IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2007-08-21

qgilssvb: however, what about shared responsibility of the HE repository? HE means not official Nokia support, and this provides flexibility for ownership in a way that is more difficult for the officially supported software - just an idea00:00
ssvbqgil: well, maintainers are usually quite conservative and don't like to change things that work acceptable from their point of view (decision to stick with an old kernel is old kernel is one of the examples) :)00:00
qgilssvb: open an experimental branch00:01
qgilssvb: but... what am I doing trying to convince you?  :)  otoh what would you do if you were Nokia? How would you answer the question you ar asking now?00:03
maddlerhey all!!!00:04
maddlerqgil: hi, dude!00:04
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pupniknokia should drop symbian and invest everything in linux :P00:06
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shackanget serious :P00:06
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* pupnik has no clue about the phone side of the business00:07
qgilsymbian is a good business, you wouldn't drop it if you were Nokia  :)00:07
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ssvbqgil: making FIASCO image creation tool available + providing some hosting for experimental community improved images would certainly help to solve a lot of problems with the deployment of community fixes, but that may be too much :)00:08
qgilssvb: there is a FIASCO creation tool available in the community and, well, hosting itself is not a problem nowadays00:09
qgilssvb: what you need is relicensing of some packages to make them distributable00:10
amris the plankton theme only available for the n800?00:10
ssvbqgil: is there a FIASCO creation tool available? or even FIASCO format description?00:10
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ssvbqgil: hosting of an image elsewhere may introduce legal problems00:11
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qgilssvb: the 'seamless software update' project (allowing updates via deb packages) will help in this relicensing, the distro (if it happens at all) will help in this sense as well00:11
ssvbqgil: I guess you are asking to enter a serial number for downloading images not just for fun00:11
qgilssvb: for license restrictions00:12
qgilanyway, too late for an early bird like me - my bed is waiting00:13
qgilthanks for the conversation and the good ideas00:13
ssvbqgil: any idea when this 'seamless software update' project can become available? will it support Nokia 770 too?00:13
ssvbah, sorry, good bye then00:14
ssvbsee you later again :)00:14
qgilyeah, let's talk another day about the seamleszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz00:14
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pupnikssvb do you think it is practical to do general-purpose optimization on 770/N800 SDL?00:16
pupniki suppose that's a strange question00:17
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pupnikmy guess is that these games that do compositing interally at 24/32bpp then use standard SDL are wasting a lot of cpu00:18
ssvbpupnik: maybe DSP core could handle screen updates with automatic 32->16bpp conversion00:19
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ssvbpupnik: there are lots of ideas about what can be improved in the core packages, maybe some of them will work, maybe some will not, but I would better prefer code hacking over taking too much care about packaging and distro maintaining :)00:23
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pupnikyeah i can understand that00:23
pupnikat 320x240 or 400x240 things are good enough as they are in sdl land00:24
pupnikfor homebrew games at least00:25
pupnikthere might be a couple that run 800x480 which would benefit00:25
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pupnikwhat i have to do now is integrating things with maemo-games startup, which isn't very interesting00:29
pupnikAnd then learn more about the gp2x system and the software00:29
pupnikOur emulators are not very good right now00:30
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pupnikThe xkbd virtual keyboard can run alongside a 320x240 pixel doubled window with a narrow layout00:31
pupnikbut sdl fullscreen apps currently can't get input from it00:32
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amris the plankton theme only available for the n800?00:33
_Monkeythemes is, like,  for recent Bora themes, for the 'Theme Maker' applet,  for tools
pupniki think plankton can work on 77000:35
amroh cool thanks00:36
amri cant find plankton on those links00:38
amri can find the n800 one on the guys blog00:38
ssvbpupnik: 320x240 (pixel doubled) resolution leaves 160x480 (nondoubled) part of screen at one of the sides, do you plan to use it for virtual keyboard?00:39
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amrim sure ive banned myself from ssh00:45
amrhow can i check00:45
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pupnikssvb yes that works00:53
pupniki made a keyboard layout for 160width00:54
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ssvbpupnik: that's cool00:54
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lardmanevening all00:55
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lardmanAnyone familiar with the internals of vorbis?00:57
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pupnikno, have you compiled it for dsp?00:58
lardmannot yet, trying to work out how to keep the buffer filled and whether I need to worry about it is ov_read() has an internal buffer anyway00:59
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lardmanov_read() is called with an output buffer and desired size of pcm output data, it calls a fn to read data from somewhere (I can define the function)01:00
lardmanjust wondering whether I can call the ov_read() part as a callback for a bulk transfer (but probably not), or whether to use shared memory and poll to ensure I have enough data on the DSP side01:01
lardmanall rather esoteric unless you happen to have read the docs, so don't worry too much :) ;)01:01
pupnikanytime you call the output buffer function, your handler code knows the dsp needs another x milliseconds input?01:02
* pupnik is full of horrible ideas01:02
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lardmanfor implementing tremor, or random dsp stuff or just random stuff?01:03
lardmanEither way, fire away01:03
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pupnikwell normally i'd expect the vorbisidec to tell the handler 'i want another X frames now please'01:04
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lardmanI think a frame can be an arbitrary size01:04
lardmanup to ~1TB01:04
lardmanso rather large in theory01:04
pupnikno point in babbling about it01:05
lardmanSo my understanding is that you ask it for a given amount of output, and it reads data in and processes it untill it can complete that request (or less than that request)01:05
lardmanless presumably if it would need to start decoding another portion, etc.01:06
pupnik*my babbling01:06
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lardmanThe problem for me is that the input (compressed) data can be arbitrarily large, and I need to define a buffer at compile time01:06
lardmanpupnik: Babbling is good, helps with ideas01:06
pupnikwhat about two input buffers?01:07
pupnikit reads from one, you write to the next one01:07
pupnikdata always available01:07
lardmanah, there's another caveat01:07
straindlardman: Did my son's babbling help with any ideas?01:07
lardmanstraind: I thought he's struck again!01:07
lardmanstraind: yep, thank him for me with the following: "ndisnldaihda;fosajf"01:08
straindHe's sure to get more out of than than anyone else.  BBL.  Switching desktops so he won't do it again...01:08
lardmanThe caveat being that I'd prefer to keep the code intact rather than pulling out and implementing each of the 'page' decompression steps01:09
lardmanand that means that the ov_read() call has to return01:09
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lardmanIn the dspgateway, to obtain data from ARM, you generally make a call to ask for it, then return, and a callback funtion is run when the data is ready01:09
lardmanthis isn't going to work with ov01:10
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edtany ideas on why the application installer does not get started when I click on a .deb file from the garage?01:10
pupnikwhy not lardman?01:10
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straindPerhaps I should recruit my son to help me with this bluetooth thing as he randomly presses the keys.01:11
pupnikov_read() is not returning?01:11
