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| trevarth1n | sparrw: actually, the [: ==: thing is an ash syntax error. | 00:02 |
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| sparrw | orly | 00:02 |
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| sparrw | very good to know | 00:02 |
| sparrw | it happens when kagu[-scanner] is run alone, too | 00:03 |
| sparrw | without the postinst script involved | 00:03 |
| sparrw | tracking it down could prove fun, i couldnt find that string anywhere i thought to look | 00:03 |
| trevarthan | ok. let me check something | 00:03 |
| trevarthan | I don't own a 770, so debugging is difficult, but I'll see what I can do. | 00:03 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I think this is the problem: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/bin/kagu-scanner | 00:04 |
| sparrw | lets find out :) | 00:05 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: can you edit /usr/bin/kagu-scanner and add an 'x' before each variable in that file in the if statement, like this? "x$?" == "x20" | 00:06 |
| sparrw | i commented out the check | 00:06 |
| sparrw | and now it installs and scans just fine | 00:06 |
| sparrw | same problem in /usr/bin/kagu | 00:06 |
| trevarthan | don't comment it out. | 00:07 |
| trevarthan | change it as I suggested. | 00:07 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: that doesn't look right | 00:07 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I'm getting my info from here: http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2006-April/020783.html | 00:07 |
| * trevarthan spanks _Monkey | 00:07 | |
| sparrw | adding x's didnt help | 00:08 |
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| trevarthan | sparrw: change it to this: "x$?" = "x20" | 00:09 |
| _Monkey | trevarthan: that doesn't look right | 00:09 |
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| trevarthan | just one = sign | 00:09 |
| Mikho | No matter what I do, no matter what signals I disable, the button over which I lift the stylus always activates | 00:10 |
| sparrw | hey, kagu is running | 00:10 |
| sparrw | huzzah | 00:10 |
| sparrw | now ill try without the x's | 00:10 |
| trevarthan | no, leave em | 00:10 |
| trevarthan | they're fine | 00:10 |
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| trevarthan | I'll commit the fixes and get disq to roll a release when he gets a chance. | 00:11 |
| sparrw | is kagu supposed to be mostly nonfunctional if i have no media? | 00:11 |
| sparrw | all ive got is the repeat button (which i can toggle), and exit | 00:12 |
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| trevarthan | sparrw: yeah. no media, nothing to do | 00:15 |
| sparrw | :( | 00:15 |
| trevarthan | :) what were you expecting? | 00:15 |
| sparrw | even an icon to indicate that would be handy | 00:15 |
| sparrw | i dunno, a bunch of buttons i cant use :) | 00:15 |
| sparrw | an empty file browser | 00:15 |
| sparrw | something | 00:15 |
| _Monkey | i guess something is wrong with the compilation | 00:15 |
| sparrw | _Monkey: forget something | 00:15 |
| _Monkey | sparrw: I forgot something | 00:15 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, we've got a ticket for that. "No Media Found" | 00:15 |
| sparrw | sure, that works | 00:16 |
| trevarthan | Here's the SVN fix for that 770 bug: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/411 | 00:16 |
| trevarthan | I'm not sure when we'll roll another release. Might wait until Sunday. We don't have that many 770 users. | 00:16 |
| sparrw | i like that svn/diff browser | 00:17 |
| trevarthan | Trac? Yeah. It's the reason why I love SVN. | 00:17 |
| sparrw | how does kagu find album covers? | 00:17 |
| sparrw | i mean, how does it know the name of the album? | 00:17 |
| timelyx | trevarthan: so, how different was the syntax sp3000 gave you from the one you contrived based on my info? | 00:18 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: ID3 tags | 00:18 |
| sparrw | gotcha | 00:18 |
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| trevarthan | timelyx: well, the keys are completely different. | 00:19 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: We don't support non ID3 media yet. We've got a ticket for that too. | 00:19 |
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| sparrw | http://rafb.net/p/Hb9Tjj29.txt | 00:19 |
| sparrw | now it crashes | 00:19 |
| trevarthan | timelyx: I don't have access to any code, header files, or anything for dsme, so I can't guess, you know? | 00:20 |
| * timelyx nods | 00:20 | |
| timelyx | can you just pastebin the two commands you tried so i can stare at them? | 00:20 |
| timelyx | i don't have access atm either :) | 00:20 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: looks like you don't have some of the dbus stuff we use. | 00:20 |
| sparrw | very possible | 00:21 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I don't think we've tested for the 770 in a release or two. Looks like we've added some incompatible things. | 00:21 |
| sparrw | :( | 00:21 |
| sparrw | think 1.03 would work for me? | 00:21 |
| disq | trevarthan: how about TypeError: Invalid rectstyle argument? i think that's the problem | 00:22 |
| disq | oh, hi. | 00:22 |
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| trevarthan | disq: hey. :) | 00:23 |
| sparrw | heh, NOW he shows :) | 00:24 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: did kagu-scanner run successfully? | 00:24 |
| sparrw | yes | 00:25 |
| sparrw | odd that kagu tries to import cdrom and joystick, are those used on other platforms? | 00:25 |
| sparrw | im trying 1.0.4 now | 00:26 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: it doesn't try to import them. pymaemo's pygame implementation does that. It's odd that *it* tries to import them. | 00:26 |
| sparrw | 1.0.4 works for me | 00:26 |
| trevarthan | well, I guess we do try to import them | 00:26 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: really? | 00:26 |
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| sparrw | well, with the one exception that kagu-scanner doesnt launch kagu like it should/claimsto... but it otherwise runs great | 00:27 |
| sparrw | grabbed an album cover, now i can listen | 00:27 |
| sparrw | should it support ogg? with mogg installed? | 00:27 |
| trevarthan | no. not implemented. | 00:27 |
| trevarthan | wanna add it? | 00:27 |
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| sparrw | whats there to add? with mogg osso can play them, no? | 00:28 |
| sparrw | also, quirk... ~100x100 pixel black box in the bottom right corner | 00:29 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: scanner support. | 00:29 |
| trevarthan | oggs don't have ID3s. how does that work? (I don't know) | 00:29 |
| sparrw | they have their own tag system... maybe ill submit a patch | 00:29 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: Also, mplayer.py needs to be modified to support ogg. | 00:29 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I'd love you forever if you did. :) | 00:30 |
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| trevarthan | alright. gotta commute home. back on later tonight. laters peeps. | 00:31 |
| disq | ttyl | 00:31 |
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| Mikho | Ok, maybe an easier question... how do I get rid of focus from GtkWidgets? | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | new version of freesci sierra game interpreter with improved (non-glitchy) sound support coming! http://pupnik.de/Freesci_maemo_xkbd.png | 00:53 |
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| sparrw | no sparr in here worries me | 01:06 |
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| sparrw | my box at home has suffered some catastrophy | 01:06 |
| sparrw | e | 01:06 |
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| sparr | hola | 01:39 |
| Nermal | lo :) | 01:39 |
| Andy80 | "hola" too, from Barcelona ;) | 01:42 |
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| sparr | disq / trevarthan: how does kagu 'play' songs? | 01:43 |
| sparr | does it launch the osso media stuff, or send dbus messages, or what? | 01:43 |
| disq | sparr: osso player plays via dbus messages (sends dbus messages to osso-media-server and tracks status) | 01:44 |
| sparr | how different is 1.0.5 from 1.0.4? | 01:46 |
| sparr | since i cant use 1.0.5, any patches i make will be against 1.0.4 | 01:46 |
| sparr | completely unrelated | 01:47 |
| sparr | ssh root@192.168.0.8 | 01:47 |
| sparr | root@192.168.0.8's password: | 01:47 |
| sparr | stdin: is not a tty | 01:47 |
| sparr | wtf? | 01:47 |
| disq | 1.0.5 is in fact all the changes in trunk minus the enqueue file in playlist support | 01:47 |
| sparr | are the changes severe enough that my patches against 1.0.4 would be unusable? | 01:48 |
| disq | some scrollwidget fixes and postinst script fixes | 01:48 |
| disq | i can't tell without knowing what you've been working on | 01:48 |
| sparr | nothing, yet | 01:48 |
| disq | i suggest you install svn and work on the latest trunk? why not do that? | 01:49 |
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| sparr | disq: because i cant run it? | 02:15 |
| sparr | well, i assume i cant, since i cant run 1.0.5 | 02:16 |
| disq | go ahead use 1.0.4 we'll sort it out later | 02:16 |
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| straind` | sparr: I was getting "stdin: is not a tty" too and I just reconnected and it went away. | 02:55 |
| sparr | ditto | 02:56 |
| straind` | And by "went away" I mean it came back a few times. :) | 02:56 |
| straind` | I blame it on kagu. | 02:56 |
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| pupnik | does the arm926 always run at 250mhz? i am charging now - can i monitor any power saving state in /proc? | 03:23 |
| sparr | uhm | 03:27 |
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| sparr | pupnik: very good question. low cpu speed in 'sleep' mode is very nice. there are gp2x projects regarding that | 03:31 |
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| sparr | mogg + 1 line change to kagu-scanner.py == ogg working fine in kagu | 03:33 |
| sparr | disq: ^^ | 03:33 |
| sparr | mutagen already supports pulling tags from ogg | 03:33 |
| sparr | this is the sort of 'Just Works' that good library design results in :) | 03:33 |
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| sparr | disq: you should put something on your garage page pointing to the guardini site... two bug/patch/issue/ticket trackers is weird | 03:38 |
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| sparr | then again, that would be premature if theres no way to make new accounts on the Trac server | 03:42 |
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| sparr | trevarthan | 03:46 |
| _Monkey | i guess trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom. | 03:46 |
| sparr | _Monkey: forget trevarthan | 03:46 |
| _Monkey | sparr: I forgot trevarthan | 03:46 |
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| saaib | is anyone aware of the syntax error on the maemo.org main web site? | 03:56 |
| saaib | can't load the page | 03:57 |
| saaib | ah.. working now | 03:57 |
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| pupnik | new excellent port for nokia tablets: Kobo Deluxe: kobodeluxe_0.4pre10-5_armel.deb | 04:26 |
| pupnik | three new builds today :P | 04:27 |
| DaniloCesar | pupnik, what is kobo? | 04:28 |
| DaniloCesar | Someone here knows how to open the virtual keyboard under python (pygame) | 04:29 |
| pupnik | _Monkey, kobo is currently called Kobo Deluxe - an enhanced version of Akira Higuchi's game XKobo - a simple yet addictive space shoot-em-up/puzzle game - homepage: http://www.olofson.net/kobodl and http://pupnik.de/kobodl.html for the nokia version | 04:30 |
| _Monkey | OK, pupnik. | 04:30 |
| DaniloCesar | _Monkey, kobo | 04:31 |
| _Monkey | well, kobo is currently called Kobo Deluxe - an enhanced version of Akira Higuchi's game XKobo - a simple yet addictive space shoot-em-up/puzzle game - homepage: http://www.olofson.net/kobodl and http://pupnik.de/kobodl.html for the nokia version | 04:31 |
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| pupnik | "what is it that you want?" | 05:01 |
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| pupnik | "what do we want? we wanna be free. We wanna be free to GO where we wanna go and DO what we wanna do. We wanna RIDE our MACHINES without being hassled by the man. And we wanna party." | 05:02 |
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| scottj | I've heard mention of IT2007 hacker edition, but it's all months old and I haven't seen where you download it or if it's still updated. Anyone know? | 05:20 |
| pupnik | new version expected soon | 05:20 |
| pupnik | itt | 05:21 |
| pupnik | search internettablettalk forums for it2007he | 05:21 |
| solmumaha | only few weeks away ;) | 05:21 |
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| scottj | pupnik: is the new version going to fix the video playing problems everyone seems to have? (video and audio out of sync, I've heard a number of people mention it) | 05:32 |
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| Luria | hey all | 05:38 |
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| Luria | anyone here a python programmer? | 05:39 |
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| saaib | kind of | 05:58 |
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| trevarthan | DaniloCesar: I'm wondering the same thing. | 06:12 |
| trevarthan | sparr: you got ogg working in Kagu? | 06:14 |
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| BigMac | Hey, anyone here using pidgin on OS 2006? | 06:44 |
| BigMac | I just got my 770, used this guide: http://dragon-gaming.com/blog/?p=11#more-11 , but when I try to refresh the package list I get the error 'Unable to refresh list.Last refreshed list is shown.'. What is going wrong/how can I get pidgin working | 06:46 |
