IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2007-08-17

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pupnikthe cooked straiht00:06
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gogollsof | grep clipboard shows a socket: clipboard  846       user    3u  unix 0xc10c08c0               2662 socket00:10
gogolcan i do anything with that information?00:10
gogolanybody smrt around?00:10
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sparrwi could probably figure out the clipboard thing at home00:11
sparrwwhat are you going to do with the clipboard data?00:11
gogoli want to be able to right-click in opera and copy youtube vid location00:12
gogoland then run a perl script from the menu that takes its argument from clipboard contents00:12
sparrwand what is the perl script going to do?00:12
gogolit would make watching youtube videos very simple00:13
gogolextract the correct get_video link, download and then play in mplayer00:13
sparrwmeh, id rather have a youtube/gvideo/etc app00:14
gogolworks great atm, but you have to open a term, type in script name and then paste the url....00:14
gogollike a browsing app?00:14
sparrwhelio has a youtube app00:15
sparrwand we use helio libs on the 77000:15
sparrwi wonder if theres possibilities there00:15
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sparrw has an API to get xml-formatted lists of videos and such00:19
sparrwwith thumbnail images and video URLs00:19
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gogolstream urls or actual links to the .flv00:20
gogolstupid obfuscation crap00:20
sparrwnot sure.  but we have perl and python scripts to do the deobfuscation00:20
gogolabout 10 billion :)00:20
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trevarthansparrw: you ever get kagu SVN working on your 770?00:31
trevarthancool. did you have to change anything?00:32
sparrwthe whatever-made-1.0.5-crash fix works.  the script fix works.  the ogg scanner works.00:32
sparrwhow should ogg track numbers appear?00:32
trevarthanummm... as numbers?00:33
sparrwi see my mp3 as "## Name", but i dont know if thats kagu or if my ripper just put the number into the name field00:33
sparrwwhere specifically should the track number be?00:33
trevarthando you have any tracks with really long names? If so, the track number should stay put and the title should scroll horizontally when you focus it (tap and hold over it)00:33
sparrwstay put where?00:34
trevarthanon the screen00:34
sparrwWHERE?  :)00:34
sparrwrelative to some other elements00:34
trevarthanif the track number scrolls with the title (i.e. disappears), then it's not being stored in a separate variable.00:34
trevarthanit should be to the left of the title00:35
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sparrwi dont have any track titles that long00:36
_Monkeywell, but is there also hardware FP unit or are all the binaries using soft-float?00:36
sparrwthe ogg doesnt have a number there at all00:36
sparrwthen again, i dont know if my oggs have track numbers  :)00:36
trevarthansparrw: this is an example of a scrolling song title with a fixed track number:
sparrw_Monkey: forget but00:36
_Monkeysparrw: I forgot but00:36
sparrwill investigate with some hand-crafted oggs this weekend00:36
trevarthank. sounds great. if the track number is being stored somewhere odd, we want to use it. :)00:37
sparrwin the blue box that is the button for the song00:37
sparrwi see "08 name of the song"00:37
sparrwfor a mp300:37
sparrwfor an ogg from the same album, ripped with different software, i see "name of the song"00:37
sparrwbottom right, below the album art and above the album title, same thing00:38
trevarthanright. so if the track number is being recorded, then we're not using it properly.00:38
sparrwis there a full screen version of the stuff at the bottom?00:38
sparrwfor seeking?  or for just bigger fonts00:38
sparrwbottom right, that is00:38
trevarthanif you tap the bottom right album icon, it'll pull up larger.00:39
trevarthantap again, and it'll give you a seek widget.00:39
trevarthantap again and it gives you the normal nowplayingview.00:39
sparrwwow, horrible image00:39
sparrwalbum cover is a 8k jpg00:39
sparrwlooks silly scaled up00:39
trevarthanyeah. got a ticket for that:
sparrwsong position as inertial vertical menu...  even sillier than volume done the same way00:40
sparrwsliders are popular for a reason00:40
trevarthanno they aren't. they're popular because people don't have touch screens.00:40
sparrwi love the touch screen sliders in canola00:41
trevarthanI hate them, especially for seeking.00:41
* konttori has fixed the bad bugs on ukmp 1.60 and released 1.61. new download version here:
sparrwif you really want to impress me00:41
sparrwgive me a wheel00:41
trevarthanI've got some tuning coming down the pipe to make the scroll widgets work better for seeking. we've got tickets for it.00:41
trevarthansparrw: I don't want to get sued, or I would.00:42
sparrwbug: when i seek, and the seek works, the seek 'menu' scrolls back to where i WAS and highlights it00:42
sparrwwheel on a screen?  sued by whom?00:42
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sparrwi dont think they have a wheel on a touch screen00:42
trevarthanthey've got a patent for it00:42
sparrwi think i read about that, something about a device with buttons on one side and a screen on the other00:43
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sparrwits moot.  i had touch screen wheel widgets on a PDA at least 10 years ago00:43
sparrwwish i had your skills, thats the sort of lawsuit id love to be on the 'wrong' end of00:43
trevarthanYou think you'd win?00:44
trevarthanI originally wanted to do the wheel thing. That was my first idea. Scroll widget was my second idea because I didn't want to deal with legal crap.00:45
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trevarthanalright. commute home time. laters peeps.00:47
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sparrwthat patent doesnt cover a wheel00:49
sparrwthat patent is for different actions for light and hard touches.  and sensing approaching fingers.  they dont Claim (capital for a reason) the actual wheel, its just one illustration of a possible alternate interaction (the other one being the list view)00:50
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sparrwand yes, i think i would win00:52
sparrwi really really want to be on the 'right' side of a software patent dispute00:52
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sparrwand now, afk for 5 hours, talk to sparr then.00:52
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lardman|foodAnyone know of a piece of software that will analyse source code offline and give a tree-type view of the function call structure?00:57
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lardmannice to see vorbis already has code in place to allow custom access to vorbis data01:04
lardmananyone know off the top of their heads whether the vorbisfile callback tell/seek functions take a raw file index as their inputs, or are they calculated with some knowledge of the headers?01:07
lardmanjust wondering how easy that would be to pass back to the arm side01:08
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trevarthansparr: if you want to be on the 'right' side, then why don't we implement a wheel in Kagu? :)02:15
NeoStriderhello folks02:15
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NeoStriderwhats up?02:17
trevarthannot a whole lot. just about to sit down to a long night of Kagu bug fixes and new functionality.02:17
NeoStridermodeling the new foes for angstron02:18
NeoStriderI've finished the level set! \o/02:18
trevarthanreminds me of that tank game they used to have on all the demo computers in the store in the early nineties.02:19
trevarthanI used to want that game so bad... :)02:20
trevarthanback during the time when CDROMs came with cartridges. :)02:20
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NeoStridertrevarthan: what game?02:31
_Monkeyit has been said that game is very funny!02:31
NeoStriderhi nevermnd0102:31
nevermnd01I was wondering if anyone could help me... I tried doing a search but had no luck02:31
nevermnd01I made a small app in pymaemo, and I've been running it via xterm... is there a way I can make a desktop shortcut to it without going through the whole process of making it into a package ?02:32
DaniloCesarnevermnd01, You can create a /bin shortcut....02:33
nevermnd01how's that? (.... this is my first venture into linux :>)02:34
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_Monkeywhat's up, Artemisprime02:39
ArtemisprimeAnyone here ?02:40
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NeoStrider_Monkey, dont you have something to say to me?02:47
_Monkeyno idea, neostrider02:47
DaniloCesar_Monkey, Are you a monkey?02:48
_Monkeyi haven't a clue, danilocesar02:48
timeless_monkey status02:49
_MonkeySince Sat Aug 11 20:55:03 2007, there have been 367 modifications and 82 questions.  I have been awake for 5 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, 20 seconds this session, and currently reference 3847 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.02:49
trevarthan_monkey die02:51
_Monkeytrevarthan: excuse me?02:51
trevarthan_monkey fart02:51
_Monkeytrevarthan: sorry...02:51
trevarthan_monkey addressing on02:51
_Monkeytrevarthan: what?02:51
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erstazihello NeoStrider, timeless, trevarthan and *02:52
NeoStriderhello erstazi02:53
erstazihow is everyone?02:53
timelessok, i'm converting word docs to html. it's great fun02:53
NeoStridermusic worked on device! \o/02:53
trevarthanhey erstazi, wazzup?02:54
erstazitimeless, by hand or by automation?02:54
timelessby mouse02:54
erstazitrevarthan, not much yourself? just finished up working on wife's van02:54
trevarthanerstazi: not much. just settling in for a long night of kagu coding02:56
erstazitrevarthan, I might do some porting of PocketSphinx for OS200602:56
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NeoStridergot to go03:10
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Luriayou know, i cannot wait for the day these things do voice recognition.04:20
shackanwhat for?04:22
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Luriachatting in irc? ;-)04:25
shackansure.. and facial recognition for smileys04:25
Luriaand another step in the great quest to make the star trek PADD a reality ...04:28
Darksmurfanyone know what PADD stands for?04:30
DarksmurfLuria have you seen the LCARS theme for the IT?04:31
Luriaused to use it04:31
* Darksmurf hates trying to solder to crome plated metel (in this case: springs inside a battery holder)04:31
Luriait broke a little too much04:32
DarksmurfI havn't gotten my 770 yet... I wanted to try it out...just from a geek standpoint04:32
Luriain and of itself its perfect04:32
Luriabut the lack of text cursor, xterm hacker issues, etc04:33
DarksmurfI think I just lost a few strands of hair thanks to flying solder..04:34
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Luriai kept it for a month; it's great, but know the issues first.04:34
Luriayou didn't need'em04:35
Luriabut why was solder flying?04:36
Darksmurfcleaning a soldering iron tip w/ a crumpled piece of paper..not the brightest thing to do. The paper got compressed and when it cleared the tip of the iron it acts as a catapult04:36
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Luriaum wet sponge?04:37
Darksmurfyeah, don't know where my 'real' soldering stuff is04:37
Luriaat least they don't fly when the burn...04:37
Darksmurfmy iron broke so I went to Radioshack to pickup a cheapie..didn't think about the rest04:37
Darksmurfalmost done now04:38
Luriagod those irons suck04:38
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DarksmurfI've had one of their digital irons for a few years now, it finally crapped out. It worked quite well actually. Not as nice as what I can use at school, but it served me well.04:39
Darksmurfyeah, the cheapies are..cheap04:39
Luriawhat are you actually doing?04:41
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LuriaIn the Star Trek fictional universe, the Personal Access Display Device (PADD) is a hand-held LCARS-based computer device that function as portable links to the ship's main computer, other portable devices, or data stored on isolinear chips.04:41
Luriathere's your answer04:42
