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| qgil | milhouse: and here you go: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8912&highlight=2007 | 00:04 |
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| milhouse | superb! :) that should stop the natives from getting restless for another few weeks :D | 00:05 |
| pupnik | aww man fantastic interview from Scott Horton with Ron Paul - http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/17/rep-ron-paul-3/ | 00:06 |
| pupnik | oops | 00:06 |
| milhouse | nooo....politics! | 00:06 |
| pupnik | sorry wrong channel | 00:07 |
| qgil | milhouse: I tell you with confidence that I can't invest the time I invested in the Tablet Advocacy thread now again :) | 00:07 |
| milhouse | i can imagine :) | 00:07 |
| milhouse | maybe you need to hire someone for that role? | 00:08 |
| milhouse | or to be part of their role... | 00:08 |
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| milhouse | someone to deal with the plebs :) | 00:08 |
| qgil | I don't hire, but if anybody asks me I still tell that I prefer to hire people fix/improve/lead first - it is always easier and more grateful to provide explanations after that :) | 00:09 |
| milhouse | from your point of view, I can see why you'd say that. From my point of view, it's slightly different. :) | 00:10 |
| qgil | about dealing with the community, we are working on this but concentrating on the maemo.org channels | 00:10 |
| milhouse | fair enough. | 00:11 |
| qgil | some ITT people expects that Nokia employees should follow all the activity there and respond | 00:11 |
| qgil | well, I don't know many OSS projects where developers are expected to be responsive out of the channels of the project | 00:11 |
| milhouse | absolutely, it should be a part of your daily routine to read every post on ITT | 00:11 |
| milhouse | ;) | 00:11 |
| milhouse | but it would be nice to see you there occasionaly | 00:12 |
| milhouse | :) | 00:12 |
| milhouse | i think igor drops by every now and again | 00:12 |
| milhouse | not sure who sd69 is... might be an nokian | 00:12 |
| milhouse | s/an/a/ | 00:12 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: not sure who sd69 is... might be a nokian | 00:12 |
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| qgil | I don 't track userid's either | 00:12 |
| qgil | as I see it a lot of the fuzz comes from a non-common understanding | 00:13 |
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| qgil | landing as a parachute in itt from time to time doesn't always help on this | 00:13 |
| qgil | and once you shoot then you have to continue | 00:14 |
| qgil | so really, I think it is good enough to be responsive always in the maemo lists, bugzilla, etc | 00:14 |
| qgil | and then there is some of you guys who are in both spaces | 00:14 |
| milhouse | i don't think anyone is expecting continuous dialog there, but the occassional note might help. at least keep an eye on it to guage reaction and feedback... it's probably good for that in some capacity | 00:15 |
| milhouse | for instance, the cheap 770s and the WSoD and lack of support from Nokia - that's bad. | 00:15 |
| milhouse | though i'm sure that's been noticed in the ofifical channels also | 00:15 |
| milhouse | where possible those of us who visit most of the official communication channels will feed back into ITT | 00:16 |
| qgil | milhouse: when talking about hardware "lack of support" is not a right expression: you use the Nokia customer channels for that | 00:18 |
| milhouse | Apparently Nokia are refusing responsibility | 00:18 |
| qgil | maemo is about software - I really have little to say and do about hardware even if I have a @nokia.com | 00:18 |
| milhouse | not honouring warranty etc. | 00:18 |
| milhouse | understood - but whether it's software or hardware, it reflects badly on nokia/maemo/etc. | 00:19 |
| qgil | "apparently", do you remember a thread? Nokia support follows the threads there | 00:19 |
| milhouse | anyway... not your area so i'll drop it :) | 00:19 |
| milhouse | there are sever on itt | 00:19 |
| milhouse | s/sever/several/ | 00:20 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: there are several on itt | 00:20 |
| qgil | they are followed, reported internally, etc | 00:20 |
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| milhouse | as a summary, anyone who bought one of the cheap 770s is being refused a warranty repair for the white screen of death | 00:20 |
| qgil | cheap/expensive doesn't mean anything: the warranty text is the same | 00:21 |
| milhouse | it seems that devices were cross shipped to another continent where the warranty is invalid (ie. UK bought devices have US warranties etc.) | 00:21 |
| milhouse | i'd have thought so too | 00:21 |
| milhouse | but apparently not | 00:21 |
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| milhouse | let me find a not too long thread | 00:21 |
| pupnik | hey milhouse | 00:22 |
| _Monkey | milhouse is, like, the owner of _monkey | 00:22 |
| milhouse | maybe you can clarify something: Was the WSOD fault rectified on the production line, and does it only affect a range of devices? or is it inherent in every device ever produced? | 00:23 |
| pupnik | oh nevermind | 00:23 |
| qgil | milhouse: if you are talking to qgil, qgil can tell you that he has no clue about hardware, honestly | 00:23 |
| milhouse | ok :) | 00:23 |
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| qgil | and qgil knows only a little about sales and guarantees, not specifically about Nokia but in general as a consumer | 00:25 |
| qgil | but if you buy legally a consumer electronics product the seller or distributors that sold it to you has to respond about the guarantee | 00:26 |
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| milhouse | you'd have thought so... | 00:27 |
| qgil | a different thing is if you buy the device in your trip to the US or wherever and then try to claim something to a reseller or whoever in a different country | 00:27 |
| milhouse | if i bought a Nokia device on a trip to the US, assuming the device is also sold in the UK I'd fully expect Nokia to repair it under warranty - wouldn't you? | 00:28 |
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| qgil | milhouse: depends on the guarantee text - I reckon I haven't read it. | 00:29 |
| milhouse | seemingly Nokia UK are looking up the MAC address and refusing the warranty because it was shipped for sale in the US, which is nuts. | 00:29 |
| milhouse | seems... unecessary. | 00:29 |
| MaemoUser | somebody knows if when i call gtk_widget_destroy the childs are destroyed too? for example a container | 00:29 |
| qgil | in any case if you as a consumer think this is unfair you can rant on ITT but, really, where you should go is to the institutional office (sorry, my English lacks some vocabulary) where you can claim your consumer rights | 00:31 |
| rowdy_23 | anyone knows if can i mount a samba partition located in a remote computer from the n800? | 00:31 |
| qgil | I'm not saying this as a Nokia employee and I have no special interest defending Nokia sales here | 00:31 |
| qgil | I'm saying this just as a consumer | 00:32 |
| milhouse | yep, that's what i tend to recommend to people - consult their local trading standards and stand by your consumer rights | 00:32 |
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| milhouse | it just seems unecessary - particularly as the WSoD is an all too common problem so I hope this doesn't continue for months to come. oh well. | 00:33 |
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| qgil | oh well, a problem here is when we mix open source software practices with issues unrelated to the software itself: hardware, guarantees, etc | 00:34 |
| milhouse | i'll shut up about hardware. :) | 00:35 |
| milhouse | and guarantees/warranties :) | 00:35 |
| milhouse | it does come up a bit on itt so wondered if you had any inside info - if not, no worries. | 00:35 |
| qgil | then people expect that Nokia representatives (((I'm not talking about you))) will go to a web forum and answer to issues as if they were hackers | 00:35 |
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| qgil | milhouse: Nokia people in charge of gathering user satisfactions and etc follow ITT as part as the scanning of web, media, etc | 00:37 |
| milhouse | that's good to know | 00:37 |
| qgil | I'd say all the relevant issues reach the internal target, specially those relating to hardware | 00:37 |
| milhouse | there's a lot of noise there, but also some useful grass roots activity/frustrations/happiness etc | 00:37 |
| qgil | milhouse: well, that's clear - no doubt about it :) | 00:38 |
| pupnik | why do people who like free operating systems not value freedom? | 00:38 |
| milhouse | wrong channel again? ;) | 00:39 |
| qgil | pupnik: freedom is one of the topics that got thinking more the phylosophers of all times - perhaps you want to develop a bit your toughts ;) | 00:41 |
| pupnik | qgil perhaps you can help me become more developed | 00:41 |
| qgil | pupnik: provide an example | 00:42 |
| qgil | pupnik: if only to help me become more developed | 00:42 |
| pupnik | habeus corpus | 00:43 |
| pupnik | torture | 00:43 |
| pupnik | do you like torture? | 00:43 |
| DaniloCesar | LOL!!! | 00:43 |
| pupnik | there are people who support torture | 00:44 |
| pupnik | in power | 00:44 |
| milhouse | you mean in the USA? | 00:44 |
| milhouse | land of the free? | 00:44 |
| pupnik | in the usa, germany, europe | 00:44 |
| qgil | pupnik: it's either habeas corpus or habemus papa | 00:44 |
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| milhouse | i'd go with habeas corpus myself | 00:44 |
| pupnik | i will stop talking, but lets all support lawful government and freedom of speech | 00:45 |
| qgil | in fact only a subset of humans value freedom, and have a very different understanding between themselves about what freedom means | 00:46 |
| qgil | the rest of species seems to ignore freedom | 00:46 |
| qgil | some would say that "lawful" is uncompatible with "freedom" ;) | 00:47 |
| pupnik | depends on the country qgil | 00:47 |
| qgil | and the ideology | 00:48 |
| milhouse | soooo.... this n800 thing... is it any good? | 00:48 |
| qgil | but if you are talking about the US, a different system of elections and a less powerful president would definitely help | 00:49 |
| milhouse | Chads!!! | 00:49 |
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| rowdy_23 | anyone knows if i can mount a samba partition located in a remote computer from the n800? | 00:55 |
| milhouse | should be possible | 00:57 |
| milhouse | check fanoush's site | 00:57 |
| milhouse | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus | 00:57 |
| milhouse | there's a ZIP file with nfs, cifs etc. | 00:58 |
| rowdy_23 | ok :D, thx for the tip... | 00:58 |
| milhouse | also search itt forums - it's been discussed several times | 00:59 |
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| amr | how come when i umount my mmc | 01:02 |
| amr | and then reinsert it | 01:02 |
| amr | i always get the message that it is corrupt | 01:02 |
| milhouse | every time? | 01:02 |
| amr | i dont think ive seen a time where it hasnt said that | 01:02 |