| BigMac | the ability to talk to my aim/msn friends was the selling point for me, and now it isn't working | 06:46 |
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| solmumaha | BigMac: check the log and see what repository is giving you problems | 06:57 |
| solmumaha | then check your spelling | 06:57 |
| BigMac | solmumaha: Where is the log? | 06:57 |
| solmumaha | check package manager menus | 06:58 |
| solmumaha | it's there somewhere | 06:58 |
| BigMac | I found it, now I just have to upload it somewhere | 07:02 |
| solmumaha | it should tell you what repo is causing problems | 07:03 |
| solmumaha | then check you have typed that repository correctly in package manager | 07:04 |
| BigMac | rafb.net/p/r1y52m32.html | 07:04 |
| solmumaha | hmm, can you surf the net with it? :) | 07:05 |
| solmumaha | looks like a dns-problem to me | 07:06 |
| BigMac | Yes I can surf fine | 07:07 |
| solmumaha | well try to remove http://idefix.go-nix.ca/ from the list | 07:12 |
| solmumaha | path seems to be wrong | 07:12 |
| solmumaha | then try updating lists again | 07:12 |
| BigMac | ok | 07:18 |
| solmumaha | you might want to try this page too: http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en | 07:19 |
| solmumaha | install all repositories for 770 | 07:19 |
| solmumaha | there's also a repository for pidgin | 07:20 |
| BigMac | that didn't solve it | 07:20 |
| solmumaha | add those and try to install pidgin via package manager | 07:20 |
| solmumaha | well just remove the repositories you added | 07:20 |
| solmumaha | and try to refresh after that | 07:20 |
| solmumaha | and then go through that page | 07:21 |
| solmumaha | but it still seemed like a dns-problem to me | 07:21 |
| BigMac | Ok, and do I actually put the | or not? | 07:21 |
| solmumaha | which is weird if you can surf with it | 07:21 |
| solmumaha | no, just click on the link with opera, it will install repositories automatically | 07:22 |
| BigMac | oh ok, and how do I click links on the 770, because the only way I have found is hit the link like ten times till an orange box shows up, then like 4 more after that | 07:23 |
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| solmumaha | hmm, sounds bad | 07:27 |
| BigMac | its only some links | 07:28 |
| BigMac | these work fine | 07:28 |
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| solmumaha | well if your nokia is under a heavy load, it's very unresponsive | 07:28 |
| solmumaha | you could try installing minimo too, works better with certain pages than opera | 07:29 |
| BigMac | Well, which do you prefer? And will I still be able to use that globe to open minimo? | 07:30 |
| BigMac | I have one more problem after we fix this | 07:31 |
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| solmumaha | minimo installs its own icon to the menu, globe still starts opera | 07:34 |
| BigMac | Ok, and which do you prefer? | 07:34 |
| BigMac | I use swiftweasel on my box, so I am mozilla slanted, but opera is working finr | 07:35 |
| BigMac | fine | 07:35 |
| Abulafia | are people still using minimo? | 07:35 |
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| BigMac | Is it bad? | 07:36 |
| derf | There's a gecko back-end for the Nokia browser now. | 07:36 |
| solmumaha | on 770? | 07:37 |
| BigMac | derf:does it come preinstalled, or how do i update to the newer one? | 07:37 |
| derf | Oh, 770? I dunno. | 07:37 |
| derf | Maybe not. | 07:37 |
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| solmumaha | minimo works fine too, it's a good backup if opera fails | 07:37 |
| Abulafia | grrr | 07:38 |
| derf | Isn't it all open source, though? | 07:38 |
| derf | You'd think it could be ported. | 07:38 |
| BigMac | Ok, my other problem was does anyone know how to get the kinetic scrolling and the better touchpad installed on the 770? | 07:38 |
| rwhitby | kinetic scrolling? (other than on the single kagu application) | 07:39 |
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| BigMac | I saw a video of it on youtube | 07:40 |
| BigMac | it was supposed to be a python script that allows scrolling similar to the iphone | 07:41 |
| rwhitby | yeah, it's that one application, not a general kinetic scrolling capability for all applications. | 07:41 |
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| BigMac | OH, that would be neat though | 07:42 |
| BigMac | Can canola stream music from my linux computer in some way? | 07:45 |
| BigMac | solmumaha: There is no pidgin | 07:46 |
| BigMac | the pidgin repo is for the n800 | 07:46 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 07:47 |
| BigMac | Eh, it isn't worth it, I will just install gaim | 07:49 |
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| Luria | hmpf | 08:06 |
| Luria | so i gave up on open wifi spots. or at least connecting to one... | 08:06 |
| Luria | so i stuck a second card in my machine. lets see how well windows handles this. | 08:07 |
| Luria | i guess i missed the minimo discussion... | 08:07 |
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| Abulafia | well, that sorta worked. | 08:14 |
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| BigMac | Hey, how can I stop gtalks applet from opening in the dock every time? | 08:28 |
| BigMac | I don't use it | 08:28 |
| saaib_ | BigMac, Home->Select Applet Unselect that applet | 08:30 |
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| BigMac | ok | 08:31 |
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| BigMac | saaib: I mean the applet in my tray | 08:32 |
| BigMac | little orb that is red or green or yellow | 08:32 |
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| else58 | I'm a gaim novice and I'm trying to use maemo-gaim-protocol-irc 1.5.0-8bora1 to connect to this channel on my n800, | 08:36 |
| BigMac | you need the maemo gaim package | 08:37 |
| BigMac | your language package | 08:37 |
| BigMac | then you setup your server prefererences | 08:37 |
| BigMac | hen go to join chat | 08:37 |
| else58 | but I'm getting "Missing protocol plugin for else58@irc.openprojects.net" | 08:37 |
| BigMac | and type in the channel | 08:37 |
| BigMac | oh idk then | 08:37 |
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| else58 | Well, I have gaim, gaim-data, and irc installed | 08:39 |
| else58 | that's maemo-gaim{,-data,protocol-irc} | 08:39 |
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| else51 | I'm in from my n800. I think l had wrong node. | 08:53 |
| BigMac | what is the default lock code | 08:56 |
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| MrBIOS | hello folks | 09:49 |
| timely | hi | 09:56 |
| _Monkey | what's up, timely | 09:56 |
| timely | fwiw (for the log record), there's no xpcom dbus component although one could be created (re GreySim) | 09:58 |
| timely | _Monkey: be quiet and eat your botsnack | 09:58 |
| _Monkey | :) | 09:58 |
| timely | derf / solmumaha: microb for 770 is coming, it needs a bit of testing and a blog entry | 10:00 |
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| timely | derf: fwiw, unfortunately the nokia browser currently includes non open sourced parts (the user interface) and the apis are changed in lockstep, which means that an upgrade of the different pieces is required. and slightly more importantly, the flash that ships w/ 770 isn't compatible w/ anything but the hacked opera with which it came | 10:02 |
| timely | BigMac: the default lock code should be in the printed manual | 10:03 |
| * timely wonders if the root password is there... | 10:03 | |
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| MrBIOS | I need to port a GTK SSH session manager to maemo | 10:06 |
| timely | is that an ssh-agent ui? | 10:06 |
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| lubomir | Hello, i own an nokia N95 and use private and on work linux/gentoo. I want to ask if it were possible to get gentoo working on Nokia N800. I know, that i would need a week to get kde compiled, but thats no problem for me. Is something like that possible? | 10:10 |
| lubomir | I would like then using the N800 to come online with pidgin,xchat over bluetooth connected with my N95 (umts/hsdpa) and bluetooth keyboard and maybe bluetooth mouse. | 10:11 |
| lubomir | or watching some videos and everything else | 10:12 |
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| lubomir | i ask me at the moment if it were possible to gent compiz-fusion running on N800. That would look perfect on such a smal device... | 10:15 |
| timely | it's not technically impossible | 10:18 |
| timely | i think someone was working on getting ubuntu to run on n800 | 10:18 |
| timely | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-547275.html?sid=a29be5c5f8087259c6215945cd3c9a83 | 10:19 |
| timely | is the "I'm feeling lucky" answer to your question | 10:19 |
| rwhitby | timeless: using the new microb - holding down the stylus to get a "right-click" menu is a bit touch and go - it tries very hard to follow the link instead. | 10:21 |
| rwhitby | (this is trying to cut and paste a youtube link so I can download it with uktube) | 10:22 |
| lubomir | timely, why is that technically inpossible? | 10:23 |
| timely | lubomir: did i say that? | 10:24 |
| lubomir | i am shure for example that when there were driver for the Intel 2200 gpu chip and someone had ported linux to dell x51 then compiz-fusion would work. the hardware have enough power to run quake3 arena? | 10:25 |
| timely | rwhitby: it's hard for me to keep track of all the different variations of bugs | 10:25 |
| lubomir | timely, oh, i read the sentence wrong ^^ | 10:25 |
| timely | lubomir: please don't do that :) | 10:25 |
| lubomir | what? | 10:26 |
| lubomir | here you can see running quake3 arena on dell x50/x51 | 10:27 |
| lubomir | http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/11/11/q3ce_powervr/ | 10:27 |
| timely | misread sentences ;-). I just woke up and have a headache/am tired/hungry | 10:27 |
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| timely | n800 doesn't have gaming input controls... | 10:27 |
| zuh | lubomir: There's no drivers for the powervr available, so at least currently anything 3D is going to be software (ie. no-go). | 10:28 |
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| zuh | lubomir: And people who should know tell that even with the drivers it wouldn't be as peachy as it might seem to be (whatever that really means) | 10:29 |
| lubomir | okay...,then gentoo without compiz-fusion ^^ | 10:30 |
| lubomir | i hope that will run after some time. That would be realy nice... | 10:31 |
| timely | by nice you mean it will run the battery down much faster? :) | 10:31 |
| bldewolf | why would you ever run gentoo on an embedded device? | 10:36 |
| lubomir | because i trat linux learning with gentoo and never gone away of gentoo. i have tested some other distibutions but i do not like any one of them | 10:38 |
| bldewolf | I mean, you could build binary packages in scratchbox or something to speed up the process, but what's the point of changing distros in the first place? | 10:38 |
| bldewolf | debian is really easy to use, and I think the install that exists on the nokia devices are a lot more custom tailored for them than you think | 10:39 |
| bldewolf | besides, in the end, it's all linux. You really shouldn't be scared by a different package manager | 10:40 |
| lubomir | easy to use...., that is not what i am searching for ^^ I like testing new svn versions, report bugs and and and | 10:40 |
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| bldewolf | Well, you made it sound like you were afraid debian's packaging system would be harder to use than portage, but I guess it's the opposite way? | 10:41 |
| lubomir | yes | 10:41 |
| zuh | apt-get install foo' | 10:42 |
| bldewolf | Are you a masochist, sir? | 10:42 |
| zuh | grumble | 10:42 |
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| zuh | 'apt-get install foo' vs. 'emerge foo' sounds like a draw for me ;) | 10:42 |
| lubomir | i know apt-get. i tell you that i have tested some other distibutions | 10:42 |
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| bldewolf | what projects would you be testing on your device? | 10:43 |
| lubomir | on what? on the n800 when gentoo runs then? | 10:43 |
| timely | zuh: no!. emerge foo is much better, 1 week later on the inside and you can use foo | 10:44 |
| bldewolf | I'm telling you, a binary distro makes more sense for embedded devices. You build a binary package in scratchbox, copy it over, and install it. I'm betting you could do this with SVN versions, etc | 10:44 |
| timely | maybe 1month later on the outside :) | 10:44 |
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| timely | with apt-get install, it's just 1 hours to deal w/ the dependency conflicts :) | 10:45 |
| lubomir | timely, maybe on N800, but not on normal computer. I had fun getting kde and everythnign else (openoffice was funny...) compiled on a 233mhz ibm thinkpad | 10:46 |
| timely | bldewolf: kinda depends on how big the patchset is and how much you care | 10:46 |
| timely | lubomir: this is #maemo, and you're talking about an n800 | 10:46 |
| zuh | Using portage for building the distro wouldn't be a stupid idea, it just would not happen on the device. The (un)merging part could be done over ssh or something. | 10:46 |
| timely | your thinkpad probably has more available ram, more disk, and faster i/o | 10:46 |
| bldewolf | a keyboard, too! | 10:47 |
| timely | oh yeah, and maybe a touchpad or mouse with a right mouse button? | 10:47 |
| lubomir | do you think installing linux from scratch could run on nokia n800? | 10:47 |
| bldewolf | also, a wireless card that works with open source projects for secured wireless :-/ | 10:48 |
| timely | lubomir: nothing's impossible | 10:48 |
| timely | but the time spent isn't worht it | 10:48 |
| timely | if you have time, i've got dozens of projects | 10:48 |
| lubomir | ^^ | 10:48 |