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sullyhey guys, mind a quick question? It seems that the MMCPlus kernel flash I did to my Nokia 770 isn't working. Can I restore my kernel without reflashing the entire device?04:50
penguinbaityes, with the linux flasher you can flash only the kernel04:50
sullyhmm. Is there something I could use with kernel_flash from Fanoush's site to restore the changes?04:52
sullyOnly Windows machines around at the moment.04:52
penguinbaityes fanoush's would work if its booted04:52
sullyIf I take the flash card out, it boots without a problem04:53
sully*thinks* okay, what image do I want to flash on there to restore the original slow card access speeds, any idea?04:54
penguinbaitthen yes boot from flash and use fanoush's kernel flash utility04:54
sullybless that fanoush.04:54
penguinbaityou can unpack original kernel from nokia image, but again need linux04:55
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penguinbaityou need to get a usb or cd version of linux laying around04:56
sullygood idea, I *should* have that somewhere04:57
penguinbaitit comes in handy quite often04:57
penguinbaitI have a flash drive and my stinkpad boots from it04:57
DarksmurfLuria I'll post pics in a bit.. converting an 8 AA battery holder into a 4AA holder + USB hub w/ extra USB A socket04:58
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erstazisully, you could always get an Ubuntu LiveCD and run it04:58
sullyI think I have a BlackDog actually04:58
erstazibasically plop the CD into the CD-drive and reboot your computer, and it will run the Operating System04:58
sullywho knew that'd come in handy04:58
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penguinbaityou need the firmware image and you can use the linux flasher to unpack the image, which will give you a kernel file to flash05:00
penguinbaitAt this point you might as well just use the flasher05:01
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gogolseriously bad05:04
gogol^ i am at perl05:04
Luriai use VMs more than live cds these days... though often i use livecds in a VM05:05
gogolbut!  now have a script that parses 770's bookmarks and will deobfuscate/download any youtube url in it05:05
* gogol thinks thats pretty cool.05:06
Darksmurfsounds cool05:07
Darksmurfso..I'm on I see a vid I wanna watch.. run the script and it downloads it..05:08
gogolneeds links browser until somebody smarter can do redirects in perl without modules05:08
Darksmurfcould you have it ask if you wanted to then delete the bookmarks?05:08
gogolwell you just go around youtube bookmarking anything that looks interestnig05:08
Darksmurfcould it use wget?05:08
gogolooh nice 105:09
gogolyeah, i have another one in bash that uses wget05:09
Luriaan iphone style browser for youtube would be nice.05:09
erstaziLuria, actually, yes, I use VM's a lot... and one contract I have is moving to using servers on multiple vm's05:09
gogolthe perl one checks if the .flv already exists in MyDocs/.videos and will skip if you already have it05:09
sullyI do wish the tablets were finger-navigable friendly.05:09
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gogolsuppose it could delete the bookmark too :)05:09
Lurialive migration is neat05:10
Darksmurfwhile modding my usb port I popped off an smd part... was a pain in the butt to get back on. uber-small05:10
sullyAnyone play with iodine yet, the IP over DNS software?05:11
Luriasully, they are pretty finger nav friendly. could be better, i admit.05:11
sullyyeah, they're not bad. I forgot my stylus at home today and did alright.05:11
Luriabut ive been browsing and chatting in here with the stylus.05:12
Luriaoops without05:12
sullyI have a couple of travel BT keyboards I prefer to use05:12
erstaziusing a finger works well sometimes but sometimes I have found that small areas are hard05:12
Luriaso much for my point ;-)05:12
Darksmurfgogol nice.05:12
erstaziI keep my stylus kept away in the nokia, usually I just use my finger mostly05:13
sullyI do love the speed of my 770 using the kernel flash.05:13
Darksmurfsully I'm prob going to give it a go in a few weeks after school settles down. I've gotta get in touch w/ the DNS host for a domain I handle.05:13
Darksmurfsully What did you do to speed it up?05:13
sullyFanoush's "Support for higher MMC 4.1 bus speeds for N770"05:14
Luriayeah bt kybd is a must, especially if you really "use" the IT05:14
DarksmurfLuria I plan on using a usb keyboard to take notes in class05:15
Luriaoh, very cool05:15
Luriahow did i not know about this?05:15
Luriai wish i still had a 5mx lying around05:16
Luriamebbe ebay05:16
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Darksmurfmy kingdom for super glue...05:21
sullywell, I've never flashing a friend's 770 again.05:22
Darksmurfbad things happen?05:24
sullyIt sort of didn't support the full 52MHz speed.05:24
Luriahmm didn't know the axim was... err... axed...05:24
Darksmurfsort of?05:25
sullyat all!05:25
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Luriafreshdirect needs a damn mobile page05:41
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trevarthanWell, 4 Kagu 1.0.6 milestone bugs fixed tonight. I'm gonna go play some games as a reward.
sullyyou = the guy behind Kagu?06:16
sullyBrilliant work06:16
trevarthanone of 'em. the original author anyway.06:16
sullyIf I could get python2.5 installed on my 770 I'd use it, haha06:16
sullyOddly difficult, that.06:17
trevarthan1.0.5 doesn't work on the 770 anyway.06:17
sullyboo! hiss!06:17
trevarthanThe SVN version works on the 770. We just got a guy (sparr) to help us debug it today.06:17
sullyI'll keep an eye out on the thread for it :)06:18
trevarthanI don't own a 770.... so...06:18
sullyThough again, python2.5. fuck.06:18
trevarthanYeah. 1.0.6 will support the 770 *and* OGG, thanks the sparr.06:18
trevarthanIt'll also have enqueue mode, a ton of fixes, and album art zoom in functionality.06:19
sullySounds like with that version I'm going to have to revisit installing it06:19
trevarthanLook for it on Monday morning. We try to release late Sunday every week. You can see the milestone progress here:
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trevarthanOMG... this is nasty...
trevarthanMy brother in law sent me that.06:26
qgilThanks trevarthan, this is the kind of think you want to see starting to work at 6am...06:32
sullyhmm. I should look into a podcast client. be nice to get video podcasts.06:36
trevarthannp. anytime.06:39
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qgilI'm giving a try to pidgin. Can someone write 'qgil' now and then in, say, 10 minutes please? I want to try the ping sound while having the window in focus, with the screen on and off. Thanks!06:42
qgilThat worked well ;)06:46
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sullywell I'll be. no video podcast support.06:51
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Luriawhat BT devices have people hooked up to the IT (other than keyboard and gps)?06:53
Luriaanyone done anything odd?06:53
sullyjust those two here.06:54
Luriaand phone of course :-)06:54
Luriadoes it work well?06:57
penguinbaitI worked ok06:58
penguinbaitnot really supported anywhere, I got a hacked kbbd, stil works but no source06:58
Luria770 or n800?06:58
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penguinbaitI no longer have 770 though06:58
Luriareally. that may be worthwhile.06:59
penguinbaitIt would be nice if someone would actively suppport a bt gamepad07:00
sullyWhat are you playing on your 800?07:00
penguinbaitwas playing around with quake 207:00
penguinbaitlots of mame07:01
sullyIt's got that much horsepower?07:01
penguinbaittime pilot is fun07:01
Luriai saw mame went main repo07:01
sullyIs that 770 compat?07:01
penguinbaitquake 2, not really but it does play07:01
penguinbaitmame works great07:01
sullyhmm. I'm using ScummVM currently.07:02
penguinbaitI been playing pacman, joust07:02
penguinbaittetris, break out07:02
DarksmurfI'd love to see Quake 107:03
penguinbaitme to, with quakeworld client07:03
penguinbaitah, that would be awesome07:03
penguinbaitsome gamespy applet07:04
penguinbaitctf online on IT would be sweet, and should run decent07:04
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sullyooh, next version of Canola should have podcast downloading.07:06
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Darksmurfand here it is, my battery powered USB hub:
Darksmurfugly as all hell, but it'll do07:12
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Luriaomg did you cook it in an oven?07:13
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Luriathose pics scream easy bake07:14
Darksmurfused a soldering iron to melt the plastic. enclosed all wires, etc that way.07:14
Luriahow did you regulate the voltage ?07:14
Darksmurf5v zener07:15
Luriayay got my bt keyboard out07:18
Luriacan you access the circuitry after the melt job?07:18
gogolsomebody was talking about dns tunneling earlier07:19
Darksmurfnot so much. I CAN, but its not going to be quick07:19
gogolgot me reading around and found this , icmp tunneling for the same (nefarious) purposes07:19
Darksmurfgogol I think it was sully..and I mentioned I was going to give it a go in a bit07:19
qgilCan you ping 'qgil' in 10 minutes please? Testing pidgin. Thanks07:20
sullyI'm just going to add a note to that thread to encourage the item again :)07:20
gogolqgil i will07:20
Luriacrap that reminds me07:20
sullyoffhand, if I install mplayer should I get .mov/.m4v support?07:20
Luriai meant to read the arrl book for the ham test07:21
gogollike libs? or in mplayer? i think it plays those07:21
sullyI'm sure mplayer does. I guess I was wondering if Canola would display it07:21
* gogol stops talking07:21
gogoli begged and pleaded07:22
gogolcouldnt get canola to stream _any_ video07:22
gogolbut i have no mmc yet07:22
Luriaum... computers usually respond to changing settings and stuff, but im sure the pleading was cathartic07:23
Luria(yes, j/k)07:23
Darksmurfim now on a keyboard connected to pc via usbA usbA cable connected to my hub w/o batteries.07:23
Darksmurfsi it still work :-)07:24 still works*07:24
LuriaDarksmurf, now get it running with an n80007:24
Luriaoh is that tcp over dns?07:25
DarksmurfLuria heh... give me an n800 and I'll try :-)07:25
Luriai mean icmp07:25
Lurianever mind07:25
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Darksmurfjust don't expect much07:27
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qgilgogol, wait 10 minutes more since i woke up the screen to check if anybody had sent a 'qgil' ping ;)07:41
gogolshit sorry a friend showed up07:42
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* Darksmurf can't find a 7805...I know I've got some around here somewhere...07:44
Darksmurfhmm...I guess I can get one from work tomarrow07:47
Luriai wish abiword were stable on the n80007:50
Darksmurfanyone have any thoughts on the iT app that is designed for note taking w/ the stylus? Supposed to be kinda like MS' oneNote?07:51
Luriawhich one? xournal?07:52
Darksmurfand yet another random thought.. for those w/ 770's...why worry about 2gb+ RC-MMC cards? USB Flash+9v battery = 1,2,4,8+gb of flash (granted, not as easy to carry)07:53
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Luriacause youve just changed the form factor which kinda defeats the purpose of a 77007:54
LuriaDarksmurf, which note app did you mean?07:55
DarksmurfLuria I'm not sure of the app name..gimme a min I'll see if I can find it07:55
Luriacause it sounds a bit like xournal, but if there is something else i'd love to know.07:56
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DarksmurfI remember seeing xournal, but I thought there was an iT native app (i.e. not a port) Maybe I'm mistaken07:57
Luriadon't remember?08:04
gogolwow big ping..........08:05
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Darksmurfnot quite what I remember, I think xournal is more of what I'm after08:05
gogolar, cant page qgil im not registered on freenode anymore08:05
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qgilIt works! Thanks gogol|afk08:06
gogol|afkah it did, good08:06
gogol|afkoff to have some beers, gn all08:06
Luriaxournal rocks08:07
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DarksmurfLuria I'm supposed to get my 770 Friday, but I'm not counting on it. Any gotta have apps? Of course xterm, etc.08:09
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Luriaim on the n800, but08:09
Luriafor me...08:10