| amr | if i restart the device with it in its fine | 01:02 |
| milhouse | this is on a 770? | 01:03 |
| amr | and if i restart it without a card and then later insert it, its fine | 01:03 |
| amr | yes | 01:03 |
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| qgil | finally, the blog entry I'm trying to write since... http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/387 | 01:03 |
| qgil | opening #maemo is always risky when you want to be productive ;) | 01:04 |
| milhouse | yummie | 01:04 |
| amr | hm | 01:04 |
| qgil | that was just a joke, thanks milhouse and co for the (as usual) productive conversation | 01:04 |
| milhouse | my pleasure :) | 01:04 |
| amr | i cant get any files onto my mmc-mobile card either :-( | 01:05 |
| amr | the 770 can read/write it fine | 01:05 |
| amr | my usb access to mmc's is flakey at the best of times, regardless of os too | 01:05 |
| amr | i can read the files fine, but can only write about 8mb before it freezes up | 01:05 |
| milhouse | is the card any good? | 01:06 |
| qgil | milhouse: btw, question for you (no hurries) - how you feel about the new http://maemo.org/news/ ? | 01:06 |
| amr | how do you mean milhouse | 01:06 |
| amr | the mmc-mobile one? | 01:06 |
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| amr | i have 2, both datawrite, one is rs-mmc the other is mmc-mobile | 01:06 |
| amr | the rs-mmc can be read in my card reader and im currently writing to it and its fine | 01:07 |
| amr | the mmc-mobile doesnt seem to be properly recognised at all by the reader | 01:07 |
| milhouse | qgil: looks a bit more stylish, main text font renders a little small in ff/xp | 01:07 |
| amr | i cant use usb to write to either card | 01:07 |
| milhouse | qgil: i certainly prefer the wider widht and without the hackergotchis | 01:07 |
| milhouse | qgil: and the consistent flow is better - the first article always looked a little odd | 01:08 |
| qgil | wait, the hackergotchis are still in the planet | 01:08 |
| milhouse | what am i looking at? | 01:08 |
| milhouse | oh hang on | 01:08 |
| milhouse | ah | 01:08 |
| milhouse | hmm... | 01:08 |
| amr | guess i might try back things up later and wipe all the cards and flash my 770 | 01:08 |
| milhouse | qgil: the news page seems to be planet in a different format | 01:09 |
| milhouse | what's going on? confused :( | 01:09 |
| qgil | it's not, look the sources of the news there: it's a mixture | 01:09 |
| qgil | it is intended to be the single page you will need to follow to get a grasp of whatever is relevant | 01:09 |
| milhouse | yes, it's a superset - a lot of planet articles, plus others... is that wise? | 01:09 |
| milhouse | ok | 01:10 |
| qgil | now, please log | 01:10 |
| qgil | with your maemo account | 01:10 |
| milhouse | i saw the hearts thing... didn't vote for anything :) | 01:10 |
| milhouse | i did think - why hearts (a bit cheesy)... why not mini tablets? | 01:11 |
| qgil | whatever :) | 01:11 |
| qgil | it's not only the hearts what makes a news go up on the rank and/or stay in the highlights, it's a ombination of factors, including Technoraty reputation, people linking that article in del.icio.us... | 01:12 |
| milhouse | and when i'm not logged in, how do i see the votes? i don't see the hearts when i'm not logged in - should i? | 01:12 |
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| qgil | milhouse: it's a bug http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1815 | 01:13 |
| milhouse | i think someone has already opened a bugzilla entry for the workflow following a vote - i agree with that, it just leaves you on a page with a text box which is wierd. | 01:13 |
| milhouse | aha, good :) | 01:13 |
| milhouse | (good that it has a bug entry) | 01:13 |
| qgil | anonymous users will see hearts everywhere once this is fixed and once we have adapted the maemo.org home to these news | 01:13 |
| qgil | milhouse: yeah, that workflow has another bug submitted | 01:13 |
| qgil | this is what betas are good for :) | 01:14 |
| milhouse | i need to visit news more often :) | 01:14 |
| milhouse | i tend to hit planet by default (bookmark) | 01:14 |
| qgil | I'm following it regularly and, as usual, I'm processing a lot of web new pages with "maemo" in it | 01:14 |
| qgil | I'm surprised how clever the algorythm is when "editing" | 01:14 |
| milhouse | i like the bugzilla changes - fine with that. i also saw the bug complaining about midgard and wiki - i agree the midgard "wiki" is primitive... should have diffs at least | 01:14 |
| qgil | even when people doesn't fave much as it's happening now | 01:15 |
| qgil | bugzilla changes, i'd like to see them applied in few weeks (and I can talk about deadlines about this) ;) | 01:15 |
| qgil | the wiki, yes it's my next battle | 01:16 |
| milhouse | the only thing i'd say about the fixed width - while i understand why it's there, i think it's going to constrain some content (ie. wide tables, long lines of code etc.) which is a shame | 01:16 |
| milhouse | any tables with more than half a dozen columns break out of the fixed width :( | 01:17 |
| qgil | milhouse: I'm open to discussion as soon as real problems appear | 01:18 |
| qgil | bugzilla went flexible, other components can go flexible as well if needed | 01:18 |
| milhouse | bug 1392 | 01:19 |
| _Monkey | Bug 1392 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 | 01:19 |
| milhouse | oh great... the BluetoothDUN page has gone :( | 01:19 |
| milhouse | that page had a table that was all over the place! :) | 01:20 |
| milhouse | and had some useful info (what phones were known to work or had problems with tablets). | 01:20 |
| qgil | milhouse: it's not gone, the content is there but the moin tablet format is not recognized | 01:21 |
| qgil | need manual fixing (too late for me to go through this today) | 01:22 |
| qgil | let me 2 minutes to see thie BTdun page... | 01:22 |
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| milhouse | odd, it used to be visible - maybe an update supressed it. | 01:23 |
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| milhouse | so markdown doesn't support tables? you have to use html instead? bummer. | 01:28 |
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| milhouse | ...and midgard preview is soooo slow | 01:32 |
| qgil | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392 updated | 01:41 |
| qgil | milhouse: on the other hand is usual to get complains about the limitations of creating tables in wikis, in this case if you know html there are no limitations | 01:42 |
| qgil | in fact midgard wiki can digest most HTML (because in its origin it's not a wiki) | 01:42 |
| qgil | the midgard wiki needs fixing, I agreed with henri a list of changes but they are not done | 01:43 |
| milhouse | yeah... i'm just trying to convert that wiki table to html table - nightmare :) | 01:43 |
| qgil | next week I will convert this list in public bugs so it's clear what is to be expected from the wiki | 01:43 |
| milhouse | i'll try and update the bluetoothdun page using an html table tonight | 01:44 |
| qgil | milhouse: that one is nightmare yes | 01:44 |
| qgil | thanks | 01:44 |
| milhouse | will keep the same columns for now, but at least get it to display | 01:44 |
| qgil | time for me to zzzzzzz | 01:44 |
| milhouse | one advantage the wiki notation has over html is that it's easier to edit... this html could get messy :) | 01:45 |
| milhouse | g'night - and thanks again | 01:45 |
| qgil | thanks to you again :) | 01:46 |
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| red-zack | question: is it possible to watch youtube or other flashplayer related things on 770? how to install flashplayer? does a portable version exist? | 02:13 |
| red-zack | btw, hi all, good evening/night | 02:14 |
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| Luria | hmmm | 02:47 |
| Luria | so im thinking about a 770 for my mom | 02:47 |
| Luria | anyone tried such an experiment? | 02:48 |
| erstazi | Luria, my mother has used mine before | 02:48 |
| erstazi | Luria, just show her the basics, how to connect with wifi and where the browser is and a few other apps that might interest her, I did the same for my father | 02:48 |
| Luria | and your mom isnt grace hopper, right? | 02:48 |
| Luria | i see | 02:48 |
| Luria | and do they use it? | 02:49 |
| sully | Oh dear. I was going to get my parents one and... no. Bad idea. | 02:49 |
| erstazi | my mother dislikes computers, I have to guide her how to copy and paste a URL into an email and how to send the email | 02:49 |
| Luria | oh my mom is ok on firefox | 02:50 |
| erstazi | Luria, they used mine for an hour | 02:50 |
| Luria | but not much more | 02:50 |
| erstazi | Luria, the key of success is if they want to learn... anyone can desire but if they want to learn then its different | 02:50 |
| Luria | i guess you are right about that | 02:50 |
| Luria | sully, what happened with you? | 02:51 |
| sully | I remembered my mother can't yet handle a mouse | 02:51 |
| Luria | oh | 02:51 |
| Luria | not the case here. | 02:51 |
| erstazi | sully, technically, no one needs a mouse, except for gaming | 02:52 |
| erstazi | *some* games | 02:52 |
| Luria | my mother is travelling more these days, so was asking about portable email devices | 02:52 |
| erstazi | Luria, honestly, the deals they have on the 770 are great for her | 02:52 |
| sully | No need to tell me, I used to do CAD without a mouse in the 90s | 02:52 |
| erstazi | and she can always learn | 02:52 |
| sully | I used a HTC TyTn and was pretty impressed with it | 02:52 |
| erstazi | sully, I am a web developer and thats our main focus is mouse-less user-friendly apps | 02:53 |
| Luria | blackberry, treo, etc... but she doesnt really want to check it on the bus - she wans a computer in miami or st. louis or whereever | 02:53 |
| sully | http://www.europe.htc.com/products/htctytn.html | 02:53 |
| erstazi | Luria, I would let her try it, $130 + free shipping at buy.com is not bad | 02:53 |
| sully | Touchscreen, QWERTY keyboard, Windows Mobile | 02:53 |
| Luria | yeah. i have a shopping cart ready to go :-) | 02:53 |
| Luria | i like the htcs, but they are pricey and so is the service | 02:54 |
| sully | hmm, I suppose | 02:54 |
| Luria | whats the current stability of the 770? | 02:54 |
| sully | IT 2006 is pretty good | 02:54 |
| Luria | and 2007he? | 02:55 |
| erstazi | Luria, I use 770/OS2006 | 02:55 |
| sully | Haven't tried. I guess you could set that up for her | 02:55 |
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| sully | You definitely want to do the boot from MMC and kernel hack to speed it up | 02:55 |
| erstazi | I am more the type to use a stable version before going with OS2007HE | 02:55 |
| sully | Very annoyingly slow before that | 02:55 |
| Luria | well, i, like most of you, are tech support :-) | 02:55 |
| erstazi | of course | 02:55 |
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| Luria | i put in wall cat-5 wiring down 8 years ago :-) | 02:56 |
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| sully | If I ever buy in this ridiculously expensive city, it will be phone/coax/ethernet to all rooms | 02:57 |
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| Luria | yeah, i have rj-11/rj-45 panels in most rooms, terminating at a hub 5 feet from the multi room stereo | 02:58 |