| florian | good morning | 10:48 |
| lubomir | hi florian | 10:48 |
| bldewolf | I think the bottom line is that regular applications won't work on Maemo devices. They just don't make sense. They assume you have a keyboard, can right click, etc. The real testing you would want to help out with would be with projects that target the devices, and those run the default install | 10:49 |
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| lubomir | i have a tablet-pc and the only problem is, that its too heavy and too big to be portable as i want | 10:52 |
| bldewolf | what's wrong with the debian based OS, though? | 10:53 |
| lubomir | i like using portage, using layman with compiz-fusion, setting use flags and compiler flags and everything other | 10:55 |
| bldewolf | as an aside, /usr/portage is several hundred megs big, and wouldn't fit on the device. You could NFS mount it for installs/uninstalls, but you'd still have a problem with, say, /var/db being a hundred megs (at least, it is on my box). Still too big. | 10:55 |
| zuh | bldewolf: What's wrong with not wanting to use a debian based OS ?-) | 10:56 |
| kulve | zuh: should I answer that one? ;) | 10:56 |
| zuh | kulve: No, or I'll paste you silly with the moldy strawberry ;) | 10:56 |
| lubomir | i would boot of course of a sdhc card ( i see thats possible on the "kde on N800" video) | 10:56 |
| bldewolf | I think I accidentally stepped into the package manager war.... | 10:56 |
| bldewolf | oh yeah! I forgot, I have a 770 so I'm limited to 2 gigs. | 10:57 |
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| lubomir | 8gb big gentoo system would be just enough for me. with reiserfs it would run on a fast sdhc card i think not tooo slow and be usable | 10:59 |
| zuh | Running from SDHC is much faster than from the internal flash | 11:02 |
| bldewolf | I don't understand your unmoving dedication to portage, I mean, I use it a lot too, but when all the libraries and the kernel are fixed, a binary distro just makes sense to me. Oh well, I have to go to bed, so...good luck | 11:02 |
| zuh | bldewolf: You shouln't dismiss something just because it doesn't make sense to you ;) | 11:02 |
| lubomir | its funny here :D | 11:04 |
| timely | why not? | 11:08 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
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| pupnik | wow kobo deluxe is addictive | 11:58 |
| pupnik | new optimized settings giving nearly fullspeed playback on 770, turning off triple buffering helped | 11:59 |
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| pupnik | as well as going to a point scaler and low sampling res for the music | 11:59 |
| lardman | pupnik: What format is the music? | 12:00 |
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| pupnik | .mid | 12:01 |
| Luria | is there a new microb? | 12:01 |
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| lardman | pupnik: Yet another dsp task..? ;) | 12:02 |
| Luria | im seeing an .8-3 in the package manager | 12:02 |
| pupnik | it's a custom music player in this case, but yes a GM midi synth in dsp would be useable by many many programs | 12:02 |
| lardman | Luria: There was a new release a few days ago, not sure what the version was though | 12:02 |
| * lardman wonders how hard midi decoding is... Google.... | 12:03 | |
| pupnik | lardman: old dsps were very limited with registers, instructions and memory access | 12:03 |
| pupnik | is the 770 dsp more like a cpu now? | 12:03 |
| pupnik | (remembering the motorola 56k here) | 12:04 |
| Luria | yeah, i thought that was .8-2 | 12:04 |
| lardman | pupnik: It seems fairly CPU-like, but I'd never done DSP programming before this one so I've nothing to compare it with | 12:04 |
| Luria | looks like there was a third microb update | 12:05 |
| Luria | that wasnt mentioned on the news page | 12:06 |
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| pupnik | what maemo package provides 'diff'? | 12:11 |
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| timeless | luria: -2 wasn't announced | 12:21 |
| timeless | the changesbetween -1 and -3 were all described in the second announcement | 12:21 |
| timeless | or at least, as best as i could | 12:21 |
| Luria | oh odd | 12:21 |
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| timeless | we could keep that pattern and not announce -4, and then announce -5 | 12:22 |
| timeless | that would keep a sort of odd consistency :) | 12:22 |
| Luria | oh dear | 12:23 |
| Luria | ;-) | 12:23 |
| timeless | unfortunately, the device i use personally doesn't have the meta package at all, do that number doesn't mean anything to me | 12:23 |
| Luria | i only noticed cause of the meta... | 12:24 |
| Luria | but im always wary of upgrading | 12:24 |
| * timeless tries updating | 12:25 | |
| Luria | i dont have sdk repo installed, but red pill is red pill | 12:25 |
| Luria | i love the uk layout. why does the us one suck? | 12:25 |
| Luria | thanks to whomever gave me that tip | 12:26 |
| kulve | lardman: have you tried running anything on the dsp for a longer period of time? Like for a minute. | 12:30 |
| lardman | kulve: No. Why? You having troubles? | 12:31 |
| Luria | btw, timeless, thanks. microb is great now. still slower, but about as stable, and much much better. | 12:31 |
| Luria | g'night all | 12:32 |
| kulve | lardman: yup | 12:32 |
| kulve | it get's stucked pretty quickly | 12:32 |
| lardman | slows down or stops or crashes? | 12:33 |
| kulve | stops | 12:33 |
| kulve | and then the dsp is reseted | 12:33 |
| kulve | because of poll timeout | 12:33 |
| lardman | oh | 12:33 |
| lardman | it needs to communicate with that task in the initfs? | 12:34 |
| * lardman can't remember what it's called | 12:34 | |
| kulve | no, it's not that | 12:34 |
| kulve | if a dsp task function takes over 10secs it need to disable dsp watchdog polling with some function. But mine shouldn't block for that long | 12:35 |
| lardman | ah yes, I see | 12:35 |
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| lardman | section 8.1.3 | 12:35 |
| lardman | but what is polling it? | 12:36 |
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| lardman | as the spec document says any ARM app can poll the DSP | 12:36 |
| kulve | maybe the arm side kernel..? Or the dsp_dld | 12:36 |
| kulve | but that's not the problem here. It just occurs because of the problem.. | 12:37 |
| lardman | I was wondering if it's that reset daemon, the one you need to disable with the flasher if you screw up the GUI | 12:37 |
| kulve | I would guess that it's the dsp_dld daemon that does the polling | 12:37 |
| lardman | True | 12:38 |
| lardman | Have you tried the disable function call? | 12:38 |
| kulve | nope.. | 12:38 |
| kulve | the debugs from the normal "give me more data" case: | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48231.261657] requested new input buffer (160 bytes) | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48231.261688] mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=54:01(KFUNC:PWR DSP /DOWN), data=0004 | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48231.262817] mbox: sending seq=0, cmd=24:05(BKSNDP:task 5), data=0000 | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48231.263732] mbox: receiving seq=1, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=003d | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48231.263824] rcv_bksnd: got 160 bytes of data: 0x103b 0x1370 0x1292 0x0d5f | 12:39 |
| kulve | and from the stucked version: | 12:39 |
| kulve | 48231.277008] requested new input buffer (160 bytes) | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48231.278350] mbox: sending seq=0, cmd=24:05(BKSNDP:task 5), data=0000 | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48232.815948] mbox: sending seq=0, cmd=32:00(POLL), data=0000 | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48242.815673] omapdsp:mbcmd:3200(10000 ms) | 12:39 |
| kulve | [48242.815704] omapdsp: poll error! | 12:39 |
| kulve | I didn't find that cmd 54 (KFUNC:PWR DSP /DOWN) from the spec.. | 12:39 |
| lardman | Is there a difference between the two, other than the runtime? | 12:39 |
| kulve | cmd 54 is one difference | 12:40 |
| kulve | it's there always (from dsp to arm direction?) but not on the last time | 12:40 |
| matmo | hi all, just installed VMware appliance. Any pro's/con's to installing "Nokia Binaries"? | 12:40 |
| kulve | matmo: I think you should install those.. I think there's no harm with them.. | 12:41 |
| matmo | kulve: ok, do I need to close SB before installing? | 12:42 |
| kulve | I'm not sure | 12:42 |
| lardman | kulve: The power management stuff may not be in the spec, I suppose it's pretty specific to the hardware application | 12:43 |
| kulve | lardman: I though so too.. | 12:43 |
| kulve | lardman: and now I'm wondering if I should do something to it on init/close of the codec.. | 12:43 |
| kulve | I would guess not.. | 12:44 |
| lardman | the power management stuff? | 12:44 |
| lardman | I imagine it's handled by the avs_kernel when there are no tasks left except for the lowest prioroty one | 12:45 |
| lardman | or is the linux kernel specifically asks it to sleep | 12:45 |
| lardman | s/is/if | 12:45 |
| kulve | I hope so too | 12:45 |
| kulve | that "pwr dsp down" just looks like the dsp task knows that it's idle because it just asked for data | 12:46 |
| lardman | yep, that would make sense | 12:46 |
| lardman | with your polling problem, is your code busy for >10s? | 12:47 |
| kulve | it shouldn't be.. after that "requested new input buffer" the function is done and it should just return from it.. | 12:48 |
| kulve | dbg(task, "init: requested new input buffer (%d bytes)", FRAME_SIZE * sizeof(short)); | 12:49 |
| kulve | return 0; | 12:49 |
| lardman | But you do have to specifically answer the poll | 12:49 |
| kulve | hmm | 12:49 |
| lardman | I've not run into this because all of my code is <10s long in total | 12:49 |
| kulve | mine should be too | 12:49 |
| kulve | they get stucked in a second.. | 12:49 |
| lardman | Does the poll need a call back function registered, or does it come as a tctl message? | 12:50 |
| kulve | the poll command should be automatically handled by the dsp kernel. But if my dsp task function can take over 10 secs then I need to disable it | 12:52 |
| kulve | just read from the spec | 12:52 |
| lardman | ah, that's why there's little mention then | 12:53 |
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| lardman | I wonder what happens if there a high priority task that is running, would that stop a lower priority task from answering | 12:54 |
| kulve | I think not | 12:54 |
| lardman | I know it says the kernel takes care of it, but what purpuse does that then serve? | 12:54 |
| kulve | just guessing.. | 12:54 |
| kulve | it checks that the dsp kernel is still running..? | 12:55 |
| kulve | I think the whole dsp kernel is reseted because my task's poll problem.. | 12:55 |
| lardman | why bother polling each task then? | 12:55 |
| kulve | dunno.. | 12:55 |
| lardman | and if you do poll each task, you'd presumably want the task to reply (even if automatically), so you know it's not stuck in a loop, etc | 12:56 |
| kulve | p84 | 12:57 |
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| lardman | yep, I read that | 12:58 |
| lardman | seems strange logic though | 12:58 |
| kulve | and btw. the next page tells that bytes (16bits) moves nicely across the cpus, but long long (32bits) don't.. | 12:58 |
| lardman | yep, that was the page I was pointing you to the other day | 12:59 |
| kulve | I didn't have time to read it properly then.. | 12:59 |
| pupnik | 30-35 fps in kobo deluxe... this game is incredibly well designed | 12:59 |
| pupnik | this is in 640x480 with background scrolling and a *lot* of sprites onscreen | 12:59 |
| pupnik | this is the first sdl game i've seen hit 30+ fps at 640x480 | 13:01 |
| lardman | kulve: Does the dsp perform true multitasking? | 13:01 |
| kulve | afaik, yes | 13:01 |
| kulve | or, what do you mean by true multitasking? :) | 13:02 |
| lardman | kulve: If not, and it just queues callbacks, then it could handle the polling and get an idea of whether each task is locked up | 13:02 |
| lardman | I meant interupts and context switches | 13:02 |
| lardman | I'm not sure it does do that though | 13:02 |
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| kulve | you can e.g. have encoder and decoder tasks running there "at the same time" | 13:03 |
| lardman | yes, but what happens if one of these tasks takes >1min to perform its callback? | 13:03 |
| lardman | Does the dsp stop doing the other task? | 13:03 |
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| lardman | Just thinking how the kernel can answer the poll message in each task's message queue and get some useful information back about the task | 13:05 |
| kulve | good question :) | 13:05 |
| kulve | about the polling behaviour I would guess that it can be in only one function at a time, i.e. if one blocks, nothing gets run | 13:06 |
| lardman | yep | 13:06 |
| lardman | hence the need to poll each task, to make sure each one is actually being run | 13:07 |
| lardman | old-skool "cooperative" multitasking | 13:08 |
| pupnik | before that were tsrs that hooked into interrupts | 13:09 |
| kulve | lardman: hmm.. | 13:09 |
| lardman | This is more like the Symbian "active objects" business I suppose | 13:10 |
| kulve | it does't get stucked with global buffers.. :) | 13:10 |
| lardman | what were you using before? | 13:10 |
| kulve | private | 13:10 |
| lardman | interesting, any ideas why? | 13:10 |
| kulve | i.e. bkreqp | 13:10 |
| kulve | no | 13:10 |
| kulve | afaik, I don't need to reserver and release the private buffers.. | 13:11 |
| kulve | and I don't see any other reason | 13:11 |
| kulve | but the skeleton codes in dspgateway page uses global, so maybe I'm now happy and move on :) | 13:11 |
| lardman | well, worth knowing | 13:12 |