Luriaxournal, xchat, scite, claws mail08:10
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Luriavnc, rdesktop, wordpy (if you blog). cli, you need nmap, wget, vim and openssh08:12
Luriaoh and nethack :)08:12
DarksmurfI usually use nano. Never got the hang of vim. Openssh is a must.08:12
Luriaevince seems to render much faster than the n800s PDF viewer.08:12
Darksmurfthats what I've read08:13
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Luriabooks that were unreadable (3-4 sec page load) were not an issues on evince08:13
Luriai wish i could remove the inbuilt pdf and email programs08:14
Luriagaim/pidgin too. get a BT keyboard08:14
Luriayou will want a BT keyboard08:15
Darksmurfcan't afford a bt keyboard..I'm going for USB host mode. I'm very sorry to hear the 800 doesn't have usb host mode. USB is the biggest factor in my purchase. I was looking for a SMALL portable SSH terminal so I could take notes and have them stored on my PC at home. I gave up until I found out I could connect a USB keyboard to the 770.08:16
Luriadidnt know that the 770 could do that08:19
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Luriastill, the speed of the n800 was important to me08:20
Darksmurfit takes a reflash and you have to build a cable to inject 5v into the USB port of the 770 and the USB device. But yeah, from what I hear it works great. There was an posting about a guy who used a skype USB headset to talk on gizmo.08:20
Luriai thought host mode worked for the n800 with a kernel patch08:21
DarksmurfYeah, I'm worried that the 250mhz CPU is going to hurt. I'm also sad about the memory card situation, but I'll manage. Like I said, this is supposed to be nothing but a note taking device.08:21
Luriauntil it replaced your mp3 player08:21
DarksmurfI know they are working on it, I didn't know it had been fixed.08:21
zuhLuria: People seem to have trouble with the experimental patches08:21
Luriaand then you maintain a pdf library :)08:21
DarksmurfI have a mpd -> icecast server at home..I stream to my cellphone, and I'll be able to stream to the 770 :-)08:22
DarksmurfI expect to switch my ebooks from the cellphone to the 770..the screen should be wonderful08:22
Luriaive tried edge via bluetooth, but i think im sticking to wifi hunting08:23
Luriaif only one could crack wep on the n800 ;-)08:23
Luria(yes, yes, but no packet injection)08:23
DarksmurfI do the streaming via edge. When I was in houston a month back I got a taste of 3g.. 7 times the speed! (~150 - 200kbit, 800-990 in houston)08:24
DarksmurfI'm also interested in using the Wifi in the 770 + bluetooth to the cellphone + iptables to make a roving ad-hoc hotspot. Could be nice on road trips :-)08:24
Luria(yes, yes, but no packet injection)08:27
Luriawait so multiple computer connect to your iT to your phone and out?08:27
Darksmurfcorrect. Slow yes, but better than nothing. enough to check email, RSS, etc08:28
Luriai guess08:28
Luriabut thats what the iT is for: checking email, directions, rss feeds08:29
Luriaeven chatting in irc channels :-)08:29
DarksmurfI usually go w/ 2 or 3 friends to a amatuer radio convetion called Hamvention, largest in the country. Last year we had 4 laptops on the way there, 8 or 9 on the way back :-/08:29
Luriai was thinking of sitting for the ham test on the 20th just for fun08:30
Luriaat columbia uni08:30
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sparrtrevarthan: im having trouble with kagu again08:32
sparrtrevarthan: you said a wheel in kagu facetiously...  thats actually fine with me08:32
Darksmurfdo it! you've heard of gateway drugs? Ham radio is a gateway gives you many new directions to take any of your other hobbies. Example: RC planes. w/ the lowest level ham license you can use new frequencies that are less crowded and use more power. Computers: how about a 300mile wifi link? antenna designs, etc08:32
Luriai know, i know08:32
Luriadxing with an n800? :)08:33
Darksmurfits not just about sitting around talking on the radio. I also chase near space balloons... http://astro.okstate.edu08:33
Darksmurfit could be done... I guess ;-)08:33
Luriaoh it was for talking...08:33
Luriajust the fun of knowing08:33
DarksmurfI hope to use the 770 as an APRS client xastir.sourceforge.net08:33
Luriaor building a transceiver08:34
Darksmurfyeah, that too. I never got into that side of it. Although the new software define radios are very interesting08:34
Luriaoh neat link08:35
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Darksmurfan example of the ham community: a few years ago on our way back from hamvention we saw a car from canada. Plastered with callsign, etc. We knew he was a ham. We make motions window to window to pick a frequency. We start talking. After nearly an hour driving down the road we decide to stop and have dinner together. The 4 of us, him and his two passengers.08:37
DarksmurfIt turns out he was a store chaser from canada. He gave tours. Kinda neat.08:37
sparri wouldnt mind becoming a ham now that the code requirement has been relaxed08:37
Darksmurfrelaxed? removed?08:38
Darksmurfyeah, I need to upgrade :-)08:38
Luriayou mean the morse requirement?08:38
Luriai started listening to the arrl cds for fun anyway08:39
sparri got to use a sony mylo today08:39
sparrthats another device on my 'perfect gaming handheld runners up' list08:39
sparrdisq trevarthan: kagu writes to /home/user even as root?  if im not mistaken, thats very bad.08:40
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sparrdisq: i have confirmed that my ogg does not have a track number for mutagen to find08:41
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Luriayou know, they need to make a tiny usb dongle that is dsp+fm xmitter08:43
timelesssudo does that too, no? :)08:43
Luriai just saw a very disturbing commerical...08:44
sparrtimeless: sudo is supposed to do that.  this is the difference in running as root and running from within a shell run as root  :)08:44
sparrdisq trevarthan: ogg track numbers work.  i didnt have any  :)08:58
sparri cant be alone in hating the kagu volume and seek control09:05
sparrits so massive and counter-intuitive09:05
qgilSorry to bother again with a lasr test09:05
qgilCan you ping 'qgil' now and then in 10 minutes? Now the test on pidgin is done with minimized window. Thanks!09:07
Luriaqgil, you good?09:23
qgilTest successful!09:24
qgilThanks. Ping sounds in irc channel work always with pidgin09:25
qgilNow i see that some people had sent personal messages but i got no sound09:25
qgilWill check my prefs09:26
Luriaomg the GoBook MR-1 is nuts09:27
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Luriai love ruggedized stuff09:29
Luriawell, i know whats replacing my cf-m34 in a few years...09:33
sparrthe tablet09:34
_Monkeyit has been said that the tablet is something you browse with while watching tv :)09:34
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sparrthe tablet i bought09:34
sparrcnet gave them a lower score because of no CF slot09:34
sparrCF?  what is this, 2001?09:35
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sparrno SD, THAT gets a negative from me...  but CF?!?09:37
timelessmy audrey uses something like cf iirc09:38
timelessyep :)09:38
sparrCF is for devices too small for PCMCIA09:39
sparrand this has a type 2 slot09:40
sparrCF is for devices too small for PCMCIA, before the invention of SDIO09:40
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sparrproblem solved09:41
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Darksmurfhow many bluetooth devices can the 770 connect to at the same time?10:36
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jheDarksmurf: there shouldn't be at least any SW imposed restriction. the device supports scaternets and in a piconet where it's acting as master it can have up to 7 slave connections (which is a restriction of bluetooth and not specific to the 770)10:39
Darksmurfjhe thanks! Just what I was hoping to hear.10:40
jhe:) np10:41
Darksmurfjhe: you know of anyone using a nonpowered usb hub w/ the 770 in usb host mode, by injecting 5v into the PC connection? I expect it to backfeed into the 770 to power it's USBchip, as well as feed into the hub to power the other devices. I think the hub should treat it exactly like the 'pc' was feeding it 5v. I'm hoping to avoid the use of a true powered hub.10:42
guru3as far as i know, in the 5v has to be in between the 770 and your non powered hub10:44
guru3so as long as you meet that condition10:44
Luriafwiw, ive had keyboard, gps, and edge running at once on my n80010:44
Darksmurfsounds good. all the howtos say to use a powered hub. I just want to make sure I'm not going to kill the 770.10:45
DarksmurfLuria perfect.10:45
guru3a powered hub, afaik, but default does not inject 5v into the host port10:45
guru3what i've done before is crossed the 5v output of a powered hub from the client port to the host port10:45
guru3and it's worked fine10:46
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guru3(now is also a good time to point i'm not an electrical engineer, but am an enthusiastic hobbiest...)10:46
Darksmurfas am I guru3..but I'm in school to be an EE :-)10:47
guru3heh, well, i'm not even studying for EE10:48
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JaffaMorning, all11:11
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floriangood morning11:40
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a69okerhello ... anyone here familiar with OMAP 3430?11:49
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pupniki want one11:56
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pupnikif i were 18 again i'd be learning ARM assembly11:57
a69okerpupnik:... are you familiar with it?11:58
pupniki have read the specs11:58
a69okerpupnik: so you know about m-shield?11:58
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pupnikthat's interesting - google hits  with m-shield have that text removed12:00
a69okerpupnik... you there?12:02
pupnikyeah reading that link12:02
pupnikwhat's interesting about it to you?12:02
a69okerwell...:) I'm studying this for school and I don't understand a couple of things...12:03
a69okerso I was hoping someone here can clarify thigs for me:)12:03
a69okerm-shield is embedded in the omap right?12:03
pupnik"TI's M-Shield technology is a system-level approach that intimately interleaves hardware and software"12:04
lardmanseems to be the name they give their overall scheme of making things difficult12:04
a69okerso the software comes seperate...?12:05
a69okerI have to purchace it seperatly?12:05
pupnikcheck the Hardware Feature Set and ROM Code Feature Set12:05
lardmanm-shield refers to their hardware design and their software together, afaict12:05
a69okerso it includes all the encryption algorithms embedded?12:05
lardmanyou do probably need to buy/license some aspects, for example the cryptographic accelerators (which might be interesting for us too)12:06
a69okerthat what I'm intrested in12:06
pupniklooks like it's all in the N800 already12:06
lardmanthe omaps have hardware to do the acceleration, you need to pay to get code to use it12:06
lardmanor get hacking... :)12:06
pupnikexcepting the ARM TrustZone support12:06
pupnikzomg!  torrent plz!12:07
a69okerso I need their software to work with the encrpytion algorithms instead for looking for a 3d party security solution for protecting data?12:07
a69okerso I need == better to use12:07
lardmanwell you may as well use the hardware that's sat there12:08
lardmanbut as there's little data available, I'd want to test that it works too (though I don;t imagine it wouldn't)12:08
a69okerso there is no need for me to look for a 3d party security solution? to protect data in transit12:08
lardmanjust depends then on how expensive/hard it is to implement12:09
a69okerI think it would work:)12:09
a69okerit TI12:09
lardmanin transit where? Between the chips on the omap?12:09
a69okerno bettween a device and a server12:09
a69okerpersonal data like contact lists for example12:09
a69okerI want to encrypt the list first12:10
a69okerthen transmit to the server12:10
pupnikdo you know scp?12:10
a69okerbut I need something more secure12:10
a69okerand trusted12:10
a69okerbetter to encrypt then I don't need scp12:10
lardmanwell write your own then, I wouldn't trust someone else's closed code12:11
a69okerAES is open source12:11
lardmanthe chip has accelerators, you need to utilise the accelerators to do encryption/decryption as part of your security infrastructure12:11
