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| gogol | lsof | grep clipboard shows a socket: clipboard 846 user 3u unix 0xc10c08c0 2662 socket | 00:10 |
| gogol | can i do anything with that information? | 00:10 |
| gogol | anybody smrt around? | 00:10 |
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| sparrw | i could probably figure out the clipboard thing at home | 00:11 |
| sparrw | what are you going to do with the clipboard data? | 00:11 |
| gogol | i want to be able to right-click in opera and copy youtube vid location | 00:12 |
| gogol | and then run a perl script from the menu that takes its argument from clipboard contents | 00:12 |
| sparrw | and what is the perl script going to do? | 00:12 |
| gogol | it would make watching youtube videos very simple | 00:13 |
| gogol | extract the correct get_video link, download and then play in mplayer | 00:13 |
| gogol | correct/de-obfuscated | 00:13 |
| sparrw | meh, id rather have a youtube/gvideo/etc app | 00:14 |
| gogol | works great atm, but you have to open a term, type in script name and then paste the url.... | 00:14 |
| gogol | like a browsing app? | 00:14 |
| sparrw | hmm | 00:15 |
| sparrw | helio has a youtube app | 00:15 |
| sparrw | and we use helio libs on the 770 | 00:15 |
| sparrw | i wonder if theres possibilities there | 00:15 |
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| sparrw | http://thpinfo.com/2007/python-youtube/ | 00:19 |
| sparrw | youtube.com has an API to get xml-formatted lists of videos and such | 00:19 |
| sparrw | with thumbnail images and video URLs | 00:19 |
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| gogol | stream urls or actual links to the .flv | 00:20 |
| gogol | stupid obfuscation crap | 00:20 |
| sparrw | not sure. but we have perl and python scripts to do the deobfuscation | 00:20 |
| gogol | yah | 00:20 |
| gogol | about 10 billion :) | 00:20 |
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| trevarthan | sparrw: you ever get kagu SVN working on your 770? | 00:31 |
| sparrw | yes | 00:31 |
| trevarthan | cool. did you have to change anything? | 00:32 |
| sparrw | nope | 00:32 |
| sparrw | the whatever-made-1.0.5-crash fix works. the script fix works. the ogg scanner works. | 00:32 |
| sparrw | how should ogg track numbers appear? | 00:32 |
| trevarthan | sweet. | 00:32 |
| trevarthan | ummm... as numbers? | 00:33 |
| sparrw | i see my mp3 as "## Name", but i dont know if thats kagu or if my ripper just put the number into the name field | 00:33 |
| sparrw | where? | 00:33 |
| sparrw | where specifically should the track number be? | 00:33 |
| trevarthan | do you have any tracks with really long names? If so, the track number should stay put and the title should scroll horizontally when you focus it (tap and hold over it) | 00:33 |
| sparrw | stay put where? | 00:34 |
| trevarthan | on the screen | 00:34 |
| sparrw | WHERE? :) | 00:34 |
| sparrw | relative to some other elements | 00:34 |
| trevarthan | if the track number scrolls with the title (i.e. disappears), then it's not being stored in a separate variable. | 00:34 |
| trevarthan | it should be to the left of the title | 00:35 |
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| sparrw | i dont have any track titles that long | 00:36 |
| sparrw | but... | 00:36 |
| _Monkey | well, but is there also hardware FP unit or are all the binaries using soft-float? | 00:36 |
| sparrw | the ogg doesnt have a number there at all | 00:36 |
| sparrw | then again, i dont know if my oggs have track numbers :) | 00:36 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: this is an example of a scrolling song title with a fixed track number: http://www.guardiani.us/nowplaying.png | 00:36 |
| sparrw | _Monkey: forget but | 00:36 |
| _Monkey | sparrw: I forgot but | 00:36 |
| sparrw | ill investigate with some hand-crafted oggs this weekend | 00:36 |
| trevarthan | k. sounds great. if the track number is being stored somewhere odd, we want to use it. :) | 00:37 |
| sparrw | in the blue box that is the button for the song | 00:37 |
| sparrw | i see "08 name of the song" | 00:37 |
| sparrw | for a mp3 | 00:37 |
| sparrw | for an ogg from the same album, ripped with different software, i see "name of the song" | 00:37 |
| sparrw | bottom right, below the album art and above the album title, same thing | 00:38 |
| trevarthan | right. so if the track number is being recorded, then we're not using it properly. | 00:38 |
| sparrw | is there a full screen version of the stuff at the bottom? | 00:38 |
| sparrw | for seeking? or for just bigger fonts | 00:38 |
| sparrw | bottom right, that is | 00:38 |
| trevarthan | if you tap the bottom right album icon, it'll pull up larger. | 00:39 |
| trevarthan | tap again, and it'll give you a seek widget. | 00:39 |
| sparrw | ahh | 00:39 |
| trevarthan | tap again and it gives you the normal nowplayingview. | 00:39 |
| sparrw | wow, horrible image | 00:39 |
| sparrw | hh | 00:39 |
| sparrw | album cover is a 8k jpg | 00:39 |
| sparrw | looks silly scaled up | 00:39 |
| trevarthan | yeah. got a ticket for that: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/75 | 00:40 |
| sparrw | song position as inertial vertical menu... even sillier than volume done the same way | 00:40 |
| sparrw | sliders are popular for a reason | 00:40 |
| trevarthan | no they aren't. they're popular because people don't have touch screens. | 00:40 |
| sparrw | i love the touch screen sliders in canola | 00:41 |
| trevarthan | I hate them, especially for seeking. | 00:41 |
| * konttori has fixed the bad bugs on ukmp 1.60 and released 1.61. new download version here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp | 00:41 | |
| sparrw | if you really want to impress me | 00:41 |
| sparrw | give me a wheel | 00:41 |
| trevarthan | I've got some tuning coming down the pipe to make the scroll widgets work better for seeking. we've got tickets for it. | 00:41 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I don't want to get sued, or I would. | 00:42 |
| sparrw | bug: when i seek, and the seek works, the seek 'menu' scrolls back to where i WAS and highlights it | 00:42 |
| sparrw | wheel on a screen? sued by whom? | 00:42 |
| trevarthan | apple | 00:42 |
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| sparrw | i dont think they have a wheel on a touch screen | 00:42 |
| trevarthan | they've got a patent for it | 00:42 |
| sparrw | i think i read about that, something about a device with buttons on one side and a screen on the other | 00:43 |
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| trevarthan | sparrw: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/06/07/20/inside_apples_latest_ipod_touch_screen_patent_filing.html | 00:43 |
| sparrw | its moot. i had touch screen wheel widgets on a PDA at least 10 years ago | 00:43 |
| sparrw | wish i had your skills, thats the sort of lawsuit id love to be on the 'wrong' end of | 00:43 |
| trevarthan | why? | 00:44 |
| trevarthan | You think you'd win? | 00:44 |
| trevarthan | I originally wanted to do the wheel thing. That was my first idea. Scroll widget was my second idea because I didn't want to deal with legal crap. | 00:45 |
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| trevarthan | alright. commute home time. laters peeps. | 00:47 |
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| sparrw | that patent doesnt cover a wheel | 00:49 |
| sparrw | that patent is for different actions for light and hard touches. and sensing approaching fingers. they dont Claim (capital for a reason) the actual wheel, its just one illustration of a possible alternate interaction (the other one being the list view) | 00:50 |
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| sparrw | and yes, i think i would win | 00:52 |
| sparrw | i really really want to be on the 'right' side of a software patent dispute | 00:52 |
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| sparrw | and now, afk for 5 hours, talk to sparr then. | 00:52 |
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| lardman|food | Anyone know of a piece of software that will analyse source code offline and give a tree-type view of the function call structure? | 00:57 |
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| lardman | nice to see vorbis already has code in place to allow custom access to vorbis data | 01:04 |
| lardman | anyone know off the top of their heads whether the vorbisfile callback tell/seek functions take a raw file index as their inputs, or are they calculated with some knowledge of the headers? | 01:07 |
| lardman | just wondering how easy that would be to pass back to the arm side | 01:08 |
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| trevarthan | sparr: if you want to be on the 'right' side, then why don't we implement a wheel in Kagu? :) | 02:15 |
| NeoStrider | hello folks | 02:15 |
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| trevarthan | howdy | 02:16 |
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| NeoStrider | whats up? | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | not a whole lot. just about to sit down to a long night of Kagu bug fixes and new functionality. | 02:17 |
| trevarthan | you? | 02:17 |
| NeoStrider | modeling the new foes for angstron | 02:18 |
| NeoStrider | I've finished the level set! \o/ | 02:18 |
| trevarthan | nice | 02:19 |
| trevarthan | reminds me of that tank game they used to have on all the demo computers in the store in the early nineties. | 02:19 |
| trevarthan | I used to want that game so bad... :) | 02:20 |
| trevarthan | back during the time when CDROMs came with cartridges. :) | 02:20 |
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| nevermnd01 | Hi, | 02:30 |
| NeoStrider | trevarthan: what game? | 02:31 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that game is very funny! | 02:31 |
| NeoStrider | hi nevermnd01 | 02:31 |
| nevermnd01 | I was wondering if anyone could help me... I tried doing a search but had no luck | 02:31 |
| nevermnd01 | I made a small app in pymaemo, and I've been running it via xterm... is there a way I can make a desktop shortcut to it without going through the whole process of making it into a package ? | 02:32 |
| DaniloCesar | nevermnd01, You can create a /bin shortcut.... | 02:33 |
| NeoStrider | hum...hardly | 02:33 |
| NeoStrider | what? | 02:33 |
| nevermnd01 | how's that? (.... this is my first venture into linux :>) | 02:34 |
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| Artemisprime | Hello | 02:39 |
| _Monkey | what's up, Artemisprime | 02:39 |
| Artemisprime | Anyone here ? | 02:40 |
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| NeoStrider | Hello | 02:47 |
| NeoStrider | _Monkey, dont you have something to say to me? | 02:47 |
| _Monkey | no idea, neostrider | 02:47 |
| NeoStrider | =-/ | 02:48 |
| DaniloCesar | _Monkey, Are you a monkey? | 02:48 |
| _Monkey | i haven't a clue, danilocesar | 02:48 |
| timeless | _monkey status | 02:49 |
| _Monkey | Since Sat Aug 11 20:55:03 2007, there have been 367 modifications and 82 questions. I have been awake for 5 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, 20 seconds this session, and currently reference 3847 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. | 02:49 |
| trevarthan | _monkey die | 02:51 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: excuse me? | 02:51 |
| trevarthan | _monkey fart | 02:51 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: sorry... | 02:51 |
| trevarthan | _monkey addressing on | 02:51 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: what? | 02:51 |
| trevarthan | err | 02:51 |
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| erstazi | hello NeoStrider, timeless, trevarthan and * | 02:52 |
| NeoStrider | hello erstazi | 02:53 |
| erstazi | how is everyone? | 02:53 |
| timeless | ok, i'm converting word docs to html. it's great fun | 02:53 |
| NeoStrider | fine | 02:53 |
| NeoStrider | music worked on device! \o/ | 02:53 |
| trevarthan | hey erstazi, wazzup? | 02:54 |
| erstazi | timeless, by hand or by automation? | 02:54 |
| timeless | by mouse | 02:54 |
| erstazi | trevarthan, not much yourself? just finished up working on wife's van | 02:54 |
| trevarthan | erstazi: not much. just settling in for a long night of kagu coding | 02:56 |
| erstazi | ah | 02:56 |
| erstazi | trevarthan, I might do some porting of PocketSphinx for OS2006 | 02:56 |
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| NeoStrider | got to go | 03:10 |
| NeoStrider | cya | 03:10 |
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| Darksmurf | timeless: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=doc2html+gpl&btnG=Search | 03:48 |
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| Luria | you know, i cannot wait for the day these things do voice recognition. | 04:20 |
| shackan | what for? | 04:22 |
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| Luria | dictation? | 04:24 |
| Luria | chatting in irc? ;-) | 04:25 |
| shackan | sure.. and facial recognition for smileys | 04:25 |
| Luria | and another step in the great quest to make the star trek PADD a reality ... | 04:28 |
| Darksmurf | anyone know what PADD stands for? | 04:30 |
| Darksmurf | Luria have you seen the LCARS theme for the IT? | 04:31 |
| Luria | sure | 04:31 |
| Luria | used to use it | 04:31 |
| * Darksmurf hates trying to solder to crome plated metel (in this case: springs inside a battery holder) | 04:31 | |
| Luria | it broke a little too much | 04:32 |
| Darksmurf | ah | 04:32 |
| Darksmurf | I havn't gotten my 770 yet... I wanted to try it out...just from a geek standpoint | 04:32 |
| Luria | in and of itself its perfect | 04:32 |
| Darksmurf | ? | 04:33 |
| Luria | but the lack of text cursor, xterm hacker issues, etc | 04:33 |
| Darksmurf | ahh | 04:34 |
| Darksmurf | I think I just lost a few strands of hair thanks to flying solder.. | 04:34 |
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| Luria | i kept it for a month; it's great, but know the issues first. | 04:34 |
| Luria | you didn't need'em | 04:35 |
| Luria | but why was solder flying? | 04:36 |
| Darksmurf | cleaning a soldering iron tip w/ a crumpled piece of paper..not the brightest thing to do. The paper got compressed and when it cleared the tip of the iron it acts as a catapult | 04:36 |
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| Luria | um wet sponge? | 04:37 |
| Darksmurf | yeah, don't know where my 'real' soldering stuff is | 04:37 |
| Luria | at least they don't fly when the burn... | 04:37 |
| Darksmurf | my iron broke so I went to Radioshack to pickup a cheapie..didn't think about the rest | 04:37 |
| Darksmurf | almost done now | 04:38 |
| Luria | god those irons suck | 04:38 |
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| Darksmurf | I've had one of their digital irons for a few years now, it finally crapped out. It worked quite well actually. Not as nice as what I can use at school, but it served me well. | 04:39 |
| Darksmurf | yeah, the cheapies are..cheap | 04:39 |
| Luria | what are you actually doing? | 04:41 |
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| Luria | In the Star Trek fictional universe, the Personal Access Display Device (PADD) is a hand-held LCARS-based computer device that function as portable links to the ship's main computer, other portable devices, or data stored on isolinear chips. | 04:41 |
| Luria | there's your answer | 04:42 |
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| sully | hey guys, mind a quick question? It seems that the MMCPlus kernel flash I did to my Nokia 770 isn't working. Can I restore my kernel without reflashing the entire device? | 04:50 |
| penguinbait | yes, with the linux flasher you can flash only the kernel | 04:50 |
