wanted to view on my tablet, if I could do a "send link to tablet" or something15:00
Tu13esI guess I could just IM it to myself15:01
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timelessyou could use google bookmarks :)15:11
timelessor you could use any web2.0 bookmark sharing service15:11
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Tu13esyeah, but like, it would be nice if I could just click a button or such and have it appear on the tablet's clipboard without having to do anything15:13
timelesspersonally i like having the ability to add "reformat my computer" buttons to my clipboard15:15
timelessso i can accidentally paste the command to do that15:15
timelessi mean, you're free to implement it, but it's a fairly bad idea15:16
melmothdid you all just receive a 'You have been unsubscribed from the maemo-users mailing list' as well ?15:16
timelessi wasn't subscribed15:16
timelessdo i have to be subscribed to get an unsubscribed message?15:16
melmothi was,and just received one of those.15:16
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kulveTu13es: ssh myn800 dbus-send the-message-mentioned-in-maemo-list-to-open-link-in-browser15:17
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kulveRe: Launching browser from Xterm15:18
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CyorxampLo, hypathetical quesion! :D  I just bought the E65 and will buy the N800 soon (I had a change of heart)...15:25
CyorxampCould I get the E65 to connect to 3G, the N800 gets that via BT... and the N800 broadcasts it via WiFi15:26
Cyorxampi.e. a wi-fi access point or simply just ad-hoc15:26
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kulveCyorxamp: you would need to compile a kernel with nat support, but otherwise I think it shouldn't be a problem..15:27
kulvewith ad-hoc15:27
Cyorxampeasier said than done :D15:27
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CyorxampI like the sound of it tho, a portable wifi router :D15:27
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CyorxampI'm going to put it down to a 'No' for now - I'm not exactly a linux kernel expert15:28
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kulveI'm sure somebody can compile it for you. It's not a big deal though. I think there's a wiki page in about compiling the kernel15:30
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CyorxampNo it sounds like a dreadful 'adventure' that will only end in tears15:32
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CyorxampAt the least the first part isn't a problem right?  The N800 getting the internet over BT from the 3G connected E6515:34
timelessat least generally speaking15:34
Cyorxampyes it is a problem?15:34
timelessmy n800 and 770 get access from my e61i15:34
timeless"yes it isn't a problem"15:34
Cyorxampaha :D15:34
timeless"no, it isn't a problem"15:35
CyorxampCool, I've worked out a deal with O2 that I get unlimited 3G access for £8.51 a month15:35
timelessask a poorly worded question, get dozens of equivalently poorly worded answers :)15:35
CyorxampSo the N800 can almost constantly be online on the go15:35
CyorxampQ: 'isn't a problem' A: No15:35
CyorxampDon't insult me15:36
timelesserr, sorry, yeah, "no" was the more correct answer15:36
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jonekhi, where kan I find the hardware specs in the maemo wiki? IIRC they have been there before the new site came15:36
timelessnew site?15:36
joneknew design15:37
* Cyorxamp gives timeless a chocolate muffin15:37
timelessjonek:try clicking the search link to the left of wiki15:37
Cyorxampok another question, Nokia has said that for stereo bluetooth headsets to work... the device needs to support the AD-2P profile but the E65 / N800 doesn't - any ideas on if the N800 ever will, is this another kernel level thing?15:38
timelessam i the only one who gets what looks ilke a 404 there? :()15:38
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timelesssomething claims kaju cna do that??15:40
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disqkagu can do that15:40
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timelessnote that "kaju" is some misspelling i copied from the web :)15:41
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timeless"cna" is my own15:41
Cyorxamp"128 MiniSD with extender included in sales package" - i.e. the MiniSD needs an adapter to work, but microSD, SD, and MMC doesn't ?15:42
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timelessmicro needs 2 adapters :)15:43
timelessit comes w/ a minisd card and a mini=>sd adapter15:43
timelessif you have a micro thing, you need either micro=>mini + included mini=>sd15:43
timelessor a micro->sd15:43
timelessand yes, i've used both15:43
Cyorxampthe E65 is micro only - so I'm thinking of getting a big microSD card for both15:44
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timelessthe last 4 i got were 2g micros15:44
Cyorxampi.e. for storing data like music/videos15:44
timelessthere's no reason to get something other than micro in my book15:44
Cyorxampif I wanted the OS on the other card slot - what kind of card is best / size15:44
timelesswell, ok, there's 115:44
kulveCyorxamp: you can also browse stuff from your phone over bt15:44
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timelessif you want a 1g rsmmc for compat between 770+n80015:44
kulveand over upnp at home..15:44
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timelessbut otherwise, yeah, micro15:44
Cyorxampkulve - nah this is if I don't want to take the N800 but want access to the music I'd platy on the N80015:44
Cyorxamptimeless: So micro for both the removable one I can play with... and also for the 'always-in' operating system installed on it card15:45
timelessunless there's some huge price difference15:46
timelessand when i've priced it, they've all been the same15:46
Cyorxampok what size to you recommend for the latter?  given the software can't be that big in size15:46
timelessgenerally i switch internal/external/phone interchangably15:46
Cyorxampunless its massive DOOM WAD files :D15:46
timelessi bought 2gs they were tolerbaly priced and i dind't mind so much having them destroyed15:46
timelessi wouldn't buy bigger than 2g though15:46
timelessnote: i'm a browser dev, i don't have any use for bigger15:47
CyorxampI'll probably buy a couple of 2gb ones then with micro to SD adapters15:47
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timelessi don't listen to music, i don't collect videos, ...15:47
Cyorxampsave the fuss of two adapters15:47
kulve4g cards are officially supported too, right?15:47