a69okeraccelerator meaning they make things faster?12:11
lardmanso you could use the accelerator to encrypt then send emails, etc., but you'd need to write the code to call the encryption hardware (or link into their api) and to then do the sendind12:12
a69oker:) thank you12:12
a69okerthat's just what I needed to know;)12:12
lardmanit's like graphics cards hw accel, you still need to do something with the data before and after12:12
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lardmanthe acceleration just makes it quicker doing the encoding/decoding12:13
lardmanThat's my impression anyway12:13
a69okerI've tried contacting TI by phone...12:13
a69okerbut they only work with companies:)12:13
a69okerso they wouldn't give me any info12:15
lardmanThere are some other features that look like they might interest you - secure storage of various keys and other things that you coudl use for the encryption for example12:15
a69okeryes... and what is mobile ticketing?...12:15
a69okersame as keys?12:15
lardmancab't find that12:15
a69okerit's in the pdf12:15
a69okerbut doesn't explain what it means12:15
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lardmanwhat page, search doesn't find it12:17
a69okerone sec let me open the pdf...12:17
a69okerhmm I'm sure I've seen there...12:18
a69okermaybe it's in the ompa pdf12:18
a69okerone sec12:18
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a69okerunder "Offer New and Different Content?12:20
lardmandoes it simply mean buying tickets using your mobile?12:20
a69oker:) perhaps didn't think that simple12:20
lardmanJust a guess12:20
a69okerI thought it might be a security feature:)12:20
a69okerI think you are right12:20
a69okerI will try to contact them again regarding the cryptographic accelerators...12:21
a69okerI need to make sure I don't need a 3rd party solution here12:22
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a69okerThank you lardman really appriciate the help;-D12:23
rikhi all. what's the status of kismet and the like for n800?12:24
rikdo i need to update os etc?12:24
lardmana69oker: np, good luck12:25
a69okerthanx cu l8412:27
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lardmananyone familiar with the dspsink (Gstreamer/ARM side) source codes?12:35
lardmandoes a sink need to know a lot about the data it's decoding (to pass onto other parts of Gstreamer, not to do the decoding itself which is selfevident)?12:36
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Silent1markI think I am the only one awake, and I have no idea sorry.12:37
Silent1markBut if it makes you feel any better I think I jsut bricked my 770. :)12:37
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lardmanShould be very hard to brick12:37
lardmanwhat have you done?12:38
Silent1markWell I'm not sure.12:38
Silent1markI just got a New MMC for it, a 2gig one I found on amazon.12:38
riki newfsed my / partition on my work machine yesterday, when trying to get the new disk working. oops12:39
lardmanopps indeed12:39
Silent1markINsert it, boot it up, get a root terminal and format the mmc via sfdisk. Reboot.12:39
Silent1markNow the screen is all botched up.12:39
rikfortunately it needed a new  os anyway.  svn co /home/rik   ftw :)12:39
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lardmanSilent1mark: Interesting12:39
lardmanSilent1mark: Same without the card? There are some posts about this kind of thing happening, not sure what the cause is as I';ve not read them12:40
Silent1marklardman: where is the forum?12:40
Silent1markOh ok, I was looking all over the maemo page and then came here12:41
lardmanor linked from maemo.org12:41
lardmanunder the Not a developer? text12:41
Silent1markOh ok.12:42
lardmanUsers United even12:42
Silent1markI tried reflashing it, I got this error, " Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown12:42
Silent1markBut it did re-flash it, and it rebooted and still has a goofy screen12:42
pupnikdescribe goofy12:42
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Silent1markall white screen, tablet works, jsut an all white screen.12:43
pupnikhow do you konw the tablet works?12:43
Silent1markWhen I hit the power button I can see the " lock device , shutdown. etc.." menu sort of show up, but nothign is readable.12:43
pupnikahh i've had that - did you delete themes?12:43
lardmanoh, is that the white-screen-of-death?12:44
pupnikno it's hildon failing to load the theme12:44
Silent1markand I can hear the " click" sounds  when I move the stylus around on the screen.12:44
Silent1markOh ok.12:44
Silent1markIs there a quick fix opn the forum I can find?12:44
pupnikcheck that the image you are flashing is complete - check filesize and md5sum12:44
Silent1markIt shoudl be fine since it is the same one I've used as before.12:45
pupnikwhat's the filename?12:45
lardmanI wonder if the flasher checks it too?12:45
Silent1markHere is the whole command I have been using to flash12:46
Silent1mark./flasher-3.0 -F SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R12:46
pupnikmy SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin filesize: 63044309  md5sum: 421eac7f6800b5ddee8e7ed9319c434e12:47
pupnikuse flasher 212:47
pupnikafaik it is the recommended one12:47
Silent1markIt's the WSOD12:48
lardman 3.0 should also work on the 77012:49
pupnikDunno.  I have seen people try 3.0, fail, and try 2.0 with success.12:50
pupnikit appears to me that Silent1mark has flashed defectively12:50
lardmanagreed, but he had problems before flashin I think12:50
pupnikSilent1mark: can you take a picture of the device with the 'WSOD' and upload it somewhere?12:51
Silent1markI can show you exactly what it looks like.12:51
Silent1markTHis is not mine12:52
Silent1markbut one on the forum, of exactly what I am seeing12:52
pupnikyep wsod12:52
* pupnik takes his hat off12:53
Silent1markMan that sucks.12:53
Silent1markI've had this thing since the first article about it in LJ and have rebooted it 9.432432x10^64 times.12:54
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JaffaSilent1mark: Nokia should replace it even if it's out of warranty as it's obviously a manufacturing defect13:18
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rikhas anyone installed kismet?13:27
lardmanah, I see there is a Ti document called the OMAP2420 Technical Reference Manual, that would be interesting...13:28
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Silent1markJaffa: Thanks,  I am looking into that right now. And am looking up consumer laws incase they try to give me the run around.13:32
pupnikrik yes13:32
JaffaSilent1mark: also, where are you based? In the UK, the Sales of Goods Act applies for around 7 years, and you go go back to the vendor (not manufacturer) in that time and get a replacement/refund.13:33
Silent1markI am in the US. I bought this one Direstly from NOkia, via the Online Store.13:34
pupnikrefund for anything that breaks after 7 years?13:34
pupnikthat would certainly explain why prices in GB are so high13:34
lardmanYou'd have to try quite hard to prove that what they sold you wasn't fit for purpose though13:35
lardmanaround the 7 year mark that is13:36
rikpupnik: from where? i can't find a package, or rather i haven't yet.13:36
JaffaYeah, and no-one in the shops knows about it, so you have to fight13:36
lardmanDo they know anything on the day you buy things either?!13:37
JaffaGood point :)13:37
pupnik# sqlite3 libsqlite3-0 libreadline4 kismet becomeroot btscanner pipepanic privoxy locales-extras-polish gpesyncd13:38
pupnikdeb mistral user13:38
rikso, what do i do with that? i'm still neww to this n800 and maemo stuff...13:43
lardmanis there no install file for kismet?13:44
lardmanno, oh well13:45
lardmanIn which case you need to add that repository in the Application Manager13:45
riknot that i've found. of course there's probably something i don@t know13:45
lardmanthen let it update (download a list of packages contained therein), then select kismet from the list and click install13:46
rikhow do i add that repository?13:46
lardmanTools menu, somewhere near the top iirc, have;'t got my n800 near me atm13:46
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rikokay. *peer*13:47
pupnikumm dunno about kismet+n80013:47
lardmanapp manager also happens to be in the tools section of the 'start menu'13:47
pupnikthat kismet is for 77013:47
lardmanah, missed that point13:48
pupniki do not know if anyone has built drivers for n800 wlan that support rfmon mode13:48
* pupnik is happy that his 'obsolete' 770 still does some things better than N800 :)13:50
rikahhhh. that makes sense, from what i've read. i.just thought he poblems were solved by now.13:50
_Monkeysomebody said kismet was mistral user or but don't complain if it doesn't work13:50
Silent1markDoes the n800 WSOD as well?13:50
rikwell. i guess i should get pim stuff intalled then13:50
Veggenmmmf, anyone got n800 sip from rtcomm beta to work with asterisk? looked like in the forums, but no details provided.13:50
pupnikhey rik - check out that n800.deb13:51
pupniksomeday monkey will be the most knowledgable chatter in maemo :)13:54
rikunfortunately, that package doesn't install for me. it's complaining about incompatible application package.13:55
riki suspect that's my n800 havng an old os though13:56
pupnikthen install with dpkg -i13:56
Veggenhmm. laptop power plug which hardly works. suddenly my n800 gets heavy usage.13:57
lardman_Monkey: Learned anything about Jazelle yet?13:57
_Monkeywish i knew, lardman13:57
lardmannot that knowledgeable yet then, though yesterday he/it spouted something about hw acceleration iirc13:58
rikhm. where's the document folder live on the filesystem? i've downloaded the package to it.13:58
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lardman~/MyDocs/.documents/ or something like that13:58
pupniklardman, i'm beginning to think maybe dsp would be useful for audio even without access to audio device14:00
Veggenif you ask me, that´s a little stupid. why hide it?14:00
riksigh. i'm such a n00b. okay... how do i get root on this? is there a sudo package i can install? :)14:00
jonekhi, (lardman, _Monkey) I'm interested in Jazelle, too. have seen Sebastian Mancke's presentation about Java on InternetTablets on Linuxtag in Berlin... I'm working mainly on/with Java phoneME advanced.14:01
_Monkeybecomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] or for a more long winded method
lardmanjonek: _Monkey is a bot14:01
lardmanjonek: I'm Simon Pickering, writing random rubbish about Jazelle to the list14:01
lardmanpupnik: Yes, I'm working out how to get the Tremor-lowmem-no-byte code working14:02
lardmanpupnik: Start passing back the data, as kulve said, we should write some codecs then Nokia may be more inspired to release some more info for us14:02
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pupnikyou are my hero :)14:03
lardmandon't get your hopes up yet!14:03
pupnikhow big is the c code for tremor?14:03
joneklardman: i've read your mails and found them quite interesting!14:03
pupnikthe snes sound chip emu is  44726 spc700.cpp14:03
pupnikbut i have no idea how dsp can access memory :)14:04
rikokay. i have to go. i'll deal with this soon.14:04
pupniksince it is meant to process streams this might not be possible14:04
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pupnikcu rik - follow _Monkey's instructions14:05
kulvelardman: it still gets stuck. I'll try to learn some day how the mmap works. That's how the existing tasks seems to be passing the data..14:05
lardmanjonek: I'd be interested in your opinion of whether things like Java stack pointer, pointer to variables area and the constant pool pointer would need to be setup outside of Jazelle or by Jazelle14:05
lardmankulve: Yep, look at p57 of the spec doc14:06
lardmanpupnik: The code size is ~700kb14:07
kulvelardman: do I need to make the .cmd file for the task? All the existing tasks have it..14:07
lardmanpupnik: What do you mean by "access memory"?14:07
lardmankulve: I'm not sure, the G.711 doesn't seem to need it14:08
lardmankulve: I think (and this is just my guess) that you can change the default mapping using the command file14:08
pupnikdoes dsp have its own ram, or do you reserve and map some system ram for it?14:08
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lardmanpupnik: It has its own, and an MMU to map/share system memory too14:09
pupniki see asm_arm.h there - maybe it is possible to build a faster libvorbisidec?14:10