| sully | Been wondering how I could embed a touchscreen PC in the wall of each room | 02:59 |
| Luria | line -> dsl patch(and split off) ->pbx | 02:59 |
| Luria | cool little system... i have one of these (now) ancient panasonic digital/analog hybrid pbxs | 02:59 |
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| Luria | so you can use regular phones too | 03:00 |
| Luria | how would you be using the touch screens? | 03:01 |
| sully | View front porch camera, pick music, Internet? | 03:02 |
| sully | I haven't thought it all the way through | 03:02 |
| Luria | PoE sound like the way to go | 03:03 |
| Luria | you may have to hack your own device/frame | 03:03 |
| * sully nods | 03:04 | |
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| Luria | though i dunno about about the power for the screen | 03:04 |
| sully | There are a bunch of microATX computers out there, but all pricey | 03:04 |
| sully | I've got a few years to figure it out | 03:04 |
| Luria | gumstix | 03:04 |
| Luria | not uATX | 03:05 |
| Luria | they arent pricey | 03:05 |
| Luria | but no poe yet | 03:07 |
| Luria | but they will, eventually | 03:07 |
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| Luria | well, pulled the trigger on the 770 | 03:12 |
| Luria | anyone bought a 770 after an n800 | 03:13 |
| Luria | (while still owning the n800) | 03:13 |
| Luria | anyone? | 03:15 |
| sully | http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/1957/august_17_1957_119308.html | 03:16 |
| sully | That's amazing. | 03:16 |
| Luria | i saw that simpsons episode | 03:16 |
| Luria | oh wait thats real | 03:17 |
| Luria | :-) | 03:17 |
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| erstazi | I love when my wife moves my blank cd's | 03:25 |
| erstazi | especially when she knows I use them every week | 03:26 |
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| Lloyd | I just got my nokia 770 yesterday... I bought it on a whim, would love to know how to get the most of it. Does anyone have any suggestions? | 03:52 |
| Lloyd | how do I even check what OS version I'm running? I've been looking for a while, and can't find it... | 03:52 |
| sully | Control Panel, Device | 03:52 |
| Lloyd | Internet Tablet os 2006 :( | 03:53 |
| Lloyd | is there an upgrade? | 03:53 |
| Lloyd | sully btw, thanks | 03:54 |
| sully | Yeah, but you don't probably want it just yet | 03:54 |
| sully | Here's my list of applications to get on the 770: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=66&threadid=2072173&highlight_key=y | 03:54 |
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| Lloyd | sully, when should I upgrade to 07? | 03:58 |
| Lloyd | or the 'hacker version' http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 03:58 |
| sully | When they give us an official release :) It should be coming soonish | 03:58 |
| Lloyd | ahh... so it hasn't been 'officially' released. :) cool | 03:58 |
| sully | official-unofficial anyways | 03:58 |
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| Lloyd | you have everything I need, except vnc. | 04:00 |
| sully | People ooh and aah over my Remote Desktop capabilities, haha | 04:01 |
| sully | I do need to figure out how to VPN on the 770 though | 04:01 |
| Lloyd | that's why I was going to use ssh, so I could 'safely' browser over open WIFI. | 04:02 |
| sully | I really want someone to get the IP-over-DNS thing moving. | 04:02 |
| Lloyd | hahaha... that would be awesome. | 04:02 |
| Lloyd | I wonder would that work in starbucks, or if they plugged that hole | 04:02 |
| erstazi | Lloyd, I never tried that | 04:03 |
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| sully | erstazi, was it you who got it working? | 04:04 |
| Lloyd | erstazi: it's a little slower, but heck... I dont watn to transfer my passwords, over unsecured wifi. | 04:04 |
| erstazi | sully, I did vnc before but I do that all the time, especially for work | 04:05 |
| DaniloCesar | Lloyd, You can use a ssh tunnel in these cases | 04:07 |
| Lloyd | DaniloCesar: :) yup... but openssh isn't on the maemo repo. :( | 04:08 |
| DaniloCesar | ??? | 04:09 |
| Lloyd | says it can't find it | 04:09 |
| Lloyd | "Not Found?" | 04:09 |
| DaniloCesar | Its another name | 04:09 |
| DaniloCesar | little ssh or something | 04:10 |
| Lloyd | http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=ssh&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=IT2007&org_openpsa_products_ | 04:11 |
| Lloyd | search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bproperty%5D=status&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&fetch=Fetch%21 | 04:11 |
| Lloyd | oh wow... maemo should probably use some sort of routing + session information. heh. | 04:11 |
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| sparr | dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) | 04:15 |
| sparr | im getting that error at random when installing packages with dpkg -i | 04:15 |
| sparr | just trying again usually fixes it | 04:15 |
| sparr | or redownloading the package | 04:15 |
| sparr | wtf? | 04:15 |
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| Luria | silly maemo page | 04:40 |
| Luria | timeless, you there? | 04:40 |
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| Blacksitox | Hi all. I have a Nokia n800 and my ISP requires a PPPoE connection over my configured WiFi connection | 04:41 |
| Blacksitox | what are the possibilities to set up a PPPoE connection? | 04:42 |
| rhys | anyone know why themes dont work anymore on the n800? downloaded themes that is. | 04:42 |
| Blacksitox | or can you tell me some web page, where I can read about configuring the PPPoE? | 04:42 |
| DaniloCesar | Someone here know if a Palm BT keyboard works fine with N800? | 04:42 |
| Lloyd | rhys: some change in the theme engine, causing imcompatibilities, no work around yet (that I know of) | 04:43 |
| rhys | Blacksitox, your router does pppoe, then the rest of your network is behind your router. | 04:43 |
| rhys | Lloyd, ty | 04:43 |
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| Blacksitox | rhys, yes | 04:44 |
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| rhys | also, anyone know if theres a tab on the thumbboard | 04:44 |
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| rhys | Blacksitox, then your n800 only has to worry about the authentication with your wifi router. | 04:45 |
| sully | You shouldn't need you Nokia 800 to do PPPoE | 04:46 |
| sully | and I don't know why I said that since it was all just explained, never mind :o | 04:46 |
| Blacksitox | I do not have to router wifi | 04:47 |
| Lloyd | freakn' battery has lasterd a while, while not being ever charged... still had charge out of the box... (unopened) | 04:47 |
| rhys | Blacksitox, what is your setup then? | 04:50 |
| sully | Are you saying that your Internet is provided to you via Wi-Fi? | 04:50 |
| Lloyd | is there a better application manager than the default one? | 04:54 |
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| sully | haha | 04:54 |
| sully | Let's not get too ambitious | 04:55 |
| Lloyd | it's horrid... I'm used to gnome | 04:55 |
| sully | A lot on the tablet is rather horrid, unfortunately | 04:55 |
| sully | Wait until you experience the RSS reader | 04:55 |
| Lloyd | I use the google.com/reader | 04:55 |
| Lloyd | I got used to that just recently, and it's pretty good. | 04:55 |
| sully | I really want something for offline reading | 04:56 |
| rhys | i use pacman. its ok | 04:56 |
| Lloyd | except it's not offline | 04:56 |
| Blacksitox | rhys, to router ADSL | 04:56 |
| sully | rhys, what is that? | 04:56 |
| Lloyd | why's nano-tiny at 1.2.4-5, when nano 2.05 is out? weird. | 04:56 |
| Lloyd | why would I want php5 on a tablet?? | 04:56 |
| sully | Were there significant advances in the world of text editors? | 04:57 |
| rhys | he saod he uses gnome. im used to pacman, the arch package manager. | 04:57 |
| sully | ahh | 04:57 |
| Lloyd | scully, yeah, enhanced syntax highlighting within nano | 04:57 |
| Lloyd | :) | 04:57 |
| Lloyd | I know how to use atitude. :) | 04:58 |
| Lloyd | and apt-get... which would be less painful than the default. | 04:58 |
| Lloyd | just make myself the text files on the PC, and copy them over. | 04:58 |
| rhys | pacman is apt-get done better | 04:58 |
| Lloyd | why is there wordpress in the packages?? like... who's going to setup an httpd, php, and wordpress for their tablet? maybe it's just 'cause I can'... but really... spend that time and effort into something more pleasant. I can maybe understand php and an httpd deamon... but wordpress as a package | 05:00 |
| sparr | Lloyd: me, maybe? | 05:00 |
| sparr | ive run daemons and servers of various sorts on handheld devices at LAN parties before | 05:01 |
| sparr | never anything as complex as wordpress, but thats not outside the realm of possibility | 05:01 |
| Lloyd | what was the reason for doing so? | 05:01 |
| sparr | because i didnt have a spare computer on the LAN to run [whatever] | 05:01 |
| erstazi | I am smoking way too much today | 05:12 |
| Lloyd | quit... you'd save so much. | 05:12 |
| Lloyd | how much is a pack where you're at? how many packs a day? | 05:12 |
| Lloyd | * 365 | 05:12 |
| Lloyd | say $5, pack a day. $1825/yr... that's a whole new kick ass computer. | 05:13 |
| erstazi | $4 | 05:13 |
| erstazi | and I smoke 10 cigs a day on average | 05:13 |
| Lloyd | 25 in a pack? | 05:13 |
| Lloyd | or the smalls? | 05:13 |
| erstazi | but yes I know the costs | 05:14 |
| erstazi | 20, 100s | 05:14 |
| Lloyd | oh... that's only $730/yr... you can buy a crappy laptop for that... :) | 05:14 |
| erstazi | haha | 05:14 |
| erstazi | well my wife smokes 1.5 packs a day | 05:15 |
| erstazi | and they are $5 a pack | 05:15 |
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| erstazi | but yeah, I know the costs involved, I quit once before when I joined the Army (17 years old) then started up about 3 years ago | 05:15 |
| erstazi | again | 05:15 |
| erstazi | so I didn't smoke for the longest time | 05:15 |
| Lloyd | stressed? | 05:15 |
| erstazi | and I don't even remember why I started again | 05:16 |
| erstazi | well, now I am | 05:16 |
| erstazi | but thats nothing new | 05:16 |
| erstazi | 3 years ago, I don't remember anything or what happened | 05:16 |
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| Lloyd | is there firefox for 770? | 05:18 |
| sully | There is Mini Mozilla | 05:19 |
| erstazi | minimo? | 05:19 |
| _Monkey | minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ | 05:19 |
| erstazi | Lloyd, I have minimo on my OS2006/Nokia 770 | 05:20 |
| * sully gives mplayer a try on his 770 | 05:21 | |
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| sully | gainroot? | 05:26 |
| sully | shucks, I was hoping there'd be a bot reply. | 05:26 |
| straind | gainroot is the crutch of the feeble mind. | 05:30 |
| straind | How's that? | 05:30 |
| Luria | wow | 05:32 |
| Luria | thats odd | 05:32 |
| Luria | i finally got the hebrew keyboard working... but only the small one | 05:32 |
| Luria | if it goes big, it turns into russian | 05:32 |
| straind | How do you make it big? | 05:33 |
| Luria | i mean thumbboard | 05:33 |