timelessi believe so, yes15:47
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timelessbut i think the price point isn't there15:48
timelessand you wouldn't like losing it15:48
Cyorxamp"Supports memory cards up to 8GB. SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible."15:48
disqnon-sdhc 4gig cards (they exist) also work, i have one15:48
CyorxampIs it easy to move the IT OS to the microSD card?15:48
timelessif 4g has a better price point and you can figure out the standards, well....15:48
CyorxampI take it all the onboard memory would be solely used as RAM15:48
kulveCyorxamp: pretty easy15:48
timelessram is ram in this device15:48
Cyorxampa howto / guide I take it?15:48
timelessit's  not some confused palm device :)15:48
disqram and flash space are different15:49
timelessit just confuses users by calling everything "memory"15:49
kulveCyorxamp: yes there are wikis, but don't do it because of getting more RAM ;)15:49
Cyorxampso the 128mb DDR RAM is only used as swappable memory - never for storage of files15:49
kulveyou can enable swap on the mmc card..15:50
timelesskeep in mind that if your os isn't on flash and you remove the card, bad things would happen :)15:50
Cyorxampso I don't gain anything having it on the SD?15:50
kulvein that sense..15:50
kulveI did it to have a development rootfs on mmc15:50
timelesswell, flash is formatted jffs2 which has "interesting" performance characteristics15:50
CyorxampSee I'm uses to my zaurus :D when the OS is on the SD - I can use what was being used onboard as extra RAM15:50
timelessand the mmcs have different speed and can use a different fs15:50
kulveyeah, rootfs on sdhc card is faster than in the flash15:51
CyorxampAnyone care to bottom line this?  I'm getting quite confused15:51
timelesshazard: remove the os mmc and your device panics15:51
Cyorxamp:P thanx15:51
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timelessbenefits: card is faster and can be ext2 or something instead of jffs215:51
timelesscon: nokia doesn't support it15:51
kulven800: 256M flash storage, 128M ram, 2 sd slots for memory cards (storage)15:52
Cyorxampkulve: I know that15:52
kulvewhat's there to bottom line then :)15:52
CyorxampSo the only benefit is a choice in filesystem, I don't gain any extra performance excecpt maybe the card will be faster15:52
timelessthere are two independent speedups15:53
Cyorxampok question then... if the 256mb FLASH is non-writable for the OS in case of hard-reset15:53
CyorxampAnd the 128mb is RAM only15:53
timelessone is from not playing w/ jffs215:53
CyorxampWhere are settings stored?15:53
Cyorxampi.e. /home15:53
timelessthe other is that flash is slower than whatever sd15:53
kulveand with bootmenu you can have a "backup" system that you can boot into if you brake the other one15:53
Cyorxamp:( you've both talking15:53
timelessthe internal flash is generally not "readonly"15:54
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timelessthere's a small section which is "hard" to rewrite15:54
Cyorxamptimeless: so why can't it be used as extra ram?15:54
timelessbut the rest of it is mutable15:54
timelesswell, it isn't ram15:54
timelessand it's slower than your mmc15:54
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timelessso if you want swap, it'd be better to use the sd/mmc15:54
timelessand it isn't ram, so it isn't addressable as ram <period>15:55
kulveCyorxamp: flash and ram are different chips, you can't choose what yo use them for..15:55
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Cyorxampso if I put the OS on the 2gb microSD, and use the 128mb DDR RAM - the 256mb basically gets used for nothing?15:55
timelessit's slower than the free space on your 2g microsd15:55
CyorxampBut is handy in case of hard-reset?15:55
timelesswell, not hard reset15:55
CyorxampRight, tis a bit different to a zaurus then15:56
timelessbut say in case you fry your sd :)15:56
kulvesame as on your PC. If you boot your Linux/Windows from an MMC card, nobody uses your harddrive..15:56
kulvethere is no hardreset15:56
sp3000except the gremlins15:56
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Cyorxampdoes anyone have a linky to one of these guides?16:01
Cyorxampi.e. partitioning plus moving the OS16:01
_Monkeyi guess is ok here, but is down (and has been down for several hours)16:01
Cyorxampkulve: tis a big site :P16:01
kulvegoogle :)16:01
disq_Monkey: ITT16:01
pupnik_ITT forums16:02
_Monkeyrumour has it ITT is
Cyorxampthats bigger16:02
_MonkeyITT forums is probably
Cyorxampbasically... No16:02
kulveCyorxamp: google: " rootfs mmc"16:02
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Phil770_you want to move the rootfs to mmc ?16:02
Phil770_is that really a good idea ?16:02
kulvePhil770_: depends what you want16:03
pupnik_to copy a current system over to mmc that's a good way to do it16:03
CyorxampI'm told its quicker to run off MMC/SD16:03
Phil770_oh, really ?16:03
kulveCyorxamp: helps on the boot time. I think in normal use the difference isn't big16:03
timelessok, so, garage.maemo is down again?16:03
pupnik_stupid question, if i install a mmcplus kernel, can i multiboot to it2006 and 2007he with it?16:04
kulvetimeless: seems so..16:04
kulvepupnik_: if they have the same kernel and initfs then yes16:04
kulvebut I'm not sure if they have..16:04
timeless_monkey forget maemo.org16:04
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot maemo.org16:04
kulveI think the HE has modified initfs..16:04
timeless_monkey is <reply>16:05
_MonkeyOK, timeless.16:05
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kulve_Monkey: forget kulve16:05
_Monkeykulve: I forgot kulve16:05
timelesswhy'd you do that?16:05
CyorxampAnother question :D  The zaurus came with a nice linux OS - then people didn't like it and made a boat load of branches off it and even total reworks16:05
CyorxampSince you lot are the community and support the official16:05
kulvetimeless: because it was throwing .. stuff .. at me..16:05
CyorxampWill there be other distro's ?16:06
timelesskulve is <reply>16:06
timelesskulve: but it'll learn the next thing someone says about you16:06
timeless_monkey: kulve is helpful16:06
_Monkey...but kulve is <reply>...16:06
timelessif you want it to shut up, that's how16:06
pupnik_nice - Cyorxamp yes, openrox and kde are being experimented with16:07
lardmankulve: If you look at example test8, it does appear that each task runs to completion, then the next one with the highest priority is run16:07
CyorxampKDE just a desktop enviro tho16:07
pupnik_althouth 'distro' doesn't really apply16:07
kulvelardman: I can run dsp src & dsp sinks at the same time16:07