lardmanov_read() must return the data in a buffer, but to obtain data from the ARM side I have to request the data, then let the function return so that my callback can be called01:12
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Luriasitting at my ham test, waiting ...01:12
lardmanhoney glazed?01:13
edtI have run: update-mime-database /usr/share/mime, osso-update-category-database /usr/share/mime & update-desktop-database to try to fix the problem...01:13
straindVirginia ham?01:13
Luriaradio kind01:13
lardmanwell you might still be glazed then :)01:13
pupnikwhat happens edt?  do you get prompted to download the .deb?01:14
Lurianot as tasty, but much more geektastic01:14
edtpupnik yes.  stranger still if I go to and try the .deb files there they work.  I am begining to suspect its a garage problem...01:15
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lardmanpupnik: There is a possible, nice way around the problem, in ov_read(), block (semaphore) until enough data is available in a local buffer, and while blocked a lowe priority task can run and fill the buffer01:15
lardmanpupnik: I'm not sure I can transfer data between tasks though01:16
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edtgarage uses https and mulliner uses http.  On mulliner its reconized as application/x-debian-package, on garage the type is unknown.01:17
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edtthe garage package was/is the 1.60 version of UKMP01:17
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pupniklooks like you've hit upon an issue that affects many people edt01:18
pupnikis this a new problem01:18
edtI have install from the garage many times.  Just got back from vacation and now the garage installs fail to work...01:19
derflardman: You shouldn't need threads or tasks or whatever to decode data.01:19
derfWhat exactly is the problem you're trying to solve?01:19
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lardmanderf: To interface with the DSP kernel I must use at least one task01:20
lardmanderf: Tremor (vorbis) on the DSP in the n80001:21
derfYes, I know _that_ much.01:21
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lardmando you know anything about vorbis, and how it's functions work?01:21
lardmanMy main issue is that a frame of data is arbitrarily sized (so I understand) so to implement a callback on the DSP side that reads some amount of data and then retutns PCM data...01:22
derfAbsolutely I do.01:22
lardmanwon't necessarily work, as I may not get enough data (or I may get too much)01:22
derf"Frames" are not arbitrarily sized.01:22
lardmanvorbis 'frames' rather than ogg ones?01:23
derfOgg doesn't know anything about frames.01:23
lardmanbut it has pages of some size, wanted to make sure that's not what we're talking about01:23
derfOgg has pages. Pages store compressed packets. Packets decode into uncompressed blocks. Blocks contain many frames, where a frame contains one (1) sample from each channel.01:24
derfAt least using the Vorbis documentation's terminology.01:24
lardmanOkay, so I ideally want to read the data for a packet and decompress it01:24
derfI will assume you meant "blocks".01:24
lardmansorry about my poor terminology01:25
derfNo, it's no problem.01:25
pupnikreading that, i'd think you'd be fetching packets01:25
lardmanSo I need to read packets, then decompress them, etc01:25
edtusing wget shows:01:25
edtWARNING: Certificate verification error for unable to get local issuer certificate01:25
derfYou are using vorbisfile, correct?01:26
edtcould this be an issue triggering the garage error?01:26
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derfSince you're using ov_read.01:26
pupnikedt - i assume so, and i assume the garage maintainer must know about it01:26
lardmanderf: I was basing on the lowmem-no-byte branch of Tremor01:26
derfvorbisfile will handle reading the pages, parsing out the packets, and decompressing the blocks.01:26
lardmanah, but there is the problem01:27
edtwould you know if a bug has been filed?  If not I will open one - its the only way to be sure the maintainer really does know.01:27
lardmanderf: I need to pass data to the DSP, where ov_read will be running01:27
lardmanderf: Therefore I need to either know how much to pass, or to be able to let the code ask for arbitrary amounts of data from the ARM01:27
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derfAre you really running all of ov_read on the DSP?01:28
lardmanderf: My goal here is to get all of the code running on the DSP, then think about splitting it across both the ARM and DSP01:28
lardmanso the answer is not yet, but that looks like the easiest way to see if it works01:29
derfWell, the way ov_read currently works is, it buffers the available from one packet's worth of data.01:29
derfIf you ask for data and it has none, it will decode one packet, and then return you data from that packet up to the amount you asked for.01:30
lardmandoes it read in exactly one packet's worth of data from file/callback fn01:30
derfIf it had some data left over from the last packet, it returns that.01:31
derflardman: It reads exactly enough pages to be able to decode one additional packet.01:31
derfIf you ask for more data than is immediately availble (from the previous packet, or from the just decoded packet if it didn't have any left over from the previous packet), it returns what was available, and no more.01:32
lardmanah, okay, that's good01:32
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lardmanso I could set my buffer size to be large enough to hold the pages to decode one packet01:33
lardmanassuming I can know that at compile time?01:33
derfBuffer for which direction, compressed data to the DSP, or uncompressed data back?01:33
lardmancompressed to DSP, the other way doesn't matter too much01:33
lardmanas I can just keep calling ov_read to get rid of it01:34
lardmanI think...01:34
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derfWell, technically the size of the compressed packets is in fact unbounded.01:34
lardmanyeah, that was my worry01:34
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derfAt least from the Ogg level.01:35
derfThere may be a Vorbis-specific maximum.01:35
derfThe size of a page is limited to just under 64K.01:35
lardmanI couldn't find one mentioned, though it must be possible to calculate at runtime01:36
derfBut a packet can span multiple pages.01:36
derfLet's see what the DirectShow filters use, since they also require fixed-size buffers...01:37
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lardmanthey have more memory to play with than I do01:38
lardmanfrom what I read on the ml, ~0.5Mb is reckoned to be enough01:38
derfThat's true. What neighborhood are you looking for?01:38
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lardmanNot sure to tell the truth, my total memory is something like 64kb01:39
lardmanbut that is shared by the kernel too01:39
derfThe buffer comes out of that?01:39
lardmanIf I memory map, I think I can access up to 16Mb, which would be enough01:39
lardmanYes, that's my understanding of it01:39
derfYou're probably going to have to memory map, then.01:39
lardmanDSP kernel, not Linux kernel01:39
derfYes, I realize that.01:40
derfA single Ogg page is allowed to be almost 64KB by itself.01:40
derfAnd a packet can certainly span 2 pages.01:40
derfRegardless of the packet's actual size.01:40
lardmanI think it may turn out to be easier to pick apart the Tremor code and only run part of it on the DSP01:40
derfThat was my thought as well.01:41
lardmanI'd just hoped I could get some test code running quickly01:41
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derfI'm not sure you can do anything with 64K quickly.01:41
lardmanIt looks like the code I need to target is localised in dsp.c01:42
lardmanthough decompression of the tables, etc., ought to be done on the DSP too01:43
lardmanas they will only be needed there01:43
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derfHmm, it had been so long since I updated my copy I didn't even have a dsp.c.01:44
derfI wonder when that got added.01:44
derfOh, in June.01:44
lardmanit contains vorbis_dsp_pcmout called from ov_read01:45
lardmanwhich I guess does the work01:45
lardmanwhat is vf->vd ?01:46
* lardman searches for vf definition01:46
derfvorbisfile's Vorbis decoder.01:46
lardmanah, so it contains the tables, etc.01:46
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derfAnyway, dsp.c is really just the high-level driver.01:47
lardmanhmm, dsp.c has a lot of calls into libogg, which is inconvenient01:47
derfWell, libogg also contains the bitpacker, needed to read the bits from the packet.01:48
lardmanthat can be done on the ARM side before the buffer is passed to the DSP01:49
lardmanit's just where to make the split really01:49