| straind | How do you do that? | 05:33 |
| Luria | i think there needs to be an oss font package for nokia | 05:33 |
| Luria | default is to hit the center switch on the d-pad when there is a tap keyboard | 05:34 |
| straind | Doesn't work for me in xterm. :( | 05:35 |
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| straind | I keep finding giant keys after I accidentally put it somewhere and it gets roughed up by the kids or some groceries. | 05:36 |
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| Luria | i think you need osso-xterm maemo hackers edition | 05:37 |
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| Luria | timeless, you there? | 06:15 |
| Luria | anyone experienced with vkbs? | 06:17 |
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| sparr | a web site for submitting photos of windows keys found in the wild, on the side of POS computers and such... would people use it? think it would get filled with spam? | 06:41 |
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| erstazi | sparr, most definitely | 06:44 |
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| kreig | wooo | 07:08 |
| kreig | I went and got my buggy n800 replaced at the Nokia store and the new one is working like a charm so far | 07:08 |
| kreig | one guy tried to tell me it wasn't designed to pull files from my cell phone over bluetooth | 07:09 |
| kreig | but I told him if that was the case, then he can take the n800 back and give me all my money back | 07:09 |
| kreig | he siad, "I'll get my product specialist" and the whole thing was resolved 8) | 07:10 |
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| Lloyd | what country has a nokia store? | 08:36 |
| rwhitby | Finland? | 08:38 |
| _Monkey | i guess Finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) | 08:38 |
| rwhitby | shut up _Monkey | 08:38 |
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| Lloyd | heh | 08:38 |
| Lloyd | Canada doesn't have nokia stores. | 08:39 |
| Lloyd | just sony. | 08:39 |
| Lloyd | first charge to my nokia 770... how long should I charge it for? | 08:39 |
| `0660 | until the battery is full? :) | 08:40 |
| rwhitby | didn't it say in the manual? | 08:40 |
| Lloyd | seriously... who looks at manuals? :) I probably should... but I haven't | 08:41 |
| rwhitby | well, it's something to do while you're waiting for the first charge to complete ... | 08:41 |
| `0660 | i did | 08:41 |
| Lloyd | hahaha | 08:42 |
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| Abulafia | god damn that took forever | 08:59 |
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| Luria | put dd-wrt on my router | 08:59 |
| Luria | thank god for open aps in the area... | 09:00 |
| Blacksitox | bye | 09:00 |
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| Lloyd | noooooooooo! dd-wrt violates GPL | 09:21 |
| Lloyd | try x-wrt.org see #x-wrt | 09:22 |
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| Monkulus | Lloyd, if not, what? | 09:27 |
| Lloyd | ? | 09:28 |
| Monkulus | oh sorry | 09:28 |
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| Luria_ | not dd-wrt | 09:28 |
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| Luria_ | guess he needed a better router | 09:30 |
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| Lynoure | hi, does anyone know a place where I could get dropbear for n770? I've tried three different sites, all no longer there | 11:00 |
| Lynoure | Other non-root requiring ssh-clients are also ok. | 11:00 |
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| soolek | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/d/dropbear/ | 11:04 |
| soolek | add repository in app manager http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ mistral main | 11:04 |
| soolek | and install dropbear using app manager | 11:05 |
| Lynoure | ok, I'll try that | 11:07 |
| Lynoure | app manager is something else than Application installer? | 11:09 |
| Lynoure | (sorry, I'm all new to this device) | 11:09 |
| soolek | tools -> application manager | 11:10 |
| soolek | in n770 menu | 11:10 |
| soolek | then inside app manager choose tools menu -> application catalogue -> new | 11:11 |
| Lynoure | I don't have tools in that menu. Utilities, Control panel, Extras etc but no Tools | 11:11 |
| soolek | how come:) it must be here | 11:12 |
| Lynoure | This could be quite early version... nokia's gift to a dd. | 11:13 |
| soolek | which software version do you have? -> control panel -> device -> about product | 11:13 |
| Lynoure | 1.2005.42-9 | 11:14 |
| soolek | yes, that's the reason | 11:15 |
| soolek | the newest OS version fot 770 is 3.2006.49-2 | 11:16 |
| soolek | I suggest you first to flash your nokia to the newest os version | 11:16 |
| Lynoure | There is a way to upgrade the OS, I bet? Though I think I need to ask liw first | 11:16 |
| soolek | there's hardly any new software for the os2005 release | 11:16 |
| Lynoure | I'm just borrowing this babe, it's not mine (though I'll get either N770 or N800) | 11:17 |
| Lynoure | Is the OS upgrade easy and safe? | 11:18 |
| soolek | yes | 11:18 |
| Lynoure | I'll still ask the owner first, but that will help me sell the idea to him | 11:18 |
| soolek | just make sure you have a battery fully charged | 11:18 |
| Lynoure | ok, looks easy enough based on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux | 11:20 |
| disq | morning | 11:20 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 11:20 |
| Luria_ | anyone know how to decompile a vkb? | 11:21 |
| soolek | Lynoure you can update from windows http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 (there's a link to the updater) or you can also do it using a linux flasher | 11:23 |
| Lynoure | soolek: I prefer not to use Windows if I can avoid it | 11:23 |
| soolek | I assumed that, but just wanted to let you know :) | 11:24 |
| Lynoure | That's why I'm drooling at this device and not some WindowsCE :) | 11:24 |
| soolek | I have both I like n700 more, but there's much much more software for windows ce | 11:24 |
| soolek | n770 | 11:24 |
| Lynoure | I am expecting compiling most debian things for this is not impossible if I really miss something. Could be a bit optimistic, though, but I mostly want it for reading pdf, feeds and checking email | 11:26 |
| soolek | Lynoure once you reflash to the new os have a try my sources.list http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~gs20787/n770/sources.list | 11:27 |
| soolek | there's a lot of usefule software already compiled | 11:27 |
| soolek | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalog2006/ | 11:30 |
| Lynoure | soolek: thank you for the link | 11:30 |
| soolek | no problem | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | Lynoure: porting debian packages is easier with mud (IMNSHO): http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:35 |
| Lynoure | Jaffa: thanks. I'm hoping it will never come to that (too busy with interesting things already to start yet another interesting thing) | 11:39 |
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| Rocketman | Does anyone know where I can get replacement stylii for the N800? My n800 "slipped" from the slip case and the stylus appears to have disappeared into the nether regions of my bedroom | 11:39 |
| Rocketman | I've heard they are listed on some of the European Nokia online stores, but I can't find it in the US store anywhere | 11:41 |
| Lynoure | Rocketman: if that happens to be so, I can get them here in Europe and send to you | 11:41 |
| Rocketman | Can you buy them where you are at? | 11:42 |
| Lynoure | I live in Finland, so if one can order them somewhere, this ought to be that somewhere | 11:42 |
| Rocketman | hehe, yeah just barge into Nokia's build and demand some stylii! | 11:43 |
| Rocketman | If that doesn't work, nothing will | 11:43 |
| Lynoure | http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800&u=/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800 | 11:43 |
| Rocketman | Don't worry, it's not serious, but it looks like the page you've requested isn't available. | 11:44 |
| Rocketman | Try using our search to find what you were looking for: | 11:44 |
| Rocketman | Or you can click on one of the links below to go to our home page or the last page you were looking at. | 11:44 |
| Lynoure | Rocketman: I go into one Nokia building occasionally (Toastmasters meet there) =) but a webshop will prolly be the way | 11:44 |
| Lynoure | below? | 11:44 |
| Rocketman | I basically get an item not found message if I try that item on the US store | 11:44 |
| Lynoure | The Finnish one has them | 11:45 |
| Lynoure | €12.19 for three + delivery. | 11:45 |
| Rocketman | Well, if you can get them I will gladly reimburse you. Can you take paypal? | 11:45 |
| Lynoure | Rocketman: I think I'd rather take IOU until I find something that only ships to USA =) | 11:46 |
| Lynoure | gah, the whole webshop seems broken :( | 11:47 |
| Lynoure | It does not let stuff to be added into the basket | 11:48 |
| Rocketman | I think battering down Nokia's doors sounds like the right approach | 11:48 |
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| gla55_ | some forum nokia downloads are offline too | 11:49 |
| Rocketman | Lynoure, got an im account on aim or icq? | 11:51 |
| Rocketman | pming through the server isn't working, as it appears to be blocked for "unregistered" users | 11:52 |
| Rocketman | apparently due to bot spam | 11:52 |
| Rocketman | Hear that _Monkey? My server doesn't like bots | 11:52 |
| Lynoure | Rocketman: oh, no, I don't use IM at all. but you can message me on otfc or ircnet too | 11:52 |
| Rocketman | specially not _Monkey bots | 11:53 |
| Lynoure | I don't seem to be able to find a way they'd actually sell stylus on the webstore, but I can call them and ask (assuming you have called them and asked at your end and gotten a "no, we don't have them for you") | 11:53 |
| Rocketman | Anyways, Lynoure, I am happy to ship something from the states to you if you can't get it there | 11:54 |
| Rocketman | I will try to call them on Monday and if I don't get a better answer than 404, I will let you know | 11:54 |
| Rocketman | I've found Nokia's post sale support to be pretty much innept | 11:54 |
| Rocketman | For Christ's sake, I want to give them money for a couple plastic sticks! | 11:55 |
| Lynoure | Rocketman: I messaged you my email address, too. | 11:55 |
| Lynoure | :) | 11:55 |
| Lynoure | You could go for stylys-pens. Different, but many like them, and available globally | 11:55 |
| Rocketman | I have plenty of stylii around | 11:56 |
| Rocketman | I have been using PDA's and the like since before 99% of the populace knew what one was | 11:56 |
| Lynoure | I have only since 1999 | 11:57 |
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| Lynoure | Gone now, email me how it went. | 11:58 |
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| roope | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone | 14:51 |
| gla55_ | maddog rox | 14:54 |
| gla55_ | erh maddox | 14:54 |
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| GuiZmo34 | sxpert-work :)) | 16:14 |
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| timeless | is anyone here alive? | 16:54 |
| * timeless has a couple of silly questions | 16:54 | |