| sully | hmm. Is there something I could use with kernel_flash from Fanoush's site to restore the changes? | 04:52 |
| sully | Only Windows machines around at the moment. | 04:52 |
| penguinbait | yes fanoush's would work if its booted | 04:52 |
| sully | If I take the flash card out, it boots without a problem | 04:53 |
| sully | *thinks* okay, what image do I want to flash on there to restore the original slow card access speeds, any idea? | 04:54 |
| penguinbait | then yes boot from flash and use fanoush's kernel flash utility | 04:54 |
| sully | bless that fanoush. | 04:54 |
| penguinbait | you can unpack original kernel from nokia image, but again need linux | 04:55 |
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| penguinbait | you need to get a usb or cd version of linux laying around | 04:56 |
| sully | good idea, I *should* have that somewhere | 04:57 |
| penguinbait | it comes in handy quite often | 04:57 |
| penguinbait | I have a flash drive and my stinkpad boots from it | 04:57 |
| Darksmurf | Luria I'll post pics in a bit.. converting an 8 AA battery holder into a 4AA holder + USB hub w/ extra USB A socket | 04:58 |
| sully | haha | 04:58 |
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| erstazi | sully, you could always get an Ubuntu LiveCD and run it | 04:58 |
| sully | I think I have a BlackDog actually | 04:58 |
| erstazi | basically plop the CD into the CD-drive and reboot your computer, and it will run the Operating System | 04:58 |
| sully | who knew that'd come in handy | 04:58 |
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| penguinbait | you need the firmware image and you can use the linux flasher to unpack the image, which will give you a kernel file to flash | 05:00 |
| penguinbait | At this point you might as well just use the flasher | 05:01 |
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| gogol | seriously bad | 05:04 |
| gogol | ^ i am at perl | 05:04 |
| Luria | i use VMs more than live cds these days... though often i use livecds in a VM | 05:05 |
| gogol | but! now have a script that parses 770's bookmarks and will deobfuscate/download any youtube url in it | 05:05 |
| * gogol thinks thats pretty cool. | 05:06 | |
| Darksmurf | sounds cool | 05:07 |
| Darksmurf | so..I'm on youtube.com I see a vid I wanna watch.. run the script and it downloads it.. | 05:08 |
| gogol | needs links browser until somebody smarter can do redirects in perl without modules | 05:08 |
| Darksmurf | could you have it ask if you wanted to then delete the bookmarks? | 05:08 |
| gogol | well you just go around youtube bookmarking anything that looks interestnig | 05:08 |
| Darksmurf | could it use wget? | 05:08 |
| gogol | ooh nice 1 | 05:09 |
| gogol | yeah, i have another one in bash that uses wget | 05:09 |
| Luria | an iphone style browser for youtube would be nice. | 05:09 |
| erstazi | Luria, actually, yes, I use VM's a lot... and one contract I have is moving to using servers on multiple vm's | 05:09 |
| gogol | the perl one checks if the .flv already exists in MyDocs/.videos and will skip if you already have it | 05:09 |
| sully | I do wish the tablets were finger-navigable friendly. | 05:09 |
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| gogol | suppose it could delete the bookmark too :) | 05:09 |
| Luria | live migration is neat | 05:10 |
| Darksmurf | while modding my usb port I popped off an smd part... was a pain in the butt to get back on. uber-small | 05:10 |
| gogol | Darksmurf, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8790 | 05:10 |
| sully | Anyone play with iodine yet, the IP over DNS software? | 05:11 |
| Luria | sully, they are pretty finger nav friendly. could be better, i admit. | 05:11 |
| sully | yeah, they're not bad. I forgot my stylus at home today and did alright. | 05:11 |
| Luria | but ive been browsing and chatting in here with the stylus. | 05:12 |
| Luria | oops without | 05:12 |
| sully | I have a couple of travel BT keyboards I prefer to use | 05:12 |
| erstazi | using a finger works well sometimes but sometimes I have found that small areas are hard | 05:12 |
| Luria | so much for my point ;-) | 05:12 |
| Darksmurf | gogol nice. | 05:12 |
| sully | lo | 05:12 |
| sully | l | 05:12 |
| erstazi | I keep my stylus kept away in the nokia, usually I just use my finger mostly | 05:13 |
| gogol | :D | 05:13 |
| sully | I do love the speed of my 770 using the kernel flash. | 05:13 |
| Darksmurf | sully I'm prob going to give it a go in a few weeks after school settles down. I've gotta get in touch w/ the DNS host for a domain I handle. | 05:13 |
| Darksmurf | sully What did you do to speed it up? | 05:13 |
| sully | Fanoush's "Support for higher MMC 4.1 bus speeds for N770" | 05:14 |
| Luria | yeah bt kybd is a must, especially if you really "use" the IT | 05:14 |
| Darksmurf | Luria I plan on using a usb keyboard to take notes in class | 05:15 |
| Luria | oh, very cool | 05:15 |
| Luria | http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/ | 05:15 |
| Luria | how did i not know about this? | 05:15 |
| Luria | i wish i still had a 5mx lying around | 05:16 |
| Luria | mebbe ebay | 05:16 |
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| Darksmurf | my kingdom for super glue... | 05:21 |
| sully | well, I've never flashing a friend's 770 again. | 05:22 |
| Darksmurf | bad things happen? | 05:24 |
| sully | It sort of didn't support the full 52MHz speed. | 05:24 |
| Luria | hmm didn't know the axim was... err... axed... | 05:24 |
| Darksmurf | sort of? | 05:25 |
| sully | at all! | 05:25 |
| Darksmurf | :-( | 05:27 |
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| Luria | freshdirect needs a damn mobile page | 05:41 |
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| trevarthan | Well, 4 Kagu 1.0.6 milestone bugs fixed tonight. I'm gonna go play some games as a reward. https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/query?status=closed&milestone=1.0.6 | 06:12 |
| sully | you = the guy behind Kagu? | 06:16 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 06:16 |
| sully | Brilliant work | 06:16 |
| trevarthan | one of 'em. the original author anyway. | 06:16 |
| trevarthan | thanks! | 06:16 |
| sully | If I could get python2.5 installed on my 770 I'd use it, haha | 06:16 |
| trevarthan | lol | 06:17 |
| sully | Oddly difficult, that. | 06:17 |
| trevarthan | 1.0.5 doesn't work on the 770 anyway. | 06:17 |
| sully | boo! hiss! | 06:17 |
| trevarthan | The SVN version works on the 770. We just got a guy (sparr) to help us debug it today. | 06:17 |
| sully | I'll keep an eye out on the thread for it :) | 06:18 |
| trevarthan | I don't own a 770.... so... | 06:18 |
| sully | Though again, python2.5. fuck. | 06:18 |
| trevarthan | Yeah. 1.0.6 will support the 770 *and* OGG, thanks the sparr. | 06:18 |
| trevarthan | It'll also have enqueue mode, a ton of fixes, and album art zoom in functionality. | 06:19 |
| sully | Sounds like with that version I'm going to have to revisit installing it | 06:19 |
| trevarthan | Look for it on Monday morning. We try to release late Sunday every week. You can see the milestone progress here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/roadmap | 06:20 |
| sully | great! | 06:20 |
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| trevarthan | OMG... this is nasty... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJKsRPR3ow | 06:26 |
| trevarthan | My brother in law sent me that. | 06:26 |
| qgil | Thanks trevarthan, this is the kind of think you want to see starting to work at 6am... | 06:32 |
| sully | hmm. I should look into a podcast client. be nice to get video podcasts. | 06:36 |
| trevarthan | np. anytime. | 06:39 |
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| qgil | I'm giving a try to pidgin. Can someone write 'qgil' now and then in, say, 10 minutes please? I want to try the ping sound while having the window in focus, with the screen on and off. Thanks! | 06:42 |
| bldewolf | qgil! | 06:46 |
| qgil | That worked well ;) | 06:46 |
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| Luria | qgil | 06:48 |
| sully | well I'll be. no video podcast support. | 06:51 |
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| Luria | what BT devices have people hooked up to the IT (other than keyboard and gps)? | 06:53 |
| Luria | anyone done anything odd? | 06:53 |
| sully | just those two here. | 06:54 |
| Luria | and phone of course :-) | 06:54 |
| penguinbait | gamepad | 06:56 |
| penguinbait | bgp100 | 06:56 |
| Luria | does it work well? | 06:57 |
| penguinbait | I worked ok | 06:58 |
| penguinbait | not really supported anywhere, I got a hacked kbbd, stil works but no source | 06:58 |
| Luria | 770 or n800? | 06:58 |
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| penguinbait | both | 06:58 |
| penguinbait | I no longer have 770 though | 06:58 |
| Luria | really. that may be worthwhile. | 06:59 |
| penguinbait | It would be nice if someone would actively suppport a bt gamepad | 07:00 |
| sully | What are you playing on your 800? | 07:00 |
| penguinbait | was playing around with quake 2 | 07:00 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 07:00 |
| penguinbait | lots of mame | 07:01 |
| sully | It's got that much horsepower? | 07:01 |
| penguinbait | time pilot is fun | 07:01 |
| Luria | i saw mame went main repo | 07:01 |
| sully | Is that 770 compat? | 07:01 |
| penguinbait | quake 2, not really but it does play | 07:01 |
| penguinbait | mame works great | 07:01 |
| sully | hmm. I'm using ScummVM currently. | 07:02 |
| penguinbait | I been playing pacman, joust | 07:02 |
| penguinbait | tetris, break out | 07:02 |
| Darksmurf | I'd love to see Quake 1 | 07:03 |
| penguinbait | me to, with quakeworld client | 07:03 |
| penguinbait | ah, that would be awesome | 07:03 |
| penguinbait | some gamespy applet | 07:04 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 07:04 |
| penguinbait | ctf online on IT would be sweet, and should run decent | 07:04 |
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| sully | ooh, next version of Canola should have podcast downloading. | 07:06 |
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| Darksmurf | and here it is, my battery powered USB hub: http://a.aa.am:9980/wiki/images/PIC-0078.jpg http://a.aa.am:9980/wiki/images/PIC-0079.jpg | 07:11 |
| Darksmurf | ugly as all hell, but it'll do | 07:12 |
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| Luria | omg did you cook it in an oven? | 07:13 |
| Darksmurf | lol | 07:13 |
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| Luria | those pics scream easy bake | 07:14 |
| Darksmurf | used a soldering iron to melt the plastic. enclosed all wires, etc that way. | 07:14 |
| Luria | ;-) | 07:14 |
| Luria | how did you regulate the voltage ? | 07:14 |
| Darksmurf | 5v zener | 07:15 |
| Luria | yay got my bt keyboard out | 07:18 |
| Luria | can you access the circuitry after the melt job? | 07:18 |
| gogol | somebody was talking about dns tunneling earlier | 07:19 |
| Darksmurf | not so much. I CAN, but its not going to be quick | 07:19 |
| gogol | got me reading around and found this http://nulldigital.net/blog/view.php?id=41 , icmp tunneling for the same (nefarious) purposes | 07:19 |
| Darksmurf | gogol I think it was sully..and I mentioned I was going to give it a go in a bit | 07:19 |
| qgil | Can you ping 'qgil' in 10 minutes please? Testing pidgin. Thanks | 07:20 |
| sully | I'm just going to add a note to that thread to encourage the item again :) | 07:20 |
| gogol | qgil i will | 07:20 |
| Luria | crap that reminds me | 07:20 |
| sully | offhand, if I install mplayer should I get .mov/.m4v support? | 07:20 |
| Luria | i meant to read the arrl book for the ham test | 07:21 |
| gogol | like libs? or in mplayer? i think it plays those | 07:21 |
| sully | I'm sure mplayer does. I guess I was wondering if Canola would display it | 07:21 |
| * gogol stops talking | 07:21 | |
| gogol | i begged and pleaded | 07:22 |
| gogol | couldnt get canola to stream _any_ video | 07:22 |
| sully | hah | 07:22 |
| gogol | but i have no mmc yet | 07:22 |
| Luria | um... computers usually respond to changing settings and stuff, but im sure the pleading was cathartic | 07:23 |
| gogol | ha | 07:23 |
| Luria | (yes, j/k) | 07:23 |
| Darksmurf | im now on a keyboard connected to pc via usbA usbA cable connected to my hub w/o batteries. | 07:23 |
| Darksmurf | si it still work :-) | 07:24 |
| Darksmurf | err..it still works* | 07:24 |
| Luria | Darksmurf, now get it running with an n800 | 07:24 |
| Luria | oh is that tcp over dns? | 07:25 |
| Darksmurf | Luria heh... give me an n800 and I'll try :-) | 07:25 |
| Luria | i mean icmp | 07:25 |
| Luria | never mind | 07:25 |
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| Darksmurf | just don't expect much | 07:27 |
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| qgil | gogol, wait 10 minutes more since i woke up the screen to check if anybody had sent a 'qgil' ping ;) | 07:41 |
| qgil | Thx | 07:42 |
| gogol | shit sorry a friend showed up | 07:42 |
| gogol | agh | 07:42 |
| * gogol kicks self | 07:42 | |
| * Darksmurf can't find a 7805...I know I've got some around here somewhere... | 07:44 | |
| Darksmurf | hmm...I guess I can get one from work tomarrow | 07:47 |
| Luria | i wish abiword were stable on the n800 | 07:50 |
| Darksmurf | anyone have any thoughts on the iT app that is designed for note taking w/ the stylus? Supposed to be kinda like MS' oneNote? | 07:51 |
| Luria | which one? xournal? | 07:52 |
| Darksmurf | and yet another random thought.. for those w/ 770's...why worry about 2gb+ RC-MMC cards? USB Flash+9v battery = 1,2,4,8+gb of flash (granted, not as easy to carry) | 07:53 |
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| Luria | cause youve just changed the form factor which kinda defeats the purpose of a 770 | 07:54 |
| Darksmurf | true | 07:55 |
| Luria | Darksmurf, which note app did you mean? | 07:55 |
| Darksmurf | Luria I'm not sure of the app name..gimme a min I'll see if I can find it | 07:55 |
| Luria | cause it sounds a bit like xournal, but if there is something else i'd love to know. | 07:56 |
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| Darksmurf | I remember seeing xournal, but I thought there was an iT native app (i.e. not a port) Maybe I'm mistaken | 07:57 |
| Luria | don't remember? | 08:04 |
| gogol | wow big ping.......... | 08:05 |
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| Darksmurf | Maemopad+ | 08:05 |
| Darksmurf | not quite what I remember, I think xournal is more of what I'm after | 08:05 |
| gogol | ar, cant page qgil im not registered on freenode anymore | 08:05 |
| gogol | somebody? | 08:05 |
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| qgil | It works! Thanks gogol|afk | 08:06 |
| gogol|afk | ah it did, good | 08:06 |
| gogol|afk | off to have some beers, gn all | 08:06 |
| Luria | xournal rocks | 08:07 |
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| Darksmurf | Luria I'm supposed to get my 770 Friday, but I'm not counting on it. Any gotta have apps? Of course xterm, etc. | 08:09 |
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| Luria | im on the n800, but | 08:09 |
| Luria | for me... | 08:10 |
| Luria | xournal, xchat, scite, claws mail | 08:10 |
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| Luria | vnc, rdesktop, wordpy (if you blog). cli, you need nmap, wget, vim and openssh | 08:12 |
| Luria | oh and nethack :) | 08:12 |
| Darksmurf | I usually use nano. Never got the hang of vim. Openssh is a must. | 08:12 |
| Luria | evince seems to render much faster than the n800s PDF viewer. | 08:12 |
| Darksmurf | thats what I've read | 08:13 |
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| Luria | books that were unreadable (3-4 sec page load) were not an issues on evince | 08:13 |