lardmanneed to do more reading01:49
derfI mean, the part that pulls out individual bits, not bytes.01:49
derfSomething else to worry about later (when you're not just trying to get something running quickly), is if the codebooks will even fit in 64k.01:54
derfI'm pretty sure all the ones produced by the reference encoder will.01:54
lardmanjust wondering if I'd be better off just implementing the mdct_unroll_lap() fn on the DSP01:54
Darksmurfso..I just got my tablet. I was trying to add 'Http://' as a repository (thats where osso-xterm is supposed to be I thought) and it failed. I had to add /extras to the end. Is that the way its supposed to be, or is there something I'm missing?01:56
derfI would think you'd want mdct_backward also.01:56
derfAs that's really the bulk of the work, IIRC.01:56
lardmanyep, didn't see where that was called from01:56
derfFrom mapping0.c01:57
derfvorbis_dsp_synthesis to mapping_inverse to mdct_backward.01:57
lardmanright, got it01:58
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lardmanlooking at _fetch_and_process_packet(), I need to encapsulate all of the dsp functions and whatever they call02:01
lardman dsp  even02:02
lardmanargh, markup02:02
Darksmurfwhats better, dropbear or openssh on the 770?02:02
lardmanDarksmurf: dropbear only ever used to do scp, not sftp02:03
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derflardman: Are you going to be releasing source for this at some point?02:06
lardmanof course02:06
Luriawell, i'm i licenced technician ham.02:06
Lurianot to be confused with a ham technician02:07
derfI may try to do something similar for Theora at some point, but I don't actually know anything about the N800's DSP.02:07
lardmanwell I can help with that, though I've only learned as I've gone along02:08
lardmanan interesting pass-time02:08
derfWell, having a working example to cheat from is a big help.02:08
lardmantheora is slightly more difficult, because the n800 doesn't do direct framebuffer access from the DSP anymore02:09
lardmanI don;t know why02:09
derfHardware scaling issues, maybe?02:09
Luriaa working example to cheat from is called scientific progress.02:09
lardmanwith that said, there is no info about doing direct audio codec out either, but hopefully when a couple of codecs turn up (kulve is working on Speex) then Nokia will see the light02:09
lardmanderf: Not sure, but it's possible to map the framebuffer according to the docs, like the 770 did02:10
lardmanLuria: Exactly :)02:10
derfI've met a couple of the Nokia multimedia guys if you want me to try to ping them for help.02:11
lardmanI was sent some source for Tremor on the C55 by a chap from Fluendo, but thought I'd start out by learning the hard way02:12
lardmanPlus the code I was sent was not directly implementable, if that makes sense02:12
derfI meant help with info about doing direct audio out.02:12
lardmanBut yes, if you can ask nicely for some headers/example code for audio out that would be very useful02:13
lardmanI have a bug for it, let me find  the number02:13
pupniki have 5 games that use ogg02:13
derfIf you give me an e-mail address, I'll cc you.02:13
lardmanderf: s dot g dot pickering at bath dot ac dot uk02:14
lardmanpupnik: The more the merrier02:14
lardmanderf: Can the packet size be calculated at runtime?02:15
lardmanderf: and is it constant for all packets (I fear not)?02:15
derfYou mean the maximum packet size?02:15
lardmanwell more for a given file02:15
derfRight... in theory it would depend on the codebooks.02:16
lardmanso I can tell the ARM how much memory to reserve02:16
derfBut I suspect it will not be much different from your "half a meg" estimate.02:16
lardmanThe codebooks are large, but they only appear once don;t they?02:16
lardmanin the header?02:16
Luriaspeaking of which - are there any in/out splitters for the noika 3.5mm jack?02:16
derflardman: Yes, the codebooks only appear once.02:17
derfBut I mean, if the VQ codebook has a 32-bit entry in it, presumably you could have a packet stuffed with those.02:17
lardmanderf: But I should be able to work out how large it will be to pass over, and say no if it's too big02:18
lardmanpass over to the DSP that is02:18
derfYou can calculate the actual packet size from the data in the pages.02:18
lardmanBut does that mean I need to scan the whole file before I can allocate memory, or is it in the header?02:18
derfIt's different for every packet.02:19
lardmanI now understand the talk on the mailing list about defining limits to the sizes02:19
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derfYeah, the spec is fairly unbounded.02:19
lardmannot the end of the world though, I can scan the file as I'm only writing some test code02:20
derfWe had a similar problem when spec'ing out Theora: we weren't hardware people, and we had real trouble finding any who would give us input as to what reasonable limits would be.02:21
lardmanI suppose what one could do is see what common encoders produce, and see if there are any complaints about the decoder failing02:22
derfFor Vorbis I believe that's what most people do.02:22
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derfI think Monty also has some specially designed test files.02:22
telexlhi folks.  I'm having some trouble with my Bluetooth keyboard on the N800 - is this the right place to get help about such things?02:23
lardmantelexl: yes, ask away and see if anyone can help02:23
telexllardman: thanks.  I'll ask.  It's a bit technical.02:24
Darksmurfis there a way to enable hostusb w/o the flasher?02:24
telexlMy bluetooth keyboard is a Nokia SU-8W.  It's supported, but the keymap is incomplete: when I press the '/" key, I get a blank key and the doublequote doesn't work at all.02:24
telexlI was wondering if I could fix it and where hwkbd stores its configs.02:25
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lardmanderf: hmm, looks like I need to define the mmap and/or buffer sizes at compile time for the DSP02:26
lardmanderf: so I'll try the 'most common sizes' approach02:26
lardmantelexl: You trawled through the mailing list archive?02:27
lardmanderf: Then implement the dsp functions on the DSP - the ogg_bitpack stuff looks reasonable02:27
telexllardman: no - I Googled for an answer and found the IRC logs for this channel.  Someone mentioned xmodmap.02:27
telexllardman: I'm not sure where to look for help on these things - Nokia or
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jjazztelexl: What's wrong with using xmodmap?02:28
telexljjazz: Nothing - I don't have it though, or can't find it.02:28
jjazztelexl: I packaged it.  I can email it to you.02:28
* lardman takes a step back as he knows nothing about BT keyboards02:28
telexljjazz: thanks! brooknet (at) imap (dot) cc is my address.02:29
derfKeyboard config is usually in /usr/share/X11/xkb02:29
derfNot sure about on the N800.02:29
telexlderf: Thanks.  I'm logged in now and am looking at that dir.02:29
lardmanAlso try /etc/X11/02:30
lardmanat least on the Zaurus it used to live somewhere under /etc02:30
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telexlGreat, this makes sense.02:31
lardmanderf: Thanks for your help, bed time02:31
lardmanNight all02:31
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telexljjazz: don't suppose you have xev too?02:32
jjazztelexl: Of course.02:32
jjazzI'll send it with xmodmap02:32
telexljjazz: thank you kindly - that'd be very helpful.02:32
telexlMy name's Lex, by the way.02:33
jjazztelexl: Sent them to you.02:33
jjazzMine's james.02:34
telexljjazz: Ta.  I can do this all remotely.. cool02:34
jjazzI should really set up a repository for the maemo packages I build.02:35
erstazijjazz: for what maemo do you package for?02:35
jjazzerstazi: n80002:35
erstazijjazz: ah, OS2007, well, I am looking at packaging PocketSphinx for both OS2006 and OS200702:36
erstaziI think that is something that no one else has done yet02:36
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erstaziwhich is speech to text...02:36
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jjazzerstazi: You realize that Sphinx isn't a full speech to text engine, right?02:37
erstazijjazz: yes02:37
erstazijjazz: but to get a full speech to text engine that is open source is hard to find02:37
jjazzerstazi: ok.  I spent a lot of time at the cross section of linux and speech recognition and it's... depressing.02:37
erstaziI realize the limitations, especially the part about different languages and dialects02:38
telexljjazz and everyone, thanks for your help.  I'm off now to answer mails and have some lunch.02:38
erstazijjazz: yes, I realize that, and I feel the same02:38
jjazztelexl: Have fun.02:38
telexlthanks! bye02:38
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erstaziit is depressing, I think the first step is to promote the ones that are attempting speech to text02:38