| sully | hit me | 16:56 |
| timeless | people keep complaining about "MicroB" being "selected' in the "Set Engine" menu | 16:57 |
| timeless | is that because they don't understand that the blue "selection" is always assigned to the first _enabled_ menu item when you open a submenu? | 16:58 |
| timeless | and has absolutely nothing to do with anything else.... | 16:58 |
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| * timeless pokes sully | 17:02 | |
| sully | That's way beyond my knowledge, sorry :) | 17:02 |
| timeless | well, it's certainly hard for me to expect you to understand how each n800 user thinks | 17:03 |
| timeless | is it at least plausible? | 17:03 |
| timeless | have you read any comments were people make that statement? | 17:03 |
| sully | Unfortunately I'm a 770 user; is this still relevant? | 17:03 |
| timeless | heh | 17:03 |
| sully | no, I've not come across that | 17:04 |
| timeless | there should be a version for you this week | 17:04 |
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| disq | that's good news :) | 17:06 |
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| sully | Just looked it up; very good news! | 17:07 |
| timeless | consider: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=62523&postcount=163 | 17:08 |
| timeless | i think the problem is that people don't understand how menus work | 17:08 |
| timeless | they also don't understand English | 17:08 |
| timeless | which doesn't help matters, but hey... | 17:09 |
| disq | : | 17:09 |
| sully | hehe | 17:09 |
| disq | :) | 17:09 |
| disq | "Only the direct edit to .browser file will do" | 17:09 |
| timeless | a menu labeled "Set Engine" would never have a checkbox | 17:09 |
| disq | are you sure he's misunderstanding the menus | 17:09 |
| timeless | i'm fairly certain, but i'm asking | 17:10 |
| timeless | because i'm not possitive | 17:10 |
| timeless | disq/sully: you have some application on your nokia770/nokia n800, right? | 17:11 |
| disq | what would you like me to test :P | 17:11 |
| disq | i got both devices | 17:11 |
| * timeless ponders | 17:11 | |
| timeless | try notes? | 17:11 |
| timeless | tap the app menu | 17:12 |
| disq | i could try microb, but ok :P | 17:12 |
| timeless | tap the note menu | 17:12 |
| disq | Format->Alignment has optionbuttons btw | 17:12 |
| timeless | in the theme i'm using on my 770, the "new" menu | 17:12 |
| timeless | disq: yes | 17:12 |
| timeless | but it's not called Format>Set Alignment | 17:12 |
| disq | on n800 it's Alignment | 17:13 |
| timeless | the 'Set' bit is *important* | 17:13 |
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| timeless | right, nokia is thankfully not stupid enough to use 'Set' in a menu parenting a radio item | 17:13 |
| disq | it's also "Alignment" in n770. UK locale i think, not sure maybe US | 17:13 |
| timeless | right, the localizers are thankfully consistent here | 17:14 |
| timeless | and not that bad | 17:14 |
| timeless | this menu wasn't designed by a localizer | 17:14 |
| sully | yep, Alignment on the US locale of the 770 | 17:14 |
| timeless | it was designed at the last minute by an engineer | 17:14 |
| timeless | but it too isn't "Wrong" it follows English rules | 17:14 |
| timeless | "Set Engine" means no radio marks for the children | 17:14 |
| disq | ah. the menu in microb hasthe "Set" prefix | 17:14 |
| disq | now i get it | 17:14 |
| timeless | "Engine" alone would imply radio marks for the children | 17:14 |
| timeless | good :) | 17:14 |
| disq | so, any chance to fix the browser, remove set, add optionbuttons? | 17:15 |
| timeless | that's what we're going to do | 17:15 |
| timeless | minor problem though... we need to actually enumerate engines to do that | 17:16 |
| timeless | right now, the list is hard coded | 17:16 |
| disq | ah | 17:16 |
| disq | would take longer to fix :) | 17:16 |
| timeless | so imagine you're using Engine=thrbt | 17:16 |
| timeless | yes | 17:16 |
| timeless | well, if i switch this to use radios | 17:16 |
| timeless | and the item you're using isn't in the list, *then* what? | 17:16 |
| timeless | and worse | 17:16 |
| timeless | if you *pick* something | 17:16 |
| timeless | and we don't switch *now* | 17:17 |
| timeless | what the heck do i show in the menu? | 17:17 |
| timeless | what you're using, or what you're going to use? | 17:17 |
| disq | a (Latched) suffix? not sure? | 17:17 |
| disq | that's a big problem | 17:17 |
| * timeless nods | 17:18 | |
| disq | ok then, go easy | 17:18 |
| disq | keep the set | 17:18 |
| timeless | that's the bigger reason for me not to change it | 17:18 |
| timeless | until i can solve that, anything else is worse | 17:18 |
| disq | add an insensitive "Current: <engine>" item at the top | 17:18 |
| timeless | hrm | 17:18 |
| * timeless likes that | 17:18 | |
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| timeless | could i ditch current and just have the top item be checked w/ a seperator? | 17:18 |
| timeless | .... | 17:18 |
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| timeless | Set Engine> [/] Opera | 17:19 |
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| disq | mmm | 17:19 |
| timeless | | -------- | 17:19 |
| timeless | | MicroB | 17:19 |
| timeless | | Opera | 17:19 |
| timeless | i'm not quite sure that'll work though | 17:19 |
| disq | yeah | 17:19 |
| timeless | people will still not understand what's going to happen when the restart | 17:19 |
| disq | an insensitive checked checkbox? or a check icon, whatever.. will be confusing | 17:20 |
| timeless | i think i'll just right a release note explaining what the menu does and does not do | 17:20 |
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| timeless | Engine>Current>Opera | 17:20 |
| timeless | Engine>Next Launch>[/]Micro | 17:20 |
| disq | or.. just.. add a " (current)" suffix? | 17:20 |
| Blacksitox | hi | 17:20 |
| timeless | | Opera | 17:20 |
| timeless | current doesn't solve the problem | 17:21 |
| disq | that's better but it's too much clutter :) | 17:21 |
| * timeless nods | 17:21 | |
| disq | also, open tabs in background? where is it :P | 17:21 |
| timeless | we should have just not included the menu | 17:21 |
| * timeless chuckles | 17:21 | |
| disq | maybe, but it's handy | 17:21 |
| disq | (i would still prefer seperate windows for opera and ff engines though) | 17:21 |
| timeless | you're greedy | 17:22 |
| disq | well. i am | 17:22 |
| timeless | even QNX didn't manage that one | 17:22 |
| timeless | it's a standard "feature" of integrated interchangable engines | 17:22 |
| timeless | however, i'm not actually certain you can't do it | 17:22 |
| timeless | i seem to recall even in QNX you /could/ run a different engine for a different app | 17:22 |
| disq | i only used the free 1.44meg floppy version of qnx | 17:23 |
| * timeless used 6 | 17:23 | |
| disq | then went back to my OS/2 Warp 3.0 :P | 17:23 |
| timeless | heh | 17:23 |
| disq | OS2 was fun | 17:23 |
| timeless | i switched between QNX6.0, BeOS5, OS/2 Wrap 4.0 | 17:23 |
| timeless | oh, w/ Solaris 8 thrown in for good measure | 17:24 |
| disq | BeOS.. i remember beos.. it had funny colors i think | 17:24 |
| timeless | Nokia colors are funnier | 17:25 |
| timeless | although it's true the default was yellow | 17:25 |
| timeless | but one of nokia's defaults was orange | 17:25 |
| timeless | another was red | 17:25 |
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| disq | it2006 colors? yeah. i liked orange until n800 came along with the black (adria?) theme | 17:26 |
| disq | i also love the music in n770 spotlight video | 17:27 |
| sully | LCARS theme > * | 17:27 |
| * sully laughs | 17:27 | |
| disq | http://europe.nokia.com/A4145106 this video :) | 17:28 |
| timeless | i hope it doesn't require flash | 17:28 |
| timeless | oh wait, it's nokia.com, who am i kidding? | 17:28 |
| sully | oh the irony | 17:29 |
| timeless | oh, it's ok, i'm saved by the fact that my dns doesn't work for *.nokia.com :) | 17:29 |
| timeless | i'm a browser engineer, i hate flash | 17:29 |
| disq | yeah. and the banners | 17:29 |
| timeless | oh, and btw, whoever claims the nokia maemo flash 9 impl is complete is smoking something | 17:29 |
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| timeless | there's unfortunately only one reference in ITT that i've found to the countrary | 17:29 |
| timeless | but i predicted it | 17:30 |
| timeless | and told people internally before they wrote that bs announcement | 17:30 |
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| timeless | well, actually, we removed that page from the browser announcement :) | 17:30 |
| disq | i still have flash disabled in my n800 browser | 17:30 |
| timeless | it's disabled in my 770 here :) | 17:31 |
| timeless | i actually added flash to my firefox earlier to try to view a video stream from some blog | 17:31 |
| timeless | i couldn't find the video ;(~ | 17:31 |
| disq | if the flash threads could be reniced then i would consider enabling it | 17:31 |
| disq | but default priority is too high | 17:31 |
| timeless | it runs in process | 17:31 |
| timeless | which means browser is also blamed for their crashes | 17:32 |
| timeless | and memory behavior and ... | 17:32 |
| disq | need embedded mplayer flash replacement | 17:32 |
| disq | though i think mplayer's only good for flv | 17:32 |
| disq | btw, i don't think flash banners can be fixed | 17:33 |
| timeless | ? | 17:33 |
| disq | they just suck up the resources | 17:33 |
| timeless | i use noscript on my firefoxes | 17:34 |
| disq | there are some banners even opera/ffox on a regular pc can't handle (mouse pointer goes away.. or it updates the canvas so frequently that textarea i-beam flashes faster) | 17:34 |
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| timeless | ok, i'm confused | 17:38 |
| timeless | i really can't reach europe.nokia.com | 17:38 |
| timeless | if you do a dnslookup, what do you get? | 17:38 |
| disq | 147.243.3.83 | 17:38 |
| timeless | same here | 17:38 |
| timeless | i presume you can reach tat? | 17:39 |
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| disq | are you in the corporote LAN? i can reach it | 17:39 |
| disq | (or corporate, even) | 17:39 |
| timeless | my laptop is *normally* in it, yes | 17:39 |
| disq | it's not now? and won't work? that's weird | 17:40 |
| disq | arp cache? | 17:40 |
| timeless | but i only have 192, 127, 169, addresses | 17:40 |
| timeless | arp's my guess | 17:40 |
| timeless | but i don't really speak arp | 17:40 |
| disq | just clear/flush the arp table :) | 17:40 |
| timeless | >arp -a | 17:40 |
| timeless | Interface: 192.168.255.3 --- 0x3 | 17:40 |
| timeless | Internet Address Physical Address Type | 17:40 |
| timeless | 192.168.255.1 00-13-49-68-a1-cd dynamic | 17:40 |
| timeless | -- | 17:40 |
| disq | though i think it only.. yeah.. | 17:40 |
| disq | i was going to say that. :) | 17:41 |
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| timeless | >? | 17:41 |
| disq | $? | 17:41 |
| disq | :P | 17:41 |
| disq | have you tried a traceroute? | 17:41 |
| timeless | yes | 17:41 |
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| timeless | >tracert -d 147.243.3.83 | 17:41 |
| timeless | Tracing route to 147.243.3.83 over a maximum of 30 hops | 17:42 |