| Luria | i wish i could remove the inbuilt pdf and email programs | 08:14 |
| Luria | gaim/pidgin too. get a BT keyboard | 08:14 |
| Luria | you will want a BT keyboard | 08:15 |
| Darksmurf | can't afford a bt keyboard..I'm going for USB host mode. I'm very sorry to hear the 800 doesn't have usb host mode. USB is the biggest factor in my purchase. I was looking for a SMALL portable SSH terminal so I could take notes and have them stored on my PC at home. I gave up until I found out I could connect a USB keyboard to the 770. | 08:16 |
| Luria | didnt know that the 770 could do that | 08:19 |
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| Luria | still, the speed of the n800 was important to me | 08:20 |
| Darksmurf | it takes a reflash and you have to build a cable to inject 5v into the USB port of the 770 and the USB device. But yeah, from what I hear it works great. There was an posting about a guy who used a skype USB headset to talk on gizmo. | 08:20 |
| Luria | i thought host mode worked for the n800 with a kernel patch | 08:21 |
| Darksmurf | Yeah, I'm worried that the 250mhz CPU is going to hurt. I'm also sad about the memory card situation, but I'll manage. Like I said, this is supposed to be nothing but a note taking device. | 08:21 |
| Luria | until it replaced your mp3 player | 08:21 |
| Darksmurf | I know they are working on it, I didn't know it had been fixed. | 08:21 |
| zuh | Luria: People seem to have trouble with the experimental patches | 08:21 |
| Luria | and then you maintain a pdf library :) | 08:21 |
| Darksmurf | I have a mpd -> icecast server at home..I stream to my cellphone, and I'll be able to stream to the 770 :-) | 08:22 |
| Luria | nice | 08:22 |
| Darksmurf | I expect to switch my ebooks from the cellphone to the 770..the screen should be wonderful | 08:22 |
| Luria | ive tried edge via bluetooth, but i think im sticking to wifi hunting | 08:23 |
| Luria | if only one could crack wep on the n800 ;-) | 08:23 |
| Luria | (yes, yes, but no packet injection) | 08:23 |
| Darksmurf | I do the streaming via edge. When I was in houston a month back I got a taste of 3g.. 7 times the speed! (~150 - 200kbit, 800-990 in houston) | 08:24 |
| Darksmurf | I'm also interested in using the Wifi in the 770 + bluetooth to the cellphone + iptables to make a roving ad-hoc hotspot. Could be nice on road trips :-) | 08:24 |
| Luria | (yes, yes, but no packet injection) | 08:27 |
| Luria | wait so multiple computer connect to your iT to your phone and out? | 08:27 |
| Luria | (sorry) | 08:28 |
| Darksmurf | correct. Slow yes, but better than nothing. enough to check email, RSS, etc | 08:28 |
| Luria | i guess | 08:28 |
| Luria | but thats what the iT is for: checking email, directions, rss feeds | 08:29 |
| Luria | even chatting in irc channels :-) | 08:29 |
| Darksmurf | I usually go w/ 2 or 3 friends to a amatuer radio convetion called Hamvention, largest in the country. Last year we had 4 laptops on the way there, 8 or 9 on the way back :-/ | 08:29 |
| Darksmurf | true | 08:29 |
| Luria | interesting | 08:30 |
| Luria | i was thinking of sitting for the ham test on the 20th just for fun | 08:30 |
| Luria | at columbia uni | 08:30 |
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| sparr | trevarthan: im having trouble with kagu again | 08:32 |
| sparr | trevarthan: you said a wheel in kagu facetiously... thats actually fine with me | 08:32 |
| Darksmurf | do it! you've heard of gateway drugs? Ham radio is a gateway hobby..it gives you many new directions to take any of your other hobbies. Example: RC planes. w/ the lowest level ham license you can use new frequencies that are less crowded and use more power. Computers: how about a 300mile wifi link? antenna designs, etc | 08:32 |
| Luria | i know, i know | 08:32 |
| Luria | dxing with an n800? :) | 08:33 |
| Darksmurf | its not just about sitting around talking on the radio. I also chase near space balloons... http://astro.okstate.edu | 08:33 |
| Darksmurf | it could be done... I guess ;-) | 08:33 |
| Luria | oh it was for talking... | 08:33 |
| Luria | just the fun of knowing | 08:33 |
| Darksmurf | I hope to use the 770 as an APRS client xastir.sourceforge.net | 08:33 |
| Luria | or building a transceiver | 08:34 |
| Darksmurf | yeah, that too. I never got into that side of it. Although the new software define radios are very interesting | 08:34 |
| Luria | oh neat link | 08:35 |
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| Darksmurf | an example of the ham community: a few years ago on our way back from hamvention we saw a car from canada. Plastered with callsign, etc. We knew he was a ham. We make motions window to window to pick a frequency. We start talking. After nearly an hour driving down the road we decide to stop and have dinner together. The 4 of us, him and his two passengers. | 08:37 |
| Darksmurf | It turns out he was a store chaser from canada. He gave tours. Kinda neat. | 08:37 |
| sparr | i wouldnt mind becoming a ham now that the code requirement has been relaxed | 08:37 |
| Darksmurf | relaxed? removed? | 08:38 |
| Darksmurf | yeah, I need to upgrade :-) | 08:38 |
| Luria | you mean the morse requirement? | 08:38 |
| Luria | i started listening to the arrl cds for fun anyway | 08:39 |
| sparr | i got to use a sony mylo today | 08:39 |
| Luria | gah | 08:39 |
| sparr | thats another device on my 'perfect gaming handheld runners up' list | 08:39 |
| sparr | disq trevarthan: kagu writes to /home/user even as root? if im not mistaken, thats very bad. | 08:40 |
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| sparr | disq: i have confirmed that my ogg does not have a track number for mutagen to find | 08:41 |
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| Luria | you know, they need to make a tiny usb dongle that is dsp+fm xmitter | 08:43 |
| timeless | sudo does that too, no? :) | 08:43 |
| Luria | i just saw a very disturbing commerical... | 08:44 |
| sparr | timeless: sudo is supposed to do that. this is the difference in running as root and running from within a shell run as root :) | 08:44 |
| sparr | disq trevarthan: ogg track numbers work. i didnt have any :) | 08:58 |
| sparr | i cant be alone in hating the kagu volume and seek control | 09:05 |
| sparr | its so massive and counter-intuitive | 09:05 |
| qgil | Sorry to bother again with a lasr test | 09:05 |
| qgil | Can you ping 'qgil' now and then in 10 minutes? Now the test on pidgin is done with minimized window. Thanks! | 09:07 |
| Luria | qgil, you good? | 09:23 |
| qgil | Test successful! | 09:24 |
| qgil | Thanks. Ping sounds in irc channel work always with pidgin | 09:25 |
| Luria | np | 09:25 |
| qgil | Now i see that some people had sent personal messages but i got no sound | 09:25 |
| qgil | Will check my prefs | 09:26 |
| Luria | omg the GoBook MR-1 is nuts | 09:27 |
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| Luria | i love ruggedized stuff | 09:29 |
| Luria | http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:MR-1 | 09:32 |
| Luria | well, i know whats replacing my cf-m34 in a few years... | 09:33 |
| sparr | rofl | 09:34 |
| sparr | the tablet | 09:34 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that the tablet is something you browse with while watching tv :) | 09:34 |
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| sparr | the tablet i bought | 09:34 |
| sparr | cnet gave them a lower score because of no CF slot | 09:34 |
| sparr | CF? what is this, 2001? | 09:35 |
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| sparr | no SD, THAT gets a negative from me... but CF?!? | 09:37 |
| timeless | my audrey uses something like cf iirc | 09:38 |
| timeless | yep :) | 09:38 |
| sparr | CF is for devices too small for PCMCIA | 09:39 |
| sparr | and this has a type 2 slot | 09:40 |
| sparr | CF is for devices too small for PCMCIA, before the invention of SDIO | 09:40 |
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| sparr | http://www.welovemacs.com/pcm04.html | 09:41 |
| sparr | problem solved | 09:41 |
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| Darksmurf | how many bluetooth devices can the 770 connect to at the same time? | 10:36 |
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| jhe | Darksmurf: there shouldn't be at least any SW imposed restriction. the device supports scaternets and in a piconet where it's acting as master it can have up to 7 slave connections (which is a restriction of bluetooth and not specific to the 770) | 10:39 |
| Darksmurf | jhe thanks! Just what I was hoping to hear. | 10:40 |
| Darksmurf | err..read. | 10:40 |
| jhe | :) np | 10:41 |
| Darksmurf | jhe: you know of anyone using a nonpowered usb hub w/ the 770 in usb host mode, by injecting 5v into the PC connection? I expect it to backfeed into the 770 to power it's USBchip, as well as feed into the hub to power the other devices. I think the hub should treat it exactly like the 'pc' was feeding it 5v. I'm hoping to avoid the use of a true powered hub. | 10:42 |
| guru3 | as far as i know, in the 5v has to be in between the 770 and your non powered hub | 10:44 |
| guru3 | so as long as you meet that condition | 10:44 |
| Luria | fwiw, ive had keyboard, gps, and edge running at once on my n800 | 10:44 |
| Darksmurf | sounds good. all the howtos say to use a powered hub. I just want to make sure I'm not going to kill the 770. | 10:45 |
| Darksmurf | Luria perfect. | 10:45 |
| guru3 | a powered hub, afaik, but default does not inject 5v into the host port | 10:45 |
| guru3 | what i've done before is crossed the 5v output of a powered hub from the client port to the host port | 10:45 |
| guru3 | and it's worked fine | 10:46 |
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| guru3 | (now is also a good time to point i'm not an electrical engineer, but am an enthusiastic hobbiest...) | 10:46 |
| Darksmurf | as am I guru3..but I'm in school to be an EE :-) | 10:47 |
| guru3 | heh, well, i'm not even studying for EE | 10:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:11 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:40 |
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| a69oker | hello ... anyone here familiar with OMAP 3430? | 11:49 |
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| pupnik | i want one | 11:56 |
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| pupnik | if i were 18 again i'd be learning ARM assembly | 11:57 |
| a69oker | pupnik:... are you familiar with it? | 11:58 |
| pupnik | i have read the specs | 11:58 |
| a69oker | pupnik: so you know about m-shield? | 11:58 |
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| pupnik | that's interesting - google hits with m-shield have that text removed | 12:00 |
| a69oker | http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/ti_mshield_whitepaper.pdf | 12:00 |
| a69oker | pupnik... you there? | 12:02 |
| pupnik | yeah reading that link | 12:02 |
| a69oker | ok..:) | 12:02 |
| pupnik | what's interesting about it to you? | 12:02 |
| a69oker | well...:) I'm studying this for school and I don't understand a couple of things... | 12:03 |
| a69oker | so I was hoping someone here can clarify thigs for me:) | 12:03 |
| a69oker | m-shield is embedded in the omap right? | 12:03 |
| pupnik | "TI's M-Shield technology is a system-level approach that intimately interleaves hardware and software" | 12:04 |
| lardman | seems to be the name they give their overall scheme of making things difficult | 12:04 |
| a69oker | so the software comes seperate...? | 12:05 |
| a69oker | I have to purchace it seperatly? | 12:05 |
| pupnik | check the Hardware Feature Set and ROM Code Feature Set | 12:05 |
| lardman | m-shield refers to their hardware design and their software together, afaict | 12:05 |
| a69oker | so it includes all the encryption algorithms embedded? | 12:05 |
| lardman | you do probably need to buy/license some aspects, for example the cryptographic accelerators (which might be interesting for us too) | 12:06 |
| a69oker | that what I'm intrested in | 12:06 |
| pupnik | looks like it's all in the N800 already | 12:06 |
| lardman | the omaps have hardware to do the acceleration, you need to pay to get code to use it | 12:06 |
| lardman | or get hacking... :) | 12:06 |
| pupnik | excepting the ARM TrustZone support | 12:06 |
| a69oker | ic:)... | 12:06 |
| pupnik | zomg! torrent plz! | 12:07 |
| a69oker | so I need their software to work with the encrpytion algorithms instead for looking for a 3d party security solution for protecting data? | 12:07 |
| a69oker | so I need == better to use | 12:07 |
| lardman | well you may as well use the hardware that's sat there | 12:08 |
| lardman | but as there's little data available, I'd want to test that it works too (though I don;t imagine it wouldn't) | 12:08 |
| a69oker | so there is no need for me to look for a 3d party security solution? to protect data in transit | 12:08 |
| lardman | just depends then on how expensive/hard it is to implement | 12:09 |
| a69oker | I think it would work:) | 12:09 |
| a69oker | it TI | 12:09 |
| lardman | in transit where? Between the chips on the omap? | 12:09 |
| a69oker | no bettween a device and a server | 12:09 |
| a69oker | personal data like contact lists for example | 12:09 |
| a69oker | I want to encrypt the list first | 12:10 |
| a69oker | then transmit to the server | 12:10 |
| pupnik | do you know scp? | 12:10 |
| a69oker | :) | 12:10 |
| a69oker | yes | 12:10 |
| a69oker | but I need something more secure | 12:10 |
| a69oker | and trusted | 12:10 |
| a69oker | better to encrypt then I don't need scp | 12:10 |
| lardman | well write your own then, I wouldn't trust someone else's closed code | 12:11 |
| a69oker | AES is open source | 12:11 |
| lardman | the chip has accelerators, you need to utilise the accelerators to do encryption/decryption as part of your security infrastructure | 12:11 |
| a69oker | accelerator meaning they make things faster? | 12:11 |
| lardman | so you could use the accelerator to encrypt then send emails, etc., but you'd need to write the code to call the encryption hardware (or link into their api) and to then do the sendind | 12:12 |
| a69oker | :) thank you | 12:12 |
| a69oker | that's just what I needed to know;) | 12:12 |
| lardman | it's like graphics cards hw accel, you still need to do something with the data before and after | 12:12 |
| a69oker | ok:) | 12:13 |
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| lardman | the acceleration just makes it quicker doing the encoding/decoding | 12:13 |
| a69oker | ic | 12:13 |
| lardman | That's my impression anyway | 12:13 |
| a69oker | I've tried contacting TI by phone... | 12:13 |
| a69oker | but they only work with companies:) | 12:13 |
| a69oker | so they wouldn't give me any info | 12:15 |
| lardman | yeah# | 12:15 |
| lardman | There are some other features that look like they might interest you - secure storage of various keys and other things that you coudl use for the encryption for example | 12:15 |
| a69oker | yes... and what is mobile ticketing?... | 12:15 |
| a69oker | same as keys? | 12:15 |
| lardman | cab't find that | 12:15 |
| a69oker | it's in the pdf | 12:15 |
| a69oker | but doesn't explain what it means | 12:15 |
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| lardman | what page, search doesn't find it | 12:17 |
| a69oker | one sec let me open the pdf... | 12:17 |
| a69oker | hmm I'm sure I've seen there... | 12:18 |
| a69oker | maybe it's in the ompa pdf | 12:18 |
| a69oker | one sec | 12:18 |
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| a69oker | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12316&contentId=4629 | 12:19 |
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| a69oker | under "Offer New and Different Content? | 12:20 |
| a69oker | ?==" | 12:20 |
| lardman | does it simply mean buying tickets using your mobile? | 12:20 |