lardmanpossibly, not sure whether those bits of asm are used in the normal ARM tremor14:10
lardmanI thought they only do 64bit arithmetic, which isn't needed much14:11
lardmanI'm wrong, nothing 64bit in there14:12
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lardman has the arm asm too14:13
kulveI think arm asm is a problem? Since dsp doesn't run it?14:14
lardmanthe asm is ifdef's14:14
lardmanso it shouldn't be an issue14:15
lardmanI need to build a frontend for the code, to interface with the dspgateway14:17
lardmanand to call ov_open_callbacks14:17
lardmanlooks like the callbacks stuff they have built in should make life easier14:17
lardmanthe only issue with this simplistic approach, is that all of the processing will be done on the DSP, so it may make passing back data for ARM side apps more difficult14:18
lardmanthe ARM side will open the file and pass the whole lot over without even looking at it. This is not the way the Nokia DSP sinks work.14:18
lardmanNot sure if this is to optimise the processing or simply because GStreamer requires more knowledge of the stream data and passing it back would be inefficient14:19
AD-N770lardman, I think that the requirement in gstreamer is playback in sync14:20
lardmanI think I'm getting a little ahead of myself anyway, if I can pass the whole file and decode it that will be a step in the right direction14:21
AD-N770lardman, the gstreamer elements could be done probably in a different way, currently in the the decoders written on top of DSP are sinks for compressed data14:22
lardmanI think that ideally one would use the same general scheme though, keep the timing and overall control on the ARM and just send frames to the DSP14:24
lardmanbut I don;t know vorbis very well, so I'll take what I can get and work from there14:24
AD-N770a different approach could  be just decoders on dsp, generic dsp sink capable to push raw data and special elements to recover/push buffers to DSP14:24
AD-N770the dsp sink should expect that data is allocated at dsp side14:25
lardmanthat's really what the Nokia code does, generic interface with the DSP and some setup code for each supported codec14:25
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AD-N770yes, lardman I read the code of gstreamer for dsp some weeks ago14:26
solmumahaanyone using hacker? for some reason i can't delete files with filemanager, was just wondering if it's a known issue14:26
lardmanAD-N770: Anyway, all in the fullness of time :)14:27
AD-N770mainly I was interested on dsppcmsink14:27
AD-N770lardman, have you tried to compile vfp assembly with CS2005 ?14:28
lardmanI've not looked at vfp assembly at all I'm afraid14:28
lardmancs=code studio?14:29
lardmanah, okay14:29
AD-N770the toolchain that maemo uses14:29
lardmanWell vfp works, but I've just left the compiler to sort out the assembly14:29
AD-N770a bit old now, I think that nokia should update it14:29
AD-N770I rewrote a function of liboil two weeks ago, but I couldn't find the way to build it14:30
AD-N770I don't know what to do to make gcc compile my code14:31
lardmanis it all asm or inline?14:31
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lardmanI've only been fiddling with inline asm for the Jazelle stuff, I don;t know much about writing entire functions in asm14:32
lardmanwhat kind of errors do you get?14:33
AD-N770lardman: I wrote some code in asm for arm5/6 before14:34
AD-N770but that's my first try with vfp14:34
AD-N770the compile refuses to understand the vfp code14:34
lardmanah, have you set mcpu?14:35
lardmana flag to gcc14:35
kulve-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp14:35
kulveI guess..14:35
lardmani.e. gcc test_jazelle.c -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -o test_jazelle.bin14:35
AD-N770lardman, kulve:
lardmanotherwise the compiler may not accept certain asm instructions (such as bxj)14:36
lardmansame may be true for the vfp instructions (as the toolchain is softfloat otherwise I think)14:36
kulveAD-N770: what's the error?14:37
kulve(I don't know anything about asm though..)14:37
AD-N770and last one:
lardmansee what -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp does, rather than -mtune14:38
AD-N770bad instruction `fadd s24,s8,s16'14:38
AD-N770I'm going to try it now14:39
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AD-N770same errors with -mcpu14:40
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lardmanI can only find QDADD in both the ARM arch manual and the ARM1136J-S Tech manuals14:43
rm_youso, I got videos to play with mplayer and a2dp audio, stay in sync, and not be laggy :P14:43
AD-N770lardman VFP is a coprocessor14:44
rm_youstill looking for ways to improve performance... any mplayer/mencoder experts here?14:44
lardmanrm_you: Cool, when I tried a2dp my misic seemed to change tempo quite a bit14:44
AD-N770lardman: has a separate manual14:44
lardmanAD-N770: Do you have a link or name?14:44
rm_youlardman: mine seems to work fine.. was that video or mp3?14:45
AD-N770yes, looking at ARM site14:45
lardmanrm_you: mp314:45
rm_youwow... that's lame :914:45
lardmanrm_you: May have had something running that slowed down the conversion I suppose14:45
rm_youthrough Kagu or command line mplayer?14:45
lardmanrm_you: either14:45
kulve"Vector Floating Point Instruction Set Quick Reference Card (95KB .pdf)"14:46
lardmancertainly played thro Kagu14:46
AD-N770and ARM DDI 0274H14:46
rm_youyeah, me and a friend have been sitting here trying to improve a2dp+video performance all day14:46
rm_youis ffmp3 an integer only mp3 decoder now? thought it used to be FP14:47
lardmanthanks, taking a look now14:47
rm_youthe n800 only has a virtual floating point processor, right?14:47
lardmanrm_you: No it's real hw14:47
kulvevector floating poing, afaik14:47
rm_youah ok, cool14:47
AD-N770it's real hardware14:48
rm_youthen that wouldnt make a difference, bah... was hoping compiling mplayer with libmad support would improve decoding performance, but that explains why we didnt see a significant speed increase14:48
kulveit doesn't seem very efficient though. At least e.g. vorbis is faster with tremor (fixed point) than the floating point version14:48
AD-N770rm_you, libmad compared with what ?14:49
rm_younah was seeing average 30% cpu usage for mplayer and a2dpd combined, with both ffmp3 and libmad14:49
lardmanthat's the code though, I've read they are thinking of adopting a fp version of Tremor as the standard code14:49
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rm_youAD-N770: ffmp3, being the other default used instead of dspmp314:50
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rm_youat least, actually in the official mplayer, and referenced on all the a2dp guides14:50
rm_youhave you tried a2dp stuff?14:51
AD-N770I've to go for lunch now14:51
lardmanAD-N770: Don't you need to access the coprocessor registers to pass data back and forth?14:51
AD-N770lardman: yes14:51
lardmani.e. MMRC/MCRR14:52
lardmanyou don;t seem to do this though, so you?14:52
lardmans/so you/do you14:52
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rm_youwho is the guy maintaining mplayer for the n800?14:52
AD-N770no sure if I'm doing it in the appropriate way, if I understood correctly the manual14:52
AD-N770there's specific instructions to move from memory to vfp registers14:53
lardmanI don't know either, just from a quick read and my looking at some of the other coprocessors14:53
pupnikrm_you: a quick look at the mailing list would answer that14:53
rm_youyeah... will do that in a sec14:53
rm_youi'm on my n800 right now and working on like three things at once, was easier to just ask first :P sorry14:54
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AD-N770for the quick reference sheet14:54
rm_youwas hoping maybe he/she was here now :P if i was lucky14:54
lardmanah okay, register names look like they are mapped to the main processor14:54
lardmanSn, etc.14:54
AD-N770Sn for single14:55
AD-N770Dn for double14:55
AD-N770aliased together14:55
AD-N770and fpscr to configure/status14:56
lardmanI wonder if FADD requires a suffix of S or D14:56
lardmani.e. it isn't valid without it14:56
trevarthansparr: it shouldn't be writing to anything as root, unless you're running it as root, and we try not to do that from the installer. Why did you ask?14:56
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pupnikrm_you: has been inactive for a while14:57
AD-N770lardman, you are right14:59
AD-N770another perspective somtimes help14:59
lardmaneasy to spot with fresh eyes14:59
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AD-N770yes, I will play with it this evening14:59
lardmanI've done similar, spent ages with a typo right in front of me, etc.14:59
lardmancool, let us know how you get on14:59
AD-N770later I will comment it to you15:00
AD-N770I'm going to lunch now15:00
AD-N770the sample code in the manual confused me15:00
* lardman should really get back to writing a paper too15:00
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rm_youpupnik: ah :(15:00
eijkHi! I just reinstalled my 770 and am puzzled by one thing: Even though it's the same OS release, before the reflash, the contacts icon in the left column used to blink between dimmed and bright colours and stayed bright after a few seconds. No I have no blinking and no bright colours... Does this mean anything?15:02
eijkAddressbook and so on still seems to work...15:02
lardmandamn, Ti emailed me back to say that they won't release OMAP2420 technical manual to anyone but their largest customers, or you have to pay for it15:03
trevarthanDoes anyone know an easy why that I can post an online poll? I want to see what people think of the Volume/Seek control in Kagu.15:03
lardmantrevarthan: You could do one in the internettablettalk forums15:04
lardmanstart a new topic, choose poll, etc.15:04
trevarthanhow does that work?15:04
trevarthanWhat does clicking "poll" do?15:05
X-Fadelardman: How much do they want for it? :)15:06
lardmaniirc, it gives you 4 mutually exclusive options for people to click on15:06
lardmanX-Fade: No idea, the reply was pretty airy-fairy15:07
X-Fadelardman: Well, just ask them their price. That'll cause them a lot of work.15:07
lardman is the reply15:08
lardmangot my title wrong too, then tell me about the University programme, silly people :)15:09
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X-Fadelardman: Hmm yeah not very helpful..15:10
lardmanI think that's probably life, not very useful for hackers who hack in their own time without someone to buy them documentation, etc.15:11
X-FadeWell, if the price was reasonable.15:14
lardmanI don;t even know if there's anything useful in it. Anyone from Nokia care to comment on how interesting the manual is? :)15:14
trevarthansparr: throw in your 0.2 cents, man:
joneklardman: Quim Gil told me via email and at the Linuxtag taht Nokia is willing to support community efforts towards "better" Java support. Maybe this includes some pages from certain manuals ;-)!?15:16
lardmanjonek: Now that would be very interesing :) I also contacted ARM to ask them about the Jazelle manual and they said no.15:16
lardmanPerhaps I should go for some lessons in persuasion... :D15:17
gla55_is java in general on maemo in a state that jazelle acceleration is something thats a priority?15:19
lardmangla55_: Command line stuff works fine, I think the issue is with GUI bindings15:19
joneklardman: you sould definitely ask Quim Gil good question regarding Java if you have some.15:19
lardmangla55_: but I'm not that bothered with that, it just looked like an interesting problem to solve15:20
lardmanjonek: The problem is that, iirc, ARM want an NDA for the documentation, so I'd either need to sign one of those (=closed source) or Nokia would be breaking their one15:20
lardmanjonek: I'm not sure how far one can hint without breaking an NDA :)15:21
X-Fadelardman: Is this document of any help? Talks a bit about Jazelle..15:22
jonekgla55_: good question. I've only experience withe phoneME advanced (JavaME, CDC, Foundation Profile). I don't know if it would be easily compilable with Jazelle support if one would have the required know how, how to activate/integrate it.15:22
joneklardman: does NDA really imply closed source??15:23
lardmanX-Fade: Perhaps, there seem to be lots of oblique references to Jazelle in the ARM docs, I suppose one might be able to add all of these bits together and work out a bit more about how it works15:23
lardmanX-Fade: I'll have a read, thanks15:23