Cyorxampso just different interfaces for same OS?16:07
lardmankulve: Yes, because they are probably fifo ordered16:08
kulvelardman: and there is some audio prosessing tasks too running, so there are usually several tasks running at the same time ("simultaneously")16:08
lardmankulve: Do your tasks ever block and wait for something ?16:08
Cyorxamppupnik_ ?16:08
_Monkeyi guess pupnik_ is right, you can use a proxy to get rid of the error messages16:09
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timeless_monkey forget pupnik_16:09
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot pupnik_16:09
pupnik_Cyorxamp: i think they come as a full rootfs16:09
timeless_monkey pupnik_ is <reply>16:09
_MonkeyOK, timeless.16:09
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Cyorxampok ... why would anyone want to! ?16:10
pupnik_monkey pupnik is <reply>16:10
_Monkey...but pupnik is here...16:10
pupnik_Monkey forget pupnik16:10
_Monkeypupnik: I forgot pupnik16:10
pupnik_Monkey pupnik is <reply>16:10
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.16:10
pupnikCyorxamp: to experiment and play16:10
Cyorxampis maemo true debian, i.e 'apt-get' fun etc... ?16:11
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timelessapt-get breakworld16:11
Cyorxampdo you see maemo becoming more than just for Nokias purposes16:11
pupnikit uses apt, it's not official debian though16:11
pupnikyes new devices are coming based off maemo16:11
Cyorxampnon-nokia!? :D16:11
kulvelardman: no. It just asks for next buffer and then the function is exited16:11
pupnikyes, 'intel MID'16:12
kulveand it works for 30-90 secs before jamming..16:12
lardmankulve: When it asks for the next buffer and stops processing, a mailbox request is passed to ARM, then once filled back to the DSP to add to the queue16:12
Cyorxampok if nokia N800 comes with 'Internet Tablet 2007' - if the N800 came as a blank slate, what would you put on it?  'Maemo' ?16:12
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lardmankulve: At that point, the next task in the queue will be handled, rather than the one that just made the request16:13
Cyorxampi.e. can they be seen as two different OS's?  i.e. one that is proprietary and one that is not16:13
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kulveCyorxamp: not really16:13
Jaffapupnik: No, the MID devices aren't using Maemo, they're based on Red Flag Linux. They are, however, using the Hildon Desktop (the most visible part of Maemo)16:13
pupnikJaffa: ok thanks for the correction16:13
Cyorxampkulve: the IT comes with a multitude of things that are not in the spirit of debian or GNU/Linux16:13
kulvebut you need some closed source stuff to get it running.. :/16:14
kulvemaemo is just a community16:14
Cyorxampmp3 ability, google talk, skype, etc...16:14
kulvelardman: yes16:14
CyorxampSo theres no alternative 'Free' OS?16:14
kulveCyorxamp: hmm..16:14
Cyorxamplike IT is the RedHat and Maemo is the Fedora16:14
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kulveI think you can't get e.g. wlan working without the closed source binary driver16:15
CyorxampSo theres a good chance that just like the original Zaurus 'ROM' got abandoned when Sharp moved on - this will be too16:15
lardmankulve: I'm looking at how to get a vorbis callback for more file data to be able to return immediately, as the code expects16:16
lardmanCyorxamp: Nokia do actually give updates, which is a lot more than Sharp did16:16
JaffaCyorxamp: there are installable images of GPE, Poky and Angstrom which are "alternative" free OSes. There are varying degrees of success here as no-one's felt the need to work around some of the still-closed bits.16:16
kulveCyorxamp: they are even going to publish new hacker update for 770..16:16
CyorxampWell OpenZaurus (basically Angstom) is what I use on my zaurus now16:17
Cyorxampsince the original Sharp OS is abandoned16:17
CyorxampNokia seems intent on keeping a strong grip then given the closed bits16:18
JaffaOf course, Nokia could pull the plug on future updates or go bust (!) - then the community will have an incentive to produce a fully open OS. Currently, there's no real desire, except on the fringes, so no effort.16:18
lardmanCyorxamp: If Sharp had released a more modern kernel (and updates, etc.), then the OS development may not have proceeded so fast16:18
JaffaCyorxamp: I don't think it's strategic. It's just inertia. Most of Nokia management still don't "get" OSS.16:19
CyorxampSeems convenient, we get a Linux PDA that _actually_ works and is moden.... in return! Nokia get a community to do the development for free for them16:19
* pupnik points to his 'actually working' 77016:19
Cyorxampsomething just smells a bit off16:20
pupniklardman and jaffa said it best16:20
lardmankulve: Semaphores may be the answer to my problems16:20
JaffaNokia currently aren't getting any development done for free either (one of the problems, TBH)16:20
CyorxampI've been burned twice now... one by HP for dropping the Jornada range when I bought their latest PDA/Phone... and then Sharp for ditching things and going back to Japan16:20
lardmanCyorxamp: Which model do you have?16:21
CyorxampI doub't nokia paid for (example) Pidgin to be ported16:21
kulvelardman: sounds like a deadlock ;)16:21
pupnikbuying a product doesn't mean 'free upgrades for life'16:21
Cyorxamplardman: Jornada was a 928, Zaurus is a SL-550016:21
lardmankulve: I'll have to be careful :)16:21
JaffaCyorxamp: no, but neither did Ubuntu or Microsoft (other OSes I use Pidgin), so I don't see the point.16:21
lardmanCyorxamp: Ah, so an old one then. I have one of those too16:21
JaffaThe 770/N800 *are* the most open pocketable Linux devices money can buy. Nokia aren't showing any signs of taking their ball away entirely, although opening up the OS2007on770 development so more people can get involved would be handy.16:22
CyorxampOk, last thing on this point... A bit of a hands up jobby - Who thinks Nokia will continue there 'Linux' efforts enough to start replacing what would normally be symbian ?16:22
lardmankulve: Take a look at this:
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lardmanIt will take some considerable time for that to ever happen16:23
Cyorxampwhat I said u mean?16:23
JaffaAnd such disparate parts of the business...16:23
lardmanThey have a large investment (people, time, money - part ownership) in Symbian16:23
JaffaI wouldn't bet on it in the next 3 years (i.e. short term). Longer term... dunno.16:23
kulvelardman: looks interesting. I'll need to read that later, now I'm off16:23
lardmankulve: Ok, one thing to add16:24