| timeless | 1 * * * Request timed out. | 17:42 |
| timeless | >tracert -d www.mozilla.org | 17:42 |
| timeless | Tracing route to www-mozilla-org.glb.mozilla.com [63.245.213.14] | 17:42 |
| timeless | over a maximum of 30 hops: | 17:42 |
| timeless | 1 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms 88.115.0.1 | 17:42 |
| timeless | .... | 17:42 |
| disq | you could try restarting the gateway | 17:42 |
| timeless | ? | 17:43 |
| disq | modem, ap, whatever | 17:43 |
| timeless | gateway = router? that works fine for e.g. morg | 17:43 |
| disq | agh. | 17:43 |
| disq | no more ideas :/ | 17:43 |
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| Emh5945 | I need help with pidgin on my n770 | 17:45 |
| Emh5945 | Please, somebody? | 17:46 |
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| pupnik_ | Vivi got magician shoes! | 18:01 |
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| Blacksitox | traductor english to spanish for n800 ? | 18:44 |
| timeless | 18:45 | |
| _Monkey | i guess google is my friend | 18:45 |
| disq | _Monkey: lol | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | disq: sorry... | 18:46 |
| disq | _Monkey: don't forget google | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | disq: what? | 18:46 |
| timeless | _monkey lol is <reply> | 18:46 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 18:46 |
| pupnik_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Machine_Translation_software | 18:47 |
| Blacksitox | timeless, one application, | 18:47 |
| timeless | google does translation... | 18:47 |
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| Abulafia | timeless, still there? | 18:58 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all .... sorry for my silly question (and for my bad english of course ... :( ) about 2 mounth ago someone told me that a new relese on OS for N800 will be relased and this version broke the API compatilibty but align all the library used to the last available. My information is correct? And if true this version is the last that it is released at the beginning of august? | 19:13 |
| Luria | its sorta true | 19:15 |
| sparr | won a tablet at auction | 19:15 |
| sparr | but i cant really afford to keep it :( | 19:16 |
| sparr | gonna end up having to sell it | 19:16 |
| Luria | there was an alpha sdk release for maemo 4 earlier this month | 19:16 |
| Luria | mk8, google "chinook n800" | 19:16 |
| Luria | some parts of chinook have been released as beta (micrb, rtcomm) but as yet, it isnt really out | 19:18 |
| mk8 | Ok Luria, so this version will be an major version upgrade of the OS | 19:19 |
| Luria | yes | 19:19 |
| mk8 | you know when this OS will be out? | 19:19 |
| Luria | plus switch to a packaging, and not a flash, upgrade system | 19:19 |
| Luria | no idea | 19:19 |
| mk8 | the N800 hardware must be upgrade? | 19:20 |
| Luria | new versions of maemo in the past required flashing and thus clearing the system | 19:20 |
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| Luria | no they are using a desktop (downloading packages) approach | 19:21 |
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| Luria | as a guess tho, since 3.2 was out in july, i wouldnt expect the new maemo 'til fall | 19:21 |
| Luria | there is at *least* one more major firmware update confirmed after that | 19:22 |
| mk8 | as usual, I just update to the 2007.26-8 version | 19:22 |
| sparr | so upgrade on new n800 firmware will be a simple apt-get dist-upgrade? :) | 19:22 |
| Luria | thats the idea, supposedly | 19:23 |
| Luria | one sec | 19:23 |
| Luria | brb | 19:23 |
| mk8 | no sparr ... in the other case you must download the image and install on the N800 .... obviously you lost all the data and the application. | 19:24 |
| mk8 | For the data you can use the backup utility | 19:24 |
| mk8 | but for the application you must redownload and reinstall again | 19:24 |
| sparr | mk8: i think that luria is saying that way is going away | 19:26 |
| disq | no. the next firmware (4.0) will be flashed. updates to 4.0 are planned to use the dist-upgrade method | 19:26 |
| sparr | which is a good thing... there is no reason to require a reflash with a debian-based device | 19:27 |
| Luria | im sorry, i should have been clearer | 19:27 |
| sparr | i can only dream that they will stop ignoring the 770 long enough to backport SOME of that | 19:27 |
| Luria | disq is correct | 19:27 |
| Luria | meh, just ordered a 770 | 19:27 |
| disq | sparr: afaik a new release of the os2007on770 is around the corner | 19:28 |
| mk8 | disq: in the 3.2 version I must use the flasher utility. If for the 4.0 version I can use apt-get I'm happy ... :) | 19:28 |
| disq | you won't be able to dist-upgrade from 3.2 to 4.0, sorry | 19:28 |
| kreig | is dropbear-server the recc. way to get a ssh server running on my n800? | 19:29 |
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| sparr | kreig: i prefer openssh for feature completeness | 19:30 |
| disq | you can install dropbear-server or openssh (apt-get install ssh) they both work | 19:30 |
| disq | i use openssh too | 19:31 |
| kreig | ok, I prefer openssh as well | 19:31 |
| kreig | I'm not familiar with these smaller devices | 19:31 |
| kreig | so I didn't know if I needed to be running stripped down versions of alot of stuff | 19:31 |
| kreig | oh man | 19:34 |
| kreig | so nice | 19:34 |
| kreig | is there a version of xterm that is optimized for input on this device? | 19:35 |
| kreig | being able to do "up arrow" or alt-p would be nice | 19:36 |
| mk8 | I use osso-xterm that work fine | 19:36 |
| disq | xterm? | 19:36 |
| _Monkey | xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard | 19:36 |
| disq | good _Monkey | 19:36 |
| kreig | sweet | 19:37 |
| pupnik_ | _Monkey: openlogos is a language translator http://logos-os.dfki.de/#mozTocId415559 | 19:37 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik_. | 19:37 |
| disq | just navigate to maemo-hackers.org though it's easier to tap-type :P | 19:37 |
| kreig | I hae got a good grip on the hadwriting input, but xterm don't like that | 19:37 |
| pupnik_ | krieg, use the dpad for up-arrow | 19:38 |
| kreig | doh! | 19:38 |
| pupnik_ | hehe | 19:38 |
| disq | ah, that too. | 19:38 |
| kreig | apt-get install wireless-tool; drool | 19:40 |
| kreig | i remember hacking debian packges in like 1998 | 19:40 |
| kreig | now it's on this little tiny machine, instead of the Sun ultra 1E | 19:40 |
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| sparr | kreig: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png | 19:45 |
| sparr | ive switched to that xterm so i can have ctrl and alt and such | 19:46 |
| sparr | also so i can have a larger terminal | 19:46 |
| kreig | dude | 19:46 |
| kreig | erc in emacs | 19:46 |
| kreig | you run that normally on your n800? | 19:47 |
| kreig | that is my usual env on my desktop | 19:47 |
| kreig | what I am in now 8) | 19:47 |
| sparr | n770 | 19:48 |
| kreig | yah, just saw, it is for 2006 os and n770 | 19:48 |
| kreig | I am not fmailiar with how much compatability I should expect | 19:49 |
| sparr | almost anything for 2006 will run on 2007 | 19:49 |
| kreig | i am running n800 and 4.2007 | 19:49 |
| sparr | some things for 2007 will run on 2006 | 19:49 |
| kreig | that's kesl | 19:49 |
| kreig | kewl | 19:49 |
| kreig | i guess libc and all the core shit has been stable for awhile | 19:49 |
| sparr | i hate developers who make packages that Depend on things they dont really need. i keep downloading debian armel packages that "Depend" on libc6 2.5.5 and wont install because we have 2.3.5... and they work just fine | 19:49 |
| kreig | they must be using a debhelper and now hand-checking the deps | 19:50 |
| sparr | ive actually got dummy equivs packages on my 770 to provide libc6 2.5.5 and debianutils and coreutils | 19:50 |
| sparr | and a handful of other things | 19:50 |
| kreig | I need another AP in my house | 19:52 |
| sparr | i need an ap in my car with a clearwire antenna :) | 19:53 |
| sparr | i could almost get rid of my cell phone | 19:53 |
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| sparr | im in range of my car over 95% of the time | 19:53 |
| kreig | wow, I am totally floored | 19:54 |
| sparr | ? | 19:56 |
| kreig | the xterm with the kbd overlay | 19:58 |
| kreig | and the fact that this is a little debian box | 19:58 |
| sparr | heh | 19:59 |
| sparr | i encountered a guy with a sony mylo the other day | 19:59 |
| sully | Neat isn't it? | 19:59 |
| mk8 | I go out .... syl | 19:59 |
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| sparr | they have a slicker GUI... but i put his "runs on linux" to shame with my xterm and apt-get | 19:59 |
| sparr | id kill for the mylo's keyboard though | 20:00 |
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| sparr | there are so many handheld devices in the $100-$150 range that have decent dev/poweruser/hacker communities | 20:00 |
| sparr | why wont one company make a single awesome $200 handheld? | 20:01 |
| kreig | it'll take awhile to figure out what it what | 20:01 |
| sparr | touch screen, slide/flip/fold thumbkeyboard, respectable d-pad, buttons on BOTH SIDES, at least one SD slot | 20:01 |
| sparr | this isnt rocket science | 20:01 |
| kreig | oh, form, yah, seems reasonable | 20:02 |
| disq | anybody else having problems with OGG support in n800? i installed the package(s) but it (it being osso media player/server) still won't play | 20:02 |
| sparr | disq: reboot | 20:02 |
| disq | did reboot | 20:02 |
| sparr | oh :( | 20:02 |
| sparr | beats me then | 20:02 |
| sully | 320x240 resoltunion on the Mylo | 20:02 |
| sully | holy typo | 20:03 |
| sparr | sully: i could live with 320x240 if a device got everything else right | 20:03 |
| sully | Agreed, but it'd make web surfing difficult | 20:03 |
| sparr | disagree. | 20:03 |
| kreig | for me the screen res is essential | 20:03 |
| kreig | I am already suffering enough from monitors | 20:03 |
| kreig | I don't want to go blind any faster than I am now 8) | 20:03 |
| sparr | a GOOD 6pt font on a screen with large pixels can cram a crapload of text onto a low resolution | 20:03 |
| kulve | disq: the built-in player doesn't support ogg (afaik) | 20:04 |
| pupnik_ | disq i remember seeing something about MIME settings? i may be thinking of the wrong thing | 20:04 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 20:04 |
| sparr | i had no problem surfing the web on my asus pda, with 240x320 resolution | 20:04 |
| sully | Need that touchscreen too | 20:04 |
| pupnik_ | feh | 20:04 |
| sparr | yeah, touchscreen is a must | 20:04 |
| disq | osso-media-server won't play ogg (launched via dbus) either | 20:04 |
| disq | same code works fine on 770 with mogg | 20:04 |
| sully | The HTC TyTn comes very very close to me | 20:04 |
| sparr | the only thing about the mylo that i envy is the keyboard and the sd slot | 20:04 |
| sparr | relative to the 770 | 20:04 |
| disq | (in mogg's case, ogg length is not reported with the get_position call, but that's another story) | 20:04 |
| sparr | disq: i noticed the position lacking in kagu... was gonna mention it :) | 20:05 |
| sully | HTC TyTn: Touchscreen, QWERTY, Wifi, cell phone, but unfortunately no GPS | 20:05 |