lardmanjonek: Presumably, as otherwise why have an NDA for the doc containing the information?15:24
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lardmanWhich makes me wonder, are there any Java apps that do use Jazelle?15:24
lardmanclosed source ones presumably15:24
lardmanJava VMs even15:24
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joneklardman: because the docs might contain information about other IP covered technologies beside Jazelle?15:25
lardmanjonek: Possibly, but Sun have also stated that they can't release any source for their Jazelle enabled JVM (partly answered my own question :) ) because of ARM15:26
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joneklardman: AFAIK a JavaVM is the place that I would try first for Jazelle integration15:26
lardmanany source/any source related to Jazelle15:26
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joneklardman: right - that's what I read about SUN's open source releases, too.15:27
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lardmani'd love to know how to correctly invoke BXJ, I wonder if Sun has released any binaries for ARM with Jazelle enabled...?15:28
X-Fadelardman: I seemed to have found a japanese doc about jazelle :)15:29
X-Fade[31:28] Jazelle ..0x1.BXJ ....PSR ..J ....15:29
X-Fade[27:24] ........15:29
X-Fade0x2.BX, BLX.., PSR..T.....PC15:29
lardmando you have an url?15:29
lardmanbring on babelfish!15:29
X-FadeAll dots are japanse signs :)15:29
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X-FadeI pasted from page 130 of 722.15:30
lardmanit's probably a translation of this:
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lardmanif so, it looks like it has the same kind of stuff as the manual for our processor:
lardmanlots of statements to look in the Jazelle VI technical reference manual. Great :(15:36
X-Fadelardman: I see references for jazelle and bzj in binutils?15:36
X-Fadebxj I mean.15:36
lardmanthe instruction is implemented and understood by gcc15:37
X-FadeYeah, but no further explanation :)15:37
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lardmanthe question is how to setup the registers, etc., to enable the branch to happen15:37
rm_youanyone know offhand the exact resolution to make desktop images for the n800?  800x480 is the whole screen...15:38
rm_youneed to figure out how many pixels exactly are taken up by the UI in each direction15:40
rm_youah ok so it uses the entire vertical res but reserves 80px for the sidebar?15:40
rm_youkk, thanks15:41
zuhYou'll want to have a full height image since the top corner is visible15:41
rm_youah yeah15:41
X-Fadelardman: This talks a bit about it too, but not very deep..15:41
lardmanI think that was in one of the emails15:41
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lardmanI made some comments about it in my last post to the maemo-devel list15:42
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X-FadeYeah, I guess you have seen this one too:;jsessionid=DWPKAHEW2IYQQQSNDLRCKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=1650320715:44
lardmanyes, thanks15:46
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X-FadeNobody here with a ieee account? :)15:46
Crofton|homedefine an ieee account15:47
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Crofton|homeX-Fade, remind me later, when I am at school and I can grab pdf15:50
X-FadeNot sure if it is interesting though :)15:50
jonekX-Fade: I have ieee access15:50
lardmanI should have it at uni, I may have to cut short my "working from home"15:52
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lardmanwhere does stmia store register contents to?15:56
jonekX-Fade: that paper describes an architecture "similar to ARM Jazelle"15:56
X-Fadejonek: Yeah, weird..15:57
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lardmanAnyone familiar with debug states on ARM processors?16:03
lardmanWhat does the code in page B-22 (268) of the ARM DDI 0222B document mean?16:04
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pupnikwhat is speed of dsp-memory?16:04
pupniksame as cpu-memory?16:05
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pupnikjust curious - if memory speed is fast, entire snes ppu could be done on dsp?16:05
lardmanpupnik: Take a look in the DSP gateway spec document16:08
lardmanthough I think that just gives the sizes16:09
pupnikin general what *can't* the dsp do?16:09
lardmanfloating point16:09
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lardmanthe DSP has DARAM, SRAM and SDRAM iirc16:11
lardmanthe DARAM is on the chip, so is presumably quite fast, but I don't really know16:12
rikhmm. how do i check what a package instaled?16:14
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pupnikdpkg --contents16:14
pupnikwell you need the .deb for that16:14
pupnikthere's probably a way to do what you want without having the original .deb16:15
pupniklardman: well these emulators really require perfect timing sync, so splitting into processes on different cpus is very tough - but there's a gp2x emu that is working on 2 cpus16:16
riki just installed becomeroot and i'm trying to work out how i work out what to run16:16
pupnikmight be fun to look into - but difficult stuff - i will just concentrate on learning to port the gp2x stuff to nokia16:16
lardmanit's a matter of synchronisation, assuming the hardware can process and have some time left over16:17
mgedminrik, pupnik: dpkg -L packagename lists all files that came from a package16:17
mgedminyou don't need to have the original .deb16:17
mgedminit finds the info from /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.list, IIRC16:17
pupnikrik i know what it's like to be new to something :) it can be hard to figure out how to phrase questions16:17
rikbecomroot's packaging list is empty16:20
lardmanhardware experts out there, what does LQFP stand for? BGA is ball gate array?16:22
pupnikrik - i think it doesn't install any programs - just does a patch during install16:22
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rikwhat does the patch do?16:23
mgedminrik: change /etc/sudoers, iirc16:24
_Monkeymgedmin: that doesn't look right16:24
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mgedminthere were two versions of becomeroot16:24
mgedmin0.1 allows you to use sudo su16:24
mgedmin0.2 allows you to use sudo gainroot16:24
mgedminI think the first one changed /etc/sudoers, while the second one changed /usr/sbin/gainroot16:24
mgedminyou can check the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/becomeroot.postinst16:25
rikaha. thanks16:25
rikokay. i have root. now... why did i want it?16:25
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mgedminso you could do EDITOR=vi visudo and let yourself use sudo on anything?16:26
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rikhm. that was fun. the n800 rebooted16:37
rikright. i need ncurses and libpcap debs for the n80016:37
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jonekhow is it possible that a disassembled (ARM) binary contains "undefined" instructions in it's text section?16:42
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sparrtrevarthan: i did run kagu as root.  and it seems to have written files to ~user as root16:49
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sparrheh, mini-patch16:52
sparr--- +++ globals.py16:52
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sparr- path_a = ['/media/mmc1','/media/mmc2','/media/mmc3','/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds','/Volumes/OSX/iTunes']16:52
sparr+ path_home_sounds = os.path.expanduser("~/MyDocs/.sounds")16:53
sparr+ path_a = ['/media/mmc1','/media/mmc2','/media/mmc3',path_home_sounds,'/Volumes/OSX/iTunes']16:53
trevarthansparr: put that in a pastebin at least16:54
trevarthantry pastebin.ca16:54
sparrthats a simple fix.  not perfect, because kagu is still going to die if root put a db in /media/mmc*16:54
trevarthansparr: don't run kagu as root.16:54
trevarthanwhy would you do that?16:54
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rikso.. i'm using vi. i'm in insert mode. i'm done typing. where the hell is the escape key in ossu advanced?16:55
k-s[WORK]rik: so sorry16:56
k-s[WORK]use emacs16:56
etrunkok-s[WORK]: build it for the n80016:56
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k-s[WORK]etrunko: there are already builds of emacs clones16:57
rikokay. how do i get out of vi to do so ?16:57
Ryback_etrunko: port gedit, will you? :-P16:57
lardmanrik: press escape16:57
k-s[WORK]rik: read the manual, press the first hardware key16:57
sparrtrevarthan: because i rarely ssh in as user16:57
disqsparr: ssh in as root, then do a "su user"16:58
sparrtrevarthan: nokia screwed up a lot of root/user separation.  dont follow their lead.16:58
sparrdisq: i rarely do anything as user over ssh16:58
disqi don't either. but you shouldn't be testing or using kagu as root16:58
rikaha. that sounded aniia as soon as you said it. my manual is at home however. yes. thanks for that. i can us vi now16:58
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disqif people start testing/using kagu as root, at some point we'll have bogus bug reports that don't really apply16:59
AD-N770kulve, lardman: for VFP17:00
sparri disagree.  i believe that is a bad assumption to make.17:00
sparrvery Windows ish17:00
trevarthansparr: please. I'm not going to add checks to kagu because you're running it as root.17:00
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AD-N770my assembly code compiles now17:00
trevarthanjust stop doing that.17:00
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lardmanAD-N770: Good to hear17:00
trevarthannormal users won't do it. I expect developers to be intelligent and know when they are or aren't root.17:00
sparrit starts with kagu (well, it started with nokia)...  what about when you write an editor or file manager?  something i really will need/want to run as root17:00
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sparrand accidentally reuse some code from kagu that makes bad root/user assumptions17:01
riksigh. and now i'm in package hell.17:01
trevarthansparr: no. you're completely wrong here. do *not* get in the habit of running anything but an editor as root.17:01
trevarthanit's a terrible idea.17:01
disqsparr: afaik, each and every app in the n800 desktop (except apt/dpkg, and that's invoked by application manager anyway) runs as user and not as root17:01
rikscrew it. i'll deal with this later.17:02
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trevarthansparr: In addition, you shouldn't be logging in as root via SSH. set a password for the default user and log in as user@n800.17:02
trevarthansparr: the linux way is that you NEVER use root unless you have to.17:02
trevarthanAnd you don't have to for kagu development. period. so stop.17:02
sparrthe linux way was predicated on having a hardware keyboard :-p17:03
sparrsudoing everything on the 770 is a bit less trivial than on a real computer17:03
sparrafk, shower17:03
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_Monkeyfbreader is a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker.
erstazijust had to grab the url from _Monkey17:10
_Monkeyi guess openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on.
_Monkeynano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh.
_Monkeyxterm is probably the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters.
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_Monkeybecomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] or for a more long winded method
erstazijust had to grab the url from _Monkey17:17
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sparr_Monkey: xterm is also for an alternate onscreen keyboard17:21
_Monkeyokay, sparr.17:21
_Monkeyrumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. or for an alternate onscreen keyboard17:21
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deverstazi: you have heard of /msg? ;-)17:27
erstazidev: yes, but I am filling _Monkey with ones it doesn't know17:28
erstazidev: is it disturbing your sleep/work?17:28
erstaziI am actually giving support someone over the phone17:28
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devno, only the quietness of the channel :-)17:29
_Monkeyiphome is a hildon homepage plugin that shows current IP and TX/RX bytes and errors. Version 0.2 supports cycling through interfaces by tapping the plugin display panel.