jjazzerstazi: Sphinx for some simple voice command stuff would be very cool.02:38
erstaziyes exactly02:38
erstazithats what I was aiming for02:38
jjazzSpeaking of packaging things, has anybody packaged tomboy?  I couldn't quite get the mono build environment working in scratchbox.02:39
erstazijjazz: but before I attempt pocketsphinx, I want to understand hildonizing more heh, which is relearning gnome again02:39
jjazzerstazi: I don't claim to know anything about hildonizing apps.02:40
erstazijjazz: not saying that you do, I just need to read up more02:40
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dougbhi, i was wondering if there is a pptp application for the n800?02:41
jjazzI looked at it briefly.  There are some apps I might have a go at, but I've only had the device a few weeks, so for now I'm still soaking it in.02:41
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erstazijjazz: thats good, the maemo dev community is very active02:42
erstazithe maemo community as a whole is a great community02:42
erstaziI have been part of other *nix communities and usually there is too much infighting that nothing gets done02:42
jjazzerstazi: Yeah, seems like there's a lot of good work being done.  It would be nice if we had a central repository for unofficial debs.  I'm sort of hoping one emerges.02:43
erstazibut what I have found is, people who usually have a tablet are business orientated02:43
erstazijjazz: well, I understand that and agree...02:43
erstaziI wish a lot of packages could be merged into extras with the maemo repo02:44
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jjazzerstazi: I can understand why Nokia doesn't want to host all those packages.  What's needed is a third-party host that's generally trusted, has some procedures in place for vetting package maintainers, etc.02:45
erstazijjazz: I think thats what is for02:45
jjazzerstazi:  Are they vetting packages in any way at
erstazijjazz: and nokia supports maemo... but people who put up their own repos probably found the issue probably of including into the repos of maemo02:46
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erstazijjazz: some are02:46
jjazzerstazi: I didn't realize.02:46
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erstazijjazz: yeah, it goes through a process02:48
erstazijjazz: let me grab my info first before speaking on it02:48
jjazzs'ok.  I can go read the website.02:49
erstazibasically, for applications that are still in development and not yet end-user ready they go to ApplicationCatalogWip.02:49
erstazisome are planned and then there is a wishlist also02:50
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erstazijjazz: for project hosting use the Garage02:50
jjazzerstazi: Ah.  I see garage projects can be included in the extras repo at their invitation.02:54
jjazzSo it's not as bleak as I thought.  But still, the repository lacks too many apps.02:55
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erstazijjazz: well some apps would be too complex to port02:58
erstazimainly because they would consume too much power or ram02:58
erstazior space02:58
erstazilike I was surprised to see vncviewer as a working app02:58
erstaziI use it sometimes to play games on my windows box (I primarily use Linux everything but games)02:59
erstazibut I use vncviewer and rdesktop a lot with my work02:59
pupnikncxlient would be a fun project02:59
erstaziand it surprises me that they are both working applications02:59
erstazioh yeah03:00
erstaziI use that as well03:00
pupnikhas it been ported?03:00
erstazinot that I know of03:00
erstazibut it could have been03:00
erstazithere are people who port that do not join on IRC03:00
erstaziand are not on the mailing list or a member of garage on maemo03:00
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erstaziI know of some bloggers that post about their ports03:01
erstaziI am supposing that its a bug, then yes03:01
erstazithats using nxclient on a linux pc03:03
erstaziFabian was the one who reported the bug03:03
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pupniki am forcing myself to not look into this03:09
pupniksee the maemo-developers list in google... some info there03:10
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zucconeanyone using bdb on maemo?03:17
dougbdoes anyone know if they carry the n800 at fry's electronic?03:17
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pupnikfry's employees03:23
tchanalternatively you could just do a search at where it appears they do not carry the n80003:24
pupnikto be precise the answer to "does anyone know..." is always yes, no or maybe :)03:29
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dougbis it possible to connect to a network that requires a static IP address?03:31
dougbi want to get all of my questions answered before i go buy one after work haha03:31
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dougbok cool, i have to connect to a static IP and DNS server03:31
dougbi used to work at fry's and we sold the 770, but i haven't bothered looking since the n800 came out :-/03:33
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pupnikthe only advice I can give about buying is to get one from an authorized reseller03:35
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pupnikapplication request: badger-mushroom bootloader04:07
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wnt5What's the best way to use youtube with n800?04:12
pupnikuktube i think04:12
wnt5thanks. second, is there any recent progress on video with skype?04:14
pupniki don't know04:14
wnt5maybe it would be possible to use gstreamer to send video to a skype server PC04:15
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pupnikwhere does skype come from?  who tracks call connections?04:18
wnt5just got the n800 and impressed by the capabilities, but it would be so nice to fix these issues :D04:18
pupniki think uktube is robust - otherwise you can download youtube videos with the python script youtube-dl04:19
wnt5well, what i was thinking of was an interface between google video talk, which the n800 does, and skype04:21
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Luriahey all04:22
pupnikwhat's new Luria?04:23
Lurianothing, finally took that ham test.04:23
Lurianow i can play with transceivers04:24
DarksmurfLuria whats your call? de kd5uzz04:24
Luriaand figure out a way to exploit my nokia w/respect to that04:24
Luriajust have a csce04:24
Luriai only took it 3 hours ago04:24
Darksmurfwell..good job!04:25
Luriait was silly, i should have gone for more than technician04:25
Luriai finished the test in 5 minutes04:25
Darksmurfthere is a yahoo group: hildonham  where they are talking about APRS + n80004:25
Luriai want to find a splitter for the mic jack04:25
DarksmurfLuria usually you can take the gen as long as you passed the extra charge04:26
Luriait would be nice to make a cw transcriber04:26
Luriai know, but i hadnt opened the material. the physics/ee stuff isnt usually problematic, but i dont know the extra regulatory stuff04:26
Luriaill try for gen/extra in one sitting in a month or two04:26
DarksmurfLuria well, you got your csce and I got my 770... bonus for both of us :-)04:27
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Luriawell, since i already had an frn, i expect the registration to be quick04:27
wnt5has anyone had experience with video calling on n800?04:27
Luriawnt5, yes. specific question?04:27
Darksmurfhow can I tell what version of IT2006 I have?04:28
Luriai think its in the control panel04:28
wnt5Luria, do regular desktop PC'04:28
wnt5Luria, do regular desktop PC's support the video call software?04:28
wnt5(gtalk or whatever it is)04:29
Lurianot anymore - there was a beta that was discontinued.04:29
LuriaDarksmurf, control panel/about product04:30
wnt5okay, is there anything else that would do something like that?04:30
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Luriaas for 3rd party stuff, i dunno04:30
wnt5i found a project that uses gstreamer to stream video on a quicktime server04:30
DarksmurfLuria thanks04:31
wnt5so the challenge would be getting this to talk to a regular video/voip client04:31
LuriaDarksmurf, what license do you have?04:32
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Pioanyone know how to make gnugo not take so damned long to make a move?04:40
Pioi can never play a game vs. cpu in cgoban because every move takes like 2 minutes04:40
Darksmurfcool, my fresh from the box 770 already has the latest version of OS2006 on it.04:40
Luriayeah, they usually do these days04:41
Piowe got a new one about a month ago and it was .3904:41
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Darksmurfhow do I get the thumb keyboard to show up?04:42