| a69oker | :) perhaps didn't think that simple | 12:20 |
| lardman | Just a guess | 12:20 |
| a69oker | I thought it might be a security feature:) | 12:20 |
| a69oker | I think you are right | 12:20 |
| a69oker | I will try to contact them again regarding the cryptographic accelerators... | 12:21 |
| a69oker | I need to make sure I don't need a 3rd party solution here | 12:22 |
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| a69oker | Thank you lardman really appriciate the help;-D | 12:23 |
| rik | hi all. what's the status of kismet and the like for n800? | 12:24 |
| rik | do i need to update os etc? | 12:24 |
| lardman | a69oker: np, good luck | 12:25 |
| a69oker | thanx cu l84 | 12:27 |
| a69oker | l8r | 12:27 |
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| Silent1mark | Hello. | 12:28 |
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| lardman | anyone familiar with the dspsink (Gstreamer/ARM side) source codes? | 12:35 |
| lardman | does a sink need to know a lot about the data it's decoding (to pass onto other parts of Gstreamer, not to do the decoding itself which is selfevident)? | 12:36 |
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| Silent1mark | I think I am the only one awake, and I have no idea sorry. | 12:37 |
| Silent1mark | But if it makes you feel any better I think I jsut bricked my 770. :) | 12:37 |
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| lardman | Should be very hard to brick | 12:37 |
| lardman | what have you done? | 12:38 |
| Silent1mark | Well I'm not sure. | 12:38 |
| Silent1mark | I just got a New MMC for it, a 2gig one I found on amazon. | 12:38 |
| rik | i newfsed my / partition on my work machine yesterday, when trying to get the new disk working. oops | 12:39 |
| lardman | opps indeed | 12:39 |
| Silent1mark | INsert it, boot it up, get a root terminal and format the mmc via sfdisk. Reboot. | 12:39 |
| Silent1mark | Now the screen is all botched up. | 12:39 |
| rik | fortunately it needed a new os anyway. svn co /home/rik ftw :) | 12:39 |
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| lardman | Silent1mark: Interesting | 12:39 |
| lardman | Silent1mark: Same without the card? There are some posts about this kind of thing happening, not sure what the cause is as I';ve not read them | 12:40 |
| Silent1mark | lardman: where is the forum? | 12:40 |
| lardman | internettablettalk.com | 12:41 |
| Silent1mark | Oh ok, I was looking all over the maemo page and then came here | 12:41 |
| lardman | or linked from maemo.org | 12:41 |
| lardman | under the Not a developer? text | 12:41 |
| Silent1mark | Oh ok. | 12:42 |
| lardman | Users United even | 12:42 |
| Silent1mark | I tried reflashing it, I got this error, " Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown | 12:42 |
| Silent1mark | " | 12:42 |
| Silent1mark | But it did re-flash it, and it rebooted and still has a goofy screen | 12:42 |
| pupnik | describe goofy | 12:42 |
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| Silent1mark | all white screen, tablet works, jsut an all white screen. | 12:43 |
| pupnik | how do you konw the tablet works? | 12:43 |
| Silent1mark | When I hit the power button I can see the " lock device , shutdown. etc.." menu sort of show up, but nothign is readable. | 12:43 |
| pupnik | ahh i've had that - did you delete themes? | 12:43 |
| lardman | oh, is that the white-screen-of-death? | 12:44 |
| pupnik | no it's hildon failing to load the theme | 12:44 |
| Silent1mark | and I can hear the " click" sounds when I move the stylus around on the screen. | 12:44 |
| Silent1mark | Oh ok. | 12:44 |
| Silent1mark | Is there a quick fix opn the forum I can find? | 12:44 |
| pupnik | check that the image you are flashing is complete - check filesize and md5sum | 12:44 |
| Silent1mark | ok | 12:45 |
| Silent1mark | It shoudl be fine since it is the same one I've used as before. | 12:45 |
| pupnik | what's the filename? | 12:45 |
| lardman | I wonder if the flasher checks it too? | 12:45 |
| Silent1mark | Here is the whole command I have been using to flash | 12:46 |
| Silent1mark | ./flasher-3.0 -F SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 12:46 |
| pupnik | my SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin filesize: 63044309 md5sum: 421eac7f6800b5ddee8e7ed9319c434e | 12:47 |
| pupnik | use flasher 2 | 12:47 |
| pupnik | afaik it is the recommended one | 12:47 |
| Silent1mark | It's the WSOD | 12:48 |
| Silent1mark | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8658 | 12:48 |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux 3.0 should also work on the 770 | 12:49 |
| pupnik | Dunno. I have seen people try 3.0, fail, and try 2.0 with success. | 12:50 |
| pupnik | it appears to me that Silent1mark has flashed defectively | 12:50 |
| lardman | agreed, but he had problems before flashin I think | 12:50 |
| pupnik | ok | 12:50 |
| pupnik | Silent1mark: can you take a picture of the device with the 'WSOD' and upload it somewhere? | 12:51 |
| Silent1mark | I can show you exactly what it looks like. | 12:51 |
| Silent1mark | THis is not mine | 12:52 |
| Silent1mark | but one on the forum, of exactly what I am seeing | 12:52 |
| Silent1mark | http://i15.tinypic.com/4pbs1fa.jpg | 12:52 |
| pupnik | yep wsod | 12:52 |
| * pupnik takes his hat off | 12:53 | |
| Silent1mark | Man that sucks. | 12:53 |
| Silent1mark | I've had this thing since the first article about it in LJ and have rebooted it 9.432432x10^64 times. | 12:54 |
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| Jaffa | Silent1mark: Nokia should replace it even if it's out of warranty as it's obviously a manufacturing defect | 13:18 |
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| rik | has anyone installed kismet? | 13:27 |
| lardman | ah, I see there is a Ti document called the OMAP2420 Technical Reference Manual, that would be interesting... | 13:28 |
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| Silent1mark | Jaffa: Thanks, I am looking into that right now. And am looking up consumer laws incase they try to give me the run around. | 13:32 |
| pupnik | rik yes | 13:32 |
| cy- | sup | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | Silent1mark: also, where are you based? In the UK, the Sales of Goods Act applies for around 7 years, and you go go back to the vendor (not manufacturer) in that time and get a replacement/refund. | 13:33 |
| Silent1mark | I am in the US. I bought this one Direstly from NOkia, via the Online Store. | 13:34 |
| pupnik | refund for anything that breaks after 7 years? | 13:34 |
| pupnik | s/after/before | 13:34 |
| pupnik | that would certainly explain why prices in GB are so high | 13:34 |
| lardman | You'd have to try quite hard to prove that what they sold you wasn't fit for purpose though | 13:35 |
| lardman | around the 7 year mark that is | 13:36 |
| rik | pupnik: from where? i can't find a package, or rather i haven't yet. | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, and no-one in the shops knows about it, so you have to fight | 13:36 |
| lardman | Do they know anything on the day you buy things either?! | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | Good point :) | 13:37 |
| pupnik | # sqlite3 libsqlite3-0 libreadline4 kismet becomeroot btscanner pipepanic privoxy locales-extras-polish gpesyncd | 13:38 |
| pupnik | deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user | 13:38 |
| rik | so, what do i do with that? i'm still neww to this n800 and maemo stuff... | 13:43 |
| lardman | is there no install file for kismet? | 13:44 |
| lardman | no, oh well | 13:45 |
| lardman | In which case you need to add that repository in the Application Manager | 13:45 |
| rik | not that i've found. of course there's probably something i don@t know | 13:45 |
| lardman | then let it update (download a list of packages contained therein), then select kismet from the list and click install | 13:46 |
| rik | how do i add that repository? | 13:46 |
| lardman | Tools menu, somewhere near the top iirc, have;'t got my n800 near me atm | 13:46 |
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| rik | okay. *peer* | 13:47 |
| pupnik | umm dunno about kismet+n800 | 13:47 |
| lardman | app manager also happens to be in the tools section of the 'start menu' | 13:47 |
| pupnik | that kismet is for 770 | 13:47 |
| lardman | ah, missed that point | 13:48 |
| pupnik | i do not know if anyone has built drivers for n800 wlan that support rfmon mode | 13:48 |
| * pupnik is happy that his 'obsolete' 770 still does some things better than N800 :) | 13:50 | |
| rik | ahhhh. that makes sense, from what i've read. i.just thought he poblems were solved by now. | 13:50 |
| pupnik | kismet? | 13:50 |
| _Monkey | somebody said kismet was http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user or http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-svn-devel-n800.deb but don't complain if it doesn't work | 13:50 |
| Silent1mark | Does the n800 WSOD as well? | 13:50 |
| rik | hm | 13:50 |
| rik | well. i guess i should get pim stuff intalled then | 13:50 |
| Veggen | mmmf, anyone got n800 sip from rtcomm beta to work with asterisk? looked like in the forums, but no details provided. | 13:50 |
| pupnik | hey rik - check out that n800.deb | 13:51 |
| rik | thanks! | 13:53 |
| pupnik | someday monkey will be the most knowledgable chatter in maemo :) | 13:54 |
| rik | unfortunately, that package doesn't install for me. it's complaining about incompatible application package. | 13:55 |
| rik | i suspect that's my n800 havng an old os though | 13:56 |
| pupnik | then install with dpkg -i | 13:56 |
| Veggen | hmm. laptop power plug which hardly works. suddenly my n800 gets heavy usage. | 13:57 |
| lardman | _Monkey: Learned anything about Jazelle yet? | 13:57 |
| _Monkey | wish i knew, lardman | 13:57 |
| lardman | likewise | 13:57 |
| lardman | not that knowledgeable yet then, though yesterday he/it spouted something about hw acceleration iirc | 13:58 |
| rik | hm. where's the document folder live on the filesystem? i've downloaded the package to it. | 13:58 |
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| lardman | ~/MyDocs/.documents/ or something like that | 13:58 |
| pupnik | lardman, i'm beginning to think maybe dsp would be useful for audio even without access to audio device | 14:00 |
| Veggen | if you ask me, that´s a little stupid. why hide it? | 14:00 |
| rik | sigh. i'm such a n00b. okay... how do i get root on this? is there a sudo package i can install? :) | 14:00 |
| jonek | hi, (lardman, _Monkey) I'm interested in Jazelle, too. have seen Sebastian Mancke's presentation about Java on InternetTablets on Linuxtag in Berlin... I'm working mainly on/with Java phoneME advanced. | 14:01 |
| pupnik | becomeroot? | 14:01 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 14:01 |
| lardman | jonek: _Monkey is a bot | 14:01 |
| jonek | :) | 14:01 |
| jonek | ic | 14:01 |
| lardman | jonek: I'm Simon Pickering, writing random rubbish about Jazelle to the list | 14:01 |
| lardman | pupnik: Yes, I'm working out how to get the Tremor-lowmem-no-byte code working | 14:02 |
| lardman | pupnik: Start passing back the data, as kulve said, we should write some codecs then Nokia may be more inspired to release some more info for us | 14:02 |
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| pupnik | you are my hero :) | 14:03 |
| lardman | don't get your hopes up yet! | 14:03 |
| pupnik | how big is the c code for tremor? | 14:03 |
| jonek | lardman: i've read your mails and found them quite interesting! | 14:03 |
| pupnik | the snes sound chip emu is 44726 spc700.cpp | 14:03 |
| pupnik | but i have no idea how dsp can access memory :) | 14:04 |
| rik | okay. i have to go. i'll deal with this soon. | 14:04 |
| pupnik | since it is meant to process streams this might not be possible | 14:04 |
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| pupnik | cu rik - follow _Monkey's instructions | 14:05 |
| kulve | lardman: it still gets stuck. I'll try to learn some day how the mmap works. That's how the existing tasks seems to be passing the data.. | 14:05 |
| lardman | jonek: I'd be interested in your opinion of whether things like Java stack pointer, pointer to variables area and the constant pool pointer would need to be setup outside of Jazelle or by Jazelle | 14:05 |
| lardman | kulve: Yep, look at p57 of the spec doc | 14:06 |
| lardman | pupnik: The code size is ~700kb | 14:07 |
| lardman | https://trac.xiph.org/browser/branches/lowmem-no-byte/Tremor | 14:07 |
| kulve | lardman: do I need to make the .cmd file for the task? All the existing tasks have it.. | 14:07 |
| lardman | pupnik: What do you mean by "access memory"? | 14:07 |
| lardman | kulve: I'm not sure, the G.711 doesn't seem to need it | 14:08 |
| lardman | kulve: I think (and this is just my guess) that you can change the default mapping using the command file | 14:08 |
| pupnik | does dsp have its own ram, or do you reserve and map some system ram for it? | 14:08 |
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| lardman | pupnik: It has its own, and an MMU to map/share system memory too | 14:09 |
| pupnik | i see asm_arm.h there - maybe it is possible to build a faster libvorbisidec? | 14:10 |
| lardman | possibly, not sure whether those bits of asm are used in the normal ARM tremor | 14:10 |
| lardman | I thought they only do 64bit arithmetic, which isn't needed much | 14:11 |
| lardman | I'm wrong, nothing 64bit in there | 14:12 |
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| lardman | https://trac.xiph.org/browser/trunk/Tremor has the arm asm too | 14:13 |
| kulve | I think arm asm is a problem? Since dsp doesn't run it? | 14:14 |
| lardman | the asm is ifdef's | 14:14 |
| lardman | ifdef'd | 14:14 |
| lardman | so it shouldn't be an issue | 14:15 |
| lardman | I need to build a frontend for the code, to interface with the dspgateway | 14:17 |
| lardman | and to call ov_open_callbacks | 14:17 |
| lardman | looks like the callbacks stuff they have built in should make life easier | 14:17 |
| lardman | the only issue with this simplistic approach, is that all of the processing will be done on the DSP, so it may make passing back data for ARM side apps more difficult | 14:18 |
| lardman | the ARM side will open the file and pass the whole lot over without even looking at it. This is not the way the Nokia DSP sinks work. | 14:18 |
| lardman | Not sure if this is to optimise the processing or simply because GStreamer requires more knowledge of the stream data and passing it back would be inefficient | 14:19 |
| AD-N770 | lardman, I think that the requirement in gstreamer is playback in sync | 14:20 |
| lardman | okay | 14:21 |
| lardman | I think I'm getting a little ahead of myself anyway, if I can pass the whole file and decode it that will be a step in the right direction | 14:21 |
| AD-N770 | lardman, the gstreamer elements could be done probably in a different way, currently in the the decoders written on top of DSP are sinks for compressed data | 14:22 |
| lardman | I think that ideally one would use the same general scheme though, keep the timing and overall control on the ARM and just send frames to the DSP | 14:24 |
| lardman | but I don;t know vorbis very well, so I'll take what I can get and work from there | 14:24 |
| AD-N770 | a different approach could be just decoders on dsp, generic dsp sink capable to push raw data and special elements to recover/push buffers to DSP | 14:24 |
| AD-N770 | the dsp sink should expect that data is allocated at dsp side | 14:25 |
| lardman | that's really what the Nokia code does, generic interface with the DSP and some setup code for each supported codec | 14:25 |
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| AD-N770 | yes, lardman I read the code of gstreamer for dsp some weeks ago | 14:26 |