| sully | And, well, Windows Mobile 5 needs work | 20:05 |
| sparr | cell phone is a maybe for me. if they can cram it in cheap, sure. | 20:05 |
| sully | It's nice when we don't have Wifi spread out all over | 20:05 |
| kreig | i got a new cellphone yesterday that I can use DUN thru | 20:05 |
| sparr | so far id rather have my cell phone in the other pocket | 20:05 |
| kreig | but I haven't got it working yet | 20:06 |
| sparr | and have a single handheld for everything else | 20:06 |
| kreig | unfortunaely, it keeps asking for confirmation whenever I wanna DUN pair | 20:06 |
| sparr | cell phone + camera, pda + games + web | 20:06 |
| disq | sparr: i managed to get the current position working, but it won't seek without knowing the length of the track | 20:06 |
| kreig | I would like it to work with the cellphone in my backpack | 20:06 |
| sparr | disq: interesting. happy/sorry to have inspired the attempt :) | 20:06 |
| sully | Maybe I'll get an 800 at some point | 20:07 |
| sully | The 770 with the MMC card boot and kernel hack for speed is pretty good for now | 20:07 |
| kreig | if only my camera did bluetooth 8) | 20:07 |
| sully | Right now I've got to get people at work to try to set up IP over DNS | 20:08 |
| sparr | kernel hack for speed? link | 20:09 |
| sully | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7342 | 20:09 |
| sully | I followed weezedog's instructions | 20:10 |
| sully | oh, make damn sure your card supports the higher speeds | 20:10 |
| sully | Kingston 2GB card here does | 20:10 |
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| kreig | is there a recc. 8 gig card? | 20:15 |
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| disq | so, anybody up for designing a teletubbies theme on the n800? *cracks whip* | 20:18 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, does anyone here have OGG working on the n800? | 20:20 |
| disq | teletubbies theme is more important | 20:21 |
| sparr | sully: damn. im not flashing again, hope someone packages that | 20:22 |
| trevarthan | teletubbies theme? Are you mad? | 20:22 |
| pupnik_ | otherwise known as Windows XP theme | 20:23 |
| disq | of course we'll need emulated teletubby sounds and soundeffects since we can't use the bbc ones | 20:23 |
| trevarthan | Po! | 20:23 |
| disq | vacuumcleaner! scaryphone! | 20:24 |
| kreig | haha! | 20:25 |
| kreig | took over my screen sess from my n800 | 20:25 |
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| pupnik_ | i'd like to see 770s/800s in hospitals for ppl to surf the web from bed | 20:25 |
| kreig | are my words realy small now? | 20:25 |
| disq | pupnik_: somebody actually blogged about it.. or a forum post in ITT i think. last year or so | 20:26 |
| trevarthan | kreig: no. IRC doesn't have font support. | 20:26 |
| kreig | i could be in the loo and you would never know! | 20:26 |
| trevarthan | I'm naked. | 20:27 |
| sparr | i use my 770 on the toilet :) | 20:27 |
| trevarthan | (not really) | 20:27 |
| sparr | for reading and surfing and irc | 20:27 |
| disq | i stress-test kagu on the toilet all the time (well.. i should choose my words carefully) | 20:27 |
| sparr | kagu vs canola... | 20:28 |
| sparr | open source, not | 20:28 |
| sparr | album covers, not | 20:28 |
| sparr | ..., decent volume and seek control | 20:28 |
| disq | lol | 20:28 |
| sparr | :( | 20:28 |
| kreig | which isnot open? | 20:28 |
| sparr | kreig: canola | 20:28 |
| _Monkey | well, canola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend | 20:28 |
| sparr | ..., upnp support | 20:28 |
| trevarthan | sparr: stop bitching and code it yourself. | 20:28 |
| sparr | trevarthan: working on it :-p | 20:28 |
| trevarthan | we just closed 17 tickets yesterday. :) no way I've had time to do the volume stuff. | 20:29 |
| sparr | me and pygame are becoming intimately acquainted | 20:29 |
| sparr | considering doing pyweek (poorly) | 20:29 |
| trevarthan | yeah. it's got a learning curve. | 20:29 |
| disq | upnp support in canola is not bad, but mediastreamer rocks about that. hope they don't fubar it up like they did with the n770's default media player | 20:29 |
| kreig | so do i have to run as user? | 20:29 |
| trevarthan | kreig: yes | 20:29 |
| sparr | kreig: running things as root is a bad idea, because some developers who shall remain nameless do not consider that you might run them that way :-p | 20:30 |
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| sparr | disq: i agree, mediastreamer is my upnp client of choice | 20:30 |
| trevarthan | I have zero interest in Upnp because it never works for me. go figure. | 20:30 |
| sparr | i wonder if there is a upnpfs driver anywhere, to make it transparent to non-upnp apps | 20:30 |
| sparr | like smbfs | 20:30 |
| kreig | i meant could imake my own user account and replace "user" | 20:30 |
| sparr | kreig: no | 20:31 |
| sparr | kreig: Bad Things(TM) will happen where devs have hardcoded /home/user... | 20:31 |
| disq | i don't use it upnp much because wifi reception from the bedroom is poor on the opposite/empty side of the bed | 20:32 |
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| kreig | woo | 20:37 |
| kreig | sshed into the little fucker | 20:37 |
| kreig | too kewl | 20:40 |
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| hashtx | someone had problem with intltool in scratchbox? | 21:17 |
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| hashtx | when i try to build a deb package it says that it's and old version but it's not | 21:18 |
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| hashtx | configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.23 or later. | 21:23 |
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| pupnik_ | what target hashtx? | 21:35 |
| pupnik_ | rather what os? | 21:35 |
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| Gorion1 | someone knows what links are essential inside sources.list in scratchbox | 22:14 |
| Gorion1 | ? | 22:14 |
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| pupnik | that depends on what environment you have - gregale or bora | 22:15 |
| Gorion1 | bora | 22:16 |
| Gorion1 | i've installed scratchbox apophis with arm | 22:17 |
| * erstazi loves scratchbox | 22:17 | |
| pupnik | i think the essentials are already there | 22:17 |
| Gorion1 | but not by the script .. with the tarballs | 22:17 |
| pupnik | if you are missing a library, do a web search for *.deb + maemo | 22:18 |
| pupnik | i don't have bora here yet - still building with gregale (since i don't use much of the OS) | 22:18 |
| Gorion1 | i think it is deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 22:19 |
| Gorion1 | but i'm not sure | 22:20 |
| Gorion1 | installing by the tarballs it comes with links to etch debian only | 22:20 |
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| pupnik | afaik the sources.list is installed not by scratchbox tgzs but by the target OS rootfs | 22:22 |
| Gorion1 | but i have to install rootstrap? | 22:23 |
| Gorion1 | i ve skiped this | 22:24 |
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| pupnik | you need a maemo rootfs to build maemo apps | 22:26 |
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| pupnik | wb unique311 | 22:26 |
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| pupnik | scratchbox doesn't come with the target filesystem - you could install scratchbox and then build things for (i dunno exactly ) zaurus or other operating systems | 22:27 |
| unique311 | hello | 22:28 |
| keesj | hi | 22:29 |
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| Gorion1 | but where i get a rootfs? ive installed a toolchain for arm .. i am logged in this target | 22:29 |
| Gorion1 | i have maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel but i didn't installed in this target its necessary? | 22:31 |
| pupnik | i don't want to give incorrect advice - but afaik i installed the Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootfs_Nokia_Binaries | 22:32 |
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| keesj | Gorion1: it depends on what you want do do, in the 3.1 there are 3 part, sbox , the rootstrap, and the nokia binaries | 22:35 |
| keesj | I never had to install the binaries | 22:35 |
| keesj | with 3.2 I don't understand it any more, one of those components is gone the roofs? | 22:37 |
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| Gorion1 | keesj: i want to test applications for n700. i supose i need the maemo rootstrap in this case yes? | 22:39 |
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| jjo_ | Gorion1: you didn't ask me but yes | 22:40 |
| jjo_ | with scratchbox of course | 22:40 |
| lle2 | keesj: I think it tries some sort of apt-get upgrade thing, "automatically" | 22:40 |
| jjo_ | but actually 3.1 used scratchbox and had rootstraps, nokia binaries and rootfs | 22:41 |
| jjo_ | 3.2 has only repositories and nokia binaries | 22:41 |
| Gorion1 | the problem was that i've installed maemo3.1 by the sh script and then the 3.2.. but every time i was trying to build deb packages the stopped saying that intltool was too old.. and it was the lastest version | 22:41 |
| jjo_ | rootstraps are replaced by the upgrade process and rootfs was just plain dropped | 22:41 |
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| keesj | lle2: yes, it creates a list of supposed packages. | 22:42 |
| lle2 | keesj: makes it awful to try to test sb2 against it | 22:43 |
| Gorion1 | i see | 22:43 |
| keesj | jjo_: thanks for the info. | 22:43 |
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| lle2 | keesj: it requires sb1 + 3.1 rootstrap to get going, but the rootstrap basically lacks everything that apt-get needs to work | 22:43 |
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| Emh5945 | I need help with pidgin on my n770 | 22:44 |
| keesj | lle2: indeed, why not use the smae trick you used for running on the system itself , so determine the packages from a running device or is that to messy? | 22:44 |
| lle2 | keesj: sure, the target image would be useful, but it's not available as a tarball, fetching the contents from the jffs2 image is not trivial | 22:45 |
| lle2 | sb2 can't use host apt or dpkg for installing, unlike sb1 | 22:46 |
| lle2 | sb2 would need the buildroot to contain a working target apt and dpkg | 22:46 |
| lle2 | been asking for that for a few months now, maybe some day | 22:47 |
| Emh5945 | Can someone help me with pidgin on my n770 | 22:48 |
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| Gorion1 | lle2: how did you installed you environment. | 22:49 |
| Gorion1 | ? | 22:49 |
| erstazi | Emh5945, I personally prefer gaim on my n770 | 22:49 |
| Emh5945 | I have tried both, and pidgin used to work but it suddenely stopped working | 22:49 |
| keesj | lle2: I guess it would not be such a problem if you could "just" create your own | 22:49 |
| erstazi | Emh5945, but my suggestion is make sure you download and install the protocols that you need, the actual Pidgin app only comes with the container, you personally need to download and install the protocols | 22:49 |
| erstazi | Emh5945, ah it was working but now its not, any error messages? any warnings? | 22:50 |
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| * keesj still has a broken browser on his n800 :( | 22:50 | |