Luriatypically, hit the center of the dpad when the vkb is up04:43
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Luriaor, use a wider amount of thumb when clicking on a text field04:43
Luriaare there any "standard" (i.e. orderable from 3rd parties like radio shack or real suplly houses) in/out splitters for the nokia 3.5mm jack?04:43
DarksmurfLuria radioshack has them for ~$804:44
Lurialike the 4 ring jack?04:44
Luriai mean the whole thing?04:44
Luriaso there is hope to make an automatic CW  program?04:45
Darksmurfdoes the n800 use a 4 conductor connector?04:45
Darksmurfor the 770?04:45
_Monkeyi guess the 770 is running OS 2006. And that you can upgrade to 2007. Is it worth the trouble?04:45
Luriaits an extended mini jack04:45
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Darksmurfhmm..I didn't know that. I thought they were both standard 3.5mm. RS sells a 4 conductor to headphone adaptor..I can't remember if the a 4 conductor 3.5 or 2.5. And I doubt all 4 wires are sent to the 3.5 stereo send.04:46
Luriafinding a replacement hk-48 (iirc thats the model number) is a PITA04:47
Luria(err, the headset model number)04:47
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Luriadont lose it04:47
Luriathe flagship nokia store in nyc doesnt even have an sku for it04:48
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Darksmurfdoes the thumb kb work inm opera?04:49
Luriayes, but it will obscure the page04:49
DarksmurfI got it to come up in the control panel Time and Date app. but not in opera04:49
Luriathat's odd... but i dont have a 770 (yet), only an n80004:50
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Luriaanyone tried using something like this on an n800?05:21
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DarksmurfWhen I use the flasher to enable usb host mode on the 770 am I going to loose any data/installed apps?05:25
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dougbI think my n800 fried my SD card.  I can't format it and it only recognizes 256MB of 1GB :\07:36
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mk8Hi to all09:35
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forcev_mobilecould someone confirm if sd cards of 4gb and above have to be sdhc or is it just those over 4gb?09:46
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Luriaforcev_mobile, 4gbs are available in sdhc and not sdhc. its hit and miss as to whether the non sdhc work; you should check itt.09:57
Luriaas for anything 8gb and higher, they are all pretty much in sdhc spec09:58
Luriastill, its best to 1)buy only sdhc marked cards 2)check if there is feedback on itt09:58
forcev_mobileLuria, thanks i always forget about itt10:00
forcev_mobileim not the best with forums10:01
Luriai was thinking about it a couple of weeks ago10:01
Lurianearly all the sdhc 8gbs work, but there were one or two horror stories10:01
Luriaerrr, storys10:01
Luriaits 3am, what do you expect :-)10:02
forcev_mobilewell i bought an 8gb transcend and it lasted 2 weeks :(10:02
forcev_mobilei now have a tiny brick10:03
Luriaa bricklet10:06
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Luriasorry, im hunting radios10:06
Luriato use with my new license10:07
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Luriafunny... after all that10:14
Luriai think im getting the radio in the pic on the homepage of hildonham10:15
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guardianmorning maemo10:17
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forcev_mobilemorning guardian10:32
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maddlermorning all10:52
forcev_mobileanyone having issues with installing canola?10:55
forcev_mobileim getting the following issue
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matmomorning all10:56
* rik sticks a gold star on matmo10:56
matmorik: thanks, but I'm not sure why10:57
matmowho in the community is sh*t hot on maemo hacking?10:57
rikyou got the first thing right in here today. since i joined.10:57
rikforcev_mobile: ME! ME! I got that yesterday! but more importantly I KNOW HOW TO FIX IT!10:58
matmoah well, wouldn't know since I just joined ;-)10:58
matmoI'm looking for someone who I can convince to "fix" the Squeak VM to be usuable on maemo. It runs but there are several issues that need resolving.11:00
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rikforcev_mobile: sudo gainroot, then touch /etc/shadow ; chmod 600 /etc/shadow . that'll fix it for you.11:01
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rikmatmo: i don't even know what that is.11:01
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forcev_mobilerik thanks11:01
rikyou're welcome11:01
rikwhy we have shadow passwords that aren't on, i don't know.11:01
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matmoSqueak is a popular smalltalk (
matmoif you know it... and "get it"... then you want it11:02
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forcev_mobilerik: when i try the first part i get 'Enable RD mode if you want to break your device'11:03
rikhave you installed the becomeroot package?11:04
* forcev_mobile bangs head with frying time11:04
forcev_mobilenext time the pan will be hot11:05
riknow you also ened to remember11:05
rikas soon as the canola install is successful - REBOOT.11:05
rikseriously. it took me ages to figure that one out.11:05
riki know it says on the documentation, bt mos tof my tmie was spent trying ot reinstall stuff, because of the complete lack of instructions i ofund.11:06
AD-N770good morning11:06
rikacutally. before you get it all installed.11:06
rikhave you installed gstreamer?11:06
rikyou need gstreamer installed before canola.11:06
forcev_mobileyeah, and most of the plugins11:07
rikthen go ahead.11:07
riki wish canola used mplayer isntead. maybe it wouldn't suck then :(11:07
rikalas, mplayer does a far better job on my N800. i'm wondering whether to do a ncier frontend for mplayer, which is of course, open source, and therefore i can, or to hope that canola switches to using mplayer.11:08
riki suspect i'll end up using both anyway.11:08
forcev_mobilei cant get ukmp to work either11:08
matmoI like Squeak for throwing UI's together11:09
forcev_mobilecurrently using kagu, but it is audio only11:09
cosmoreasking: i'm trying to install maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 to scratchbox, but apt-get update ignores the local repository for  some reason. any ideas?11:09
timelessoh right, someone a while ago indicated getting a certificate was expensive11:11
timelessStartCom offers free certs11:11
forcev_mobilerik: thanks for the help11:13
forcev_mobilegotta reboot now11:13
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timelesskeesj: i don't suppose you were the person who needed a cert but didn't want to buy one? :)11:35
Luriahey timeless11:36
_Monkeysomebody said timeless was a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor11:36
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Luria_Monkey, you dolt!11:36
_MonkeyLuria: excuse me?11:36
timelessignore the bot ;-)11:36
* timeless considers switch "timeless is" to "contact timeless is"11:37
timelessor maybe "timeless really is" ?11:37
timeless_monkey forget timeless11:37
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot timeless11:37
Luriayou saw what i was talking about? i couldn't stay up any later last night11:37
timelesstimeless really is a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor11:37
keesjtimeless: no , certs are overrated :p11:37
timeless_monkey i am <reply>11:38
_MonkeyOK, timeless.11:38
timeless_monkey: good bot, dumb bot, down bot11:38
timelessluria: lemme head to work and try again. sorry11:38
timelessi'll be there in ~25mins11:38
Luriaoh no11:38
timelessoh no?11:38
_Monkeyyou are not aware of such page in enligh,11:38
timelessoh darn, you're in EDT aren't you11:38
Luriaits 4:40am11:38
timelessluria: timeless@gmail send me a note w/ steps11:39
timelessbetter send me a page so you can update the steps an i can comment11:39
Luriagot my (basic) ham licence today (yay)11:39
timeless_monkey forget keesj11:39
_Monkeytimeless: I forgot keesj11:39
timeless_monkey keesj is <reply>11:39
_MonkeyOK, timeless.11:39
timeless_monkey literal luria11:40
_Monkeytimeless: sorry...11:40
timeless_monkey luria is <reply>11:40
_MonkeyOK, timeless.11:40
Luriaits really simple, if you have an n800 handy11:40
timelesssorry, it's at work :(11:40
timelessi've been sleeping at home instead of taking my n800 w/ me11:40
timelessit's bad enough i'm taking my laptop to bed11:41
keesj not your n800?11:41
timeless770s on the desk, but i seem to have misplaced one of my n800s at work11:41
timelessso i have fewer n800s to take home atm11:41