| solmumaha | anyone using hacker? for some reason i can't delete files with filemanager, was just wondering if it's a known issue | 14:26 |
| lardman | AD-N770: Anyway, all in the fullness of time :) | 14:27 |
| AD-N770 | mainly I was interested on dsppcmsink | 14:27 |
| AD-N770 | lardman, have you tried to compile vfp assembly with CS2005 ? | 14:28 |
| lardman | I've not looked at vfp assembly at all I'm afraid | 14:28 |
| lardman | cs=code studio? | 14:29 |
| AD-N770 | CodeSourcery | 14:29 |
| lardman | ah, okay | 14:29 |
| AD-N770 | the toolchain that maemo uses | 14:29 |
| lardman | yep | 14:29 |
| lardman | Well vfp works, but I've just left the compiler to sort out the assembly | 14:29 |
| AD-N770 | a bit old now, I think that nokia should update it | 14:29 |
| AD-N770 | I rewrote a function of liboil two weeks ago, but I couldn't find the way to build it | 14:30 |
| AD-N770 | I don't know what to do to make gcc compile my code | 14:31 |
| lardman | is it all asm or inline? | 14:31 |
| AD-N770 | asm | 14:31 |
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| lardman | I've only been fiddling with inline asm for the Jazelle stuff, I don;t know much about writing entire functions in asm | 14:32 |
| lardman | what kind of errors do you get? | 14:33 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: http://pastebin.com/m6ba20605 | 14:33 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: I wrote some code in asm for arm5/6 before | 14:34 |
| AD-N770 | but that's my first try with vfp | 14:34 |
| AD-N770 | the compile refuses to understand the vfp code | 14:34 |
| lardman | ah, have you set mcpu? | 14:35 |
| lardman | a flag to gcc | 14:35 |
| kulve | -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp | 14:35 |
| kulve | I guess.. | 14:35 |
| lardman | i.e. gcc test_jazelle.c -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -o test_jazelle.bin | 14:35 |
| AD-N770 | lardman, kulve: http://pastebin.com/d42b14c55 | 14:36 |
| lardman | otherwise the compiler may not accept certain asm instructions (such as bxj) | 14:36 |
| lardman | same may be true for the vfp instructions (as the toolchain is softfloat otherwise I think) | 14:36 |
| kulve | AD-N770: what's the error? | 14:37 |
| kulve | (I don't know anything about asm though..) | 14:37 |
| AD-N770 | and last one: http://pastebin.com/d11e4c543 | 14:37 |
| lardman | see what -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp does, rather than -mtune | 14:38 |
| AD-N770 | bad instruction `fadd s24,s8,s16' | 14:38 |
| AD-N770 | I'm going to try it now | 14:39 |
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| AD-N770 | same errors with -mcpu | 14:40 |
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| lardman | I can only find QDADD in both the ARM arch manual and the ARM1136J-S Tech manuals | 14:43 |
| rm_you | so, I got videos to play with mplayer and a2dp audio, stay in sync, and not be laggy :P | 14:43 |
| rm_you | (n800) | 14:43 |
| AD-N770 | lardman VFP is a coprocessor | 14:44 |
| rm_you | still looking for ways to improve performance... any mplayer/mencoder experts here? | 14:44 |
| lardman | rm_you: Cool, when I tried a2dp my misic seemed to change tempo quite a bit | 14:44 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: has a separate manual | 14:44 |
| lardman | AD-N770: Do you have a link or name? | 14:44 |
| rm_you | lardman: mine seems to work fine.. was that video or mp3? | 14:45 |
| AD-N770 | yes, looking at ARM site | 14:45 |
| lardman | rm_you: mp3 | 14:45 |
| rm_you | wow... that's lame :9 | 14:45 |
| rm_you | :( | 14:45 |
| lardman | rm_you: May have had something running that slowed down the conversion I suppose | 14:45 |
| rm_you | through Kagu or command line mplayer? | 14:45 |
| lardman | rm_you: either | 14:45 |
| lardman | iirc | 14:45 |
| rm_you | :( | 14:45 |
| kulve | "Vector Floating Point Instruction Set Quick Reference Card (95KB .pdf)" | 14:46 |
| kulve | http://www.arm.com/pdfs/QRC0007_VFP.pdf | 14:46 |
| lardman | certainly played thro Kagu | 14:46 |
| AD-N770 | and ARM DDI 0274H | 14:46 |
| rm_you | yeah, me and a friend have been sitting here trying to improve a2dp+video performance all day | 14:46 |
| rm_you | is ffmp3 an integer only mp3 decoder now? thought it used to be FP | 14:47 |
| AD-N770 | http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DDI0274H_vfp11_r1p5_trm.pdf | 14:47 |
| lardman | thanks, taking a look now | 14:47 |
| rm_you | the n800 only has a virtual floating point processor, right? | 14:47 |
| lardman | rm_you: No it's real hw | 14:47 |
| kulve | vector floating poing, afaik | 14:47 |
| kulve | poing.. | 14:47 |
| rm_you | ah ok, cool | 14:47 |
| AD-N770 | it's real hardware | 14:48 |
| rm_you | then that wouldnt make a difference, bah... was hoping compiling mplayer with libmad support would improve decoding performance, but that explains why we didnt see a significant speed increase | 14:48 |
| kulve | it doesn't seem very efficient though. At least e.g. vorbis is faster with tremor (fixed point) than the floating point version | 14:48 |
| AD-N770 | rm_you, libmad compared with what ? | 14:49 |
| rm_you | nah was seeing average 30% cpu usage for mplayer and a2dpd combined, with both ffmp3 and libmad | 14:49 |
| lardman | that's the code though, I've read they are thinking of adopting a fp version of Tremor as the standard code | 14:49 |
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| rm_you | AD-N770: ffmp3, being the other default used instead of dspmp3 | 14:50 |
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| rm_you | at least, actually in the official mplayer, and referenced on all the a2dp guides | 14:50 |
| Blacksitox | hello | 14:50 |
| AD-N770 | ok | 14:51 |
| rm_you | have you tried a2dp stuff? | 14:51 |
| AD-N770 | I've to go for lunch now | 14:51 |
| lardman | AD-N770: Don't you need to access the coprocessor registers to pass data back and forth? | 14:51 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: yes | 14:51 |
| lardman | i.e. MMRC/MCRR | 14:52 |
| lardman | you don;t seem to do this though, so you? | 14:52 |
| lardman | s/so you/do you | 14:52 |
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| rm_you | who is the guy maintaining mplayer for the n800? | 14:52 |
| AD-N770 | no sure if I'm doing it in the appropriate way, if I understood correctly the manual | 14:52 |
| AD-N770 | there's specific instructions to move from memory to vfp registers | 14:53 |
| lardman | I don't know either, just from a quick read and my looking at some of the other coprocessors | 14:53 |
| pupnik | rm_you: a quick look at the mailing list would answer that | 14:53 |
| rm_you | yeah... will do that in a sec | 14:53 |
| rm_you | i'm on my n800 right now and working on like three things at once, was easier to just ask first :P sorry | 14:54 |
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| AD-N770 | lardman: http://www.arm.com/pdfs/QRC0007_VFP.pdf | 14:54 |
| AD-N770 | for the quick reference sheet | 14:54 |
| rm_you | was hoping maybe he/she was here now :P if i was lucky | 14:54 |
| lardman | ah okay, register names look like they are mapped to the main processor | 14:54 |
| lardman | Sn, etc. | 14:54 |
| AD-N770 | Sn for single | 14:55 |
| AD-N770 | Dn for double | 14:55 |
| AD-N770 | aliased together | 14:55 |
| AD-N770 | and fpscr to configure/status | 14:56 |
| lardman | I wonder if FADD requires a suffix of S or D | 14:56 |
| lardman | i.e. it isn't valid without it | 14:56 |
| trevarthan | sparr: it shouldn't be writing to anything as root, unless you're running it as root, and we try not to do that from the installer. Why did you ask? | 14:56 |
| AD-N770 | ups | 14:57 |
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| pupnik | rm_you: has been inactive for a while | 14:57 |
| AD-N770 | lardman, you are right | 14:59 |
| AD-N770 | another perspective somtimes help | 14:59 |
| lardman | easy to spot with fresh eyes | 14:59 |
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| AD-N770 | yes, I will play with it this evening | 14:59 |
| lardman | I've done similar, spent ages with a typo right in front of me, etc. | 14:59 |
| lardman | cool, let us know how you get on | 14:59 |
| AD-N770 | later I will comment it to you | 15:00 |
| AD-N770 | I'm going to lunch now | 15:00 |
| AD-N770 | the sample code in the manual confused me | 15:00 |
| * lardman should really get back to writing a paper too | 15:00 | |
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| rm_you | pupnik: ah :( | 15:00 |
| eijk | Hi! I just reinstalled my 770 and am puzzled by one thing: Even though it's the same OS release, before the reflash, the contacts icon in the left column used to blink between dimmed and bright colours and stayed bright after a few seconds. No I have no blinking and no bright colours... Does this mean anything? | 15:02 |
| eijk | Addressbook and so on still seems to work... | 15:02 |
| lardman | damn, Ti emailed me back to say that they won't release OMAP2420 technical manual to anyone but their largest customers, or you have to pay for it | 15:03 |
| trevarthan | Does anyone know an easy why that I can post an online poll? I want to see what people think of the Volume/Seek control in Kagu. | 15:03 |
| lardman | trevarthan: You could do one in the internettablettalk forums | 15:04 |
| lardman | start a new topic, choose poll, etc. | 15:04 |
| trevarthan | how does that work? | 15:04 |
| trevarthan | What does clicking "poll" do? | 15:05 |
| trevarthan | ah. http://forum.swsoft.com/misc.php?s=e658ecfe6b42bb9ed670153b0346d07f&action=faq&page=3#polls | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | lardman: How much do they want for it? :) | 15:06 |
| lardman | iirc, it gives you 4 mutually exclusive options for people to click on | 15:06 |
| lardman | X-Fade: No idea, the reply was pretty airy-fairy | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, just ask them their price. That'll cause them a lot of work. | 15:07 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/unnamed.htm is the reply | 15:08 |
| lardman | got my title wrong too, then tell me about the University programme, silly people :) | 15:09 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Hmm yeah not very helpful.. | 15:10 |
| lardman | I think that's probably life, not very useful for hackers who hack in their own time without someone to buy them documentation, etc. | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | Well, if the price was reasonable. | 15:14 |
| lardman | I don;t even know if there's anything useful in it. Anyone from Nokia care to comment on how interesting the manual is? :) | 15:14 |
| trevarthan | sparr: throw in your 0.2 cents, man: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8937 | 15:15 |
| jonek | lardman: Quim Gil told me via email and at the Linuxtag taht Nokia is willing to support community efforts towards "better" Java support. Maybe this includes some pages from certain manuals ;-)!? | 15:16 |
| lardman | jonek: Now that would be very interesing :) I also contacted ARM to ask them about the Jazelle manual and they said no. | 15:16 |
| lardman | Perhaps I should go for some lessons in persuasion... :D | 15:17 |
| gla55_ | is java in general on maemo in a state that jazelle acceleration is something thats a priority? | 15:19 |
| lardman | gla55_: Command line stuff works fine, I think the issue is with GUI bindings | 15:19 |
| jonek | lardman: you sould definitely ask Quim Gil good question regarding Java if you have some. | 15:19 |
| lardman | gla55_: but I'm not that bothered with that, it just looked like an interesting problem to solve | 15:20 |
| lardman | jonek: The problem is that, iirc, ARM want an NDA for the documentation, so I'd either need to sign one of those (=closed source) or Nokia would be breaking their one | 15:20 |
| lardman | jonek: I'm not sure how far one can hint without breaking an NDA :) | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Is this document of any help? http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DDI0222B_9EJS_r1p2.pdf Talks a bit about Jazelle.. | 15:22 |
| jonek | gla55_: good question. I've only experience withe phoneME advanced (JavaME, CDC, Foundation Profile). I don't know if it would be easily compilable with Jazelle support if one would have the required know how, how to activate/integrate it. | 15:22 |
| jonek | lardman: does NDA really imply closed source?? | 15:23 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Perhaps, there seem to be lots of oblique references to Jazelle in the ARM docs, I suppose one might be able to add all of these bits together and work out a bit more about how it works | 15:23 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I'll have a read, thanks | 15:23 |
| lardman | jonek: Presumably, as otherwise why have an NDA for the doc containing the information? | 15:24 |
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| lardman | Which makes me wonder, are there any Java apps that do use Jazelle? | 15:24 |
| lardman | closed source ones presumably | 15:24 |
| lardman | Java VMs even | 15:24 |
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| jonek | lardman: because the docs might contain information about other IP covered technologies beside Jazelle? | 15:25 |
| lardman | jonek: Possibly, but Sun have also stated that they can't release any source for their Jazelle enabled JVM (partly answered my own question :) ) because of ARM | 15:26 |
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| jonek | lardman: AFAIK a JavaVM is the place that I would try first for Jazelle integration | 15:26 |
| lardman | any source/any source related to Jazelle | 15:26 |
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| jonek | lardman: right - that's what I read about SUN's open source releases, too. | 15:27 |
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| lardman | i'd love to know how to correctly invoke BXJ, I wonder if Sun has released any binaries for ARM with Jazelle enabled...? | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I seemed to have found a japanese doc about jazelle :) | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | [31:28] Jazelle ..0x1.BXJ ....PSR ..J .... | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | [27:24] ........ | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | .. | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | 0x2.BX, BLX.., PSR..T.....PC | 15:29 |
| lardman | do you have an url? | 15:29 |
| lardman | bring on babelfish! | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | All dots are japanse signs :) | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | http://www.e-manual.co.jp/completed/manuals/405/arm01/arm01/MPCore.pdf | 15:30 |
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| X-Fade | I pasted from page 130 of 722. | 15:30 |
| lardman | it's probably a translation of this: http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DDI0360D_arm11mpcore_r1p0_trm.pdf | 15:32 |
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| lardman | if so, it looks like it has the same kind of stuff as the manual for our processor: http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DDI0211J_arm1136_r1p5_trm.pdf | 15:35 |
| lardman | lots of statements to look in the Jazelle VI technical reference manual. Great :( | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I see references for jazelle and bzj in binutils? | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | bxj I mean. | 15:36 |
| lardman | the instruction is implemented and understood by gcc | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but no further explanation :) | 15:37 |
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| lardman | the question is how to setup the registers, etc., to enable the branch to happen | 15:37 |