| lle2 | Gorion1: I've not used sb1 for many years now, so don't ask me :) | 22:50 |
| Emh5945 | I did install the prtocols, it was working fine then while i was using it it crashed and t no longer opens | 22:50 |
| erstazi | Emh5945, reinstall pidgin | 22:51 |
| erstazi | and the protocols | 22:51 |
| kupesoft | I'm thinking about getting the n800, but proper wireless injection stuff is *rather* important to me, since I do work in that field. I know the built-in 802.11 adaptor doesn't support it, but is there any reason I couldn't use a wireless USB dongle and compile my own drivers? | 22:51 |
| Emh5945 | I have reinstalled it three times along with the protocols | 22:51 |
| Gorion1 | i'am having a painfull error with intltool i removed and when i tried to reinstall it didnt find a package for it | 22:51 |
| keesj | Gorion1: what os are you running? | 22:52 |
| Gorion1 | ubuntu | 22:52 |
| lle2 | kupesoft: if your dongle can get its power from somewhere other than n800, then maybe. the host patches are experimental though | 22:52 |
| Gorion1 | but the error occurs inside scratchbox. it says that intltool is too old | 22:53 |
| kupesoft | lle2: Ah, it's powerless? | 22:53 |
| Gorion1 | i don't know if intltool already comes with sbox or with the rootstrap | 22:54 |
| lle2 | kupesoft: the battery gives use ~4V max, no way to really get meaningful 5V source | 22:54 |
| Emh5945 | I've already tried reinsalling it along with the protocalls | 22:55 |
| keesj | No, it's not powerless not on the n800 but it doe snot give much power | 22:55 |
| kupesoft | Do usb wireless dongles need more than 4V? | 22:55 |
| keesj | lle2: there was some charge pump but you are right I messured only 3,6 volt on the host | 22:56 |
| lle2 | Gorion1: I think the intltool comes from sb1 | 22:57 |
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| lle2 | Gorion1: not at all sure though, but it would be the sb1 way | 22:58 |
| lle2 | Gorion1: you can maybe install your own intltool to /host_usr inside sb1, depends if it's worth the trouble | 22:59 |
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| lle2 | Gorion1: use host-gcc to compile it if necessary | 22:59 |
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| Emh5945 | Help with pidgin on n770 PLEASE | 23:01 |
| kupesoft | what wireless driver does the n800 use? | 23:01 |
| kupesoft | Or is it proprietary? | 23:01 |
| Gorion1 | lle2: thanks ill try it | 23:02 |
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| amr | Emh5945, whats up | 23:03 |
| Gorion1 | lle2: but where is located host_gcc ? | 23:03 |
| Emh5945 | Pidgin used to run fine then when i waas using it it crashed and it no longer opens, i have reinstalled it and protocols | 23:04 |
| lle2 | Gorion1: inside sb1, say host-gcc | 23:04 |
| lle2 | Gorion1: doesn't matter how your target is configured, it'll always do the same | 23:04 |
| Silicium | are USB hostmode for N800 currently not availble? | 23:05 |
| lle2 | Gorion1: so do something like this: CC=host-gcc ./configure --prefix=/host_usr && make && make install | 23:05 |
| matmo | evening all. 770 with HE, cannot install/uninstall anything. Even tried as root using "dpkg -r mplayer" but get "error in /var/lib/dpkg/status near line 9061 package osso-applet-textinput-l10n-ruru" | 23:05 |
| keesj | lle2: by default host-gcc is not installed on 3.1 | 23:06 |
| lle2 | keesj: it isn't? oh my... | 23:06 |
| lle2 | Gorion1: as I said, ignore everything I say, things seem to have, um.., evolved? | 23:07 |
| keesj | lle2: every new release is getting harder and harder to install. | 23:08 |
| keesj | perhaps not harder but it's constantly changing | 23:08 |
| lle2 | keesj: survival of the fittest, aye? | 23:08 |
| pupnik | matmo - you can fix that file by hand, or restore from a backup | 23:08 |
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| pupnik | matmo: check that directory for backup file - run a diff between them | 23:09 |
| matmo | ok, trying now | 23:10 |
| kupesoft | Can anyone tell me what driver is used for the n800's wireless adaptor, lspci or otherwise...? | 23:10 |
| pupnik | kupesoft: i don't know - perhaps lsmod would show it | 23:11 |
| Emh5945 | Pidgin used to work fine then it crashed while i was using it and now i fails to load, i have reinstalled it along with protocols it doesnt work | 23:11 |
| keesj | kupesoft: search on garage there is page for the driver. it has been updated recently | 23:11 |
| * pupnik doesn't know pidgin | 23:11 | |
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| N800 | pidgins are flying rats in NYC | 23:12 |
| N800 | nasty animals | 23:12 |
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| Gorion1 | lle2: it worked uhauhauha | 23:14 |
| matmo | pupnik: thanks! Now anybody know which mplayer to use on HE, ie, the 770 or 880 release? | 23:14 |
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| pupnik | 770 | 23:16 |
| pupnik | afaik | 23:16 |
| matmo | ok | 23:16 |
| Emh5945 | Come on i need help please | 23:16 |
| matmo | pupnik: out of interest, do you know what corrupts "status" file? | 23:17 |
| pupnik | no - i had that error, googled the answer and that's about it | 23:17 |
| matmo | ok, at least mplayer is now trying to do something :-) | 23:18 |
| matmo | ...but I think it's hung :-( | 23:19 |
| matmo | ah no, back now but no play .flv | 23:19 |
| pupnik | is there a brand new it2007he out? | 23:20 |
| matmo | ...but is player canola vid ok :-) | 23:20 |
| matmo | pupnik: not when I checked a few hours ago | 23:20 |
| pupnik | ok | 23:21 |
| matmo | apart from the 770 installed vid this is the first time I have had one running on the 770 - neat! Better than I was led to believe | 23:22 |
| amr | is it normal for kagu scanner to lock up my device? | 23:22 |
| Gorion1 | lle2: thanks know i can build deb packages.. the host-gcc comes with my 3.1 | 23:23 |
| kupesoft | keesj: I'm having trouble finding said page, | 23:23 |
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| ssvb | matmo: also try '-nosound' or '-ao esd -ac ffmp3' options with mplayer to narrow down the problem | 23:25 |
| pupnik | nice to see you ssvb... hope you're doing well :) | 23:26 |
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| matmo | ssvb: thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a go. The problem one is just a test dl from youtube. Next to try xvid | 23:26 |
| ssvb | pupnik: thanks, I'm fine | 23:27 |
| ssvb | matmo: hangs are most likely related to audio output, flv or xvid hardly will make any difference (though trying more videos will definitely not harm) | 23:28 |
| pupnik | is the audio problem related to the it2007he dspsound/pcm3 -> pcm2 problem? | 23:29 |
| matmo | ssvb: yep "-nosound" gets the vid running | 23:29 |
| ssvb | pupnik: there were (and maybe still are) problems with fast starting/stopping gstreamer pipeline on N800 | 23:30 |
| amr | i just make my vids work with the inbuilt player | 23:31 |
| amr | am i missing out or something | 23:31 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: mplayer now uses 100 milliseconds delay before resuming playback as a workaround, maybe on 770 it does not work properly | 23:32 |
| amr | ok this doesnt look good, my 770 can connect fine to my wireless network | 23:32 |
| amr | but trying to get a website i get 'Network problem' | 23:32 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: probably the best solution would be free mp3 and vorbis decoders running on DSP in order to get rid of this gstreamer hack | 23:34 |
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| matmo | ssvb: other option doesn't get sound. No prob, I'll check it later. The canola vid is flv so must be something about the utube one. Most my own vids are in xvid. | 23:35 |
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| pupnik | agree ssvb | 23:36 |
| ssvb | pupnik: proprietary DSP codecs have one more disadvantage, there is no way to get decoded audio back from DSP which makes them unsuitable for A2DP | 23:36 |
| pupnik | i blame TI :) | 23:37 |
| pupnik | also the lugnuts who hold the mp3 patents | 23:37 |
| amr | ugh what the hell is up with my 770 | 23:37 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: I wonder if mp3 patents are valid in Europe? Also Nokia probably already paid "protection money" for mp3 patents for us | 23:40 |
| Gorion1 | can i install from scratchbox using the install file on maemo site? | 23:40 |
| amr | any one any idea why i can connect to the access point fine | 23:42 |
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| amr | yet cant go on any sites | 23:42 |
| amr | yet i can on my laptop | 23:42 |
| amr | doing nslookup google.com | 23:43 |
| amr | results in | 23:43 |
| amr | Server: Nokia770-49 | 23:43 |
| amr | Address: 127.0.0.1 | 23:43 |
| amr | then nslookup freezes | 23:43 |
| amr | and i have to ctrl-z | 23:43 |
| ssvb | pupnik: as for DSP, there seems to be lots documentation about it and a free toolchain, at least it should be possible to use DSP just as a number crunching device without the need to access any peripherials | 23:44 |
| amr | anyone at all? | 23:44 |
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| amr | argh | 23:47 |
| amr | should i flash it? | 23:47 |
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| pupnik | ssvb: yes lardman and kulve have been experimenting with this | 23:49 |
| kreig | amr: could it be that your laptop has the DNS server hardcoded? | 23:49 |
| kreig | amr: and the AP is not giving the n770 it's DNS server info, or giving it incorrecly? | 23:49 |
| amr | well i cant go to local ip's either | 23:50 |
| kreig | ah, when it connects does it so "Link-Local" anywhere? | 23:50 |
| kreig | try disconnecting and re-connecting and see if it says that | 23:50 |
| amr | oh wait | 23:50 |
| amr | i can | 23:51 |
| amr | i can connect to local ip's | 23:51 |
| amr | i tried reconnecting, and restarting the 770 | 23:51 |
| amr | hm | 23:51 |
| ssvb | pupnik: BTW, I have found some sources for libmad port to C55x DSP, they also use dspgateway (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.mad.devel/645) | 23:52 |
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| amr | right ill try resetting the router as i think its frozen | 23:52 |
| ssvb | pupnik: did not try to compile them yet though | 23:52 |
| pupnik | being able to compile c code for the dsp makes it interesting for many applications | 23:53 |
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| pupnik | very exciting stuff - does omap 2420 share same dsp as 1710? | 23:54 |
| ssvb | pupnik: sure, it could be used as some kind of 2D accelerator for graphics | 23:55 |
| ssvb | pupnik: yes, it is, but dsp in omap 2420 is clocked at lower frequency, so it might be slower than dsp from 770 (memory speed can make the difference too, so I'm not sure) | 23:56 |
| pupnik | did you write those ASM blitting tests in sdl? | 23:57 |
| pupnik | i downloaded them somewhere - a few of the modes gave vertical bars | 23:58 |
| ssvb | pupnik: no, which ones? | 23:58 |
| ssvb | pupnik: are they at least fast? | 23:58 |
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| pupnik | searching | 23:59 |
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