lardmankulve: tsk_yield() may implement time slicing16:24
CyorxampMy bet is on the N800 going to the dump in years to come16:24
CyorxampBut unfortunately its the best going at the moment16:24
lardmankulve: from the kernel side, so I may be wrong about tasks running to completion16:24
JaffaCyorxamp: years? perhaps. But years is a long time in IT ;)16:25
kulvelardman: ok, that may help with the tremor case.. Maybe I need to check that tremor stuff too, since my speex isn't making progress now..16:25
lardmankulve: let me know what issues you're having later on16:25
Cyorxampok another question!! :P , Nokia has said that for stereo bluetooth headsets to work... the device needs to support the AD-2P profile but the E65 / N800 doesn't - any ideas on if the N800 ever will, is this another kernel level thing?16:25
kulvewith tremor?16:25
kulvelardman: or with speex?16:25
lardmanwith Speex16:25
kulveI posted them to dspgw mailing list..16:26
lardmanhmm, that list is full of spam, I'll see if I can find your post16:26
lardmanor perhaps I'm thinking of the Ti Linux tools list...?16:26
kulvewell, I haven't received yet anything from there but my posts and replies to it..16:26
JaffaCyorxamp: there is third party support for A2DP (i.e. Bluetooth stereo headphones), but it is more CPU intensive as it doesn't use the DSP. There is a pretty GUI for it though.16:26
Jaffa_Monkey: tell Cyorxamp about Kagu16:26
Cyorxampthe media player?16:27
_Monkeythe media player is sooo shit!16:27
Jaffa_Monkey: forget the media player16:27
_MonkeyJaffa: I forgot media player16:27
lardmanI'm planning on looking at a2dp on the DSP - I just bought a headset for testing16:27
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Jaffalardman: cool16:27
Cyorxamphow very iPhone16:27
JaffaI've got headphones too. Not tried them yet as they were delivered to my office and I'm on holiday for a week :-/16:27
lardmanJaffa: But it will be ARM->DSP->ARM as I don't know how to access the BT chip from the DSP side16:27
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Jaffalardman: if it's even possible to...16:28
lardmanJaffa: I found the tempo of the music varied quite alot, sounds pretty rubbish16:28
Cyorxampso eventually it'll get supported?16:28
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lardmanJaffa: I hope it's bg load that caused that16:28
CyorxampI rang Nokia and they said the E65 may get an update in time to support A2DP16:28
lardmanCyorxamp: It's on Nokia's ToDo list16:28
Cyorxampbut he couldn't comment on the N80016:28
* Jaffa can use them with his phone too, though16:28
JaffaCyorxamp: no, not "eventually". It works now. It's also on Nokia's roadmap for proper support.16:29
Cyorxampumm, the headset for the N800 - its a mic/speaker yeah for voip? does it have a button for accept/reject calls?16:29
* Jaffa doesn't moan that XP can't do SSH natively: I just get puTTY16:29
lardmanCyorxamp: yes16:30
Cyorxampbut can't be used on a normal nokia as its a normal 3 channel jack 3.5mm mic/speak jack?16:32
CyorxampaghahG! :D16:32
CyorxampI've seen converters but I don't know if they carry the mic or not16:32
JaffaUnusual to moan that the headset connector is too standard ;-)16:32
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CyorxampPOP port > 3.5mm - if it carried the mic i'd be cool16:32
Cyorxampyay :D16:34
Cyorxampa dongle that converts POP to 3.5mm but adds a mic and a button on the dongle16:34
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disq"What's the problem with the way a pirate speaks? - Arrrrticulation!"16:46
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kupesoftSo what's the status of usb host mode for the n800. Any links?16:47
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CyorxampBought :D16:50
CyorxampEveryone have a party on me, I've bought one - I'll get it Wednesday16:50
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CyorxampHopefully the nitty gritty techy geeky fun stuff won't be that dissimilar from the Zaurus16:51
disqhey sully, any luck with python/pygame/kagu?16:51
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sullyHaven't given it a try unfortunately, any feedback from the forums?16:51
disqall positive, your prob seems to be unique so far16:52
sullyhaha, that figures!16:52
sullywell to be honest I don't have much use for it anyways, the 2GB is too limiting for music16:52
sullyI just wanted to show off with it :o16:53
sullyPeople lust my 770.16:53
CyorxampAnd the neat thing is, I've arranged with O2 (my mobile phone people) to go on contract with a Nokia E65 and the tarrif (for only £8.51) includes unlimited 3G data :P16:54
JaffaCyorxamp: nice.16:54
CyorxampShame the N800 can't directly be 3G16:54
disqthat's sexy16:54
* Jaffa likes his N800 not being his phone, means my W850i can go everywhere with me.16:55
timelesscyorxamp: imagine you're a sprint customer16:55
CyorxampDo you suppose the N800 will update to WiMax when it becomes popular?16:55
timelessyou pay an extra $100 for an n800 that's 3g16:55
timelessand doesn't work on your wimax network16:55
disqthey'll release a wimax version (i'm guessing early 2008)16:55
timelessbetter to buy a cheap 3g phone w/ bluetooth16:55
CyorxampHang on Hang on!16:56
CyorxampTheres other editions of the N800 ?16:56
CyorxampOnes with 3G built in!?!16:56
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timelessthere aren't16:56
timelessbut i'm trying to explain why including 3g doesn't make sense16:56
timelessit adds cost, increases regulatory pains16:56
timelessand then doesn't work on the network you have16:56
Cyorxamp<timeless>> you pay an extra $100 for an n800 that's 3g16:56
pupnik*you would16:57
Cyorxamphmm ok16:57
timelessthere was an "imagine" line in there somewhere16:57
* pupnik writes a self-help book "learning to live with on-screen buttons"16:57
CyorxampWell when BT finishes the 21CN in the UK and WiMax is everywhere - it'll become the defacto over 3G for wireless national data access16:57
CyorxampAlong with the death of the phone systems and going to all IP based16:58
timelessanyway, i really can't find a decent sprint announcement16:58
timelessbut yeah, there essentially will be what seems like an n800 w/ wimax16:59
timelessif i'm reading the announcements correctly16:59
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timelesswhat a mess16:59
timelesscdma, gsm, wimax, wifi16:59
Cyorxampso my current, just bought, will arrive wednesday - will be non-upgradable :( ?17:00
lardmanback to work17:00
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Cyorxampalso doesn't this N800 have hidden FM radio support ? :P17:01