| rm_you | anyone know offhand the exact resolution to make desktop images for the n800? 800x480 is the whole screen... | 15:38 |
| zuh | 720x480 | 15:40 |
| rm_you | need to figure out how many pixels exactly are taken up by the UI in each direction | 15:40 |
| zuh | IIRC | 15:40 |
| rm_you | ah ok so it uses the entire vertical res but reserves 80px for the sidebar? | 15:40 |
| rm_you | kk, thanks | 15:41 |
| zuh | You'll want to have a full height image since the top corner is visible | 15:41 |
| rm_you | ah yeah | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | lardman: http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=4841&pg=1 This talks a bit about it too, but not very deep.. | 15:41 |
| lardman | I think that was in one of the emails | 15:41 |
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| lardman | I made some comments about it in my last post to the maemo-devel list | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, I guess you have seen this one too: http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=DWPKAHEW2IYQQQSNDLRCKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=16503207 | 15:44 |
| lardman | yes, thanks | 15:46 |
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| X-Fade | Nobody here with a ieee account? :) | 15:46 |
| Crofton|home | define an ieee account | 15:47 |
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| X-Fade | Crofton|home: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/9501/30140/01383267.pdf?arnumber=1383267 | 15:50 |
| Crofton|home | X-Fade, remind me later, when I am at school and I can grab pdf | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | Not sure if it is interesting though :) | 15:50 |
| jonek | X-Fade: I have ieee access | 15:50 |
| lardman | I should have it at uni, I may have to cut short my "working from home" | 15:52 |
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| lardman | where does stmia store register contents to? | 15:56 |
| jonek | X-Fade: that paper describes an architecture "similar to ARM Jazelle" | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | jonek: Yeah, weird.. | 15:57 |
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| lardman | Anyone familiar with debug states on ARM processors? | 16:03 |
| lardman | What does the code in page B-22 (268) of the ARM DDI 0222B document mean? | 16:04 |
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| pupnik | what is speed of dsp-memory? | 16:04 |
| pupnik | same as cpu-memory? | 16:05 |
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| pupnik | just curious - if memory speed is fast, entire snes ppu could be done on dsp? | 16:05 |
| lardman | pupnik: Take a look in the DSP gateway spec document | 16:08 |
| pupnik | ok. | 16:09 |
| lardman | though I think that just gives the sizes | 16:09 |
| pupnik | in general what *can't* the dsp do? | 16:09 |
| lardman | floating point | 16:09 |
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| pupnik | hehe | 16:10 |
| lardman | the DSP has DARAM, SRAM and SDRAM iirc | 16:11 |
| lardman | the DARAM is on the chip, so is presumably quite fast, but I don't really know | 16:12 |
| rik | hmm. how do i check what a package instaled? | 16:14 |
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| pupnik | dpkg --contents | 16:14 |
| rik | thanks | 16:14 |
| pupnik | well you need the .deb for that | 16:14 |
| pupnik | there's probably a way to do what you want without having the original .deb | 16:15 |
| pupnik | lardman: well these emulators really require perfect timing sync, so splitting into processes on different cpus is very tough - but there's a gp2x emu that is working on 2 cpus | 16:16 |
| rik | i just installed becomeroot and i'm trying to work out how i work out what to run | 16:16 |
| pupnik | might be fun to look into - but difficult stuff - i will just concentrate on learning to port the gp2x stuff to nokia | 16:16 |
| lardman | it's a matter of synchronisation, assuming the hardware can process and have some time left over | 16:17 |
| pupnik | yep | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | rik, pupnik: dpkg -L packagename lists all files that came from a package | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | you don't need to have the original .deb | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | it finds the info from /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.list, IIRC | 16:17 |
| pupnik | rik i know what it's like to be new to something :) it can be hard to figure out how to phrase questions | 16:17 |
| rik | becomroot's packaging list is empty | 16:20 |
| lardman | hardware experts out there, what does LQFP stand for? BGA is ball gate array? | 16:22 |
| pupnik | rik - i think it doesn't install any programs - just does a patch during install | 16:22 |
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| rik | what does the patch do? | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | rik: change /etc/sudoers, iirc | 16:24 |
| _Monkey | mgedmin: that doesn't look right | 16:24 |
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| mgedmin | there were two versions of becomeroot | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | 0.1 allows you to use sudo su | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | 0.2 allows you to use sudo gainroot | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | I think the first one changed /etc/sudoers, while the second one changed /usr/sbin/gainroot | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | you can check the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/becomeroot.postinst | 16:25 |
| rik | aha. thanks | 16:25 |
| rik | okay. i have root. now... why did i want it? | 16:25 |
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| mgedmin | so you could do EDITOR=vi visudo and let yourself use sudo on anything? | 16:26 |
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| rik | hm. that was fun. the n800 rebooted | 16:37 |
| rik | right. i need ncurses and libpcap debs for the n800 | 16:37 |
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| jonek | how is it possible that a disassembled (ARM) binary contains "undefined" instructions in it's text section? | 16:42 |
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| sparr | trevarthan: i did run kagu as root. and it seems to have written files to ~user as root | 16:49 |
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| sparr | heh, mini-patch | 16:52 |
| sparr | --- globals.py +++ globals.py | 16:52 |
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| sparr | - path_a = ['/media/mmc1','/media/mmc2','/media/mmc3','/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds','/Volumes/OSX/iTunes'] | 16:52 |
| sparr | + path_home_sounds = os.path.expanduser("~/MyDocs/.sounds") | 16:53 |
| sparr | + path_a = ['/media/mmc1','/media/mmc2','/media/mmc3',path_home_sounds,'/Volumes/OSX/iTunes'] | 16:53 |
| trevarthan | sparr: put that in a pastebin at least | 16:54 |
| trevarthan | try pastebin.ca | 16:54 |
| sparr | thats a simple fix. not perfect, because kagu is still going to die if root put a db in /media/mmc* | 16:54 |
| trevarthan | sparr: don't run kagu as root. | 16:54 |
| trevarthan | why would you do that? | 16:54 |
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| rik | so.. i'm using vi. i'm in insert mode. i'm done typing. where the hell is the escape key in ossu advanced? | 16:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | rik: so sorry | 16:56 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 16:56 |
| k-s[WORK] | use emacs | 16:56 |
| k-s[WORK] | :-) | 16:56 |
| etrunko | k-s[WORK]: build it for the n800 | 16:56 |
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| k-s[WORK] | etrunko: there are already builds of emacs clones | 16:57 |
| rik | okay. how do i get out of vi to do so ? | 16:57 |
| Ryback_ | etrunko: port gedit, will you? :-P | 16:57 |
| lardman | rik: press escape | 16:57 |
| k-s[WORK] | rik: read the manual, press the first hardware key | 16:57 |
| sparr | trevarthan: because i rarely ssh in as user | 16:57 |
| disq | sparr: ssh in as root, then do a "su user" | 16:58 |
| sparr | trevarthan: nokia screwed up a lot of root/user separation. dont follow their lead. | 16:58 |
| sparr | disq: i rarely do anything as user over ssh | 16:58 |
| disq | i don't either. but you shouldn't be testing or using kagu as root | 16:58 |
| rik | aha. that sounded aniia as soon as you said it. my manual is at home however. yes. thanks for that. i can us vi now | 16:58 |
| Ryback_ | :-) | 16:58 |
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| disq | if people start testing/using kagu as root, at some point we'll have bogus bug reports that don't really apply | 16:59 |
| AD-N770 | kulve, lardman: http://www.zap.org.au/elec2041-cdrom/reference/arm-thumb-instructions-quickref.pdf for VFP | 17:00 |
| sparr | i disagree. i believe that is a bad assumption to make. | 17:00 |
| sparr | very Windows ish | 17:00 |
| trevarthan | sparr: please. I'm not going to add checks to kagu because you're running it as root. | 17:00 |
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| AD-N770 | my assembly code compiles now | 17:00 |
| trevarthan | just stop doing that. | 17:00 |
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| lardman | AD-N770: Good to hear | 17:00 |
| trevarthan | normal users won't do it. I expect developers to be intelligent and know when they are or aren't root. | 17:00 |
| sparr | it starts with kagu (well, it started with nokia)... what about when you write an editor or file manager? something i really will need/want to run as root | 17:00 |
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| sparr | and accidentally reuse some code from kagu that makes bad root/user assumptions | 17:01 |
| rik | sigh. and now i'm in package hell. | 17:01 |
| trevarthan | sparr: no. you're completely wrong here. do *not* get in the habit of running anything but an editor as root. | 17:01 |
| trevarthan | it's a terrible idea. | 17:01 |
| disq | sparr: afaik, each and every app in the n800 desktop (except apt/dpkg, and that's invoked by application manager anyway) runs as user and not as root | 17:01 |
| rik | screw it. i'll deal with this later. | 17:02 |
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| trevarthan | sparr: In addition, you shouldn't be logging in as root via SSH. set a password for the default user and log in as user@n800. | 17:02 |
| trevarthan | sparr: the linux way is that you NEVER use root unless you have to. | 17:02 |
| trevarthan | And you don't have to for kagu development. period. so stop. | 17:02 |
| sparr | the linux way was predicated on having a hardware keyboard :-p | 17:03 |
| sparr | sudoing everything on the 770 is a bit less trivial than on a real computer | 17:03 |
| sparr | afk, shower | 17:03 |
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| erstazi | fbreader? | 17:10 |
| _Monkey | fbreader is a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader/ | 17:10 |
| erstazi | just had to grab the url from _Monkey | 17:10 |
| erstazi | openssh? | 17:12 |
| _Monkey | i guess openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ | 17:12 |
| erstazi | nano? | 17:13 |
| _Monkey | nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ | 17:13 |
| erstazi | xterm? | 17:13 |
| _Monkey | xterm is probably the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced | 17:13 |
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| erstazi | becomeroot? | 17:17 |
| _Monkey | becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot | 17:17 |
| erstazi | just had to grab the url from _Monkey | 17:17 |
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| sparr | _Monkey: xterm is also http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard | 17:21 |
| _Monkey | okay, sparr. | 17:21 |
| sparr | xterm? | 17:21 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard | 17:21 |
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| erstazi | iphome? | 17:25 |
| erstazi | ugh | 17:25 |
| dev | erstazi: you have heard of /msg? ;-) | 17:27 |
| erstazi | dev: yes, but I am filling _Monkey with ones it doesn't know | 17:28 |
| erstazi | dev: is it disturbing your sleep/work? | 17:28 |
| erstazi | I am actually giving support someone over the phone | 17:28 |
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| dev | no, only the quietness of the channel :-) | 17:29 |
| erstazi | iphome? | 17:30 |
| _Monkey | iphome is a hildon homepage plugin that shows current IP and TX/RX bytes and errors. Version 0.2 supports cycling through interfaces by tapping the plugin display panel.http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/load-applet-run/load-applet-run_0.4.3-2_armel.deb | 17:30 |
| sparr | _Monkey: tell erstazi about iphome | 17:30 |
| sparr | that saves a lot of channel spam | 17:30 |
| erstazi | blah, I needed to do it quickly, sorry if I caused mental instability | 17:33 |
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| sparr | you can keep a query open and just "iphome?" | 17:35 |
| erstazi | sparr: I know this, its just I needed a quick result and I thought 232 people were just lurking anyhow | 17:35 |
| unique311 | so skype is screwed... | 17:36 |
| unique311 | a virus maybe? | 17:36 |
| unique311 | call feature is not working | 17:37 |
| disq | afaik they have an algorithmic fault in the login server/client/workflow/whatever | 17:38 |
| unique311 | wonder if they will compensate those who use skype as primary home phone service | 17:38 |
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| unique311 | must not be good for business at all | 17:38 |
| unique311 | test call just went thru... | 17:41 |
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| pupnik | dang there are great photos on flickr | 18:00 |
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| frosty | hi | 18:29 |
| _Monkey | privet, frosty | 18:29 |
| frosty | sorry? | 18:29 |
| kulve | it's a bot.. | 18:31 |
| kulve | _Monkey: are you a bot? | 18:31 |
| _Monkey | kulve: wish i knew | 18:31 |
| zuh | _Monkey: Are you a dolt? | 18:31 |
| _Monkey | zuh: no idea | 18:31 |
| kulve | zuh? | 18:31 |
| zuh | What? | 18:31 |
| kulve | kulve? | 18:31 |
| _Monkey | i think kulve is the one that _monkey flings poo at | 18:31 |
| kulve | that.. | 18:32 |
| zuh | haha | 18:32 |
| zuh | zuh? | 18:33 |
| _Monkey | you are not comprehensible nor edible | 18:33 |
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| frosty | I have an OS2007HE/770/mplayer problem | 18:38 |
| Luria | _Monkey, are you sucking bananas for nickels again? | 18:38 |
| _Monkey | luria: no idea | 18:38 |
| frosty | in that, I can't get mplayer to work on my 770 on OS2007HE | 18:38 |
| Luria | _Monkey, you were so high you don't remember, huh? | 18:39 |
| _Monkey | i haven't a clue, luria | 18:39 |
| erstazi | frosty: what is the issue? | 18:39 |
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| erstazi | frosty: what errors do you receive or what is the response when you try to install mplayer? | 18:40 |
| frosty | well, to begin with, I just installed the latest mplayer, from the repos | 18:40 |
| frosty | which looks like it was an n800 one | 18:40 |
| frosty | the gui would work, but nothing would open in it | 18:40 |
| erstazi | frosty: what would you try viewing through mplayer? | 18:40 |
| frosty | and when I tried running it from xterm, I got an.... illegal... can't remember :/ | 18:41 |
| erstazi | segfault? | 18:41 |
| frosty | I got a segfault when I installed the latest 770 deb instead | 18:41 |
| erstazi | ok | 18:41 |
| frosty | with that, there's no menu entry for it, and it segfaults from the term | 18:41 |
| erstazi | frosty: ok... one question and this is out of curiosity, why did you install OS2007HE? | 18:42 |