sparr_Monkey: tell erstazi about iphome17:30
sparrthat saves a lot of channel spam17:30
erstaziblah, I needed to do it quickly, sorry if I caused mental instability17:33
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sparryou can keep a query open and just "iphome?"17:35
erstazisparr: I know this, its just I needed a quick result and I thought 232 people were just lurking anyhow17:35
unique311so skype is screwed...17:36
unique311a virus maybe?17:36
unique311call feature is not working17:37
disqafaik they have an algorithmic fault in the login server/client/workflow/whatever17:38
unique311wonder if they will compensate those who use skype as primary home phone service17:38
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unique311must not be good for business at all17:38
unique311test call just went thru...17:41
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pupnikdang there are great photos on flickr18:00
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_Monkeyprivet, frosty18:29
kulveit's a bot..18:31
kulve_Monkey: are you a bot?18:31
_Monkeykulve: wish i knew18:31
zuh_Monkey: Are you a dolt?18:31
_Monkeyzuh: no idea18:31
_Monkeyi think kulve is the one that _monkey flings poo at18:31
_Monkeyyou are not comprehensible nor edible18:33
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frostyI have an OS2007HE/770/mplayer problem18:38
Luria_Monkey, are you sucking bananas for nickels again?18:38
_Monkeyluria: no idea18:38
frostyin that, I can't get mplayer to work on my 770 on OS2007HE18:38
Luria_Monkey, you were so high you don't remember, huh?18:39
_Monkeyi haven't a clue, luria18:39
erstazifrosty: what is the issue?18:39
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erstazifrosty: what errors do you receive or what is the response when you try to install mplayer?18:40
frostywell, to begin with, I just installed the latest mplayer, from the repos18:40
frostywhich looks like it was an n800 one18:40
frostythe gui would work, but nothing would open in it18:40
erstazifrosty: what would you try viewing through mplayer?18:40
frostyand when I tried running it from xterm, I got an.... illegal... can't remember :/18:41
frostyI got a segfault when I installed the latest 770 deb instead18:41
frostywith that, there's no menu entry for it, and it segfaults from the term18:41
erstazifrosty: ok... one question and this is out of curiosity, why did you install OS2007HE?18:42
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frostybecause a friend who's recently bought a 770 too told me to - and he was right in that it generally seems more polished and stable and things :)18:42
frostyand I like to experiment with things18:43
frostythere seem to be quite a nice lot of improvements over 200618:43
erstazifrosty: ok, just wondering, you could have dual-booted though, but anyhow, I know of two other people who installed OS2007HE, pupnik and someone else...18:44
erstazifrosty: the mplayer issue I am not too sure about, I would just try again and make sure its for OS200718:44
frostyI could have dual booted.... maybe I will at some point :)18:45
frostyiirc, mplayer worked on 2006 for me18:45
frostyi played an avi that i converted from a youtube video18:45
erstaziI am not to sure about that18:45
frostyi've searched the internettablettalk forums but I can't really find anything on the issue18:46
pdz-i have mplayer working on HE18:48
frostyoh :)18:48
pdz-one of the older n800 versions works18:48
frostydid you have to do anything to get it working?18:48
frostyah, right18:48
frostyany ideas which{18:48
pdz-before it was optimsed i guess18:49
pdz-sorry, no. don't have it here18:49
frostyokay - thanks :)18:49
frostydid you find this out yourself, or somewhere else? (just wondering if there's anywhere i can look for the info)18:50
pdz-i just read how it was being improved for the n800 hw so i went back to before those improvements went in18:50
frostyah :)18:56
pupnikis it can be?18:58
pupniki just like typing that18:59
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frostypupnik: is it right that you're using OS2007HE?19:01
pupniki was for a while, right now i don't have it on the 77019:02
pupnikstill have an image tho19:02
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frostydid you get mplayer working?19:04
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pupniki can't remember :/  i think the it2006 mplayer works19:05
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Sho_My god, I wish the damn App Manager would at least tell me what repos the refresh fails on ...19:09
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erstazihello aoirthoir3919:12
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aoirthoir39howdy erstazi!19:12
aoirthoir39i installed icebreaker and tuxpuck on my computer19:13
aoirthoir39ie my nokia19:13
erstaziare those games?19:13
aoirthoir39i dont know wtf icebreaker does19:14
aoirthoir39kinda dull games  but kinda fun19:14
aoirthoir39i want tux racer:)19:14
MikhoHas anyone used GtkNotebook? Why doesn't my tab bar scroll when I press the scroll arrows?19:14
erstaziMikho: is that a text editor?19:14
Mikhothe scroll button animates alright but the notebook data doesn't change19:14
erstaziI suggest maemopad (not maemopad+)19:15
Mikhoerstazi, it's a Gtk widget19:15
erstaziok nevermind then19:15
aoirthoir39whats taht old kinda widget from UNIX19:15
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aoirthoir39erstazi, thanks!19:18
Mikhois there something wrong with libglade created GtkNotebooks perhaps?19:21
riki'm home.19:22
riknow i can play with my n800 with real internet, and get stuff done.19:22
aoirthoir39muahahahaha! it works:)19:23
aoirthoir39im going to add it make it more19:23
erstaziaoirthoir39: heh19:23
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sbaturziowhy connecting the USB cable to a Debian Linux PC, only one SD card is visible by the PC?19:24
sbaturziois it the right behaviour?19:24
sbaturziofrom syslog I can see only /dev/sda1 is created19:25
aoirthoir39muahahaha! 480 minutes!19:25
aoirthoir39ok this isnt going to work so well to view least big ones19:26
aoirthoir39but i think i am going to write a nice little tarot website for it (well more oracle cards site) so that I can flip through the cards that come up19:26
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rikso, i have dropbear running. i wonder what's stopping me ssh'ing in.19:40
megabyte405rik: root rootme19:42
megabyte405restart first19:42
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pupnikroot, rootme do.  you know i root you.  i'll always be true.  so pleeeeeeease.... rootme do...19:47
* rik looks at OS version.19:50
rikso, uh, Tablet OS 2007 Version 2.2007.51-7... that's old, isn't it?19:50
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rikwill updating to 4.2007.26-8 trash all the data i've already got on there?19:52
* pupnik does not know19:52
pupnikoh that? yes19:53
pupnikexcept that you should put your data on sd19:53
pupnikyou can use backup utility to backup MyDocs and settings19:54
riki think i'll do that.19:54
riknot that i've done much, just install a few apps, trying to get stuff working.19:54
pupniki hope it has been fun so far :)19:55
aoirthoir39i set mine to not time out for 7800 minutes or something19:55
pupnikbeing new to an OS can be stressful19:55
aoirthoir39if you move your pointer up and down on the slider for the manual dimming..its pretty neat lookin19:56
rikwell, i know what i'm trying to do, but it's the finding of repositories that everyone else knows about that i haven't done yet.19:56
rikkismet is what i want to get working.19:56
rikit seems to be more stable on latest version, aparently.19:56
aoirthoir39i played kismet when I was a kid19:56
aoirthoir39it is a game like yatzee..what does your kismet do rik ?19:56
rikwireless  network security analysis stuff19:57
ajturnerby the way, this is a good overview of setting up the Usual stuff (rootme, repos, apps) after reflashing :
ajturnersomeone's personal notes, but good in general19:58
aoirthoir39ah cool19:59
aoirthoir39thanks ajturner19:59
mgedmin ajturner: I'm glad you like it20:00
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ajturnerhey mgedmin- indeed, got me root again after reflashing ;)20:01
ajturnerand now makes sense that it's Mg Nokia 800 and not "My Nokia..."20:01
ajturnerI think more little tutorials/listings like this would be really useful20:02
ajturnerfor getting new people up to speed, reminding me if I didn't write it down, and also sharing cool tips and apps w/ one another20:02
aoirthoir39mgedmin, you shouldl check out the site that ajturner is telling us about..its a great site!20:02
aoirthoir39the gal that wrote it is frickin awesome20:03
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qgilajturner: what site is that?20:06
MikhoIs there anyone here who's seen GtkNotebook scroll arrows work properly?20:06
pupnik /lastlog mgedmin20:07
pupnikwhat site?20:07
_Monkeyi guess site is a site that sells one item per day until it is sold out. usually at ridiculously low prices20:07
qgilajturner: ah yes, this is a good one20:08
mgedminqgil: thanks20:08
rikif there a reason to use dropbear instead of openssh or vice versa?@20:08
qgilmgedmin: oh, the master is also here - thanks to you  :)20:08
mgedminaoirthoir39: I know, I wrote it (even though I'm a guy and not a gal)20:08
mgedminrik: I use openssh because I'm familiar with it20:08
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mgedminrik: I've heard dropbear is smaller/needs less resources20:09
qgiltimeless: you around?20:09
aoirthoir39mgedmin, ah you wrote it!20:09
aoirthoir39mgedmin, that's ok I use terms guy and gal, dude, he/she etc interchangeably...when the gender of the person is not known20:09
pupnikoh mg.pov.lt20:10
mgedminno problem, other than I thought you were referring to some other site :)20:10
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aoirthoir39no same site, its pretty good g20:14
aoirthoir39(another reason I sometimes say G..folks think I mean gangsta but I mean gal/guy...since g can be both)20:14
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aoirthoir39brb got to loo20:17
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sp3000_Monkey: forget site20:20
_Monkeysp3000: I forgot site20:20
lnx^is it impossible to run skype on the n700?20:21
qgilany fast feedback about ?20:21
lnx^n770 even20:23
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mgedminqgil: I like it a lot20:24
qgilmgedmin: cool20:24
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lnx^could i try the os2007 hacker edition?20:25
sp3000qgil: themes is a bit hidden under desktop, but given useful descriptions or a slightly deep listing that could work20:26
sp3000I'm not sure what desktop / user interaction is for20:27
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qgilsp3000: yeah, this Desktop is a bit weak20:27
sp3000I'd look for imageviewer under apps20:27
sp3000I think multimedia as it is now should merge with apps20:28
qgilwhat happens is that "Hildon" makes more sense but from a user point of view this tells nothing20:28
qgilwhat we are planning to do do is split Hildon between components at "desktop" and "system software"20:29
sp3000desktop / home and desktop / <eachapplet> seems fine20:29
qgildesktop / UI tries to be about those more abstract actions i.e. behavior of windows, scroll bars, etc20:29
qgilimageviewer yes, makes sense - /me likes20:30
sp3000ok so "desktop" is a bit of "desktop" and a bit of "widgetry"20:31
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qgilsp3000: imageviewer now is under apps - another planned improvement is to have an alias userid for each component i.e. bluetooth@maemo, wlan@maemo...20:33
qgilthis will allow anybody to wath those users, which in bugzilla language means to receive notification of anything happening in a whole component20:34
sp3000yeah, that's useful20:35
sp3000not that I've been known to watch components on bmo, but so I hear20:35
* sp3000 slaps maemo and mozilla for both starting with m20:35
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sp3000it makes abbreviating inconvenient :)20:36
qgilsomeone wrote "meamo" the other day in maemo-users - that was funny from a Spanish speaker POV20:36
qgilme amo = I love myself (interpret that yourself) + meamos = we piss (but in Andalusian accent it's like "meamo"20:37
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qgilsp3000: so the first round of feedback tries to get consensus from the products20:39
qgilsp3000: in the meantime we have to add all the missing components20:39
sp3000I'm not sure about file manager20:42
erstaziqgil: would one thinking of scratchboxing PocketSphinx be thought of being crazy and doing such being a waste of time?20:42
sp3000I mean it contains the word manager but really, it's a document browser20:42
sp3000I think I'd like it in apps20:42
qgilsp3000: do you think that Explorer (or whoever it's called now in Windows) or Nautilus users look at these apps like "applications"?20:43
qgilerstazi: I'm surrounded by crazy people - I don't distinguish them from the normal anymore20:44
sp3000desktop environment utilities is kinda the wording I'd use, given a vacuum20:44
erstaziqgil: I think tonight that I will do some more scratchboxing20:44
erstaziwould you sp3000 and qgil would like to test it if I get it working?20:45
sp3000but I certainly don't think of organizing files as system management20:45
mgedminqgil: I think it is plausible to expect that everything you launch from the applications menu has bugs under "applications"20:45
qgilmgedmin: the problem of tiying bugzilla structure to UI structure is that one day comes the UI team and changes the structure in the device and... what?20:46
mgedminlots of fun :)20:47
qgilmgedmin: mysefl was a defender of this principle until I got this convincing argument20:47
sp3000presumably the ui org has roots that can be retraced to generate bug org :)20:47