| lardman | before you do move on, I wonder if it's possible to issue commands from a task back to the same task, to break up a chunk of processing for example | 13:13 |
| kulve | I decoded the encoded data on my desktop and it's sounding ok :) | 13:13 |
| lardman | great! | 13:14 |
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| kulve | what do you mean "issues commands"? Like pass the decoded data to the pcm task? | 13:15 |
| lardman | look at p24 | 13:15 |
| lardman | that's something else - read about ARM not using that command | 13:15 |
| lardman | About breaking up processing, if the DSP reads a large chunk of data in, can it issue a command (that comes back to it and triggers another function to be called) to process part of it | 13:16 |
| lardman | I suppose it should just read less data at a time | 13:16 |
| kulve | you mean something else than normal function call now..? | 13:17 |
| lardman | ah, yes you can, but via the ARM. It can send arbitrary tctl commands | 13:17 |
| lardman | On the DSPside, if you run the buffer receive callback (for example), I was wonderin if you have to process the entire buffer in one go | 13:18 |
| kulve | on the arm user space, you have only read/write/ioctl | 13:18 |
| lardman | you can send an ioctl I think that produces an arbitrary command (which you can listen for in the dsp task) | 13:18 |
| kulve | yes | 13:19 |
| lardman | in which case, as long as the arm side knows whether you're finished, you can read the buffer, return, arm sends a command to process a bit, return, etc. | 13:19 |
| kulve | yeah, I think that's possible | 13:19 |
| lardman | I was just wondering | 13:20 |
| kulve | also you can do write,read,read,read,write,read,read,read on arm side, if that's how the dsp side is designed | 13:20 |
| kulve | i.e. the read command can cause a callback on dsp side which can continue prosessing data then | 13:20 |
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| lardman | yes | 13:21 |
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| lardman | I was thinking more of processing tasks than reading ones (for which you do as you say and send smaller and more often) | 13:22 |
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| lardman | for processing tasks you may need all the data, but it might take too long to process it all, so you need to save state and return to let other things run | 13:22 |
| kulve | I actually think that the current dsp gateway design is quite flexible. About everything can be done :) | 13:23 |
| kulve | it might even run the task simultaneously.. That's probably told somewhere but is easy to test | 13:23 |
| lardman | yes, that would be an interesting thing to check | 13:24 |
| kulve | now I need to convert libspeex using the dsp task and then I can try streaming audio from n800 mic to my desktop.. | 13:25 |
| matmo | anyone up for helping a newbie? | 13:26 |
| lardman | kulve: Shame we don't (yet..?) have access to the mic and speakers on the DSP side | 13:26 |
| kulve | matmo: just ask the question and hope somebody answers :) | 13:27 |
| kulve | but I'm off now | 13:27 |
| kulve | lardman: let's first make the codecs. Then we have something to show for the EAP stuff :) | 13:27 |
| lardman | kulve: glad to hear your progress, good luck with libspeex conversion | 13:27 |
| lardman | kulve: yep that;s true | 13:27 |
| kulve | the libspeex conversion should be trivial.. | 13:28 |
| kulve | but now I'm gone | 13:28 |
| lardman | famous last words ;) | 13:28 |
| matmo | well I have a few so I thought you deserved a hint first :-) I have installed the VMware VA from http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1008 as it appears to be latest. I have it running and have selected gregale target. Every thing starts and I see a GNU icon for a simple "hello world" program but the interface seems unusable. | 13:30 |
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| kulve | lardman: If the meant my conversion comment, the arm side does only reading from and writing to the dsp device. So it shouldn't be a big deal.. | 13:49 |
| kulve | matmo: you have 770? | 13:49 |
| kulve | matmo: I find it complex often to run stuff in SB (in ARM target), so I just compile stuff in SB and scp it (e.g. a deb) to the device in run it there over ssh | 13:50 |
| matmo | kulve: sry, was on phone. Yep 770. | 13:50 |
| Rocketman | _monkey seen pepnik? | 13:50 |
| _Monkey | I haven't seen 'pepnik', Rocketman | 13:50 |
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| matmo | kulve: I'm a complete newbie (as good as) and it's probably safer if I can work in SB for now :-) | 13:52 |
| kulve | matmo: you can always flash the 770 if you mess it up completely :) | 13:52 |
| kulve | you can also boot from mmc card to have a separate "development environment" | 13:52 |
| matmo | suppose so... and I have two anyway, one with HE (which I'm going to blow anyway) | 13:53 |
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| matmo | re mmc, yep, 2G should be plenty huh? | 13:53 |
| kulve | easily | 13:55 |
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| kulve | I made 3 partitions to my mmc, one for dev, one for clean installs and about 1G for normal mmc usage (oggs etc) | 13:55 |
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| matmo | kulve: my aim (eventually) is to do some Squeak VM hacking. ATM, AFAIK, it doesn't correctly support pen/buttons so probably be less wear&tear if I could hack on SB | 14:05 |
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| matmo | progress - selected gregale, got rid of .gnome2 and .osso directories but second level menus dissappearing | 14:09 |
| kulve | I've heard that problem before.. | 14:10 |
| pupnik | from marceleduardo's blog - phone usability ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnsoUclxd-4 | 14:15 |
| matmo | also, shouldn't the interface look similar to IT2006 on the 770? In the SB one it's different gfx/bg or is that because gragale is newer? | 14:15 |
| kulve | the theme is just one debian package | 14:16 |
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| kulve | and the SDK (afaik) still has the first one | 14:17 |
| matmo | ok | 14:17 |
| kulve | and the background you can freely choose | 14:17 |
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| matmo | can't find reference to the submenu problem, maybe something I missed | 14:24 |
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| matmo | except in relnotes ;-) "submenus do not open in some environments" | 14:27 |
| matmo | looks I will have to test on an actuall 770 | 14:27 |
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| pupnik | aloha AD-N770 | 14:34 |
| AD-N770 | hi pupnik | 14:34 |
| pupnik | i'm still amazed at how efficient/fast kobo deluxe is | 14:35 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/kobodl.html <- kobo deluxe sdl game | 14:36 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/antiword/ << maemo.org/downloads... with no download link | 14:39 |
| pupnik | we must consider this a usability problem, i think | 14:40 |
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| matmo | the relnotes for gregale are dated 2007-02-02. Would a show stopper problem with menus be fixed by now? OK it is vmware but surely I'm not the first to experience the bug? | 14:44 |
| pupnik | do you see the submenu flash and then disappear? | 14:45 |
| matmo | yep | 14:45 |
| pupnik | which menu is this - the application start menu, or a menu within a program? | 14:45 |
| matmo | app menu, submenus | 14:46 |
| matmo | sry, we talking about the main lefthand menu? | 14:46 |
| pupnik | yeah | 14:46 |
| pupnik | i have a feeling i know what it might be | 14:46 |
| matmo | I get the first level ok but not the second | 14:46 |
| pupnik | you see the second level menu overdraws the first level | 14:47 |
| matmo | one mo... | 14:47 |
| pupnik | so there is a problem with xomap server and the fact that the 2nd level menu does nto get permission to be on-top of the 1st level menu | 14:47 |
| pupnik | you can see this effect on first level menus if you run xkbd and select the one-line virtual keyboard - this creates the same problem for even first-level menus | 14:48 |
| kulve | wasn't that in the SB? | 14:48 |
| pupnik | oh | 14:48 |
| pupnik | then i'm wrong about it being related to xomap | 14:48 |
| matmo | hmmm, click on icon (or hold mouse down) and first level appears. Move mouse to desired submenu, release/click and submenu flashes then all menus disappear | 14:48 |
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| pupnik | and the application starts | 14:50 |
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| matmo | nope, I don't see any actual text for submenu (apart from first level) | 14:51 |
| pupnik | oh | 14:52 |
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| matmo | pupnik: so any idea? | 15:03 |
| kulve | matmo: I think that's old and known issue. And still unfixed.. | 15:04 |
| pupnik | 0 | 15:04 |
| matmo | but then it make the whole gazillion gig download a bit of a waste | 15:05 |
| kulve | well, you need most of it for compilation still, right? | 15:05 |
| matmo | yeah but, yeah but :-) | 15:05 |
| kulve | like I said, there has always been some problems (e.g. missing close source binaries, missing hw (wlan,bt,etc), etc), so I just make a deb there, copy to the device, install, run | 15:06 |
| matmo | hmmm, could it be anything to do with "DISPLAY should contain hostname"? | 15:09 |
| kulve | I think not | 15:10 |
| kulve | that's a problem when using sbrsh instead of qemu | 15:10 |
| kulve | i.e. the prosesses are run in a separate computer | 15:10 |
| matmo | ok. Just checking the start-up messages for any clues. | 15:11 |
| kulve | I'm afraid you might need to dive in to the gtk source code to get that fixed.. | 15:11 |
| matmo | missing fonts? I saw no text in the menus | 15:11 |
| kulve | well, that sounds a bit odd | 15:11 |
| matmo | "Could not init font path element..." x 3 | 15:12 |
| kulve | unless it was because it just didn't have time to render them before it vanished..? | 15:12 |
| matmo | possible | 15:12 |
| matmo | error raising the oom shield... | 15:12 |
| kulve | did you try opening them with a keyboard? | 15:12 |
| matmo | don't know how | 15:12 |
| kulve | oom is out-of-memory (I think, again) | 15:12 |
| kulve | I think the menu key is some of the F1-F9. Then you should be able to navigate with arrows? | 15:13 |
| matmo | trying now | 15:13 |
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| kulve | F4 maybe? | 15:14 |
| zuh | Second-level menu disappearing sounds like the fun situation where the second menu opens beneath the statusbar window (and on maemo menus are coded to close when obscured by something else than another menu window) | 15:15 |
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| matmo | yep but same problem using cursor keys, as soon as I go to select submenu, flash, then gone | 15:15 |
| matmo | (previous msg in response to kulve) | 15:15 |
| matmo | zuh: do you know of any solution? | 15:16 |
| zuh | Not really, no | 15:16 |
| matmo | drat | 15:16 |
| kulve | zuh: any hack to get around that? | 15:16 |
| zuh | IIRC it sometimes went a way after restarting the env couple of times or something | 15:16 |
| kulve | sounds like windows :) | 15:16 |
| zuh | Sounds like broken menus to me ;) | 15:16 |
| kulve | well, that too.. | 15:17 |
| * zuh heads to home | 15:17 | |
| kulve | hildon-home | 15:17 |
| matmo | restarting VM | 15:18 |
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| matmo | same :-( | 15:26 |
| kulve | try just restarting the af-sb-init.sh couple of times instead of the vm? | 15:26 |
| kulve | it knows restart command. The qemu prosesses can be left running though. And hogging cpu | 15:27 |
| matmo | 3rd time now and same | 15:28 |
| kulve | :/ | 15:28 |
| matmo | sure it's not a font problem? "Home" look large compared actual device | 15:29 |
| matmo | also the theme gfx are missing in places, top left and just under app menu | 15:29 |
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| kulve | no, I'm not sure | 15:29 |
| kulve | did you give dpi option to xephyr when you started it? (I don't know how it's started in vmware) | 15:30 |
| matmo | no but I will check in the "go" script | 15:30 |
| matmo | it is being supplied as "-dpi 96" | 15:31 |
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| kulve | that's correct | 15:31 |
| kulve | even though the real dpi is ~225 | 15:31 |
| matmo | also I notice 16bit display | 15:31 |
| kulve | that is correct too | 15:32 |
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| matmo | even on 32? | 15:32 |
| kulve | afaik, most pda style devices use 16bit display | 15:32 |
| kulve | the theme engine works only with 16bit X, that's why the xephyr must run as 16bit | 15:32 |
| matmo | yeah, my mistake, me thinking it should match current display | 15:32 |
| matmo | but the gaps in the gfx are suspicious | 15:33 |
| gla55_ | some symbian devices use 12 and 18bits | 15:33 |
| gla55_ | which is like, "yay!!!!" | 15:33 |
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| pupnik_ | gla55_: did you find any cflags that were superior to "-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer" | 15:35 |
| pupnik_ | for 770 | 15:35 |
| gla55_ | na haven't tested options | 15:36 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 15:36 |
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| matmo | is "SDK_X86" for bora? | 15:44 |
| pupnik | gah | 15:44 |
| pupnik | i duno | 15:44 |
| pupnik | dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/libguichan1-dev/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `libguichan1-dev': `Depends' field, reference to `libguichan1': error in version: version string is empty | 15:44 |
| matmo | menu's ok with that selection | 15:44 |
| kulve | matmo: that's just name of the target. It doesn't tell anything about the content.. | 15:45 |
| kulve | matmo: cat /etc/apt/sources.list might tell the distro best | 15:45 |