CyorxampI read that somewhere ages back I think17:02
Cyorxamptimeless: ?17:03
disqi never understood british postal addresses. are the 4 letter combinations zip/area codes?17:03
Cyorxamptimeless: I wouldn't need gsm or cdma by that stage17:03
Cyorxamp3G mainly comes with a GSM tarriff these days... but I'd use it for the VoIP - the ulimately would be just a WiMax tarriff17:04
Cyorxampand no phone <period>17:04
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pupnikI don't see the attraction of phones.  They are these loud, annoying things that give people who want things from me universal access to my time.17:10
dpb_Then stop using phones. Easy solution.17:12
MikhoI love my phone17:12
Jaffadisq: Post codes (aka zip codes) are of the form: ABnn nCD. "AB" is the code for the area, which is broken down in sub-divisions. e.g. "CV21-23" is Rugby. The last bit is then generally a street within the area, i.e. "7RB" is my street.17:14
disqah. thanks for the explanation :)17:15
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disqJaffa: so it's actually ABnn-nn nCD?17:17
disqah, CV21 to 23, ok17:18
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JaffaYeah, CV21 doesn't cover the whole of Rugby. "CV" for Coventry, btw.17:23
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sparrgmail on the 770 has an unprintable character at the start of every email subject line in my inbox17:27
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CyorxampNo  Kia    or    Nok   ia     ?17:38
* Cyorxamp just watched the atmasphere YouTube video showing FM radio on the N80017:38
CyorxampHe said No Kia .... bWHAH!17:38
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disqwell it's no-kia :P17:40
MikhoI'm pretty sure of that17:41
disqerm, sounds better yeah17:42
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CyorSilly americans :P17:47
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CyorNokia (pronounced /nok-iɑ/ in IPA17:48
CyorWikipedia agrees17:48
CyorIt's also Li  Nux  not Lin  ux17:48
cosmoi'm trying to install maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 to scratchbox, but apt-get update ignores the local repository for some reason. any ideas?17:49
CyorAnd while we are at it!!!  Colour not Color,  Favourite not Favorite!17:50
* Cyor sends all 60 million americans away to european schools for re-education17:50
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amrin the uk its pronounced knock-eeah17:54
sullyThere's slightly more than 60 million Americans17:54
amrCyor, its linucks17:54
amrnot lyenucks17:54
cosmoin Finland we pronounce it just "Nokia"17:54
cosmoand "Linux"17:54
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Cyoramr: Wrong, totally wrong17:56
amrwrong on what17:56
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amrlinus pronounces it as linucks so im good with that17:57
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Cyoryou don't pronounce his surname in the same way tho17:58
amrwho cares what his surname is17:59
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Cyorbah I mean first name17:59
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Cyor'li' is pronounced with a short [ee] sound: compare prInt, mInImal etc.18:00
Cyorsays Linux18:00
CyorThus lienux not   li-nux18:00
Cyorneeds to have the E18:00
disqwhere's that ah, there it is18:01
Cyor*says Linus18:01
disqcat >/dev/dsp18:01
CyorI just read his post!18:01
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amrlisten to him freaking say it18:02
Crofton|homeI remember that post :)18:02
melmothsomething unsubscribed me from maemo-user, and i cannot re subscribe anymore (no answer from the robot)18:10
melmothdoes this ring a bell to anyone ?18:10
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timelesslemoth: you're the same person who complained this morning?18:13
melmothi also send a mail to about this18:15
disqyou could use the web interface18:16
melmothwell, yes thats how i know i miss some post :)18:17
disqyou could use the web if to subscribe18:18
melmothnope, i did it 5 time since this morning. Never received an answer.18:20
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sparri say tomato, you say it wrong.18:20
Mikhowhat a nice argument about pronunciation18:23
CyorNot Lynux, not Linux... Lienux18:24
jonekthere seem to be no hardware specs of the N800 in the maemo wiki, are they available elsewhere?18:26
Mikhoenglish is pretty nice. People who invent new words get to define both written and pronounced form. Some people in the world get to define only the former18:26
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sparrMikho: or the latter18:34
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kupesoftIs there a decent how-to for USB Host mode with the n800?18:52
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janidoes anyone know how to check properly if writes to gconf are actually successfull ?18:55
janibasicly the cache is my problem, writing stuff allways results true but i can see from the logs few seconds later that write was not successfull because of memory full condition..18:56
jani(true and null GError struct)18:56
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eijkDid anyone of you experience RAM corruption problems with the 770 yet?19:36
threeishnot i19:36
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eijkMine seems to have some hardware problems. Tested with
eijkFunny thing: Problems only turn up when wifi packets are transmitted...19:38
eijkAny ideas?19:40
eijkSounds like returning it, doesn't it?19:40
eijkAny experience how Nokia handles service for second hand owners? Warranty period is still in effect in principle...19:41
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`0660no experience with n800, but usually you have the full warranty as long as you have the receipt19:50
`0660at least in countries where consumers have some protection :)19:51
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Lynourehi, I have a N770 with a really early 2005s OS version. Can I flash it with  OS 2006 Edition version 3.2006.49-2 or do I need to use OS 2005 Edition version 5.2006.13-7?19:53
ssvbeijk: yes, I did enconter these problems19:53
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eijkssvb: interesting, did you have your 770 replaced>19:54
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ssvbeijk: they look very much like software problems in the wifi driver19:54
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eijkssvb: so, you think it's not a hardware problem?19:55
eijkssvb: I had all kinds of strange problems lately...19:56