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| frosty | because a friend who's recently bought a 770 too told me to - and he was right in that it generally seems more polished and stable and things :) | 18:42 |
| frosty | and I like to experiment with things | 18:43 |
| frosty | there seem to be quite a nice lot of improvements over 2006 | 18:43 |
| erstazi | frosty: ok, just wondering, you could have dual-booted though, but anyhow, I know of two other people who installed OS2007HE, pupnik and someone else... | 18:44 |
| erstazi | frosty: the mplayer issue I am not too sure about, I would just try again and make sure its for OS2007 | 18:44 |
| frosty | I could have dual booted.... maybe I will at some point :) | 18:45 |
| frosty | iirc, mplayer worked on 2006 for me | 18:45 |
| frosty | i played an avi that i converted from a youtube video | 18:45 |
| erstazi | I am not to sure about that | 18:45 |
| frosty | i've searched the internettablettalk forums but I can't really find anything on the issue | 18:46 |
| pdz- | i have mplayer working on HE | 18:48 |
| frosty | oh :) | 18:48 |
| pdz- | one of the older n800 versions works | 18:48 |
| frosty | did you have to do anything to get it working? | 18:48 |
| frosty | ah, right | 18:48 |
| frosty | any ideas which{ | 18:48 |
| frosty | ? | 18:49 |
| pdz- | before it was optimsed i guess | 18:49 |
| pdz- | sorry, no. don't have it here | 18:49 |
| frosty | okay - thanks :) | 18:49 |
| pdz- | np | 18:49 |
| frosty | did you find this out yourself, or somewhere else? (just wondering if there's anywhere i can look for the info) | 18:50 |
| pdz- | i just read how it was being improved for the n800 hw so i went back to before those improvements went in | 18:50 |
| frosty | ah :) | 18:56 |
| pupnik | is it can be? | 18:58 |
| frosty | sorry? | 18:58 |
| pupnik | i just like typing that | 18:59 |
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| frosty | :) | 19:01 |
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| frosty | pupnik: is it right that you're using OS2007HE? | 19:01 |
| pupnik | i was for a while, right now i don't have it on the 770 | 19:02 |
| pupnik | still have an image tho | 19:02 |
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| frosty | righty | 19:03 |
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| frosty | did you get mplayer working? | 19:04 |
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| pupnik | i can't remember :/ i think the it2006 mplayer works | 19:05 |
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| Sho_ | My god, I wish the damn App Manager would at least tell me what repos the refresh fails on ... | 19:09 |
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| aoirthoir39 | howdy! | 19:12 |
| erstazi | hello aoirthoir39 | 19:12 |
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| aoirthoir39 | howdy erstazi! | 19:12 |
| aoirthoir39 | i installed icebreaker and tuxpuck on my computer | 19:13 |
| aoirthoir39 | ie my nokia | 19:13 |
| erstazi | ok | 19:13 |
| erstazi | are those games? | 19:13 |
| aoirthoir39 | yes | 19:14 |
| aoirthoir39 | i dont know wtf icebreaker does | 19:14 |
| aoirthoir39 | kinda dull games but kinda fun | 19:14 |
| aoirthoir39 | i want tux racer:) | 19:14 |
| Mikho | Has anyone used GtkNotebook? Why doesn't my tab bar scroll when I press the scroll arrows? | 19:14 |
| erstazi | Mikho: is that a text editor? | 19:14 |
| Mikho | the scroll button animates alright but the notebook data doesn't change | 19:14 |
| erstazi | I suggest maemopad (not maemopad+) | 19:15 |
| Mikho | erstazi, it's a Gtk widget | 19:15 |
| erstazi | ok nevermind then | 19:15 |
| aoirthoir39 | whats taht old kinda widget from UNIX | 19:15 |
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| erstazi | aoirthoir39: http://tinyurl.com/352ovr | 19:18 |
| aoirthoir39 | erstazi, thanks! | 19:18 |
| erstazi | np | 19:18 |
| Mikho | is there something wrong with libglade created GtkNotebooks perhaps? | 19:21 |
| rik | right. | 19:22 |
| rik | i'm home. | 19:22 |
| rik | now i can play with my n800 with real internet, and get stuff done. | 19:22 |
| aoirthoir39 | muahahahaha! it works:) | 19:23 |
| aoirthoir39 | im going to add it make it more | 19:23 |
| erstazi | aoirthoir39: heh | 19:23 |
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| sbaturzio | why connecting the USB cable to a Debian Linux PC, only one SD card is visible by the PC? | 19:24 |
| sbaturzio | is it the right behaviour? | 19:24 |
| sbaturzio | from syslog I can see only /dev/sda1 is created | 19:25 |
| aoirthoir39 | muahahaha! 480 minutes! | 19:25 |
| aoirthoir39 | ok this isnt going to work so well to view pdfs..at least big ones | 19:26 |
| aoirthoir39 | but i think i am going to write a nice little tarot website for it (well more oracle cards site) so that I can flip through the cards that come up | 19:26 |
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| rik | hm | 19:31 |
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| rik | so, i have dropbear running. i wonder what's stopping me ssh'ing in. | 19:40 |
| megabyte405 | rik: root rootme | 19:42 |
| megabyte405 | restart first | 19:42 |
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| rik | wha? | 19:46 |
| pupnik | root, rootme do. you know i root you. i'll always be true. so pleeeeeeease.... rootme do... | 19:47 |
| * rik looks at OS version. | 19:50 | |
| aoirthoir39 | back | 19:50 |
| rik | so, uh, Tablet OS 2007 Version 2.2007.51-7... that's old, isn't it? | 19:50 |
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| rik | will updating to 4.2007.26-8 trash all the data i've already got on there? | 19:52 |
| * pupnik does not know | 19:52 | |
| pupnik | oh that? yes | 19:53 |
| pupnik | except that you should put your data on sd | 19:53 |
| Blacksitox | re | 19:53 |
| pupnik | you can use backup utility to backup MyDocs and settings | 19:54 |
| rik | i think i'll do that. | 19:54 |
| rik | not that i've done much, just install a few apps, trying to get stuff working. | 19:54 |
| pupnik | i hope it has been fun so far :) | 19:55 |
| aoirthoir39 | i set mine to not time out for 7800 minutes or something | 19:55 |
| pupnik | being new to an OS can be stressful | 19:55 |
| aoirthoir39 | if you move your pointer up and down on the slider for the manual dimming..its pretty neat lookin | 19:56 |
| rik | well, i know what i'm trying to do, but it's the finding of repositories that everyone else knows about that i haven't done yet. | 19:56 |
| rik | kismet is what i want to get working. | 19:56 |
| rik | it seems to be more stable on latest version, aparently. | 19:56 |
| aoirthoir39 | i played kismet when I was a kid | 19:56 |
| aoirthoir39 | it is a game like yatzee..what does your kismet do rik ? | 19:56 |
| rik | wireless network security analysis stuff | 19:57 |
| ajturner | by the way, this is a good overview of setting up the Usual stuff (rootme, repos, apps) after reflashing : http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html | 19:58 |
| ajturner | someone's personal notes, but good in general | 19:58 |
| rik | thanks. | 19:58 |
| aoirthoir39 | ah cool | 19:59 |
| aoirthoir39 | thanks ajturner | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | ajturner: I'm glad you like it | 20:00 |
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| ajturner | hey mgedmin- indeed, got me root again after reflashing ;) | 20:01 |
| ajturner | and now makes sense that it's Mg Nokia 800 and not "My Nokia..." | 20:01 |
| ajturner | I think more little tutorials/listings like this would be really useful | 20:02 |
| ajturner | for getting new people up to speed, reminding me if I didn't write it down, and also sharing cool tips and apps w/ one another | 20:02 |
| aoirthoir39 | mgedmin, you shouldl check out the site that ajturner is telling us about..its a great site! | 20:02 |
| aoirthoir39 | the gal that wrote it is frickin awesome | 20:03 |
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| qgil | ajturner: what site is that? | 20:06 |
| ajturner | http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html | 20:06 |
| Mikho | Is there anyone here who's seen GtkNotebook scroll arrows work properly? | 20:06 |
| pupnik | /lastlog mgedmin | 20:07 |
| pupnik | what site? | 20:07 |
| _Monkey | i guess site is a site that sells one item per day until it is sold out. usually at ridiculously low prices | 20:07 |
| qgil | ajturner: ah yes, this is a good one | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | qgil: thanks | 20:08 |
| rik | if there a reason to use dropbear instead of openssh or vice versa?@ | 20:08 |
| qgil | mgedmin: oh, the master is also here - thanks to you :) | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | aoirthoir39: I know, I wrote it (even though I'm a guy and not a gal) | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | rik: I use openssh because I'm familiar with it | 20:08 |
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| mgedmin | rik: I've heard dropbear is smaller/needs less resources | 20:09 |
| qgil | timeless: you around? | 20:09 |
| aoirthoir39 | mgedmin, ah you wrote it! | 20:09 |
| rik | 'k | 20:09 |
| aoirthoir39 | mgedmin, that's ok I use terms guy and gal, dude, he/she etc interchangeably...when the gender of the person is not known | 20:09 |
| pupnik | oh mg.pov.lt | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | no problem, other than I thought you were referring to some other site :) | 20:10 |
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| aoirthoir39 | no same site, its pretty good g | 20:14 |
| aoirthoir39 | (another reason I sometimes say G..folks think I mean gangsta but I mean gal/guy...since g can be both) | 20:14 |
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| Blacksitox | brb | 20:16 |
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| aoirthoir39 | brb got to loo | 20:17 |
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| sp3000 | _Monkey: forget site | 20:20 |
| _Monkey | sp3000: I forgot site | 20:20 |
| lnx^ | is it impossible to run skype on the n700? | 20:21 |
| qgil | any fast feedback about http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bugsmaemoorgreorg/ ? | 20:21 |
| lnx^ | n770 even | 20:23 |
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| mgedmin | qgil: I like it a lot | 20:24 |
| qgil | mgedmin: cool | 20:24 |
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| lnx^ | could i try the os2007 hacker edition? | 20:25 |
| sp3000 | qgil: themes is a bit hidden under desktop, but given useful descriptions or a slightly deep listing that could work | 20:26 |
| sp3000 | I'm not sure what desktop / user interaction is for | 20:27 |
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| qgil | sp3000: yeah, this Desktop is a bit weak | 20:27 |
| sp3000 | I'd look for imageviewer under apps | 20:27 |
| sp3000 | I think multimedia as it is now should merge with apps | 20:28 |
| qgil | what happens is that "Hildon" makes more sense but from a user point of view this tells nothing | 20:28 |
| qgil | what we are planning to do do is split Hildon between components at "desktop" and "system software" | 20:29 |
| sp3000 | desktop / home and desktop / <eachapplet> seems fine | 20:29 |
| qgil | desktop / UI tries to be about those more abstract actions i.e. behavior of windows, scroll bars, etc | 20:29 |
| sp3000 | hmm | 20:30 |
| qgil | imageviewer yes, makes sense - /me likes | 20:30 |
| sp3000 | ok so "desktop" is a bit of "desktop" and a bit of "widgetry" | 20:31 |
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| qgil | yeah | 20:32 |
| qgil | sp3000: imageviewer now is under apps - another planned improvement is to have an alias userid for each component i.e. bluetooth@maemo, wlan@maemo... | 20:33 |
| qgil | this will allow anybody to wath those users, which in bugzilla language means to receive notification of anything happening in a whole component | 20:34 |
| sp3000 | yeah, that's useful | 20:35 |
| sp3000 | not that I've been known to watch components on bmo, but so I hear | 20:35 |
| sp3000 | erm | 20:35 |
| * sp3000 slaps maemo and mozilla for both starting with m | 20:35 | |
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| sp3000 | it makes abbreviating inconvenient :) | 20:36 |
| qgil | someone wrote "meamo" the other day in maemo-users - that was funny from a Spanish speaker POV | 20:36 |
| qgil | me amo = I love myself (interpret that yourself) + meamos = we piss (but in Andalusian accent it's like "meamo" | 20:37 |
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| qgil | sp3000: so the first round of feedback tries to get consensus from the products | 20:39 |
| qgil | sp3000: in the meantime we have to add all the missing components | 20:39 |
| sp3000 | I'm not sure about file manager | 20:42 |
| erstazi | qgil: would one thinking of scratchboxing PocketSphinx be thought of being crazy and doing such being a waste of time? | 20:42 |
| sp3000 | I mean it contains the word manager but really, it's a document browser | 20:42 |
| sp3000 | I think I'd like it in apps | 20:42 |
| qgil | sp3000: do you think that Explorer (or whoever it's called now in Windows) or Nautilus users look at these apps like "applications"? | 20:43 |
| qgil | erstazi: I'm surrounded by crazy people - I don't distinguish them from the normal anymore | 20:44 |
| sp3000 | desktop environment utilities is kinda the wording I'd use, given a vacuum | 20:44 |
| erstazi | qgil: I think tonight that I will do some more scratchboxing | 20:44 |
| erstazi | would you sp3000 and qgil would like to test it if I get it working? | 20:45 |
| sp3000 | but I certainly don't think of organizing files as system management | 20:45 |
| mgedmin | qgil: I think it is plausible to expect that everything you launch from the applications menu has bugs under "applications" | 20:45 |
| qgil | mgedmin: the problem of tiying bugzilla structure to UI structure is that one day comes the UI team and changes the structure in the device and... what? | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | lots of fun :) | 20:47 |
| qgil | mgedmin: mysefl was a defender of this principle until I got this convincing argument | 20:47 |
| sp3000 | presumably the ui org has roots that can be retraced to generate bug org :) | 20:47 |
| qgil | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=N800&component=File+Manager&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporte | 20:48 |
| sp3000 | to some extent anyhow | 20:48 |
| qgil | these are the bugs for "file manager" in the n800 now | 20:48 |
| qgil | they are few and in fact most would belong to other components | 20:48 |
| qgil | so perhaps it's not that big issue to start with file manager there | 20:48 |
| qgil | and then move the component to a different product is doable - if needed | 20:49 |
| sp3000 | that's ok, people whose backends' bugs tend to manifest in filemanager can watch that and triage to where-ever they like | 20:49 |
| qgil | sp3000: but then one day we have n devices that follow x different UI structures. what we do then? ;) | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | hire a student to review new bug reports and assign them to proper components? | 20:50 |
| sp3000 | well, the chance of one or the other matching is nonzero regardless of whether we make one match ;) | 20:50 |
| sp3000 | so avoiding the same structure may not be feasible :P | 20:51 |
| sp3000 | anyhow, file organizing doesn't sound system managementey to me, nor does handwriting really | 20:51 |
| sp3000 | utilities/tools/something? | 20:51 |
| qgil | anyway, it is also proven that the first product in the list tends to get most of the unclear bugs - we were lucky having "A-pplications", which is not a bad default | 20:52 |
| sp3000 | tools could be anything though | 20:52 |
| sp3000 | utilities would seem to apply to fm, hwr, cpl, appman, b/r pretty nicely | 20:52 |