| matmo | kulve: must be having some effect though | 15:45 |
| kulve | SDK_X86 is running x86 binaries, SDK_ARMEL is running arm binaries. At least that's how the installer sets the targets | 15:46 |
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| matmo | avoiding arm targets anyway for dev'ing on PC, leaves "SDK_X86" (bora?) and "SDK_PC_GREGALE". Submenus fine on SDK_X86 | 15:48 |
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| matmo | and gfx have no gaps | 15:50 |
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| matmo | ok, I got to go out for 30mins but if anyone can explain why one works and not the other I would appreciate it | 15:51 |
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| pupnik | the name you give it SDL_PC_GREGALE or SDK_X86 mean nothing - they could be Cow_Frog or Foo_Barm68k | 15:53 |
| pupnik | i don't understand the question | 15:53 |
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| kulve | matmo: actually it can be that the vmware image has targets for n800 sdk (bora) and for 770 sdk (gregale). The code in the bora is much newer and probably has the fix for the problem | 16:02 |
| kulve | matmo: depending on your app you can develop on bora and it will run just fine on 770 and on 800 | 16:02 |
| kulve | iirc | 16:02 |
| pupnik | i should try that, been working in gregale | 16:03 |
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| pupnik | but it seems doubtful - at least something like libconic isn't available on 770 | 16:04 |
| pupnik | probably many other things not backward compatible | 16:04 |
| kulve | many things are. I think the 770 connectivity stuff still works on 800? Not sure about that thouhg.. | 16:07 |
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| kulve | well, it depends a lot on the application | 16:08 |
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| konttori | ukmp 1.6 is out http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/ukmp-16-is-out.html | 16:14 |
| konttori | Big thanks to Pasi Keränen for m4a support | 16:14 |
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| konttori | It supports maemo scrobbler as well, so big thanks to disq for that | 16:15 |
| konttori | your maemo scrobbler is a great piece of software | 16:15 |
| disq | nice | 16:16 |
| disq | ooh thanks :) | 16:16 |
| konttori | And it was surprisingly easy to get to work once I was able to get the osso context working | 16:17 |
| Toma- | can you simply compile stuff on the 770 rather than using scratchbox? | 16:18 |
| Toma- | apparently going to take me 18 hrs to download from scracthbox.org | 16:19 |
| konttori | It'll probably run out of memory if try it | 16:19 |
| Toma- | hmm bummer :S | 16:19 |
| konttori | look on the bright side, you can take the rest of the day off! | 16:19 |
| gla55_ | maybe go with python if you just want to play abit | 16:19 |
| Toma- | im trying to compile e17 and onboard | 16:20 |
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| trevarthan | konttori: I can | 16:25 |
| trevarthan | 't install 1.6 from maemo.org | 16:25 |
| trevarthan | It never gives me the 'Open' option when I click 'Install Now' | 16:25 |
| trevarthan | s/Install Now/Click to Install/ | 16:25 |
| infobot | trevarthan meant: It never gives me the 'Open' option when I click 'Click to Install' | 16:25 |
| konttori | lemme try | 16:26 |
| konttori | thanks for the tip | 16:26 |
| konttori | apparently you need to save it first | 16:29 |
| konttori | Damn I hate when nokia changes stuff on the web site. | 16:29 |
| trevarthan | 1.5 was like that too, BTW. | 16:30 |
| konttori | apparenlty deb files cannot anymore be opened from the garage maemo site | 16:30 |
| konttori | ok. I just didn't notice it then either | 16:30 |
| trevarthan | ah. so probably kagu has the same problem? | 16:30 |
| trevarthan | that sucks | 16:30 |
| trevarthan | oh well, I'll use app manager. | 16:31 |
| konttori | But isn't kagu in the extras repo? | 16:31 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 16:31 |
| trevarthan | I don't understand the point you're making. | 16:31 |
| disq | trevarthan: it's the bug we encountered in 1.0.4 release, remember i talked to ferenc about it etc. there's a bugreport on bugzilla for that | 16:32 |
| disq | btw hi | 16:32 |
| trevarthan | :) howdy | 16:32 |
| konttori | My point is that .install files probably work just as they are supposed to | 16:32 |
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| trevarthan | Is UKMP available via app manager? | 16:33 |
| disq | konttori: fixed your .deb yet? still creates a /debian dir in rootfs? | 16:33 |
| konttori | nope. Don't know how to do it. | 16:33 |
| konttori | And haven't really bothered to find out yet. | 16:33 |
| disq | you can always cheat off of us about packaging :P | 16:33 |
| trevarthan | yeah, no kidding. disq did an excellent job. check out our debian dir. | 16:34 |
| konttori | where is it? | 16:34 |
| trevarthan | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/debian | 16:35 |
| konttori | thanks! | 16:35 |
| disq | you'll also check out ../setup.py | 16:35 |
| disq | s/also/also have to/ | 16:35 |
| infobot | disq meant: you'll also have to check out ../setup.py | 16:35 |
| trevarthan | disq: what does setup.py do again? I've never understood that. | 16:35 |
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| disq | i think it handles the "make all" dpkg-buildpackage issues and prepares the build dir to be packaged by dpkg | 16:36 |
| konttori | umm... will that work on osx as well? | 16:36 |
| disq | why not test it :) | 16:37 |
| trevarthan | well... I think it's mostly for debian OS's. | 16:37 |
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| disq | ah, yeah, since osx doesn't use .deb it won't work :) | 16:37 |
| jkyro | the setup.py is the python way of distributing stuff | 16:38 |
| pupnik | yaay got readline5 built | 16:38 |
| jkyro | there is a neat integration for it in the packaging system | 16:38 |
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| trevarthan | disq: sparr: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/412 | 16:49 |
| disq | trevarthan: last night 411 was throwing a2dpbutton exceptions when i tried to move the scrollwidget | 16:50 |
| konttori | sweet. now debian is gone | 16:50 |
| disq | trevarthan: ooh. great patch. so much code :P (if mutagen supports ogg that's all we needed anyway) | 16:51 |
| trevarthan | disq: regarding 412, I wasn't sure if mutagen's OGG comment support would be... adequate. But sparr seems to think it works, so hey... :) | 16:52 |
| disq | yeah.. | 16:52 |
| trevarthan | disq: regarding 411: did it crash? Or did you just see exceptions in the log? | 16:52 |
| _Monkey | i heard yeah was there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) | 16:52 |
| disq | it crashed | 16:52 |
| trevarthan | disq: I've been using 411 for a day or so without any issues. Using ossoplayer and mplayer. | 16:52 |
| disq | _Monkey: forget it | 16:52 |
| _Monkey | disq: I forgot it | 16:53 |
| disq | trevarthan: i'll check again | 16:53 |
| disq | trevarthan: of course 412 means we'll have to track down ossoplayer errors if ogg support is not enabled there. or we could just switch to mplayer alltogether | 16:53 |
| matmo | kulve: (and pupnik) thanks, I'll see how I get on using SDK_X86 for testing then GREDALE for device build | 16:54 |
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| trevarthan | disq: yeah. The former probably. We both need to encode some OGG for testing. | 16:56 |
| trevarthan | Anyone have any idea at how I can peek at maemo's copy/paste clipboard from python? | 16:57 |
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| disq | trevarthan: run a program that accesses the buffer (maybe there's an x util to do that) and pipe the output? | 16:58 |
| lmoura | trevarthan, check gtk.Clipboard | 17:01 |
| trevarthan | lmoura: cool. thanks. | 17:02 |
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| rik | hi all . what's the state of kismet on the n800? good or bad? | 17:04 |
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| rik | guess i'll come back later then. | 17:16 |
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| gogol | is setting up the maemo sdk in cygwin workable? | 17:44 |
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| konttori | hey, did anyone test ukmp 1.6? | 17:51 |
| konttori | I am getting message that the song selection doesn't work | 17:52 |
| konttori | Works for me, so I'm curious if it happens to other people | 17:52 |
| konttori | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8905&goto=newpost | 17:52 |
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| willcooke | Hi guys, how do I change the default handler for PDF's to Evince, from the built in one? Is it something to do with mime types? | 17:54 |
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| sparrw | disq / trevarthan: where can i get svn as a tarball? | 18:14 |
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| trevarthan | sparrw: don't just use svn. | 18:15 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: rephrase: don't, just use svn | 18:15 |
| sparrw | i dont think svn is available for the 770 | 18:16 |
| trevarthan | you can get svn here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/subversion | 18:16 |
| trevarthan | "IT OS 2006" | 18:16 |
| sparrw | another repository i need :) | 18:17 |
| trevarthan | 770s don't have "Click to Install"? | 18:18 |
| sparrw | sure, but that takes too long | 18:18 |
| trevarthan | uh.... ok | 18:18 |
| sparrw | launch browser, navigate to maemo.org, find package, click to install, go through app manager | 18:18 |
| sparrw | much faster and informative to use apt-get | 18:18 |
| sparrw | also, click to install doesnt help me find out what other packages that site offers | 18:19 |
| trevarthan | well, if you like the CLI that much, you should love SVN. | 18:19 |
| kulve | willcooke: edit the desktop files. Add the mime type to the app you want and remove it from the built-in. Assuming evince knows how to get the doc parameter over dbus.. | 18:19 |
| willcooke | thanks kulve , will try that | 18:20 |
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| sparrw | im a moderate fan of svn. i also use git and monotone | 18:20 |
| trevarthan | I've never used git, but disq sent me a youtube video of Linus explaining it. I like the concept. I think SVN is easier for small projects though. | 18:21 |
| sparrw | subversion includes 2.5MB of locale files that i didnt need, probably 1MB of compressed storage. i love localepurge :) | 18:21 |
| trevarthan | I guess disk space is at a premium on the 770? pupnik complained that python installs too much stuff too. I've got plenty of room on my n800... | 18:23 |
| sparrw | svn segfaults | 18:23 |
| sparrw | open("/usr/lib/half/libsvn_ra_serf-1.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 18:23 |
| sparrw | stat64("/usr/lib/half", 0xbeecba20) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 18:23 |
| sparrw | open("/usr/lib/libsvn_ra_serf-1.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 18:23 |
| sparrw | stat64("/usr/lib", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=17592186044416, ...}) = 0 | 18:23 |
| sparrw | munmap(0x401bd000, 22587) = 0 | 18:23 |
| sparrw | rt_sigaction(SIGPIPE, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_IGN}, 8) = 0 | 18:24 |
| sparrw | getpid() = 1823 | 18:24 |
| sparrw | getpid() = 1823 | 18:24 |
| sparrw | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- | 18:24 |
| disq | sparrw: what i do is, i svn checkout to my linux server, and then scp over the .py files to /usr/lib/kagu/ (also don't forget to update /usr/lib/kagu/data/) | 18:24 |
| sparrw | yeah, pain in the butt if i dont know whats changed | 18:24 |
| sparrw | guess i could get rsync working... | 18:24 |
| trevarthan | sounds like a plan. | 18:24 |
| trevarthan | you need to use SVN somehow. It's how we communicate changes. | 18:25 |
| trevarthan | That sucks that it doesn't work on the 770. | 18:25 |
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| disq | i think the package is missing libsvn somehow | 18:26 |
| sparrw | its not | 18:26 |
| sparrw | ive got libsvn | 18:26 |
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| sparrw | including /usr/lib/libsvn_ra_svn-1.so.0.0.0 | 18:27 |
| sparrw | but nothing _serf | 18:27 |
| gogol | is anyone here regularly using their 770 as a sip phone? | 18:27 |
| sparrw | gogol: i will, some day, when we get SIP capability here in the office | 18:28 |
| sparrw | trevarthan: you guys need to get guardini to fix their ssl cert | 18:28 |
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| gogol | you can get a free washington state number forwarded into sip | 18:28 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I sent the svn maintainer a message about the segfault. | 18:28 |
| sparrw | gogol: link? | 18:28 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it link is at http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html | 18:28 |
| gogol | it's a little laggy though | 18:28 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I am guardiani. It's my last name. | 18:28 |
| gogol | http://ipkall.com | 18:28 |
| sparrw | trevarthan: your ssl cert is expired. among other problems. | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: And I don't really feel like paying for a cert. | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I could fix the expiration thing. | 18:29 |
| sparrw | meh @ pay. just reissue your own with a proper-er common name :-p | 18:29 |
| gogol | i linked that up with gtalk2voip.net and it works alright on the desktop, havent tried it on the 770 | 18:29 |
| sparrw | youre using a cert for guardini.us for pages on www.guardini.us | 18:29 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: Hey, it's a dev site. suck it up man. | 18:30 |
| trevarthan | You, me, and disq are the only people that care right now. :) | 18:31 |