ssvbeijk: memory corruption pattern changes with different firmware versions19:56
eijkssvb: used to work fine...19:56
eijkssvb: i just reflashed with the 3.2006.49-219:57
eijkssvb: before I had 49-1 if I remember correctly...19:57
eijkssvb: didn't find the download anymore...19:58
ssvbeijk: check this link in maemo bugzilla:
LynoureThe exact version it has is 1-2005.42-919:58
ssvbeijk: I had these problems with all the versions of firmware, what did you use to detect memory corruption issues?19:59
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eijkAfter a few months of flawless operation I had a strange crash after which the tablet wouldn't boot anymore: No progress bar, only Nokia logo. White screen in charging mode...20:01
ssvbeijk: yes, I used the same test program for doing these tests (but earlier detected them with some other memory hungry software)20:02
eijkThen I reflashed. Flasher complained, it couldn't flash. 2nd try worked...20:02
ssvbeijk: was your battery fully charged when flashing?20:03
eijkYes, on charger.20:03
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ssvbeijk: also check 'dmesg' log, it may have weird wifi driver related error messages when you encounter memory corruption20:04
eijkNo, didn't see anything on dmesg...20:05
LynoureAre OS 2005 and OS 2006 just different software versions, or is there two different versions of N770 hardware, one for OS 2005 and another for OS 2006?20:05
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eijkLynoure: I think, you can flash the OS 2006.20:07
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ssvbeijk: what router/access point are you using by the way? mine is Asus WL-520G20:08
eijkD-Link 624+20:08
eijkIt's so irreproducible... Now it seems fine....20:10
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Lynoureeijk: Thanks20:12
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ssvbeijk: yes, it is sometimes quite hard to reproduce, but you are definitely not alone having this issue20:13
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jjazzThe instructions (at for booting from the MMC slot advise making a fat partition and an ext2 partition.  Is there any reason I shouldn't make them both ext2?  Or just make one large ext2 partition?  I don't generally have need of fat partitions.20:13
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eijkssvb: so, you think, it's really no hardware issue?20:14
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eijkssvb: sll the different problems seemed to turn up quite at the same time for me...20:15
ssvbeijk: I can't be really sure, but my intuition tells me that the problem is in software20:15
eijkssvb: ok...20:16
ssvbeijk: I suspect that lots of users blaming opera crashes and thinking that these are caused by out of memory problem actually suffer from the same memory corruption issue20:17
eijkssvb: then I'll take its good mood and reflash it now...20:18
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ssvbeijk: I'm using only usbnet and bluetooth now, the device works fine and quite stable20:19
eijkssvb: Ok. did you try reducing the transmit power from 100 mW to 10 mW?20:19
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ssvbeijk: I don't remember, but I tried a lot of settings both on the device and on the router (excluding insecure WEP), nothing helped20:21
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eijkssvb: ok...20:21
ssvbeijk: are you using WEP or WPA encryption?20:22
eijkssvb: WEP :-/20:23
ssvbeijk: ok...20:24
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ssvbeijk: Well, if somebody could build a debug version of wifi driver and investigated this issue, that might provide some more information regarding this issue. Unfortunately it is much easier for me to just pretend that Nokia 770 does not have wifi at all, I'm quite satisfied with bluetooth20:29
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notpeterHey all, I know this sounds like Richard Stallman -esque ramblings, but has anyone made an attempt at a 100% free software 770/n800?20:42
notpeterI really like the device, but I know that Nokia has abandoned the 770 (that's why they got so cheap) and would like to make a crack at a fully open source distribution.20:43
kulvethere's no open source wlan driver20:44
kulvethat's the biggest issue20:44
notpeterwhat's the chipset?20:44
kulvegoogle tells. I can't remember it now20:44
kulvebut Nokia is planning to release a new HE rootfs for 770..20:45
_MonkeyHE is active in just check back ...20:45
kulvehacker edition20:45
kulvemost of the n800 sw on 77020:45
kulvenot intended for end users though20:45
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notpeterYeah, I'm interested going after some things that were never really important to Nokia.  Namely simplifying the UI.20:49
notpeterI've used HE briefly but was wholey unimpressed, which is unsuprising as it is really just for developers with a 770 who want to see how there stuff would (kinda sorta) work on the n80020:50
CardinalFangkulve, Yet another HE rootfs?  OS2007+1?20:51
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jjazzThe instructions (at for booting from the MMC slot advise making a fat partition and an ext2 partition.  Is there any reason I shouldn't make them both ext2?  Or just make one large ext2 partition?  I don't generally have need of fat partitions.20:51
kulveHE edition including the stuff now in the newest n800 release. That's what I read from the mailing list, iirc20:52
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kulvejjazz: maybe the one is intended for "normal" use..20:53
kulvei.e. file manager could see it, etc20:53
jjazzkulve: Can file manager not read an ext2 partition?20:53
kulveI guess it can't20:54
notpeterAlso, I could be wrong about this, but isn't the stock setup looking for an fat32 partition to put the virtual memory file20:54
kulvei.e. it's probably quite hard coded to read mount and read first partition and assume it's vfat (mounting is actually done on lower level..)20:54
jjazzAh.  Ugh.20:54
pupnikyou could manually insmod ext2, mount and symlink your ext2 partition to a dir under ~/MyDocs if you want fm to use it20:55
eijkssvb: thanks for your thoughts... actually, for me wifi is quite essential...20:55
kulveI'm not actually sure if FM cares about the fs type, but the mounting scripts does20:56
pupnikvfat works fine for data though20:56
eijkssvb: but for now I'll try and monitor the problem with memtester...20:56
notpeterjjazz: you might also find this guide useful.  Similar content, but a little simpler.