keesjI have a bt keyboard but I would like a n800 head support so I can type while in bed11:42
timelessn800 head eh?11:42
Luriaalso, is there a decompiler for vkbs?11:42
timelessnot that i know of11:42
timelessalthough arguably the vkb itself is one11:42
timelessi suppose11:42
Luriathe heb vkb doesn't seem to have xml for fkb11:42
Luriait switches to russi11:43
keesj /---\----------|11:43
keesj |   |         /\11:43
keesj |o o|        [n800]11:43
keesj \---/11:43
timelessdoes the one sample xml file have a fkb?11:43
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timelessi'll kick the people again today, i tried kicking them last week11:43
timelessthey gave some lame excuses for "why not open source"11:44
Luriawhich sample? the one on the garage tutorial?11:44
timelessmaemo / garage, i don't keep them straight11:44
timeless(their excuses were worse than the ones in my blog entry)11:44
Luriai don't want to redo all the vkb work that was done :-(11:44
Luriabut i only know how to make a vkb, not the other way around11:45
Luriabut iirc the tutorial has an fkb sample11:46
matmoany smalltalk fans here?11:46
Luriabtw, on fkb myself atm so, im slow.11:46
janidoes anyone here have experience with gconf ? i have slight probless verifying if the changes made to values are actually getting written ..11:47
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janiissue seems to be with caching of read/writes .. if they are written correctly to the cache, they all is good ..11:50
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Luriauser! i know user! he has an account on my n800!11:50
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rm_youon my n800 :) i love xchat on this thing11:53
rm_-rf_youme too. it's why i'm so damn slow typing.11:54
rm_youyeah... i have a bluetooth keyboard if i want it though ;P11:55
rm_-rf_yousame here. but can't really lie in bed and type with it.11:55
rm_youyeah that would be hard11:55
rm_-rf_youwhich do you have?11:55
rm_youThink-Outside stowaway11:56
rm_-rf_youthat's the one without the dedicated number row?11:56
rm_youyeah :/11:57
rm_youi put up with it11:57
rm_-rf_youyeah. got that too.11:57
rm_-rf_youi can never remember the name of it.11:57
rm_youyou play with a2dp much?11:57
rm_youi looked on the bottom of it when you asked :P11:57
rm_-rf_youthe worst thing is the up arrow/?11:58
rm_youtheres supposed to be a SLASH there11:58
rm_youscrews me up several times a day... sometimes badly, especially when i'm in a terminal :P11:58
rm_-rf_youi sometimes repeat something i said in xchat 'cause instead of a ? i get my previous statement11:59
rm_youwell, i hit it instead of /11:59
rm_-rf_youthe pipe is annoying too11:59
rm_youcause / is supposed to be on the ? key >_<11:59
rm_youyeah :/11:59
rm_youjust did it, but caugfht it11:59
rm_-rf_youright, but in xchat you look like a dope in front of 200 people12:00
rm_youthey moved all of my most commonly used symbols to ONE KEY and then put it somewhere that should NEVER have a key... to the right of the shift >_<12:00
rm_-rf_youand then it's archived and indexed by google.12:00
rm_youi wonder if there's really a better option :/12:01
rm_youI got this with my n800 tho, for cheap, so i cant complain12:01
rm_-rf_youhow in god's name do you type so quickly on the thumb board ?12:01
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rm_youi cheated and pulled out the keyboard :P12:01
rm_-rf_youhow much?12:01
rm_-rf_youtimeless, we are having a deleting war. lemme know when you want the walk through on that bug.12:02
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rm_-rf_youthose two sentences had nothing to do with each other, but i was too tired to cut and paste.12:03
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rm_-rf_youdon't u live at nokia?12:04
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rm_youbut shipping to Japan ended up being $45, lol12:05
Luriathats like 1/3rd of a 770.12:06
rm_youit was worth it12:06
rm_youi mean cmon... even with shipping, $365 for a mint n800 with bluetooth keyboard and 2x 4gig sd cards and a softcase :P12:07
rm_youwith original headphones and stylus and case12:07
Lurianot bad.12:08
Luriaactually, insane.12:08
Luriathats like $250 worth of stuff12:08
Luriaiphones really are for idiots.12:09
rm_youit was a pretty sweet deal :P12:13
rm_youespecially since a 4g sd card in japan costs like $12012:13
rm_youit sucks >_<12:14
mk8sorry for my stupid question. I try to install a development environmento from scratch. I start to install scratchbox-base, -lib from the scratbox site. When I try to install sdk for bora 3.2 in the guide it is write that must be install sdk for 3.1 before. Ok, I try to run but find that scratchbox is already installed.12:14
mk8Can anyone help me or post a link to an update guide? Thank12:15
keesjmk8: what distro are you running?12:23
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mk8i'm using a VMware image so I can start from any distro. Now I'm tring to use ubuntu 'cause before I used and already done ubuntu image12:24
pnahi *12:24
Mikhoscratchbox is one thing and maemo sdk something else. Aren'12:25
Mikhot you trying to install the sdk?12:25
pnais there any way to launch an application in fullscreen mode, from command line ie. some hildon option or something12:25
keesjmk8: I use a modified script
pnain my case I need to launch the browser in fullscreen mode12:25
keesjbugger the download of 3.1 is broken/moved12:26
mk8II already install scratchbox but when I start to install 3.2 sdk version the guide tell me to install 3.1 before and I try to use maemo-scrtchbox-install script12:27
rm_youis anyone else having issues with "screen" on the n800? it complains about having a PTY and dies12:27
keesjthe scripts are not very smart :p12:27
mk8keesj: I try to use the script that you are linked here, thank's12:27
rm_youalso, permissions issues when run as a normal user :(12:28
jkyrorm_you: try to increase the amount of ptys12:28
keesjrm_you: yes , I had that problem ...12:28
rm_youjkyro: ok... how do i do that?12:28
jkyroecho 8 >/proc/sys/kernel/pty/max12:29
jkyroas root12:29
jkyroor you can substitute 8 with something else as well, the default is 412:29
rm_youk, thanks12:30
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rm_youany drawbacks to setting that to like.... 99? :P12:30
jkyroI guess there is memory overhead12:30
jkyrodon't know how much though12:30
jkyroin my desktop it is 409612:31
jkyroso I guess it's no big issue12:31
rm_youheh ok, thanks :P12:32
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rm_youworked well :)12:33
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rm_youso again, anyone been playing much with the n800 and a2dp?12:40
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floriangood monring12:45
mk8keesj: can you give me the svn command to extract the installation script, and all the related files? I not know svn12:45
keesjmk8 but U just saw the tgz files where moved12:47
timelesshad to find a device12:49
timelessi'm here, kinda12:49
timelesstalk me through it?12:49
* timeless pokes one of rm?you or rm?/rf?you12:50
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timelesssorry, can't get browser working, and someone wants lunch, try again tonight my time, your morning?12:55
MikhoI'm not sure if I understood that12:57
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mk8keesj: ... I try to start the script .... it is started so I'm waiting to the finish13:16
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guardiansince the last IT2007 upgrade13:23
guardianmy n800 does not register its hostname into the dhcp/dns13:24
guardiananyone aware of this ?13:24
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amris plankton available for the 770?13:52
amror is an n800 only theme13:52
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_Monkeythemes is  for recent Bora themes, for the 'Theme Maker' applet,  for tools
amrive looked.13:59
amri can find the theme14:01
amrbut the blog says its n800 only14:01
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pupnikamr adria works fine here except for one small optical inconsistency14:17
pupniktwo white bars on the left hand side14:18
amrcool thanks14:20
keesjpupnik: why no hack on the same keyboard as in
keesjthey have layout files14:22
amrhm i installed the theme cacher now my tablet is running slooowww14:22
amrwont even start the browser14:22
pupnikkeesj, both are based off xkbd14:23
amrlooks like plankton has the same problem14:25
amrhas a white line under the extras tab on the left14:25
amrand one at the very bottom below the >>14:25
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pupnikwhy does ITOS spawn all these processes per application14:41
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inzpupnik, all what processes?14:42