sp3000to some extent anyhow20:48
qgilthese are the bugs for "file manager" in the n800 now20:48
qgilthey are few and in fact most would belong to other components20:48
qgilso perhaps it's not that big issue to start with file manager there20:48
qgiland then move the component to a different product is doable - if needed20:49
sp3000that's ok, people whose backends' bugs tend to manifest in filemanager can watch that and triage to where-ever they like20:49
qgilsp3000: but then one day we have n devices that follow x different UI structures. what we do then?  ;)20:49
mgedminhire a student to review new bug reports and assign them to proper components?20:50
sp3000well, the chance of one or the other matching is nonzero regardless of whether we make one match ;)20:50
sp3000so avoiding the same structure may not be feasible :P20:51
sp3000anyhow, file organizing doesn't sound system managementey to me, nor does handwriting really20:51
qgilanyway, it is also proven that the first product in the list tends to get most of the unclear bugs - we were lucky having "A-pplications", which is not a bad default20:52
sp3000tools could be anything though20:52
sp3000utilities would seem to apply to fm, hwr, cpl, appman, b/r pretty nicely20:52
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sp3000of course you get a certain pull from some of the components under apps in that case, it's kinda hard to pind everything in one or the other20:53
infobotsp3000 meant: of course you get a certain pull from some of the components under apps in that case, it's kinda hard to pin everything in one or the other20:53
* sp3000 slaps infobot20:53
* mgedmin never quite gets the difference between "tools" and "utilities"20:53
sp3000infobot: you're also an anti-substitution zealot20:54
qgilmgedmin: you are not alone20:54
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sp3000tools sounds like something that would eat up dev tools so that's kinda out in my mind20:54
qgilalright, need to go now for a while but please leave feedback here or in the wiki or... - thanks so much!20:55
qgili will integrate the saucy changes20:55
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lardmankulve: You about?21:03
lardmankulve: What do you reckon about using mmap rather than bulk transfer. Thinking about it, I wonder if that would tread on the toes (and data) of any other tasks that might be running21:04
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trevarthan milhouse: you here?21:24
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_Monkeybonjour, Silent1mark21:28
Silent1markWhat's up?21:28
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Silent1markHas any one tried to get dosbox running on the 770/800 ?21:29
qgilI'm surprised by the algorythm, it's quite clever even when people is not favoriting much21:30
Silent1markpupnik: Oh wow thanks. This is cool. Now if my 770 hadn't WSoD last night I'd really be thrilled!21:32
pupnikit's pretty slow21:33
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Silent1markAwww man, any idea the cause of the slowness?21:36
pupniki don't know how to answer that21:41
pupnikif you're asking how much it could be optimized by me, maybe 4% or so21:41
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r3pekheys guys!21:41
r3pekis there a package that provides xauth?21:42
pupniki've also seen a couple of performance tweaks that degrade compatibility21:42
pupnikxbase-clients, xrsh, xutils, xvfb21:42
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erstaziSilent1mark: if you are trying to run 6 apps, yes, you will notice slowness21:56
Silent1markerstazi: I was talking about the performance on only dosbox.21:58
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pupniki think he meant dosbox.  we might someday get a JIT x86-ARM dynamic recompiler for it21:58
erstaziSilent1mark: ah ok, sorry, just thought you were a very fresh new user (: never saw your nick in here before and if I had, I just have a poor memory of nicks on irc21:59
Silent1markerstazi: No harm done, I've never been in here before. I came in last night to cinfirm a WSOD on my 770.21:59
erstaziso you are trying to run dosbox on your 770?22:05
erstazithat actually sounds interesting22:05
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Silent1markI want to play Master of Magic on it.22:07
Silent1markWell I have to get a new one first.22:08
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erstaziSilent1mark: have you tried taking the source and compiling it in scratchbox?22:10
erstaziSilent1mark: I might put this on my todo list if you haven't attempted it yet22:11
Silent1markerstazi: Knock yourself out.  I don't have a working 770 at the moment.22:12
erstaziSilent1mark: software or hardware issue with the 770?22:12
Silent1markerstazi: White Screen of Death.22:13
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Phil770_can anyone give me a hint as to what I might use as a map repository for Maemo Mapper ?22:13
svugoogle maps?22:13
Phil770_does that work ?22:14
MoRpHeUzPhil770_: sure22:15
pupnikerstazi: for emulators and games, check
pupnikerstazi: if you want to work on dosbox, let me know and i'll send you the tarball of current version22:16
qgilPhil770_: if you have latest version the help is quite self explanatory, otherwise
erstazipupnik: I just grabbed the latest version22:17
pupniksee if you can get 0.71 to run faster than 0.6522:17
Phil770_the help option does nothing...doesn't even tell me what version I'm running22:18
qgilPhil770_: there is a kind of help dialog that appears as soon as you install the last version22:19
qgila wizard22:19
Phil770_ah, I must have accidentally skipped it. Any idea how to re-run it ?22:20
qgilPhil770_: no idea - reinstalling?22:20
Phil770_doh !22:20
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MoRpHeUzPhil770_: why can't you run the same way you did at the first time ? I didnt understand your question...22:22
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zeenixdo anyone know/remember that x app that can fetch info (e.g size, position etc) about an x window?22:23
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zeenixpupnik: thanks22:24
Phil770_MoRpHeUz: I don't get any wizard appearing when I run it now.22:25
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zeenixpupnik: the only thing i always do remember about it is that it should be easy to guess :)22:25
Phil770_I think I might not be running the latest version anyway, there are no updates available in the repositories I am using however that forum thread implies there are some features which I do not appear to have22:25
Phil770_I probably need to add a new repository and update22:26
pupnikzeenix: i had forgotten it too, but x<tab><tab> found it22:26
MoRpHeUzPhil770_: try getting it from
Phil770_heh, unfortuantely my 770 can't handle .deb files.22:27
qgilfrom here you can follow the homepage, their downloads repository22:27
qgilwell, it can22:27
Phil770_pretty silly that. But Opera has no idea what to launch to deal with them22:27
Phil770_I know, I could save it and then use the terminal22:28
Phil770_shame it has to come to that though...22:28
qgilno, wait - if you have problems with the install file then go and pick the .deb offered in their downloads page22:28
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qgilPhil770_: do you have the last IT OS 2006?22:29
Phil770_yes. I had this discussion with someone on here before, if you just click a link in the browser to a .deb file it doesn't seem to know what to do with it.22:30
*** krau has quit IRC22:30's possible the webserver was just sending back a dodgy MIME type. That was UKMP on the maemo garage site though.22:30
qgilPhil770_: save deb file and then open it from local then22:31
MoRpHeUzPhil770_: doesnt it ask to save or open the .deb ?22:31
qgilMoRpHeUz: can b, bug on mimetype in as far as i remember22:31
MoRpHeUzPhil770_: you just need to save and then open it using File manager..22:31
MoRpHeUzqgil: hhmm....22:31
MoRpHeUzPhil770_: and I assume that the .install is not working properly for you right ?22:31
qgilPhil770_: you can follow the steps in their site -
qgil       My 2006-OS-compatible software (including Maemo Mapper) is now       available in the Maemo Garage Application Catalog.  Add this catalog       to your Application Manager to gain immediate access to Maemo Mapper       downloads and updates:          Web location: Distribution: 2.0 Components: free22:33
Phil770_hmm, I was following the instructions on that page but they were deliberately vague about repository urls. Also, on that page they list the repository to use however that repository appears to only have version 1.3.5 (Which is what I am now running) and yet the latest version according to Maemo garage is 1.4.722:39
disqi got some flash-wearout concerns regarding maemoscrobbler. looking for ideas to improve22:40
disqcurrently there's a sqlite3 db in ~/, written on every track played, updated on every submit. i want to move it to /tmp or to use temp tables but keep the info between reboots22:41
qgilPhil770_: there is 1.4.7-2 there22:41
qgilthe infor about the repository is not vague at all, see the lines below22:41
pupnikwouldn't it make sense for flash memory devices to keep track of number of writes and allow the OS to monitor age?22:42
Phil770_what does the 2.2 in the url imply ?22:42
qgilPhil770_: Web location: Distribution: 2.0 Components: free22:42
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qgilPhil770_: 2.2 = latest official it os 2006 for 77022:42
Phil770_yep, 1.4.7-2 is in 2.2 but 2.0 only has as far as 1.3.522:44
qgilPhil770_: then I guess in Distribution you need to put 2.222:44
Phil770_is this a bit like sarge versus woody ?22:44
Phil770_will having various different 'repositories' defined with different distributions mess things up ?22:46
Phil770_ie. mixinf 2.0, mistral, 2.2 etc ?22:46
qgilPhil770_: to tell you the truth I have no idea22:47
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r3pekpupnik: none of the packages you said exist :(22:55
r3pekat least on the repositories i have :S22:55
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pupniki don't know if xauth makes sense on the tablet22:56
soolekmaemo mapper 1.4.7-2 for it2006 n77022:56
soolekI got this particular one on mine n77022:56
r3pekpupnik: well... it makes since i want to X forward stuff from the tablet...22:57
r3pekand to use ssh x forwarding i need xauth22:57
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qgilPhil770_: my last tip to you tonight - - "Tip: once you start maemo-mapper, click the “Download…” button in the “Repository Manager” and it’ll download details for the 5 most useful map repositories, including Google and Virtual Earth."22:58
soolekyep that's correct22:59
soolekih has all the map repos included in 1.4.722:59
qgilnow time to switch off - good night!22:59
soolekjust need to click on download22:59
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pupnikr3pek: use ssh forwarding23:00
r3pekpupnik: that's what i'm trying to... bu i need xauth on the tablet for it to work23:01
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soolekPhil770_ 2.2 is gregale and thats the one I advise to use in repository.maemo.org23:01
soolekif you want i can give you my sources.list23:01
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Phil770_soolek: that might be useful actually23:07
Phil770_I have no idea what are 'good' repositories23:07
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Phil770_a nice wide range of useful stuff that's not so new it doesn't work yet...but still nice and up-to-date....would be awesome.23:07
pupniki have mixed mistral and gregale repos23:08
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pupnikr3pek: if you figure it out, that might be a good page for the wiki23:11
pupnikthat's all i found and it just mentions ssh -x23:12
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Veggenpeople - when screenblank-timers trigger, network connection gets flaky. often stays flaky when woken up, but disconnecting/connecting helps...23:22
Veggencan i prevent that?23:22
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Veggenright now, its annoying since my n800 is my only working home computer - unless i put keyboard/screen on the server.23:24
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erstazior Phil770_: you could use mine:
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erstazisoolek: have you seen mine?
pupnikVeggen: you have n800?23:44
_Monkeyacmonitor is a daemon that runs in the background and monitors the power connector status.  It remembers and sets different screen brightness and dimming/blanking timeout settings for the plugged-in and battery operation state.  More information and downloads at
pupnikavmonitor for 800 also helps keep network alive while plugged-in23:45
pupnikbut not in battery mode afaik23:45
pupnikty for the list erstazi23:45
soolekerstazi i'm just lookin' the thing is that mine use gregale instead of mistral so there're more updated version of the software for repository.maemo.org23:45
erstazisoolek: thats a simple switch to gregale from mistral on the ones that are updated23:46
soolekI know :-)23:46
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Veggeni usually stay plugged in when using it heavvily23:46
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Veggenhigh inactive_wlan_sleep_timeout is the trick?23:48
pupnikdon't remember23:52
Veggenok, i'll experiment a bit23:53
pupniki keep a ping running from the pc23:54
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Veggenmmm, done that trick myself, but wondered if there is a better way23:57
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derfI thought you needed the ping running on the device.23:58
Silent1markDoes any one own a DS and Brainage?23:59
Silent1markI just foudn an eat hack for it.23:59
Silent1markWell nto realyl a hack23:59

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