jjazznotpeter: thanks.  I'll look at it.20:56
eijkssvb: maybe I'll also try to have it replaced as long as under warranty...20:57
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jjazznotpeter: That link is quite helpful.  It includes some of the missing detail as to why a fat partition might be useful.  Thanks.20:58
rikshadow passwords.21:02
rikdo we use them? aparently not, on my system. why the heck not?21:02
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kulveon the device? Because there's only one passwd and everybody knows it..21:06
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kupesoftIs there a decent walkthrough for the n800 usb host mode?21:26
ssvbkulve: as for the wifi driver sources, something seems to be available here:
proctoonly part of it is source21:31
proctothe rest is a chunk of binary21:31
proctoit's the one part of the device nokia won't open21:31
procto(or more likely, it's conexant that wont')21:31
derfIn the US at least there are FCC regulation problems with a fully open software radio.21:32
kreiglikely conexant yah21:32
ssvbprocto: if we suppose there is some bug (or a lot of them) in wifi driver, what part, open or closed is more likely to be affected by them?21:33
proctouhm, both are just as likely, I'd say21:33
kreigI would say closed21:34
proctoI'm planning on reversing it and writing a new driver, so it can do packet injection in monitor mode21:34
tsohmm, the internal mail client interpret & as "21:34
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kreigbecause if it's full software driver, then it's doing alot more work21:34
proctobut I haven't had the time yet21:34
kreigbut it is specualtion21:34
kupesoftprocto: What's your timeframe on that? ;p21:35
ssvbprocto: if that binary blob comes from conexant, maybe it was better tested, I wonder if it is reused in other devices too21:35
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kupesoftprocto: Packet injection on the n800 is very important to *some*21:35
kreigmight wanna hook up with the OpenBSD efforts to get conexant and intel to open the blobs21:37
proctokupesoft: I really don't know. solely depends on time availability.21:37
kupesoftHow much time do you need? I'm willing to sponsor the project.21:37
proctokupesoft: it's important to me21:37
proctobut I'm relaly busy with work until the end of august21:38
proctoand after that I have university, AND work21:38
kreigApparently Theo is already in conversation with Conexant about some of the wifi chipsets21:38
proctoI can't estimate my availability right now21:38
kreigoh, that is old news tho, so who knows what is going on now21:38
proctokupesoft: but I talked with dragorn about it (author of kismet) and he's not willing to put in the time to do it (he's an n800 owner)21:38
proctohe says, however, that's it's similar to prism54 softmac21:39
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dragorngoogle, there WAS a 770 softmac package, but the softmac dev as far as I can tell is pretty dead21:39
dragornand there was no package source21:39
proctodragorn: howdy :>21:39
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proctoI wonder how similar it is to islsm21:44
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proctoso it looks like islsm would support aireplay21:47
proctobut not airodump?21:47
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kupesoftWith the n800 in host mode you could use a dongle for aircrack,21:50
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proctohas anyone attested to a working n800 usb host mode?21:59
proctosay, from this:
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straindWhat would you use a dongle for?21:59
proctothe dongle would be doing the injection22:04
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kupesoftI think a decent how-to wiki should be written up for how to get host mode working.22:06
kupesoftUnfortunately, I haven't gotten it working yet ;p22:06
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straindprocto: Thanks.  I didn't see that you were talking about injection.  I've been running kismet and aircrack-ng without too much trouble. :)22:12
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TomCreeraircrack work well?22:16
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TomCreermplayer won't install ('unable to install').. any ideas why?22:21
pupniksomething's wrong22:21
pupnikwhat does the application manager log say?22:22
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TomCreerwhere's the log?22:23
proctoTomCreer: aircrack will work. pretty much all the tools in the package besides airmon and aireplay22:23
proctoand you don't really need airmon22:23
proctoI sorta got airmon to work22:23
proctobut it's better to use ignore it22:23
TomCreerparse error, invalid package name (charachter ` not allowed)...22:23
TomCreerah, sweet22:23
TomCreereven airodump?22:24
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pupnikTomCreer: i haven't heard of that mplayer issue before - if you could post the mplayer version, os version and how you installed it (from a file or web or .install file) to it might help the package maintainer become aware of an error22:30
TomCreeri don't think it's an mplayer issue22:30
TomCreeri'll post full log entry in sec22:30
kupesoftstraind: With injection?22:30
lle2anybody here with an intel mac interested in os x port of sb2?22:31
TomCreerInstalling mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.18.n77022:31
TomCreerapt-worker: not configuring unrelated package vncviewer22:31
TomCreerapt-worker: not configuring unrelated package libsqlite022:31
TomCreerdpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 888322:31
TomCreerpackage `osso-applet-sound-l10n-itit':22:31
TomCreer invalid package name (character ` ' not allowed - only letters,22:31
TomCreerdigits and -+._ allowed)22:31
TomCreerE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)22:31
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DaniloCesarsomeone uses fmradio? I can't hear any useful sound, just the noises....22:33
kreigplug in your headphones22:33
kreigthey are the antaena (sp?)22:34
pupnikTomCreer: i've seen that three times now - /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupt.  You can restore from a backup statusfile in /var/lib/dpkg/ or edit the file yourself (textfile) to fix the offending line22:34
TomCreerpupnik : cheers :)P22:34
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DaniloCesarDo I need the original headphones?22:35
notpeterlle2: what's sb2? (I have an intel mac...)22:36
qgilDaniloCesar: just any headphones you can plug22:36
pupnikno, but different headphones will give varying results with reception depending on lead length (in general with headphone antennae)22:36
notpeterlle2: Umm...yeah...that'd be sweet.  Have you gotten it working for Maemo dev yet?22:37
qgilSparr ?22:37
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_Monkeysomeone should fill in the blank22:37
lle2notpeter: I've a ppc mac myself and am currently working on porting sb2 to it, would be nice to see how it goes with the intel version22:38
notpeterlle2: I've been doing my stuff with Ubuntu under parallels22:38
DaniloCesarpupnik, qgil, kreig, Thanks! its working22:38
lle2notpeter: I've built some maemo debs using sb2 on a debian box, it's not there yet completely22:39
lle2notpeter: I'd initially be just happy to see if it's at all possible to do sb2 style tricks on the os x. so far it looks quite promising22:39