pupniki just saw 4 processes for scummvm and i don't think it forks them14:42
inzThreads show up the same way processes do14:43
inzIf you happend to use gnome-vfs, you're bound to have threads14:43
inz(I think)14:43
pupnikah ty14:43
eichisomeone has a pda-holder for his/her bike? (n800 ^^)?14:44
* sxpert-work has a gps holder (garmin GPS 60)14:44
* pupnik wants sunglasses with a monochrome text console display over bluetooth14:46
eichipupnik: ;D14:46
jonekeichi: I have build one myself14:46
eichijonek: yes, thats the idea I have at the moment ;)14:47
jonekeichi: it holds a N800 and a solar GPS recv next to it14:47
eichido you have or can you take a picture ?14:47
jonekeichi: it works quite well - let's see if I can get you some pictures14:47
eichijonek: most freeks like me and you blog there constructions quite fast ;) thats why I thout, you have a picture ;)14:48
jonekeichi: nope I haven't bloged about it yet14:49
jonekeichi:  but I'll do this week because from my vacation I have some nice pictures of N800+GPS from mountain hiking in France (3150m peak) ;-)14:50
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eichijonek: sounds nice ;)14:51
jonekmaybe we could start a competition like: who gets the highest picture from her internet tablet + GPS?14:52
mk8keesj: I try the script but obtain several errors ... :(14:53
eichi"damn" old people cycle on the bicycle lane ;D I had to pass the center several times, now its quit hard to map the gps data accurate..damn i have to reride it14:53
jonekfreaky geadget hiking :-P14:53
jonekeichi: do you participate in
eichiyeah, very motivated ;)14:54
eichiby bike14:54
jonekcool - I think openstreetmapping is a killer app for my internet tablets14:55
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jonekI would like to have some sort of map editor app directly on the device14:56
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eichievery time I' m leaving the house and I use streets, which arent in OSM, i track them ;) and I cycle around the towns for OSM and beeing sporty only ;D14:57
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jonek(note: this is one of my motivators for better java support on the tablets!)14:57
eichijonek: yeah, that wound be great14:57
eichijonek: hehe, but josm is quit a good app14:57
inzjonek, are planes allowed in the competition?14:57
jonekinz: :-D14:57
eichiinz: damn cheater ;D14:58
jonekok we need categories ...14:58
jonekfeet, bike, plane14:58
inzeichi, I wouldn't do that, but there are some hobbyists in the community14:59
jonekeichi: carolina vor example14:59
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jonekRC models (helis, gliders) would be cool, too15:00
eichijonek: what is with carolina?15:01
eichisorry, bad english ;D15:02
jonekeichi: IIRC she knows who to fly a plane15:02
inzjonek, I think you mean Karoliina, but anyway15:02
jonekinz yes15:02
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eichii dont know her..15:03
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eichijonek: you use josm?15:04
keesjKaroliina pop-ed up in my linkedin network15:05
keesjwe have ex-nokia people working here :p15:05
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jonekeichi: I only tried it - not yet commited tracks15:06
eichiah okay15:07
jonekunfortunately I live in Karlsruhe, which is Germany best openstreetmapped city :-)15:08
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keesjI have an adapt bt gps modem but that really is not goog enough for openstreet I guess15:26
eichijonek: lol, i live near tübingen ;D jonek then you know hanno, right?15:26
rikso what's the preferred pim suie these days?15:26
eichii use a nokia gps mouse, it seems quit well15:27
rikis there a calendar app that can sync wih google calendar?15:27
keesjtheere is a new sexy ajax based calendar designed for maemo15:28
keesjwell perhaps it's not sexy (see front page)15:28
Tu13esrik: Erminig will sync your google calendar and gpe calendar15:29
rikwhat's the interface like? plugin for gpe or separate program?15:30
Tu13esseparate program15:30
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riki see15:32
rikit would be nice to have a calendar apps with a sync now button or something.15:33
eichiare there 2 nice or one nice linux app (running with maemo) with works together very well? (have linux desktop and n800 maemo)15:34
riki should check out gpe. thanks.15:34
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pupnik_can i run gdb on n770?15:44
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pupnik_ah yes15:45
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lardmankulve: How is memory allocation performed in Speex?15:56
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Tu13eswhat can I use to stream stuff from my mac to Kagu?15:57
kulvelardman: speex supported "manual allocation". I.e. there's a speex_alloc() that is overwrited in dsp port. It's just a char * array with pointers showing what is allocated15:58
lardmankulve: So it pre-allocates a large array, and then manually allocates from that?15:58
lardmankulve: Where is the large array in memory? Is it allocated normally?15:58
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kulveit's allocated normally. i.e. char array[SPEEX_SCRATCH_SOMETHING]15:59
kulveI don't think it's very large..15:59
kulvethe sizes were already defined somewhere and I didn't even check the actual size..15:59
lardmanthat's okay16:00
kulvebut now I'm off again16:00
lardmanJust reading the Sandvall thesis about how he split the decoder across ARM & DSP16:00
lardmanthanks for the info16:00
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kulveurl? :)16:01
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cosmowhat was the magic to get apt-get working in scratchbox? i've edited resolv.conf and both nsswitch.conf's16:16
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AD-N770cosmo: was nameserver for me16:18
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cosmothanks, i'll check that out16:19
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pupnikmonkey used to have that link16:21
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cosmothat tutorial didn't have anything helpful.. apt's still not resolving16:25
cosmowget works though16:25
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cosmooh, i might have some other weird issues..16:29
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JaketIm on my 770 now16:34
JaketI love you guys16:34
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AD-N770cosmo: that tutorial helped me to fix it on my system, I'm running feisty16:37
trevarth1nsparr: how's the new volume widget coming?16:37
JaketCan you run kde on os2006?16:38
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cosmoAD-N770: feisty here. but i might have some other networking problems, so it might not be sbox issue after all16:39
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kupesoftIs there any (noticeable) difference between m800 models? I found one for a suspiciously cheap price of $100 CAD less than others,16:42
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cosmokupesoft: not afaik16:43
kupesoftI'm'a buy then!16:44
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pupnikif it's not an authorized reseller you may have problems with exchange/repairs16:45
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kupesoftHow do I know if it's an authorized reseller?16:46
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pupnikuse the phone.  ask about exchange/return policy16:47
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keesj_Monkey: do you have a home?17:29
_Monkeykeesj: i don't know17:29
keesj_Monkey: is there a god?17:29
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sparrtrevarth1n: i can draw it  :)  making it DO things, thats where im having fun17:33
sparri applied for a garage project page a week ago, no response...  how long does it usually take?17:34
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keesja few day's17:37
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pbryanWhat project are you working on?17:49
pbryanAh, volume widget.17:50
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Blacksitoxhi :)17:57
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pupniki'm beginning to think garage is overkill unless more than one person wants to work on a port / project18:01
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pupniki suppose it can serve as advertising and a request for contributors as well18:02
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* pupnik curses debian maintainers who create dependencies just for the packaging process18:04
* pupnik wanders in a blizzard of libs18:05