| sparrw | hey, if it was a paid cert id take it like a man... but you self sign, its a 30 second fix | 18:31 |
| trevarthan | I'm lazy. sue me. | 18:32 |
| trevarthan | I also don't have emails working on the Trac tickets yet. I'll get to all of that when I get some time. | 18:33 |
| sparrw | grr @ kagu svn not laid out in filesystem order | 18:33 |
| sparrw | src/kagu is /usr/lib/kagu | 18:34 |
| sparrw | yes? | 18:34 |
| trevarthan | yes | 18:34 |
| trevarthan | it's like that for a reason. | 18:34 |
| gogol | oh and sparrw, you _can_ forward that ipkall number to a gizmo account and skip paying for a 'CallIn' number | 18:34 |
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| gogol | ..if ever you get into it.. | 18:35 |
| sparrw | gogol: heh, thanks for the tip | 18:35 |
| gogol | :) | 18:35 |
| sparrw | can google talk do sip? | 18:35 |
| * sparrw wishes | 18:35 | |
| gogol | nope | 18:35 |
| gogol | theyre not doing the open standard | 18:36 |
| gogol | i think they said they were going to eventually | 18:36 |
| sparrw | yeah, that was annoying when i used it... xmpp for text is cool though | 18:36 |
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| gogol | gizmo is crashy, it would be nice. | 18:37 |
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| trevarthan | gogol: n800 has sip. it doesn't work with asterisk (which I find highly annoying), but it works with some stuff. rtcomm is the package. | 18:37 |
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| gogol | thought there were asterisk debs for n800? | 18:38 |
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| trevarthan | there might be, but the server hardly makes a good sip phone. | 18:38 |
| sparrw | where does kagu keep its track db? | 18:39 |
| trevarthan | no gui | 18:39 |
| gogol | man, i built this killer bluetooth headset for the 770 before i ordered it | 18:39 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I think it's being placed in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/kagu.db or something | 18:39 |
| sparrw | aha | 18:39 |
| gogol | out of an nes controller :D :D | 18:39 |
| gogol | and then found out: no headset support! gah! | 18:40 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I consider that a bug. I'd prefer ~/.kagu/kagu.db, but it's not a high priority. | 18:40 |
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| trevarthan | gogol: I know. It's a shame. If someone would just port a damn sip phone I would add bluez headsetd support, but sip phones are a pain to port. | 18:41 |
| gogol | does gizmo not have what youre looking for? it works with asterisk | 18:41 |
| trevarthan | gogol: I've already added A2DP support. That's one down. | 18:41 |
| trevarthan | gogol: If by "works", you mean having to set up a new direct access account on the asterisk server, then yeah, I guess. But that's a horrible way to do it. | 18:42 |
| trevarthan | I don't want my asterisk server accessible from gizmo. | 18:42 |
| gogol | oh | 18:43 |
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| gogol | its all very new to me | 18:43 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: is trunk working for you? | 18:43 |
| sparrw | no | 18:43 |
| trevarthan | what's the exception kenneth? | 18:44 |
| trevarthan | sorry. REM reference. | 18:44 |
| sparrw | http://rafb.net/p/bdxUBl34.html | 18:44 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: run `./kagu-scanner --update-theme` to fix that. | 18:44 |
| trevarthan | your sqlite DB is too old. | 18:45 |
| sparrw | yeah, thats why i asked where the db was | 18:45 |
| sparrw | i was just gonna trash it | 18:45 |
| trevarthan | nah, just run that command. It's faster. | 18:45 |
| sparrw | im guessing postinst would have done that if i had installed properly? | 18:45 |
| trevarthan | if you were installing a deb, yes. But there are no debs for trunk. | 18:46 |
| script_ | sparrw: hey ... someone sent me log of this channel | 18:46 |
| script_ | sparrw: about problems with svn? | 18:46 |
| script_ | sparrw: resolved or not? | 18:46 |
| trevarthan | script_: that was me. still not resolved. | 18:46 |
| sparrw | resolved by uninstalling svn :-p | 18:46 |
| sparrw | it segfaulted | 18:46 |
| script_ | strange | 18:47 |
| sparrw | the log should have included a paste from strace? | 18:47 |
| sparrw | seems to be trying to load a lib that i dont have | 18:47 |
| script_ | sparrw: it does | 18:47 |
| sparrw | i have libsvn but nothing _serf | 18:47 |
| sparrw | libsvn_manydifferentstrings | 18:47 |
| script_ | sparrw: wait a minute | 18:47 |
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| gogol | maemo scratchbox in cygwin? terrible idea? i dont have a linux box over 500mhz... | 18:48 |
| trevarthan | gogol: use the scratchbox VMware image? | 18:48 |
| gogol | hmm | 18:49 |
| gogol | i apologize in advance for any incredibly stupid things i might bother you all with | 18:49 |
| sparrw | scratchbox vmware image... i need to get a copy of vmware, that might take a lot of hassle out of devin | 18:49 |
| sparrw | g | 18:49 |
| script_ | sparrw: well, i just tried that on my x86 - doesnt have that lib eighter | 18:49 |
| script_ | sparrw: and missing libs shouldn immetiatly cause a segfault | 18:50 |
| sparrw | i agree | 18:50 |
| sparrw | i can reinstall it and try some other things? | 18:50 |
| sparrw | other than the co i was trying | 18:50 |
| script_ | sparrw: what exactly did you type? | 18:51 |
| script_ | sparrw: or try msging me .. but i don't know if that works with registered-nick-foo ... | 18:51 |
| sparrw | svn co https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk | 18:51 |
| sparrw | svn co https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk kagu | 18:51 |
| sparrw | both of those | 18:52 |
| script_ | sparrw: wait, i'll do exactly the same on my 770 ... just need to find it | 18:52 |
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| sparrw | maybe their svn server uses some feature that is uncommon | 18:53 |
| sparrw | like https :) | 18:53 |
| trevarthan | I don't think it's uncommon. I use it all over the place. I admin an svn server at work too. | 18:54 |
| sparrw | maybe something less mundane | 18:55 |
| script_ | sparrw: ok, got it ... "accept temporarily" .. | 18:55 |
| sparrw | ahh, i accepted permanently | 18:55 |
| willcooke | kulve, I tried editing the .desktop file but it just ignored me. So, I renamed the osso_pdfviewer and evince binaries. seems to work! :) | 18:55 |
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| sparrw | which means i need to delete something :) | 18:55 |
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| script_ | sparrw: ok ... works till no space left on /tmp ;) | 18:56 |
| script_ | sparrw: now i'll try (p) | 18:56 |
| trevarthan | script_: why does "accept permanently" fail? Works for Me everywhere else. | 18:56 |
| script_ | sparrw: works too | 18:56 |
| script_ | trevarthan: works here, too ... | 18:56 |
| kulve | willcooke: Did you run update-desktop-database after editing? Sorry that I didn't remember to mention that.. | 18:56 |
| willcooke | kulve, I'll try that, thanks | 18:57 |
| trevarthan | script_: did you install from "Click to Install"? Or from apt-get? | 18:57 |
| sparrw | well, if permanently works for you then that doesnt help | 18:57 |
| script_ | trevarthan: should be no great difference - but i think i installed it by testing the "click .."-button | 18:57 |
| trevarthan | script_: maybe the deps are incomplete and sparrw messed it up by using apt-get. | 18:58 |
| sparrw | gogol: how do i do free call in for gizmo with ipkall? | 18:58 |
| script_ | well, sparrw should give it another try | 18:58 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: can you uninstall, then try via the "Click to Install" link? | 18:58 |
| sparrw | trevarthan: the .install just says repository = foo, package = subversion. no way thats different | 18:58 |
| sparrw | i could, but i wont. | 18:58 |
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| script_ | sparrw: are you using anything "special"? hacked up libc, kernel, or els | 18:59 |
| sparrw | busybox with wget/telnet/etc | 18:59 |
| sparrw | nothing else | 18:59 |
| script_ | ok | 19:00 |
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| trevarthan | script: maybe you've got something outside the deps installed that sparrw needs? | 19:00 |
| trevarthan | Are you two running the same version of IT OS? | 19:00 |
| gogol | you use ipkall --> fwd --> gizmo account | 19:00 |
| gogol | sparrw: ^ | 19:01 |
| sparrw | whats the format of the gizmo acct? | 19:01 |
| gogol | fwd is a free sip service too | 19:01 |
| gogol | ? | 19:01 |
| script | trevarthan: how to figure out relase number? | 19:01 |
| script | its kernel 2.6.16.27-omap1, that what i know :) | 19:01 |
| trevarthan | Tools -> Control Panel -> About (I think) | 19:01 |
| script | i just a got an ssh-session, sorry | 19:02 |
| sparrw | gogol: this might be getting too complex foor me | 19:02 |
| script | $ cat /etc/osso_software_version | 19:02 |
| script | NOKIA770_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_MR0 | 19:02 |
| trevarthan | script: lol. remoting into a 770 from elsewhere. That's hilarious. | 19:02 |
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| willcooke | kulve, That worked! Thanks a lot. | 19:03 |
| kulve | willcooke: np :) | 19:03 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: can you run that command? | 19:03 |
| sparrw | NOKIA770_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_MR0 | 19:04 |
| sparrw | \ | 19:04 |
| gogol | sparrw: you get a free sip account with http://freeworlddialup.com. then you set up the ipkall number with that acount's sip number. Then you set up FWD to forward all calls to your gizmo 1747*** number. make sense? | 19:04 |
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| script | exactly the same ... | 19:04 |
| sparrw | gogol: ok | 19:04 |
| gogol | :S | 19:04 |
| trevarthan | Only thing I can think of is for script to flash his firmware and see if he gets the same error as sparrw when doing a fresh install. Harsh though. | 19:05 |
| script | trevarthan: doesn | 19:05 |
| script | 't sound great ;) | 19:06 |
| trevarthan | yeah. no kidding | 19:06 |
| derf | I remote into my N800 all the time. | 19:06 |
| sparrw | it could just as easily be something extra that i have | 19:06 |
| trevarthan | yup | 19:06 |
| gogol | is user javascript not functional in 770's version of opera? | 19:06 |
| script | there are not many people using this svn port - but i know of a couple who have no problems | 19:06 |
| derf | I get really annoyed with all the install scripts that pop up a dialog asking you which folder to install something in... on the N800's display, not on my own X server. | 19:07 |
| sparrw | gogol: i cant find a place in the fwd setup to forward to gizmo? | 19:07 |
| script | derf: thats right ;) | 19:08 |
| gogol | sparrw: look in the 'extra features' tab | 19:08 |
| script | derf: in fact it's just a the maemo-select-menu-location script | 19:09 |
| gogol | sparrw: "Permanent Forwarding NumberChoosing this feature causes all calls to your fwd number to be directed to the supplied number (URI) and simultaneously to any phones online with FWD." | 19:09 |
| derf | script: Interseting. I never investigated. Yet antoher thing to replace after a re-flash, I guess. | 19:10 |
| sparrw | sip://747xxxxxxx@fwd.pulver.com ? | 19:10 |
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| gogol | sparrw: and you put something like "sip:1747blahblah" | 19:10 |
| gogol | yeah yeah | 19:10 |
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| gogol | no no actually | 19:11 |
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| gogol | sparrw: sip:17475551212@proxy01.sipphone.com | 19:11 |
| script | sparrw: i'm sorry i couldn't help you - but the strace didn't tell that much | 19:11 |
| script | sparrw: if the package is that important you should maybe try gdb | 19:12 |
| sparrw | script: i probably will | 19:13 |
| script | sparrw: ok, you have my email - so please keep me informed | 19:13 |
| script | got to leave now, bye | 19:13 |
| trevarthan | thanks for the help script. | 19:13 |
| script | np | 19:13 |
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| sparrw | gogol: ok, waiting for my ipkall number to activate... | 19:18 |
| sparrw | i wish there was a straight SIP client for the 770 | 19:18 |
| sparrw | wish... | 19:18 |
| gogol | how is gizmo not precisely? | 19:18 |
| sparrw | its got too many IM features :) | 19:19 |
| sparrw | and its proprietary | 19:19 |
| gogol | aye see | 19:19 |
| sparrw | i wish there was a FOSS straight SIP client for the 770 | 19:19 |
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| gogol | Configuring a Hardware Adapter | 19:20 |
| gogol | Any SIP compatible piece of hardware should be compatible with the Gizmo service. However, we do not provide support for those other than those that we have sold in the past. | 19:20 |
| gogol | To configure a device you need the following information: | 19:21 |
| gogol | SIP Proxy: proxy01.sipphone.com:5060 | 19:21 |
| gogol | STUN server: stun01.sipphone.com:3478 | 19:21 |
| gogol | Username: Your SIP number, found by dialing ** in Gizmo | 19:21 |
| gogol | Password: Your password | 19:21 |
| gogol | ipkall actually does take a full hour to start working. | 19:22 |
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| gogol | had to do it twice before i got it right :/ an full hour both times :/ | 19:22 |
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| sparrw | why cant ipkall forward directly to gizmo? | 19:23 |
| sparrw | because gizmo charges for incoming calls? | 19:23 |
| gogol | maybe it can? | 19:23 |
| gogol | i dont know. sip / voip is still so confusing to me. | 19:23 |
| gogol | no, gizmo doesnt charge for incoming...not by the minute anyhow. | 19:24 |
| gogol | they charge you for the pstn number | 19:24 |