TomCreererr, any easy way to press 'escape' on x term on 770?22:40
lle2notpeter: I'll get back to you once I've got something running on my ppc mac22:40
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lle2notpeter: might take a week or two22:40
notpeterlle2: sure.  You can eamil me at 'not' + mynick + ''22:42
notpeteri'm out...gotta go fix a printer that doesn't print the letter J.22:43
notpeter(no kidding)22:43
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lle2TomCreer: isn't the back arrowy thingy esc?22:46
TomCreerok :)22:48
TomCreerwould maemo care if i just deleted /var/lib/dpkg/status?22:48
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qgilSilicium: i like the sofa22:54
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qgilmilhouse: Carlos wrote today "We're close to releasing a new version of the hacker edition" - - he knows better than me23:03
lle2qgil: the kernel thing is strange23:05
lle2qgil: I mean, there's really not that much preventing us from having an up to date kernel on it23:05
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qgillle2: I'm really not following the details23:06
qgillle2: you might want to discuss with Carlos or Joni23:06
lle2qgil: sure, but omap1 is actively used by many, so the kernel is not in too bad shape for it23:07
lle2qgil: it's mostly some minor breakage + our wifi23:07
lle2qgil: and I would really like to have 770 supported with the new software releases, at least from core sw's point of view23:08
lle2qgil: but it seems there's absolutely zero demand internally for it23:09
qgillle2: sure, but... I'm really not involved in the HE  :)  I just posted the update now because milhouse was asking yesterday23:09
ssvblle2: N800 kernel may have some OMAP1 related stuff broken (dspgateway?), see
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ssvblle2: this post confirms broken dsp theory:
lle2qgil: sure, but... I guess what I'm aiming at here is that I know a few guys who could really easily fix the 770 support in current kernel, in all other ways except maybe for the dsp and wifi23:11
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qgillle2: should I insist that you could contact Carlos & Joni to discuss your ideas and proposal in a more fruitful way?23:12
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lle2qgil: just that core doesn't have anyone to do it, or manage doing it. if somebody else would find it as something that's useful I would happily give pointers as to how to get it done in practise23:13
qgillle2: my involvement in the HE is a) to make sure the project is there and b) write about it in when a new release come23:13
lle2qgil: yeah, but do you think it would be useful? I've not followed what 770 users want at all23:13
qgillle2: I can copy&paste this log in an email and send it to Carlos - you could do the same, or just walk some meters and find him  :)23:14
lle2qgil: he's hiding in my kitchen?!?23:14
qgillle2: most 770 users want Mozilla based browser, Skype, SIP support and whatever cool stuff available in the IT OS 200723:17
lle2qgil: figures, people always want everything23:17
pupnikupdating software for the tablet doesn't require an open wlan driver any less than it does on desktop linux23:17
qgillle2: of course23:18
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lle2pupnik: upgrading the kernel from 2.6.16(?) to 2.6.22 will definitely break the wlan driver, fixing it is not trivial, most likely.23:20
amrcan i get gps to track where i am without a network connection23:20
amrif i downloaded the maps etc23:21
amris it possible at all or is it a lost cause23:21
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ssvbqgil: are there any plans to make HE development more open or even relay it almost completely to the community?23:21
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qgilssvb: the community can do completely the part that is currently open, unless someone goes ahead with some serious reverse engineering23:22
qgilssvb: complicated23:22
qgilssvb: more open development, I really don't know the short term details23:23
qgilssvb: but23:23
qgilssvb:  (let me find a URL)23:23
qgilssvb: perhaps could influence in the openness and emancipation of the HE development23:24
qgilssvb: perhaps23:24
lle2if somebody sends a patch fixing 770 support in the kernel to linux-omap mailing list, it's very likely to be well received23:25
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lle2but, as is quite often the case, it gets damn quiet when it would be time to actually do some of the dirty work instead of just talking about it.23:29
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TomCreeranyway to apt-get an app + its dependencies?23:33
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ssvbqgil: thanks, but that blog is quite long and seems to overcomplicate some things :) what a community developer needs is some way to 1. fix a problem in a core package (can be done if the sources of the package are available) 2. deploy the fix in a convenient way to end users who are willing to try it  (we have some serious problems here)23:35
qgilssvb: define 223:37
qgilssvb: "convenient way"23:37
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NeoStrideranybody home?23:39
NeoStrider_Monkey: anybody home?23:40
_Monkeyneostrider: bugger all, i dunno23:40
pupnikhi neo23:40
amrwhat theme is that23:41
pupnikwhat's wrong with the current kernel?23:41
NeoStriderhave you tried my new release, pupnik?23:42
bergieamr: Plankton23:42
_MonkeyPlankton is a good theme eh?23:42
amrcool thanks23:42
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ssvbqgil: first the developer needs to be sure that he does not introduce any problems while building the package and the only changes will be introduced by his fix (that means the result of building a package from the same sources by nokia and any other developer should be the same)23:46
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ssvbqgil: second, it should be possible to build either a full firmware image with a replaced package or it should be possible to install a replacement for a core package from a .deb file without too much hassle23:48
qgilssvb: deb packages, build dependencies resolution, sources available, update via packages or whole image...23:50
qgilssvb: does that ring a bell?  :)23:50
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qgilssvb: isn't a distro a simplification (and not an overcomplication) of an integrated process taking care of all the elements you are describing?23:51
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ssvbqgil: not quite, centralized distro maintained by somebody who is not particularly interested in a random community developer's fixes slows down a lot of things quite significantly23:55
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qgilssvb: "maintained by somebody who is not particularly interested in a random community developer's fixes" are your words23:56
qgilssvb: from my point of view the logical principle is23:56
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qgilssvb: if the maintainer is like this then it won't go ahead with a distro23:56
qgilssvb: if the maintainer goes ahead with a distro is because is not like this23:57
qgilssvb: the other options make no sense23:57
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qgilssvb: but you could say that non-sense happens sometimes, yes  :)23:58

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