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JaffaMorning, all18:46
pupnikmorning Jaffa18:47
lardmanI keep seeing more tidbits about the IVA18:49
* lardman longs for a look at the OMAP2420 technical manual to sate his curiosity about vlcd, seq, imx buffers in the IVA18:51
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Luriajaffa, kree!18:54
Luriatimeless, still around ?18:54
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pupnik_Monkey: "error opening terminal" is caused by missing /etc/terminfo data.  Fix with apt-get install ncurses-base19:00
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.19:00
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rm_youLuria: rofl stargate references :P19:06
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Luria+10 for me19:07
derflardman: BTW, the maximum valid Vorbis packet size is 9+nchannels*1189146 bits.19:08
derfOr about 145K per channel.19:09
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trevarth1nsparr: why do you need a garage page?19:30
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sparrtrevarth1n: to house my packages19:33
sparrright now ive got a local repository, but i cant let [many] other people use it19:34
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lardmanderf: Thanks19:39
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derfThat's assuming a blocksize of 4096, which I believe the reference encoder only uses in a few of the very low bitrate modes.19:41
derfErr, a blocksize of 8192.19:41
lardmanI think I'll go for the all-on-the-DSP method to begin with, and allocate a large buffer from which to do manual allocation by altering the defines of _ogg_malloc, etc.19:45
lardmanI'm going for a shared memory scheme with active word sending from DSP-> ARM to request buffer fills and inform of PCM output availability19:46
lardmanand will use polling on the DSP side while the ARM does the buffer fill19:46
lardmanpupnik: How would your games like to fill a buffer? By being signalled or by polling?19:47
lardmanpupnik: the signal is a bit difficult as it's a callback function19:47
pupnikmost of them use sdl, so i'd need to look into how that works19:48
lardmanif you had a separate thread the callback could work - basically you block trying to read from the device19:48
lardmanotherwise polling shared memory is the only way I can think of19:49
pupnikreading up on SDL_audio.h now19:49
pupnik *  'desired->callback' should be set to a function that will be called19:49
pupnik *     when the audio device is ready for more data.19:49
pupnik It is passed a pointer19:49
pupnik *     to the audio buffer, and the length in bytes of the audio buffer.19:49
pupnik *     This function usually runs in a separate thread19:49
lardmanah well, first things first anyway19:50
lardmanlooks like the callback could work for that then19:52
lardmanhome time, bye chaps19:53
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pupnik_Monkey is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at  and
pupnik_Monkey tcl is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at  and
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.20:07
pupnik_Monkey tk is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at  and
_MonkeyOK, pupnik.20:08
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Luriai wish there were a huge file map of maemo.20:09
pupniksomeone made a search engine for maemo repos but i forgot the URL20:10
Luriai'd love to especially know how the fonts are used, 'cause the info i've found until now has been wrong.20:10
Luriano, i mean a file map of a stock system20:10
Luriaespecially 'cause i'd like to make an oss font set that doesn't suck.20:11
pupnikyou are an expert at low-res hinting?20:12
pupnikor you mean compile existing fonts into a set?20:13
Lurianope. but just setting up the project might invite someone who is.20:13
Luriastart with compilation and evolve.20:13
pupniklooking at the font in the window title, i can see some small hinting errors, so i think they could be tweaked20:15
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pupnikfor e.g. space between U and n in "X Terminal - U ntitled" is a bit too large20:15
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timelessanyone here know how often planet.maemo updates?20:49
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DaniloCesarCan I use a Palm's keyboard with my N800? Will it works?20:54
pbryanDoes the Palm keyboard support Bluetooth?20:54
DaniloCesarI don't have the keyboard yet.20:55
pbryanIf it is a BT keyboard, it will probably work.20:55
pbryanIf it is not a BT keyboard, it will probably not work.20:56
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DaniloCesarits because I could not find a Nokia's Kb... so I need alternatives..20:56
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pbryanThere are plenty of BT keyboards out there that will work with N800.20:57
pbryanGo to eBay and search for "bluetooth keyboard".20:57
pupnikWhat is the main issue with compatibility?  A HID profile?20:58
pupnikI bought a thinkoutside stowaway because it folds and was compatible.20:58
pbryanI haven't seen a BT keyboard that doesn't have the HID profile.20:58
DaniloCesarYes, but I can't use ebay. They doesn't delivery to my country anymore...20:59
pbryanpupnik: Same here. It's a nice big keyboard when you expand it.20:59
pbryanDaniloCesar: At least you can see what's available.20:59
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Luriatimeless, u there?21:11
timelessnow's about as good a time as any21:12
Luriaok 1 sec21:12
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Luriaok, now i have my bt keyboard :-)21:12
Nermalsomeone talk me out of buying an n800 :S21:13
Luriaso, it's pretty simple21:13
pbryanNermal: The N800 is awful. Send me yours. You'll be glad you did.21:13
Luriathere is a problem with the way the vkb deals with password fields21:13
Luriaim using n800, microb 8-3e21:13
Luriayou with me?21:14
timelessok, i found one device running 4.2007 w/ microb21:14
timelessi just need to figure out if i can be in the same room as it21:14
Luriaummm.. marital problems?21:14
timelessit's seeing another developer21:14
timelesshe has it tied down...21:15
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Luriatell him this takes a minute21:15
timelesshe's out, anyway, ok, let's do it21:15
Luriaok, go to a page where there is authentication, user / pass where the pass is supposed to be hidden21:16
timelE61iyeah, this is 8-321:16
Luriaanything will work, facebook, gmail21:16
_Monkeysomebody said gmail was out to get me21:16
timelE61i_monkey forget gmail21:16
_MonkeytimelE61i: I forgot gmail21:16
timelE61igmail is <reply>21:17
Luriatap in the user field, to bring up vkb, type in a user name and use the *vkb tab key* to switch to the password field and keep typing21:17
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Luriait doesnt know that its in a field that should be treated as hidden21:17
Lurianow my autocomplete hass some passwords :-(21:18
timelE61ihrm, stars here21:18
Luriastars in the field, yes21:18
Luriabut what about below the vkb21:18
Luriathanks god :-)21:19
Luriathere is some wonky stuff with the hidden field detection21:19
Luriai have another similar bug21:19
Luriabut i cant replicate it21:19
timelessok, let's start w/ basics21:19
* timeless pulls out a device running 3.2007 w/ microb21:20
timelessoh darn21:20
timelessi never got aroudn to filing that other bug21:20
* Nermal looks21:20
Luriaive had normal text in search fields treated as passwords (the reverse of this problem)21:20
timelessthat makes sense, try this url:21:20
timelessdata:text/html,<input><input type=password><input>21:20
timelesssimple testcases are appreciated :)21:21
Luriaone sec, ill have to shut off my bt keyboard21:21
Luriabrb, testing21:21
Luriayeah, same deal21:22
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timelessso, can i get you to file the bug?21:23
timelessthe url field is easy, it's the url i gave you :)21:23
Luriadidn't know about the data: thing21:24
Luriaone sec21:24
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TomCreeranyone got youtube on the 770 working seamlessly (i.e. without a transcoding external site)?22:56
timelesshas anyone seen their n800 flicker?22:56
timelessmine is changing brightness as it charges22:56
timelessit seems to have at least 4 steps22:57
timelessi'm fairly certain it's not just pulsing, but not positive22:57
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trevarth1nsparr: are you planning on forking Kagu? Or contributing to Kagu?23:12
erstazisorry about all the connects and disconnects... I am trying to get framebuffering working and my irc client is setup in sessions23:15
erstaziI should disable that23:15
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