| gogol | or is that ptsn | 19:24 |
| gogol | i cant figure out how im receiving ipkall calls in gizmo when theyre forwarded to FWD, and i am looking at that account now and see it is forwarding to gtalk2voip.com. it doesnt make any sense | 19:26 |
| sparrw | i remember years ago there was a web based phone app | 19:26 |
| sparrw | where you could make free outgoing calls | 19:26 |
| gogol | somehow they show up in the call log and i get voicemails in my inbox from gizmo.... | 19:26 |
| sparrw | from your browser to any phone in the USA | 19:26 |
| gogol | like a callback service? | 19:27 |
| gogol | i remember that one | 19:27 |
| sparrw | callback? no | 19:27 |
| sparrw | it was a direct call | 19:27 |
| gogol | o | 19:27 |
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| gogol | AHA | 19:29 |
| gogol | sparrw: you can forward ipkall directly to gizmo, that's precisely what i've done | 19:29 |
| gogol | fwd isn't even in the loop anymore. now it all makes sense | 19:30 |
| sparrw | grrr @ u :-p | 19:30 |
| gogol | sorry :D i hate when i sign up for accounts i dont need :D | 19:31 |
| sparrw | guess i wait again now | 19:31 |
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| gogol | agh :S | 19:32 |
| sparrw | disq: feedback... the vertical inertial volume control is really annoying | 19:32 |
| sparrw | be normal and do it with a slider like everyone else :-p | 19:32 |
| disq | convince trev :P | 19:33 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 19:52 |
| _Monkey | salut, b0unc3 | 19:52 |
| timeless | _monkey: literal yeah | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | timeless: yeah =is= there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) | 19:53 |
| timeless | _monkey: forget yeah | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot yeah | 19:53 |
| timeless | _monkey: yeah is <reply> | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 19:53 |
| timeless | _monkey literal link | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | timeless: link =is= at http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html | 19:53 |
| timeless | _monkey forget link | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | timeless: I forgot link | 19:53 |
| timeless | _monkey link is <reply> | 19:53 |
| _Monkey | OK, timeless. | 19:53 |
| timeless | trevarthan: you can get free certs from one of the reputable cert groups, check mozilla.public.crypto or something. | 19:53 |
| timeless | gogol: correct, no user js, sorry. | 19:54 |
| gogol | good to have it confirmed :) thx | 19:54 |
| * timeless investigates | 19:54 | |
| timeless | oh grumle | 19:54 |
| timeless | stupid package | 19:54 |
| timeless | wow, it's the only broken package in the whole set | 19:55 |
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| timeless | anyone here heard of liboil? | 19:58 |
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| gogol | sparrw: you inspired this :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=68999#post68999 | 20:00 |
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| Luria | or you could join the grandcentral thread | 20:02 |
| Luria | and get a number in 99% of area codes | 20:03 |
| `0660 | timeless, i have heard about it :) | 20:04 |
| `0660 | but that's about it | 20:04 |
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| timeless | `0660: i'm trying to figure out who's packaging it and why they're doing a bad jo | 20:10 |
| timeless | it's the only source package that's giving my indexer headaches | 20:10 |
| `0660 | :/ | 20:11 |
| timeless | actually, my indexer runs as the owner of the files, it's only the source viewer that's complaining | 20:12 |
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| kulve | lardman: damn, now I'm having problems reading from dspprmsrc and piping to my speex_enc.. It seems that the pcm_rec command gets unloaded very quickly after the start.. | 20:22 |
| kulve | cat /lib/dsp/modules/pcm_rec.cmd | 20:23 |
| kulve | SECTIONS { pcm_rec_mmap_buffer: align=0x10000 {} > EXTMEM4 /*must start at beginning of page */ pcm_rec_eap_bufs: align=0x04 {} > EXTMEM4 | 20:23 |
| kulve | } | 20:23 |
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| kulve | I wonder if I need to do something like that too.. | 20:24 |
| sparrw | Luria: how does grandcentral work | 20:25 |
| sparrw | ? | 20:25 |
| sparrw | oh yeah | 20:25 |
| sparrw | i remember that | 20:25 |
| sparrw | when they go non-beta ill be happy | 20:25 |
| kulve | lardman: dsp pcm src -> dsp pcm sink works just fine.. | 20:28 |
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| lardman | kulve: That's good to know | 20:28 |
| lardman | kulve: How much data (how long) were you passing? | 20:29 |
| lardman | how long in seconds that should have been | 20:30 |
| lardman | kulve: I'm going to reboot (from XP->Linux) and take a look at the tremor stuff, back in a few | 20:32 |
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| kulve | lardman|gone: from file to encoder to file, I tried ~10secs and no problems. But from pcm_rec it gets in read()=0 loop after one or two frames | 20:34 |
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| sparrw | just won a tablet pc at auction | 20:38 |
| sparrw | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1563040,00.asp | 20:38 |
| sparrw | that | 20:38 |
| sparrw | $200 | 20:38 |
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| lardman | cool | 20:39 |
| lardman | keyboard? | 20:39 |
| _Monkey | somebody said keyboard was important to have | 20:39 |
| lardman | I agree with that somebody | 20:39 |
| * timeless grumbles | 20:42 | |
| timeless | what's wrong with this picture: | 20:42 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/browser-ui/trunk/ | 20:42 |
| Luria | err... how do i enter control + key with the virtual keyboard? | 20:46 |
| timeless | you don't | 20:47 |
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| timeless | you can w/ xterminal because it has a menu item for it | 20:47 |
| timeless | well, i suppose, technically you could look into writing an alternate keyboard plugin thingy | 20:47 |
| Luria | yeah, i know | 20:47 |
| timeless | that may or may not be capable of doing it | 20:47 |
| timeless | i haven't spent enough time to check to see if the api is crippled or sufficiently flexible | 20:48 |
| florian | re | 20:48 |
| Luria | hmm | 20:48 |
| Luria | will look into it when sufficiently bored | 20:49 |
| timeless | that'd be great | 20:49 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 20:52 |
| cbx33 | does garage or anything have a bzr hosting area? | 20:52 |
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| timeless | Fetching external item into 'tapioca/trunk/tapioca-glib' | 20:56 |
| timeless | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/tapioca-glib' | 20:56 |
| timeless | svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/tapioca-glib': Could not resolve hostname `svn.sourceforge.net': Host not found (https://svn.sourceforge.net) | 20:56 |
| * timeless frowns | 20:56 | |
| * timeless curses | 20:57 | |
| timeless | ok, who here wants to pretend to speak svn for a bit? | 20:57 |
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| kulve | http://sourceforge.net/docs/E09 | 21:02 |
| kulve | Hostname: PROJECTNAME.svn.sourceforge.net (PROJECTNAME is the project's UNIX name) | 21:02 |
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| sparrw | gogol: well over an hour and no dice on ipkall starting to work :( | 21:05 |
| sparrw | lardman: keyboard on a tablet? wtf? | 21:05 |
| sparrw | timeless: are you using the openttd guy's xterm? | 21:06 |
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| kulve | lardman|gone: if you interested, patch of my current hack: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/tmp/speex-1.2beta2-dspgw.patch | 21:06 |
| kulve | lardman|gone: compile like: speex-1.2beta2/ti$ make -f Makefile.dspgw | 21:06 |
| sparrw | http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png | 21:06 |
| sparrw | i think his keyboard is awesome | 21:06 |
| kulve | the makefile has hardcoded ti dsp toolchain paths | 21:06 |
| sparrw | i wish i had it with rdesktop | 21:06 |
| sparrw | it can be moved, color inverted, and hidden down to just 3 buttons | 21:07 |
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| pupnik | ok you guys have to try kobo deluxe with the stylus | 21:40 |
| pupnik | it's a totally new gameplay in the world | 21:40 |
| cbx33 | kobo? | 21:40 |
| _Monkey | kobo is currently called Kobo Deluxe - an enhanced version of Akira Higuchi's game XKobo - a simple yet addictive space shoot-em-up/puzzle game - homepage: http://www.olofson.net/kobodl and http://pupnik.de/kobodl.html for the nokia version | 21:40 |
| pupnik | get up to level 5 and you'll see what i mean | 21:40 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, what's that? | 21:41 |
| pupnik | i just spent an afternoon in the park playing it and attracted a crowd of kids | 21:41 |
| cbx33 | hahaha | 21:41 |
| cbx33 | really? | 21:41 |
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| cbx33 | oh btw the virtual guitar has taken on leaps and bounds | 21:42 |
| pupnik | well i had the volume up | 21:42 |
| pupnik | what guitar | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | my n800 app I'm working on | 21:42 |
| pupnik | sweet | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | if you wanna try it on a normal machine | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | http://progbox.co.uk/samples/ | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | you'll need guitar3.py | 21:43 |
| cbx33 | and the tar.gz | 21:43 |
| pupnik | ok got it bookmarked | 21:43 |
| cbx33 | still has a long way to go | 21:43 |
| cbx33 | but you can play any chord | 21:43 |
| pupnik | awesome | 21:43 |
| pupnik | i wanna do a simple 4-8 track pattern based recorder to sketch song ideas | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | well this is why i did this | 21:44 |
| pupnik | will look at it | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | as i compose sometimes | 21:44 |
| pupnik | you play guitar? | 21:44 |
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| cbx33 | yeh | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | and drums | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | and piano | 21:44 |
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| cbx33 | hehehe | 21:44 |
| pupnik | that's very cool | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, you run ubuntu? | 21:44 |
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| pupnik | no sidux - it's similar | 21:45 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 21:45 |
| pupnik | i used to do a lot of music | 21:45 |
| cbx33 | me too | 21:45 |
| cbx33 | i did the ubuntu login/logout sounds for feisty | 21:45 |
| cbx33 | :) | 21:45 |
| pupnik | nice | 21:46 |
| cbx33 | and i just managed to setup my stufio again | 21:46 |
| cbx33 | what do you play? | 21:46 |
| pupnik | the guy who made kobo is a nutcase - they made their own virtual synthesizer - all the game sounds are synthesized realtime when you start the app | 21:47 |
| pupnik | almost all. some samples left over | 21:47 |
| pupnik | that's what causes the 4 minute startup time | 21:47 |
| cbx33 | 4 minute startup time | 21:47 |
| cbx33 | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 21:47 |
| pupnik | i used to be a classical pianist | 21:47 |
| cbx33 | wow | 21:47 |
| cbx33 | awesome | 21:47 |
| cbx33 | you know Mike Oldfield? | 21:47 |
| pupnik | not good enough to make it a career | 21:47 |
| pupnik | of course | 21:48 |
| cbx33 | I used to compose stuff like that | 21:48 |
| pupnik | lets trade music sometime | 21:48 |
| cbx33 | but havn't done much for ages | 21:48 |
| cbx33 | sure | 21:48 |
| pupnik | the beginning of tubular bells is amazing | 21:49 |
| cbx33 | tubular bells II is the best | 21:49 |
| cbx33 | III is pretty good | 21:49 |
| cbx33 | top of the morning on III has some great piano | 21:49 |
| pupnik | i hate this random chat when it will be indexed for google | 21:50 |
| cbx33 | pm | 21:50 |
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| cbx33 | so kobo useable on the n800? | 21:51 |
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| melmoth | any idea how to create missing destination directory on the fly with gnome vfs xfer_uri ? | 21:53 |
| trevarthan | sparrw: I recreated the self signed cert, just for you man. | 21:55 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, howz battery life using kobo? | 21:57 |
| cbx33 | and does it work on the n800? | 21:57 |
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| pupnik | games don't really impact battery life | 21:59 |
| cbx33 | really? | 21:59 |
| cbx33 | does it run on the n800? | 21:59 |
| cbx33 | cos it's looks awesom | 21:59 |
| pupnik | runs fine | 21:59 |
| cbx33 | :D:D:D | 21:59 |
| cbx33 | just follow the instructions on your site eh? | 22:00 |
| pupnik | yes i don't have time to make it all menu happy and stuff | 22:01 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 22:01 |
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| pupnik | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/load-applet-runn/ | 22:02 |
| cbx33 | ahhh cool | 22:02 |
| pupnik | use load-applet-run to start the non-hildon games with a stylus click | 22:02 |
| pupnik | it can start any linux command - very useful | 22:02 |
| cbx33 | oooh nice | 22:03 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, so you run kobo from the command line usually?? but you use the load-applet-run to do it | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | both | 22:23 |
| cbx33 | cool | 22:24 |
| pupnik | have you tried it? | 22:25 |
| pupnik | the stylus action is insane | 22:25 |
| cbx33 | no | 22:25 |
| cbx33 | just about to go get my n800 | 22:25 |
| tso | that load applet, can it also show the processes running? | 22:25 |
| sp3000 | one of them has such ui iirc | 22:26 |