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| sp3000 | of course you get a certain pull from some of the components under apps in that case, it's kinda hard to pind everything in one or the other | 20:53 |
| sp3000 | s/pind/pin/ | 20:53 |
| infobot | sp3000 meant: of course you get a certain pull from some of the components under apps in that case, it's kinda hard to pin everything in one or the other | 20:53 |
| * sp3000 slaps infobot | 20:53 | |
| * mgedmin never quite gets the difference between "tools" and "utilities" | 20:53 | |
| sp3000 | infobot: you're also an anti-substitution zealot | 20:54 |
| qgil | mgedmin: you are not alone | 20:54 |
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| sp3000 | tools sounds like something that would eat up dev tools so that's kinda out in my mind | 20:54 |
| qgil | alright, need to go now for a while but please leave feedback here or in the wiki or... - thanks so much! | 20:55 |
| qgil | i will integrate the saucy changes | 20:55 |
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| lardman | kulve: You about? | 21:03 |
| lardman | kulve: What do you reckon about using mmap rather than bulk transfer. Thinking about it, I wonder if that would tread on the toes (and data) of any other tasks that might be running | 21:04 |
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| trevarthan | milhouse: you here? | 21:24 |
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| Silent1mark | Hello | 21:28 |
| _Monkey | bonjour, Silent1mark | 21:28 |
| Silent1mark | What's up? | 21:28 |
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| Silent1mark | Has any one tried to get dosbox running on the 770/800 ? | 21:29 |
| qgil | I'm surprised by the http://maemo.org/news/ algorythm, it's quite clever even when people is not favoriting much | 21:30 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html | 21:30 |
| Silent1mark | pupnik: Oh wow thanks. This is cool. Now if my 770 hadn't WSoD last night I'd really be thrilled! | 21:32 |
| pupnik | it's pretty slow | 21:33 |
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| Silent1mark | Awww man, any idea the cause of the slowness? | 21:36 |
| pupnik | i don't know how to answer that | 21:41 |
| pupnik | if you're asking how much it could be optimized by me, maybe 4% or so | 21:41 |
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| r3pek | heys guys! | 21:41 |
| r3pek | is there a package that provides xauth? | 21:42 |
| pupnik | i've also seen a couple of performance tweaks that degrade compatibility | 21:42 |
| pupnik | xbase-clients, xrsh, xutils, xvfb | 21:42 |
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| erstazi | Silent1mark: if you are trying to run 6 apps, yes, you will notice slowness | 21:56 |
| Silent1mark | erstazi: I was talking about the performance on only dosbox. | 21:58 |
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| pupnik | i think he meant dosbox. we might someday get a JIT x86-ARM dynamic recompiler for it | 21:58 |
| erstazi | Silent1mark: ah ok, sorry, just thought you were a very fresh new user (: never saw your nick in here before and if I had, I just have a poor memory of nicks on irc | 21:59 |
| Silent1mark | erstazi: No harm done, I've never been in here before. I came in last night to cinfirm a WSOD on my 770. | 21:59 |
| erstazi | ah | 22:04 |
| erstazi | so you are trying to run dosbox on your 770? | 22:05 |
| erstazi | that actually sounds interesting | 22:05 |
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| Silent1mark | I want to play Master of Magic on it. | 22:07 |
| erstazi | ah | 22:07 |
| Silent1mark | Well I have to get a new one first. | 22:08 |
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| erstazi | Silent1mark: have you tried taking the source and compiling it in scratchbox? | 22:10 |
| erstazi | Silent1mark: I might put this on my todo list if you haven't attempted it yet | 22:11 |
| Silent1mark | erstazi: Knock yourself out. I don't have a working 770 at the moment. | 22:12 |
| erstazi | ah | 22:12 |
| erstazi | Silent1mark: software or hardware issue with the 770? | 22:12 |
| Silent1mark | erstazi: White Screen of Death. | 22:13 |
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| Phil770_ | can anyone give me a hint as to what I might use as a map repository for Maemo Mapper ? | 22:13 |
| svu | google maps? | 22:13 |
| Phil770_ | does that work ? | 22:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | Phil770_: sure | 22:15 |
| pupnik | erstazi: for emulators and games, check pupnik.de/software.html | 22:15 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 22:15 |
| pupnik | erstazi: if you want to work on dosbox, let me know and i'll send you the tarball of current version | 22:16 |
| qgil | Phil770_: if you have latest version the help is quite self explanatory, otherwise http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4691 | 22:17 |
| erstazi | pupnik: I just grabbed the latest version | 22:17 |
| pupnik | see if you can get 0.71 to run faster than 0.65 | 22:17 |
| Phil770_ | the help option does nothing...doesn't even tell me what version I'm running | 22:18 |
| qgil | Phil770_: there is a kind of help dialog that appears as soon as you install the last version | 22:19 |
| qgil | a wizard | 22:19 |
| Phil770_ | ah, I must have accidentally skipped it. Any idea how to re-run it ? | 22:20 |
| qgil | Phil770_: no idea - reinstalling? | 22:20 |
| Phil770_ | doh ! | 22:20 |
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| MoRpHeUz | Phil770_: why can't you run the same way you did at the first time ? I didnt understand your question... | 22:22 |
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| zeenix | do anyone know/remember that x app that can fetch info (e.g size, position etc) about an x window? | 22:23 |
| pupnik | xwininfo | 22:24 |
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| zeenix | pupnik: thanks | 22:24 |
| Phil770_ | MoRpHeUz: I don't get any wizard appearing when I run it now. | 22:25 |
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| zeenix | pupnik: the only thing i always do remember about it is that it should be easy to guess :) | 22:25 |
| Phil770_ | I think I might not be running the latest version anyway, there are no updates available in the repositories I am using however that forum thread implies there are some features which I do not appear to have | 22:25 |
| Phil770_ | I probably need to add a new repository and update | 22:26 |
| pupnik | zeenix: i had forgotten it too, but x<tab><tab> found it | 22:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | Phil770_: try getting it from maemo.org/downloads/ | 22:27 |
| qgil | Phil770_: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper | 22:27 |
| Phil770_ | heh, unfortuantely my 770 can't handle .deb files. | 22:27 |
| qgil | from here you can follow the homepage, their downloads repository | 22:27 |
| qgil | well, it can | 22:27 |
| Phil770_ | pretty silly that. But Opera has no idea what to launch to deal with them | 22:27 |
| Phil770_ | I know, I could save it and then use the terminal | 22:28 |
| Phil770_ | shame it has to come to that though... | 22:28 |
| qgil | no, wait - if you have problems with the install file then go and pick the .deb offered in their downloads page | 22:28 |
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| qgil | Phil770_: do you have the last IT OS 2006? | 22:29 |
| Phil770_ | yes. I had this discussion with someone on here before, if you just click a link in the browser to a .deb file it doesn't seem to know what to do with it. | 22:30 |
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| Phil770_ | although...it's possible the webserver was just sending back a dodgy MIME type. That was UKMP on the maemo garage site though. | 22:30 |
| qgil | Phil770_: save deb file and then open it from local then | 22:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | Phil770_: doesnt it ask to save or open the .deb ? | 22:31 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz: can b, bug on mimetype in maemo.org as far as i remember | 22:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | Phil770_: you just need to save and then open it using File manager.. | 22:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: hhmm.... | 22:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | Phil770_: and I assume that the .install is not working properly for you right ? | 22:31 |
| qgil | Phil770_: you can follow the steps in their site - http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ | 22:32 |
| qgil | My 2006-OS-compatible software (including Maemo Mapper) is now available in the Maemo Garage Application Catalog. Add this catalog to your Application Manager to gain immediate access to Maemo Mapper downloads and updates: Web location: http://repository.maemo.org/contrib/ Distribution: 2.0 Components: free | 22:33 |
| Phil770_ | hmm, I was following the instructions on that page but they were deliberately vague about repository urls. Also, on that page they list the repository to use however that repository appears to only have version 1.3.5 (Which is what I am now running) and yet the latest version according to Maemo garage is 1.4.7 | 22:39 |
| disq | i got some flash-wearout concerns regarding maemoscrobbler. looking for ideas to improve | 22:40 |
| qgil | http://repository.maemo.org/contrib/pool/2.2/free/m/maemo-mapper/ | 22:41 |
| disq | currently there's a sqlite3 db in ~/, written on every track played, updated on every submit. i want to move it to /tmp or to use temp tables but keep the info between reboots | 22:41 |
| qgil | Phil770_: there is 1.4.7-2 there | 22:41 |
| qgil | the infor about the repository is not vague at all, see the lines below | 22:41 |
| pupnik | wouldn't it make sense for flash memory devices to keep track of number of writes and allow the OS to monitor age? | 22:42 |
| Phil770_ | what does the 2.2 in the url imply ? | 22:42 |
| qgil | Phil770_: Web location: http://repository.maemo.org/contrib/ Distribution: 2.0 Components: free | 22:42 |
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| qgil | Phil770_: 2.2 = latest official it os 2006 for 770 | 22:42 |
| Phil770_ | ah. | 22:43 |
| Phil770_ | yep, 1.4.7-2 is in 2.2 but 2.0 only has as far as 1.3.5 | 22:44 |
| qgil | Phil770_: then I guess in Distribution you need to put 2.2 | 22:44 |
| Phil770_ | is this a bit like sarge versus woody ? | 22:44 |
| Phil770_ | will having various different 'repositories' defined with different distributions mess things up ? | 22:46 |
| Phil770_ | ie. mixinf 2.0, mistral, 2.2 etc ? | 22:46 |
| qgil | Phil770_: to tell you the truth I have no idea | 22:47 |
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| r3pek | pupnik: none of the packages you said exist :( | 22:55 |
| r3pek | at least on the repositories i have :S | 22:55 |
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| soolek | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=29&release_id=712 | 22:56 |
| pupnik | i don't know if xauth makes sense on the tablet | 22:56 |
| soolek | maemo mapper 1.4.7-2 for it2006 n770 | 22:56 |
| soolek | I got this particular one on mine n770 | 22:56 |
| r3pek | pupnik: well... it makes since i want to X forward stuff from the tablet... | 22:57 |
| r3pek | and to use ssh x forwarding i need xauth | 22:57 |
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| qgil | Phil770_: my last tip to you tonight - http://taint.org/2007/08/17/002350a.html - "Tip: once you start maemo-mapper, click the “Download…” button in the “Repository Manager” and it’ll download details for the 5 most useful map repositories, including Google and Virtual Earth." | 22:58 |
| soolek | yep that's correct | 22:59 |
| soolek | ih has all the map repos included in 1.4.7 | 22:59 |
| qgil | now time to switch off - good night! | 22:59 |
| soolek | just need to click on download | 22:59 |
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| pupnik | r3pek: use ssh forwarding | 23:00 |
| r3pek | pupnik: that's what i'm trying to... bu i need xauth on the tablet for it to work | 23:01 |
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| soolek | Phil770_ 2.2 is gregale and thats the one I advise to use in repository.maemo.org | 23:01 |
| soolek | if you want i can give you my sources.list | 23:01 |
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| Phil770_ | soolek: that might be useful actually | 23:07 |
| Phil770_ | I have no idea what are 'good' repositories | 23:07 |
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| Phil770_ | a nice wide range of useful stuff that's not so new it doesn't work yet...but still nice and up-to-date....would be awesome. | 23:07 |
| pupnik | i have mixed mistral and gregale repos | 23:08 |
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| pupnik | r3pek: if you figure it out, that might be a good page for the wiki | 23:11 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Networking:Remote_X_sessions_on_the_Nokia_770 | 23:12 |
| pupnik | that's all i found and it just mentions ssh -x | 23:12 |
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| Veggen | people - when screenblank-timers trigger, network connection gets flaky. often stays flaky when woken up, but disconnecting/connecting helps... | 23:22 |
| Veggen | can i prevent that? | 23:22 |
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| Veggen | right now, its annoying since my n800 is my only working home computer - unless i put keyboard/screen on the server. | 23:24 |
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| soolek | Phil770_ http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~gs20787/n770/sources.list | 23:41 |
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| erstazi | or Phil770_: you could use mine: http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list | 23:44 |
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| erstazi | soolek: have you seen mine? http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list | 23:44 |
| pupnik | Veggen: you have n800? | 23:44 |
| Veggen | pupnik:yes. | 23:44 |
| pupnik | acmonitor? | 23:45 |
| _Monkey | acmonitor is a daemon that runs in the background and monitors the power connector status. It remembers and sets different screen brightness and dimming/blanking timeout settings for the plugged-in and battery operation state. More information and downloads at http://pupnik.de/800powr.html | 23:45 |
| pupnik | avmonitor for 800 also helps keep network alive while plugged-in | 23:45 |
| pupnik | but not in battery mode afaik | 23:45 |
| pupnik | ty for the list erstazi | 23:45 |
| soolek | erstazi i'm just lookin' the thing is that mine use gregale instead of mistral so there're more updated version of the software for repository.maemo.org | 23:45 |
| erstazi | soolek: thats a simple switch to gregale from mistral on the ones that are updated | 23:46 |
| soolek | I know :-) | 23:46 |
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| Veggen | i usually stay plugged in when using it heavvily | 23:46 |
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| Veggen | high inactive_wlan_sleep_timeout is the trick? | 23:48 |
| pupnik | don't remember | 23:52 |
| Veggen | ok, i'll experiment a bit | 23:53 |
| pupnik | i keep a ping running from the pc | 23:54 |
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| Veggen | mmm, done that trick myself, but wondered if there is a better way | 23:57 |
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| derf | I thought you needed the ping running on the device. | 23:58 |
| Silent1mark | Does any one own a DS and Brainage? | 23:59 |
| Silent1mark | I just foudn an eat hack for it. | 23:59 |
| Silent1mark | Well nto realyl a hack | 23:59 |
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