| tso | so its either or? you cant have both a run option and a show processes option? | 22:27 |
| sp3000 | dunno, haven't used them | 22:28 |
| gogol | sparr, still can't log in? | 22:28 |
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| gogol | whoops | 22:28 |
| gogol | gah, is there no easier way to ssh in? the only way i can keep the session from timing out is to constantly ping from the 770 | 22:29 |
| gogol | both with dropbear and openssh | 22:29 |
| disq | is it too late for me, if some girl says gstring and all i understand is GString from glib? | 22:30 |
| gogol | tried to run a http proxy on it, no luck. seems useless for being a server of any kind. | 22:30 |
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| trevarthan | disq: yes | 22:30 |
| gogol | and putty and winscp. :S | 22:33 |
| trevarthan | sp3000: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/52#preview | 22:33 |
| gogol | is that my network's fault or just usual behavior.... | 22:33 |
| tso | hmm, 770 didnt like me uninstalling that applet... | 22:34 |
| disq | trevarthan: i think i can produce the python code to do that | 22:34 |
| sp3000 | trevarthan: why, though? | 22:34 |
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| sp3000 | after all it generally does that fairly soon regardless | 22:35 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, does the no sound option prevent sound effects from loading? | 22:36 |
| cbx33 | and hence speed up startup time | 22:36 |
| cbx33 | ? | 22:36 |
| cbx33 | 4 minutes is a little while | 22:36 |
| trevarthan | sp3000: It's handy. Say you're in the car at night and the backlight is distracting you. push the button. | 22:37 |
| trevarthan | sp3000: or say you're listening to an audio book in bed, and you want to turn the screen off so it won't wake up your wife. push the button. | 22:37 |
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| trevarthan | disq: you can translate what I have in the ticket into python? Yeah, I could too. It just doesn't do what we need. | 22:38 |
| sp3000 | trevarthan: but it blanks on lock these days, no? (or was there a pref for that) | 22:38 |
| trevarthan | It does. But you don't want it locked. You just want it blanked. | 22:38 |
| sp3000 | meh, I never want it in a locking-wise unknown state when blanked | 22:39 |
| sp3000 | (so I set the lock when blank option) | 22:39 |
| trevarthan | I don't really care. :) I just want to know how to do it. | 22:39 |
| trevarthan | That was rude. I apologize. | 22:39 |
| * sp3000 didn't notice :) | 22:40 | |
| trevarthan | Anyway. Any idea how that might happen? I have no dsme docs, so I can't really do it without help. | 22:40 |
| * sp3000 directs some general curses in the direction of his phone that can send an sms with an unlocking key-maneuver, which is really convenient in the middle of the night | 22:41 | |
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| * gpd likes the updates in UKMP 1.6 | 22:42 | |
| sp3000 | trevarthan: no idea beyond that, sorry | 22:42 |
| sp3000 | put up a big black window :) | 22:42 |
| trevarthan | ah. ok. | 22:42 |
| trevarthan | Yeah, disq suggested that. Might actually work pretty well. | 22:43 |
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| sp3000 | I plucked the silent-locked-dim foo from mce-dev fwiw | 22:45 |
| sp3000 | but no blank-only there | 22:45 |
| * trevarthan wonders what the procedure might be to get that feature added to some upcoming firmware | 22:47 | |
| cbx33 | pupnik, you still around? | 22:48 |
| * pupnik just saw the iphone demo with the 5 year old | 22:48 | |
| pupnik | yeah | 22:48 |
| cbx33 | on that page you talk about the ctrl key | 22:48 |
| cbx33 | for firing | 22:48 |
| pupnik | i am beginning to understand the coolness of trev's work | 22:48 |
| pupnik | yeah use the ctrl key | 22:48 |
| pupnik | :P | 22:48 |
| cbx33 | what key is that on the n800? | 22:48 |
| pupnik | there is none :P | 22:49 |
| cbx33 | is there an extra key on the n770? | 22:49 |
| pupnik | either use bluethooth keyboard or stylus | 22:49 |
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| cbx33 | ahhhhh | 22:49 |
| * cbx33 doesn't have a bt keyboard yet | 22:49 | |
| cbx33 | ok | 22:49 |
| cbx33 | thanks dude | 22:49 |
| pupnik | stylus is madness | 22:49 |
| cbx33 | yup | 22:49 |
| disq | trevarthan: you send a mail to the dev guy (i think it was daniels for mce) then he says that he'll try to get it in the next release, but no promises, etc. i did request some features before | 22:49 |
| pupnik | get used to it - it's a totally new game | 22:49 |
| disq | trevarthan: (which included a mode, which locks the screen but keeps the hw keys working) | 22:50 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: the funny thing is that Kagu's UI was inspired by Canola and UKMP. I hadn't seen an iphone when I first designed it. | 22:53 |
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| pupnik | great stuff trevarthan - i am blind because im oldschool and can't see the use of better UIs | 22:54 |
| trevarthan | anyone know how I might get in touch with a dsme dev? | 22:54 |
| pupnik | but seeing the 5 year old kid with the iphone opened my eyes | 22:55 |
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| trevarthan | pupnik: got a link to that video? might be interesting | 23:02 |
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| pupnik | trevarthan: it's on marceleduardo's blog | 23:05 |
| pupnik | 5 year old has problems with normal cell phone - has no problems with iphone | 23:05 |
| pupnik | it's a good lesson | 23:05 |
| * Darksmurf hopes to get his 770 tomorrow... | 23:06 | |
| pupnik | Darksmurf: it's the bestest thing ever | 23:07 |
| pupnik | and you will get it for cheap - i am so jealous | 23:07 |
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| pupnik | the n770 (and i suppose the 800) rules | 23:08 |
| pupnik | they are the coolest things | 23:08 |
| Darksmurf | tonight I'm going to build my USB power injector. I've asked before..but has anyone here tried to put 5v on the power lines inside an UNpowered hub? Everything I see online says to use a powered hub, but I've got a very small unpowered hub, I don't see why the hub wouldn't just think the 5v was coming from the 770 and work 'normal'. | 23:08 |
| Darksmurf | pupnik you could always pickup a backup :-) | 23:08 |
| pupnik | my 770 has survived many drops onto concrete | 23:09 |
| Darksmurf | if the 770 is as cool as I think it is I may do just that. | 23:09 |
| Darksmurf | wow | 23:09 |
| pupnik | i believe it is powered by god or something | 23:09 |
| Darksmurf | then again it IS a nokia ;-) | 23:09 |
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| Darksmurf | 3xxx series phones are almost bullet proof | 23:09 |
| pupnik | i am sad some people have had problems - might be different production runs | 23:09 |
| * Darksmurf crosses fingers | 23:10 | |
| pupnik | use it constantly when you get it - return within the DOA period if you see any problems with hardware | 23:10 |
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| sparrw | the 770 is pretty damn tough | 23:12 |
| sparrw | i challenge an iphone owner to drop theirs any distance, and ill triple it | 23:12 |
| pupnik | it's beautiful - like military component | 23:12 |
| pupnik | it does not flex | 23:12 |
| Darksmurf | glad to hear it. I just an ATT blackjack... dropped it on concrete the next day :-( | 23:13 |
| pupnik | it is like a thing from an alien adcanved culture | 23:13 |
| Darksmurf | I just got* | 23:13 |
| pupnik | it's like the monolith discovered on the moon in 2001 | 23:13 |
| Darksmurf | lol | 23:13 |
| Darksmurf | whats the command to open it so I can see all the stars? | 23:14 |
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| pupnik | scratchbox /login | 23:14 |
| Darksmurf | lol | 23:14 |
| pupnik | Darksmurf: big list on my site of awesome stuff that probably is just a compile away from running on the 770 | 23:14 |
| pupnik | it's like candlyand... tons of cool things nobody has done yet | 23:15 |
| Darksmurf | url? | 23:16 |
| pupnik | pupnik.de/links.html | 23:16 |
| gogol | any way i could map ctrl-c to one of the hardware buttons in xterm? | 23:16 |
| pupnik | get adcanved xterm - i think it has the ctl thing onscreen | 23:17 |
| gogol | yah but it kills fullscreen mode:/ | 23:17 |
| gogol | or just uglifies it anyway | 23:17 |
| pupnik | you can install http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html and make any keymap you want | 23:18 |
| pupnik | with the xml file | 23:18 |
| gogol | hoo nice! | 23:19 |
| pupnik | running that xkbd breaks the menus though for some mappings | 23:19 |
| pupnik | it's a kludge | 23:19 |
| pupnik | but it's an alternative :) | 23:19 |
| pupnik | and it works with non-hildon apps like dosbox, freesci, scummvm | 23:20 |
| gogol | awesome, a keymap for the cli would be great! $, -, #, : should all go right up front IMO | 23:20 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.fig | 23:20 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif | 23:20 |
| gogol | swap out the comma and ! and such | 23:20 |
| gogol | n1! | 23:21 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: try porting wz2100 :) | 23:21 |
| pupnik | no gimme url | 23:21 |
| solmumaha | http://wz2100.net/ | 23:22 |
| solmumaha | don't think it has enough power though | 23:22 |
| pupnik | thanks - never saw that before | 23:23 |
| pupnik | trying now | 23:23 |
| Darksmurf | anyone here used a mouse w/ the 770? Do you actually see the mouse curser? I saw mention of development 770 still having a curser, but that was to be removed in production. | 23:23 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, no way | 23:23 |
| gogol | walking around with tcpdump in fullscreen mode = fun | 23:24 |
| gogol | http://i12.tinypic.com/4vn1cg5.png | 23:24 |
| Darksmurf | cbx33 I think he means he's trying the game..not on the 770. I'm downloading as well... | 23:24 |
| cbx33 | phew | 23:24 |
| cbx33 | I've played that a bit | 23:24 |
| cbx33 | phew | 23:25 |
| sparrw | gogol: no luck with ipkall. forum suggests i cancel and make a new account, so i did | 23:25 |
| gogol | ?? sparrw, weird | 23:25 |
| sparrw | speaking of the monolith... | 23:26 |
| sparrw | if someone made a portable that was 1x4x9... i would SO buy it | 23:26 |
| pupnik | warzone requires opengl | 23:27 |
| sparrw | in inches, call it .75x3x6.75, not a horrible size | 23:27 |
| pupnik | please write a letter to nokia demanding opengl in the next tablet | 23:27 |
| sparrw | opengl can run without hardware :) | 23:27 |
| sparrw | and... the 800's cpu can supposedly do some sort of 3d accel | 23:27 |
| pupnik | mesa is a joke - and forget it | 23:27 |
| pupnik | we need opengl | 23:28 |
| pupnik | you are challenging me to build a game that will be too slow? | 23:28 |
| pupnik | i will do it and laff at your face | 23:28 |
| pupnik | when the game is too slow | 23:29 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: oh? i remember it having a software renderer too | 23:29 |
| solmumaha | well.. too bad then | 23:29 |
| pupnik | configure: error: OpenGL is currently mandatory | 23:29 |
| pupnik | make: *** [config.status] Error 1 | 23:29 |
| pupnik | ok i will look if it can run without | 23:29 |
| pupnik | do you have info to compile it without 3d? | 23:30 |
| solmumaha | can't back that up with paperwork, no | 23:30 |
| solmumaha | but i think the original had it at least | 23:30 |
| pupnik | no it's a project for the next tablet | 23:30 |
| pupnik | or craig's successor to the gp2x | 23:31 |
| pupnik | if nokia shits on us and makes a new tablet without opengl and gaming controls | 23:31 |
| pupnik | look this is what should happen | 23:32 |
| pupnik | a next gen tablet with controls | 23:32 |
| pupnik | and omap 3430 with opengl 2.0 es with shaders | 23:33 |
| pupnik | then we can do hardcore 3d on it | 23:33 |
| pupnik | it nokia sticks a shotgun to their head and doesn't make a tablet that can play games | 23:34 |
| sparrw | clearwire.com does wimax internet. coverage in major cities. i want to put a wimax reciever and a WAP in my car, so ive got internet at my 770 anywhere i can 'reach' my car. | 23:34 |
| sparrw | what do you think? | 23:34 |
| pupnik | what is wimax | 23:34 |
| pupnik | this does not exist in europe | 23:34 |
| pupnik | does wimax require 10 watt pda radios? | 23:35 |
| sparrw | no | 23:35 |
| sparrw | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX | 23:36 |
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| dev | pupnik: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX | 23:36 |
| sparrw | :) | 23:36 |
| dev | sparrw: 1 point for you | 23:36 |
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| sparrw | Darksmurf: doing the power hack? | 23:42 |
| Darksmurf | yeah | 23:42 |
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| gogol | if there was an eazy way to get at the contents of the clipboard, downloading youtube vids would be a snap. | 23:44 |
| gogol | right-click copy link location, click a link in the menu, done. | 23:44 |
| sparrw | the iphone has a standalone youtube 'client' | 23:44 |
| gogol | bah | 23:44 |
| sparrw | thats a neat idea for us | 23:44 |
| gogol | ba(s)h! | 23:44 |
| sparrw | has anyone tried bookmarklets? | 23:45 |
| gogol | i have | 23:45 |
| gogol | no avail | 23:45 |
| sparrw | they dont work at all? | 23:45 |
| gogol | even tried putting them on a local .html page as href links | 23:45 |
| gogol | 'link type not supported' or somesuch | 23:46 |
| gogol | then i thought user javascript and greasemonkey scripts! but noooo | 23:46 |
| gogol | if i could just figure out clipboard contents with perl or bash.... | 23:47 |
| gogol | it could be two clicks with nothing extra to install but a tiny perl script and a link in the menus. | 23:48 |
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| cbx33 | nn all | 23:50 |
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